WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:11.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, making her wait till the mic 2 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.080 they started dimming the lights. You started feeling all right 3 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:17.480 from Birmingham home with the teddy lungs and the room 4 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:20.879 and studies more. Once you discovered or rather the lovers 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:23.719 Whitney Houston and Roman Reigns, all of the lovers, and 6 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.640 Mickey James and Mark j all of the lovers. It's 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.640 Asa Banks. You're them on a silk signing and page. 8 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:31.559 Allow me to say, look. 9 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:33.119 I just found the blessed weet escape. 10 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.240 Every one of the buzz I was kind of laxed. 11 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.600 I just made it up the trouble blood walking by 12 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.679 the face because I know it's right in front of us. 13 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.960 I ain't with the hay. You gotta focus on much 14 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.039 great ladies and gentlemen, and steph Hardy is on the air. 15 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.119 Had to drop a couple of bars just to make 16 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.679 you all aware. So sit bad, relax, enjoy the show. 17 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.719 You know why, go by Joe Well the wrestle. 18 00:00:54.359 --> 00:01:25.920 You Hey, y'all. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second episode 19 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.480 of HWP Extra of twenty twenty five. Of course, I'm 20 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:35.439 your girl. Stephanie Hardy, Hosting creator of HWP, HWP Extra 21 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:39.000 and co host of Stephan Kat Talk Wow and writer 22 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:43.560 for Daily DDT and color commentator featuring in various promotions. 23 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:48.200 And for this episode, I decided to do something completely 24 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.519 different and just be bold and just strike out and 25 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:56.120 talk about something that really blessed my soul at the 26 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.959 very beginning of the year and something that has carried 27 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.000 me through in my life. And before we get to that, 28 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.079 I have to introduce my fabulous guests who are going 29 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.719 to help me talk about this amazing subject. First off, 30 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.919 we have one half of those Wrestling Girls, an absolute 31 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:18.199 pioneer for black women in wrestling media and just an 32 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:22.960 all around amazing person. She is also a work She 33 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.759 is also a social media producer and creator for Hot 34 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.639 ninety seven and just an amazing person. She is Christa b. 35 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.800 Thank you so much for coming on this show. And 36 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:40.520 then and then finally, we have Vaughn who is King 37 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.840 Vaughn Junior and he is the host of the Victorious 38 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.400 Ones podcast and he is a great supporter of a 39 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.960 lot of people in black wrestling media while also maintaining 40 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.280 his own platform himself and just an all around amazing person. 41 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:59.240 Thank you guys so much for coming on tonight. Thank 42 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:03.479 you for having us. I'm excited to talk about Lucy Vandros. 43 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.680 Yes, and I'm so happy and thrilled to be talking 44 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.639 with you guys about Luthor, simply because a lot of 45 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.879 the times, whenever I talk about the amazingness that is 46 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.639 Luther and Ross, it's always with people like family members 47 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:21.800 who are a little bit older than me, or people 48 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.800 who are you know, who are alive during his boom 49 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.120 period and during his time and all of the above. 50 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.960 But to get to talk about it with people who appreciated, 51 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.280 who are around the same age as me, it's a 52 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.879 very rare thing and it's very special, definitely for HWP 53 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.199 because most of. 54 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:41.520 The time, a lot of the time, we talk wrestling 55 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.159 in all of our platforms and such, so to be 56 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.479 able to talk about something different it is really amazing. So, yes, guys, 57 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:55.560 we are talking about the acclaim documentary Luthor Never Too Much, 58 00:03:55.919 --> 00:04:00.000 which aired on television on New Year's Day on CNA 59 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:01.400 and on the old. 60 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.280 Oprah Winfrey Network. But it was released in theaters and 61 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.599 select theaters across the country I believe last fall, and 62 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.439 it even aired and they also had like a screening 63 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.360 for it here in Birmingham as well. But I didn't 64 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.560 get to make it towards it, so I guess, you know, 65 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.800 for me, I was just like, you know, I think 66 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:24.399 I'll just catch it on television, and I am really 67 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:28.360 happy that we get to discuss it. So, Krista, I'm 68 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.959 going to start with you. When was the first time 69 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.560 you heard Luther Van Dross And how did you feel 70 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.360 when you heard him sing. 71 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:41.600 Don't I don't know? So you know, growing up in 72 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.680 a black household Saturday, yes, you get up clean and 73 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.079 you hear all the oldie but goodies. But my aunt 74 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.519 she used to when she used to pick this up 75 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:52.480 from school a drop well, we used to drive home 76 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.600 at night. She used to listen to ninety eight point 77 00:04:55.639 --> 00:05:01.879 seven Kids FM, and it was at that time it 78 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.639 was just like why are we listening to to that? 79 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.759 Like we want to listen to, you know, music of 80 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.600 our generation, but it was a more of a older station. 81 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.160 And then when Kiss had FIM left, she started listening 82 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.120 to one or seven point five to VLS full Circle 83 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.560 I work there now, but it was on those stations 84 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.079 where we would listen to like Luther Vandros. Never too 85 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.920 Much was literally one of the first songs I feel 86 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:32.040 like I've heard along with if this were with mine, 87 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:36.439 along with the superstar, and I've always loved his voice. 88 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.680 His voice was something specially, something unique. And then when 89 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.199 he you know, came out again in the late or 90 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.240 the early two thousands, would you know, take you out 91 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:48.480 dance with my father? It was just like, Okay, there's 92 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.079 a resurgence of Luther Vandros, but it was I don't 93 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.079 think there was ever a time where I never I 94 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.000 haven't listened or haven't heard of Lutha Vandress song, whether 95 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.959 it's a remake, whether it's him, whether you know it's 96 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.680 I don't think there's ever been a time where I 97 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.839 haven't listened to him. 98 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.839 Right, And I think that's you know, poignant, the way 99 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.839 that you put that. Even though you said you know 100 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.800 you can't exactly remember the first time you heard him, 101 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.519 you do know that his voice was ever present in 102 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:15.920 your life. 103 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.319 And funny enough, down here in Birmingham we. 104 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.720 Have a ninety eight point seven Kids FM two that's 105 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.000 been around for a very long time and it's still 106 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.680 around to this day and it used to have the 107 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.319 Tom Joiner Morning Show on it. 108 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.360 Yes, listen to Tom Joiner up here till the simulcast 109 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.279 but yeah, definitely Tom Joyner on the show up here 110 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.160 ninety eight point seven Kiss FM, and I'm just like, 111 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.040 oh my gosh, like I don't want to we're gonna 112 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.600 listen to at that time again, we'll listen to HIG 113 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:44.920 ninety seven worked there as well. You know, we don't 114 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.079 want to listen to Kiss FM. We'll listen to all 115 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.040 of the new music that's out right now. And this 116 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.079 was like what ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, So 117 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:54.879 you know, you listen to b IG and we'll listen 118 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:56.720 to one twelve. We'll listen to like the old hip 119 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.199 hop and R and B. We won't listen to the 120 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.680 old stuff, you know, as kids, we'll listen to what's 121 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:02.399 what's the part of yet, I really you don't want 122 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.240 to listen to the old but the old cultures, you like, 123 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:10.199 it gives you a sense of uh, it gives you 124 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.399 that that a sense of history, like knowing where your 125 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.040 history comes. Because now go and be like listening to 126 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.279 that music. I'd rather listen to that of the eighties 127 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.160 and what we have of the nineties and early two thousands, 128 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.079 because I don't know what sometimes I don't know what 129 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.759 we're listening to today. And I'm just like, dang, it's 130 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:33.519 not like my parents. But yeah, that's just the fact, 131 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.480 the truth of the matter, Like and so throwing a 132 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.040 Luther classic any day, even have a Luther Pandora station 133 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:44.399 because it's just like so timeless period. 134 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.480 Now, Vaughn, can you place the first time you listen to. 135 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:48.800 Him or you know? 136 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.079 Yeah, so so as far as like the first time 137 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.639 I heard him, usually I've heard of in passing because 138 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.319 of what not passible. The thing is, like, you know, 139 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.680 because because like my parents or the people themselves, they're 140 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.920 you know, like you know, in the same age range 141 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.040 as as Luther. Anyway, he's like you know, like two 142 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.160 or three is older than them. But the point is 143 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.040 though over here, like you know, like a lot of 144 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.000 stuff that we listen to, you know, how you talk 145 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.839 about was it kissing? You know whatever? It is like 146 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.839 a time Joiner uh for here in d C, they 147 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.240 I've had one or two point three, so a lot 148 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.240 of times you know that, like the station will play 149 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.160 his music or w h u R ninety six point three. 150 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.160 How are University's radio station? 151 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:29.839 You know? 152 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:33.159 And so and even Donny Simpson like he's on w 153 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.360 pg WPGC ninety five point five over here, he'll play 154 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.320 a lot a lot of un Luther stuff, and so 155 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.679 like growing up, it was like I couldn't tell, you know, 156 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.840 like exactly like sometimes what the time period it was. 157 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.519 All I know was it was classic. So I found 158 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:49.519 out later on, oh, this is you know, stuff from 159 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:51.639 the eighties, just like Risa. You know, a lot of 160 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.279 stuff I was listened to, like especially in the nine 161 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.399 five point five. You know, we listen to you know, 162 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.440 to you know, to b I G. TUPI, you know 163 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.600 these you know stuff like that, you know or you 164 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:04.240 know whatever, you know as far as like our contemporary 165 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.720 type of music. But as I got older, like like 166 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:10.159 I learned to appreciate him more. And then even when 167 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.679 he came back out like Christmas talking about like well 168 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:14.399 I can't take you out, that was just you know, 169 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:19.600 it's rejuvenation. But but it's it's not a time in 170 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.519 my life where I haven't you know, come across a 171 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.480 Luther vandrossung House, not at home, never too much superstar 172 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.080 stuff like that. So this catalogs piece for. 173 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:35.879 Myself absolutely, and what I will say, I think my 174 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.879 my musical journey was very backwards in the sense that 175 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:44.840 I was listening to gospel first, before I was listening 176 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.399 before I was able to really listen to anything else. 177 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.879 And I'm happy, you know it was that way. 178 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.919 But you know, when a lot of people were listening 179 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.679 to like the Biggies, India Alias and stuff like that, Like. 180 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.440 I didn't know who a lot of these people were 181 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:02.519 until later in life. So there's a sense of twistedness 182 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:04.879 that I had in my musical journey where it was 183 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.600 gospel and then it was R and B and pop, 184 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:12.039 and then it was rapping hip hop and stuff. So 185 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.600 the first time I had heard of Luther Vandross was 186 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.720 when I was looking around in my house and my 187 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.759 mom had cassette tapes just laying around, and you know, 188 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:23.919 I looked at the pictures of this man and I 189 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.879 was just like, Okay, well, you know, this is somebody 190 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.320 that my mom really likes, because she had a bunch 191 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:33.759 of cossets. And so around the time I got exposed 192 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:38.080 to Luther Vandross was when Reuben Stuttered was competing on 193 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:43.399 American Idol, and he's from Birmingham originally, and because of 194 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.039 that time, you know, everybody was voting for him. You know, 195 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.320 we was going real hard for him down here because 196 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:49.279 we wanted him to win. 197 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.600 And one of the best covers he ever had was 198 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.399 a Luther Vandross song, So hearing that and then also 199 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.639 hearing the Luther Vandross songs playing on a loop on 200 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:05.440 nine eight point seven because of Ruben singing his songs, 201 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.120 that's how I got exposed to him. So I was 202 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.559 just like, okay, and so now I'm listening to Superstar, 203 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.440 I'm listening to a house is not a home. I'm 204 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.600 listening to all these other songs because someone else is 205 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.639 singing them. And of course, ultimately Ruben won that second season. 206 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.120 Even though a lot of people argue it should have 207 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:29.879 been Clay, we voted it can't be changed. So yeah, 208 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.440 at the end of the day, that was my exposure 209 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:35.600 to Luthor was through my mother and through the radio 210 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.200 and through Ruben Stutter, so big shout out to them 211 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:43.879 for that and to get more so into the documentary itself. 212 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.639 This documentary was directed by Don Porter, who was a 213 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.120 director that I hadn't really heard of before, but she 214 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:57.840 comes highly respected when it comes to her filmmaking work, 215 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.840 and a lot of people were very happy that she 216 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.360 made this documentary and it was produced and executive produced 217 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.480 by a lot of different people, but one of the 218 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.039 main people who was listed as an executive producer was 219 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:16.519 Jamie Fox, who is of course is an OSCAR winning actor, singer, writer, producer, comedian. 220 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.200 All of the things. 221 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.559 And he was also in the documentary too, you know, 222 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.039 short of sharing his exposure and his journey as a 223 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.559 luthor Van Dross admirer as well. So yeah, just looking 224 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.679 at the way that it was crafted by both of 225 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.279 these people and also the other people who work behind 226 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.080 the scenes on it, you could tell that it was 227 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.159 made with a level of cultural awareness and a level 228 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:44.639 of love that and authenticity, and I really appreciated that 229 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:45.240 from them. 230 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.519 Do you guys have anything to add. 231 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.639 I love the fact that and what you know, when 232 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.000 you watch documentary, everybody who knows that said person is 233 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.519 in it. Like it's too overpowering with celebrities and superstars. 234 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.759 I love the fact that it was only those who 235 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.480 everybody matters, but it was only those who were like, like, 236 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.240 you had Jamie Fox who expressed like he was a fan, 237 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.559 and you know, I didn't know that he had a 238 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.679 hand in, you know, being a producer in the documentary, 239 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.159 but then he also had somebody like Mariah Carey, who 240 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.879 spoke about the first time she performed with him on 241 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.840 stage and how he was given all the giving all 242 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:24.679 these accolades, and she was like, Hey, I'm just starting 243 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.759 out and I've never performed for somebody or with somebody 244 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.039 that big of a stage at that moment, at that time. 245 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.759 And then it was mostly like the people that he 246 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.720 grew up with, that he knew when he was in 247 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.759 the first when he was in his first group Listen Brother, 248 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.960 when you know, those those who were closest to him. 249 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.360 You had Valerie Simpson in the documentary. I can't think 250 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.279 of their name, Carlos. I believe one of the guy's 251 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:55.320 names was Carlos who was in Listen Brother with him. 252 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.720 You had those whole It was really short, it was 253 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.639 a really small group of people who were in it, 254 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.000 but it made it all work and made it tie 255 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.639 together because those are the ones who really told Luther's 256 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:06.480 story the best. 257 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.039 Yeah. And as far as as far as the Jamie 258 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.799 Foster connection, you know, it's it's amazing that he has 259 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.720 he as saying, tied into this because for those who 260 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.759 already know the song Slow James, you know, like the 261 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:25.919 line where it says you know, she says she wants 262 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.759 to marveligate some Luther Vandross with the sample of a 263 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:30.840 house not at home. So it's kind of like, you know, 264 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.799 full circle moment. And you know, I like how he 265 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.639 was helping involved in that told his story about Luther, 266 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.480 how they had you know, like Dion warworking there as well, 267 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.919 you know, like people people from you know, from Luther's 268 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.320 original group, like I guess a friend guy named Phonsie Thornton, 269 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:49.919 neither people like you know who spoke you know, spoke 270 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.240 very highly of them and told all these different details 271 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.080 about his story. And like even though I like certain 272 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.919 stories I heard about, I knew like the Sesame Street thing, 273 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.639 you know, like you know, when he first started, and 274 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.919 just how instrumental, you know, like he like he was 275 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.159 in having the hands in so many different so many 276 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.840 different songs. I want to go too far into it, 277 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.120 but that's pretty much what it was. 278 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.840 Yeah, it was so beautiful, you know, seeing the amount 279 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:19.039 of people that they did get. 280 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.440 But it's like you said, Chris, it was a small circle. 