WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.000 Company. What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:08.320 Hope that everybody's having a great morning so far, and 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:13.279 hopefully the rest of your day is even better. You've 4 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:17.519 probably noticed that I uploaded a couple of episodes of 5 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.280 a series that I created called That's Wild, and in 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.120 that series, I discuss some of the more weird or 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:30.359 offbeat news from around the world. Now, I have received 8 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:34.640 a ton of emails overnight about that That's Wild episodes, 9 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.719 and yeah, I definitely have a few more that I 10 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.359 will post up for you. I know. It's kind of 11 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:43.719 a nice change considering the heavy topic that we discuss 12 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.640 here on this podcast all the time. So there needs 13 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.759 to be a little bit of a break every now 14 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.359 and then, right, We can't just continue on the path 15 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.000 of just the type of content where we need to 16 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.960 drink bleach afterwards. We have to break that monotony up 17 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.479 little bit. So that's why I came up with That's 18 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.439 Wild segments, and their home base is over at my 19 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.920 other podcast, Beyond the Horizon. But instead of sending you 20 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.000 folks to, you know, find another podcast to subscribe to 21 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.599 and all of that jazz, I'll just cross post stuff 22 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:21.439 like that. Over here as well, and it's all clearly labeled. 23 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:24.359 I know some of you are only interested in content 24 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.319 about Epstein and Maxwell, and like I said yesterday, I 25 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.000 get that understood. But there's definitely gonna be some crossover episodes. 26 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.879 So those of you who are interested in listening to them, 27 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.040 and it seems like a lot of you are, well, 28 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.239 they'll be there for you. There's gonna be a few 29 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:43.239 more today as well, and we're just gonna keep it rolling, folks. 30 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.519 You know, there is so much going on in this case, 31 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:50.480 as far as Jeffrey Epstein, Glene Maxwell, the co conspirators, 32 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.200 and other cases like it around the world, that we 33 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:57.599 could legitimately sit here every day and pump out three 34 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:03.079 or four episodes on these kinds of people. That's how 35 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:07.079 pervasive this issue really is, and that's how much information 36 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.120 is out there. And I plan on continuing to do 37 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.960 just that. As you can see, I have a bunch 38 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.120 of episodes that have been recorded in the catalog already 39 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:22.360 that I've been uploading for context purposes, and we add 40 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:26.319 at least one new episode every single day. In fact, 41 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.120 I ran out of space yesterday at Spreaker and had 42 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.919 to upgrade my plan so that we could keep everything 43 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.599 rolling and make sure that the catalogs weren't done away 44 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:42.159 with or anything like that. But for me, now that 45 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.240 I plan on, you know, creating content full time, it 46 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.240 is just a no brainer to have that extra space anyways. 47 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.319 So we're going to continue to keep going until we 48 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.240 have to upgrade and get more space, and on and 49 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.960 on and on and on after that, because I'll tell 50 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.360 you what, there is no shortage of bad news out there, folks, 51 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.240 But you know what, there is a shortage of truthful 52 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:14.120 people bringing the news to you. Way too much bs 53 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.159 out there. I'm interested in one thing and one thing only, folks, 54 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.319 and that's getting to the bottom of all of this stuff. 55 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.520 Just like you. I'm just a regular, average person, just 56 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.960 like most of you out there, and I want answers. 57 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.400 And unfortunately, the people who are employed in these media 58 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:33.759 outlets and these you know, these corporations, they're not interested 59 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:38.479 in getting to the truth. So it falls on independent 60 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.759 content creators and dependent journalists to try and move that 61 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.879 ball forward. And you know, now, like I said previously, 62 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.560 the year twenty twenty two, I'm here for it full time. 63 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.479 One hundred percent of the time I spent a lot 64 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.919 of time in the studio previously, but now that the 65 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.639 rest of my schedule is cleared up, is freed up, 66 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.639 and now that I am able to think about content 67 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:07.759 one hundred percent of the time, I am excited to 68 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.120 bring some of these projects to you, to share some 69 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.240 of these projects with you, and hopefully get the conversation 70 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:19.199 moving