WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:13.800 What's going on? Walter Pronan, We're back fire escape cast? 2 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.160 I think I like that worse what's happened? I like 3 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:16.600 it less. 4 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:20.079 Billy Krappnan, what's Gucci? Stanley Tucci? 5 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:23.280 Billy Crappnon's growing on me. 6 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.519 I sink I'm starting to like this guy. That's Dan Reikert. 7 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.719 OHI that's me Yellow and that's Mary Kish Back back 8 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:35.359 back from Japan, your gallivanted around? Did you knock over 9 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:36.439 any restaurant walls? Again? 10 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:41.079 I have a new embarrassing story. All right, Yeah, I 11 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.719 was in Japan for work. So I did Tokyo Game Show, 12 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.719 which was awesome in Tokyo, and then I went to Kyoto. 13 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.960 Uh and uh. 14 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:55.439 Where else did I go to? 15 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:57.119 Be a museum? Nintendo museum? 16 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:58.799 I did go to the Nintendo Museum. 17 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.000 I have a cool That one was embarrassing, But I 18 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.079 will just say if anyone has ever heard of this 19 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:09.280 in Kyoto, the original like Nintendo Home and it's a hotel. 20 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.480 It was so sick and I'm so fortunate that I 21 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.480 got a tour of this place and I saw the 22 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.879 actual physical playing cards that the i Machi family made 23 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.280 to essentially that became Nintendo. 24 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:24.000 And in the tour, I got. 25 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:28.159 To see the elevator that they used to bring these 26 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.959 cards up and down because back then obviously all paper 27 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:36.239 cards very heavy. And it's just like a really fascinating 28 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:39.840 history that ended up becoming what Nintendo is. And that 29 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.120 was one of the highlights of the trip, was to 30 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:46.159 be able to meet the people working in that space 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.400 and what is to become of it now, which is 32 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.280 like more of a incubator for upcoming projects and programs 33 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.400 of smart people. But they still really cling to their 34 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.239 roots of this card of cards, right, because that's. 35 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.959 What the museum is, Like did you make your own 36 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.319 cards and do all that stuff and like painting the 37 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:05.640 cards And it was. 38 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.560 Mostly for me, Like this hotel was essentially just going 39 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.400 through the rooms and seeing like the grassroots of these 40 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.439 original halls and spaces, and I think we got to 41 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.520 see some places that like you really should not see 42 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.800 without a tour guide. I was very fortunate that they 43 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:20.680 like allowed us to see it, and including just all 44 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:25.560 the detail that went into the walls and the carpets, 45 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.240 Like they just put a lot of energy and this 46 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:29.560 was you know, back in like the late eighteen hundreds, 47 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.879 early nineteen hundreds, So this is a very old Japanese building. 48 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.800 It looks stunning, so that was really cool. I felt 49 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.120 like throughout this entire time, I would just like to 50 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.960 say that I hadn't done anything super embarrassing. And every 51 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.719 time I go to Japan, I do something stupid because 52 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.719 I can't help it, and I'm American, and I embarrassed myself. 53 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.000 But I had somehow perfectly stumbled my way through without 54 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.439 embarrassing myself. And on the last day in Kyoto, we 55 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.199 did this thing where you get to kind of dress 56 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:07.319 up in a kimono. They like help you know, dress 57 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.479 you up and guide you and prepare you and everything 58 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:09.840 like that. 59 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:11.879 And so we had can I guess you had a 60 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.319 bad diarrhea situation and you had to go out in 61 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.759 the woods. But he excellently crapped on a shrine and 62 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.680 he didn't have no paper, so you had to use 63 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.719 like this ornamental robe to wipe your ass and they 64 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.319 got upset with you bad. 65 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:27.280 Is that what happened exactly? 66 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.680 Yeah, that's what she told me, she texted me yesterday. 67 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:30.639 Is exactly what happened. 68 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.240 I did not ship my kimonos. 69 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:34.759 Call their white guys. No, you shit on the shrine 70 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:35.960 and wiped with the kimono. 71 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.919 That's just such a bad story. No, mine was what 72 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.800 are you doing? You made it sound now my story 73 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.319 isn't so bad. I was actually like, I was really 74 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.879 embarrassed when I walked in. They have all these signs 75 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:53.240 saying do not wear your shoes in this space, and 76 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.400 I know that you're not supposed to wear your dirty 77 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:01.599 shoes inside their beautiful, like all the floors so delicate, right, 78 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.800 like everything is very old, it's very proper, and you're 79 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:09.240 really not supposed to wear your outdoor stuff in there. 80 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:12.919 But there were all these I don't know what these 81 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.839 are really authentically called, but they are those wooden sandals 82 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:19.600 that you often wear with the Kimona rocks. 83 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.480 That's what they are. In the Netherlands. 84 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.240 A lot of people don't know that the Cross family 85 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:35.279 originated in Kyoto. Wooden sandals right by the entryway. 86 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.439 Did they have the little the beer bottle opener on 87 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.560 the bottom that you can use when you're. 88 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.560 On the beach, like the real classic ones? 89 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:49.240 Really quick because I'm gonna forget. Yeah, a genius was 90 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.920 the person who decided I'm gonna put a beer bottle 91 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:53.240 over on the bottom. These flip flops. 92 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.000 Is there a better feeling in the world than somebody 93 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:56.959 needs a bottle open? You're like, how about this. 94 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:03.199 And shoes opening my beer? 95 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:03.759 Anyway? 96 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:08.560 I don't knock it, yeah, till I come up. Till 97 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.079 I come up. 98 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:10.360 Belt buckle would be cooler. 99 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.639 Oh my god, he's just trying to high kick. 100 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:20.399 Now's not flexible anyway. I look at these shoes and 101 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.160 I say, Okay, I understand. I take off my sneakers 102 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.120 and socks and I put on these wooden shoes to 103 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.360 walk inside this place. That's what it's guiding me to do. 104 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.800 So I do that. I take off my shoes, I 105 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.879 put on these wooden shoes and I walk into the 106 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:37.560 house and there I say, where's your bathroom? 107 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.560 And they say it's upstairs. 108 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:43.519 And I I walk up these long, very difficult staircase 109 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:45.399 with these shoes, and I'm like, this is such a hazard. 110 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.160 I cannot believe they would ask me to do this. 111 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.439 And I get upstairs and a woman looks at me 112 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:53.319 and goes, no shoes. And she obviously doesn't speak like 113 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.319 very much English, but she knows to yell at me 114 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:56.319 and that I fucked up. 115 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:57.600 And I I look at her. 116 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.600 I go but I put on the and as I 117 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:05.439 say it, I realize that I am wearing someone else's 118 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:10.480 shoes in this house. I had taken off my shoes, 119 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.120 and I had seen all these other authentic shoes and thought, 120 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.079 those must be the indoor shoes. That's just another fucking 121 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:17.959 person's shoes. 122 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:22.279 You're supposed to wear, wear their proper shoes, to wear 123 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:23.199 their or were you supposed to. 124 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.720 Save You just wear bare feet in this. 125 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.000 House, so you weren't supposed to be wearing any shoes, 126 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:29.360 much less someone else's. 127 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.360 Shoes, a stranger shoes in the upstairs of this house. 128 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.639 And I had bonking up the stairs when you're fucking 129 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.000 wickerman feet. 130 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.079 And I had to clom all the way down, and 131 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.319 all the women who worked there were all crowding around 132 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.920 the staircase as I was making so much noise in 133 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.199 these wooden shoes. 134 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.600 That was the sound of a fucking moron coming down 135 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:56.240 the stairs. 136 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.439 And there was a light up shoes from ninety three 137 00:06:58.480 --> 00:06:59.439 where the lights happened? 138 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:00.839 Are you disrespectful? 139 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.279 I were very. 140 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:06.360 Loud wooden clog shoes, and I like clunked my way 141 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.399 outside and took them off. But like from then on, 142 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:11.720 like the ladies never really looked at me the same, 143 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.240 and I knew that we had all agreed that I 144 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.560 had embarrassed myself, but like the audacity of myself looking 145 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.399 at her and being like, no, ma'am, I believe I 146 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:24.639 put on the shoes that you asked me, Yeah you have, no, 147 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.399 I did. As soon as it like came out of 148 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.639 my mouth, I went, no, these aren't these aren't these 149 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:30.480 aren't shoes for me? 150 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:30.920 Are they? 151 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:32.680 Wait? 152 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.920 Sorry, what was stopping from taking them off upstairs and 153 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:36.480 then carrying them down? 154 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:37.199 Embarrassment? 155 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.879 I turned right around and I just clink clunked all 156 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.160 the way down those stairs and out that fucking house. 157 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.079 That's that's that's funnier than the wall. I don't know. 158 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.120 Yeah, and then I got a tea somewhere, not because 159 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.079 I needed it, but because I needed to pee so bad, 160 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:53.920 and I would not go back and ask them to 161 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.759 use the bathroom again. Like you know, the story was 162 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.519 over for me at that point, so I just yeah, 163 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:01.959 I just found somewhere else. 164 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.680 Well, we're glad you survived the embarrassment and made it back. 165 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.120 Thank you. I'm glad to be back. I was severely 166 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.720 jet lagged. I do you think i'm i'm, I feel 167 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.519 functional grateful to be able to go to Tokyo Game 168 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.040 Show and see the spectacle that is Tokyo Game Show. 169 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:21.120 As we all know, PAS has like these very strict 170 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:22.839 rules about like what can be a booth babe, But 171 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:27.040 in Tokyo Game Show they let them hang and I. 172 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:28.680 Two thousand and five all the. 173 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.480 Time there you see everything. I mean, it's crazy. They 174 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:38.559 just let those booth babes go all in and you 175 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.799 know AI is here and it is real. And like 176 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:47.159 these they have like giant screens of anime girls with 177 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.879 the biggest gigondo boobies you have ever seen. 178 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:52.840 AAI anime ladies boo. 179 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.080 I mean I think they're constructed. Yeah, they don't seem 180 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.039 super uh artistically inclined, but they get the job done. 181 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:03.480 Not like. 182 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.399 I have a problem with these AI titties. I want 183 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.840 I want them a little bit more real. Anyway, just 184 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.240 like all over the place, it's it's uh, it's hard 185 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:17.720 to avoid. 186 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:18.879 It's really fun. 187 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.600 Dan hounk Dong at a Tokyo Game Show once. 188 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.360 Yeah, I don't know how to yes and that. 189 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.480 Well, it's not my problem. 190 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.759 Did you hanged on not at Tokyo Game Show? 191 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:35.440 Now sorry. 192 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.759 I've been to Japan many times and change my clothes 193 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.960 while taking a shower into in Japan. 194 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.279 It was in public, it was in Boston. I think 195 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.360 as a pecks East, I don't. 196 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.440 My penis has never been exposed at a at a 197 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:49.200 games event. 198 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.720 You know, No, what were you going to say about? 199 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.919 What else did you Japan? Mary? 200 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:00.679 That's about it. I mean I did like the usual stuff. 201 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.240 I ate a shit ton of ramen and ate a lot, 202 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.519 and I enjoyed Tokyo Game Show. I went there on 203 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.840 bealf of Twitch, so we had like a little booth 204 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.120 and we did a meet up and that was it. 205 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.080 It was great. I loved it. I was grateful to 206 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:19.639 go and see all those sexy booth babes. And I 207 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:24.080 am sorry to the people in Kyoto that I embarrassed 208 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.039 with my stupid, stupid shoes. 209 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:28.360 He desecrated it. 210 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:29.240 I can't. 211 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:30.799 I mean, I was all up in that house because 212 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.759 the bathroom was upstairs, so I went all the way 213 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.360 through the middle, all the way up the stairs and 214 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.000 all the way up like the main floor before I 215 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:38.399 was caught. 216 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:40.440 What was your favorite part of the trip. 217 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.960 I think I ran into Peter Brown. He just happened 218 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:48.600 to be able to go for tote. We didn't think 219 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.360 he was going to be able to go. I play 220 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.039 a lot of peak with Peter Brown used to be 221 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.679 a game spot networks at Sony, and I just happened 222 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:02.320 to be able to run into him in Osaka, and 223 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.840 uh we did my favorite thing, which is we met 224 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.000 at a random alley and then walked until we found 225 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.200 a place that we thought looked cool and the name 226 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.759 of it was called Guts. So if you're ever in Kyoto, 227 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:21.200 check out Guts Kyoto. Sorry, osakach go. 228 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:22.879 To Guts anyway. Stuff there is great. 229 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.720 Japan in general is just incredible for just like you know, 230 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.200 there's just so many, like all these buildings in any 231 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.200 big city, you're just like eight to ten floors of 232 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.559 just like every floor is a different thing. So it's 233 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.480 like oh, DBD shop, restaurant, club, all this, and like 234 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.320 you can just like window shop in a way where 235 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:41.679 it's like you know, Tim Terry and I when we 236 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.679 would go with Game Informer, we're just like that's probably good, 237 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.360 right because you're not like yelping the shit in Japan, 238 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.360 you know, and you go in and more often than not, 239 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.360 it's just like Oh, this is what an incredible like 240 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.240 true hidden gym, Like it's great for that. 241 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:57.639 Yeah, you find My recommendation for anyone who's like I 242 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.159 don't know how to Japan, you obviously can just look 243 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.919 up touristy things and do it. My genuine thought is like, 244 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.559 go get lost, Go walk down the alleys, go walk 245 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.399 down the streets. Most of the restaurants are excellent. The 246 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.679 meat quality is so high there. They have very high 247 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.200 standards for food quality. So like just stumble into a 248 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.360 random place and love it and love getting lost and 249 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.879 love like not knowing what to do. We ordered too 250 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.679 much because we didn't know right then. We just like 251 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.120 had a lot of food and we just stuffed ourselves silly. 252 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:29.440 It was the best night ever. 253 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.480 And it's just really nice catching up with an old 254 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.679 friend like Peter and I get along like peas and 255 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:38.279 carrots and so it was like absolutely fantastic to see. 256 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.639 Him in Japan. And that's probably one of my favorites. 257 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.279 The other thing I'll say is I found a tour 258 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.679 guide who's lived there for like thirty years. He speaks 259 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.799 fluent Japanese and English, and he took us to some 260 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.120 onsense which are like essentially public hot springs that you 261 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:55.200 could not go to unless you speak Japanese like they 262 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.440 would because it's all locals, like you would. 263 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:58.799 Didn't go into some of those if you have like 264 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.240 tattoos either show yeah, oh wow. 265 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.679 Yeah, they're particular. And so he kind of guided us 266 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.200 in the spaces. He like made sure the locals understood 267 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.080 that he was also a local. He's been living there 268 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.279 for thirty years, and so they kind of left us alone, 269 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.840 and then we were able to enjoy these really unique 270 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.840 and interesting hot springs as a result of him. Oh, 271 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.639 one of the people in my group shit their pants, 272 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:25.480 kind of like what we were saying. So we were 273 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:27.279 in a car in a van for a lot of these, 274 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.799 and then every meal we basically like stumbled, right, and 275 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.480 sometimes you stumble and you'd eat stuff that you wouldn't 276 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.440 usually eat, like really rare meat, and I think it 277 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:38.879 just didn't settle with his tummy. He didn't get food poisoning, 278 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.519 but his stomach was like I don't like this raw beef, 279 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:42.559 Like I don't like it. 280 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.480 And then we got. 281 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:49.480 To the first hotel. These are old on sense in 282 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.720 old towns. These are not like super nice refined hotels. 283 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.720 These are like owned by a grandma. She's not fucking 284 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:58.240 having it. And you get the room, you get whatever 285 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.240 you get. And he had to go to the bathroom 286 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.600 so bad. He just asked to go as he first 287 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:05.240 got there, and she was like, oh, there's like a 288 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.559 bathroom outside. Our translator had to help guide this conversation, 289 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.919 and he ran around the corner and then he came 290 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.000 back like really distraught and upset, and it sounds he 291 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:23.240 basically galed us that like she had guided him to 292 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.759 the public toilet, which is a hole in the floor, 293 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.240 and he like, panic, shit in this hole, And then 294 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:34.480 he basically assumed that was like the toilets in this hotel. 295 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.200 It was just like all holes, and so he had 296 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.279 to go, and so he just like he just went 297 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.200 like in a panic and like kind of made a 298 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:44.960 mess out of everything, and he had to go back 299 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.120 to the room. And as soon as we got to 300 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.360 the room, there were normal toilets in the room, and 301 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.279 he was like really upset about that because if he 302 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.080 just waited five minutes, he would have had a normal toilet. 303 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.840 But wait, was the hole meant for shit? 304 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.039 It was meant for shit, but I okay, it was whether. 305 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:00.120 A tower outlet or something. 306 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.279 It wasn't it wasn't not a toilet, but I would 307 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.720 say compared to our standards, it was not what he 308 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:11.639 was hoping to explode, you know, his stomach into Like 309 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.440 he was hoping for a toilet, and that's just not 310 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:14.799 what he got. 311 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.960 That's when we're down recording, I'm gonna ask you who 312 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:19.279 that was. 313 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:20.960 I'll tell you. 314 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.840 Yeah, we're we're considering doing for leisure. Doesn't have anything 315 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.960 to do with TGS. We're considering Japan as one of 316 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.000 Amanda and I are considering Japan next year. I don't 317 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.799 it was Sokka twice. I've never left Oscca, though I want. 318 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:37.679 I want to see Tokyo, I want to Kyoto, but 319 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.200 there's also like I'd love to make it up to 320 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:41.720 Hokkaido if I can. 321 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.120 Oh, that'd be so nice. 322 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.200 Well, I'll say the same thing to everybody, which is 323 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.679 the person who was my guide. He has a website 324 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.320 called Unbeaten Japan, and he's just a dude who's like 325 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.279 lived there for thirty years. That's it, like that's his 326 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.200 experience and he just loves it. But because he can translate, 327 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.240 he was our key getting into these places. 328 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.879 And so that's who I recommend, and he's just a 329 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.799 he is this a nice guy. He is a bit 330 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:06.639 of a personality. 331 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.000 I think that's just what you get when you get 332 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.039 someone who's like traveled most of their life. And he 333 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.159 had a lot of information and insight that I didn't 334 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:15.799 have without him and basically took us to a bunch 335 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.120 of newdion sends for the week. 336 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:18.759 It was great. 337 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.879 I saw a lot of the hanged on. I saw 338 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:26.240 a lot. 339 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.159 Yeah, every time we went to one these. 340 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.799 I mean, because they're public, people use them to like 341 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.600 bathe and relax and that's like totally accepted. 342 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:36.240 So yeah, I saw it. 343 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:37.200 Saw a lot. 344 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.720 How many how many dongs? 345 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:41.120 How many of each? 346 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.840 I'm honestly going to say two dozen. I saw a lot, yeah, 347 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:50.679 two Yeah. It wasn't the same dong twenty four times, right. Yeah. 348 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.600 There was these signs. I'll share you guys. 349 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.879 I took a photo of one when you walk in 350 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.679 and it just had a photo of a guy, like 351 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:02.080 a cartoon guy ending like this and it had a 352 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.880 no symbol and it said no showing off. It's like 353 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.960 the Onsen's way of being like don't fucking wag your 354 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.000 dick around. 355 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.519 Like applying his dick staff or is it just like 356 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:13.759 you shouldn't be doing cartwheels. 357 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.400 Don't show you? It just said, don't show off, like, 358 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.119 don't show off your your helicoptering. 359 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.960 Yeah, one for everyone? 360 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:23.359 Yeah, yeah, I mean. 361 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:27.799 What was happening twelve Yeah. 362 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.119 The rest of the trip we kept saying like, don't 363 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.359 show off, like put it, put your goddamn dick away. 364 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:34.640 I don't want to see it anymore. 365 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.799 You know, you just kind of got to you gotta 366 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.640 contain the locals. 367 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.599 All right, have a Have I talked? 368 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:44.440 I haven't talked to either of you since my house 369 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.640 almost exploded. But were you aware I did one Instagram 370 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:48.279 story about this? 371 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:48.599 Did you? 372 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:49.519 I didn't know. 373 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:55.480 I don't think about the explosion and explode war with 374 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:56.119 your birds? 375 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.680 Oh the birds are that's a that's the forever war 376 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.119 here is like that's well, I mean like I did 377 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.039 a bunch of shit in the last week and it 378 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.599 didn't work, and I just don't know what else can 379 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.200 be done. 380 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.359 Henry Kissinger of his neighborhood with the birds. 381 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.680 The explosion actually might have actually solved the larger war, 382 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.880 but so no, I'm getting a new driveway and I. 383 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.240 Can't peck a house that's fucking blown up. 384 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:19.200 It's true. 385 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.079 So I was getting a new driveway and they were, 386 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.039 you know, they dig up the old one and everything 387 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:26.400 and they get rid of all the concrete. They're still 388 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.960 working on it. They're almost done. But I'm down here. 389 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.880 I was doing the boy smail dump truck. It's one 390 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:33.680 of our podcasts of Giant Bomb. I'm in the middle 391 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.039 of it, and I can hear Bank coming down and 392 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:37.839 like calling my name, and I'm like, right away, like 393 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:39.799 that's where she's like, you knows when I'm on the air, 394 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:41.960 and you know, like nose to you know, and then 395 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.359 she like walks in and like you know, I'm on 396 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.319 the air. She walks in and I'm like, okay, something 397 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.039 must be up, and I turn around. She's like, we 398 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.279 have to get out of the house right now. They 399 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.920 hit a gas line. And so it turns out like 400 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:56.720 they did the thing where they called in, because you know, 401 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.160 you got to call in, Like every state has a 402 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.839 different thing. The one here is called gopher. I've learned 403 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:02.359 a lot about this in the last week or so. 404 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.559 And they it just wasn't marked properly, and so they 405 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:09.720 took these post holes or posts something or other I 406 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:11.440 don't know what it's called, but like they did this 407 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:13.839 thing that like it's supposed to be you know, like 408 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.000 more than twelve inches down is where. 409 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:17.720 These pipes are supposed to be and these gas lines. 410 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.799 But you know, the house is from like the seventies 411 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.400 and stuff, and it's like maybe they don't have all 412 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.119 those records or whatever, so like it wasn't marked and 413 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.319 so they just like drunk chunk. They just took out 414 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.279 the ground and it wasn't a nick. It was a 415 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.599 full on sever of the gas line leading into the house. 416 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.279 And so they're like, you gotta get out of the 417 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.759 house right now, Scots, scram on out there. 418 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.599 They spark it outside, it'll come inside and blow everything 419 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:40.960 up and it wouldn't be good. 420 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.359 Yeah, it's like seriously like bad news. 421 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.799 So we get out there, Box got the dogs, and 422 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:48.680 it's like I instantly started thinking about the cat, like 423 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.359 what the what the fuck do we do about to 424 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:52.160 get the cats in there? Like you know that there's gas, 425 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:57.240 there's potential explosion stuff. And they're like they have fireman come, 426 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:01.480 the city comes, they bring excavators, they fire trucks, they. 427 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:01.920 Bring everything in. 428 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.039 All these guys, you know, the driveway dudes, the firemen 429 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.279 everything are going door to door in my neighborhood and 430 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.200 saying get out of the house, go down, go like 431 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.880 over a block away. Do not start your car because 432 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.480 I have a car. Like by the way, everything reeks 433 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.839 of gas, like just ad like for a block. 434 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:21.440 That's the thing. 435 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.319 So we had razor and gizmo and you know, box 436 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.319 down amount of leash and everything. She was able to 437 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.799 grab the leash and then we had to scramble out 438 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.359 and so I'm asking like I'm like I got a 439 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.119 cat in there. I gotta get in there. And the 440 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.519 driveway guys were like, uh yeah, go ahead, go in there. 441 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.440 And I'm like I start walking up to the house 442 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:39.720 and it is like the sound is like it was 443 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.319 so loud that the fireman thought that it was the 444 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:44.759 main line to the neighborhood that got separate because it's 445 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:49.559 like I just gas going into the air and I'm 446 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:51.319 going up to the door and I'm like, I almost 447 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:52.839 certainly I'm not supposed to go in there. And I 448 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:54.880 turned to a fireman who's not going in there, and 449 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.839 I was like, can I go in here? And He's like, 450 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.960 oh no, do not go in there. I was like okay, 451 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.680 thanks driveway guys. Yeah, it's cool. 452 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:02.519 I don't know what's going on. 453 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.799 So it was like it was really rough because it 454 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:06.680 was like, you know, we have to stay far away 455 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.759 from the house, and it is like, I mean, they 456 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.759 were being very serious about like the slightest spark could 457 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.079 like ignite the fucking neighborhood, like the house would be 458 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.119 so and yeah, it's it's interesting because like you know, 459 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.839 you can't you can't manufacture these type of like potential 460 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.240 emergency situations, so you don't really know how you react 461 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.720 in it until you're there, and you know, it is 462 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:30.319 interesting because it's like in the moment, I was just 463 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:32.000 like all I was thinking about was the cat. You know, 464 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.519 it's like anything else the house could fucking explode and 465 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.440 everything I've ever owned whatever, that's things replaceable, but. 466 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.599 I just assurances for but you can't replace beloved exactly. 467 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:42.279 Yeah. 468 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.559 Yeah, so sad well, well, I mean happy ending in 469 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:50.880 case anyone's listening here, but yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 470 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:52.839 So I'm just sitting out there saying I can't. 471 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:53.880 Go in there in his house. 472 00:21:54.000 --> 00:22:01.599 Mike, Yeah, animals are Dan, are. 473 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:02.480 You in the house? 