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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, it's Nicole and it's Ben and you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains granting content and material intend more

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<v Speaker 1>your audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>I controlled myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You controlled yourself, how so?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I wasn't all a true podcast crime. I just

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<v Speaker 2>said it like a normal person.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime you do that reminds me of like a car

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<v Speaker 1>going by the true Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, well done, Welcome to Wicked and Grim

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<v Speaker 2>in Happy New Year? Okay? Is this our Happy New

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<v Speaker 2>Year one? The first of the new year? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's only January third? Right now? Is we're recording?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yeah, it's twenty twenty two right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, shoot, I could have started.

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<v Speaker 1>With a Happy New Year, but she didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't. I missed it. I dropped the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>We could redo and I could just down this beer

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<v Speaker 1>and open another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, let's do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we? No forest alcoholism? Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at you? I'm drinking flavored water.

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<v Speaker 1>That's slightly disappointing. I know what that's like. Asponsible is

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. It's responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to drink more water.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, fair enough. I'm sure a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Mica is lapping up water over here. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys can hear it, clearly heard new Year's

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<v Speaker 1>resolution is to drink more water too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's very loud.

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<v Speaker 1>She is extremely loud. When she drinks, she makes a

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<v Speaker 1>giant mess water all over the floor. Yeah. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like living in a tiny home with Mika

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<v Speaker 1>creating puddles in our house that we step in.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's never quiet, never, never, never.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you have a New Year's resolution? We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>talked about New Year's resolutions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet in our house.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, yeah, you and I have not talked New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's resolution. Do we have New Year's resolutions going? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of posted some actually, and what were they,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I should probably know them?

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding, if their your own New Year's resolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't really do New Year's resolutions per se.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, almost at any time in the year, you should

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to improve or and stuff like. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it just has to be done at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And I was like, oh, well, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it in January, so I'll just wait till next fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, like restart whenever you want, right exactly. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of my thought, but I definitely want to be I

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<v Speaker 2>had to somebody will putting myself a bit more first,

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<v Speaker 2>because I overbooked myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Immensely for your business.

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<v Speaker 2>Photography, like.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is it really fucking is.

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<v Speaker 2>So to basically like schedule downtime a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>for for wah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good call. Good call. Mine is to hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>nurse my arm back to health so I can go

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<v Speaker 1>to the gym, right because for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I I have like ten and night it's like tennis

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<v Speaker 1>elbow like crazy in my arm. So I'm really hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to nurse that so I can go back to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Gym lift some weights.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can't even go back to the gym until.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah COVID because.

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<v Speaker 2>They're closed because of COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, life. Well, instead of going to the gym, how

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<v Speaker 1>about setting sail on the high seven seas today?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, because that's what we're doing in today's podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>So coming up, I've got some pretty gruesome stories coming

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<v Speaker 1>down the ye. So I thought you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>better mix in some not so gruesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Ones, right, We've been talking about that actually, so.

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<v Speaker 1>This is definitely a not so gruesome one. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an unsolved this is a mystery. This may very

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<v Speaker 1>well not even be a crime, but it could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>It's intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's set the scene, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I just got to say that was really fucking

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<v Speaker 1>smooth with my hood as I that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Only people can see what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I got it, my hoodie on. I just like,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, set the scene. I just flipped my

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<v Speaker 1>hood out. I'm perfectly landed over top of my headphones.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything like business time.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, it's business. It's business time, motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the seven season business time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so here we go. Imagine setting sail on that

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<v Speaker 1>open sea. Not today, though, go back in time a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go to the eighteen hundreds, talking wooden ship,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the Grand Masses, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's exploring the world, hauling cargo to places where the

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<v Speaker 1>residents have never seen such good from other nations. The

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<v Speaker 1>waves crash against the wooden hull of your ship as

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<v Speaker 1>you work long days in the in the sun, being

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<v Speaker 1>misted by the cool ocean water. Slowly the sun begins

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<v Speaker 1>to set on that horizon with nothing but water surrounding you,

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<v Speaker 1>or so you thought, until you spot something off in

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<v Speaker 1>the distance, another ship. Something isn't right, though it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just another ship per se. The ship is moving erratically

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<v Speaker 1>and in a very odd path. Your ship gets closer,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon you're able to see that the sails aren't set,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there are ropes dangling from the masses in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that you know it just shouldn't be. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>you notice that you don't see anyone manning the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a single person is on deck. No one's manning

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<v Speaker 1>the sale or even at the wheel. The ship is

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<v Speaker 1>drifting on its own. You and some of your crew

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<v Speaker 1>board the vessel to investigate, and you don't find a

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<v Speaker 1>single person left on board. The ship has lost its

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<v Speaker 1>crew somewhere, and somehow you thought you know. The thought

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<v Speaker 1>crosses your mind that as you scan the horizons for survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>is your ship destined to be abandoned as you're swallowed

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<v Speaker 1>by the sea, or is there someone or something out

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<v Speaker 1>there watching and waiting for their moment to do the

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<v Speaker 1>same to you on your ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the story of the ghost ship known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Mary Celeste.

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<v Speaker 2>See I've never heard of this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it well known?

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<v Speaker 1>You say in the ship commute Unity. It is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a large tale, let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, I think I've announced it on here that

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of will avoid ships.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you avoid ships?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would never go, like on a cruise ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this ship would could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean is scariest.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll swim in the woa. Yeah, I swim and

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<v Speaker 2>there I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Ish. Well, okay, I'm going to do a really quick

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<v Speaker 1>Google search here because this is something I actually should

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<v Speaker 1>have looked up, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>What percentage of the ocean is unexplored?

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<v Speaker 2>It's very high, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's ridiculous, ridiculously.

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<v Speaker 2>High, because that's so scary, like there's things living in

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<v Speaker 2>there that we don't even know what they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we're discovering new species like on the daily.