in a few different ways. One thing you can 71 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.879 guarantee though, is that we're going to be here every 72 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.680 single day. Now. Look, there's people out there that are 73 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.399 way more talented than me. There are people out there 74 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.040 that are way smarter than me. You know what, You're 75 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.160 not going to find, though, You're not going to find 76 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.519 people out there that are covering this story that are 77 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.839 going to outwork me. I pride myself on my level 78 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.360 of commitment to following this story and continuing to bring 79 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.040 you folks the information. And while again I might not 80 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.120 be the smartest guy in the world, certainly not the 81 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.240 most talented, but when it comes to work ethic, you 82 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.800 will be hard pressed to find anyone that is going 83 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:07.000 to out hustle me. At this point, I live, breathe, 84 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:11.040 and sleep this content, folks. That's all I think about 85 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.079 is what the next segment's going to be how we're 86 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.839 going to present it and how we're going to use 87 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.879 the information to help get justice to the most vulnerable 88 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.160 amongst us, Because guess what, at the end of the day, 89 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.560 if we don't stand up for ourselves and we don't 90 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.519 stand up for those in our communities, nobody's going to 91 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.000 do it for us. These rich people don't care about us. Oh, 92 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.680 I've donated seven billion dollars, yet your friend's charity that 93 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.360 he pocketed half of it. Probably you want to be 94 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.360 a real philanthropist. Do you want to impress me? Get 95 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.879 a couple of those big fat bags of money and 96 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.439 head down to the urban area of your city and 97 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.120 start passing that money out. Knock on people's doors in 98 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.680 poor neighborhoods and ask them if you could pay their rent. 99 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.600 That would impress me. Not giving your money to some 100 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.480 other charity, so you're boy can piece meal it off 101 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.040 so everybody can get a taste like it's the mafia. 102 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.120 Stop it. I'm not impressed by it. Oh, Jeff Bezos, 103 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.319 I don't care. I don't care. All of these people, 104 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.120 all of these billionaires, the whole billionaire class is gross. 105 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.959 They have the real power and not just the money, 106 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.160 but the power and influence to advance civilization. And I 107 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.959 don't and that's not hyperbole. They literally could advance civilization. 108 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.680 I'm not saying that they should be taxed into oblivion, 109 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.519 So I'm not saying that. I'm talking about the nonsense 110 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.720 they engage in, the wasted money and all of the 111 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.759 other bs that goes along with it. They could really 112 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.920 make an impact, They could really make a change if 113 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.439 they wanted to, but they don't want to. They want 114 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.680 to give you the image that they're a person of change. Oh, 115 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.160 we care about this charity or that charity, and it's 116 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:57.000 all really a hustle. What they're doing is protecting themselves 117 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.279 later on down the line so that when they get 118 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.160 clipped like Beffrey Epstein or Leon Black or Glenn Dubin 119 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.959 or Les Wexner or any of these other scumbags, they 120 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.759 can fall back on their charitable givings and use it 121 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.439 like a suit of armor. I'm tired of it. They 122 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:17.439 love doing that nonsense, and their pals in the legacy media, 123 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:21.560 they sure do provide cover for it, don't they. Well, 124 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:26.000 hopefully people are starting to catch on, and hopefully people 125 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.000 are starting to understand that the garbage on CNN, Fox News, 126 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.600 that's just propaganda. They're not attempting to hold anybody accountable. 127 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.480 They're looking to score political points. They're looking to carry 128 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.399 water for insert politician here or political party here, and 129 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:48.199 we go right along with it. Well, not me, I'm not. 130 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.399 There's zero chance I'm consuming any of that garbage, folks. 131 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.079 And I would hope that in the year twenty twenty two, 132 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.399 with all of the other options out there for you 133 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.920 independent journalists and otherwise, that you'd be doing the same thing. 134 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.920 The legacy media is just an absolute dumpster fire. And now, 135 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.120 of course I'm not saying the whole legacy media right 136 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.839 like there's no good journalists. There are, there are a 137 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.959 lot of them. I'm talking about the corporate structure and 138 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.759 the way the decisions are made inside of the boardroom. 