Speaker 1: Oh is it show die? People pay good money to
Speaker 1: see this movie. When they go out to a theater.
Speaker 2: They want cold sodas, pop popcorn, and no monsters in
Speaker 2: the protection booth.
Speaker 3: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 1: Cut it off, Doctor Botson.
Speaker 4: You can't imagine how pleased I have to see this
Speaker 4: is doctor Matthewson. Actually that's doctor Buckley.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, Sat.
Speaker 5: There are two kinds of people out there with a
Speaker 5: special gift. Are the ones who really think they have
Speaker 5: some kind of power and the other guys who think
Speaker 5: we can't figure them out.
Speaker 1: No, Leo, correct your position. You're right, Richard Vargas, I'm
Speaker 1: calling which as the name of God.
Speaker 4: They're both wrong.
Speaker 6: So have you been working for mathis amon? Or are
Speaker 6: you a psychologist too?
Speaker 3: Or magician?
Speaker 7: Actually I'm a physicist.
Speaker 3: So why do you do this?
Speaker 7: Investigate big paranormal stuff.
Speaker 5: Simon Silver, perhaps the most celebrated psychic of all time,
Speaker 5: will visit us here in just under three weeks.
Speaker 4: There will be a mad rush for tickets.
Speaker 5: Are there no real challenges left out there?
Speaker 1: Silver is a real challenge.
Speaker 8: Silver has already been investigating.
Speaker 3: Like thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: We should investigate him.
Speaker 6: Now work out about Silverton. There's certain things that's better
Speaker 6: not to know.
Speaker 5: He's dangerous to stay away from.
Speaker 7: There's only one way, okay, any access to the truth.
Speaker 2: You've forgotten lot like, Yeah, looked to get.
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Tementing me? Are you pre getting my fower?
Speaker 8: So welcome to the projection booth.
Speaker 7: I'm your host. Mike White joined me once again. Is
Speaker 7: mister rod.
Speaker 4: Lott you paint?
Speaker 1: Don't you?
Speaker 7: Also back in the boot? This is mister Ryan Lewis Rodriguez.
Speaker 3: Hello, sir, We are working our.
Speaker 7: Way through another month of Patreon request with one from
Speaker 7: James Brummel. Red Lights this twenty twelve film flew under
Speaker 7: my Radar, written and directed by Rodrigo Cortes. It's the
Speaker 7: story of a pair of psychic debunkers played by Sigourne
Speaker 7: Weaver and Killian Murphy, who attempt to show the world
Speaker 7: that Simon silver played by Robert de Niro, is not
Speaker 7: the blind miracle worker he claims to be. We will
Speaker 7: be spoiling this film as we go ahead, So if
Speaker 7: you haven't seen Red Lights and don't want anything ruined,
Speaker 7: track down the movie and come on back after you've
Speaker 7: seen it. We will still be here. So, Rod, when
Speaker 7: was the first time you saw Red Lights and what
Speaker 7: did you think?
Speaker 4: I first saw it forty eight hours ago, Like you,
Speaker 4: this was one that I think I had heard about,
Speaker 4: but I don't think it ever really got like a
Speaker 4: full blown theatrical release here. I thought it started okay
Speaker 4: and I was really into it, and then just kept
Speaker 4: falling apart as it went on and on. I assume
Speaker 4: we'll talk about all those things, but in general, the
Speaker 4: stakes of this movie are just strange to me. They
Speaker 4: don't seem rooted in in any semblance of reality. The
Speaker 4: sheer amount of media scrutiny that these paranormal investigators get,
Speaker 4: especially that they work at a college, just as outlandish.
Speaker 4: The movie treats Robert de Niro's characters like Uri Geller
Speaker 4: where Taylor Swift, their efforts to debuonk not only news
Speaker 4: but front page news and lead story news at that
Speaker 4: it's an odd mix. I'd say I'm mix on it,
Speaker 4: but probably a little more negative than positive overall. And Ryan,
Speaker 4: how about yourself?
Speaker 3: Just like Rod, I first saw this forty eight hours
Speaker 3: ago because I wanted to keep it fresh in my mind,
Speaker 3: and that comparison to Taylor Swift, did they Robert Junior
Speaker 3: A character is very apt. I can't understand why the
Speaker 3: world would really give a shit this much. It's like
Speaker 3: being obsessed with Chris Angel. Yeah he does that, he
Speaker 3: does sure whatever. Okay, about halfway through it makes a
Speaker 3: dramatic shift, and immediately I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: not okay. Oh boy, Oh we're in for a ride here.
Speaker 7: I look forward to hearing about those shifts, because yeah,
Speaker 7: I totally never had heard of this film before until
Speaker 7: James requested it. Picked up the DVD which had some
Speaker 7: extras on there so we could watch those I think
Speaker 7: what like twenty minutes of extras.
Speaker 3: So it's all people saying the same thing. Oh god, Yes,
Speaker 3: he has such a vision, he said. He's so true
Speaker 3: to his vision, and he knows how to direct actors,
Speaker 3: and so you're an actor, of course you're gonna say that.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It almost felt like they were all reading from
Speaker 7: the same three x five card. It was like, oh,
Speaker 7: and no accent. Rodrigo speaks perfect English and then I
Speaker 7: don't know were there subtitles on the extras, but English
Speaker 7: all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's almost as if the camera panned over you
Speaker 3: saw somebody holding a pistol to their head and then
Speaker 3: the camera pans back over.
Speaker 7: It's so funny that Elizabeth Olsen is barely in those
Speaker 7: extras as well, and she's probably one of the bigger
Speaker 7: stars that are in that movie now compared to where
Speaker 7: it was. And then Killian Murphy. Of course I can't
Speaker 7: remember did he win the Oscar for Yeah?
Speaker 3: He did Openheim?
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, yeah, And it always throws me when
Speaker 7: every speaks with his real voice, because I'm just, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's Irish. I forget about those things. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 7: this was an interesting one. It's interesting that this comes
Speaker 7: out a year before The Conjuring, and I guess like
Speaker 7: debunking psychics and horror movies was a thing back then.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't consider this a horror movie. I would consider this
Speaker 7: maybe a thriller. Maybe it gets in thriller. Yeah, gets
Speaker 7: into some creepy stuff and not too bad. There's a
Speaker 7: lot of dead birds, so if you don't like any
Speaker 7: sort of bird violence, you might not want to check
Speaker 7: this one out. But I think they were all stunt birds.
Speaker 7: I think they were well paid for all their hard
Speaker 7: work that they did.
Speaker 3: They were refugees from the cast of Burdemic a little bit.
Speaker 7: Better than that.
Speaker 4: I definitely got a conjuring vibe off that opening prologue,
Speaker 4: which I really liked. I was really into that part
Speaker 4: of it. I thought the whole movie's like this, it's
Speaker 4: X files e as well, and especially the title sequences.
Speaker 4: I was like, if this is Killian Murphy and Sigourney
Speaker 4: Weaver debunking for an hour and a half, I'm in.
