Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm WBZY, Boston's news radio.
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Speaker 2: Gee.
Speaker 3: Now, all of a sudden, May after sixty whatever, sixty
Speaker 3: one years after the Kennedy assassination, the FBI has found
Speaker 3: three thousand more records. Isn't that amazing? Just amazing? Well,
Speaker 3: thank goodness that Donald Trump has ordered that everything come out,
Speaker 3: and it had better come out.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray.
Speaker 3: That has been sort of one of the most important
Speaker 3: events in the lifetime of all of us who consider
Speaker 3: themselves baby boomers. And we will probably follow up on
Speaker 3: that tomorrow a little bit, but maybe we will finally
Speaker 3: get an answer as to what really happened in Dallas,
Speaker 3: Texas on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. My name
Speaker 3: is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside. Rob Brooks,
Speaker 3: the producer of this fine program, is back in broad
Speaker 3: Cast Central, all set to take your phone calls, but
Speaker 3: not until after nine o'clock tonight. We will talk about
Speaker 3: that decision by the SJC today to deny Karen Reid's
Speaker 3: appeal that her case should have been handled differently. We'll
Speaker 3: talk with Attorney Phil Tracy. I think the State Supreme
Speaker 3: Court missed the forest for the trees today. They had
Speaker 3: an opportunity to instruct judges, to me more diligent when
Speaker 3: dealing with a situation like the Read trial. That judge,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, should have simply asked those jurors who
Speaker 3: came back saying that they were deadlocked, to you deadlocked
Speaker 3: on all of the counts of the indictment or just on.
Speaker 2: Some of the counts.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we'll deal with that at ten, and then
Speaker 3: later on I'm going to talk about the USAID controversy
Speaker 3: and all of that. A very interesting news conference that
Speaker 3: Elon Musk held today in the Oval Office with Donald
Speaker 3: Trump sitting at the resolute desk. First, though, we are
Speaker 3: going to talk about four subjects that I think are
Speaker 3: particularly interesting. Going to start off with the high incidents
Speaker 3: of scams that seemed to be happening on social media
Speaker 3: with us is Framush to Rabbi, a financial expert. Fernush,
Speaker 3: Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm hanging in there. I'm delighted that the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 3: files three thousand more files have been found. Good work
Speaker 3: for the FBI.
Speaker 4: I'll be listening tomorrow for the updates right in the
Speaker 4: morning for.
Speaker 3: Well we will say, look, all of us are getting inundated,
Speaker 3: inundated in our phone conversations, and our telephones ring and
Speaker 3: are how can we stop this? I thought that the
Speaker 3: federal government could shut down some.
Speaker 2: Of these scam artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm serious, this is this is ridiculous. I had
Speaker 3: one guy called today. I couldn't even understand what language
Speaker 3: a guy was speaking, and I basically said, hey, you've
Speaker 3: reached I'm a police detective. You better get rid of
Speaker 3: my phone call, out of your rolodex, or I'm going
Speaker 3: to issue an arrest ward for you, buddy. And I
Speaker 3: mean you have threatened the guy. I will where he was,
Speaker 3: whether he was in America. He didn't sound like he
Speaker 3: was in America, and the connection certainly didn't sound like
Speaker 3: he was an American. This is insane what we're having
Speaker 3: to deal with these days. What can we do?
Speaker 4: You're right, it has really gotten out of control. I
Speaker 4: think the thing I want everyone to know is that
Speaker 4: this is preventable. I mean, what you did was brave.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have engaged. I think
Speaker 4: I would have just ignored. But it's really important that
Speaker 4: we understand.
Speaker 2: All the time. I engage all the time.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you got to record it. You got
Speaker 4: to record it next time and play it for us.
Speaker 4: But I think I think education is really important. Right,
Speaker 4: So we know that the scams are are everywhere, particularly
Speaker 4: on social media. So there was a recent study out
Speaker 4: of JP Morgan Chase. They found that nearly fifty percent
Speaker 4: of scams reported to Chase by their customers originate on
Speaker 4: social media. And the scammers are often asking for payments
Speaker 4: through zell or wire transfers, and so that's the first
Speaker 4: thing to just be aware of. So when you kind
Speaker 4: of come across these sorts of ads and listings that
Speaker 4: your you know, your radar goes up. A lot of
Speaker 4: the scammed items that we're seeing on social media marketplaces
Speaker 4: are rental properties, home services, pets, and event tickets like
Speaker 4: concert tickets. And how it usually happens. The way it
Speaker 4: plays out is that you'll see these listings that are
Speaker 4: just too good to be true. The price is really low.
Speaker 4: You call up a friend, You're like, I can't believe
Speaker 4: I saw these tickets for you know this sports game,
Speaker 4: it was like the cheapest eventor scene. That's a red flag.
