WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.000 You are listening to the IFH podcast Network. For more 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.679 amazing filmmaking and screenwriting podcasts, just go to ifahpodcastnetwork dot com. 3 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.480 Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number four fifty four. 4 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.559 Your dream doesn't have an expiration date, Take a deep 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:20.960 breath and try again. 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:25.640 Kat You Whitten broadcasting from a dark, windowless. 7 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.559 Room in Hollywood when we really should be working on 8 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.960 that next draft. It's the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, showing you 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.719 the craft and business of screenwriting while teaching you how 10 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:36.600 to make your screenplay bulletproof. 11 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.119 And here's your host, Alex Ferrari. 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.039 Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast. 13 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:45.960 I am your humble host Alex Ferrari. 14 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.719 Now, today's show is sponsored by Bulletproof Script Coverage. 15 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:51.119 Now. 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:56.119 Unlike other script coverage services, Bulletproof Script Coverage actually focuses 17 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.159 on the kind of project you are in the goals 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.799 of the project are, so we actually break it down 19 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:06.000 by three categories micro budget, indie film, market and studio film. 20 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.319 There's no reason to get coverage from a reader that's 21 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.959 used to reading tempole movies when your movie is gonna 22 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.640 be done for one hundred thousand dollars and we wanted 23 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.799 to focus on that At Bulletproof Script Coverage, our readers 24 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:21.760 have worked with Marvel Studios, CIA, w MEE, NBC, HBO, Disney, 25 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.599 Scott Free, Warner Brothers, The Blacklist, and many many more. 26 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.120 So if you need your screenplay or TV script covered 27 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:34.560 by professional readers, head on over to covermiscreenplay dot Com. 28 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.040 Enjoy today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis. 29 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.079 My next guest is a graduate of full Sell University's 30 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.200 Film and Entertainment Business programs. He's the founder of Crash Films, Inc. 31 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.719 He's an independent film producer. He's a screenwriter. This guy 32 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.680 has done so many crazy awesome things, and we're going 33 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.159 to get into all that. We're going to talk a 34 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.760 lot about screenwriting and development, and also we talk a 35 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.159 little bit about networking too, because he didn't just go 36 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.200 out to La had a plan without knowing anybody. He 37 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.719 actually had a plan in place, and he's doing such 38 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.439 some really awesome things. And why don't we just go 39 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:13.360 right into it with guests Michael ky Snyder, Mike, you 40 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.039 were the You were the guest on the first ever episode. 41 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.360 The episode is now considered a part of the lost episodes, 42 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:21.800 the first three are considered the lost episodes. 43 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:22.919 You were number one. 44 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:26.240 You were my first guest, and uh, it's so good 45 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:29.639 three years later to have you actually back one. So 46 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.039 Mike again, I want to say thank you very much 47 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.280 for joining us. And it's kind of funny how we've 48 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:35.960 come full circle now, all the way back from three 49 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.439 years ago. 50 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.800 Now. I'm so happy to be back on the show, 51 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.039 you know, it is it is. It's kind of funny 52 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.560 that we that we have come full circle. You're totally right, 53 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.759 and just thinking about some of the progressions that we've 54 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.400 both made in our careers and how things have changed, 55 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.120 it's just really interesting. Yeah. 56 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.520 And it's funny too because when I when we lasted 57 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.759 the interview again, it was it was remotely like we're 58 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.159 doing right now, but I was in a actual studio 59 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.919 doing it and I had nothing but problems there. And 60 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.400 now I'm doing it from my office and I and 61 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.840 you know, it's just ten thousand times better because I 62 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.879 remember when we had the episode and I listened to 63 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.680 it and I was like, what the hell happen here? 64 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.120 And it was that freaking recorder was not would never 65 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.960 work right. So I for the first two episodes, did 66 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.680 I use that recorder and this really awesome radio station 67 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:22.680 was sound proof? And then all of a sudden, now 68 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.599 it's like you know, I, I mean it just even technology, 69 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.240 how it's improved in three freaking years is unbelievable. 70 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.479 Crazy, Yeah, it is unbelievable. 71 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.280 So, you know, Mike, since that episode's a little lost, 72 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:36.400 actually it is lost. Sorry, this is the episode is lost. 73 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.639 You know, I want to dig a little into your 74 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.039 background for those of you, for those listeners who aren't 75 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.439 really aware of, you know, all the things that you've done. 76 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.639 So you know, you were actually a graduate of full 77 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.080 Sale University. You graduated in what twenty ten? 78 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:58.560 Oh, man, I graduated Full Tails Film program in two thousand, 79 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:05.560 thousand eleven, and then I graduated their master's program a 80 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:07.639 couple of years after that. So I moved out to 81 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.319 LA in about two thousand and fourteen, twenty fifteen. 