Speaker 4: And like Ryan said, it's not. It does take a shift,
Speaker 4: but I definitely got that d and Loring Warren sense
Speaker 4: about it in that beginning, and it does play out
Speaker 4: like that. At first, it does feel like a horror
Speaker 4: film and then yeah, ultimately it's immediately not one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then my notes, I haven't seen the Conjuring in
Speaker 3: eight plus years, but that feels better. And those are
Speaker 3: terribly dishonest.
Speaker 7: Well, those are based on real people as well, real fakes. Yes,
Speaker 7: and this is much more in that James Randy the
Speaker 7: Amazing Randy type of school where it's we're going to
Speaker 7: debunk these guys, and yeah, to your point, where it
Speaker 7: had it been an hour and a half of them
Speaker 7: just going around and witnessing all this paranormal stuff and
Speaker 7: them and being like, oh, they're actually doing it this
Speaker 7: way and then show you how everything comes together. That
Speaker 7: would have been cool. I would have really enjoyed that.
Speaker 7: And maybe they come up with the case that stumps
Speaker 7: them and that's the majority of it, and then they
Speaker 7: finally figure out, like through detective work or hard work,
Speaker 7: they figure out, Oh, Okay, it's actually this is what's happening.
Speaker 7: I would have liked that. I think that would have
Speaker 7: been nice. But instead that there is and then we'll
Speaker 7: just say, right now, there is actual psychic phenomenon that's
Speaker 7: supposed to be happening in this.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I really didn't like that part whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by part you mean the last twenty five
Speaker 3: minutes of Yes, Yes, it's.
Speaker 4: The third act of the film. All the debunking scenes
Speaker 4: I really liked. Those are all up front the first
Speaker 4: third Killian Murphy and Sigourney Weaver work at this college
Speaker 4: and they're teaching about psychic phenomenon and basically how it
Speaker 4: gets debunked. They're talking about this scene, the opening scene
Speaker 4: in particular, with the way that you can make a
Speaker 4: table rise, and I thought it was very nice. But
Speaker 4: Toby Jones was working in another department, and I guess
Speaker 4: he's the department that would go out to like Barbara
Speaker 4: Hershey's house in the Entity and put up all the
Speaker 4: equipment and just buy into everything.
Speaker 7: It feels, yeah, it's very strange that they have these
Speaker 7: two departments and they have this rivalry. But I did
Speaker 7: enjoy the part where he starts talking about the psychic
Speaker 7: that they had and that he was able to read
Speaker 7: all of these cards and that they're the exact same
Speaker 7: cards from Ghostbusters, and then you have Sigourney Weaver from
Speaker 7: Ghostbusters debunking it. I thought that was really nice.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that. That's actually really cool.
Speaker 4: What I didn't like about that scene, and this is
Speaker 4: something the movie does several times, is she explains Jones
Speaker 4: that that person cheated and here's how they saw it
Speaker 4: through the reflection of your glasses, and it should be
Speaker 4: enough to just let that be, but instead they then
Speaker 4: cut to Toby Jones taking his glasses of the card
Speaker 4: to make sure that the audience understands that's how mirrors
Speaker 4: work or whatever. And I felt like the movie was
Speaker 4: constantly underlining the obvious at things like that. We start
Speaker 4: off with these two and they're debunking this case where
Speaker 4: it's a whole psychic medium thing, and basically it's the
Speaker 4: what is it? The little girl and the mom basically
Speaker 4: don't want to live at this house.
Speaker 7: The little girl has almost faked stuff, and then they
Speaker 7: brought in a psychic and the psychic just exacerbated the
Speaker 7: whole situation. And they go back to college and then
Speaker 7: we get introduced to Toby Jones. We also get introduced
Speaker 7: to Elizabeth Olsen as I guess she's a cipher for
Speaker 7: the audience, and I never really get a beat on
Speaker 7: her character, what she is, what motivates her, What do
Speaker 7: you guys make of the Elizabeth Olsen character?
Speaker 3: She really doesn't have a character in this film. She
Speaker 3: is there to simply relay information to Killian Murphy so
Speaker 3: that he doesn't have to have a self monologue because eventually,
Speaker 3: spoiler alert Sigourney Weaver dies and that leaves him alone
Speaker 3: in his research and he needs somebody to bounce off of,
Speaker 3: and they find another student who's struggling with his American
Speaker 3: accent that I don't remember the name of. But but
Speaker 3: again I have no idea what she is. Is she a
Speaker 3: research assistant, is she a fellow at the college. Is
Speaker 3: she his student? I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I think she's a student that he then recruits to
Speaker 4: join the team. I think he even uses the phrase.
Speaker 4: And then there's that recurring bit of Sigourney to both
Speaker 4: of them saying, aren't you too.
Speaker 7: Old for him? Isn't she too young for you?
Speaker 4: That whole thing. She really is there just to be
Speaker 4: a love interest slash in turn, but she does almost nothing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're right. It almost feels like she's
Speaker 7: a psychic projection at times. Is she even real that's.
Speaker 4: Not out of the realm of the movie's possibility.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And like you said, Sigourney Weaver dies about halfway
Speaker 7: through this movie, which answers my question when I watched
Speaker 7: the opening and I said, Killian Murphy gets top billing
Speaker 7: above Sigourney Weaver because she's not in the movie that long.
Speaker 7: She doesn't really have a whole lot of stuff to
Speaker 7: do either, other than to talk about her son who's
Speaker 7: in coma. How does he get into the coma? I
Speaker 7: can't remember.
Speaker 3: All I remember is when he takes him off life
Speaker 3: support at the very end of the film. That's literal,
Speaker 3: and she talks about being visited by a psychic and
Speaker 3: being told information about him, and that's about it. That's
Speaker 3: really we don't learn very much on that front, if
Speaker 3: I remember correctly.
Speaker 7: Well, And that's Sam Silver that tells her that the
Speaker 7: sun was over his shoulder and asking for her to
Speaker 7: let him go, and that's what really sets her off
Speaker 7: against Sam Silver. And Sam Silver, of course is Robert
Speaker 7: de Niro. And you guys probably saw my notes where
Speaker 7: I'm just like, is something going on with his eyes?
Speaker 7: Because at the beginning they make this big deal where
Speaker 7: they show him and then he puts on dark glasses.
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, I had to watch that part like
Speaker 7: three times to be like, oh, I guess his eyeballs
Speaker 7: are weird.
Speaker 4: He does that almost like the CSI Miami thing with
Speaker 4: David Cruz. So he comes up playing with sunglasses. He
Speaker 4: takes them off for exactly three seconds just so you
Speaker 4: can see the camera lick zooms in so you can
Speaker 4: see that is like, check out these fucked up contact
Speaker 4: lens as I've got on to show you he's blind,
Speaker 4: and then he puts it back on. There's zero reason
Speaker 4: for him to do that other than just to convey that.
Speaker 3: It looks like we got a cold case.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, yep, exactly.
