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Our guest today is Jay Christian Adams, President and legal

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counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation. Much to talk

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about in the world of election integrity. Thank you so

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much for being here today with us on this of

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the Federalist Radio Hour. Thanks for having me. You bet

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from Alaska to Maine, state voter rules are riddled with errors.

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Battleground Pennsylvania appears to have thousands of shady voter registrations

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on its roles, according to a review by election integrity

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watchdog the Public Interest Legal Foundation. And we know that

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Pennsylvania is not alone. Take us through some pretty extensive

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reviews that the folks have done on the voter roles

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in several states.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, we've been looking at voter rolls particularly in

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states having elections this year, like Pennsylvania, and looking for errors,

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and boy are they easy to find, or at least

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it seems so, all sorts of problems. People registered in

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multiple states, people registered multiple times within Pennsylvania, Maine has

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got problems, are very similar, but all over the tri

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state area, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, you have duplication

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of registrations, people who are getting registered in both of

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these states and multiple states, people who are getting registered

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in multiple times within states. It's a real problem, particularly

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when you move to mail voting and you don't have

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to show up and vote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very concerning because the clock is sticking here.

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I mean, we're going to be at the midterms before

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you know it. I mean, really, let's face it, the

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campaigning for the twenty twenty six midterms has already started.

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How much is this going to play a part and

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be a problem in the upcoming critical midterm elections.

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Speaker 2: Well, I worry most about Pennsylvania because you have Supreme

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Court judicial retention elections, which ironically, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court

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is regularly getting involved in election law disputes. Right, So

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here's a wild situation where these members of the court

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might survive an election in an election that has problems

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that they maybe had something to do with because they've

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been making bad decisions about election law. It's a circle. Yeah,

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so it's sort of ironic circle. In Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pennsylvania, you found what nearly twenty thousand duplicate registrations.

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All kinds of problems there. But what's the number breakdown

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in this important battleground state.

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Speaker 2: Well so, remember in Pennsylvania, we've got a variety of issues,

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not the least of which, by the way, is non

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citizens got on the rolls for twenty years because of

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a pen dot glitch, pend dot glitch. They were actually

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registering non citizens, you know, without they would be told no,

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I'm not as in Pennsylvania's response was welcome to the

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voter rolls, right, it was. It was exactly the opposite

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of what it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: But of course, but no, no, wait, well wait a minute, Christian,

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we have been told by the left in this country,

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by the Democratic Party, and by you know, integrity watchdogs,

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at least they think they're dealing with election integrity. We've

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been told for years that non citizens don't show up

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on the voter rolls. It's very rare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they should read all of our reports of

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the Public Interest Legal Foundation, where we actually name them.

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We have Pennsylvania particularly bad where people were getting registered.

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You know at pen Doot it was it was like

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welcome to America, come and get a ballot. Look the

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other problems. Nineteen thousand, four hundred and eighty nine. Nineteen thousand,

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four hundred and eighty nine inner duplicates between Pennsylvania and

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other states like Florida and New York are the are

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the leaders. Florida had nine thousand duplicates with Pennsylvania. We

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had three thousand, one hundred same address duplicates in Pennsylvania.

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This is a big deal. In other words, you know

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John Smith at one two three Main Street is getting

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registered twice because like in one registration it's spelled Main

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Maine and in another one it's spelled Mai n E Maine,

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like the state, and that results in a duplicate registration.

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There are three thousand, one hundred and seventy of those

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Speaker 1: Now those are often said to be well, there's just mistakes,

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you know, clerical administrative mistakes. But how can they be

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used to impact elections used nefariously, I should.

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Speaker 2: Say, yeah, I wish they I wish they were deliberate.

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It would be to fix if this is a plot.

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Mistakes are harder to fix because first of all, you

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don't even notice them. You can't arrest anybody. It's not

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a crime. You don't have discovery power. If there was

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like a backroom conspiracy to do all this, I'd be happier.

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But the mistakes are more lethal because they become part

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of the system where you know, no one ever sees it.

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I mean, I was in Pittsburgh investigating a matter up

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there and we found one person registered to vote seven times, wow,

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seven times, where Sean Slade was his name. It was

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all because of mistakes. It wasn't a plot, and therefore

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it just stayed under the radar because you know, it

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wasn't a repeat of the same kind of mistake. You

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didn't get warning signs about it because it was just organic.

