WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.839 Oh is it show die? People pay good money to 2 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.160 see this movie. When they go out to a theater. 3 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.199 They want cold sodas, pop popcorn, and no monsters in 4 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 the protection booth. 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:42.280 Cut it off, Doctor Botson. 7 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.640 You can't imagine how pleased I have to see this 8 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.399 is doctor Matthewson. Actually that's doctor Buckley. 9 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.320 Oh I'm sorry, Sat. 10 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:58.640 There are two kinds of people out there with a 11 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:02.159 special gift. Are the ones who really think they have 12 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:08.959 some kind of power and the other guys who think 13 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.159 we can't figure them out. 14 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.599 No, Leo, correct your position. You're right, Richard Vargas, I'm 15 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.879 calling which as the name of God. 16 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:19.799 They're both wrong. 17 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.920 So have you been working for mathis amon? Or are 18 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:26.920 you a psychologist too? 19 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:27.879 Or magician? 20 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.159 Actually I'm a physicist. 21 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:30.879 So why do you do this? 22 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.599 Investigate big paranormal stuff. 23 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:39.680 Simon Silver, perhaps the most celebrated psychic of all time, 24 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.200 will visit us here in just under three weeks. 25 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:44.159 There will be a mad rush for tickets. 26 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.439 Are there no real challenges left out there? 27 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:48.879 Silver is a real challenge. 28 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.840 Silver has already been investigating. 29 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:51.239 Like thirty years ago. 30 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:52.280 We should investigate him. 31 00:01:52.280 --> 00:02:08.120 Now work out about Silverton. There's certain things that's better 32 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:08.479 not to know. 33 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:17.879 He's dangerous to stay away from. 34 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.199 There's only one way, okay, any access to the truth. 35 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:30.080 You've forgotten lot like, Yeah, looked to get. 36 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:40.240 What's going on? 37 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.479 Tementing me? Are you pre getting my fower? 38 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:11.879 So welcome to the projection booth. 39 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:13.960 I'm your host. Mike White joined me once again. Is 40 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:14.800 mister rod. 41 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.319 Lott you paint? 42 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:16.840 Don't you? 43 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.919 Also back in the boot? This is mister Ryan Lewis Rodriguez. 44 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.319 Hello, sir, We are working our. 45 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.759 Way through another month of Patreon request with one from 46 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:31.719 James Brummel. Red Lights this twenty twelve film flew under 47 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.520 my Radar, written and directed by Rodrigo Cortes. It's the 48 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.479 story of a pair of psychic debunkers played by Sigourne 49 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.240 Weaver and Killian Murphy, who attempt to show the world 50 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.159 that Simon silver played by Robert de Niro, is not 51 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.759 the blind miracle worker he claims to be. We will 52 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.759 be spoiling this film as we go ahead, So if 53 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.680 you haven't seen Red Lights and don't want anything ruined, 54 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.080 track down the movie and come on back after you've 55 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.319 seen it. We will still be here. So, Rod, when 56 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.520 was the first time you saw Red Lights and what 57 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:02.240 did you think? 58 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.039 I first saw it forty eight hours ago, Like you, 59 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.639 this was one that I think I had heard about, 60 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.719 but I don't think it ever really got like a 61 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.639 full blown theatrical release here. I thought it started okay 62 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.439 and I was really into it, and then just kept 63 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:23.319 falling apart as it went on and on. I assume 64 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.519 we'll talk about all those things, but in general, the 65 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.600 stakes of this movie are just strange to me. They 66 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:33.319 don't seem rooted in in any semblance of reality. The 67 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:38.480 sheer amount of media scrutiny that these paranormal investigators get, 68 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.439 especially that they work at a college, just as outlandish. 69 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.959 The movie treats Robert de Niro's characters like Uri Geller 70 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:52.240 where Taylor Swift, their efforts to debuonk not only news 71 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.639 but front page news and lead story news at that 72 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.639 it's an odd mix. I'd say I'm mix on it, 73 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.639 but probably a little more negative than positive overall. And Ryan, 74 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:06.360 how about yourself? 75 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:09.720 Just like Rod, I first saw this forty eight hours 76 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.040 ago because I wanted to keep it fresh in my mind, 77 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.920 and that comparison to Taylor Swift, did they Robert Junior 78 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.839 A character is very apt. I can't understand why the 79 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.000 world would really give a shit this much. It's like 80 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.920 being obsessed with Chris Angel. Yeah he does that, he 81 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.720 does sure whatever. Okay, about halfway through it makes a 82 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.040 dramatic shift, and immediately I was like, oh, this is 83 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.480 not okay. Oh boy, Oh we're in for a ride here. 84 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.079 I look forward to hearing about those shifts, because yeah, 85 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.319 I totally never had heard of this film before until 86 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.199 James requested it. Picked up the DVD which had some 87 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.759 extras on there so we could watch those I think 88 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:51.600 what like twenty minutes of extras. 