474 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.359 So yeah, I'm just didn't all you can. Is just 475 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.720 I'm just standing outside just watching, like you know, people 476 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.599 like cautiously approach the house, and neighbors like they're all 477 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:14.680 coming up and asking and stuff like what's going on. 478 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:16.599 It was just a hole to do. 479 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:19.640 And I'd say, you know, thirty forty minutes or whatever, 480 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.079 they did a test. They were able to go inside, 481 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.279 and they're like, okay, the levels inside the house seem okay, 482 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.960 Like it's like these the gas line was outside, so 483 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.440 most that gas is just in the neighborhood air at 484 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:31.920 this great. 485 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.279 Yeah, the bird's problem birds, yes, falling left. 486 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:36.519 Yeah. 487 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:36.640 Right. 488 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:39.880 They're like, because I have to ask about the cat, 489 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.359 and they're like, okay, you can go in, but don't 490 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.680 leave the door open long because more gas will get in. 491 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.960 And also just don't be in there long. You know. 492 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.000 It's like, you know, because any sparks anything, there's gas 493 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.920 in relations up here. 494 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.599 Yeah, And I smelled like crazy when I was going 495 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:55.839 in there. 496 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.319 So I get in there and I'm just like, okay, 497 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.039 the cat's probably under the bed upstairs, and so I 498 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:04.119 run upstairs. Sure enough, this asshole is sitting smoking a cigarette. Yeah, 499 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.559 just having a great time, sunglasses on, and he's a 500 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.359 dead center under the bed and it's like you know, 501 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.119 king sized things. So it's like I can't just easily 502 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:12.960 reach there. So I'm like, buss, come on, and he's 503 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.799 a fucking cat. Like the dogs you can like cook, 504 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:15.480 come on, man, and. 505 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.720 They'll need a broom handle or something. 506 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.160 Yeah. So the cat was not having it. 507 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.759 I was like, dude, we are we need I'm trying 508 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:24.440 to save our lives here, Let's get out of here. 509 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:25.759 Yeah, And so I take my cut. 510 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:27.759 There was like a little pad or something under there, 511 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.319 like a little like seating pad for the cats, and 512 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.599 I grabed I swiped it at the cat and he 513 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.799 ran to the other side and I was like okay, 514 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.640 and so I crawl around to the other side and 515 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.279 he runs to the center again like you motherfucker, Like 516 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:40.559 we are going to die. 517 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.880 So just like poking him. He's going to the other side. 518 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:45.200 And finally I just had to like kind of like 519 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.759 put my fingers kind of on the back of his 520 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.599 neck a little bit when and just kind of like yeah, 521 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:50.799 the scrub, and I was able to just kind of 522 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.799 lead him out and grab him throwing a c and 523 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.519 take him outside. 524 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.599 It's unfortunate, but like there is just a rule to 525 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.519 save a save an animal's life, I would absolutely it up. 526 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.480 I would ask, oh, yeah, just to get him the 527 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:03.079 fuck out of the house. 528 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.880 Yeah, we've thought about it all. If we have, like 529 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.559 if we ever had a fire here, I always think about, like, 530 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.319 oh god, Daisy and Luna would be easy enough to get. 531 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.839 We know all their hiding spots when they're like anxious. 532 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.279 Scarlet is the one who does goes to the center 533 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.720 of the bed when if there's There's been a couple 534 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:20.440 times when I needed to get them to the vet 535 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.480 or I had to get when I was living by 536 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.160 myself before I'm an Amanda, I had to get Daisy 537 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.880 and Scarlett to the vet because Daisy was all of 538 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:27.880 a sudden not feeling well. It seemed like an emergency. 539 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:29.920 So Scarlett was doing the bed thing. I was like, nope, 540 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.759 not having it. So I grabbed the bottom of the 541 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.839 bed and just like lifted it up so it no 542 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.039 longer became a hiding spot for her. It was just 543 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.359 this like weird thing. So then she ran to the other room. 544 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:44.440 I got her, but yeah, there they are elusive creatures. 545 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.519 Yeah, and he did not like it because like put 546 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:48.519 him in the crate took him outside. He's never outside. 547 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.640 He's a you know, fancy flufy as cat. He doesn't 548 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.240 go outside. So he was nowing a lot and everyone, 549 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.599 all the dogs were freaking out and stuff. Then eventually, 550 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.960 like the fireman go in to try to like give 551 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.759 the all clearer basically because like you know, just to 552 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.319 make sure the house wasn't filled with whatever gas. And 553 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:05.039 the fireman comes out and I kind of run up 554 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.720 to him like are we good, and he just goes, man, 555 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.039 I just want to tell you you are my hero. 556 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.480 And I was like, uh, I was like my first 557 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:12.799 day was. 558 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.319 Like okay, this is like a giant bomb finger, like, 559 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:14.839 what's what. 560 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.599 Is going on here? And he just goes no metal 561 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.759 gear solid, I love metal. 562 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.920 He saw his house, he saw the Big Boss statue. 563 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.880 Inspirement's going around looking for Gast like, oh ship is 564 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:27.880 that big Boss? 565 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.240 We gotta save this house. 566 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:34.799 Everyone walking around unopened, and sixty four cars just mysteriously disappeared. 567 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:34.759 In the cast. 568 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.720 I wish unopened ones. 569 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:39.319 Is just bulging. 570 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:40.920 Yeah, he's got all the. 571 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:44.799 Convention Yeah, so funny. 572 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.400 Or Marge, I guess yeah, But he told me later 573 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.319 once it was all done and everyone was leaving, He's like, 574 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.480 I'm sorry if that was unprofessional back there, but it's 575 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:52.000 really cool. 576 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:55.079 Yeah, man, about. 577 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.079 Saving the cat. I thought it was because you came 578 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:57.839 right back. 579 00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:58.640 In to save the cat. 580 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:00.079 He didn't say shit about the cat. 581 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.519 About that cat, but he was like, you are so 582 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:10.079 cool with all that fucking gamer ship in there. Wow. 583 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.000 Yeah, so avoided. Uh you know we got back in 584 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.640 that night. You know they're back working on the driveway. 585 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.759 I just, yeah, I don't know. It's an insane sequence 586 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:20.519 of vincent. I was on the air when it happened 587 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.640 to be like, I gotta leave this podcast now bye 588 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.599 and hang up. 589 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:26.440 And yeah, just a terrifying way to end. 590 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.680 But I'm glad that everything worked out and you're okay, 591 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:32.799 and it looks like your house is in order and 592 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:34.079 they've cleared up all the gas. 593 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:36.680 I hope it hated into the air. 594 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.440 I mean that was last Thursday. I've I've made it 595 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:41.319 almost a week, so it should be okay. 596 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.440 I feel like if you were to have blown up, 597 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:44.519 it would have happened by now. 598 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.960 I don't think I'm I think we're fine. We've used 599 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:48.359 fire in the house. 600 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.319 Since then, so you used a fire. 601 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.440 Actually, I can't confirm that, but I'm sure Banks used 602 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.160 the stove. I have not made a fire since then, 603 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.359 but forever really, but yeah. 604 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.599 You very barely if ever make a fire. 605 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.640 Dawn, No y I happened. We'll talk about that later. 606 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:06.839 Oh yeah, I will say. 607 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.400 When I was in Osaka, Osaka has a castle and 608 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.279 my hotel kind of like faced the castle, and I 609 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.839 thought to myself, a castle times, what would we do 610 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.960 in castle time? 611 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:18.759 A different type of castle times? 612 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.759 Like when I say castle times, I mainly think, you know, 613 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.839 swords and knights and stuff totally, you know, like this 614 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.599 is like times, right. 615 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.640 I mean you can think about it when you're in 616 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.680 Yota as well, because yeah, we probably wouldn't have a 617 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:31.960 lot of jobs back. 618 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:35.880 Then, right right, Yeah, I would have sucked back then too, 619 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:36.799 But yeah, I. 620 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.559 Believe took place far in the future compared to what 621 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:40.440 Dan's talking about. 622 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:46.799 Yota was after castle times and hundred years after Sushima. 623 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.559 And there's guns, you there's guns. 624 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:51.079 That's going to be least eighteen hundreds right. 625 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.559 Actually, now I'm curious what is the exact year we'll get. 626 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:55.920 To when you last Samurai happened? 627 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:57.839 When did guns get invented? 628 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.880 Guns are probably eighteen hundreds, right, would they have those 629 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:02.680 big stupid. 630 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.680 Must until you see the whites of their eyes? 631 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:06.960 Was no? 632 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.519 Late eighteenth century, seventeen hundreds. 633 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.200 Did they have guns in the Revolutionary War? 634 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:12.759 Did they have guns? 635 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:14.720 You're asking me if they had guns in the Revolutionary War? 636 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.039 Did assume they did? 637 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.160 I assume they did. 638 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.599 It was only swords back then, Dan. 639 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.000 I don't believe you. You're not This is yes, we 640 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.400 fought the British off largely with guns. I mean, yes, 641 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.160 I would have that's I would have said, yes, that's 642 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.440 probably what happened. But you're just asking for clarification. 643 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.039 Okay, I mean there's not like a famous like like 644 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.359 okay Lincoln got assassinated with the gun that was the 645 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.640 eighteen hundred. It's like what was like a famous gun 646 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.319 thing that had like a gun incident from the seventeen hundreds. 647 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.400 She just wore no, she said, don't the shot heard 648 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.839 around the world is what started the Revolutionary I don't 649 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.880 know what that is. And Lexington, Lexington and Concord and 650 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:58.359 Lexington literally like one musket supposedly, you know, the Revolutionary War. 651 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.519 She just said, don't shoot till you see the whites 652 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.119 of their eyes. But I have no idea the context 653 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.799 the Battle of Bunker Hill. I believe there were so 654 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.039 low on AMMO that the like the American general said, like, 655 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.119 don't fire into until you see the whites of their eyes. 656 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.119 Mary, is this one of those things where you're you 657 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.079 also didn't like Hamilton, but you didn't want to say it. 658 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.279 No, I mean I think I know a little bit 659 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.359 more about guns than you. But I will say, Mike, 660 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.559 your war knowledge of like knowing the battle is. 661 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.079 No, I don't know Bunker Hill. I don't know where 662 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.279 there were so low on ammo that don't fire until 663 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:30.680 you see the whites their eyes. Oh, it was an 664 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.319 animal conservation thing. Yes, they're so close you see the 665 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.000 whites of their eyes. Don't fire until you know you're 666 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.640 gonna hit something with the one musketball you have or whatever. 667 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.599 You ago. 668 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.960 What I never thought about that would have phrase before. 669 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.559 I thought it was just because like their guns sucked 670 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.160 whenever they said that, and so they got to wait 671 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:45.839 till they're closer. 672 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.119 No, Yeah, we had. There was plenty of guns during 673 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.160 the Revolutionary War. I'm trying to think of the earliest 674 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:51.039 one that like didn't the. 675 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.240 Jesus times didn't have guns. 676 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:54.880 Correct. 677 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.759 Is Jesus times Castle times, Jesus American dimes. Figure if 678 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.240 he had a gun, Oh, Jesus had a gun. Yeah, 679 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.880 Jesus with a glock would have been a very different massides. 680 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.640 I turned that water into one. And now check this out? 681 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.559 What is he looker? Yeah, I'm curious. Okay, now I'm 682 00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.359 gonna actually look up the dumble chat. I don't think 683 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.279 it was Bunker Hill now they think it was. Uh no, 684 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.759 what about Yorktown? Yorktown? They didn't have an ammal problem. 685 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:21.039 And then the French were there, I believe. 686 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.119 Uh, the French were in the Revolutionary War. 687 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:25.480 The French funded us. 688 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.000 What do they have to do with anything? It was 689 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:28.839 America and England. 690 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.519 They were rivals with the British. England. They were colon 691 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.319 like colonial rivals with the British. 692 00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.519 Did they send dudes over here? Yes, dudes? 693 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.559 Uh? Marquita sat like guns dudes. 694 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.440 He was the guy thatcked all the word sex. 695 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:50.039 Uh right, your memory is so selective. 696 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:56.160 Marquis is sadist. Wait now, so this is the funny thing, 697 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.240 Like I I now I'm miss mixing up stuff. So 698 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.839 Marquis Sat I think he was a French writer Nope, 699 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.559 I got it wrong. He was a guy, yes, correct. 700 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.200 I think it was like smut, stop saying sex guy. 701 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.119 That was his deal though, right. They made after how 702 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:13.759 much is he liked sex stuff? 703 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:15.039 Everybody? 704 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.359 He was like, he was crazy about it. 705 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.000 It was Bunker Hill on June seventeen, seventeen seventy five. 706 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.759 I was correct, but I was not correct about Marquis 707 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.799 de Sade. But uh yeah, no, they were read a 708 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.640 book lots of guns in the Revolutionary War. 709 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.319 I did how sadism was invented a book by freaks. 710 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.039 Marquis de Sade was horny intro. 711 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.000 By Dan Reikert, who apparently loves this shit. 712 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.400 No, I do get confused about, like there's sadism and 713 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.200 masochism and one of them is hurting and one of 714 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:50.400 them is loving getting hurt, And I don't whatever Marquis 715 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.079 dead was into is what sadism is, because I think 716 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.119 they named sadism after him. So masochism is there a 717 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.440 dude named like Steve Masochism and he loved getting hurt 718 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.680 Steve Macho, Yeah yeah, and he was like, oh step 719 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.200 on my dick, yeah yeah. 720 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.400 And Marquis was the one who stepped on his dick. 721 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:07.240 That's how we got right. 722 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.680 Yes, the Revolutionary War go off, and. 723 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:12.680 Then and then we did not have guns of the 724 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:14.640 Revolutionary War. So and then all of a sudden, Marquis 725 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.000 Dead showed up with like a fucking fifty kl machine gun. 726 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.640 They're like, what is this and he's like, I'll show you, 727 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.359 and he had a rock hard dick. Steve Maso was like, 728 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.720 shoot me, shoot me over and over and over, and 729 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:31.279 he fucking spooged all over everybody. That's where spooge Town, 730 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:37.319 the capitol of Virginia came from. Okay, yeah, yeah, don't 731 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.720 see what that Yeah, no way, No, let's be quiet 732 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.799 and let Mary finish that thought. Mary, the floor is yours, Mary, 733 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:49.319 the floor is yours. I was going where you were coming. 734 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:55.839 No imagine if you're imagine, if you you have you're 735 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.279 like one of fifty dudes and you have one musketball 736 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.599 and the entire British armies charged up a hill at you, 737 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.640 and this fucking just gonzo general goes, don't shoot until 738 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.240 you see the whites of their dicks. 739 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.400 What do you do? 740 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:11.119 I would run direction you. 741 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.119 Wait until you see the whites of their dicks. 742 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.759 But the other direction is just the top of a 743 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.160 hill that's still surrounded. 744 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:18.079 You coward. 745 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.480 You're gonna get fucking talk about hanging dong during the 746 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.400 Revolutionary War. 747 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.759 You gotta face it, Mike, you coward. 748 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:25.920 Yeah, I guess so. 749 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:30.079 I'm gonna report you for abandoning your post. Are you 750 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:31.839 from being afraid of Big Dick? 751 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:38.400 You guys want to talk about video games? Okay, Mary, 752 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.920 now that you're back from your escapades, uh, we are 753 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.559 able to talk about a couple of games that you 754 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.599 missed out on the conversation about Hades two Ghosts of Yota. 755 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.559 I believe you played both. We have some new stuff, 756 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.759 but let's do some some circling back the time being 757 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:57.519 how much what are you thinking of Hades two so far? 758 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.640 I am really enjoying Hades too as a comfort food. 759 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.400 This reminds me of Hades. It's so fluid and smooth 760 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.199 and everyone's ridiculously hot. And I think you know this. 761 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.440 But like whatever they did in one where they were like, yeah, 762 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.079 we love to make everyone really attractive, in this one 763 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.280 they were just like, let's give aphrodite no clothes and 764 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.119 maybe just a sliver of hair over. 765 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.199 It was a controversy because they think she's not hot enough. 766 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.679 The internet is mad about you said, and. 767 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.800 Fordite isn't hot enough. That's insane. 768 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.039 It's the Internet. 769 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.679 It's the same type of dude who said that Margot 770 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.320 Robbie wasn't hot enough to play Barbie. 771 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.679 You're just not allowed to have those opinions and a penis. 772 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.079 I think it's ridiculous. Those people are so hot, And 773 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.800 I understand that to a degree, this is all subjective, right, 774 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.440 Like whether or not someone is attractive is personal. You know, 775 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.559 you can have a different vibe than I do. 776 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:58.480 That's fine. 777 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:03.360 But to tell me that Aphrodite isn't hot and is 778 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:08.280 like they've like made a mistake constructing this character is outrageous. 779 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.000 I think the argument that's, well, my internet translators are 780 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.480 well Jeff Grubb, but to a bigger degree, Mike Manatti, 781 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.039 because Mike Manatti is extremely online and he was saying 782 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.440 I think the thing is that they said Aphrodity they 783 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.480 made look more like a dude, is what they said. 784 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.400 I look, I've seen that Diity model a lot. That 785 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.519 looks like a naked lady. 786 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.840 Yeah, naked, seen a naked woman. I'd say she probably 787 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.320 aligns with Well, if you've seen a naked woman. You 788 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.480 would agree she looks like a naked woman. 789 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.320 She looks like a naked. 790 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.440 Woman, and Trogyny is also hot. Like I think it's 791 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.199 kind of like again going back to subjective, but there's 792 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.960 so many people who are like, yeah, are on the 793 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.079 verge of like who's to say, they have elements of 794 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.360 all genders and they look smoking hot. It's like ridiculous 795 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.920 that someone's not lady enough to be hot. She's hot, period, 796 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.960 end of story. I refuse to entertain that she's so 797 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.440 fucking hot. Everyone in this game is very attractive that 798 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.239 I feel we don't talk about our boons enough. 799 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.079 Good boons, yeah, boom. 800 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.840 I've enjoyed the mechanics that you essentially start with everything right. 801 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.920 You're not like, uh, you have your X, your y's, 802 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.000 your b's, and your a's right, you have a dash, 803 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.880 you have your main attack, you have an additional attack, 804 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.599 and then you have like an aerial. I don't know 805 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.440 what you would call that, but like maybe it's usually 806 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.079 it is like some kind of freeze or pose. 807 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.719 So good you can you can freeze them and then 808 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.599 hurt them or and then the way you can. 809 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.719 But I've been enjoying like unlocking all the different, uh, 810 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.639 different types of weapons and kind of playing around with them, right, 811 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.920 the fire sticks that like throw fire from a farce 812 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.960 that's like more of a distance weapon, Maine that I've 813 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:03.960 been enjoying a lot. 814 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.440 I am stuck. I haven't beat it yet. I'm at 815 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:07.480 the dog. 816 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.280 Okay, so you're the third third boss when you're going out, Yes. 817 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:14.760 And I wish I had more time with it. I 818 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.880 think like with more time, I absolutely would be a 819 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.239 little further. But I've unfortunately been a little limited with 820 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.280 my work and travel schedule. But with the time I've 821 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.360 put into it, I have been consistently able to get 822 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.480 to the dog. But that dog is hard. Yes, It's 823 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:31.199 very difficult. 824 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.559 Yeah. The bosses are all hard, i'd say in their 825 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.519 own way. At first, when you're fighting the band at 826 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.159 the end of oceanis like it's one of those games 827 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:40.519 where we're like, how the fuck am I ever going 828 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.440 to beat these these the bosses, the sirens sirens. Yeah, 829 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.760 So you get to a point where like they just 830 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:51.360 become more of like a light stepping stone on the 831 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.039 way to the new boss. It's giving you trouble. 832 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.159 It also kind of becomes like, you know, like a 833 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.800 good rogue light. They've just become nothing at a certain point, 834 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.400 Like I died the probably ten times before I moved on, 835 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.280 and then it's like I don't even think about it. 836 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:02.800 When I approach it. 837 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.519 Yeah, you're like not even questioning it anymore. I think 838 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.800 it's it's a I think it's brilliant, and I don't 839 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.440 really have a lot of notes. I think the only 840 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.199 thing and this is like just the minoriest of things. 841 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:14.920 But maybe this will come up in Gody. I don't 842 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:18.880 really know which is Like, this game was our Gody 843 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.480 once upon a time, and it really scratched an itch 844 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.400 for me that I didn't know I had. I didn't 845 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.079 know that I would be so addicted to a game 846 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.559 like this. And with the second one, I think it 847 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.280 is it is perfecting more of what I loved about 848 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.679 the first one. At the same time, my needs in 849 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.159 gaming has shifted very slightly, ever so slightly from when 850 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.159 we like are originally like loved this game, And so 851 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.239 while I think this game is excellent, it is not 852 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.400 always what I am craving to play, Whereas like the original, 853 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.199 I was like craving to play Haites like every freaking day. 854 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:52.320 I could not put it down. 855 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.719 I kind of went the other direction where it's like 856 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.440 the first one I loved, you know, like I didn't 857 00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.079 you know, I don't think it was my personal game 858 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:00.679 of the year, but I think I definitely didn't push 859 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.559 for anything else to be our game of the year. Sure, 860 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.039 talk about it, yeah yeah, but the thing. 861 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.800 Was likely didn't discuss it. 862 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:08.679 Yeah yeah. 863 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.079 Like to beat that one, though, to really beat it, 864 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.920 you have to beat Haiti's like ten times or whatever. 865 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.679 And I remember I beat it once and I was like, Okay, good, 866 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.960 great game. Love that game. Uh with this one, you know, 867 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.079 I won't spoil anything, but like it is not a 868 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.920 thing of like, oh, you don't just beat Kronos once 869 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.559 and then you're done. And I was still so so 870 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.239 into it that I very much went all the way 871 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.440 in and beat it many many times. 872 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.960 Got the credit. I know, there's like the real super 873 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.920 duper ending thing and everything, but like I saw credits. 874 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:37.320 You know, I. 875 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:40.760 People who be I will know what that means. But 876 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.960 and I think I like this one way way more. 877 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.039 And I adored the first one. It's just like this 878 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.360 one does so many smart little things, like even as 879 00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.239 simple as like the cast thing like that is such 880 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.199 a more effective way to attack and contain enemies now 881 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:53.960 really an update. 882 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.320 I also just want to say too, like I think 883 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.519 mechanically they've made this sharper, but I think they've added 884 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:04.079 more human too. I heard someone singing when I got 885 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.320 home after you know, losing a battle, and like went 886 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.079 up to them and there was a button to sing 887 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.559 with them, and I just sang with them for like 888 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.119 five minutes, and it was so beautiful and it was 889 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.320 such a delightful addition to this space to just let 890 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.679 me sing a song with someone who it's the person 891 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.199 the archer I think marine yeah, And I just I 892 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.159 adored the energy. They knew where to put the extra 893 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.159 elements in this game to let you feel its soul. 894 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.920 I think you really know that they cared about this game. 895 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.800 I mean, this one really makes me appreciate I guess 896 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.760 the first one too, like early access, because you know, 897 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.480 I've said plenty that, like I don't play games in 898 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.239 early access really because I just want to wait till 899 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.480 they're like done, done, done. And like I learned my 900 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.400 lesson with like Rogue Legacy two I was so excited 901 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:48.920 about and then I played in an early access and 902 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.639 I was like not really, there's not a lot there, 903 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.599 and by the time it actually came out, I like 904 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.199 didn't really even really play it that much. 905 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.519 In case in point, I didn't play in early Access. 906 00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.400 I have played it since it's like been finished, and 907 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:00.280 I fucking love game. 908 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.159 Yeah, and I hear it's great, but it's like and 909 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:03.719 I'll probably get to it at some point and be like, 910 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.400 oh shit, I missed out, but like it's because I 911 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:06.760 played it a bunch when it came out in an 912 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.639 early access and blah blah blah. You know, I've said 913 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.119 this for it, but like, I once again feel justified 914 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.280 in waiting for this one because I love what Early 915 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.239 Access allowed them to do. Because this game is just 916 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.480 dripping with personality and all these little touches and things 917 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.639 like Mary you saying, you know, singing along with the 918 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.840 Artemis and things like that. Like I don't know every 919 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.960 step of the way in early Access when they added what, 920 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.320 but I do know that when I played it when 921 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.760 it was one point zero, It's like this is such 922 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.800 a like all that time in early Access clearly paid off. 923 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.280 Like it's just this well fleshed out game with so 924 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.360 much going on. Everything's so fucking polished and worth the 925 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.519 way for sure. So but I also like, I don't 926 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.760 regard to anyone obviously who like early access is a 927 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:48.519 valuable thing. 928 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.559 It's just not for me. But this game is tremendous. 929 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.960 I've since played much more since I talked to Dan, 930 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:01.599 you and Jesse about it. It's funny talking to people 931 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:06.119 about their favorite weapons. I've gotten a very wide spread same. Uh, 932 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.559 like I don't I don't see one clear front Runner. 