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Speaker 1: Oh tell me this, then, can Shawn Slade vote multiple times,

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maybe seven times, and affect the outcome of election of

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an election and ever really be found out of.

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Speaker 2: Course, especially in a state that has easy male voting.

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No thanks to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that when you

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have easy male voting and you have bad voter roles,

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it's a toxic combination. The worst of all is Nevada.

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You should watch the public Intersleingcole Foundation video. Yes, where

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we go to all the strip clubs and casinos. Well,

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not so many strip clubs, more casinos, only one strip

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club and I was at that one, but I didn't

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go inside. And these people are getting male ballots and

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then don't live there. So when you combine dirty voter

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roles with auto mail voting, it's the worst combination.

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Speaker 1: I remember my dad talking about years ago saying that,

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yes he did get a subscription to Playboy, but he

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got it for the articles. Just for the record, I

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can put that in there, but I have you know,

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I have covered it. My colleagues, Sean Fleetwood and others,

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our election integrity team, we have covered the stuff that

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you folks at the Foundation have and uncovered in Nevada.

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I mean, what a mess those voter rolls are. And again,

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when you think about universal mail ballots, you know what

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could possibly go wrong?

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Speaker 2: Right, It's one of the worst ideas, and it's all

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born out of COVID. You know, you know, COVID's over with.

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It's done. If you're walking around wearing a mask, it's

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not doing any good. And if you get COVID, you're

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barely going to notice it. So this whole idea that

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we had to move our elections to mail was something

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that we need to throw in the garbage. It's a

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terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're still doubling down on all of that, and

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you know, we take a look at the numbers behind this.

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You have some new information out of New York forty

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nine thousand, nine hundred and thirty three nearly fifty thousand

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The largest overlaps, according to the Public Interest Legal Foundation,

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are with Florida almost twenty five thousand duplicate ballots between

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the two states. North Carolina has another sixty two hundred.

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New Jersey five thousand, seven hundred plus, and New Jersey

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as a problem in itself. But my goodness, look at

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just how dirty these voter rolls are. And what can

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you do to compel the elections officials in states that

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simply don't seem to care about dirty voter roles.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a tough one because we've been litigating this

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for a long time in federal courts, and the federal

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courts have begun to limit the effectiveness of the National

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Voter Registration Acts voter cleanup provision, in other words, the

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part of the law that requires voter roles to be clean.

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So it's discouraging. You know, you have a stay like

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Maine with an ideologically hostile secretary stage Sheena Bellows, an

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extremist leftist who you know hates hates politicians that are

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Republican like Donald Trump, is consumed with Trump arrangement syndrome.

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Tried to keep him off the ballot unsuccessfully, I might add,

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and lose his court cases all the time about voter integrity,

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about election law. When you have secretaries to stay like

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Sheena Bellows, I can promise you keeping the roles clean

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is not a top priority. They were more interested in

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targeting conservatives for fines like they did the Public Interslegal Foundation,

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than they are getting a dead person off the roles.

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They probably have eb White still in the roles. He

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he used to live in Maine, you know, the author

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of Charlotte's Web. Sure you got to look to see

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if he's still voting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I want to talk about Maine. Actually,

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Is it any surprise to you that the secretaries of

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state in those two states fought so hard to keep

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Donald Trump off the Republican ballot. But in Maine, you

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folks were threatened. Didn't they write a law to stop

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you from talking about this stuff like we're talking about

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here right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great story and it shows you

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the authoritarian tendencies of Sena Bellows and the progressive left.

