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Speaker 3: George Hobbes, Welcome back truth seekers from around the world.
It's time for a rare Friday edition of the fact
Hunter podcast. As we record on this mid afternoon, it's
about three pm Eastern Time on this Friday, the thirteenth,
twenty twenty six. You know, every time I mark the
date on these podcasts, we're already halfway through February by
the time most of you hear this podcast. How are you.
I hope everybody's doing well. The snow is finally melting,
hopefully we can see the grass soon we have we'll
have temperatures nearing sixty next week, so we're excited for that.
And again, I hope everybody has a great weekend. Happy
Valentine's Day to all the ladies out there, and I
hope you have a great weekend. God bless you all.
Two housekeeping items before we get started today. Number one,
and I can't say much about this, but just take
what I say at its core. What's going on in
El Paso has nothing to do with the cartels. I
say again, what's going on in El Paso has absolutely
nothing to do with the car Tells. And that's all
I can say on that. Trust me with that. That
is a cover story, one hundred percent. One more housekeeping
item that I need to address a listener messaged me about.
And again I'm not poking at somebody. Everybody's entitled to
their own thoughts, their own beliefs.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: We have one and we have ten thousand denominations. Of course,
I say we have one Bible. We have many, many, many, many,
many many versions of it. You guys know, I'm a
King James guy. But I'm just going to read what
I posted on my substack. Again, Please subscribe to my substack,
The Fact Hunter. I'm starting a Sunday Morning series. I
have another pretty neat anecdote and these anecdotes come from
things that I experience or have heard and kind of
put that on Sunday mornings for you to reflect on.
But again, regarding what I said the other night on
this past Tuesday's podcast about speaking in tongues as heresy,
after playing that Poula white clip, I should have clarified it.
She was speaking gibberish. She was not speaking in tongues.
Just because my goes. You can't say you're speaking and
she's you know, she's just one of these Kenneth Copeland
Joel type of folks, right and less should I be
questioning people's heart? Just my observation. It's the way I feel.
She was not speaking in tongues. Now, here's the catch.
When we go back to the Biblical text itself, tongues
are presented as recognizable human languages rather than this pardon me,
unintelligible speech. You look at X two. The crowd responded,
how hear we every man in our own tongue wherein
we were born, saying that we understand the native language. Right,
And this shows that communication was understandable, it was verifiable,
and it served the purpose of proclaiming the gospel of
cross language barriers. Right. If God is going to speak
through your pastor, he's not going to have your pastor
speak in some gibberish that no one can understand. Even
Paul would later emphasize that the same principle of clarity
and edification and worship, right, except you utter by the
tongue words easy to be understood. How shall it be
known what is spoken? When my friend and I go
out witnessing. You know, we don't speak like we're some
PhD from you know, insert Bible college here. We speak
very plainly, very simply right. We're not breaking down Exodus.
We are simply sharing the Gospel, and that's really what
it's about. And you don't want to create any language
barriers whatsoever. And again, if you take all that together, right,
these passages indicate that the early Church did not treat
spiritual expression as chaotic or meaningless sound, but it's something intelligible, disciplined,
and centered on building up the body of Christ. And
again that gibberish that came out of her at I
think it was like the forty seven second mark of
I'm trying to find my sorry here, I don't want
to blow there it is. I don't want to blow
your ears out when I when I play this. But
this is her again. If you missed it.
Speaker 5: Heavena.
Speaker 3: Right, that's gibberish. That's exactly what that is. And hopefully
I had that turned down enough. Still getting used to
this new mixer, but there you go. And again I'm
not here to get into divisiveness or that's just my belief.
I wanted to clarify my stance. All right, we have
all the housekeeping out of the way. You know, it's
about three o'clock. I have to be somewhere a fundraiser
at five point thirty. I wanted to do this podcast,
but I also when I was done the podcast, I
wanted to kind of do a short play along of
Pastor Chuck Baldwin's latest I think it's his latest from
February eighth. The Evangelica is Take two Evangelicals Divine litmus Test,
and he speaks on a lot of the struggles that
I have. If we have time, I'll do it. If not,
sometime between now and Monday, I'll do my best to
do it. I'm not going to play the whole thing
because I don't want to take away from him. And
I'll even insert the link if you want to give.
So I tithe to Pastor Baldwin, I tithe to Pastor Fannin,
I tithe to my local church, and then of course
I tithe to my home church, the one I'm actually attending.
It's important, and that's not George patting himself on the back.
That's just as you get older and wiser, you want
to invest in things that you believe are making positive change.