Speaker 4: And what's even more is that they will insist that
Speaker 4: you pay with a payment method that does not come
Speaker 4: with purchase protection. So the problem there is is if
Speaker 4: you actually make the transaction, you give them money, then
Speaker 4: you never get the product, or you get it but
Speaker 4: it's subpar. Now you're out. You know, however much money
Speaker 4: you spent on that on that item.
Speaker 3: Well, we have here in Massachusetts lately a lot of
Speaker 3: people are getting scam requests that they somehow have either
Speaker 3: parking tickets in arrears or they haven't paid their tolls
Speaker 3: on the Massachusetts Turnpike. And it's I can't of imagine
Speaker 3: anybody falling for this, but I do realize that there
Speaker 3: are people who who want to never want to worry
Speaker 3: about something, and it plays on people's fears in their anxieties.
Speaker 3: And that's why I turned it around with the guy today.
Speaker 3: I wanted to play on his fear and hearings, his
Speaker 3: anxiety of getting.
Speaker 4: Getted, getting found out. Right, Well, you're absolutely right, yeah,
Speaker 4: just scare the hell out of them. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I think you're right though about you know, these scammers
Speaker 4: banking on us kind of acting in a way that
Speaker 4: is irrational or does sort of like what they try
Speaker 4: to do essentially, So let's go through the red flags
Speaker 4: they try to really, you know, besides the fact that
Speaker 4: you know, it seems like too good to be true
Speaker 4: and that's a red flag, like the price is so low,
Speaker 4: the other thing they'll try to do is to push
Speaker 4: you to purchase quickly. They create this fall sense of urgency,
Speaker 4: and as humans, you know, we all want a good
Speaker 4: deal and we get scared when we find out that like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this amazing deal is going to go away,
Speaker 4: it's going to expire. I have to act now, and
Speaker 4: so we rush to make a purchase, and in the
Speaker 4: those seconds, we don't have the kind of clarity that
Speaker 4: is really important in those moments to double check what
Speaker 4: you're doing, to verify what you're doing. So, if you
Speaker 4: ever feel like you're engaging with a seller online and
Speaker 4: they're really pressuring you to pay quickly and specifically to
Speaker 4: pay in a certain way like through a digital payment,
Speaker 4: that there is no purchase protection, that is an enormous
Speaker 4: red flag. And I think if you just know this,
Speaker 4: if you just know what's going on, I think it's
Speaker 4: going to make it virtually impossible to get scanned these days.
Speaker 3: I think the way that at this point what people
Speaker 3: should do, particularly folks who are of a certain vintage,
Speaker 3: because I think that young people are pretty hip to this.
Speaker 3: I think they understand it. But people who are baby
Speaker 3: boomers like me, you get a phone call from anyone,
Speaker 3: just hang up on them. Don't even engage. You've hit
Speaker 3: an email if you're on the computer. I just want simple,
Speaker 3: is that you know if it's if it's some agency
Speaker 3: that's coming after you.
Speaker 2: Like the I R S.
Speaker 3: Believe me, they'll find you. Don't worry about it if
Speaker 3: they're looking for you. I mean this, this is insane
Speaker 3: and I just don't understand why our government can't basically
Speaker 3: go after these guys.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of them are offshore. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of them coming from Eastern Europe and Russia
Speaker 3: in places like that. But please, folks, just listen to
Speaker 3: what my guess for nouche uh To Robbie has just
Speaker 3: told you. How good folks get in touch with you
Speaker 3: if if they want to. I don't know, do you
Speaker 3: counsel with people? Do you have you written an article
Speaker 3: that you'd like to share with us or direct people too.
Speaker 3: Do you have a book?
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, I have books. I have a podcast
Speaker 4: called so Money. But before we go, I just want
Speaker 4: to I just want to drive home. Something else that's
Speaker 4: really important when it comes to how to pay online.
Speaker 4: If we have time, you got about a minute and
Speaker 4: that we got about Hey, so really quick, really quick.
Speaker 4: If you're going to make a purchase on a social
Speaker 4: media marketplace or online, make sure that you are using
Speaker 4: a payment method that has purchased protection, like a credit card.
Speaker 4: You know, these scammers will push you to use zell
Speaker 4: or a wire transfer, and the issue there is that
Speaker 4: again there's no purchase protection. Zell is best for transacting
Speaker 4: between friends and family and loved ones. So just be
Speaker 4: really careful because this is the part where people really
Speaker 4: get in trouble. You know. It's you're not in trouble,
Speaker 4: like you're just looking at the listing. It's when you
Speaker 4: go to pay and then you pay with the wrong
Speaker 4: method that's really going to backfire. But as far as resources,
Speaker 4: you know, I have a podcast it's called so Money.
Speaker 4: I have many books that I have out there, and
Speaker 4: also there's free online websites Chase just launched a new
Speaker 4: free online resource that's got actionable tips for all the
Speaker 4: things that we've just talked about spotting and avoiding scams
Speaker 4: on social media. You can go to Chase dot com
Speaker 4: slash don't get reeled in.