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<v Speaker 1>More than eighty percent of the oceans remain unexplored.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, yeah, no, I do like oceans. I love

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<v Speaker 2>being by the ocean, but it does like terrify the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I love being the ocean, I sure as hell don't

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<v Speaker 1>love being in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, like when we've gone away, we've gone snorkeling and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were okay with it. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're protected by like coral reefs and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're taking you to good areas and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>At least we think. Dun, dun, dude. Yeah, okay, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>snorkeling in like fifteen twenty feet of water is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different than being like two hundred plus feet

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<v Speaker 1>of water.

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<v Speaker 2>Could still happen. Oh fuck yeah, bud, And fifteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>feet Remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>One fish that scared the shit out of me and

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<v Speaker 1>Jamaica was following you, It was fucking following me. It

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<v Speaker 1>was okay, this little fucking fish it was I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>off on the story here. I'm sorry. This fish was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two and a half feet long. It was super skinny,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it probably weighed I don't know, three pounds

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<v Speaker 1>at best.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was small.

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<v Speaker 1>It was small, and it was kind of like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like a barracouted looking motherfucker. But it was not

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<v Speaker 1>a barracuda, but it looked like a barracuda. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was not a barracuda. Okay, and I think it had

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<v Speaker 1>if I recall correctly, I had five black dots down

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<v Speaker 1>its body. But this fucking thing was following me as

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<v Speaker 1>I was snarkling, and it was giving me the fucking stanky.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, what the fuck you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Curious?

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<v Speaker 1>Either that or it wanted to kick my ass one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. And I'm pretty sure this three pound

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<v Speaker 1>fish could have kicked me. Probably it was. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was mean mugging me, and it was doing that

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<v Speaker 1>for like a good ten to fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point I'm like, you know what, fuck this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out. So that shows how I am in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I think we're the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay. Anyways, So the first board

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<v Speaker 1>the Future Mary Celeste, or sorry, here we go. The

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<v Speaker 1>first board of the Future Mary Celeste, was laid in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty at the shipyard of Joshua DUIs in the

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<v Speaker 1>village of Spencer's Island on the shore of the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>of Fundy in Nova Scotia, Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know that place.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, never been there, but we know it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just rang a bell.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh yeah. The ship was constructed of

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<v Speaker 1>locally felled timber, classic for Canadian We have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very huge forest industry here and was what you'd

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<v Speaker 1>call a bricotine and that's known as a ship with

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<v Speaker 1>two masts. So the masks are the straight up parts

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<v Speaker 1>that hold the sales, right righte. She was And I

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<v Speaker 1>say she because it was a tradition and is to

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<v Speaker 1>consider ship's female, referring to them as she. Although it

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<v Speaker 1>may sound strange like referring to them as an odd

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<v Speaker 1>referring to an inanimate object as a she, Sorry, it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to like the idea of a female figure, such

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<v Speaker 1>as like a mother or a goddess guiding and protecting

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<v Speaker 1>the ship and cruse sort of thing. Okay, so it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a term of endearment, a praise if

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we do that with a few things. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem super abnormal to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well we do, and that's where it derives from.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So she was Carville built, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>hull planks were laid edge to edg edge to edge

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<v Speaker 1>and fastened to the frame rather than overlapping like shingles

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<v Speaker 1>like floor planks in your house, edge to edge, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how the outside of the hull was laid. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like forming a smooth, smooth surface, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Her construction was completed and she was officially launched on

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<v Speaker 1>May eighteenth, eighteen sixty one, given the name Amazon, and

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<v Speaker 1>registered at a nearby pasborrow on June tenth, eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>or eighteen sixty one. So she was not known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Mary Celeste just yet. She was known as the Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>So it only it took them on like a year

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<v Speaker 2>to build.

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<v Speaker 1>That, you know, I didn't compare the years. Yeah, about

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<v Speaker 1>a year, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Amazon was nineteen point three feet long nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine. I am going through airs.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, that's not very long.

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<v Speaker 1>Point three feet long, my apologies, twenty five point feet wide,

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<v Speaker 1>with a depth of eleven point seven feet and weighs

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<v Speaker 1>in at almost two hundred grossed tonnage.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. She was owned by a local concertorium of

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<v Speaker 1>nine people, and among the co owners was Robert McLean McLellan.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry McClellan, the ship's first ever captain, but certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>her last. H for her maiden voyage in June. On

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty one, the Amazon sets sail to the Five Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a rural community in Nova Scotia, Nova Scotia.

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<v Speaker 1>I am stumbling today. I am so sorry, beers k.

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<v Speaker 1>I have drank four SIPs of this one. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem I need to drink.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't blame it on that, right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>This community has like approximate population of about three hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's current or back then. I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume it's current. I didn't do my research on that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not too important to take the cargo of the

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<v Speaker 1>timber of timber for a passage across the Atlantic Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>to London. That's quite a journey, definitely is right across

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic now. After supervising the ships loading, Captain McClellan

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<v Speaker 1>began to fall ill. He is reported to have had

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<v Speaker 1>a bad fever, shortness of breath, and coughing a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the crew even to have reported seeing bits

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<v Speaker 1>of blood and mucus in the captain's handkerchief as he

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<v Speaker 1>barked orders to the crew between coughing fits. Oh no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his condition didn't get any better.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it got worse, So he doesn't even get

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<v Speaker 2>to really be like legit captain.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I mean technically he saw it's made and voyage begin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I mean, like I think that your the

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<v Speaker 2>voyage would be like them aotan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, for sure. All he managed to do was go

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<v Speaker 1>from Nova Scotia to Nova Scotia basically because he set

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<v Speaker 1>sail out to get the timber, and then after that

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<v Speaker 1>they return home in Spa Island rather than going ahead

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<v Speaker 1>with its delivery, and there once a return home. Captain

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<v Speaker 1>McClellan died.

