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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's No Mattal. We are your

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weekly rock punk, heavy metal, heavy music podcast, and we

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are here once again to fix you up with what

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has been going on and also today a pretty fucking

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stellar batch of reviews that have come for us over

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the last kind of a few weeks of October twenty

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twenty four. I know that, you know today as this

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episode drops, there's like a few more like big albums

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that people are going to be, you know, keen to

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chat about. They've got to wait a couple of weeks

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for us because we have some serious stuff to dive

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all in on. It's going to be a bumper enough

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episode as it is, because we are going to be

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talking about the new albums from Blood, Incantation, Undeath, Balance

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and Composure, hive Z to Share More, a Rancy Pazuzu

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and chat Pile, and we also have what is a

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pretty insane amount of news to be going through for

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a you know, album review week as well, so we

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got to get underweight with all that. My name is

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Parenhirsh with me as ever, Elliott Paisley, Sam Dignon, how

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are we Yeah? Pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Saw Biffy Clara playing Finity Land in Fall this week.

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That was a very nice time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we again, we've got a lot that

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Speaker 2: Get said, there's a lot, so I'll just kind of

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like Blitzer and just say Biffy Claro like playing their

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weirdest album in Fall like men, and then the after

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the seller stafter was playing a bunch of like weird

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deep cuts from Opposites, which I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, yes, please do this more often.

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Speaker 1: You've got to counter the most exciting album with the

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most boring one, ipsis.

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Speaker 2: But then I think the first part is that the

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majority of Sellist was there doing their weirdest freak material,

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and then the encore of Machines and many of Horror,

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and I was like, that just feels like peak Iffy

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Claro to kind of do their like sweetish, smallt siest

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kind of like ballads for an encore of their weirdest

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set possible.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they were fantastic.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to twenty of these celebrations of beginning

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shows or been twenty of them, you like, it's just

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been a real treat to see that band kind of

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like celebrate what eclectic, unique band they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have very much enjoyed catching that or

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the Black and Sky Show or something. I Instead, I

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saw that the great US black metal band Woe this

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week for what I believe was their first time in

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the UK, and that was very nice. As said, for

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what is we already have like some pretty meaty discussion

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points when it comes to our album reviews. We have

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this show, so we are going to get through again

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lots of live stuff in particular, lots of festival announcement,

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show announcement stuff to dissect. We do have to start, unfortunately,

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this you know news bracket with of course, the news

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that we received just a few days ago for us here,

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which was that Paul Deano, of course, the you know,

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original singer of you know, Iron Maiden on those first

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two albums, had had passed away, and that was you know,

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it was a real it was a bolt out of

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the blue in terms of I think we all know

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that he'd you know, had health problems and you remember

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just recently they had announced that he was going to

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be kind of stepping back from kind of big international

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tours with his band and stuff like that, so he

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was kind of beginning to take a back seat, but

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you certainly don't expect, you know, within just a couple

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of weeks of announcement like that, to you know, wake

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up and see, oh fuck, Paul Theanna is gone, no

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not again touring so recently, like yeah, you saw like

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one of his last performances, right, yeah, well actually checked

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on setlers to film. I think it was in the

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last half a dozen or so that he put together. Sure, yeah,

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it's I mean, it's it's not very rational, but like

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you say, when the news came through, I just thought,

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which which doesn't really make any sense, but kind of

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because you know, pauled the Anno's biggest legacy. It obviously

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comes from you know, two albums released in nineteen eighty

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and nineteen eighty one, but those songs, and you know,

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plenty of artists who leave behind like countless more songs

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and albums over decades and decades, Because every person listening

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to us right now, I would wager, even if they're

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songs from those records, whether it be Rathchild or Phantom

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of the Opera. You know, I put on my Instagram

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that day as a very pitiful little form of a tribute.

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But like many days, I drink my tea out of

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a Killer's mug, and that is a common item you

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can find in most hmvs. Probably right, Like the iconography

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of that period is that level of like you know

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as iconic as any of the kind of Dickinson sort

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of I made and stuff. And again I I'm not

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crazy about the Poliano made into material.

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Speaker 1: Really that surprises me. I imagine you'd be the kind

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of up the punks you know factor about us.

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never not necessarily gravitated towards us. If I like I

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made no I was kind of like the big like

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the middle classic Dickinson I reckon day.

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Speaker 1: You're having a weakening with it like that, I probably will.

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Speaker 2: I probably will because it's one where again, like I

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haven't listened to those albums in four in a while.

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I've listened, though there are songs from them that I'll

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still you know, slap on and be like what a banger.

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Speaker 3: But it was one where again.

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Speaker 2: I know obviously Pauliana has had his troubles over the years,

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but it's still is like again just come out of

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the blue where it felt like he was active again

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but sort of taking a step back, and then it

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feels like there must have been quite rapid, like yeah,

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towards the end.

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Speaker 1: I mean talking about those records. It it's not like

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Paul Deianna was even incidental to them, do you know

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what I mean? Incidental to how good they are, Like

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they're two of my absolute favorite Iron Maiden records and

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one of the nice I guess side effects of seeing

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it live was like on my way home, I just thought,

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he's on, and I had the best time and I've

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been listening to them like near constantly since, and those

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songs are so much better for Paul Diana's performances. Again,

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there's sort of the narrative seems to go, oh, they

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had this punk sing and then they've got Bruce Dickinson

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and that's when they got good. But it's like he's

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such a huge part of why those two records are

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still enduring and don't feel don't feel dated. There's such

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an an energy to his performances. And you know, Bruce

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stage and has lungs like a steam engine, but Paul

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a field of metal heads, who is your like very

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favorite band, your number one band, I would wager that

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and Paul Deano's role as the original vocalist you know

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on you know, their debut album, their second album. They're

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not like the biggest selling Iron Maiden records but we

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all know Paul Diano's name because of that, and we

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all have relationships with that work. And you know, again

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speaking just for kind of you know, my own generation,

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you're coming along after people who actually remember Pauliano being

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an Iron Maiden. I still have like incredibly formative memories

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of hearing those two Iron Maiden records when I was thirteen.

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he's a part of on them, it makes him one

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of the most formative voices that many of us will

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kind of experience and know in heavy metal, you know,

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because he fronted Iron Maiden for three years in total,

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I think it is and those have to be three

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of the most instrumental years of any band ever, and

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two performance you know, two albums and his performances on them.

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the opposite sensation of what you were decribing it to be, like, oh,

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you know, you know, the band really came into their

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own when Bruce Dickers and You're in the band. I

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think there are many punk leaning Metal Maiden fans out

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there who kind of like to be contrarian about like, oh,

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only the first two Iron Maiden albums are like worth

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your time. And you know, while we enlightened folk obviously

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recognize how much Bruce Dickinson brought to the band and

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what heights they would reach further into the eighties, I

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do think like it's a valid choice for someone to

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their favorite, because, honestly, still there is a certain energy

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anywhere else. I mean, like, I again, I adore big, epic,

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fantastical Iron Maiden, But if you're you know, if you're

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walking down a dingy city street and you need that

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you know it's gonna be one of the first two

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because that grit, that danger factor. You know that the

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era of the band with Eddie stepping over Margaret Thatcher's

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body on artwork. You know, the danger that the band

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as a whole kind of had at that time, perfectly

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represented in Paul Sanctuary running free Prowler, like that kind

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of grab you by the scruff of your neck and

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steal your lunch money, like genuine cool of it all

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that Iron Maiden only really had in that era the

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perfect again kind of like the first thing Postmotorhead that

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had that real like meeting of punk with heavy metal

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at that time, genuinely like threatening at that time, and

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heavy metal being the kind of lightning bolt kick up

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the ass that heavy metal you know at the end

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of the seventies going into the eighties needed to keep

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Speaker 4: It's there's one of those eras of a band where

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you think you can appreciate it fully and then you

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say something like that and think, I've never even thought

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about it on that scale before.

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Speaker 1: But that's exactly right.

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thing that gets Metallica to form. I mean, it's not

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necessarily the Bruce stuff. And there's so many bands that

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now it's like you did have these melodies, but they

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were also brasher and faster. It was on all fronts.

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It was a progression and as far as a master

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of ceremonies, Pouliana's irreplaceable in that you can't imagine another

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singer taking that spot.

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or whatever, but none of them had that particular thing

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that Paulianna had. And I think that's exactly right where

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you think about how quickly metal evolved back then, and

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thrash bands. How many of them were forming in nineteen eighty,

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many of those singers at that point in time, in

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the guy we want to be. You know, that was

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of metal vocalist. You know, whether you were in Exodus

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voice in heavy metal at that time, like bar A Lemmi.

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it's so much character, like the little inflections he'd put

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on things like often on the kind of more obscure tracks,

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but like you know, whether it's Murders in the Rubog

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or you know, Purgatory. I think about a song like

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twilight Zone, which isn't even on streaming because it's not

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on the main version of Killers that they have on there.

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Bunch of people probably even haven't heard that song if

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they've only come to that album in the you know,

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Spotify years. But that kind of oh okay do you

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see you mean, it's like genuinely like vocal lines that

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will stay in your head forever. What are some of

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your favorite I guess like Paulo, you know stand up

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performances on Maiden songs.

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Speaker 4: Oh Drifter was the first song I went to when

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I found out a thing, And it's that sort of rabid,

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ironically spitfire, the livery that he has where it's the

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words are just flooding out of him and there's just

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a snarl in each syllable, and that's quite musically. That

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song's quite light footed and lightweight, and him coming on

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and just adding that bit of menace to it. Again,

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that's the thing where as much as I love everything

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I meant, not everything, as much as I love.

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Speaker 1: What I'm made and would go one to do afterwards.

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Speaker 4: They never really had that again, like again like Wrathchild,

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like something like Fansom of the Opera, where in the

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hands of Bruce that becomes a fully fledged theatrical heavy

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metal song. You go back to the original and it

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it has that quality to it, but it still sounds

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like it's being sung in a pub and in the

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best way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite song of his tenure in the band

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is maybe Prowler, like the way that that kicks off

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the first Iron Made an album, and that's a horrid,

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ugly song lyrically, like it's about fucking creeping through the

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bushes and exposing yourself to women, like you can't go

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singing that these days, But like the energy that he

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gives it again, that grit, that danger factor, like you

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know what you were saying, like you could never quite

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imagine Bruce singing that, or like Women in Uniform or

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Charlotte the Harler in the same way quite as convincingly.

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you put on the first two Iron Made albums today

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and they are kind of colored by contrasting to what

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came after and what we normally associate I Made with being.

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But I think because of that they will always take

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you by surprise in how like actually careful and textured

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and detailed they are as well. And that goes for

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Paul's performance because songs like Remember Tomorrow, Strange World, Prodigal Sun,

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Like he wasn't you know, a belter like Bruce, but

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he had a seriously.

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Speaker 3: There was not one note vocalist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a great voice. And again I think

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what you were saying, Elliott is maybe the kind of

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like the ideal fantasy of what like someone like Pauliano

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could be. But like he wasn't just some like you know,

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sid vicious character who's stumbled up there, like he could

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properly hold a note. Yeah, Like I mean, it's funny

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you just mentioned Women in Uniform, one of my earliest

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associates with heavy metal was I had the compilation of

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Iron made in music videos, which are not great music videos,

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I don't know, but the first one on there is

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women in Uniform and there's a bit where when it's

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building you and he lets out like his version of

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the air Raid Siren.

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Speaker 4: And I was vaguely familiar with Iron Maiden at that point,

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and I sort of knew the relationship, the difference between

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Bruce and Pauliano. And then he did that and I thought,

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oh wait, he's not just like you said. He's not

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just a Johnny ross and or or Joe Strommer just

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funds in this heavy metal band. This guy like he

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had pipes, and I again, it's kind of like the

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fill in it thing where because he's cool, you think, well,

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he can't be that good, but piled in it like

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he can sing and is good. And like Paul Deano

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had like his in his pomp, he had that sort

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of flare to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, none of this is to comment

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on on Paul Deano. You know, personally we didn't know him.

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He did have his public ups and downs over the years,

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like you were mentioning before. He definitely, you know, he

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played up the hard man character quite a bit even

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you know, kind of continuing on later to his career.

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But this is it's just a really notable moment, you know,

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like one of the voices that is so instrumental from

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an early stage I imagine for a lot of us

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in falling in love with heavy metal, passing on and again.

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Today I did what you said earlier. I just queued

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up everything, like all the material that I had made

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in released with with with Paul Dano, and it is

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two hours or so of just like the most magic

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music that never ever through all of the years, like

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changing trends, changes an attitude towards like Iron Maiden or

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Knew a British heavy metal what's cool, what isn't whatever,

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never lost its luster or stopped feeling cool. And there

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is now, especially after this week, a certain kind of

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misdyiedness that comes with that. So yeah, rest in peace

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to Paul Theano. As I said before, all that we

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have an awful lot of kind of festival based and

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live news to really try and power through. One is

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I guess we're going to start with something that dropped.

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We briefly mentioned it in our episode last week when

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we were not doing news stuff, but we have to

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mention and a festival is called Sick New World Festival,

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which you all know what it is, even if you

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know prior to this kind of last week's announcement. It's

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one of those huge corporate America festivals that has popped

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up in the last couple of years. That's books every

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band ever and like, yeah, obviously the line up the

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poster looks absolutely insane, like the festival itself with the

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one day clashes and everything still seems like something nightmare.

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But you look at the poster and undeniably, yeah, like

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incredible stuff bands all over it, Like you know, there's

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bad bands on it as well, but there's just so

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many bands on it that there's still about kind of

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like ten to twenty of what I would call like

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my all time favorite bands on this poster. You know,

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Metallica and Lincoln Park at the top, and then below

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them a whole load of other stuff that goes all

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the way down. Now, there is an element of this poster,

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like let's cut to the chase, that is more the

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reason we're discussing this is more bamboozling than the rest

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of it. I'm gonna describe to you my process of

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seeing this poster. I saw I think it was like

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Cannibal Corpse or someone had like, you know, that was

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the particular post that showed up in my feed when

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this was announced. And I looked the poster and I thought, saw,

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ye know, Metallica and Linkin Park at the top. Cool, right,

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you know, big band to be expected. I found Cannibal

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Corpse's logo on the left hand side, and my eyes

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whatever even you know, drifted over to that left hand

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side of the poster. I saw Mayhem, I saw three

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to eleven. I thought it was funny that Mayhem and

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three eleven were on the same half of a poster.

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And then my eyes, okay, I've looked at that side,

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drifted over to the right hand side, and I was like, okay, right,

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Evan Essence, three Days Grace, acid Bath what like? And

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did an actual fucking double take whiney coyote googu eyes

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like double take of like and acid bath literally on

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the poster, sandwiched in between Evan Essence and three days

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Grace two times whatever they hell that means in relation

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to three days Grace. But that is a logo I

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have never seen on a festival poster before, never expected

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to see on a festival poster before. And I guess

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we have like slightly more information now in terms of

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like the members have said, like, yeah, it's real, we're

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doing this, We're doing a couple of shows. We kind

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of know who's in the band. We know that, for example,

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Dak's Riggs is Dax's back ye singing as you would

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obviously imagine expect for an Acid bath room you nic

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had to be like, who is in the and but

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this is like literally unprecedented. This is a band who

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have never reunited since breaking up in nineteen ninety seven,

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right when I was like probably not even one, when

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Elliott was about mind and it didn't exist, and we

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have never entertained the idea that Acid Bath would do

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what they're doing at the fucking the Spooky Core Festival

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of all things.

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Speaker 2: I was say, like you said, of all places, I

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was like, I was like, it's the perfect place to

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come back for them to come back, because it's just

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like one of those what the fuck lineups and what's more,

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what the fuck than Acid Bath just kind of and

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that was it. There was no kind of like all

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Acid Bath for teasing something. It was just they were

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there on the post like there was no like all

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big things coming to from Acid Bath, Like if I

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would have made it even like NAFA, if they'd they'd

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been like an Acid Bath Instagram account that some shit

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like that got the way. Yeah, they just and it

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was just gonna everyone. And again they're on there for

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anyone knew who was in the band, and it was

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just kind of like this, like it just made this

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already kind of like head fuck of a poster where

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again you can see like massive on and reviews like

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next to Tomahawk and Chemical and this all kind of

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man's all over the place, and then it is the

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Acid Bath above three days Grace is like.

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Speaker 3: The fuck is going on in America?

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Speaker 1: I mean, fair play to these big corporate festivals because

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they seem to the ones that can make this sort

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of thing happen, because it's just the blue sky thinking

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and I imagine deep pockets that allows this to happen.

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Like I imagine people who put this together. Some of

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them might not even pay attention to rock and metal.

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They just nowadays they're just looking at the nineties and

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early naughties and someone with a big wall it might

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as go as we get acid Bath, and and more

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sensible was that, oh no, that's not really possible because

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they've they've talked before and it no, no, just get it done.

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And then again it's the same like when Slayer came back.

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I thought, who would even ask? Like, who would think

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it was possible? Like you're as likely to honestly, seeing

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the acid Bath logo on a festival is like seeing

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Ramon's original lineup on a festival. It's that level of

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what do you mean? And if the acid Bath were

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for reform, you can imagine maybe doing an impromptu reunion

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somewhere in Louisiana and it never happening again, like four

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people filming at That's the sort of thing which would

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make sense for Acid Bath. The big corporate Monster energy

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festivals going away with acid Bath. So did they come

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to you? Did you go to them? Yeah? Again, just

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on that. I do hope that, like basically, actual Acid

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Bath fans get an opportunity to see this, because yeah,

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the majority of people who are going to be buying

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tickets to Sick New Well, to see Lincoln Park and

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everything else will have no idea who adid Bath are?

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Speaker 2: I want those people to stumble int seeing Acid Bath

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like the people who stumbled into seeing Swans Yeah this

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year just did like level experiences are this because you know,

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obviously Acid Bath have not been the things that's night

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in ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: We are, you know, like falling the demorapheople who are

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incredibly psyched about this because you know, we've spoken on

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the show before about kind of what tremendous fans we

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are of their their work.

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Speaker 3: But got me into Acid Bath from that album club.

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Speaker 1: Like Yeah, but like acid Bath are a in the

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scheme of things, a small deal, and I think it's weird.

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You know, there are people who you maybe remember Acid

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Bath from the first time around who now find it

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slightly surreal that they have become this Like this random

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band from ninety seven can a bit of a sort of

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refuse type phenomenon. This random band from way back when

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who now like have a for the kind of band

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they are quite large amount of like Spotify listeners and

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that kind of thing, like a cult band who are

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now It is one of those things where they are

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more legendary and more popular now than they have ever been.

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But the flip side of that is because they haven't

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been you know, wrote a thing for a long time,

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and they're not the biggest band in the world. There

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are tons of people who are like, who the fuck

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are Acid buff and why why should I care about

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this logo on the poster? Why are so many people

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freaking out? But it there are lots of people who

475
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have never listened to them. You know, we've had, you know,

476
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,079
in the few days in this aalnament, we've had a

477
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,079
lot of comments and conversations with people online whatever I'm

478
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,000
sure or people been like, yeah, so I'd like the

479
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,799
Acid Bath thing has completely passing by. Who are these guys?

480
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: Like?

481
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: What should I be listening to? And that kind of

482
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,240
just makes it even more bizarre that they're on, you know,

483
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,599
this Sickney World thing. I I'm so bamboozled by the

484
00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:27,720
initial announcement again, like that literal double take idea. When

485
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,279
I saw the poster, my next stage was like, Okay,

486
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,200
don't get too excited. You live in the United Kingdom.

487
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,240
You probably won't ever seen this, right, simmere down, big

488
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,079
sick New World type money. As we said going into this,

489
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,799
we don't know how many shows they're planning on playing.

490
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,200
It is worth noting that in the time again, since

491
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:50,559
this announcement. They have just announced a second show which

492
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:54,599
is at the Sonic Temple Festival, also in the US,

493
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,599
which Elliot you pointed out just the second stage of

494
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,960
that one day where they are playing. But again this

495
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,880
is again another huge commercial rock festival, but that particular

496
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,119
second stage goes two hundred Stab Wounds, Converge, Death, Heaven's

497
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Suicidal Tendencies, Acid Bath, Mastodon, which is mean a day out.

498
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,640
This is my favorite like that. Just so this is

499
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,519
the run of the poster right that they are on

500
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:19,920
and their logo. So this is the the second band

501
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,680
from the top on the second stage of this festival,

502
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:27,039
right along Thursday through Sunday. It goes poppy, Acid Bath,

503
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:32,559
Jimmy World, what you were Done Dead? I'm living in

504
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,359
where Acid of Hollywood Undead on the same level of

505
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,880
it's so weird seeing this. But those two shows, aren't

506
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,279
you know right now or we have? Will they announce

507
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,720
more shows? Probably in the US, I imagine there'd be

508
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,640
a couple more. Will they announce any shows anywhere else?

509
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,599
That is the great unanswered question here. Does anyone in

510
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,240
the UK either have the money or care? Because download

511
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,960
have the money A book, Acid Bath, I imagine do they care?

512
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:06,359
But it's such a weird Gulf thing. Like I can't

513
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,160
picture Acid Bath playing Download, which would be our equivalent

514
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,799
of what these festivals is. That's so fucking We're like

515
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,160
any band like acid Bath if they play download would

516
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,720
be like in the middle of the fourth stage. It's

517
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,400
so weird. Where is the natural home of an acid

518
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,519
Bath here in the UK? You've got obviously it's Damnation,

519
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,160
Like that's.

520
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:27,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I would say, but can Damnation fork out?

521
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,599
It depends. We don't know what this Acid Bath union costs.

522
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my hope is that obviously, like you know,

523
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,440
like Sammy from Acid Bath has been playing any goat

524
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,240
hoor for many years and he's still got a kind

525
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,559
of I don't know, like a diy attitude. Like I

526
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,920
hope that though he'd be maybe open to be like, yeah,

527
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,319
we'll come and play for the fans and you don't

528
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,799
need to pay her play us like ten million pounds,

529
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,799
but like that, I don't know how the US has

530
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,759
managed to, you know, machinate the situation where Acid Bath

531
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:56,319
have been paid extreme amounts of money to play festivals

532
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,720
like Sick New World, whereas again, here their natural home

533
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,720
are places which are not able to throw exorbitant amounts

534
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,400
of money at weird cult bands like Acid Bath. It's

535
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,279
so bizarre. But if you don't know acid Bath, we

536
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,279
did an album club on their most well remembered album,

537
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,880
When the Kitestring Pops last summer, So we recommend you

538
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960
go and check that out for the whole kind of

539
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,319
spiel of why we think this band are so special.

540
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,599
But I mean, I hope I see it. You know,

541
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,480
if they play anywhere in the UK, obviously we're fucking there.

542
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,079
But like just in general, it just this is the

543
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,240
most surreal reunion of like certainly this year, Like this

544
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,599
fucking knock Slayer out into the you know, the ice sheets.

545
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:43,960
Like it's absolutely unheard of that this band who weren't

546
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,240
even on streaming until a couple of years ago are

547
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,200
now Sickly World Festival. Absolutely fucking bizarre. We'll keep you

548
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,799
posted on if there's any more Acid Bath news and

549
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,680
maybe if it comes closer to home. We also had

550
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
speaking I guess of you know, big re unions. We

551
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,559
had some Bloodstock news as well. They put out another announcement.

552
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:06,000
This was a weird thing where like it was a

553
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Blusstock announcement and I looked at the main stage and

554
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,599
I thought, well, that's you know, it's decent, but not

555
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,640
kind of the most crazy announcement I've ever seen, you know,

556
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,400
like they've got Fear Factory playing the manufacturing full again,

557
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,440
which you know, great, but it's been there before, you know,

558
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,680
like Harry's pretty good. Are like war Bringer. I've actually

559
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,839
seen war Bringer so nice. And then I look down

560
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,480
at the second stage and I went, oh, fuck nail

561
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Bomb and also like you know, Undeath and Spirit Adrift

562
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,519
on there as well. But you know, we were discussing

563
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,480
the nail Bomb reunion, that is, if you want to

564
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,920
see it in the UK at on the second not

565
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,720
even headlining in the second stages. I feel like it

566
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,319
surely could do. And it's a kind of annoying slot

567
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,240
now where it's going to be in that like just

568
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,920
before the actual main stage headliner, running in between type slot.

569
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,279
But nail Bomb are at Bloodstock. We moved on to

570
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,720
two thousand Trees, who have like fully you know, pulled

571
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,880
out the stops this time. They have announced their their

572
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,200
you know, their first run of bands for twenty twenty

573
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,640
five's festival, and they went big with it. In terms

574
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,400
of they have announced every single one of their headlining bands,

575
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,359
which is five bands because we have two co headlining situations,

576
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,559
and also I think it's around fifty other bands all

577
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,400
across the poster. There was a lot of kind of

578
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,200
hype building for this, namely because two thousand Trees kind

579
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,160
of suggested obviously we've got a lot of our you know,

580
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,039
a lot of our bill here, we've got all of

581
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,400
our headliners, and they were leading into it with kind

582
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,240
of online cryptic teaser clues and stuff like that, which

583
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,640
we can discuss in a minute. But the headliners are

584
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680
on the Thursday, So just in case you don't know,

585
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,279
the Trees is a Thursday through Saturday situation, so a

586
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,680
three day event. The Thursday is a cohendal liner between

587
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,720
Kneecap and Paris, Friday is a cohone between Taking Back

588
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Sunday and Cohin and Cambria, and Saturday is going to

589
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,759
be headlined by Alexis on Fire. And as said, there

590
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:56,720
are many other bands below that as well. I guess

591
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,799
the big story out of the bunch is Million Dead,

592
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,279
which is Frank's old hardcore band who are returning for

593
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,839
the first time in twenty years. Or something like that.

594
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,960
It's also kid Kapechi large dispute. There's a nice little

595
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,279
run of heavy bands if you'd like. Obviously Gel employed

596
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,640
to serve herriot, and a bunch kind of below that

597
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,039
as well. First kind of instinct the game. We'll get

598
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,799
onto some of the teasers and maybe some of the

599
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,799
things that we were slightly led to the in a minute.

600
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,880
But Sam, looking at that big, you know, run of

601
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,079
bands from two thousand Trees, is that a thumbs up

602
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:29,440
for you?

603
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,079
Speaker 2: I mean I would argue they've probably booked the best

604
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,079
possible headliner a festival like two thousand Trees could book

605
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,200
in Alexis on fire. I think there's only other one

606
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,640
band I would put on that level, which is Afi.

607
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: But you know this is never gonna happen.

608
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,839
Speaker 2: Give up, just give up the dream, Sam, But no,

609
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,519
I think this is pretty fucking excellent.

610
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,599
Speaker 3: I mean, first day like Paris.

611
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,319
Speaker 2: Are they as hot as they once were? I don't know,

612
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,960
but they still feel like a relatively big band. Kneecapa

613
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,960
all the buzz at the moment in kind of like

614
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,880
obviously not our circles, but there is a whole load

615
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960
of exciting around them, So I think a great get.

616
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: Take Mexicana and Conan Cambria.

617
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,519
Speaker 2: Like, it's great pairing if you're down for your Naughty's

618
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:06,960
emo's headliner.

619
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: And Alex on Fire.

620
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,799
Speaker 2: I just think I just like, yeah, absolutely smash out

621
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,680
the park like perfect choice for a headlin a festival

622
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,720
the size of two thousand Trees. I think it's a

623
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,960
real like great booking. And again look at the undercard.

624
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,960
There's there's loads of cool stuff even in this sort

625
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,400
of bands that aren't in their own front bad sign back.

626
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
I'm really happy to see that, Like, that's a really

627
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440
cool one. Keran Nashi are on there, Like.

628
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,839
Speaker 1: Kay and Ashy is the one of the non logos

629
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,240
on the poster. K and Ashy is the one I

630
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,759
was like, I'd like to see k and Nashy. That'd

631
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:34,039
be cool.

632
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: Space of a really sort of solid hark Van Hidden

633
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,079
Mothers are like decent kind of UK metal band.

634
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think this is a great first showing.

635
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: It's like Trees are those festivals that I've always like

636
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,119
I should go and it lands a really awkward time

637
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,880
and this one will kind of like, yeah no, you

638
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:49,359
just got to make it happen this year.

639
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think certainly if you could just go off

640
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,960
the headliners. First of all, I think that's a very

641
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,519
strong batch and certainly just kind of as it is

642
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880
for me personally, it's one of the more tempting batches

643
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,359
of headliners.

644
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,279
Speaker 2: They not got any any brit Rock like like is

645
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:07,920
on there for you?

646
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,759
Speaker 1: Like no, But I mean it's a again, so that's

647
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,119
covered like the third day Kneecap is. I've not really

648
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,799
checked out their music demans. I know they had that

649
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,920
film that came out and because of that they've kind

650
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,440
of become a lot more part of the conversation of like,

651
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,440
so I think that is certainly a very savvy booking

652
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,599
in terms of like grabbing something while it's hot, and

653
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,640
like there are yeah they are hot, yeah, and you

654
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,240
know there are you know, people from way outside of

655
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,759
like you know, our rock scene who you know, know

656
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,279
who Kneecapp are at the moment, So that seems but they.

657
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Do also cross over, like for like a hip hop act,

658
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,880
they have crossed over. I know a lot of people

659
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,880
who are into rock who are all about Kneecap because

660
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,759
they are really larry and at it.

661
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's again grabbing something while it's there.

662
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,920
I think Kneecap is, you know, a very clever little

663
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:53,759
booking co heading. Like with with Paris, again it's of

664
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:56,759
the headliners, it's the weak one of the bunch in

665
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,160
my opinion. But again that's not really for me to say.

666
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
It's something that crosses over into a different audience and

667
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,599
in terms of where they are as big as they

668
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,319
once were, again I'm sure that they will kind of

669
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,680
crunch some numbers here and gone, like yeah, it's time

670
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,960
to chuck something behind Paris taking back Sunday and Cohen

671
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,839
and Cambria is a very good double certainly Coheed to

672
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,640
me of those two. But again even taking about Sunday,

673
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,440
you know kind of they come and they pump out

674
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,839
the classics and I'm sure, yeah, you're you're having a

675
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160
really good time. Alexis on Fire is one of the

676
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,200
kind of like three or four like dream headliners. For me,

677
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,920
that would be like seriously tempting to kind of bring

678
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,359
me back there. And as said, you know again going

679
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:37,640
into the lower bands, there's a lot of bands I

680
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,559
haven't heard of, which again is it is on me.

681
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,079
But there are the odd things jumping out at the

682
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:44,920
bottom from like a kaya Nashi for example, that again

683
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,440
is kind of like, yeah, assuring me that there's decent

684
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,960
stuff going on down below as well. So I think

685
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,359
in terms of like them putting you know, a lot

686
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,079
of stock into kind of making this out to be

687
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,200
like a big announcement for them, maybe similar to what

688
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
like Bloodstock you know, did recently, I think there's a

689
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,160
no here to justify that being kind of the case

690
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,000
and being warranted. It's a really good little bunch, as said,

691
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,720
the clues that they put out beforehand. The it's excellent

692
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,119
height building. The unfortunate side effect of putting out clues

693
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,000
like that is you kind of you hand people something

694
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,960
that when it does not turn out to be true,

695
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400
it's like, oh, but I thought that was the clue, right,

696
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,559
And people are then getting disappointed about something that you'd

697
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,960
never had booked, but it's kind of been planted in

698
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
their head because they've built it up to be something.

699
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,440
I am shocked actually that Ramcid aren't there. I was

700
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,200
certain one of the clues was like a like a

701
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:41,799
like a you know, a dog or a wolf or

702
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,759
something and like a net and the wolf like jumped

703
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,720
into the net and then jumped out of it, and

704
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,319
it's like, well, it's the thirtieth anniversary of an outcome

705
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,079
the Wolves next year, So if you'd ask me to

706
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:54,960
put money on one of them, I was dead, sir

707
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440
that a rancid like thirtieth anniversary out called the Wolve

708
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,319
set would have been on here, and that would also

709
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:00,720
have been one of the saying that sort of three

710
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:01,319
or four kind.

711
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: Of yeah, that's another like the top tier like yeah.

712
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: So for a moment, I was like, oh man, if

713
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,799
we've got fucking like Rancier and Extor Fire and AFI

714
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,760
and everything, then that would have been like unbelievable. As

715
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,559
mentioned right, the AFI thing. If James Scarlett is listening,

716
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,760
I like, this isn't on you. I know it's it's

717
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,840
I know, it's not your job title to be like

718
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,719
chief AFI booker, like it will happen when it happens.

719
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,280
I'm not holding to that standard every single year. I

720
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,280
understand that I generally wasn't even thinking about a FI

721
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:29,760
because there was.

722
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: A high deluded, but I'm deluding myself.

723
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: I delude mysel it's going to be a five because

724
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,679
they have to come back here one day.

725
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: But again, I know it's not right.

726
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: There was there was one clue that was a house, right,

727
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,760
and I thought on modern baseball, sorry, not moder baseball,

728
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,039
American football. I was like, okay, the house American football, easy, right, they've.

729
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: Done it quite recently. Is anything why I didn't go

730
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,000
to them?

731
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: Sure, I didn't record it, but it was like house

732
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,960
American football. I didn't think about AFI. And then someone

733
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,320
pointed out that the house was glowing from the inside,

734
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:03,000
as if there was a fire inside, and I did.

735
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,639
Speaker 5: Like her, Oh, man, I think you guys are onto something.

736
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,639
So I didn't delude myself into thinking it was AFI

737
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,400
from the jump. Someone else convinced me, and then I again,

738
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,199
we don't know exactly what clues were what I think

739
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,679
those You know again, the two thousand three guys will

740
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,719
explain it, probably pretty shortly after this podcast comes out,

741
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,920
but someone has said that it's probably alluding to Paris

742
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,000
have a song that's about like burning something down, and

743
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,760
they've got another song about a house, and I don't know,

744
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,719
being fooled into thinking it's a fire inside and then

745
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,440
that particular clue turning out to be a Paris song

746
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,400
is the biggest swindle the whole time, where it's like, oh,

747
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,519
you've okay, so the only problem is again not even

748
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,280
their fault, but they supplied us with clues that then

749
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,800
given us more reason to like get ahead of ourselves

750
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,119
than I actually was already.

751
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,639
Speaker 1: But what they have is a really good bunch. Alex

752
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,480
on Fire in particular for me is like I said,

753
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:00,960
just one of the like three, or for Dream headliners

754
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,840
that would be like, Okay, I've got to really think

755
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,159
about going back to the trees. So for a first

756
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,800
batch which contains Side among the bill, it is looking good. Yeah.

757
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm one hundred percent in on this one.

758
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: Yes, elsewhere moving on, I guess again, we've got to

759
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,960
try and cover this very very quickly because we do

760
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,199
have lots of album reviews and stuff to do. But

761
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,000
we got the news that Warp Tour was going to

762
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,800
be returning to the US, returning in a kind of

763
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,599
you know, a minimized four where I guess it is

764
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,559
technically a tour in the sense that there is more

765
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,119
than one date. There is a few dates around different

766
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:35,800
parts of the US, but it's now more of a

767
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,960
destination festival type event and it is a lot more

768
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,199
expensive than it once was. Just very quickly, Sam, can

769
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,639
you kind of gauge what the feeling is on the

770
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:46,519
return of Warp Tour.

771
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people when they saw those

772
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,119
announced were like, oh, it's not gonna be the same,

773
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,880
and then that like, but some people are so excited,

774
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,280
and then it felt like that dissipated so quickly when

775
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,639
everyone was like, it's free dates, it's one hundred and

776
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,920
fifty quid when Walktor used to be quid, and everyone's

777
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,880
kind of like, it's just probably gonna be a lesser

778
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,599
version of when we were young. It's gonna book a

779
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,559
lot of the same bands as that, without the real,

780
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,159
the real big names that on when we were young.

781
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,280
It's gonna just like everyone's kind of just expecting a

782
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,760
We the Kings, Boys, Like Girls, and a bunch of

783
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,800
those metalcore bands that no one cares abouty Moore kind

784
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,679
of being trotted out onto stages.

785
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 3: But maybe they'll surprise us.

786
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

787
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,199
Speaker 1: Not even going to comment on the quality of the

788
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:26,960
bill here, but I do think the idea that it

789
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,840
returns as a destination festival, I said, even if it

790
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,599
is in three different corners of the US, which is

791
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,800
a big fucking country, so they're still like thousands of

792
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,000
miles apart from each other. It's like having oh yeah,

793
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,880
we've got a date in Slovenia and one in Scotland

794
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,800
and one in Moscow. There we go. It's a but

795
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,679
it being a destination festival and a lot more expensive

796
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,119
as a festival would be, does put it in like

797
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,079
direct competition with like When We Were Young and it's

798
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,039
it's the same niche, whereas it being the you know,

799
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,119
cheaper traveling lots of around the country tour is kind

800
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:06,360
of what part, you know, Whereas now it's like, okay,

801
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,679
we've got two when We're Young's and one is less

802
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,840
expensive and therefore probably gonna have a smaller bill. But

803
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,519
you know, eyes open see what they do. But it

804
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,920
is like, yeah, it's not quite warp. Let's jump into

805
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,280
just a whole bunch of big UK and European tours.

806
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,760
So we've got to announce let's run through them. The

807
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000
big one perhaps is not Loose. I announced that they

808
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,639
are going to be coming to the UK are as,

809
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,920
you know, touring their their new record and the bill

810
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,639
is Basement, Harm's Way and Pest Control beneath them. They're

811
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,599
playing London and Manchester in the UK. There is a

812
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,320
few other dates scattered across Europe as well that is

813
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,559
a big bill if you like your you know, particularly

814
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,320
hardcore feel kind of bit of alternative rock in there

815
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000
as well with with Basement, and that is seriously tempting indeed,

816
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,719
and obviously big venues. Big venues are not loose as well.

817
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,119
We then move on to something I'm very excited about.

818
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:57,199
Partway Drive have been doing in Australia recently. They're kind

819
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,519
of twentieth anniversary as a band tour that if you've

820
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,760
seen the videos of the production and stuff from it

821
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,519
is clearly like the biggest you know, Partway Drive show

822
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,920
that they have done to date, and they've announced that

823
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,880
they are going to be bringing that to Europe and

824
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,639
the UK next year as well. It's quite a while away,

825
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,840
it's you know, October of next year that they're coming

826
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
to the UK. But I haven't actually seen Parkway Drive

827
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,199
since twenty sixteen on the first tour for Ayre, so

828
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,079
I've been wanted them for a long time, you know again,

829
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,519
and this certainly seems like the time to do it.