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They like to talk about authoritarianism. Let me share a

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story about authoritarianism. So we asked for the voter roles

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in Maine, and under the National Voter Registration Act, courts

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of Hell, these are public records. So the federal court,

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the district court in Maine agreed with us and said, yes,

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these are public records. As soon as that happened, the

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Democrat Party of Maine and certain progressive lat legislators quickly

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passed a law that said, Okay, you get these roles,

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but if you talk about what you find your subject

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of punishment. If you talk about it, then you could

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be fined for speaking about it to other people. Besides

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Sheena Bellow's honest and goodness, that's what the law that

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was passed said. We found out that it was enacted

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after a bunch of emails flew around about our lawsuit

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that okay, if they get the roles, let's keep them

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from talking about it. These are actual emails we obtained, wow,

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the Maine Democratic Party from certain legislators. So there's authoritarianism

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for you. So let's fast forward. We appealed, or I'm sorry,

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Maine appealed. It wasn't even PILF that appealed. Remember we

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wanted at the district court level, the federal district court.

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Maine wasn't happy with their loss. So Sheena Bello's, the

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authoritarian Secretary of State in Maine, appealed to the First

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Circuit Court of Appeals and said, hey, we get to

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punish people for speaking about our voter roles, and nobody

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should be getting our voter roles. That was their legal position.

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was trying to keep Trump off the ballot while she

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herself was engaging in some of the most mischievous authoritarianism imaginable.

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So the First Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Pilf

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and Shena Bello's lost, and the Court of Appeals said,

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you can't punish people for speaking about the voter rolls.

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That's exactly what Congres intended was to have people like

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Public Interseinggal Foundation cleaning up the roles and talking about

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what they find in public records. Sorry, authoritarian Sheena Bello's

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that's not how America played. We have a right to

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speak about government mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Remind me again who the real threats are to democracy?

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Didn't we hear a lot about that in twenty twenty four.

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Don't we continue to hear about that from the Democratic Party?

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Aren't we hearing about that still? That Donald Trump and

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Republicans are the threat to democracy while we find out

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through newly to classified documents who the real threat to

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democracy was and remains in this country? Well, that is

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it's curious to me. So does Pilf have any intention

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and he plans to file a lawsuit at the federal

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level because what the State of Maine has done it

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has to be considered a civil rights violation on many accounts.

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Speaker 2: Well, the courts took up to the law in our case.

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I mean we actually did. We found a part of

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our lawsuit in Maine was to strike down this infringement

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on our civil rights, and the court, you know, both

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the federal court, the district court, and the appellate Federal

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court in Boston struck it down. So we won. So

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we already fought that fight against Sheena Bellows and defeated

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her authoritarian tendencies to chill speech to talk about her mistakes.

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Speaker 1: I can understand that. I guess what I'm asking is,

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do you plan to file a lawsuit and a separate

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lawsuit against the state of Maine for what Sheena Bellows

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did to suppress your speech and to go against the

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law when it comes to voter roles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting question. Whether a corporation can exert

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a federal civil right. Remember, because it was PILF, it

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was PILF in corporation on the charity. I might add,

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if you ever want to donate, this is you know,

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we rely on donations to keep this going. So it

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was a nonprofit corporation, and whether a nonprofit corporation can

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sort of civil rights claim in that context is one

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Speaker 1: Well. I understand that I think maybe in this case,

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it's a matter of a citizen of Maine, a voter

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in Maine, who certainly could be said to be aggrieved

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by what the secretary of state in Maine was doing.

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Now I to turn my attention to Colorado. You've worked

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extensively in that state. There, you have another doozy of

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a secretary of state there. What are you finding in Colorado?

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Because those voter rolls long have been a mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We actually had a report I think last year

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maybe two years ago about Jennat Griswold, the progressive leftist

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authoritarian secretary state in Colorado inviting through direct mail. She

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was actually sending out mailings to foreigners urging them to

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get registered to vote. I mean, these are like documents.

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document and she was encouraging foreigners to get on the

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voter rolls. And so, you know, you just shake your

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head and you think, how badly do progressive screw things up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And again here's another secretary

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of state. Colorado was the centerpiece of the case before

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the US Supreme Court, where you have nine Supreme Court

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justices including the most left of the less Supreme Court

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justices scolding Colorado, scolding Maine ultimately for their attempts to

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disenfranchise millions of voters, and that at the end of

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the day, isn't that what this is all about, with

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these dirty voter roles, Because you know, you and I

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were talking recently about this on a radio station in Iowa,

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and we talked about, you know, ineligible voters being on

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the voter rolls, and Iowa does a pretty good job

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at that, but still a review before last year's election

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found something in the neighborhood of three hundred non citizens

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on the ballots, on the registrations, and we saw thirty

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five non citizens voting in the twenty twenty four election

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in Iowa alone. Of course, the associated press and the

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usual suspects in the corporate media, this is very rare,

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thirty five, and they like one million plus people voted

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in Iowa, and you know all this sort of thing.