Speaker 3: And the second he took his sunglasses off, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this guy isn't blind, literally, and then takes them off
Speaker 3: and put them on, Like, why would you need to
Speaker 3: do that to see what the air looks like. There's
Speaker 3: no reason to take off your sunglasses whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Distract the audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep them guessing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there is no doubt in my mind from
Speaker 7: the very first moment I see him that he's not blind.
Speaker 7: And that's the whole thing is, Oh my god, this
Speaker 7: blind guy is doing all these things. No, he's not blind.
Speaker 7: So Sam Silver is to your guys' point from earlier,
Speaker 7: he's like Uri Geller mates Taylor Swift, and he's coming back.
Speaker 7: He had retired all these years ago after someone died
Speaker 7: that he had had a rivalry with or didn't like
Speaker 7: this guy, and this guy dies, Oh my gosh, was
Speaker 7: a psychic killing. No, it wasn't psychic killing. And we
Speaker 7: really never ever find out what's going on with that
Speaker 7: guy who had died and why he went into retirement
Speaker 7: or why he's coming back. But he's back now and
Speaker 7: the world is going fucking crazy. It's amazing how people
Speaker 7: are just going nuts about this guy who's on tour
Speaker 7: and we barely see him do anything while he's on
Speaker 7: this tour. I really don't know what his show is like.
Speaker 7: I think sitting through one of his acts would have
Speaker 7: been really a smart idea for this movie.
Speaker 3: The least played a few tracks off of Evermore. That's
Speaker 3: a deep Taylor Swift reference for all the Swifties out
Speaker 3: there in the audience.
Speaker 7: The venn diagram of Swifties and projection booth listeners, it's
Speaker 7: almost a solid circle.
Speaker 4: So de Niro's silver character and in retire for thirty
Speaker 4: years is when a journalist had a heart attack in
Speaker 4: his audience and I thought, oh, we're going to get
Speaker 4: in like some Scanner's type of situation. We never did,
Speaker 4: But that thirty years exactly lines up to Sigourney Weaver's
Speaker 4: character saying early on that she hasn't seen a single
Speaker 4: miracle in her thirty years of doing this. And that's
Speaker 4: really important because the camera zooms in in pauses for
Speaker 4: her to say that line, in thirty years, I haven't
Speaker 4: seen a single miracle. That those timeframes are not accidental.
Speaker 4: Every time there's something that the audience supposed to take
Speaker 4: away as viewers you get that zoom. He's very fond
Speaker 4: of the zoom and pause.
Speaker 7: You do get a nice montage of the young days
Speaker 7: of Simon Silver, where you get all this photoshop of
Speaker 7: young Robert de Niro punching the Cassius clay. The old
Speaker 7: pose of him because he was traveling in all the
Speaker 7: best circles and looking so much like Lenny Bruce in
Speaker 7: those photos as remarkable.
Speaker 4: There's no shortage of young de Niro footage that they
Speaker 4: could have used the photo shop in on that. I
Speaker 4: don't get why he looks that way.
Speaker 3: It still looks better than the Irishman.
Speaker 7: It comes on.
Speaker 3: Let's let's admit things. That's a brilliant film, but it
Speaker 3: looks a lot better than that.
Speaker 7: I don't really know what all Silver can do. And
Speaker 7: it feels like Sam Silver is the combination of all
Speaker 7: of these psychics they'd mentioned, the twisted spoons, the bent spoons,
Speaker 7: and we even get Sigourdy Weaver. At one point she
Speaker 7: lifts up her spoon out of her coffee and it's
Speaker 7: been bent, and I'm like, was he there or what's
Speaker 7: going on? No, we don't get an answer for that one.
Speaker 7: We get him shots of him making objects float. We
Speaker 7: get a sequence where he is projecting images onto polaroid film,
Speaker 7: which I'm really glad. There's a podcast that I have
Speaker 7: to recommend to people. It's called Richard Adams Paranormal Bookshelf,
Speaker 7: where he goes through and he talks about a lot
Speaker 7: of paranormal books.
Speaker 3: Is that the creator of miracles, Richard Cattel.
Speaker 7: It is the same person that created miracles. Yes. The
Speaker 7: book he talks about with a psychic who is able
Speaker 7: to project on the film is called The World of
Speaker 7: Ted Cirios. He could do it for a little while
Speaker 7: and then he stopped and we never get back to
Speaker 7: it again. But yeah, I'm like, this guy can do everything.
Speaker 7: And then the only time we really do get to
Speaker 7: see him doing a show, he's floating around and moving
Speaker 7: all around the stage and I'm just like, Okay, how
Speaker 7: are they going to debunk this? I'm just waiting for
Speaker 7: that to happen. We spend a lot more time with
Speaker 7: this Argentinian psychic who basically is a miracle worker. He's
Speaker 7: a faith hailer, and so we get that whole thing
Speaker 7: and I'm like, Okay, I'm immediately thinking of Nightmare Alley
Speaker 7: and the whole code stuff, but this is much more modern.
Speaker 7: They're just using radio to transmit to his ear piece
Speaker 7: and he's able to pull people out of the audience
Speaker 7: after they do minimal detective work on some of these
Speaker 7: people that are coming to the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not even cold reading. It's completely assisted.
Speaker 4: And de Niro he's floating like Magneto and X Men,
Speaker 4: which that's true.
Speaker 7: Oh Bazar.
Speaker 4: But the whole debunking like live debunking, which is still
Speaker 4: with the movie for this, But the whole time, I'm like,
Speaker 4: why are they doing? Is this a hobby? Are they
Speaker 4: getting paid through the university to do this? Do they
Speaker 4: fancy themselves like some mind detective squad because they're like
Speaker 4: undercover and taking photos from like doing surveillance, and they
Speaker 4: never really talk about that. And then the Argentinian guy
Speaker 4: ends up in prison because reasons, because it.
Speaker 3: Feels like they cut like a ten minutes subplot out
Speaker 3: of there and they're just like, yeah, no, I don't notice,
Speaker 3: and it's fine even prison now, okay.
Speaker 4: Today he'd have a Netflix series. He would not beat
Speaker 4: in prison.
Speaker 3: It would be a documentary first, and then he would
Speaker 3: have the actor playing him.
Speaker 4: It's likes miniseries that was one of the worst things
Speaker 4: about the movie. I think, just story wise, how it's
Speaker 4: unable to pay off what it's building too. And this
Speaker 4: occurs what maybe halfway through this subplot, and I think
Speaker 4: the prison part may be in the second half, but
Speaker 4: I was just like, wait, why is he there? I
Speaker 4: don't remember a scene about this. It's just he's exposed
Speaker 4: and next thing we know, he's in prison. Like they
Speaker 4: ever throw anyone like that in prison.
Speaker 3: Now they just give him infomercials.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thinking of all the faith healers that were on
Speaker 7: TV in the eighties. That was such a prime time
Speaker 7: of the seven hundred Club. And then that was the guy.
Speaker 7: He had this amazing like gray kind of flat top.
Speaker 7: He looked like he was maybe like Indiana me was,
Speaker 7: isn't it was?
Speaker 4: I know who you're talking about? Yeah, Hamberg's name that
Speaker 4: I know exactly who you're talking about.