It's different when you get older. Right, twenty years ago,
George would have never dreamed of doing that. That just
comes with old age and wisdom, and you know, it
is what it is. It's no way share or for
me patting myself on the back. So today I want
to talk about Thermo Fisher Scientific. Well why is that? Well, again,
as one of our listeners on the other podcast reminded
us of, and we've spoke about it before, the catastrophic
contagion that goes back to October twenty third, you know,
a couple of years ago. I think it was twenty
twenty two, you know, very much like what we saw
event two to one and these other type of events
that they do every couple of years. Now, the issue
here is Fisher. I'm sorry. Thermo Fisher Scientific is a
huge conglomerate and I'm sure you'll be shocked to know
that their largest shareholders are Vanguard, black Rock, and I
think it's Black Street or State Street. It's the same
three and every big corporation. They are about every other
month absorbing someone who is in the business of laboratory equipment, biotechnology, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, healthcare,
and this is one of the biggest Fortune five hundred
companies in the world. Their twenty twenty four annual revenue
was closing in on fifty billion dollars. Now we know
that Peiser at its peak in twenty twenty one, there
was one quarter where they I think they pushed thirty
to forty billion dollars. But again that was much of
that was government money. So now we have this company
that is very much under the wire. Right, how many
times are you at the water cooler and talking about
thermo fish or scientific You're not something to keep an
eye on. And that's where I'm going to start with today. Right,
you have to understand that power rarely announces itself openly,
and I think to a certain extent when you see
the Bill Gates and things like that, I think that's
their job on the world stage is to take that attention. Right,
just like you know, insert professional wrestler who was the
big heel pro wrestler in the eighties and nineties. Right,
do you remember during Desert Storm, Sergeant Slaughter was.
Speaker 5: A bad guy.
Speaker 3: It was his job. His family, his wife and children
were actually threatened, but that was his job to be
a heel, and I think that many people on the
world stage, right, you play the good guy, you play
the bad guy. I truly believe that. But these type
of power, you know, this aggression, it doesn't arrive through
declarations or slogans. It really manifests through infrastructure, through supply chains,
which I talk about often here, and they consolidate at
a level of capability that most people don't ever think
to examine because, and this goes to my substack article
from the other day, we're too busy concentrating on what
the headline of the day is. Right, somebody's mother's missing,
something's going on in Minnesota. And I'm not trivializing the
human side of that. I'm just saying there's a reason
they want us focused on that, right, And that brings
us into what I want to talk about today. You know,
when we have these quote unquote biological crises, right, whether
natural or let's say engineered. Okay, some people say mishandled right,
the bat soup in Wuhan, Right, the public conversation tends
to center on governments, politicians, the health agencies. Right, But
we saw this in COVID. Beneath these layers sits an
industrial backbone that makes you know, this response mechanism possible
in the first place. These testing platforms, genomic sequencing tools,
chemical reagents, manufacturing pipelines, clinical research logistics. I mean it
goes on and on at pharmaceuticals. Right. These are owned, operated,
and expanded by corporations whose reach extends far beyond what
most citizens realize. Now Thermo Fisher Scientific occupies a significant
position inside that backbone. Now here's the funny thing. I
was researching for another podcast, yes this podcast, but another episode,
because you know, once or twice a year we do
the COVID retrospect and I kept seeing many of these
companies played a part in twenty two, but they had
since been absorbed by Thermo Fisher, and I thought, huh, well,
I better take a look at them. Right when you
have tens of billions of dollars in annual revenue and
now you're creating this integrated network of subsidiaries and we're
talking about applied biosystems in vitrogen, fish or scientific distribution.
My goodness. Now they have pathyon pharmaceutical manufacturing, they have
PPD clinical trial services. The company spans every stage of
the biomedical life cycle. From laboratory research all the way
through production and deployment. So that type of integration means
their technologies and their materials are embedded across hospitals, universities,
private laboratories. They've got their hands in core, which is
a man that is a rabbit hole and a half. Right,
the Finger Lakes, the Biden kid with the Finger Lake tattoos, Racine,
the Great Lakes connection. That is a deep, deep rabbit hole.
And again, I think these rabbit holes go so much
deeper than just plandemics scamdemics. You know, they want to
be gods, they want to live forever, and some of
the things that they do behind the scenes are so nefarious.
Some people can't even fathom the evil that goes on
in this world. And again, we not wrestle with the flesh,
but at the same time, we have to be very
aware of what's going on around. Right, So here's the
thing j just goveex And it's hard to believe it's
been six years. Next month March will be six years
since they kick this thing off. I remember doing radio
broadcasts in twenty twenty one, right pastors getting arrested then
over and over. It's incredible but thermofissure and its conglomerates.
During the COVID era, their participation in scaling PCR, testing capacity,
supporting variant identification programs, and contributing to pharmaceutical production infrastructure
was publicly documented and widely acknowledged.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: None of that, and I mean none of that is
a secret. The question worth asking is not whether or
not they were a part of it. It's what systematic
incentives are created when emergency driven demand kind of intersects
with corporations that are positioned across the entire chain. We
know that crisis makes people rich, Crisis justifies surveillance, Crisis
accelerates regulatory bypass. Right when there's a.
Speaker 5: State of emergency.
Speaker 3: How many times have I said this on the podcast
No Bid Contracts, All their buddies get that money? Right,
and again, crisis normalizes dependency on centralized technological frameworks. Those
patterns predate our generation, and they repeat across political systems
regardless of ideology because they are structural rather than partisan.
Scripture speaks to discernment and environment shaped by concentrated influence. Right,
and it should remind believers that vigilance is not optional. Right.