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<v Speaker 2>On June nineteenth Boo, Yeah, that sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>This, however, is where the story really starts. This marked

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the bad luck that would fall upon

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<v Speaker 1>the ship, and for some the moment when Captain McClellan's

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<v Speaker 1>spirit imbued itself into the ship and cursing it forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so they think that he came back.

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<v Speaker 1>To haunt it. Some say there's no reports of a

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<v Speaker 1>haunting per se, but some said, yeah, like the ship

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<v Speaker 1>was cursed. Kind of huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, a man by the name of John Nutting Parker

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<v Speaker 1>took over as Captain Nutting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was like, how did you just say that?

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<v Speaker 1>I almost I tried to keep going, but then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had to.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I couldn't. I just couldn't. So a man by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of John Nutting Parker took over his captain

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<v Speaker 1>soon after and resumed the voyage to London, in the

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<v Speaker 1>course of which the Amazon encountered further misadventures. She collided

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<v Speaker 1>with fishing equipment and the narrows of Eastport, Maine, and

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<v Speaker 1>after leaving London, ran into and sank a brig in

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<v Speaker 1>the English Channel, literally colliding with another ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, this is the new captain. Yes, so that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like a good resume.

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<v Speaker 1>Three major mishaps on his maiden voyage. Yeah, definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>a good resume. Like Captain No No Geigers Now. Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Parker remained in command for two years, during which the

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon worked mainly in the West Indies trade. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three, Captain Parker was succeeded by Captain William Thompson,

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<v Speaker 1>who remained in command until eighteen sixty seven. These were

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<v Speaker 1>quiet years, apparently not a thing unusual happened in October

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen sixty seven at Cape Breton Island. The Amazon, However,

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<v Speaker 1>he was driven ashore in a storm, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>so badly damaged that her owners simply abandoned her as

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<v Speaker 1>a wreck. Seriously, Yeah, just now, fuck that, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out exactly. Oh my gosh, that was fucking weird. My

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<v Speaker 1>phone just started listening to us. What do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>it like talking to Google? It just started listening to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just started like showing the words we were talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fucking that. Thanks Google for listening to us. That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the literally everything I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's just creepy when it doesn't care to hide it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, yeah, I'm listening to you. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna fucking do about it? Anyways, So she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stay a wrec for long though, however. On October fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>she was acquired as a derelict, which essentially is a

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<v Speaker 1>legally illegal abandoned purchase.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they still have to purchase it though, Hey, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>why who are they giving the money to?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, think of it as like the bank sort of thing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Like it's a foreclosure.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost yeah, some kind of like that. I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>into two. It looked like it was a complicated thing

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<v Speaker 1>to look into. I'm like, fuck that, it's minor details,

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<v Speaker 1>that is yea. So someone by the name of Alexander McBean, McBean, McBean,

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<v Speaker 1>look at these names.

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<v Speaker 2>We love it.

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<v Speaker 1>He purchased it legally. Now, within a month, Alexander had

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<v Speaker 1>turned around and sold the wreck for a profit to

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<v Speaker 1>a local businessman, who in November of eighteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>sold it again to Richard W. Haynes, an American mariner

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<v Speaker 1>from New York. Now. Haynes paid a total of one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty dollars for the wreck, which is

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent approximately to fifty one thousand, seven hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>four dollars US dollars. Sorry, all this is US dollars today.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he spent eight hundred and twenty five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>restoring it, which is equivalent to two one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand, nine hundred and forty five US dollars. So

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<v Speaker 1>essentially he spent three hundred thousand dollars on this ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I felt like at first like he got

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<v Speaker 2>it for a pretty good price. I mean, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if it was completely trash, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean it is a wreck, so that's true. So he

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<v Speaker 1>made himself captain and in December of eighteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>registered her with the Collector of Customs in New York

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<v Speaker 1>as an American vessel under the new name Mary Celeste.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are with the Mary Celeste that we

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<v Speaker 1>know the ship. Then, Oh well, I totally just accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>changed fonts. Sorry, I don't know how I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was magic. Shit's weird today, guys. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not having any luck over They.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking curse of this ship. It's it's coming through this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>She brought this into our home.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I might have.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fucking this is creepy shit. It's like this

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<v Speaker 1>should have been a Halloween episode right here, our souls lessing.

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<v Speaker 1>My computer's doing fucking magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing else better happened or I'm out?

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<v Speaker 1>Really that easy? Sorry? Oh my gosh, Oh no, the

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<v Speaker 1>font's changing again. Peace. Okay, welcome to vick Ingram, where

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about stupid ship. Anyways. The ship then went

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<v Speaker 1>again through new ownership as the tails of its mishaps

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<v Speaker 1>and rumors of the curse followed it around. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>for many it wasn't anything more than a tail. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it went under a bit more of an upgrade with

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<v Speaker 1>its new purchaser. They enlarged her considerably. Her length is

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<v Speaker 1>increased to one hundred and three feet, her width was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five point seven feet, and her depth was sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>point two feet, and a second deck was also added.

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<v Speaker 2>That almost just seems like building an entirely new ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't understand how to just make a

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<v Speaker 1>ship longer, wider, and deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes no sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, sure, okay, yeah, that doesn't make because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like it's a house that you just like

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<v Speaker 2>add on to. Really, yeah, I just add on to

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<v Speaker 2>a boat like that, because it has to have like

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<v Speaker 2>certain curves and stuff, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no fucking clue. I am not a shipbuilder

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<v Speaker 1>by trade, nor am I a on tour. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you have?

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<v Speaker 2>Every other hobby under the sun?

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<v Speaker 1>I like doing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you should add this one to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I should welcome to Awaken a Graam where we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about true grand podcasts and build.