830
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,119
And the bill they are bringing along is a all

831
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,239
Australian bill where you can watch the Vieri's Murder, absolutely

832
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,920
eat up the Anke Affliction. Then limp Biscuits have announced

833
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,360
a UK full headlining arena tour, which I think think

834
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,880
is the first one of those they've done in a

835
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
little while. They're doing five dates across the UK and Ireland.

836
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,400
The tickets are also about ninety pounds, which I'm not

837
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239
surprised by because that's what tickets are these days, but

838
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,360
I think a lot of people like ninety pounds. Olymp Biscuit,

839
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,760
bit of a shock. Baby Metal are also doing a

840
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:01,079
European big arena tour. They're playing the two in London,

841
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,119
so they're kind of bringing up them kind of up

842
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,639
to that level there, and their special guests coming along

843
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,920
with them are Poppy and Bambi Thug then complete other

844
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,639
ends of the spectrum, but I guess this is the

845
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:15,079
one that I've kind of had to figure out. Tribulation,

846
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,320
who have got their new album coming out in a

847
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,000
couple of weeks, will be reviewing it on the next

848
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:23,159
review show. They have anounced a European headline tour. I

849
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:26,559
am not convinced that Tribulation have ever done a headline

850
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,559
tour in the UK, Like I don't remember whenever happening,

851
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,519
and I've been a fan for a fair or while

852
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,519
and like every cycle they've come through on a support

853
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:38,639
bill or playing a festival or something. I've never seen

854
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,039
them headline in the UK, and I've been wanting to

855
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,480
for years and years. So I was like, ah, yes,

856
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,960
brilliant finally, but the routing of it is really weird.

857
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,320
This is entirely my problem. I'm not saying that this

858
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,320
is a like, I can't believe you didn't account for this.

859
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,000
The day that they are playing near me, I'm seeing

860
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,679
Hivitz in Liverpool. I understand that that's a me clash.

861
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,400
Mostriblation fans. Aren't we be thinking about that? So I

862
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,400
was like, okay, I don't want to miss high Vis.

863
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,000
Let's see where else I could go in the UK

864
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,039
for this Tribulation thing. I looked at Glasgow. I was like,

865
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:07,960
maybe I see my good pal Mark and we can

866
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,880
go see Tribulation. The night that Tribulation played Glasgow is

867
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,719
the same night as the Green Lungon unto others show

868
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,559
even Glasgow, and that is a circular ven diagram. That's

869
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,559
the same fucking crowd. Like, I think I'm gonna end

870
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:25,880
up going to like Birmingham or Leicester or something like,

871
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,280
I think I'm going to try and go to Leicester

872
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,480
to see Tribulation of all places. But if I was

873
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,840
if I lived in Glasgow and I again was a

874
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,519
spooky character and fucking unto others on that Green Lung

875
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,960
tour and Tribulation played the same night in different spots,

876
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,039
I would be livid. I would set myself on fire

877
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:48,280
in protest. I'd be so angry about it. That's fucking bananas.

878
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,079
I bet like Gaye from unto others is going to

879
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,320
be fucking livid that Tribulation are playing in the same

880
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,679
cities and you can't go. But if you want to

881
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,039
see Tribulation, there are various spots around the UK and

882
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:02,800
Europe which you can do. Ozzy Osborne was inducted into

883
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,119
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He did not perform,

884
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,039
but there was a little tribute kind of medley performance

885
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,320
where you could see man James Keenham singing Crazy Train,

886
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,559
followed by Jelly Roll, who is I'm not convinced a

887
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:17,400
real person.

888
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: That is crops from wrestling too much. I know too

889
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,039
much about Jilly Roll because his appearances in wrestling.

890
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: That's a Muppets character. I don't know who that is.

891
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,159
A Billie Idle also as well handful of new songs

892
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,760
just to kind of name drop and let you know

893
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,440
that those are out and exist. Holy Blade in particular,

894
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:35,719
when I kind of mentioned because this is the band

895
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,079
featuring your members of Twitching Tongues who put out that

896
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,840
really great kind of early AFI style EP a couple

897
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,519
of months ago. If you heard that, like I want

898
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:46,000
more of this. They released another new song kind of

899
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,159
in conjunction and had the credits song for the new

900
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,480
VHS movie VHS Beyond, which was on shudder best part

901
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:53,960
of the movie. Yeah, I mean I like that because

902
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,480
there was the other one she had, like the Danzig

903
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:57,400
drop at the end, and I like that. The VHS

904
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,599
franchise is weirdly starting to kind of embrace like having

905
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,400
like cool rock needle drops and stuff and have like

906
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,119
an original song from a kind of cool underground punk band.

907
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: Is well because they have one of their songs is

908
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,039
used in one of the shorts as well.

909
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:12,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, briefly, but it's now also like on streaming and

910
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,280
everything as well, so if you want a rock it

911
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,239
does as another great track, very much in line with

912
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,000
those ones that you've heard, So go and check out that.

913
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,840
Ecelin Kills also had a song in conjunction with the

914
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,960
horror movie Theirs was with Terrifier three, although again I've

915
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,599
seen Terrifier three and I don't remember it playing in

916
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,519
the end credits. I think they've just kind of made

917
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,239
a music video with it, with Art the Cleon in

918
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,800
it and the big like insane, garish breakdown from this

919
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,559
kind of took over my Twitter timeline for a few

920
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,320
days of people being like what does fuck is this?

921
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,159
This sounds so terrible, and like, yeah, it's it's a

922
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,280
bit annoying. It's kind of at them at their most

923
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,119
most ridiculous. I don't think sane. I don't think that

924
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,280
this song is one of their their great songs. But

925
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,599
I also think a completely out of context, chopped up,

926
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,800
most insane bit of the song is not quite reflective

927
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,519
of what it all is. And Cradler Filth have dropped

928
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:03,320
a song called Malignant Perfection, which is a Halloween single

929
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,119
for the season. I guess it's about time that they

930
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,320
did that. I don't know if they've ventured in that

931
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,280
direction before, and it's one of their Gothia songs. Of like,

932
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,880
I think a lot of the recent trailer philm songs

933
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,320
have kind of lent more in the kind of you know,

934
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,440
big dual guitar iron made in type direction. But this

935
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,159
is then going full like from the crailer to enslave,

936
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,079
sort of Saffron's Curse style, you know, not quite as

937
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,320
good as those. I don' think it's one of their

938
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,639
best recent singles, but you know it's very decent. And

939
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,000
that is out for the season. And finally we can

940
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,320
close up this news by dropping the quote of the

941
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,639
week which come from Nicky six who said about the

942
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,880
matter of letting Mick Mars go from the band if

943
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,920
one of your guys can't play anymore, they bring in

944
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,880
another guy forgetting that he is in a band fronted

945
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,719
by Vince Neil. Let's move on to the meat of

946
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,000
this episode, which is the album reviews. And we did

947
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,639
a reviews episode from the end of September, myself and Elliott.

948
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,239
We had a couple of really big winners in that batch,

949
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,119
but there were several albums there that we were clocking

950
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:58,440
in on that were kind of, you know, being positioned

951
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,639
at certain levels within the scene or whatever, having kind

952
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,000
of certain levels of acclaim. We were a little bit

953
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,239
let down and a bit underwhelmed by some of them

954
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,320
these albums we are coming back swinging. This is the

955
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
lot from different corners of alternative music as well. We

956
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,840
have some ingenious, massively exciting records from all over, and

957
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
it feels really good to be saying that about a

958
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,320
bunch where none of these bands go back earlier than

959
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,000
the two thousands. I think the oldest debut album from

960
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:27,000
one of these bands today is two thousand and nine.

961
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,119
This is a very current batch of albums, and we

962
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,159
have a whole bunch of what you could describe as

963
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,320
some of the very best bands in the world today

964
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,239
making some of the albums of the year that we

965
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,960
are going to talk about now. And I feel that

966
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,480
is very reflected in that we get to start our

967
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,880
lead review not with some you know, kind of very

968
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,239
established older arena band, but with an album like Absolute

969
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,320
Elsewhere by Blood Incantation. Blood and Cantation have been the

970
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,880
lynchpin band within the death metal explosion of the last

971
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,400
ten years. There are up, you know, several kind of

972
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,679
key and important bands in that story, but I don't

973
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,079
think many people would disagree that Blood and Caantation have

974
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:05,679
long seemed like the real creative leaders within that scene.

975
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,159
Like if you were going to pin a genuine visionary

976
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,000
band within that generation, and people certainly won't be disagree

977
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,440
with that. After this album. We have, for example, done

978
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,039
an album club on their debut album, Starsborn. You know,

979
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,519
in the time between this album the last one dropping,

980
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,519
wherein we spoke about like what a role it played

981
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,400
in kind of ushering in something of a new era

982
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,199
in underground death metal that we are now still currently in.

983
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,840
And now I think you would have to say that

984
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,559
that is their most rudimentary album somehow. If on Starsborn

985
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:40,840
they were making waves primarily within the underground death metal scene,

986
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,280
with every subsequent release those waves have started to move

987
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,119
out of just that underground scene. You know, We're twenty

988
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:49,920
nineteen's Hidden History of the Human Race to the point

989
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,159
that now with absolute elsewhere, there will be no question

990
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
that this is our lead review this month. This is

991
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,000
their third studio full length album after the two aforementioned,

992
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,360
but certainly not their third key release, and they have

993
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,199
spent the five years between Hidden History and this one

994
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,039
kind of grease in the wheels by like spending time

995
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,480
on a few more left field experimental releases, most notably

996
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,760
perhaps we had the Time Wave zero mini album, Slash

997
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,719
EP whatever they want to say.

998
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: As I said, does that count an EP?

999
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing that saw them create their full

1000
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,679
you know, synth Cosmish release for the first time. And

1001
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,639
then following that we had the two track Luminescent Bridge

1002
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,079
EP from last year, which I think maybe now is

1003
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:33,440
kind of meant to serve as like a bit of

1004
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,880
a bridge into this album, bringing various ideas together into

1005
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,880
some surprisingly melodic and spacious epic metal pieces. There is

1006
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:46,440
no question really when you think about it, that this

1007
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:50,400
was the most anticipated metal release of twenty twenty four.

1008
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean you quite in the underground or

1009
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,119
not like in the massive.

1010
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: Mainstream, but for people who know and who are into

1011
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,440
all beyond your most obvious surface of stuff. Yeah, this

1012
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,079
has kind of been the album that had all the

1013
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,159
bars going into it.

1014
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 4: I think it at least had what's going to happen

1015
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,920
quality to it, And there's enough people now who are

1016
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:18,159
interested in extreme music and what can be done with

1017
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,679
it and blooding hntation, like you say, Puren being the

1018
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,760
benchmark of that for close to a decade now and

1019
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,039
going into this record, particularly with Time Wave Zero, which

1020
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,239
I know it alienated to some people, but I think

1021
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,199
almost everyone could agree it was an impressive thing for

1022
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,559
them to do, and the prospect of them folding that

1023
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,119
into the death met and going even further. It was

1024
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,400
the first time, certainly for me in a while, where

1025
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,440
I was curious to see what could be done with

1026
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,719
death mel if that makes sense, and I believe that

1027
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,559
a band could do something genuinely new with it.

1028
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, maybe we all have records that

1029
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,000
we were personally like looking forward to or whatever, but

1030
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,400
I don't think there is a band who had been

1031
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,719
put in the kind of position where the entire I

1032
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,280
think the entire metal scene, like from the underground primarily

1033
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,280
of course, but at this stage down from the top

1034
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,079
as well. Like people who don't even usually listen to

1035
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,599
tons of underground death metal, A lot of people were

1036
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,480
waiting to see what they would do next, particularly after again,

1037
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,519
like hearing A History of Human Race was like boundary

1038
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,440
pushing enough and kind of had that kind of effect,

1039
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,000
you know, a four track progressive death metal album that

1040
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,079
really began to crack open the possibilities of what they

1041
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,639
could be doing with different textures, different types of song.

1042
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,119
Following that up with releases like Timewave zero and Luminescent Bridge,

1043
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,880
which kind of promised like, these are the things we're

1044
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,760
going to be playing with. That's introduce you to some

1045
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,119
of the tools. Whatever comes next after Hidden History is

1046
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,599
like just being again teased with these things. We've had

1047
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,159
a sense, I think for a couple of years now

1048
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,559
that this Blood Incantation album would be a big one

1049
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,159
for them. Album three would be like if it all

1050
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:56,519
came together and they pulled it off, a landmark for them,

1051
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,159
And it's not really a spoiler to say that, Like

1052
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,840
with absolutely elsewhere, I think we've now entered this like

1053
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,360
different era for the band where this is kind of

1054
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,039
a capstone. If everything prior to this, the first decade

1055
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,599
of the band was then you know, crawling out the

1056
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,280
underground the way they have and pulling those different threads together,

1057
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,159
this is now like the bold new frontier.

1058
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, this album is a monol If this

1059
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,800
is like one of those albums that is gonna just

1060
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,480
stand any test of time, and it does you like

1061
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,840
take the band to an entirely new place.

1062
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,599
Speaker 3: Where you can't really go back from.

1063
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: I guess because it's so it's so advanced on well,

1064
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,239
I mean, you know this has come from the you know,

1065
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,519
the not prog person. This album had kind of like

1066
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:41,480
just had my draw on the floor for a lot

1067
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:45,320
of it. This is like an absolute like beast of

1068
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,159
Now that is so like trying to process. Like I

1069
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,960
loved that two Mode album from last year. What's album

1070
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,039
was really kind of like vast and epic and space

1071
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,719
like space and all that, and that feels tiny in

1072
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,280
comparison to what Blood in Contation have done here.

1073
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,599
Speaker 3: This is, like yaid, this is one of those I like,

1074
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,199
I don't know, like a ganger drum.

1075
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: But it feels like they, like I said, they can't

1076
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,480
go back to just being a death metal band anymore.

1077
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: Well, the signs were promising beforehand, like that album cover,

1078
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,800
the title in that font and everything, the fact it

1079
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,199
was two songs just called the Stargate and the Message,

1080
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,800
and my favorite thing, the parts not being labeled parts

1081
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,239
but tablets, tablets. You just go, this is gonna be

1082
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,280
like I mean, whatever it is. I mean, And you know,

1083
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,920
we're reviewing this three weeks after it came out, and

1084
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,280
I heard it the day of release, and I kind

1085
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,559
of feel frustrated that we couldn't have got to it

1086
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,480
sooner because I could say, well, I feel like what

1087
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,079
we're going to say today, I could have said the

1088
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:43,920
second I finished listening to it for the first time,

1089
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,719
this album is a classic already.

1090
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it is.

1091
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: And sometimes I first heard this when I was flying

1092
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,559
through the sky back from the fan, so it felt

1093
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,079
like I was I was up in space with them

1094
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:57,440
in a way.

1095
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is a classic, Karen.

1096
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,159
Speaker 4: It's just sometimes, you know, like the first time I

1097
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,320
heard Forever, I didn't need to be told. I just

1098
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,599
you didn't need to wait. Or I imagine when Levia

1099
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,639
Thing came out in two thousand and four and it

1100
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,039
was just immediately a classic. It was a classic by

1101
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,159
the time I came to know only a few years later.

1102
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,880
I can't maybe not since Forever.

1103
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying.

1104
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: I'm struggling to think off the top of my head.

1105
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,239
The last time I heard a record where the second ended,

1106
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,760
I just thought, well, that's that's one for the history books.

1107
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,320
And there's been albums, you know, I've loved the Cross

1108
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,440
doing this show and in the year's proceeding, but there

1109
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,639
was just something inarguable about this record. Even if it's

1110
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:42,719
not your favorite style of music, it's a monolith. You're just, yeah,

1111
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000
what do you, what do you have to say about it?

1112
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a fans dream. In terms of again,

1113
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,000
we've been kind of willing blending Hantation to pull everything

1114
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
together the way they haven't and hit something like this,

1115
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,760
but stripping back what it is because of that is

1116
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,639
like more daunting than anything that Black Antations have done before.

1117
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,920
As you say, you know, two twenty minute songs on streaming,

1118
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,440
they are separated into like three labeled segments each, which

1119
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,119
is almost kind of annoying to me because you're never

1120
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,920
going to listen to them, like you know, without thinking

1121
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,079
of them as the stargate and the message clear as day,

1122
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Side ay and side B, two flowing pieces of music.

1123
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,239
Within those two songs, you have the most essential piece

1124
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,880
of progressive death metal since what Opes Heyday? Yeah.

1125
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: Probably I'm not in the X one on this bio.

1126
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I don't think of like progressive death

1127
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,000
metal bands like you probably would say Opeth.

1128
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's been records I liked in

1129
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,239
that style a great deal. But in terms of as

1130
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880
you say that that classic quality you're talking about, you're

1131
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,719
going back to the great Opath records that we all

1132
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,800
kind of talk about. In that capacity, and you know,

1133
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,360
there are there are times on this album where you

1134
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,599
could be fooled into thinking you're not, you know, listening

1135
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,000
to a death metal record. Obviously it is still a

1136
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,159
death metal album. That is the root foundation. But I

1137
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,000
think similarly to again, records like Blackwater Park or Ghost

1138
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,880
Reveries or you know again what Mastered On were to

1139
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,719
their starting point being sludge on, like Crack the Sky

1140
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,159
or Blood Mountain. It is just a like essential progressive

1141
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,519
record which uses like metal kind of you know, casing

1142
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,599
and aesthetics, but just again to cut straight to the

1143
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:26,079
kind of reception of it, you are seeing so many

1144
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,800
people get into this who aren't dedicated death metal heads

1145
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,079
in the same way of those bands we're kind of

1146
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:35,360
mentioning in regards to their respective scenes. The umbrella is

1147
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,079
larger than that, and I think the fundamental distinction is

1148
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,719
that we haven't had a shortage of like progressively minded

1149
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,960
death metal of like you know, we have like tons

1150
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,559
of bands who are extremely skilled musicians, extremely skilled arrangers.

1151
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,880
There has not been another record though, that has like

1152
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:56,679
so wholly sold itself to that progressive ideal of like

1153
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,880
going up the River right to that like Heart of

1154
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,360
the darkness of classic progressive rock like and again again.

1155
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,320
Blount Contation's earlier records are kind of the sort of

1156
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,039
bands we're talking about where they inflect their death metal

1157
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,880
with prog touches, but this has gone beyond that, inter

1158
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,159
being like a truly wholehearted prog record, where the reference

1159
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,119
and comparison points for this are as much like Pink

1160
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,719
Floyd and Yes and Rush and like obviously the kind

1161
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,320
of the.

1162
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: Death war of the world like one.

1163
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,679
Speaker 2: Like I thought this had just as much in corn

1164
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,840
with that as some of the other like death metal things.

1165
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, the crowd rock cosniche bands that will reference

1166
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,159
to going further because they pop up, but like, you know,

1167
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,000
as much as they are anything death metal and the

1168
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,480
tools it uses and the energies that kind of invokes

1169
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,199
are often death metal, but the actual kind of structure

1170
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,719
of it all, and the bigger picture is like one

1171
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,719
prog and I think it's it's a prog album for

1172
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,119
people who can stomach the intensity of death metal and

1173
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,159
not the you know inverse of that, which is what

1174
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,199
most technical death metal records are. And like I say,

1175
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,199
that is what brings the similarity to like record like

1176
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,840
classic opeth ones and bland contation. Not again, they're traveling

1177
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,519
in that other direction of going like what if we

1178
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,360
use death metal as a tool to color the concept of.

1179
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 3: Progue rather than interesting, yeah, rather than vice versa.

1180
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,039
Speaker 1: I again, I got to send this record in advance

1181
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,280
for the couple first weeks I had this record. It

1182
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,320
coincided with I mentioned a while ago my album of

1183
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,320
the Year submissions for Metal Hammer being due almost as

1184
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,840
soon as this record was in my inbox. So I

1185
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,719
was frying my head with this, listening to it over

1186
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,760
and over again, like stressfully, so like multiple times a day,

1187
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,360
trying to like basically speed run it and like get

1188
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,000
to grips with it in record time. Now I have

1189
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,800
like settled down with it, you know, a bit, and

1190
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,719
I can view the bigger picture a little more naturally,

1191
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,880
and it is exquisite. Sam, I guess I want to

1192
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,239
ask again, you know, as if we're saying this record

1193
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,880
does reach out to a lot beyond just death metal,

1194
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,199
what was kind of again, your first impression, your experience

1195
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,880
with that in terms of like, you know, you've admired

1196
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,159
incantation in the past, but how do you feel about this?

1197
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,079
Speaker 2: Wellgan, I've got more and more insplooding contation over the

1198
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,280
last year or so again since we did the album Club,

1199
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,840
and I've just really just enjoyed those things. Like I

1200
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,199
didn't like Timeway zero was like, you know, an interesting experiment.

1201
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,079
I wasn't crazy about it, but I was like, I

1202
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,239
want to see how they fold that into the more

1203
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
typical sound. And then obviously I'd kind of heard the

1204
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,199
inklings of this being like a full on prog record.

1205
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:25,280
I was like, I was like, is this gonna be

1206
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,000
one that I'm gonna go, Well, I admire it, I

1207
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,679
don't like it because I was like, is the prog

1208
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,960
gonna get in the way of like like the progressive

1209
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,519
deam Mount stuff. I've really got into it again, Like,

1210
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:35,559
you know, I love that two old record, but were

1211
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,719
them going full on you know, flutes.

1212
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,119
Speaker 3: And all that nonsense prog? Was that going to be

1213
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:42,000
a distraction to me?

1214
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,679
Speaker 2: I think I was just so immediately swept up in

1215
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,760
how wholly realized the entire vision is every single detail

1216
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,119
is like perfectly placed and executed, and it does go

1217
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:58,639
off into some wild directions, but it never disappears off

1218
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,039
off up its own ass and get to like boring

1219
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,079
prog wanky as I was that Forray, it's so always moving,

1220
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,079
always trying to make corn interesting. And again, if you are,

1221
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,519
you know, going in and there's a parriin solo for

1222
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,519
however long, they're still going to follow that with just

1223
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:18,000
this insane cinematic like technical death metal guitar soloward just

1224
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,199
this sledgehammer riff. And it's again these two across these

1225
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,800
two sort of two tracks, like like if we're gonna

1226
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,679
like see how it actually is, there's so much to

1227
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,320
kind of constantly get bewildered by that. I never had

1228
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
time to get bored by them being like, oh, it's

1229
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,079
a prog bit where they're chanting.

1230
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,039
Speaker 3: I don't normally like this.

1231
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like I was just so

1232
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,280
locked in as to like fascinated as to where it's going.

1233
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,519
Speaker 1: To go next. Yeah, and that is the non prog

1234
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:46,320
fan of us, you know, if you are inclined towards

1235
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,559
this kind of you know, long worm progressive music. Yeah,

1236
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:53,639
The Stargate and The Message. The Stargate they released as

1237
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,320
like one big long advanced track before the album within

1238
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,559
the companying like kind of really long music video and everything,

1239
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,159
and people like, WHOA, what's this? Now? You know you

1240
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:03,559
can arguement yourselves which track you prefer, but it might

1241
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:06,079
actually seem like the more kind of introductory piece of

1242
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:09,760
the two somehow, and I guess you know it. It

1243
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,280
opens at peak death metal like the first little you

1244
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,400
know sprint of the album, the blood incantation that you

1245
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:23,400
know is flying at you at peak velocity. It is

1246
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,920
a little bit more sattin than that, like the weird

1247
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,719
like this bizarre kind of bubbling sounds of the intro,

1248
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,320
but it is a tremendous piece of death metal, like

1249
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,360
the way it keeps kind of hitting new inclines over

1250
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,079
that first minute or so of like each new embellishment

1251
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,199
they had out onto that making like you know, four

1252
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,599
piece metal band seemed like a monster, like just the

1253
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,559
best you know, morbid angel style death metal riffs of

1254
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,039
the year, like coming out of that intro, and then,

1255
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,280
just as you are accustomed, basically dead on two minutes

1256
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,719
into the track switches into a instrumental prog piece, And

1257
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,719
that is where I'm sure everyone a first listen went, oh.

1258
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: Like, I didn't think they would go like again.

1259
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: I thought there would be you know, like exal bits,

1260
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,119
but I didn't think it would go full on seventy

1261
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,320
space prog instrumental after.

1262
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: Fucking galloping at you like that to be enp with. Yeah,

1263
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,719
I couldn't stop smiling when that happened. But I'm very

1264
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,800
inclined to this sort of woozy prog cosmic progue anyway,

1265
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:25,159
exactly like you said, with that death metal building, building building,

1266
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:27,360
and you're just waiting for it to explode and then

1267
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,039
instead just abandoning it two minutes in and going in

1268
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:35,320
some red and starless Bible black era King Crimson jam

1269
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,880
and the thing I think makes it not the thing

1270
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,639
that makes us record special. But one of the things

1271
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,199
is they don't just play with prog. They don't just

1272
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,360
have the boldness to try it and weave it into

1273
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,079
their style of music. They're so good at it, and

1274
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,920
I know we kind of knew that before, but there

1275
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,480
are so many bands active now and all they do

1276
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:00,000
is this kind of prog like they spend careers trying

1277
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,360
to catch up to King Crimson and Blood Incantation the

1278
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,920
death metal band are better than them.

1279
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:09,719
Speaker 3: All of them does feel really effortless.

1280
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,599
Speaker 1: It is, it's just like those big cord organs, like

1281
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:17,039
accenting the riff and like a space move. It's just

1282
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:20,239
again it's not just wild for a death metal band,

1283
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:26,280
that the quality level even by prime prog standards, it's

1284
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:27,880
well for lack of a better so such as it's

1285
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,840
it's out of this world, yeah, and that that it's

1286
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,519
so offsetting at first, but now it's like the most

1287
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,960
natural thing to me that switched into that like sort

1288
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,599
of waltz tempo, the graduate or like furthered introduction of

1289
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,800
new you know, synth layers and stuff. When the organ

1290
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:47,280
starts swaying, it's like, oh, blissful, and you know that

1291
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,320
portion continues on for longer than that opening death metal

1292
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,320
kind of bursted, but it brings in just as many

1293
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,719
like incredible sound details. I am blown away. I just

1294
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:57,440
want to mention it because I have, like you know,

1295
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,320
most reviews I've read of this album, I haven't seen

1296
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,920
him his name brought, which is understandable because there's so

1297
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,559
much talk about on this album. But production credit for

1298
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,840
Arthur Rizzick on this album, and we have spoken a

1299
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,000
lot about you know, which producers out there have proven

1300
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,039
themselves to be a bit more one trick in terms

1301
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:15,239
of the kind of heavy music they put their hands on,

1302
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,559
and which have proven themselves to be more malleable and

1303
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,039
can approach different things. Arthur Rizzik is the fucking crossover

1304
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,199
thrash like hardcore heavy metal guy, and here he is

1305
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:26,280
working with a band who Yeah, again he's worked with

1306
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,639
them before, sure, but the fact that he's like continuing

1307
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:31,719
on with them as they do this, like they've not

1308
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,280
gone oh okay with outgrown that now. And his capabilities

1309
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,360
and what he can do for us when you consider

1310
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,079
the amount of new moving parts and textures that this

1311
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:42,639
has to include a great testament to his abilities in

1312
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,039
the studio. I think I just want to give him

1313
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:48,519
his flowers in that regard. Yeah, texturally this thing is scrumptious,

1314
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:50,800
you know, like I'm skipping ahead, but you know, some

1315
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,280
of the melotrons and like acoustic guitar passages that come

1316
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,039
in in like Stargate Tablet three, like just around really

1317
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,199
heavy stuff, but it never feels kind of imbalanced or overwhelmed.

1318
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,360
Back to the beginning portion of the record, when that

1319
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:07,039
full Spaceman synth melody like takes over on the four

1320
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,840
minute mark, I am like flying. You get your first

1321
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,400
but certainly not last, kind of big Gilmore moment in

1322
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,239
the guitar solo, which then picks up the baton from that.

1323
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: That guitar shallow is incredible, Like that is such a

1324
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,320
like cinematic kind of like widescreen epic guitar. So that again,

1325
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,679
like that's when I'm final for like the weird Spaceman

1326
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,119
simp suff it seamlessly kind of leads into that guitar

1327
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:30,559
so which had like picks up the baton, and it

1328
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:32,960
just sounds the most glorious thing you've ever heard.

1329
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at this stage you are five minutes total

1330
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:37,679
into the record and you are thinking, fuck, like I've

1331
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,320
had the best death metal and the best like out

1332
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:46,519
and out soulful prog rock that I can imagine already.

1333
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: It flies through it. It never spends like way too

1334
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:49,760
long on anything.

1335
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: I think. That's again what makes it work for me

1336
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,519
is again it's it's not like it's not long album.

1337
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,760
It's like forty minutes, like forty two forty three minutes.

1338
01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:59,679
It's just two very long piece of music. But they

1339
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,559
do so much in that time, and they fly through

1340
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,000
their ideas, but everything still feels fleshed out. Nothing feels

1341
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,079
kind of like just thrown in there or tacked on.

1342
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,559
So you get enough of everything, but you don't get

1343
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,719
too much where I would find myself look kind of

1344
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,880
like rolling my eyes at how long the prog passages

1345
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,880
might drag on for I think there is like an

1346
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,480
incredible amount of like kind of like pacing in control

1347
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:19,400
with this record that.

1348
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: It just it's such a constantly enjoyable experience.

1349
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:25,559
Speaker 1: And just blending the two things.

1350
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,559
Speaker 4: In the first five minutes, it's like the band is

1351
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:30,760
making a promise to you where it goes like, look

1352
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,599
at the track times. Already five minutes in, Look what

1353
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:35,320
you've got. There's gonna be a lot more of this

1354
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,199
to come. I did wonder when I saw before we

1355
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800
heard the Stargate if there'd be one really death metal

1356
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,960
song and one really prog song. I almost suspected that,

1357
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,079
and it was a real comfort to know that they'd

1358
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,400
be weaving between those two things.

1359
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:49,639
Speaker 1: And again interesting in that yeah, way more interesting.

1360
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: And you know, we had a Winter Sun album this year,

1361
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,960
and if they were to do a top five Guitar

1362
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,039
Solos of the Year, I don't think they'd get in

1363
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:00,599
anymore because there's a chance all of them on this

1364
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,519
Blood Cantation and every time anyone comes in, you go,

1365
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,440
that's the new best one. Oh, no, No, that's the

1366
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,039
new best one, that's the new like this one at

1367
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:10,679
the beginning of Tablet one. It's not the best bit

1368
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:13,079
on the record, the best guitar lead on the record,

1369
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,079
But when I first heard, I thought, that's guitar solo

1370
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:15,440
of the year.

1371
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: And the flip side of that, the moments that pack

1372
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:23,280
the punch of terror. You know that, you know, a

1373
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,320
more straightforward prog rock band might not lean into the

1374
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,000
seamless way it builds back into the death metal like

1375
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,480
I think that section alone goes some way, I think

1376
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:34,880
to addressing any criticism about kind of like you know

1377
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:36,599
what we sometimes say about band, like, oh, they've just

1378
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:38,480
kind of popped two things together and they've not thought

1379
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,800
of how the one interacts with the other. Like listen

1380
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,360
to the kind of about the five to seven minute

1381
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,000
mark of the Stargate and the transition as it goes

1382
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,119
out of that and builds back into the other one

1383
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:52,079
is immaculately done. And when it hits that like, Okay,

1384
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,599
we're through that particular tunnel, we're back on the top

1385
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:58,760
of the mountain. And Paul sounds like positively demonic uttering

1386
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,639
that all life is ten temporary, what lasts is consciousness

1387
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,400
in a like completely inhuman Yeah, also quite decipherable way.

1388
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,559
It sounds like it's like, you know, you're having the

1389
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:11,719
tablet handed down to you by some terrible divine being,

1390
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,519
and it's given real melodic shape as well. By there's

1391
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:17,239
a synth part in the background, which for me is

1392
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,519
like the underrated weapon in this broth. Like obviously it's

1393
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:21,800
it's so self evident when they have like, you know,

1394
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,840
they've got a guy from Tangerine Dream like on the

1395
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,880
next passage of the album and stuff, the cosme stuff

1396
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,119
kind of speaks for itself. But I know that, you know,

1397
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,000
Isaac from this band, for example, is a complete Emperor head.

1398
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:33,079
And there are a couple of moments on this album

1399
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:37,559
where they drop in these like massively epic melodic keys

1400
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,440
lines that sounds straight off of Anthems to the Welkin

1401
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,639
at Dusk, and that stuff, to me is so on

1402
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,599
my wavelength, like my soul is singing during that particular passage.

1403
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:49,480
And from there you have, I said, the full fucking

1404
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:53,480
blown Tangerine Dream section. The Timewhay zero EPA is a

1405
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,480
funny thing. I love it on its own terms, and

1406
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:59,719
I also immediately understood what it was for them and

1407
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,159
what the context of their band was not to say

1408
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,400
I'm better than you if you didn't understand that, but

1409
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,559
you know, it was obvious, like an opening of the

1410
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:11,679
door to something that they could add to their arsenal

1411
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:16,280
when they next did a full blown no Holes Barred album.

1412
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,760
There was no reason to ever be alienated by the

1413
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,840
time Waves er ip. There was no fucking chance in

1414
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,960
hell that blowing Antation were doing a twenty tens o

1415
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:25,400
Peth for example, and going oh, yeah, we're just a

1416
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,199
synth band now, like it was always from the zart.

1417
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:32,840
Clearly a passage to unlock something. And I'm hoping that

1418
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,599
anyone who you know commented or any bloing Hantation thing

1419
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,079
going oh, go back to death metal feels very very

1420
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,159
silly now because the way they've brought it in here,

1421
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,199
the atmosphere created, and what these add to the death

1422
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:50,000
metal tracks is astonishing. If you're interested in samples, The

1423
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:52,239
dialogue that you can hear in Tablet II of the

1424
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,280
Stargate movie I believe comes from the kind of shitty

1425
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,679
Italian B movie Alien Rifle Italian bee movie contamination, which

1426
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:02,480
is frankly hilarious because this is a degree of artistry.

1427
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,320
I never expected that film to be to be crazy with,

1428
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,079
but there it is. And then again, Tablet two is

1429
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,199
like a very essential bridging point between like the beginning

1430
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:17,760
of you know, the stargate hole and the end of it.

1431
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,079
You transition through that gate via clean guitars and flute

1432
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:25,199
like genuinely in that passage of the record. But again

1433
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:30,159
it builds back into the death metal and that the

1434
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:34,199
point when like the riff starts crunching on the same

1435
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,079
rhythm that they've already set up with the synth part

1436
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:42,479
in Tablet two is so heavy and hypnotic at that point,

1437
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,560
and then Tabot three instantaneously fucking wallops you like gorguts

1438
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,680
would like, which is again that particularly the exact same

1439
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,560
trick that they've been employing since Darsborn. But it's bananas

1440
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,840
hearing you arrive at that point the way you did here.

1441
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: I think this was the end of Tablet two where

1442
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,319
we got into you know, we had all this stuff

1443
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,880
and I was like, yeah, because they've got Tangarine dream.

1444
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 3: This is this is the kind of full.

1445
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: Realization of the time wave zero ideas cool, great, and

1446
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,359
then it went into the sort of full on seventies

1447
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:09,920
prog loving with the flutes and all that, and I

1448
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,239
was but I was like, I was.

1449
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 3: Kind of like, this is the one where I was

1450
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:13,439
a little bit weird.

1451
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this this where I kind of

1452
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,560
tap out, and then they hit you with that riff

1453
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,159
and it is one of the most disgustingly heavy moments

1454
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,279
in I was like, oh, no, that riff is disgustingly

1455
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,079
heavy because we had flutes just beforehand, and again I

1456
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:29,199
reassed how much everything compliments each other. And then again, yeah,

1457
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,760
you get this kind of like crushing doomy riff with

1458
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,920
like simp all that, and then Tabithy just mangles it

1459
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,159
even more so seamlessly, and it just kind of devastates you.

1460
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 3: When Tablet three hits, if.

1461
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:47,279
Speaker 4: You want to talk about repurposing slightly crude things. When

1462
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,960
Tablet three came in, I went, it's the exposure rift by.

1463
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: And then I forgot so then I went three minutes ago.

1464
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,000
I was listening to the Clangers, like that sort of

1465
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:06,439
nineteen sixties space ambience, which they just recreate perfectly, and

1466
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,760
like you say, within three minutes, they managed to bridge

1467
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,800
the gap between those two things in a way that

1468
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,880
sounds totally befitting. You can't imagine the songs coming together

1469
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,199
any other way. And then when the death.

1470
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 4: Metal takes off this part, like you say, Sam, it

1471
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,479
is so much more frightening and so much harder because

1472
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:29,439
the shock tactics are It's like there's no part of

1473
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,520
your brain that's prepared for that. We've had progressive death

1474
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,880
metal before, but not like this, not in like I

1475
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,359
can't think of many progressive death metal bands where it's

1476
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:40,159
actually frightening when they switch back in.

1477
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,079
Speaker 1: I mean, the cacophony of that whole you know, particular

1478
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:48,119
section erupting again again, that's sort of like cosmically ordained

1479
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:50,680
vocal beaming down at you again with a siphon my

1480
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,000
flesh through the stargate and it feels like you're, you know,

1481
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:56,159
fucking through the event horizon. And then in the middle

1482
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,720
they chuck Isaac's bongos and he just goes fucking metal

1483
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,920
onto like rapid fire. But again, the first time, I

1484
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,600
you know, watched that the you know, the video for

1485
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,119
the time they put out, and it's just suddenly this

1486
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:11,119
is like hysterical laughing, But like, how is that moment

1487
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:15,359
not I don't know, ridiculous, Like it doesn't actually pierce

1488
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,000
the mystical soul searching atmosphere of the death metal at all.

1489
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:24,520
It like only intensifies it. It has that sort of

1490
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,960
like charm and quality where you feel you're like, oh,

1491
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,600
I'm in a like the drum circle in a holy

1492
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,760
mountain or something. It's like it's it doesn't sound it

1493
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,840
might sound psychedelic and it might sound strange, but it

1494
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,279
doesn't sound daft. And I think it's with all the

1495
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:43,880
setup and all the stars to change you've had so

1496
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,920
far by that point in the song, you're just surrendered

1497
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,039
to it. Yeah, and Tabot three is fucking exhausting, Like

1498
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:54,439
it puts you through the ring so much. And then

1499
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,399
you know SIDEB of the album, the Message and if

1500
01:11:57,399 --> 01:12:00,000
the Stargate is like pushing you through that that metal

1501
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,680
forcle Gait, the Message is kind of like what awaits

1502
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,880
you on the other side. This song is extraordinary. It

1503
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,399
opens straight away again, you know, like hitting you so

1504
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,199
much melody and the guitar is pretty much.