You look at first Peter, verse five. I'm sorry, Chapter five,
verse eight. My notes here, I got notes all over
the place. It says, be sober, be vigilant because your adversary,
the devil, as a roaring lion. Roaring lion walketh about,
seeking whom he may devour. Okay, one, Peter, Chapter five,
verse eight, Be sober, be vigilant because your adversary, the devil,
not your adversary, the democrat, as a roaring lion, walketh
about seeking whom he may devour. Right, And that's lack
of knowledge can lead to you being devoured. That vigilance
applies spiritually, right most importantly, but also morally, also intellectually,
because intellect without morals is empty. It truly is. And
when you exact and institutions that operate at the intersection
of health data identity control systems, that's not tenfoil hat
wearing propaganda. What it is and what you should tell
your fellow man who is mocking you is it's an
act of responsibility when approached with careful attention to verifiable reality. Okay.
I am not trying to push sensationalism. I'm not here
to say that there's going to be another new scamdemic
next month. What I'm saying is that these type of corporations,
when these conglomerates happen. You know, that was supposed to
be the great role of this American government to ensure
monopolies don't happen. Yet we have our vanguards, we have Amazon,
we have you know, we have conglomerates, and in twenty twenty,
the backbone of this country, small business were told that
weren't important. Okay, so let's continue one. We're going to
talk a little bit about structural reach and vertical integration.
So to understand influence in any modern industrial sector, particularly
and most importantly that is tied to I guess you
could call biological science, right, and what they call public
health response, it's necessary to move beyond the brand names,
and you have to look at the architecture, the hierarchy, right,
because these large corporations rarely operate as single entities. Right.
They expand through acquisitions, they absorb technologies. You know, you
see people all the time, they create something that is awesome,
and you know, somebody writes a check. And again, when
you control everything and you're writing checks, right, reserve notes
that don't really mean anything. You will you know, Just
think about it. If you the listener right now, came
up with something similar to YouTube twenty years ago and
Google knocks on your door and hands you a check
for two point four billion dollars, narry few of you,
including myself, would be hard pressed to say no, thank
you and closed the door. Right, it's you know, and
who knows how much you're making. But you get the
point of what I'm trying to get to is they
don't come up with every single original idea, but when
somebody does, they either a knock them off and steal
it from them hashtag Stanley Meyer or to keep it
off market, if you will, right.
Speaker 4: Or B.
Speaker 3: You know fractional lending, the Federal Reserve and the black
ops and usery. You know that they have this wealth
of ways of money it's stashed away and that they
just buy people off and then they use it for
their nefarious means. Right. Thermo fish or Scientific represents one
of the clearest examples of that model. In contemporary biotechnology infrastructure.
At the research and lab level, you have divisions such
as ThermoScientific, you have in vitrogen all of that which
is they produce agents, instrumentation genomic tools that is used
in molecular biology, and no, in no way, shape or
form am I. You know, I understand how these things works,
but I'm not a subject matter expert. But you don't
need to be. You just need to do your research
right and to understand what the endgame is for doing
this consolidation. It's a big deal, right and on and
on sequence, seeing diagnostic workflows and these products, they formed
the foundational layer of scientific experimentation medical testing, meaning that
they are present, they are in place long before a
public crisis ever emerges. Right event to a one. There
was another one a few years before that, and it
slipped my mind, one that we don't talk about, and
that had some numerical value as well. If I think
of it, I'll mention it. But you know, they occupy
the space where the data begins, where the samples are processed,
and when once company tools are embedded across thousands of labs,
their presence just becomes normalized. Right. They're assumed rather than examined,
and that goes for so many things in our walk
of life that we need to pull back and to
examine things that have become normalities. We need to re
examine everything. You move further up the chain, you have
applied biosystems, right, They have long supported genetic analysis platforms
utilized in clinical diagnostics. And this is the tier where
raw biological information transitions, you know, go into these usable
data sets, where patterns are identified in all this other nonsense. So,
in this technological age that is increasingly defined by what data,
everything is about data. The ownership and distribution of tools
that generates that data carries implications that extend well beyond
just science, right, and we'll talk about that. But these
distribution networks also deserve attention because infant structure influences not
only about production but about supply reliability. Fisher Scientific functions
as a major channel through which laboratories, hospitals, and other
institutions source equipment and materials. Now, during periods of heightened
demand and restricted logistics, the entities controlling supply pathways they
often gain leverage that transcends ordinary market dynamics. So again,
this isn't unique just to biotechnology. I should mention that
it's found in energy, most certainly agriculture, and most certainly communications.
Right now, The difference is that the materials being distributed
relate directly to biological monitoring and response capability. Now, the
upper layers of integration become even more significant when examining
pharmaceutical development and clinical execution. Through acquisitions such as Patheon PPD.
You know, thermofissure expanded into contract drug manufacturing and that
is you know, some serious bank breaking money right the
clinical trial management, you know, getting involved with regulatory pathway navigation.