139 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.040 That's what I have an issue with, not the hard 140 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.600 working journalists for the most part, who are out there, 141 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.720 you know, busting their ass trying to get a story. 142 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.920 Those people are essential. Those are the people I want 143 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:36.159 to protect. It's the corporate overlords that I have an 144 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:42.879 issue with, the modern day robber barons, folks, and they're 145 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.840 in control of everything you hear, you learn, and you see. 146 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.360 They need to be held to a higher level of accountability. 147 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:52.720 And unfortunately they've been able to get away with their 148 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:57.360 nonsense for way too long. But now that things are 149 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.200 starting to shift a bit and there is a a 150 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:04.279 way bigger footprint for independent journalists and people in the media, 151 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:09.480 things are definitely taking a turn and more people are 152 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.919 relying on independent journalists for their news, are supporting independent 153 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.399 journalists with their own money as opposed to spending you know, 154 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.320 ten bucks a month on the Washington Post or whatever. 155 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.000 And that's definitely the way things are turning. And the 156 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.559 legacy media understands that, and that's why you'll see them 157 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:34.960 lash out a lot at independent content creators or independent journalists, 158 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.000 call them conspiracy theorists and stuff like that, because they 159 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:41.120 understand that they are not in control of the narrative anymore. 160 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.279 And once they lost control of the narrative, meaning the 161 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:48.080 corporate media, that certainly was the beginning of the end 162 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.759 for them to harbor the reputation of people like Maxwell 163 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:55.240 or Epstein. They couldn't get away with it anymore because 164 00:09:55.759 --> 00:10:00.840 social media and the survivors themselves took to the people 165 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.440 you and frankly, you were all fired up and pissed 166 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.759 off about it. And those of you who have just 167 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.799 heard about this case, I feel the righteous indignation. I 168 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:15.600 understand the burning anger that you are harboring in your 169 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.879 hearts right now towards these people. I am getting the emails, 170 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:20.919 I am reading them, and I am trying to work 171 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.320 through them. But folks, believe me, I understand those of 172 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.600 you who weren't aware of what was going on here 173 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.440 besides just a surface idea, and you know, you get 174 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.480 the whole curtain pulled back in an eye full. It's 175 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.919 a lot to take in. But remember how the legacy 176 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.120 media framed this as a conspiracy theory for all these years, 177 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.440 when in reality it was a criminal conspiracy, an international 178 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:51.519 criminal conspiracy is what it was, not a conspiracy theory. 179 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.240 And now, thankfully they can't run that narrative anymore because 180 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:02.600 that's been shattered, especially with Maxwell's conviction. So moving forward, 181 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:08.559 we all know that the legacy media really can't be trusted, 182 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:13.960 right and hopefully in the year twenty twenty two they 183 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.799 take that into account and they get their shit together 184 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.360 and start doing the right thing. Now, believe me, I'm 185 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.679 not holding my breath. But the good news is that 186 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:27.399 independent content creators, independent journalists, and independent sources for news 187 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.120 are popping up all over the place, and there are 188 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.000 a lot of reliable people out there who are only 189 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.799 interested in the truth. And frankly, folks, that's where I 190 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.360 find myself at this point in time, After this three 191 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.120 years that we have had on this journey digging into 192 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:47.480 Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and the whole entire cabal 193 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.519 that they had running over there, it's rather obvious to 194 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:55.720 me that there has been way too much disinformation, way 195 00:11:55.759 --> 00:12:00.360 too much covering for the elites, and certainly not enough 196 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:08.919 accountability for people like Epstein. That's changing, and I hope 197 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:13.679 that that pattern continues, and I hope that moving forward 198 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.679 we continue to hold people like Maxwell and Epstein accountable. Now, 199 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.559 this morning, we have an article from WBR excuse me, 200 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:30.639 WBUR dot org, and it is an article about Maxwell 201 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:34.919 being found guilty but asking the question did survivors get justice? 202 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:40.639 So let's dive into this article from authors Julie Dalstrom 203 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:47.600 and Rachel Wexler over at WBRE headline Glenn Maxwell was 204 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:51.279 found guilty, But did survivors get justice? I like, right 205 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:55.000 away calling them survivors, right, not victims. That's a good thing. 