89 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.680 So it's all people saying the same thing. Oh god, Yes, 90 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.399 he has such a vision, he said. He's so true 91 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.000 to his vision, and he knows how to direct actors, 92 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:02.959 and so you're an actor, of course you're gonna say that. 93 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:05.600 Yeah. It almost felt like they were all reading from 94 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.879 the same three x five card. It was like, oh, 95 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:12.000 and no accent. Rodrigo speaks perfect English and then I 96 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.079 don't know were there subtitles on the extras, but English 97 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:16.639 all the time. 98 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.079 Yeah. It's almost as if the camera panned over you 99 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.480 saw somebody holding a pistol to their head and then 100 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:23.680 the camera pans back over. 101 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.800 It's so funny that Elizabeth Olsen is barely in those 102 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.040 extras as well, and she's probably one of the bigger 103 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.000 stars that are in that movie now compared to where 104 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.279 it was. And then Killian Murphy. Of course I can't 105 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.399 remember did he win the Oscar for Yeah? 106 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:39.199 He did Openheim? 107 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.560 Okay, all right, yeah, And it always throws me when 108 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.360 every speaks with his real voice, because I'm just, oh, yeah, yeah, 109 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.120 he's Irish. I forget about those things. But anyway, Yeah, 110 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.319 this was an interesting one. It's interesting that this comes 111 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.600 out a year before The Conjuring, and I guess like 112 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.800 debunking psychics and horror movies was a thing back then. 113 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.240 I wouldn't consider this a horror movie. I would consider this 114 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.480 maybe a thriller. Maybe it gets in thriller. Yeah, gets 115 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.040 into some creepy stuff and not too bad. There's a 116 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.160 lot of dead birds, so if you don't like any 117 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.000 sort of bird violence, you might not want to check 118 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.759 this one out. But I think they were all stunt birds. 119 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:18.879 I think they were well paid for all their hard 120 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:19.720 work that they did. 121 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.079 They were refugees from the cast of Burdemic a little bit. 122 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:23.519 Better than that. 123 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.879 I definitely got a conjuring vibe off that opening prologue, 124 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.879 which I really liked. I was really into that part 125 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.199 of it. I thought the whole movie's like this, it's 126 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:38.160 X files e as well, and especially the title sequences. 127 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.000 I was like, if this is Killian Murphy and Sigourney 128 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.560 Weaver debunking for an hour and a half, I'm in. 129 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.959 And like Ryan said, it's not. It does take a shift, 130 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:53.240 but I definitely got that d and Loring Warren sense 131 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.600 about it in that beginning, and it does play out 132 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.000 like that. At first, it does feel like a horror 133 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.279 film and then yeah, ultimately it's immediately not one. 134 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.959 Yeah, then my notes, I haven't seen the Conjuring in 135 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.279 eight plus years, but that feels better. And those are 136 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:10.439 terribly dishonest. 137 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.480 Well, those are based on real people as well, real fakes. Yes, 138 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.079 and this is much more in that James Randy the 139 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.480 Amazing Randy type of school where it's we're going to 140 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.439 debunk these guys, and yeah, to your point, where it 141 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:27.079 had it been an hour and a half of them 142 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.439 just going around and witnessing all this paranormal stuff and 143 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.039 them and being like, oh, they're actually doing it this 144 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.600 way and then show you how everything comes together. That 145 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:38.559 would have been cool. I would have really enjoyed that. 146 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.600 And maybe they come up with the case that stumps 147 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.080 them and that's the majority of it, and then they 148 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.320 finally figure out, like through detective work or hard work, 149 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.840 they figure out, Oh, Okay, it's actually this is what's happening. 150 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:52.480 I would have liked that. I think that would have 151 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.679 been nice. But instead that there is and then we'll 152 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.840 just say, right now, there is actual psychic phenomenon that's 153 00:08:58.840 --> 00:08:59.879 supposed to be happening in this. 154 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:02.000 Yeah. 155 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.480 I really didn't like that part whatsoever. 156 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.360 Yeah, and by part you mean the last twenty five 157 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.240 minutes of Yes, Yes, it's. 158 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.879 The third act of the film. All the debunking scenes 159 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.759 I really liked. Those are all up front the first 160 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.440 third Killian Murphy and Sigourney Weaver work at this college 161 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:26.759 and they're teaching about psychic phenomenon and basically how it 162 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.000 gets debunked. They're talking about this scene, the opening scene 163 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.200 in particular, with the way that you can make a 164 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.879 table rise, and I thought it was very nice. But 165 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.679 Toby Jones was working in another department, and I guess 166 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.080 he's the department that would go out to like Barbara 167 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.320 Hershey's house in the Entity and put up all the 168 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.559 equipment and just buy into everything. 