82 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.240 Oh okay. So then, so see I get I just found 83 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.279 out I even know you graduated from the master's program. 84 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.560 So see I'm finding out to Yeah, so so you 85 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.600 moved out to LA. Now we actually met through through 86 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.000 trauma through Lloyd Kaufman, and you know, while and that 87 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.199 was while you were actually at full sale. So when 88 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.680 you were at full sale, do you think you know 89 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.480 that you had a lot more opportunities that you wouldn't 90 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:37.920 have had anywhere else, So sort of like to work 91 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:39.000 on a lot of these different movies. 92 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.360 I don't know. I don't really think that, you know, 93 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.480 film school in general matters as much as a lot 94 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.240 of people want to say it does. I think, you know, 95 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:52.959 given what I know now, if I could go back, 96 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.160 I probably would have tried to work a little bit 97 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.600 harder in high school and tried to get into like 98 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.240 USC or UCLA, just because I feel like, you know, 99 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.560 it's it's really all about your network, and if you 100 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.000 can get in out here a little earlier, it just 101 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.639 makes it so much easier to meet executives or meat 102 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.240 agents or meat managers or producers because a lot of 103 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.399 them are going to be in the same class as you. Rather, 104 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.199 if you're you know, in Florida and you go into 105 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:20.319 a school that anybody you know, it's pretty much paying 106 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.160 to go to because it's private, it's it's just not 107 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.759 the same pool of resources. That's not to say that 108 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.199 they didn't help me get jobs out here and introduced 109 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.199 into a lot of people. But I would say that 110 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.600 a lot of what I would consider to be my 111 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:36.639 own success is just based on me reaching out to 112 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.079 people myself. Yea. 113 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.800 You know there's an old saying your net worth is 114 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.879 your so your network is your net. 115 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.959 Worth, and that's one hundred per century. 116 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.800 It really is, my honest to God, Even if you 117 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.199 do something as obvious as like crowdfunding obviously, and you 118 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.000 go out and you're like, well, hey, I need people 119 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.639 to to to invest in this project, or if you're 120 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.160 doing something like even this podcast or even doing something 121 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.560 like releasing a film, if you don't have a network 122 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.759 built up, you really don't have any way to really 123 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.040 distribute the thing unless you're literally trying to build it 124 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.800 as you're doing it, which is Uh, it was just 125 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.519 like shooting yourself in the foot. 126 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:12.800 That's absolutely right. 127 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.120 So so when when when you say you should you 128 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.079 wish you had applied yourself in high school, uh, to 129 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.319 go out to like USC and stuff like that. I mean, no, Mike, 130 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.399 I trust me, I feel you. I did the same 131 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.439 thing in high school, man, I honestly, and when senior 132 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.480 year came around, I didn't give a shit about anything, 133 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:31.120 That's right. 134 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.439 I I literally man. Like. 135 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.040 My teachers were like, Dave, if you know, you don't 136 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.000 apply yourself anymore, and I'm like, I don't care. I 137 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.519 just want to get the help out of here. 138 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:44.000 Exactly. That's why I was. I was, I was, I 139 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:45.800 would like that. Before my I was like, that might 140 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.519 be eighth grade though, you know, yeah, I went to 141 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:53.319 two different high schools and and uh, you know the 142 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:55.920 funny part is when I was a junior in high school, 143 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.720 I cook in English. I was in an English honors 144 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.399 class because I finally had a teacher who kind of 145 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.680 convinced me to apply myself with writing. And she actually 146 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.680 did an informational interview assignment where you had to reach 147 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:10.600 out to a professional in your fields or where you 148 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:12.199 wanted to go into the career you want to go in. 149 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.079 So I was like, well, shit, man, I want to 150 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.120 be a you know, writer director. I mean, Spilberg's not 151 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:18.959 going to return my calls. You know, I can't really 152 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.199 reach out with Scorsese, So who can I reach out to? 153 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.360 And that's actually how I met Boyd with trauma and 154 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.480 started working like the conventions in Florida with him, which 155 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.319 is just really funny. And I think that was a 156 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.199 moment where my mind kind of opened up a little 157 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.480 bit where it was like, Okay, maybe she just focus 158 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.160 on this and focus on filmmaking and writing and your network. 