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Speaker 1: Dripping like Michael Phelps a lot of lines.

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Speaker 2: The track is called Drip.

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Speaker 1: The voice behind it, the creator behind it, the artist

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behind it is actor musician Michael V.

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Speaker 2: Epps aka Mikey. I think that dropped it in twenty

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nineteen something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's called Drip, and I'm pleased to have Michael VPPs

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on this program, primarily to talk about the end of

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the highly acclaimed series The Shy, where he played Jake Taylor.

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We'll get to his music and what's next for him

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in a moment, but before I get to the conversation

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with Michael V. Epps, here is some sound from the finale.

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Speaker 2: Of The Shy.

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Speaker 3: So you're looking at apartments my building going up on

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the red Do you want to move here with me?

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Don't play with me? Look, that's a big step, I know.

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Are you ready for that? I think so? You better

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be sure. Let's just true. Would that make us official?

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What you mean by official?

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Speaker 4: I mean no cheating?

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Speaker 2: M sure.

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Speaker 3: You don't sound sure.

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Speaker 4: I can't promise I'd be perfect, but I'm down true.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 1: That clip is both poignant and funny to me in

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a variety of ways.

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Speaker 2: Michael, you's get to have you on how are you, sir?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 2: How are you man?

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Speaker 1: If I can plain that being in great, I'm doing

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well and thanks for thanks for giving us a little

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Speaker 2: So when you hear that clip, what what do you hear?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear, I hear a young.

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Speaker 4: Man that knows what he wants and and it sounds

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like he's trying to.

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Speaker 3: Compromise with his lady. Young man trying to get his

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life together at a young age. That's what I hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned a couple of times already, The Shy,

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this acclaimed series, has finally come to an end. So

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the obvious question for you is what do you make

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of the series now that it's concluded? Uh, the impact

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that it has had and will have in the future.

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Every every one of us, you know, uh builds careers

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based upon you know, laying one brick at a time.

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So we'll talk about how you build your career moving

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forward given the brick you've laid, called The Shy. But

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it's talk to me about the series and the way

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you see its impact.

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Speaker 4: I see it's impac is a big one the culture,

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and not just for the culture, but also the youth.

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You know, on The Shy is one of those shows

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that once when it comes on, you're you gathering around

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your front room and the living room with your family

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to come watch it. You know, this is some people

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would like to call uh think, I forget the name

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for it, but it would be like their relaxing show.

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They're unwind the time. You know, this is be their

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their getaway. And I would like to have the Shot

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in the category as those household shows such as Martin's

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The The I guess you can the Powers, the Empires

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and you feel me all those shows And when people

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watching now We're in the future, I just want.

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Speaker 1: Them to.

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Speaker 4: See a story being told of a community that's misunderstood

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and misinterpreted, and when they watch the shot, want them

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to see more of the truth and what can be

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and what can happen the stories and outcome as they

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can come from these communities.

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Speaker 1: When you say that you think the show The Shy,

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the series was a big win for the culture. Unpacked

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that for mere big win for the culture in what waves.

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Speaker 4: In ways And I guess you could say stereotypes because

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I feel like the shot really debunks a lot of those,

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especially the city itself. You feel me when you hear Chicago,

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or when you look at Chicago from the outside looking

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in somebody who's never been there or don't know too

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much about it, or are you see as violence or

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that's what the media portrays to you. But if you

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actually been in Chicago, you're from Chicago, you know Chicago.

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Speaker 3: And we had a complete opposite of that.

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Speaker 4: Chicago is a beautiful, loving, fun city, you know, and

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you don't know that until you come there. And that's

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one of my favorite things about the shot. I feel

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like that's what the shot captures the most about it. Then, Yeah,

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you know, but everybody knows, Like that's kind of that's

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the history of Chicago too. What a lot of people

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don't know. It's like the human ezed side of it.

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Speaker 3: The truth is that's what a lot of people don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shows common shows go. You know that better than

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most because you're in the business obviously, so they come

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and they go. It's not often the case, not always

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the case that the show gets two, three, four, five, six,

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seven plus seasons, the Shy ran what seven or eight seasons?

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good long run. To what do you attribute its longevity

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that it got eight seasons out of it's city? I'm sorry,

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this show, unlike some shows that get one season, sometimes

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half a season, sometimes they get canceled with at the

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first couple of episodes, this show ran for eight long

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seasons to what do you attribute the fact that the

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show was able to have legs that long?

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Speaker 4: Again, just I got to give it to the authenticity

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of it, for I really feel like that really plays

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and made a part in it that and not only that,

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but as the show go on and progresses.

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Speaker 3: Another thing we did was we listened to the people.

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Speaker 4: We integrated their suggestions into the show and certain things

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and it was a certain type of wardrobe they want

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to put them on, and we was gonna say it

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was like, yeah, they'd be already on black Twitter talking

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Speaker 3: We got to change with out of that.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, it's the small things like that that

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make a show amazing and people love it, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny you say that. Now we're just

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talking about Barack Obama. Uh, and you probably only recall

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this story and it's tan suit that he wore back

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in twenty fourteen, all the drama that came because of

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the wardrobe choice that he made that particular day. So

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you're right, all these intangibles make a difference in the

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way a show is seen, the show is received, and

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how it leans into the authentic story it is trying

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to tell. We've come to the end after eight seasons

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of The Shy.

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Speaker 2: Michael V.

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Speaker 1: Epps aka Mikey played Jake Taylor on the program. A

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bit more about that and his music when we come

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forward here on Tavis Smile was probably an actor a musician.

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Speaker 2: Michael V.