933 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.480 What do you think mine is? This isn't fun. 934 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:15.079 I'm gonna say short, the short ones that are really fast. 935 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.360 I'm gonna say the gun, the gun, I'm gonna say 936 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:17.880 the skull gun. 937 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.000 So what remind me? What of the names? It's like 938 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.840 the sickle and this, the knife, one of those witch, 939 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.119 the sister blades, Sister blades, those are awesome. Yeah, I 940 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.639 just like you. Yeah, I know you're not the biggest fan. 941 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.280 I think the umber torches are you say? 942 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.679 I came around on everything like the torches, the skull gun, 943 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.599 the one yeah, yeah, I didn't love them, and then like. 944 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.119 I don't just stuff the original weapon. It feels like 945 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.880 the spear from the first game. It reminds me of 946 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.760 the age of Spear whatever it's called. I like the staff, yeah, yeah, 947 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.119 it's and I love the reach of it. 948 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.800 Yeah, honestly, they're all very good. Yeah, it's great, especially 949 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.280 you get a couple of hammer up grades. You find 950 00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.519 an aspect that works for you, like you can really 951 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.159 make it work for you, and they're all. 952 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.159 Battle Axe has its own stuff going forward. 953 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:04.960 I love the battle Axe, the site, the battle Axe, 954 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.199 and I just like upgrade the shit out of the 955 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.239 attack speed and it's like, oh man, I think it's 956 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:08.719 a killer. 957 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.800 So yeah, yeah, I wrote it through you. I like 958 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.519 the game a lot, like I'm kind of more in 959 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.599 Mary's Camp where I played the first game to death. 960 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.400 So now this feels like a meaningful evolution in which 961 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:29.639 the character mechanically plays much different than zagrias did. Melanoe 962 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.440 feels much more. I think that my favorite builds in 963 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.519 the first Hades were very much about not giving a 964 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.039 fuck about my spatial positioning. I would get Poseidon's Rage 965 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.199 and would I would upgrade my dash a lot. I 966 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.280 would stick to the weapons that were close range so 967 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.400 I could just literally dart all over the map. You 968 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.280 could do that as Melanoe. I will say, I think 969 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.639 Hades two kind of forces you in a good way, 970 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.119 or encourages you to really be aware of your positioning 971 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.880 a bit more, because your cast is a close proximity thing. 972 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.119 If you really want to you you cast in close proximity, 973 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:02.840 then you can obviously move away and the enemies that 974 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.920 were in it get trapped slowed obviously, you get Aphrodite's boons, 975 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.239 you get Betidons boons. You can make that cast do 976 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.960 very different things. The specials for the weapons. I'm trying 977 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:19.159 to think if there's an an anomaly here. They're generally ranged. 978 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.119 Well there's weird ones where it's like the skull is 979 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.320 like it is ranged in that you are dashing, but 980 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.119 it is also in your way of like retrieving your AMMO. 981 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.719 Yeah, which that reminds me of the cast from Hades 982 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.000 where you had to retrieve the AMMO. 983 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.079 Oh right, you had to go around like you drop 984 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.599 three or four casts then yeah come up yeah. 985 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.960 Which that was a cool mechanic. But I do appreciate 986 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.639 that Melanoi feels very much like a new character. I 987 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.840 had the weirdest reminder of Dark Siders the franchise when 988 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.320 I was playing this, because they're very similar. Actually, No, 989 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:51.000 Dark Siders two went Open World three was like an 990 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.960 action RPG, but you're pulling characters from a like a pantheon. 991 00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.960 This is obviously Greek myth. Dark Siders was more actually 992 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:01.920 Dark Siders with some Greek myth too, but then some 993 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:05.199 like Roman stuff peppered in. But they're finding different characters, 994 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.599 and then it's very much about how they function differently, 995 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.079 Like the difference between Melanoe and Zagrias is similar to 996 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:18.239 the difference between like Bayonetta and someone from DMC. They 997 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.719 play that differently in my mind, So sure, yeah, I'm 998 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.239 I'm And then I said this last time, the more 999 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.400 I unlock aspects of the what's the what's the hideout 1000 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:35.039 called here, the HQ, the something ground, witching grounds. 1001 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.480 I do you know the official name for shit? 1002 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:40.079 Yeah? 1003 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.280 Like you know the super area, It'll come to me. 1004 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:48.960 The crossroads, right crossroads, I think it's Crossroads. I it's 1005 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.280 just not the easiest space to parse, even as I've played, 1006 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.400 I don't know, I have fifteen twenty hours at this point. 1007 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.360 Like I think the the original just rooms of the 1008 00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.519 first game just were way easier to kind of jump 1009 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.360 around when you had some chores to do before you 1010 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.360 went into your next run. I agree with you, Mary, 1011 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.599 it's gorgeous. I love how characters come in and out. 1012 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:10.360 I love Nemesis. Uh, she's cool as hell. I like Odysseus. 1013 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.559 I love the new characters. I appreciate what they did 1014 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.920 with the returning characters. The Festus is super cool. Uh, 1015 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.840 Hecate the Goddess of Fire? 1016 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:19.079 Is that? 1017 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:19.760 Am I getting there? 1018 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:19.960 Right? 1019 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:20.559 First? 1020 00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:21.079 Boss? Yeah? 1021 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:21.880 She's cool? 1022 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.840 No, no, no, no, Heckita the. 1023 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:27.159 Hephestius. 1024 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.800 Hephestius is the smith, the godd. 1025 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:35.360 Eric Aris got a war. Who's the fucking fire gimmick? 1026 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.559 Hecatay, she's the Goddess of fire. 1027 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.280 He is the witch from the main area that for 1028 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:42.039 the first boss fight. 1029 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.079 Okay maybe, yes, okay, so she's like your mentor. 1030 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:45.920 Yes. 1031 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.440 What is the name of the Goddess of fire? She's 1032 00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:54.079 the Uh, hell's her name. She's Scottish, she's got a 1033 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.559 Scottish accent. She's one of She's she's definitely bigger than Afrodity. 1034 00:46:58.639 --> 00:46:58.840 I'll go. 1035 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:00.559 I don't know, it doesn't matter, but I just like 1036 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.039 I last Estia, thank you when you're start with an h. Yeah, 1037 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:09.679 Heckata is the witch. Yeah. I like this game a lot. 1038 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.360 It's so I don't know what I would want them 1039 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.840 to do if it wasn't just make more hades, So 1040 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.840 I appreciate that's what they did, but the minor meaningful 1041 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.199 tweaks add up to a experience that's larger than some 1042 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:25.880 of its parts. So I'm really liking that game. 1043 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.480 Dan, as someone who beat it, Can I ask you 1044 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.239 a question about the narrative? Yes, I think that generally 1045 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.320 I'm in agreement, even though I have not completed this game. 1046 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.599 That gameplay wise, I think it is a step up 1047 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.159 from the first Hades. I think they've just done a 1048 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.360 little bit more mechanically, and it just seems like it's 1049 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:48.000 a bit more polished and fine tuned. However, sometimes I 1050 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.079 think like the story of one of like Zagrias, he's 1051 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.320 like kind of like this spoiled little prince and he 1052 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.000 kind of has to like fight his dad and it's 1053 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.639 just like a fucking sick story. Like, now that you've 1054 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.960 completed did it, do you feel like the story is 1055 00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.599 as good as the first? 1056 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.400 I feel the exact same way as I did in 1057 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.199 the first, and that, like I can tell this dialogue 1058 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.000 is really well written. But at the end of the day, 1059 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.880 I'm not really following anything. I'm kind of hitting a 1060 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.199 through a good amount of the dialogue. I was like, yeah, 1061 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.599 I get it. R just give me my boon, give 1062 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.440 me my boon. I don't care. So there's bad I 1063 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.039 got there's like, look, every video game is just there's 1064 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.119 a bad guy, go kill it, like Silk Song, what's 1065 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.599 the story. Look there's a big crazy spider, go kill it. 1066 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.679 I don't know, Like it's just like I don't care. 1067 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.880 It's if it's not metal hear solid. It's like, just 1068 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.559 let me play the game. So I'll say, dialogue seems 1069 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:39.920 good in this too. I don't know. 1070 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:41.599 I couldn't tell what the story was. 1071 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:45.559 Yeah, I've been reading. 1072 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.400 Let me try again, Mike, what do you what's your opinion? 1073 00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.599 I mean you kind of said it. I felt like 1074 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.079 the first game was just a spoiled prince, like just 1075 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.159 having a tantrum the whole time. It led to a 1076 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.280 fun game, so I was fine with it. I liked 1077 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.320 a lot of the surrounding characters this one. Actually there's 1078 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.360 way more at stake, like melanois on like Legit Revenge. 1079 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.800 It feels like kill Bill and family right, like my 1080 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:10.679 family was killed. 1081 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.519 I said this last episode. I didn't realize how much 1082 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.760 this game also reminds me of kill Bill, because Yota 1083 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.639 very much is kill Bill to me, But this game 1084 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.440 is like, you're the way that they present enemies in 1085 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.480 kill Bill. In the both of them, it's like they're 1086 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.639 these mythic enemies like the Fighting forty nine or whatever 1087 00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.440 they are, and then it's like a black mom Yeah 1088 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.159 it's at Yeah. So I I think Hades two to 1089 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:39.280 me has more narrative momentum. The first game was just 1090 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.920 like this angsty dude who was meeting people way cooler 1091 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.920 than him and it pissed him off even more and 1092 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.760 he just kept having to go beat up on his dad. 1093 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.960 Which is just hot rod. Yes, I do think it's 1094 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.920 the way that Hades presents it that makes me not 1095 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.519 necessarily care. Is that, like Yota, you brought up, is 1096 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.159 this revenge story? Just like apparently maybe it's it was 1097 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.480 a revenge story. I don't think I knew that, But 1098 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.880 like Yota is like, it's like the whole blood of 1099 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.280 the game, what do they do to run away? I don't, 1100 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:09.800 I honestly don't know what she's getting revenge. 1101 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.159 She talks, She's like I have to get them and 1102 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:13.679 killed my whole family. 1103 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.880 They're in the game, they're not dead. What I'm saying 1104 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.000 is my point is that Yota is like a movie. 1105 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.800 You know, you're watching cut scenes, there's you know, there's 1106 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.960 characters talking to each other. No I mean actually no, 1107 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.880 I did switch to Japanese audio, so I am reading 1108 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.440 the stubbs. But it is presented like a movie. It 1109 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.760 is very like wonderfully shot and everything where it's like 1110 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.639 I just don't need to look at an animated still 1111 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.800 frame and then a paragraph of text like I don't 1112 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.440 really care about that. But a movie, Holy lord, I 1113 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.199 love a movie, and Yota feels more like that. So 1114 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.280 it's that, you know, I know, just the game stories, 1115 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:52.760 what's that. 1116 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.400 Like you play through it, like I think this is 1117 00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.400 early enough that it's not a spoiler, but like you 1118 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.679 play as your young child self, and you like find 1119 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.320 a guy in the forest and he helps you find 1120 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.920 mushrooms and then he is bad, and like. 1121 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:13.119 Is like, I know, it's literally with an hour of 1122 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:13.559 the game. 1123 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.079 M might be right. 1124 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.480 I'm just saying, like it's like the main plot point. 1125 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.360 I think, like one of the very first things that 1126 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.039 happens is you see the tree of your house on fire, 1127 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:25.400 like it's very clear. 1128 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:25.920 Very early. 1129 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.079 Well that's the first cut scene, yes, but you don't 1130 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:29.960 know how it leads up to that until later on. 1131 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.280 I'm just saying if someone can start it, I don't 1132 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.239 think so. I think that sometimes calling you out right. 1133 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.440 Well, it's very early in the game, very very so 1134 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.719 you like meet someone and so you're kind of like 1135 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.760 literally playing the characters that are impacting your family, which 1136 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.559 is and I think a huge mechanic of the game 1137 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.599 is that you change back to your child self. 1138 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:51.920 Early on. Yeah, And it's like I think that works. 1139 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.039 But like there are a bunch of just like traditional 1140 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.000 put your controller down cut scenes in the otay and 1141 00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.000 I guess, I guess we'll just move on to Ota here. 1142 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.440 Mary, you weren't here, Okay, let me really quick before 1143 00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:04.880 I asked Mary, I'm curious what she thinks. 1144 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:05.199 Dan. 1145 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.320 How again, the whole thrust of the game, as you're 1146 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.679 tracking down and killing the Yota six, whether that's successful 1147 00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:15.719 or not, we will leave that to people to see 1148 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.000 when they play themselves. But like, what what how many 1149 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.119 members have you like done their main story for. 1150 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.639 Two although one of them was very involved, which I 1151 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.000 found interesting because it's like, look, this game gets a 1152 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.559 lot of comparisons to like Assassin's Creed Shadows, and I 1153 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.679 definitely did not beat that game, but I saw enough 1154 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:36.400 to be like, oh, you could just stumble upon one 1155 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.960 of the dudes and kill them. Yeah, and Shadows, and 1156 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.599 maybe that is the case with some of Theta six. 1157 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:40.920 I don't know. 1158 00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.599 I don't know. I only killed two, and one of 1159 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.760 them happens, you know, like it's not a super long thing, 1160 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.039 it happens very early on. And then I just did 1161 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.000 one that is like, oh my god, this is like 1162 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.039 a fucking game in itself, like a yeah, there were 1163 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.599 not just a quest line. It's like multiple quests getting 1164 00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.519 to this and setbacks and getting back to it. Oh man, 1165 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.199 this is like I don't know if they're all going 1166 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:03.519 to be like this, because I don't think it's going 1167 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.119 to be a one hundred hour game, but like this 1168 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.119 one was a lot of hours, so you. 1169 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.920 Again like, yeah, it's almost set up like a Zelda 1170 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.679 game where no, you go to a new biome and 1171 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.159 a member of the OTE six is the like main 1172 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.960 boss there, and the whole time you're basically you're doing 1173 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.400 side quest, you're maybe building up kind of a rebellion 1174 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:23.480 maybe you're trying to find a way into their fortress. 1175 00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:28.280 Like I think you went for the one right away, right, yes, 1176 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.239 because you told me you went to the autumnal area. 1177 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:32.519 What was that called? It'll come to me. 1178 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.159 I went to plans, I think Ishi planes. 1179 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.559 I went up to find U Katsune the Fox in 1180 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.679 the snowy area. And so the cool thing in this 1181 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.079 game that I like a lot, every time you get 1182 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.639 a new weapon or a new armor set, there's really 1183 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:51.880 cool context and storytelling around it that makes it feel 1184 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.039 more impactful. When you get the crimson kimono, or you 1185 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.159 get the black mask up in the snow area, in 1186 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.679 the bamboo forest, there's just the game does a really 1187 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.039 good job. Yes, they're absolutely like traditional cutscenes, and I 1188 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.840 think it lends itself well to like you've just been 1189 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.079 spending an hour or two finding hot springs and doing 1190 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:10.920 foxtends and. 1191 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.079 Wolf tends awesome, so in the beautiful. 1192 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.480 And then like there are other times where different villagers 1193 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.480 you talk to are talking about, oh, this person who 1194 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.239 lives over there across the shoals. And then when you 1195 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:24.960 get a new weapon, it's not like you just haven't 1196 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.360 know how to use it. Generally that you have to 1197 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.800 go through some sort of actual training it. 1198 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:31.920 Yeah, it reminds me of like, you know, Kill Bill, 1199 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:33.440 and there's a lot of comparisions to make here and 1200 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.039 Kill Bill, just like Pime sequence of training, Like I'm 1201 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:36.920 a sucker for that stuff. 1202 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.199 Yea, Like they totally have that in this Like you 1203 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:39.760 literally have. 1204 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.719 To like practice cutting through bamboo and stuff to like 1205 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:43.679 to use it. 1206 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:44.480 Yea. 1207 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.599 Yeah, was it last week where your last episode were 1208 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.599 you talking about like them kind of like it's hard 1209 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.000 at first and then like as you train, like that's 1210 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:51.480 so cool. 1211 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.079 Yeah, you have to learn. Basically, the atsu is learning 1212 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.639 how to use her offhand and the way that Sucker 1213 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:03.360 Punch contextualize that. I think the vast majority of people 1214 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:05.079 playing this game are going to be right handed, so 1215 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.320 you actually have to use the left side of the 1216 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.639 controller with the bamboo cut, which if it's your weak hand. 1217 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.039 It's also just not like you're like, oh fuck, I noticed. 1218 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:14.519 I was like, oh, they're not used my right I'm 1219 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.480 not they're not using face buttons in R one, R 1220 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.840 two and the right analog or no, sorry, you don't 1221 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.679 use analogs. But as the days go by, I guess 1222 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.119 you could technically complete it on that first day. Maybe 1223 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.199 I don't know, I fucked up because I sucked with 1224 00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.800 my left hand. Then you wake up on the second 1225 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:30.119 day at the break of dawn. You wake up on 1226 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.159 the third day, and they gradually start introducing easier patterns, 1227 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.320 many of which I noticed use my right hand way 1228 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.840 more so it's like, oh, I'm learning dual swords. It 1229 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:43.599 like they're actually kind of reflecting that on the controller, 1230 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.199 which is a cool way to tell you to atsu. 1231 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.360 I liked it a lot. It sounds like a gimmick 1232 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.239 when I say it out loud, but it worked because again, 1233 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.199 it's like a rocky training sequence where you're I don't know, 1234 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:56.920 it's getting easier. But yeah, Mary, overall, you are where 1235 00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:59.000 are you in the game? Based on what we were saying, 1236 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:00.480 where you like, did you go to I think I've 1237 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:04.639 killed three? Oh shit, okay, so did you go to Yeah? 1238 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.679 So you left the grasslands? Yeah, I mean the first area. 1239 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.280 Did you go to the snow Did you do the 1240 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:09.960 snowy stuff? 1241 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.920 I'm in the snowy stuff, I think, Okay, yeah, yeah, 1242 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:14.800 I'm on the third because I've killed two. 1243 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.599 So you did the you did Ishikari planes, the autumnal 1244 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:23.639 he's building the fortress. Okay cool, uh yeah, so you're 1245 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:27.440 on the third I think I because there are points, 1246 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.599 there are points where you think you're about to bump 1247 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.119 up against the main encounters, and then they're yeah, like 1248 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.559 and then you're like, oh wait ship, no, that's down 1249 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:37.119 the road. 1250 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.079 That's gonna have this goober that shows up. 1251 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:43.320 Hey, I want to They keep pushing me around, they 1252 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.000 keep kicking the can a little bit. I think there 1253 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.639 are times I'll just start by saying, I think this 1254 00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.119 is the most beautiful game I've ever played. I think 1255 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:56.400 stunningly gorgeous. I think I smealed the style riding my 1256 00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.519 horse and like having all these wild horses next to me. 1257 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:03.119 I am like loving visually what is going on in 1258 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:03.559 this game. 1259 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.079 They just absolutely aesthetically. I am swooning. 1260 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.840 I'm just a late title card. When you're red horse 1261 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.079 and use of color yeah. 1262 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.239 Yeah, purple flowers, and then all of a sudden you're 1263 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.880 in the snowy area. But then you see like red trees, 1264 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:18.719 but the orange trees that you're tracking down for that 1265 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:19.320 side quest. 1266 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.039 Yeah, and just like the detail, you know, allowing like 1267 00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:27.320 petals to fly, you know, through the leaves to kick 1268 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.239 up when you're fighting. I mean, I think it's absolutely incredible. 1269 00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:35.320 I'm getting a little tired of the in this area 1270 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.239 you have to use a giant katana and if they 1271 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.559 have a certain weapon, you need to use your giant katana. 1272 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:42.199 If you use the double katana, it's not going to 1273 00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:43.719 be as effective. And it's just like I don't want 1274 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:45.840 to change my goddamn weapon eight times. 1275 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.599 I kind of don't love that either, Like I wish 1276 00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.039 it was a thing where it was like it made 1277 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.400 it harder to like if you're in a fight and 1278 00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.159 somebody's got a spear, it's like, Okay, if you use 1279 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.880 the dual katanas, it's going to be easier. It's like 1280 00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.280 if you do it with just the standard katana or 1281 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.719 the spear whatever, it's just like, yeah. 1282 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.679 Maybe I'm misunderstanding. It is easier when you use the 1283 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.519 right rock paper scissor combination. 1284 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.000 I mean you really should be like, I'm sure you 1285 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.800 can technically do it, but if like they make it 1286 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.679 a pain in the ass intentionally, if it is the 1287 00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.280 wrong thing, which like that's fine on like you know, 1288 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.719 encounter to encounter basis, if it was just like one 1289 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.599 or two dudes. But it's the fact that a lot 1290 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.079 of these fights are these big, you know, cuts, not 1291 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.079 cut scenes, but set piece moments where there's like fucking 1292 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:30.039 ten onny raiders around you, and I'm not really like, 1293 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:33.599 I'm just worried about positioning myself and like parrying and stuff, 1294 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:36.639 and I'm not thinking necessarily like, Okay, he's got the 1295 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.079 dual stick, so I'm gonna switch to the spear, and 1296 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.440 I'm gonna he's got that I'm switching to. Like that 1297 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:43.960 is an extra layer that is not fun for me. 1298 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.039 I wish I could just be in the moment of 1299 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.840 the fight and like kind of like parrying and counterattacking. 1300 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:49.760 I also like. 1301 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.079 Mastering something right, like I like playing. 1302 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.280 I do like that they're teaching me, so like going 1303 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.920 back to like the learning how to cut the bamboo. 1304 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:57.440 Loved it. 1305 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.079 I thought that was a really neat sequence, And I 1306 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:00.760 agree with you, Mike. I thought it worked for me, 1307 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.880 even though if I'm describing it, it feels gimmicky when 1308 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:04.400 I describe it. 1309 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.639 But in the moment, I was like, I'm learning. 1310 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.760 To cut through bamboo because my master's teaching me. I 1311 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.639 felt really invested. When it starts to pull me out 1312 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.079 is I've learned this giant sword. I don't care for it. 1313 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.159 It's too slow. I think it's kind of heavy. They 1314 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.719 want me to use it to block, but it's just 1315 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.679 like not, it's not really my weapon of choice. I 1316 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.760 feel obligated to constantly pull it out every time I 1317 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.800 see someone with their two swords because it's the right 1318 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.639 sword that they've educated me to use. 1319 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.719 It's just not how I want to play. 1320 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:42.039 And I think sometimes the game is essentially being like, well, 1321 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.760 you're meant to use all of the weapons that were 1322 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:49.360 giving you. I would prefer to just master the weapon. 1323 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:53.719 I want a master. Yeah, it's my opposite of which 1324 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.440 obviously they give you. It's just funny we're talking about 1325 00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:56.800 hades too. 1326 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.039 We totally and how much we love it that we 1327 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:00.920 can make those all be your favorite. 1328 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.199 Yeah, and I like that Yota is making me switch. 1329 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.639 I know if for those who haven't played Sushima, June 1330 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.000 did not have a ton of weapons. He had basically 1331 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.320 a couple options, but he had different stances, so he 1332 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.559 had to use high stance against shields. He had different 1333 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.039 stances to take them on. But like I've started, it's 1334 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:22.960 almost like it's tough to talk about all the weapons 1335 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.119 and yota without spoiling because it actually is kind of 1336 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:27.599 they do stuff later on, you get some cool tools 1337 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:33.000 that I don't think they've shown in trailers and whatnot. Trailers. Sorry, 1338 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:37.519 but yeah, it works for me. But I see that 1339 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.320 especially because like you do get enough tools where you're 1340 01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:44.119 throwing kunai and then you're doing smoke bombs, and then 1341 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.920 you're doing the the ones that like kind of flash 1342 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.320 in their face, like flash bangs. You have a lot 1343 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.280 of tools, so I could see definitely wanting to just 1344 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:54.679 focus on the choreography of the fight rather than what 1345 01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.400 you have in your hand. That makes sense. 1346 01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.960 It's like a minor thing for me, and I think 1347 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.960 I'm gonna continue. I don't think it's gonna stop me 1348 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:05.440 from playing the game. I think for me though, I am. 1349 01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.079 I am playing this game because I'm interested in the story. 1350 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.639 I think the acting is really good. I think the 1351 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:15.159 voice acting is excellent. I think Eric she killed it. 1352 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.079 It's a really good performance. And as Dan said, like 1353 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:23.880 those cut scenes where there's like family drama, you're like 1354 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:26.719 meeting these new bad guys that are telling you they're 1355 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.800 gonna kill you. They're good, they make they make this 1356 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.360 a movie and that you get to play and run around. 1357 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.159 So I think it's beautiful. 1358 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.400 I do enjoy it. I wish I could just focus 1359 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.599 on one weapon. And I think the last thing I'll 1360 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:41.679 say is like, when it comes to like an RPG, 1361 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:43.039 you're just like a game where I feel like I 1362 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.639 should be immersed and really want to be this person personally. 1363 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.480 Get is stoked to be a samurai in this era 1364 01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.440 as I would like Red Dead Redemption era. 1365 01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.719 This is like such a minor things. 1366 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.239 I would do that too, But I think like in general, 1367 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.920 this isn't usually like the type of role play I 1368 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.079 want in a game, but I am allowing it because 1369 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.480 it's so damn beautiful and it's so immersive. I'm enjoying 1370 01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.440 it despite the fact that this is usually the type 1371 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.599 of game that I would I would pick. 1372 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.480 Yeah, the world, I'm loving it. 1373 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:23.519 I'm I think I'm twelve, fourteen, fifteen hours and something 1374 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:24.079 that maybe more. 1375 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.119 Someone said that it was twenty two to beat, and 1376 01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:27.960 then I saw someone reply to that and be like, 1377 01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:29.559 that's fucking bullshit, So. 1378 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.280 I have no idea how long to be said something 1379 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:33.519 like in the twenties, and I was like, are you 1380 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:36.280 kidding me? I just killed my second guy like yesterday, 1381 01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:37.159 and I've played a ton. 1382 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:37.519 Of this game. 1383 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:39.199 Maybe the other ones are weak as fuck. 1384 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:41.719 I was gonna say, but this game's designed to lure 1385 01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.159 you off the beaten path. Literally, there's a gold there's 1386 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.159 a bird that shows up, there's a fox that you 1387 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.280 like chase. It's it's just trying to pull you every 1388 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:48.880 which way and. 1389 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.000 I can't help but like follow all of that. Also, 1390 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.519 the fast travel being so easy and there's no load times. 1391 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.039 Oh, it's just like one of. 1392 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.880 The best quality of life things I've seen in an 1393 01:02:57.920 --> 01:02:59.840 open world game in a while, not only in so 1394 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.960 with the locations in villages, you click on the village 1395 01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:05.559 and then it brings up that radio. Not radio, it 1396 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:11.639 brings up that the row of icons you can pick. Yeah, 1397 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:12.239 it's awesome. 