So you know, that places the corporation within stages of
development that move beyond analysis into implementation, meaning that they
are positioned not only where diagnostics apart me diagnostics occur,
but also where treatments are produced and tested. So it
really is illustrates this concentration of capability and that directly
links to influence, right, particularly when emergencies shift, you know,
dependence towards what the same thing we saw in twenty
twenty centralized providers, Piser, Piser, Pfizer, right, Johnson and Johnson,
Johnson and Johnson. And that's again, that's what you have
to understand that great wealth transfer just in that we
can call it eighteen months, let's call it from March
of twenty to November of twenty one, right, February of
twenty two I believe, if memory serves me correct, is
when Ukraine Russia started and then all of a sudden
we were done with COVID. So you know, you can
call it twenty one months. I guess if you want
to take it to you know, it was the Super Bowl.
Who won that Super Bowl? Them the blue and yellow?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: What color is Ukraine? Blue and yellow? Oh, it's just
a coincidence, bro nothing's a coincidence. Very few things are coincidences.
But it's rather minute, I guess, in the scheme of things, right,
But you know, understanding architecture doesn't always take immediate judgment,
but you have to, you know, have discernment. It requires observation. Okay,
And I want to get into what happens next, and
this is a huge pivot, and I think this really
plays into however the B system rolls in obviously the
social credit system, which I think has a legitimate chance
to be in place by twenty thirty. One of our
listeners who we regularly chat with, I think he believed
it's twenty twenty eight. We don't know, but everything's in place.
Because modern technological, technological influence is rarely defined just by
physical manufacturing or lab capabilities. Right, it's shaped by many things,
you know, the ability to generate, store, interpret, and most
importantly distribute what data. And in these biological sciences, it's
not abstract the person at the most fundamental level, right,
I should say it is personal at its most fundamental
level because it originates from what human tissue DNA our
very genetic identity. So when discussing surveillance in the twenty
first century, many people think of digital monitoring, that's happening now,
financial tracking, that's how happening now? Or look, by the way,
if financial trackings not happen, how did I get kicked
off papal Oh oh yeah, and that was four years ago.
Or location awareness through personal devices? Right, I don't wear now. Listen,
I had a conversation with somebody the other day because
we use Zelo. Now I've got you know, five or
six people in the zello. If you have Zello, go
to fact hunter, join the conversation in there. People say, well,
who's running it, who's monitoring? Listen, I don't care if
you have proton now if if they want to know
what you're doing, you know, there are stories that they have,
you know, drones, the size of mosquitoes, and again, don't
trust George research for yourself. They can figure out what
you're doing where you're out, anytime, any place. Right. But again,
when we're discussing surveillance in the twenty first century, many
people immediately think of digital monitoring, financial tracking, and again
it's the biological data collection that really represents a deeper
tier that intersects directly with identify the identity itself, so
that brings us back. The tools that enable genetic sampling
and analysis are all part of Thermofisher's portfolio through various divisions,
supplying everything from DNA extraction, KITS, sequencing technologies and the
related lab systems that are used all across the world.
And yes, I'm sure some of those technologies serve legitimate research, right,
maybe forensic purposes to help solve some crimes. But right
I think I should say that legitimate function has to
be acknowledged because if we're going to be responsible, we're
going to be accurate. But however, technological capability does not
exist in a vacuum. History repeatedly demonstrates that tools designed
for beneficial use can be adapted for purposes. That raises
both ethical and civil liberty concerns. Now, one documented example
that brought this issue to my attention involve the use
of DNA collection technology by authorities in China in programs
tied to population monitoring within Tibet. Right, we talked about
the wigers, what we've mentioned to, you know, the people
within Tibet a few times. I think I did some
more on the radio program, and reporting indicated that equipment
originating from Thermo Fisher was connected to these initiatives before
the company halted sales of certain products in that region
following international scrutiny, which means as long as they were
getting a check, they were fine. And then all of
a sudden people started to raise awareness about Hey, Thermo
Fisher is doing this, and they're like, oh, we we
didn't realize, Sorry about that. We're stopping now, we're putting
our foot down. As you know, they're trying to stuff
that last dollar into their vault.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And the significance of that episode doesn't just lie in
sensational interpretation, but it's a much broader principle. Once technological
capabilities enters a geopolitical ecosystem, control over application is not
always retained by the original manufacture right, and obviously different
geopolitical ecosystems throughout the world. But once it's in, we
know what is the endgame a nWo. It is a
practice run here, a practice run there, and when they
throw that final switch, everything will fall into place immediately
in corporate withdrawal after the fact. Right, once word gets out,
it doesn't it doesn't erase the reality that such tools
can become embedded within surveillance frameworks, and that raises questions
extending beyond any single nation or corporation. Right, biological data
has a strategic value, they say. It informs predictive health models,
It enables identification, verification, right on and on and on.
But the convergence of biotechnology and government infrastruction ructure, you know,
this whole it's a whole new frontier, and we have
to keep one step ahead of it. Right. You know,
there are some amazing medical breakthroughs, and I never like
want to deter from that. Like all of our advancements
are pretty amazing. I do wonder how much of it
is just through man's hard work, and how much of
it has come through you know, nefarious means. But you know,
we have to keep an eye out because you know,
this can always introduce potential pathways that would lead to misuse, coersion,
you know, spying on us, ethical restraight, on on and
on and on. But we also have to look at
it from a spiritual perspective, right, because the scripture does
speak of periods in which systems governing commerce and participation.