159 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.399 So when I went to high school, I mean obviously 160 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:45.240 in Florida, when you go to high school, there's not 161 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.800 like a there's not even like a film history class, 162 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.560 well like a film theory, like collective. It's all just 163 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.720 the brass tacks high school stuff. And I would there 164 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.399 was no way for me to apply myself in the 165 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.399 career that I really wanted to except for in this 166 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.000 one creative writing class, you know. And I think there's 167 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.439 something to say about the art programs in schools with that, 168 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.839 because I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in right 169 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.000 now if I hadn't, you know, higging that course and 170 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.120 made that decision. I wish there was more of those 171 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:17.439 types of opportunities for people young students. 172 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.480 Yeah, it would show you that there's more out there 173 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.199 than just sort of like you know, you know, options A, 174 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.160 B and C. That's right, so, and you know that's 175 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:29.600 something too that you know. Even when I was in 176 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.440 high school, man, we would always watch these movies, all 177 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.879 these freaking movies. We would go to like all the 178 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.840 local video stores. You know, most people who listen to 179 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.440 this podcast know what those were, like the Blockbusters, Hollywood videos, 180 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.720 Oh yeah, man, and stuff like that. And then but 181 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.519 but you know, we would always rent these movies. We'd 182 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.519 go out and every Friday, Saturday night or whatever, we'd 183 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.320 go out. We'd just be watching all sorts of different 184 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.639 movies and all these crazy freaking stuff. And it didn't 185 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.399 even dawn on me at that point, dude, that I 186 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.639 could make a you know, I could do this for 187 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.360 a living. I just figured that everyone who wrote and 188 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.879 made movies was like, you know, granted these special privileges 189 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.919 by like the President of United States or some crap, you. 190 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.120 Know, right right exactly. It's like it's it's the unattainable goal. 191 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.679 You know, it's out there, but you have no what, 192 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.840 you have no idea how to you know, map your 193 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.759 road success in that field. There's there weren't a lot 194 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.279 of resources, you know, and it's crazy. It was literally 195 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:25.919 like you go when you watch movies and you think, 196 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.159 you know, I remember when I was ten years old, 197 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.840 I was watching Close Encounters and I'm like, this is great, 198 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.039 you know, And it was the first time my parents ever, 199 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.519 were like, well, you know, someone wrote that movie, and 200 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.039 it was like a light bulb off of my brand, 201 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.600 Like somebody writes movies. You know, it's just the craziest thing. 202 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:43.639 But now I think there's a lot there's a few 203 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.399 more resources just years later, and not that many years, 204 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.799 but there really weren't when I was in high school. 205 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.519 Yeah, it was sort of like, you know, you have 206 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.080 to go to college, you have to do this stuff. 207 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.240 And when I went to it, you know, and when 208 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.200 I went to college, I didn't know. I didn't know 209 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.480 anything exactly what I wanted to major in. 210 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.440 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 211 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:09.320 and now back to the show. 212 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.519 And you know, I bounced around from major to major, 213 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:15.720 but I was always, you know, in my spare time, 214 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.159 I was practiced in writing. And I actually the first 215 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.559 book I ever got on screenwriting was a book called 216 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:26.519 The Screenwriter's Bible by David Trodier. Yes, and I bought 217 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.039 that and that just sort of like opened the floodgates. 218 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.080 And now I was like, you know, getting different movies 219 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:32.799 and trying to figure out, you know, how to actually 220 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.039 how they wrote that stuff and how I do it. 221 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.919 I'll still do it. But but then you start to realize, 222 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.559 oh my god, there are people out there who actually 223 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:42.799 make movies. And I actually and at that I guess 224 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.759 maybe it was like two thousand and six or seven, 225 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.159 I actually really got into it and I was like, 226 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.279 you know, talking to independent filmmakers. I found them on 227 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.240 on my Space. Remember my Space, Mike. 228 00:10:55.440 --> 00:11:00.879 Man, Yeah, unfortunately I do. I think minds like like 229 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.759 I think, I went went to great length to delete mine. 230 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.480 I mine was actually deleted for me. 231 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:08.279 Uh. 232 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.679 And I got to notice one day they were like, 233 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.440 we're gonna just terminate all these unused MySpace accounts. Yours 234 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.919 is wonderful. And I said, honestly, burn that guy that 235 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.000 burned that thing to the ground. 