169 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.919 It feels, yeah, it's very strange that they have these 170 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.480 two departments and they have this rivalry. But I did 171 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.840 enjoy the part where he starts talking about the psychic 172 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.840 that they had and that he was able to read 173 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.720 all of these cards and that they're the exact same 174 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.320 cards from Ghostbusters, and then you have Sigourney Weaver from 175 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.639 Ghostbusters debunking it. I thought that was really nice. 176 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.080 I didn't even think of that. That's actually really cool. 177 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.399 What I didn't like about that scene, and this is 178 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:23.679 something the movie does several times, is she explains Jones 179 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.039 that that person cheated and here's how they saw it 180 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.679 through the reflection of your glasses, and it should be 181 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.559 enough to just let that be, but instead they then 182 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.039 cut to Toby Jones taking his glasses of the card 183 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.639 to make sure that the audience understands that's how mirrors 184 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.600 work or whatever. And I felt like the movie was 185 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.159 constantly underlining the obvious at things like that. We start 186 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.600 off with these two and they're debunking this case where 187 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:56.399 it's a whole psychic medium thing, and basically it's the 188 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.600 what is it? The little girl and the mom basically 189 00:10:58.639 --> 00:10:59.799 don't want to live at this house. 190 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.120 The little girl has almost faked stuff, and then they 191 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.120 brought in a psychic and the psychic just exacerbated the 192 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.600 whole situation. And they go back to college and then 193 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.440 we get introduced to Toby Jones. We also get introduced 194 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.440 to Elizabeth Olsen as I guess she's a cipher for 195 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.519 the audience, and I never really get a beat on 196 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.480 her character, what she is, what motivates her, What do 197 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.080 you guys make of the Elizabeth Olsen character? 198 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.480 She really doesn't have a character in this film. She 199 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:33.879 is there to simply relay information to Killian Murphy so 200 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.960 that he doesn't have to have a self monologue because eventually, 201 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.080 spoiler alert Sigourney Weaver dies and that leaves him alone 202 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.200 in his research and he needs somebody to bounce off of, 203 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.320 and they find another student who's struggling with his American 204 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.399 accent that I don't remember the name of. But but 205 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.000 again I have no idea what she is. Is she a 206 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.919 research assistant, is she a fellow at the college. Is 207 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.200 she his student? I have no idea. 208 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.080 I think she's a student that he then recruits to 209 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.240 join the team. I think he even uses the phrase. 210 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.919 And then there's that recurring bit of Sigourney to both 211 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.759 of them saying, aren't you too. 212 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.080 Old for him? Isn't she too young for you? 213 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.799 That whole thing. She really is there just to be 214 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:27.799 a love interest slash in turn, but she does almost nothing. 215 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.559 Yeah, I think you're right. It almost feels like she's 216 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:35.159 a psychic projection at times. Is she even real that's. 217 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.600 Not out of the realm of the movie's possibility. 218 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.200 Yeah. And like you said, Sigourney Weaver dies about halfway 219 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.679 through this movie, which answers my question when I watched 220 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:49.039 the opening and I said, Killian Murphy gets top billing 221 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:54.120 above Sigourney Weaver because she's not in the movie that long. 222 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.519 She doesn't really have a whole lot of stuff to 223 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.840 do either, other than to talk about her son who's 224 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.200 in coma. How does he get into the coma? I 225 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:02.759 can't remember. 226 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.399 All I remember is when he takes him off life 227 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:08.840 support at the very end of the film. That's literal, 228 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.639 and she talks about being visited by a psychic and 229 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.639 being told information about him, and that's about it. That's 230 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.440 really we don't learn very much on that front, if 231 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:20.559 I remember correctly. 232 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:25.039 Well, And that's Sam Silver that tells her that the 233 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.919 sun was over his shoulder and asking for her to 234 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.919 let him go, and that's what really sets her off 235 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.200 against Sam Silver. And Sam Silver, of course is Robert 236 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.399 de Niro. And you guys probably saw my notes where 237 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.200 I'm just like, is something going on with his eyes? 238 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.000 Because at the beginning they make this big deal where 239 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.480 they show him and then he puts on dark glasses. 240 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.200 I'm like, okay, I had to watch that part like 241 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.960 three times to be like, oh, I guess his eyeballs 242 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:52.679 are weird. 