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Speaker 1: Epps aka Mikey played Jake Taylor on the highly acclaimed

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series The Shy, which just ended after an eight year run.

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So it's a blessing to get a good long run

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on any series these days. But once that series is over,

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you got to figure out what the next step is.

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How do you build on the foundation that that particular

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Speaker 2: So, Michael, what happens next for you? Acting?

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Speaker 1: We get to the music here in a second, but

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acting wise, how do you build on this opportunity to

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: You know, of course, as an acting you never know

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when your next job is, so you just keeping working

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and keeping yourself relevant. But aside from that, the pedestal

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that the show has put me on and the big

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fan base support that it's gave is giving me. One

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I'm grateful, and two I'm I'm just gonna keep I'm

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just gonna continue to feed them with things that they

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that they love and that they continue to follow me

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and mind me for until my next dick break come,

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or I get another audition and or somebody hits me

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up like hey, come do this movie?

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Speaker 3: Dumping this movie?

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Speaker 4: So until then, probably just be putting out stuff like well, actually,

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I'm gonna start getting behind the camera, so probably start

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putting out on my own auditions for that or casting

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calls for that, you know, And I got other stuff

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and I'm working on behind the scenes aside from the

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Speaker 2: Me what, tell me what, what's What's what's intriguing you

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Speaker 3: The camera.

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Speaker 4: Just the fact being able to tell my own story,

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discovered with music is like music is it's your own art.

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It's your own everything from the beat selection to your lyrics,

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to your livery to everything is yours is your own art.

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like I wonder what that'll be on the actor side,

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working with different directors and just listen to the instructions

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Speaker 3: It kind of inspired me, like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I can do this, Like I'm specifical what I want,

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and I know what I want, and I know how

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to tell you how what I want and tell you

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how I want to deliver in a specific way. So

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just thinking about all that and sitting back, I'm like,

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have some interesting story that I want to be told,

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some wild dreams and just the stuff that I've been

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learning relearning history and all that is definitely some things

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that I want to write on a paper and making

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my own movie or show or something.

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talking about your music, what is your greatest takeaway? What

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will you most appreciate about having played the character Jake

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Taylor on the Shot?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 4: Probably being able to, like I said, tell a story

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of of a group of people, group of kids who

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don't really be who's not able to speak for theirself.

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before they're spoken to, the people who always talked about

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from the ones on the outside looking in, but they

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don't really know these people personally. You know. That's kind

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of like one of the biggest things or like the

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proudest thing that I'm happy to be to be able

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to be a part of from the Shot and playing Jake.

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like I said, you know, to debunk that that that

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theory or whatever you want to call it, that people

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pend on those people, So to give them that real

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inside look, to show like not all people that come

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from that choose that one way, that one route That's

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one of my favorite things about JA like you in

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the show, Oh season one, you see early on.

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Speaker 3: All day, he knows this, this is not the way

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he wanted to go. I got bigger and better dreams.

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Speaker 4: So being able to embody that carret there and portray

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that I was, I'm more than is more than a

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happy morning, more than grateful.

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Speaker 2: All right, many moments of Michael Vipps.

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Speaker 1: When we come forward here on Tavis Smiley left in

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this program today with a full show.

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Speaker 2: It's been We're.

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Speaker 1: Almost there, almost succeeded at getting this eighty pound show

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in this forty pounds bag. It's been quite the lift today,

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but we made it. I give the last word to

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Michael Viepps. So we talked about the shy eight seasons,

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a great run and not's come to a close. Michael

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Vipps will build on that, no question about it. But

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he's also, as I mentioned earlier, an artist. We started

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this thirty minute segment playing some of his music, a

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track called Drip. So in ninety seconds, Michael tell me

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how the music is coming on, what you're working on

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the music side. Michael, unmute yourself if you're muted, Okay.

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Speaker 2: There you got here, now, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Go for it, Go for it, I said, the music

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is coming along. Well, man, I got a single that

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I dropped last summer. It's on our platform.

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Speaker 3: You can go get it now. Look up, Mike. That's

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the name for now until for her the notice. Right now,

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I'm just working on other stuff. I got another song

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that I'm gonna drop is called on and On, And

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I just in the studio the other day I recorded

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some other stuff, and I just.

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Speaker 4: Got songs in the vault, man, A song that I

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can't drop I'm gonna redo, and then just a bunch

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more that I'm writing, like I'm writing new songs every day.

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Speaker 1: So that's that stuff in the vault as you write

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new tracks every day. So we will continue in the

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years to come to hear the music of Michael V. Epps,

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and I'm sure we'll see his face on the big

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screen of the small screen in the future. But we

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congratulate Michael Epps and the entire cast, Aleana Waite and

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her vision the entire cast the cruise a good eight year.

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Speaker 2: Run for the shot.

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Speaker 1: I think Michael said it best earlier that it really

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does or did change people's minds about the stereotypes of

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a place like Chicago. In that regard, it was, as

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Michael said, a contribution to the culture.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Actor musician Michael VIPs aka Mikey played Jake Taylor on

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the shot, and we look forward to what his career

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will unfold in the months and.

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Speaker 2: Years to come. Michael, good to have you on. All

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the best of you and enjoy the rest of your day, sir.

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Speaker 3: Likewise, just like.

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Speaker 1: That three hours ago and we did it. Eighty pounds show,

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forty pound bag. Hopefully tomorrow, Jay Feraji, don't bring me

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no eighteen guests tomorrow. I A'm doing it two days

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in a row anyway, Love y'all.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tabby Smiley. Until next time, keep the faith.