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It's so rare. Every vote that is ineligible takes away

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from every eligible voter. I mean, that's the bottom line,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's worse than that, because we have a

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database at the Public Intersligo Foundation of tied elections, and

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it's over seven hundred tied elections where that single vote

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of the ineligible alien would have made the difference in

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the case. So you know, elections are close. They end

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up in ties all the time. So I think thirty

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four foreigners voting in Iowa is astonishingly bad. I think

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the reporters at the New York Times and the other

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predictable outlets who try to downplay it, I know where

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they're coming from. I know what their job is. Their

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job is to defend the status quo. They're all in

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for having voter roles being dirty. They are ideologically aligned

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with the left. They're supposed to minimize a bunch of

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foreigners voting in American elections because that's their job that

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the New York Times. I don't expect anything less from

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them because they are ideological warriors. That's why they signed

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up to be a reporter at those institutions.

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Speaker 1: You are right, I mean, take a look at how

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many elections. A lot of local elections, but it's also

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been at the congressional national level in Iowa. Representative Marionette

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Miller Meeks in twenty twenty, they get in twenty twenty four.

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A handful of votes decided that election, and if you

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think about those, you know the possibilities of non citizens

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and other ineligible voters on that list very much could

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have impacted that raise.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb, and this

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is where places like the soon to be defunct Media

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Matters and the probably already defunked Right Wing Watch. Although

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I haven't looked for years, you know, like to record interviews.

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I'm going to go out on a limb. I will

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bet that if we knew everything in Florida from the

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two thousand election from the Bushey Gore, there were more

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foreigners who voted in that election than the margin of

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victory in that famous two thousand presidential election. I think

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it was like two hundred and forty eight or something

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like that, or thereabout to give or take a hundred.

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I can look it up everyone with maybe five forty seven.

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I will go out on a limb and say more

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foreigners voted in that election than the margin of victory.

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Now do I have evidence of that? Oh no, no, no,

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I don't I get it. But based on my experience

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researching this elsewhere over the last fifteen years, I'm going

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to wager that that's the case.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about election integrity on this edition of

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the Federalist Radio Hour. Our guest today is Jay Christian Adams,

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President and legal counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

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You testified before Congress on this very matter recently, and

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you talked about the Motor Voter Act, the National Voter

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Registration Act of nineteen ninety three, and that was a

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big compromise piece of legislation. Republicans compromised by giving Bill

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Clinton and the Democrats what they wanted registration at the

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mvs across the country. But in order to do that,

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the compromise was we would have clean voter rules. Thirty

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plus years later, we don't have clean voter rules obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of that is because courts. Namely,

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i'll name the courts the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals,

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which is the federal Appeals court over Florida, Georgia, and Alabama,

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and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is the

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Federal Appeals Court roughly over Michigan, Ohio. I believe Tennessee

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and maybe Kentucky. I'm a little off there, but I

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think I got it right. They both ruled that the

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motor voter law you cite really only requires states to try.

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They don't require states to succeed in getting dead people

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off the rolls. The proof is not in the pudding.

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The states only have to make an effort. They get

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a gold star for effort, they get a participation trophy.

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They don't have to actually produce results. And that is

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not what Congress intended in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: What is the language in particular, yea there is in

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federal courts should certainly understand the intention and the documents

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and the testimony surrounding it that said, what is the

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specific language and how have these courts used the language

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to come to these kinds of interpretations.

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Speaker 2: Well, the specific language, and this is a pop quiz

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I think I'm going to get it right, is that

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states must have a program that makes a quote well

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quote makes a reasonable effort to remove the dead and

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the list of ineligible people from the voter roles reasonable

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effort to remove. That's the key language and motor voter

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and these courts, I think wildly incorrectly set a reasonable

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effort to remove. Only looked at the word effort and

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not reasonable or remove in the text of the statute.

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It's not just like do your you know, make an effort.