1398 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.559 I will do it with then, like I'm already in 1399 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.599 the fucking town. I'm buying maps from a dude, and 1400 01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.199 I'm like, I know I could probably find the Arrow 1401 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:21.360 Lady very quickly. 1402 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.639 But I will just warp to words because like I 1403 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:24.159 don't want to look around. Yeah, that's great. 1404 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:25.519 Yeah, it's it's amazing. 1405 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.760 It's the opposite of that Red Dead thing where it's like, no, 1406 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.599 you have to like you got to hike all the 1407 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.280 way back to game. 1408 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.360 You have to enjoy it because it's beautiful and we're 1409 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:34.280 going to raise the music ever so slightly when you 1410 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.639 ride your horse because you're in a movie. I think 1411 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.320 you can have it all with this game. I think 1412 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:40.119 it's a good example of the fact that you could 1413 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:42.239 have it all because it is beautiful to ride your 1414 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.280 horse and just enjoy. But if you just want to 1415 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.360 go to the taverns that you can cash in that 1416 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.599 money prize, then fucking fast travel, I go for it. 1417 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.199 It's not ashamed of being a video game in a 1418 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:56.559 way where it's like, you know, it's got those things 1419 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.000 where it's like if you want to sit down and 1420 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:00.320 make camp and like you can like set the options 1421 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:01.960 where it's like I'm gonna do the cooking mini game 1422 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:02.840 every time. 1423 01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:05.320 Music with a dude for like fifteen minutes. The other 1424 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.360 day we were like, you know, playing string instruments. I 1425 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:10.639 can give a ship you can waste. 1426 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:13.599 Yeah, it's like if you if you like that Red 1427 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.000 Dead two style of just like everything's gonna take a 1428 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.079 while and everything you can turn on things where it's like, yeah, 1429 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.320 everything is gonna be manual and I gotta make the 1430 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.440 fire every time and everything. But if you just want 1431 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.280 it to be a fucking video game, you can just 1432 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.440 set it to be, like, all right, I want the 1433 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.719 cooking thing some of the time or none of the time. 1434 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:33.000 And then when you're riding around on your horse you 1435 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.360 see a fucking crafting material, you don't have to. 1436 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:37.960 Hold on, buddy, I gotta get off and pick this 1437 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:44.239 flower and all right, body get back. Hey, you know 1438 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.000 know you just hit our two and you keep going. 1439 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:47.280 You don't even fucking slow down. 1440 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:49.599 Like I love that, love that you don't have to 1441 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:50.679 get off the horse to pick it. 1442 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:52.559 You get it. You get a fucking you get an 1443 01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:55.440 armor that like, like you get a percentage chance if 1444 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.960 you're riding through white flowers to pick up crafting materials. 1445 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.840 I want ship like that just be a video game, 1446 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:02.800 like you can be something and be a video game. 1447 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.159 Read That Too is one of my favorite games. But 1448 01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:08.880 I agree with everything you're saying. Yeah, even if Arthur 1449 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.239 is catching strays as they say, I don't. 1450 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.679 I mean, and I'm not as harsh on Readed two 1451 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.480 as I used to be, but that stuff still is 1452 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.039 just kind of like the reeks of the rock Star like, no, 1453 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.000 we've made art and you have to take it on 1454 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:20.519 our terms. 1455 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:21.920 It's like I hate that shit. 1456 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.960 Yeah yeah, I think it's a beautiful statement. Just to 1457 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:25.599 say it. 1458 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.800 It knows it's a video game. It kind of embraces 1459 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.360 that video game aesthetic of like, yeah you can fast travel, 1460 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.360 Yeah you can pick up stuff really quickly. Yeah you 1461 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.400 can craft super fast. But if you just want to 1462 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.760 sit and enjoy it, you can do that too. It 1463 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.880 lets you make that choice. And this game is so 1464 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:46.280 beautiful that you might find yourself riding your horse to 1465 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.400 the next area even if you can fast travel. And 1466 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.880 I have done that because it's pretty and I want 1467 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.599 to enjoy it. Also, I stumble across random shit I 1468 01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:56.639 stumbled across. There's so many people who want to kill me. 1469 01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.280 Every time I'm like going anywhere, there's some guy who's like, 1470 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.440 this town big enough for the two of us, and 1471 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.559 I'm you know, in these duels all the time. So 1472 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.960 I think it's it's a brilliant mesh of both worlds. 1473 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.960 Also, the most like made for photo mode game I've 1474 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:12.880 ever seen in my life. 1475 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:14.840 Crazy. 1476 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.119 I rarely ever messed with that, but there's just times 1477 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.000 in this game where it's like, good God, look at this, 1478 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.159 Like I'm just standing on a cliff overlooking like an ocean, 1479 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.920 and like there's lightning in the distance, and it's just like, yeah, 1480 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:25.880 I'm gonna take a photo of this. 1481 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:26.599 That's incredible. 1482 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.559 Yeah, a little remote corner of the world that you 1483 01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:30.079 didn't really need to go to. And there's like a 1484 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.719 shunk at Shrunken Shrine. There's a hole in the ground 1485 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.360 where some dudes poop in like you don't. It's so 1486 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:41.679 funny that zoom in enhance computer load upole please. 1487 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.400 Yeah, I like it tremendous. 1488 01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:51.679 Oh, last thing I'll say. I'm gonna start bringing this up. 1489 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.119 I know none of us have time to play older 1490 01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:55.159 games like Semi. 1491 01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:57.280 I play whole games all the time. 1492 01:06:57.440 --> 01:06:58.480 No no, no, no, not old. 1493 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.679 Okay, it's talked about it before. 1494 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:04.000 In another zone of not retro but current last. 1495 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:05.840 Like five years. I've said this before. 1496 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:07.239 What my like? 1497 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:09.360 You know how I think Blight Club you guys do 1498 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:11.320 it where or I don't know the rules. I don't 1499 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.000 watch Giant Bond stuff, But like, I think it's like 1500 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.039 you get to you eventually get to recommend a game 1501 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.480 that you think someone will like that they didn't play correct. 1502 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:21.360 We do. I think call Delight Club every once in 1503 01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.480 a while Delight Club or no, you're thinking of punishments. 1504 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:25.079 That's another thing. 1505 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.039 But yes, okay, yeah, punishment that's what it was. 1506 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:27.400 I knew. 1507 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.119 I liked it so so many stupid names. 1508 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:35.320 God, the great names. I we were talking about. 1509 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:36.320 Different PP hour. 1510 01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.159 Yeah, that's where we haven't launched that yet. Mary, I 1511 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.199 told you off stream Jesus Jay cut that. 1512 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.760 Jake Jay cut that they cut that. 1513 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:45.920 Ruined the announcement. 1514 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:50.719 We're talking about switching weapons you're talking about in this case, 1515 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.000 I'm talking about Star Wars Jedi Survivor. 1516 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:53.599 No. 1517 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:58.239 Yeah, that game got ripped at first for bad technical performance. 1518 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.280 I think people thought I had a slow beginning that game. 1519 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:02.920 I've we talked. I think it was like a year ago. 1520 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:04.360 I brought it up, and I'm like, I don't know if, 1521 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:07.079 like Dan you of all people, once you get into 1522 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.480 that game, it becomes so much like three D platforming focused. 1523 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:12.920 And then also you're just collecting a fuck ton of 1524 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.640 different lightsabers and you can actually do And I've stopped 1525 01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:18.800 being a Star Wars stand a long time ago. The 1526 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:22.239 Star Wars aspect of this game is so tertiary for me, 1527 01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.479 but you can master a weapon, and it's similarly, there 1528 01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.359 are certain times where they kind of want to push 1529 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.239 you toward one weapon, but they're not stopping you from 1530 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.640 using the base lightsaber, the dual wheel or the Darth 1531 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.479 Maul double blade sided. But like, that's that's the game. 1532 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.800 I keep telling people. I'm like, if you get like 1533 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:44.039 several weeks, which no one ever does when you don't 1534 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.600 have a new game to play, That's why I was saying, 1535 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.720 like it's tough to like slot In because it's not 1536 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.640 an old retro game and you can't make content around it. 1537 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:54.960 But like, but it's it's it's not brand new. I 1538 01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:56.840 just think Jedi is Star Wars Jedi Survivor. I want 1539 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.279 to start evangelizing it whatever I can, because I was 1540 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:03.680 so surprised. Also, tons of Zelda esque puzzles and like 1541 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.840 basically dungeons everywhere. I just that game rightfully got chastised 1542 01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:11.239 for a bad technical performance on PC right when it launched. 1543 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:12.560 I'm not disagreeing with that at all. 1544 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.479 I mean for me, it was like I remember it 1545 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.800 was running fine on my PC when it was about 1546 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.239 to come out, and it was it wasn't even so 1547 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:22.079 much that it was just slow. It's just that I 1548 01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:24.159 feel like, you know, I played like an hour of 1549 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.199 it or something, and every bit of it just seemed 1550 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.119 like every by the numbers triple A, just like here's 1551 01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:30.800 the bar of this happens, and here's the bar where 1552 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.640 I learned this, and here's the skill tree that doesn't 1553 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.840 really add anything that I haven't seen a million times before. 1554 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:36.560 Like I could be wrong, because I mean I played 1555 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.600 an hour of it, but the first hour so very 1556 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.399 much just spelt me like yep, paint by numbers triple A. 1557 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.720 Like it didn't didn't strike me as doing anything particularly interesting, 1558 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.479 you know, Yeah, no, yeah, the first the beginning of 1559 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.039 that game is not the greatest. And I'm always usually 1560 01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:54.840 the first one to say, like, if the game's not 1561 01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.199 good by five hours in, is it really a good game? 1562 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.279 But if anybody's looking for some play, which. 1563 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.479 You know what, I did write it down here because 1564 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.199 like I I liked a lot of that first game, 1565 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:08.640 and I didn't give it a full shot. 1566 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.199 I will say this though, the first game was trying, 1567 01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.479 way trying, to its detriment, to be a Frumsoft game. Sure, 1568 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.720 this game just went all out there, like, no, you 1569 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:19.439 know what, We're gonna put wall running in Prince of 1570 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:21.159 Persia kind of puzzles in. We're gonna do three D 1571 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.119 platform and we're gonna do way more puzzles, and we're 1572 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.680 gonna do just like you collect a new fucking like 1573 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.600 outfit every five seconds. Okay. I like it a lot. 1574 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.479 At some point, maybe the opportunity will arise to play it, 1575 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.119 but that's neither here nor there. What else besides let 1576 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:39.399 me pull up Dan, you've been playing some new stuff? 1577 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.199 Yeah, let me say, because we were talking about like, 1578 01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:43.880 you know, from stuff, talking about Yota and and you know, 1579 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.840 kind of combat focus melee focused games. I have been 1580 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:51.439 playing Ninja guid In four quite a bit, and that 1581 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.560 is the reason if you notice the episode went up 1582 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.760 late today, it's because the embargo just lifted. I didn't 1583 01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.560 know what to expect from this game. You know. I 1584 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.560 thought it was cool when I saw the reveal because 1585 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.520 it's like, oh man, J guy, and like, you know, 1586 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.199 we that was a huge one and like what four 1587 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:08.760 whatever when that first Xbox kind of comeback came out, 1588 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:11.399 and then it's kind of diminishing returns. Like two is 1589 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:13.720 a good game, you know, people didn't like it nearly 1590 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.560 as much as one, and then three kind of got 1591 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:16.920 shipped on all over the place. So it's like, and 1592 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.399 it's been a long time since three? 1593 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:19.520 When did three came out? 1594 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:20.520 Three? 1595 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.199 I want to say, was that like a Wii you excluded? 1596 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:23.439 No? 1597 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.239 Did a we you addition or something? 1598 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.560 Was re you always the protagonist before the. 1599 01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.319 Anys ones, they s ones and the Xbox One. 1600 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.239 Okay, I remember when I remember when he when that 1601 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:38.279 game first came out for the Xbox, I wasn't allowed 1602 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.359 to play it because well, I mean because it was 1603 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.680 purportedly violent, but also my mom was like, I'm not 1604 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:46.760 sure I left his outfit it was like tight fitting 1605 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.840 leather ninja. Really yeah yeah yeah, And she was she 1606 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:51.920 loved his outfit. 1607 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:53.079 Yeah too much? 1608 01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:55.000 Too much? Want to go? 1609 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:56.920 How hot is he? 1610 01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.640 She didn't want you to convert me when I was eight. 1611 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.119 It is better not awaken anything in me. He's interesting, 1612 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.199 like my straight straight son. 1613 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:13.000 You'll get you with a shirk. 1614 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:18.640 Those characters always had like a like wet charsk to 1615 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.159 you just cover a bedazzled look at this all day. 1616 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:23.520 Okay, all right, I'm a game. 1617 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:23.920 I'm a. 1618 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.359 Sorry Dan, I'm so sorry you were talking. You were 1619 01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:28.880 saying something. 1620 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.760 Uh yeah, Mary, it came out in twenty twelve, was 1621 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:33.119 the last one? 1622 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:37.279 Okay, Yeah. So that's why I say, like, when I 1623 01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.279 saw the trailer, I'm like, hell yeah, I like old 1624 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:40.560 things that I recognize. 1625 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.000 And then it's like, oh wait, what is this actual 1626 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:43.920 game going to be? 1627 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:48.600 Uh? And god damn if it isn't like one of 1628 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:52.000 the best Ninja guide in games it is, I would 1629 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.720 say like, I'm oh God, what am I like ten 1630 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:56.159 twelve hours in or something like that. 1631 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:58.840 I'm like six seven chapters or whatever. 1632 01:12:59.279 --> 01:12:59.399 Uh. 1633 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:01.680 I am enjoying this in a way. I don't remember 1634 01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:05.279 liking a Ninja Guiden since that Xbox one the first comeback, 1635 01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:08.279 and like I think, oh four, And it is cool 1636 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:11.399 because it makes me nostalgic for like the character action 1637 01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:13.960 games of the two thousands. You know, I'm thinking Devil 1638 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.920 May Cry. I am thinking, you know, those those Ninja 1639 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.560 Gaiden games where I have always really appreciated the from 1640 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.560 approach that has kind of taken over third person action 1641 01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.000 games in recent years. There are a lot of incredible 1642 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:28.920 games there, and From themselves do a lot of great 1643 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.760 things all during one of the best games of all time, 1644 01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:36.039 but I am nostalgic for the like you are crazy overpowered, 1645 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:39.720 flashy ass dude with melee weapons or and or guns 1646 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.359 and you're just getting a bunch of red orbs and 1647 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.439 getting more attacks and stuff like that, and like this 1648 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.880 is purely in that line, and like they have not 1649 01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.840 done anything to try to be like now it's like 1650 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.000 a from game because that's what's hot now, Like Nope, 1651 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.560 this is like if we just went from like Ninja 1652 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.960 Gaiden oh four and then you cry tenically froze everyone 1653 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.439 that made that game, and then another one. 1654 01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.159 Now it's like it's like that. 1655 01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.359 It's also there's a lot of like Metal Gear Revengeance 1656 01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:07.640 going on here, which I know a lot of fans 1657 01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:10.159 of that genre like love that game. So it's like, 1658 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.000 you know, very fast paced, just kind of like almost 1659 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:17.079 like auto parcouring over stuff and unbelievably fast combat, a 1660 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:21.560 like almost overwhelming amount of moves and combos and stuff 1661 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.039 to unlock. You know, you're just getting red orbs, buying stuff, 1662 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:29.520 huge crazy boss fights and everything. It's it knows what 1663 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.479 it's doing, it knows who is coming to this game. 1664 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:34.680 You know, fans of the originals, and like it is 1665 01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:38.479 violent in a way that I loved from the original ones. 1666 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.880 Like right away, it's like, do you want to enable 1667 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.039 or disable the emphasized dismemberment option? 1668 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:46.720 And that's enable, and it's like, okay, what about do 1669 01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:49.239 you do you want the bloodbath killed camera? Yes? 1670 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:51.439 I do. Yeah, it's like no, I'm not going to 1671 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.359 turn off the ball buster SlowMo. 1672 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:58.239 Yeah, Hitler's nuts came or whatever there for Yeah. Yeah, 1673 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:00.840 So like they they know their audience. Like there's not 1674 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.279 even like an opening cut scene, Like you just start 1675 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.640 and you're on a fucking train, which there's a lot 1676 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.279 of like train levels, and then you guide in history 1677 01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.680 and so it's like okay, yep, already in. Then you're 1678 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.000 on a train, bunch of dudes shooting at me with 1679 01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:15.319 guns and you're just slicing these motherfuckers up and they're 1680 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.039 just their parts and bits are just all over the 1681 01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.039 train floor. And I've always loved games where it's like 1682 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:23.399 the blood or the bodies or whatever kind of stay 1683 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.239 on the ground, and so it's like just chunks of 1684 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.800 bodies all over this train floor, and as it's rumbling around, 1685 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.399 like they have physics and so like it's just sliding 1686 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.920 around arms and heads and torsos as you're just bathing 1687 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:37.680 in the blood of all these fucking dudes and just 1688 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.640 dashing super fucking fast and throwing shirts kins and running 1689 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.920 off walls and like it's just fucking sweet. 1690 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:44.640 It's it's exactly what you want from this. 1691 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.279 And like when I talk about knowing the audience and everything, 1692 01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:48.960 like you know, anybody who play those old Ninja guid 1693 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.960 In games, especially that four one, it's like the Flying 1694 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.359 Swallow and the Azuna Drop where two that's the moves, 1695 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:56.960 Like the Flying Swallow is the one where you jump 1696 01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:58.520 and you hit wye in the air and you like 1697 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.039 dash in and like if you do it right, you 1698 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:01.920 can just like cut someone's head clean off. And the 1699 01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:03.960 Azuna Drop is this thing where you can like juggle 1700 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.520 a guy up in the air. You grab and you 1701 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:07.520 go upside down and you do this like spinning pile 1702 01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:10.119 driver into the ground. It's just fucking awesome. And everyone 1703 01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:12.000 to play those old games loves them, and it's like 1704 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.520 those are like right there to purchase early on. So 1705 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.119 it's like, Okay, I don't know how many, if any, 1706 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.399 of the people making this game were involved with those 1707 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.840 old games, but they sure as fuck played them and 1708 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:26.000 know what people like about them and understand it. So yeah, 1709 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:27.720 I don't know if there's any crossover. I really have 1710 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.319 no idea who the team is behind this. I don't 1711 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.760 know if they worked on Revengeance. I don't know if 1712 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:32.680 they worked on the old Ninja Guidance, but like they 1713 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:34.880 clearly understand. 1714 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:35.600 What was good about those games. 1715 01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.239 Yeah, it's it's extremely difficult, but it's fair. There's a 1716 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:42.520 lot of like accessibility options. You know, I'm just playing 1717 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:44.359 the Defaul difficulty, but it looks like there are a 1718 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.079 bunch of different options and things. But like it's a 1719 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:48.159 game where you get to a boss fight and I 1720 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.920 will just get my ass kicked ten times in a row, 1721 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.079 and I will just keep going back because it's like, 1722 01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:55.039 all right, I just need to learn these patterns more. 1723 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.520 I just need to like dodge better. You know. 1724 01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:59.119 It does some of that kind of like which time 1725 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.239 Bayanetta stuff. If you do a perfect dodge out of 1726 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.039 the way, you get like a moment of slow down 1727 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:04.840 or you can really just get in their ass afterwards. 1728 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:08.159 And it's just NonStop. It's NonStop action. And if you're 1729 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.239 not slicing someone up, you are grappling hook you know, 1730 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:13.600 a wall running. You know, you're you've got a hang 1731 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:15.800 glider thing that if there's the winds, you're flying between 1732 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:16.640 mountains and stuff. 1733 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:20.640 It's just NonStop action and uh, I love it. This 1734 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.039 is this is a game for me. And holy shit, 1735 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:24.520 this year with. 1736 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.000 Ninja Gaiden tune, Ninja Guiden games, a Shnoby game Yo 1737 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:29.840 tailor between like the year of the like you know 1738 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:31.960 Ninja Samurai, like this this year is. 1739 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.119 I mean, I think we're gonna have to discuss that 1740 01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:36.600 at some point, sooner rather than later. Like what's your 1741 01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:37.720 favorite Ninja game? 1742 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:39.720 Oh boy? 1743 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:42.039 I mean, like I haven't beaten this yet, but like 1744 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:47.239 Shnoby is probably I Looby's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's probably 1745 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:50.720 my number one right now. But this this has been 1746 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.199 killing it and I'm pretty deep into it, Like I 1747 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:55.600 I just can't wait, probably after this podcast keep playing. 1748 01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:57.199 I've playing it right before we went on the area. 1749 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:01.359 So I like that. And uh was it Ninja Guiden 1750 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:05.399 and Shanobi did that like Steam package those two together did? Yeah? 1751 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:08.560 Yeah, that was awesome. I thought, yeah, because I. 1752 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:10.279 Think you put it out there in a couple episodes ago. 1753 01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.279 It's like these two what the Sega and the Nintendo 1754 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:18.000 Origin Ninja games were kind of having a moment in 1755 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:21.439 the same year, and they decided to do this bundle together. 1756 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.279 It was a nice nice thing to see. 1757 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:26.880 Yeah, and like, this is so cool to me as 1758 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.000 like an old guy gamer who also very much is 1759 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.079 nostalgic for all this old franchises and stuff, like the 1760 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:36.720 fact that it's not just like slapping Ninja Guiden onto 1761 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:38.359 a thing and it's like, no, no, this is like, 1762 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:40.000 this is a Ninja guid This is what I would 1763 01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.960 want Ninja Guiden to be in twenty twenty five. It's 1764 01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:44.920 not just a nostalgia play. It works for that. 1765 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:48.159 But also if I'm fucking fifteen years old and I 1766 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:49.760 just want to play a cool Ninja game. I've never 1767 01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.119 heard of Ninja Giden before, there's no denying this is 1768 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:53.319 just a good fucking game. 1769 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:58.119 Yeah, yeah, I want to play that really badly. I 1770 01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.880 gotta play. I gotta go back to Shanoby. I mentioned 1771 01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:03.520 that I started Chinobi. I got like I got I 1772 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.600 don't know a few levels in however you want to 1773 01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.079 call levels in that game where it's kind of Metrovnia. 1774 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:11.840 But I loved it from what I saw. But they 1775 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:16.600 were adding so many new abilities and tools into my 1776 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:19.520 repertoire at such a rapid pace. I was like, I'm 1777 01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:22.359 I need to come back and restart this game once 1778 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.520 I've played finished Yota, because I just Yote grabbed me 1779 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:26.960 in a way that something hasn't in a while. 1780 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.479 So they do that here where it's like even for me, 1781 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.319 who like, by the way, I'm playing this in Yota 1782 01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.000 like concurrently, like in the same night, like this is 1783 01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.600 a three day weekend. I played both these games every day, 1784 01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.479 and it's like I have to remember all these things 1785 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:42.399 I'm unlocking and the combos for like both Atsu and 1786 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:44.439 uh A Ninja guid and for so it's kind of 1787 01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:44.840 been a lot. 1788 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:47.720 But Mary, you were bringing up how like in Yota. 1789 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.560 I think a complaint that I share about Yota is 1790 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.159 what you said about like I don't want to have 1791 01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:54.399 to like constantly think this rock paper sissor thing. I 1792 01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:55.479 just kind of want to be in the moment and 1793 01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.600 do the combat. This game. It gives you a million 1794 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.760 different combat options, and you know, I have a couple 1795 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.640 of different weapons right now where it's like I've got 1796 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:04.880 this like kind of spear thing that can expand into 1797 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.159 like this weird death umbrella, and then you have just 1798 01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:10.479 like your double sword thing and you're unlocking a shit 1799 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.800 ton of moves for both, but they will both get 1800 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.560 the job done. Like you get to just kind of 1801 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.920 choose in the moment where it's like, all right, well 1802 01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.159 this one kind of attacks a little faster, or this 1803 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:22.399 is better for groups. I guess I'll use this. But 1804 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.000 if you just fucking love the spear thing and you 1805 01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:27.079 want to put all your red orbs into upgrading that. 1806 01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.079 I haven't run into any enemies that like, oh, you 1807 01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:33.720 have to use the swords for this, so you can 1808 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:35.560 just kind of go with the thing that kind of 1809 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:36.479 speaks to you more. 1810 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:37.279 Than you can in the OTA. 1811 01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:38.479 I think that sounds nice. 1812 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:38.960 I mean I do. 1813 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:41.800 I do also like respect the idea of like, in 1814 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.399 this situation, you're really gonna want to use X, but 1815 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:48.399 it's like, ultimately, I usually fall in love with a system, 1816 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:50.960 and I want to be able to just enjoy my system. 1817 01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:54.079 So that sounds really cool. I don't think i've ever 1818 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:58.920 played this series before. Do you think like there's anything. 1819 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.960 That I'll miss in the story or understanding what's going on? 1820 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.239 Oh you're you're just aninja. 1821 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.640 How would you describe the world on Ninja Guiden, because 1822 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:07.359 like it's. 1823 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:10.039 You're a ninja in like modern times. 1824 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.000 You're a ninja. 1825 01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.680 Yes, you are a ninja, but yeah, not like it's 1826 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:20.640 like Industrial revolution in the first in the Xbox Revamp, 1827 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.840 wasn't it Industrial Revolution time? Like trains and steampunk kind 1828 01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:24.199 of things. 1829 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:25.960 There's like zeppelins and stuff. 1830 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:26.319 Yeah. 1831 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:28.520 I don't really know what the Industrial revolution is, but 1832 01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:28.840 it's like. 1833 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:32.840 There's buildings and like tanks and helicopters and you know, 1834 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.560 it's like there's modern technology. It feels like kind of 1835 01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:38.399 a modern ward like modern world. Like I don't know 1836 01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:40.960 if they say you're in Japan or you're in whatever, 1837 01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:43.000 but like it's buildings, it's tanks. 1838 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:50.439 It's cars, it's zeppelins, it's you know. Yeah. Cool, it's 1839 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:51.520 a very very fun game. 1840 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:52.600 I want to play it. 1841 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:54.239 There's so many things going on. 1842 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:55.520 I feel overwhelmed. 1843 01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:58.399 What is this character you're doing? 1844 01:21:58.880 --> 01:21:59.399 It's just me. 1845 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:00.680 I'm just complaining. 1846 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.479 It's what would you call it? What are they called 1847 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:05.680 first world problems? 1848 01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:07.439 Yeah, I mean that's all. Yeah. 1849 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.119 Yeah, Like I'm just complaining because. 1850 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.880 That's not like the Woodpecker thing. I understand that is 1851 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:19.319 not a real problem. I mean, it's a pain in 1852 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:19.640 the ass. 1853 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:24.800 But yeah, Mary, you we talked about Baby Steps on 1854 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.920 the last episode. Have you played much of it? How 1855 01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:28.640 far have you gotten? 