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<v Speaker 2>Ships today and next summern build a ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we need to get back on track here. We

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<v Speaker 1>we're off topic today a lot. On October twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy two, the ship's new owner was that of

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<v Speaker 1>James H. Winchester and her new captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs.

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<v Speaker 1>That name, I gotta say, I might be biasedle bit

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<v Speaker 1>because his name is Benjamin and I'm a ben But

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Spooner Briggs, that is a dope fucking name.

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<v Speaker 2>What's his last name? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>Briggs?

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<v Speaker 2>Briggs? Strong?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So. Briggs was born in Warream, Massachusetts, on April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, eighteen thirty five, one of five sons of

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<v Speaker 1>sea captain Nathan Briggs. All but one of the sons

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<v Speaker 1>went to sea, two becoming captains. His son Arthur was

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<v Speaker 1>born on September eighteen sixty five, and daughter Sophia Matilda

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<v Speaker 1>on October of eighteen seventy. Now, by the time of

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<v Speaker 1>Sophia's birth, Briggs had achieved a high standing within his profession. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>he considered retiring from retiring from the sea to go

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<v Speaker 1>on to business with his seafaring brother Oliver, who had

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<v Speaker 1>also grown tired of the wandering life. They did not

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<v Speaker 1>proceed with this project, though, but instead each invested in

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<v Speaker 1>their savings in a share of a ship, Oliver in

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<v Speaker 1>Julia A. Halleck and Benjamin investing in a share of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mary Celeste, so he was technically part owner of

429
00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>the ship. You're following, I definitely am following. You're just

430
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<v Speaker 1>like yawning and nodding.

431
00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:12.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just because it's late.

432
00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:13.759
<v Speaker 1>It is late.

433
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:16.720
<v Speaker 2>That's also wicked Ingram's style.

434
00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, last minute.

435
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>But that we at least we're always geting. We get

436
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.160
<v Speaker 2>them out right. That's mostly we didn't.

437
00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:29.839
<v Speaker 1>We do now. On October eighteen seventy two, Benjamin Benjamin

438
00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Briggs all right, I love that name, took command of

439
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<v Speaker 1>the Mary Celeste for her first voyage to Genova in Italy,

440
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>following her extensive New York refit. Joining him on the

441
00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.880
<v Speaker 1>journey was his wife and infant daughter, while his school

442
00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>age son was left at home with his grandmother. Now

443
00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Captain Briggs chose the crew for his voyage with care,

444
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.319
<v Speaker 1>and it included his first mate, Albert G. Richardson, who

445
00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.559
<v Speaker 1>is married to a niece of the Winchester, who owned

446
00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the vessel and had sailed under Briggs before. With no

447
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>other preparations needed. The ship began its fateful voyage on

448
00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:09.640
<v Speaker 1>November seventh, eighteen seventy two, sailing with a crew of

449
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>ten individuals, including Captain Benjamin and his family.

450
00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so that's ten people's including the wife and

451
00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>one kid.

452
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's Captain Benjamin Briggs, his wife and daughter, and

453
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<v Speaker 1>then seven crew members.

454
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting.

455
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ship battled heavy weather on its journey, and

456
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:35.920
<v Speaker 1>it carried seventeen hundred I think it's technically seventeen hundred

457
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and one, but seventeen hundred barrels of crude industrial alcohol

458
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.799
<v Speaker 1>as its shipment. It was December fifth, eighteen seventy two, however,

459
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that the ship was spotted on the open Sea, about

460
00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.599
<v Speaker 1>four hundred miles east of Azora's Island in the middle

461
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Atlantic Ocean by another ship by the British

462
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.359
<v Speaker 1>brig del Gratti.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so sorry, I need to get this straight on.

464
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Which day they left on November.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Seventh, and then they were found floating. The ship was

466
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:10.839
<v Speaker 2>found floating on December fifth. Yes, okay, I don't know why,

467
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 2>but I just needed to get that straight in mind.

468
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 1>You got it about a month, about a month.

469
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<v Speaker 2>A month, Okay, hold on, I have to also to

470
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.240
<v Speaker 2>say that'd be like so eerie, like to be in

471
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the freaking ocean and then you're coming

472
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 2>across this boat that just like doesn't look right and

473
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff like most like nightmare material.

474
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 1>That's fucking nightmare material for sure. Yeah, especially once we

475
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 1>get into theories here, you'll really start like couldn't imagine.

476
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But we got to get through the story first before

477
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>we get to those theories. The juicyness. So, when crew

478
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>members spotted the ship adrift in an aimless course with

479
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 1>the choppy sea, Captain David Moorehouse, who was the captain

480
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of the British brig the De Gratti, was taken aback

481
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<v Speaker 1>to discover the unguided vessel was the Mary Celeste, which

482
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 1>had left New York eight days before him and should

483
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 1>have already arrived in Genova, Italy. He quickly changed course

484
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:12.279
<v Speaker 1>to head over to see if it needed eight nice guy.

485
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Upon approach, they found the erratic motion of the boat

486
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>was because there was no one manning it. There was

487
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:21.039
<v Speaker 1>no one at the sails or the masts, no one

488
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>at the wheel or even on deck. The sails were

489
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>hung as if the crew simply stopped mid job and

490
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 1>never finished, so they were partially hung. There's also reports

491
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>of there being some damage to the sails and the mass,

492
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:36.799
<v Speaker 1>though how extensive it was I couldn't find.

493
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.200
<v Speaker 2>But that could just have been from the floating there.

494
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 1>For exact And there was definitely rough seas around this

495
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>time too, so it could have been unmanned sails and

496
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff not being tied down, flapping in the wind, ship

497
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>breaking right totally. So the reports that I could find,

498
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>though minimum didn't think it wasn't extensive damage, kind of

499
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>superficial stuff like a little bit of shit broken here

500
00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and there, Okay, because.