281 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.440 And I think that in the case of this documentary, 282 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.799 less is more because of course over the years that 283 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.080 we've in the years since we've seen so many of 284 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:35.279 our legends past. We've seen so many people do documentaries 285 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.440 and do interviews about these people who might not have 286 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:40.679 fully known them the way that they thought that they 287 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.200 knew them, and they speak on them as if you 288 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:46.639 know that they were like so close, but in actuality 289 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.919 that wasn't the most authentic relationship that they were given. 290 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.399 And I think that in this case, less being more 291 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.799 definitely worked out because this is a man who is 292 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.440 bioll intensive purposes, who was so talented, and he had 293 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.519 a close knit, you know, set of people because you know, 294 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.799 there was so much about him that he just did 295 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.840 not want to be revealed to the public, which we 296 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.840 will get into later, and also because you know, he 297 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:19.240 was just very private. It seems so the idea that 298 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.960 the people that were chosen to be a part of 299 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.480 it were a part of it was really great. And 300 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.639 just seeing a baby Mariah Carey, like who we know 301 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.440 as the Queen of Christmas at this point of our lives, 302 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.480 but also forgetting that this woman really has a catalog 303 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.080 in and of herself, got her start as you know, 304 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.480 a cover singer with the duet of Endless Love. And 305 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.240 seeing you know, Jamie Fox with that full Circle moment. 306 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.080 Like you said, Vinn Slow Jams is one of my 307 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:54.120 favorite songs ever from a very special place, and it's 308 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.559 just and so the idea of seeing all of those 309 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.480 people you know who worked in music at Dinny, even 310 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.159 his background singers talking about him, you know, and people 311 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.480 he sang with at the start of his career be 312 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:08.000 a part of it was really good too. And I 313 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.400 did not know the Sesame Street part. There was a 314 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.079 lot that I learned from this documentary, and I feel 315 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:17.680 like a great documentary is one that teaches you things 316 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.160 that you already knew about one of your favorite people, 317 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:21.680 but it also teaches you things that. 318 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:22.640 You might not have known. 319 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.319 And I did not know that he was from New York. 320 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.640 I did not know that he was born in New York. 321 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:34.880 I was just like you read. Of course, absolutely, Krista. 322 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.359 Of course, it wouldn't have been any other way. You know, 323 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.079 he was from the Bronx, I think they said, and 324 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.839 that's a part of New York I have not visited yet. 325 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.640 But you know, just the thing that I love the 326 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.480 most in the documentary as well was them sort of 327 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:54.359 expressing what the world or what the US looked like 328 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:58.200 and just how music was sort of evolving in terms of, 329 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.160 you know, the different regions and what R and B 330 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.559 was sounding like at a certain time. And of course 331 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.519 the most dominant force at that point in black music 332 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.680 was motown, but then you also had the Philly sound 333 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.200 in the mixture of it all as well, and so 334 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:17.200 Luther was finding his voice, you know, as a young child. 335 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.960 And they also mentioned him growing up with his family, 336 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.720 his mother and his father and his siblings, and how 337 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.720 his father, you know, even though he worked a regular job, 338 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.759 he was also a singer as well. And I was like, okay, 339 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.799 you know now, so you're telling me it's in the blood, okay. 340 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.720 So yeah, and him moving through and then growing up 341 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.079 and realizing that music was what he wanted to do, 342 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:46.039 and even while he was in college he realized that, no, 343 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.000 I really want to sing and pursue this. And his 344 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.920 family actually being supportive, his mother being supportive of his 345 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.960 music career, you know, that was a very important thing. 346 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.359 And his mother spoke lovingly of him even while he 347 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.480 was going through his sickness, which we will discuss later, 348 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.000 and even after his passing, she spoke very lovingly of 349 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.200 his career and was a supportive force for him. And 350 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.839 that was very great as well. So hearing how he 351 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.240 got started and just knowing that he wanted to go 352 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.960 all in immediately was just really great. So christ how 353 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.000 did you you know? How did you feel? You know, 354 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.039 already knowing he was from New York, but hearing how 355 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.279 he got started and how he wanted to go all 356 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:29.640 in on his career. 357 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:35.039 Well, being from New York is really I really firmly 358 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:37.359 believe this now, like if you can make it in 359 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.240 New York, you can make it anywhere. And Lutho kind 360 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.839 of epitomized that because of the fact, like he knew 361 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.480 that he wanted to sing, Like he said, he didn't 362 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.319 have a plan B, like going to the school and 363 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.599 what was it, Kalamazoo, Missouri. It was not for him. 364 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.279 And he just knew like he wanted to be a singer. 365 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.039 So he went every route that he could possibly go 366 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.920 in order to make sure that he was a singer. 367 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.839 He went the route of doing jingles, He went the 368 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.240 route of singing in the group he was in another 369 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.440 group called Luther like he was writing. He did everything 370 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.920 he needed to do until and I tweeted about this 371 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:17.279 and I spoke about this on the those wrestling girls 372 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.319 side that you had, everybody needs a friend like Roberta 373 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.160 Flat because if it wasn't for a Berta Flat Luthor, 374 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:27.920 we would have never known the Luther that we have 375 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.039 or that we had because she saw something in him 376 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.400 and she was just like, yeah, no, like you're going 377 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:37.240 to sing the song, You're gonna miss it. Be in 378 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.279 the front, like you have to stop, you know, making 379 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.960 yourself so small, or you know, I see this in you, 380 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.839 so now I'm gonna push you. If you have friends 381 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:49.880 like that who can see the best in you, although 382 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:51.799 you know it's there, like you know you have the 383 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.119 potential and you're just trying to figure out how to 384 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.160 get there, you have a friend who's willing to push 385 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.880 you forward, push you there by all means, go for it. 386 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.799 And for thank you, Roberta Fleck wherever you may be, 387 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.319 for doing that for us, because we knew Lutha had 388 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.680 a drive that he wanted to sing. As Bonne said, 389 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:12.240 he was in that group and you know they did 390 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.880 the Sesame. They sang a lot of the Sesame straight 391 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.880 street songs during the seventies, and it was a shame 392 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.759 because even though Lutha was like the main voice one 393 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.039 of them I think it was Carlos who said, you 394 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.680 can't look at Lutha as the main character in this group. 395 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.319 And it was two factors. He was a dark male 396 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.119 and he was big. He was a big male. And 397 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:34.960 because if he was dark sing because he was a 398 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:39.079 heavy set man, everybody was just like, Okay, he's the voice, 399 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:42.319 but we could kind of like leave him a jar 400 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:43.880 in the sense like we can leave him in the 401 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.759 back in a sense, but we can bring his voice forward. 402 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.880 And it stuck because his about his career unfortunately, his 403 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:54.400 weight is really was really in the public eye more 404 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:55.440 so than his voice. 405 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.440 Yeah, so so so as far as so as far 406 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.640 as that's concerned, you know, like it was it was 407 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:10.480 great to see Luther's origins, origin story, you know in 408 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.480 terms and also like to say personified that you know 409 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.839 that that New York work ethic, that's that you know, 410 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:18.960 that type of attitude like you can make here, make 411 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.160 it anywhere, and so like in terms of him, you know, 412 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.279 not selling for a plan B. I remember even a 413 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.880 Murphy set an interview before in a minute, but as 414 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.440 far as Adie had an interview before, like saying that 415 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:31.599 with our senior he was he was saying like, look, 416 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.920 you know, I don't know, I don't have a plan. 417 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.240 You know, it's just like this, you know or nothing 418 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:37.960 else is so Luca had that, had this, kept that 419 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.440 same energy and and and in terms of those two 420 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.319 strikes that he had against him, because of that, and 421 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.160 it gave it gave him the drive to you know, 422 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.240 to to to to supersede, to over to over excel 423 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.480 because you know, because because when you have people like 424 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.640 that who have you know, have those types of strikes, 425 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.720 are like those type of you know, like you know, 426 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.079 things that society holds against them. It's like that, it's 427 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.359 like that they make up for that, they make up 428 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.039 for whatever that is when it comes to their talent, 429 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.400 when it comes to the type of stuff that they 430 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:13.359 have when it comes to presentation. So so because of that, 431 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.400 you know, like that that came out in Luther's work, 432 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.920 and I like how Noli robta Flack, but also David 433 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.440 Bowie gave you know, gave Luther a platform and opportunity. 434 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.039 So so like in terms of him there you go 435 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.000 in terms of him singing a singing background, I knew, 436 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.599 I knew about that. That's why I've always had the 437 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.400 most respectful David because because the thing is like he 438 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.680 gave Luther a platform and even let let him to 439 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.079 his own set, like during a tour, because he was like, look, 440 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.519 this is what your career, your future is gonna be, 441 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:46.000 so get used to it. So you're gonna you know, 442 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:48.119 you're gonna you know, this is gonna be what you know, 443 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.599 who you're gonna be, you know, like move and moving 444 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.599 forward and so and like I said, the type of 445 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:57.119 impact that he was having in the background before he 446 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.319 became a name in the forefront, Like I said, you know, 447 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.599 it just speaks for volumes to to you know, to 448 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.359 his to the to the imprint that he has in 449 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.000 so many different so many different facets of music. 450 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:17.039 Yes, absolutely, And in just mentioning Roberta Fleck and just 451 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:23.319 having her and in the documentary and just talking about 452 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.079 how she saw how talented he was and felt like, look, 453 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.319 you really need to believe in yourself and put yourself 454 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:34.079 out there, you know, and not just be the background singer. 455 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.359 Because in the doc you know, they mentioned how when 456 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.759 she wasn't able well, he mentioned in an archival footage 457 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:43.960 that whenever she would do interviews and he and she 458 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.400 wasn't able to come to the sound checks for the rehearsals. 459 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.759 He was the one who was basically, you know, directing 460 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.920 the background singers to do things and the instrumentalists to 461 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.480 do their thing, and he would sing the part, like 462 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.039 the lead part, and so she would come in and 463 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.839 hear him doing this, and she was just like, Okay, well, 464 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.799 since you got all this together, then you need to be. 465 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.920 Do your own thing. 466 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:09.960 And essentially, Luther said that she fired him from singing background, 467 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.279 but I think it's you know, she was really propelling 468 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.359 him forward because she really, like y'all said, she saw 469 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:19.079 greatness within him, and like you said, Von with that 470 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:24.839 work ethic that he had and trying to work past 471 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.839 societal disadvantages because let's be real, like being bigger and 472 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.799 also being darker skinned as a black person, it's not 473 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.799 really a disadvantage. It's just a problem that other people 474 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.440 create and put upon you, but really it's not a 475 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:46.079 problem at all. He utilized and he worked so hard 476 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.119 with his opportunities that he couldn't be denied. And that's 477 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.599 something that I greatly admire in any person, but definitely 478 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.599 in him, because he knew his gift, he knew what 479 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.359 he had, He had the ear he had the work, 480 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.119 ethic and the talent. All he needed was to push 481 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.000 and ROBERTA. Flack gave him that push. And Chris said, 482 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:06.559 just to let you know, ROBERTA. Flack is still with us. 483 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:07.599 She is still alive. 484 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.960 And even though I know, I'm just like wherever she 485 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:12.519 may be like, not in the sense. 486 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.680 Of like no, I'm sorry, no. 487 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:16.559 I'm just like, hey, girl, wherever you have you find 488 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:17.319 out you listen to this? 489 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.960 Thank you? 490 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:26.599 Right, but fun fact about David Bowie. I was in 491 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.480 a journalism class, one of my journalism classes in grad school, 492 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.720 and it was one of my favorite classes, and my 493 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.839 professor was like, yeah, Luke, the vandrois singing background for 494 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.680 David bow you know. I'm like, what, Like, I'm like, 495 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.279 you're a liar, Kevin. What are you talking about his 496 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.880 name is? She was like no, And the only reason 497 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.519 I noticed is because he grew up in the same 498 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.920 neighborhood as Bruce Springsteen in New Jersey, so he's like 499 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:58.119 a huge Bruce Springsteen fan and you know all of that, 500 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:02.240 And and I remember having that conversations like I didn't 501 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.559 know that, So you know, everybody's pulling out their laptops 502 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.400 just googling the see what And I think it was 503 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.920 because we was reading something based on David Bowie and 504 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.440 Luther vanderls or something like that at that time, and 505 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.400 that's when it came up. Hey pee, That's when it 506 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.519 came up. But yeah, Like, and I love how Duran 507 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.759 like when New York kind of like shut him out 508 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.200 in the syns in the music industry, or when when 509 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.000 it didn't work out for the or the first book 510 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.519 that he was a part of just didn't work out 511 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.319 and the group Luther was kind of like on the rise 512 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.759 in a sense. I love how David Bowie. I love 513 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.400 how Nick Jagger was loved the sound that they was. 514 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.480 They came because they loved that Philly sound, and that's 515 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.839 how you know, David Bowie became. And I remember one day, 516 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.039 like watching that, Luther was talking about how he didn't 517 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.119 know David Bowie was in the room and he was 518 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.279 doing some type of runs or ad libs or something 519 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.519 like that, and he heard something that David didn't hear, 520 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.720 and it's like he lutheran became like that musical director 521 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.400 of the stance of the person who started to like 522 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.359 do be the opening act for him because it's just 523 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.680 like you have this talent, you hear everything. Like even 524 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.559 in the very beginning, this is where that New York 525 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.119 grit comes from. When he went to his friend's house 526 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.599 and he asked his mother for twenty dollars, twenty five 527 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.720 dollars for a pair of shoes, and he said it 528 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.920 in Spanish, in the most broken type of Spanish you 529 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.359 can ever say it, because you know, Lutha didn't speak Spanish, 530 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.599 and the mom, who only spoke Spanish, was just like, 531 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.480 get his man's twenty four dollars, so he'd get them 532 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.119 shoes for y'all group. So even that hustle's mentality, like 533 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.440 it's definitely a New York thing. Sorry, we really can't 534 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.160 share it. I don't know. That's just what it is. 535 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:48.000 And it was just amazing to see, like how you 536 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.000 had people who was David Boy was huge in the seventies, 537 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.680 Mick Jagger rolling Stones huge in the seventies and eighties. 538 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:59.759 Oh Dave was huge in the eighties as well. All 539 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.920 of the Paul McCartney, all of those people wanted to 540 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.480 work with Luther, wanted to have, wanted to be a 541 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.119 part of that Philly sound, wanted to learn and immerse 542 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.640 themselves instead of taken over. And I love that. And 543 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.119 I feel like Luther was a little bit too sassy 544 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.559 to let anybody bully him because when it was he 545 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.920 was like, why is your name Luther? Why is the 546 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.759 group name after you? Why is the group named Luther? 547 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.240 He's so because I write all this thought the producer 548 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.960 all those like, you're gonna give you my credit and credits. 549 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:33.279 Dude, exactly, I'm him. 550 00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.559 He said, I'm him back in the seventies. 