Speaker 3: Sounds great. I really do appreciate it for now. You're
Speaker 3: a good sport. I joke around a little bit on
Speaker 3: stuff like this, but I'm deadly serious and I hate
Speaker 3: these people. I really, I don't hate anybody, but I
Speaker 3: do hate these people because they are really lower than life,
Speaker 3: lowest form of human life, that are going to try
Speaker 3: to scam older people or scam anyone out of their
Speaker 3: hard earned money.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. I'll love to
Speaker 2: have you back.
Speaker 4: Okay, You're welcome anytime.
Speaker 2: Thanks Paris.
Speaker 3: When we get back, we'll talk about another problem that
Speaker 3: I think many of us are dealing with in the
Speaker 3: last few weeks, and that is the fear of flying. Frankly,
Speaker 3: the fear surrounding air travel. In light of everything that's
Speaker 3: gone on in the last few weeks. We saw up
Speaker 3: in New Hampshire today a small plane that crashed in
Speaker 3: the Packyardisan people, It's it's terrifying, and we'll talk with
Speaker 3: a licensed cycle licensed cycle therapist who also has to
Speaker 3: be a commercial.
Speaker 2: Pilot and also a.
Speaker 3: Very smart woman who I think is going to be
Speaker 3: able to maybe calm some of our anxiety. My name's
Speaker 3: Dan Ray. This is Nightside. You're listening to the what
Speaker 3: we call the Nightside News Update. Later on we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about did you know the shape of the
Speaker 3: Earth's intercourse is now changing? And we'll also talk about infertility,
Speaker 3: a very serious topic for a lot of young couples.
Speaker 3: Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Joining us now is doctor MIKAELA Johnson. She is a
Speaker 3: licensed psychotherapist, commercial pilot and also a relationship strategist known
Speaker 3: for blending psychology with aviation and of course there have
Speaker 3: been some pretty horrific incidents in the last two or
Speaker 3: three weeks dealing with aviation and airline crashes. So welcome
Speaker 3: doctor MICHAELA. Johnson to Nightside. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 3: about yourself. I read sort of the extras of the bio,
Speaker 3: but an interesting combination of activities from being a commercial pilot,
Speaker 3: relationship strategist as well as a licensed psychotherapist.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, some people might say that I just can't
Speaker 4: sit still. So it seems that I've always got something
Speaker 4: that I'm striving for, something that I'm aiming for. And
Speaker 4: I've you know, been in small airplanes since I was
Speaker 4: a young kid, and so it was kind of a
Speaker 4: natural segue, and helping people was something that I always
Speaker 4: wanted to do. So I don't know how I really
Speaker 4: fell into books except to say that you know, once
Speaker 4: you start doing something and then you find out how
Speaker 4: much you love it, you just keep getting more of
Speaker 4: it until you realize, wow, I've kind of I've done
Speaker 4: quite a bit here in terms of what I've achieved,
Speaker 4: but and you're always wanting it to be enough. But
Speaker 4: it seems like there's always just something beyond the horizon
Speaker 4: that you can strive to next. In these sorts of
Speaker 4: hobbies and life skills, well, I will.
Speaker 3: As a as a I used to fly a lot.
Speaker 3: I worked in television for thirty one years here in
Speaker 3: Boston with the CBS affiliate, and we used to travel
Speaker 3: quite a bit, and you get really used to it,
Speaker 3: and oftentimes we used in those days get bumped up
Speaker 3: to business or first class because we were a television crew. Now,
Speaker 3: traveling by air, at least commercially, is akin to what
Speaker 3: used to be traveled by bus.
Speaker 2: Thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: People would dress up and you'd have some room and
Speaker 3: they would actually I can remember flying to New York,
Speaker 3: flying to Washington short hops, you'd get a full breakfast
Speaker 3: at eight o'clock in the morning. Now you get a
Speaker 3: bag of peanuts if that. So, it's not as much fun.
Speaker 3: It's crowded. The airports are crowded. There are less people
Speaker 3: there to help you, so that that kind of puts
Speaker 3: me in sort of an apprehensive mood.
Speaker 2: And then when you do have you know, we went a.
Speaker 3: Long time without a commercial crash here in America. Got
Speaker 3: to go back, I think fifteen years to two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine that jet that crashed in Buffalo. But this
Speaker 3: is fresh in people's minds. You know, how do you,
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you get on a plane these
Speaker 3: days and say to yourself, well, yeah, I know it's
Speaker 3: the safest form of travel, but is.