Speaker 7: I didn't even get the whole thing with the because
Speaker 7: they make a second stop and they go see this
Speaker 7: little kid who is apparently an artist.
Speaker 4: But it has an automatic painter. And that's the line
Speaker 4: I was referencing when you introduced me, that you paint,
Speaker 4: can't you write?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: Because that's the way the mom screams to the kids,
Speaker 4: the kids are supposed to do his thing, and wouldn't
Speaker 4: that just be painting. I don't understand what automatic painting is.
Speaker 4: I don't get it either. They so poorly explain that.
Speaker 4: And then after they turn on the music really loud,
Speaker 4: which is supposed to help him, before he even does anything,
Speaker 4: they cut to them in the car laughing about it.
Speaker 7: I'm like, what did I just miss? And yeah, it
Speaker 7: feels very shoppy. This whole film does feel like there
Speaker 7: is a lot of stuff missing.
Speaker 3: Which is ironic considering that Rodrigo Cortez edited the film
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he needed somebody else to edit this, because yeah,
Speaker 7: it feels like we're missing a lot of set up
Speaker 7: and payoff through this whole thing, because yeah, why would
Speaker 7: they arrest the face healer unless maybe he wasn't paying
Speaker 7: us taxes something like that, But then again, he's a
Speaker 7: man of faith. He doesn't need to pay taxes.
Speaker 3: Sex scandal, yeah, but something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had never seen anything of the directors
Speaker 4: except for Buried, which I'd like, I've thought that was
Speaker 4: really well done. But this is the only other film
Speaker 4: of his I've seen.
Speaker 3: I think if Buried is good. It's probably because the
Speaker 3: guy needs restrictions to make like a really good genre movie,
Speaker 3: Like he needs to have all the trappings stripped away
Speaker 3: so that you basically get to be the core essence
Speaker 3: of a thriller. I still haven't seen Buried, and I'm
Speaker 3: less less compelled to watch it now that I've seen this,
Speaker 3: but I still do want to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's even though it stars Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 7: It's good.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't get over that part. Never mind, I
Speaker 3: don't want to see it anymore.
Speaker 7: Make quips through the whole time when he's buried.
Speaker 3: Keep looking at the camera. Boy, am I buried?
Speaker 4: There is a slightly better play on that concept in
Speaker 4: a movie called Break that had Stephen Dorif of all
Speaker 4: people in it, and that one I think is actually better.
Speaker 4: No one's heard it, but if you're going to see
Speaker 4: a movie of a guy trapped in a trunk, I
Speaker 4: would see that.
Speaker 3: I would recommend the two part CSI episode that Quentin
Speaker 3: Tarantino directed.
Speaker 7: Great Danger before the Bride Got Buried. If memory serve,
Speaker 7: it was his trial run there?
Speaker 3: It was after?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: That was two thousand and five? Okay, the year after Volume.
Speaker 7: Two oh wow, gosh.
Speaker 3: I'll only remember because it came out the day before
Speaker 3: Star Wars Episode three. The first time I sat in
Speaker 3: a theater saying I hate this during a Star Wars
Speaker 3: movie the very first time it to keep that one.
Speaker 3: I was a little kid when Phantom Menace came out.
Speaker 3: Give me a break.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was me with the e Walks back in
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty three. Sound that was when and when I
Speaker 7: saw Boba Fett die, I think I said, I hate this.
Speaker 7: It's a well shot film. It looks good, it's got
Speaker 7: that whole drained out of the color thing. It always
Speaker 7: looks like very overcast, even when you get to see
Speaker 7: the opening of the Faith Healer part where everybody has balloons.
Speaker 7: I don't know what's going on with that. I guess
Speaker 7: they're treating this like a carnival. But I found it
Speaker 7: so odd that all of these people were walking around
Speaker 7: with balloons before this big faith healing activity that's going on.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I don't know, Maybe I'm just out of touch,
Speaker 7: but I wasn't aware of just how big these faith
Speaker 7: healers and psychics are that are coming around. Yeah, does
Speaker 7: Chris Angel is it like a big deal? When he
Speaker 7: goes on tour or something, and I like how they
Speaker 7: even name drop Chris Angel at one point.
Speaker 3: I like this, it's not usually it's relegated to revival tents.
Speaker 3: Now people handling rattlesnakes. That's the kind of stuff that
Speaker 3: usually this stuff corresponds to. But it this takes place
Speaker 3: in a pair of universe where all the stuff that
Speaker 3: you don't care about matters very much.
Speaker 4: And makes literal headlines on the top above the fold
Speaker 4: right name of the newspaper.
Speaker 3: Oh the scene when Simon Silver's beginning his next show.
Speaker 3: They panned over from people doing the news, and it's
Speaker 3: literally it's one person says one sentence and then the
Speaker 3: next news person will carry on from whatever they said
Speaker 3: last give the next sentence, and it just keeps on
Speaker 3: going like that round robin for six people and one
Speaker 3: sustained shot. And I was like, Okay, he's not that popular, right,
Speaker 3: give me a brick.
Speaker 7: Was even on a television show at one point, and
Speaker 7: I'm like, she looks like she's supposed to be Oprah basically,
Speaker 7: and again she had a bunch of Charlatan's on her
Speaker 7: show over the years, so it makes sense. Doctors ros
Speaker 7: our new Surgeon General.
Speaker 4: I speaking of the TV and alter reality, there's that
Speaker 4: one show actually, the show that makes the news headlines
Speaker 4: where Sigourney Weaver's character is debating against not Silver, but
Speaker 4: Silver's agent played by Joe as if the person's agent
Speaker 4: would be on this meet the press type show, like
Speaker 4: they would ever want someone like that. This movie is bizarre.
Speaker 4: Just the choices it makes is next level bonkers.
Speaker 7: Almost. Yeah, it was very odd to see Burne Gorman
Speaker 7: on that show too and be like, this guy is
Speaker 7: bigger than this role, or maybe he just got bigger,
Speaker 7: but I think he would have been on like Torch
Speaker 7: would by this point. I can't remember when.
Speaker 3: Definitely the Strain at the same time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then when was Pacific rim Out the first
Speaker 7: one of those, because he was fantastic, Yeah, so same year,
Speaker 7: and I don't know, it just felt very odd that
Speaker 7: he was just relegated to such a small role in
Speaker 7: this one. And yeah, the four people going around in
Speaker 7: the round robin, I'm like, okay, this is that's a
Speaker 7: very odd thing. And just the way that Killian is
Speaker 7: watching and no, don't do this, and oh she's gonna
Speaker 7: do that, And that's the moment when I believe Elizabeth
Speaker 7: Olson's how do you know she would do that? I'm psychic?
Speaker 7: And then we get that during the fight Club montage
Speaker 7: at the end where we get to see everything again
Speaker 7: and see he's.
Speaker 10: Been saying this the whole time. He's actually a psychic. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 10: I could have figured that one out. In fact, I
Speaker 10: did figure that one out well beforehand, as soon as
Speaker 10: electrical equipment started fritzing out like crazy. When he goes
Speaker 10: off Rogue and tries to debunk Silver at one point
Speaker 10: and the windows are exploding, everything's exploding.
