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<v Speaker 1>Doors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Chip Hard and

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<v Speaker 1>at it again, no time crossed this morning. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fine. I need to take a little break, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's doing good from him, Yeah, I know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch his Facebook page, he's got to take

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to put up a picture every single time

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<v Speaker 1>he's in here.

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<v Speaker 2>But enough of that nonsense. Mike Moore is with me.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the editor of Ohio Outdoor News. Good morning, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>and I circle back to the last issue of Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Outdoor News and big fish Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh how about that big nine and a half pound

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<v Speaker 3>bass caught by a guy Nakron.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never even heard of the lake before.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's a it's a popular one up there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I do all those lake profiles on the back page,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've heard of them Masilla before, and I've done

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<v Speaker 3>I've done stories on it, but I've never been up there,

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<v Speaker 3>never fished it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do you know do you recall how big

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<v Speaker 1>that reservoir is? Because we're talking, we're talking a big

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<v Speaker 1>bass for Ohio, you know, something something rarely seen you

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<v Speaker 1>know north of uh Hell, Georgia for that matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no kidding, is almost nine and a half pounds.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy named Will Loops and he lives up in Akron.

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<v Speaker 4>He caught it. Ne Masilla is a fairly big reservoir.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yep, but I'm not sure on the acreage of it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's it's a big place.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Will assume he's fished it before, but uh, he was not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, according to according to him, he was not

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<v Speaker 1>a big crank bait guy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, And he had never fished this before. He

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<v Speaker 3>had never fished in myself.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, he had.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He had fished it, but maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a few times, not very much. And uh buddy buddy

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<v Speaker 3>of his talked him into going Chiff and uh they

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go because it was cold that day, he said, And

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<v Speaker 4>he said they.

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<v Speaker 3>Knock ice off their their rods and uh but he's sure.

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<v Speaker 3>He sure was glad to be there when he caught

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<v Speaker 3>that big fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was back in early April.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, you know, I can't Ohio's Ohio's record seems

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<v Speaker 1>to me is like eleven pounds or something like thirteen thirteen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so really you know that, Uh, that's a good way

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<v Speaker 1>from ways from thirteen. But he released it, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>good news and it'll be out there to fight another day.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I thought that was awesome that he did that.

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<v Speaker 3>He he talked about, you know, maybe a kid will

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<v Speaker 3>get interested in fishing, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, go out there and try to catch that soccer again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of going back and reading your

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<v Speaker 1>letters to the editor, which I always find they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're definitely fine. So where where's all the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the issues coming from regarding uh uh, you know, raising

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<v Speaker 1>non resident licenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously been hearing some of that and.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't really you know, been hearing much, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the street or anything, but apparently people would like

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<v Speaker 1>to see that happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially the residents.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been getting the letters from a lot of residents

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<v Speaker 4>who support it. Now, I did have one resident who

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<v Speaker 4>did not support it. He said it was it was

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<v Speaker 4>too much, too quick.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course the non residents, a couple of them

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<v Speaker 3>have written into and said this is crazy and it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's too high and I can't remember the details on

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<v Speaker 3>the on the what it they're going to boost it too,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was quite a jump chip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there it is under consideration I guess by

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<v Speaker 1>Divisional Wildlife and the Wildlife Council obviously. Uh and I

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<v Speaker 1>at last, at last blush. You know, I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>we were pretty close with say, you know, Kentucky or

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana regarding you know, non resident licenses for for Buckeyes

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase. So there's nothing, there's no reason it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be even Stephen you know rec Yeah, yeah, yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they they pay what we have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>if we go go there.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot of people suggest that, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>if I go to Indiana, I should pay you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever that is and that and the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They come to Ohio they pay what what that is?

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think it makes sense, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what they'll come to eventually. So we'll

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see how that shakes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sometimes things don't make sense, but they really do.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's always in the eyes of the beholder, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see, let's see, well, let's circle out. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have my next issue coming or in my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>When when will we see that? Okay, Saturday morning right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, it's may till next Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and we got you know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about what they approved the waterfowl regulations for

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<v Speaker 3>the fall. Yeah, we're talking about spring turkey and the

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<v Speaker 3>fall turkey hunt.

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<v Speaker 4>Chip is another one. We should talk about the fall turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why don't we do that after the break?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm starting to see a little Moore on that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, on Facebook, my prime source for news,

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<v Speaker 1>they go there. Actually the only acurate stuff has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with fishing and hunting and the outdoors. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it you could just forget. So, Mike, Mike Moore,

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<v Speaker 1>Editor Ohio Outdoor News, you said tight, We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>with more on the Big Outdoors. Home of the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Red seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>W l W UDO seven hundred w l W.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we're back the Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW Cincinnati, Chip Hard. My guest is Mike Moore, editor

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<v Speaker 1>of Ohio Outdoor News.