1856 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:34.119 I did, Uh, I've quit and I didn't like this, 1857 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:38.359 and I wanted to tell you I felt like that's 1858 01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.640 how you guys would feel. I've liked his previous games, 1859 01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:45.239 and I got really into getting over it with Bennett Foddy. 1860 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.760 I thought that was a really lighthearted and cheeky way 1861 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:52.800 to kind of push players into maybe like a bit 1862 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:58.159 of like a frustration, but it's so rewarding when you're 1863 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.479 able to kind of get through it. It's also narration 1864 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:05.800 is very cheeky, and I I really appreciated that original game. 1865 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:11.079 I think I played six hours of Baby Steps. It 1866 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.239 is so frustrating even from the beginning, and at no 1867 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:18.079 point did I feel like I had mastered walking. I 1868 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.960 never felt like the game wanted me to get good 1869 01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:26.279 at anything, and really reveled in Falling. I think the 1870 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.039 thing that really fucking chapped my ass, like the reason 1871 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:30.560 where I was like finally like all right, fuck this 1872 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.279 game is that. Pretty early on I came across this 1873 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.800 like super cute duckling and it followed me around, and 1874 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:38.159 so I wanted to keep this. 1875 01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:39.880 Did you guys get the duck? 1876 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.920 I have not played the game. I have no plan 1877 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:43.479 to play that game. 1878 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:47.399 If you stumble across a barn, you'll find a couple 1879 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:49.960 animals in the barn, including a baby duckling, and the 1880 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.880 baby duckling will follow you in the game. 1881 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:58.239 And I kind of thought that maybe it was challenge 1882 01:23:58.439 --> 01:23:59.680 for me to try and get through this. 1883 01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:04.840 Game with this duckling. It's cute, it can't travel in 1884 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:06.920 every way that I can, and so I had to 1885 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.640 like make accommodations to the path that I picked that 1886 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:13.239 the baby duck could join me. It just got to 1887 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:17.399 a cruel area where like the steps that I was taking, 1888 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.319 the baby duck couldn't jump. So I had to decide 1889 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:24.199 to abandon the baby duck or you know, keep going. 1890 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.279 There was, in my opinion, no path forward that I 1891 01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:30.239 could find that I could save this cute little baby 1892 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:33.439 duck and continue on my journey. It felt punishing for 1893 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:38.319 punishing's sake, and I was at no point actually was 1894 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:41.800 I like, oh this is funny and cheeky and enjoyable. 1895 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:46.560 It is a miserable game to play, and I can't 1896 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:48.720 believe that they designed it as such that they want 1897 01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:53.560 you to be miserable while you watch this sad chunky 1898 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:58.880 cheese it boy not want to receive any help or 1899 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:01.199 benefits from the game, and he can't even help this 1900 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:05.399 baby duck that like wants to follow him and get joy. 1901 01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:07.760 It's just it's just a miserable experience. 1902 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:11.079 I'm with you, Like, I think the writing is great, 1903 01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:13.239 Like obviously there's like a metaphor they're going forward that 1904 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:15.600 I'm sure is brilliant or whatever, but it's like. 1905 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:16.079 I. 1906 01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:20.800 I just got to a point where it's like I 1907 01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:22.640 love the idea of like, you know, a quop like 1908 01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:25.159 weird physics bullshit games and stuff like that. Like I 1909 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.159 think that's really funny. And so I thought I was 1910 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.039 gonna love this, and I got to the first part 1911 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:31.560 where it's like I kind of went up this mountain 1912 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.800 and i'd go across this kind of like rocky river thing, 1913 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:37.880 and I slipped on a rock and my guy fell 1914 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.760 down like a while, and I was like, Aha. 1915 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.039 That's funny. And then it was like it didn't. 1916 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:44.600 I thought it was gonna checkpoint and like send me 1917 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:46.840 back up or whatever, and it didn't, and every thinking 1918 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:48.319 it was just such a while, like oh my god, 1919 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:50.920 I just lost like ten or fifteen minutes of progress 1920 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:53.159 that I like saved the clip when we're like, oh, 1921 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.359 when the barber's up, people aren't gonna believe how much 1922 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:58.199 progress I lost here. And then I found out, like 1923 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.920 the day of release, how much people are falling down 1924 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:04.159 entire mountains and losing like an hour of progress. I'm like, oh, 1925 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:07.640 that's just what the fucking game is. So literally, when 1926 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:09.560 I lost that ten or fifteen minutes of progress and 1927 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.239 it didn't check point, it didn't send me back up, 1928 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.239 I was like, all right, well, I guess I never 1929 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:13.880 playing this again. 1930 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.159 That's fine, you know I cannot wait. 1931 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:17.560 Yeah, I'm never playing that game again. 1932 01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:20.079 Go ahead, Yeah no, no, I said this last time. 1933 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:22.880 And I have to like kind of like check myself, 1934 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.520 because who am I to judge other people for how 1935 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:31.720 they spend their time and what they find the experiences 1936 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:34.640 that they find to be worth time investment. I don't know. 1937 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:37.000 I'm into stuff that no one else gives a shit about, 1938 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.479 Like who the fuck else? Like, I'm sure people would 1939 01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:42.000 look at the amount of time and money I've spent, 1940 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:45.279 like studying wine, it'd be like, that's fucking ridiculous. I 1941 01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:47.840 get that not everything is going to be for everybody. 1942 01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:51.319 I cannot I just can't put myself in a place 1943 01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:54.319 where that kind of game feels like a good no 1944 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.000 use of time for me. But I also know that 1945 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:58.439 there are a lot of people who are like they're 1946 01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:05.159 into the masochism of that and that is rewarding to 1947 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.199 them when they finally reach the top of the mountain 1948 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.119 or whatever it is. And I do like the idea 1949 01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:13.000 that there is that spiral staircase that's supposedly easy, like 1950 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:13.840 you could do it if you. 1951 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:15.720 Will man break her. The big thing, Like that's the 1952 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.279 thing is like it is a good spectator sport. Like 1953 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.239 grubbed something about this game. Yeah, but something about this 1954 01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:24.720 even without the streaming aspect, you know, talking to Grub 1955 01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:26.560 about this game and here I'm talking about on the BombCast, 1956 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.159 He's like it really spoke to him in a way 1957 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:31.359 that like I'm prepared for him to like push for 1958 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:33.119 it to be high up on Game of the Year 1959 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.359 this year, and like it really resonates with some people 1960 01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:39.119 and it really doesn't with others. And like I think 1961 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:42.520 I can it is super not for me, but I 1962 01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:45.199 think I understand it more than I did. Like when 1963 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:47.039 I was initially turned off by like a red Dead 1964 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:49.159 or or death straining, was like how could anyone like this? 1965 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.800 You know, I think with baby steps, like I kind 1966 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:53.600 of get it, and it clearly does have some kind 1967 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:55.600 of metaphor where it's like here's the stairs and stuff, 1968 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:57.680 and like watching Grub, like you know, he was like 1969 01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.840 several mornings in a row streaming on Giant Bomb of 1970 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:02.439 going after the man Breaker, and like I would tune in, 1971 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:04.399 I would just have him on, like it got tense 1972 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.079 where it's like he gets near the top and then 1973 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:07.800 he slips and he falls. He's all the way to 1974 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:10.199 the bottom the way, Okay, we'll be back tomorrow with it. 1975 01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.039 It's like it could not be me. I could not 1976 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:14.920 fucking do that. But like I do kind of respect, 1977 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.720 I don't know that the maniacs that are just gonna 1978 01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:18.399 keep going at it. 1979 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.800 To Mary's point, though, is Grub playing it off stream 1980 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:21.079 at all? 1981 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.600 I mean he certainly has at times, and I think 1982 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:26.479 when he got to the man Breaker, I think he 1983 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:29.119 was like, this is gonna be my like every morning, I'm. 1984 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:32.119 Gonna you want you want the lore, you want the people, 1985 01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:33.199 and I think. 1986 01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:36.439 Yeah, like I get and like body in games have 1987 01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:39.079 all like Getting Over It, Yes, for sure, and there 1988 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:42.560 are games many many games have gone viral Repo, Lethal 1989 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:47.640 Company Chain together, Pasmophobia would not be near only would 1990 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:50.840 not be nearly as big if it wasn't for king yeah, 1991 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.399 like these. 1992 01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:56.359 Are games for for psychopaths who just want to get 1993 01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:00.880 through incredible even uh like honestly, even Silk Song to 1994 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.199 a degree like these later areas are so miserably difficult. 1995 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.880 I am like, oh my god, I don't know how 1996 01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:09.640 I could do this. But when you have a crowd 1997 01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:12.159 cheering you on and they're like, this is impossible. I 1998 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:14.880 could never spend my time doing this. I will watch 1999 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:17.720 this person who's dedicated way too much time playing this 2000 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.239 game to beat this. There is a system for this. 2001 01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:23.439 Here's why I don't fucking like baby steps in all 2002 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:26.840 these other games, including Getting Over It. Every example, you 2003 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:30.279 guys have said you're learning tactically how to get better 2004 01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:33.279 at the basic mechanics of the game. So that's so 2005 01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:35.920 the beginning area actually is kind of like a cakewalk 2006 01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:37.520 at some point, right, Like you're just kind of like 2007 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:41.359 you've memori you've brute memorized it, you understand mechanically how 2008 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:43.560 to get through it. Haites is such a good example, 2009 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:45.680 Like you remember, like you talking about the sirens and 2010 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:47.560 you're like, I don't even think about the sirens anymore. 2011 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.359 I don't even give a shit about those sirens. I 2012 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:52.680 just breeze through them in baby steps. Even the beginning 2013 01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:56.880 areas are fucking miserable. It is miserable to walk in 2014 01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.840 that game. They made the basic mechanics not on for 2015 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:03.920 me to play, so I can't actually get better at 2016 01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:06.159 this game. And that's what pisses me off about this, 2017 01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.479 Like if they mechanically made it so that it's like, yeah, 2018 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:11.840 I'm like so good at walking now that this is 2019 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.640 a joke to me, But I actually think, like it's 2020 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.560 gonna just be painful to walk in that game forevermore. 2021 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:20.239 That's what they wanted to make. They were very successful 2022 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:23.359 at making that. Congratulations for making that. I don't want 2023 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:23.720 to play it. 2024 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:25.840 Yeah, I think they made exactly the game they wanted 2025 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:27.399 to make. Yeah, I don't think it was an acting. 2026 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:29.960 I don't they failed. I think they succeeded. 2027 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.479 And it seems very clearly not for us, but it 2028 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:36.199 is very clearly for some other people, and so I 2029 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:38.560 guess good on them, it was a success. I just 2030 01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:40.560 I have no interest in playing it further. 2031 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.039 Yeah, I'm not even like I'm over it. 2032 01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:46.319 Like I like, I look forward to their next Psycho 2033 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.479 game that I think other people will enjoy, and I 2034 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.039 appreciate that, but I yeah, I'm so over it. I'm like, 2035 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:57.720 I I will not play that game again. I also 2036 01:30:57.800 --> 01:30:59.880 didn't like the story. Did you say you liked the story? Dan, 2037 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:04.279 I do not like that story A guy in video games, Yeah, 2038 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:04.640 I love. 2039 01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:08.720 They were just drawing of the Cheeto boy. 2040 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:10.680 If you're just a drawing of the Cheeto boy with 2041 01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:12.800 a paragraphic text, I think that's how you do storytelling. 2042 01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.720 Yeah, yeah, simple m hm. 2043 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:20.439 Speaking of cheetos, Dan, you played Consume Me? 2044 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:23.760 Yeah, this is boy. This is the type of Have 2045 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:26.079 you guys heard of this? Yeah? I guess I don't know. 2046 01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:26.800 I want jay leno. 2047 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.840 Have you seen this? Weird about this? It's this guy, 2048 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:35.279 this guy, this guy, uh he he he's got shakes, 2049 01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:38.920 baby steps up a mountain. I actually have not seen 2050 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:40.640 enough leto ever to do it good. 2051 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:42.439 You've had a better life for it. You know, he's 2052 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.560 he sucks as a person and a comedian. 2053 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.600 Well he was a good standing meeting, but he's anyway. 2054 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:51.680 Consume Me is the type of game that like. 2055 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:55.520 I would have never gravitated towards or tried really and 2056 01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:58.520 this is very much, uh you know, a bonk influence here, 2057 01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.239 which I always appreciate because she is, you know, over 2058 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:03.039 ten years, introduced me to a lot of things that 2059 01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:05.640 I would not have normally tried or been interested in, 2060 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.800 and I think I've bettered as a person for it. 2061 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:11.319 So this is one that she started playing was that. 2062 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:19.439 Felt for literally everyone by saying we agree, Yeah, yeah. 2063 01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:22.279 You both knew me pre bunked every day. 2064 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:28.880 So she, uh, she brought this up to me, and 2065 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:30.840 I knew, like this was like all I knew about 2066 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:31.680 it was that it was like, you know, one of 2067 01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:35.000 those like empathy games where it was about eating disorders 2068 01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:38.920 and you know, disordered eating. And I, you know, I 2069 01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:42.000 respect the things like you know, Depression Quest or you know, 2070 01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:45.359 Papers Please and things like that you know exist, It's 2071 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:46.920 just never been really the things that draw me to 2072 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:48.720 video games. So like, you know, I'm not going to 2073 01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:50.600 be liked fuck this game, but like it's just I 2074 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:54.800 don't play them really, but this is something like disordered 2075 01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:56.600 eating is something I learned a lot about when I'm 2076 01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:58.239 at Bank, because like that's one of the first things 2077 01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.239 she told me is that, like she really struck with 2078 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:03.000 anorexia and disordered eating prior to meeting me. 2079 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:06.039 You know, she was like really really struggling with that 2080 01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:06.920 in a very major way. 2081 01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:08.800 And it was a thing that like I had never 2082 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:12.880 thought about disordered eating or antarexia or anything beforehand. I 2083 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:17.000 heard of it, didn't really know anything about it, but yeah, 2084 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.079 I learned so much when I met her, and you know, 2085 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:21.520 I wanted to learn more about it because something she 2086 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:25.399 struggled with and I've read like Porsadarossi's book from Arrest 2087 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:27.119 of Development and like learned about like oh, okay, this 2088 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:29.600 isn't just a like you know, I always think about 2089 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.479 how like with anxiety, if you talk to a lot 2090 01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:34.199 of people that don't have anxiety, Yeah, their first impressions 2091 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:35.560 like just chill out, what are you worried about? 2092 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:37.640 And it's like that's not outworks, and like yeah. 2093 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:40.840 It's like super dismissive of like a oh god, you 2094 01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:44.800 told me that, sure, Like oh, have you tried militonin 2095 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:46.720 I'm like yeah, But the thing is. 2096 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:48.720 It does come from a lot of people that think 2097 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:50.800 they are just like they're not trying to come from 2098 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:51.359 a bad place. 2099 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:53.079 They're just like you've got nothing to worry about it. 2100 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:54.279 It's like, you know, you just don't get it. You 2101 01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:56.560 just don't really understand what anxiety is. Not that I 2102 01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:58.720 would expect someone to do whatever, you know, but like 2103 01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:01.720 you know, I think with annaxia, and there's probably a 2104 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.479 ton of people that have that same dismissiveness. Cheezberg, what's 2105 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:06.119 the deal, You're not fat? It's just like no, it's 2106 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:09.000 just like I learned so much in the early times 2107 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:10.680 that at Daton Bond can read those books and stuff that, 2108 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:13.000 like it's just about the control and like this is 2109 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:14.600 part of your life you can control and the calories 2110 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:17.239 and and calories out and you know, just a body 2111 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:19.560 dysmorphia and things like that, learning about all these things 2112 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:21.800 that I've never experienced. And so anyway, that's a long 2113 01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:25.039 walk to get to. This is a game that does 2114 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.279 tackle that from someone who has struggled with it, and 2115 01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:31.680 it is like a semi autobiographical telling of. 2116 01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:33.960 This girl, Like I don't know what grade she's supposed 2117 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:34.039 to be. 2118 01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:36.840 It's clearly like a junior high high school type age, 2119 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:41.560 and it is via many games like almost like Warriorwaar 2120 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:46.199 style minigames telling the story of this girl trying to 2121 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:51.199 like figure out how to manage her like calorie intake 2122 01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:54.039 while still getting all these other parts of her life 2123 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:59.800 under control. So like you literally have meters for like diet, athletics, academics, chores, 2124 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:02.319 and you have a certain amount of like time basically 2125 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:04.439 during the day day that you can do things. And 2126 01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:07.800 so you know, if you there's an eating mini game 2127 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:09.680 that's almost like a Tetris, it's almost like a reisdon 2128 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.039 Evil like inventory situation, and if you eat too much, 2129 01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:15.159 then it's like, oh god, I'm over my calorie limit. 2130 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.000 Or they call them bytes in the game, you know, 2131 01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:18.359 like they try to avoid and may kind of like 2132 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.920 triggering like specific calories and stuff like that. So you know, oh, 2133 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.920 I'm over five hundred bytes for today. So I could 2134 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.359 study for this upcoming test that my mom's yelling me about, 2135 01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:31.920 or I could do chores to try to earn money 2136 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:34.359 for a swim suit because there's this beach party coming 2137 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.920 up and I want to impress this boy. But I'm 2138 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:38.840 at five hundred and twenty three bites and I need 2139 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:40.760 to be under five hundred, so I should probably take 2140 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.279 this time slot in the evening and work out, and 2141 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.079 everything's going to be a mini game, and the minigames 2142 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:49.760 are fun. It's like it's actually like it's like it's weird, 2143 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.479 how like the dissonance between it's like a very jaunty 2144 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:55.640 like silly game, like visually and the music and everything 2145 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:58.079 and the minigames themselves are really wacky. But then there's 2146 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.880 like this underlying kind of like darkness to the disorder 2147 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.479 and everything that they get across. 2148 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:03.920 So it really. 2149 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:07.319 Illustrates it extremely well via a game of just like 2150 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.920 how much this thinking in this disorder can kind of 2151 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:13.399 take over your day to day life where it's like, man, 2152 01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:14.880 I do have all this stuff I need to do, 2153 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.439 but I'm so fixated on staying under this calorie limit 2154 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:21.720 and things like that that like, oh shit, I didn't 2155 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:24.479 do the laundry cleaning mini game this week because I 2156 01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:25.800 was too busy trying to stay under. 2157 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:26.199 My calorie limit. 2158 01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:27.239 So oops. 2159 01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:30.279 Between class and this thing a bus, there's a little 2160 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:32.760 viniet that plays of a bus splashing you, and your 2161 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:35.439 clothes are dirty and you can't change because you don't 2162 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.359 have any clean clothes. You didn't do that minigame that week, 2163 01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:40.039 so it's like then your mood, Like there's these meters 2164 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:42.520 for like mood and gut and you know stuff like that. 2165 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:44.399 It's like, oh, your mood goes down because now you're 2166 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.720 walking around in shitty, you know, dirty clothes and stuff 2167 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:48.840 like that because you spent all your free time, you know, 2168 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.039 trying to work off twenty calories or something like that. 2169 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:55.359 So it is just like it's a really really well done. 2170 01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:56.920 Like I haven't played a ton of games like these, 2171 01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.359 but I think even someone who hasn't like ever had 2172 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:02.000 someone in their life that to struggle with this stuff, 2173 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:04.239 I think it does a pretty tremendous job of like 2174 01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:06.840 oh I never really you know, thought about it like this, 2175 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:10.119 and uh, while still remaining like an actual Like it's 2176 01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:11.840 weird to call it like a fun game, but it's 2177 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:14.920 like the systems work, the minigames are fun. It's like 2178 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:17.119 one of the minigames like if you if you choose 2179 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:18.840 to like I'm gonna study because you know, like your 2180 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:20.359 mom will come in and be like, oh, you're gonna 2181 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:21.800 get a shitty grade on this. It's like, oh shit, 2182 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:24.960 I should level up my academics, so you'll do like 2183 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:28.199 the studying minigame. And so the studying minigame is like 2184 01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:30.239 there's a book in front of you and your head's 2185 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:32.560 just rotating around and you need to like whenever your 2186 01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:34.439 ConA vision is over the book, you need to jam 2187 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.079 on a to kind of keep it there. 2188 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:38.640 But there are like these thought bubbles that. 2189 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:40.159 Come in, and the thoughts will be like your mom 2190 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:42.720 yelling at you the scale, you know, the boy you 2191 01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:44.439 have a crush on or whatever, and if the cone 2192 01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:46.279 hits that, it reverses. So you got kind of like 2193 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:48.239 feather the a button to kind of keep it on 2194 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:50.479 the book. While all these other thoughts are like it's 2195 01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:52.279 just it all kind of works together really well, Like 2196 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.840 it's very gamified, but they all it's all in service 2197 01:37:55.960 --> 01:38:00.680 of the message it's doing. So yeah, I haven't beaten 2198 01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:03.119 it or anything. I've played a decent amount of it, 2199 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:06.119 but like it just seems to really do a great 2200 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:10.439 job of exactly gamifying kind of a message. And and 2201 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:12.880 you know, the empathy for the situation that we might 2202 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.760 not all have so really really worth checking out. 2203 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:17.720 I think, yeah, I appreciate it. That's great because like 2204 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:23.000 the that's also is like probably a good follow up 2205 01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:25.600 to the conversation about Baby Steps, a game that I 2206 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:28.159 just really don't want to fucking play. Maybe there's some 2207 01:38:28.359 --> 01:38:34.279 mindset that Baby Steps is conveying that they're going forward 2208 01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:36.800 with that type of gameplay, that it's trying to convey 2209 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:38.359 a story that I'm just not aware of. That's the 2210 01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:38.760 time thing. 2211 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.600 It's about depression or something, or like not being able 2212 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:42.720 to do your life in order. 2213 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:47.880 But like, yeah, but consume me. Yeah, I want to 2214 01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:49.359 at least just like put that out there that I'm 2215 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.199 sure there's some like something going on there, but no 2216 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:55.399 consume me. I've heard good things from several people that's 2217 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:57.760 saying I should try it out because it's a yeah, 2218 01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:00.279 I played like that Dragon Cancer back in the day 2219 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:04.279 playing games like that that, you know. I I love 2220 01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:08.960 when games can can tell a story that way. I'm 2221 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:12.239 trying to remember. God, there's something on a tip of 2222 01:39:12.319 --> 01:39:14.560 my tongue where it's like it's a systemic kind of 2223 01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.279 storytelling and you don't really realize what it's doing until 2224 01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:20.399 all of a sudden the actual rules change and like, 2225 01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:23.199 oh shit, it's papers please. Like papers please is a 2226 01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:25.920 good example. But there's something I'm I'm missing, But it's 2227 01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:29.239 that idea where you get so into the gamification of 2228 01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:32.199 it you don't realize that that's that is the story, 2229 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:35.239 and then by the time it like shit falls apart 2230 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:37.840 all of a sudden, like to your point, I can't 2231 01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:39.640 I don't have clean laundry. Now it's like, oh, I 2232 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:41.680 didn't realize what they were building to exact. 2233 01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:44.800 And like, especially if you I think it's almost more 2234 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.680 effective if you have not dealt with the issue, because 2235 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:49.279 you know, like I asked Boncle she was playing. I 2236 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:50.560 was like, did you feel like this is like an 2237 01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:52.439 accurate rate? And she's like, oh my god, absolutely, this 2238 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:55.239 is resonating. But like if you don't, like she's felt 2239 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.159 all that stuff before, I think for those that haven't 2240 01:39:57.159 --> 01:39:59.479 struggled with it, it's eye opening and that like the 2241 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:01.920 same way that depression quest. You know, I've never had depression, 2242 01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:04.119 and there was this stuff where it's I would ask 2243 01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:06.199 you a question where it's like, oh, it's Friday night, 2244 01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:08.239 what are you doing? And it's gould be multiple choice, 2245 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:09.439 like you know, go to a party with your friend, 2246 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:10.960 or go do this thing or this, and like you 2247 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:12.880 would pick, I'm gonna pick go to a party with 2248 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.239 my friend and then it crosses out like in real time, 2249 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:18.560 and it's like, oh nope, you know, you just like 2250 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.560 totally flake on your friends and you just felt like 2251 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:21.960 you couldn't get out of the couch or whatever, and 2252 01:40:22.039 --> 01:40:23.600 like that was kind of eye opening. It was like, 2253 01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:25.399 oh wow, this idea of like you know, like, oh 2254 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:27.199 I can't get out of this bed, and it kind 2255 01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:29.840 of explains why that's difficulties, you know. 2256 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:32.840 It's it's yeah, I remember what game it was now 2257 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:35.600 and it's not the same type of game. It's what 2258 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:38.640 remains of eith Finch had certain aspects of that, where 2259 01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:42.359 obviously what remains VII Finch is more you know, walking simulator, 2260 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:45.960 gone home adjacent Firewatch kind of game. But sure, there 2261 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.239 was that one set everybody goes to the rapture but 2262 01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.920 good exactly, And there's that one sequence where the sun 2263 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.800 and like the everybody in this family just dies young 2264 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:57.600 of mysterious causes. The sun is at the fish factory, 2265 01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:01.039 thank God for the hatchery, and he guiding the fish 2266 01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:05.319 through the you're basically separating fish. But then your daydreamings 2267 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:07.159 start to take over more and more. The way that 2268 01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:10.039 they tell that story it's just the most show don't 2269 01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:14.079 tell us storytelling that I fucking love, I love and 2270 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.560 stuff does that. So I should put this on my 2271 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:16.000 list too. 2272 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:18.359 It's yeah, I think it's a really cool game. 2273 01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:22.439 I just saw that this. 2274 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:28.039 One the IGF Samus McNally Grand Prize, which Papers Please 2275 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.760 also won. So this is like a It's obviously indicative 2276 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:34.800 of something that is a great way to teach the 2277 01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:39.720 player something that's bigger than the mini games with the gameplay. 2278 01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:40.640 Itself, but about life. 2279 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:46.039 I resonate a lot with learning about others through media 2280 01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.840 and understanding what different disorders are, and so I appreciate 2281 01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:51.319 you sharing the book that you read. I just wanted 2282 01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:56.359 to throw out another that's really worth reading for anyone 2283 01:41:56.399 --> 01:42:00.840 who's like interested in understanding a little bit more about 2284 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.039 disordered eating, but maybe in a light way that won't 2285 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:07.199 like stress you out. I'm glad My Mom Died is 2286 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:10.680 one of the best books about this subject and other 2287 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:12.359 subjects I've ever read. 2288 01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:14.119 It's so freaking good. 2289 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.279 I think it's it's written by a child Disney star 2290 01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:20.560 Jeanette McCurdy. 2291 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:21.680 She was on I Carly. 