Speaker 4: It really Well, you know, you brought up so many
Speaker 4: good points there, which is that the entire system has
Speaker 4: kind of lost some of the allure that it used
Speaker 4: to have in the vintage days, right that pan Am days,
Speaker 4: where you it was an experience to be going somewhere
Speaker 4: and it wasn't so much about the destination as it
Speaker 4: was about the journey. And I feel like life in
Speaker 4: general has kind of taken that twist, right. It's less
Speaker 4: about our experience and more about where we're going and
Speaker 4: how fast we're getting there. And I think that in
Speaker 4: this kind of instant gratification world, we've cut a lot
Speaker 4: of corners, we've made things, we've tightened things up in
Speaker 4: such a way where they've lost some of that joy.
Speaker 4: People used to really look forward to these sorts of
Speaker 4: trips and now it's like, oh, I got to fly,
Speaker 4: you know, halfway across the country in two days, them
Speaker 4: halfway back home kind of a drum exact. And I
Speaker 4: do think that's a big part of what's contributing to
Speaker 4: more ambivalence. It did really turn from being something exclusive
Speaker 4: to being more like taking no offense to Greyhound but
Speaker 4: the bus, you know, and people do often refer to
Speaker 4: it as the Tube for just that. But it doesn't
Speaker 4: stop there, right, every part of the process, from the
Speaker 4: post nine to eleven stuff, where now you've got a
Speaker 4: strip search to get through TSA. Not saying anything there
Speaker 4: in terms of whatever needs to happen to ensure everybody's safety,
Speaker 4: but just saying it definitely doesn't add to the experience
Speaker 4: and make it more positive. Nobody wants to take their
Speaker 4: shoes off, Nobody wants to have the stuff out of
Speaker 4: their bag. So I think there's already a mindset issue
Speaker 4: that we're up against. And as a psychotherapist, what I'm
Speaker 4: always looking at is what's underneath the emotions, right where
Speaker 4: are they coming from? And so when you look at
Speaker 4: kind of all of those other pieces combined, it's natural
Speaker 4: then when a major event happens to go see, that's
Speaker 4: why I don't want to travel anywhere right there. You know,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like this straw broke the camel's back.
Speaker 4: Now that being said, you brought up a very good point,
Speaker 4: which is that it's still an incredibly safe way to travel.
Speaker 4: It's efficient, It gets us, you know, very far at
Speaker 4: four hundred five hundred miles an hour, so much faster
Speaker 4: than we could ever travel in a car, across the
Speaker 4: train that we could never access in a car, So
Speaker 4: there is a lot of benefit to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about that. But I just know
Speaker 3: I don't think we will ever get back to where
Speaker 3: we were. The seats are getting all of that, it's
Speaker 3: less comfortable. I'm you know, I'm not six five and
Speaker 3: way two fifty. I'm a very normal sized guy, and
Speaker 3: I'm in a seat there, and it's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: this is not comfortable.
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're not.
Speaker 4: Wrong, sadly. And gas isn't getting cheaper, and I think
Speaker 4: that's all probably playing into it, and insurance isn't getting cheaper,
Speaker 4: so I think that they're trying to cram in an
Speaker 4: extra couple of seats on all these roads to you know,
Speaker 4: to get that extra pinch. But what it ends up
Speaker 4: doing is making a lot of discomfort for the passengers.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: It's eventually, as it is in every industry. On Doctor Johnson,
Speaker 3: it's the being counters who are our enemy.
Speaker 2: It is the being.
Speaker 3: Counters, and they they are the ones that have taken
Speaker 3: the joy and the fun out of every.
Speaker 4: Cold You're not wrong, You're not wrong, And I missed
Speaker 4: the glamour right, Like, let's let's have the bean counters
Speaker 4: sit aside and see what happens when we invite a
Speaker 4: much more pleasant and welcoming experience to the to the
Speaker 4: entire event. And I do think that there are some
Speaker 4: companies out there that you know, all kind of doing
Speaker 4: at least some of these smaller airlines that are trying
Speaker 4: to offer more of that kind of down home feel.
Speaker 4: I think there is a market for it, but it
Speaker 4: just quite hasn't hit in terms of what we see
Speaker 4: with the big airliners in terms of moving people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like some old guy here,
Speaker 3: but I remember, you know, traveling for television as a
Speaker 3: television reporter with my crew to stories in Europe in
Speaker 3: the in the eighties and nineties, and oftentimes we'd get
Speaker 3: bumped up to first class and.
Speaker 4: When we're going ony days, right.
Speaker 3: And here's the best part about it, oftentimes the pilot
Speaker 3: would invite me to come up and sit in the
Speaker 3: jump seat as we're going across the Atlantic at you know,
Speaker 3: two thirty four o'clock and two thirty four o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And that will never happen now. That will live open now.