501
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.640
<v Speaker 2>They probably don't don't know how long it was really floating.

502
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh they demand, Oh they do, Okay, they.

503
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Do because all ships have a log, captain's log.

504
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

505
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, Yeah, we'll get into that. Though. Captain Morehouse sent

506
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>aboard a party to the ship below deck, the ship's

507
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>charts had been tossed about and some navigation equipment was missing.

508
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>The crewmen's belongings were still in their quarters, though the

509
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>ship's only lifeboat was also missing, and a frayed rope

510
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>dangled in the water behind the ship and one of

511
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>its two pumps in the hull of the boat had

512
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 1>been disassembled, so the pumps to like pump out water

513
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 1>that ship's taking board, because it's very normal, you know,

514
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of leak here and there, rain splashing

515
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 1>over that sort of stuff.

516
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sorry, that was gone.

517
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>One of the two pumps had been disassembled.

518
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

519
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and three and a half feet water was slashing

520
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>about in the bottom of the ship.

521
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

522
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 1>On top of all this, though the cargo of seventeen

523
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred barrels of alcohol was largely intact. There were six

524
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 1>months supply of food and water, but not a single

525
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 1>soul to consume it. Its log book shows nothing noted

526
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>of any disturbances or anything was out of line. Its

527
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.160
<v Speaker 1>last entry was also eleven days before being found.

528
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, that's a long time.

529
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That basically means that it had either been drifting

530
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>alone for those eleven days, or whatever happened had eleven

531
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>days to take place.

532
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Kay. And I also have to say too that it's

533
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>oh whoa, my train of thought got distracted there.

534
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>You good.

535
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I also feel like it's almost amazing that it got

536
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.640
<v Speaker 2>found or that someone crossed its path, because if it

537
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 2>had been just like, I don't know, go and drift

538
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 2>for like eleven days or however long or whatever. It

539
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 2>could never have been found, really.

540
00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>That's true. It would eventually have run a s and

541
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>would have eventually have been found, or it would have

542
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 1>eventually been capsized and never found exactly. Yeah. So it

543
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>is actually surprising, and it's very surprising that someone found

544
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>it on the open ocean like that. Yeah, so the

545
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>odds are slim, pretty slim. Now where am I at? Okay?

546
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 1>The de Gratti crewman split up with some of the

547
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>crew on its own ship, and some went over to

548
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the Mary Celest and sailed the ship some eight hundred

549
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>miers two miles to Gibraltar, where a British Vice Admiral

550
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 1>court convenced. That's a sentence and a half where a

551
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>British Vice admiral court convened a salvage hearing. There we go,

552
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 1>which is usually limited to determining whether the salvagers in

553
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 1>this case that a Gratti crewmen were entitled to payment

554
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>from the ships insurers, because insurance is very much a

555
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>thing here.

556
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm actually surprised. I mean, what would you do?

557
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I guess you'd have to bring it back. Eh.

558
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they split up and piloted both of the

559
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>ships ashore. Okay, but the Atturne General, however, in charge

560
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of the inquiry, Frederick solely Flood suspected mischief and potential

561
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 1>fraud and investigated accordingly. However, after more than three months,

562
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the court found no evidence of foul play.

563
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh like thought these people might.

564
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Have done something potentially.

565
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh that is interesting. I ever went there, but that.

566
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so there is no evidence but yeah. Anyways,

567
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Eventually the salvagers received a payment, but only one sixth

568
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>of the forty six thousand dollars, which is ship's cargo,

569
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 1>had been insured, suggesting that authorities were not entirely convinced.

570
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 1>That's the de Grotti crew were innocent.

571
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's just shit. Here, you're like almost doing a

572
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>good deed. Really, you could have just left it there

573
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>and just gone on your way, and here you brought

574
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>it to shore and they're like fuck you or something.

575
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Bad, or they really did do something bad. They could

576
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>have they could have. There is also reports of like

577
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 1>because they knew the captain had left New York eight

578
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 1>days before them. The captains knew each other. They're like,

579
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>he knew the course, he knew where he was going,

580
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So there is potential for premeditation there, just to be.

581
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Getting insurance money kind of thing, really would be or

582
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>unless there's bad blood.

583
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well forty six thousand dollars then to now.

584
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that what they got or do they get one

585
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>sixth of that?

586
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they got one six of it, But forty six

587
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars is what it was insured for.

588
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they probably thought they would have gone more

589
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>potentially too.

590
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, I'm looking up that in US dollars today,

591
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 1>see if I can find it. So that is approximately

592
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>one million dollars in insurance money.

593
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>So okay, that's a lot of money.

594
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 1>That's that's definitely enough to get some to me. I'm

595
00:30:58.359 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>sure to commit for all.

596
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so, actually, because I don't know when

597
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you're saying these amounts, it's kind of like whatever. But

598
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, you have to think about.

599
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Exactly time and yeah. So since then, though, the whereabouts

600
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>of the crew on board the Mary Celest has never

601
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 1>been discovered, and what happened to them can only be

602
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 1>up for speculation. Now Through the decades, any lack of

603
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 1>facts have only spurred speculation as to what might have

604
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>taken place in theories, of course, have surfaces surfaced, and

605
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>those theories range from mutiny to pirates to even sea monsters.

606
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, so I'm.

607
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 2>Not going to enjoy these theories.

608
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>If you are ready, let us get into some of

609
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>these theories. You good for it?

610
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm totally good.

611
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Before we do, though, I want to hear what you

612
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>have to think. What would have happened to the Mary

613
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>celest What do you got? What do you think?

614
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I guess my thought is that

615
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>it would be very easy to hide bodies in the ocean.

616
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like how many dead bodies have been hid

617
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in the ocean? Right?

618
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

619
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Count with a disgusting amount. So I would have to

620
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 2>say that I think it was definitely by someone just

621
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 2>doing because if it was like weather related or something like,

622
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that it would show more damage to the

623
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>boat or whatever. Right, I don't know that that meant.