2292 01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:24.079 I don't know if you guys grew up watching I Carle, 2293 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:27.520 but I didn't it was I Carlely is so good. 2294 01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:31.079 But one of the little the girls who like grew 2295 01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:34.000 up doing the show. She wrote a book called I'm 2296 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.680 Glad My Mom Died and it is so damn good. 2297 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:39.720 I wonder if Bunk would like it. But it's it 2298 01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:41.680 kind of touches on a lot of this stuff, and 2299 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:43.560 a lot of it's really similar about like how the 2300 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:46.119 mom is like you need to practice more. How many 2301 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:48.039 calories have you had today? And it's a lot of 2302 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:50.039 it is learned, right, It's a learned trade as a 2303 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:51.159 child that you have to. 2304 01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:51.680 Live with now. 2305 01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:54.479 And that is very much like again a show don't tell, 2306 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:56.079 Like I mean, the mom is a character in this 2307 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:57.680 game where she will show up and just kind of 2308 01:42:57.720 --> 01:42:59.760 like give you shit for something, and you just kind 2309 01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:02.439 of like see how that impacts the character, like not 2310 01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:05.600 through a long cut Sander dialog box or anything, but 2311 01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:08.119 just like the way, oh that thought bubble of the 2312 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:10.199 mom pops up and distracts you from the mini game, 2313 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:12.119 It's like, oh, it's just kind of like an elegant 2314 01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:13.920 way of getting that message across. 2315 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.439 Yeah, good on the developer for having the guts to 2316 01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:18.319 put her in there. It takes a lot of guts 2317 01:43:18.399 --> 01:43:23.600 to share, uh, you know, a personal issue with depressive depression, 2318 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.760 disordered eating anything like that's really hard to put that 2319 01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:27.279 in a game. 2320 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.279 But also to be like my mom was. 2321 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:31.520 A huge bitch to me all the time is like 2322 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:33.840 the icing on the cake of like, good for you 2323 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:36.079 to put in your trauma out there, because that's gonna. 2324 01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:36.960 Help a lot of fucking people. 2325 01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:40.119 My way of coping with that with my father was 2326 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:42.000 just putting him in front of a microphone for fifteen 2327 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:43.319 years and letting people figure it out. O. 2328 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.840 Yes, this is why I'm fucked up. 2329 01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:49.279 I didn't have to spell it out. Just talk dad, 2330 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:52.680 y all love. 2331 01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:55.399 You, d Yeah yeah, take the take the stress out 2332 01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:56.720 of explaining you to people. 2333 01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:01.359 Yeah yeah h they'll figure it out. Consume me, check 2334 01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:03.479 it out. I really really it does a great job. 2335 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:07.119 Yeah yeah, thanks for sharing this, Uh, Mary, I think 2336 01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:10.399 you both played clover Pit correct. Yes. Yeah. 2337 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:12.960 I don't know if Dan you feel like the way 2338 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:13.680 I feel. 2339 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:15.279 About it, but I like it. 2340 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:17.479 It's good. 2341 01:44:18.279 --> 01:44:20.279 It is good. I have thoughts about it because I 2342 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:21.600 think a lot of people are going to compare it 2343 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:26.479 to blotro understandably. Oh you know, it's just like it's 2344 01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:28.680 that like oh, instead of like you know, tweaking, like, oh, 2345 01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:31.000 I can make the three of a kind the most 2346 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.359 powerful thing. I'm going to make clovers the most powerful 2347 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:36.119 thing for those Sorry, we're jumping right into it. 2348 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:38.279 And Mary, do you want to like explain kind of 2349 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:38.760 what the game is? 2350 01:44:38.880 --> 01:44:44.960 Sure, this is a game about uh gambling, and you 2351 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:48.720 have to make enough money or the game kills you. 2352 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:52.439 That just means game over. But it like throws you 2353 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.920 into a death pit. And so you're putting money into 2354 01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:58.640 the machine. You're trying to gamble to make enough money, 2355 01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:01.840 but you have to vest in these I think they 2356 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:06.720 are like cards or tokens. Essentially, these items arms build 2357 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:10.439 a better deck essentially that way, maybe like if you 2358 01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:12.840 get lemons, lemons are worth twice as much. You have 2359 01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:15.680 a button that makes lemons most more likely to appear. 2360 01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:17.920 Thus you're more likely to get five lemons in a 2361 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:21.800 row and make your quota and live. The whole thing 2362 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:24.640 is kind of surrounded in an air of like death. 2363 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:27.279 You're like in some kind of dungeon. It looks pretty 2364 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:31.880 dastardly and sad down there, and there's like lots of horps. 2365 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:34.399 It's like a torture chamber, and there's like corpse parts 2366 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:36.680 and stuff in there, dark and evil, and there's. 2367 01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:38.840 Like lots of secrets and stuff. I use to use 2368 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.079 the bathroom. If you use the bathroom, yeah, you take 2369 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.399 a shit and then you get a token that's like 2370 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:49.760 everything that's like a brown item is worth more, right, Yeah, 2371 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:53.319 if you pee, everything that's yellow is worth more. Things 2372 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:55.520 like that. I mean, it's that's it. That's that's the 2373 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:58.840 core mechanic. And so you're choosing the right totems, which 2374 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:02.640 cost tickets. By the way, that's kind of an early 2375 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:05.239 mechanic that it teaches you is if you have less polls, 2376 01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:07.399 you get more tickets, but you need the polls that 2377 01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:08.520 you can make more money. 2378 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:10.600 So you get like basically for every round, you get 2379 01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:14.520 like three rounds. Well, I guess for every set there's 2380 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.479 like three rounds, and a round can be like you know, 2381 01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:20.039 five to seven poles of the slot machine lever. So 2382 01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:22.800 it's like it'll tell you basically you've got three rounds 2383 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.800 to get to seventy two gold, which is your debt 2384 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:27.520 that you have to pay off. So you know, you'll 2385 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:30.039 finish one round and you'll be like, you know fourteen gold, 2386 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:32.119 and like, you know, you really by the third one, 2387 01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:34.079 you're usually like, okay, I really got to pay this 2388 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:35.520 thing off. But you can you can break it in 2389 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:38.199 a way where it's like, oh man, I'm beating all 2390 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:40.560 these rounds in my first I don't know, I don't 2391 01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.039 know if they're called rounds or sets or whatever, but 2392 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:44.239 like you can beat it early and you'll get these 2393 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:47.319 tickets like from an arcade machine or something, and then 2394 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:48.439 use that to buy charms. 2395 01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:48.880 Yeah. 2396 01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:53.840 I think that it's funny that you were comparing it 2397 01:46:54.199 --> 01:46:58.600 to bilatro. I've been comparing it to inscription. 2398 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:02.279 Yes, yes, it's got that too, for sure. Like tonally, 2399 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.159 I think it's it's way more Tonally. 2400 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:05.319 It's so inscription. 2401 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:10.720 I just want to set the audio listeners expectations that 2402 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:13.239 if you're like I fucking loved inscription. 2403 01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:14.760 It's not as good as an inscription. 2404 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.279 It's not as I mean, no game is as good 2405 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:24.760 as Plato, Beyonce, Platro. Are you out of your time? 2406 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.199 Any any game. 2407 01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:30.960 Compared to balatro, you're fucking, like, fucking with people's minds. 2408 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:35.680 It's it's not even a fraction of nobody's blatro. But inscription. 2409 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:41.279 I'm like offended, but don't even bring it up. 2410 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:46.720 Inscription had these like moments of deception where you kind 2411 01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:48.720 of felt like you were smart and beating the game. 2412 01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:51.159 I think this game lets you do things like that. 2413 01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:52.880 It's just not on the same level. 2414 01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:56.239 So just I'm pulling it back from this idea that 2415 01:47:56.439 --> 01:47:58.880 like it's bigger than it seems, and there's all these 2416 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.760 like ways that Inscription really toys with you. 2417 01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:03.800 This game is a much more simple. 2418 01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:08.760 Version ridiculous man he is, he is his father. I 2419 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:12.960 know you can hear me through much Normally when I 2420 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:13.680 get a beer. 2421 01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:15.520 I gotta go take my headphones off. 2422 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:22.439 There funny bilical cord from the computer your. 2423 01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:25.840 Head like a baby trying to crawl out of the world. 2424 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:29.600 Now I need chords in my life all the time. 2425 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.439 I can't ever take It's a strand. 2426 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:37.680 Yeah, I can't do life anyway. This game is a simple, 2427 01:48:38.279 --> 01:48:42.720 simplified version of Inscription. It doesn't have as many alterations. 2428 01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:45.359 My biggest criticisms of this game is that, like, I 2429 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:48.039 really feel like there's only like four or five good 2430 01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:51.479 hooks of items that work super well together. They need 2431 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:55.760 to put more time into making more items that allow 2432 01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.119 me to play in different ways I get. I've put 2433 01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:01.800 a taste in my hours into this game because it's 2434 01:49:01.880 --> 01:49:04.199 really fun to play while I want it's uh spoop Tober, 2435 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:06.479 just so everybody knows it's October. This is my month 2436 01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:08.319 where I'm allowed to watch as many horror movies is 2437 01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:10.600 I fucking want. And I watch horror movies every day 2438 01:49:11.039 --> 01:49:13.640 that I am home. And when I'm watching a horror movie, 2439 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.000 I like to also play, like maybe a scary game 2440 01:49:16.159 --> 01:49:18.560 on my Steam deck And right now I've been playing 2441 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:20.479 clover Pit because it's kind of scary, but it's also 2442 01:49:20.600 --> 01:49:25.359 really neutral. I can pull the lever and gamble with 2443 01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:29.239 my life while also watching an old horror movie that 2444 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:31.960 I love. So it's it's perfect for like half game 2445 01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:35.399 and half watching TV. That's why I recommend this game, 2446 01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:37.319 and I have enjoyed it. I just think they need 2447 01:49:37.399 --> 01:49:40.079 to do more to make it more randomized. It's very 2448 01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:40.840 limited with what. 2449 01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.960 I can do well, and so to make it more randomized, 2450 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.359 Like I feel like that is the thing that I 2451 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:49.119 don't like about it, because like you just don't want 2452 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:52.600 to gamble any well, any gambling is gonna involve, you know, 2453 01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:55.119 some element of luck, certainly like poker does. But like 2454 01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:56.760 I feel like with Blatchtery you had a little more 2455 01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.079 control over the hands you were trying to make and 2456 01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:01.880 the things that were valuable. I feel like you can 2457 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:04.479 do things like there are certainly charms where it's like, Okay, 2458 01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:06.720 this run, I'm going to do all these things that 2459 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:09.319 help my sevens and treasure chests, and it's like, sure, 2460 01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:13.079 if you hit those, very valuable, But at the end 2461 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:14.840 of the day, in this game, you are still just 2462 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:17.479 pulling a slot machine handle, and like there's you'll never 2463 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.279 get an upgrade that I've seen you misly. 2464 01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:23.479 Yeah, get that perfect hand because you're just pulling a 2465 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:26.000 slot machine. Have you gotten one where it's blackout where 2466 01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:26.680 all of them are there? 2467 01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:27.359 Oh yeah yeah. 2468 01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:27.800 Yeah. 2469 01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:29.600 You can get like crazy ones where like breaks and 2470 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:31.600 you get so many fucking points and everything, but like 2471 01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:34.840 there's nothing like you can manipulate it to like, Okay, 2472 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:37.039 well i want there to be just treasure chests, so 2473 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:38.680 I'm going to pick these upgrades to make it so 2474 01:50:38.800 --> 01:50:43.000 there's less clovers and sevens and more treasures. Like you 2475 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:45.840 can move things more in your favor and kind of 2476 01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:49.479 tweak the odds, but there's nothing that makes it not 2477 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:50.399 a slot machine. 2478 01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:50.600 Pull. 2479 01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:53.159 Yeah, it is for the gambler. 2480 01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:55.560 And I will say, like, for me, I like to 2481 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:58.319 cambl and like I enjoy not like all the time. 2482 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:04.199 I don't have a problem anyway. I enjoy the occasional 2483 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:08.279 thrill of the gamble. And so this scratches that itch 2484 01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:11.479 for me where I am gambling, especially with my like 2485 01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:14.760 fake life. So when I don't when I when I 2486 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:18.199 risk it for everything and I lose and I fall 2487 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.840 to my death, I'm like, that's cool, I'll just do 2488 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:24.720 it again. It's a really nice, low stakes gambling game 2489 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:29.119 that I think makes me enjoy that element of gambling. 2490 01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:30.680 But I agree with you, there's not a lot of 2491 01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:36.159 skill outside of picking the right pieces together and obviously 2492 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:38.800 getting the right amount of luck or you know, and 2493 01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:40.520 there's bad luck too if you if you pull a 2494 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:42.840 six six six, you lose all your money, which really. 2495 01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:45.199 Fun, You're just fuck Sometimes you can make every right 2496 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.319 decision strategically, yeah, like you can set yourself up for 2497 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.680 success and more often than not it'll pay off. But like, 2498 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:52.479 there are just times where it's like you'll pull the 2499 01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:54.560 things seven times in a row and it's just like, well, 2500 01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:56.960 nothing fucking came up, and I died and it's like, well, 2501 01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:00.640 I made every decision you could make right this. So 2502 01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:03.560 it's like that kind of stuff dampered my excitement for it, 2503 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:05.039 But like I did enjoy it, and like you said, 2504 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:07.680 it's like an ideal game if you're just watching something 2505 01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:09.640 in the background or got a podcast on, like, you 2506 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:11.840 don't need to put a lot of brain power into 2507 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:12.520 this necessarily. 2508 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.359 So I've had a. 2509 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:20.039 Lot of time recently where I have been working really 2510 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:22.319 heavy hours. I've been coming off of a plane, and 2511 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:26.079 I'm mentally not in a good spot to play. Like 2512 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:28.960 you know, when I got back from Japan, I could 2513 01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:33.079 not play Ghost Fyote like I could not. I was like, 2514 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:36.479 I'm barely functioning right now. But I can play clover 2515 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:39.520 Pit half brain Dead. I can sure I can pull 2516 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:44.079 that slot machine. So if you're ever wanting to play 2517 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:48.000 a game but you just don't have the capacity, that's 2518 01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:50.479 where I think this one really comes into play. 2519 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.119 Sure Dan, you're playing Lego Party as well. 2520 01:52:56.319 --> 01:53:04.319 Fuck folks, it's it's bet it is just better than 2521 01:53:04.359 --> 01:53:04.960 Mario Party. 2522 01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:11.840 Yeah, just that I can't sit here despite having what 2523 01:53:12.079 --> 01:53:14.479 Mario Party came out in like two thousands, so at 2524 01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:17.520 least like twenty five years of playing Mario Party with 2525 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:21.199 my friends and family and colleagues and everything in between, 2526 01:53:21.880 --> 01:53:23.920 and loving it so much and loving the Mario universe 2527 01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:26.920 so much. I cannot sit here and say into a 2528 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.000 microphone that Lego Party isn't better than Mario Party, because 2529 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:34.439 it is in every fucking way as a video game. 2530 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:38.000 Like sure, I love seeing Mario and Wallawejien Monty Mole 2531 01:53:38.039 --> 01:53:38.359 and stuff. 2532 01:53:38.359 --> 01:53:40.760 That's great. They can't do that. They can just make 2533 01:53:40.840 --> 01:53:42.720 the game how they wanted, and they made the game 2534 01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:47.039 better in like every fucking way. It takes everything that 2535 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:48.720 works about Mario Party. 2536 01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:50.840 And makes it so fun and just makes it so 2537 01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:54.479 much the quality of life, quality of the mini games 2538 01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.640 that you know, Like I know, I like the bullshit randomization, 2539 01:53:59.079 --> 01:54:01.039 rubber banding and all that stuff of Mario Party. But 2540 01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:03.680 it's like, you know, like once you play a game 2541 01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:06.479 that's like just like, oh wow, this is actually kind 2542 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:09.680 of skill based, and like it is it's not just 2543 01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:12.560 horseshit where it's like, oh, a bunch of nonsense happened, 2544 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:14.680 and you landed on the superstar space and then you 2545 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:16.479 got this bonus star at the end, and I guess 2546 01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:18.279 you won, even though you lost every mini game. You know, 2547 01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:21.399 it's like that stuff doesn't really happen in Lego Party, uh, 2548 01:54:22.119 --> 01:54:24.720 but enough stuff does where it's like you want a 2549 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:26.439 game like this, a party game, to be a thing 2550 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:28.680 you can take back on the holidays and play with 2551 01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:32.199 friends and family that don't play games and let them 2552 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:33.880 feel like, you know, they're not just gonna get you know, 2553 01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:36.399 just roasted, like if you played fucking a fighting game 2554 01:54:36.439 --> 01:54:37.079 with them or something. 2555 01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:39.039 You know, so it. 2556 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:41.520 Manages to do that, like there's enough I don't want 2557 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:45.039 to say randomization, but there is enough like chaos that 2558 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.479 they can throw into there to where like I think 2559 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:50.199 anybody could stand a fighting chance for plans, like I mean. 2560 01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:55.039 Ideal Land, did I know? 2561 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:56.960 I think? 2562 01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:59.840 I think I won once and I lost the second one. 2563 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:02.640 So so I was gonna say the I had family 2564 01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:05.800 in last weekend, So I had my sister Katie and 2565 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:07.640 not Kaylee because Kayle plays a ton of games. Katie 2566 01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:10.720 is her twin who doesn't play games, and her husband 2567 01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:12.720 and her daughter came to town and they spent the 2568 01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.239 weekend here. And Katie was always playing Mario Party with 2569 01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:18.279 me growing up and to this day, like whenever it's 2570 01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:21.880 Thanksgiving Christmas, we always all get together and play Mario Party, 2571 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:23.920 and Katie's brought her husband into this, and like it's 2572 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:27.359 just part it is a family tradition. And I knew 2573 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:28.920 it was going to be, like I wonder how they're 2574 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:30.720 gonna react to this when I say, like, hey, tonight, 2575 01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:33.840 I know we're probably all assuming we're gonna play Mario Party. 2576 01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:36.640 Would you be up for trying this thing? Like, trust 2577 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:38.319 me on this one. I played one game of it 2578 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:42.079 seems really good Lego Party, And Katie told me later 2579 01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:44.600 that when I said that, her thought was like, we 2580 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:46.920 don't really care about Legos and Mario Party is kind 2581 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:49.000 of our thing, Like, yeah, we don't see each other, 2582 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:50.439 Like she was just thinking, like, we don't see each 2583 01:55:50.439 --> 01:55:52.960 other that often. Let's go with the Shirefire thing. We 2584 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:55.800 played a game of it. They loved it so much, 2585 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:57.680 and they're like, can we play again right now? And 2586 01:55:57.800 --> 01:55:59.920 we played again right then, And then I got a 2587 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:02.000 text as soon as they got back being like, hey, okay, 2588 01:56:02.039 --> 01:56:03.119 what was the name of that game? And I said, 2589 01:56:03.279 --> 01:56:04.119 and they bought it on Switch. 2590 01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:05.840 So it's like it is. 2591 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:09.960 As it's so, it's so many smart little tweaks to 2592 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:12.119 the formula it's still a board game. And at the 2593 01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:14.640 end of the minigame, you all roll dice and go 2594 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.359 around the board and you're trying to get gold bricks 2595 01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:19.239 instead of gold stars. You're getting studs instead of coins. 2596 01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:21.319 It is like a lot of the stuff is one 2597 01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:25.279 to one Mario Party, but the tiny tweaks are just like, okay, 2598 01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:27.520 so if you you know, the moment to moment mini 2599 01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:30.279 games and Mario Party don't really fucking matter that much. 2600 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:31.960 You know, you get coins, but they could just go 2601 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:35.960 away whenever this one. Every turn on the board game, 2602 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:39.720 the placement or the order is determined by the placement 2603 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:42.840 of the minigames. So if we're playing, let's say me 2604 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:46.479 and Mike are both two spots away from the gold brick, 2605 01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.920 which is the main thing the minigame before that, whoever 2606 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:53.880 win's first there is gonna roll first. So it's like, 2607 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:56.239 oh shit, it's not just like I know Mike rolls 2608 01:56:56.279 --> 01:56:58.640 first in the turn order, he's gonna get it. It's like, no, 2609 01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:00.560 if I beat him, I get to roll first, So 2610 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:01.159 I'm gonna get to it. 2611 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:05.119 So play mini games for the initiative, I mean, you get. 2612 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:06.800 The studs and stuff, like just like Mario party, but 2613 01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:09.319 you also get like placement of like okay, I can 2614 01:57:09.359 --> 01:57:11.960 get to that star first. That's super smart. They do 2615 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:14.600 these like two versus too mini games called brick battles. 2616 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:16.560 We land on this thing, so it's like'll randomly put 2617 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:19.279 like okay, me and Mary are together against Mike and Jake, 2618 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.279 and it'll be like for a golden brick, Like each 2619 01:57:22.359 --> 01:57:24.199 each winner gets the golden brick. So it's like suddenly 2620 01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:26.319 there's major stakes of these two verse two ones. They're 2621 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:29.319 not just random games that pop up. They do little 2622 01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:30.920 things like you know the score at the end of 2623 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.439 the mini games, like you know, maybe ten seconds before 2624 01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:35.760 the end, it'll fade away to kind of create that 2625 01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.600 tension of like you know who's winning, but then like 2626 01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:39.520 oh the last ten seconds they're not really sure who's 2627 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:43.439 going to win. The boards themselves as like they're different 2628 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:45.680 every time because like what I point to is the 2629 01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:47.479 theme park world where it's like it starts as like 2630 01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:49.840 a theme park thing and there's like a central fountain, 2631 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:52.560 but as you go to the corners, it'll ask you 2632 01:57:52.720 --> 01:57:56.039 like do you want to build a extreme stunt land 2633 01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:58.680 or do you want to build a haunted house? And 2634 01:57:58.880 --> 01:58:02.000 that totally changes the layout of the course, the different 2635 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:03.760 ways you can get to the bricks and things like that. 2636 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.000 So it's like every time you play, there's variety. So 2637 01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:09.279 the boards themselves are better. The mini games are way better. 2638 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:12.800 They're way more skill based. They're hilarious, but there's more variety. 2639 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.239 There's these like trivia games. There's kind of like physics 2640 01:58:15.319 --> 01:58:17.520 y games and everything. There's this one trivia game where 2641 01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:20.840 it's like, uh, it shows famous art pieces like you know, 2642 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:23.239 Starry Night, but a lego version, and I'll ask you 2643 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:25.920 questions about Starry Night and you'll get studs based on 2644 01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:26.479 how fast. 2645 01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:29.239 You answer and things like that, like trivia of like 2646 01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:30.239 the artist. 2647 01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:32.960 Yeah, it'll be like, oh when was this made or whatever? 2648 01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:34.520 Or what is the name of this and things like that. 2649 01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:35.800 Oh, that's like your kryptonite. 2650 01:58:36.319 --> 01:58:38.079 Well but I mean that's I was playing with bomb. 2651 01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:39.880 It's like a lego gun and it's like when was 2652 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:43.119 the first gun invented? And Dan's like no, but. 2653 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:46.399 I shoot it. 2654 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:48.239 Back. 2655 01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:52.279 Fucking hates Mario Party, but like there was enough in 2656 01:58:52.319 --> 01:58:54.079 there for everyone, so it's like, you know, she knows 2657 01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:56.640 art very well, and so it's like, oh shit, it's 2658 01:58:56.680 --> 01:58:57.880 an art trivia things. 2659 01:58:57.920 --> 01:58:58.880 So she's winning that and stuff. 2660 01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:02.239 Like I asked her, and she's never enjoyed a second 2661 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:03.079 of Mario Party. 2662 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:04.239 I watched her face. 2663 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:06.680 It's just just pure, just like I'm just going to 2664 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:08.800 get through this because it's a family thing that this 2665 01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:12.760 weirdo family I'm married into takes seriously. But she actually 2666 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:16.159 liked playing Lego Party. It's just less time wasting bullshit. 2667 01:59:16.520 --> 01:59:18.479 It's more just quality of life stuff that nintended would 2668 01:59:18.479 --> 01:59:21.359 never do. It's got cross play, it's forty dollars instead 2669 01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:27.119 of seventy dollars. It's just in every way, it's just 2670 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:30.039 a much much better experience. I will still play Mario 2671 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:31.279 Party and have a ton of fun with it and 2672 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:32.920 do shows about it and stuff like that. But like 2673 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:34.920 when it comes down to it, if I just you know, 2674 01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:36.439 im back with family or whatever and we just want 2675 01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:38.720 to play a fun game like Lego Party. 2676 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:39.000 Is just better. 2677 01:59:39.479 --> 01:59:41.159 Okay, it's just better. 2678 01:59:42.960 --> 01:59:45.159 Who are you and what have you done with? 2679 01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.119 I'm glad. I'm glad that he can evolve. 2680 01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:52.039 It's so noble. It's noble as what it is. 2681 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:55.399 Thank you, I was thinking of so, so maybe that's 2682 01:59:55.399 --> 01:59:57.680 why that firefighter, an actual hero. 2683 01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.760 Called you a yeah, yeah, Yeah, I don't know. 2684 02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:02.520 I think I'm probably more important since I have a 2685 02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:03.399 big boss statue. 2686 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:08.640 Yeah no, Dan, last game. You played a little bit 2687 02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:13.720 of Battlefield six. Yeah, it's look, I haven't really played 2688 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:16.880 since three. I think I reviewed three for Game Informer 2689 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:19.880 and I maybe played a little bit of four. I'm 2690 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:22.279 not a Battlefield guy. I like Bad Company more than 2691 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:23.560 the core numbered series. 2692 02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:26.640 But it's it was fun. I played like an hour 2693 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:29.079 with Mike Manati. We had a good time. Like I 2694 02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:31.520 mean anything, you're playing a game with your friend online, Yeah. 2695 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:33.840 You're a streaming game with your friend. 2696 02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:34.880 Yeah, Yeah, it was good. 2697 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:36.960 It's just like it's a note like I'm just not 2698 02:00:37.079 --> 02:00:39.319 the multiplayer shooter guy anymore. Like maybe I had a 2699 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:40.920 heyday with like some of the Call of Duty's and 2700 02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:43.600 stuff like that. But I mean, there's just no way 2701 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:45.119 this is going to be my game when I'm going 2702 02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:47.359 to put one hundred hours into Battlefield six. 2703 02:00:47.399 --> 02:00:48.840 It's it's it's a good one. 2704 02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:52.039 I didn't play the fucking twenty whatever one, the last 2705 02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:55.359 one or Yeah, so I just I'm coming from not 2706 02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:58.640 at all an expert on this series. Uh, it seemed 2707 02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:01.199 fun and it seems likeeople that like the series are 2708 02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:04.199 enjoying it, so that's good for them. 2709 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:05.760 I'm probably not gonna play a ton more. 2710 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:09.279 Yeah, I'm looking forward to playing with Jake at some point. 2711 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:14.359 They've definitely had to write the ship after twenty forty two, 2712 02:01:14.600 --> 02:01:18.119 which got to a good point in its life cycle 2713 02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:24.159 way too late. They had some problems early on with 2714 02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:26.560 that game that I don't think they ever fully recovered from. 2715 02:01:27.079 --> 02:01:30.159 But yes, then they got Andy mcmher in there. He 2716 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:32.279 got down. You got in the garage and just kind 2717 02:01:32.279 --> 02:01:35.159 of built it, you know, just two by fours and hammers, 2718 02:01:35.199 --> 02:01:37.399 and here you go and fix it, all right, Swap a. 2719 02:01:37.399 --> 02:01:40.319 Couple zeros and ones, and you got yourself a stew going. 2720 02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:42.680 Yeah, yeah, they got it. They got a good stew 2721 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:44.640 of military shooter going on with it. 2722 02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:47.840 I gotta play with the people at war Say what 2723 02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:51.560 a stew of military action they talked about. 2724 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:54.720 They talked about Stu and warfare the movie. It was 2725 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:58.439 a it was a weird scene out of nowhere. They 2726 02:01:58.520 --> 02:02:01.079 just start talking about stew. I don't remember that part. 2727 02:02:01.960 --> 02:02:02.880 We're doing a bit. 2728 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:07.239 Is the bit that they didn't talk about Stu. Yeah, 2729 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:09.920 oh yeah, yeah, I remember when they talked about. 2730 02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:12.640 Yeah, that was great. You guys want to talk about emails, 2731 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:14.560 let me let me. 2732 02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:16.600 I do want to quickly bring up just because I 2733 02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:18.119 know we all are on the go and play games 2734 02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:22.800 and the go. I got the the rog Xbox. Yeah, 2735 02:02:25.560 --> 02:02:29.880 dance quick bit that he does? Is it an Xbox 2736 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:31.479 hand hell is talking about? 2737 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:33.800 I know it's Joe. I just didn't see on the list. Yeah, 2738 02:02:33.880 --> 02:02:36.640 go for it, tell us, tell us I got her here. 2739 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:39.880 Uh, I'm not the super techy uh going and all 2740 02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:41.680 the like how many kibble bits and stuff it's got. 2741 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:43.760 So I'll just say it the way I know it. 2742 02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:46.720 The least interesting part about it, I think is the 2743 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:49.880 Xbox integration, just because like I don't know, I'm kind 2744 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:51.760 of like a lot of people right now where Xbox 2745 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:53.560 is not really top of mind in terms of like 2746 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:57.479 the platform I'm really playing a lot of or enthusiastic 2747 02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:00.359 about because they keep kind of making we'll say, quiteable 2748 02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:04.159 decisions and uh, but I will say, as a piece 2749 02:03:04.199 --> 02:03:07.159 of technology, uh this, you know, I like the rog 2750 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:08.840 ally ax and stuff. I've used that quite a bit. 2751 02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:12.079 This is like it does seem like a significant step 2752 02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:15.399 up in terms of power. Uh, it's I There have 2753 02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:17.239 been a couple of very obvious ones for me, like 2754 02:03:17.560 --> 02:03:20.159 elden Ring, you know, like I remember it could you 2755 02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:21.800 could play it on a steam deck o let or 2756 02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:22.359 a steam deck? 2757 02:03:22.680 --> 02:03:23.920 Why not a steam deck? 2758 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:24.840 What's that? 2759 02:03:25.560 --> 02:03:26.920 Why not just steam deck? 2760 02:03:27.560 --> 02:03:28.680 No, you could do it on either. 