1505
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:13,279
Speaker 2: The one of the best melodic riffs of the year.

1506
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:14,640
That opening riff on the Message.

1507
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the brightest like full on prog metal

1508
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:23,199
guitar chords that they've ever employed the absolute brutality that

1509
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:25,680
they've then transitioned in, you know, the kind of death

1510
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,239
met all that fucking like ties you to its back

1511
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:30,239
and just drives off, pulling you behind it the way

1512
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:32,399
that like morbid age or immolation would like. They are

1513
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,359
such a tier riffers in that realm all the while

1514
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,960
the detours into melody are like Shoulderner tier. And if

1515
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,159
you thought the first two tablets of the Stargate had

1516
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,880
you prepared in terms of left terns of where you

1517
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,119
can go from that tablet two of the Message is

1518
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:54,560
such a fully developed piece of music in itself that again,

1519
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,479
to quote you, Elliot in a conversation that we had,

1520
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,520
you know, off air, it's like having Prime pingk Floyd back.

1521
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 4: I this might sound a little dramatic, but when this

1522
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,760
bit came in and quoting you quoting me, and I

1523
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,600
realized it was like having prime Pink.

1524
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: Floyd back, it was weird.

1525
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 4: I found myself getting emotional because Pink Floyd are like

1526
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,840
one of the most important bands in my life, and

1527
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:20,439
they're so good at the thing they do, and no

1528
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,800
one else has been quite able to match it. That

1529
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,880
sort of progressive music that still connects on a huge stage.

1530
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,399
I mean Rush obviously super popular band, yes, very popular band,

1531
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,520
but there's something about Pink Floyd where they sold one

1532
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:39,000
hundred million records for a reason and they've not really

1533
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:45,199
been a going concern for decades. And then it's getting

1534
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:48,000
to hear what feels like a Pink Floyd song from

1535
01:13:48,319 --> 01:13:50,960
between Wish you Were Here in Animals that you'd never

1536
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:56,159
heard before. I my whole, all my critical faculties just

1537
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:58,399
shut off. It was like it was being beamed into

1538
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,039
my like like some sort of cosmic soul I didn't

1539
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:01,800
know I had.

1540
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you're almost like you can almost

1541
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,279
expect some of those Gilmoury type moments on guitar, like

1542
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:10,520
we having very spoiled when it comes to great soulful

1543
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,279
guitar players in metal, but as a whole, like you know,

1544
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,880
encompassing song here like this is something else because I

1545
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,920
mean again, the way it starts does make me laugh

1546
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,720
because it's just in a brilliant way because the little

1547
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,560
synth melody starts and very suddenly we're in the John

1548
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,319
Harrison score for Day of the Dead. Like it's just

1549
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:28,760
immediately place that takes me when it hits my ears.

1550
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,920
But moving from that kind of that's sort of like

1551
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,439
quite quite cookie, quite quirky sound.

1552
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 3: Those were like loose jazz kind of on the drums like.

1553
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: Widens, then into a like full blown prog rock ballad

1554
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:43,960
for a few minutes, and you have that kind of

1555
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:47,680
dusty kind of trailing behind drum beat, the Organs creating

1556
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,279
that text or backdrop, the singing like I don't know

1557
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:52,239
if that's Paul singing or another member of the band,

1558
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,399
but that voice, you know, reverberating in with the kind

1559
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:58,560
of can you hear them calling your name? Like it?

1560
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:00,279
It made like I'm not as big a p Deployd

1561
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:02,319
fan as you are, Elliott, but it made me feel

1562
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,079
like when I first heard Breathe, you know.

1563
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this will be this could just be off

1564
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,119
any kind of like dusty old prog record from the

1565
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,319
seventies with the Organs and those exact vocal melodies, and I.

1566
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: Was about prog this whole time.

1567
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 3: Do I actually quite like prog?

1568
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: Because again, and again I don't know if it's beause

1569
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,159
I'm just so locked in on the zone on this,

1570
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:26,520
but it just it sounded so like authentic and of

1571
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,800
the time that I was like this This is this

1572
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,279
is a track they've lifted from the sim like Bloody Condition,

1573
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,520
I have traveled back in time and like they've traveled

1574
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,880
through the stargate. They they are onlike their cosmic journey

1575
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,560
back to the seventies, where they've kind of just done

1576
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,119
the most authentic, like legitimate, genuine and again like I

1577
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:45,520
don't like this sort of stuff, but even though I'm

1578
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,119
just kind of like, I can't deny the impressment. And again,

1579
01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:52,359
this is another one where this Tablet to doing what

1580
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,600
it does leads to my favorite part of the entire record,

1581
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:58,239
which is the staff of Tablet free on this coming

1582
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:01,119
out of the back of it. Because that riff that

1583
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,600
comes out of like the end of this and to

1584
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,960
that I was gonna like, holy fucking shit, this is

1585
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,600
actually as good as like Metal gets when that riff hit.

1586
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,960
But and again, it's all that more brilliant because of

1587
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,319
the mental, full on frog extravaganza that you get on

1588
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:15,960
Tablet two.

1589
01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:19,279
Speaker 4: I love that they save that Pink Floyd style prog

1590
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,479
for the second song because the prog they referenced before

1591
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:24,880
I mentioned King Crimson, there's bits on it that sound

1592
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,079
like tales from topographications by yes, it's that kind of wackier,

1593
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,479
maybe a bit dorkier end of prog which speaks to me,

1594
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,319
but it almost feels like some kind of test maybe.

1595
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,199
And then when you get this song where you don't

1596
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:41,359
have to like prog to like that, you just have

1597
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:45,640
to be sort of oufa with emotionally driven music in

1598
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,439
the same way where Pick Foyd have loads of songs

1599
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,600
where people who wouldn't know a second prog band, you

1600
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,079
know what I mean, like they can still connect with

1601
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:56,199
it and that it almost feels like a reward. And

1602
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:59,199
then you get punished again because you get the Tablet three,

1603
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,399
which is just.

1604
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,560
Speaker 3: That riff is just yeah, it just blows my mind

1605
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,359
every time it comes in.

1606
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: I just had the absolutely cursed thought that David Cameron,

1607
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,960
who famously once They're the Dartside the moment his favorite

1608
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,359
abb of all time, would probably like the middle song.

1609
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:20,720
But yeah, it's a memorizing moment there, and then you

1610
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,520
have to remember again it's at the heart of what

1611
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,000
is kind of an extreme metal epic that they just

1612
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:28,880
plopped that song in the middle of. And Tablet three

1613
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,800
is my favorite passage of the record as well, not

1614
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,479
necessarily the beginning of it, but that all out kind

1615
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,039
of you know, death kind of circle human through symbolic

1616
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:41,199
kind of charge that bursts out of that mid section

1617
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,960
is exciting enough. Again if you like metal, that should

1618
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,720
just be enough to kind of send the blood coursing

1619
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,359
around your body. You've got another again, sort of like

1620
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,000
Tangerine Dream or like pop ul Ver, kind of like

1621
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:54,199
voyage through the jungle section that's snuck in there, because like,

1622
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:55,560
of course that would be in there at this stage.

1623
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,119
It's just absurd how high quality all sounds that the

1624
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:02,640
end destination though of like the last you know, five

1625
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:08,359
six minutes of this record, magnificent, they arrive on this

1626
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,960
melodic idea that they just see through right to the end,

1627
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,159
after everything they've done, everything they've touched on, coming together

1628
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:20,680
to create this fucking like surge of sound that genuinely

1629
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:25,520
makes my heart swell, like the way they cress that melody,

1630
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,199
like that tremolo riff riding that blast beat, and the

1631
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:32,399
keys move in and you have that anthem style Emperor

1632
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:37,039
ish synth lead surface again. But now it's like triumphant

1633
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,279
and victorious. It's like anthems to the welcon at Dusk

1634
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:43,199
as imagined by populver played through the threat boards of

1635
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:47,680
Blood Incantation like it's absolutely glorious, and Blood Contation have been,

1636
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,560
you know, superb and very evocative as well for a

1637
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,560
while now, but they've never made me feel quite like that.

1638
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:57,560
And you know, music that is this fucking dense and

1639
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,439
complex and touches as many things. You might ask, you know,

1640
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,359
what's the point of it, But it's it's how it

1641
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:03,600
makes you feel, and it's the path was in the

1642
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,119
brain that it kind of pulls you down and unlocks

1643
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:10,560
and and this is just so fully and successfully a

1644
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,840
prog record in that regard. That's sort of that second

1645
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,239
half of Tablet three from when that lead riff first

1646
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:22,159
comes in and there's been I've said a lot of

1647
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,199
superlatives so far, but that came out. That's the best

1648
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:30,520
riff I've heard in ages and the anticipational dreddone are

1649
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,119
they going to just throw that away like they've thrown

1650
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,319
away so much on this record so far, and then

1651
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,760
the realization that it's going to be bowing out on it.

1652
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,319
So for the last four minutes, I'm just waiting for

1653
01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:42,600
its win so that I can applaud because it's the

1654
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,520
curtain cool riff Yeah yeah.

1655
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 3: And said that that tremolo bit is just stunning.

1656
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,039
Speaker 1: And the way the record bows out after that triumphant

1657
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:56,239
crescendo and you just drift into some void of synths

1658
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,279
and they just let you sit there for a couple

1659
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:02,760
of minutes before the it just disappears. I can't think

1660
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:07,039
of many extreme metal records ever that are as transportative

1661
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:11,279
as that. I mean, I'm saying them Incineration Festival next year,

1662
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,399
where they're builders performing this whole album, and I don't

1663
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,279
know how they're going to do it, Like how just

1664
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:19,159
that moment alone, how quickly is eyes going to have

1665
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:20,880
to turn around to those bongos like they're going to

1666
01:20:21,079 --> 01:20:25,319
spin them in record time. That's just one moment on

1667
01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:29,279
this baffling, baffling album. And the rotor Tom's like the

1668
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:33,760
drums all over this thing. Just yeah. Yeah. Like we've

1669
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,880
been talking, I think, as a scene collectively, you know,

1670
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,720
for a long time now about Blo Incantation and again

1671
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:43,479
that prospect of them hitting on something really special and exciting,

1672
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,439
and this is essentially like you know, what we were

1673
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,800
imagining and kind of salivating over. This is the you know,

1674
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,680
it's the coming of age of a band who are

1675
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,880
like already doing things beyond all of their peers on

1676
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,520
their prior records. But again, like you know, I'm not

1677
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,359
necessarily saying it's my very favorite. We've got the December

1678
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:01,399
shows for them, but it's hard not to feel like

1679
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,439
this is the landmark metal release of twenty twenty four,

1680
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,119
like the last couple of years in general. Again, as

1681
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:09,439
you maybe saying, Elliott, you don't often feel like you've

1682
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,239
heard again. I try to avoid those words of like

1683
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:15,920
instant classic or whatever, but records that don't just color

1684
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,600
within the lines of what we know, but genuinely feel

1685
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,039
like this is a big moment for metal as a

1686
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:25,039
genre and nail it the way that this does. Even

1687
01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:27,079
the way that you know, extreme metal bands, I think

1688
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:29,600
often get overlooked and they don't get credit for being

1689
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,560
forward thinkers because there are a lot of people out

1690
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,640
there who are comfortable kind of filing them in the

1691
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,640
way in their little you know, underground corner and pretending

1692
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,840
that there's nothing going on there, which again you know,

1693
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,319
don't chew away from that. We've got more of that

1694
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:42,720
to come later on. But I think even for that

1695
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,800
kind of mindset, this record is going to prove very

1696
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,199
hard to ignore. Yeah, I mean, I've you know, I've

1697
01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:53,000
been doing this show for two years and there's been

1698
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:56,479
albums I've adored across that, but I think this might

1699
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,439
be and if it's almost annoying that's coming this late

1700
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:00,920
in the year, because like you say, there are the

1701
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:03,199
album of the year lists to be done in a

1702
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:07,119
matter of weeks, but there are very few albums so

1703
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:09,199
I've come in that time where I think I'm happy

1704
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,359
to call that a ten probably around now, like in

1705
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:14,119
the process of reviewing it, there are albums where I

1706
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:17,640
might give that score looking back, but I can't think

1707
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,119
of many off the top of my head where in

1708
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,119
this now, just three weeks after hearing it for the

1709
01:22:22,119 --> 01:22:28,439
first time, giving an album any less feels unfair. Yeah,

1710
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,840
I mean, Elliott you might remember, you know, when I

1711
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,720
heard this record, I was like, Elliott's going to lose

1712
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:38,680
to this shit. It's just may It's it's so made

1713
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,159
for me anyway, Like like there's a chance i'd be

1714
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:44,399
I'd love this record if the quality wasn't as high,

1715
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,199
But it's the fact that it's it's like it's geared

1716
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:50,880
for me, and it always happens to be like you

1717
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,920
say the landmark record, landmark metal record of the year,

1718
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:59,399
it's it's just well fhissingally stars a ligne moment, do

1719
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,680
you know what I mean? Yes, Something that warms my

1720
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,439
heart is that in terms of our lead reviews, we

1721
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,119
can actually have a double death mettal dose because on

1722
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:10,119
the same day, even October the fourth, we got two

1723
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:12,039
albums from the world of death metal that really have

1724
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:14,319
you know, they've proven to be the breakout records from

1725
01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:15,760
the world of metal at large in the last sort

1726
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,439
of you know, month to six weeks, if you weren't

1727
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,119
having your minds blown by by Blooding Tantation, you were

1728
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:25,880
probably listening to More Insane by Undeath, And uh, I mean,

1729
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,640
you know, part of me just to get my only

1730
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,199
doing down of this out of the way. It's hard

1731
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,439
for any record coming out the same day as absolutely

1732
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,079
elsewhere to measure up when that is everything we've just

1733
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:38,520
said about it, and More Insane by comparison is merely

1734
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,039
a very good death metal album. But you know, fuck that.

1735
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,079
Let things exist on their own terms. Undeath have even

1736
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,680
less years than Blooding Cantation actually risen to also be

1737
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,960
kind of kings of the contemporary death metal scene. This

1738
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:52,720
is also album number three, but Undeath first one only

1739
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,680
came out in twenty twenty. They have been a more

1740
01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:58,119
insurgent present, shall we say. We've spoken about Undeath a lot,

1741
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:02,119
and it's within the realm of kind of contemporary, you know,

1742
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:06,119
underground subculture death metal. About the closest thing to we

1743
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:09,359
have to meteoric, you know, like it's in here, in

1744
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:12,279
one of our top two release slots here, and it

1745
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:14,479
feels like they deserve it already. Yeah.

1746
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 4: I think if if Blood and Cantation are the say

1747
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,199
Morbid Angel or Death of the modern day un Death,

1748
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:26,680
or maybe like the obituary, like big populist catchy, maybe

1749
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,359
not a lot of thrills, but just jams of the

1750
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:32,119
highest order. And they've been very prolific in those three years.

1751
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:35,399
A third record since twenty twenty one. I think like

1752
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:39,319
there aren't many there aren't any metal bands that are

1753
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:44,119
any good who can claim that, and each record has

1754
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:46,640
been of a pretty consistent standard.

1755
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this record certainly felt like I had a

1756
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,319
level of expectation around it. People that you know, they've

1757
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,199
come to expect that Undeath are gonna hook you up

1758
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:58,199
with the most fun, riffy death metal that you can

1759
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,960
expect in any given year. So this that in particular

1760
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:02,800
had that air of them sort of you know, trying

1761
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,319
to take a kind of step up, like you know,

1762
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,479
Lesions of a different kind. I thought was a very

1763
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,760
fine death metal album. It's Time to Ride from the

1764
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,680
Grave was then a great death metal album. With that foundation,

1765
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,479
it seemed like Undeath were, you know, kind of going

1766
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,119
for the big leagues a little bit again, about as

1767
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,279
much as a band called Undeath who you know writes

1768
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,720
songs about human shandi as you know, could but you

1769
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,239
know what I mean, I think the most obvious difference

1770
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,359
you're hit with straight off the bat of this record

1771
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,239
is sonically, But uh, what do you guys hear in

1772
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:32,279
terms of kind of advancement or growth from what we've

1773
01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:33,640
already received from from Undeath.

1774
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: Well, for me, I mean, this feels like a death

1775
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,680
metal album I could quite easily put in front of

1776
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,880
people who like, you know, heavy music, but aren't into deafinitels. Sorry,

1777
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,960
because this is to me it is like as immediately

1778
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,479
accessible as I think the genre gets in terms of

1779
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,760
just like the sound of it, the songs, the sort

1780
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,079
of there are hooks on here. It is funny, it's catchy,

1781
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:00,399
it's still disgusting.

1782
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 3: Heaviert points, but it's gotta like it's gonna.

1783
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: I just think there's like there is just an accessibility

1784
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,560
to it that I think even the previous two Death

1785
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,680
albums didn't have, And that for me is why this

1786
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,640
has kind of been like again, I'm not saying it's

1787
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,760
the most impressive of the two Death Matton albums released

1788
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,239
that day, but I have completely just been like caning

1789
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:22,000
this even more than the than the Blooding Is Now

1790
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,279
points because it's so tuned to me being a stinky

1791
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:28,119
little mosher who just wants to shout and stomp about

1792
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:31,319
at times. Because the A'm just hits on that while sounding.

1793
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,239
Speaker 1: Huge, Well, I think that's that kind of captures it.

1794
01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:37,159
Because there is something of a lineage of.

1795
01:26:37,079 --> 01:26:42,359
Speaker 4: Death metal bands who cross over into other forms of metal,

1796
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:43,640
which you know they're not going to cross over to

1797
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,359
fans of you know, maybe like Lords of the Lost

1798
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,199
or something like that. But in the way that the

1799
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:52,359
Black Dahlia Murder could play to Lamma God fans, Machine

1800
01:26:52,359 --> 01:26:54,560
Heead fans, and there was something there look listen to,

1801
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,800
something like the Bleeding by Cannibal Courts, which has some

1802
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,680
really fucking nasty material on it, but fundamentally is a

1803
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,560
really riffy, well produced, meaty sounding death metal record. This

1804
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,479
feels like Undeath maybe having more of a crack at that,

1805
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,840
but the previous records were muscular sound, a little bit stinkier,

1806
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,640
a little bit more cryptic. This feels more like swinging

1807
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,800
for the fences, like we've written some fucking great rifts

1808
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,920
here and we would like for you to hear them.

1809
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I concur I think they we already know Undeath

1810
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:28,439
kind of. I think the the characteristic that we all

1811
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,279
associate with them if you had, like you know, your

1812
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:35,119
your word association is fun, you know, and it's joy.

1813
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:38,359
It's they are the bands who in death metal have

1814
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,920
big cheesy grins on stage as they're playing, because, yeah,

1815
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,680
because they're enjoying themselves so much, and they are, you know,

1816
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,880
even such brutality, they are figures of joy. There's no

1817
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:50,079
kind of evil posturing or anything like that. And there's

1818
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,960
something very wholesome but also infectious about them as a result.

1819
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,520
And again you know that this band is an overt

1820
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,119
influence in their music. But I'm talking spiritually as much

1821
01:27:59,119 --> 01:28:01,560
as that that reas to me is kind of making them,

1822
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,439
you know, from the current death metal wave what someone

1823
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,439
like the Black Dahlia Murder were to the previous generation.

1824
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,680
They're the cool, fun guys who you want to hang

1825
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:13,159
out with, whose enjoyment of like scary macarb shit really

1826
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:16,039
shines through in the records. And the first two albums

1827
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,199
had that fun quality, but they were you know, a

1828
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:22,880
little bit more cripty. They were more gooey and gross,

1829
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,560
and they have more of that old school death netal

1830
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,119
flavor to how they sound. I love that, and that's,

1831
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,319
you know, probably is all how I will always prefer

1832
01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:31,279
my death metal to sound. But I think it's also

1833
01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:33,439
fair to say that the kind of thing and Death

1834
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,399
are doing, like a Black Dahlia Murder, it maybe shines

1835
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,039
through even more having that kind of brightness to the

1836
01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:42,720
sound that reflects that like fun and infectiousness that they're having.

1837
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,119
And this really is that record, you know, And again

1838
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:47,840
it was kind of not obviously the Black Dahia Murder

1839
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,119
we spoke about on the last Reviews episode, but those

1840
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,239
records actually only came about a week apart, you know,

1841
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,359
they were just separated by that September October divide here

1842
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:57,520
for the reviews, but like, you know, sticking this record

1843
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,800
on the week after the Dahli one had come out,

1844
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,640
you know, it's like having two records scratching that kind

1845
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,319
of itch, so you know, freshly. But this record really

1846
01:29:05,359 --> 01:29:08,119
feels to me, like I mean, personally, I think I

1847
01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:10,800
enjoyed this record maybe a little bit more, but fairly

1848
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,239
comparable amount to how much I liked It's Time to

1849
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:14,800
Rise from the Grave. I think both those records are

1850
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:19,479
just excellent, but this one has that sense of it

1851
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,159
could be a more defining record for them in terms

1852
01:29:22,199 --> 01:29:25,520
of appealing to more people and having the confidence to really,

1853
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,439
you know, assure that as well. That thing that we

1854
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,680
spoke about when Brandish the Blades dropped as a single

1855
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,159
and you and I Sam were both like fucking hell,

1856
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,479
like this on death track is really like meaning business.

1857
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,159
This record as a whole has got a lot of

1858
01:29:37,159 --> 01:29:38,760
that and is characterized by that feeling.

1859
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think there is again there is like

1860
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:45,640
a clarity to the vocals. The riffs are like crunchy

1861
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:51,560
and brutal, but like tightight and sound like not polished,

1862
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,079
but they sound like just big metal riffs as well

1863
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:56,239
as just sounding like nasty death moo. They just get

1864
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:01,319
this exact right balance of dinky, nasty death metal and

1865
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:06,760
again just like kind of big like rockin groove metal

1866
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,479
kind of thing like like you. Again, you can put

1867
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,279
this as like in a sort of league of your

1868
01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:13,520
Lamb of Gods and bands like that, whilst it still

1869
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:17,239
just has all the DNA and the influence of bands

1870
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:19,680
like Death and Obituary and stuff like that.

1871
01:30:20,319 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I guess like you parent, I

1872
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,119
generally prefer my death metal to be of the stinky, rotten,

1873
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,600
cryptic end of things. But I also think it's a

1874
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,000
case by case thing, and I think it really suits

1875
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:35,239
on Death to Salies, and it particularly suits this batch

1876
01:30:35,279 --> 01:30:38,439
of songs because there's stuff on here, maybe for the

1877
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,880
first time in there. It's not a huge leap this record,

1878
01:30:42,039 --> 01:30:46,119
but there's stuff on here where if Undeath theoretically got

1879
01:30:46,119 --> 01:30:48,960
booked to open the second stage the main stage at

1880
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,920
Download or something like that, there's stuff they would that

1881
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,960
would be communicable to the people in the crowd who

1882
01:30:55,079 --> 01:30:57,239
like things like machine Head or Lamb of Gold or

1883
01:30:57,279 --> 01:31:00,920
Parkway Drive. And that's not to say that they've really softened,

1884
01:31:01,279 --> 01:31:06,600
it's just this record has maybe more instantly catchy moments

1885
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:11,319
than the previous two. Yeah, the run of first four

1886
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,159
tracks on those record particularly, I think he's brilliant. Like

1887
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:18,039
it comes out swinging with so much power and intent.

1888
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:22,079
That first main riff in Dead from Beyond fucking slays

1889
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:27,000
more Insane, then goes appropriately more insane, and the ride

1890
01:31:27,079 --> 01:31:30,239
stump on that short like curt little first riff. I

1891
01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:33,000
am such a sucker for that. It's a very cannibal

1892
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:35,439
trick that Undeath have kind of emerged as like the

1893
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:39,039
inheritors of like the Ordained Band to do that thing.

1894
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:41,359
Just the way they pound on a groove if you

1895
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,479
listen to Undeaths like verses in a something like that,

1896
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,079
and how Alex kind of pops along on top of

1897
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:49,760
what the rhythm section is doing is just absolutely superb.

1898
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,520
And it's how they switch it out too, like the

1899
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,560
chorus on More Insane and where the drums decide to

1900
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,239
speed up and then drop out on what is still

1901
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:01,000
essentially the same tempo riff and aligned with that kind

1902
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,239
of like insane you know, vocal hook from Alex, it

1903
01:32:04,279 --> 01:32:08,319
gives it this like wonderfully dexterous elastic quality that again

1904
01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:10,319
is straight out of the you know, Wretched Spawn or

1905
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:11,399
whatever type textbook.

1906
01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Cannibal Corpse I think is a very

1907
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,920
clear influence as much as it was before. I think

1908
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,199
the way Cannibal Corps cross over to those people we

1909
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:23,760
were talking about, that definitely feels like a deliberate thing here,

1910
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,800
like Dead from Beyond that opens with the same swing

1911
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,319
on like Through the Eyes of the Dead, the way

1912
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:30,199
where it's it's almost a bounce swing, do you know

1913
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:32,800
what I mean, Where it's got this almost pirate quality

1914
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:38,000
to the way it rattles along and that spidery lead flourish.

1915
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,560
If they'd have had the production of the previous two records,

1916
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:41,920
that sort of thing might have been buried or might

1917
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,239
not have been so clear. But the record's more intense

1918
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:48,640
for having those moments of light and like you say,

1919
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,199
makes it sound more fun. And then something like Cramped

1920
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:55,119
Caskets where they settle into a world demise era, a

1921
01:32:55,159 --> 01:33:00,359
bituary groove. Again, it's to a death metal fan that's

1922
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:01,560
just like your favorite shit.

1923
01:33:02,359 --> 01:33:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Undeath success has been so

1924
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,119
well earned in terms of they are clearly just such

1925
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:12,279
adept natural songwriters using those core like death metal ingredients.

1926
01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:14,640
It's it's a rare talent to hear bands, you know,

1927
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,079
using that core tenets of that that they all know,

1928
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,880
but using it to make such catchy, satisfying songs, and

1929
01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:23,840
particularly like the first four songs here the cup on

1930
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:25,880
the back end that properly like do it as well,

1931
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:30,399
absolutely nail it, and it really allows Alex the space

1932
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:32,079
as a vocalist as well. I think you can hear

1933
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:35,800
on this how much he is really inhabiting the role

1934
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,640
as frontman, which sometimes you're like, you know, more like

1935
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:40,840
one note guttural death metal singers might not actually do

1936
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,680
to the same degree, but he is like the commander

1937
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,279
of the battalion, like in in Brandish the Blade, the

1938
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,520
way he pulls himself up through kind of several layers

1939
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,239
of intensity on that like right now, right now, right now,

1940
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:55,800
like really you know, serving the song by giving it

1941
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,520
a kind of focal point. He makes a fucking sensational

1942
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,920
sound at the start of Cramped Caskets, which you've missed

1943
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,880
Elliott brackets necrology.

1944
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like that disgusting, like yeah, just.

1945
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,199
Speaker 1: Not death metal. Flemmer, Brandish the Blade is fucking ridiculous.

1946
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:13,479
That I do think is a standout tune for them

1947
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,960
in their career so far, Like those rifts are so

1948
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:21,479
unbelievably sharp, the intro is so hype, and that intro

1949
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,399
riff then also basically being the chorus rift. But when

1950
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,520
it comes back, you're hearing it with like full speed

1951
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,159
double bass and the band working together again like excellent

1952
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:30,560
arranging instincts.

1953
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've been branched the blade like again,

1954
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,359
like you've got that amazing call and response chorus that

1955
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,600
that is legitimately huge as Vocus. When we say he's

1956
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,479
got that clarent and that come on, it's like sort

1957
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,239
of a peak Winston Mccaorn like Parker and they were

1958
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:45,960
really emerging, and he was like a pure screamer, but

1959
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,840
he was delivering hooks and and like being sort of

1960
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,960
like identifiable Vocus that could kind of like control everything

1961
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:54,640
whilst not having to sing at all.

1962
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:57,079
Speaker 3: And and again it all builds again.

1963
01:34:57,159 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: Just one of the best beatdowns of the year, and

1964
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,119
that I'm brandishing the fun like yes, please give me again,

1965
01:35:03,319 --> 01:35:04,720
That's what a beat down should sound like.

1966
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, when we next get to see un Death

1967
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,840
live over here, that is going to go off.

1968
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:12,359
Speaker 3: Like my fist will be flying at that point, get

1969
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:13,079
get these.

1970
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,239
Speaker 2: Guys like because like I was there, they're on the

1971
01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:17,359
deafmands that have kind of taken that a little touch

1972
01:35:17,399 --> 01:35:20,840
of you know, the hardcore influence in there, but it's

1973
01:35:21,079 --> 01:35:22,520
it's it's just a way to kind of like just

1974
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,800
make the death metal punch me. And there's songs like

1975
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:26,960
when you see like the sort of the metal bangers

1976
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,920
of like Bounty Hunter has like a new metal bounce

1977
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,439
to it at the start of it, where like the

1978
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,039
bend on that riff and the.

1979
01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:33,319
Speaker 3: Whole I Will claim your bounty.

1980
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,039
Speaker 2: This is like again just a legit banger in a

1981
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:38,800
death metal template that kind of again George a little

1982
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,760
bit from outside but just kind of goes. But let's

1983
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,920
just make it like fucked up scusy death metal. And

1984
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,279
it's so good that there's so many songs like that.

1985
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:48,159
I mean, this attachment of a prophylactic in the brain

1986
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:49,039
has like the sort of.

1987
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:54,359
Speaker 1: Like spooky Scooby do in the brain. Make that beginning

1988
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,920
part flirt like you can barely read it as a sentence,

1989
01:35:58,039 --> 01:35:59,399
and yet he does. It's like, oh yeah, great, that's

1990
01:35:59,439 --> 01:35:59,920
what the catch.

1991
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:03,039
Speaker 2: Like the guitar melodies that kind of like sell like

1992
01:36:03,079 --> 01:36:05,880
spooky scooby Doo core at times, but it's just like

1993
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,840
got again, these heavy metal kind of like lead working

1994
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,760
there and all these elements just kind of come together

1995
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,800
for a really like unique, catchy death metal song.

1996
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1997
01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just to go back to Bounty Hunter a second,

1998
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,560
that's one of the rap songs that again I rehope

1999
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,159
makes it to live sets and stuff, because it just,

2000
01:36:21,279 --> 01:36:24,960
you know, it's the perfect fucking kind of doofy death

2001
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,880
metal dudes riding a mammoth wading a club around like dudes,

2002
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,159
rock shit I want in this music. Yeah, New Metals

2003
01:36:32,199 --> 01:36:33,439
and what came to mind for me. I just thought

2004
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,640
this is like a sort of shitty slam death metal song,

2005
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,600
but with a great band writing a great song around.

2006
01:36:39,279 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 4: It, because you know, I've seen well that's it. I've

2007
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:46,159
seen slam bands who aren't particularly good. But these did

2008
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,159
did did, and everyone does that slow sort of circle

2009
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:49,960
pit march that you always see at the slam shows.

2010
01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:53,359
And that's a great sensation. I'm not complaining about that.

2011
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,560
But when you decorate it with these big hooks and

2012
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,000
like loads of personality that I will claim your bounty

2013
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:03,159
like as the rallying cry boundy it's just tremendous and

2014
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:08,880
that disattachment of a prophylactic in the brain. Is it

2015
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,840
just me or does that chorus sound of it system

2016
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:12,279
of a down?

2017
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the kind of like weird rhythmic shit that

2018
01:37:17,039 --> 01:37:19,680
they could sell to you in that kind of way.

2019
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,600
It doesn't sound like it to me, but I understand

2020
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,920
the connection you're making. Well, it's just it's a lot

2021
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,199
of reference I was expecting to make, and I mean,

2022
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:30,199
going back to stuff like Brandish the Blades Sutured for War.

2023
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:33,159
It kind of it reminded me what a great idea

2024
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,119
melodic death metal is, because mellow death generally is something

2025
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:39,680
I'm not all that kid on outside of classic in

2026
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,800
Flames at the Gates, the odd band here or there.

2027
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,039
It's to me, it just it never really delivers on

2028
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:50,359
the promise of melodic death metal. But these are just

2029
01:37:50,399 --> 01:37:53,880
brilliant death metal songs with slightly more melodic riffs, and

2030
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,600
it just adds another dimension to what they're doing. And

2031
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,479
as much as I I might have accidentally painted on

2032
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,119
death there's a somewhat one dimensional band, and I don't

2033
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,359
necessarily think that's true because there's stuff on this record

2034
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:09,760
that I don't think their peers are doing Oh, I mean,

2035
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,439
they're so fucking skilled. Like again that that beat down

2036
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:16,520
riff in Branch the Blade moves into a slightly less highlighted,

2037
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,159
like galloping heavy metal solo section, and I listened to

2038
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:22,479
that transition, I go, you know, obviously they're not a

2039
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,319
prog band in the same with that bloying contations are.

2040
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,039
But I don't get any sense that like Undeath can't

2041
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,039
do something on this red you know, it's like whatever

2042
01:38:29,079 --> 01:38:31,720
they try and include, they're very, very good at it.

2043
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:36,039
And I remember hearing like when when Right from the

2044
01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:38,399
Grave came out from the last record, I was being like, well,

2045
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,840
like when did Carcass show up? You know, now it's

2046
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,199
almost second nature that they have these like incredible melod

2047
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:46,119
death passages, but without ever you know, getting so kind

2048
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:48,439
of cleaned up or soft that you would think of

2049
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,000
them as a melo death band. But it's in there,

2050
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:53,119
like Suture for War you mentioned, is full of it. Yeah,

2051
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:55,720
really sick lyrics in that track as well, like stitching

2052
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,000
all these body parts together into a suit of armor

2053
01:38:58,039 --> 01:39:00,600
to wear on the battle of field. Hell yeah, but

2054
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,239
again there's a whisper it maybe a death core breakdown

2055
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,399
in there, but the overall song is so dexterous that

2056
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,319
they totally get away with it. There's a fucking like

2057
01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:12,079
full on like eat type slam part in Whaling Cadavers,

2058
01:39:12,079 --> 01:39:12,920
which is brilliant.

2059
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 2: No, those things again, there is there is sort oft

2060
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,720
of that like that that that final beat down in

2061
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,720
Wedding Cadavers. That's sort of like the sort of thing

2062
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,359
Dying Fetus would like be proud of when sort of

2063
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:25,680
like just sitting the shit knuckle dragon brutality within your

2064
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,600
death metal. But again that's just you know, one element

2065
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,239
of it. It never you know, dumbs itself down too

2066
01:39:32,319 --> 01:39:35,119
much before they they throw in an impressive kind of

2067
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,680
guitar shut or technical kind of lead. It's all just

2068
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,720
elements they they poured together and have fun kind of

2069
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,479
just throwing out there when it when it works.

2070
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that kind of rift dexterity. Again, they do

2071
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,680
this thing that to my mind, only Cannibal Corps really

2072
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,640
have done, which is at least in the same way

2073
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:53,520
which they do these like ultra precise grooves that somehow

2074
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,800
sound disorientating through how precise they're able to shift them.

2075
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,520
The rift that opens disputatious milign Andy brought me so

2076
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,560
much glee when I first heard it, because it's that

2077
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:07,399
absolutely like ternolo dime tempo drops and bursts, which makes

2078
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,319
an overall rift that is somehow catchy despite how like

2079
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,760
mangled it is, and it's very reflective again it's and

2080
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,079
the chorus in the kind in my head, in my

2081
01:40:14,119 --> 01:40:16,199
head like sounding like he's in the grips of madness

2082
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,680
is perfectly captured in the rift that he's he's singing

2083
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:24,399
that on and they they, I mean, I have a

2084
01:40:24,399 --> 01:40:27,199
bit of a weird sensation with this where I think

2085
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:29,920
we spoken before about how a record might transport you

2086
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,000
somewhere in your head. This ultra crisp production sound we're

2087
01:40:33,039 --> 01:40:35,520
talking about it. It's Mark Lewis who does this, but

2088
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,479
I think it was a really inspired choice in terms

2089
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:42,039
of not as obvious a like, you know, name a

2090
01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:44,439
death metal producer, you might not immediately say Mark Lewis,

2091
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,520
but he's done really brilliant sounding records in this style

2092
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,199
that are the clear reference points for this, like you know,

2093
01:40:50,319 --> 01:40:53,600
Ritual by the Black Dahli Murder, particularly a skeletal domain

2094
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,359
from Cannibal Corps, which is the only one they've done

2095
01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:58,520
in the last you know, twenty years that wasn't done

2096
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,920
by by Rutan, and this this record is obviously you know,

2097
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:03,920
it's super modern. It's obviously a record that I think

2098
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:05,560
you could look at it in the current crop and

2099
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,760
say that's leading the way in terms of like what

2100
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,760
does advanced production on a twenty twenty four death metal

2101
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,920
record sound like? But also in an odd sort of way,

2102
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,079
I almost feel like it's vindication for something from ten

2103
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,359
years ago, because a Skeletal Domain is not a record

2104
01:41:19,399 --> 01:41:22,239
that people name drop so much from Cannibal Corpse, but

2105
01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:23,920
I always thought it had a really cool sound to

2106
01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:26,359
you know, it really suited Cannibal Corpse, but was also

2107
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,720
you know, it sounded distinct from again all the routine

2108
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,840
ones that were around it. And hearing such similar tones

2109
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,199
on this record from a band who already had Cannibal

2110
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:40,840
Corpse as their number one influence point for riffs and

2111
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,439
doing those kind of tricks, I'm highlighting something, you know,

2112
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,520
things I very much associate with Cannibal Corps and not

2113
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,039
really any other bands doing. There are grooves on this

2114
01:41:48,119 --> 01:41:50,880
record where I close my eyes and it's like I'm

2115
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,199
listening to a Skeletal Domain in twenty fourteen, and it's

2116
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:56,680
it's so weird because I know this is undeath, but

2117
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,800
it's also like it's like a hole and that hearing

2118
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:03,119
a whole second record that never happened of Cannibal Corpse,

2119
01:42:03,159 --> 01:42:05,399
like continuing if they kept working with Mark Lewis. It

2120
01:42:06,119 --> 01:42:07,479
kind of tripped me out a bit.