Speaker 3: So it's so said, folks, doctor j justsin. How can
Speaker 3: folks get in touch with you? It looks to me
Speaker 3: like you've got a great website, and you are a
Speaker 3: font of good information give us the way Folks can
Speaker 3: kind of can keep up with you, follow you and
Speaker 3: get some good guidance from you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so skytalk doc on Instagram. I'm currently learning how
Speaker 4: to fly the T six text and Warbird and also
Speaker 4: bu find happy dot com b E. You find happy
Speaker 4: dot com for all the psychology things as well.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great, and it's MC doctor MICHAELA.
Speaker 3: Johnson. I'm sure they can find you through the internet
Speaker 3: as well, And thanks very much. I don't need to
Speaker 3: be in any way, shape or form a cynic, but
Speaker 3: I've watched this industry.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Part of it is, you know, every time I go
Speaker 3: through TSA, I say that to myself, thank you very much,
Speaker 3: you know, terrorist for what you have done to us.
Speaker 3: You know, they killed innocent Americans and other innocent non
Speaker 3: Americans on nine to eleven. But they have left a
Speaker 3: legacy that has changed airline travel forever, and.
Speaker 4: You know, and it's created a lot of fear for
Speaker 4: people to use what is a pretty incredible if we
Speaker 4: go to write brothers, you know, original idea, a pretty
Speaker 4: incredible way to travel. And I'm fortunate enough to get
Speaker 4: to fly in small aircraft and have that experience which
Speaker 4: really feels kind of like you're one with the you know,
Speaker 4: one with God, one with nature, one with the universe.
Speaker 4: And I think that for people that are trepidacious to fly,
Speaker 4: the one thing that I offer as advice is that
Speaker 4: actually speaking scientifically speaking, is still an incredibly safe way
Speaker 4: to fly or to travel. Rather and your pilots want
Speaker 4: to make it home as well. They're highly trained, they
Speaker 4: know what they're doing. And there are things, as in
Speaker 4: everyday life, that are completely unavoidable, true accidents that happen,
Speaker 4: But for the most part, there is a tremendous amount
Speaker 4: of safety built into this form of moving across the planet,
Speaker 4: and it still does offer a lot of benefit in
Speaker 4: being able to see places that are exotic and far away.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, doctor Johnson, appreciate your time. Love to have you back.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us soon.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Very welcome.
Speaker 3: We get back to talk about a scientist. Did you
Speaker 3: know the shape of the Earth's intercour is changing?
Speaker 2: How can that be?
Speaker 3: We will talk about that very issue right after the
Speaker 3: news break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
Speaker 3: To listen to w BUS ten thirty and your am
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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's
Speaker 1: News Radio.
Speaker 3: Just dropped a telephone on the floor. Oh man, what
Speaker 3: a nightmare here when you have too much wires.
Speaker 2: Underneath your desk. Uh.
Speaker 3: We have a very interesting guest. He's a professor at
Speaker 3: USC University of Southern California, doctor John Vidali, author of
Speaker 3: new study about I guess the shape of the Earth's
Speaker 3: inner core.
Speaker 2: Doctor vid Allie, this is something I know nothing about.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear. What's the what's going on?
Speaker 5: How are you very good? Good evening.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of a strange story. I mean, we've
Speaker 6: been actually looking at this.
Speaker 5: For a few decades.
Speaker 6: You know, the Earth has many layers and has basically
Speaker 6: an iron center and a solid iron core in the
Speaker 6: inner core in the middle of a liquid iron outer core.
Speaker 6: And we've known nothing holds the innercore in place, and
Speaker 6: we've realized over the years it kind of turns a
Speaker 6: little bit this way and that way.
Speaker 5: Over time.
Speaker 6: It turns out it's stirred up by the outer core,
Speaker 6: which is kind of burbling along, generating the magnetic field.
Speaker 6: And what we've realized just this last years. We think,
Speaker 6: in addition to wobbling back and forth, it seems to
Speaker 6: kind of be compressed and raised a little kind of
Speaker 6: hills and valleys over the course of the few years
Speaker 6: we've been looking at it. So nothing very consequential for
Speaker 6: us up on the surface, but it does seem like,
Speaker 6: you know, the intercore is soft and we can just
Speaker 6: see the depressions and hills forming.
Speaker 5: Kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that technical term. They're kind of weird.
Speaker 3: I'm actually able to understand that, but no, thank you
Speaker 3: for making it making it understandable. Now, the Earth has
Speaker 3: been around for about five billion years, right, correct? I
Speaker 3: think that's generally accept that. There's not a lot of
Speaker 3: precision in that estimate, but generally it's accepted that's right.
Speaker 3: And to the best of my knowledge, it has continued
Speaker 3: to spend in that in that revolution and rotation around
Speaker 3: the sun approximately ninety million, ninety three million miles away
Speaker 3: all of that. So probably what's going on has been
Speaker 3: going on for a while. I assume that's sort of
Speaker 3: an ever changing center. Would that be a logical conclusion?