2761 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:30.399 I mean, I know it had a little bit more power, 2762 02:03:31.119 --> 02:03:34.560 but it was just as Oh yeah, no, the thing's 2763 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:35.239 expensive as hell. 2764 02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:36.319 Yeah is this one? 2765 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:38.079 I is it just a thousand? I thought it might 2766 02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:40.479 be more. I I don't know, but it's yeah, the 2767 02:03:40.520 --> 02:03:41.319 black one here is the. 2768 02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:45.640 One changed it Dan. He doesn't pay for it. 2769 02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:51.279 No, I know you so well, this to you with 2770 02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:54.600 a whole hat and maybe some chairs that, yeah, because 2771 02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:56.960 they probably give you, like some extra little swag that 2772 02:03:57.039 --> 02:03:58.520 you like downed in your house. 2773 02:03:58.760 --> 02:03:59.920 No, it just came in the box. 2774 02:04:00.279 --> 02:04:01.840 There's some nachos and then. 2775 02:04:03.920 --> 02:04:06.239 Oh man, if it came with nachos, I'd be saying. 2776 02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:09.800 Came with rog boxers that he's wearing right now. 2777 02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:13.479 The flap of the flap opens right in the center 2778 02:04:13.479 --> 02:04:16.720 of the Oh yeah, yeah, sure, I put my wiener through. Yeah. 2779 02:04:18.079 --> 02:04:22.520 I will say it is more powerful obviously than the 2780 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:25.279 steam deck. I think there are use cases I will 2781 02:04:25.319 --> 02:04:29.319 go to for Yeah, yeah, that's a's expensive shit. Like 2782 02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:31.520 I'll say it this way, I would not like if 2783 02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:33.159 I didn't get this for free. I don't think I 2784 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:35.720 would spend one thousand plus dollars on this thing. 2785 02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:38.479 Dollars on a handheld is a choice. 2786 02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:40.800 Yeah, there's I do not think I would do that. 2787 02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:43.000 We have to convince Dan to spend ten dollars on 2788 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:45.640 a multiplayer game. Sometimes, I don't think he'd buy the 2789 02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:46.359 rog X. 2790 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:49.479 Is the curse of getting everything for my entire life 2791 02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:51.840 is that, Like, I really don't like spending money, so 2792 02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:53.840 it's very difficult for me. And thank you for empathizing. 2793 02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:55.960 I'm gonna make an empathy game about I'm going to 2794 02:04:56.000 --> 02:04:56.680 spend ten dollars. 2795 02:04:57.199 --> 02:04:59.199 You're gonna make an empathy game and find out how 2796 02:04:59.279 --> 02:05:00.920 much it costs a higher one. 2797 02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:07.079 Dev you find all the free stuff you get so 2798 02:05:07.239 --> 02:05:11.399 that thing and then and then the game became a review. 2799 02:05:11.199 --> 02:05:13.560 Of Dan what a piece of ship holding up his 2800 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:16.800 thousand dollars handheld, telling us that he thought it was 2801 02:05:16.880 --> 02:05:19.880 pretty good, but he doesn't know about all the kibbles. 2802 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:20.119 And bits of it. 2803 02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:23.600 Fuck you. A slow piano song starts. It's like there's no, 2804 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:26.239 there's no room for the Bojangles Xbox. 2805 02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:28.239 That's like the room. 2806 02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:32.000 Room, all right. 2807 02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:36.359 It's heavier, heavier if you're holding it. 2808 02:05:36.640 --> 02:05:38.079 It's if you're in bed and he put them on 2809 02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:40.399 your jan and Joe is always dropping his fucking Steam 2810 02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:41.039 deck on his head. 2811 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:42.279 This will break your fucking nose. 2812 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:47.239 It is clunkier in terms of the UI because it's 2813 02:05:47.239 --> 02:05:49.319 like there's like an Xbox button on it and stuff, 2814 02:05:49.359 --> 02:05:52.680 but like, ultimately I'm playing this like like everything I 2815 02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:55.720 want to play for the most parts on Steam, So like, okay, sure, 2816 02:05:55.720 --> 02:05:59.840 it's great that I can download Fortnite. Yeah, I mean 2817 02:05:59.920 --> 02:06:02.279 like or hay lo, what things would you need outside 2818 02:06:02.319 --> 02:06:04.479 of Steam? And then at the games so well, that's things. 2819 02:06:04.600 --> 02:06:08.119 It's a Windows thing, so you can do things outside 2820 02:06:08.159 --> 02:06:09.560 of that. But I feel like we've gotten past a 2821 02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:11.039 lot of those storefront where it's like, oh, you got 2822 02:06:11.119 --> 02:06:13.000 to launch the EA app, you got to launch the ubisop. 2823 02:06:13.399 --> 02:06:15.520 Like everyone's kind of just back to Steam right now. 2824 02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:18.560 So it's like the Xbox part of this is definitely 2825 02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:21.520 the least interesting for me. The thing I'm liking a 2826 02:06:21.560 --> 02:06:23.520 lot about it is I do think the form factor, 2827 02:06:23.600 --> 02:06:27.800 despite being heavier, is really good and the power element 2828 02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:29.680 like elden Ring was going to bring up that, Like 2829 02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:32.039 you know, it ran on steam Deck. It chewed through 2830 02:06:32.079 --> 02:06:35.079 battery like nobody's business, and it is kind of chunky. 2831 02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:36.600 I mean, you could get settings in a right spot, 2832 02:06:36.640 --> 02:06:39.760 but like elden Ring ran smooth as silk on this thing, 2833 02:06:39.880 --> 02:06:42.039 and the battery seems much much better, like to the 2834 02:06:42.039 --> 02:06:45.000 point where it's like, if I am playing a bigger game, 2835 02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:48.039 like when I say bigger, like a higher fidelity Triple 2836 02:06:48.079 --> 02:06:50.359 A type game or something, I will probably bring this 2837 02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:52.239 on the plane with me because I think this is 2838 02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:54.279 going to handle it a lot better. And I actually 2839 02:06:54.319 --> 02:06:56.279 I do like the form factor a lot. I think 2840 02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:58.479 I do play, despite what Mary says, a lot of 2841 02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:02.199 endie games. So I think the steam Deck I will probably. 2842 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:07.680 Consume me because Bob told you to, because she's a 2843 02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:09.439 queen and you're fus. 2844 02:07:10.079 --> 02:07:11.880 She thanks you every episode. 2845 02:07:15.560 --> 02:07:17.560 Uh what about eighties two? That's an indie game? 2846 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:17.760 Right? 2847 02:07:18.239 --> 02:07:18.720 Soaks On? 2848 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:19.439 Soaks On? 2849 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:20.800 I love soaks On? 2850 02:07:21.039 --> 02:07:21.439 How about that? 2851 02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:21.600 Now? 2852 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:22.960 Does that give me some points? Shobi? 2853 02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:23.640 That's sega. 2854 02:07:25.680 --> 02:07:30.800 May God have mercy on your normy God damn it? Okay, anyway, 2855 02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:35.119 shill your sol you're free fucking xboxtizing it. 2856 02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:38.880 I get everything for free. I shit on things appropriately 2857 02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:42.520 or praise them appropriately. I will praise them for the 2858 02:07:42.640 --> 02:07:44.560 power stuff. It is good, I will say. One of 2859 02:07:44.600 --> 02:07:47.600 the weirder ones for me is Megabank, because Megabank is 2860 02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:50.560 like a fucking what forty megaby game, four hundred megabay game, 2861 02:07:50.600 --> 02:07:53.399 whatever it is. Megabank actually runs a lot better on 2862 02:07:53.439 --> 02:07:55.560 the Steam Deck than it does on the old which 2863 02:07:55.560 --> 02:07:57.479 is weird to me that this thing is running like 2864 02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:59.800 like Ninja Got in four. I am playing that on 2865 02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:01.760 this and it's running very very well. That is like 2866 02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:04.279 a new Triple I don't know if you call Triple 2867 02:08:04.319 --> 02:08:07.760 A necessarily. Maybe it's Triple A, but it's a demanding game. 2868 02:08:08.039 --> 02:08:10.039 I tried playing on the Steam Deck. It was not 2869 02:08:10.319 --> 02:08:12.840 playing great on that. It plays great on this, but Megabank, 2870 02:08:12.920 --> 02:08:15.199 which is a tiny game, doesn't play great on this 2871 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:17.119 played great on the Steam Deck, So I don't know. 2872 02:08:17.199 --> 02:08:18.760 There's probably a lot of driver stuff I don't have. 2873 02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:21.920 This is pre release still, but like the short version is, 2874 02:08:22.319 --> 02:08:26.039 I am impressed with the way it runs bigger, more 2875 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:28.520 demanding games right now, and I do like the form 2876 02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:31.479 factor a lot so I think I am going to 2877 02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:34.840 be going back and forth between now the Switch to 2878 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:39.079 the Xbox Rock ally and the Steam Deck, depending on 2879 02:08:39.199 --> 02:08:41.159 what I'm playing. Obviously, it's always gonna be the switch 2880 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:44.039 for first party stuff, for a Nintendo stuff or Haites two. 2881 02:08:44.119 --> 02:08:46.239 I mean that was my like, Haities two runs fucking 2882 02:08:46.359 --> 02:08:49.920 great on the Switch. I think for general Steam stuff, 2883 02:08:50.199 --> 02:08:51.560 like you know a lot of indie games and things 2884 02:08:51.640 --> 02:08:53.920 like that, that's the one I'm gonna be using. And 2885 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:56.239 then if it's a more demanding game, I'm probably gonna 2886 02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:56.720 use the Rock. 2887 02:08:57.039 --> 02:09:00.960 So that's right, so many handholes to choose from. 2888 02:09:02.359 --> 02:09:03.800 God's gift to gamers. 2889 02:09:04.439 --> 02:09:06.960 I'm just doing my job a hero. 2890 02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:08.079 Thank you. 2891 02:09:08.279 --> 02:09:10.079 Yeah, it so noble. You guys want to talk about 2892 02:09:10.119 --> 02:09:11.279 emails please? 2893 02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:14.960 All right? 2894 02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:17.920 As usual, you can write into fire Escape past at 2895 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:21.800 gmail dot com questions, comments, concerns. Might read those questions 2896 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:26.560 on the air concerns I'll probably ignore, but that's fine. 2897 02:09:27.279 --> 02:09:29.199 We still have the email. You can send stuff to it. 2898 02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:31.960 That is Firescape past at gmail dot com. We have 2899 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:36.119 a couple tonight. I'll read this first one because it's 2900 02:09:36.159 --> 02:09:41.079 about something I said last episode. Uh Hi, gang Phil 2901 02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:43.359 from Finland. Here in the last email, my I talked 2902 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:45.399 about how I read Infinite just out of spite to 2903 02:09:45.439 --> 02:09:48.359 annoy my girlfriend but ended up being my favorite book, 2904 02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:51.399 and I got roasted by Mary. Then last episode, Mike 2905 02:09:51.479 --> 02:09:53.119 said that no one should ever read the book and 2906 02:09:53.159 --> 02:09:56.039 it's just for assholes with ponytails in college. Well, I 2907 02:09:56.119 --> 02:09:58.359 can definitely see this being true, and since reading it, 2908 02:09:58.399 --> 02:10:00.359 I've learned that it's a book people mainly care around 2909 02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:03.439 to look impressive. I'm not a reader, though, and at 2910 02:10:03.479 --> 02:10:04.880 the time when I read it, I didn't know anythingbout 2911 02:10:04.880 --> 02:10:07.439 the book or it's fan base. The story and especially 2912 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:10.359 the themes of addiction hit really hard for me. This 2913 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:13.800 got me thinking about other things that are actually good 2914 02:10:14.199 --> 02:10:17.119 but their reputation has been ruined by the fan base. 2915 02:10:17.600 --> 02:10:20.399 As someone who plays Deadlock on EU servers, I get 2916 02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:22.760 why mobile players are known as the most toxic people 2917 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:26.079 in games. And standing in line to a death death 2918 02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:28.439 Grip show, I wanted to place my fist in every 2919 02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:31.239 face that surrounded me. Sure, what are things you like 2920 02:10:31.880 --> 02:10:34.279 that people or the fan base ruin? 2921 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:40.079 I mean, God, what fandom immune from this? You know? 2922 02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:41.760 I mean they're all there. 2923 02:10:42.119 --> 02:10:44.359 There's this is ample right, I'm sure we have lots 2924 02:10:44.399 --> 02:10:46.600 of them, but it's like, what's like the primo example, 2925 02:10:46.680 --> 02:10:50.880 I think I have a pretty good one. Rick and Morty. 2926 02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:55.640 Oh yeah, I really liked the first season of that show, 2927 02:10:55.680 --> 02:10:57.680 and I remember being like, this is brilliant, what a 2928 02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:00.520 cool concept of like being able to go into different 2929 02:11:00.560 --> 02:11:03.680 dimensions and like kill characters and like have really serious 2930 02:11:03.800 --> 02:11:07.800 topics like divorce and uh death and like you know, 2931 02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:11.880 and it's just absolutely massacred by the audience to the 2932 02:11:11.960 --> 02:11:15.520 point where like I would never like wear a Rick 2933 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:18.960 and Morty shirt out and public for fear that someone 2934 02:11:19.039 --> 02:11:21.319 will come up to me and scream, pickle. 2935 02:11:21.079 --> 02:11:22.000 Rick, don't. 2936 02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:24.560 I would pull you aside and what are you doing? 2937 02:11:24.640 --> 02:11:24.840 Mary? 2938 02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:29.279 Yeah, but I do like the show. 2939 02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:31.640 I think it's a good I think it's a good idea. 2940 02:11:31.720 --> 02:11:33.399 I think it's a really smart concept. I thought it 2941 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:36.399 was funny and I like stand by that. But it's 2942 02:11:36.439 --> 02:11:38.279 hard to say that publicly anymore. 2943 02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:41.920 Yeah, I have to think for what it's worth. 2944 02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:44.039 I do think less of you now, thank you. 2945 02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:48.399 Figured it's like it's unfortunate. I think there's like there's 2946 02:11:48.520 --> 02:11:51.279 redeeming qualities of the show. I think you could make 2947 02:11:51.479 --> 02:11:54.239 maybe some arguments with a lot of shows of that nature, 2948 02:11:54.359 --> 02:11:56.920 like South Parker or something like that where Our Family Guy, 2949 02:11:56.960 --> 02:11:59.119 where people are like really and it's like listen, there 2950 02:11:59.159 --> 02:12:01.840 are times where that show. Those shows are pretty good, 2951 02:12:03.159 --> 02:12:05.399 but the audience can make it tough to love. 2952 02:12:05.880 --> 02:12:07.960 I think. I think it's because like the overwhelming thing 2953 02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:09.479 that you hear about with that audience, it's like, oh, 2954 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:11.119 you're just not smart enough to understand it. 2955 02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:15.840 Like that is just the most like fuck you not great? 2956 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:21.199 No mine, mine is. It's probably wine. I I know 2957 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:21.840 it gets. 2958 02:12:23.680 --> 02:12:24.600 Specifics. 2959 02:12:26.520 --> 02:12:30.840 I I am friends now, I've made friends recently who 2960 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:32.920 are some of the most intelligent, curious people who will 2961 02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:36.359 never once be judgmental about someone liking or disliking wine 2962 02:12:36.439 --> 02:12:39.520 or having a certain preconception of wine. They're very, very 2963 02:12:39.600 --> 02:12:43.960 grounded people who share the same passion for it that 2964 02:12:44.039 --> 02:12:46.600 I do. But I absolutely I'll come across I'll stumble 2965 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:49.880 across videos and Instagram where like, wow, these two are 2966 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.279 acting like douches and it's not inviting people into wine. 2967 02:12:53.359 --> 02:12:58.239 This industry that's hitting some challenges now, Like I absolutely 2968 02:12:58.319 --> 02:13:02.079 get why U wine has the reputation it has for 2969 02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:06.720 being stuffy or douchey or like. Similarly, I think like 2970 02:13:06.840 --> 02:13:09.319 people like it's kind of like highbrow, when in fact, 2971 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:12.399 again it can be very low brow and grounded and 2972 02:13:12.560 --> 02:13:13.560 with really cool people. 2973 02:13:13.760 --> 02:13:16.359 But I think it'd be easy with you, in particular, 2974 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:18.560 that if someone didn't know you to think that like, oh, 2975 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.359 this guy you know wants to be a smalli A 2976 02:13:20.520 --> 02:13:23.239 AND's obsessed with wines, Like do have some preconceived notions, 2977 02:13:23.319 --> 02:13:25.760 but like I do always defend you when it's like 2978 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:27.880 I'll give you shit for it, but it's like I 2979 02:13:28.000 --> 02:13:29.840 always say the thing was like, no, he gets it, 2980 02:13:29.960 --> 02:13:32.079 and like he'll roll with the jokes about mbay yeah, 2981 02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:33.359 high flutin or fancy. 2982 02:13:33.960 --> 02:13:36.359 So I think a lot of people probably don't why know, Yeah, 2983 02:13:36.479 --> 02:13:36.760 a lot of. 2984 02:13:36.720 --> 02:13:38.680 Those people probably don't have I mean, tell me if 2985 02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:40.359 I'm wrong. I would imagine a lot of people who 2986 02:13:40.399 --> 02:13:42.439 are very into wine don't have that same sense of 2987 02:13:42.520 --> 02:13:43.680 humor about themselves that you do. 2988 02:13:44.359 --> 02:13:47.880 Uh correct, One the ones I'm good friends with, they 2989 02:13:47.920 --> 02:13:50.159 do like they get it. They also are in on it. 2990 02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:54.960 But there are many, many, many, I'd say probably more 2991 02:13:55.079 --> 02:13:57.439 people who get into it for very different reasons than 2992 02:13:57.439 --> 02:14:02.319 I do. Yesh, Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, Dan, I don't 2993 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:03.600 know if you have one locked in the life. 2994 02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:05.439 I mean, I mean, there's my two or just like 2995 02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:07.319 you know, when I say every fandom, it's like the 2996 02:14:07.399 --> 02:14:09.960 two things I know more about than anything are wrestling 2997 02:14:10.000 --> 02:14:13.000 in video games, and both fandoms are just like, if 2998 02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:14.680 you were on the outside and you just saw some 2999 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:18.720 of the shit that becomes controversies or huge online firestorms 3000 02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:20.800 and stuff, you do, what the fuck are these maniacs 3001 02:14:20.840 --> 02:14:24.000 talking about? Like how many stupid fucking video game controversies 3002 02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:26.560 happen every week? And then wrestling with all the like 3003 02:14:26.880 --> 02:14:29.880 tribalism now between like WWE and AW now, and it's 3004 02:14:29.960 --> 02:14:33.239 just like it's it's just embarrassing a lot of this stuff. 3005 02:14:33.319 --> 02:14:35.319 Like there's just so I know so many people like 3006 02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:37.319 you talk about the people that you talk to wine 3007 02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:39.439 talk to about wine and stuff like that are people 3008 02:14:39.479 --> 02:14:41.600 that kind of get it and everything. And like, I 3009 02:14:41.680 --> 02:14:44.760 know so many great friends and great people that love 3010 02:14:44.840 --> 02:14:47.439 wrestling video games the way I do. But then if 3011 02:14:47.479 --> 02:14:51.279 you look at the just broad spectrum of people who 3012 02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:54.640 go into that mainly just look at certain forums and 3013 02:14:55.000 --> 02:14:56.960 social media and stuff like that, it just be like, 3014 02:14:57.000 --> 02:14:58.800 oh my god, what is wrong with these people? 3015 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:02.600 You know? Yeah, I actually like to flip Phil's question, 3016 02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:07.680 what is a fandom that you automatically assume you're going 3017 02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:10.720 to like because they're a fan of something, or what 3018 02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:13.279 is a thing whose fandom you're like, oh, fuck, they're 3019 02:15:13.279 --> 02:15:15.800 probably really cool. You know. 3020 02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:18.079 It's interesting is that the first thing that came to 3021 02:15:18.199 --> 02:15:21.720 mind are is NORM. Yeah, because it's like that is 3022 02:15:21.760 --> 02:15:23.720 the thing. But here's the thing with NORM too, is like, 3023 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:26.439 when I hear someone's a big NORM fan, I have 3024 02:15:26.560 --> 02:15:29.439 the feeling of like, okay, okay, you you're funny, you 3025 02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:32.880 understand a great comedian. But there is a contingency of 3026 02:15:33.000 --> 02:15:36.319 NORM fans that are just like they don't look beyond 3027 02:15:36.479 --> 02:15:39.039 just like, oh, sometimes he said things that were like really, 3028 02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:41.199 you know, kind of like you're not supposed to say 3029 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:43.439 this thing or whatever, and like and don't really understand 3030 02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:45.920 the like, you know, the the art that he brought 3031 02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:46.119 to it. 3032 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:46.960 Really, you know, the. 3033 02:15:47.000 --> 02:15:50.399 Comedian's fallacy of like you love them because they like 3034 02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:54.039 said something really racy and like spicy and that can 3035 02:15:54.159 --> 02:15:58.640 really hook people. But if that's all you can appreciate 3036 02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:03.960 about that comedy, then you're really not ingesting what they're 3037 02:16:04.039 --> 02:16:06.359 saying behind all of this, you're just saying like ooh, 3038 02:16:06.439 --> 02:16:08.880 they said a curse word, and like yeah, like. 3039 02:16:08.960 --> 02:16:12.439 Norm was never just saying something to be offensive or whatever, 3040 02:16:12.600 --> 02:16:14.960 Like there was always just waste. Like I don't know 3041 02:16:14.960 --> 02:16:18.119 if anyone knows the women driver joke from weekend up 3042 02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:19.760 day way back in the way, but that that three 3043 02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:22.680 part thing that just ends up with the audience just 3044 02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:24.760 being like what the fuck? How do we even respond 3045 02:16:24.800 --> 02:16:26.960 to this? Like that's the genius of Norm. It's not 3046 02:16:27.039 --> 02:16:28.800 just like I made a joke about women drivers, Like 3047 02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:32.040 that's lazy comedy shit, you know, So, yeah, it's I 3048 02:16:32.760 --> 02:16:33.719 that's that's that's the. 3049 02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:34.520 Thing with Norm. 3050 02:16:34.639 --> 02:16:37.520 We always he was unpredictable, Like when he did the 3051 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:41.280 roast and he was he said really like kind of 3052 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:43.719 really neutral soft jokes towards it. 3053 02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:45.079 They were just joke. 3054 02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:48.079 Yeah, he was bombing on it, but like everyone expected, 3055 02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:49.760 like oh in a roast, Like I remember I went 3056 02:16:49.840 --> 02:16:52.319 into that thinking he's gonna tell the like craziest ship 3057 02:16:52.879 --> 02:16:55.879 every Cloris Leachman they say, you're over the hill, but 3058 02:16:55.959 --> 02:16:57.479 you'll never be over the hill, not in that car 3059 02:16:57.600 --> 02:17:00.040 you drive, like you know, it's just like the it 3060 02:17:00.159 --> 02:17:03.559 was like ancient jokes and everything, and just watching Greg 3061 02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:06.200 Giraldo and Godfried and all these guys look around like, 3062 02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:07.079 what the fuck. 3063 02:17:07.000 --> 02:17:07.520 Is he doing? 3064 02:17:07.600 --> 02:17:11.719 When the genius is that all these professional career comedians 3065 02:17:11.799 --> 02:17:13.840 are like, what is this guy doing right now? 3066 02:17:14.120 --> 02:17:16.479 Like that that's the genius of it, you know, I agree, 3067 02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:18.600 I think he was the king. 3068 02:17:18.760 --> 02:17:20.000 I think that's a good example. 3069 02:17:20.159 --> 02:17:22.760 But I think all of these examples there could be 3070 02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:25.159 people who take it too far. Probably I have one. 3071 02:17:26.079 --> 02:17:30.200 I have one more from the previous question. Again, once 3072 02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.159 you sit down with someone, Dan, I I I've talked 3073 02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:35.639 to a man about this. I generally don't like the 3074 02:17:35.680 --> 02:17:38.600 wrestling fan base. However, when you sat me down and 3075 02:17:38.680 --> 02:17:42.319 showed me all these historic, historic matches and like the backstory, 3076 02:17:42.319 --> 02:17:45.079 and I was like, I get it, Like I get 3077 02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:47.520 a peek into that world, and I totally understand how 3078 02:17:47.559 --> 02:17:52.760 you follow something get obsessed with it. Similarly, Mary, like 3079 02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:55.600 when all of us talk about stuff when we like 3080 02:17:55.840 --> 02:17:57.600 I and I talked to Jake, and I talked to 3081 02:17:57.879 --> 02:18:00.959 people who have been here, I get it, and I've 3082 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:03.399 been there now I get how people are obsessed with it. 3083 02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:07.319 But also, like generally speaking, people who are obsessed with Japan, 3084 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:12.239 I'm not okay. 3085 02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:18.319 I like the Japanese studies class in college and there 3086 02:18:18.399 --> 02:18:22.840 were a lot of flame shirts and you know, spiky hair. 3087 02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:26.479 And yeah, but again, and then I went to a 3088 02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:28.319 Soaka I was like, oh fuck, I fucking get it. 3089 02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:30.319 And then I went back again. I'm like, I get it. 3090 02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:32.239 And then we talked to Mary and I'm like, funk, 3091 02:18:32.239 --> 02:18:35.319 I'm jealous. You just went I loved Japan. When you 3092 02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:38.799 actually give, you know, the attention and time to something 3093 02:18:38.879 --> 02:18:41.440 that it deserves, it's to the fan base when they 3094 02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:43.799 actually want to like try to bring you in on it. 3095 02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:51.000 It's great, but it's actually pronounced oh sorry, but yeah. 3096 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:53.239 In terms of fan bases that I assume I'm gonna like, 3097 02:18:53.399 --> 02:19:02.319 I will say, trying to think of like shows, I 3098 02:19:02.360 --> 02:19:06.680 would definitely say, I'm curious if you guys hear that 3099 02:19:06.760 --> 02:19:08.280 someone's a fan of It's always Sonny, do you have 3100 02:19:08.280 --> 02:19:10.760 a preconceived notion of them? Or is that show kind 3101 02:19:10.799 --> 02:19:12.959 of neutral enough these days where it's big. 3102 02:19:13.200 --> 02:19:14.239 I think it's really hard. 3103 02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:17.239 I think people I don't like like It's always sunny, 3104 02:19:17.360 --> 02:19:20.799 because again I actually think, much like Norm, that show 3105 02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:23.280 is spicy as hell, and there are people who are 3106 02:19:23.319 --> 02:19:24.479 really superficial that are like. 3107 02:19:24.479 --> 02:19:25.680 I can't believe I did that show. 3108 02:19:25.799 --> 02:19:28.520 Yeah, they did, you know, racist jokes and they have 3109 02:19:28.639 --> 02:19:31.120 like really spicy episodes where they like do things you're 3110 02:19:31.159 --> 02:19:33.760 not supposed to be able to do, and they fuck 3111 02:19:33.840 --> 02:19:36.319 up that one guy who's like a priest, like ruined 3112 02:19:36.360 --> 02:19:42.079 his life. Yeahsom you can. You can enjoy that show 3113 02:19:42.120 --> 02:19:45.079 without understanding the nuance and the brilliance of the writers 3114 02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:47.760 and the direction that show is like brilliantly directed too. 3115 02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:49.920 I feel like that's not talked about enough, But I digress. 3116 02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:53.760 There are a lot of idiots that love it's always Sonny. 3117 02:19:54.559 --> 02:19:58.120 Oh yeah, for sure. I I tend to like, I 3118 02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:00.159 think it's I don't know if that's a matt of 3119 02:20:00.239 --> 02:20:02.040 me thinking they're gonna be cool, or think it's like, oh, 3120 02:20:02.120 --> 02:20:04.600 that's my kind of common ground with them as I 3121 02:20:04.639 --> 02:20:05.799 get to know them, or something like that. 3122 02:20:05.879 --> 02:20:10.040 Maybe, I mean, what a brilliant equalizer I have. I 3123 02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:14.200 have bonded over The Simpsons my entire life with people 3124 02:20:14.559 --> 02:20:17.879 of all backgrounds, of all ages, of all creeds, of 3125 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:21.680 all everything. Like, if you love the Simpsons, I have 3126 02:20:21.799 --> 02:20:23.760 a commonality with you, and I can talk to you 3127 02:20:23.840 --> 02:20:27.600 about very specific jokes from very specific episodes. It's locked 3128 02:20:27.639 --> 02:20:30.719 in and I will probably like that person a lot 3129 02:20:30.840 --> 02:20:33.600 better because we've bonded over those episodes, even if we 3130 02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:34.920 don't have anything else in common. 3131 02:20:35.719 --> 02:20:38.559 Mary, I think that's the best answer is because like, 3132 02:20:38.840 --> 02:20:41.239 especially like that speaks to a certain like, oh. 3133 02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:42.280 You grew up with the. 3134 02:20:43.799 --> 02:20:44.000 Work. 3135 02:20:44.000 --> 02:20:46.600 It was on all the fucking time, but. 3136 02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:49.799 It's also aged incredibly well, and all those jokes are 3137 02:20:49.840 --> 02:20:53.280 still really fucking funny, and like that if someone was 3138 02:20:53.319 --> 02:20:55.440 like a Simpsons could grown up, Like I feel like 3139 02:20:55.559 --> 02:20:57.319 Alex Navarro when I first started talking to him in 3140 02:20:57.360 --> 02:20:59.879 like two thousand and eight or whatever, It's just like, okay, 3141 02:21:00.120 --> 02:21:01.760 or Simpson's guys, yep, I totally get it. We can 3142 02:21:01.799 --> 02:21:03.360 we can make these references. You're going to get it. 3143 02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:05.639 So Mary, you're the same way with that. You know, 3144 02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:07.239 Michael's jock but whatever. 3145 02:21:07.360 --> 02:21:09.079 Yeah, he was too cool for school. 3146 02:21:09.399 --> 02:21:11.760 I think like this is something like to this day, 3147 02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:14.719 I send people Simpson gifts when like something bad or 3148 02:21:14.799 --> 02:21:18.319 good happens at work and there is like a person 3149 02:21:18.360 --> 02:21:20.719 who will like DM me and be like that was good, 3150 02:21:20.760 --> 02:21:22.600 and it's just like all right, we get it, we 3151 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.399 get it. I have I'll die with that, like I 3152 02:21:25.440 --> 02:21:27.799 will die with these Simpson references. It'll be a part 3153 02:21:27.840 --> 02:21:28.360 of me forever. 3154 02:21:29.120 --> 02:21:32.879 There's the last one. Mary, you'll appreciate this this time 3155 02:21:32.920 --> 02:21:38.520 of year, very specific thing. Anybody else who's as into 3156 02:21:38.600 --> 02:21:40.879 the movie the thing I'm. 3157 02:21:41.319 --> 02:21:42.600 They have to be cool, right. 3158 02:21:43.040 --> 02:21:45.840 I don't know that I've ever heard that someone loves 3159 02:21:45.959 --> 02:21:48.360 the thing, like loves it, like goes to see it 3160 02:21:48.399 --> 02:21:51.319 in theaters still in twenty twenty five, et cetera. And 3161 02:21:51.479 --> 02:21:53.799 I've been like, oh, they probably I probably won't get 3162 02:21:53.799 --> 02:21:56.159 along with them, Like I assume I will get along 3163 02:21:56.200 --> 02:21:59.120 with that person. If that's the case. I guess it's 3164 02:21:59.159 --> 02:22:02.319 just one of my times a certain responsibility. Yeah, Like, 3165 02:22:02.799 --> 02:22:05.079 and it's not it's not a pretentious movie too, So 3166 02:22:05.200 --> 02:22:07.559 like I don't think there's any chance there being pretentious 3167 02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:07.920 about it. 3168 02:22:08.399 --> 02:22:11.319 Yeah, I'll put mcgroober in that category. 3169 02:22:11.479 --> 02:22:14.079 Yeah, mcgoverer, I do you really like and get. 3170 02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:16.719 What makes mcgoover so exceptional? It's like, I'm just gonna 3171 02:22:16.959 --> 02:22:17.159 like you. 3172 02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:20.799 Yeah, I don't think you forget a lot about mcgrooover 3173 02:22:21.000 --> 02:22:21.840 to think I. 3174 02:22:22.040 --> 02:22:22.440 Kind of do. 3175 02:22:22.799 --> 02:22:23.680 I think you kind of do. 3176 02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:30.440 It's like, I don't know. I'm not going to it 3177 02:22:30.559 --> 02:22:32.520 this year because I fell asleep halfway through and Dan 3178 02:22:32.559 --> 02:22:34.719 put his finger like up to this fucking wrist in 3179 02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:35.280 my nose. 3180 02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:40.200 I came here, I will say. I will say, you 3181 02:22:40.360 --> 02:22:42.680 kind of rung the bell on macgoober. I feel like 3182 02:22:42.719 --> 02:22:45.120 people didn't talk about that anymore, and as it kind 3183 02:22:45.159 --> 02:22:48.120 of rises in popularity, I recognize that you were like 3184 02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:50.079 an original seer of that. 3185 02:22:50.680 --> 02:22:54.799 I think I'm maybe one of the loudest in Christopher 3186 02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:57.399 Nolan has done interviews talking about how much he loves mcgover. 3187 02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.559 But like, I've been yelling about it for fifty teen years, 3188 02:23:00.639 --> 02:23:02.360 about how it's the best comedy I've ever seen. So 3189 02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:06.280 I will take credit for a Groover's current cultural status. 3190 02:23:06.440 --> 02:23:10.639 I'll give you that one you should and the others. 3191 02:23:12.920 --> 02:23:15.079 All other content is worthless. 3192 02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:20.239 Okay, there's probably a lot of game other reason in 3193 02:23:20.319 --> 02:23:22.479 terms of like good or bad? 3194 02:23:22.719 --> 02:23:24.200 Are we on the are we on the bad? 3195 02:23:27.200 --> 02:23:27.600 I got one. 3196 02:23:27.639 --> 02:23:30.760 I just I can't help it say about it may 3197 02:23:30.840 --> 02:23:31.959 seem judgmental. 3198 02:23:32.120 --> 02:23:32.959 Anime or something. 3199 02:23:33.680 --> 02:23:37.200 I mean, it's worse. God, it's worse than anime. It's 3200 02:23:37.239 --> 02:23:41.760 like if I find out someone is like obsessed with 3201 02:23:42.159 --> 02:23:45.879 or deeply interested in Kingdom hearts. 3202 02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.040 Yeah, you were so surprised when I told you I 3203 02:23:50.200 --> 02:23:52.399 liked the first game right, like I would. 3204 02:23:52.920 --> 02:23:55.120 I've been friends with a lot of like Mike Manati 3205 02:23:55.159 --> 02:23:56.879 is one of my favorite human beings on the planet, 3206 02:23:56.959 --> 02:24:00.360 and he loves Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, but if if someone 3207 02:24:00.520 --> 02:24:03.559 is like a Kingdom Hearts person, they got to kind 3208 02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:04.840 of dig themselves out. 3209 02:24:04.719 --> 02:24:06.200 Of that hole a little bit with me. 3210 02:24:06.360 --> 02:24:09.959 You know, it's like, ooh, I'm gonna all right, I'm 3211 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:12.440 not going to immediately judge it, but like, yeah you did. 3212 02:24:12.680 --> 02:24:13.719 You got a longer way. 3213 02:24:13.639 --> 02:24:15.879 To go with me than if you hadn't said that. 3214 02:24:16.239 --> 02:24:18.680 Yeah. No, I remember I told you when I told 3215 02:24:18.719 --> 02:24:20.319 you that I have a soft spot for the first Game. 3216 02:24:20.959 --> 02:24:23.680 I don't like any other ones that much, but that 3217 02:24:23.760 --> 02:24:25.600 first game has a special place mare. But I didn't 3218 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.040 tell you that until we had been friends. 3219 02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:29.719 For glad you didn't otherwise our entire lives. I waited 3220 02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:31.040 this podcast wouldn't exist. 3221 02:24:31.120 --> 02:24:33.600 Yeah, I waited twelve years to tell you good because 3222 02:24:33.639 --> 02:24:35.840 we were talking about Nadi. But that brings me to 3223 02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:38.200 my next one. And I know this has been controversial 3224 02:24:38.440 --> 02:24:41.360 on this show before, and I'm trying to come around 3225 02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:43.559 on it because people have pointed out like, oh, people 3226 02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:46.520 can like things you don't like, but I if someone 3227 02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:51.719 is uh thirty or older and still obsessed with Disney, 3228 02:24:52.159 --> 02:24:52.959 I am going. 3229 02:24:52.840 --> 02:24:54.799 To you're going this way, I'm going to. 3230 02:24:54.959 --> 02:24:57.120 Judge you, and I I'm not saying it's good that 3231 02:24:57.159 --> 02:24:59.920 I'm judging you. I'm not saying it's good if in fact, 3232 02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:02.159 I'm gonna come out and say it's bad on me 3233 02:25:02.360 --> 02:25:03.479 for judging them right away. 3234 02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:05.360 But but shame on me. 3235 02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:08.840 It's probably a defense mechanism. I have learned to distrust 3236 02:25:08.879 --> 02:25:12.280 those people because they don't fit into my lifestyle and 3237 02:25:12.479 --> 02:25:15.879 my circles of friends. You ever, but I have like 3238 02:25:15.959 --> 02:25:19.280 some family members who I love, love to kibbles and 3239 02:25:19.319 --> 02:25:20.559 bits and the kids. 3240 02:25:21.000 --> 02:25:26.440 Yeah, okay, that makes it a little better. I try 3241 02:25:26.520 --> 02:25:30.799 to be reasonable about this. Despite my knee jerk reaction 3242 02:25:31.040 --> 02:25:33.639 of being like, oh that's weird, I think like. 3243 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:36.719 Oh, okaying me and you are being very noble about this. 3244 02:25:37.280 --> 02:25:40.079 We're being noble and smart and respectable people here. 3245 02:25:40.120 --> 02:25:40.319 Yeah. 3246 02:25:40.360 --> 02:25:42.760 Yeah, I fucking love Mario. 3247 02:25:43.280 --> 02:25:45.639 If you were like a normy, if you were just 3248 02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:48.399 somebody who doesn't know shit about Disney or followed it 3249 02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:50.600 like it's the last time you engage with Nintendo or 3250 02:25:50.639 --> 02:25:54.040 Disney was in nineteen eighty eight, and you put me, 3251 02:25:54.559 --> 02:25:57.639 who's obsessed with Mario and Donkey Kong and all these things, 3252 02:25:57.719 --> 02:26:00.079 and Mike Manatti, who will also Mario and Donkey and 3253 02:26:00.079 --> 02:26:02.719 all those things. But more importantly the Disney thing. I 3254 02:26:02.879 --> 02:26:05.479 don't think it would look that different. I think they 3255 02:26:05.520 --> 02:26:08.280 would look at it as like media that is for kids. 3256 02:26:10.280 --> 02:26:13.559 And I understand that, like I am a thousand percent 3257 02:26:15.479 --> 02:26:17.280 whatever you want to call I will own that. 3258 02:26:17.879 --> 02:26:21.600 It's just the Disney thing is I know, we've talked 3259 02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:23.120 about it, but it's just. 3260 02:26:23.360 --> 02:26:27.799 Uh, people, if you don't have our hobbies are freakishly weird. 3261 02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:30.719 Like I have family members that are like, are you. 3262 02:26:30.760 --> 02:26:33.159 Still playing all those video games? 3263 02:26:33.319 --> 02:26:35.719 And they you guys, you guys are in the video 3264 02:26:35.840 --> 02:26:38.680 games and Disney. I'm in the wine. 3265 02:26:39.879 --> 02:26:42.239 And when it's the only cultured one. 3266 02:26:43.959 --> 02:26:47.719 Yeah, Marror, you're probably the most I don't know welcoming 3267 02:26:47.959 --> 02:26:52.040 is the word, but like even like like a del 3268 02:26:52.399 --> 02:26:56.159 she's in games, right, but even like like a K 3269 02:26:56.280 --> 02:26:59.000 Pop demon Hunter's thing, it's like, do you have me 3270 02:26:59.120 --> 02:27:01.440 watch it? And like I was kind of like, I see, 3271 02:27:01.959 --> 02:27:04.399 I get it. Okay, yeah, this is well made. This 3272 02:27:04.479 --> 02:27:06.520 is well made. And then you see the level of 3273 02:27:06.760 --> 02:27:10.120 just like what a phenomenon it's been like with adults 3274 02:27:10.200 --> 02:27:12.760 and stuff and like singing the songs and stuff. I 3275 02:27:12.840 --> 02:27:14.319 could not tell you a gun to my head what 3276 02:27:14.479 --> 02:27:17.280 any of those songs were or characters or I just 3277 02:27:17.280 --> 02:27:19.239 remember like, yeah, they did a good job with that movie, 3278 02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:22.040 like dre seeing like adults be obsessed with the stuff. 3279 02:27:22.120 --> 02:27:22.719 I just can't. 3280 02:27:23.799 --> 02:27:28.479 Adults in Brooklyn are are donning merch with kpe Op 3281 02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:29.479 Dema Hunters left and right. 3282 02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:32.319 They love it. I mean, it's a cultural zeitgeist thing 3283 02:27:32.399 --> 02:27:34.399 at this it is. I just wanted you to jump 3284 02:27:34.479 --> 02:27:37.600 on the wave. I think I like can respect quality 3285 02:27:38.120 --> 02:27:40.079 and so even though that also I was like this 3286 02:27:40.200 --> 02:27:41.639 is the leap of faith for me personally. 3287 02:27:41.719 --> 02:27:45.319 But I was like, animation is so good, songs are catchy. 