2121
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: That's so funny. I hadn't thought of that, but I

2122
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:16,039
totally a skeletal domain, just a quick sidestep. I think

2123
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:20,760
it's a massively overlooked cannibal record. So I'm gonna have

2124
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:22,479
to go back to this with that in mind, because

2125
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,479
I've always listened to that record and I thought the

2126
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,439
sound of this is so good. And like I said,

2127
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,319
mark Lewis has cropped up other places, but he isn't

2128
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:30,880
one of those go to names as a producer. But

2129
01:42:32,119 --> 01:42:34,920
if you've got that and ritual under your belt, you

2130
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,560
can produce my death Belt record if you like.

2131
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:40,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And again most of the time vocally,

2132
01:42:40,119 --> 01:42:43,600
because Alex has so much personality, is when I go like, oh, yeah,

2133
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,039
this is clearly you know this is undeath. But there's

2134
01:42:46,079 --> 01:42:48,880
a bridge bit on Bounty Hunter where Alex kind of

2135
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,680
fades in with like a repeating gutter or vocal a

2136
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,560
bit like Corpse Grinder does on I think it's Bloodbine

2137
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,640
from the Newest Cannibal, And the first time I heard it,

2138
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,960
I actually fought for about two seconds that they've got

2139
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,199
corps Grinders as a gain spot, you know, which isn't

2140
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:02,760
out of the question. It has that kind of impression

2141
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,199
where it comes in. I think I'm getting over that

2142
01:43:05,239 --> 01:43:08,079
particular wind sensation. But it does sound an awful lot

2143
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:11,920
like I'm listening to a secret second, you know, skeletal

2144
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,920
domain record. They mix it up as well, like there's

2145
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,680
a nice kind of suffocation drop in, uh, this attachment

2146
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,720
of a prophylactic in the brain that also has the

2147
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,319
shine and melodic flare of a heart work somehow. Yeah,

2148
01:43:23,359 --> 01:43:27,640
this record is most excellent, more insane. They are increasingly

2149
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,880
excellent songwriters. I think you just tell it. They've got

2150
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:34,079
the juice in that particular department. But they're also increasingly

2151
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:37,319
confident here in exhibiting it. You know, every song has

2152
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:40,920
at least one normally more than that great riff in it,

2153
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,760
and it's it's kind of encouraging to have, like you know,

2154
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,760
it's it's it's old school spirit, but it's not afraid

2155
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,439
to be you know, cutting edge as well. It's kind

2156
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,079
of fine in the middle ground between those two things

2157
01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:53,960
and and how it sounds as a record. I think

2158
01:43:54,039 --> 01:43:57,039
obviously maybe with the new Gate Creeper album as well,

2159
01:43:57,079 --> 01:43:59,680
earlier in the year, we're almost getting to a stage

2160
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,319
with these, you know, this generation of bands where they're

2161
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:04,920
starting to have their kind of like, hey, look like

2162
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:08,640
we can write fucking anthems. Yeah, yeah, we can write

2163
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,520
commanding songs and not just kind of kick up this

2164
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,960
old school death metal stink moment of you know, death

2165
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,640
metal that is there to grab just plain old metal fonts.

2166
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2167
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 4: I think if Blood and Cantation represent like the brave

2168
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,840
new world of death metal, the outer limits of what

2169
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,960
could be done with it, if you have undeath Gate Creeper,

2170
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,600
and I guess we have to include two hundred stab

2171
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:35,960
Wounds representing the maybe more straightforward but just anthemic, catchy,

2172
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,239
hard hitting and of death metal. I think that sort

2173
01:44:39,239 --> 01:44:41,079
of thing is in very good hands right now.

2174
01:44:42,359 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, our next string of albums come from the

2175
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,920
worlds of now punk and an alternative rock. It might

2176
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:51,920
not have had, you know, quite as high profile a

2177
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,880
month or recent couple months, as you know, death Metal

2178
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,840
has but are clearly but you know, I would say

2179
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,920
in that world, we do have a few of the

2180
01:44:59,039 --> 01:45:01,920
years like geft event releases that have all kind of

2181
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,239
come along at once here and we're going to start

2182
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,079
by welcoming a band back, and that band is Balance

2183
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:10,399
and Composure, who released their fourth album and their third

2184
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,920
since reuniting last year, which is called With You in Spirit.

2185
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,880
This is a territory that we have often found ourselves

2186
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,239
turning to on album Club because the Emo revival and

2187
01:45:20,279 --> 01:45:22,800
you know, more generally, without assigning bands to one thing

2188
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,520
or another, the alternative rock scene that kind of exploded

2189
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,359
around it in the late two thousands and early twenty tens.

2190
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,479
We often describe as like, you know, one of the

2191
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:34,880
kind of last real boom times of the scene. You know,

2192
01:45:35,039 --> 01:45:37,239
like what death Metal, for example, has been experiencing the

2193
01:45:37,319 --> 01:45:40,239
last few years. Emo and alternative rock had its moment

2194
01:45:40,319 --> 01:45:42,800
about ten years ago and produced a whole string of

2195
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,800
like modern classic records that as said, we often find

2196
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,680
ourselves profiling over on that segment. Balancing Composure come from

2197
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,600
that time and much like their peers of you know,

2198
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,319
whether it be the hotelier or basement or turnover or

2199
01:45:56,359 --> 01:45:58,760
citizen or whoever you might want to say. They developed

2200
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:02,800
a real cult following. Some of those bands have stuck around,

2201
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,520
many of them have broken up. Its Balance of Composer's

2202
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:09,159
Turn right now to come back from hiatus and as

2203
01:46:09,279 --> 01:46:11,359
one of those, like you know, very beloved by some

2204
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,880
bands from that period, that feels like a moment worse

2205
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,439
spotlighting because there many people will have been waiting for

2206
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,800
it and now will be praying that, you know, modern

2207
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,279
baseball kind of following their footsteps, or you know, will

2208
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:21,640
be next?

2209
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 2: Says No, not Sin's title Fighters when everyone's next, isn't

2210
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:26,319
it sure?

2211
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: But Balanced Composure released you know, two very very warmly

2212
01:46:31,039 --> 01:46:33,840
received records in the early twenty ten Separation and the

2213
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,640
Things we think are Missing. The last we heard from

2214
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,920
them is Late we made in twenty sixteen back to

2215
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,520
during the early days of this podcast, Sam. We touched

2216
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,479
base a little on them when they returned to the

2217
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,920
UK at Outbreak this summer, but remind us were Balanced

2218
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,520
Composure one of the bands who you know you were

2219
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,640
keen to see kind of come back from that time

2220
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,960
because we've spoken about you are you know, theoretically the

2221
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,119
are the big emo amongst us. But that period of

2222
01:46:58,119 --> 01:47:00,960
bands maybe actually wasn't your Your biggest moment.

2223
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,239
Speaker 2: Was It was again when I was going to be

2224
01:47:02,279 --> 01:47:03,880
on the outside because I was all in on hardcore

2225
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,920
and stuff like that. And again Balance Composed one of

2226
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,319
those bands that I didn't like. I would never say

2227
01:47:08,319 --> 01:47:11,600
I never disliked Balanced Composure. I just didn't particularly care

2228
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:12,880
for them.

2229
01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott, you have spoken very fondly of again some

2230
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:18,399
of the bands they're kind of like kind of contemporaries,

2231
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,880
and how much you loved them at the time where

2232
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,680
you were tall into you know, Bouts Composu during their

2233
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:23,920
kind of initial run of activity.

2234
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 4: Not really, because I think I was too late for that.

2235
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,119
There's a twenty thirteen record I'm blanking on the name now,

2236
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:31,640
which is.

2237
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,359
Speaker 1: That's the Things we think We're missing. Yes, Yeah, that one,

2238
01:47:34,399 --> 01:47:36,640
which I think is broadly seen as the.

2239
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:38,359
Speaker 3: Classic kind of regarded as the classic year.

2240
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sort of got to the emo wing of

2241
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,279
things slightly too late for that. I was more twenty

2242
01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:46,800
fifteen was when I really got interested in things like

2243
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,399
Title Fight. Sort of unfortunate timing for them, but turnover

2244
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:54,760
modern baseball soon after Joyce manor. I've been into it

2245
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:56,279
for a couple of years, but that's when I've really

2246
01:47:56,359 --> 01:47:59,119
the solidified themselves as one of my favorites in that scene.

2247
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,119
But then by the time twenty eighteen rolled around, I

2248
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:05,760
sort of for most of the bands I like either

2249
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,880
split up or put out less than stellar records, or

2250
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,159
you know, had to apologize or with an iPhone notes

2251
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:15,000
thing or something happened, and I kind of just pushed

2252
01:48:15,039 --> 01:48:18,560
myself away from all that, and just in the mix

2253
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,800
of twenty sixteen, you know, modern Baseball release in that

2254
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:23,199
record that year, there were amazing records that came out

2255
01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:25,399
sort of before and after it, just it never quite

2256
01:48:26,319 --> 01:48:28,680
grabbed my attention in any way that matched them. So

2257
01:48:29,359 --> 01:48:32,199
once they split up, there wasn't too much of an

2258
01:48:32,199 --> 01:48:33,439
incentive for me to then go back.

2259
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean, I you know, I'm the most

2260
01:48:36,319 --> 01:48:38,159
removed from this particular scene at the time we're talking

2261
01:48:38,199 --> 01:48:40,640
about and back composure. You know, they weren't one of

2262
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,239
the three or four bands, So I then really got

2263
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,119
into slightly kind of down the line. So I guess,

2264
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,359
you know, we're not coming at this with the perspective of,

2265
01:48:48,199 --> 01:48:50,520
you know, having the big fan in the bunch, I

2266
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:52,560
must stressed. I've never had any problem with Bats composure,

2267
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:53,760
and I do find them to be one of the

2268
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,920
most listenable bands from that scene. Like they never really

2269
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:01,239
grabbed me, maybe because they are melodically probably the drearia

2270
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,399
more downcast at basically all times bands, and I never

2271
01:49:04,399 --> 01:49:06,600
really found the catchiest you know that they're not a

2272
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,960
band who screen bangers, but I respect that they do,

2273
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,439
and I never found them to be you know, kind

2274
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,039
of you know, distasteful to my ears. I do happen

2275
01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,359
to live with a balance of composure obsessive. They're one

2276
01:49:15,359 --> 01:49:17,560
of my girlfriend's like five favorite bands, so if I

2277
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,439
say anything naked is she'll be very upset with me.

2278
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:21,920
But I also have some of her like fans, I

2279
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,000
assurance of well of like when it comes to their

2280
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,880
catalog and kind of the relations between albums. That kind

2281
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:27,760
of thing like we made was that, you know, the

2282
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,399
shoegaze pivot that all of these bands seem to be doing.

2283
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,560
Circled twenty sixteen, Yes, you know, with the kind of

2284
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,039
looks a bit like the Mister blobby smeared face album cover.

2285
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:38,119
I think that is probably amongst them more respectable and

2286
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:41,039
creatively you know involved kind of versions of all those

2287
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:43,319
bands doing that, but I do understand it to be

2288
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,359
the least revered of their catalog. This album, Even from

2289
01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:49,159
a layman's point of view, I could tell from like

2290
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:51,199
the combat singles we've got that it has more in

2291
01:49:51,239 --> 01:49:54,840
common with the kind of classic balance of composure sound

2292
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:56,800
of perhaps around the kind of things we think we're

2293
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,760
missing era, and for many people, I'm sure that's exactly

2294
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,079
what they've been. One thing to hear for myself also,

2295
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,039
that probably means it's about the sort of the you know,

2296
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:07,560
the peak level of pleasurable that I will have sitting

2297
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,439
with a balance of composure album. What do you think

2298
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:13,800
of the return of this again, very very respected band, Insie.

2299
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,399
Speaker 2: I've found I've kind of just wound up in the

2300
01:50:17,399 --> 01:50:19,760
same place with this record, where again I think this

2301
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:25,039
is a very accomplished and melodically pleasant and listenable record,

2302
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,680
but I got no emotional connection from it, and that

2303
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,760
was I think the problem with this music is it

2304
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,399
lives on that emotional connection and I never got that,

2305
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,119
and I just found it to be quite because it

2306
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:39,319
is quite downcast and drea at all times, and that

2307
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,079
left it feeling a little one note for me, and

2308
01:50:41,079 --> 01:50:42,600
I was like again, I was kind of like, I

2309
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,079
feel like a background started balanced composed right because after

2310
01:50:45,079 --> 01:50:47,520
seeing him live, I was I was like, Okay, maybe

2311
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,000
this will be you know, I might command to balance composure,

2312
01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:51,760
and I feel like with this album, we're kind of

2313
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:52,600
back to square one.

2314
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,199
Speaker 4: I thought, I think this is quite good, and I

2315
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:00,520
think it's you know, part of it is the concepts

2316
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,920
of me not really knowing much outbalance and composure. The

2317
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,279
time of year of it coming out is great, and

2318
01:51:06,319 --> 01:51:09,399
maybe the fact that this wing of emo isn't in

2319
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:12,600
a great spot right now means that a good record

2320
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:17,079
goes a bit further with me. But going into this

2321
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:22,520
with very little expectation, I think this record is pretty good.

2322
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,800
Like that, there's things about it that I do really like.

2323
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,239
I mean, fundamentally, it really reminds me of maybe my

2324
01:51:31,359 --> 01:51:33,319
favorite of all the emo bands. But it's the one

2325
01:51:33,319 --> 01:51:36,640
where not encouraged to speak about so much anymore, even

2326
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:40,880
though it's so painfully obviously I did have some similar thoughts, yes, yeah,

2327
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,359
and it was it was really hard to make any

2328
01:51:43,359 --> 01:51:45,319
sort of notes or come with any views to this

2329
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,560
that didn't reference that band.

2330
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,039
Speaker 2: It reminds me of my least favorite stuff of that band, though,

2331
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:54,319
I think that's a thing the albums I'm less into.

2332
01:51:55,399 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can see that, Like, I mean, I

2333
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,199
think that is my preferred win of that cut. This

2334
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:03,479
feels fucking ridiculous, like if someone's listening, going, what are

2335
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,479
they talking about? But I think like there's a lot

2336
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,800
about this record that maybe it's more of an diamond

2337
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,079
on the scene that they come from, but there were

2338
01:52:12,079 --> 01:52:16,239
things about this record that I found refreshing in for

2339
01:52:16,319 --> 01:52:20,199
stuff in a similar field. Yeah, I mean again, fundamentally,

2340
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,600
it's sort of in the middle ground of like you know,

2341
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,159
Separation is a bit more raggedy, and it's kind of

2342
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:30,079
slightly closer to the pop punk of that time, like

2343
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,279
we made went full dreamy. I think, you know, the

2344
01:52:32,319 --> 01:52:35,279
perfect you know balance haha, they had in between these

2345
01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:38,000
albums is kind of what this album returns to. And

2346
01:52:38,039 --> 01:52:41,239
it's very definitive of balanced composure in that sense, and

2347
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:43,039
I think that's often what you want from a comeback album,

2348
01:52:43,079 --> 01:52:46,560
you know. And I think again, in their scene, they

2349
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,239
were often seen as one of the more sort of

2350
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:51,319
grown up sounding bands, like during that era, I think

2351
01:52:51,319 --> 01:52:52,600
they were kind of a band who were you know

2352
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:54,640
very much admired in sort of leading the way for

2353
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:56,720
some others, and I think, obviously now we have like

2354
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,520
an even more like you know, firmly grown up of

2355
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,079
balance and composure return into that. Well, I don't think,

2356
01:53:02,199 --> 01:53:05,119
you know, I don't find balanced composure too overbearing, And

2357
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:06,920
this is to their favor when it comes to like

2358
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,960
fucking her like sit down chat kind of adolescentism, you

2359
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,319
know what I mean. Like they're very I wasn't sure

2360
01:53:13,319 --> 01:53:15,640
about the kind of auto tune harmonies in the intro track,

2361
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,319
but I did like quite like some of the kind

2362
01:53:17,319 --> 01:53:19,560
of touches of electronics on the album, like the little

2363
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,880
intro and Ain't It Sweet? Before the guitar cords takeover,

2364
01:53:23,399 --> 01:53:28,279
it sounds great. This appum like those big high bass grooves.

2365
01:53:28,399 --> 01:53:31,079
The usage of acoustics like locked in with those or

2366
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:34,680
something like any means it's textured but also doesn't lack punch.

2367
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:37,159
I think this definitely, you know, it still feels like

2368
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:39,279
a rock band, for how wistful as it largely is

2369
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,079
pretty archetypal like will Yip in that regard, but I

2370
01:53:42,079 --> 01:53:45,479
think it's also maybe one of his his better you know,

2371
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,319
production works or as of you know, recent years.

2372
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't argue with any of that because

2373
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:51,560
I do agree. I do you think the album sounds

2374
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:52,000
really good?

2375
01:53:52,039 --> 01:53:54,239
Speaker 3: It is really texted. I don't know if i'd say

2376
01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:55,520
it has punch.

2377
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:57,239
Speaker 2: I think there are some songs I think like some

2378
01:53:57,239 --> 01:53:59,079
of like believe the Hype has a little bit more

2379
01:53:59,079 --> 01:53:59,720
punched into it that.

2380
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 1: I'll change my wording. I'll say it sounds very full,

2381
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,640
you know, and wain I'm thinking about that big bass

2382
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,239
lines and stuff like that that you know, they sound

2383
01:54:08,279 --> 01:54:08,960
really good in your head.

2384
01:54:09,039 --> 01:54:11,119
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound sparse and empty and a bit weedy.

2385
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,560
Speaker 2: It does sound like a full band with a lot

2386
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:16,840
of like really in ideas. And there's things like and

2387
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,119
this is why I like, I don't want to, you know,

2388
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:19,840
come down too hard on this album because it just

2389
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:23,319
I just didn't necessarily connect with it, like and that's

2390
01:54:23,319 --> 01:54:25,000
the thing is that there's so much I'm like, you know,

2391
01:54:25,079 --> 01:54:27,760
that is good, that that sounds really political and accomplished.

2392
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,239
Speaker 3: But I just I.

2393
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:31,279
Speaker 2: Found like there maybe some songs that kind of like

2394
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,279
blurred into one another and didn't stand out. Like I

2395
01:54:34,279 --> 01:54:35,800
believe the Hype is the one track if it really

2396
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,640
sounds out and I think sweet right at the start

2397
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:39,840
that that's a really that's like a good start off.

2398
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 3: Of that weird kind of intro track.

2399
01:54:43,079 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 2: There are moments where I kind of ah, there's there's

2400
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,920
glimmers of band's closure doing stuff that that does kind

2401
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,720
of catch my attention. And then a lot of it

2402
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,119
is very just kind of monochrome, and but that's by design.

2403
01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:53,960
It feels like a very nighttime album.

2404
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think certainly when you're saying, you know, a

2405
01:54:56,479 --> 01:54:58,800
lot of tracks blur together, I completely agree. But I

2406
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,560
think as a whole that kind of works as a

2407
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,840
sort of you know, it kind of it's a mood album.

2408
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,000
I think their mood piece, you know. And again I

2409
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,319
think a track like any means is you know, it's

2410
01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:10,239
well textured. I quite like the different sort of counter

2411
01:55:10,319 --> 01:55:12,960
melodies that exist in that song. I think for something

2412
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,119
that you know, it's a slow song, but it does

2413
01:55:15,239 --> 01:55:18,319
fill quite a lot of space, you know, and you know,

2414
01:55:18,359 --> 01:55:20,920
like Cross the Bear has that you know when he says,

2415
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,279
you know, the sky is falling down, and it has

2416
01:55:22,279 --> 01:55:24,079
that bassline at start, it does capture some of that

2417
01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:26,720
sort of you know, taking a moment to kind of

2418
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,479
take in the darkness, kind of momentous and like it's

2419
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:32,159
it's almost gothy like. Balance Composure aren't a goth band

2420
01:55:32,199 --> 01:55:34,720
at all, but they probably like Disintegration at least. Yeah,

2421
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,760
you'd imagine, you know, and I kind of you know,

2422
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:40,840
it's slowly suspended in space. It's you know, quite pretty. Yeah.

2423
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,159
Speaker 4: I think when I was saying earlier about things that

2424
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:46,079
I find refreshing about this record, the main thing is

2425
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:49,079
just the sound of it, because it's a great example

2426
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:53,079
of how to make your emo records sound big, full clear,

2427
01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:57,000
and there's no need to John Feldman it anymore like

2428
01:55:57,039 --> 01:55:59,600
will Yip, it's still probably the best guy working in

2429
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,600
this field. Like, even if you don't like the music

2430
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:03,880
they're in, you see his name on the credits and

2431
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,039
you kind of rest assured that it's going to sound good.

2432
01:56:06,279 --> 01:56:09,600
And so many emo bands, to be fair, the problem

2433
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:11,199
is sort of going away, but not that long ago.

2434
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,960
They all seem to sound really anemic and flimsy. But

2435
01:56:15,279 --> 01:56:17,840
Balanced Composure of managed to get a really warm, rich

2436
01:56:18,039 --> 01:56:21,159
production job here where every moving part could be heard.

2437
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:24,479
And there's again I'll sort of agree on what the

2438
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:26,960
standout songs are. I believe the hype any means cross

2439
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,399
to Bear. I do think those are the best songs,

2440
01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:33,319
and I think they are quite substantially helped by how

2441
01:56:33,439 --> 01:56:36,680
nice they sound, because it's an aspect of this record.

2442
01:56:36,439 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 1: That I like.

2443
01:56:37,159 --> 01:56:40,239
Speaker 4: I like that it's kind of austere and distant. I

2444
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:42,760
like that it isn't tuguing on its shirt and jumping

2445
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,640
in your face like a lot of emo does.

2446
01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:48,159
Speaker 1: But do more of that to cuff.

2447
01:56:48,479 --> 01:56:50,359
Speaker 4: But I do also think that over the course of

2448
01:56:50,359 --> 01:56:54,239
the record, maybe if there are a couple more moments

2449
01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:57,319
where the band let themselves pop a bit more, yeah,

2450
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,960
it might not be a sleepy yeah.

2451
01:57:00,359 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, lead foot to a bit like fade to

2452
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:05,079
Black for Emos, which I quite like. There's there's no

2453
01:57:05,239 --> 01:57:07,279
point really where this like puts its foot on the

2454
01:57:07,279 --> 01:57:09,960
pedal at all, Like you have to be in for slow,

2455
01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:12,159
hushed vibes, and I think, you know, meeting it on

2456
01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:15,760
its terms, it does have, you know, enough that is

2457
01:57:16,359 --> 01:57:19,439
clearly again well done in terms of the instrumentation and

2458
01:57:19,479 --> 01:57:22,920
the production to work in that sense, and I admire

2459
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,319
that quality about the record. I think the thing holding

2460
01:57:25,359 --> 01:57:28,640
me back from really liking balance and composure is, like

2461
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,079
I say, I just don't think they write catchy songs

2462
01:57:31,079 --> 01:57:35,640
at all like their ear of melody is very, very subdued.

2463
01:57:36,039 --> 01:57:38,720
I would say weak compared to again, the kind of

2464
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,079
let's say, the panthon of alternative rock bands that they're

2465
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:43,239
deriving from. It's probably more it's just not for me.

2466
01:57:43,319 --> 01:57:45,840
But like, while I find myself admiring the textures on

2467
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:49,439
this album, every melody this dude sings just sounds like

2468
01:57:49,479 --> 01:57:52,000
the same monotonous, apathetic this is what I'm going at

2469
01:57:52,039 --> 01:57:54,279
this is yeah, yeah, he's done on every song. He's

2470
01:57:54,359 --> 01:57:56,399
using the same two notes that he's summoned up from

2471
01:57:56,399 --> 01:57:59,279
sleep time, you know, a little more of myself. Towards

2472
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:01,840
the end, I found myself actually surprised that he'd move

2473
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:04,319
the notes slightly higher at that point, but my ears

2474
01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:06,319
perked up, like, oh, he's like he's lifted his gaze

2475
01:58:06,319 --> 01:58:11,520
off his shoes by an angle of about twenty degrees. Yeah.

2476
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,560
I mean, the thing I found with the melodies on

2477
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,520
this record was I like the tone of his voice,

2478
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:19,800
and when the melodies come in, I go, that sounds nice.

2479
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:23,920
I like the melancholic, like you say, sort of subdued

2480
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,159
quality to it. But on each re listen I had

2481
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:29,640
the same thought because I didn't remember it from last time.

2482
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:34,039
It wasn't like the one You're Dead, you know. Yeah,

2483
01:58:34,079 --> 01:58:35,800
It's like a song would come in and I go, oh,

2484
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,600
that sounds good, and I go, I've heard this record

2485
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:39,279
four times, I should know when the next song is

2486
01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:41,239
going to sound good or not, because.

2487
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 4: Wipes the memory each time. It's like the first time.

2488
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:47,039
Speaker 1: I think. That's That's how I feel about, you know,

2489
01:58:47,039 --> 01:58:50,279
Bounced Composia. They're a fine man of musicians, you know,

2490
01:58:50,359 --> 01:58:53,399
playing a genre of music that, for all of its delicacies,

2491
01:58:53,439 --> 01:58:56,840
is verse chorus based, and they've neversen to the occasion

2492
01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:00,439
when it comes to hooks and melody and adding magic

2493
01:59:00,479 --> 01:59:03,000
into that, like you know, supposedly central element of what

2494
01:59:03,039 --> 01:59:05,159
they're doing, and they never escalate. So it is just

2495
01:59:05,239 --> 01:59:08,079
kind of bloody. It's nice bloody, but you know, good

2496
01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:11,399
luck ever remembering a hook. But you know, because I

2497
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,319
guess I've never felt that way about balanced composure. I

2498
01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:16,520
can't imagine that would be very different here, you know,

2499
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,159
for people who do love you know, these first few records,

2500
01:59:20,199 --> 01:59:22,680
it's you know, it's not changed my feelings about them,

2501
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,800
so imagine it wouldn't change yours either.

2502
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,159
Speaker 2: That That's what I say when I send back to it.

2503
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:28,560
I feel like if you're a fan of this band,

2504
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,199
I think the sound probably does give you the kind

2505
01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:34,479
of grown up returning after a long time away kind

2506
01:59:34,479 --> 01:59:37,760
of warm feeling, even though it's like quite starkromnochromanal stair

2507
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:38,039
and all that.

2508
01:59:38,079 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 3: But you'll get what you want from it.

2509
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,479
Speaker 2: And for me, who didn't have the massive attachment, even

2510
01:59:42,479 --> 01:59:44,640
though I was coming round to them live, it's kind

2511
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,920
of like okay, yeah, Like again, I can't say it's

2512
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:49,640
bad or like doesn't sound good.

2513
01:59:49,479 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 3: But it just it just yeah, didn't connect.

2514
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do moody very well, you know, like that

2515
01:59:55,479 --> 01:59:58,960
those atmospheres on any means or closer to god, they're

2516
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,399
they're very rich, even when I don't think the songs

2517
02:00:01,399 --> 02:00:03,319
at their core like jump out at you that much.

2518
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:05,680
I think you know obviously again you mentioned it earli earlier.

2519
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:07,600
It's just in time for autumn. If if you don't

2520
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:10,279
personally lean so much in like the unto others direction

2521
02:00:10,359 --> 02:00:12,399
from last time, this could well be your kind of

2522
02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:15,199
you know album for the fall and leaves season. The

2523
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:18,600
next album we are crossing back over to this side

2524
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:22,960
of the Atlantic for high vis and guided tour. This

2525
02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:26,680
is an album number three from I guess you know,

2526
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:29,119
of these three bands here in our sort of more

2527
02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:31,479
punk adjacent section we have here more so I would

2528
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,840
say the band of the moment, like High Vis are

2529
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:37,439
definitely on a high in terms of ground swell of

2530
02:00:37,439 --> 02:00:40,079
like the last couple of years turning into something more

2531
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:43,079
like you know, public appeal. Sam, where would you gauge

2532
02:00:43,439 --> 02:00:45,600
High Vis being at in terms of, you know, kind

2533
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:46,239
of an ascension.

2534
02:00:46,439 --> 02:00:48,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the last twelve months have been

2535
02:00:48,359 --> 02:00:50,760
where their kind of rise has really started to class

2536
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,239
from that outbreaks up from last year and the sort

2537
02:00:53,239 --> 02:00:55,039
of the twelve months since it's just kind of been

2538
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:57,479
like the buzz around High Vis has started to go

2539
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:00,520
and again creep beyond title because they were like an

2540
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:02,560
alt rock band that hardcore kids love because they all

2541
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,279
came from a hardcore background, all the guys, and now

2542
02:01:05,279 --> 02:01:06,880
it's just kind of gone like, oh now everyone else

2543
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:09,239
who doesn't just you know, know them through their background,

2544
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:12,920
they've risen, and everyone who's into rock and punk all

2545
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,720
that is kind of like catching on. And Yeah, like

2546
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:17,960
I say, the excitement is there and it's all kind

2547
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:20,279
of crescendoing with this album.

2548
02:01:20,479 --> 02:01:22,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when we talk about bands who have

2549
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,520
you know, come out of the world of hardcore and

2550
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:28,680
definitely started to become you know, our kind of our

2551
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,239
very crucial central bands at the moment, certainly in the UK.

2552
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:33,359
I would say they're pretty much the one at the moment,

2553
02:01:33,479 --> 02:01:35,319
Like I, you know, I guess they came out that

2554
02:01:35,359 --> 02:01:36,840
sort of ven record still at the end of the

2555
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:39,159
last decade, which again I have to say, totally passed

2556
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:40,720
me by. I was not plugged into the scene at

2557
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:44,039
that stage. But by the time again the last like

2558
02:01:44,079 --> 02:01:48,000
eighteen months that has started to explode twenty twenty two's

2559
02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,399
Blending album again, like I sort of missed that album,

2560
02:01:50,439 --> 02:01:53,560
but then seeing them at Outbreak twenty twenty three, with

2561
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:55,920
only the strength of like a few cursory listeners to

2562
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:57,600
tracks on playlist, They're like, oh, they may sound cool,

2563
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:01,079
I'll check them out. It's the most youre a conversion

2564
02:02:01,479 --> 02:02:04,279
from just seeing a band live I have had in

2565
02:02:04,359 --> 02:02:07,520
like recent memory. It was the most like visible, holy fuck,

2566
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:09,439
what's happening here?

2567
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 2: Like loads of people because I just to the point

2568
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:13,720
I always thought they were pretty good and I was

2569
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:15,319
kind of like, you know, they're they were all kind

2570
02:02:15,359 --> 02:02:18,000
of like a rock punk bands, like I was like,

2571
02:02:18,039 --> 02:02:20,600
I'll catch them live at some point because they and

2572
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,600
they just always seem to be around, like they supported

2573
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:25,000
a lot of bands and just kind of existed a

2574
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:26,479
lot in the scene. So I was like, I'll catch them,

2575
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,199
and I still actually haven't for some reason. But then

2576
02:02:29,239 --> 02:02:31,640
that that outbreaks happened, and now it's kind of like, oh,

2577
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:34,119
all their shows are selling out and everyone is just

2578
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:36,039
like they're one of the hottest tickets.

2579
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and Blending, which you have. Many of

2580
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:41,680
the standout songs in that set came from I've I've

2581
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:43,920
fallen in love with it, like easily, far, far, and

2582
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,479
away one of the very best albums to do with

2583
02:02:46,479 --> 02:02:49,479
anything like punk or alternative rock released in this decade.

2584
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:52,600
I actually can't believe it's not bigger because like, again,

2585
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:55,079
maybe what I might have tuned out of before actually

2586
02:02:55,079 --> 02:02:57,079
like hearing or seeing hy Viz. But the idea of like, oh,

2587
02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,159
you know, they're a punk band, but they've gone oasis

2588
02:02:59,279 --> 02:03:01,640
or whatever, like the the press or pop byword for

2589
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,760
whatever would be that doesn't actually sound all that like

2590
02:03:05,359 --> 02:03:07,600
new or novel, like there's been tons of that. But

2591
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:10,239
then you like, yeah, but then you hear songs like

2592
02:03:10,319 --> 02:03:13,199
talk for Hours or zero one five to one or

2593
02:03:13,239 --> 02:03:14,920
Trauma Bonds, and you go like, oh, this is like

2594
02:03:15,239 --> 02:03:19,079
the kind of the mercurial ideal, like the spark of

2595
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:22,840
like actual identity and having their own stamp of creativity

2596
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,760
that lesser bands are missing. High Vis feel like, you know,

2597
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:28,199
so classic yet so contemporary at the same time, and

2598
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,600
you know there's inspiration from the past, but it's not

2599
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:33,000
a throwback. I love that record and I'm very happy

2600
02:03:33,039 --> 02:03:36,520
to be aboard the High Vis train. Album three, Guided Tour,

2601
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:38,880
I guess, feels like the first album where they're you know,

2602
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:43,239
established and have some expectations now and in a way

2603
02:03:43,239 --> 02:03:44,920
it's a bit of a test their metal because I mean,

2604
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:47,159
even the fact that it's called Guided Talk maybe you know,

2605
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:50,159
this album sounds a long way from a band like

2606
02:03:50,199 --> 02:03:52,720
you know, buckling under a certain pressure to do one

2607
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:56,319
thing or another. You know, it sounds very very assured.

2608
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:58,880
Elliott I have to like that there is a strange

2609
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:00,960
about in how they sound. To ask if you are

2610
02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:02,479
you know, interested in.

2611
02:04:02,479 --> 02:04:08,000
Speaker 4: Hi Viz well in the past, no, because every band

2612
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,359
that people would name checking in relation to them was

2613
02:04:10,359 --> 02:04:16,039
a band that I basically hate, sure Stone Roses or Oasis,

2614
02:04:16,079 --> 02:04:17,800
or I've ever sort of said the Happy Mondays, and

2615
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,079
I thought we are in the Year of Our Lord

2616
02:04:20,119 --> 02:04:24,000
twenty twenty two. Whenever Blended came. It's like we're praising

2617
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,560
a band for evoking the work of Bez.

2618
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: This is wrong, though, So that is some of the

2619
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:34,680
worst music that this quaint little isle I've not produced either.

2620
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:37,520
It's just for me.

2621
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:41,079
Speaker 4: That just translates into my head as going, oh, it's

2622
02:04:41,079 --> 02:04:44,279
going to sound like slaves or shame or something like that.

2623
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:47,279
Speaker 1: And I couldn't get my head around how do these

2624
02:04:47,439 --> 02:04:53,359
terrible ingredients get mixed into sort of hardcore adjacent alt

2625
02:04:53,439 --> 02:04:56,039
rock and come out sounding even halfway decent. And so

2626
02:04:56,119 --> 02:04:59,199
I was so disturbed by the idea that I didn't

2627
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:01,960
even bother to find forty minutes to find out if

2628
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,920
it was if it was a good one. And what's

2629
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:09,000
mad is going into this record? I thought it can't surely,

2630
02:05:09,319 --> 02:05:11,319
because I've seen some really positive years. I said, it

2631
02:05:11,359 --> 02:05:13,560
can't possibly sound like Black Grape. There's no way an

2632
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:15,960
album that sounds like Black Grape is getting any praise

2633
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:18,399
from anyone in twenty twenty four. And what's weird is

2634
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:21,159
all those things that people were saying.

2635
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,920
Speaker 4: But it sounded like the Stone Roses and Oasis and

2636
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:27,960
Happy Mondays or baggy music, all of that stuff. They

2637
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:33,800
are true and yet it's not shite.

2638
02:05:34,119 --> 02:05:37,399
Speaker 1: I'll take it. You know, I'm not a britpop fan

2639
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:40,319
by the time of you know, like I know, fucking

2640
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:44,079
Cast or whatever or like the Vogue, I don't know whatever,

2641
02:05:44,359 --> 02:05:47,800
but I do like, you know, you're obviously going like well,

2642
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:49,840
pre britpop, but I do like I really like that

2643
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:53,439
kind of late eighties early nineties UK. I like the

2644
02:05:53,439 --> 02:05:55,720
Stone Rose Has being the prime example, like the first

2645
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:57,159
time Rose Arm I think it's fucking great. Like I

2646
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:01,319
really like that sound in that material and hearing that

2647
02:06:01,359 --> 02:06:03,760
again in this kind of lens, Like if you loved

2648
02:06:04,119 --> 02:06:06,439
Hivi's on Blending, I don't think you'd exactly say it's

2649
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:08,000
more of the same, but it takes the kind of

2650
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:10,840
starting point and kind of you know, like Peppers, it

2651
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,000
with more color and I think more than ever on

2652
02:06:14,039 --> 02:06:16,560
this album. It's hard to say whether you would call

2653
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:19,439
Hi VI's a hardcore band, like even more than a

2654
02:06:19,439 --> 02:06:21,960
band like Turnstile. I think High VI's have kind of

2655
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,359
inflected what they do to the point that so often

2656
02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:29,880
the central focus is not hardcore, and yet hardcore is

2657
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:32,960
always somewhere kind of around the periphery. This album like

2658
02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:35,199
it does you know, it does like Madchester, it does

2659
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:38,159
post punk, this album does indie, It even does a

2660
02:06:38,199 --> 02:06:40,479
little bit of dance music at one point, and yet

2661
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:44,439
all through it they feel like a diy punk band.

2662
02:06:44,479 --> 02:06:46,680
Like that is a hard balance to pull off, I.

2663
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:48,920
Speaker 2: Think again, because again, I wouldn't say this album is

2664
02:06:49,479 --> 02:06:51,560
a hard crab by any means, but you can tell

2665
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,720
that they have all that they've all come through a

2666
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:57,159
background of hardcore, whether they like or whether they've played

2667
02:06:57,159 --> 02:07:01,119
in bands of it. That DNA is there, It's undeniable,

2668
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:03,800
and it basically what it just is exists. There is

2669
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,960
to rough up stuff I don't like in a way

2670
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,560
that will make me like it. And I think there

2671
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:13,600
is a confidence to how Hives execute every single second

2672
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:18,880
of this album that makes it like again, mispressure ingredients

2673
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,000
that on paper should not work and should sound like

2674
02:07:22,039 --> 02:07:23,840
one of the worst things to come out of the UK.

2675
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:27,279
It should sound like slaves and the worst of idols

2676
02:07:27,319 --> 02:07:29,600
and all of that kind of shite, and they've just

2677
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:32,319
gonna gone now, We're gonna make it fucking spectacular.