551 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.279 Him. That's it. 552 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.079 Yes, literally, anything you want to add, fine, Yeah. 553 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.599 So so as far as that, it's like you have 554 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.279 noteworthy names like like Bowie, the Rolling Stones and stuff 555 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.559 like that. It's like when you certain people are just 556 00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.559 like when you know music, you know this part and 557 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.799 even it's out, it's out the window when it comes 558 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.440 to that. And if you know if, if you're if, 559 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:00.880 you're really smart about it, right. And so as far 560 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.759 as Bowie, I found out like later on after he 561 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.279 died that he was actually on an episode Soul Trained 562 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.279 back in like the seventies. And also go qut you 563 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.200 know litt quick note. The song of Fame was also 564 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.480 in in the movie Next Friday. Little side note, but 565 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.039 but in terms of in terms of in terms of 566 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.119 Luther's determination, in terms of his drive, in terms of 567 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.960 his work effort. Like I said, you know that that 568 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.599 that definitely came out in full form, and you could 569 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.599 you could definitely tell that he was someone you know 570 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.400 who would take who would you know, was not gonna 571 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.000 take no for an answer, you know what I mean. 572 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.079 And so and the thing about it was that like 573 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.319 he was like, look, I'm gonna I'm gonna get I'm 574 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.039 gonna get my I'm gonna make myself a name. I'm gonna, 575 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.440 you know, like I said, be instrumental when it comes 576 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.839 to songwriting, when it comes to arrangements, you know what 577 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.039 I mean. And to the point where this dude's name 578 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.680 was even the credits before he even had his own 579 00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:01.079 first solo album. So you to me, so like him 580 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.279 singing for like back on for bet Midler and stuff 581 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.440 like that. So you know, it's it's like like I said, 582 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:07.920 he was this was his training ground, all this type 583 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.720 of stuff that he was doing. All this, all this 584 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.599 was was was Luther's training ground to what we would 585 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:15.920 get by the time we get to the eighties. And 586 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.240 so this was just all this was training day, all 587 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.799 this was preparation for what for what we were getting later. HM. 588 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.759 Yes, absolutely. And Christa you mentioning that journalism class thing 589 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.720 where you just where your teacher said that he was 590 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.759 in the same neighborhood as Bruce Springsteen. That reminds me 591 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.240 of the time I found I found out that Eddie 592 00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.759 Kendricks of the Temptations actually didn't live that far. 593 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.079 For my grandma, I was like, excuse. 594 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.400 Me, excuse me, love Yeah, I love that. 595 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.920 Whoa, Yeah, like Eddie Kendrick, Eddie Kendrick, And I believe 596 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.079 maybe two other Temptations or are from Birmingham or from Bestsemer, Alabama. 597 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.160 And I think Eddie Kendrick lived in the Ansley portion, 598 00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.519 which is one of our ninety nine neighborhoods. 599 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:01.359 And his son. 600 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.119 Actually went to my parents high school. 601 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.599 So and we have a park named after him, I 602 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.720 believe in another street in downtown I believe named after 603 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.240 him as well. So yeah, like when I found out 604 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:15.759 he was from here, I couldn't believe it. 605 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.200 I was like, you what. 606 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:19.680 A sense of like. 607 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.079 Knowing? Like all right, so you know, Brooklyn, we have 608 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.279 Biggie Smalls, we have jay Z. You know, then you 609 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.119 got people hip Hop started in the Bronx. It's just 610 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:32.799 like you get a sense, you have a sense of 611 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.200 entitlement when you know, like these things or these people 612 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.200 like you can't tell me nothing. And they'd be like, oh, 613 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.200 everybody from New York always got reminded from New York, 614 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.519 they got ready from Brooklyn. Absolutely, I stand on that hill. 615 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.960 I'm from Brooklyn. I'm not scared of nobody. I'm not 616 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.079 scared of nothing. That we got this, that and the 617 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.079 third it wasn't for us you when it had that, 618 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.759 Like it gives you a sense of entitlement or a 619 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:58.960 sense of some type of chip on your show with 620 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.960 the knowing that you know you had Eddie Kendrick and 621 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.200 some of the Temptations, you got Robted Fleck and don't 622 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.720 let me talk up start talking about the DC music 623 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.599 that's down there, Lady Jesus, like it's it's so legendary. 624 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:18.039 Now if you find somebody who's literally from No Name, Utah, 625 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:27.000 they're gonna yeah, periods Dan watching because never me Like 626 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.640 You're gonna sit here and it's like No Name, Utah 627 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.640 where the population is fifteen hundred people, and now that 628 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.599 fifteen hundred three of them become famous you're gonna ride 629 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.640 that waves. You're going to ride that wave. So if 630 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.160 I love the fact like we can, I can talk 631 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.920 about Luther Vandels being from New York. I can talk 632 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.799 about you know, Biggie Small's growing up right downtown. Or 633 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.480 I can talk about the places that jay Z has 634 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.599 been to because I've driven through these, through them neighborhoods 635 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.599 like Marcia Projects and Dog Up and Down Marty like 636 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:03.519 I went to school, Like I can do that and 637 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.240 be like, oh, I know what you're talking about. Now 638 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.480 for others, if like can you explain this and I'm 639 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:11.199 just listening, I can't help you this too much to 640 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.639 explain to know it? 641 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.079 Actually, yes, I mean. 642 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.760 So definitely because of ROBERTA. Flack, Like I said before, 643 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.920 she's from watching DC. Marvin Gaye was from DC, you 644 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.559 know what I mean? So like, can't nobody tell me 645 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.679 nothing about that fun fact? As far as New York, 646 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.800 there's a guy that go to church with he actually 647 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.599 you know, like somehow like he's from New York. He's 648 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.199 from Queens. So like somewhere or another he somehow like 649 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.800 knows Yellow Guja or something, you know what I mean. 650 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.119 So like in terms of in terms of like that 651 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.599 six degrees separation type of thing, like you know what 652 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.280 I mean. Like in my aspect, can't nobody tell me 653 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.079 tell me nothing either, you know what I mean. So 654 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.880 so so as far as like when you know what 655 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.239 you know, you know what I mean. Kevin Durant's from 656 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.400 my area as well, it's just like, hey, you know 657 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.639 what I mean, so like it just it builds up 658 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.840 that type of confidence, like you know, like, like I said, 659 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.400 I have nothing to fear at all whatsoever, you know. 660 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.440 So it's just like you know that you take certain 661 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.519 stamps where you know who you are and where you know, 662 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.440 you know where you're from and what builds your character. 663 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:18.280 So mm absolutely nobody can take it away from you. 664 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.599 Home is home, and it's home for a reason. So 665 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.679 and also speaking of home, finding out that Luther M. 666 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.559 Draws wrote brand New Day from the Wiz come on. 667 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.119 Well, I knew that. I knew that. I don't like 668 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:33.079 first of all, you hear him singing it. See, I 669 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.760 am a huge Michael Jackson fan. That's just me and 670 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:41.119 my daddy huge make Jackson fan. Like, so, I always 671 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.039 had this running joke like my daddy had a connection 672 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.840 with the cable company because every holiday we're either watching 673 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.000 The Jackson American Dream or street Walker or like the 674 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.639 long versions of Bad and Thriller and stuff like every holiday. 675 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.760 So when The Whiz came out, of course I'm going 676 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.719 to watch it because Michael Jackson as a scared throw. 677 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.559 I don't care how many people say it was whack. 678 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:03.920 I don't know how people say it was horrible. I 679 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.559 don't care how many people whatever, y'all not cultured. That's say, 680 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.639 go put more seasoning than salt and peper on your 681 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.559 food and leave us alone. But then I think I 682 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.719 was like watching like a documentary or whatever case and 683 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.880 I feel like that. But even he was Luthor was 684 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.719 singing in the in the movie, like you heard his voice, 685 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.599 Like Luther's voice is so distinct that you just know 686 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.440 that it's him. So yeah, I already knew that he 687 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.920 wrote that, Like I knew that for a fact. So 688 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.639 when I was at the Whitney Museum last weekend with 689 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.960 my friends, they have an Alvin Ailey section, like the 690 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.639 whole third floor is about Alvin Ailey, and I'm like, yo, 691 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:42.360 I need to go home and watch The Whiz now, 692 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.599 because not only do I get to hear Luthor thing 693 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.679 brand new day. I get to see these Alvin Ailey 694 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.960 performers do their thing, and that damn in that part 695 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.920 because who better but us to do it? 696 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.159 Okay exactly, and A like those dancers even to this day, 697 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.519 they eat everything they do. So I've seen them perform 698 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.280 in Lord Jesus, They're so amazing, Like I. 699 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.760 Can't I think I was in person and I went 700 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.480 to when I was the undergrad. My undergrad was a 701 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.119 few blocks up from the album Ali Dance Institute. Wow. 702 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.880 Yeah in the city, yes, And I never went, and 703 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.800 I'm just like, damn, like not a low key want 704 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.920 to go, but yeah. 705 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.639 Yeah, Like I saw them an undergrad when they went 706 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.599 on tour and they came. 707 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.360 Through Kentucky and I saw them and I was just like, 708 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.320 oh my gosh, we have to go see this now. 709 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.719 And seeing revelations in person it will bring you to tears. 710 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:40.519 So yes, it was amazing. So moving forward with talking 711 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.880 about the start of Luther's solo career, we get to 712 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:52.039 his debut album, Never Too Much, And the thing that 713 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.320 gagged me was Never too Much. It's just in your 714 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.199 bones as a black person, it's in your life. You 715 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.880 hear it at every get together. You hear it at 716 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.679 every barbecue, you hear it at everything right where black people, 717 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.559 every party, whatever. But the idea that this man wrote 718 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.800 this song, performed this song, basically composed the song, and 719 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.800 this was his first single on his first album. And 720 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.159 then you have don't you Know That on the same 721 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:33.119 album too, two songs that eat you up, like excuse me, 722 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:35.760 like your first album told you to do this? 723 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.280 Like who told me when you went solo to sit 724 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:46.840 here and give a no skip album zero like this, 725 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.000 like no one told you to sit here and be 726 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.559 in your black greatness as you were to give us 727 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.320 Never too much, don't you know? Like when I used 728 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.519 to school, still skate hearing never too much of the 729 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:08.679 skating ring on the Saturday child you would, or at 730 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.679 a barbecue like I can't go to a barbicane No, 731 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.440 and y'all don't play never too much because at the 732 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:18.400 end of the day, I'm leaving because it's not songs 733 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.360 that you have to play at a barbecue for to 734 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.199 be known as a black barbecue. And never too much 735 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.519 for Luther Van Druss is on that list, So so 736 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.440 we're gonna do that to us. 737 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:37.320 Sir, sir, came out the gates swinging, wasn't playing, don't 738 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.159 care that's game. 739 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:46.199 And in the documentary Marcus Miller, who performed with Luther 740 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.960 for many years, talked about how he had the sound 741 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.559 of Never too much in his head and how and 742 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.280 just the idea that you know he has, he had 743 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.039 this musical sense of hearing the bassline and how I 744 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:01.960 was supposed to be and how it was supposed to 745 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.960 be this hard driving thing and how different it was 746 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.280 in comparison to what was being played at the time, 747 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.000 and it just coming on and then you can see 748 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.159 him in the music video, you know, just singing the 749 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.559 song and just going super fast and da da. 750 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.840 Da da da da da da da da da. 751 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.599 Da da da and him having all this sass and 752 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.519 all of this confidence knowing that. 753 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.119 He's eating us up in this music video. It's just 754 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.679 like the most insane thing ever. 755 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.159 And I remember the moment I realized I deeply loved 756 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.199 this song was when it was in Think like a Man. Like, 757 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:40.880 when the song was in Think like a Man and 758 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.559 then all of a sudden, all of her was dun 759 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.599 dun du du dau, and it hit my soul because 760 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.960 I was away from home I was in college and 761 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.280 I was in Kentucky, and I was missing the music 762 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.639 of Home so much that once I finally watched this 763 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:59.639 movie and that song hit, I was like, Oh, that's 764 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.280 when I'm realized I couldn't live without it in my life. 765 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.880 So the idea that that's his first. 766 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:10.280 Single Jesus debut, and I didn't even know. 767 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.719 I don't know what I was his first single because 768 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.679 it just sounds like although he's been in the music 769 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.840 game for so long, it just sounds like something I'll 770 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.239 come off of his second album or third album. That's 771 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.480 the first single. I never knew that. 772 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.480 It's all all about making the best first impression. He 773 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.559 nailed the over over delivered on that impression. So like 774 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.400 when Marcus guitar player was somebody the sound that couldn't 775 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.159 get out, I can relate. Like when it comes to 776 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.079 even drawing, it's like I did, I got, I gotta 777 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.480 put on paper and so so for this to this 778 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.079 to be his very first impression, this dude at a 779 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.000 home run in the very in the very beginning, even 780 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.599 in the video, they're they're in the video, they even escaping, 781 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:51.920 you know, you know, a little a little signing it 782 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.119 with that. But and like even when I look at 783 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.159 the look at the album cover, right, so I was 784 00:41:58.159 --> 00:41:59.960 thinking I had an idea of doing like a design 785 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.239 shirt and like and just and like recreating it, having 786 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.679 big eat you know with you know, like I pretty 787 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.119 much redo that and so so like that that type 788 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.480 of thing, and so so a brand new day, right, 789 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.360 you know, a little full circle. But yeah, but in 790 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.320 terms of that, I mean, if you want to talk 791 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:23.280 about Ko, that album itself, from beginning to end, it 792 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:24.800 is a straight up t K. 793 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.239 Yes, he had a point to prove, y'all, and he 794 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.239 proved it and it. 795 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.679 Was very successful and in the Black community of course, 796 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.639 you know, it was being played and of course still 797 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.360 being played to this very day. They even used it 798 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.440 in a Google doodle for his seventieth heavenly birthday, and 799 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.840 I was so excited, you know, just to see, you know, 800 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.840 in the doodle them just showing all the ways in 801 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.719 which his music touched different people while they were driving 802 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.480 the car or even at get togethers and block parties 803 00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.000 and everything, and showing illustrations of him on stage. 804 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.239 It was just such a beautiful tribute. 805 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.159 Even with that, so the song definitely aged incredibly well 806 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.519 and the album Age is incredibly well too, so just 807 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:12.400 the idea that he came out. 808 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.239 With a point to prove and just everything to give. 809 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.880 But of course, with a level of fame and a 810 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.159 level of drive and a level of music that you're 811 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:27.320 putting out constantly, and with the level of exposure that 812 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.440 you're getting, and with all the albums that he met, 813 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.719 I put the second one up here because of course 814 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:36.199 this is the album cover Forever for Always for Love. 815 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.280 But as you can see, like we mentioned previously, you know, 816 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.440 he was darker skinned, and we did mention that he 817 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.039 did struggle with his weight a bit. So as he 818 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.199 gained more and more success in the black community, there 819 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:56.800 were people who saw that his weight would be up 820 00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:01.599 and down and would say sort of un kind things 821 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.760 about his way and how he looked, and one of 822 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.280 them being Eddie Murphy and his Delirious Comedy Special, which 823 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.000 of course you know back then, you know, there was 824 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.960 levels of comedy that was acceptable for back then, whereas 825 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.639 now if you were to say anything like that, it 826 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.679 wouldn't be kosher. But one of the things that people 827 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.559 have joked about over the years, even you know, into 828 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.159 like into the nineties, you have people joking about Big 829 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.800 Luthor and Little Luthor and how there's a difference, but 830 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:33.719 of course if you listen to the music, there was 831 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:39.679 no difference. But you know, let's just but whatever, How 832 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.239 did it make you guys feel in the documentary when 833 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.039 you heard the struggles that he faced and how he 834 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.280 utilized his own sense of humor to rise above it 835 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:51.360 even though. 