3288 02:27:45.840 --> 02:27:47.239 I was like, I'm fine with this. 3289 02:27:47.479 --> 02:27:49.680 I can accept this, even though it's not something I 3290 02:27:49.719 --> 02:27:53.559 would usually go down into like and be like really into. 3291 02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:55.079 But like I feel that way about a lot of 3292 02:27:55.120 --> 02:27:57.639 Disney films too, where I'm like, this doesn't seem like 3293 02:27:57.719 --> 02:27:59.360 it's going to be something I love, But every once 3294 02:27:59.360 --> 02:27:59.920 in a while. 3295 02:28:00.000 --> 02:28:02.639 Disney film like totally gets me and I'm like this 3296 02:28:02.840 --> 02:28:03.200 is great. 3297 02:28:03.319 --> 02:28:05.600 I'm glad I watched this even though I'm not eight, 3298 02:28:05.799 --> 02:28:09.159 so everyone can appreciate a good Disney film. 3299 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:13.280 I will never deny the obvious quality and artistry that 3300 02:28:13.360 --> 02:28:15.760 goes into Disney, like Disney, Pixar all that. You know, 3301 02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:19.200 like clearly they're extremely well made. But as an adult 3302 02:28:19.680 --> 02:28:23.200 who's just like, oh, everyone's talking about Wally, is this 3303 02:28:23.360 --> 02:28:27.000 transcendent piece of film. I saw Wally and I left 3304 02:28:27.159 --> 02:28:29.559 and I'm like, yeah, they probably did a good job 3305 02:28:29.639 --> 02:28:32.200 on that. And then, like you know, twenty years later whatever, 3306 02:28:32.239 --> 02:28:34.920 people are still talking about, like it's the fucking Chinatown, 3307 02:28:35.040 --> 02:28:37.799 you know, it's it's That's the thing I don't really get. 3308 02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:40.520 Yeah, it's a good good you can hear it. 3309 02:28:41.840 --> 02:28:43.360 What is China? 3310 02:28:43.479 --> 02:28:43.840 I'm saying. 3311 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:45.600 The way people talk about it is like how did 3312 02:28:45.639 --> 02:28:47.920 you you were not your life was changed and moved 3313 02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:49.559 by Wally. It was like, I don't know, it was 3314 02:28:49.600 --> 02:28:54.040 a robot. And then they were like the animation was good, whatever, it. 3315 02:28:54.120 --> 02:28:54.760 Wasn't that deep. 3316 02:28:55.360 --> 02:28:57.399 Yeah, Like again, if you if you have kids and stuff, 3317 02:28:57.440 --> 02:28:59.440 it's like, oh, my kids are really into this and everything. 3318 02:28:59.479 --> 02:29:02.000 But like, I just can't imagine being affected by a 3319 02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:04.120 Disney movie or a Pixar movie. 3320 02:29:04.200 --> 02:29:05.079 Like as an adult, you. 3321 02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:08.920 Know, Pixar, I will go to bat for Pixar over Disney, 3322 02:29:09.040 --> 02:29:10.000 but that's. 3323 02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:11.600 I would pick them over. I mean, I guess I'll 3324 02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:14.399 have really seen this Toy Story but yeah, yeah, and 3325 02:29:14.479 --> 02:29:15.239 like Toy Story. 3326 02:29:15.079 --> 02:29:16.159 Like they're all good movies. 3327 02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:18.799 I remember, like Hanson was yelling at me about seeing 3328 02:29:18.920 --> 02:29:21.440 Toy Story three and The Incredibles for like most of 3329 02:29:21.479 --> 02:29:22.079 the time we worked. 3330 02:29:22.440 --> 02:29:24.440 Incredibles is his like favorite movie, right. 3331 02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:27.639 Probably he's also obsessed with Incredible. 3332 02:29:27.719 --> 02:29:30.440 Yeah, there's something about dress Bar. I would guess he 3333 02:29:30.479 --> 02:29:32.440 would friend. 3334 02:29:33.920 --> 02:29:35.600 An. I don't know if he would. 3335 02:29:35.399 --> 02:29:37.479 Say, what my favorite movie of all time? Well, I 3336 02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:38.440 made him watch it with me, but. 3337 02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:40.399 It's fucking mcgrib We all know. 3338 02:29:42.440 --> 02:29:43.559 Bocklips now is my. 3339 02:29:43.639 --> 02:29:44.879 Favorite movie movie? 3340 02:29:45.079 --> 02:29:48.319 The kill They kill a boat full of puppies. I'm 3341 02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:58.239 an alude, that's me that's ad about the war that 3342 02:29:58.360 --> 02:30:01.239 he cares more about surfing and he means face. 3343 02:30:02.479 --> 02:30:05.440 Joins our list of media that we don't like the 3344 02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:07.079 people who love that film. 3345 02:30:08.559 --> 02:30:10.639 Yeah no, but I did. 3346 02:30:10.719 --> 02:30:12.959 That's to say that, like I finally have for years 3347 02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:15.600 of em bugging me, watch Toy Story three and The Incredibles, 3348 02:30:16.040 --> 02:30:18.719 and my only memory is the credits roll and me 3349 02:30:18.799 --> 02:30:21.479 being like, yeah, I get those those seemed like they 3350 02:30:21.559 --> 02:30:24.000 were well. I couldn't tell you a single fucking thing 3351 02:30:24.040 --> 02:30:25.799 that happened in either one of those movies, but I 3352 02:30:25.840 --> 02:30:28.479 remember the like, ah, they're fine, you know, like again 3353 02:30:28.479 --> 02:30:31.120 if I have kids and stuff, But to be super 3354 02:30:31.159 --> 02:30:33.879 affected by it as someone over the age of like ten, 3355 02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:36.000 I don't really understand, you know that. 3356 02:30:37.159 --> 02:30:38.639 I guess the last thing I want to say is 3357 02:30:38.719 --> 02:30:40.879 there It's funny when you run into someone who's a 3358 02:30:40.959 --> 02:30:43.319 part who's also a fan of the thing you are, 3359 02:30:44.920 --> 02:30:47.520 there's always that moment of like feeling each other out. 3360 02:30:47.959 --> 02:30:51.360 I think, where are you really cool? I'm using wine 3361 02:30:51.360 --> 02:30:54.520 as an example because I will say even I, when 3362 02:30:54.559 --> 02:30:56.600 I first find out someone's into wine, this is how 3363 02:30:56.680 --> 02:30:59.239 much I the fan base can be stand or can 3364 02:30:59.319 --> 02:31:01.959 push me away. When I first find out someone's super 3365 02:31:02.040 --> 02:31:04.479 into wine. And this is why I'm so self aware 3366 02:31:04.680 --> 02:31:07.680 of how it makes me look. I automatically assume I'm 3367 02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:10.360 gonna be like, Oh, they're probably gonna be a bit 3368 02:31:10.479 --> 02:31:12.600 stuck up about it. They're probably gonna be a bit. 3369 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:15.840 They're gonna be a bit they need to prove that 3370 02:31:15.920 --> 02:31:18.280 they are the biggest wine fan, and the fans are 3371 02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:21.840 the biggest, the most knowledgeable person in the room. However, 3372 02:31:22.360 --> 02:31:23.959 then I get to know people and like I kind 3373 02:31:23.959 --> 02:31:27.440 of you know, you do that like that sussing out period, 3374 02:31:27.440 --> 02:31:28.760 and then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, no, 3375 02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:30.920 they're they're into it in the same way I am. 3376 02:31:31.040 --> 02:31:34.000 It's like, no, if anything, we're trying to make it less, 3377 02:31:35.479 --> 02:31:38.280 put the bring the walls down, because there's actually really 3378 02:31:38.319 --> 02:31:40.520 fucking cool aspects about it, and a lot of people 3379 02:31:40.600 --> 02:31:42.840 do making wine around the world are some of the 3380 02:31:42.920 --> 02:31:45.479 coolest fucking people in the world and want to share that. 3381 02:31:46.040 --> 02:31:48.239 But there's still a lot of people who have different 3382 02:31:48.479 --> 02:31:51.559 motives and it's such a big world where there's gonna 3383 02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:54.440 be yeah, people coming from every angle possible. 3384 02:31:54.200 --> 02:31:56.799 That I mean, I can't tell you like I struggle 3385 02:31:56.799 --> 02:31:58.760 with it with games, but I do kind of stay away. 3386 02:31:58.840 --> 02:32:01.159 Like here's difference in like games in wrestling. Thing is 3387 02:32:01.239 --> 02:32:04.040 like whenever I see like the bullshit like gaming controversies 3388 02:32:04.120 --> 02:32:06.559 and stuff, it's so embarrassing, but like I don't really 3389 02:32:06.760 --> 02:32:09.920 see it. It exists on like Twitter and YouTube comment 3390 02:32:09.920 --> 02:32:11.840 and stuff that I don't really see. I'll hear about 3391 02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:14.120 it and be like that's stupid, Whereas like for wrestling, 3392 02:32:14.600 --> 02:32:18.799 I am sitting in a crowd with anywhere between I 3393 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:21.239 don't know, a thousand people and one hundred thousand people, 3394 02:32:21.520 --> 02:32:22.879 and I look around and I see the way some 3395 02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:25.040 of these people act, and it's just like there have 3396 02:32:25.079 --> 02:32:27.319 been so many times I've been surrounded by people where 3397 02:32:27.319 --> 02:32:30.079 it's like, boy, I don't know, do I like this sucks? 3398 02:32:30.159 --> 02:32:32.120 Like I don't even know if like this it's not 3399 02:32:32.159 --> 02:32:35.159 gonna turn me against the art of wrestling or anything 3400 02:32:35.239 --> 02:32:35.399 like that. 3401 02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:35.879 But like. 3402 02:32:37.559 --> 02:32:39.799 You know, from just you know, misogynistic stuff for just 3403 02:32:39.840 --> 02:32:41.879 shitty you know, chants and stuff like that, to like 3404 02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:43.680 just dumb stuff where it's like I'm going to an 3405 02:32:43.760 --> 02:32:46.479 NXT show once and Simojoe was wrestling. I know, you 3406 02:32:46.559 --> 02:32:50.479 guys aren't wrestling people. You know, Smojoe Man's a fucking tank. 3407 02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:53.520 He's he's fucking awesome, like and he would beat the 3408 02:32:53.520 --> 02:32:55.959 shit out of anyone. And I'm sitting next to a 3409 02:32:56.000 --> 02:32:58.799 guy at this NXC crowd and like this guy that 3410 02:32:58.959 --> 02:33:01.959 just you know, morbidly ob and is sitting there and like, 3411 02:33:02.079 --> 02:33:04.319 Simo Joe is one of the best wrestlers in the world, 3412 02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:06.840 and the entire match. All he's doing is shitting on 3413 02:33:06.959 --> 02:33:09.680 Joe and just being like you fucking you're a wrestler, Like, 3414 02:33:09.799 --> 02:33:12.200 work on your cardio, Joe, work on your cardios, Like 3415 02:33:13.440 --> 02:33:14.040 this guy. 3416 02:33:15.879 --> 02:33:20.440 Fucking a muscle. What are you fucking talking about? 3417 02:33:20.600 --> 02:33:22.040 Or like, you know, I've seen so much shit with 3418 02:33:22.120 --> 02:33:24.959 like female wrestlers and stuff and people chanting stuff about 3419 02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:27.280 who they're fucking are, like you know, page if the 3420 02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:28.760 sex tape came out, and like all this stuff and 3421 02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:31.319 like just see people being really fucking gross and shitty, 3422 02:33:31.840 --> 02:33:34.399 and uh, that's the thing is Like with wrestling, it's 3423 02:33:34.440 --> 02:33:36.639 more visible for me because I have to sit in 3424 02:33:36.760 --> 02:33:40.120 a crowd around them sometimes, and with video games it 3425 02:33:40.200 --> 02:33:42.959 just kind of exists outside of my blinders, you know. 3426 02:33:43.280 --> 02:33:45.239 So yeah, yeah, I mean they're both. 3427 02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:50.399 No. I brought it up because it's tough. I wish 3428 02:33:50.479 --> 02:33:54.639 I could do more to bring down that those stereotypes, 3429 02:33:55.479 --> 02:33:58.600 you know and one felt swoop, But I can't because 3430 02:33:59.360 --> 02:34:02.360 they stem from somewhere and these people still exist out 3431 02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:05.920 there and I run into them all the time at 3432 02:34:06.200 --> 02:34:09.360 a company where I work. It's like, you see it, 3433 02:34:10.399 --> 02:34:13.559 we take, you know, pains to try to make it 3434 02:34:13.600 --> 02:34:16.760 approachable and on Fridays. If you wear a Hawaiian shirt 3435 02:34:16.799 --> 02:34:18.959 into the bar, you get a discount. Literally, it's all 3436 02:34:19.280 --> 02:34:21.600 off Fridays, Like we do stuff like that all the time. 3437 02:34:21.639 --> 02:34:23.559 I'm literally hosting a Smash Bros. Tournament. 3438 02:34:23.719 --> 02:34:24.479 That's what I was gonna say. 3439 02:34:24.520 --> 02:34:27.040 If it was a legitimately pretentious place, they wouldn't let 3440 02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:28.360 you host a Smash Brothers turnament. 3441 02:34:28.399 --> 02:34:30.959 So so, but then you also get people in there 3442 02:34:30.959 --> 02:34:32.680 who like, know, our seller is really good. We have 3443 02:34:32.879 --> 02:34:35.319 like twenty five hundred bottles, We have really good wines. 3444 02:34:35.360 --> 02:34:37.079 We have stuff you can't find anywhere else in the city. 3445 02:34:37.120 --> 02:34:41.200 They come in and there are the people who many 3446 02:34:41.239 --> 02:34:43.280 people who go in there are more knowledgeable by wine 3447 02:34:43.319 --> 02:34:45.920 than me. And many of them really want me to 3448 02:34:46.079 --> 02:34:49.600 know it. And no, I shouldn't say many a bunch 3449 02:34:49.680 --> 02:34:51.399 of them want me to know it, and they want 3450 02:34:51.440 --> 02:34:53.040 the table that they're with to know it, and they 3451 02:34:53.079 --> 02:34:55.079 want their date to know it. And those are the 3452 02:34:55.159 --> 02:34:57.159 kind of people who give it a bad name. And like, 3453 02:34:57.520 --> 02:35:00.879 it's kind of this endless battle. Again, I don't blame 3454 02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:06.280 people for having the preconceptions of about it that they 3455 02:35:06.360 --> 02:35:08.440 come from somewhere, because there are people like that out there. 3456 02:35:09.479 --> 02:35:12.719 Yeah, it kind of feels like just this like completely, 3457 02:35:12.879 --> 02:35:14.520 like I don't have opposite the word, but like you know, 3458 02:35:14.600 --> 02:35:17.200 with the wrestling thing, where it's like wrestling everyone assumes 3459 02:35:17.280 --> 02:35:19.920 they're total idiots, and with wine people they assume they're 3460 02:35:19.920 --> 02:35:22.440 all pretentious and things like that, and it's like if 3461 02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:25.120 you exist somewhere, not on the extremes, it's. 3462 02:35:25.040 --> 02:35:28.879 Just kind of thing where you see the compute. Yeah, yeah, I. 3463 02:35:28.879 --> 02:35:33.120 Think also, I like sometimes it resonates with me, just 3464 02:35:33.280 --> 02:35:36.159 the idea that the things you hate and other people 3465 02:35:36.239 --> 02:35:40.319 are often the things you hate in yourself. Yeah, there's 3466 02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:43.239 a self reflection that can be lost on people when 3467 02:35:43.280 --> 02:35:45.520 they're like, oh, do you know wine as good as me? 3468 02:35:45.639 --> 02:35:46.639 And it's like, who hurt you. 3469 02:35:47.159 --> 02:35:50.280 That said that you didn't belong here, because you do. 3470 02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:52.879 If you like wine, you do belong here. And I 3471 02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:55.000 feel the same way about every genre. 3472 02:35:54.799 --> 02:35:56.600 Like we can peek out right now if you want. 3473 02:35:56.719 --> 02:35:59.479 You're a gamer unless you play it on expert mode, 3474 02:35:59.479 --> 02:36:02.280 and it's like, babe, like it's not that deep, And 3475 02:36:02.399 --> 02:36:04.520 I feel bad for you that you felt like you 3476 02:36:04.600 --> 02:36:07.920 weren't a good enough gamer because you didn't you weren't 3477 02:36:07.920 --> 02:36:10.239 able to beat that game that one time, and so 3478 02:36:10.399 --> 02:36:12.879 now now you're hurt and like that that's sad. 3479 02:36:13.719 --> 02:36:16.000 I think about that and like not to get like 3480 02:36:16.159 --> 02:36:19.639 introspective or whatever three hours into a podcast here here, it's. 3481 02:36:19.520 --> 02:36:25.799 Gone, way to run fucking show. 3482 02:36:26.639 --> 02:36:28.799 This is something I've realized a lot. Or it's like 3483 02:36:29.200 --> 02:36:31.040 I think you guys can both attest. I'm not an 3484 02:36:31.079 --> 02:36:34.079 angry person. I'm not someone who ever wants to get 3485 02:36:34.120 --> 02:36:36.280 in a fight. I've never thrown a punch or you know, 3486 02:36:36.360 --> 02:36:38.680 like stuff like that, Like I'm not that's not me. 3487 02:36:38.760 --> 02:36:42.879 I'm not an angry guy. There is one like again, 3488 02:36:42.959 --> 02:36:45.120 my father, you know how much I fucking love him 3489 02:36:45.159 --> 02:36:47.120 and bring on stuff and I have a complicated relationship, 3490 02:36:47.159 --> 02:36:50.079 but ultimately love the guy. He is the one person 3491 02:36:50.440 --> 02:36:54.799 when he is being extremely stubborn or just make no 3492 02:36:55.040 --> 02:36:57.079 fucking sense or just like just you know, just something 3493 02:36:57.079 --> 02:36:59.280 he's driving me insane about what he's saying or what 3494 02:36:59.360 --> 02:37:02.520 he's doing, that I will feel that kind of like 3495 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:04.399 just like I can fucking punch you in the face 3496 02:37:04.479 --> 02:37:06.719 right now, like I just and I've never felt that 3497 02:37:06.920 --> 02:37:11.360 in my life about anyone. And it's like it does 3498 02:37:11.479 --> 02:37:14.479 like make you kind of think that thing of like, uh, okay, 3499 02:37:14.639 --> 02:37:16.680 I think I'm still kind of struggling with like I 3500 02:37:16.840 --> 02:37:19.040 still have you know, I've been trying to kind of 3501 02:37:20.280 --> 02:37:24.479 you know, recognize and remove the things that I from 3502 02:37:24.559 --> 02:37:27.040 myself that I see from him over all these years 3503 02:37:27.040 --> 02:37:29.000 and everything, and then I'll still kind of see it, 3504 02:37:29.159 --> 02:37:31.280 and I think I'll maybe still see some of myself 3505 02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:33.799 in there, and I think I get angry because of that, 3506 02:37:33.959 --> 02:37:35.559 because like that's the only thing that I like. 3507 02:37:36.040 --> 02:37:37.520 He's my father. I love him to death. 3508 02:37:37.760 --> 02:37:39.959 But it's like I will get like worked up and 3509 02:37:40.040 --> 02:37:41.319 be like I could throw a punch right now, and 3510 02:37:41.360 --> 02:37:43.559 it's like, oh, probably because I think I probably still 3511 02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:44.120 do some of that. 3512 02:37:44.360 --> 02:37:46.840 That you can control yourself ultimately, and you can recognize 3513 02:37:46.840 --> 02:37:48.799 it in yourself when you're doing those things, and then 3514 02:37:48.879 --> 02:37:51.559 you can stop it. So then when you see someone 3515 02:37:51.639 --> 02:37:54.479 else doing the things that you have the impulse to 3516 02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:56.040 do yet control. 3517 02:37:56.159 --> 02:38:00.600 Yeah, you can't do this. You can't realize what you're saying. 3518 02:38:00.639 --> 02:38:03.559 The only way you ran in the face. Yeah, yeah, 3519 02:38:03.559 --> 02:38:08.719 it's it's frustrating. Yes, yeah, but yeah, thank you, thank 3520 02:38:08.719 --> 02:38:09.079 you Phil. 3521 02:38:09.920 --> 02:38:11.959 Thanks Phil. Let me go think about my life. 3522 02:38:12.040 --> 02:38:20.280 Oh who's this? Who's better to read this? Either one? 3523 02:38:20.479 --> 02:38:23.840 Either you could read this? Who wants to read it. Actually, yeah, 3524 02:38:23.840 --> 02:38:26.840 it's from uh it's it's from your neighboring state. I 3525 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:30.000 guess uh lewis LOI. 3526 02:38:31.959 --> 02:38:38.440 Yeah, Hey, mister Crappin and Friendshi Hello with mister With 3527 02:38:38.719 --> 02:38:43.559 Mister yot With had some beers with Yota in the 3528 02:38:43.639 --> 02:38:47.040 current gaming discussion and the inevitable comparison to its predecessor, 3529 02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:49.479 I lament as I have the past few years the 3530 02:38:49.559 --> 02:38:53.040 lack of recognition for Sushima's amazing multiplayer mode. At it 3531 02:38:53.079 --> 02:38:55.079 as a free post on She'll See. I've invested the 3532 02:38:55.120 --> 02:38:56.399 majority of my time in that game with my. 3533 02:38:56.399 --> 02:38:59.479 Friend ever played it not the multiplayer. 3534 02:38:59.559 --> 02:39:02.959 Of four player wave based mode with multiple difficulty levels 3535 02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:07.479 culminating in nightmare gear based leveling, build crafting in class based, 3536 02:39:07.559 --> 02:39:09.879 but it sounds like Randy pitch redier player choices that 3537 02:39:10.079 --> 02:39:13.040 promote skills, synergies, and teamwork in addition to a two 3538 02:39:13.159 --> 02:39:16.000 v two mode that plays like a third person Tetris attack, 3539 02:39:16.319 --> 02:39:19.000 all the amazing combat mechanics of Sushima with Friends set 3540 02:39:19.040 --> 02:39:21.680 against the supernatural backdrop with demons. My question for you 3541 02:39:22.200 --> 02:39:25.719 is what other primarily single player games have had great 3542 02:39:25.799 --> 02:39:28.399 multiplayer modes that you feel warn't appreciate it enough. Another 3543 02:39:28.440 --> 02:39:30.959 example that springs to mind is Dragon Age Inquisitions four 3544 02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:33.520 player dungeon diving. Thanks to keep you great content coming. 3545 02:39:33.559 --> 02:39:36.399 That is Kent from Saint Louis, Missouri. PS, keep shitting 3546 02:39:36.479 --> 02:39:40.520 on my great state. I get a friction of excitement 3547 02:39:40.639 --> 02:39:43.159 every time you mentioned how bad this place is. Missouri 3548 02:39:43.360 --> 02:39:46.360 is a garbage state, probably the worst in the entire nation. 3549 02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:51.040 I have enough there myself to uh to say, I'm 3550 02:39:51.040 --> 02:39:55.440 not the biggest fan either. It was all the Southwest men. Sorry, yes, 3551 02:39:55.879 --> 02:39:59.319 got Sushima's mode they added with the DLCs. Fucking awesome. 3552 02:39:59.360 --> 02:40:02.159 What was it called? There was like legends, Yeah, yeah, 3553 02:40:02.159 --> 02:40:03.639 we did it on a stream and it was like 3554 02:40:03.719 --> 02:40:04.440 it was really good. 3555 02:40:04.600 --> 02:40:07.280 It was. It's fucking rad. The progression was amazing, Like 3556 02:40:07.559 --> 02:40:10.319 you're basically thrust into almost like years of war Horde, 3557 02:40:10.360 --> 02:40:12.280 but you are the attackers and then you have to 3558 02:40:12.319 --> 02:40:14.959 figure out how to approach it with different classes. Oh, 3559 02:40:14.959 --> 02:40:18.680 it's amazing, and uh, each of the classes had such 3560 02:40:18.719 --> 02:40:21.280 a good progression tree. It felt like, I don't know, 3561 02:40:21.319 --> 02:40:23.360 almost like as deep as a single Some single player 3562 02:40:23.399 --> 02:40:26.239 games really good. But I love this question because I 3563 02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:30.879 actually asked this of people. A lot games are primarily 3564 02:40:30.920 --> 02:40:34.280 single player that have this like kind of way better 3565 02:40:34.360 --> 02:40:36.159 than it needs to be multiplayer mode. 3566 02:40:36.239 --> 02:40:38.079 People would say you are tacked on, like I feel 3567 02:40:38.079 --> 02:40:39.280 like Buiershock two kind of got. 3568 02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:41.639 That boats Shock two. I will also say Resistance to 3569 02:40:42.120 --> 02:40:44.600 that three player co op mode that it had. There 3570 02:40:44.639 --> 02:40:47.120 were three character classes and it was way more in 3571 02:40:47.239 --> 02:40:51.520 depth than anybody needed to make. They had the spec Ops, 3572 02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:53.239 they had the Medic, and they had the Assault, and 3573 02:40:53.360 --> 02:40:56.120 me and my brothers we just like dabbled in it 3574 02:40:56.159 --> 02:40:58.520 because I just finally the PS three was not new, 3575 02:40:58.600 --> 02:41:00.239 but I just finally got a PS three and we 3576 02:41:00.280 --> 02:41:02.239 were all home for Christmas, and I was like, let's 3577 02:41:02.239 --> 02:41:06.559 try this out. I've been playing Resistance too from Insomniac. 3578 02:41:06.600 --> 02:41:08.760 They did Bratchet Client, etc. They're like, oh cool, I 3579 02:41:08.799 --> 02:41:10.479 didn't know they were going more mature with this game, 3580 02:41:10.559 --> 02:41:13.120 so whatever. So we played it and then we were 3581 02:41:13.159 --> 02:41:14.879 getting our ass kicked. If you played it, you know 3582 02:41:14.959 --> 02:41:16.840 it can be tough. We were all spec Ops because 3583 02:41:16.840 --> 02:41:19.680 they were the DPS class, and then I was like, well, 3584 02:41:19.719 --> 02:41:22.120 maybe we should try playing all three classes. And then 3585 02:41:22.239 --> 02:41:25.879 of course that was us as a family's introduction to 3586 02:41:26.079 --> 02:41:31.520 like role based multiplayer co op sure where you couldn't 3587 02:41:31.559 --> 02:41:34.879 all just be the same class and get through. So 3588 02:41:35.079 --> 02:41:37.920 then I started playing the the Metic, my brother started 3589 02:41:37.920 --> 02:41:40.079 playing the Tank the Soldier. I think it was and like, 3590 02:41:40.120 --> 02:41:41.639 you really do need to play all through class and 3591 02:41:41.799 --> 02:41:45.440 it was such a well designed co op experience. Resistance 3592 02:41:45.479 --> 02:41:46.879 Too is one of the ones I point to all 3593 02:41:46.920 --> 02:41:51.680 the time, along with Sushima. Mass Effect three's co op 3594 02:41:51.719 --> 02:41:55.920 Hormone was amazing. And then what's the last one I had? Mine? 3595 02:41:56.000 --> 02:41:56.120 Oh? 3596 02:41:57.799 --> 02:42:00.639 Oh, I think we talked about this. You can hack enemies, 3597 02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:05.280 they're they're like brain chips, you can curve bullets. I 3598 02:42:05.399 --> 02:42:07.920 want to say Gershman was a huge fan of the shooter. 3599 02:42:07.719 --> 02:42:11.479 At the first first personularity. No, it's I know what 3600 02:42:11.479 --> 02:42:14.600 you're talking about. Starts as an as I thought. Not 3601 02:42:14.680 --> 02:42:16.600 same people are not saying to me in their cars 3602 02:42:16.680 --> 02:42:18.840 right now, is it might be saying I think Conneticut. 3603 02:42:18.479 --> 02:42:20.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that game was. That game was 3604 02:42:20.559 --> 02:42:23.280 awesome too, Like you're you you can hack ais like 3605 02:42:23.840 --> 02:42:28.280 almost like uh, Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven style. I had multiplayer, yeah, 3606 02:42:28.399 --> 02:42:30.319 co op mode, like uh, I don't I think it 3607 02:42:30.399 --> 02:42:34.559 was separate from the It was definitely separate experience, like 3608 02:42:34.600 --> 02:42:37.479 these other games from the single player, but it had it. Yeah, 3609 02:42:39.079 --> 02:42:40.159 those are the ones that come to mind. 3610 02:42:40.719 --> 02:42:42.799 I Uh, the first one that comes to mind for 3611 02:42:42.879 --> 02:42:45.159 me is kind of weird because the multiplayer was loved 3612 02:42:45.280 --> 02:42:48.319 and perfect dark you know, the campaign was great. 3613 02:42:48.719 --> 02:42:49.559 Multiplayer is great. 3614 02:42:49.600 --> 02:42:51.399 But the thing I think people never talk about though 3615 02:42:51.399 --> 02:42:54.360 was great was a multiplayer mode based on the campaign. 3616 02:42:54.760 --> 02:42:57.520 So you could do counter op mode where let's say 3617 02:42:57.600 --> 02:43:00.920 I am playing as Joanna going from level to level 3618 02:43:01.040 --> 02:43:04.000 just like it is in the campaign, and then Mary 3619 02:43:04.239 --> 02:43:07.920 you could play as any enemy on the level, so 3620 02:43:08.079 --> 02:43:10.639 like where the actual enemy n PCs would be in everything, 3621 02:43:10.920 --> 02:43:12.440 and you could like, you know, if you get killed, 3622 02:43:12.959 --> 02:43:15.399 you could, you know it swap to the next one 3623 02:43:15.520 --> 02:43:17.600 or whatever. And you can like shove like there were 3624 02:43:17.639 --> 02:43:19.840 physics and stuff. You could shove a couch in front 3625 02:43:19.840 --> 02:43:21.719 of a door or whatever, so like, oh, I think 3626 02:43:21.760 --> 02:43:23.440 I'm gonna go plowing through this door and everything, but 3627 02:43:23.479 --> 02:43:24.879 you put a thing there and you get a chance 3628 02:43:24.920 --> 02:43:26.760 to shoot me and everything. Like the idea of like 3629 02:43:27.079 --> 02:43:29.639 a single player campaign where somebody can be the bad 3630 02:43:29.760 --> 02:43:32.280 guys and fuck with you. Like I thought that was 3631 02:43:32.319 --> 02:43:34.159 really cool and no one ever really talked about it. Wait, sorry, 3632 02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:38.440 this perfect dark from the sixty four Fuck. I don't 3633 02:43:38.440 --> 02:43:39.280 know if I ever played that, but I. 3634 02:43:39.280 --> 02:43:42.559 Played on I played a lot of the like a 3635 02:43:42.760 --> 02:43:46.360 lot lot of the multiplayer bot based stuff. 3636 02:43:46.520 --> 02:43:49.040 Oh yeah, yeah, that'suff was awesome. Yeah, but counter Out 3637 02:43:49.079 --> 02:43:51.520 mode was really cool, interesting. 3638 02:43:51.159 --> 02:43:55.879 I think one that is beloved, so I'll say this 3639 02:43:55.959 --> 02:43:56.959 with a caveat, but wasn't. 3640 02:43:57.200 --> 02:44:00.840 The main purpose of the game was Years of War three, 3641 02:44:02.079 --> 02:44:07.879 which had a fucking baller competitive mode that is still 3642 02:44:07.959 --> 02:44:11.200 beloved to this day and actually still has a competitive 3643 02:44:11.239 --> 02:44:12.719 player base because is that like. 3644 02:44:12.760 --> 02:44:16.200 The smash Bros Melee of the franchise that people still 3645 02:44:17.200 --> 02:44:19.399 roll with Because people still roll with it. 3646 02:44:19.719 --> 02:44:20.639 It's so fun. 3647 02:44:20.719 --> 02:44:23.879 They had this like train level where like trains go 3648 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.680 through and you have to like go after each other 3649 02:44:26.799 --> 02:44:27.639 with the torque boat. 3650 02:44:27.840 --> 02:44:32.399 I mean, it was so fun to attack. 3651 02:44:32.239 --> 02:44:36.040 Real people, like you know, humans instead of NPCs in 3652 02:44:36.159 --> 02:44:40.600 Gears of War, and they just cracked it. It was 3653 02:44:40.920 --> 02:44:43.079 awesome the way they put it together. And I remember, 3654 02:44:43.120 --> 02:44:44.639 I think I was working at GameSpot at the time, 3655 02:44:44.879 --> 02:44:46.559 but I remember when it came out, everyone was like, 3656 02:44:46.719 --> 02:44:50.200 why is this so good? Like you didn't expect it 3657 02:44:50.360 --> 02:44:53.879 to be that good and to this day, people talk 3658 02:44:53.920 --> 02:44:54.719 about it and play it. 3659 02:44:54.799 --> 02:44:57.000 I don't play it no more. But like I loved 3660 02:44:57.120 --> 02:44:58.440 that multiplayer when I came. 3661 02:44:58.319 --> 02:45:01.079 Out, I was surprised to be like that game. Obviously, 3662 02:45:01.079 --> 02:45:03.639 the campaigns were great, and it was known for co op. 3663 02:45:03.760 --> 02:45:06.000 It was like one of the big first online. 3664 02:45:05.719 --> 02:45:09.399 Totally, I guess it is playing. But the competitive multiplayer 3665 02:45:09.520 --> 02:45:10.520 was shocking, and. 3666 02:45:10.559 --> 02:45:11.360 That's what surprises me. 3667 02:45:11.479 --> 02:45:13.479 As Like, you know, I played through all of them 3668 02:45:13.520 --> 02:45:15.040 with Kayla in the last couple of years, and we 3669 02:45:15.159 --> 02:45:18.399 just recently were going through Gears reloaded, and we would 3670 02:45:18.479 --> 02:45:20.280 end our streams with, like, let's just do a one 3671 02:45:20.360 --> 02:45:24.239 on one match a small map torqubos only, so you 3672 02:45:24.239 --> 02:45:26.959 can only get chainsaw kills or torque bows, and it's 3673 02:45:27.000 --> 02:45:29.239 like it's so tense and like the levels are designed 3674 02:45:29.319 --> 02:45:30.879 very well, and it's like that shit, I think we 3675 02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:33.520 maybe slept on a bit of the like competitive multiplayer 3676 02:45:33.680 --> 02:45:34.760 Gears It's good. 3677 02:45:34.879 --> 02:45:36.360 I mean I still play a lot. 3678 02:45:36.520 --> 02:45:39.840 Yeah, yeah, the competitive mode of these are still really good. 3679 02:45:40.000 --> 02:45:42.399 Like there's still I would still recommend them. 3680 02:45:42.520 --> 02:45:45.079 They're like brutal because you're playing against people, so they 3681 02:45:45.120 --> 02:45:45.959 will fuck you up. 3682 02:45:46.040 --> 02:45:48.840 But it's in the shotgun people that just fucking yeah. 3683 02:45:49.479 --> 02:45:54.840 Yeah, especially if they've been playing now. Yes, if you're 3684 02:45:54.920 --> 02:45:57.799 joining a lobby now a good fucking luck, because you're 3685 02:45:57.840 --> 02:46:00.559 playing against people have been playing for ten year were 3686 02:46:00.559 --> 02:46:02.280 probably like insane. 3687 02:46:03.159 --> 02:46:08.399 Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. Okay, so 3688 02:46:08.719 --> 02:46:12.600 uh doublo James Bond Double O seven Agent Underfire. We 3689 02:46:12.719 --> 02:46:16.479 had it for the PS two. There was a multiplayer 3690 02:46:16.559 --> 02:46:23.040 mode competitive that was one of the coolest fucking things. Basically, 3691 02:46:23.360 --> 02:46:26.399 one team, you're on each side of a train track. Mary, 3692 02:46:26.479 --> 02:46:32.040 you you mentioning the Gears map. Just just jog this memory, yes, 3693 02:46:32.479 --> 02:46:37.159 you like? This is my Uh you proosted me hard. 3694 02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:43.760 One team is defending a VIP. It might be called VIP. 3695 02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:45.639 I can't I just tried googling. I couldn't find it. 3696 02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:48.399 One team is trying to defend this VIP. It's just 3697 02:46:48.479 --> 02:46:50.399 a dude in a suit with a suitcase that's getting 3698 02:46:50.440 --> 02:46:53.680 onto this train that's arriving at a predetermined time. The 3699 02:46:53.799 --> 02:46:55.559 other team is on the other side of the tracks. 3700 02:46:55.600 --> 02:46:57.120 And keep in mind that like on each side of 3701 02:46:57.120 --> 02:46:58.799 the tracks there it's like a city scape, so there 3702 02:46:58.799 --> 02:47:00.440 are different buildings you can get in. It reminds me 3703 02:47:00.479 --> 02:47:04.840 a spy party, so you're and obviously much more rudimentary, 3704 02:47:04.959 --> 02:47:08.600 but the other two are trying to get weapons and 3705 02:47:08.719 --> 02:47:13.159 take up positions, like in such a way that they'll 3706 02:47:13.159 --> 02:47:15.799 be able to kill the VIP as he makes his 3707 02:47:15.879 --> 02:47:18.639 way from a building to the train. So it becomes 3708 02:47:18.680 --> 02:47:20.879 almost like Enemy at the Gates with Jude Law and 3709 02:47:21.000 --> 02:47:23.239 Ed Harris, where you're like, you're doing the sniper duel 3710 02:47:23.280 --> 02:47:25.719 where there's two people on this side, two people on 3711 02:47:25.799 --> 02:47:27.559 the other, and you're just trying to get a good 3712 02:47:27.639 --> 02:47:30.000 vantage point without you know, the like I don't remember 3713 02:47:30.040 --> 02:47:32.680 if it had the battlefield scope glint if you're sniping, 3714 02:47:32.760 --> 02:47:36.079 but there were telltale signs where they were, and it 3715 02:47:36.159 --> 02:47:40.000 became the coolest thing because Asian Underfire, it was early off, 3716 02:47:40.120 --> 02:47:41.719 so we were, you know, we were so used to 3717 02:47:41.840 --> 02:47:48.159 Perfect Dark or I don't know, Halo even where this 3718 02:47:48.360 --> 02:47:50.520 mode came along, and it was super creative because we 3719 02:47:50.600 --> 02:47:53.120 were still fighting each other, but there was a more 3720 02:47:53.280 --> 02:47:57.920 central anterior objective, ulterior objective that we were trying to 3721 02:47:58.079 --> 02:48:02.479 pursue that was very, very fun and I clearly it 3722 02:48:02.520 --> 02:48:05.559 was underrat I can't even figure it out like googling 3723 02:48:05.639 --> 02:48:07.760 it right now, but we love that like that was 3724 02:48:07.959 --> 02:48:12.360 such a cool wrinkle to the multiplayer sphere at the time, 3725 02:48:12.639 --> 02:48:15.239 and I don't think that's why people played that game whatsoever. 3726 02:48:15.319 --> 02:48:17.399 That game in general looking back was not that great, 3727 02:48:17.479 --> 02:48:22.239 but yeah, I had a blast with it. But anyway, 3728 02:48:22.639 --> 02:48:27.440 a good question. Yeah, thank you, Kent. 3729 02:48:27.719 --> 02:48:31.440 Kent from Saint Louis, Missouri sucks. 3730 02:48:31.360 --> 02:48:36.200 Momo, Dan make fun of something Missouri, you can't. 3731 02:48:36.239 --> 02:48:40.639 That's too broad of a question. It's just bad state, 3732 02:48:40.799 --> 02:48:43.159 bad people, bad cities, bad food. 3733 02:48:44.360 --> 02:48:44.959 Food they got. 3734 02:48:45.399 --> 02:48:47.760 I mean, here's the thing, a lot of Casey barbecue. 3735 02:48:47.920 --> 02:48:51.280 Technically on the Missouri side. I was technically on the 3736 02:48:51.360 --> 02:48:53.920 Kansas side. But like the middle of the state, you 3737 02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:58.200 got Columbia, you got greg Millertown. That's just another good 3738 02:48:58.280 --> 02:49:00.639 comes out of the middle of Missouri. Oh no, wait, 3739 02:49:00.760 --> 02:49:02.840 I think Chapelone actually was kind of from the middle 3740 02:49:02.840 --> 02:49:07.000 of there. People that would say that, uh, it's just 3741 02:49:07.040 --> 02:49:08.680 a bad time if you're driving through it, you know 3742 02:49:08.760 --> 02:49:11.920 what I'm talking about. It's just a dirty, bad place, 3743 02:49:12.479 --> 02:49:19.879 bad people, bad opinions, bad everything. Yeahs are gross. Yeah, 3744 02:49:20.399 --> 02:49:21.559 those arks are gross. 3745 02:49:22.520 --> 02:49:23.040 Are gross. 3746 02:49:23.479 --> 02:49:25.159 I've spent a decent amount of time. Those are the 3747 02:49:25.200 --> 02:49:26.719 parts I saw were nice there. 3748 02:49:26.920 --> 02:49:29.760 There are some places you have fun. You have fun anywhere, camp. 3749 02:49:31.159 --> 02:49:32.040 Fun, anywhere. 3750 02:49:32.319 --> 02:49:34.040 You have fun in a trash can if you want to. 3751 02:49:34.200 --> 02:49:36.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I knew You've got 3752 02:49:36.399 --> 02:49:40.600 photos of me doing it. I do, I do trash 3753 02:49:40.879 --> 02:49:46.319 TC's are my favorite peas to be all right, Thank 3754 02:49:46.440 --> 02:49:51.440 you Kent from Saint Louis and mimomo. That's our episode. 3755 02:49:52.159 --> 02:49:54.479 You can ride into firescape cast at gmail dot com. 3756 02:49:54.840 --> 02:49:57.360 Go to join the fun, get it red on the air. 3757 02:49:58.280 --> 02:50:03.879 Good questions Kent and and Phil. Just some housekeeping stuff 3758 02:50:03.879 --> 02:50:05.840 before we get to the end of the episode. We 3759 02:50:06.639 --> 02:50:10.879 do have some new merch on the way. We've got 3760 02:50:11.040 --> 02:50:14.559 our samples on the way. We're gonna start modeling it soon. 3761 02:50:14.639 --> 02:50:17.959 I guess we're gonna start really, you know, like people 3762 02:50:18.040 --> 02:50:20.239 can jump on it for a Game of the Year. 3763 02:50:21.239 --> 02:50:24.159 We'll make that public as soon as it's ready to go. 3764 02:50:24.440 --> 02:50:27.959 Speaking up this season, yeah, speaking time of giving. 3765 02:50:29.000 --> 02:50:32.399 Yeah, and Game of the Year we are officially doing 3766 02:50:33.000 --> 02:50:36.280 on December sixth, Saturday, December sixth. 3767 02:50:36.680 --> 02:50:39.319 Got a calendar thing here, it's it's on my Google calendar, 3768 02:50:39.399 --> 02:50:40.200 so be changed. 3769 02:50:40.280 --> 02:50:40.399 Now. 3770 02:50:41.079 --> 02:50:43.680 We're fine to Minneapolis. We're descending on Minneapolis, as we 3771 02:50:43.760 --> 02:50:47.920 always do. Jake, Mary and I are going to go 3772 02:50:48.200 --> 02:50:57.639 to Dan's to argue and celebrate and dump on some games. Dumb. 3773 02:50:58.680 --> 02:51:01.040 It's a month and a half away. That's crazy. 3774 02:51:01.399 --> 02:51:02.079 It's crazy. 3775 02:51:02.120 --> 02:51:03.520 I have a lot to play. 3776 02:51:04.159 --> 02:51:07.600 Yeah, so do I. But yeah, December sixth, that'll be 3777 02:51:07.680 --> 02:51:10.000 on I believe it'll. 3778 02:51:10.719 --> 02:51:13.559 And what we've done recently is what we do is 3779 02:51:13.959 --> 02:51:15.840 because we don't do the twitch. We don't. 3780 02:51:16.079 --> 02:51:17.559 We might have the twitch account, I don't know, but 3781 02:51:17.920 --> 02:51:20.879 we stream it on my channel on Dan Record and 3782 02:51:20.959 --> 02:51:24.040 then the VOD will go on fire Escape channels. So 3783 02:51:24.479 --> 02:51:26.600 if you haven't seen fire Escapes vod and so, we 3784 02:51:26.719 --> 02:51:29.520 have smooth resident Knievel we got you know. We we've 3785 02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:31.440 put more stuff up there there in the last couple 3786 02:51:31.440 --> 02:51:34.079 of years, including our Game of the Year VOD. So yes, 3787 02:51:34.120 --> 02:51:37.000 So go follow fire Escape cast on YouTube if you 3788 02:51:37.040 --> 02:51:41.000 want to watch live as it happens on December that Saturday, 3789 02:51:41.280 --> 02:51:44.120 December sixth, we'll probably we haven't said the start time, 3790 02:51:44.200 --> 02:51:49.399 but yeah, safe to assume five Central six Eastern around 3791 02:51:49.600 --> 02:51:50.520 generally around. 3792 02:51:50.840 --> 02:51:52.040 Around din din time. 3793 02:51:52.239 --> 02:51:56.920 Go get your bucket of fried chicken or bunch and 3794 02:51:57.200 --> 02:52:01.280 champagne because it's a celebration, baby, Go get your taco bell. 3795 02:52:01.719 --> 02:52:04.360 Get ready and sit down with us for seven hours. 3796 02:52:04.760 --> 02:52:05.639 It's gonna be fun. 3797 02:52:06.559 --> 02:52:10.719 Yes, And then in the meantime before we launch the 3798 02:52:10.799 --> 02:52:13.159 new merch, you can gotta you can actually go to 3799 02:52:13.239 --> 02:52:17.559 Firescape merch dot com. That will lead you to our 3800 02:52:17.760 --> 02:52:21.280 main merch site where you can get bikinis, you can 3801 02:52:21.319 --> 02:52:24.680 get banana hammocks, you can get some some flashy stuff. 3802 02:52:24.760 --> 02:52:28.520 We do have the white stainless steel water bottle that 3803 02:52:28.639 --> 02:52:30.520 was out of stock, that's back in stock. A bunch 3804 02:52:30.520 --> 02:52:32.360 of people are buying that, So if you want that 3805 02:52:32.639 --> 02:52:36.760 to stay hedrato throughout the day, go for it. But 3806 02:52:36.840 --> 02:52:39.159 then we'll announce the new stuff when we have it. 3807 02:52:39.680 --> 02:52:43.879 And then outside of that, I think that's it for 3808 02:52:44.280 --> 02:52:46.399 fire Escape house cleaning. As usually, you can get the 3809 02:52:46.440 --> 02:52:49.920 ad free episode and the video version if you're not 3810 02:52:50.000 --> 02:52:56.520 a patron already. Vinnie Caravella and I Vinnie of Nextlander, 3811 02:52:56.840 --> 02:52:59.959 if you're unaware, we've been doing two co Op campaig 3812 02:53:00.280 --> 02:53:03.719 in Total War Warhammer three, which are both very fun. 3813 02:53:04.159 --> 02:53:08.000 Both are unfolding not at all as I predicted and 3814 02:53:08.319 --> 02:53:12.520 somehow exactly as I wanted, very entertaining and fun. We're 3815 02:53:12.639 --> 02:53:17.000 doing a good quote unquote campaign for fire Escape. You're 3816 02:53:17.920 --> 02:53:21.360 a video patron, you'll see those every other week. And 3817 02:53:21.479 --> 02:53:25.120 then if you are a patron for Next Lander, I 3818 02:53:25.200 --> 02:53:27.559 believe it's their ten dollars tier, you will be seeing 3819 02:53:27.559 --> 02:53:30.799 the evil campaign we're doing in the weeks offsetting those, 3820 02:53:31.360 --> 02:53:35.399 so two simultaneous ones, jumping back and forth beween the sites. 3821 02:53:35.440 --> 02:53:38.000 It's very, very fun. We're already kind of talking about 3822 02:53:38.440 --> 02:53:40.760 we're starting to talk about maybe what we want our 3823 02:53:40.840 --> 02:53:43.799 victory conditions to because it's very much a sandbox strategy game. 3824 02:53:43.920 --> 02:53:48.200 So Vinnie's already got some some rivalries brewing. I'm kind 3825 02:53:48.239 --> 02:53:50.879 of helping him out where I might, you know, I 3826 02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:54.639 might start to steer things to a less civil arrangement 3827 02:53:54.719 --> 02:53:57.399 between he and I. But yeah, that's great, So go 3828 02:53:58.000 --> 02:54:00.799 subscribe to us and next Lander if you're not already, Mary, 3829 02:54:00.840 --> 02:54:02.799 what do you have going on at the meantime? Uh? 3830 02:54:03.000 --> 02:54:06.319 Usually I'm live on Twitch every Monday. I've missed a 3831 02:54:06.440 --> 02:54:10.079 lot because of all of my travel, and when this 3832 02:54:10.479 --> 02:54:13.920 goes live, I'll be I think, still traveling, so really 3833 02:54:14.000 --> 02:54:16.920 sorry about that, but when I can, and when i'm home, 3834 02:54:17.000 --> 02:54:20.239 I will be live on Twitch playing whatever the latest 3835 02:54:20.399 --> 02:54:23.600 indie game is that is my joy and that is 3836 02:54:23.680 --> 02:54:25.639 what I always defall to Dan. 3837 02:54:25.760 --> 02:54:27.520 What about you? Dan? 3838 02:54:27.600 --> 02:54:31.319 Record on Blue Sky and Instagram and we are doing 3839 02:54:31.399 --> 02:54:34.520 a twenty four hour live stream from a Giant Bomb 3840 02:54:34.879 --> 02:54:39.639 on October twenty seventh. We are doing the Giant Bambathon, 3841 02:54:40.000 --> 02:54:43.600 So follow Giant Bomb on YouTube and Twitch. We will 3842 02:54:43.600 --> 02:54:47.280 be starting at five pm Eastern on Monday, October twenty seventh, 3843 02:54:47.680 --> 02:54:48.879 twenty four hours. 3844 02:54:49.079 --> 02:54:50.799 We will all be on this, taken together. 3845 02:54:51.319 --> 02:54:53.120 Who's taken the late shift or you got. 3846 02:54:53.079 --> 02:54:53.719 We're all in person. 3847 02:54:54.360 --> 02:54:56.959 We are going to figure out based on like when 3848 02:54:57.000 --> 02:54:58.799 people are tired and need to like sneak in like 3849 02:54:58.840 --> 02:55:00.760 an hour of anap or whatever. Like we're gonna just 3850 02:55:00.840 --> 02:55:03.639 make it work. But for we're gonna have multiple people 3851 02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:06.840 on stream at all time at the entire twenty four hours, 3852 02:55:06.879 --> 02:55:10.719 so lots of games, lots of incentives, subscriber drive stuff. 3853 02:55:11.079 --> 02:55:13.639 We got Chuck and Sean coming out if you know 3854 02:55:13.680 --> 02:55:16.399 them from Giant Bomb. It's going to be a lot 3855 02:55:16.479 --> 02:55:18.399 of fun. So put a lot of a lot of 3856 02:55:18.479 --> 02:55:22.879 planning into that. October twenty seventh, five pm Eastern. 3857 02:55:23.799 --> 02:55:27.600 Be there, all right, what's our episode? Thank you everybody 3858 02:55:27.600 --> 02:55:32.399 for joining Episode one eighteen Game of the year. At 3859 02:55:32.440 --> 02:55:34.159 this rate, will that be one twenty. 3860 02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:41.360 Yeah, yeah, we've got that fucking way alone. One way. 3861 02:55:41.520 --> 02:55:45.200 Okay, this is the twentieth. Uh no, no, we got 3862 02:55:45.239 --> 02:55:46.159 we have a lunch before. 3863 02:55:46.319 --> 02:55:50.639 I just like panic you. Okay, Well, thank you everybody 3864 02:55:50.680 --> 02:55:52.479 for joining. We'll be back in a couple of weeks 3865 02:55:52.559 --> 02:55:55.479 with the next episode Firescape cast. Meantime, go check out 3866 02:55:55.479 --> 02:55:57.280 all this stuff Dan and Mary just talked about. Go 3867 02:55:57.520 --> 02:56:00.719 subscribe to Next Lander, et cetera. We will see you 3868 02:56:00.959 --> 02:56:01.799 in the next episode. 3869 02:56:02.959 --> 02:56:03.319 Bye.