What happens they become intertwined. Right, the Book of Revelation
describes those mechanisms through which buying and selling are restricted
without compliance, you know, with these imposed identifiers. Now again,
I am not fear monitoring. It would be irresponsible for
me to claim that this company is responsible. No, I'm
not saying that. What I'm saying is that, you know,
this overlap really should invite reflection to you, the listener,
on the trajectory of systems that are increasingly in place,
that are capable of linking your biological identity with so
social functionality. Right, say that five times fast. So again,
discernment is everything. Right, As believers, we shouldn't fear innovation, right,
we struggle to get the older folks on board, getting
people to even tithe digitally? What what is that? You know?
Everything is a dual, you know, a double edged sword,
but listen, wisdom requires recognizing both potential good and potential abuse. Right,
and again Ephesians six twelve, we wrestle not against flesh
and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the
rulers of the darkness of this world, you know. And
when Paul wrote that two thousand years ago, it's the
same today, the same today. And that's ruggle, you know,
described there, and Ephesians really transcends intoividuals or corporations and
points toward these broader dynamics that are shaping human structures
and motivations. Observing the evolution of genetic data ecosystems through
lens or through that particular lens, I should say, really
encourages a more thoughtful engagement rather than what we saw
a few years ago from a lot of people, which
you could call passive acceptance. Right. And you know, to
kind of bring it to a close, because I think
I've touched on most of everything going through my notes,
but it's important to note once again and getting back
to Thermo Fish or Scientific themselves when they acquired you know,
these corporations such as Patheon that brought contract drug manu
facturing capabilities into their portfolio, allowing involvement in scaling therapies
from laboratory concept to production. Right, and then PPD clinical
trials and everything else. You know, when you look at
all of these collectively, this is a pattern of vertical
consolidations that positions a company not merely as a supplier
of tools, but a participant across multiple stages of medical deployment.
And again, this positioning became visible during COVID right public
reporting corporate disclosures confirm, confirm on record that Thermo Fisher
supported testing expansion through PCR related technologies. And what happened
to the inventor of the PCR test in August of
twenty nineteen. It was either three days prior to or
three days after mister Epstein quote unquote killed himself. Right,
it's interesting, right, that whole timeline. Right, They contributed equipment
used in lab workflows, provided manufacturing services that were connected
to pharmaceuticals and vaccines. Right, And those roles were part
of a broader private sector mobilization between big pharma and
the government. Right. And there's nothing wrong with calling the
stuff out, you know, putting it under a microscope. It
recognizes that when emergencies you know scaled demand rapidly that
these entities across all these response chains become indispensable. And
if you, if your corporation and subsidies are all tied
into that network, you have a lot of pool, you
have a lot of say right, it truly does, so
I invite you to take the time. There's some interesting
articles on the internet about Thermo's Fisher scientificate. If you
can't tell, it's been a busy week, the struggle Israel Scientificate,
Thermo Fisher Scientific And I had another note somewhere else
that I wanted to mention to you, and now I
can't find it notes everywhere, but you know, let's bring Oh.
I know what I was going to tell you in
my notes is that Thermo Fisher is in Waltham, Mathis, Massachusetts.
And what's interesting. When I was looking through my notes,
there's a couple very on the fringe side of the internet,
but I still wanted to mention it. I thought it
was interesting Thermo Fisher headquarters. It is twenty miles as
the crow flies to Salem, Massachusetts, which I thought was interesting.
And there are some, like I said, some pretty fringe
internet theories connecting you know, Thermo Fisher to the Church
of Satan. But we'll leave that to your whatever spare
spare spare time you have. You know, I want to
save the final kind of clothes for a little later,
because I still have about thirty minutes or so, and
I've really said most of what I wanted to say
here for this time period. So now that would be
a good time. And I want to listen to this together.
And uh, this is kind of open to emails. Number one,
I want to ask you do you think this type
of conversation belongs or I said, how should I frame it?
Should come from the pulpit right. Number two, I want
to make this perfectly clear. Pastor Chuck Baldwin and the
Liberty Fellowship are not a five oh one, C three
or C four. He makes that very clear on his
tithing page. You know, don't tithe to me if you're
expecting a tax deduction, because he's not. He's come a
long way. He went to I think he went to
Dallas Seminary like so many doesn't. And and now he's
you know, he understands the the lives of Darby Schofield.
And you know, again just because I say I tithe
or endorse somebody, it doesn't mean that you are a
one hundred percent aligned with everything they say or do. Right.
Our spouse is who we've been together with for decades.
We have our right that's just the way life is.
Our differences, But I think for the most part, he's
on point. Sometimes I feel like he may spend a
little too much time on this type of stuff, but
I respect it. But you'll when he gets to a
certain segment about taxes. That's one of the main reasons
I wanted to play it for you today. Chuck's very upfront, says, listen,
I pay my taxes because I don't want to go
to jail. He's very upfront about it for the most part,
and when I say the most part, he doesn't frame
it exactly that way, but that's kind of what he's
getting to. But at the same time, he says, I
respect people who do not pay, knowing that money goes
to the Synegagau Satan, to Israel, to abortion clinics, right,
planned parenthood, our education system, on and on and on. Right,
I could go on and on, but it'd be easier
just to hit the play button, and I may stop
just a few times to kind of add my thoughts
in and I'm not going to play the whole thing.