836 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.400 It was hard at certain times. 837 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.800 Well, I was one of those people out of pure 838 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.159 probably pure ignorance now and fear like for communic value 839 00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.239 to be like the big Lutha, that little Luke. Like 840 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.880 I was one of them people, just because it's something 841 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.199 that I've seen, Like you said, Eddie Murphy's delirious, like 842 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.039 they pointed out Cedric entertainers on King the Kings of Comedy. 843 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.360 You know, I was one of those people. However, seeing 844 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.880 it in the documentary, it kind of hit like, yo, 845 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.199 like you can't be a part of the ignorance. Because 846 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.119 Luther's voice, though his weight may have went up and 847 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:31.000 down and fluctuated, though people may not have realized, likee me, 848 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.360 I didn't realize that he was going through excuse me. 849 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.559 He had this obsession with food, He had this unhealthy 850 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.519 relationship with food. He was also a diabetic. I didn't 851 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.320 realize like that was the cause of it. It was 852 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.039 just like, you know, growing up in the nineties, you 853 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.960 didn't have money, You didn't really have cell phones and 854 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.760 internet and stuff like that to see like, oh, this 855 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.920 is what's happening. You didn't really have those conversations either, 856 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.079 So to learn like he was really struggling, he used 857 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:11.239 joking as an outlet to combat what he was going 858 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:15.079 through or to mask what he was going through. Set 859 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:18.199 a perspective for me like, yeah, I'm grown now, Like 860 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.760 I can have a body fluctuating. I could wake up 861 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.199 one day and you know, be really big and people 862 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.679 make fun of my weight, you know. So it just 863 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.719 had me like damn, Like I had to throw my 864 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.400 apology to Luthor though he don't know me, like my 865 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.079 bad Luther, Like I would never sit here, like because 866 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.239 your music is timeless regardless, like the a mount of 867 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.559 Luther Viandro songs I have on my phone right now, timeless, 868 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.159 Like the weight shouldn't never mattered, between the weight and 869 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.000 his relationship status, or you know, it should have never mattered. 870 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.599 It shouldn't matter, like who's producing the greatest music, who's 871 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.719 putting out the greatest songs. How Luther's become a household staple, 872 00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.480 household name, that's what mattered, and that's what that's what 873 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:01.679 we're fans of. 874 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.159 So yeah, I mean, you know what, to be honest 875 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:09.960 with you, to be honest with y'all, this is one 876 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.840 of the parts I've been looking forward to to talk 877 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:18.719 about the most because Luther's clap back game is on 878 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.239 one because you know, because the thing about it is that, 879 00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.639 you know, for one, you know, we all heard the 880 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.960 jokes about Big Luther Luther that was like the staple 881 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.679 when when it came when it comes to us as 882 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.840 far you know, as far as the black community, you 883 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.360 know what I mean, like those types of quest signs 884 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.239 lo done know that the genesis of it was delirious, right. 885 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.760 So anyway, like I said, I like how Luther clapt 886 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.599 back on it because you know, because they talked about 887 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.719 his concert, you know, how he found out that Eddie's 888 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.480 name was on the list. He was like, look, I 889 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.559 don't want to let any murkh down. So because of that, 890 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.960 you know, obviously it gets this huge prop like this 891 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.679 giant giant bucket the KFC, and so then he starts 892 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.639 singing the KFC KFC jingle you know to you know, 893 00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.800 to go along with that. I was like the way 894 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:03.639 he he, you know, turned what was a struggle for 895 00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:07.559 him and and and like weaponized in his favor few 896 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.639 excuse expression, you know, like like I said that that 897 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.320 speaks volumes, and I think it's very ironic. I think 898 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.760 it's almost down hilarious that Eddie would make a joke 899 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.760 like that. Delirious. But then over a decade later, he 900 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.239 does a movie called The Night Professor where his character 901 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.199 so I mean, come on, now, you know what I mean, 902 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.239 So like, isn't it isn't it funny? How how that 903 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.800 how that ends up turn turn around later on? But 904 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.159 but yeah, you know, I mean, like you know, as 905 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.599 far as that knowing we know now you know, I said, 906 00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.320 you know, apologies for ignorance, because when you know better, 907 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.199 you do better, you know. So so like I said, 908 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.360 big ups to uh, you know, to Luther for you know, 909 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.840 for heaven a SESSI you know what I mean. 910 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.599 So also Jamie Fox touched on it too. It was 911 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.519 just like if Luther would have just said, this is 912 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.079 like we're gonna love you regardless, you understand, Luther We're 913 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:12.000 gonna love you regardless. But if you would have just said, oh, yeah, 914 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.360 this is what I'm going through, this is what I'm 915 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.079 going through, the jokes would have ceased, Like now it's 916 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.760 it's gonna it's coming from a real serious side of 917 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:26.960 things instead of a side of just jokes and laughter. 918 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.119 Because yeah, and now listen, I wholeheartedly watch Delirious and 919 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:35.239 Raw like I know them them stand up word for 920 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:41.480 word like Verdbatim and yeah when he uh talked about Luther, 921 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.079 but Eddie Murphy talks about Luther, he talked about Michael Jackson, 922 00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.559 he talked about Stevie Wonder, he talked about Teddy Pindigrads, 923 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:53.000 he talks about he talked about everybody. So for for 924 00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.880 Luthen Andres to have that sense of human it's literally 925 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.440 it was literally a defense mechanism. And I want to 926 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.239 kind of attribute it to being back from the York 927 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.320 because New York, like you can't really have you can't 928 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.920 really be soft, like, you gotta have tough skin because 929 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.519 somebody's gonna cut your ass every day. Sorry for curse 930 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.400 and stuff, somebody's gonna cut you behind every day, like 931 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.119 you just that's just how you know, community is out here. 932 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.280 That's just how or I don't know what it is 933 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.599 with these kids. Now I chend to mind my business, 934 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.719 but yeah, that's just how it is. And also Eddie 935 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.280 Murphy's from Brooklyn. 936 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:29.719 Exactly. 937 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:31.480 Eddie Murphy's from Brooklyn. 938 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.159 So it's just really didn't know that. 939 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.920 Eddie Murphy's from Brooklyn. Chris Rock is from Brooklyn. 940 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.480 Wow, yeah, I know Chris Rock was from Brooklyn. I 941 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:41.679 didn't know Eddie Murphy. 942 00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.719 Was Eddie Murphy was from Brownsville, I believe. 943 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.480 Yeah. 944 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.800 Wow, interesting it's a New York connection. 945 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.840 Okays, like one New York are cutting ass, like your 946 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.920 friend cutting your ass, Like that's just what That's just 947 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.960 how New York is. Get get like, that's just how 948 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.039 it is. Sometimes that you take it or you don't 949 00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.559 take it. You know, you don't take it. You are 950 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.000 the thrown hands like cauld you not go on the bay, 951 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.360 so you. 952 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.559 Cry exactly, you know what I mean. So it's it's 953 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.719 just because it's like to the point where after Eddie, 954 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.800 now I got like once the other one started doing it. 955 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:19.760 Now it's gotten to the point where it's like, all right, 956 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.199 now now you're bullying. Now it's now you're now you're 957 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.639 just straight up trolling, like a bunch of Twitter bullian 958 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.599 type of stuff, you know, like in these group pages. 959 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.280 Now it's gotten to that point, like after the Eddie part. 960 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.320 Now right now it's like, you know what a funny 961 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.159 nomal So yeah, yeah. 962 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.920 It's funny that you guys mentioned that because of course, 963 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.199 you know, I hearing how much of a sense of 964 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.880 humor luth I had like that made me happy and 965 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.760 knowing that, you know, he was very silly because I'm 966 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.920 a very silly person, so I'm just like seeing him 967 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:53.480 be very. 968 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.840 Silly just made him feel more relatable to me. 969 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.519 But at the same time, using your sense of humor 970 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.840 to laugh through it. It was Deadfinitely. It's definitely a 971 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.039 defense mechanism that can work. But I know, as as 972 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:17.519 a person, as a softie, as the softy in the room. 973 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.719 Hearing stuff like that can hurt. 974 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.760 And for me, it's just you know, knowing that people 975 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:24.320 were sort of dumbling down on asking about him, even 976 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.760 even in interviews, and making rumors about him, you know, 977 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:29.800 saying that if he, you know, gained a lot of weight, 978 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.280 then something was wrong, or if he lost a lot 979 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.480 of weight, then something was wrong. I feel like in 980 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.880 some cases in the black community, I feel like us 981 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.119 joking about it. It's like sometimes it can be like 982 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:46.480 disguised as concern, but in actuality it can be unkind 983 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:48.920 because I can't tell you how many times I had 984 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.119 heard weird things when I started gaining weight. I was 985 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.559 a little smaller around like high school into like my 986 00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:58.880 first year of college. But then when I started gaining. 987 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.159 Weight, I started hearing it from everybody. 988 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.840 And it's just like bruh, Like I'm not entirely sure 989 00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:05.960 if anything is wrong me. I think my metabolism just 990 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.840 slowed down whatever, And I love food. But at the 991 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.400 end of the day, you know, people's lives are people's lives, 992 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.559 and you know we are all human beings, and even 993 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.159 though we might take it with a grain of salt 994 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.519 and we might laugh back at you or laugh at 995 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.840 or laugh with you with the joke, it doesn't take 996 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.239 away from the effect of what the words can have. 997 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.599 Or maybe I'm just a softie. I don't know, but 998 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.039 you know you're. 999 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.280 Absolutely right, like, okay, a little bit of back, so 1000 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.119 grown up For me, I was always the smallest, slimmest 1001 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.119 in my family. Everybody had something like the you know, 1002 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.360 hit some type of body part was more developed than 1003 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:52.400 the next or whatever, or it was just like everyone 1004 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.679 was just you know, I was always the smallest. So 1005 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.719 for me, I had I was very chest heavy, but 1006 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:05.000 I was very skinny, so wearhing like eighty ninety pounds 1007 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.320 with a heavy chest. It's just like you would get 1008 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.559 picked on a lot being skinny, Like, hey, you need 1009 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:18.280 to gain weight. The amounts and measures that I had 1010 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.079 to go through for them to try to help me 1011 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:26.360 gain some weight was crazy, the most ridiculous thing ever. 1012 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.679 There was a moment where I did gain weight at 1013 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.519 one moment, and then they start to be like, oh, 1014 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.320 that's cause you know, she's doing something that she's not 1015 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.760 supposed to be doing. That's why she gained weight. And 1016 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.280 then in the stressing that I had, I remember I 1017 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.679 blacked out. I was just like this, I'm not doing this, 1018 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.599 I'm not doing that. And then next year I lost 1019 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.280 it and I was just like, oh, so, what's the 1020 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.280 issue was the cause of this up? You know, come 1021 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:56.960 to find out I have an overactive thyroid. I was like, oh, 1022 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.039 so it's like a health concern, but it's not too 1023 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.719 much of a health le something that's detrimental. Yeah, so 1024 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.480 instead of assuming ask questions in a way that it's 1025 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.800 not hurtful. And that's what sometimes people don't understand. It's 1026 00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.800 easier to make a joke and to make to laugh 1027 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.119 about it when they don't know. And that's that was 1028 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.480 the problem in Luther's case because later on it when 1029 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.440 they were just like, yeah, Luther was a diabetic, that's 1030 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.159 when they I remembered, oh, snap, Luther was a diabetic. 1031 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:28.800 Luther did have diabetes. 1032 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:35.239 Yeah, that's a struggle, a struggle. And then it's not 1033 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.960 only just a struggle that he dealt with, his entire. 1034 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:38.760 Family dealt with it. 1035 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.039 Like when you really like look into the family history 1036 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.760 of it, like that is something that it can be 1037 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:50.360 hard to shape. And the idea that he was able 1038 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.480 to deal with it with however, he was able to 1039 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.760 deal with it while also still pursuing his music career, 1040 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.239 you know, just speaks volumes about what he was put 1041 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:04.039 on this earth to do. And he didn't, let you know, 1042 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.360 his body defied him. And I thought that and I 1043 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.400 thought that was amazing. But I also feel like the 1044 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:12.559 way that we talk about celebrities to a degree, even now, 1045 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.920 when it comes to the choices they make. Well, you know, 1046 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.719 if their bodies are changing, we don't know what's going on. 1047 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.639 So I feel like, unless you are in a place 1048 00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:23.719 to ask him, you should just leave them alone, because 1049 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.199 you know, these may be celebrities back the end of 1050 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.920 the day, you know they're human beings as well. 1051 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.039 So yeah, something that I did. 1052 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.360 Want to address in the documentary to change it up 1053 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.159 a bit, I should have put it in the other 1054 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.639 order because on his first album he did have the 1055 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.239 cover of a house It's not a Home, And this 1056 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.000 was Dion Warwick's song originally, which was something I did 1057 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.639 not know You're again. I thought I grew up thinking 1058 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.760 this was his song, And so to find out that 1059 00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.039 this was his way of paying tribute to someone that 1060 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.159 he deeply admired as a singer in Dion Warwick, was 1061 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:05.239 just absolutely amazing. And of course she comes from a 1062 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:11.159 real family of singers as well, but just the idea 1063 00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:15.679 of him performing this song for her and her being 1064 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.159 in the documentary and being able to talk about it 1065 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.199 was just like absolutely amazing. And of course, at any 1066 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.840 random point in time, you can be on TikTok and 1067 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.800 then all of a sudden you'll see him and this 1068 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:30.840 performance from the NAACP Image Awards of him singing A 1069 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.639 House is not a Home live and he's just standing 1070 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:35.760 there in the suit, just singing. 1071 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:37.719 And that's it. 1072 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.880 And Dion is happy. They keep putting the camera on her. 1073 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.840 She's almost in tears or in tears because she's just 1074 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.159 so honored. And in the documentary she stated, look, this 1075 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:52.599 is the definitive cover of this song and you can 1076 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:52.920 have it. 1077 00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:55.119 Who else? 1078 00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:01.480 Nobody? Right, But you know it's crazy. I did not 1079 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:03.480 know that this was a cover. And I did not 1080 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.159 know that Superstar was a cover. 1081 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.639 Oh man, yeah right, Like hold on what Because. 1082 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:19.000 I love the music of the old because people will 1083 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:23.480 take it and make it their own. And you know, lately, 1084 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.960 I've been saying, I just love how black people. Black 1085 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:31.840 people put seasoning on everything song included. Because Louke ain't 1086 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:33.639 have to do what he did on Superstar. I ain't 1087 00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.719 have to do that. Whitney Houston. We're not even gonna 1088 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.880 talk about the Queen of remakes over there, Whitney Houston. 1089 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.320 I will always love you higher love. I forget the 1090 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:48.840 other ones. Oh I'm every woman. It's just like when 1091 00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:51.840 you this is why I'm like, I see why they mad, 1092 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:57.199 they're not us. I see why they're mad. But that 1093 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.079 was like a mind blowing thing to me, like, not, 1094 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.480 what did you only do one? But you did two 1095 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.639 covers and you made it your own to and it 1096 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:11.079 sounded like they were your songs, especially yeah and yeah. 1097 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.239 And he has an album actually called Songs, which are 1098 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.159 him doing just straight. 1099 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.519 Covers of other people's songs. It didn't get it didn't. 1100 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.039 Get a lot of attention as far as I was 1101 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:24.840 able to see in terms of research. But I do 1102 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.519 know he made one. Uh, he made a cover of 1103 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:28.760 love the one You're With. 1104 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.079 And it sounded like a gospel song, and that. 1105 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.400 Was featured in the documentary as well. Because he performed 1106 00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:38.159 live with a choir, and because I'm a choir junkie 1107 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.159 because I was in choir growing up, I was just like, 1108 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:42.199 I don't. 1109 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:45.159 Exactly. 