2678
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:34,479
Speaker 1: And they have. This record is great.

2679
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this album is just top notch.

2680
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:40,960
Speaker 4: It's like if you're had a master Chef challenge and

2681
02:07:41,359 --> 02:07:46,439
we've given you some hydrochloric acid an atom bond, Now,

2682
02:07:46,479 --> 02:07:50,640
can you make a crimebule? You think, well, no, I can't.

2683
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,039
And there are things in this record. I'm listening to

2684
02:07:53,079 --> 02:07:54,560
it and my brain's going, oh, that sounds a bit

2685
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:56,039
like this thing you hate. That sounds like that other

2686
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:58,279
thing you hate, and yet I'm enjoying it.

2687
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is the crew.

2688
02:08:01,439 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2689
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:03,359
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're coming out with the perspective of

2690
02:08:03,439 --> 02:08:05,680
like you get a very old intensation of like not

2691
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:07,680
liking a lot of the things and yet liking it.

2692
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:11,479
I come from, you know, I'm not a fucking a

2693
02:08:11,479 --> 02:08:15,560
mad for it devotee of happy Mondays or whatever. But

2694
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,560
I again, I like some of the reference points. I'm

2695
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:20,039
not adverse to some of the other ones. But I

2696
02:08:20,039 --> 02:08:24,159
do think they have just a special kind of character

2697
02:08:24,359 --> 02:08:27,880
to them, and they have a particularly magic quality where

2698
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:32,119
they are able to get beyond like they evoke the

2699
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,279
things you obviously gore, Like, yeah, that sounds like that,

2700
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:37,800
but that's not really the defining element about it. You know,

2701
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,800
they are able to kind of whip up something again

2702
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:42,479
kind of magic beyond that, like you know, the opening

2703
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:45,319
title track for me. As soon as that twinkling guitar

2704
02:08:45,359 --> 02:08:48,399
line comes in, you know, I felt the late eighties. Yeah,

2705
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:51,079
Manchester kind of jangle melody. I'm in their hands like

2706
02:08:51,159 --> 02:08:54,079
it's it's effer vescent. It sounds fucking excellent, but isn't.

2707
02:08:54,119 --> 02:08:56,199
There's a guitar part in the bridge that sounds like

2708
02:08:56,199 --> 02:08:59,239
the fucking nineteen seventy five in that song who I

2709
02:08:59,279 --> 02:09:02,439
don't like, you know, but that's there with with grit,

2710
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,239
you know, it's weird. And then drop me Out hits

2711
02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:07,960
and it's like, oh fuck yeah, like hardcore. I remember that,

2712
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:08,840
like guided to all that.

2713
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:11,159
Speaker 2: The whole track it is there is like arena rock

2714
02:09:11,239 --> 02:09:13,279
and kind of like big kind of polishing there, but

2715
02:09:13,319 --> 02:09:16,239
it's got a kind of slightly gloomy post punk thing.

2716
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,479
There's like twinkling guitars is there is just like great

2717
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:21,039
balance between pre elements and a kind of dark thing,

2718
02:09:21,399 --> 02:09:25,079
that real regional kind of vocal like thing where there's

2719
02:09:25,079 --> 02:09:28,239
so much character to it. And then they're like, if

2720
02:09:28,279 --> 02:09:31,159
you need a like I'll be your guide hook absolutely massive,

2721
02:09:31,159 --> 02:09:32,239
and I was like, this is really nice.

2722
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:34,560
Speaker 3: And then when drop Me Out comes in and you

2723
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:35,039
just kind of.

2724
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:37,880
Speaker 2: It gets rowdy as fuck and the guitars like they

2725
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:40,720
have that driven guess he gets that little bit of

2726
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:44,000
snarling these vocal and again like there's only enough character there.

2727
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:46,640
They kind of put that character into overdrive on drop

2728
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:49,079
Me Out, and I think, like, this is just you know,

2729
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:52,000
the most assured band knowing they are fucking knowing they're

2730
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,399
the fucking business and they are the coolest guys around,

2731
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:56,640
just kind of strating their stuff in the way that

2732
02:09:56,680 --> 02:09:59,960
you those kind of grippop bands did in the nineties,

2733
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:02,359
how they thought they were the fucking business. And I'm like,

2734
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:04,279
you know, I believe it with high viz on a

2735
02:10:04,319 --> 02:10:05,039
song like drop Me.

2736
02:10:05,039 --> 02:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Out and those guys in the britpop bands in the nineties,

2737
02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:10,760
one of the things that makes them so infuriating and

2738
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:13,520
unpleasant is that they think they're the hardest, best guys around.

2739
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:15,760
It's like, have you heard that you're in Blur? You

2740
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,840
don't get to strut about like that, I'm afraid And

2741
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:21,920
it's like again, this this vocalist, he evokes people like

2742
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,720
Damon albarn and Liam Gallagher and the guy from the

2743
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:29,159
Happy Mondays, which should be poison to my enjoyment of it,

2744
02:10:29,479 --> 02:10:35,000
but that sort of cold lip energy that he brings

2745
02:10:35,039 --> 02:10:37,560
to it and with that sort of hardcore in his DNA,

2746
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:42,239
just adding that bit of like big flakes of salt

2747
02:10:42,479 --> 02:10:45,000
in the mix where something like the way this record

2748
02:10:45,039 --> 02:10:48,319
opens with that jangly Madchester sound, I mean the stuff

2749
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:51,439
sort of adjacent to that's like I love the Smiths,

2750
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:53,720
I like Billy Bragg. You know there is things that

2751
02:10:54,279 --> 02:10:57,439
in the mix where I can recall that, and you know,

2752
02:10:57,479 --> 02:11:01,000
I'd actually mind the nineteen seventy five, but just having

2753
02:11:01,039 --> 02:11:05,319
that bit of edge to it, which I think bleeds

2754
02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:09,760
into the rest of the record, it makes all the difference. Yeah,

2755
02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:13,640
I mean it's it's a super grassroots kind of sound,

2756
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:15,840
like they're evoking things, but they never sound like they're

2757
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,560
kind of i don't know, like get above their station

2758
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:22,800
or wherever you want to put it. Like it's super

2759
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:25,560
that the there is a it's just very authentic. You know,

2760
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:28,920
it feels very very kind of as I say, kind

2761
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:32,640
of grassroots, and you know those having that as you

2762
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,800
put it, that kind of extra bite with as elements

2763
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:37,840
like when you get to like mob DLA later that's

2764
02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:40,199
a fucking wrecking ball. And like the production is really

2765
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:41,640
cool in this album, where it has this almost like

2766
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,079
acid inflected, kind of washed out kind of feel at times,

2767
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:46,800
like the guitar tone on a lot of those big

2768
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,399
distorted choruses. They're drawing more on some of those kind

2769
02:11:49,399 --> 02:11:52,000
of like again like kind of tripped out psychedelic type

2770
02:11:52,039 --> 02:11:53,720
styles at points that sound like you're, like, you know,

2771
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:55,720
in like in a big wind tunnel, turning on your head,

2772
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:57,840
like listen to how I know, like feeling blessed, Like

2773
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:01,960
the weird and psychedelic the chorused kind of guitar is there,

2774
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:04,920
but while still being like again something that you could

2775
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:08,680
mosh to it. It's like hard still and driving, and

2776
02:12:08,359 --> 02:12:11,800
they have this great quality that just seems kind of inextricable,

2777
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:14,640
where like, even if hardcore punk is actually like a

2778
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:18,079
minority in terms of the style being brought forward on

2779
02:12:18,359 --> 02:12:20,960
this album, these other styles like indie or whatever that

2780
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,800
they're kind of bringing in, they just feel like they

2781
02:12:23,800 --> 02:12:26,319
are playing them like a hardcore band, like that bit

2782
02:12:26,399 --> 02:12:29,359
of extra crack that like, you know, a pure kind

2783
02:12:29,359 --> 02:12:32,800
of modern indie band might not have. And and mob

2784
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:37,079
DLA kind of like you know, benefits in reverse, I suppose,

2785
02:12:37,079 --> 02:12:39,159
where like it's it's a punk song, but then it

2786
02:12:39,239 --> 02:12:42,680
also has this wonderful textural kind of vastness to it.

2787
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:46,039
So they're right, they're able to again that magic thing.

2788
02:12:46,039 --> 02:12:48,640
We're saying, Elliet that there are many examples out that

2789
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:50,640
you can find of bands trying to put these two

2790
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:54,119
things together and each one poisons the other. Right, this

2791
02:12:54,359 --> 02:12:58,239
is like the ah the synthesis. We are truly you know,

2792
02:12:58,319 --> 02:13:01,600
in the in the kind of middle of the sphere

2793
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:03,720
where it kind of works just.

2794
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,159
Speaker 2: A look urban grip to this album that makes all

2795
02:13:06,199 --> 02:13:08,319
these sort of things come together. Where again where it

2796
02:13:08,399 --> 02:13:10,399
is you know, a bit pretty in Indian times, it

2797
02:13:10,399 --> 02:13:13,960
always still feels a little rough, a little like stark

2798
02:13:14,039 --> 02:13:15,520
when you get like you know, the sort of Farringdon

2799
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:17,439
interluge where it's kind of this like kind of gloomy

2800
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:20,520
urban sounding thing that goes into mob Dla, which is

2801
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:23,439
like the most abrasive and mean they get kind of

2802
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:27,000
lurches around, but again has those pretty moments to it.

2803
02:13:27,079 --> 02:13:30,680
So it always know, it's how to sound vast and

2804
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:35,039
kind of like interesting and intricate without losing touch and

2805
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:36,960
kind of I said, having ideas about your station. It

2806
02:13:37,079 --> 02:13:39,000
just kind of can ground things and hit you in

2807
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,159
the face when it has to. And even again on

2808
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,520
that that comes over to tow songs like Mind's a Liar,

2809
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,399
where they go into kind of like nineties pop hooking

2810
02:13:46,479 --> 02:13:49,239
dance loops and they still keep that feeling a little

2811
02:13:49,279 --> 02:13:51,640
little rougher and a little kind of like in your face,

2812
02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:53,359
and all these sort of things just kind of constantly

2813
02:13:53,399 --> 02:13:56,720
combine in a way that's always really nice to listen to.

2814
02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 3: An interesting but never feels like too pretty.

2815
02:14:00,479 --> 02:14:02,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I listened to this album for the

2816
02:14:02,119 --> 02:14:04,800
first time, you know, getting on a bus just to

2817
02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:06,720
kind of head into central Liverpool and like you know,

2818
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:08,920
going past all the buildings and everything, and it's it's

2819
02:14:09,039 --> 02:14:11,880
very urban, it's very communal. It is kind of dark,

2820
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:14,439
but also you know, has has hope within it.

2821
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:19,279
Speaker 4: I mean, no one's referenced this band yet, but the

2822
02:14:19,279 --> 02:14:22,680
bit in mob d La where that lead line comes

2823
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:26,800
in and it sort of pretties up sounds like Coldplay and.

2824
02:14:28,039 --> 02:14:30,439
Speaker 1: I actually made that connection. But sure, well, I mean

2825
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:32,319
some people listening might be horrified. And I want to

2826
02:14:32,359 --> 02:14:32,960
say this after.

2827
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,439
Speaker 2: Arena rock stuff earlier, it's kind of like that's the

2828
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:39,159
sort of thing I kind of get at, Like.

2829
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't mind coldplaying small doses and a

2830
02:14:44,319 --> 02:14:46,560
splash of it. Here again for a band that I

2831
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:48,520
went in expecting really not to like a talk and

2832
02:14:48,560 --> 02:14:51,159
then halfway through, I'm going, yeah, coldplay, why not? Like

2833
02:14:53,319 --> 02:14:55,319
that happens across the record and with things I like

2834
02:14:55,359 --> 02:14:58,159
a lot more like there's You Take the Vocals off,

2835
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:01,199
Deserve It and the Canva. If it weren't played with

2836
02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:03,439
such grit, it could sound like something off Strange Ways

2837
02:15:03,439 --> 02:15:06,119
Here We Come, or Worth the Way Off Three Imaginary

2838
02:15:06,119 --> 02:15:08,199
Boys and There Were Minds. A Lie comes in.

2839
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:12,880
Speaker 4: And it's like British eighties into nineties pop, and I

2840
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:15,359
think it might be my favorite song on the record.

2841
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,399
And it strays further from anything I'd been told to

2842
02:15:18,439 --> 02:15:22,039
associate with High Viz before. It's just for a record

2843
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:26,960
that feels so grassroots and kind of humble might not

2844
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:31,479
even be the word, but like unpretentious in its ambitions.

2845
02:15:32,319 --> 02:15:34,920
They managed to be really out there with the influences

2846
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:35,439
they drag in.

2847
02:15:36,359 --> 02:15:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think there's definitely a very again, a

2848
02:15:39,279 --> 02:15:42,319
kind of an open minded approach that you can just

2849
02:15:42,399 --> 02:15:47,520
detect in these musicians. Again like you know, Graham's voice,

2850
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:49,520
He's been able to adopt kind of actual singing more,

2851
02:15:49,560 --> 02:15:52,199
which is proving very good at and guided tour. The

2852
02:15:52,199 --> 02:15:55,600
melody throughout that track a brilliant and very distinct to him.

2853
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:57,600
But he also adds this again, this kind of punk

2854
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:59,399
swing on the kind of if you need a line

2855
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:02,880
of and it just like knocks that out of the park.

2856
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:06,479
I love when he's able to again sprinkle in more melody,

2857
02:16:07,079 --> 02:16:09,560
just throw his kind of like shouty bark anyway, like

2858
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:12,319
in Drop Me Out or or mob Dla. Like it's

2859
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:14,960
music that feels just very infectious, kind of be in

2860
02:16:15,039 --> 02:16:20,159
a in a crowd like gone forever, get that.

2861
02:16:19,279 --> 02:16:21,840
Speaker 2: Out right, closing the set and everyone going when you're gone,

2862
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:22,359
You're gone forever.

2863
02:16:22,399 --> 02:16:24,840
Speaker 3: You won't be fucking missed. But that is what I

2864
02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:25,520
want to see.

2865
02:16:26,039 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it goes full post punk in terms

2866
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:30,880
of like you know, killing even like grave pleasures kind

2867
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:34,399
of forward like you know, regimented vitriolic motion on that

2868
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:38,799
like angry angry hook. The rhythm section really get it

2869
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:41,799
as well. Like again, those those kind of the same

2870
02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:44,120
kind of grooves that to me make like classic Stone

2871
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:46,520
Roses songs feel very like effortless then kind of they're

2872
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:48,920
formally missing a little bit in music recently, like stuff

2873
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:51,360
like Feeling Blasts and that bassline very much has it.

2874
02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:54,239
But then again the same minds a Lie, which we

2875
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:56,639
spoke about as a single taking whatever that like chopped

2876
02:16:56,719 --> 02:17:00,280
up vocal sample and beat. It is much more like

2877
02:17:00,319 --> 02:17:02,239
you with expecting some kind of like UK dance or

2878
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:05,479
house music, but bouncing that off like one of the

2879
02:17:05,559 --> 02:17:11,520
more desperate hardcore performances from Graham. It works like shockingly well,

2880
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:14,239
and it just sounds really really cool as hell, and

2881
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:16,920
it just the album the blend as this sort of

2882
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:19,440
quality that just kind of, you know, it seems to

2883
02:17:19,479 --> 02:17:21,280
just bounce with life, even though it is engaging with

2884
02:17:21,319 --> 02:17:23,959
a lot of troubled stuff. And it's so much more

2885
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:27,760
musically literate than just the britpop thing, like you know,

2886
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:31,000
the Oasis thing isn't even like ten percent of this album.

2887
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:33,360
It's I mean, for me, it's it's kind of novel

2888
02:17:33,399 --> 02:17:37,559
to have this in terms of like, you know, every

2889
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:39,479
release week of the year, I have some like death

2890
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:41,959
or black metal record to check out, but the day

2891
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:44,000
High Vis release this album, it's like the one thing

2892
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:45,879
on my calendar that will do this this way. And

2893
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:47,360
I know there are other bands who you know, can

2894
02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:50,600
dabble with these sounds, but getting that blend right where

2895
02:17:50,600 --> 02:17:52,559
it's gonna appeal to it people like me and Elliott,

2896
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:56,319
you know, very different sounding bands. But this and the

2897
02:17:56,360 --> 02:17:58,840
Temple of Angels album last year, I like the only

2898
02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:02,120
band who reaching knee at the moment who would give

2899
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:03,760
me this kind of fix of again sort of eighties

2900
02:18:03,799 --> 02:18:07,440
alternative inflected I guess modern you know, alternative rock or

2901
02:18:07,479 --> 02:18:10,920
punk thing, and it's not derivative or diam a dozen

2902
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:14,280
or some bizarre impersonation. It actually seems to have a

2903
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:15,879
kind of a magic of its own.

2904
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2905
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:18,639
Speaker 2: I mean, for me the most recently, this My Moment

2906
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:20,200
is like the Military Gun album. I think is that

2907
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:22,479
this is quite a close companion to that of being

2908
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:25,559
a band who are like from hardcore doing a kind

2909
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:28,559
of like bringing in all other kind of influence. Obviously

2910
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:31,399
this is a very kind of US inflected one, but

2911
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:34,159
again you can still feel that that owaysis britpop. Anyone's

2912
02:18:34,159 --> 02:18:36,799
on Military Gun and I really liked that album, but

2913
02:18:36,840 --> 02:18:40,079
I think as a whole there's more going on with

2914
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:42,120
high Vs on this album where they're they're they're they're

2915
02:18:42,159 --> 02:18:45,719
putting in more interesting ideas and taking more creative swings.

2916
02:18:45,719 --> 02:18:48,040
Speaker 3: That does make it stand out more.

2917
02:18:48,079 --> 02:18:51,079
Speaker 2: And I think beyond a couple of the big bangers

2918
02:18:51,079 --> 02:18:53,520
on that Military Gun album, there's more that I'm going

2919
02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:54,879
to sort of remember and it's going to stick with

2920
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:55,680
me this time round.

2921
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really agree. I think of bands, you know,

2922
02:18:58,520 --> 02:19:00,600
coming from hardcore doing more of that old thing, I

2923
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:03,200
think they're the best right now by a mile. And

2924
02:19:03,559 --> 02:19:07,159
again it's very unavoidably English, but you know, they've not

2925
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:09,120
been limited to the UK and their success. They are

2926
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:11,799
getting places in you know, in America and I'm.

2927
02:19:11,719 --> 02:19:14,319
Speaker 2: Pretty sure is it pretty of a sound whatever? That

2928
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:17,399
like men, that's when Europe is. They're on that lineup

2929
02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:20,639
alongside like, you know, the only other bands marking they

2930
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:22,680
are kind of there are like Turnstile and Chappar maybe

2931
02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:25,360
a few hours, but that's the company they're finding themselves in.

2932
02:19:25,399 --> 02:19:28,799
Speaker 3: You know, the real cool kids of our world High

2933
02:19:28,879 --> 02:19:29,479
Vis are in there.

2934
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's really deserved. I think it's

2935
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:36,280
this album has not quite got a trauma bonds, which like, honestly,

2936
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:38,760
if we're talking about the songs from the past five years,

2937
02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:42,079
that are in that category of like absolutely perfect rock

2938
02:19:42,159 --> 02:19:44,399
songs that again I feel they should like be even

2939
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:47,040
bigger than the band who wrote them that's on the list,

2940
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:50,799
but super cool band and they really feel they've hit

2941
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:52,760
their form now and kind of what they're offering, so

2942
02:19:53,319 --> 02:19:55,799
you should definitely check out if you haven't already, High

2943
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:59,399
Vis and their album Guided Tour. Then we move again

2944
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:02,200
in this little segment to a band called Touche Moray

2945
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:05,239
who released an album called Spiral in a straight Line

2946
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:08,840
and like I said in quite a young leaning, your

2947
02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:12,920
contemporary leaning episode, Touche are, like I guess, are veterans

2948
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:16,719
from the punk world in this episode six albums deep

2949
02:20:16,959 --> 02:20:18,840
now and they are a band who I think at

2950
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:21,399
this stage, you know, they've earned their dues in terms

2951
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:23,159
of like the scene from which they grew out of

2952
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:25,639
sam when they put them on at like an Outbreak

2953
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:28,600
for example, they've kind of started to cross over into

2954
02:20:28,719 --> 02:20:30,079
something approaching legend status.

2955
02:20:30,120 --> 02:20:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah now right, No, they are outbreak royalty, like you

2956
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:35,719
put on any kind of ulk. They were sound of

2957
02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:38,000
and they were like the secret band on that or

2958
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:39,799
like the US versions of this, and it was kind

2959
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,280
of like one of the raid about sets that touche

2960
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:45,239
more rocked up to just play this raucous like hardcore

2961
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:49,319
festival that they they are, you know of this the

2962
02:20:49,479 --> 02:20:52,879
the that wave of melodic hardcore bands that I hold

2963
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,879
so dearly that came in the sort twenty tens that

2964
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:56,360
that was the sort of the side of email things

2965
02:20:56,440 --> 02:20:58,760
I really got into, you know, that dispute to cha

2966
02:20:58,840 --> 02:21:02,680
Mora Defeata on that kind of wayver bands that was

2967
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:04,760
more my like Emai sound because I was.

2968
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:05,440
Speaker 3: So into hardcore.

2969
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,079
Speaker 2: Two Shamura the ones who have kind of like whether

2970
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:10,120
that really gone on to just be the kind of

2971
02:21:10,239 --> 02:21:14,239
like respected legends, sort of status band of that scene.

2972
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they've definitely they've carved out a

2973
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,559
space themselves where you know, plenty of people would tell

2974
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:22,360
you that they are one of, if not the best,

2975
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,479
to grace that scene in like the last twenty years.

2976
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:27,319
Would probably still be described as one of the more

2977
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:30,440
consistent bands in that plane. Like, I think it's probably

2978
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:33,079
about right to say that they've never had a poorly

2979
02:21:33,239 --> 02:21:37,159
received album, you know, you know, like Black Darley Murder

2980
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:39,159
for people with flower tattoos, you know, like those kind

2981
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:45,000
of models on their consistency. And again, Sam, you're very

2982
02:21:45,079 --> 02:21:47,159
much one of those voices who would have to share

2983
02:21:47,239 --> 02:21:49,040
more as like one of the leaders in their kind

2984
02:21:49,079 --> 02:21:51,000
of scene for the past fifteen to twenty years. So

2985
02:21:51,079 --> 02:21:53,000
for someone like you, you know, I mean, this album

2986
02:21:53,079 --> 02:21:54,719
is a bit like throwing you a treat compared to

2987
02:21:54,760 --> 02:21:57,159
some of the other shit we have in this episode, Elliott,

2988
02:21:57,159 --> 02:21:58,719
I don't think we've discussed it, but I wouldn't be

2989
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:00,559
surprised if you also like a bit of a soft

2990
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:02,120
spot forty JM. Yeah.

2991
02:22:02,159 --> 02:22:06,280
Speaker 4: I think of all their peers, the absolute best records

2992
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:08,680
are by two share More, and I don't know if

2993
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:11,719
there is dependently I don't know if it was consistent

2994
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,639
as some people make out. I do think they are

2995
02:22:13,639 --> 02:22:15,760
a bit more up and down than that, in that

2996
02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:19,079
Passing the Sea is one of the best melodic hardcore

2997
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:19,959
records they've.

2998
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:22,200
Speaker 3: Got like two tens, and then everything else has gone

2999
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:23,120
like eights and nines.

3000
02:22:23,719 --> 02:22:26,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair, like is Survived by

3001
02:22:26,639 --> 02:22:29,399
I don't really listen to almost ever go.

3002
02:22:29,559 --> 02:22:34,399
Speaker 3: Back to it really good. Actually, I insured by massively overlooked.

3003
02:22:34,360 --> 02:22:39,360
Speaker 4: All right deal, and I think Stage four is not

3004
02:22:39,559 --> 02:22:41,879
just their best work, but it's one of the best,

3005
02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:46,840
like hardcore hardcore adjacent records, certainly of the twenty tens

3006
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:51,239
likely ever. Yeah, it's just absolutely one of.

3007
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 3: My favorite albums of all time. Stage four.

3008
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:54,520
Speaker 2: I think it is like one of the most important

3009
02:22:54,559 --> 02:22:57,440
albums to me. Listen to my top twenty albums being

3010
02:22:57,760 --> 02:22:59,319
from a while back, like it's all there.

3011
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:02,559
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and when I was doing my top albums

3012
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:05,319
of the twenty tens, it was right high up in

3013
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:08,159
the conversation, and that was that wasn't just rock and

3014
02:23:08,239 --> 02:23:11,520
metal that was across seen. Stage four was at the

3015
02:23:11,559 --> 02:23:15,040
business end of it. Lament I really liked at the.

3016
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:16,760
Speaker 1: Time, and I still think that's great moments, but I

3017
02:23:16,760 --> 02:23:18,680
haven't really gone back to it, so they might be

3018
02:23:18,959 --> 02:23:21,000
a bit more up and down for me than they

3019
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:23,840
are for other people. But I would agree that the

3020
02:23:23,959 --> 02:23:28,719
best stuff by them is the best stuff full stop. Yeah.

3021
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:30,360
I mean I can largely defer to the both of

3022
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:32,799
you then, because I don't like two scha Moury because

3023
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:35,399
the kind of post hardcore that Sam the wave of

3024
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:38,840
Bandgy describing that you know, leans far wobblers like the

3025
02:23:39,159 --> 02:23:41,920
Yelp emo poets. You know, that's my least favorite kind

3026
02:23:41,959 --> 02:23:45,000
of hardcore. I do observe, though, when you know a

3027
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:47,040
TUO say Murray feels like a landmark, and when it

3028
02:23:47,159 --> 02:23:48,760
just kind of feels like another two Share Moray album.

3029
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:53,559
Stage four and twenty sixteen very obviously the landmark Twochee

3030
02:23:53,559 --> 02:23:56,440
album at least of the TNM era, but arguably of

3031
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:59,000
everything they've done. That is clearly the point when their

3032
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:01,600
wings had spread in to you being, as you say,

3033
02:24:01,799 --> 02:24:03,479
one of the most acclaimed bands in all of heavy

3034
02:24:03,559 --> 02:24:05,360
music at that point, not just in their kind of small,

3035
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:08,479
dedicated scene. The follow up twenty twenty is lament a

3036
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:11,879
well liked record amongst fans, probably but very noticeably not

3037
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:16,399
garnering the same level of crossover conversation and splash that

3038
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:19,360
Stage four had made. And again, even now, looking at

3039
02:24:19,399 --> 02:24:21,559
some of the writing around this new album, the Kerrang

3040
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,000
review of this album, for example, I'm going to get.

3041
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:25,239
Speaker 2: Into this because this is this is one of my

3042
02:24:25,319 --> 02:24:27,040
sort of things with two Share more at the moment

3043
02:24:27,159 --> 02:24:28,280
where I kind of get a bit like that.

3044
02:24:28,360 --> 02:24:30,680
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, i'd say Stage four is positioned as

3045
02:24:30,719 --> 02:24:33,319
the masterpiece that now everything else has to kind of

3046
02:24:33,319 --> 02:24:35,920
follow up, And I would ask if that's fair, and

3047
02:24:35,959 --> 02:24:38,399
obviously sadly you probably disagree, but I would say, it's

3048
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:43,079
pretty observable fact in terms of how vocal and animated

3049
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:47,719
the response to an album is. Stage four was the moment.

3050
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:50,399
We are now in a sort of post Stage four

3051
02:24:50,520 --> 02:24:53,879
period where you know, I guess, you know, throw it

3052
02:24:53,959 --> 02:24:56,639
out there, how like you know, big an event or

3053
02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:59,559
like hard hitting? Does a two share more album have

3054
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:01,680
to be he kind of you know, for you to

3055
02:25:01,799 --> 02:25:05,000
really make it, you know of note and not just

3056
02:25:05,159 --> 02:25:05,639
as I say, I.

3057
02:25:05,639 --> 02:25:07,559
Speaker 2: Know they're too shame more out so like again, like

3058
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:09,840
because my argument the whole Stage four thing now is

3059
02:25:09,959 --> 02:25:11,959
like you, they can never replicate Stage four.

3060
02:25:12,239 --> 02:25:13,120
Speaker 3: It can't be done.

3061
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:16,360
Speaker 2: You can't ask Jeremy to perform that trauma again because

3062
02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:19,360
if she's Stage four is now Matt was written in

3063
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:21,920
the immediate aftermath of his mother dying. It is him

3064
02:25:22,239 --> 02:25:25,000
letting all of those feelings out there in the rawest,

3065
02:25:25,719 --> 02:25:29,239
most unrestrained way possible, and it comes together with them

3066
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:32,479
just kind of finding magic in a way. I don't

3067
02:25:32,520 --> 02:25:34,959
think you can expect bands to necessarily be able to

3068
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:35,840
replicate that again.

3069
02:25:36,280 --> 02:25:38,239
Speaker 3: Now, Like that's not say that like.

3070
02:25:38,879 --> 02:25:40,760
Speaker 2: Lament and this are as good as Stage four, even

3071
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:43,680
if you remove that aspect from it. But I do

3072
02:25:43,879 --> 02:25:45,879
kind of I'm geting to a point on like stop

3073
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:47,840
asking every two show more I abum to be stage

3074
02:25:47,879 --> 02:25:49,760
four because it can't be done.

3075
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:52,840
Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, I think that that's very very

3076
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:56,959
that's that's very very reasonable, you know, request stop asking that,

3077
02:25:57,799 --> 02:25:59,879
let's just put it onto again. So basically, how you know,

3078
02:26:00,239 --> 02:26:03,319
high up in terms of like, you know, great records,

3079
02:26:03,399 --> 02:26:05,760
are we talking the kind of you know, the post

3080
02:26:05,799 --> 02:26:06,920
stage for era being well?

3081
02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:08,920
Speaker 2: I still think they. I think both Lament and this

3082
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:13,040
are still both fantastic. I think they are again there's

3083
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:15,440
not anything that if you I think the thing with

3084
02:26:15,479 --> 02:26:17,280
this album is there's nothing you're gonna hear on this

3085
02:26:17,719 --> 02:26:20,079
like I've never heard two Shame where I do that before. Wow,

3086
02:26:20,159 --> 02:26:23,600
It's it's they've kind of just they found what they've

3087
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:25,520
really defined their sound as in the kind of the

3088
02:26:25,639 --> 02:26:29,159
sort of prettiest version of like what hardcore punk can

3089
02:26:29,239 --> 02:26:33,440
be with that fraw, emotional core, and they just kind

3090
02:26:33,440 --> 02:26:34,840
of go like, we're just gonna keep doing that.

3091
02:26:34,959 --> 02:26:37,440
Speaker 3: In ways that sounds to me fucking amazing.

3092
02:26:37,639 --> 02:26:40,200
Speaker 2: But whether people are kind of like happy for them

3093
02:26:40,239 --> 02:26:42,079
to kind of do that and not reinvent themselves or

3094
02:26:42,159 --> 02:26:45,040
not you know, create a new kind of like deep

3095
02:26:45,159 --> 02:26:47,239
level of trauma that they have to perform for you,

3096
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:50,239
like if that's gonna be enough. Like some people might

3097
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:53,200
see this as you know, kind of like maybe diminishing

3098
02:26:53,239 --> 02:26:54,959
returns or maybe them we just kind of settling in.

3099
02:26:55,719 --> 02:26:57,600
But if this is two Shamuri settling in, then they're

3100
02:26:57,639 --> 02:26:59,959
still better than all their peers by such a long.

3101
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:04,920
Speaker 4: I think to compare it to another hardcore band, I've

3102
02:27:05,479 --> 02:27:08,799
I wasn't around or certainly not conscious of when this happened.

3103
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:10,879
I feel people say that when You Fail Me came out,

3104
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:14,639
there were continued converged fans who thought, this isn't this

3105
02:27:14,760 --> 02:27:17,639
isn't Jane Doe, this isn't as monumental as that record is.

3106
02:27:18,159 --> 02:27:20,479
And I think that's even more true for something like

3107
02:27:20,559 --> 02:27:23,719
No Heroes, where it's you listen to it and you

3108
02:27:23,799 --> 02:27:26,840
don't think, oh, I mean it's don't get me wrong.

3109
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:31,399
All those records are incredibly good, but Jane Doe represents something,

3110
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:34,600
and then the two that followed it maybe aren't as

3111
02:27:35,399 --> 02:27:36,840
archetypal in the same way.

3112
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:40,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd throw out for more, you know, again, within

3113
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:42,680
our time people say that about like all we lovely behind,

3114
02:27:43,239 --> 02:27:45,399
or like one of Us as the Killer from Dillinger,

3115
02:27:45,639 --> 02:27:48,319
which I think are both you know, very very fucking

3116
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:51,159
great records. Yeah, and in the case of both those bands,

3117
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:54,319
they would do the thing for me. And two shim

3118
02:27:54,399 --> 02:27:56,559
or when we'll get into this record a second, but

3119
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:59,920
with partner with Lament, I think these records are very good.

3120
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:04,719
But I don't need another Stage four. But I can't

3121
02:28:04,799 --> 02:28:07,959
help but hope for something that makes me that excited again,

3122
02:28:08,159 --> 02:28:09,920
in the way that when The Dusk in Us came out,

3123
02:28:10,200 --> 02:28:13,799
I just went mad and acts to fall earlier dissociation

3124
02:28:13,879 --> 02:28:16,760
in twenty sixteen. You don't need the same thing that

3125
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:19,680
happened before, the same kind of emotional response, but something

3126
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:23,079
to excite you. And this record, like Clement, I think

3127
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:27,079
it's it's another very good two show record for me,

3128
02:28:27,479 --> 02:28:30,959
but it's in like you say, it's in the less

3129
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:34,959
remarkable camp than the two they have, which just dominate

3130
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:39,600
the conversation. Yeah, obviously, because I'm not trying to you know,

3131
02:28:40,159 --> 02:28:41,799
beat them with her Why can't you make a Stage

3132
02:28:41,799 --> 02:28:44,280
four again, because that's fucking insane. But I think I

3133
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:46,040
am just trying to guess cut through to the idea

3134
02:28:46,079 --> 02:28:49,000
of like when is a tuche Ami album, a properly

3135
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,920
special event record, and when is it's kind of like, yeah,

3136
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:53,600
you know, if you're a fan, you'll probably like this

3137
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:55,520
one as well, you know, and that does feel a

3138
02:28:55,559 --> 02:28:57,520
little bit like where we've been with Touch Mori in

3139
02:28:58,040 --> 02:29:01,040
you know, in this decade so far, I mean, like.

3140
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:02,239
Speaker 3: My favorite one of my favorite bands.

3141
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Yeah, for sure. My association with Lament

3142
02:29:06,920 --> 02:29:08,159
is you know, it's the one that went to you

3143
02:29:08,239 --> 02:29:11,479
do with Ross Robinson and maybe as a buffer from

3144
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:14,559
something like Stage Four, which is just so nakedly unfiltered.

3145
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:16,959
It had some of those kind of you know, noisier

3146
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:20,040
left field texts maybe that you'd expect, which, despite my

3147
02:29:20,159 --> 02:29:21,760
lack of interest in them, I would also be like, oh,

3148
02:29:21,799 --> 02:29:23,159
that's cool, they've gone and you know, kind of done

3149
02:29:23,159 --> 02:29:25,479
something like that. I was quite struck actually to see

3150
02:29:25,479 --> 02:29:28,079
that this album was also recorded with Ross Robinson, because

3151
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:30,639
Ross feels like, I don't know, in the modern day,

3152
02:29:30,639 --> 02:29:32,879
a lot of bands go with him make one kind

3153
02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:34,600
of ugly, strange album when they get out of their

3154
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:37,239
systems a bit and then move on. Touche have actually

3155
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:39,879
like struck up a creative partnership with you, which is

3156
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:43,239
a kind of novel for you know any band today

3157
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:46,639
as the big you know two sha kind of fans.

3158
02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:48,959
Following they continued to work like is that what you'd want?

3159
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:51,559
Speaker 2: Well, again, I saw who I really like them and

3160
02:29:51,639 --> 02:29:53,040
and I was kind of like one of the sort

3161
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,760
bigger championship when that came out. And again I think

3162
02:29:54,799 --> 02:29:56,920
there are songs from that that when you saw Matt

3163
02:29:57,360 --> 02:30:00,440
Outbreak have kind of sit alongside the classics. Well yeah, no,

3164
02:30:00,559 --> 02:30:02,719
I think I actually feel communicating and that the best

3165
02:30:02,760 --> 02:30:05,079
of Lament has stood the test and kind of feels

3166
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,239
like it is earned its place in the set that

3167
02:30:07,319 --> 02:30:10,239
maybe again some of that is survived by hasn't quite

3168
02:30:10,719 --> 02:30:12,760
so I'm happy for them to continue down that kind

3169
02:30:12,799 --> 02:30:16,399
of direction. And this does feel like again just kind

3170
02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:18,719
of a firm explanation of the sort of sounds are

3171
02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:20,600
playing with a bit more on Lament. There's a bit

3172
02:30:20,680 --> 02:30:23,399
more of the sort of post punk shimmeriness on there

3173
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:23,959
at times.

3174
02:30:24,520 --> 02:30:26,840
Speaker 3: It's not as always at it.

3175
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:29,719
Speaker 2: They slow down a little more and they kind of

3176
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:33,360
experiment around with like tempos and textures in ways that

3177
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:35,639
they didn't necessarily do prior.

3178
02:30:36,559 --> 02:30:38,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I heard they were going back to Ross Robinson,

3179
02:30:39,799 --> 02:30:41,479
I can't like part of me. As much as I

3180
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:43,360
love Ross Robinson, part of me did go off a

3181
02:30:43,479 --> 02:30:49,000
fuck because Lament by smothering it just that little bit

3182
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:51,520
too much. It was like a very very mild case

3183
02:30:51,559 --> 02:30:55,120
of what happened on Golden Gray, where with that record

3184
02:30:55,280 --> 02:30:56,639
you just got I don't know if this is a

3185
02:30:56,680 --> 02:30:59,319
good record or not, because I can only pay attention

3186
02:30:59,479 --> 02:31:01,719
for the first dozen listens, or you can pay attention

3187
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,760
is to to is the production. Lament had a slight

3188
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:06,520
bit of that. For what it's just about this record

3189
02:31:06,639 --> 02:31:08,079
is maybe Ross.