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<v Speaker 2>Stick around for me.

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<v Speaker 1>A hell of a great day at the Big One

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<v Speaker 1>here News Radio seven hundred y W l W.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Mike, when.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of left off, you know, you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the the fall turkey season, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>seeing more comments in social media about the Ohio fall season.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, quite personally, you know, I think they should

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<v Speaker 1>just scrap it. I mean, they don't shoot that many birds.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're seeing the comments, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, And it's scheduled from October twenty four October first,

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<v Speaker 3>October twenty six this fall. But there were some Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>Wildlife Council members who voted against even having a season.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so yeah, so they you know, they they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want they killing turkeys of either sex in the fall.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to if they do have a season, they

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<v Speaker 3>want to spare the hens and think I think it

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense, you know, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>How that goes. There's a lot of states dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>that right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, depending on where you are in Ohio, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the popular can be can look pretty lean, some for

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<v Speaker 1>some some for obvious reasons. Others there's just you've got uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an onslaught of bobcats and coyotes and and things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that impacting it. And we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what the hatch rate is going to be this spring

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<v Speaker 1>based on all the rain we've had. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they only kill a thousand birds, right right, it's somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>around there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Sometimes it's not even a thousand. It's it's a

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<v Speaker 4>very low number.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the council members pointed out that it's

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<v Speaker 3>mostly deer hunters. Yeah, that just opportunity arises and they

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<v Speaker 3>kill a turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's absolutely bow hunting, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bow hunters exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they kill less than a thousand, and but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that it makes sense to have hens

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<v Speaker 4>I never understood.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I never did either.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean no, I mean, that's that's that's the breeding stock,

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<v Speaker 2>There's no ja seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>So how about the next issue, you guys touching on

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<v Speaker 1>the guide certification?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, good, yes, we thanks to you, Chip. We got

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<v Speaker 4>on that and the Angelo that you had on the

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<v Speaker 4>show last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and uh what about that? What do you think

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<v Speaker 3>about that? Voluntary?

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<v Speaker 1>I well, you know, I understand that the lake Erie

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<v Speaker 1>Guide uh you know certification uh uh started voluntary, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's now mandatory. I was involved in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the early focus group meetings before COVID, and then those

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<v Speaker 1>had to go away. Uh, and then it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just uh, I guess you want to call metastasized while

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<v Speaker 1>we were on you know, on and around other things

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<v Speaker 1>and lo and behold, and I stayed in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>wildlife and I participated as a landowner okay, and not

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<v Speaker 1>my capacity here because I had certain experience is that

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll go mandatory at some point, maybe two

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<v Speaker 1>years down the line.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're all things, you know, in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>qualifications that that really needed to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's a great thing to uh. Like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, I do expect it to be mandatory at

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<v Speaker 4>some point because they've.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotta they gotta get a rain on some of these outfitters,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're getting more and more every year.

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<v Speaker 4>And you guys in southern Ohio know that bad than anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it because of the way too, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the white tails, you know, the big the big white tails,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And that that focus group had members of

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<v Speaker 1>the outfitting community that were in favor of it because

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<v Speaker 1>it weeds out the bad apples.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, and that makes a lot of sense, absolutely, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting here, I just got my Wildlife Reports

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<v Speaker 1>Field Reports. You probably got it too, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the recent one in southeast Ohio. You had a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that was guiding another hunter for turkey and and the

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<v Speaker 1>client was properly licensed, but the guide did not have

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<v Speaker 1>a ballot hunting license or you know, or a spring

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<v Speaker 1>turkey pyermit. So, oh my god, so the get the

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<v Speaker 1>defendant pleaded guilty in Pike County for for hunting without

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<v Speaker 1>a ballid hunting license and hunting turkeys without a permit.

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<v Speaker 3>Gee.

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<v Speaker 1>How coincidentally, how often do you think that happens?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly exactly. I think you know, it probably happens

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. And these guys they need to crack down,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. And I have not experienced a bad, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a bad situation with outfitters.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's really real simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Big One.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all there is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, sports, Gerbil, they're an eccentric bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>I really got to tell you that. So a big

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<v Speaker 1>You may or may not care, but I'm sitting at

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, okay, and my wife has a book on

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<v Speaker 1>the table called sixty Hikes sixty miles around the Greater

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati area, which includes southwest Ohio, northern Kentucky, and southern Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>And I look, I look at the h the author's name.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going Tammy York. I know that name. I'll be damned, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>came from a different place in time, back in back

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<v Speaker 1>Wildlife and Tammy Welcome to the Big Outdoors. And I

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<v Speaker 1>got to tell you what I thumbed through it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a book. I you know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>hike in the woods, it's to shed hunt or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or for burrell mushrooms or critters, which my kids still

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<v Speaker 6>I wrote the book with the idea that I would

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<v Speaker 6>be comfortable sending a mom with two kids on any

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<v Speaker 6>of the hikes, and that there would be some challenges too.