206 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.000 And you see that with the legacy media as well. 207 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.120 As this whole entire thing evolved. It went from calling 208 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:06.200 the girls victims to calling them survivors and certainly a 209 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:10.240 step in the right direction. Right. Remember words matter. Let's 210 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:14.519 call people what they are. Glenn Maxwell, she's a human trafficker. 211 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:19.360 Maria Farmer, Annie Farmer, Virginia Roberts, those are survivors. And 212 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.919 it's nice to see that the legacy media has picked 213 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.240 up on that at least. Now, let's see how long 214 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.080 it takes for them to all pick up on calling 215 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:32.080 Maxwell a human trafficker. Many of view the guilty verdict 216 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.320 in Glenn Maxwell's sex trafficking trial as the end of 217 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.559 the final chapter of this long, tragic saga. Survivors of 218 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:45.200 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein sexual abuse expressed great relief after 219 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:49.000 the news. My soul yearned for justice and that Jerry 220 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.960 gave me just that, said Virginia Roberts, a prominent survivor 221 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:57.399 of Epstein. Yet, despite the welcome result, Maxwell's trial is 222 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.960 likely not the end for the end of the law 223 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:04.679 fraught road for survivors, certainly not We've discussed that a 224 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.240 lot here, right, And while it's nice to close the 225 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.840 door on Maxwell, it's nice to see her get locked up. 226 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.080 We're not just gonna be content with that, right, We're 227 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.759 not just gonna sit back and say, all right, well, 228 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.679 it's all over and done with. Everybody's been held accountable. 229 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.960 Let's all go back to our regularly scheduled broadcasting. That's 230 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.080 not in the cards. That's never gonna happen. We've all 231 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.600 had a look behind the curtain. We all know that 232 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:34.120 Epstein and Maxwell weren't doing this themselves. And if it 233 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:37.000 takes us screaming from the mountaintops once again to get 234 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.559 justice here against the co conspirators, then so be it. 235 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.519 For decades, Epstein evaded detection by the criminal legal system 236 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.799 as he engaged in prolific sexual abuse of young women 237 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.840 and girls. Even when he eventually came to the attention 238 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.159 of law enforcement in two thousand and five, he marshaled 239 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:01.720 considerable wealth and influence to avoid criminal prosecut and negotiate 240 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.360 a lenient plea deal. He thought he was untouchable. One 241 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:10.039 survivor of Epstein observed it was not until twenty nineteen 242 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:14.639 when criminal sexual trafficking charges were brought against Epstein, but 243 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:19.799 in an instant these efforts were thwarted by his suicide, allegedly, 244 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.799 And when you really break it down, that is the truth, 245 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:28.879 real justice when it comes to Epstein. The survivors were 246 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.679 not able to have that with him killing himself or 247 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.799 committing suicide or being killed, whatever you believe. They were 248 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.840 not able to look him in the eye and get 249 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.000 the justice that they deserve. Now, at least they were 250 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:50.080 able to sue the estate and get that restitution and 251 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.159 get that acknowledgment for what happened to them. Because remember, 252 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.559 once Epstein paid that money out, once that of state 253 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.000 paid that money out, they took liability for the crimes 254 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.720 were committed. They took liability for the sexual abuse that 255 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.919 Jeffrey Epstein was committing. And that's a victory right now. 256 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.360 We can get into the numbers all day about where 257 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.840 they paid enough, weren't they paid enough, that whole argument, 258 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.200 but one thing is not debatable, and that's the fact 259 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.759 that the estate and Jeffrey Epstein finally had to take 260 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:29.360 responsibility when they paid that money out. With every setback, 261 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.039 survivors have tried to make the legal system work for them. 262 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.200 They offered victim impact statements in district court. When Epstein's 263 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.960 criminal charges were dismissed, they brought civil claims and applied 264 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.360 for compensation from Epstein's survivor Trust fund. Yet justice was 265 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.440 slow and in many cases elusive, and it has remained 266 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.279 such right. Justice has been slow, justice has been fleeting, 267 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.919 and we could use a nice, healthy dose of justice 268 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.960 when it comes to the other people in this case. 269 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.400 In light of these challenges, many have viewed Maxwell's chrial 270 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.920 as a way to provide much needed closure and empowerment 271 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.960 for survivors, But in many ways, it provided yet another 272 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.799 space to humiliate and re traumatize survivors, as often occurs 273 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.319 in sex crime prosecutions. While the Me Too movement drew 274 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.920 attention to the prevalence of sex crimes, survivors still faced 275 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:28.799 tremendous challenges when coming forward. So where was the me 276 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:32.319 too movement for these ladies? By the way, where were 277 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.880 the big protests out in front of that courthouse? Where 278 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:41.319 were the demands for accountability for the other co conspirators. 