Speaker 7: It's just some child. I'm like, all right, I guess
Speaker 7: there's a real bad electrical short or for whatever reason,
Speaker 7: his psychic powers are just going insane at that moment.
Speaker 3: We need to have a moratorium. On the last minute
Speaker 3: mont explaining everything that you've just seen. It needs to
Speaker 3: come to an end because it treats the audience like infants, insulting.
Speaker 3: If you're smart enough, you can just look at one
Speaker 3: little example like the coin and go, ah, I get it.
Speaker 3: There you go. Didn't need to be told, but I
Speaker 3: was told anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That goes back to what I was saying about how
Speaker 4: they're constantly underlining got it? Did you get it? And
Speaker 4: early in the film, the Sigourney and Killing Murphy characters
Speaker 4: are constantly explaining to one another what they already would know.
Speaker 4: And I get that's just exposition, but added on to
Speaker 4: every other weird story choice this movie makes, it just
Speaker 4: makes me question the entire enterprise.
Speaker 3: It's a television technique in that people are coming in,
Speaker 3: probably watching the first episode for the first time, and
Speaker 3: you got to catch them up by having each character
Speaker 3: tell each other exactly what they already know.
Speaker 4: It doesn't begin like a TV show, not in a
Speaker 4: bad way, but that title sequence I mentioned it's very
Speaker 4: X Files like and pack. If this had been a
Speaker 4: limited series, I would have watched it based upon the
Speaker 4: way that opens. But the movie is shot in what
Speaker 4: I call seven vision because they do that overcast, bleary thing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't look bad at all, but it's just an
Speaker 4: odd I don't know. It just doesn't seem to match
Speaker 4: the level that the story's working. Genre wise, this is
Speaker 4: not chasing a serial killer. It's the stakes again, are
Speaker 4: just so low and insignificant. It doesn't call for that
Speaker 4: when it looks best.
Speaker 3: It's the fake educational short that Toby Jones is producing.
Speaker 3: That's the one thing that actually feels authentic. I've been
Speaker 3: to science classes in college. I probably failed all of them,
Speaker 3: probably didn't shove up to most of them most of
Speaker 3: the time. But I do know that I've seen that
Speaker 3: type of industrial short many times in my life, and
Speaker 3: it is very faithfully recreated, to the point where I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't like this movie, and then that
Speaker 3: scene started as like I kind of like this movie
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Now I wish it were longer. They show yes saying
Speaker 4: that I wish it were longer, And at least that
Speaker 4: does give a reason for them doing all those things
Speaker 4: on a set that looked like Hannibal Lecter was going
Speaker 4: to be in the cage in the middle or something.
Speaker 4: Just is overblown set wise, but at least that gives
Speaker 4: it a reason too.
Speaker 7: And if the whole movie had.
Speaker 4: Been that a mockumentary sort of through an educational film,
Speaker 4: that would have been awesome.
Speaker 3: It's a serious what we do in the Shadows.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's the moment in the middle of the film.
Speaker 7: I think it's right around halfway through where Killian Murphy
Speaker 7: encounters this homeless woman on the street and almost runs
Speaker 7: her down. He's like the worst driver by the way.
Speaker 7: I think it's because he's driving on the right and
Speaker 7: he really wants to drive on the left, but he's
Speaker 7: trying to follow to Niro's entourage or a caravan, and
Speaker 7: he keeps fucking up, and then he almost hits this woman.
Speaker 7: She disappears then, and then she shows up next to
Speaker 7: the car and says, roll down the window, makes this
Speaker 7: little circle gesture. She rolls down the window and she
Speaker 7: spits on him, Like, what the fuck is I mean,
Speaker 7: does she recognize him as being a psychic threat or something?
Speaker 7: I just didn't even They bring that back at that
Speaker 7: end montage too. I still don't understand this. Guys. Maybe
Speaker 7: you can do like another montage inside of the montage
Speaker 7: to explain this part of it.
Speaker 3: And what was he expecting her to do?
Speaker 7: I was expecting her face to change into a demon.
Speaker 7: I was channeling Jacob's ladder at this point.
Speaker 4: The way Ryan called for a moratorium on the ending montage,
Speaker 4: I would say the same for anything where driver takes
Speaker 4: their eyes off the road for any ridiculous amount of
Speaker 4: time because he's scraining his head to look get Jodie
Speaker 4: Richardson on the street or whatever, and you just know.
Speaker 4: It's like the cheapest method to manufacture tension. Okay, he's
Speaker 4: gonna almost hit someone, almost get in a wreck, and
Speaker 4: sure enough, that's exactly what happens. I didn't have spitting.
Speaker 4: They were gonna spit in his face, but that down.
Speaker 4: But hate that in any show, any movie, and it
Speaker 4: happens all the time.
Speaker 7: Do we get a double dream wake up in this
Speaker 7: one as well? When he's trying to me, he wakes up,
Speaker 7: but then we find out he's really not awake and
Speaker 7: he has to wake up a second time.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that. But then the one that I
Speaker 4: can't stand, Yeah, that's a bad one as well, even
Speaker 4: just one, oh, just a dream that alone is cheap.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the only good one is an American Werewolf
Speaker 3: in London.
Speaker 7: I was just about to say that I completely agree
Speaker 7: with that one, but ever since then, it's, oh, come on, guys,
Speaker 7: we've seen this done so well in American Werewolf. We
Speaker 7: really never need to see it again. No. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: I guess the whole idea of the title red lights,
Speaker 7: which are things that are there that aren't supposed to
Speaker 7: be there. Had this movie bin shot in colors that
Speaker 7: could represent the color red I might have looked forward
Speaker 7: a little bit more, but everything's so drained, so often
Speaker 7: every outside shot is in that blue tinted kind of thing.
Speaker 7: And I think, to your point about the educational film part,
Speaker 7: at least that looks really decent, because otherwise it's drained
Speaker 7: out and we're like, okay, it's very overcast here. Yes,
Speaker 7: they are living in the same city as seven. It's
Speaker 7: dry period.
Speaker 4: Yes, that educational short it looks so clinical, and that's
Speaker 4: what this movie needed more of, because there's just an eeriness,
Speaker 4: just an inherent eeriness of that sort of way to
Speaker 4: tell a story that it could have used, where the
Speaker 4: rest is just so conventional. So audience, it's insulting. Your
Speaker 4: intelligence is lower than I'm gonna give you credit for.
Speaker 4: It's just it's not well done, and the dialogue can
Speaker 4: be really awful. There's two lines in particular that made
Speaker 4: me grown. One was when was it Elizabeth Olsen popped
Speaker 4: up and he's Oh, I'm so very pleased that you're here.
Speaker 4: And the other was when Robert de Niro says, we'll
Speaker 4: see each other again, long pause, Oh, yes, we'll see
Speaker 4: each other again. That's like high school play type of stuff.