Speaker 6: Not try you know, we argue that, you know, maybe
Speaker 6: the innercore started to solidify halfway through the life of
Speaker 6: the Earth, you know, a couple of billion years ago.
Speaker 6: We're not really sure, but it's been you know, as
Speaker 6: the earth cool, the intercore is kind of freezing, and
Speaker 6: eventually it'll freeze the whole core solid. That'll cost us
Speaker 6: our magnetic field. So yeah, it's been down there growing
Speaker 6: a millimeter a year for a couple of billion years.
Speaker 3: So what happens if we lose If we lose our
Speaker 3: magnetic field, that sounds like that's not a good thing.
Speaker 6: Well, we kind of argue a little bit because you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes field reverses and nothing too bad has happened, at
Speaker 6: least when it doesn't completely go to.
Speaker 5: Zero and turned back on again.
Speaker 6: But everyone didn't die the last time to interfere in
Speaker 6: the core last time. The manner of field flips, but
Speaker 6: you know it could let more radiation in and damage life.
Speaker 5: We really don't want to test it and see what happens.
Speaker 3: I would I would think, So, now, does this have
Speaker 3: anything to do being the inner court with climate change?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't think so, not a scientist, but they
Speaker 3: didn't think so, because I know the Earth has gone
Speaker 3: through lots of changes over five billion years, and where
Speaker 3: I'm sitting right now used we used to be under
Speaker 3: what half a mile of frozen ice a long time
Speaker 3: ago here in New England, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: it ever got to southern California that bad.
Speaker 2: But what's the best estimate? These days?
Speaker 3: I don't often get a chance to I got. I
Speaker 3: primarily talked to politicians and I never get.
Speaker 2: Straight answers from them, So it's.
Speaker 3: No sorry about that, but it's great to talk to
Speaker 3: a real scientist. What what is your sense? Not on
Speaker 3: climate change, I don't want to get you in all
Speaker 3: of that, but but what is your sense as to
Speaker 3: how long this orb that we call Earth Mother Earth
Speaker 3: is going to continue in existence?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's its life expectancy? Is my question?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, I think the when the
Speaker 6: core freezes over, you know, it will be challenging with
Speaker 6: the extra solar rays and radiation. But one thing that's
Speaker 6: going to take us out is the Sun turns into
Speaker 6: a red giant, you know, and about eight billion years
Speaker 6: as one estimate, so basically the Sun expands to the
Speaker 6: Earth soorb it. That's not gonna be good.
Speaker 3: No, most of us won't be around for that, right,
Speaker 3: I would hope, I would hope. What I'm just also,
Speaker 3: I really get I don't know. Are you familiar with
Speaker 3: it with doctor Brian Green out of Columbia?
Speaker 5: No? What does he says?
Speaker 2: He's a physicist. He wrote Parallel Views was his big book.
Speaker 3: He's written several books, Parallel Views, the idea of infinity,
Speaker 3: the concept of infinity.
Speaker 2: I had him as a guest many years ago.
Speaker 3: Fascinating guy that that if that, if infinity truly does
Speaker 3: exist as he believes it does, there's another place in
Speaker 3: a galaxy far far away, where as a talk show
Speaker 3: host talking to a professor who looks exactly like you
Speaker 3: and a talk show host, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: kind of a mind bending sort of concept. But I
Speaker 3: have talked to him about some of these subjects. Here's
Speaker 3: my question for a scientist like you. If our Earth
Speaker 3: was ten million miles closer to the Sun, we would
Speaker 3: burn up. If it was ten million miles further away
Speaker 3: from the Sun, we would.
Speaker 2: Freeze, correct.
Speaker 5: More or less, more or less?
Speaker 2: What has kept us in this perfect circular circular you
Speaker 2: know circulation, this this this perfect track. If you will
Speaker 2: all these years.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, once we formed our planet in the orbit,
Speaker 6: it's not much to change it. You know, the Sun
Speaker 6: pushes us out a little tiny bit with you know,
Speaker 6: solar radiation, so increases just a bid. But once we're
Speaker 6: placed here, I think we're here to stay till the
Speaker 6: Sun kind of beat us up as a red giant.
Speaker 6: So how did we get I don't know how we
Speaker 6: got here?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So that's that's the ultimate question.
Speaker 3: Is there's somebody out there working on we're going on
Speaker 3: this for us or is it something that just it
Speaker 3: all came naturally.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's the ultimate question of life.
Speaker 5: Boy, if I need the answer to that, jeez, i'd
Speaker 5: read a book.
Speaker 6: Uh, I don't know. I'm kind I just believe in accidents.