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It's not even say do your best. It's like, just

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do something and you win. That's kind of the position

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of the State of Michigan that hey, we did something,

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go away, public interor single foundation. You can't sue us

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because we did something. And our legal position was you

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need to actually be effective, and that's something you do.

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And there's the difference between the two legal positions.

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Speaker 1: So the position is, well, we gave it the old

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college try, so we all good, right now?

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Speaker 2: Hey, take what you said and remove old college try

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old college. We gave it a try. It doesn't even

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have to be like an old college try.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well's that's what I'm gonna ask. I mean,

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the numbers tell you the story is New York with

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fifty thousand registrants registered in at least one other state,

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you know is Pennsylvania nineteen thousand plus nearly twenty thousand.

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Are they giving this a you know, reasonable effort to remove?

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Speaker 2: Like there's actually a verb there that is a requirement.

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It's not you know, to ponder or to think about removing.

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It actually says to remove.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. Are you finding any evidence that

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they're trying. I think about, you know, covered particularly the

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battleground states Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan. I think about

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how many years it takes and court battles, quite frankly

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in a lot of these states to get them to

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do what they're supposed to do and remove anybody that

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clearly is ineligible on that list.

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Speaker 2: Here's probably the most important thing I could tell your listeners.

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It is too easy in this space to think that

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there's some kind of plot or conspiracy. It's too easy

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to think that the system is like really and I

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wish it were. I wish it was rigged. I wish

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there was a group of five people in a smoky

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room responsible, because we could go in and bust up

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the place. But it's more dangerous than that because these

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people at state officials, you know, at state election offices,

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actually don't really think they're doing anything wrong. They're not

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part of a conspiracy. In their mind. They've got systems

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in place and well established procedures, and like all the

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bureau speak to defend their ineffectiveness, they have what, like

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Hannah Ardent, who wrote a lot about detlitarianism, called the

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banality of evil. I mean, I'm not saying they're evil.

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What I'm saying is evil people in history don't think

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they're evil. Right. The guy at the Gestapo just thinks

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he's doing his job. And again I'm not comparing state

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election OFFICIALSPO. I'm trying to be here. I'm talking about

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a philosophical concept that burocrats are more dangerous because they

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don't think they're doing anything wrong. I wish they thought

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they were doing something wrong, and we're shamed and trying

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to hide their guilt. They don't they really think that

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their failure to clean the voter roles in our version

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of failure to clean the voter roles, they think they're

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trying hard, and that is a more dangerous situation than

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a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, I mean, it's like the corporate media.

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You have to have shame to be shameless, I suppose,

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or to feel shame. But so many who are pitching

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these ideas they don't want to hear any opposition to this.

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You've come across that on many, many occasions. And if

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you want a real, true style rigging of elections, you

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just need to head over to the Democratic Party nominating process.

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You'll find you'll find real rigging, as we found out

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through wiki leaks and other sources over the years, super delegates,

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super delegates and all kinds of DNC emails showing that

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Bernie Sanders has a case. If Bernie Sanders wants to

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talk about rigged elections, he certainly can through his own party.

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But let's look at the battleground states, you know, in particular,

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because let's face it, they have been deciding over the

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last several years a handful of states and siding over

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the last several years in this country, who is President

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of the United States, who controls Congress. So we look

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at Wisconsin, we look at Pennsylvania, We look at Michigan,

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and Nevada and Arizona. Some of these states are not

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becoming that much battleground anywhere. They're turning really quite red.

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But you have the principal battleground states, the old Blue Wall.

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What's going on. You talked about Pennsylvania, but what about

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Wisconsin and Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Well, Michigan's a wreck. I got to tell you. There

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is a report that we published called Serve and Observe.

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It's got a car on the cover if you want

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to read it. And first of all, one of the

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things happening in Michigan on election Day that we observed

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and documented, there's even photographs, were leftist groups inside the polls.

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Like I was in the polls too, so it was

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our team. But these leftist groups are inside the polls

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essentially pretending to be election officials. They were acting as

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election officials, directing traffic, giving instructions to voters, and engaging

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in quasi governmental functions. And they all do it under

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the name of election protection. But they're infiltrating the polls.