624
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Now that you said a little bit more about that

625
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>other captain, I'm like, oh, because it would be so

626
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>easy for them to do that. It would be because

627
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 2>they're the ones bringing it back and stuff, and they

628
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>can stage everything.

629
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Right now, A little bit to add on to that

630
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I should have mentioned this already. Eight days. I did

631
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>say he was eight days ahead of the other ship, right,

632
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>eight days to catch up to a ship like that

633
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>like damn near impossible. Okay, So the fact that's kind

634
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of like assumed that that's not really a plausible assumption

635
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 1>that it was fraud, because the chances of that ship

636
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 1>being able to catch up being eight days behind is

637
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like, yeah, no, it's got to be like

638
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>if you catch up, that they would have had to

639
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>have fucked up their path.

640
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Where they may be thinking they'd crossed their pass when

641
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 2>they were coming home or going and coming home or something.

642
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, if they're coming home, they wouldn't have had their

643
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>their shipment would have been so more than likely it's

644
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>not insurance fraud. But that doesn't mean it's not possible.

645
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, my first thought wasn't what it wasn't then,

646
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>But let me hear these other theories and I'm going

647
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to guess again.

648
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let's start on the mutiny. Of course, this

649
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 1>could be anyone for any reason, but the most popular individual, well,

650
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>there are there are two. There is a fictional one.

651
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>There is a book written about this story. A fictional

652
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 1>book where a slave path boards the ship as part

653
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of the crew and offs everybody as part of a

654
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>revenge thing.

655
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 2>So, okay, I also don't think it's pirates. Just realize something.

656
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You don't think it's pirates.

657
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I think they would have taken everything exactly.

658
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we'll talk about that one gets pirates. There's

659
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.760
<v Speaker 1>another one that comes to mutiny, and we're talking about

660
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 1>our dear old Captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs. Now, see, was

661
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 1>a very religious and I mean very religious man. He

662
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>would spend most of his spare time reading the Bible,

663
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>memorizing passages, and even quoting verses to his crew when

664
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>he gave out orders. The theory goes that in some

665
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.639
<v Speaker 1>sort of sea sickness or madness, Briggs became delusional and

666
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 1>clung to his religion for that like life raft sort

667
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 1>of thing. Now, perhaps he saw his crew as demons

668
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>of some delusions, or maybe he thought he heard the

669
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>voice of angels. But for whatever divine reason he thought

670
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>he was doing, he slayed each and every one of

671
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>his crew members one by one and through their bodies overboard,

672
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>including his family. Then, not being able to man a

673
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 1>ship by himself, set off on the only lifeboat as

674
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>an escape and was lost at sea.

675
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, because you have actually I've heard of people

676
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>going a little bit looney on the yeah, on the

677
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 2>open water like that.

678
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Eh, definitely, it's a real thing.

679
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I just think not being in to

680
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>see land and stuff for so long it doesn't it

681
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 2>makes total sense.

682
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that kind of leads into another kind of

683
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a parallel theory with the mutiny, specifically because mutiny is

684
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 1>usually like being overthrowing the captain, so these kind of

685
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 1>are mutiny esque. But the real mutiny kind of theory

686
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>is some of the crew got into the alcohol. Now

687
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the alcohol is not for consumption, it's industrial use, like

688
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>fucking isopropo alcohol. Yeah, but you're sailing the seas, seeing

689
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the same fucking nine other faces all day and night.

690
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>You get in the same sort of sea sickness, the delusions.

691
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You want to fucking cut back a little bit and relax. So,

692
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, you and the other crew members crack open

693
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the casks down below. You start drinking some

694
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>industrial alcohol, even though it might make you go blind.

695
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh good, and for whatever reason you're drunken stupor you

696
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>think you know what we could man this ship. You

697
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 1>know how talk gets when you start drinking. So they

698
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>overthrow the captain. And now as you overthrow the captain

699
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>in mutiny, you are now forced to captain it yourself

700
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 1>with a crew who's not used to captain position, and

701
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't really know what they're doing. They realize they're

702
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>only option. They can't do this on their own. They

703
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>see land nearby because there were islands out in the area,

704
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and they hitch on the lifeboat and try to hit shore,

705
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>leaving the ship abandoned and they are lost at sea.

706
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So there's that theory as well. The actual mutiny theory interesting.

707
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, oh, man, I guess the weather could

708
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>have if there was any evidence though of like foul play,

709
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>like blood or anything, though, the weather could have wiped it.

710
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>The weather could have wiped it away. And this is

711
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.599
<v Speaker 1>very unlikely. I don't think someone would worry about this

712
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 1>back then, especially on the sea, if you're going to

713
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>abandon the ship. But there is potential for them washing

714
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it away, because I mean, you have eleven it was

715
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 1>found eleven days later. Who's to say someone didn't slay

716
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone in one day and stayed on there for another

717
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>five days before they took off right exactly, but more

718
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 1>than likely on a rough sea it would have been rain.

719
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It would have been you know, water splashing on board,

720
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>which probably would have washed away at least majority of

721
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>blood if it all took place on deck. So now

722
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.159
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get to the pirates. This is pretty simple, straightforward.

723
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you don't think it's pirates. Pirates simply

724
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>caught up with the ship, boarded it, killing everyone and

725
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>looted the ship. However, the problem with this go ahead.

726
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 2>They didn't loot.

727
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 1>They didn't loot. There is food, there was personal items,

728
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and there was good still on board. And this is

729
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty much just kind of moot.

730
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 2>This is it would have just been bear. They would

731
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 2>have taken everything like that.

732
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>This these are some terrible fucking pirates. If their pirates

733
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>looting this ship, that is true, We're going to take over.

734
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>What are you taking? Your lives and that lifeboat? Like?