1110 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.639 So it's just like the idea that he could just 1111 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.239 take people's songs and just make it a whole lot 1112 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.079 more and add. 1113 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.239 Extra seasoning to it, like you said, Krista. 1114 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.079 Like he was really good at it, and just the 1115 00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.599 idea that you can add extra seasoning to a song 1116 00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:03.360 that already had seasoning on it, like Dion is seasoning, 1117 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:07.800 but then you and your seasoning and it's just like yummy. 1118 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.000 Yeah. Luther was like the trinity to that song. He 1119 01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.880 was like the bell, pepper, the onions, the all of that. 1120 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:15.199 He was. 1121 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.440 He was the extra today. 1122 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.559 Tell me about it because you know, because the thing 1123 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:21.920 is for her to pass it towards him and say 1124 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.800 that that was that was like his version was definitive. 1125 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.880 Spoke volumes also Anyone who had a Heart. That was 1126 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:33.199 another Dion cover. And now when they went into detail 1127 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.440 about Superstar, you know, I mean that was the cover 1128 01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:39.880 from from the Carpenters, like my dad, you know about that. 1129 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.480 And so the thing with Theirs is that Theirs was 1130 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.639 you know, it was more sped up version Superstar, and 1131 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.920 whereas with Luther he slows it down because it's all 1132 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.519 about the anticipation, you know what I mean, and so 1133 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.800 like and throughout that song it's you know, it's nothing, 1134 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.519 but like you know, certain peaks and moments I'm like, 1135 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.599 you know, I mean like that, like out of all 1136 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.119 Luther songs, that's my that's my all time favorite. And 1137 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.000 also he even did a cover of a Stevie Wonder song. 1138 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.920 There was a song called Creeping that it was on 1139 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.920 nineteen five that. Come to find out, I to find 1140 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.159 out un till later that was a Stevie song from 1141 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.960 like the seventies, and so he so he did his 1142 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.760 own version. So the thing is, Luther, when you talk 1143 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.440 about somebode who's the king of covers, he was. He 1144 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.679 was definitely that guy, you know what I mean? So 1145 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.239 Superstar is my definitive go to, like the way that 1146 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.280 Billy genis from Michael Jackson and when Doves cried for 1147 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.719 Prince Superstars like that for me when it comes to Luther. 1148 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.280 Yeah, it's definitely. 1149 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.480 Yeah, go ahead, Chris No, I was gonna say, I 1150 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:45.000 definitely agree. I think what drawn me more to Superstar funny, 1151 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.519 funny but not funny. I think it's coincidental, and I 1152 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.079 don't know how if they matched it that way. But 1153 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.800 the woman of the Carpenters, I forget her name. She 1154 01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.559 also had to eat in disorder. She passed away from anarexia. 1155 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.000 Ar Carpenter, Karen Carpenter. She passed away from anorexia. So 1156 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:04.880 if you've seen that clip on how skinny she was, 1157 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.400 she was fighting anorexia the entire time. So you have 1158 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:13.000 a person who's fighting this unhealthy relationship with food, and 1159 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.440 then you have this person who is fighting this unhealthy 1160 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.480 relationship without food. 1161 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:19.320 You know. 1162 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.920 So to see that, I don't know, like in my 1163 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.679 mind it paralleled, but I just had to make that connection. 1164 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.639 Also Superstar, I feel like I was more drawn into Superstars. 1165 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.639 Like I said, I have the Pandora radio station. There 1166 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.800 was a live segment of Superstar when he was performed 1167 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:43.280 at Madison Square Garden and he just lets the piano 1168 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:47.519 have their solo, the pianists have her solo spot and 1169 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.199 mind you, that performs probably about between eight to twelve 1170 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:54.400 minutes long already. And when I heard that pianist and 1171 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.800 how he was just doing ad libs, It's just like 1172 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:03.239 Lutha Light, why couldn't we got married yesterday? Like it 1173 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.760 was just like the most amazing thing. Like his voice 1174 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.760 is just so timeless. Like I feel like, moving forward, 1175 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.800 I need to see documentaries like that. Like it touched 1176 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:18.639 on everything, and the undertone of the whole thing was 1177 01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.800 the weight, was his weight and his relationship status. But 1178 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.920 it still touched on the success of Luther Vandels And 1179 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.039 it was a sad part of it of course, where 1180 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.119 he said that any love was like his anthem because 1181 01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:36.000 that's what he wanted. He never had love, he never 1182 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.559 could experience love. And my heart broke for this system. 1183 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:41.159 And it was just like I hate that song now 1184 01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.079 because he wasn't just looking for love, he was looking 1185 01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:46.119 for any love just because he wanted to experience. 1186 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.920 It was and that was a sad part. 1187 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.239 And going back to Vond's point about and you guys's 1188 01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.360 point about the covers, like I'll never forget the first 1189 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:01.360 time I heard Stevie Wonder's version of Creeping, I was 1190 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:02.880 just like, why are you singing Lutha's song? 1191 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:04.679 Because I heard Luther's version first. 1192 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:08.320 Here're getting backwards, but either way, I was just like 1193 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.400 I heard Luther's version first, but then when I heard 1194 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.119 Stevie's version, I was like okay. And then the fact 1195 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:18.320 that Luther's same background for Stevie Wonder's song part time Lover, 1196 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.559 like it's almost like a it's not a duet, but 1197 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.079 then it kind of is one because you can clearly 1198 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:27.159 hear Luther da da da da da da da da, and. 1199 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.360 Then Stevie comes in with his part and I'm just like, this. 1200 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.800 Is just nuts. 1201 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:38.000 So much talent, just too much talent. Oh god, it's 1202 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.960 so much. But yeah, in getting to any love like 1203 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:46.000 that part really got to me because that's a song 1204 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:48.159 that I love to listen to that I get excited 1205 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.920 about because it's somewhat upbeat but still very much kind 1206 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:57.320 of slow. And you know, I like the song too, 1207 01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.599 because to a degree, I was just like, I thought, 1208 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:04.119 maybe it was just him just having hope for the idea. 1209 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.079 That maybe I can have this type of love. 1210 01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:10.159 But then when they showed the version of him performing 1211 01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.440 it live and the way that other people were talking 1212 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.559 about it, I was just like, oh, so, this isn't 1213 01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.400 that type of vibe at all. I've been listening to 1214 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.360 it with. I felt like I was listening to it 1215 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.960 with the wrong vibe for so very long because I 1216 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:31.320 was just like, WHOA, So he was longing for something 1217 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:35.280 that he felt like he couldn't have or just never 1218 01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:39.519 got to have in certain aspects of his life. And 1219 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:44.079 it's really that part really did make me kind of 1220 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.840 just sit down for a second and just think about, 1221 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:52.760 you know, the differences in how life was then for people, 1222 01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:56.079 and it was just like, man, like that is just 1223 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.639 so sad, Like I wish that. 1224 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:01.440 It could have been different for him. 1225 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.559 I really do, because for someone to sing so beautifully 1226 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.199 about love, for someone to have all of these songs 1227 01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:14.480 that people use in weddings and sing for their significant 1228 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.199 others and put in and then for people to use 1229 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:22.039 his music, sample his music, put it in rap songs 1230 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:25.719 that give off love, you know, within that, only for 1231 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:27.840 him to not have that romantic love. 1232 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.840 It's just like, wow, it's really saying. 1233 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:33.920 It's a sad thing, and I feel like everybody should 1234 01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.639 experience love. Like it's crazy. We're talking about this because 1235 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:40.639 I just shared a story from BLS's on the website 1236 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:43.760 now that my coworker le I just shared it on 1237 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:47.079 social how Pague la Belle was disappointed about her portrayal 1238 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:52.000 and the documentary. But I'm just like, you were the 1239 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:58.199 main one speaking about Luth Evangel's sexuality. You were the 1240 01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:00.320 main one who came on and was like, yeah, Luther 1241 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.280 was gay, Luther wanted this, he couldn't have that, and this, 1242 01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:05.800 that and that. We spoke about it, and I get 1243 01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:09.840 that that's your friend and you want him. You won it. 1244 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.239 I don't know what the reasoning or the purpose was 1245 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:19.920 behind it now like since he's passed, but you can't 1246 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:24.440 really be upset at something that you've said on TV 1247 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:32.000 or multiple times before, like you you said it on 1248 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.119 Andy Cohen sitting in between Sam Smith and Andy Cohen, 1249 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.039 like how are you how are you upset at the fact, 1250 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.159 like when I talked about his sexuality, Like how did 1251 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.599 you think you were not going to come up when 1252 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:48.760 you were the main You're the main one. Don't get 1253 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:52.000 me wrong. I love anti Patty, love anti Patty seeing 1254 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:57.280 how essence that's amazing. But you're a celebrity like you have. 1255 01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:01.719 These are recorded. Things will come back, so you know, 1256 01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:06.480 bite you in the faith sometimes unfortunately whether and I 1257 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.400 know you didn't mean no mouths and no ill will 1258 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.760 or no bad intention behind it, but you still said it. 1259 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.159 You still talked about his sexuality. Maybe that's something that 1260 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.920 he wanted you to take to the grave with you 1261 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.159 when it's time, when it's your time to go, you know, 1262 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.920 but for you to just kind of out him although 1263 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:25.399 he's not here in the in the present and the physical, 1264 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:28.800 it should it just shouldn't have been said. 1265 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.319 Absolutely not certain certain things you just like you said, 1266 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:35.680 just carries to the great buds. As much as I 1267 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.199 love Hey La Belle, she's an icon and everything like that, 1268 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.880 But the thing is you know, I realized words are 1269 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:44.159 weapons definite life from the power of the time. And 1270 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:46.000 so the thing is, you know, every word that you know, 1271 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:47.760 like type of word that you speak, is going to 1272 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.279 be recorded and so and the thing is for somebody 1273 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.159 to sit to sit there. She was super comfortable, you know, 1274 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.039 you know, being on a Andy Cohen show like that, 1275 01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.079 you know, to to you know, to say that. And 1276 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.760 this is because this is for you know what I mean, 1277 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.279 and being because a lot a lot of times people 1278 01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:10.119 say things by somebody that's not hear that they would 1279 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.520 never say in their face or in their presence, but 1280 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.159 while they're still around, you know what I mean. So like, 1281 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.319 you know, like if Luther was still here, I'm not 1282 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:19.640 speaking for him, of the thing is, if he was 1283 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.520 still here, especially with the age of the Internet, I 1284 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.319 seriously doubt that Patty would keep the same energy that 1285 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:29.239 she had, you know, with you know, with with with 1286 01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.239 with with those interviews. So it's just like, you know, 1287 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.840 you put those words out there, and so when they 1288 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:40.039 come back like a boomerang, you can't be you know, dumbfounded, 1289 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:40.960 like you're surprised by it. 1290 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:46.760 Yeah, And I remember when I first heard her say it. 1291 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:49.039 I was just like, huh, Like I was just like, 1292 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:52.000 why why would you bring that up now when he 1293 01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:56.960 can't speak on it himself. I literally feel like whenever 1294 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.439 you speak on something the which is why I feel 1295 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.399 like documentaries like this and interviews where people are speaking 1296 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:06.560 on celebrities who are no longer here, it's like they 1297 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:10.239 draw like it's like you walk a fine line because 1298 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.119 of course you want to be you know, you want 1299 01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:15.960 to speak about the comfort that you had with this person, 1300 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.680 but at the same time, you also have to know 1301 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.279 where to stop, and you have to know where the 1302 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.119 boundaries are. And in that moment, as much as I 1303 01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:28.600 love Patti LaBelle, love her down like that wasn't her 1304 01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.720 place to say that, Like as far as like nobody 1305 01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.239 in the circle, in the friendship circle ever truly said 1306 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:39.600 anything about his sexuality, like people had wondered about it 1307 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:43.439 for years, But even he said in the in the documentary, 1308 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:45.640 in the past interview, that is none of y'all damn business. 1309 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.239 And honestly, it should have just ended that forgive me. 1310 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.920 But you know, either way, it should have just ended there. 1311 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.279 Because when somebody says it's none of your business, it's 1312 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:55.039 none of your business. 1313 01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:56.399 And you just got to live with that. 1314 01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.880 And yeah, I remember hearing from my parents that whenever 1315 01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.680 he would come for concerts, girls would scream over him, 1316 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.000 you know, and love his voice because you know, he 1317 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.239 would sing about love and give off the impression he 1318 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.680 was singing tense to them as an entertainer. 1319 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:10.840 You know. 1320 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:15.000 But either way, you know, regardless, that should have been 1321 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:20.560 what truly mattered, even and I feel like he should 1322 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:25.399 have had control over that. And if he's not here 1323 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.439 to have control over that, then don't talk about it. 1324 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.239 It's not your place, too. And I just really wish 1325 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:36.039 that he lived in a time where he felt like 1326 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:40.159 he could have his success and truly be who he was. 1327 01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:44.680 And I can't help but think about the parallel of 1328 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.399 his story along also with Whitney Houston's too to a degree, 1329 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.479 because there was a level of success that both of 1330 01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.640 these people reached, but did not necessarily have a love 1331 01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:57.840 that was healthy for them, or a love at all 1332 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:00.880 that was truly authentic to who they were. 1333 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.920 And it's just so sad. 1334 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.399 Now, of course now it's a little bit different, but 1335 01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:10.359 at the same time, I really wish that they could 1336 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.159 have freely been who they were, because there's a part 1337 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:17.800 of me that hopes that maybe that could have I 1338 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:19.720 guess for me in a selfish way, like maybe that 1339 01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.159 could have kept them here to a degree. 1340 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:23.399 But I don't know. I'm not in charge of that. 1341 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.439 But either way, you know, I wish. 1342 01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.840 That they had felt okay enough and loved enough to 1343 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.600 truly be who they authentically were. But I know they 1344 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.640 have that freedom now wherever they are, so in speaking 1345 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:40.920 of that, another thing that I couldn't believe. 1346 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.520 Was how long it took him to win a Grammy. 1347 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.800 It was so funny that even in one of his 1348 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:52.439 live shows, his document his background singer saying it's about time, 1349 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:56.079 I was just like, that is so hilarious, but so sad, 1350 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.960 like the Grammys. But what's so funny is is that 1351 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:02.479 when they kept showing every time he was nominated for 1352 01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:03.359 a Grammy. 1353 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:03.680 It didn't win. 1354 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:07.920 It was like the categories he were in were always 1355 01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:12.600 so stacked with talents like Terrence Trent Darby, even though 1356 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.439 I know he doesn't go by that name anymore, or 1357 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.680 like James Brown, or like Stevie Wonder. So it was 1358 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.319 always heavy hitters back there. But the idea that it 1359 01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.159 took Luther such a long time to even get one, 1360 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.039 maybe even two Grammys is just it just nuts to 1361 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.279 even think about. So how did you guys feel when 1362 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.800 y'all found out like it took him so long to 1363 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.199 get one? 1364 01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:37.119 At this point, we're squaring up because why he had 1365 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:40.000 been nominated nine times and he went on the tenth time. 1366 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.479 What because while we at this point we squaring up 1367 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:48.600 because do y'all not know that this is Lutha, F 1368 01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:54.119 and vandros Like I'm so confused, Like to this day, 1369 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.720 I'm surprised that Diana Ross has never won a Grammy ever, 1370 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:05.840 Dana Russ has no Grammys to her name. Very surprised. 