243 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.039 He does that almost like the CSI Miami thing with 244 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.960 David Cruz. So he comes up playing with sunglasses. He 245 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:03.000 takes them off for exactly three seconds just so you 246 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.480 can see the camera lick zooms in so you can 247 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.759 see that is like, check out these fucked up contact 248 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.399 lens as I've got on to show you he's blind, 249 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.720 and then he puts it back on. There's zero reason 250 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.120 for him to do that other than just to convey that. 251 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.279 It looks like we got a cold case. 252 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:22.080 Right, Oh, yep, exactly. 253 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.600 And the second he took his sunglasses off, I'm like, 254 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.720 this guy isn't blind, literally, and then takes them off 255 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.240 and put them on, Like, why would you need to 256 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.799 do that to see what the air looks like. There's 257 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.879 no reason to take off your sunglasses whatsoever. 258 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:36.519 Distract the audience. 259 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:38.519 Yeah, keep them guessing. 260 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.639 Yeah, yeah, there is no doubt in my mind from 261 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:44.039 the very first moment I see him that he's not blind. 262 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:45.799 And that's the whole thing is, Oh my god, this 263 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.799 blind guy is doing all these things. No, he's not blind. 264 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:52.240 So Sam Silver is to your guys' point from earlier, 265 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.639 he's like Uri Geller mates Taylor Swift, and he's coming back. 266 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:02.120 He had retired all these years ago after someone died 267 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.799 that he had had a rivalry with or didn't like 268 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.600 this guy, and this guy dies, Oh my gosh, was 269 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.399 a psychic killing. No, it wasn't psychic killing. And we 270 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:14.720 really never ever find out what's going on with that 271 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.519 guy who had died and why he went into retirement 272 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.519 or why he's coming back. But he's back now and 273 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.080 the world is going fucking crazy. It's amazing how people 274 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:27.279 are just going nuts about this guy who's on tour 275 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.519 and we barely see him do anything while he's on 276 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.000 this tour. I really don't know what his show is like. 277 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.559 I think sitting through one of his acts would have 278 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.120 been really a smart idea for this movie. 279 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.559 The least played a few tracks off of Evermore. That's 280 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.399 a deep Taylor Swift reference for all the Swifties out 281 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:49.200 there in the audience. 282 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.480 The venn diagram of Swifties and projection booth listeners, it's 283 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.080 almost a solid circle. 284 00:15:55.879 --> 00:16:00.720 So de Niro's silver character and in retire for thirty 285 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.320 years is when a journalist had a heart attack in 286 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.080 his audience and I thought, oh, we're going to get 287 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.039 in like some Scanner's type of situation. We never did, 288 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:14.360 But that thirty years exactly lines up to Sigourney Weaver's 289 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.639 character saying early on that she hasn't seen a single 290 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.440 miracle in her thirty years of doing this. And that's 291 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.200 really important because the camera zooms in in pauses for 292 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.840 her to say that line, in thirty years, I haven't 293 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.159 seen a single miracle. That those timeframes are not accidental. 294 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.799 Every time there's something that the audience supposed to take 295 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.519 away as viewers you get that zoom. He's very fond 296 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:40.480 of the zoom and pause. 297 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.320 You do get a nice montage of the young days 298 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.440 of Simon Silver, where you get all this photoshop of 299 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.720 young Robert de Niro punching the Cassius clay. The old 300 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.360 pose of him because he was traveling in all the 301 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.639 best circles and looking so much like Lenny Bruce in 302 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.240 those photos as remarkable. 303 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.720 There's no shortage of young de Niro footage that they 304 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:10.039 could have used the photo shop in on that. I 305 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.440 don't get why he looks that way. 306 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.000 It still looks better than the Irishman. 307 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:14.839 It comes on. 308 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:17.480 Let's let's admit things. That's a brilliant film, but it 309 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:18.720 looks a lot better than that. 310 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:22.000 I don't really know what all Silver can do. And 311 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.440 it feels like Sam Silver is the combination of all 312 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:29.720 of these psychics they'd mentioned, the twisted spoons, the bent spoons, 313 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.160 and we even get Sigourdy Weaver. At one point she 314 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.200 lifts up her spoon out of her coffee and it's 315 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.720 been bent, and I'm like, was he there or what's 316 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.200 going on? No, we don't get an answer for that one. 317 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.920 We get him shots of him making objects float. We 318 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:51.200 get a sequence where he is projecting images onto polaroid film, 319 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.000 which I'm really glad. There's a podcast that I have 320 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.039 to recommend to people. It's called Richard Adams Paranormal Bookshelf, 321 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.039 where he goes through and he talks about a lot 322 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:03.759 of paranormal books. 