735
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 2>What? Terrible?

736
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So no, this leads us to the sea monster's done,

737
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>dun done, this ship lost at sea? Now, how could

738
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this not be a theory? Honestly, sea monsters just saying, now,

739
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>imagine a colossal squid. Okay, see what that is.

740
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's kind is it kind of like from pirates

741
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 2>to the Caribbean. That's what I'm visioning, some sort of.

742
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Well that was technically that was the kraken technically, but

743
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>something like that. The kraken is potentially berthed from colossal squid.

744
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So you're you're in the right ballpark, but that one

745
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>was definitely way bigger. However, colossal squid can reach up

746
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to lengths of forty six feet.

747
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Holy heck. Okay, sorry, I do not like that visual. No,

748
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 2>that's terrifying and way up.

749
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>To at least eleven hundred pounds.

750
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. No, okay, ah, yeah, you're good. Yeah.

751
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Now, imagine the tentacles blasting from the water surface and

752
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 1>grabbing someone on the crew right in front of you,

753
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>someone you work with, getting just sucked into the ocean

754
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>from one of these tentacles. Worst of all, their tentacles

755
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>don't just have suction cups. Colossal squids also have barbs

756
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 1>that can hook deep into your thresh.

757
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, this is a real life thing.

758
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Colossal squid is a real life animal.

759
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy heck. Okay, this is why I'm afraid of the ocean.

760
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>There's very few specimens to have ever been found. But

761
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it is a real life animal. I hate that. Now,

762
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 1>as you run below deck trying to run from these tentacles,

763
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 1>the tentacles follow you as the creature climbs on board,

764
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>devouring anyone it can get a hold of them. Now,

765
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 1>it's said to a lot of deep sea creatures as

766
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a colossal squid is. A deep sea creature can go

767
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>for many times as up or sorry, I can go

768
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>to as many lengths of up to four years without eating.

769
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So imagine a creature who hasn't eaten four potential of

770
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>up to four years, coming to surface, clinging on the

771
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>ship and finding snacks. It is going to feast.

772
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, though, because I think that there would

773
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.719
<v Speaker 2>be areas in the ship that it couldn't get to.

774
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen octopus and squids? They can live,

775
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't have skeletons. They can squeeze into super tight places.

776
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Hey Ben, you also agree with that.

777
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Nope, definitely not. So it grabs a hold of you

778
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>as you try and hide. As you try and run,

779
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>whether you jump overboard or you try and hide on

780
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the ship, one of the ways is not better than

781
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the other, because you're doomed to either drowned or get

782
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 1>eaten one of the two, and eventually, as the squid

783
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>picks one of you off one by one, there is

784
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 1>no one left and it just simply returns to the ocean,

785
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>leaving a barren ship.

786
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Holy, that one is wild.

787
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh so, like the kraken and sea monsters are clearly

788
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a thing of fiction, But the colossal squid, like I said,

789
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 1>is in fact real and capable of devouring humans. It's

790
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 1>just a matter of what are the odds and is

791
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 1>it actually likely that this would be the scenario? No,

792
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>this is very unlikely. An attack on a ship like this,

793
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 1>but from a colossal squid has never actually been recorded,

794
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 1>And wouldn't.

795
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Know that those are tasty that humans are tasty snacks?

796
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if it tastes one, it's like lais

797
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>potato chips, but you can't just have uh So yeah,

798
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the sea monster theory, Though technically possible, very unlikely,

799
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>probably as unlikely as the horrendous pirates who don't know

800
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 1>how to loot now. Another theory states that the alcohol

801
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>on board could have been the problem, much like the mutiny,

802
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the crew drinking the alcohol causing the problem, This causing

803
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the problem, but in a little bit of a different way.

804
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Some leaks in the cask could have caused fumes, and

805
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 1>fumes like this locked in the hull of ship could

806
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>have caused one of two things, poisonous conditions on board

807
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 1>the ship and even worse, the potential for an explosion.

808
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>So upon discovering the potential hazard the fumes building up

809
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 1>in the hull, Captain Briggs called for an abandoned ship.

810
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 1>They all piled in the lifeboat and tethered to a

811
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>rope behind the ship, letting it air out with the

812
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.280
<v Speaker 1>potential of returning to the ship. Okay, okay, yeah, that

813
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>is until the rope that's holding your lifeboat attached to

814
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 1>the ship snaps and everyone has lost his sea because

815
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 1>they did find a frayed rope dragging in the ocean

816
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 1>behind the ship.

817
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's interesting.

818
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Actually, So that's a crazy one.

819
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>That really crazy.

820
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Now. The most plausible theory, however, is one from Anne McGregor,

821
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 1>who created the documentary The True Story of Mary Celeste.

822
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Where's this documentary?

823
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't get to watch it. I read a

824
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of articles on it, but I have not watched

825
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.599
<v Speaker 1>the documentary myself, so I know the gist of the

826
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>documentary without watching it. Okay, I want to watch it

827
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 1>though it seems pretty good. Now, using current charts from

828
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the time of the ship was at sea and logbooks

829
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>found you know, they discovered that Briggs was actually one

830
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty miles west of where he thought he was.

831
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 1>He was off course, probably because of an inaccurate chronometer.

832
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>By the captain's calculations, he should have cited Land three

833
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>days earlier than he actually did. Now, when I mean land,

834
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean land like London, I mean land is

835
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>some of the islands in the air, right, okay? Now.

836
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Notes on board also show that the day before he

837
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>reached the islands nearby, which is the Azara's Islands, Briggs

838
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 1>changed course and headed north for Santa Maria Islands, perhaps

839
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 1>seeking haven. So he did change course the night before

840
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the last entry on the ship's log, the Merry Celeste

841
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>again faced rough seas and winds more than thirty five knots.