1371 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:12.439 So for Lutha to be overlooked nine times out of ten, 1372 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.479 that's that was the most craziest thing to me. Craziest 1373 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.279 thing to me. And then when he won his I 1374 01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:24.680 think the Grammy that he won four again was I 1375 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:26.560 think when he was working with Richard Markus shout out 1376 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.880 to Richard Marx because Penn game crazy, yes, and he 1377 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.079 couldn't even really enjoy it because that's when he had 1378 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:35.199 his stroke. Not saying that that was like the first 1379 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:37.039 Grammy that he won, because like you said, this was 1380 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:39.960 one of these were the first two but that last 1381 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.680 one that he won, he couldn't even enjoy it because 1382 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:46.800 he was recovering from a stroke. Like I don't understand 1383 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:48.880 what the Music Academy was about then. I mean someone 1384 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:52.159 still don't understand it now. But that's another conversation for 1385 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.079 another day. 1386 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:54.800 Hmm. 1387 01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:00.560 What they were talking about this, because yeah, see, for 1388 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.239 him to get nominated and for them to play in 1389 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.399 his face nine times like that, now only are we 1390 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:10.439 throwing hands with remembers, uh, throwing feet as well, because 1391 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:14.279 you know what I mean, SMI's side thirteen's to whoever 1392 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.720 was in you know, whoever was in charge of the 1393 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.720 voting committee. Because the thing is, of course, I'm glad 1394 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:23.239 he finally got that remy from here now. But if 1395 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.760 you look at some of his best, absolute best years, 1396 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:31.119 we're in the eighties, in the same time frame as 1397 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:37.399 Michael's Thriller, Princess Peple Rain, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, it's just like, 1398 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:39.920 you know, I know, the I know the table was 1399 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.520 super different stack, but for for him to be overlooked 1400 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:47.399 that many times, you know, which was it was just like, 1401 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.039 I mean, come on now, like that, like it ain't 1402 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.520 ain't ain't no way I get it. It taler Pool 1403 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:54.439 was deep, but come on, it had to be a 1404 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.800 certain point like in even like in like where that 1405 01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:01.039 Superstar the album Superstar was on whatever, at least he 1406 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:02.720 could have got, you know, gotten an R and B 1407 01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.399 album for that. Let Michael have the pop album for 1408 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:08.000 for thrillering and all that type of stuff. But at 1409 01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:10.760 least let Luther get get get something for one of those, 1410 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:13.399 you know what I mean. So it's just like like 1411 01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:15.960 I said, you know, and the Dinah Ross thing, I 1412 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.880 was very surprised to see me hear that. But yeah, 1413 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:20.920 like like I said, for him to finally get it, 1414 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:24.880 but come on now like this, that and and the 1415 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:26.960 thing is for Luther to still not be in the 1416 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.840 Hall of Fame yet, it is mind blowing. So hopefully 1417 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.800 this documentary will be a vehicle for you know, for 1418 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:35.800 for that, for that to come to come to play. 1419 01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.640 Yeah, he has a star. He's not in a rock 1420 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:39.439 and roll Hall of Fame. 1421 01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.279 No, not yet, I don't think so. 1422 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.159 Not yet. So he's got the Hollywood Walker Fame star. 1423 01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.039 But in terms of the rock roll Hall of Fame, no, 1424 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.119 not yet, not yet. That's like I said, that's another 1425 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.439 thing about the not the non Brandy Snubs and stuff 1426 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:57.000 like that. So you know, like like, hopefully this this 1427 01:16:57.039 --> 01:16:59.760 will be a vehicle, like some of the documentaries will 1428 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.640 be for other people like to go in you know, 1429 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:05.359 hopefully this would be a vehicle for that. But I'm 1430 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:08.520 just saying like, still, yeah, that's that's red fun. 1431 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.800 Yeah. It's insane how some of these institutions, you know, 1432 01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:17.279 take such a long time to give black artists their things, 1433 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:21.079 because oh my gosh, I'll never forget when Whitney passed. 1434 01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:25.079 I actually found so many Facebook pages that were sharing 1435 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:28.439 stuff about her because I was in deep sadness off 1436 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:32.800 of that. And I remember finding one Facebook page in 1437 01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:35.520 particular that was called induct Whitney Houston into the Rock 1438 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:37.880 and Roll Hall of Fame, and it was active for 1439 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.479 many years until she finally was so the idea that 1440 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.760 it was active, that page was active for about maybe 1441 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.680 I want to say, at least seven six to eight 1442 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:51.439 years after she had passed, pushing for her to get inducted. 1443 01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:54.119 And when she was finally inducted, that was when, you know, 1444 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:57.640 they you know, just unplugged the page and just the 1445 01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.720 idea that there are so many artists that are just 1446 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.760 put in a box in terms of the genres and 1447 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.159 not honored the way they deserve to be. It's like 1448 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.479 Beyonce really hit on something when she said when she 1449 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:12.239 had Linda Martell, Saint genres are a funny little concept, 1450 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:14.960 aren't they. I always go back to cowboy Carter. That's 1451 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.079 just like my new boy. 1452 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:22.279 Carter is a two no, But you're right, like one, 1453 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:25.520 I didn't know that Ludu was inducted into the National Blues, 1454 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:28.760 Rhythm and Blues Hall of Fame in twenty twenty one. 1455 01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:31.720 But for you not, not for them not to induct 1456 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.000 him and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after 1457 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:38.439 all of the jingles, after all the songs that he's written, 1458 01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:40.079 after all the people that he's been a part of, 1459 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.600 after all rock and roll celebrities he's been ad libbing 1460 01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.800 the thing and back round singers. 1461 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.680 For Like, why did it take so long for him 1462 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:50.600 to getting the R and B one? It's my question 1463 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.000 because twenty twenty one. 1464 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.680 Yeah, forty years artist. 1465 01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.680 Well you have to remember, yeah, like his album Technically 1466 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.239 Speak and it wasn't that long ago, but it was 1467 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.159 that long ago. If your first album's coming out in 1468 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:10.560 the mid eighties, mid eighties, like it may seem like 1469 01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.760 a long time. But literally, I'm born in you born 1470 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.760 and I'm born in ninety I understand, Like, right, I 1471 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:22.000 was born in ninety three, Okay, so that's thirty well, 1472 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:26.680 thirty five, thirty six, and thirty three, thirty two or 1473 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:31.239 thirty one. Yeah, Like that's not that long ago, so 1474 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.840 I can understand, like why it kind of took a 1475 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:37.359 little while saying I'm sorry. 1476 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.319 Sorry, thank you for saying it, because I can't tell you. 1477 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:40.600 Oh Jesus, I'm. 1478 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.000 Sorry, But it's not it's not that long ago when 1479 01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:45.319 it comes down to to thing like it may seem 1480 01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.720 like I could see if Luthevangel's first album came out 1481 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.479 in nineteen fifty eight, during the time where Sevnation was 1482 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.319 a really really heavy thing and they wasn't even trying 1483 01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:56.840 to hold black music to a higher regardings like they 1484 01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.199 have now, and it took him that long to be 1485 01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.680 inducted in an Blues and Rhythm and Blues Hall of 1486 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.720 Fame into twenty twenty one, I could see it. But really, nice, 1487 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.279 eighty five, it's really not that long ago. Every one 1488 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:12.079 still eighty not. 1489 01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:15.920 That wrong ago. Yeah, and you're right, Chris, thank you're welcome. 1490 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:16.960 I had to put them perspective. 1491 01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:18.520 That's right, right. 1492 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.760 And one more thing, one last thing also because the 1493 01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:24.159 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame their criteria, because because 1494 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.119 the thing is, I keep tabs on this stuff, you know, 1495 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:27.560 because you know, because I'm you know, like one of 1496 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:29.720 the people you know does the fan boats, right, So 1497 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.880 like usually maybe you know, send me emails as far 1498 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:34.600 as like you know, as far as stuff you know, 1499 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:37.000 like you know, the list to vote for and things 1500 01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:40.199 like that, right, and so you know, got kept tabs 1501 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.880 on like when ll finally got in, like when Whitney 1502 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:47.800 finally got in. Right, Their criteria is at least twenty 1503 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.039 five years since your very first album for the for you, 1504 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.239 the first for the first time to be eligible, right, 1505 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:56.760 And so I kept tabs with his first album for 1506 01:20:56.880 --> 01:21:00.319 your album nineteen eighty one whole time yet to be 1507 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:04.840 even on the boubt, right, And so like that, you know, 1508 01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:09.119 like I said, so that right there, and Whitney criterion wise, 1509 01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:11.680 really really she should have gone like in twenty ten, 1510 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.479 twenty eleven, you know, because her album came a come 1511 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:16.640 out in eighty five. So you know, so like when 1512 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:19.680 it comes to you know, the people that are you 1513 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.119 know behind behind these you know, boardrooms and stuff like that. 1514 01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:24.399 That's just you know what I mean like that, that's 1515 01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.520 just us mind blowing, you know, like to you know, 1516 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:30.760 to to realize that so you know, you do better. 1517 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.159 Yeah, it is mind blowing. But you know, at least 1518 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.359 he finally did get in. And what's so funny is 1519 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:41.079 there was that cute moment's background singers to have. And 1520 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.520 something that I did appreciate was seeing footage of his 1521 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:48.520 live shows because you know, sadly I did not. I 1522 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:51.600 was never able to attend the Luther show. But my mom, 1523 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:54.199 shout out to her, was able to attend two of them, 1524 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.880 one by herself and one was my dad, and she 1525 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:02.880 just always you know, parents, Oh please, if I could 1526 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:04.800 sit here and tell you all of the people that 1527 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:05.520 they have seen. 1528 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.760 Told me that she saw the Jackson's perform one year 1529 01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:14.720 and her favorite one is, uh was it Jackie Jackie 1530 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:16.840 or Jumaine? It wasn't Michael. I said, excuse me, ma'am, 1531 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:18.119 what but neither here? 1532 01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:21.159 Like, if I could just sit here and tell you 1533 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.479 the list of people that my parents have seen, like 1534 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:26.439 you you would it would just make you want to 1535 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:27.479 just just cry. 1536 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.000 But yeah, like my mom saw too. 1537 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:32.399 Don't get me wrong, I've been to a lot of concerts. 1538 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:36.560 I've probably seen them too. Who would not hear them? 1539 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.800 I never saw, never saw Michael, never saw Lutha, never 1540 01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:45.640 seen Did I see Whitney, Never seen Whitney, I've seen. 1541 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.039 I feel like I want to say asking the temptations, 1542 01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:53.399 I feel like I want to say that, oh wow, cool, 1543 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.640 who knows? Okay, we continue, I'm sorry, but yeah, like, 1544 01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.359 you know, just hearing how they felt, you know, at 1545 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.560 his shows everything, So seeing the shows pop up at 1546 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:07.000 in the documentary and just seeing how intricate he was 1547 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:10.760 with their rehearsals and how one of them, one of 1548 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:11.800 the musicians, said, you. 1549 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:14.119 Know, you were happy to come to work because you 1550 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:16.479 knew he was going to crack that whip, but you 1551 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:19.720 knew he did it out of excellence. And I appreciated that. 1552 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:22.359 And even when they went to London and he had 1553 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:26.760 the background singers dress up in those beautiful sparkly green dresses. 1554 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.079 You know, like he was just very intricate and very 1555 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:33.439 thoughtful about his performances, you know, in a way that 1556 01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:36.079 was very unique for the time, and it makes you think, 1557 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:39.000 you know about the people who we see perform to 1558 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.359 higher standards even now, and it makes you very appreciative 1559 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.279 of Luther and what he did for back then for 1560 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.039 live shows and just how he reached for excellence in 1561 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.199 his live shows. So I really loved that. So that 1562 01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:56.880 was a really cool part to hear about and to 1563 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.800 put together in my own life, just hearing my parents 1564 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:03.199 about him finally visually singing it. And then I found 1565 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.680 a clip on Twitter that somebody posted of an audio 1566 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.680 from his final concert where he was singing a verse 1567 01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:15.199 of Missy Elliott's work it, and it was the funniest 1568 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:18.880 thing I ever heard, and he called the song a masterpiece, 1569 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:22.159 and I was cackling on the phone. Do you hear 1570 01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:25.359 me cackling? So I do recommend for those who are 1571 01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:27.960 watching this, if you have not found that clip, please 1572 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.319 go find it. It will make your day and it 1573 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:34.520 will make you laugh and cackle because hearing Luther Vandross 1574 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:39.720 sing Missy Elliott's work it, it's just like bro It's nuts. 1575 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.119 And it also makes me wish that he had more 1576 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:44.319 time with people of the newer generation because could you 1577 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:46.600 imagine the amount of music this man would have made 1578 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:48.319 with more artists. 1579 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:52.479 And come out aside from Luther Vandros singing Missy Elliot's 1580 01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.439 working and being a part of that. You know Luther 1581 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:55.359 was a wrestling. 1582 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.239 Fan, Yes, yes, yes, Luther was me. 1583 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.359 Oh, smack guns on, you gotta stop this. I used 1584 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:06.720 to stop everything a nineties kick, growing from the nineties 1585 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.119 outside playing with your friends in the summertime. I'd be like, oh, 1586 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:12.119 it's nine o'clock, I gotta go Monday night, ro is 1587 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:13.920 coming on. I see how tomorrow or I see you 1588 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:17.000 when I get back when I'm done. Like, and I 1589 01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:19.039 didn't know that he was such a wrestling fan. I 1590 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:28.359 imagine Luther n w W like, hey, hey, Randy, imagine 1591 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:32.359 him in w W. E like imagining him sing just singing, 1592 01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:36.000 lift every voice because we ain't gonna do the national anthem. 1593 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:43.880 Let him sing lift every voice. Let him sing an 1594 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:44.760 entrance song. 1595 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:52.279 What oh my gosh. Now you know he would have been. 1596 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:57.960 Him singing somebody entrance music, like he could really revent Bianca. 1597 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:02.239 But as I'm on my own, you know, he could. 1598 01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:04.079 Have been on. He could have been on the New 1599 01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:04.680 Day track. 1600 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:12.279 Yep, right, oh yeah, the way I would have literally 1601 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:18.800 been praising or something because LUSA and thinking themes he 1602 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:22.079 could have been the new because he's so good at jingles. 1603 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:24.840 He could have been the new CFC. What was the 1604 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:27.119 CFC band? Who was doing the songs or. 1605 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:28.760 Death? 1606 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:34.279 Probably we would have had We would have had bops, okay, bops, 1607 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:40.479 endless bops, endless bops, like it's no changing, like who 1608 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.279 want to change from Luth Evangel's song theme. 1609 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.439 Song like this. Dude even talked about even ordering Wrestleman. 1610 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.279 Can you imagine if Luther had sung it like Wrestmen three, 1611 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:54.359 Arrestmen four, something like that, like come on. 1612 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.600 Now, okay, Like I'm sad because they gotta read the 1613 01:26:58.640 --> 01:26:59.840 Franklin this thing for them? 1614 01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:03.560 How did you miss Luthor doing America the Beautiful? Like 1615 01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:05.640 that would have ate Chris. 1616 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.039 But and just and just gave me chills because I 1617 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:09.720 don't know what them ads that have been hitting for. 1618 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.439 He would have been on a riff, a good three 1619 01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:17.319 minute rip and America Beautiful. 1620 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.279 And then on top of that he and then on 1621 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:22.079 top of that, he would have been in the audience 1622 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:22.680 last night. 1623 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:26.840 Y'all know he would have been there last night for sure. 1624 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:29.239 He would have been sat. 1625 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:35.960 If everybody last night, I would have literally threw the 1626 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:44.239 TV across the wall. If I would have sawte just 1627 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:50.560 to the nine, Okay, I would have child wouldn't rock 1628 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.600 and Luther would have had a shot. 1629 01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:55.560 Is just thinking. 1630 01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:00.319 I would have been in tears, tears, ugly cry, who's 1631 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:04.920 snap from nothing, nose everything like unhinged, unhinged. 1632 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:15.079 Behavior, unhinged. Yeah, lu in Vegas, come on now, I need. 1633 01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:16.520 To go because you're not doing this right now. 1634 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:17.640 We're not gonna stay handy this. 1635 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:22.760 Look, we have so much to still come back and 1636 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:23.239 say time. 1637 01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:27.159 I understand the excitement, but you know, even in the industry, 1638 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.159 like he would have been amazing on the song with 1639 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:32.720 Victoria Money because they both have, you know, the same 1640 01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:35.319 type of meticulous hearing with her as a producer and 1641 01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:36.000 a songwriter. 1642 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:38.399 That would have been an amazing deal. 1643 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.199 And even if he had the chance to work with 1644 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.479 Beyonce a whole lot more like he did a song 1645 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.880 a duet with her at the beginning of her solo career. 1646 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:52.439 Could I imagine I could you imagine how much more 1647 01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:57.239 they could have done together had he lived Lord crazy? 1648 01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.319 You know, he would have been on this cowboy car 1649 01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:01.319 all right, you know, he would have been on Renaissance somewhere. 