Speaker 7: Is that in the Bizarro scene where he goes to
Speaker 7: visit Simon Silver and he's in that hallway and there's
Speaker 7: those two people on the bench and the guy hisses.
Speaker 7: I said, I was not expecting Robert de Niro to
Speaker 7: be behind that curtain and or behind that line of salt.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, what are you saying with this, Because
Speaker 7: when it comes to a line of salt, I'm like,
Speaker 7: that's how you keep the demon at bay And I
Speaker 7: think they even addressed that. I'm like, what is going
Speaker 7: on here? Does he have people coming in all the
Speaker 7: time and doing readings or I didn't get what that was,
Speaker 7: And just it seemed like a very odd time to
Speaker 7: have him show up and that set that he's on,
Speaker 7: behind that line of salt. It almost looks like Frank
Speaker 7: Booth and the boys from Blue Velvet are going to
Speaker 7: show up in that scene.
Speaker 4: And also just him going in the apartment building reminded
Speaker 4: me of Mickey Rourke going to see De Niro at
Speaker 4: the end of Angel Heart. Oh Gifts so much dain
Speaker 4: style of way was shot and set up. I don't
Speaker 4: know if that was intentional, but it certainly got that feeling.
Speaker 4: I talked about the lack of rain in here, but
Speaker 4: I forgot about the rain and the end part of it.
Speaker 4: And it's that whole sequence you're talking about, Ryan, where
Speaker 4: it's the one reporter or two reporter, three, reporter four,
Speaker 4: and they're all saying the same thing as you pan
Speaker 4: across each one of the reporters, and that is I guess,
Speaker 4: it's this whole idea of these two powers are finally
Speaker 4: going to face off against each other, and it becomes
Speaker 4: almost this fight of the gods or something, because it
Speaker 4: just you know, there's thunder going on, there's lightning happening,
Speaker 4: and it's just like, this is it the final confrontation
Speaker 4: between Killian Murphy and Robert de Niro in this final
Speaker 4: big scene, and it's all.
Speaker 3: Right, it's the final fight in the Matrix revolutions. It's
Speaker 3: Burnley brawl between Agent Smith and Neo.
Speaker 7: The show doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 4: I never saw that one because I didn't like the
Speaker 4: previous one. You made the right choice. It's deflating the
Speaker 4: whole climax. Whatever it could have turned into Scanners or
Speaker 4: Brian depalm, was the Fury or something.
Speaker 3: Oh what I wouldn't give to see John Cassavetti's explode oh,
Speaker 3: i'd be wonderful spoilers for the fury ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: But that's what happens at the end, and it's glorious.
Speaker 7: Oh it's so good, and especially the quick edits onto
Speaker 7: him before he explodes. Oh that's so nice. Yeah, in
Speaker 7: the stakes of this movie, I'm just like, okay, So
Speaker 7: at the end, it's the fight between the psychics, or
Speaker 7: like the big confrontation. I guess he's going to finally
Speaker 7: unmask Robert de Niro, even though he is without the
Speaker 7: knowledge of his student, that is, his student and Elizabeth Olsen,
Speaker 7: his students, who are looking at this footage of de
Speaker 7: Niro who's been given a test, and that so reminds
Speaker 7: me of the there's a Columbo episode which is almost
Speaker 7: exactly the same, one of those ABC Columbo episodes, and
Speaker 7: you go, oh, okay, so they're finding out that he's
Speaker 7: really not psychic. BFD. We kind of all knew that
Speaker 7: watching this, And if that's a surprise to anybody in
Speaker 7: the audience, please write in and let me know if
Speaker 7: you're surprised, because I was like, yeah, of course he's
Speaker 7: not psychic. Powers don't exist. This whole movie has been
Speaker 7: teaching me that, and they're telling me how to debunk
Speaker 7: all of these fakes, so of course there is no
Speaker 7: real psychic power happening here. And then they're cross cutting
Speaker 7: between the student calling Toby Jones and Toby Jones who's
Speaker 7: about to sign off on this research, to say, this
Speaker 7: guy's legit. There are psychic things, and he's imagine how
Speaker 7: popular their debunking department basically is going to be after this,
Speaker 7: and it said, yeah, actually that's true, so maybe go
Speaker 7: ahead and sign this. You could be making Killian Murphy
Speaker 7: a lot of money. Now he's going to have plenty
Speaker 7: of things to go around and debunk. This will be great.
Speaker 7: But yeah, they're doing this cross cutting and it's oh,
Speaker 7: he doesn't know this, and I'm like, all right, nor
Speaker 7: does he really care? And then we have to have
Speaker 7: a big fight in the bathroom as well. I'm just like,
Speaker 7: all right, and am I watching one of the Mission
Speaker 7: Impossible movies where they're just beating the shit out of
Speaker 7: each other, especially Killian Murphy. That he's even able to
Speaker 7: want afterwards must prove that he has some sort of
Speaker 7: psychic powers.
Speaker 3: And some very breakable porcelain. Have you tried to break
Speaker 3: a sink lately it is not easy, and much less
Speaker 3: a toilet. Oh my god, those things are indestructible. Help
Speaker 3: my front teeth are made out of porcelain. I still
Speaker 3: haven't broken him, and I'm a terrible dental hygienist.
Speaker 4: That bathroom fight, it did precede the Henry Cavill tongue
Speaker 4: cruise bathroom fight and that mission Postplesigle, but it did
Speaker 4: remind me of that. The bigger question is what kind
Speaker 4: of psychopath goes into the bathroom and goes straight for
Speaker 4: the middle urinal. Maybe they do that in Ireland Killian Murphy.
Speaker 4: But here you either go to the far left or
Speaker 4: the far right. You don't go to the middle.
Speaker 7: Now, that's a real dick move, and especially with your
Speaker 7: guy standing there already, because if he was, you definitely
Speaker 7: go to the outside one. Now the guy came in afterwards,
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, don't tempt fate. Yeah, just go to one
Speaker 7: side or the other. And if that guy pulls up
Speaker 7: next to you, you're just like, okay, quick shake and
Speaker 7: I'm out here, because who knows what kind of weirdo
Speaker 7: that guy is. But yet they beat the shit out
Speaker 7: of Killy and Murphy. He's literally covered with blood, completely
Speaker 7: wet because his head was in the toilet, and he
Speaker 7: just walks out during the middle of Sam's latest performance,
Speaker 7: and no one stops him. There's no security. No, there's
Speaker 7: no one like says sir, can we see a ticket
Speaker 7: or anything. They just let this guy walk in and
Speaker 7: start mouthing off to Robb Tenttiro and I love how
Speaker 7: there's the guy in the audience who's I can't lower
Speaker 7: my arm? Is yes, you can, and then the guy
Speaker 7: lowers it and it's all right, what is he telling me?
Speaker 7: You don't believe everything they tell you? And he's, oh, okay,
Speaker 7: I can put my arm down. Come on, that was
Speaker 7: so dumb.
Speaker 3: That's the moment when the movie goes completely googo bananas.