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<v Speaker 6>So the people who are more experienced hiking there would

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<v Speaker 6>be hikes that would give them a challenge, and the

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<v Speaker 6>people who were brand new to hiking there would be

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<v Speaker 6>hikes successful to them that they would be able to

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<v Speaker 6>go and enjoy as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I mean, now I do like the bird watch,

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<v Speaker 1>but typically I might be squirrel hunting or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>darn good bird watching because of the Ohio Valley and

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<v Speaker 2>And so the what was it the Okay, the impetus

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<v Speaker 6>And to make it so it was easier for people

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<v Speaker 6>be kind of almost like a barrier, like a fear

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<v Speaker 6>the wolf in the woods type idea that it's scary

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<v Speaker 6>and it's something to kind of be fearful of. And

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<v Speaker 6>how strenuous it's going to be, where it's located at,

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<v Speaker 6>what they're going to see along the trail, any of

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<v Speaker 6>the history along the trail. Both Man made history, geological history,

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<v Speaker 6>So it took away that fear factor and made it

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, we have some great I guess

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<v Speaker 1>mean there there, I mean there's really a lot and

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<v Speaker 1>you could spend a year just you know, across this

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's something that's really nice about the Cincinnati area

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<v Speaker 6>is that, you know, we're right in the center point

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<v Speaker 6>the eye, so to speak of you know, Indiana, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 6>and Ohio. So you have a lot of variety in

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<v Speaker 6>the hikes. There's a lot of geological variety and where

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<v Speaker 6>you can go hike. You know, if you go over

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<v Speaker 6>get with the area like around dinsmore So, there's just

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<v Speaker 6>so much variety, and it's it's just quite the adventure

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<v Speaker 6>because depending on what type of habitat you want to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can go as you know, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>want flat land okay, or I want a little more topography,

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<v Speaker 1>what we've got. You don't need a big you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, a good curtain of shoes will get you a

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<v Speaker 6>long way on hiking, especially around this area. We're not

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<v Speaker 6>you're doing like some of the backpacking trails, you're going

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<v Speaker 6>is shoes and good pair of socks. I would say,

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<v Speaker 6>like if somebody's getting started hiking, that's what you need

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<v Speaker 6>bottom of the rest of the stuff you could add

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<v Speaker 6>on as you go along, but that's really what you're

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<v Speaker 4>At your feet.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you can do tills and wow, that's not

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<v Speaker 6>a good it's still you can go hiking in a

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<v Speaker 1>All right, how's the best way to get sixty hikes

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<v Speaker 1>sixty miles? I know Amazon looks like you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>runs about sixteen seventeen dollars, so I mean there's all

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Amazon, ARII, Rose, Rivers and Trails carries it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>so a lot of the outdoor retailers, Benchmark carries it.

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<v Speaker 6>In the Cinititi area. We'll have the book in stock

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<v Speaker 6>and then of course you can order it online both

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<v Speaker 6>through Amazon and through my publisher, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Key Bright Tammy York.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the time this morning, and that's fantastic, great

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<v Speaker 1>catch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Up you dood bye, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>The big outdoors hitting the break news Radio seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW Cincinnati back in a moment. See Turkey season in

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio ends tomorrow. But let's see the harvest or kill

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<v Speaker 1>so far as of May eleventh is thirteen and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight birds, which let's see, we're not close to where

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<v Speaker 1>we were last year, but which was fourteen thousand, three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and some chain, so we're close.

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<v Speaker 2>We could hit that. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely positive the hands are on the nest, that is

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<v Speaker 1>is really strong this year, and this out of New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Outdoor Life, one Brian Melvin was fifteen feet

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<v Speaker 1>high in a climbing tree stand holding his seventy two pound,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two pound bow, which had to be a typo.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably a twelve pound bow. He's waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>a huge BlackBerry. Knew was in the area, and he

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<v Speaker 1>took a massive seven hundred and seventy pound record black

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<v Speaker 1>bear in New Jersey. And you would think New Jersey, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the sopranos, okay, smog all that kind of stuff. But no, sirree,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a black bear population over there. But kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interested what kind of bow he actually had because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't seventy two pounds. You couldn't even get up

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<v Speaker 1>a damn tree with that thing, much less pull it

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<v Speaker 1>up with a rope or pull it back. So Danny

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<v Speaker 1>get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Teffan's next The Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Be safe on the woods and safe on the water,

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