842
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 1>It is also learned that in the ship's history that

843
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it is in its previous voyage the Marry Celeste had

844
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>carried coal, and that ship had recently been extensively refitted that.

845
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>We know of, right what does thirty five knots mean.

846
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 1>It's a measurement. Oh okay, okay, measurement of wind speed.

847
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure what that calculates out.

848
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>To, but yeah, is a rough sea.

849
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Coal dust and construction debris could have fouled the

850
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 1>ship's pump down below, meaning it would explain why the

851
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>pump was disassembled. They were trying to fix it. So

852
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>here we go with a pump unable to pump any

853
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 1>incoming water. Captain Briggs would not have known how much

854
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>seawater was in the ship's hull, it was too fully packed.

855
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.639
<v Speaker 1>All he knew was that there was a significant amount

856
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of water down there. They were down to one pump,

857
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 1>which potentially could not keep up to the influx of

858
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<v Speaker 1>water in the ship. Right at that point, Captain Briggs,

859
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.719
<v Speaker 1>having finally and belatedly seeing land, determined there was no

860
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 1>way that they could survive on board the ship. It

861
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>was going to sink potentially, so he made a judgment call,

862
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 1>issuing an order to abandon ship to head to the

863
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 1>nearby land, where again, when everyone compiled on the lifeboat,

864
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 1>they never made it to land, but they were lost

865
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>at sea, leaving the Marry Celeste unmanned.

866
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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

867
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is the last and the most significant theory

868
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>that we have, and that is a story of the

869
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Mary Celeste.

870
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

871
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 1>I think someone's got a text message bed ive that

872
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a very insignificant piece of evidence to me. But

873
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, that frayed rope in the back is

874
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 1>really leading me to say, you know what, there's a

875
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 1>good chance they tethered themselves, which they could have tethered

876
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 1>themselves to in the sinking ship scenario.

877
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>They totally could have.

878
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, so I'm not too sure. I don't think

879
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 1>it was any murderous rampage. I don't think it was

880
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>really dumb pirates or the unlikely sea monster. I do

881
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>think it was an abandoned ship for whatever hazard. And yeah,

882
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 1>I think Anne McGregor has most likely got the got it, got.

883
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.559
<v Speaker 2>It downpack that's the pump one.

884
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's she's done her research, she's looked at the logs,

885
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>she's looked at the ocean flow charts and everything, and

886
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I think she's got it.

887
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Because, Yeah, as you were first kind of talking, I

888
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.760
<v Speaker 2>thought that someone hiding on deck could have been quite

889
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a potential. But I also think if if it was

890
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a rampage thing, and I have killed everyone was murdered

891
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that they would have just been a shit show on deck,

892
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of things would be broken or like

893
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 2>knocked over or just like would look. I don't know,

894
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 2>so I'm thinking I'm thinking one of these last two.

895
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think most likely. I think if there was murder,

896
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 1>there would have been some blood found on.

897
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Board, yeah, like under deck or something.

898
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 1>Because if you're going to murder ten individuals or nine individuals,

899
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 1>if you are one of the crew members, if you're

900
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>going to murder that many people, you're not gonna be

901
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 1>able to do it all on an open deck. No,

902
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You're going to be getting them one by one in

903
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>nooks and crannies when they're down below, when they're in

904
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>their cabin, when they're alone. And that's going to be

905
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>areas where there's not blood being washed away by water

906
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>or rain. So I don't think there's any murder's rampage. Yeah,

907
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's sea monsters. I don't think there's pirates.

908
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was an abandoned ship.

909
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Scenario, which is so sad that they all decided to

910
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>abandon then die like oh.

911
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, potentially it could have been the fact that that

912
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 1>one captain from the other ship force them to abandon

913
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>ship and brought it in the ship in for himself.

914
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then remember he was he would never have

915
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 2>passed him. Yeah, so I don't know about that one either.

916
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Unless maybe what if he hired some fucking pirates being like, yo,

917
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>these guys are going to be out there. No, you know,

918
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 1>get him off ship. We'll take it in and we'll

919
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 1>get the insurance money and we'll split it.

920
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of sad that you'll just never know.

921
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I know, but that is the story.

922
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a thinker. You think a lot.

923
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a thinker, and if you think too much

924
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you might get thunk. I don't know if that means anything.

925
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 1>I just said it because I don't know.

926
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we'll put a post on Instagram. I'd love

927
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to hear what other people think one hundred percent.

928
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Let me let us hear what you have to say,

929
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 1>even if you have any theories we didn't discuss, or

930
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.679
<v Speaker 1>if you want to add to the conversation, let's hear

931
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 1>it in our socials. All the links are where.

932
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>They are on Instagram. I'm like, so terrible.

933
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks down below the description of this podcast description. Yeah,

934
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you can find her Instagram or Facebook, our website. You

935
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>can buy merch down this is why you do this,

936
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 1>And you can sign up for our patreon, be a patron,

937
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and if you really want to go, give Nicole some

938
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>words of encouragement. So maybe one day she can get

939
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>get some lists like I don't know, conversation out there,

940
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.639
<v Speaker 1>and then if I point to her and say where lists,

941
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>she can actually like get that courage and be like,

942
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I know where the lists. So it's down below on

943
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the description of this podcast.

944
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>The one problem that I don't know where they are

945
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 2>is because like that part of this podcast you do.

946
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I need my description, I know, but I've never had

947
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to like post a description and like upload it or anything,

948
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't come naturally to me that I just

949
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 2>know that shit's there.

950
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Well now you know it's in the description. Ah, now

951
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<v Speaker 1>I know, Now you know? All right, Well, thank you

952
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>guys for listening. Don't forget to like I said, check

953
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 1>out those things in the description below, our patreon, our

954
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.239
<v Speaker 1>merch hit us up on Facebook, Instagram. You can also

955
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<v Speaker 1>request different stories if you have ideas, let us know.

956
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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay wicked