3190
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:10,840
Speaker 4: Robinson was hazing them that time, because on this album

3191
02:31:11,360 --> 02:31:14,600
they've kind of gone back to something moreck in to

3192
02:31:14,719 --> 02:31:17,360
what they were doing before Lament. I think there's a

3193
02:31:17,440 --> 02:31:24,840
much more shimmery, clean, well produced record, and to the

3194
02:31:24,879 --> 02:31:27,360
point where I could imagine listening to this and not

3195
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:30,280
even knowing that Ross Robinson is working with him again.

3196
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:32,680
Speaker 1: That was my thought. I thought it was was not

3197
02:31:32,799 --> 02:31:35,360
as kind of antagonistic as I might have expected in

3198
02:31:35,440 --> 02:31:37,120
that regard. I think, you know, it was like nobody's

3199
02:31:37,159 --> 02:31:40,000
at the start, nice upbeat guitar and they're very locked

3200
02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:42,319
in band rhythmically, and you know, the drum sounds and everything.

3201
02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:44,479
They're actually very neat and kind of like all them

3202
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:45,600
all in their correct but.

3203
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:48,159
Speaker 2: Then when you get disasters immediately after and that that

3204
02:31:48,319 --> 02:31:50,559
does kind of get a bit more like at ya sure.

3205
02:31:50,360 --> 02:31:52,120
Speaker 1: But I mean I think it is one of Ross's

3206
02:31:52,159 --> 02:31:55,079
more you know, tasteful, restrained production jobs of his like

3207
02:31:55,159 --> 02:31:58,719
latter career, the albums are still short. You know that

3208
02:31:58,959 --> 02:32:01,520
this is just over minutes, but you know, I think

3209
02:32:01,559 --> 02:32:04,399
you throw your mind back to you know, their first

3210
02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:07,440
couple of records or whatever, which you could often twenty minutes. Yeah,

3211
02:32:07,440 --> 02:32:09,120
I think I think you can see how on something

3212
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,239
like this Touche are you know, in their kind of

3213
02:32:11,559 --> 02:32:16,399
slightly later years, a much more measured and atmospherically focused

3214
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:18,920
band than they were early on, when it was a

3215
02:32:18,959 --> 02:32:20,239
lot more about that kind of sort of like rabid

3216
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:22,760
mood from one thing to another. And they can even

3217
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:24,479
you know, for it's still a fairly diy you strip

3218
02:32:24,639 --> 02:32:27,799
back punk band, they can touch on some sense of scale,

3219
02:32:27,879 --> 02:32:29,360
like you know, something like you know, very a propectly

3220
02:32:29,399 --> 02:32:31,760
titled altitude. You know that chorus does feel like it

3221
02:32:31,799 --> 02:32:34,639
has to do real kind of verticality to it in

3222
02:32:35,079 --> 02:32:35,479
the sound.

3223
02:32:35,879 --> 02:32:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think that the sort of the ashishy

3224
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:40,959
nicely between Like again, Nobody Amos feels like the kind

3225
02:32:40,959 --> 02:32:43,920
of like perfect middle ground of like slightly biggest sanding

3226
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:46,639
touche with a little bit of punk energy, but it's

3227
02:32:46,680 --> 02:32:48,639
not as kind of fully out and then Disasters kind

3228
02:32:48,639 --> 02:32:51,440
of like rips at you and goes full on punk attack,

3229
02:32:51,479 --> 02:32:53,360
and then you know, you get how Ashby it kind

3230
02:32:53,399 --> 02:32:57,000
of sets back into a very nice, monodically pleasant thing

3231
02:32:57,079 --> 02:32:58,559
with a little bit of that punk pace, but they

3232
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:01,559
just run their scope and and this a'm just sits nicer,

3233
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:03,440
where like there's a nice back and forth between the

3234
02:33:03,479 --> 02:33:06,719
sort of broader sounding stuff that is like bigger in

3235
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:09,000
scope and the stuff that makes me want to, you know,

3236
02:33:09,319 --> 02:33:11,159
add outbreak festival jump off the stage.

3237
02:33:11,479 --> 02:33:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean haw Ashby actually has a slight sort

3238
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:16,200
of jangle pop quality that like you know, you might

3239
02:33:16,280 --> 02:33:18,680
not be surprised to see on the high Viz record,

3240
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,680
like it's you know it's it's it's more melodically challenged obviously,

3241
02:33:21,719 --> 02:33:23,680
but it has that genuine kind of major key pop

3242
02:33:23,719 --> 02:33:26,520
saysilly to how it sounds, but that you know it's

3243
02:33:26,760 --> 02:33:29,600
coming after Disasters and you like that and that and

3244
02:33:29,719 --> 02:33:32,360
Mezzanine are you know when they add some of that

3245
02:33:32,479 --> 02:33:36,959
kind of old scream oh thrashing intensity into something with

3246
02:33:38,200 --> 02:33:39,760
you know, turn up the distortion on that a lot

3247
02:33:39,799 --> 02:33:41,200
more and sort the vocals out, and that you know,

3248
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:43,520
disasters could be like old oath Breaker or something, or

3249
02:33:43,559 --> 02:33:45,879
at least like you know, Defeata, like something that has

3250
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:48,159
a little bit more kind of crust pace in it.

3251
02:33:48,280 --> 02:33:49,920
And those are the kind of moments where I can,

3252
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:51,360
you know, I can go with it a little bit more.

3253
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:55,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this record is a really good understanding

3254
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:58,319
of push and pull, which Touche I've always heard and

3255
02:33:58,399 --> 02:34:00,000
it's nice to see that present and correct.

3256
02:34:00,239 --> 02:34:02,399
Speaker 1: Like nobody's a really strong open how Ashby I think

3257
02:34:02,559 --> 02:34:04,840
is for a more mid pace tune.

3258
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:08,120
Speaker 4: It feels like in a way as intense as a

3259
02:34:08,159 --> 02:34:10,719
lot of the other stuff on the record, because that

3260
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:15,639
repeating mantra at the end, it feels like, as much

3261
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:17,399
as the song is a bit of a slower one

3262
02:34:17,879 --> 02:34:21,399
that's perfectly tuned for something like outbreak. And then Mezzanine,

3263
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,440
which has maybe the fastest, most at it stuff on

3264
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:28,840
the record, also in the second half blends into something

3265
02:34:28,879 --> 02:34:31,840
a bit more mellow, a bit more subdued, and being

3266
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:34,520
able to weave between those two things, I think there's

3267
02:34:34,520 --> 02:34:36,920
always been a really impressive trick of theirs. One thing

3268
02:34:36,959 --> 02:34:39,680
about the last couple of records that I kind of

3269
02:34:39,719 --> 02:34:42,920
wish they would go back on is somewhere along the

3270
02:34:42,959 --> 02:34:46,319
way they lost the art of like the short, sharp

3271
02:34:46,440 --> 02:34:48,799
shock of a song like that sort of minute long,

3272
02:34:48,920 --> 02:34:51,360
ninety second thing. Almost all the songs in Earth three

3273
02:34:51,440 --> 02:34:53,239
to four minutes and I understund like six records in.

3274
02:34:53,399 --> 02:34:56,360
It's gonna be hard to think of new minute long songs.

3275
02:34:56,799 --> 02:35:00,600
But personally, those moments where you you get a flash

3276
02:35:00,639 --> 02:35:03,840
of intensity like that bit on hal Ashbiel Mezzanine or

3277
02:35:04,079 --> 02:35:06,799
disasters as you mentioned, or there's a few on it,

3278
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:10,600
I think those are the standout moments.

3279
02:35:11,559 --> 02:35:14,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like the Finalists weirdly sounds like Tom

3280
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:16,319
DeLong Is on guitar. But then there is a couple

3281
02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:18,120
of tracks with guest vocalists as well, and particularly as

3282
02:35:18,120 --> 02:35:20,639
the closing track with with Julian Baker, which.

3283
02:35:21,559 --> 02:35:23,440
Speaker 3: On every two Share Moray album, like she's been on

3284
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:24,360
that last great.

3285
02:35:24,959 --> 02:35:26,559
Speaker 1: Sure, but you could see that and go, you know,

3286
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:28,840
maybe this is me speaking as the non you know,

3287
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:31,319
not as familiar then, but I could be imagine the

3288
02:35:31,360 --> 02:35:34,000
mellow closer. I liked it started with blast beats. It

3289
02:35:34,079 --> 02:35:35,680
sounds like they picked up tricks from their tour makes

3290
02:35:35,719 --> 02:35:36,959
Death even when that starts.

3291
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:38,879
Speaker 2: I genuine that that that kind of like post black

3292
02:35:38,920 --> 02:35:40,879
metal blast bit. I was like, that does feel like,

3293
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:43,680
you know, something they've just got from being closing with

3294
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:45,280
Death Eavan. But I mean, I think there are like

3295
02:35:45,479 --> 02:35:48,360
fun kind of like little surprises like that through this album.

3296
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:50,120
For a band who, again six albums in, who have

3297
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:52,799
kind of they've quite clearly defined their sound.

3298
02:35:52,879 --> 02:35:55,040
Speaker 3: Now, it's nice that you get a little moment like

3299
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:56,159
that that will kind of catch up.

3300
02:35:56,159 --> 02:35:58,280
Speaker 2: God that isn't just you know, a guest vocal spot

3301
02:35:58,319 --> 02:36:01,159
as a different voice for Jeremied sort of play off

3302
02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:03,239
of I think that those whole moments are really funny,

3303
02:36:03,239 --> 02:36:06,479
and I think that's not the only one. Those occasional

3304
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:09,200
little things that do just kind of make this album

3305
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:12,040
feel a little more interesting than just another two Shape album.

3306
02:36:12,959 --> 02:36:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think both guest vocalists do a good job.

3307
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:19,600
Speaker 4: Lou Barlow I particularly like his contributions there, which they're

3308
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,959
not as front and center as Julian Baker's, but I

3309
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:24,719
really like hearing his voice on the two Shae Canvas,

3310
02:36:24,920 --> 02:36:25,639
I got to say.

3311
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:30,239
Speaker 1: From a band I'm not jr. Yeah, oh right, okay, Yeah.

3312
02:36:32,159 --> 02:36:36,760
The Julian Baker tune I Goodbye for Now, I think

3313
02:36:36,840 --> 02:36:39,079
is my least favorite song on the record, one of my.

3314
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,799
Speaker 2: Favorites on the album. I love that part, that really

3315
02:36:41,959 --> 02:36:44,680
sorrowful kind of climax. I think it's really nice.

3316
02:36:45,159 --> 02:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Even I think that's decent. That's almost more frustrating because

3317
02:36:49,440 --> 02:36:50,600
one of the things I thought when I was listening

3318
02:36:50,639 --> 02:36:53,000
to is you know those videos where it says this

3319
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:55,079
is what English sounds to a non native speaker and

3320
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:57,760
you got that is funny. That was like, this is

3321
02:36:57,799 --> 02:37:01,520
what Jeremy Bom sounds to perrn Haish. Like suddenly I

3322
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:05,200
was like, oh, the sort of spoken word poets has

3323
02:37:05,399 --> 02:37:08,079
come out in full force. And yeah, without because I

3324
02:37:08,159 --> 02:37:09,760
was focusing more on the you know, Julian in the

3325
02:37:09,799 --> 02:37:13,840
background kind of acting as that climactic counter. Yeah. I mean, she,

3326
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:16,959
like you know, her contribution is is really great. I

3327
02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:20,360
think the song itself is slightly underwhelming, and maybe that's

3328
02:37:20,399 --> 02:37:23,719
why some of the publication I've seen haven't reviewed this

3329
02:37:23,799 --> 02:37:24,319
as positive.

3330
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys seem to love it, so maybe

3331
02:37:25,879 --> 02:37:27,799
I'm in the minority, but I don't think the alm ends.

3332
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:32,120
With all the Two Slums preceding this, they always end

3333
02:37:32,600 --> 02:37:34,719
on highlight moments, and I think this might be the

3334
02:37:34,719 --> 02:37:37,799
first one where I'm not that bothered about the closer,

3335
02:37:38,079 --> 02:37:41,120
But I think the standard is still upheld by the

3336
02:37:41,200 --> 02:37:44,840
previous songs, which I think are there. Maybe isn't a

3337
02:37:44,920 --> 02:37:46,719
song on here which I think is an all time

3338
02:37:46,760 --> 02:37:49,319
classic two schae song, But I think.

3339
02:37:49,159 --> 02:37:51,040
Speaker 3: There's not a Flowers in You yet fair enough, but

3340
02:37:51,239 --> 02:37:52,520
you know, yeah.

3341
02:37:52,520 --> 02:37:54,239
Speaker 4: Or even on the on the lasting, and I thought

3342
02:37:54,479 --> 02:37:58,799
something like Reminders was like a really moment. Yeah, this

3343
02:37:58,920 --> 02:38:01,639
one maybe doesn't have any of those, but just sort

3344
02:38:01,639 --> 02:38:06,120
of consistently maintains a high standard for the thing that

3345
02:38:06,159 --> 02:38:06,399
they do.

3346
02:38:07,959 --> 02:38:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, my central barrier with this album. I won't belabor

3347
02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:12,200
it because you all know it's not interesting to hear

3348
02:38:12,239 --> 02:38:14,879
me say it. I think Jeremy sucks and you hate

3349
02:38:14,959 --> 02:38:20,120
his throat roar from scream crying tuneless to me, sounds

3350
02:38:20,159 --> 02:38:23,399
like there's no room for nuance, applying himself differently to

3351
02:38:23,440 --> 02:38:26,239
what attract might demand delivery like nobody's I'm like, oh okay,

3352
02:38:26,239 --> 02:38:28,440
and it's ruined. The moment he starts singing on it

3353
02:38:29,079 --> 02:38:32,239
a song like force of habit, whereas it's like downtrodden

3354
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:34,639
from the get go, and then the primary focus is

3355
02:38:34,719 --> 02:38:37,920
on him squawking about his seat belt like rubbish, get

3356
02:38:37,959 --> 02:38:40,360
it out of my ears. And because they are a

3357
02:38:40,559 --> 02:38:43,319
fairly straightforward two and a half minute type band, I

3358
02:38:43,360 --> 02:38:46,040
don't think they're that adventurous instrumentally. You know, they're pretty

3359
02:38:46,079 --> 02:38:48,840
to the point they have they got the odd moment,

3360
02:38:48,920 --> 02:38:50,799
like you know, there's a cool bridge in mezzanine which

3361
02:38:50,799 --> 02:38:53,239
has almost like sort of space rock guitar, but the

3362
02:38:53,319 --> 02:38:56,079
focus at most of the time is very on Jeremy

3363
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:58,159
and it pushes his words to the foe. It's kind

3364
02:38:58,200 --> 02:39:01,120
of the opposite problem to bounce and composure, where BAA's composure.

3365
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:02,719
You know, the lyricism has a lot of like heart

3366
02:39:02,760 --> 02:39:04,920
put into it. I'm sure I just barely register it

3367
02:39:04,959 --> 02:39:07,520
because the vocals like don't draw attention to themselves and

3368
02:39:07,520 --> 02:39:09,719
they can they fall into the background. This guy won't

3369
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:13,000
fucking step back. So like, I find no enjoyment in

3370
02:39:13,079 --> 02:39:14,719
this album, and I won't listen to another two show

3371
02:39:14,760 --> 02:39:16,520
where I have until the next time we inevitably have

3372
02:39:16,600 --> 02:39:19,479
to review them. Put in my you know diplomatic critics

3373
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:23,520
hat on, I can recognize how comfortable in their skin

3374
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:26,520
they are musically like they're pros at this stage. They

3375
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:30,040
are doing things that you know, some other bands probably

3376
02:39:30,040 --> 02:39:32,639
aspire to do, who haven't developed their skills as much

3377
02:39:32,639 --> 02:39:36,040
as Touche have done. But also, you know, I could

3378
02:39:36,159 --> 02:39:38,319
kind of feel that, like, you know, this isn't really

3379
02:39:38,440 --> 02:39:42,760
musically one of the most ear catching or particularly energetic

3380
02:39:42,920 --> 02:39:45,879
or explosive either two Share records, but just heavy records,

3381
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,239
and we've heard of like I think even again, how

3382
02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:50,440
kind of put together and neat it is rhythmically. Oddly,

3383
02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:54,680
it rarely feels all that like hard or vital to me.

3384
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:57,680
For all of their obnoxious bluster, there's also something about

3385
02:39:57,680 --> 02:39:59,959
two Sche on record that's like a little bit meat.

3386
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:01,840
I think if you were to tell me that this

3387
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:04,799
is another of those slightly on the down low two

3388
02:40:04,840 --> 02:40:07,639
Sche records, I think I can tell.

3389
02:40:07,719 --> 02:40:08,440
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

3390
02:40:08,479 --> 02:40:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I still think as well, like there are

3391
02:40:10,159 --> 02:40:11,719
hooks in the album that have still stuck for me,

3392
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:13,639
I think, of course, and nobody's just really good. I

3393
02:40:13,719 --> 02:40:15,719
think that the whole misguided how I speak atashed with

3394
02:40:15,879 --> 02:40:17,600
hooked like and again that's what I mean. Again, the

3395
02:40:17,639 --> 02:40:20,200
band's composed from didn't have anything that really felt like

3396
02:40:20,879 --> 02:40:23,399
catchy or sort of sticky with and again there's an

3397
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:24,200
emotional resonance.

3398
02:40:24,239 --> 02:40:26,360
Speaker 3: You can you can hate Jeremy's vocals, fine.

3399
02:40:26,239 --> 02:40:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it also didn't make me want to turn

3400
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:28,200
it off.

3401
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:28,719
Speaker 5: Like so.

3402
02:40:30,559 --> 02:40:32,680
Speaker 2: That's because you're just you know you're not you can't

3403
02:40:32,719 --> 02:40:34,719
feel it like I need that, like tug on your

3404
02:40:34,760 --> 02:40:38,120
shirt collar, like just pour out the emotions and like, yeah,

3405
02:40:38,159 --> 02:40:40,680
this isn't as kind of like rawing at it as

3406
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:44,200
some of the two Shoms are, but it's still it still.

3407
02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:44,920
Speaker 3: Hits all the right spots.

3408
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:45,079
Speaker 1: Me.

3409
02:40:45,120 --> 02:40:48,040
Speaker 3: I think they are still comfortably of these sort of

3410
02:40:48,120 --> 02:40:49,280
bands the best at it.

3411
02:40:49,319 --> 02:40:51,639
Speaker 2: I think that again, I think they write better hooks

3412
02:40:51,639 --> 02:40:52,959
than a lot of the bands who try and actually

3413
02:40:53,000 --> 02:40:57,280
write melodic, catchy punk songs that they're not writing the

3414
02:40:57,360 --> 02:40:59,479
things that that I find as catches what Tuche do,

3415
02:40:59,559 --> 02:41:01,600
even if we can't sing them for ship and he

3416
02:41:01,719 --> 02:41:05,440
just kind of like, but it's real, give me a

3417
02:41:05,479 --> 02:41:07,479
real vocal performance like what Jeremy balmb does on this.

3418
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:10,239
Then they're fucking like like, oh, I'm a very nice singer.

3419
02:41:10,360 --> 02:41:13,239
The boring thing like all of that give me. Jeremy

3420
02:41:13,360 --> 02:41:15,760
Boum just kind of like wailing his heart out and

3421
02:41:15,879 --> 02:41:17,000
giving everything he's got.

3422
02:41:17,319 --> 02:41:20,159
Speaker 4: But I think the reason why Jeremy gets over with

3423
02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:21,959
me and I normally don't have that much for tolerance

3424
02:41:21,959 --> 02:41:24,639
of this sort of thing is because he's he's so

3425
02:41:24,840 --> 02:41:27,319
far past the point of like being able to control

3426
02:41:27,399 --> 02:41:29,719
himself that you know, if someone was like that in

3427
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:31,159
your life, just go ahead, let them, let them get

3428
02:41:31,159 --> 02:41:32,600
out of their system. They're going through something at the

3429
02:41:32,639 --> 02:41:35,840
moment where someone like I mean, you're catching some strasier

3430
02:41:35,920 --> 02:41:37,479
Sam but like the guy in Spanish Love Songs, just

3431
02:41:37,559 --> 02:41:39,799
use me as an example, because he's kind of blothering.

3432
02:41:40,239 --> 02:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I just feel myself. Don't don't cry, mate, No, So

3433
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:45,000
I spend the whole record sort of bracing for someone

3434
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:47,040
about to break down in tears. Jeremy Long from the

3435
02:41:47,079 --> 02:41:49,239
first second is just sort of screeching at you, so

3436
02:41:49,319 --> 02:41:50,440
you're sort of just go, okay, Well.

3437
02:41:50,360 --> 02:41:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, he speaks like that as well as the thing,

3438
02:41:52,360 --> 02:41:54,159
just in a very more like meek version of that.

3439
02:41:54,280 --> 02:41:55,840
That's how he speaks. That's just his voice.

3440
02:41:56,079 --> 02:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Like imagine, we're gonna come on to another record which

3441
02:42:00,079 --> 02:42:04,600
has a you know, an unchained you know, the guy

3442
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:07,239
with his life not together vocal performance. I just think

3443
02:42:07,319 --> 02:42:10,799
this one sounds like shit. But then we go to

3444
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:14,600
Share Moury Spiral in a straight line. We shift over

3445
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:18,959
to Ranti Pazuzu and their album Muntautuya have been practicing

3446
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:23,719
that one, which translates quite evocatively as shape shifter. And

3447
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:26,280
now normally the structure of what we do here when

3448
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:28,239
we have an album where we kind of know an

3449
02:42:28,280 --> 02:42:30,680
advance some of us here on the team are going

3450
02:42:30,760 --> 02:42:33,120
to like it, someone in particular is going to hate it.

3451
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:35,319
Like in the case of that two Share Moray album,

3452
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:37,840
for example, we lay out all the strength and the

3453
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:40,719
selling point of the album first, and then we let

3454
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:43,840
the person who doesn't like it have the counterpoint. That way,

3455
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:45,959
you know, every voice is heard, but we also we

3456
02:42:46,559 --> 02:42:48,319
let the record get off on the right foot and

3457
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:50,479
it gets its you know, fair shot and moment in

3458
02:42:50,559 --> 02:42:52,440
the sun. This time, I think it would just be

3459
02:42:52,520 --> 02:42:55,079
funny to go straight to who I would like to

3460
02:42:55,159 --> 02:42:58,200
point out has not actually reviewed an I Rancy Perzuzu

3461
02:42:58,200 --> 02:43:00,520
album on this show before their last is before you

3462
02:43:00,600 --> 02:43:02,719
joined us. We've never had them on Album Club or

3463
02:43:02,719 --> 02:43:05,920
anything else. There is no instance of T and M

3464
02:43:06,079 --> 02:43:08,959
forcing you to listen to an anti Pezuzi album prior

3465
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:11,680
to this one, and yet you have still managed to

3466
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:14,719
make your distaste incredibly clear. It's very amusing.

3467
02:43:15,360 --> 02:43:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm having to listen. I don't know it was someone

3468
02:43:17,639 --> 02:43:19,680
made me listen to the last of anti Persusi albums, so.

3469
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:22,920
Speaker 3: So mental it so I was I was like, why

3470
02:43:23,559 --> 02:43:24,879
do you know I don't like over this?

3471
02:43:25,319 --> 02:43:27,680
Speaker 2: And so this is why I was gonna like bracing

3472
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:31,319
myself for this album and I'm gonna dissolve disappoint you.

3473
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:34,440
Speaker 3: I found this album shockingly boring.

3474
02:43:36,600 --> 02:43:38,000
Speaker 1: This is the thing that many many things you can

3475
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:39,200
say about this boring, It's not one of them.

3476
02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:41,760
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, right, you know, I don't like

3477
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:46,159
horrible avant garde black metal experimental shite like why not,

3478
02:43:46,360 --> 02:43:50,280
but at the very least, Imperial Triumphant scare the shit

3479
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:52,479
out of me and make me feel uncomfortable and bad

3480
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:57,079
about myself. This album was just kind of just like, Okay,

3481
02:43:57,799 --> 02:44:00,239
I'm sure that there is wild experimentation like and it

3482
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:02,399
is like unlike anything.

3483
02:44:02,719 --> 02:44:05,840
Speaker 3: So maybe I'm wrong, but yes, like.

3484
02:44:13,280 --> 02:44:15,399
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe probing is not the right one until you

3485
02:44:15,399 --> 02:44:16,760
get to sort the second half of the album where

3486
02:44:16,760 --> 02:44:18,319
I started to get bored, because again, the first half

3487
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:20,479
of the album is like spooky and weird.

3488
02:44:21,399 --> 02:44:23,079
Speaker 3: I don't know, this album didn't like.

3489
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:25,760
Speaker 2: Terrify me and make me feel horrible and bad about

3490
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:30,360
myself in the way imp trumpety or kind of like

3491
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:32,680
scare me and thinking it's kind of genius in the

3492
02:44:32,719 --> 02:44:34,280
way in Tarama did like, those are the kind of

3493
02:44:34,280 --> 02:44:36,040
like bands I'm going to compare this to, because they're

3494
02:44:36,040 --> 02:44:38,639
they're the avant garde black metal bands I've been subjected to.

3495
02:44:39,879 --> 02:44:41,159
This is the kind of the one in the bunch

3496
02:44:41,159 --> 02:44:44,399
of because it just washed over me a little bit

3497
02:44:44,520 --> 02:44:47,799
in the end and didn't actually make much of a

3498
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:50,000
lasting impact. And I feel like I'm letting the side

3499
02:44:50,079 --> 02:44:50,559
down by not.

3500
02:44:50,719 --> 02:44:53,319
Speaker 3: Being like, oh, I hate it, it's terrible, it's terrifying.

3501
02:44:53,360 --> 02:44:56,280
Speaker 1: Well, clearly the hardest of us like that you're not

3502
02:44:56,399 --> 02:44:57,159
even phased.

3503
02:44:58,920 --> 02:45:02,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I've just been so trauatized by fucking Imperial Triumphant

3504
02:45:02,680 --> 02:45:04,760
that Auranti Fazuzu is just kind of like, yeah, it's

3505
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:08,600
creepy and spooky, but it's not like it is unsettling.

3506
02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:09,760
Speaker 3: Fine, but it.

3507
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:12,600
Speaker 2: Didn't I don't know, it didn't get under my skin

3508
02:45:12,639 --> 02:45:14,920
in the way Imperial Triumphant and the light did.

3509
02:45:15,639 --> 02:45:16,719
Speaker 1: Should we move on? No fun?

3510
02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:19,799
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I'm really sorry to kind of be boring here.

3511
02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:22,120
Speaker 2: And yeah again, there are things where, you know, we

3512
02:45:22,200 --> 02:45:23,559
go through track by truck and like, oh you know

3513
02:45:23,639 --> 02:45:26,360
that that like the opening track with this high kind

3514
02:45:26,360 --> 02:45:29,840
of stabbing simp or strum wherever it is is so

3515
02:45:29,959 --> 02:45:33,440
immediately hostile that I was, and the Volks are so

3516
02:45:33,840 --> 02:45:36,920
like destroyed that you know, young are like theirst singing

3517
02:45:36,959 --> 02:45:38,760
another language, but even then they could have been singing

3518
02:45:38,959 --> 02:45:40,319
I want to have a fucking clue what's going on.

3519
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:43,399
So like the first track was was kind of like

3520
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:47,520
a little bit like creepy and spooky and oppressive, and

3521
02:45:47,639 --> 02:45:50,000
then I don't know if it kind of peaked too

3522
02:45:50,079 --> 02:45:52,319
early with that song for me and kind of like

3523
02:45:52,920 --> 02:45:55,239
spooking me, and then everything else was kind of just like, okay,

3524
02:45:55,879 --> 02:45:56,680
it's a bit more of.

3525
02:45:56,719 --> 02:46:00,879
Speaker 1: That, very much giving off. The film wasn't scary, It

3526
02:46:00,920 --> 02:46:02,799
had no jump scares in it, vibes here.

3527
02:46:04,360 --> 02:46:07,399
Speaker 2: Like that maybe I am just desensitized to this shit

3528
02:46:07,440 --> 02:46:09,719
now you Interrama was the one that, you know, it's

3529
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:12,440
kind of unlocked it and this is I'm just too

3530
02:46:12,520 --> 02:46:13,239
hard for it now.

3531
02:46:14,079 --> 02:46:16,840
Speaker 1: Well I have been like around it. Persis is like

3532
02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:18,840
number one cheerleader. I think they should start sending me

3533
02:46:18,879 --> 02:46:20,959
free stuff at this stage. That is a joke. If

3534
02:46:20,959 --> 02:46:22,239
they ever happen to hear this, unless, of.

3535
02:46:22,239 --> 02:46:24,760
Speaker 3: Course you want to, you're boring.

3536
02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Ignore them. They're wrong. I think they are an absolutely

3537
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:32,760
mind blowing band, and I plainly put one of the

3538
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:35,200
best things to happen to Mettle for the past like

3539
02:46:35,319 --> 02:46:38,520
fifteen years. Because if there's one thing about this month's particular,

3540
02:46:38,600 --> 02:46:40,200
particularly like the you know, the Cream of the Crop

3541
02:46:40,239 --> 02:46:42,280
album review says to me, you know, we got this

3542
02:46:42,360 --> 02:46:45,040
and the Bloody Pcantation album on consecutive weeks, you hear

3543
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:47,239
it said a lot, how there are no new things

3544
02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:49,360
you can do with now, how it's a played out

3545
02:46:49,440 --> 02:46:52,399
genre that doesn't contain actual innovation anymore. And you know,

3546
02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:55,000
in kinder terms, maybe the greatest leaps of the genre

3547
02:46:55,079 --> 02:46:57,680
all happened like thirty years ago, and any creative that's

3548
02:46:57,719 --> 02:46:59,959
left is kind of moving the building blocks around arena

3549
02:47:00,200 --> 02:47:03,000
and shit the kinder. You know, sentiments along those lines

3550
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:06,360
often true, you know, like that that often is true

3551
02:47:06,399 --> 02:47:09,879
I'm not deluded, but there are exceptions. And if you

3552
02:47:09,920 --> 02:47:11,879
want to point our band in heavy music, who do

3553
02:47:12,040 --> 02:47:15,040
break that rule? And we do still have visionaries and

3554
02:47:15,159 --> 02:47:16,920
some of them, you know, some of the biggest ones

3555
02:47:16,959 --> 02:47:19,280
of them put out records this month. I think you

3556
02:47:19,319 --> 02:47:22,680
know that the Blankcantation album, astounding as it is, maybe

3557
02:47:22,799 --> 02:47:26,079
is more along those lines of like remixing elements a Rantiperzuzu.

3558
02:47:26,239 --> 02:47:29,079
I would bestow the title of being the most genuinely

3559
02:47:29,280 --> 02:47:34,840
original metal band in the world right now. Fair. There

3560
02:47:34,879 --> 02:47:37,840
are precedents for what they do. They have influences, obviously,

3561
02:47:38,120 --> 02:47:41,239
but there has never been something that sounds like a

3562
02:47:41,319 --> 02:47:43,719
ranci Perzuzu. Like what they do is genuinely new, and

3563
02:47:43,799 --> 02:47:47,760
they are the band in terms of relation to metal.

3564
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:49,440
I mean, you could argue maybe they're not even purely

3565
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:51,520
a metal band, but at least in having clear, you know,

3566
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:54,959
links to it that make me go like, man, yeah,

3567
02:47:55,239 --> 02:47:57,479
there are still new kinds of heaviness to mine, like

3568
02:47:57,600 --> 02:48:00,319
the well has not been exhausted. Yeah, we're not just

3569
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:03,120
like chasing what people did in nineteen ninety two. And

3570
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,760
they've been getting better too, Like they were a startling,

3571
02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:09,239
novel original thing when Their first album came out in

3572
02:48:09,239 --> 02:48:12,120
two thousand and nine. But they haven't just clung to like, Okay,

3573
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:14,360
we've invented a new thing. There is there much more

3574
02:48:14,360 --> 02:48:16,479
we can really do with it. They've kept shifting it.

3575
02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:19,120
I discovered them on the twenty thirteen record of our

3576
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:22,760
own that's what you say? The next one, Veryitellia was

3577
02:48:22,879 --> 02:48:23,879
way crazier than that.

3578
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:27,200
Speaker 3: That's the one I just don't like at all. Horrible

3579
02:48:27,319 --> 02:48:29,399
nasty thing. If you're yeah doing that, I'd be like,

3580
02:48:29,479 --> 02:48:31,000
I hate it. It scares the crap out of me.

3581
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:33,920
Speaker 1: That really put me on, Like the oh, this is

3582
02:48:33,959 --> 02:48:35,920
actually like one of the most vital bands in the world.

3583
02:48:36,079 --> 02:48:39,159
Train and twenty twenties mester in Kincy. I think to

3584
02:48:39,280 --> 02:48:43,079
date is their masterpiece, like an absolutely freakishly brilliant album.

3585
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:45,959
Elliott more of a mediator to myself and Sam here

3586
02:48:46,159 --> 02:48:47,120
can you speak to what I'm saying?

3587
02:48:47,959 --> 02:48:50,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they I got in on the twenty sixteen

3588
02:48:50,719 --> 02:48:54,719
record which I can't pronounce, and that one.

3589
02:48:54,959 --> 02:48:56,799
Speaker 1: That's the one that translates to the Vibrator, which is

3590
02:48:56,879 --> 02:48:58,159
quite brilliant. I'll just call it that.

3591
02:48:58,239 --> 02:49:01,239
Speaker 4: Then when the Vibrator came out, I thought, this is

3592
02:49:01,479 --> 02:49:04,159
one of the best extreme metal records of recent memory

3593
02:49:04,440 --> 02:49:08,040
twenty similar feeling again you go, are you gonna tell

3594
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:08,639
me what that means?

3595
02:49:08,760 --> 02:49:10,719
Speaker 1: Or I don't remember that one now?

3596
02:49:11,280 --> 02:49:11,520
Speaker 2: Sorry?

3597
02:49:13,799 --> 02:49:15,840
Speaker 1: And just the way like that one mixing crowd rock

3598
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:18,399
into it, which is a genre of music you don't

3599
02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:21,840
hear referenced in metal often enough, I would argue, and

3600
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:27,159
those two this week apparently loads, but both of those

3601
02:49:27,239 --> 02:49:30,799
records four years apart. I've never really hankered for a

3602
02:49:30,879 --> 02:49:33,479
Rancy Bazuzu record because I never feel like I'm finished

3603
02:49:33,479 --> 02:49:35,440
with the last one. It's like trying to catch upon

3604
02:49:35,799 --> 02:49:38,959
homework or something, because there's so much to mine. And

3605
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:43,200
this record came out it's another title I can't pronounce,

3606
02:49:43,280 --> 02:49:47,639
so it's just the Vibrator was a good name. Guys

3607
02:49:47,799 --> 02:49:51,000
just have names like that, and I'm not gonna discriminate

3608
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:54,239
against them for being finished. Fine, and you're allowed to

3609
02:49:54,280 --> 02:50:01,639
be finished. Listening to this record as much like with

3610
02:50:01,760 --> 02:50:03,959
each record previously, I thought, okay, that's sort of the

3611
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:06,120
outer limits of what they can do, like, who knows,

3612
02:50:06,159 --> 02:50:07,840
maybe do something else. This is the first time I

3613
02:50:07,879 --> 02:50:10,799
listening to it and just going, what is black metal?

3614
02:50:11,440 --> 02:50:14,079
What is it that makes something black? Metal, because as

3615
02:50:14,159 --> 02:50:16,600
much as it's the genre where oh you can't change

3616
02:50:16,600 --> 02:50:18,680
anything about, it has to sound like this. And if

3617
02:50:18,680 --> 02:50:20,360
you want to make fun of closed mind and metal

3618
02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:24,760
fans like you just evoke the stereotypes of a black

3619
02:50:24,799 --> 02:50:25,280
metal fan.

3620
02:50:25,719 --> 02:50:28,879
Speaker 4: And yet there's so much variety within that. And then

3621
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:32,280
a record like this comes along and you think, outside

3622
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:36,360
of the vocals and just how fucking evil it sounds,

3623
02:50:37,479 --> 02:50:40,920
what is it about it that makes it relatable to

3624
02:50:41,440 --> 02:50:42,319
black metal's past.

3625
02:50:43,239 --> 02:50:43,879
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

3626
02:50:43,879 --> 02:50:45,840
Speaker 1: And when I say I think, you know, you could

3627
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:47,440
argue they're not even a metal band. I think it's

3628
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:51,319
because they clearly you know, think about and approach their

3629
02:50:51,479 --> 02:50:55,159
their craft. They are much more, if not you know,

3630
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:56,920
as much, if not more so, a kind of full

3631
02:50:56,959 --> 02:51:01,399
blown psychedelic act who you know, incorporate metal, specifically Scandinavian

3632
02:51:01,440 --> 02:51:04,159
black metal as one of the building bocks that sound.