279 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.200 I would like to see the same energy put forward 280 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:50.119 during a political season put forward here when it comes 281 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.920 to these survivors getting justice, because let me tell you what. 282 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:59.240 If anybody's ever deserved justice, it's these ladies. They encounter 283 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.839 stigma and both during and after the trial process. They 284 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.839 also often experience privacy violations as information about their identity 285 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:13.519 is shared publicly. Some even face harassment, stigma, and threats 286 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.880 after they testify. One hundred percent, and that's why a 287 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.880 lot of these girls wanted to do it anonymously. There 288 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.200 are a lot of scummy people out there, folks, a 289 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.640 lot of people that have no regard for others, a 290 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:28.200 lot of people that will say and do hurtful things 291 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:33.400 and not even think about it. The Crime Victim's Rights Act, 292 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.880 passed by Congress in two thousand and four, provide survivors 293 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.039 with the right to be treated with respect for their 294 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:44.119 dignity and privacy during the criminal process. However, these legal 295 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:49.160 protections have often been insufficient and under enforced. Also, less 296 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.240 attention and resources have focused on the long term impact 297 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.839 of the trial process itself on the survivors. And that's 298 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.480 an interesting research topic to look into. I've never really 299 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.039 looked into that, I'm sure. Look, we talked about it 300 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.680 during the trial process. You know, you're dragging up a 301 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.079 lot of memories in a lot of circumstances that have 302 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:13.079 been repressed. So it has to be difficult for anyone, 303 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.039 not just these women, but anyone who is giving testimony 304 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.000 about them being abused. It has to be rough on 305 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:28.359 the person who is bringing the accusations forward. Maxwell's case 306 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.279 is a good example. Survivors faced grueling cross examination and 307 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:37.640 privacy violations throughout the trial. Maxwell's lawyers attacked victim's credibility 308 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.440 by invoking stereotypes about substance use and delays in reporting 309 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.480 that abuse. The defense also suggested that victims lie to 310 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:51.200 receive payouts from the Epstein Survivor's compensation program. That was 311 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.039 their whole strategy. And when you don't have the truth 312 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:55.799 on your side, what else are you going to do? 313 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.279 What else are you going to rely on as a 314 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.799 lawyer now? And they took this case, the lawyers is 315 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.519 not because they thought Maxwell was innocent or they were 316 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.160 doing some great deed for society. They saw dollar signs, 317 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:13.480 folks Chi Chang, the meter was running. Two survivors also 318 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.440 had their privacy violated in ways that will likely have 319 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.839 long lasting consequences. Defense counsel used their real names in 320 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:24.599 open court after they had been promised anonymity heard by 321 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:28.839 those in the courtroom and three overflow rooms. Although major 322 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.000 news outlets refrained from publishing them, their names are likely 323 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.440 to be shared online, leaving them vulnerable to cyber bullying, 324 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.160 threats and harassment. And you would think that people would 325 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.240 know better. You would think that people would have more 326 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.279 sense than to get out there and bully and threaten 327 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:47.960 people like this. They do not, folks. Okay, there are 328 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.200 some real derelics out there act in the fool who 329 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:57.000 like get off on being scumbags. And the whole Internet 330 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.359 thing has made people way too comfortable day stuff behind 331 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:05.640 the computer screen that would for sure get them a 332 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:09.200 black eye in real life. Way too many people run 333 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.680 their yap on the computer, saved evil and vile things 334 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.039 because they know there's no repercussions. And it's one of 335 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:18.200 the main reasons I don't