Speaker 3: He starts raising in the air and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: so his wires attached to him? Is that what's going
Speaker 3: on here? Nope, No, he's literally being lifted by the
Speaker 3: power of psychicness. I don't know exactly what part of
Speaker 3: his powers he's utilizing in that moment, but because they
Speaker 3: seem to shift, he seems to have multiple powers, but
Speaker 3: only uses them at specific times.
Speaker 7: Usually a psychic has one ability. It's the guy who
Speaker 7: can put the images onto film. It's the guy who
Speaker 7: can bends spoons with his mind. It's the guy who
Speaker 7: can make something float off of a table. It's the
Speaker 7: person who can do psychic surgery. They have a psychic
Speaker 7: surgery scene in here. It's the person who can do X,
Speaker 7: Y and Z. But to have the guy who's got
Speaker 7: all of the powers, it's pick a ling first. But
Speaker 7: like he has all of these powers. Maybe that is
Speaker 7: why he's as popular as Taylor Swift, or almost as
Speaker 7: popular as Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: Start a religion, all those powers. Start your own cult.
Speaker 3: My god, you would be a god.
Speaker 7: Because usually it's just the one thing. And then James
Speaker 7: Randy comes in and says, oh, you know, there's Talcolm
Speaker 7: powder here or whatever it is, and they tell those
Speaker 7: things that they have. The whole thing about keep the
Speaker 7: person's arms back against the wall and put cards behind them,
Speaker 7: and then if card falls, you know that they've moved
Speaker 7: their arms. You need to have all of these tests
Speaker 7: in place. And it's really irresponsible to have Toby Jones
Speaker 7: running this whole department when he's so easily duped by
Speaker 7: having his glasses on and having the reflections and his glasses.
Speaker 3: The head of the department and never figured that out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that big showdown between the two between Silver and
Speaker 7: Killian Murphy, it's okay. Other than like the Star Trek
Speaker 7: shaky cam thing to show that stuff is happening and
Speaker 7: a lot of explosions, it really comes to nothing. There's
Speaker 7: no real revelation of this guy as a phony. They
Speaker 7: never really show. Oh you shouldn't believe this guy, and
Speaker 7: Killian Murphy leaves. Everybody else is still in the theater.
Speaker 7: What does the show carry on? Does he just go
Speaker 7: all right, well, my next trick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't see the coin. No, they don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell he did?
Speaker 7: Was a coin at him? And you would think if
Speaker 7: you're pretending to be blind for thirty years that you
Speaker 7: would maybe have had someone throw something at you and
Speaker 7: you just have learned to not react.
Speaker 4: But no, he's like superpowers himself just in a catching it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a really good throw too, in a
Speaker 4: great catch. I was not surprised at de Niro's character
Speaker 4: not being blind, and I was not surprised at the
Speaker 4: reveal that Killian Murphy has psychic powers. But still I
Speaker 4: felt like the Killian Murphy one was a total cheat
Speaker 4: of the screenplay. I'd love a good twist, but I
Speaker 4: don't feel like that's a twist, even though it tries
Speaker 4: to say, look, all the information was there before with
Speaker 4: the montage showing you all these things, but it's really,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's recontextualizing those things.
Speaker 3: And he mentions that he never told Sigourney Weaver's character
Speaker 3: because he wanted her to figure out on her own
Speaker 3: that psychic surreals. He has a son in a coma,
Speaker 3: be a decent guy and tell her there is such
Speaker 3: thing as magic in the world. Trust me, this is real.
Speaker 3: You just saved her so much grief. She died not knowing.
Speaker 3: That's the most tragic part about all of this. She
Speaker 3: died not knowing any of this about her son.
Speaker 7: The revelation of him being a psychic at the end
Speaker 7: really feels like a slap in the face. When you're
Speaker 7: watching this whole movie about people that debunk fakes and
Speaker 7: about this fake psychic, and then you find out that
Speaker 7: one of the two debunkers is really a psychic, and
Speaker 7: I guess maybe he knew about it, But again, what
Speaker 7: are his powers other than making birds fly at windows
Speaker 7: and making electronical things, Fritz out. It doesn't seem to
Speaker 7: have a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 3: It would be like ending the Conjuring with a text
Speaker 3: block that said Ed and Lorraine Warren were completely exonerated
Speaker 3: in any fraud doing and are still the most successful
Speaker 3: paranormal investigators on planet Earth.
Speaker 4: I guess he has telekinesis because there's that scene where
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Olsen is at his place and I guess they're
Speaker 4: a couple now, like gloss Over that they go outside
Speaker 4: because he thinks silver's there, and they come back in
Speaker 4: his places in tatters, like everything's been turned over. There's
Speaker 4: papers all over the place. And if Killian Murphy's character
Speaker 4: has psychic powers, then I guess he's the one that
Speaker 4: did that, right, he would have had to have done that.
Speaker 4: So he's also misleading this new love interest as well.
Speaker 4: There's a great relationship on a wonderful art buying to
Speaker 4: your partner. The way they frame it's like there's an
Speaker 4: analogy of I don't know, like he's coming to terms
Speaker 4: with his sexuality, like he's been in denial all these years.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's just that's too much for a
Speaker 4: maybeody like this. Those two things are not the same.
Speaker 7: Did you guys stick around for the extra scene at
Speaker 7: the end of the film.
Speaker 3: I didn't know there is one, as a Curtescene.
Speaker 4: Yes, I couldn't get it at all.
Speaker 7: Well, you were talking about the destruction of his loft
Speaker 7: or his apartment or whatever, and I think that's a
Speaker 7: shot from that scene. And it's basically just windows with
Speaker 7: yellow curtains and an air conditioner and the winds blowing
Speaker 7: and the curtains are moving, and that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: There's no person in the scene. It's bizarre. It's like
Speaker 4: when you used to tape stuff off TV and a
Speaker 4: VHS and after the movie if you'd forget to turn
Speaker 4: it off and you'd have some static and then something
Speaker 4: else would play that you had taped over. That's it
Speaker 4: makes no sense.
Speaker 3: It's not a post credit scene. If Sam Jackson doesn't
Speaker 3: show up and invite somebody to become part of the Avengers.
Speaker 7: You would think you would invite Killian Murphy to be
Speaker 7: part of the Avengers.
Speaker 3: I mean, Elizabeth Olsen is an Avenger.
Speaker 7: True, yeah, and she seems to have better powers, at
Speaker 7: least more control over her powers. And I know she
Speaker 7: went a little nuts there, but that was only because
Speaker 7: two imaginary children had disappeared.
Speaker 4: I really did not get that extra scene. I didn't
Speaker 4: get the hairdresser line. At the end of the prologue,
Speaker 4: when they're leaving the home of the haunting that wasn't
Speaker 4: really a haunting, they make a line about get a
Speaker 4: new hairdresser or something to that effect, and I didn't
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 7: But I got that one. It's when he introduces himself
Speaker 7: to that woman who is running the seance. He says,
Speaker 7: I'm a PhD. Or I'm a scientist or something like that.
Speaker 7: He introduces himself in a very odd way, and then
Speaker 7: eventually I think she says, oh, I am two or something,
Speaker 7: and then eventually she's I'm just getting I'm a hairdresser.