That wouldn't be fair to Pastor Chuck. I'll probably run
thirty minutes. I will include the link you can listen,
and I will also include a link if you would
like to donate it to his church. Again, this is
Pastor Chuck Baldwin from February eighth, twenty twenty six, and
the title is Evangelicals Divine Litmus Test.
Speaker 5: Open your Bibles with me.
Speaker 4: Please to the Book of Ephesians, chapter five. Ephesians Chapter five.
I'll begin reading in verse six. Let no man deceive
you with vain words, For because of these things cometh
vain words cometh the wrath of God upon the children
of disobedience. Be not ye, therefore partakers with them. Please
note verse seven and underline it be not ye therefore partakers.
Speaker 5: With them.
Speaker 4: Verse say, for ye were sometimes darkness, but now are
ye light in the Lord because of your salvation. Walk
as children of light. For the fruit of the Spirit
is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what
is acceptable.
Speaker 5: Under the Lord. Verse eleven is the second.
Speaker 4: Verse in this passage that I want you to note
particularly and have no fellowship, no fellowship with the unfruitful
works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Be not you
therefore partakers with them Verse seven, have no fellowship with them.
Instead reprove them, rebuke them. Now, this is not talking
about the people with whom we must associate with in
business or industry. Are those with whom we must live
with as neighbors. Are those with whom we must deal
in civic affairs. It's not talking about things of that nature.
This is talking about.
Speaker 5: Lending our willful, direct and.
Speaker 4: Sincere support to those who are engaging in purposeful and
incessant antichrist heretical, and wicked activities. Now, let me acknowledge
at this point all of us, as American citizens, support
a federal government via taxes, that is engaged in the
most reprehensible activities. As a government, we pay these taxes
out of a sense of duty as good citizens, out
of law and out of scriptural injunction Romans thirteen six,
not out of agreement with how.
Speaker 5: Those taxes are used.
Speaker 4: Let me quickly add that I absolutely support those who
choose to refuse to pay taxes out of moral conviction
or on constitutional grounds. I've known several such men in
my life, and some of them have paid for their
convictions with prison sentences. I'll just add that if one
chooses to fight this particular battle of conscience, he must
enter the engagement with the full and complete knowledge that
he will spend the rest of his life and all
of his financial resources in that singular cause. He will
have no time, energy, or funds to engage in any
other battle of conscience, because that battle will totally consume you.
If a man so chooses to vote his life to
such a cause, I have absolutely no quarrel with him.
In fact, in principle, I support him. I agree with
Thomas Jefferson quote, to compel a man to subsidize with
his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and
abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Close quote here here. But
I also agree with Jefferson when he wrote in the
Declaration of Independence quote that all experience has shown that
mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable.
Speaker 5: So, even though it is an evil to tax us
and then spend our money on evil.
Speaker 4: Immoral, ungodly matters such as genocide in Gaza, unconstitutional wars
all over the world, and many other devilish things of
which our taxes are used. From my own self, I
have chosen not to make that one battlefield the battlefield
on which I die.
Speaker 5: In other words, I pay my taxes.
Speaker 4: But I certainly understand the convictions of those who do not,
out of conviction and out of constitutionality. I support them
in that way. I do not believe them in error
in any way. I just recognize that if you choose
to fight that battle, you're not going to be able
to fight.
Speaker 5: Any other battle.
Speaker 4: It will consume you heart and soul for the rest
of your life. So I have made the decisions to
suffer that particular suffering while it's sufferable, so that I
might have the opportunity to fight a host of other
battles that I feel need to be fought. I just
had to put that in because I knew there were
people that that was important to. I do think, however,
that Christians of conscience do need to understand what they
may be ordered to do as a member of the
US military nowadays, when our armed forces are led by consciousness.
Allmorle warmongers, before they joined the US military or federal
law enforcement agencies. What our government is asking our military
troops and federal law enforcement agencies to do today involves
in many things that people of conscience could not morally do,
so they would have to reap the consequences of denying
an unconstitutional, illegal order, which is their duty to do.
By the way, so before anyone thinks about joining the
military or becoming a federal law enforcement officer, you better
think seriously about those things. These verses and Ephesians. Oh,
that was kind of an aside. Actually, these verses and
Ephesians are addressing the direct personal support and fellowship with
those whose evil actions are explicitly known to them, but
they provide such a one with their direct personal support
and fellowship. Nonetheless, that's who Paul is addressing in the
passage and Ephesians that we read on the basis of
this passage of scripture, and many others we could read,
for example, what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? What concord
hath light with darkness? San Chrinthian six. I am convinced
that what I'm about to say must be said. So
I'll begin the substance of my remarks by making this
headline statement. I believe Ephesians chapter five, verses seven and
eleven that we just read are emphatic, and that those
verses teach us today in twenty twenty six America, Christians
should not partake or have fellowship with pastors and churches
that support Donald Trump. I thought about this long and
hard before I was willing to make that statement, because
you and I can think of people that we consider
good people that attend churches that are rabbed in their
support for mister Trump. They support pastors who are rabid
in their defense publicly of mister Trump. I'm telling you
I believe those Christians, if they are, are in direct
violation of the Holy Word of God, especially in the
verses that we read today in Ephesians chapter five, I
believe they are living in direct disobedience to God when
he said be not partakers with them, have no fellowship
with them, but rebuke them. Whether someone voted for mister
Trump or not is not the issue.