1650 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:05.920 Oh my gosh, oh yes, him on Renaissance would have 1651 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.520 ate all the way down a house boots down. 1652 01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:12.760 If if you know the rumors and stuff were true 1653 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:20.279 about sexuality. Ohole m Renaissance album. I feel like he 1654 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:21.760 could have did a remixed Church Girl. 1655 01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:26.720 Oh yeah, that would have been spelt. But yes, you know, 1656 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.560 it's just like you know, like the like, the thing is, 1657 01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:32.159 he created such a for so many people, you know 1658 01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:34.640 what I mean. It's it's just it's just like you 1659 01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:37.520 want to talk about what if you want to talk 1660 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.159 about a huge what if? When? When when it comes 1661 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.520 to Luther Vandross in terms in terms of music wise, 1662 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:46.279 in terms of today's landscape, Oh my, Like, And the 1663 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:48.439 thing is, like I know Usher had a song on 1664 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:52.000 Professions called Superstar. It's like every time I every time 1665 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.720 I see that that title, the first thing I think 1666 01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:57.680 about is Luther Usher did a did a nice version 1667 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:01.359 of his own, but nobody touches that ninety eight three Superstars. 1668 01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.239 It's so funny, Like if they hit mashed that together, 1669 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.039 I just, oh god, I would have just wept because 1670 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:13.119 it's just Superstar. Superstar is like one of my favorite 1671 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.399 Usher songs of all time. Like if you play that 1672 01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:18.359 song like I am just like if anybody like, oh 1673 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:21.319 my god, if my boyfriend played that song before he 1674 01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:23.680 proposed to me, I'm passing out. 1675 01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:27.520 Hints. But either way, like. 1676 01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:39.319 When you hear that hints. 1677 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.239 Oh my god, but you know, it's just just thinking 1678 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.840 about that. It's just really lit. But then they also 1679 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:45.239 end the documentary discussed his jump from Arista Records to 1680 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:48.960 J Records, which at the time during the two thousands, 1681 01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:52.439 hip hop was becoming more of its own thing, and 1682 01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:55.000 R and B was sort of it was almost they 1683 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.800 were making it seem like if you didn't necessarily combined 1684 01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:01.359 with hip hop, then you didn't sssarily transition as well 1685 01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:05.960 to the charts during this time, so Luther was looking 1686 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:09.319 to sort of branch out more as an artist, so 1687 01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:12.479 he moved to Jay Records. That was all by Clive Davis, 1688 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:16.479 who was the famous manager of Whitney Houston and also 1689 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:19.840 Alicia Keys at the beginning of her career, and Ruben 1690 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.000 was also on this record label as well when he 1691 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.640 won American Idol too, and that was how I found 1692 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:28.840 out about them. So in the midst of him signing 1693 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:33.239 with Jay Records, he made the self titled album Luther 1694 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:35.239 Vandross and when I say this is like one of 1695 01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:40.000 my favorite album covers ever, it just is like you 1696 01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:43.319 got the blue background, you got the palm trees. He 1697 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:47.439 looked like he is ready to just have a great 1698 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:48.560 adult life. 1699 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:51.039 In this picture. 1700 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:55.479 And it had taken Me Out, well take You Out, 1701 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:59.359 which is just an iconic R and B song of 1702 01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:02.920 the two thousand. It also had can Heaven Wait. It 1703 01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:07.079 also had I'd Rather, which is one of my deep, 1704 01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:11.239 deep cut favorite Lutheran Draws songs like he came out 1705 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:15.000 here ready to slay the two thousands with this album 1706 01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:18.720 and it and here again it age as well. You 1707 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:23.000 can listen to it now and it sounds very very 1708 01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:26.960 current in terms of, you know, dealing with relationships in 1709 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.399 life and longing for love and asking people out. 1710 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:31.159 And I'll never. 1711 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.920 Forget in his music video for Take You Out, it 1712 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.479 was Garcel Boufa, just to bring it back to the 1713 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:41.359 Jamie Fox connection. And for a minute, you know, growing up, 1714 01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:43.520 I thought maybe they was going out for real and. 1715 01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:48.319 I was like yeah, but you know, I know. 1716 01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:53.399 It was like BT when we have music videos watching 1717 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:56.119 on BT Washington BT or is it the one to 1718 01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:59.720 come on at midnight? I can't remember now, but Midnight Soul, 1719 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.359 No Midnight Love, Midnight sound like it was Midnight Love, 1720 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:08.319 and then Park and dropping the video off. 1721 01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:13.199 And Park a j and Free. 1722 01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:18.199 Exactly you know what I mean. So I mean, yeah, 1723 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:20.600 you know like that that was definitely a revival of 1724 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:23.239 his career and and and the funny thing about it 1725 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:26.520 was that, you know, even early on Luther on the 1726 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.359 other end, Luther was known for, you know, for reviving 1727 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:31.960 other people's careers, like he did with Franklin, you know 1728 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:33.840 what I mean. So, like as far as as far 1729 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.159 as that, so so here it is like a full circle, 1730 01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:38.960 full circle moment where he's where he's having his own 1731 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.359 sort of excuse me expression ring renaissance if you will, 1732 01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:44.760 resurgence rather, you know what I mean. So so so 1733 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.880 as far as that, I mean, this was definitely you know, 1734 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.359 much need It was a preview of what we could 1735 01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.760 have had further down the line. So we talk about 1736 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:57.199 what Luther you know, could have been now that that 1737 01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.920 album would have been like the beginning point, you know 1738 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:02.159 of what we could have sing. 1739 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:07.760 Yeah, absolutely, like this album was so good and just 1740 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.640 the fact that he was, you know, being more modern, 1741 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:14.600 even to the point to where even Jay Z Excuse 1742 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:20.279 Me had a song called excuse Me, miss Rush himself 1743 01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:24.079 of him singing whisper singing the song or whatever and 1744 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.680 asking a lady out or whatever, like talking about how. 1745 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:34.720 He got two dishwashers. That's like the funniest song to me. 1746 01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:37.399 The funniest part of the song to me, like I 1747 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:39.960 got two dishwashers. Okay, what does that have to do 1748 01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.720 with me? But I mean, I guess it's impressive depending 1749 01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:47.479 on who you are. But but just having that and 1750 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:51.319 then having Pharrell, you know, produced produced that song as well, 1751 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:53.359 who was a great in and of himself as well 1752 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:59.000 in music like It's just Luther's start in the two 1753 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:02.960 thousands was pretty lit with that album, and just for me, 1754 01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:05.880 I felt like, you know, it was very current for 1755 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.039 me for where I was as an R and B 1756 01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:10.680 listener because in the two thousands that's where I became 1757 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:13.720 more exposed to R and B and more hip hop 1758 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.479 as well. So it was just a nice little time 1759 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.399 for me growing up and learning what that was. Because 1760 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.600 here again I'm late, so. 1761 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:28.520 It was behind me four years. Bahama, bah You're not 1762 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:29.039 that far. 1763 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:34.920 You're still there, You're right, but you know, just all 1764 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:37.760 of that, it was just really beautiful to see where 1765 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:41.399 he was going. But in the midst of him trying 1766 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.920 to create his second album, which was Dance with My Father, 1767 01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:49.199 he was up and down with his weight again, and 1768 01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:52.159 his friends were talking about that in the documentary as well. 1769 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:54.680 And in the midst of all the stress that he 1770 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:57.439 was dealing with with trying to finish the album on 1771 01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.840 time and trying to play and shows and all of 1772 01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.439 the above and promote what he could have been doing. 1773 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.039 He got sick. 1774 01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:16.159 Yeah, he suffered his stroke, and it was very devastating 1775 01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:19.279 to hear. I know, like I remember when it happened. 1776 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:21.199 It was all over the news. 1777 01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:24.560 You couldn't really like escape it at that point, and 1778 01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:27.600 a lot of people were very worried about, you know, 1779 01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:31.000 what could have happened to him in that regard. But 1780 01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:35.159 of course they addressed in the documentary that he was 1781 01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:38.239 rehabbing and trying to come back, even though there was 1782 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.640 levels of himself that wasn't the same in terms of 1783 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:46.199 speech or in terms of other things. But they did 1784 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:51.560 say that he was able to still understand people and 1785 01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:55.079 hear them speak, and also still understand music to a 1786 01:36:55.159 --> 01:37:00.640 degree as well. So he rehabbed for a number of months, 1787 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:06.199 and in the midst of him rehabbing, his album Dance 1788 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:11.840 with My Father was released, and this album wound up 1789 01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:15.960 being his final one, but it had a number of 1790 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.520 great hits on it, like think About You, which was 1791 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:25.039 written by Alicia Keys, and he had Lovely Day on there, 1792 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.920 and then he also had the song Dance with My Father. 1793 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:32.600 And in the documentary they talked about for the first 1794 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:37.000 time what his creative process was behind writing this song 1795 01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:42.239 and knowing that and just telling the story of his 1796 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.119 life and how much he loved his dad and how 1797 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.960 much he just enjoyed the relationship he had with him, 1798 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:51.319 even though it was cut short because his father passed 1799 01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:57.800 when he was eight years old. And just if you 1800 01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:01.119 have ever heard the song, it is very, very heart 1801 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:05.800 wrenching and it's very real. And then in the music video, 1802 01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:08.119 since he couldn't be in it due to his condition, 1803 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:13.960 he had people and other celebrities and family members dancing 1804 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.239 with their fathers in the video, because even Beyonce was 1805 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:21.079 in it dancing with Matthew. So this was probably the 1806 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:25.000 most one of the most authentic songs he had ever written. 1807 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:28.000 And his mama said in an interview and said that 1808 01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.680 I didn't even know he remembered any of that stuff, 1809 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:33.439 but the idea that it was put in this song, 1810 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:37.399 like she just cherished it, and even hearing it now, 1811 01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:44.439 it just makes you think about people who are close 1812 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:49.840 to you that you might miss on another plane. So 1813 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:53.760 this gained a lot of acclaim and a lot of 1814 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:56.720 fame during the time of which he was rehabbing, and 1815 01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.960 of course it did wind up winning him another grand 1816 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:02.119 I mean that we did mention that was accepted by 1817 01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:05.279 Richard Marx, who wrote the song with him, and he 1818 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.399 accepted it. But then Luther had a video where he 1819 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.880 talked about how he wished he could be with them 1820 01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:15.960 to accept the award, but he said, you know, when 1821 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:17.640 we say goodbye, it's never for long. 1822 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.439 Because I believe in the power of love. 1823 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.239 And he sang that part and my dad got excited 1824 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:24.760 at that part because he was just like, oh, this's 1825 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:25.960 mean he on his way back. 1826 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:28.079 But you know, either. 1827 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:34.159 Way, this was an iconic body of work. So Christa 1828 01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:36.640 and Vonn, how did you guys feel the first time 1829 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:38.079 you heard Dance with my Father? 1830 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:44.680 For me, I loved the song, but it, like you said, 1831 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:49.479 it was also a sad time because it was really 1832 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:54.359 around the time where he had his stroke, so you 1833 01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:58.039 he wasn't in the video. So they had all of 1834 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.840 these people who were who love of Luther, who had 1835 01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:04.279 their dads, and then Beyonce and her father was in it. 1836 01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:08.840 You had Grace and then Garcel Sorry, and then you 1837 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:12.640 had all these celebrities and they're like just reminiscing about 1838 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.319 their dads and sharing photos if their dads, if their 1839 01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:19.479 dads was no longer around. It hit a little bit 1840 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:22.039 different as I grew older, like as I lost my father, 1841 01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:26.800 Like I never danced with mine, but I get the 1842 01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:33.720 sentiment behind it and to touch on like the when 1843 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:37.920 Richard Marx accepted the Grammy, there was an interview that 1844 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.119 he did with that Luther did with Oprah and when 1845 01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.159 he was just like, I'm just living in this this 1846 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:46.319 new phase, knowing that this is the end, Like he 1847 01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:48.920 knew that he was not going to recover from this 1848 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:54.600 and for dance with my father to come out and 1849 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:57.800 he wanted that solely his for him and his mom. 1850 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:02.439 It was like damn, It's like dam are you giving up? 1851 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.800 Or you just solely know like this is it, Like 1852 01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:06.960 you solely know that you have to go on to 1853 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:10.640 the other side for this song to be that number, 1854 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:13.760 this song on this album to be to get that 1855 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:18.039 that pop crossover that you was looking for for the 1856 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:22.079 the longest while. So it's kind of aerie in a sense, 1857 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:27.720 just like Sam's Cook a change Gonna come. Bobby Womeck said, Yo, 1858 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.399 this is an aerie song, Like what do you like? 1859 01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:33.119 What's going on is so eerie? And then a few 1860 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:37.800 days later Sam Cook ends up being murdered in a hotel. 1861 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:41.039 Like I feel like a lot of these celebrities have 1862 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:44.279 premonitions and they know when their time is coming up, 1863 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.159 so they need to put out something that's going to 1864 01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:51.560 leave that staple behind. And Dance with My Father is 1865 01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:54.359 definitely one of those staples for Luther Vandros for sure. 1866 01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:57.239 Yeah. 1867 01:41:57.359 --> 01:42:02.840 So it's crazy that Stephanie happens to be talking, you know, 1868 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:06.880 like this this PROTECT podcast talking about Dance with My 1869 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.359 Father because I'm you know, Simon Tamsen watching nx T 1870 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:12.359 and there's a segment with with the rock and Eva 1871 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.319 watching absolutely right and and and I think about it, 1872 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:19.520 is you know, very funny how how that how that 1873 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:22.880 plays out right? And so and the thing the thing is, 1874 01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:24.520 when it comes to Dance with My father, Like you know, 1875 01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:27.239 my dad and I always had the tightest relationship. I 1876 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:29.920 mean I'm named after you know. First of first off, 1877 01:42:30.079 --> 01:42:32.520 like you I remember when I was a kid, like 1878 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:35.239 my elementary school they even had like this, you know, 1879 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:37.800 like a like father son breakfast before you know, I mean, 1880 01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:39.800 so that type of thing. So those those type of 1881 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:42.479 those type of you know, memories and relationship I have 1882 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.119 still have with them to this day and always right, 1883 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:47.479 so that so that you know, is always you know, 1884 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:49.560 that song is always always going to hit you know, 1885 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.560 differently with me. And it's great to see the video. 1886 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:55.960 They even had Damon Wayanams you know, you know in 1887 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.880 the video with his kids, right, and so everybody that 1888 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:01.520 you know that that was the type of Luther and 1889 01:43:01.800 --> 01:43:05.319 Beyonce and and everybody like that. But the thing is 1890 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:07.880 when it came to when it came to the song, no, 1891 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.920 you know now it's just like it's a bitter sweet 1892 01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.079 type of bitter sweet type of thing. And also like 1893 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:16.680 just to see you know, like when we realize, like 1894 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.039 they said the documentary, this is where Luther planet is 1895 01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:22.600 with like planet is flag and so and and and 1896 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.880 then just you know, because because apparently like he knew like, look, 1897 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:28.640 you know this ain't gonna be flong, just like when 1898 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:31.399 Michael did Michael did this is it like you could, 1899 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:33.960 like you already tell the title of it spoke for 1900 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:37.000 himself like he knew like this was gonna be the end. 1901 01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:39.319 This it's gonna be my you know, my small song. 1902 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:41.279 And so when it came, when it came to that, 1903 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:44.800 you know, like you know, for Luther, like you apparently 1904 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:49.279 he knew, you know, like like this the hourglast is 1905 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:53.319 running out, and so like like I said, it was, 1906 01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:56.439 it's great. It's one. It's great to hear, but sometimes 1907 01:43:56.439 --> 01:43:59.319 like looking back, it's kind of like hard too, knowing 1908 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:03.560 that this is the finality, like you know, I mean, 1909 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:06.439 you know, like I said, it just hits differently. 1910 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:10.920 Yeah, it definitely does hit differently. 