3633
02:51:04,159 --> 02:51:07,799
But the way are they conceptualize and visualize what they

3634
02:51:07,879 --> 02:51:10,079
can do is sound. It does not come from a

3635
02:51:10,159 --> 02:51:13,079
metal source. It's again the way they use production to

3636
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:17,760
truly create the kind of three D psychedelic sounds. You know,

3637
02:51:18,559 --> 02:51:20,479
I love these bands, but people metal fans say that

3638
02:51:20,520 --> 02:51:22,120
about like Tool or whatever, and you put it next

3639
02:51:22,120 --> 02:51:23,719
to this, it's like, no that that's normally shit, Like

3640
02:51:24,399 --> 02:51:28,479
this is like genuinely experimental psychedelic music, and we are

3641
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:32,319
so blessed as metal fans that they have chosen to,

3642
02:51:33,159 --> 02:51:36,280
you know, associate with us and kind of utilize extreme

3643
02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:39,159
metal sounds as part of that. The result is they

3644
02:51:39,440 --> 02:51:42,479
have like one of the scariest, most upsetting sounds in

3645
02:51:42,479 --> 02:51:45,559
the world today. Scandinavian black metal is such an extreme

3646
02:51:45,920 --> 02:51:49,399
evil sound anyway, but turning that into like a head

3647
02:51:49,479 --> 02:51:54,280
swimming psychedelic acid trip, but also as I say, continually

3648
02:51:54,399 --> 02:51:56,959
changing that and moving the goalposts of like when you

3649
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:59,959
get your head around like psychedelic black metal, they'll fucking

3650
02:52:00,159 --> 02:52:02,120
flip it upside down and they never let you get

3651
02:52:02,159 --> 02:52:05,159
cozy with it. The thrill that this album gives me

3652
02:52:05,360 --> 02:52:07,639
like if their sixth full length album, it's actually their

3653
02:52:07,719 --> 02:52:11,280
shortest full length album, and to me that seems very

3654
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:15,200
necessary and intentional to it, because you know, if there

3655
02:52:15,239 --> 02:52:17,959
are albums of theirs, like Veritellia for example, that let

3656
02:52:18,040 --> 02:52:21,200
you sit in and inhabit a space more, this one

3657
02:52:21,319 --> 02:52:26,079
is so like cruel and intense that it's almost like

3658
02:52:26,120 --> 02:52:28,840
it couldn't go on longer, you know, like, amazingly, this

3659
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:32,200
is a Rancy Perzuzu out there like harshest and noisiest,

3660
02:52:32,600 --> 02:52:35,440
and it almost like kind of caps how long they

3661
02:52:35,479 --> 02:52:38,479
could actually expose you to it, you know, Like I

3662
02:52:38,639 --> 02:52:40,760
was just from the singles. I was so excited that

3663
02:52:40,799 --> 02:52:43,040
they'd actually surprise me again, because like, you know, I

3664
02:52:43,360 --> 02:52:45,440
listened to a Rancy Perzuzu a lot. I should be

3665
02:52:45,520 --> 02:52:47,799
familiar with them, but there are sounds on this that

3666
02:52:47,959 --> 02:52:51,760
made me just like cackle with demonic glee that they'd

3667
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:56,079
found new ways to upset the state of Quo yet again.

3668
02:52:57,159 --> 02:52:59,959
Well yeah, I mean we kind of broadly, I guess

3669
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:02,719
should broadly call them a black metal band. And normally

3670
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:05,000
the benefit of having a genre tag is that you

3671
02:53:05,079 --> 02:53:07,159
can go, this is a black metal band. Sounds a

3672
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:09,879
bit like Dark Throne, sounds a bit like Mayhem, and

3673
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:12,200
if they stretch the definition a little bit, it's still

3674
02:53:12,280 --> 02:53:15,200
mainly relatable to that thing. Listening to this, I just

3675
02:53:15,239 --> 02:53:19,120
started writing down stuff that sounds like it, And I

3676
02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:21,920
didn't write down one black metal band because outside of

3677
02:53:21,959 --> 02:53:26,200
the vocals and like I said, just how blasphemous doesn't

3678
02:53:26,200 --> 02:53:28,559
even capture It's not a blasphemous record. It's like a

3679
02:53:29,280 --> 02:53:33,120
possessed album. Yeah. The genius of Antipasezi is how they

3680
02:53:33,239 --> 02:53:36,799
still somehow emotionally feel black metal to me even when

3681
02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:39,639
it doesn't actually play black metal.

3682
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:42,799
Speaker 3: Would you say this is their least metal records?

3683
02:53:42,879 --> 02:53:44,719
Speaker 2: And I've listened to, like, I mean, the Last Humanity

3684
02:53:45,479 --> 02:53:47,760
records once and I've never gone back to them because

3685
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:48,280
why would i?

3686
02:53:48,840 --> 02:53:51,639
Speaker 3: And this is what I mean. I was like they

3687
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:52,200
felt that there.

3688
02:53:52,239 --> 02:53:55,879
Speaker 2: Was there was less metal in its traditional sense on

3689
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:59,559
this record, and I do agree. It is then way

3690
02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:03,200
more experimental and kind of putting in like other different sounds.

3691
02:54:03,319 --> 02:54:05,200
Like when I said I was I found this quite boring.

3692
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:08,600
I'm not gonna say this wasn't adventurous and weird and

3693
02:54:08,719 --> 02:54:11,239
out there, because I think that that is dismissive of it.

3694
02:54:11,360 --> 02:54:11,879
Speaker 3: It just didn't.

3695
02:54:12,040 --> 02:54:15,000
Speaker 2: I just didn't find a kind of like connection with it.

3696
02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:17,879
But yeah, like, how how does this kind of rank

3697
02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:19,719
in terms of like how much.

3698
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:22,000
Speaker 1: Here's the weird thing about that, here's the way thing

3699
02:54:22,040 --> 02:54:24,799
about I was thinking about this. It might well be

3700
02:54:25,079 --> 02:54:28,280
one of their less like the components of heavy metal

3701
02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:31,280
that exists within this. It might be in that objective

3702
02:54:31,399 --> 02:54:35,399
sense one of their less metal records, but because it

3703
02:54:35,559 --> 02:54:39,799
is like maybe their harshest and cruelest and like one

3704
02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:43,680
of their most evil and demonic, it somehow circles around

3705
02:54:43,719 --> 02:54:48,760
to feeling spiritually their most metal despite sounding the least metals.

3706
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:51,520
Speaker 2: This is everyone talking about, you know, what is heavy

3707
02:54:51,639 --> 02:54:53,920
what like when we were talking about Dragon, So that

3708
02:54:54,079 --> 02:54:56,799
is like this because there doesn't actually like feel like

3709
02:54:56,920 --> 02:55:01,440
like typically kind of like traditionally sonic heavy, but it's

3710
02:55:01,559 --> 02:55:04,479
heavy and sort of evil in different ways.

3711
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean as a move. This reminds

3712
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:12,159
me of when Cult of Lunar did Vertical, and they'd

3713
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:15,520
got like inspired by like German expressionist films like Metropolis,

3714
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:20,920
and they made a record that was like a more monochromatic, harsh, angular,

3715
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:26,239
sort of semi industrialized version of themselves. This record kind

3716
02:55:26,280 --> 02:55:28,159
of does something similar to mine, where it's cut out

3717
02:55:28,319 --> 02:55:31,760
all light and it's it's sharpened the edges into like

3718
02:55:32,079 --> 02:55:33,920
sounds that feel like they could cut you. And I

3719
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:35,840
was reading about how when they were touring Mester and Kinsey,

3720
02:55:35,959 --> 02:55:38,920
like after you know, finally COVID opened up, they would

3721
02:55:38,920 --> 02:55:42,120
really lean into like producing the noise elements of like

3722
02:55:42,159 --> 02:55:44,399
when they were performing these like you know, harsh, crazy

3723
02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:46,040
versions of songs, and like, you know, as someone who

3724
02:55:46,159 --> 02:55:49,040
saw them touring that album, I can attest to that,

3725
02:55:49,319 --> 02:55:51,120
and that approach kind of bled into the making of

3726
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:53,840
this record. The other thing I did not expect, though,

3727
02:55:53,879 --> 02:55:56,959
is leaning in those kind of industrial impulses. There's a

3728
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:00,559
shocking amount of like trip hop material on this record,

3729
02:56:00,639 --> 02:56:02,200
and like, if you ever wanted to hear what a

3730
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:06,239
cyborg black metal trip hop record might sound like.

3731
02:56:07,200 --> 02:56:07,600
Speaker 2: Here is.

3732
02:56:09,319 --> 02:56:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah and how God how to truly fine? Yeah, let's agreed,

3733
02:56:14,760 --> 02:56:17,879
like that sounds like a jazz rap song, these liquid,

3734
02:56:18,280 --> 02:56:21,840
ghostly grooves. But then instead of I know, someone like

3735
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:24,600
Car or a tribe called Quest coming in over it,

3736
02:56:25,079 --> 02:56:27,479
they get the KLi Mar guy from Temple of Doom

3737
02:56:28,079 --> 02:56:28,799
to join.

3738
02:56:29,440 --> 02:56:30,360
Speaker 5: And it is so.

3739
02:56:30,479 --> 02:56:33,000
Speaker 1: Unsettling because you're in this uncanny valley of not knowing

3740
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:34,440
what the music is gonna do. It's not like, you know,

3741
02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:37,040
you put on you know us, another black Man band,

3742
02:56:37,079 --> 02:56:39,600
you put on like a Mayhem record and you go,

3743
02:56:39,719 --> 02:56:42,680
I know that, yeah, yeah, they're tremlo picking blahdah blah

3744
02:56:42,799 --> 02:56:45,879
fast drums with But when something like that happens, it's

3745
02:56:45,879 --> 02:56:48,360
a combination your brain's not used to. You can almost

3746
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:50,680
feel it, the htting around your skull, going like what

3747
02:56:51,040 --> 02:56:54,040
what what's going on? Yeah, and the record is so

3748
02:56:54,159 --> 02:56:57,120
fucking gnarly, like that first track like Bio like Helnessty

3749
02:56:57,280 --> 02:57:00,760
is so like rhythmically, that song just makes me lose

3750
02:57:00,799 --> 02:57:04,000
my mind. Like it's just it's the most insistent, unrelenting

3751
02:57:04,079 --> 02:57:06,760
material that you know, like kroud rock by way of

3752
02:57:06,959 --> 02:57:10,959
industrial metal, smashing percussion, sounds like mister construct.

3753
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:11,959
Speaker 3: There's so much going.

3754
02:57:13,799 --> 02:57:15,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kicks like a fucking mule. I love it.

3755
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:18,639
And the guitars are like really tortured, but it is

3756
02:57:18,719 --> 02:57:20,479
like it is riffing in that song in a really

3757
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:22,719
fucked up manner, but it's there again. You know, the

3758
02:57:22,879 --> 02:57:26,079
song's comparatively short on this four to five minutes, normally

3759
02:57:26,200 --> 02:57:29,000
there's only one that breaches nine. They feel more like

3760
02:57:29,200 --> 02:57:32,600
contained explosions of songs, where again, if you look like

3761
02:57:32,719 --> 02:57:35,360
look at like Veritellia or or Mester and Kinsey, things

3762
02:57:35,399 --> 02:57:38,280
have a tendency to kind of sprawl out more. This

3763
02:57:38,440 --> 02:57:42,399
record it has a very uh, you know, it's very caustic,

3764
02:57:42,719 --> 02:57:44,959
but they give it a defined kind of shape that

3765
02:57:45,079 --> 02:57:51,000
might otherwise lose and the identity that they imbue each

3766
02:57:51,040 --> 02:57:54,000
one of those songs with the title track, which comes

3767
02:57:54,040 --> 02:57:56,719
second on the record, Like, how do you want to

3768
02:57:56,799 --> 02:58:02,520
describe that song craft work? If they were way less

3769
02:58:02,600 --> 02:58:07,120
enthusiastic about the future, that's a good one here. One

3770
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:08,239
of the things I let out of that song for

3771
02:58:08,319 --> 02:58:10,399
me the drum beat, and this is like an unlikely

3772
02:58:10,479 --> 02:58:12,479
referenced point, and unlike some of the other ones that

3773
02:58:12,559 --> 02:58:14,959
we're mentioning, I'd be surprised if this one is actually

3774
02:58:14,959 --> 02:58:17,159
what they had in mind. But the way we took

3775
02:58:17,159 --> 02:58:19,920
about Abe cunning him in death tones being such a

3776
02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:24,079
master of like beats, and how much character they will

3777
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:25,799
give to a death and song and how much incredible

3778
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:29,120
texture that he can bring this drummer is in that

3779
02:58:29,280 --> 02:58:33,000
kind of mold, and that title track, the drum part

3780
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:34,879
is like something that he could lay down on like

3781
02:58:34,920 --> 02:58:37,520
white Pony or around the fur like RX Queen or something,

3782
02:58:38,040 --> 02:58:39,600
and the way it kind of lose you in the

3783
02:58:39,639 --> 02:58:41,920
same way that does and a raanzy Pezuzu have taken

3784
02:58:41,959 --> 02:58:44,920
that drum track and turned it not into some kind

3785
02:58:44,920 --> 02:58:46,920
of like art rock texture like they would, but the

3786
02:58:47,159 --> 02:58:52,959
satanic whispers of a Finnish cyborg and the ideas around

3787
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:55,120
those beats. You continuing on, well, like I say, you know,

3788
02:58:55,239 --> 02:59:00,200
the trip hop influence and exactly what you're saying. Really

3789
02:59:00,200 --> 02:59:01,440
glad you've picked up on the same things as me,

3790
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:03,959
like how to Tuley. I started to think about full

3791
02:59:04,040 --> 02:59:08,319
blown experimental hip hop, like that beat and that bass part,

3792
02:59:08,719 --> 02:59:10,760
which again, the first time that Baseline came in, I

3793
02:59:10,920 --> 02:59:13,200
just did this like almost groan of pleasure because it

3794
02:59:13,280 --> 02:59:15,840
somehow picked all the wrong notes that I wasn't expecting

3795
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:18,959
it to do, but it was perfect. But it's it's

3796
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:21,760
much more like you'd expect someone to come in and

3797
02:59:21,879 --> 02:59:24,959
wrap on, like on some like cool off kilter, you know,

3798
02:59:25,120 --> 02:59:27,879
underground hip hop record. If you wanted to tell me

3799
02:59:28,280 --> 02:59:30,040
that that is what the vocal actually does on this

3800
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:32,479
that weird whisper, and maybe I can't argue against it,

3801
02:59:32,600 --> 02:59:35,239
you know, but we are again spiritually in the realms

3802
02:59:35,280 --> 02:59:38,760
of black metal here and later on Ikea Kami also

3803
02:59:39,000 --> 02:59:41,280
had this feel of like a warping death grips beat

3804
02:59:41,319 --> 02:59:44,040
from the money Store, or like a dialect or a

3805
02:59:44,120 --> 02:59:48,360
clipping beat or something, except you know, it's shrouded in

3806
02:59:48,479 --> 02:59:51,959
kind of horror score keys and smashing glass and a

3807
02:59:52,040 --> 02:59:54,000
vocalist who, like you say, sort of cooling on those

3808
02:59:54,040 --> 02:59:57,600
shamanic chants rather than you know, rhyming. And then again

3809
02:59:57,639 --> 02:59:59,520
I read in the press release that Death Grips is

3810
02:59:59,559 --> 03:00:01,000
one of the bands they were like name dropping as like,

3811
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:03,680
you know, an inspiration for this particular record, And it's

3812
03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:06,760
testament to how genuine that is that we've actually picked

3813
03:00:06,799 --> 03:00:09,200
that out without knowing it. You know. I think the

3814
03:00:09,280 --> 03:00:13,120
way they use in dis thoughts sound they are in

3815
03:00:13,440 --> 03:00:16,559
the conversation with you know, Death Grips, Aphex Twin, you know, Radiohead,

3816
03:00:16,760 --> 03:00:19,239
even it could calm me.

3817
03:00:20,159 --> 03:00:22,719
Speaker 4: The word I kept coming back to was impressive, Like

3818
03:00:22,879 --> 03:00:25,600
everything about it just feels like a masterclass, like like

3819
03:00:25,719 --> 03:00:29,280
you know, use Death Grips, Aphex Twin, Radiohead, some of

3820
03:00:29,319 --> 03:00:33,280
those bands, whether they're to your tastes or not, there's

3821
03:00:33,399 --> 03:00:38,719
just something, you know, there's something almost like academic about

3822
03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:41,879
them where you just got I'd admire that even if

3823
03:00:41,879 --> 03:00:44,280
I don't like it, and for me listening to that,

3824
03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:47,559
it doesn't really want you to like it. It's fucking

3825
03:00:47,799 --> 03:00:51,120
terrifying ten minutes long, and considering it's one of the

3826
03:00:51,159 --> 03:00:54,319
more sparsely arranged songs on the record, they never let

3827
03:00:54,360 --> 03:00:58,360
you settle in because there's just these bleats of seasick trumpets,

3828
03:00:58,920 --> 03:01:02,639
strings that sound like a grain, and these basements that

3829
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:05,680
come in that you know, it feels like your skull

3830
03:01:05,799 --> 03:01:08,360
is shaking, and there's just that all the way through.

3831
03:01:08,399 --> 03:01:10,200
And I feel like one of the records that I

3832
03:01:10,239 --> 03:01:13,319
think maybe now gets over referenced. When I look around,

3833
03:01:13,319 --> 03:01:15,159
I see people referencing it for things. I don't think

3834
03:01:15,200 --> 03:01:18,399
there's only fit but the drift by Scott Walker, the

3835
03:01:18,520 --> 03:01:22,079
sensation of that, of that one in a million record.

3836
03:01:22,639 --> 03:01:24,760
There aren't many records that there are a lot of

3837
03:01:24,760 --> 03:01:27,159
res are inspired by, there aren't many that capture that

3838
03:01:27,239 --> 03:01:27,799
same feeling.

3839
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,000
Speaker 2: There is a thing that somewhere, like you say that

3840
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:33,000
it's and none of it seems to actually fit together,

3841
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:35,719
which I don't know if that is again by design,

3842
03:01:35,760 --> 03:01:38,559
where it's like the rifts with the kind of like

3843
03:01:38,639 --> 03:01:42,120
simp sounds and they're like they're like almost off keying

3844
03:01:42,159 --> 03:01:44,159
off time with each other to just kind of make

3845
03:01:44,200 --> 03:01:46,760
it as like I mean again, that's where again, like

3846
03:01:46,840 --> 03:01:50,159
I can see why this can be like unsetting and creepy,

3847
03:01:50,200 --> 03:01:52,719
where they're blending in these things that shouldn't work and

3848
03:01:53,840 --> 03:01:56,000
don't but they kind of keep at it where then

3849
03:01:56,399 --> 03:01:57,639
kind of becomes part.

3850
03:01:57,479 --> 03:01:59,239
Speaker 3: Of this like weird a hole.

3851
03:01:59,479 --> 03:02:01,520
Speaker 2: But none of this is starting together in a way

3852
03:02:01,559 --> 03:02:04,120
that I can like sit in and let it creep

3853
03:02:04,159 --> 03:02:04,959
me out because I can't.

3854
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:08,319
Speaker 3: I can't figure it out. I guess yeah.

3855
03:02:08,319 --> 03:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean that would be very down to the visual

3856
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:13,319
because I again, for me, this record it sounds very

3857
03:02:13,399 --> 03:02:15,280
kind of condensed, and for me it does like it

3858
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:18,559
very locked in, like it the way it kind of

3859
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:24,200
congeals these varying elements down to a base kind of

3860
03:02:24,920 --> 03:02:27,600
uh for me, Like I g the songs totally work

3861
03:02:27,760 --> 03:02:30,959
in terms of the direction they're moving in, what grooves

3862
03:02:30,959 --> 03:02:33,399
they're kind of trying to create. And I am again elliot,

3863
03:02:33,399 --> 03:02:35,239
you're saying that kind of academic quality too, which I

3864
03:02:35,399 --> 03:02:36,840
can feel that way sometimes that's some of the things

3865
03:02:36,840 --> 03:02:40,639
that we're we're talking about. But I am just obsessed

3866
03:02:40,719 --> 03:02:44,520
with the like you know, mummy my tummy feels funny

3867
03:02:44,719 --> 03:02:49,959
kind of atmosphere, that of darkness and like genuinely demonic

3868
03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:54,040
qualities that are antibud to kind of evoke. And I

3869
03:02:54,079 --> 03:02:55,959
mean it's hard as a reviewer sometimes because half the

3870
03:02:55,959 --> 03:02:58,200
time you don't actually know what what is actually making

3871
03:02:58,319 --> 03:03:01,200
each fucking sound. But like the four minute mark of

3872
03:03:01,680 --> 03:03:05,719
bioa Kellnessty when the metallic rifts drop away and it's

3873
03:03:05,799 --> 03:03:09,280
replaced by that like repellent bass and that haunted synth tone,

3874
03:03:09,559 --> 03:03:12,280
and your stomach just goes out, like with the rift,

3875
03:03:12,520 --> 03:03:16,319
it's absolutely queasy. I love it, the base slide that

3876
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,799
starts like driving the title track more into the second

3877
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:22,440
half of it, like genuinely desarentining type of sound. But

3878
03:03:22,600 --> 03:03:25,000
to me, they make these things like fucking just sing

3879
03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:29,799
like they're humongous sounding, even again rhythmically really locked in

3880
03:03:30,200 --> 03:03:34,920
Voi tail you has this kind of again very a

3881
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:38,639
trademark antipazuzu thing of like a very oscillating, buzzing kind

3882
03:03:38,680 --> 03:03:43,879
of baseline, very hypnotic, but there is so much like

3883
03:03:44,760 --> 03:03:47,360
harsh ugliness on top of that of what you would

3884
03:03:47,360 --> 03:03:51,840
already expect from iranti pazuzu, where even when the piano

3885
03:03:52,120 --> 03:03:54,479
like comes in on that feels like it's being like

3886
03:03:54,639 --> 03:03:57,040
you know, the videotape in John Carpet's Print of Darkness

3887
03:03:57,079 --> 03:03:58,840
or something like it's being beamed in and it's kind

3888
03:03:58,840 --> 03:04:04,159
of battling through static. And then there's Valutus, which I

3889
03:04:04,280 --> 03:04:06,600
had to just throw up my hands in disbelief that

3890
03:04:07,159 --> 03:04:10,639
how they managed to be this much gnahilia and more

3891
03:04:10,719 --> 03:04:13,920
upsetting than usual, particularly the use of rhythm there. If

3892
03:04:13,920 --> 03:04:15,719
you listen with a close ear, the drum part is

3893
03:04:15,799 --> 03:04:17,600
not actually playing the same amount of notes each time.

3894
03:04:17,799 --> 03:04:20,040
Like I haven't worked out what times the tree is exactly.

3895
03:04:20,079 --> 03:04:21,639
It's like a Levin or something, but like it has

3896
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:26,559
this absolutely manic, thrashing, mayhem kind of quality playing on

3897
03:04:26,639 --> 03:04:29,000
this like uneven pattern. They messed with that a bit

3898
03:04:29,079 --> 03:04:30,680
on like the closing track of the last abb and

3899
03:04:30,719 --> 03:04:32,280
did it with a blast beat but kind offset you

3900
03:04:32,920 --> 03:04:35,799
and it's so like, you know, picking you up and

3901
03:04:35,879 --> 03:04:38,520
shaking you like a rag doll. And then in hindsight,

3902
03:04:38,600 --> 03:04:41,399
after hearing what comes next, that somehow reads as like

3903
03:04:41,520 --> 03:04:45,159
the foot off the gas pedal part of the song,

3904
03:04:45,639 --> 03:04:53,920
because the ending of that song is so fucking uncalled for.

3905
03:04:55,000 --> 03:04:58,559
It's just it's it's it's not okay, it's not it's

3906
03:04:58,600 --> 03:04:59,280
it's not allowed.

3907
03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:03,319
Speaker 4: It's it's so cool to be surprised on that level

3908
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:06,239
where you just it's good it comes when it does

3909
03:05:06,319 --> 03:05:07,639
on the record, you're just one of the three hands.

3910
03:05:08,079 --> 03:05:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what to say, I mean,

3911
03:05:10,399 --> 03:05:15,000
you're panicking, like I just full blown bodily responses when

3912
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:18,159
you hear that song, it's so extra. The first couple

3913
03:05:18,159 --> 03:05:20,159
of times I, you know, Listener's album, I forgot it

3914
03:05:20,280 --> 03:05:22,000
was there somehow, and it caught me by surprise all

3915
03:05:22,079 --> 03:05:24,239
over again. Now I've listened to it enough that for

3916
03:05:24,360 --> 03:05:28,280
the whole song, I'm bracing myself, like physically scared of

3917
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:30,239
what is coming around the corner. It is, like, you know,

3918
03:05:30,280 --> 03:05:35,079
it's the full harsh noise drop in the Ranci Perzuzi discography.

3919
03:05:35,159 --> 03:05:36,639
Like if you've got this album turned up loud and

3920
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:38,440
you don't know what's coming, I implore you, like do

3921
03:05:38,559 --> 03:05:42,079
your ear as a favorite, take the necessary precautions. It's like,

3922
03:05:42,440 --> 03:05:46,639
without a doubt, the most extreme upsetting moment on a

3923
03:05:46,760 --> 03:05:49,360
metal album, if you want to call us that this year.

3924
03:05:49,879 --> 03:05:52,920
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, so like that one probably is, you know,

3925
03:05:53,319 --> 03:05:55,000
just when we kind of go like the fuck am

3926
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:57,159
I hearing? Because it did, like it did.

3927
03:05:57,120 --> 03:06:00,520
Speaker 2: Catch me off guard on that part and again like

3928
03:06:00,600 --> 03:06:02,239
maybe because I was going to being lulled into sort

3929
03:06:02,239 --> 03:06:04,719
of like waiting for something to happen, and then that

3930
03:06:04,920 --> 03:06:07,280
that's what got me. I'll give them that because that

3931
03:06:07,680 --> 03:06:09,399
was and I guess I was kind of expecting more

3932
03:06:09,479 --> 03:06:12,440
of that from this album. I mean, that's so maybe

3933
03:06:12,440 --> 03:06:15,680
I kind of primed myself to like be prepared for

3934
03:06:16,079 --> 03:06:17,959
the peak of kind of stuff that was going to

3935
03:06:18,040 --> 03:06:22,200
make me really upset and it and it just there

3936
03:06:22,200 --> 03:06:26,120
are individual moments in this record that are like ear catching,

3937
03:06:26,159 --> 03:06:27,680
all kind of like just like you know, what the

3938
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:29,520
fuck did I just hear? But as a whole, it

3939
03:06:29,639 --> 03:06:32,959
just I didn't get this sustained dread I normally get

3940
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:35,520
from these kind of albums, I guess, And that's maybe

3941
03:06:35,559 --> 03:06:37,079
where it just didn't land as much.

3942
03:06:38,079 --> 03:06:39,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is that's very unusual. I certainly

3943
03:06:39,879 --> 03:06:41,399
thing to you know, to enjoy it, you have to

3944
03:06:41,479 --> 03:06:43,799
be very in tune with their particular you know, this

3945
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:47,479
kind of just very rhythmically focused, you know, psychedelic kinds

3946
03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:49,559
of music. But at that moment, like the whole mix

3947
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:53,760
gets completely it's like wild, It's like they've ripped a

3948
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:57,440
hole in the base. The drums just start slurring and warping.

3949
03:06:57,799 --> 03:06:59,680
You start feeling like you've lost your hearing at the end,

3950
03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:04,319
like you to a grenade. That just unbelievable, It's fucking outlandish.

3951
03:07:04,600 --> 03:07:07,159
And then the closing track. You know, it's quite rare

3952
03:07:07,200 --> 03:07:08,879
for them to do sort of essentially a full blown

3953
03:07:09,159 --> 03:07:12,719
synth outro song, but it's longer than several other songs.

3954
03:07:13,159 --> 03:07:15,120
And knowing their approach to how sort of like you know,

3955
03:07:17,159 --> 03:07:20,319
creating studio sounds and how layered it is, I think,

3956
03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:23,040
you know, Stranger Things is such a lazy shorthand, but

3957
03:07:23,120 --> 03:07:25,200
that genuinely sounds to me like the theme for that show.

3958
03:07:25,600 --> 03:07:27,879
If he pulled out any of that like comforting synth

3959
03:07:27,959 --> 03:07:32,159
wave retroness and just int ensconced it in genuinely like eerie,

3960
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:35,440
scary sounds like it's just this horrendous sense of kind

3961
03:07:35,479 --> 03:07:38,200
of like abyss beneath you, you know what I mean.

3962
03:07:38,719 --> 03:07:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again it's it's using tools that ordinarily like

3963
03:07:42,479 --> 03:07:46,040
that sound now just denotes nostalgia. That's why it's used,

3964
03:07:46,079 --> 03:07:48,879
like people in bands use an eighty synth to make

3965
03:07:48,920 --> 03:07:50,840
people feel nostalgic, even if they weren't.

3966
03:07:50,600 --> 03:07:52,879
Speaker 1: Alive at that time. It's just it's shorthand for that.

3967
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:57,159
And raz Bazuzu took that thing and went, how do

3968
03:07:57,280 --> 03:07:59,719
we make this sound like something no one's ever heard before?

3969
03:08:00,360 --> 03:08:03,040
And something from an alien planet? And it is completely unknowable,

3970
03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:07,200
and you know they manage it, and what should be

3971
03:08:07,319 --> 03:08:09,840
the respite of the record, which sort of brings you

3972
03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:13,040
back down to earth, still doesn't really let you off

3973
03:08:13,079 --> 03:08:17,239
the hook. Yeah, Sam, Sam, some weird anomaly on this one,

3974
03:08:17,280 --> 03:08:20,239
but like one of this is one of the most

3975
03:08:20,479 --> 03:08:23,559
extreme extreme metal records of the year. But I also

3976
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:26,079
think that everyone should hear it because it's not just

3977
03:08:26,559 --> 03:08:29,239
tickling those extreme metal receptors in the brain, like if

3978
03:08:29,280 --> 03:08:32,280
you don't like black metal and normal black metal sounds,

3979
03:08:32,360 --> 03:08:34,840
don't you know entice you in any way? This is

3980
03:08:35,079 --> 03:08:39,079
far more so again experimenting with sound type record in

3981
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:41,120
the way like you know a radio head or a

3982
03:08:41,159 --> 03:08:43,319
Trent Reznor or someone if you're interested in those kinds

3983
03:08:43,360 --> 03:08:46,559
of music. I think they are extreme music's most essential

3984
03:08:46,760 --> 03:08:50,680
current band in that regard. Six albums into again what

3985
03:08:50,840 --> 03:08:52,200
was kind of a new approach, like what if we

3986
03:08:52,319 --> 03:08:55,239
played psychedelic music as a black metal band, and it's

3987
03:08:55,440 --> 03:08:58,319
still getting more experimental. It's not even the only one

3988
03:08:58,319 --> 03:08:59,760
they've done this year, Like some of them. They did

3989
03:08:59,799 --> 03:09:02,440
a card under the name Haunted Plasma that came out

3990
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:05,159
this summer, which is then going full blown like crowd

3991
03:09:05,239 --> 03:09:07,639
rock cosmes type stuff, and it's got Matt McNerney from

3992
03:09:07,680 --> 03:09:12,600
Grave Pleasures guesting on vocals. They're absolute mavericks. Like I think,

3993
03:09:12,639 --> 03:09:14,760
you know, the Blood Incantation album, as we would describe

3994
03:09:14,760 --> 03:09:17,239
it earlier, I think is more the like the kind

3995
03:09:17,280 --> 03:09:19,360
of game changer for the moment in terms of like

3996
03:09:19,799 --> 03:09:22,399
something really being unlocked and you know, reaching a new

3997
03:09:22,479 --> 03:09:26,639
kind of plateau of rounding something around. To Pazuzu, this

3998
03:09:26,799 --> 03:09:29,879
is just like another step in their crazy, crazy journey,

3999
03:09:30,200 --> 03:09:32,840
moving off with no one to catch them. You should

4000
03:09:32,920 --> 03:09:36,719
definitely give it a listen. Lastly, I guess we're talking

4001
03:09:36,799 --> 03:09:39,760
the band that link the like sort of ugly left

4002
03:09:39,799 --> 03:09:43,000
field extremity and the you know, sort of outbreak punk

4003
03:09:43,079 --> 03:09:46,280
type worlds that we've mainly spoken about today. It's Chat

4004
03:09:46,360 --> 03:09:50,159
Pile and the album is called Cool World Album two

4005
03:09:50,319 --> 03:09:52,440
from a band too. It still feels like we've only

4006
03:09:52,479 --> 03:09:55,440
just started talking about really, but Chat Child Chat Pil

4007
03:09:55,479 --> 03:09:58,639
have very quickly become you know, arguably the name in

4008
03:09:58,799 --> 03:10:04,079
like contemporary heavy sludgy noise rock quite startling. Actually, Like

4009
03:10:04,120 --> 03:10:06,120
you know, I can't remember in my time of being

4010
03:10:06,159 --> 03:10:10,040
plugged into that particular world. At least a band rising

4011
03:10:10,120 --> 03:10:12,559
to the top quite as dramatically as Chappile have since

4012
03:10:12,600 --> 03:10:15,120
the release of their their debut album God's Country in

4013
03:10:15,319 --> 03:10:18,319
summer twenty twenty two, and then you know, continuing with

4014
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:20,360
the anticipation around the release of this one.

4015
03:10:20,959 --> 03:10:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it feels like chappar like they could. It

4016
03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:25,840
felt like it was no kind of like even buzz

4017
03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:27,719
going into that debut album. It felt like they was

4018
03:10:27,799 --> 03:10:31,040
just here with the debut album, and then they've kind

4019
03:10:31,040 --> 03:10:33,159
of just gone, oh shit, everyone's kind of talking about

4020
03:10:33,200 --> 03:10:35,319
chatpar kind of just shot up and got bigger and

4021
03:10:35,319 --> 03:10:39,239
bigger and bigger, and in Alio just under two years later,

4022
03:10:39,639 --> 03:10:40,639
here's the next album.

4023
03:10:41,920 --> 03:10:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't remember that being build up to that record.

4024
03:10:44,239 --> 03:10:48,159
It just that record came out, and I think with

4025
03:10:48,319 --> 03:10:52,159
good reason, it was kind of unignorable, Like it was

4026
03:10:52,239 --> 03:10:55,360
just sort of a normally where they took noise rock

4027
03:10:55,639 --> 03:10:58,760
out of the hands of art school kids who had

4028
03:10:58,799 --> 03:11:00,680
sort of adopted it for a while and put it

4029
03:11:00,719 --> 03:11:03,920
in the hands of some backwards weirdos who also had

4030
03:11:04,159 --> 03:11:08,440
loads of charisma and star power. It was this strange

4031
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:11,159
combination of things and having a bit having a bit

4032
03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:14,920
of that new metal swagger in it, but a totally weird,

4033
03:11:15,520 --> 03:11:20,079
paradox will ill fiting concept, managing to wrangle, like you said,

4034
03:11:20,559 --> 03:11:24,959
the words of extreme and the alt rock outbreak thing.

4035
03:11:25,760 --> 03:11:30,719
Speaker 1: And just being so fully formed from the off. Yeah, well,

4036
03:11:30,719 --> 03:11:34,000
Elliott God's Country was in like your top five albums

4037
03:11:34,040 --> 03:11:36,440
or whatever it was of that year. What is it

4038
03:11:36,479 --> 03:11:38,200
about the kind of character of this band that you

4039
03:11:38,319 --> 03:11:41,200
find so kind of you know and has clicked with

4040
03:11:41,280 --> 03:11:43,399
you know, so many people like yourself. It's very similar.

4041
03:11:44,440 --> 03:11:47,280
I think it is that there's something about them that

4042
03:11:47,399 --> 03:11:52,319
really feels like they're off the beaten path and noise

4043
03:11:52,440 --> 03:11:56,559
rock like in its things like Big Black and you know,

4044
03:11:56,639 --> 03:11:59,000
the Jesus Lizard, that sort of thing. Part of the

4045
03:11:59,079 --> 03:12:01,200
appeal of it is I don't know if I trust

4046
03:12:01,239 --> 03:12:03,639
the people making this record, Like, I don't know if

4047
03:12:03,639 --> 03:12:05,799
I want to be their friend. There's a danger factor

4048
03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:06,040
to it.

4049
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:10,399
Speaker 4: And noise rock went somewhere else, and I don't even

4050
03:12:10,440 --> 03:12:12,719
know if you'd call Chappeyle strictly a noise rock band

4051
03:12:12,760 --> 03:12:15,520
where that definitely feels like the dominant thread going through it,

4052
03:12:16,280 --> 03:12:21,559
and that style of music for a long time became

4053
03:12:21,799 --> 03:12:25,920
sort of an arty art school nerd arena of things

4054
03:12:25,959 --> 03:12:29,920
that things like Lightning Bolts, Boredoms that sort, and again

4055
03:12:30,079 --> 03:12:34,040
great records made by those bands like classics, but they

4056
03:12:34,120 --> 03:12:40,520
did sacrifice some of the the weirdo element of their music,

4057
03:12:40,840 --> 03:12:42,200
and then Chappa brought that back.

4058
03:12:43,040 --> 03:12:44,520
Speaker 1: But they weren't.

4059
03:12:46,040 --> 03:12:47,879
Speaker 4: It's hard to explain. There wasn't anything awkward about them.

4060
03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:53,000
They were this sort of unflinching, outwardly aggressive noise metal

4061
03:12:53,040 --> 03:12:57,280
band who also had black hoop black humor woven into

4062
03:12:57,319 --> 03:13:00,479
their art. It's so much of the appeal of it

4063
03:13:00,639 --> 03:13:04,200
was just how identifiable it was, how strange it was,

4064
03:13:05,159 --> 03:13:07,319
but also the fact they wrote great songs. It wasn't

4065
03:13:07,399 --> 03:13:12,239
just oh, this is super artistic and really experimental. There

4066
03:13:12,440 --> 03:13:14,879
was quite an immediate connection for me.

4067
03:13:16,239 --> 03:13:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's touched onto it, because you know,

4068
03:13:19,479 --> 03:13:24,520
they're unavoidably rancid, Like it is just so unapologetic in

4069
03:13:24,600 --> 03:13:26,799
the kind of darker mental avenues. It pulls you down.

4070
03:13:26,879 --> 03:13:28,360
Like even go out to their you know, their EPs,

4071
03:13:28,399 --> 03:13:30,719
which I hadn't heard prior to to God's Country, but

4072
03:13:30,799 --> 03:13:32,559
then you you know, there's some like Garbage Man or

4073
03:13:32,600 --> 03:13:34,719
one of those EPs, and it's got as much in

4074
03:13:34,799 --> 03:13:37,719
common with like a horror grindcore band like Cretin as

4075
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:41,879
it does Big Black, It's total nightmare fuel and on

4076
03:13:41,959 --> 03:13:43,920
God's Country, I think they really nailed into making that,

4077
03:13:44,040 --> 03:13:47,399
you know, very overtly about certain social themes in a

4078
03:13:47,440 --> 03:13:49,319
way that you know, kept that quality so you have

4079
03:13:49,399 --> 03:13:51,280
somengs like like why do you people have to live outside?