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It is a phenomena that is growing and is not

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being addressed. It is not being countered, not even being

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documented hardly. And I got to tell you it's a

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big deal, and it's not something that I think the

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conservative movement has a good handle on.

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Speaker 1: That's troubling, to say the least. So how much of

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that is going to impact Do you think the twenty

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twenty six elections play into this? Because what we saw

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obviously in twenty twenty all kinds of shenanigans, not the

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least of which the nonprofits who were involved that received

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bucketfuls of money from the likes of Mark Zuckerberg. And

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we saw operatives Democratic Party operatives entrenched in local election

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offices in battleground states. We're going to see that kind

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of thing again, not maybe with Zuckbucks, but with operatives

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doing exactly what you've been reporting on.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, I mean, that's a given that that

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election offices are being high jacked by progressive ideological warriors.

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That's a given. What I'm noticing I saw this when

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I was a DOJ too, is in the voting section

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when I worked at the Justice Department. What I'm seeing

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as a cultural blind spot where the left has figured

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out how to take advantage of cultural tailwinds to influence

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and alter the experience of voting. For example, in Detroit,

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one of the things we write about in our Serve

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and Observe report is the left wing funding of DJs. Now,

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when I mean DJs, I'm talking like, you know, twelve

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hundred watt amplifiers, speakers, turntable signs. There is nothing illegal

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about this. Okay, let's be clear. But what they do

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is they set up all over Detroit like beacons, audio

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beacons to the neighborhood that something's happening, there's something to

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go check out. And what it does is it draws

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voters in and these beacons of sound and you know,

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you guys can guess what music is being blasted is

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drawing in people out of the neighborhoods to get into

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the polls. It's called DJs to the polls or some

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movement like that. I guarantee it's left wing philanthropy. It

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is behind it. It's too expensive to be organic. It's repetitive,

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meaning it's being replicated, voting site after voting, site after voting,

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site after voting site with the exact same branding. So

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it's clearly a well designed cultural effort. In other words,

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it's relying on culture, not on the ideas or arguments

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or whatever to increase the vote. And I think it's genius.

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And trust me, it's not illegal. You're allowed to do this.

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But I think we have a cultural blind spot in

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understanding ways that the left alters the election process.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, there's nothing illegal about it. And more power

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to organizations that are clearly working for the Democratic Party

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to bring voters out in legal ways. But are they

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bringing out ineligible voters? That's where it becomes the problem.

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You can have all the DJs doing what they want

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and there's again nothing illegal about that, But when the

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operative is when the nonprofit leftist organizations are saying, well,

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we don't care. More so if the elections office is,

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they're saying no, yeah, come on in and vote, it

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doesn't matter what we have in the registrations on you.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't forget some of these states that are using

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these tools that I just described are same day registration states, right, Yeah,

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like I think Michigan is. And so if you're blasting

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you know, I don't even want to start to try

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to name the bans. You know, if it was forty

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years ago to be run DMC. Yeah, which, by the way,

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I like to play as a DJ myself. That's a

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whole nother story.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we know it's not thirty for now. We know

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it's not thirty eight special.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's not Leonard Skinnard.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. Yeah, fog, there's no fog hat

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being played in the Detroit circles. Yes.

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Speaker 2: So if you're in the same day registration space or

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state and you're drawing thirty forty fifty people, you know,

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some of whom are probably had a wonderful morning getting high,

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and you know, apparently in Michigan there's nothing wrong with that,

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and you're drawing them out to go see what's going

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on in the neighborhood. And you've got a same day

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registration state. Ooh, genius. You bring him in with sound

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and you get him inside the polls.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin has done it several times, or at least leftist

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scripts in Wisconsin to DJ stuff all of that prizes

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and giveaways, and some of those folks have been caught electioneering.

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They have been caught breaking the law because obviously you

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can't give anything over a nominal level in election law

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to get people in to vote. But you know, we've

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seen thousand dollars prizes and gift cards and all of

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this sort of nonsense. So those are the sort of

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tactics you have to be prepared for.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: When you testified before Congress, you were talking about the

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Motor Voter Act of nineteen ninety three and the language.

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We've talked about that and how federal courts are interpreting it.