236 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.120 Yeah, please take it away. Don't let anyone see this. 237 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.000 It's so true. It's a it's I. I have a 238 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.600 friend of mine who who still has or he had one, 239 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.840 and I was like, my god, man, I go to that. 240 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.159 That that's like a something from your childhood. That's like 241 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.320 an embarrassing moment. You're just like, please never bring that 242 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:40.679 up again. But uh, but you know, I actually I 243 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.919 actually met some from filmmakers through my Space, and uh, 244 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:46.919 and and some of these guys were actually in like 245 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.679 Jersey and New York, and uh, you know, I never 246 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.080 really put two and two together that there there's there's 247 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.919 a lot more there wasn't. 248 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:55.519 There was a lot more in the. 249 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.879 In the whole bigger area. I don't want to say 250 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.639 PA because it really wasn't that many and PA at 251 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.240 that time. But but like New York and Jersey, there 252 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.639 was a few people. Most didn't respond back because most 253 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.279 were looking for like producers that could fund and give 254 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.679 them money. Some actually money right exactly, And most actually 255 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.600 did though, you know, come back and say Okay, here's 256 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.480 what you can do. And then I just you know, 257 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.000 went from there. But but you know, what I'm trying 258 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.279 to say with all this is it's Simil's what you 259 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.440 did with Lloyd and you reached out to him and said, 260 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.559 you know, I can you know, I should see how 261 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.039 I could actually work with this guy, and you you 262 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:30.559 made an opportunity for yourself. 263 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.200 Yeah, I mean I took a class assignment and I 264 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.120 reached out on my shop in the email, I'm like, hey, 265 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.879 I want to do an interview with you over the phone, 266 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.200 you know, and just talk about your career and and 267 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.080 how you've made something out of nothing and continue to 268 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.480 do so. And he responded back with a cell phone 269 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.679 number and that was that was it. And then it 270 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.279 was just really up to me to keep him pinned 271 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.639 down and stay on top of him as much as possible, 272 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.879 you know, whenever he was in town or I went 273 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.159 to New York and that saw, you know, on different things. 274 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.120 It was it was just to keep to keep the 275 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:04.000 relationship alive. 276 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.440 Yeah, and you know, now with technology we're able to actually, 277 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.840 you know, keep in contact with people a lot better 278 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.399 and so and and also it's a double ed short 279 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.480 because then you're you're getting too much contact with with 280 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.600 every rip get you once right, Uh. But you know, 281 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.720 but you made an opportunity. You reached out, even it 282 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.200 was for a class or and you made sure to 283 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.399 make a contact and I think that's so important and 284 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.320 and I think and also you did the professional way. 285 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.159 I mean, I just had Whitty Davis in the podcast 286 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.600 for the second time and we talked about networking the 287 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.720 right way. And you know, the first time that you 288 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.600 you contact somebody, you shouldn't be asking for something right 289 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.559 now totally and uh and you know you you actually 290 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:47.840 were offering something for Lloyd and he took you up 291 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.960 on that and then again you know, and here we 292 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.960 are all these years later because and because when you 293 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.679 when you were on that Troma film, we met through that, 294 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.480 because that's when I I met Lloyd Uh, and then 295 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.879 we were start talking and then I think, uh, yeah, yeah, 296 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.399 that's how we meant. And then then uh, there's you know, 297 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:06.960 I've met a few other people through Lloyd d And 298 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.679 you know, Lloyd's always doing something on independent films. 299 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.600 He's a connector, man. I mean, he's the great connector, 300 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.799 you know. I mean he just if he's able to 301 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:16.960 put you on the phone or in the room with 302 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:18.600 somebody that you want to be on thunner in the 303 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.799 room with, he'll he'll do whatever he can to be 304 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.240 the one to do it, who does it, you know, 305 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.639 and and then he'll take all credit for it, which 306 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.639 he rightfully deserves. Yeah. 307 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.720 And I remember reading his his independent film book and 308 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.639 it was just absolutely hilarious and I was like, see, 309 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:40.559 he's he's he's making independent film. You fun. It's not 310 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.879 taken too seriously. And you know his and when he 311 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.200 was on the podcast, he uh, he said he founded 312 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.039 Trauma in Prison with Michael Hurts uh and he was 313 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.799 Michael Hurts's bitch and they founded Troma in. 314 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.360 Prison and I'm like wow. 315 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.759 And afterwards, the after the interview, I said to it, Lloyd, 316 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.200 do you have I think that someone's gonna listen to 317 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.960 this for the first time, not hearing of humor trauma, 318 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.440 and think, wow, that guy really started moving prisiness in prison. 319 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:13.559 He probably like, I hope no, you know, not far 320 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:14.320 from the truth. 