Speaker 5: The election is long gone. We're not talking about election
politics here.
Speaker 4: The issue is is this person, this pastor, or this
church congregation deliberately, intentionally and enthusiastically providing assistance, cover or
personal approbation to a man whose entire existence is directly
opposed to everything defined as good, righteous, or holy in
the Word of God. And before turning me off or
dismissing what I'm saying because you say I hate Trump,
please listen. For the entirety of my half century in
the ministry, I am not a novice. I have watched
and listened as my fellow pastors and churchmen have preached
multitudinous messages publicly condemning the actions of presidents Democrat presidents
from Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton, to Barack Obama to
Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: And I joined.
Speaker 4: Them in condemning the unjust, unconstitutional activities of these leaders.
But I also condemned the unjust, unconstitutional activities of Republicans
Jerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, g HW Bush, GW. Bush, and
now Donald Trump. But here's the rub. When I call
out Democrat presidents, I am a Christian patriot. When I
call out Republican presidents, I'm a libtard.
Speaker 5: You know, the guys that use that word.
Speaker 4: They're just too stupid to put liberal and retarded together
in a sentence. So they make up a new and
they call it libtard. I can't tell you how many
times I've been called that or a socialists and other
impolite monikers, but I want you to know, right here
and now, I do not see Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 5: I see right and wrong.
Speaker 4: My responsibility is not to a political party. When I
accepted the call of God to preach the Word of God,
I made no commitment to a political party. My responsibility
is to the principles contained in the Holy Word of
God and God's natural laws, and as an American, to
the precepts contained in our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution,
and our Bill of Rights.
Speaker 5: Pastors and Christians.
Speaker 4: Can be excused for supporting mister Trump early on, as
much about him was unknown to us, although in all honesty,
even in twenty sixteen, we knew he was an I
moral reprobate, but we just didn't know to what extent.
So there's some latitude people voting for someone they perceived
to be something he was not, but believing he was
something they wanted him to be, they supported him. And
I certainly am not trying to find fault with that.
Pastors and churches.
Speaker 5: On the left.
Speaker 4: Knew that Bill Clinton wasn't immoral reprobate and that they
still supported him also, so this is not a partisan
issue when we but what we know now, what we
know now.
Speaker 5: And if we don't know, it's because we don't.
Speaker 4: Want to know and we look the other way. What
we know now, not twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty six
what we know now about mister Trump allows zero consideration
for Christians who continue to make excuses justify and defend
this man.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, there are no excuses for you. None.
Speaker 4: You cannot plead ignorance. We're not talking about a man
who made a mistake or a man who used bad judgment.
Speaker 5: That's not what we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: The man after God's own heart, King David committed adultery
with another man's wife, and God forgave him for that,
even though he had a price to pay. None of
us is perfect. Real Christians understand these things. They are
given to forgiveness and understanding because we all know that
Jesus was forgiving and understanding toward us. That's not what
we're talking about with Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: That's not it at all.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a lifelong gangster, he's a lifelong Zionist.
He is a lifelong philanderer. He's a lifelong cheat, he's
a lifelong hedonist, he's a lifelong felon, he's a lifelong blackmailer,
he's a lifelong bully, he's a lifelong malignant narcissist. And
he's a lifelong sexual predator. And since he's been president,
he has now joined the ranks of international war criminals
and mass murderers.
Speaker 7: If you have.
Speaker 4: Taken the time to look at even some of the
newly released I'll call them E files, you know what
I'm talking about. If you have taken the time to
look at even some of the newly released E files,
you know that Donald J. Trump, along with the rest
of the rich and famous predators in those files, should
spend the rest of his life in prison. And even
if he did, that would not balance the skills of
justice owed by this degenerate monster. And yet, knowing all
of this, there are still thousands of pastors and Christians
who continue to give Trump their undying support. From a moral, ethical, legal,
and spiritual perspective, how can these pastors and Christians.
Speaker 5: Not be party to Trump's corruption.
Speaker 4: By supporting him, lauding him, defending him, excusing him, they
are party.
Speaker 5: To his criminality.
Speaker 4: If in the scripture, hate and lust in the heart
makes one a spiritual murderer and adulterer, does heart felt endorsement, justification,
and assistance to a man who makes murder and adultery
look like a Sunday school picnic by comparison mean spiritually?
How does God look at that? As God looks on
the heart. If he tells us in his word that
lust and hate is spiritual adultery and murder, then what
does he conclude when he looks at the heart of
people who give their endorsement to such a vile, evil,
wicked man and do it consciously, deliberately, and enthusiastically.