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Is it time for Congress? Can Is there the will

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in Congress to make it absolutely clear? It should already

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be absolutely clear, but there is there is this an

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opportunity for Congress to make sure that the voter roll

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cleanup language is cleaned up.

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Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, I am quite confident that the right

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members of Congress, and the right committees and the right

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positions of authority are looking at this and reversing the

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six Circuit Court of Appeals and reversing the Eleventh Circuit

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Court of Appeals and putting into some standards though to

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require Michigan Secretary of State Joscelyn Benson to actually clean

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up her voter roles, I think that is they laughed

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at her by the way. Joscelyn Benson testified to them

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a couple months ago and said, there's no problem that

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the Pills lost that case. Well, they lost the case

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on standing and lost it on a technical issue, but

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didn't lose it on the facts. You still have a

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whole bunch of tens of thousands of dead people on

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your voter rolls. Nothing about our factual allegations were wrong.

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Maybe you're not ashamed of that, Secretary Benson, but you

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should be so. I think Congress may well be fixing this.

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Speaker 1: Is it any one to you that we have so

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many Democrats in Congress, virtually all of them that have

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repeatedly voted against the Save Act making sure that and

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holding accountable those who allow non citizens to be on

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the voter rolls.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I've been dealing with this crowd for a

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long time on alien voting. If they'd like to denounce

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you and smear you if you say that there's any

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aliens on the roles, because that's who they are. They

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like to denounce and smear. That's rhetorical tactic number one

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before they actually get into the merits of something. It's

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always to announced and smear the messenger. So No, nothing

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surprises me when it relates annances in't voting from the

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left because they spend so much time denying it exists,

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right Like, you know, why trust your lion eyes? Why

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trust the records we published at Stealing the Vote? A

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report you can get at pill if if you google

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Stealing the Vote Public Intersligo Foundation. You know why trust

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the letters from aliens saying please take me off the

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role I'm an alien in Pennsylvania, which we publish over

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and over in that report. You know, why should you

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believe that when you got the DNC telling you this

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is a fake issue.

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Speaker 1: Final question for you? Are it sounds like it? And

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based on the numbers? I think I know the answer

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to this. It should be how concerned are you about

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the integrity election? Integrity flaws in the system that we've

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talked about heading into twenty twenty six and twenty eight.

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What needs to be accomplished before long before those elections.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a lot less concerned about the next two

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federal elections than I was about twenty twenty and twenty

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twenty two. Things have gotten better on a lot of fronts.

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What needs to change? The dirty voter roles in mail

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ballot combined is a disaster. We will not be lucky

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all the time like we were in twenty twenty four

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about places like Nevada. I mean, talk to Adam Laxhall.

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Adam Laxhall almost certainly lost a US Senate seed because

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of the garbage going on in Nevada in twenty I

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think twenty twenty two. You know, he lost a governor's

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race for sure because of the garbage going on with

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in Nevada, or at least certainly the Senate seat because

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they had mail voting by then. So I'm very worried

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that states like Nevada with intensely dirty voter rolls. I'm talking,

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like I said, like my college apartment level of filth.

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You know, there hasn't seen a bit of soap in

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this place for you know months. I'm worried about places

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like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am too, And believe me, I've been down

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that road before. Ask the student attendance at the University

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of Wisconsin, Milwaukee about my dorm room. I think they

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still have then put up a museum to that museum

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of atrocities.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have to tell you, like the old

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match game, Jean Rayburn, you say my apartment in wester

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Virginia University was so filthy, and everybody goes, how filthy

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was it? Yeah, I assure it was so filthy that

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when someone flushed the toilet upstairs, it didn't just go

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down a pipe, It flowed into the neighbor's kitchen downstairs.

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Oh boy, that's how horrible it was. That's Nevada's voter rolls.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I think that sums it all up for us,

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in very vivid detail. And that's why many, among the

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many reasons I always enjoy conversing with you, particularly on

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these most important topics relating to representative democracy. Voter integrity.

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Election integrity is foundational for everything we're talking about in

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this republic. Thanks to my guest today, Jay Christian Adams,

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President and legal counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation,

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you've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour.

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I'm Matt Kittle, Senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll

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be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of

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freedom and anxious for the fray