321 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.480 You know, yeah, yeah, seriously, Uh, you know, I I've 322 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.200 you know, and Lloyd is great. He's a very good connector. 323 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:23.639 He's always connected and you know, different people and uh, 324 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.799 you know again because he connected us and and I've 325 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.080 been on different film sets multiple times. And you so, 326 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.080 you know, after you got off this, you know, just 327 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.840 to continue your story, after you got off you know, 328 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.600 the working on trauma, and you know, you sort of 329 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.200 you went back to Full Sale. You know, at what 330 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.399 point did you want to did you realize that you 331 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.919 wanted to go back for your for a master's at 332 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.080 Full Sale at. 333 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.320 The beginning, just because it was kind of part of 334 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.240 the deal with my parents and just the way that 335 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:57.159 they structured their programs. It was like if you it 336 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.759 was like they had a deal, like it was like 337 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.960 a bogo, Like if you buy one degree, you know, 338 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.720 we can give you this second degree at a certain 339 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.159 cost that was thousands of dollars less than it would 340 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.360 have been had you decided to do it later. Because 341 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.399 every so many years they restructure their programs and they 342 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.440 changed the cost. So it just happened to be that. 343 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:21.279 When we sat down with a representative of Full Sale, 344 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.039 they were just they were like, now, if you want 345 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.720 to take the master's program in business, you know we can. 346 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:26.159 We can. 347 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:26.759 We can go. 348 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.480 Ahead and lump it in with the film program and 349 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.159 it'll end up costing you less money later on. And 350 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.000 you know, it was like it was like no time. 351 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.240 You know, it was so quick because it's such an 352 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.879 accelerated program that my parents were like, you might as well. 353 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.559 And I mean at that point it was kind of 354 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:44.200 whatever they wanted to do. I was really doing it 355 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.360 more for them. I think I kind of knew that 356 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:50.360 I needed to move somewhere and just start working, but 357 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.320 you know, to keep everything cool at home and to 358 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.120 put a diplomb on the wall. I was like, yeah, 359 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:57.039 we'll go ahead and do that. 360 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.039 And you know, again, it's good that you had a plan, 361 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.600 because honestly, like you can become like me and you 362 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.640 know obviously have no plan and just kind of figure 363 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.119 your way out. But but no, it's good to the 364 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.599 unip man. There's not really a plan out there, you know. 365 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.240 It's like you just have to figure it out. There's 366 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.039 not really a right or wrong way to do this. 367 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.440 I think you just have to you have to do it. 368 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.279 You have to just set goals and hit those goals. 369 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.680 And those goals can be anything, as long as you 370 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.960 know that at the end of that list there's some 371 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.359 sort of success and whatever that successes, and that being 372 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.720 monetary success. It could just be moving to Los Angeles, 373 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.200 from moving to New York or getting a show, a 374 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.519 gig on a show or anything. You know, there's not 375 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.119 really there's not really a way to teach this. 376 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.119 And you mentioned, you know, moving to LA and that's 377 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.640 actually what I want to ask next, is you know, yeah, 378 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:45.799 so you got the Masters and then you moved out 379 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:47.880 to LA. I think you said out twenty fourteen is 380 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:48.640 when you moved down. 381 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.200 It would Yeah. I mean, I'm horrible at date, so 382 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.519 I'm probably butchering it. Well, let's just say that. And 383 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.359 basically what happened to is after I was done with 384 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.160 the film program, and I went to the masters. All 385 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.960 of my film school friends that are moved out to 386 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.039 Los Angeles. So by the time I was done, you know, 387 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.319 I had couches to sleep on, which is really key 388 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.119 when you're moving from you know, Podunk, Florida to one 389 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.640 of the most expensive cities in the nation. Is it 390 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.000 nice to be able to find somewhere to sleep while 391 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.839 you're getting your footing or finding your footing right. And 392 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.680 so I host up with the career Development program at 393 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.680 full sale and they got me the internship out here 394 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.480 and I called by my friends and he was like, man, 395 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:30.799 you can come out here. You can sleep on my 396 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.640 couch for as long as you want or need to. 397 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.279 You know, I know that you're not getting paid anything 398 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.599 with your internship. Just just get out here, like that's 399 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.279 all we want. We just want you out here. So 400 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.160 I flew out and moved in with him. And sorry, 401 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.440