323 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:06.880 Is that the creator of miracles, Richard Cattel. 324 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.640 It is the same person that created miracles. Yes. The 325 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:13.000 book he talks about with a psychic who is able 326 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.039 to project on the film is called The World of 327 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.759 Ted Cirios. He could do it for a little while 328 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:20.839 and then he stopped and we never get back to 329 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.359 it again. But yeah, I'm like, this guy can do everything. 330 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:26.599 And then the only time we really do get to 331 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.039 see him doing a show, he's floating around and moving 332 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.359 all around the stage and I'm just like, Okay, how 333 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.440 are they going to debunk this? I'm just waiting for 334 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.480 that to happen. We spend a lot more time with 335 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.240 this Argentinian psychic who basically is a miracle worker. He's 336 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.119 a faith hailer, and so we get that whole thing 337 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.519 and I'm like, Okay, I'm immediately thinking of Nightmare Alley 338 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.680 and the whole code stuff, but this is much more modern. 339 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:55.319 They're just using radio to transmit to his ear piece 340 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.839 and he's able to pull people out of the audience 341 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:01.799 after they do minimal detective work on some of these 342 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.200 people that are coming to the show. 343 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.839 Yeah, it's not even cold reading. It's completely assisted. 344 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.680 And de Niro he's floating like Magneto and X Men, 345 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:11.839 which that's true. 346 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:12.440 Oh Bazar. 347 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:16.799 But the whole debunking like live debunking, which is still 348 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.799 with the movie for this, But the whole time, I'm like, 349 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.200 why are they doing? Is this a hobby? Are they 350 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.319 getting paid through the university to do this? Do they 351 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.400 fancy themselves like some mind detective squad because they're like 352 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:34.000 undercover and taking photos from like doing surveillance, and they 353 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.680 never really talk about that. And then the Argentinian guy 354 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:43.240 ends up in prison because reasons, because it. 355 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.160 Feels like they cut like a ten minutes subplot out 356 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.440 of there and they're just like, yeah, no, I don't notice, 357 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.759 and it's fine even prison now, okay. 358 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:55.039 Today he'd have a Netflix series. He would not beat 359 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:55.559 in prison. 360 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.359 It would be a documentary first, and then he would 361 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:00.240 have the actor playing him. 362 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:06.319 It's likes miniseries that was one of the worst things 363 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.519 about the movie. I think, just story wise, how it's 364 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.319 unable to pay off what it's building too. And this 365 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:17.519 occurs what maybe halfway through this subplot, and I think 366 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.279 the prison part may be in the second half, but 367 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:22.960 I was just like, wait, why is he there? I 368 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.839 don't remember a scene about this. It's just he's exposed 369 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.720 and next thing we know, he's in prison. Like they 370 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:31.559 ever throw anyone like that in prison. 371 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.640 Now they just give him infomercials. 372 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.039 Yeah, thinking of all the faith healers that were on 373 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.200 TV in the eighties. That was such a prime time 374 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.920 of the seven hundred Club. And then that was the guy. 375 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.440 He had this amazing like gray kind of flat top. 376 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:50.039 He looked like he was maybe like Indiana me was, 377 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:50.680 isn't it was? 378 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.839 I know who you're talking about? Yeah, Hamberg's name that 379 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:55.440 I know exactly who you're talking about. 380 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.000 I didn't even get the whole thing with the because 381 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:00.119 they make a second stop and they go see this 382 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.640 little kid who is apparently an artist. 383 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.559 But it has an automatic painter. And that's the line 384 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.319 I was referencing when you introduced me, that you paint, 385 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.359 can't you write? 386 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:11.279 You? 387 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.079 Because that's the way the mom screams to the kids, 388 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.960 the kids are supposed to do his thing, and wouldn't 389 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.480 that just be painting. I don't understand what automatic painting is. 390 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.720 I don't get it either. They so poorly explain that. 391 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.880 And then after they turn on the music really loud, 392 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.319 which is supposed to help him, before he even does anything, 393 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.079 they cut to them in the car laughing about it. 394 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.000 I'm like, what did I just miss? And yeah, it 395 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.119 feels very shoppy. This whole film does feel like there 396 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:41.839 is a lot of stuff missing. 397 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:46.240 Which is ironic considering that Rodrigo Cortez edited the film 398 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:46.680 as well. 399 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.599 Yeah, maybe he needed somebody else to edit this, because yeah, 400 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.640 it feels like we're missing a lot of set up 401 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.279