Speaker 6: I started to think everything just kind of fell into place,
Speaker 6: and we're darn lucky to be here, even with the
Speaker 6: current political clianet.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and let's let's hope it last at least to uh,
Speaker 3: at least a few more generations. And when you say
Speaker 3: eight billion years, maybe maybe at the end of you
Speaker 3: and you and I will be faint memories when it
Speaker 3: when it all ends, well, well we won't hear we
Speaker 3: won't be here for the grand finale. I love the
Speaker 3: conversation with you, doctor, I really did you seem like
Speaker 3: a lot of times, as I'm sure you know, academics
Speaker 3: can be a little less humorous than than you have been.
Speaker 2: And you've been a great sport and.
Speaker 3: I I really appreciate you taking the time you're still
Speaker 3: teaching the US.
Speaker 2: You're still teaching.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, tomorrow morning, I'm gonna tell them about more
Speaker 6: natural disasters than the gen.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Well, you know again, I wish I had professors like you.
Speaker 3: I would have I might have done better in science,
Speaker 3: things like science and some of that, but I ended
Speaker 3: up being a literature and a history guy, and that's
Speaker 3: what That's how I ended up being a TV reporter
Speaker 3: and a talk show most. But oh, it can be
Speaker 3: great fun because I get to lead this, I get
Speaker 3: to meet and interview this popery of people and you
Speaker 3: you're a memorable person for me to first saw. The
Speaker 3: usc UH relationship is extraordinary. That's one of the great
Speaker 3: great universities on the West Coast and UH. And you've
Speaker 3: been a great guest. And I hope we can get
Speaker 3: you back at some point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, i'd be happy to chat. This is fun.
Speaker 2: Do you have Do you have a website? Do you
Speaker 2: have a book.
Speaker 3: Lot of times when folks come on for us, they
Speaker 3: always have something that they'd like to share with my audience.
Speaker 3: Is there something that you'd like to direct my audience to?
Speaker 5: God, all I do is research.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna sit on the computer and crunch numbers,
Speaker 6: try to write papers, try to fire I hope my
Speaker 6: previous papers are right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm sure they are. Doctor John Vidali of the
Speaker 3: University of Southern California, and he's checking on the Earth's
Speaker 3: inner core changing. And I'm going to sleep better tonight
Speaker 3: knowing you're keeping an eye on this for us. Thanks
Speaker 3: so much, doctor, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Good night.
Speaker 3: We get back on and talk to problem a little
Speaker 3: bit more closer to home and maybe a little more relevant,
Speaker 3: but just as interesting in that is the problem of infertility.
Speaker 3: Going to talk with a registered nurse what you need
Speaker 3: to know about infertility back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios. I'm dumbing BSY News Radio.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about infertility, which is a very
Speaker 3: serious and a tough subject to talk about.
Speaker 2: Joining us as Sarah Thorp. She's a registered nurse director
Speaker 2: of a clinical clients success at Her company is called
Speaker 2: win WI n Sarah Torp, Welcome to Nightside. Tell us
Speaker 2: a little bit about yourself and a little bit about
Speaker 2: the company win.
Speaker 7: Yes, hi everyone, My name is Sarah. As you said,
Speaker 7: registered nurse have been in the fertility family building benefit
Speaker 7: space for twelve years now going on twelve years and
Speaker 7: when we are a benefit benefit administrator for fertility and
Speaker 7: family building benefits and so we really help our members
Speaker 7: make informed decisions, maximize their benefits and really ensure that
Speaker 7: they have access to the best care and resources as
Speaker 7: they're going through their journey of fertility and kind of
Speaker 7: any other journeys that may be covered with us, such
Speaker 7: as adoption and surrogacy.
Speaker 3: Does your company interface with with corporations with businesses or
Speaker 3: do you interface with the families that are going through.
Speaker 7: The process, so both Mostly we integrate with health plans.
Speaker 7: We also employer groups, so clients employers will bring us
Speaker 7: on as a benefit to like the medical plan, so
Speaker 7: you have your medical benefits, you have your vision, your
Speaker 7: dental and then employers will choose to bring on like
Speaker 7: mental mental health benefits along with fertility benefits would be
Speaker 7: a solution. On the side, we also have a direct
Speaker 7: to consumer solution where member, if you don't have a benefit,
Speaker 7: and you're a consumer out there going through fertility journey,
Speaker 7: a fertility journey and you're paying for it out of pocket,
Speaker 7: et cetera, we do have a program to support people.
Speaker 4: On that path.
Speaker 2: What does that program consist of.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it consists of, number one, you have a
Speaker 7: nurse advocate to be your point person answer questions really,
Speaker 7: you know, help you to know your options to your
Speaker 7: advocate to help you get the care you deserve. We
Speaker 7: also have a network of providers who are vetted out
Speaker 7: and those providers in the direct to consumer program offer
Speaker 7: discounts on services, so you would then be accessing kind
Speaker 7: of care with discounts on the treatment and then on
Speaker 7: medications as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, obviously infertility can affect any one of us,
Speaker 3: and clearly in a relationship, if one person's person is infertile,
Speaker 3: that's that's going to be a problem within that relationship.