4080
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:54,840
Deliver with that kind of rancidness of inflection, but I

4081
03:13:54,879 --> 03:13:57,559
think it just chilled people. Like they write songs that

4082
03:13:57,680 --> 03:14:00,600
just kind of make you stop and take stock of

4083
03:14:00,639 --> 03:14:02,000
where you are in the world, like are you on

4084
03:14:02,079 --> 03:14:03,680
the up on the down? What is around you and

4085
03:14:03,719 --> 03:14:06,399
your surroundings, and that will bring us very neatly the

4086
03:14:06,440 --> 03:14:08,760
cool world because they also, as you're saying, they hammer

4087
03:14:08,840 --> 03:14:11,319
at home. I think sometimes noise rock and the stuff

4088
03:14:11,360 --> 03:14:14,079
that you know, I often like the atmosphere of noise rock,

4089
03:14:14,159 --> 03:14:18,440
but some bands just kind of, you know, they desiccate

4090
03:14:18,479 --> 03:14:21,440
and they fall apart. Yeah, and there's no real hammering

4091
03:14:21,799 --> 03:14:25,760
like you know, force at the center of it. Chappile

4092
03:14:25,840 --> 03:14:28,600
deliver it with so much sonic power as a band

4093
03:14:28,920 --> 03:14:32,600
that is taking cues from metal as much as it

4094
03:14:32,760 --> 03:14:34,920
is you know, stuff you call noise rock, and I

4095
03:14:34,959 --> 03:14:36,760
think that gives them an X factor compared to maybe

4096
03:14:36,799 --> 03:14:39,920
the more purely one thing or another type bands. And

4097
03:14:40,040 --> 03:14:42,280
my first thought when giving Cool World, my first spin

4098
03:14:42,479 --> 03:14:45,040
was Jesus, when did this band get so many riffs?

4099
03:14:47,520 --> 03:14:49,280
Speaker 4: Again, a lot of the stuff I've seen talking about

4100
03:14:49,280 --> 03:14:51,719
this record is how it's emotional, more vulnerable. It's talking

4101
03:14:51,719 --> 03:14:54,120
about macro world issues. That's all true, and we can

4102
03:14:54,159 --> 03:14:54,479
get to that.

4103
03:14:54,840 --> 03:14:57,600
Speaker 1: It fucking rocks. It's thugged out as hell.

4104
03:14:58,600 --> 03:15:01,079
Speaker 3: This the thing like this is the album that scared

4105
03:15:01,120 --> 03:15:02,159
me this month.

4106
03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:04,559
Speaker 2: This is the album that gave me this horrible feeling,

4107
03:15:04,680 --> 03:15:07,879
that pit in my stomach of just like God, everything

4108
03:15:08,000 --> 03:15:08,520
is awful.

4109
03:15:09,239 --> 03:15:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here anymore.

4110
03:15:11,000 --> 03:15:15,520
Speaker 2: And it's all because it fucking goes so unbelievably hard,

4111
03:15:16,079 --> 03:15:19,280
alongside a vocal per formance that is genuinely one of

4112
03:15:19,319 --> 03:15:21,760
the most upsetting things I've heard this year. And again,

4113
03:15:21,840 --> 03:15:25,200
like I found the Last Shop, I'm quite upsetting and challenging.

4114
03:15:25,639 --> 03:15:28,000
And I did like it first, and then it clicked

4115
03:15:28,079 --> 03:15:30,079
me and I was going, like, God, this band are something,

4116
03:15:31,280 --> 03:15:33,920
and on Cool World, I think they've become just one

4117
03:15:33,959 --> 03:15:38,719
of the most exciting individualistic and like I say, genuinely

4118
03:15:38,799 --> 03:15:42,840
scary and I'm saying but kind of cool and interesting

4119
03:15:42,920 --> 03:15:46,319
bands around. I think this album is like just an

4120
03:15:46,319 --> 03:15:48,079
astonishing piece of nightmare fuel.

4121
03:15:49,000 --> 03:15:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean you know that they are. They're the horrible

4122
03:15:51,079 --> 03:15:53,280
noise rock band who make everyone have a bad time. Yes,

4123
03:15:53,399 --> 03:15:56,360
but that wouldn't work as well if they didn't also

4124
03:15:56,479 --> 03:15:59,719
somehow have grooves that get the public, get people.

4125
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:02,680
Speaker 3: Like again, I saw them do this at Outbreak when

4126
03:16:02,680 --> 03:16:03,479
I was watching an Idea.

4127
03:16:03,559 --> 03:16:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't quite profes with what I was seeing

4128
03:16:05,479 --> 03:16:08,520
us on Outbreak because it's horrible music, but the riffs

4129
03:16:08,559 --> 03:16:12,239
and rus are so designed to stump across the stage

4130
03:16:12,280 --> 03:16:15,520
two and it and it bizarrely worked while still making me.

4131
03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:20,040
Speaker 1: And I think God's Country is maybe a little more

4132
03:16:20,079 --> 03:16:23,920
you know that decomposed, more of a slop, Yeah, like

4133
03:16:24,079 --> 03:16:26,920
upsetting raw meat dinner, you know, like here they've cooked

4134
03:16:26,920 --> 03:16:29,559
the meat a little bit better. And I think it's

4135
03:16:29,600 --> 03:16:32,879
you know, it's more consistently catchy and perhaps more conventional ways,

4136
03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:37,079
but just Jesus, those grooves. I think it's it's why

4137
03:16:38,120 --> 03:16:40,200
as well as well as strictly how it sounds, but

4138
03:16:40,280 --> 03:16:44,479
also just in principle, it's why they seem so spiritually

4139
03:16:44,520 --> 03:16:47,639
connected to a band like corn Where and one of

4140
03:16:47,719 --> 03:16:49,959
my one of the best readiscoveries I've had this year

4141
03:16:50,079 --> 03:16:53,399
is remembering what a fucking unbelievable band Corn were in

4142
03:16:53,479 --> 03:16:55,639
their hated So this has come on at a perfect

4143
03:16:55,719 --> 03:16:59,799
time and someone like Corner. They are both one of

4144
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:05,680
metal's premiere party bands and almost singularly responsible for bringing

4145
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:13,600
in that shadowy, uncomfortable, naked and afraid quality into the

4146
03:17:13,920 --> 03:17:16,200
public eye of metal and chatpile.

4147
03:17:16,639 --> 03:17:18,520
Speaker 4: Like I said, as much as they are the horrible band,

4148
03:17:18,600 --> 03:17:21,600
and a song like why kind of instills panicing you.

4149
03:17:22,200 --> 03:17:26,799
Even on that song the riff is fat and listening

4150
03:17:26,840 --> 03:17:31,159
to this record when those grooves come in, I can't

4151
03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:32,719
know what they feel so good?

4152
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, to a big degree, this is like the album

4153
03:17:36,920 --> 03:17:39,120
that kind of gives you hope for like the reviving

4154
03:17:39,200 --> 03:17:42,360
of new metal, because you know, like it's the side

4155
03:17:42,360 --> 03:17:44,159
of new metal where you're like, oh yeah, like that's

4156
03:17:44,280 --> 03:17:47,520
the thing which we can you know, draw in to

4157
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:51,440
kind of keep it, you know, uncompromising spirit intact. Because

4158
03:17:51,600 --> 03:17:54,079
I don't know if you saw someone on Twitter alerted

4159
03:17:54,159 --> 03:17:56,040
the band to the fact that the eleventh of October

4160
03:17:56,120 --> 03:17:59,239
twenty twenty four was release. You know, when this is

4161
03:17:59,280 --> 03:18:02,559
released years to the day that the debut Corn was released,

4162
03:18:02,600 --> 03:18:04,040
and they were like, we swear we didn't plan that,

4163
03:18:04,159 --> 03:18:07,159
but it does seem like cosmically aligned somehow, And it's

4164
03:18:07,239 --> 03:18:09,239
just wonderful because it's like this really has the thing

4165
03:18:09,319 --> 03:18:12,200
that Korn did on their earliest albums that are sepulturey

4166
03:18:12,319 --> 03:18:14,559
did on Roots, which again, you know, chap Pile of

4167
03:18:14,600 --> 03:18:16,879
covered roots belly Roots is not a surprising influence. But

4168
03:18:17,319 --> 03:18:18,680
and then you know, bands like Helmet and so on

4169
03:18:18,760 --> 03:18:21,360
before then kind of laying the groundwork those riffs, you know,

4170
03:18:21,399 --> 03:18:25,399
when they weren't a knuckleheaded commercial thing, but they were

4171
03:18:25,600 --> 03:18:32,000
sparking some kind of like meaner, crueler, more antagonistic musical

4172
03:18:32,120 --> 03:18:35,079
revolution in kind of you know, heavy riffing. All of

4173
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:37,280
those characteristics about like the debut Corn that make it

4174
03:18:37,440 --> 03:18:40,840
as much a part of the extreme music pantheon as

4175
03:18:40,879 --> 03:18:44,360
it is the commercial metal pantheon. Those are the things

4176
03:18:44,920 --> 03:18:45,879
showing up here not.

4177
03:18:45,959 --> 03:18:47,520
Speaker 2: Giving a kick it as much as you did last month,

4178
03:18:47,559 --> 03:18:52,079
but like Vended aren't gonna sound as genuinely unhinged and

4179
03:18:52,760 --> 03:18:54,959
scaring heavy as Chap I'll here do, because you know,

4180
03:18:55,639 --> 03:18:57,120
it is that neumel of a thing, But this is

4181
03:18:57,200 --> 03:18:59,319
doing it in a way that is that captures that

4182
03:18:59,440 --> 03:19:03,120
spirit of like when it was actually kind of scary

4183
03:19:03,239 --> 03:19:05,799
and new and different and you didn't know it for

4184
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:07,840
and not you know, just kind of like, oh, we're

4185
03:19:07,879 --> 03:19:11,639
the spooky, scary kids like Chappell actually sound menacing in

4186
03:19:11,719 --> 03:19:14,200
a way that any band who want us who try

4187
03:19:14,280 --> 03:19:15,639
and sound menacing actually can't.

4188
03:19:16,639 --> 03:19:18,360
Speaker 4: And like you look at Vended or just pick any

4189
03:19:18,680 --> 03:19:21,680
of the new metal revival bands, and one things some

4190
03:19:21,719 --> 03:19:24,479
of those bands seems to either misunderstand or just ignore

4191
03:19:25,239 --> 03:19:29,520
is why stuff like the early Corner records or Sepultur

4192
03:19:29,799 --> 03:19:33,120
or any of those bands is so affecting. And on

4193
03:19:33,239 --> 03:19:35,200
a surface level, it's easy to go, oh, quite loud,

4194
03:19:35,280 --> 03:19:37,600
quite loud, big seven string.

4195
03:19:37,440 --> 03:19:41,639
Speaker 1: Rift that just goes dough dough dough do. But going

4196
03:19:41,719 --> 03:19:45,120
back to that original first Corner record, there's an imperfection.

4197
03:19:45,360 --> 03:19:47,959
There's a push and paul, there's there's weird noises, there's

4198
03:19:48,159 --> 03:19:51,399
a ramshackle quality to it, and that's what makes people

4199
03:19:52,840 --> 03:19:56,239
go feral when it's played. It's not some pro tool, boring,

4200
03:19:56,360 --> 03:19:58,799
lifeless just eight.

4201
03:19:58,719 --> 03:20:01,719
Speaker 4: String rift over and over again. And because Chappile aren't

4202
03:20:01,799 --> 03:20:03,840
interested in, oh, what's going to sound good on the

4203
03:20:03,879 --> 03:20:07,239
main stage at download, they end up writing riffs that

4204
03:20:07,319 --> 03:20:09,959
would sound brilliant on the main stage at download in

4205
03:20:10,079 --> 03:20:13,600
the process of writing songs that would only sound good

4206
03:20:13,639 --> 03:20:14,559
in a wet cellar.

4207
03:20:15,719 --> 03:20:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've adopted that kind of brilliant ability to turn

4208
03:20:18,719 --> 03:20:24,000
a like a limited amount of notes into actually highly malleable. Yeah,

4209
03:20:24,239 --> 03:20:26,879
riffs like I Am Dog Now it's got, you know,

4210
03:20:27,920 --> 03:20:30,920
brilliantly instantly memeable title the way that Chappile are very

4211
03:20:31,000 --> 03:20:33,239
quickly proven, very skilled at. But him like hollering that

4212
03:20:33,799 --> 03:20:38,360
is unforgettable in that like reduction to bestial animal state

4213
03:20:38,479 --> 03:20:41,319
that the whole album kind of sounds like, and the

4214
03:20:41,399 --> 03:20:44,319
production like that is it's more honed and together than

4215
03:20:44,520 --> 03:20:48,079
God's Country was. But they really know how and when

4216
03:20:48,159 --> 03:20:50,520
to just turn all like the amps just all the

4217
03:20:50,600 --> 03:20:53,559
fucking way up, and the drums are still about as

4218
03:20:53,639 --> 03:20:56,520
god flesh jackhammer as a real human drummer could be.

4219
03:20:56,840 --> 03:21:02,200
The bass tone is fucking ridiculous on this album. Yeah,

4220
03:21:02,440 --> 03:21:05,319
And I think in a way, you know it, maybe

4221
03:21:05,399 --> 03:21:07,000
this has kind of tidied up what was going on

4222
03:21:07,079 --> 03:21:09,319
on God's Country, And I can see why someone might,

4223
03:21:09,559 --> 03:21:12,040
you know, if there's someone out there who really prefers

4224
03:21:12,079 --> 03:21:14,920
that particular flavor of the debut album, I can understand that,

4225
03:21:15,040 --> 03:21:17,799
but for a band I thought were incredible at making

4226
03:21:17,879 --> 03:21:20,600
you feel bad more than I thought they did have

4227
03:21:20,680 --> 03:21:22,360
some but more than I thought they were the most

4228
03:21:22,440 --> 03:21:26,479
incredible songwriters. Yet I couldn't believe the stream of bangers

4229
03:21:26,479 --> 03:21:28,440
that this albums you with, Like coming out of the gate,

4230
03:21:28,520 --> 03:21:30,799
it's like hit after it hit, all the way through

4231
03:21:30,799 --> 03:21:32,319
into like the second half of the track list, just

4232
03:21:32,920 --> 03:21:33,760
riff after riff.

4233
03:21:34,680 --> 03:21:38,319
Speaker 4: I would I don't agree that they weren't great songwriters,

4234
03:21:38,319 --> 03:21:40,159
but I would conceide that a large part of the

4235
03:21:40,200 --> 03:21:43,239
appeal of God's Country wasn't necessarily in the individual songs themselves.

4236
03:21:43,319 --> 03:21:48,120
It was, you know, the horrible industrial, bleak landscape. It

4237
03:21:48,200 --> 03:21:51,799
drags you into this record much more than the previous one.

4238
03:21:51,840 --> 03:21:55,239
I could just put on individual tunes and rock out

4239
03:21:55,319 --> 03:21:58,879
and songs which are in many ways no less intense

4240
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:02,319
or no less depraved that like I Am Dog Now

4241
03:22:02,520 --> 03:22:06,200
that's just an absolute jam shame, which sounds almost more

4242
03:22:06,280 --> 03:22:07,920
like them trying to do a joy division kind of

4243
03:22:07,920 --> 03:22:10,799
got a jangly, spangly riff like near spoken word delivery,

4244
03:22:10,840 --> 03:22:14,399
but yet super catchy in its course, and big old

4245
03:22:14,440 --> 03:22:18,239
death metal beat Down, which quite pleased about, but something

4246
03:22:18,319 --> 03:22:21,360
like Frownland, I refuse to believe that if you like

4247
03:22:22,799 --> 03:22:25,280
really heavy music or death tones or anything that group.

4248
03:22:25,399 --> 03:22:27,479
Speaker 1: I mean that Center's Apprentice, isn't it that groove?

4249
03:22:28,600 --> 03:22:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

4250
03:22:28,920 --> 03:22:34,079
Speaker 1: But fine, that works for me, And like me and

4251
03:22:34,120 --> 03:22:36,719
my mate, we sort of we're both super excited at

4252
03:22:36,760 --> 03:22:38,840
this record. We decided like we'd listened to it at

4253
03:22:38,879 --> 03:22:40,959
the same time in a remote listening session, and when

4254
03:22:41,000 --> 03:22:44,040
that groove first comes in, especially in the verse, our

4255
03:22:44,079 --> 03:22:45,840
little chat just lit up because.

4256
03:22:45,600 --> 03:22:48,280
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

4257
03:22:48,280 --> 03:22:55,959
Speaker 4: Because the propulsive sensation of it is just like it

4258
03:22:56,040 --> 03:22:58,079
gets you in your gut in the way that great

4259
03:22:58,680 --> 03:22:59,920
low end metal should.

4260
03:23:00,879 --> 03:23:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, you know, maybe it says something about

4261
03:23:02,719 --> 03:23:04,680
you know, the listener, But basically, if you fall in

4262
03:23:04,760 --> 03:23:07,079
that cross section of the diagram where you want something

4263
03:23:07,200 --> 03:23:11,280
that's this gnarly and twisted and again like the bass

4264
03:23:11,319 --> 03:23:14,040
strings are tuned so low they're barely attached to the

4265
03:23:14,319 --> 03:23:16,520
net anymore. But you will also hear a riff like

4266
03:23:16,559 --> 03:23:19,440
that and go, oh, banger, get down to this. You know,

4267
03:23:19,639 --> 03:23:21,760
his record is just fucking full of them, like funny Man.

4268
03:23:22,000 --> 03:23:24,879
So again, in that kind of Corn Realm, which again

4269
03:23:25,079 --> 03:23:27,159
of like you know, I don't listen to Corn as

4270
03:23:27,239 --> 03:23:28,680
much as I did when I was a teenager, but

4271
03:23:28,760 --> 03:23:30,200
that first record is just like, you know, one of

4272
03:23:30,239 --> 03:23:32,559
the greatest eva and it's really wonderful to hear something

4273
03:23:33,079 --> 03:23:38,200
capturing that kind of energy in the uncompromising, underground kind

4274
03:23:38,239 --> 03:23:42,120
of context, not just you know, vying for popular attention

4275
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:44,639
by doing kind of what they did. And the verse

4276
03:23:44,719 --> 03:23:50,280
is a funny man with that ridiculous like carnivalistic beer

4277
03:23:50,959 --> 03:23:54,079
like sneaking guitar loid. It's so odd and such an

4278
03:23:54,120 --> 03:23:57,000
earworm and yet doesn't really let you off the you know,

4279
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:03,399
the the hook the riff on tape is fucking insane. Yeah,

4280
03:24:03,879 --> 03:24:05,680
it's got this sort of like death and there's this

4281
03:24:05,879 --> 03:24:08,600
light footedness that you think would be kind of played

4282
03:24:08,639 --> 03:24:11,360
for speed and energy, but somehow they've mixed it so

4283
03:24:11,559 --> 03:24:14,600
brutally heavy that it just bypasses that and goes right

4284
03:24:14,680 --> 03:24:17,000
back to crushing again. And another one of the bands

4285
03:24:17,000 --> 03:24:18,479
I was thinking about in terms of the rif strutching

4286
03:24:18,520 --> 03:24:20,440
every thing and someone like Shallac who had that, like

4287
03:24:21,360 --> 03:24:23,760
you know, rock music boiled down to its like most

4288
03:24:23,879 --> 03:24:25,959
basible components. But I think Shallack kind of played that

4289
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:29,600
in a very like, you know, quite stripped back purity

4290
03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:32,920
kind of way more than it was like overwhelming you

4291
03:24:33,040 --> 03:24:36,479
with the power of that fucking thing. Chappile have like

4292
03:24:36,760 --> 03:24:40,159
cranked it just sort of disgusting levels and they've crossed

4293
03:24:40,200 --> 03:24:42,280
bread that you know, that Shallack approach with that like

4294
03:24:42,360 --> 03:24:47,200
you know, nineties fucking low end on roots metal distortion,

4295
03:24:47,559 --> 03:24:50,440
and it just it it's just so primal.

4296
03:24:51,319 --> 03:24:54,760
Speaker 4: I mean, the way this band understand tension and release

4297
03:24:55,280 --> 03:24:57,360
the New World, which the first time I heard this

4298
03:24:57,440 --> 03:24:58,959
record wasn't one of the songs that it merely stood

4299
03:24:59,000 --> 03:24:59,280
out to me.

4300
03:24:59,680 --> 03:25:02,600
Speaker 1: But when they build that, most are dragged, Most are dragged, most.

4301
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:04,920
Speaker 4: To drag, kicking and screaming out over and over again,

4302
03:25:04,959 --> 03:25:08,079
building and building, and the release of into the New

4303
03:25:08,159 --> 03:25:12,559
World just wretched out. It's like it's again, it's the

4304
03:25:12,639 --> 03:25:15,799
same feeling as there's kerosene around something to do that

4305
03:25:15,920 --> 03:25:18,959
building to set me on fire. It just you know,

4306
03:25:19,079 --> 03:25:21,959
on paper, it might not sound like the most complicated

4307
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:24,360
or exciting thing in the world, and it's not like

4308
03:25:24,479 --> 03:25:29,440
it's not complicated, but something simple performed expertly is as

4309
03:25:29,479 --> 03:25:33,280
effective as anything. And I can't think of many bands

4310
03:25:33,319 --> 03:25:36,000
who are as good at that, certainly to emerge in

4311
03:25:36,040 --> 03:25:37,239
the last couple of years.

4312
03:25:38,360 --> 03:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean The New World is one of my

4313
03:25:39,639 --> 03:25:41,440
Favorit drafts in the records well because that chorus it's

4314
03:25:41,479 --> 03:25:43,600
just like ah, and I can't stress how good the

4315
03:25:43,719 --> 03:25:47,520
vocalist is in terms of, you know, getting through to you,

4316
03:25:47,719 --> 03:25:50,319
because you know that mid section of Iron Dog now

4317
03:25:50,319 --> 03:25:53,440
where he's just sort of wordlessly reverberating. It doesn't sound

4318
03:25:53,559 --> 03:25:55,399
exactly the same, but one of the only things I

4319
03:25:55,479 --> 03:25:57,760
could compare it to that gets a similar sort of

4320
03:25:57,760 --> 03:25:59,680
effect are like some of the vocals and the black

4321
03:25:59,719 --> 03:26:03,719
metal band voices when they veer a more conventional black

4322
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,639
girl screams and just kind of go oh, kind of

4323
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:08,120
put daggers in you. It's like that, And so much

4324
03:26:08,159 --> 03:26:10,799
of what he's doing feels like he's just you know,

4325
03:26:11,000 --> 03:26:13,520
tormented by things that he's he's witnessed and he doesn't

4326
03:26:13,559 --> 03:26:15,879
know how to kind of shake it out of himself,

4327
03:26:15,920 --> 03:26:17,799
which you know, obviously certainly, you know, in the kind

4328
03:26:17,799 --> 03:26:20,840
of time since God's Country came out, you know, seeing

4329
03:26:20,879 --> 03:26:23,440
stuff come out of like Palestine every day for a year,

4330
03:26:23,719 --> 03:26:26,479
which seems to kind of a lot. It seems to

4331
03:26:26,520 --> 03:26:28,120
you know, elude to. I'm sure a lot of people

4332
03:26:28,120 --> 03:26:29,600
will feel that kind of way in terms of, you know,

4333
03:26:29,959 --> 03:26:32,239
seeing things and feeling like how do I, you know,

4334
03:26:32,639 --> 03:26:35,680
what do I do with this? And similar kind of

4335
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:37,959
feeling of something like I seen footage by death Grips

4336
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:41,239
and that sense of like witnessing atrocities online in the

4337
03:26:41,280 --> 03:26:45,440
Internet age that are kind of disconnected from us, yet

4338
03:26:45,559 --> 03:26:47,360
somehow feel like they are, you know, all around us,

4339
03:26:47,360 --> 03:26:48,799
and it kind of sends us all a bit demented,

4340
03:26:48,840 --> 03:26:50,440
you know, when on tape he's yelling that it was

4341
03:26:50,479 --> 03:26:52,760
the worst I ever saw, alternating with you know they

4342
03:26:52,799 --> 03:26:54,639
made tapes and if I could I kill them all

4343
03:26:55,040 --> 03:26:59,200
without any like elaborationally specifics. Really it's you know, it's

4344
03:26:59,200 --> 03:27:01,600
like the musical equival of the videotape scene and kill

4345
03:27:01,639 --> 03:27:03,920
List or something, where like what has he seen? Like

4346
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:06,280
how is he this fucked up by it? It's it's

4347
03:27:06,479 --> 03:27:09,360
vague in the best kind of way that Hammer's home,

4348
03:27:09,479 --> 03:27:12,319
like the just the elemental terror and feeling of it.

4349
03:27:12,520 --> 03:27:14,120
Speaker 2: I think this is just the thing with this album,

4350
03:27:14,280 --> 03:27:16,920
is it Like there were so many points I like

4351
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:18,680
it does just kind of bring this start where I

4352
03:27:18,799 --> 03:27:22,399
was like, it is so easy now to see these atrostees,

4353
03:27:22,600 --> 03:27:24,520
like you don't even have to go looking for them anymore,

4354
03:27:24,520 --> 03:27:27,120
that they are just passed in you. And that is

4355
03:27:27,239 --> 03:27:29,280
kind of like a real world horror that like, again

4356
03:27:29,319 --> 03:27:30,760
I've kind of seen it and there shook me.

4357
03:27:30,840 --> 03:27:34,479
Speaker 3: And again, like how convincing they portray this.

4358
03:27:34,959 --> 03:27:38,120
Speaker 2: It like, of course so many songs that that again

4359
03:27:38,319 --> 03:27:41,319
our bangers, but they still feel scary because of that

4360
03:27:41,680 --> 03:27:46,440
vocal delivery and that like unflinching realness. It's it's such

4361
03:27:46,479 --> 03:27:48,680
a like amazing kind of like balancing that they put

4362
03:27:48,719 --> 03:27:50,760
off with this that one of the best vocal ons

4363
03:27:50,799 --> 03:27:53,639
of the year, just in how like one of a kind.

4364
03:27:53,920 --> 03:27:55,440
Speaker 3: And again, like it's not as.

4365
03:27:57,040 --> 03:27:59,440
Speaker 2: Constant horror as maybe the debut was, because there is

4366
03:27:59,639 --> 03:28:02,079
you know a bit of a Titan musical canvas, but

4367
03:28:02,120 --> 03:28:04,559
the fact they can still convey that horror so convincedly,

4368
03:28:04,600 --> 03:28:07,159
and then you know, you can get a song like Camcorder,

4369
03:28:07,159 --> 03:28:09,559
which is full on just kind of low rumbling doom.

4370
03:28:09,600 --> 03:28:11,040
Speaker 3: We're like it's some musms.

4371
03:28:11,120 --> 03:28:13,000
Speaker 2: It feels like he's taking on a character and not

4372
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:16,639
kind of like just expressing horror real world stuff, and

4373
03:28:16,760 --> 03:28:21,280
it's still just as scary and the tension never lets up.

4374
03:28:21,280 --> 03:28:23,239
Even that you get these moments of complete release where

4375
03:28:23,239 --> 03:28:25,440
it's like, here's the sickest fuck rift.

4376
03:28:25,239 --> 03:28:28,239
Speaker 3: To bounce to, you still kind of almost feel dirty

4377
03:28:28,319 --> 03:28:28,600
doing that.

4378
03:28:29,760 --> 03:28:31,479
Speaker 1: I mean, camcorder is almost like the kind of the

4379
03:28:31,639 --> 03:28:35,600
Yin and yang, the prelude to tape. So there's a

4380
03:28:35,639 --> 03:28:38,280
thought I had about well, just about just the thought

4381
03:28:38,280 --> 03:28:40,239
I had in general in lighter listening to this record.

4382
03:28:40,840 --> 03:28:43,600
And one of the things that's cool about cool One

4383
03:28:43,639 --> 03:28:46,040
of the things that's unique about chap Pard and fascinating

4384
03:28:46,079 --> 03:28:48,879
about them is, like you say, painting the idea that

4385
03:28:49,239 --> 03:28:52,319
they've been driven mad by something, and it's not necessarily

4386
03:28:52,360 --> 03:28:55,440
clear what there is at any given point. But the

4387
03:28:55,559 --> 03:28:58,719
songs on this record and the themes on the first

4388
03:28:58,760 --> 03:29:01,319
one of like capitalism and living in one of these

4389
03:29:01,360 --> 03:29:04,159
forgotten parts of the country where it feels like no

4390
03:29:04,200 --> 03:29:04,959
one cares about you.

4391
03:29:05,639 --> 03:29:08,159
Speaker 4: It's like, if you run an experiment where you've got

4392
03:29:08,200 --> 03:29:10,760
someone to live that life of going and working in

4393
03:29:10,840 --> 03:29:14,399
a failing factory every day, coming home, having no money,

4394
03:29:14,520 --> 03:29:17,000
going on the internet and watching atrocities across the world,

4395
03:29:17,040 --> 03:29:20,479
if that was a test subject, that would be considered cruel.

4396
03:29:20,959 --> 03:29:24,200
And that's life for so and the sound of this

4397
03:29:24,399 --> 03:29:28,280
record is someone who's been driven mad by that, and

4398
03:29:28,360 --> 03:29:33,520
it's something that's not a fiction, and yeah, managed to

4399
03:29:33,600 --> 03:29:36,319
craft songs and art from it.

4400
03:29:37,280 --> 03:29:39,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely and so like you know, last month, Elliott, we

4401
03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:41,799
reviewed the new album from The Jesus Lizards, and you know,

4402
03:29:41,879 --> 03:29:44,559
that was a good record, good comeback record, and that's

4403
03:29:44,600 --> 03:29:47,959
a legendary band, but that felt more like an elder

4404
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:50,479
band kind of returning to something they've you know, they

4405
03:29:50,600 --> 03:29:53,280
well worn. This just feels like a band who are

4406
03:29:53,440 --> 03:29:56,280
currently going through it, you know, like it's this is

4407
03:29:56,680 --> 03:30:01,840
overflowing with all of the viscerally disgusting feelings that they

4408
03:30:01,879 --> 03:30:04,639
can then turn into this, which you know, for how

4409
03:30:04,719 --> 03:30:07,120
much more polished this is than God's Country, It's My

4410
03:30:07,239 --> 03:30:10,680
God Is. It's still a raw nerve and I just

4411
03:30:10,760 --> 03:30:14,840
love how every guitar they add on to this manages

4412
03:30:14,879 --> 03:30:16,639
to do the exact right thing to make a song

4413
03:30:16,719 --> 03:30:20,399
simultaneously more involving and grimy and weird, like the guitar

4414
03:30:20,479 --> 03:30:23,760
leve for the final five odd seconds of Iron Dog.

4415
03:30:23,840 --> 03:30:25,840
Now it's almost I fucking threaderc from a Sugar has

4416
03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:29,479
turned up just tho it's bananas and that's just I

4417
03:30:29,520 --> 03:30:31,040
you want to go back to as well. Earlier, Elliott,

4418
03:30:31,040 --> 03:30:33,159
you mentioned that they're building on like the alternative rock

4419
03:30:33,239 --> 03:30:35,319
side of what they do as well, which you know,

4420
03:30:35,440 --> 03:30:37,000
go back to God's Country. There's songs like Pamela and

4421
03:30:37,040 --> 03:30:38,799
stuff that kind of have that. But but Shame is

4422
03:30:38,879 --> 03:30:42,840
like actually melodic and almost pretty if it wasn't for

4423
03:30:42,959 --> 03:30:47,040
how desiccated the delivery sounds like. That's I guess the

4424
03:30:47,120 --> 03:30:49,479
closest thing that Chat Pyle have to a radio single,

4425
03:30:49,760 --> 03:30:52,639
and it's brilliantly them and obviously not at all that

4426
03:30:53,040 --> 03:30:55,360
and it's you know, obviously Trap two is a very

4427
03:30:55,360 --> 03:30:57,879
immediately got a new flavor and the full death metal

4428
03:30:57,959 --> 03:31:01,159
vocals in the middle like got rules or not? That

4429
03:31:01,280 --> 03:31:01,680
scared me.

4430
03:31:01,719 --> 03:31:04,559
Speaker 3: Aggressive that again, that scared me. That is what was like,

4431
03:31:04,639 --> 03:31:06,559
fucking hell, what's going on now? All of a sudden,

4432
03:31:06,719 --> 03:31:07,840
Like yeah, but.

4433
03:31:07,879 --> 03:31:10,239
Speaker 1: That's like again more like fucking you know, spectral voice

4434
03:31:10,360 --> 03:31:13,319
death doom type vocals or something. Just loved hearing that,

4435
03:31:13,440 --> 03:31:14,879
not just that it's on a chap Pile record, but

4436
03:31:14,920 --> 03:31:16,959
it's on like one of their most melodic songs, and

4437
03:31:17,079 --> 03:31:21,559
that just appears and like Milk of Human Kindness is

4438
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:24,200
the you know, similar kind of death grunge stuff that

4439
03:31:24,280 --> 03:31:26,120
Code Orange were drawing on on like dreams in Inertia,

4440
03:31:26,159 --> 03:31:27,959
but the way he slips into that like you know,

4441
03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:32,000
sleeping pilled kind of moan for that chorus of I

4442
03:31:32,079 --> 03:31:34,479
screamed about it all night and then opening up on

4443
03:31:34,559 --> 03:31:37,040
that nightmare howl of I'd heard nothing about the way

4444
03:31:37,079 --> 03:31:42,159
they burn just properly, just that it's not just that

4445
03:31:42,319 --> 03:31:43,600
noise of thing of like, oh, you don't know what

4446
03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:45,799
they're talking about. It's unsettling, they're kind of crazy whatever.

4447
03:31:46,120 --> 03:31:49,440
It's like I can visual he's talking about. I think

4448
03:31:49,440 --> 03:31:51,200
on this is the problem, Like yeah, I mean I

4449
03:31:52,159 --> 03:31:55,959
can visualize not just what he's alluding to, but also

4450
03:31:57,000 --> 03:31:59,879
what states that guy is in, and he's on these

4451
03:32:00,360 --> 03:32:04,120
massive fucking like head not a groove. It's just shocking

4452
03:32:04,360 --> 03:32:08,959
how well honed into like sharp direct hits. This has

4453
03:32:09,000 --> 03:32:12,520
managed to like make chat Pile sound, but it's also

4454
03:32:12,680 --> 03:32:16,440
still so capturing of the kind of existential misery and

4455
03:32:16,520 --> 03:32:19,040
that kind of you know, the oppressive structures beating you

4456
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:21,719
down to the dirt of the of the first album. Yeah,

4457
03:32:21,719 --> 03:32:24,239
I've heard some people, as a criticism of this say, oh,

4458
03:32:24,280 --> 03:32:26,879
it's not that much of a leap forward. It's it.

4459
03:32:27,000 --> 03:32:29,200
Speaker 4: It feels more like a sequel to God's Country than

4460
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:32,879
it does its own distinct thing. And to me, like

4461
03:32:33,079 --> 03:32:36,639
if you come up with a new sound, you should

4462
03:32:36,639 --> 03:32:39,319
be allowed to explore that for a little bit before

4463
03:32:39,559 --> 03:32:42,559
being expected to move on. But also it does almost

4464
03:32:42,600 --> 03:32:44,399
everything you'd want a follow up album to do. It

4465
03:32:44,920 --> 03:32:46,680
hones a lot of the stuff that makes the first

4466
03:32:46,719 --> 03:32:51,760
record special. It sounds bigger and bolder, it's more varied

4467
03:32:51,959 --> 03:32:54,639
than the first record. I think this is just a

4468
03:32:54,799 --> 03:32:56,319
triumph on all fronts.

4469
03:32:58,760 --> 03:33:00,799
Speaker 1: In amazing how many times we said that in this

4470
03:33:00,959 --> 03:33:05,200
particular reviews Brackett an awful lot of albums. Wow, what

4471
03:33:05,399 --> 03:33:09,120
a show that was in terms of delivering those records

4472
03:33:09,200 --> 03:33:10,959
that really I mean not not for us to take

4473
03:33:10,959 --> 03:33:12,479
too much of the credit, of course, but like wow,

4474
03:33:13,319 --> 03:33:14,159
some bands really.

4475
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:17,399
Speaker 3: Credit.

4476
03:33:18,319 --> 03:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, as said, putting those records on

4477
03:33:22,879 --> 03:33:24,959
our plates from the you know, from these bands in question.

4478
03:33:25,120 --> 03:33:28,959
Absolutely Uh, some of the the the standout music of

4479
03:33:29,600 --> 03:33:32,399
you know, the the year and recent months certainly come

4480
03:33:32,479 --> 03:33:37,000
in there. What a band of albums that was. Let

4481
03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:40,440
us know which ones are your favorites, please do each

4482
03:33:40,479 --> 03:33:42,000
and every one of them is worth is worth checking

4483
03:33:42,040 --> 03:33:45,840
out and and gaining something from So cheers everybody for

4484
03:33:46,000 --> 03:33:51,399
listening as we guide you through that selection. We will

4485
03:33:51,440 --> 03:33:54,680
be back next week with a considerably shorter show. There

4486
03:33:54,719 --> 03:33:56,760
should be enough to like you feast on for a

4487
03:33:56,840 --> 03:33:59,639
little while because, as said, a lot going on there.

4488
03:34:00,159 --> 03:34:03,680
Thank you very much for being here with us. Do

4489
03:34:03,959 --> 03:34:06,920
check out. You know, last week we had the Damnation

4490
03:34:08,079 --> 03:34:11,200
Festival album club pack doubled up as a preview. But

4491
03:34:11,200 --> 03:34:12,959
even if you're not going to Damnation, first of all,

4492
03:34:13,079 --> 03:34:16,479
it's just an album club pack on some absolutely stellar

4493
03:34:17,479 --> 03:34:20,959
records coming from that kind of realm. I mean, hear nothing,

4494
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:24,079
see nothing, Saying nothing by Discharge was a fucking first

4495
03:34:24,159 --> 03:34:26,040
draft album clubic for a long long time, and we

4496
03:34:26,120 --> 03:34:28,280
just finally got around to doing it because of this,

4497
03:34:28,520 --> 03:34:30,920
but so much involved their hatred from Han Kaine by

4498
03:34:30,959 --> 03:34:33,360
Dragon the Sunlight. Speaking of that, you know, obviously next

4499
03:34:33,360 --> 03:34:35,840
weekend that's where we will be, where plenty of us

4500
03:34:35,920 --> 03:34:38,040
will be, and we will be reporting on that in

4501
03:34:38,159 --> 03:34:40,000
the aftermath. But there will be a lot more to

4502
03:34:40,079 --> 03:34:44,040
come on the Patreon feed and stuff like that following

4503
03:34:44,120 --> 03:34:46,840
that as well, so we'll see you there for all

4504
03:34:47,040 --> 03:34:51,200
of that. Cheers everybody, into the stargate