get involved in any kind 336 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:23.160 of nonsensical arguments on Twitter. What's the point some clowns 337 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.599 sitting around eating cheetos in his Batman under rus and 338 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.799 Mommy's basement, pounding away on the keyboard. I got better 339 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:32.400 things to do, folks, and I'm sure all of you 340 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:39.000 do as well. Privacy violations like these are unfortunately common 341 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.160 in sex crime cases, and they can have severe long 342 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.720 term consequences. In another high profile case, for example, a 343 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.759 rape victim's name was leaked during the criminal proceeding and 344 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:54.119 she faced harassment and threats, resulting in significant trauma. While 345 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:57.240 some aspects of the trial process, like the constitutional right 346 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:01.200 to confront one's accuser through cross examination, are integral to 347 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.440 our criminal system, they often come with heavy costs for 348 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.440 victims in the courtroom and beyond. Well. While I agree 349 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.319 with that it is a necessary part, cross examination has 350 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.240 to happen, right, We have to get to the bottom 351 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:16.480 of things. That's why we have a trial, to get 352 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.680 to the truth. And while it might be rough on victims, 353 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:24.440 you know what, strike that It definitely is rough on victims, male, woman, whatever. 354 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:27.200 It's definitely hard to get in that box and testify, 355 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.519 but it's crucial if you want to get a prosecution if. 356 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:36.200 While much research explores survivor experiences with early stages of 357 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:40.079 the criminal process, there is significantly less on the consequences 358 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:44.720 of participating in trials, particularly in the longer term. This 359 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.319 gap exists in part because the vast majority of cases 360 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.319 in this country do not go to trial, making it 361 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.440 difficult to research, and that is a fact. A lot 362 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.160 of cases in America get pleated out. You know, people 363 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.720 don't have money in this country, folks, and there's a 364 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.319 res and so many Americans are in prison. We'll take 365 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:08.880 plea deals because nobody can battle a court case for 366 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.240 a year unless you have maxwell kind of money. So 367 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.079 regular common folks will plead down, get you know, maybe 368 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.720 some kind of misdemeanor instead of a felony or whatever 369 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.880 it is, and keep it moving. And that's all part 370 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.920 of the scam, isn't it. It's all part of the 371 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:28.039 plot by the robber barons to keep us all on 372 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:35.000 this modern day slavery plantation. Basically that they have us 373 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:39.359 on but slaves to debt, slaves to their technology, slaves 374 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:44.240 to you get the drift right. However, we can learn 375 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.160 from research conducted in other jurisdictions. A study in New Zealand, 376 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.680 for example, highlighted how the verdict and sentencing impacted victims 377 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.440 of sexual violence, regardless of the trial's outcome. One survivor explained, 378 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.480 after the trial, it's like grief, you know, it's such 379 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.880 a massive build up to this one event and then 380 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.720 it just drops off. Another shared you go through this process, 381 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.839 your adrenalinees going. Then suddenly everything's finished and life goes 382 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.960 back to normal. But there's no normal anymore, and I'm 383 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.240 struggling with it. You would have to think that it's difficult, 384 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.519 for sure. You get up there and you air yourself 385 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.279 out like that, You make yourself vulnerable all over again 386 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.319 after already being abused by people. That takes a lot 387 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.359 of courage. And not just the girls in this case, 388 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.279 but anyone who comes forward, male, female. Anyone who comes 389 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.359 forward and has the courage to get up there and 390 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.599 tell their story after being horrifically abused, has nothing but 391 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:48.240 my utmost respect. In the aftermath of Maxwell's trial, survivors 392 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.480 have good reason to celebrate, but their journey is likely 393 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.799 far from over. As Maxwell's appeals and some continue to 394 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.880 seek justice through the civil system, they will probably experience 395 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.039 reverberations from the trial in their lives for some time. 396 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.359 The fight the hole enablers accountable may take years to 397 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:09.359 be realized, if at all. As Virginia Roberts explains, it's 398 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:12.279 definitely not over. There are so many more people involved 399 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.720 with this. It doesn't stop with Maxwell and folks. That's 400 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:20.079 the rallying cry right there, right. I know it's a lot. 401 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.200