Speaker 7: So that's where the hairdresser line comes from. I miss that,
Speaker 7: but you didn't miss much. That's on me, Mike. Sorry,
Speaker 7: it's okay. Of all the things in this movie, there
Speaker 7: are a lot of confusing things.
Speaker 4: So I do have to point out that I watched
Speaker 4: this on Peacock, and the subtitles early on when they
Speaker 4: say sidekicks, the subtitles put sidekicks sidekicks.
Speaker 3: I also watched this on Peacock, but I didn't put
Speaker 3: on the subtitles, and now I'm so disappointed that it
Speaker 3: didn't cauld. I remember I watched Hollowman on Amazon Prime
Speaker 3: and the subtitles were from the television version instead of
Speaker 3: the actual movie. The scene where Kevin Bacon is turning
Speaker 3: invisible and he's going, ah shit, ah fuck, it says,
Speaker 3: oh geez, oh no, and I'm like, this is officially
Speaker 3: the greatest movie ever made.
Speaker 4: These did not look like AI subtitles either. These looked
Speaker 4: like real deal farmed out to somebody.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I cracked up, and I'm like, Clyde kicks
Speaker 3: to me, Okay, write it down, Billy Mary Joe sidekicks.
Speaker 3: That happened again, wasn't.
Speaker 7: A Chuck Norris film, his family film?
Speaker 4: I never saw it, but yeah, there's the kid does
Speaker 4: karate and I think he dreams of Chuck Norris or something,
Speaker 4: or like imagine Chuck Norris's or a friend or it's
Speaker 4: like Last Action Hero, but with Chuck Norris and minus
Speaker 4: two hundred million dollar budget.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, Leewright dreamed of Bruce Lee. So
Speaker 7: I guess maybe it's a convending piece to Last Dragon.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Oh that'd be awesome if it was in the
Speaker 3: Last Dragon Cinematic Universe ELDCU.
Speaker 7: That's where Sam Jackson would come in and be like,
Speaker 7: I'm putting together a team. Can you imagine how.
Speaker 3: I need a guy who eats popcorn with chopsticks?
Speaker 1: You got me, sir.
Speaker 7: It's a very specific mission. We're about to go, oh
Speaker 7: red and backer, guys, is there anything else we want
Speaker 7: to talk about? Red Lights?
Speaker 3: I'm glad it wasn't Red One.
Speaker 4: It's a bad title overall, a bad movie that starts
Speaker 4: out with a lot of promise. I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 4: poorly acted, but the dialogue is awful. Yeah, more we
Speaker 4: talk about though more I'm like, Wow, I guess I
Speaker 4: didn't like this.
Speaker 7: Movie at all. I think I was okay while I
Speaker 7: was watching it, but yeah, in discussion, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 7: this doesn't really add up too much.
Speaker 4: When Sigourney Weaver's characters dies, the movie loses a lot
Speaker 4: because I really like her. I liked her character. I
Speaker 4: thought that the inner play between her and Killian Murphy
Speaker 4: was really what made the movie work for me in
Speaker 4: the beginning. And it's Abbott and Costello when they went
Speaker 4: their separate ways and it was just Costello like, it
Speaker 4: just doesn't work. The same doesn't work. The person who
Speaker 4: requested this, I'm curious, I wonder if this is a
Speaker 4: favorite of theirs, or did you get any indication of
Speaker 4: why this was chosen? No?
Speaker 7: No, I had to ask which movie is this? When
Speaker 7: he said Red Lights and got the IMDb link and
Speaker 7: that was about it. Yeah, I feel awful. Whenever I
Speaker 7: review a Patreon request and don't like it, I'm always like, oh, no,
Speaker 7: it looked for the good things, and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 7: this is tough. There was a moment early on where
Speaker 7: Sigourney Weavers in front of the classroom talking and I'm
Speaker 7: just like, oh, this kind of reminds me of Copycat,
Speaker 7: the Her and Hunter and Harry Junior, Harriet Coonic Junior,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I'd much rather be watching that. That
Speaker 7: one seems that one's probably an awful piece of shit
Speaker 7: as well. But I remember really liking it, and it
Speaker 7: just made me want to watch that. It made me
Speaker 7: want to watch other movies that I like more than
Speaker 7: this one.
Speaker 4: That one has squirrel covers. This one does know it
Speaker 4: squirrel Covers. There's a line of that Harry Conic Junior's
Speaker 4: prisoner says to I can't remember I it's Holly Hunter.
Speaker 4: I've only seen that movie once, but something about squirrel covers,
Speaker 4: which are his word for panties. Okay, I just remember
Speaker 4: that line getting a big laugh in the audience.
Speaker 7: So theatrically, Wow, that's better than me. I just saw
Speaker 7: it on cable. I just saw the poster you need
Speaker 7: to Stay Away. I was nine at the time, so
Speaker 7: it probably would have been let in the theater. I
Speaker 7: don't think that I'm going to have an interview with
Speaker 7: the director on this one. I've been trying, but yeah,
Speaker 7: he's got a new movie coming out very soon. We'll see.
Speaker 7: And I think he is going back to making Spanish
Speaker 7: language stuff. I think his next one will be one
Speaker 7: hundred percent Spanish. That may be for the best. It
Speaker 7: might be it's called escape, or it could be pronounced
Speaker 7: a Scott Bay. All right, let's go ahead and take
Speaker 7: a break and play a preview for next week's show.
Speaker 7: Right after these brief messages.
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Speaker 7: Thank you for joining us on such short notice and
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Speaker 7: That's right. We'll be back next week talking about al
Speaker 7: Ashby's being there. Until then, I want to thank my
Speaker 7: co host Rod and Ryan. So, Rod, what is going
Speaker 7: on with you?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 4: I still am findable on the internet at flick attack
Speaker 4: dot com reviewing genre film. There you can get my book,
Speaker 4: Flick Attack Movie Arsenal Book one, which came out two
Speaker 4: years ago. I'm midway through lay out the second volume,
Speaker 4: so that'll be out in twenty twenty five. And you
Speaker 4: can find me on Instagram Flickotemic as well.
Speaker 7: Very cool and Ryan, what's happening with you, sir?
Speaker 3: I have two podcasts, the first being One Track Mine,
Speaker 3: where every other week myself and a guest analyze film
Speaker 3: through the prism of that film audio commentary. We're big
Speaker 3: into physical media there. We're trying to keep it alive
Speaker 3: because God knows, the studios are trying to kill him.
Speaker 3: Mike has actually been on twice and I look forward
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Speaker 3: Track Mind podcast A one Track Mind on Blue Sky.
Speaker 3: We're on Podchaser, on Facebook, Patreon, dot com, Slash One
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Speaker 3: And then I have another podcast called Reels of Justice
Speaker 3: where we have a fake court of opinion. We're in
Speaker 3: a prosecutor, defender, judge, and jury try to conclude whether
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Speaker 3: And you can find that on anywhere you listen to podcasts.
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Speaker 4: That sounds fun. I'm listening to that.
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