Speaker 3: What percentage of people you know in child bearing age,
Speaker 3: however you wanted to describe that find themselves to have
Speaker 3: problems with fertility?
Speaker 2: Can you can you quantify it for us a little bit?
Speaker 7: You know, they the World Health Organization came out with
Speaker 7: new stat I believe a year ago or a little
Speaker 7: over a year ago, where one in eight people are infertile,
Speaker 7: and so that's more than cancer, more than diabetes. And
Speaker 7: within that subset of one in a right, then you
Speaker 7: have you know, the female versus the male so and
Speaker 7: those are pretty equal in terms of a diagnosis of infertility.
Speaker 7: If you're looking at a partnership where you'll have thirty
Speaker 7: to forty percent have a female factor infertility and about
Speaker 7: thirty to forty percent would have male factor infertility and
Speaker 7: about twenty percent is unexplained infertility.
Speaker 2: Okay, is that w h O figure? Is that a
Speaker 2: worldwide that is a worldwide Yes? Okay?
Speaker 3: Does that then do we as Americans and again that's
Speaker 3: our audience here obviously tonight, is that do we suffer?
Speaker 3: Do we deal with that basically at the same levels
Speaker 3: or less or more?
Speaker 7: I think it's more. It's more, it's one in six,
Speaker 7: I believe us.
Speaker 3: Why would Why would? Why would our country? We we
Speaker 3: tend to think of our people as being healthier than
Speaker 3: the average countries around the world. Why would infertility hit
Speaker 3: our society harder than it might hit other societies.
Speaker 7: I think that's a very subjective question.
Speaker 2: No, I just didn't know if it was something about
Speaker 2: our diet. I mean, you know there there are certain Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you.
Speaker 7: Don't passionate about more holistic things in life, and I
Speaker 7: do feel you know, there are many things kind of
Speaker 7: in our environments and our lifestyles here in America that
Speaker 7: may that may lean us more towards kind of being healthier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's exactly you know.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm we don't script these interviews, Sarah, I ask
Speaker 3: you a question that you don't have the statistics that
Speaker 3: your fingertips, feel.
Speaker 2: Free to tell me. How how can folks.
Speaker 3: Get in touch with you or with your company, either
Speaker 3: if they have employees and would like to provide support
Speaker 3: to their employees, or if there are a couple out
Speaker 3: there dealing with infertility issues and are looking for, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, some more information and maybe even some more support.
Speaker 3: What's what's the best way people can get in touch
Speaker 3: with you or with your company? And are you folks
Speaker 3: from your area code? Where are you located physically?
Speaker 7: Corporate is in Connecticut, but we have people all over
Speaker 7: the nation support.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so there's not a situation where people have
Speaker 3: to fly to augen Utah to meet you.
Speaker 4: Okay, No, not at all.
Speaker 7: And so winfertility dot Com is our website and that's
Speaker 7: where you know, if you don't have the benefit and
Speaker 7: you're looking for support, you can go there and go
Speaker 7: under the my of the four members section. And then
Speaker 7: if you're also I would I would say, you know,
Speaker 7: if you're if you're on this journey and you're not
Speaker 7: sure if your employer offers these benefits, dig into potentially
Speaker 7: what your employer offers and or your partner's employer and
Speaker 7: understand kind of what's around there, and you may want to,
Speaker 7: you know, go to your employer and ask them, you know,
Speaker 7: are they thinking about bringing on these benefits questions like that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely so again, give us it's the website one
Speaker 3: more time so that people have a chance to.
Speaker 7: Write it down Win fertility dot com and that's w
Speaker 7: I n all Yes.
Speaker 3: Perfect, Okay, Sarah, thanks very much, appreciate your time tonight.
Speaker 3: Wasn't trying to throw questions at job, ask what I
Speaker 3: do for a living? Is I think of questions that
Speaker 3: I try to put myself in the mind of my
Speaker 3: audience when I ask the questions, and I don't script
Speaker 3: questions in advance.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this too long to do it that way.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have you back at some point in the
Speaker 3: not too distant future, and maybe we'll have you on
Speaker 3: some night if you'd like and take questions from my audience.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, we'll get back in touch. Thanks Sarahcid
Speaker 3: very much. Sarah Torp of Wind Fertility. When we get back,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about that Supreme Court decision today
Speaker 3: and the Karen Read case here in Massachusetts. I think
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court missed an opportunity to provide better practice
Speaker 3: for judges here in Massachusetts. I will be in the
Speaker 3: distinct minority on that, but I never mind being in
Speaker 3: either the majority of the minority as long as I'm
Speaker 3: two to my own beliefs and thoughts. We'll be back
Speaker 3: on Night's side right after the nine o'clock news. My
Speaker 3: name's Dan Ray. Thanks very much for joining us. Stay
Speaker 3: with us throughout the night.