1911 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:15.920 And my condolences to you, Krista, and. 1912 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:17.760 Thank you, thank you. 1913 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:25.399 Yes absolutely, like because I have watched people close to 1914 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:27.840 me have to deal with that type of loss and 1915 01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:35.159 it is one of the hardest things ever and I am. 1916 01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:38.319 And the thing with me and my dad, like we 1917 01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.800 watch me and my dad. Our thing was that we 1918 01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.279 watched wrestling together because he was the one who got 1919 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:50.479 me into it, and me and my dad is like, 1920 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.760 even though we're different, because we just we just have 1921 01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:57.960 different personalities. I just feel like I love my parents 1922 01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.600 so much, like it's always been a and also my 1923 01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:05.000 sister as well, like it's always been us. So the 1924 01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:08.680 idea of going through that type of loss, it's just 1925 01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:11.000 like I just can't even imagine it. So I just 1926 01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:15.640 try to cherish as much time, you know, as possible, 1927 01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:19.239 because you just never know. And you know, but the 1928 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:21.640 thing that always stays with me is that you know 1929 01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:25.479 that that love is always there and it always connects you. 1930 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.439 And clearly when it came to Luther, he was writing 1931 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:31.600 that song and he created this album from a place 1932 01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:35.479 of love and the love that he shared with his father, 1933 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:39.720 you know, it's still very much real. And even though 1934 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:41.760 you know, he was sick and all the above, and 1935 01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:44.079 he couldn't really enjoy the success of the album that 1936 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:48.600 he normally would have, you know, in a will mindset, 1937 01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:52.039 there was still the idea that he made this accomplishment. 1938 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:58.279 But he had made his peace, so in making peace 1939 01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:02.479 with that, as he you know, even still tried to recover, 1940 01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:09.000 but still making peace with that. He passed away in 1941 01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.560 July of two thousand and five, and I remember where 1942 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:14.399 I was when I heard the news. I was at 1943 01:46:14.439 --> 01:46:19.479 my Big Mama's house and my mama had well, actually no, 1944 01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:23.359 my cousin had picked me and my other two cousins 1945 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:27.960 up from girl Scout camp, and so we came home 1946 01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.359 to Big Mama's house and then Mom was getting ready 1947 01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:31.840 to pick me up, and then the news was on 1948 01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:34.840 and they had announced that he had passed away, and 1949 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:38.039 my mom just gasped and she could not believe it. 1950 01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:42.079 And I could kind of see that she felt away 1951 01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:43.880 about it, because of course it was an artist that 1952 01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:48.399 she loved. And then my dad, I found out. He 1953 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:51.920 was at work when he heard the news. My dad famously 1954 01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:54.760 said that when he found out about it, he went 1955 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:59.399 outside the parking lot and yelled a really bad word. So, 1956 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:04.760 you know, people have their ways of mourning in the moment. 1957 01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:10.279 And yeah, it was just a very real outpouring of 1958 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:13.439 emotion that took place on the radio. You heard his 1959 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:18.720 music everywhere. You couldn't escape it in that, you know aspect. 1960 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:22.079 There were tributes all over and as a kid then 1961 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.720 I didn't fully process it. But the older I got, 1962 01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:28.960 the more I really begun I had. It's like I 1963 01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:31.560 knew I appreciated his art, but I was still little 1964 01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:35.600 and had not matured, you know, enough to fully appreciate 1965 01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:38.239 that art. But now that I'm much older and over 1966 01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:41.399 the years, I totally get it. And in the documentary 1967 01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:45.920 they showed his funeral and the outpouring of emotion of 1968 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:49.680 seeing fans, you know, even touching his heart and everyone 1969 01:47:49.720 --> 01:47:53.239 who came out to sing at the funeral, along with 1970 01:47:53.359 --> 01:47:58.640 Dion Warwick speaking at it, Sissy Houston, Whitney Houston's mother 1971 01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:01.640 singing at it, with the choir and everything. It seemed 1972 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.039 like it was a very beautiful service. But his friends 1973 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:07.279 stated that, you know, they were just too full of 1974 01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.520 emotion to really even process what was going on that day, 1975 01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:12.399 which I completely understand. 1976 01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:19.840 She got herself that day. She didn't even remember, like 1977 01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:22.960 she don't. Her memory of that day is kind of like, 1978 01:48:24.159 --> 01:48:26.880 you know, like you remember where you were. I don't remember. 1979 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.800 You said it was July twenty. 1980 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:31.880 Two, two thousand and five. 1981 01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:39.840 Yeah, so I was fifteen July. It depends on when, 1982 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:44.920 because I know July was my mom's birthday. Mom, so 1983 01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:47.520 I don't know if I was like with her. I 1984 01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:50.560 feel like it depends on the date. Thirty passed I 1985 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.600 feel like I was probably with my mom because she 1986 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:57.279 probably came down to visit or something. Well, I do 1987 01:48:57.399 --> 01:49:00.640 remember being outside. I probably was outside fifteen years old, 1988 01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.439 so outside. I do probably remember being outside somewhere. But 1989 01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:09.560 I don't remember where I was when I heard it. 1990 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:12.800 And that's probably a sad thing for me, because I 1991 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:15.920 kind of remember where I was where I like when 1992 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.199 other people passed away. Aliah, I remember I was in 1993 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:22.000 the house. My brother came to the house to talk 1994 01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:24.039 it to my sister, like, yo, well Leah passed away. 1995 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:28.039 I saw it on the news, Biggie Biggie down on 1996 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:33.520 my seventh birthday, So I know that. Yeah, uh Tupac. 1997 01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:38.079 My brother loved Tupac, So I remember that. Michael Jackson, 1998 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:42.119 don't even get me started, please, I just know where 1999 01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:44.840 I was. So for Lutha, like, I really don't remember 2000 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:46.920 where I was or how I heard that he passed 2001 01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:49.279 on that I'm gonna have to go and try to 2002 01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:54.239 unlock a memory. But it's still like a it's still 2003 01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:58.960 a detrip. It's still sad because Luther was so young, right, 2004 01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:02.359 He's only in his fifties. If I'm not mistaken, like 2005 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:05.199 fifty three or fifty two or something like he was 2006 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:10.800 fifty four, Like I'm just like yo. And then I 2007 01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.560 actually was in well years later, I wasn't at the funeral. 2008 01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:17.439 I actually was in the church that his friend would 2009 01:50:17.439 --> 01:50:21.039 take place at to see to thee in person conversation 2010 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:23.760 with Angela Davis, And as I'm looking it up, I'm like, yo, 2011 01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:26.479 this is the same church that luth Vangrels was. They 2012 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:31.560 had luth Vandrols service at, Like wow, right up in Harlem. 2013 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.359 Like it's such a I don't want to say it's 2014 01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:39.800 such a sad thing just to quote Superstar, but it is, 2015 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:42.760 like it is such a sad thing to know, like 2016 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:47.600 he has so much more life to live, and because 2017 01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:52.039 he puts so much stress on himself trying to please others, 2018 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:55.880 and those conversations wouldn't have been those conversations weren't had 2019 01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:00.479 we lost him at a young age message age. 2020 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:07.600 Yeah, speaking of you remember where you were? I remember 2021 01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:11.279 where I was. My founder Luther died. Matter of fact, 2022 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:14.239 it was it was. It was in the summer. I 2023 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:16.359 was going to the mall my parents, right, and I 2024 01:51:16.479 --> 01:51:20.319 was I was sixteen fifteen going on sixteen July first, 2025 01:51:20.760 --> 01:51:22.840 so my birthday July twenty, so you know, might as 2026 01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:26.520 well six sixteen right round up. You know, so we 2027 01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:28.760 just you know, actually happen to be driving and you know, 2028 01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:31.359 get the news to find out about it. Uh, you 2029 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:33.279 know what I mean. So like I because I you know, 2030 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:35.640 grew up you know, listen listen to listeners music when 2031 01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.199 we talked about early on, you know what I mean, 2032 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:41.840 So and so like to find that out just so 2033 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:46.439 sudden it was. It was painful because Luther, it was 2034 01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:49.439 fifty four, he was. Matter of fact, he died four 2035 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.760 days before my dad's birthday. My dad's persons birthday is 2036 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:55.600 July fifth, so so he died four days before my 2037 01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:58.960 dad's fifty second, fifty second birthday at the time. Right, 2038 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:01.920 So Luther was bornineteen fifty one. Day was born nineteen 2039 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:04.800 fifty three. My mom was born nineteen fifty four, right, 2040 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:08.079 so you know, like that that close, you know, age wise, 2041 01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:11.319 you know, like it was just insane itself. And the 2042 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:14.039 thing is, as far as Michael, I know, I was 2043 01:52:14.079 --> 01:52:15.880 working at Target at the time, so I think I was. 2044 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:17.039 I was off that day. 2045 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.760 Yeah yeah, so the time too, I didn't know my 2046 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:22.359 mife was muted. 2047 01:52:22.479 --> 01:52:24.720 Oh yeah, go ahead, yeah, but but yeah, Like, like 2048 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:26.720 I said, that's like two thousand and nine. I was 2049 01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:28.439 working a target at the time, you know, like I 2050 01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:30.600 think I was off or whatever or just gotten off 2051 01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:33.920 and find out that Michael had died and his and 2052 01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:37.439 his another my blowing thing, right, So you're talking about this, Uh, 2053 01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:42.840 Prince died on April twenty first, between sixteen. That was 2054 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:45.520 the that was the day after what would have been 2055 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:52.760 Luther Vandross's sixty fifth birthday. So yeah, and I remember 2056 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:54.920 remember that day very well. So like when it comes 2057 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:58.079 when it came to Luther, oh absolutely, I could almost remember, 2058 01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.720 like you know, seats you know, almost received in terms 2059 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.920 of like where it was and stuff like that. So 2060 01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:08.680 it's it's still surreal to realize this dude is still 2061 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:14.520 not it's not here. And what more we could you know, contributions, 2062 01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:16.279 you know, we could have seen from him as far 2063 01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:18.640 as being not just a singer boss with a songwriter 2064 01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:21.479 and producer for for a munch of these other artists 2065 01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:24.560 that will that will follow later on. I mean imagine 2066 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:28.079 him songwrighting, doing songwriting for us, you know what I mean, 2067 01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:31.199 that kind of thing, and you know, and and other 2068 01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:33.079 people other people that you can think of that you 2069 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:36.319 can name. I mean, like yeah, so as far as 2070 01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:38.840 you know, remember when I was absolutely. 2071 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:44.000 Yes, so in the midst of all of that. 2072 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:50.479 Since I think it's very poignant how this documentary was 2073 01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:54.039 aired on television on New Year's Day and it's twenty 2074 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:59.760 twenty five, which now marks twenty years since he's passed, 2075 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:07.399 and I am watching this documentary and watching even just 2076 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:10.600 the way it ended, and watching all these people talk 2077 01:54:10.640 --> 01:54:14.880 about how much they loved him and just talk about 2078 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:18.319 how musically he just gave so much of himself. It 2079 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:22.520 just meant a lot, and it just gave so it 2080 01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:24.800 just showed so much. I feel like it was just 2081 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:27.880 filled with all the love that I felt in my heart. 2082 01:54:27.640 --> 01:54:30.279 For Luther, and just knowing that other people felt the same, 2083 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:31.520 it just felt really good. 2084 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:34.000 So it was. 2085 01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:38.720 It was definitely an emotional watch for sure. But his 2086 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:41.920 life was well lived. Though it was short, it was 2087 01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:46.239 still well lived. He did what he came here to do, 2088 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:52.199 which was be himself, be excellent, and be an amazing singer. 2089 01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:55.079 And as far as I'm concerned, he is the king 2090 01:54:55.159 --> 01:54:58.119 of R and B. You know, like, forget what you 2091 01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:01.439 heard about anybody else is king of our beings. You know, 2092 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:05.359 and yeah, he gave what he gave, and what he 2093 01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:09.039 gave was great, and his influence will live throughout the 2094 01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:11.960 generations and his music speaks to that. 2095 01:55:12.680 --> 01:55:14.640 His impact speaks to that. 2096 01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:20.359 And this documentary speaks to that. And I'm just really 2097 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:23.199 happy that now we live in a time where we 2098 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:26.079 can go back and look at documentaries, look at music, 2099 01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.600 and even listen to current music and hear his voice 2100 01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:30.640 and his influence. 2101 01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:32.119 Like, it's not. 2102 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:34.760 Lost on me that in the midst of all the 2103 01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.560 drama with Kendrick Lamar, we got a song where he's 2104 01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:42.119 sampled if this love were mine, Like, like that's something 2105 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:46.199 that you know, just doesn't that just it's not lost 2106 01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:46.920 on me at all. 2107 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:47.840 So I'm just. 2108 01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:51.479 Really grateful that we had him for as song as 2109 01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:53.479 we had him, and we still have him even though 2110 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:57.319 it's not in the physical and we can live our 2111 01:55:57.399 --> 01:56:01.319 beautiful black lives and love his music and love him 2112 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:06.239 forever for always, for love. And with that in mind, 2113 01:56:06.359 --> 01:56:08.159 thank you guys so much for watching. 2114 01:56:08.279 --> 01:56:09.680 If you're watching live, thank you. 2115 01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:11.520 I know there's a lot of other stuff going on, 2116 01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:13.680 especially even NXT happening. 2117 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:16.840 Like oh my god, like I but either way, thank 2118 01:56:17.039 --> 01:56:17.479 all of you. 2119 01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:20.760 So much for watching this very different episode of HWUP. 2120 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:25.039 Extra thank you guys Krista and Vaughn for coming on 2121 01:56:25.239 --> 01:56:27.960 and talking with me about this and being game to 2122 01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:28.840 even do an. 2123 01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:29.680 Episode like this. 2124 01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:32.880 So it can just just tell everybody where they can 2125 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:34.880 find you and follow you and what you guys got 2126 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:35.359 going on. 2127 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:40.159 Okay, you can follow me MS christ B, MS Underscore 2128 01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:43.319 kr I s t a B Underscore on Instagram, M's 2129 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:46.560 Underscore kr I s t a B on Twitter. You 2130 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:49.359 can follow those wrestling girls on every stream of platform. 2131 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:52.960 Also make sure you follow my other platform, unapologetically Eclectic. 2132 01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:55.600 I am doing my third annual Take Up your Space, 2133 01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:58.760 Take Up your Space this brunch and panel. The tickets 2134 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:02.000 went on sale to day, so yeah, I'm very excited 2135 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.840 about it. It's going to be a women empowerment brunch 2136 01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:07.840 and panel. But the guys can come out. They can 2137 01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:11.840 come support these women, these talented, amazing, beautiful Black women 2138 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:14.760 and stand around us as a part of the community. 2139 01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:18.640 So please make sure you follow all me everywhere and 2140 01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:21.000 Steph thank you for having me. I love talking music 2141 01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:23.920 and documentaries and Lutha and everything, so thank you. 2142 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:29.800 So of course you can follow me on Twitter as 2143 01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:31.560 it says and up on the bottom of my name 2144 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:33.680 at three or one, King bon Jr. You can follow 2145 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:35.840 me on Instagram at mister King bon Jingior. I'm the 2146 01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.840 hosted to be Victorious Ones podcast. 2147 01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:42.079 We consistently do episodes on you of course on on Wednesdays, 2148 01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.119 you know, about eight oh five, and so of course 2149 01:57:45.159 --> 01:57:48.000 I'm also you can follow the show's Twitter page at 2150 01:57:48.039 --> 01:57:50.680 Victory Pop one and of course you can follow. 2151 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:54.079 The show's Instagram page at Victoria's Ones Podcast. And so 2152 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:56.119 so of course I'm gonna be doing an episode, uh 2153 01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:59.439 you know, coming up this week in terms of giving 2154 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:02.479 my review of Raw on Netflix and also on my 2155 01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:07.319 show on my podcast. I've done the Luther documentary documentary 2156 01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:11.199 documentary review after after I saw the special screening back 2157 01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:14.159 in November, and so so so so as far as that, 2158 01:58:14.319 --> 01:58:15.760 like I said, you know that, those are some of 2159 01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:17.680 the things, those are some of the main things I'm doing. 2160 01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:21.000 I'm also work finishing up some articles about New Day 2161 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:23.159 as well as as well as Randy Orton just to 2162 01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:26.279 name a few, you know. So of course we'll be 2163 01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:30.720 updating my top fifty wrestlers uh you know lists sometime 2164 01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:33.239 after wrestling it. So so those some of the things 2165 01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:36.119 I'm doing as well, so you do always hear support 2166 01:58:36.439 --> 01:58:39.359 and thank you very much, Steph, because I've been looking 2167 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:41.279 forward to talking about this, so thank you very much 2168 01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:44.079 for this platform. 2169 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:47.439 Absolutely, and of course y'all know you can follow me 2170 01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:50.800 your girl Stephanie Harty on Instagram and Twitter, slash x 2171 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:54.239 at Queen step Party, Listen to the show, the Hardy 2172 01:58:54.279 --> 01:58:59.199 Wrestling Podcast and other episodes of HWB Extra everywhere you 2173 01:58:59.239 --> 01:59:03.600 get your podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, all of the 2174 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.960 audio places, go and find it and subscribe to the 2175 01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:10.039 YouTube channel which is the Hearty Wrestling Podcast with the 2176 01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:14.319 logo that you see in the corner over there. And 2177 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:17.399 just check out my episode that I did put out 2178 01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:21.319 yesterday about the Raw on Netflix premiere because it was 2179 01:59:21.359 --> 01:59:24.640 a time and it was great, So please go listen 2180 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:27.560 or watch that and just continue to be on the 2181 01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:31.600 lookout for what else I might have going on, read 2182 01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:35.079 all my articles at DAILYDDT dot com, and just continue 2183 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:37.640 to support your girl. As you know, we continue to 2184 01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:40.600 change the game. I think a new episode of stephan 2185 01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:43.000 Kat Talk Wow will be coming out tomorrow as well, 2186 01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:45.439 so be on the lookout for that, unless, of course, 2187 01:59:45.479 --> 01:59:47.640 we announced that there's a schedule change but either way 2188 01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:50.520 be on the lookout for that as well. And thank 2189 01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:53.520 you guys so much for watching this very different episode, 2190 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:55.920 and of course, and if you have not watched this documentary, 2191 01:59:56.319 --> 02:00:00.439 please do. It's very emotional but very joyful at the 2192 02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:03.439 same time, and if you love Luther, you'll love it. 2193 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:06.880 So of course, this has been the Hardy Wrestling Podcast 2194 02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:10.439 Extra with your Girl Stephanie Hardy and christ By and 2195 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:15.159 Vaughan and until next time, bye y'all.