Speaker 5: How does God see that heart? My son in law, Alan.
Speaker 4: Shared an observation with me recently, and if you read
my syndicated column this past Thursday, I quoted this in
the column, so you've already read this. If you're not
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your inbox free of charge. So I'm quoting from this
portion of the column last Thursday. My son in law
shared an observation with me recently that I believe is
spot on and explains why God has blinded the hearts
and minds of evangelicals and by doing so, has allowed
such wickedness to run rampant in our government. He compared
evangelical's rejection of Ron Paul's presidential candidacy in twenty twelve
and their support for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen to
Old Testament Israel's rejection of the prophet Samuel and its
acceptance in support of King Saul. I believe that is
an apt analogy. I think Psalm one six point fifteen
summarizes this best quote. And he gave them their request
for Saul for Trump and sent leanness into their soul
close quote. He gave them what they wanted, but their
soul was corrupted thereby.
Speaker 5: Doctor Paul.
Speaker 4: Was rejected by evangelicals specifically because he was not controlled
by Israel. He was not Israel first. And let's face it,
these people that are still supporting mister Trump in the
rabid fashion that they are, they themselves are Israel first.
Speaker 5: Don't let him fool you. This is not about America first.
Speaker 4: This is about Israel first, top to bottom.
Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good place to pause. Like
I said, I don't want to play his whole clip,
but I play twenty five of fifty three. I will
leave a link to this clip, the entire fifty five minutes,
and I'll also leave the links if you'd like to
give to Liberty Fellowship. And by the way, if you
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do it that way. But I'd be very interested to
hear your thoughts on the subject matter, on it being
presented from a pulpit, your point of view, and you
know he held a lot of things on the head
that I deal with the new listeners. Will hear me
say something and I'll get an email. But I'm a
libtard or whatever, it's not the case. It's a very
distres ductive word to begin with. Nobody should be using
that word. But I need to close, I need to
get on the road. But before we completely wrap it up,
I do want to just briefly reflect that kind of
ties everything up into one neat bow that we've discussed
or listened to over the last hour. Right, and you
just heard a portion of Pastor Baldwin's February eighth message
examining what he described as kind of a spiritual and
cultural litmus test that is facing modern evangelicals. Right. His
sermon challenges believers to examine where our loyalty, our discernment,
and conviction truly reside when institutions, political identities, and social
pressures begin demanding the unquestion alignment. Right, And that's not
isolated from the subject matter we covered in the first
half of the podcast. Right, when we look at corporate infrastructure,
crisis participation, surveillance capability, and consolidation of influence, we're ultimately
confronting the same deeper question that Pastor Baldwin raised in
a pastoral context, which is where does discernment come from?
And what authority shapes our response to complex systems of power.
So again, the issue is not whether corporations exist or
whether technology advances. Look, these realities are part of our
civilization and will continue. I think what the issue is
whether believers engage the world with spiritual clarity or surrender
judgment to narratives that are provided by them, right, the institutions,
the media, and culture. Right, faith that's rooted in comfort
or familiarity can really shake you when these systems grow
more incotrate, intricate, pardon me. And faith that is grunted
in scripture with the moral compass attached to it, you know,
it stays steady because you're anchored in your faith. So
I think this was a pretty good impromptu episode. I've
been trying to get it together for the last few days.
Our pastor had a little bit of a health scare
this week, so I had to kind of shift and
prepare a you we always have a sermons structures frameworks
on hand for if we need to address or step
in for somebody, but you know, anytime I get behind
the podium, I take it serious. So I spent a
lot of time working on that. But at the same time,
I had some free time this afternoon and I wanted
to share this with you, and I hope, I really
hope it helped with discernment and to get you thinking
about a few things. But remember, scripture repeatedly calls believers
to thoughtful vigilance rather than passive acceptance.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: First, Thessalonians five, verse twenty one says, prove all things
and then hold fast that which is good. Right, So again,
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today I want to close with prayer. So again I
always say, if you're not driving, val your heads and
let's go to the Lord, heavenly Father. Today we come
before you with a heartfelt gratitude for truth, for wisdom,
the ability to seek understanding in a world that you know,
it feels like it moves faster than reflection allows. So
we ask you grant discernment to every listener hearing these words,
that minds remained clear, heart's remained grounded, and our spirit
remain anchored in your guidance rather than shaken by uncertainty.
We ask that you protect u from deception, whether it
comes through power, influence, technology. Give us the courage to
examine what must be examined. Give us the humility to
recognize what we don't understand. Give us the strength to
walk faithfully regardless of the systems unfolding around us. Pray
for our families, our communities, any of our listeners right
now going through difficult times who are ill convalescing. I'm
going to pray for them right now. Lord, pray for
our brothers and sisters in Christ. Fill us with peace
that surpasses understanding, and remind us that no earthly structure
stands above your sovereignty. We ask that you lead us
in wisdom, truth, steadfast faith, and I'm so thankful for
everything you have provided for us. Lord us. Remember, no
matter what we've gone through, there's somebody gone through something
even more difficult. We ask all of this in Jesus'
most precious name, weepray Amen, God bless you all have
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