WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.519 Hudson Riverradio dot com. 2 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:12.480 Now we have to find another school for you. 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:14.839 And if you get kicked out of that one, you're 4 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.320 going straight in the army. Well, you'll be sent straight 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:22.199 to America's latest military quagmire. Will it be North Korea? Iran? 6 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.760 Anything's possible with Commander Kuckoo Bananas in charge? 7 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:28.640 How does sassa Janni from the Asberry Jukes? 8 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:29.879 Hey, this is Tom Chapin. 9 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.320 Hello, just preaching in Rock and Roll History Show. 10 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:33.359 You're listening right now? 11 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:38.920 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History 12 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:43.119 Show on Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. Remember in 13 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.759 high school, all that geometry that he kept saying, when 14 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.679 am I ever gonna use this? Why do I need 15 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:49.200 to know that? 16 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:49.560 Well? 17 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.479 Guess what tonight we're talking about shapes and we're gonna 18 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.840 use it, and you're gonna have to call your old 19 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.960 man teacher and apologize when this show is over. But 20 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.439 before we hop in has always allowed me to introduce 21 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.760 all the crambones who were joining us here tonight, First 22 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.519 and foremost from the Richter Observatory. He hates speed bumps, 23 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.680 but he's slowly getting over them. Neil Richter is back. 24 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.079 Oh, it's gonna be a bumpy ride today. 25 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.120 I think, oh, very good. 26 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:17.799 Well, how are you doing? 27 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:18.359 Everybody? 28 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.680 Good to see you from paranormal yours. She believes Humpty 29 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.280 Dumpty was pushed Gail Nuclem's back. 30 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.400 Hi Gail, and he wants the wall. 31 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.560 From the silver screen. After the Saint Patrick's Day parade, 32 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:36.760 she was in a bar, one of those that had 33 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.719 all the aquariums all the way around it. So in 34 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:41.799 walks a pipe and drum band, and one of the 35 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.079 guys puts his bagpipes down so he could go get 36 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.959 a drink, and an octopus crawls out of the aquarium 37 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.640 makes its way over to the bagpipes. The guy comes 38 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.040 back and says, what are you doing, and the octopus says, 39 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:56.400 I'm trying to get her pajamas off. Mercedes Kent is here. 40 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.239 Perfect but with the beer green, That's all I want 41 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.079 to know. Of course, it was okay, good at hey, everybody. 42 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:11.680 And finally, after a multi week absence, making his triumphant return. 43 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.360 Some say it's got the most triumphant in the history 44 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.120 of our country. Nobody has ever had this much triumphant 45 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.560 in terms of levels of triumphant there's so much triumphant. 46 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.479 We're gonna slap thirty percent tariff on the triumphant coming 47 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.319 in from Mexico, or as they like to call it, 48 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.879 l triumphant. He's our official teacher. He never farts in 49 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:41.439 the classroom. He's a private tutor. Welcome back, John Kelly. 50 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.639 Hey, everybody, it's great to be back. 51 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.879 And it's a huge. 52 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:52.000 Return, huge triumphant. No one's ever seen this amount of triumphant. 53 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:58.039 Nobody, nobody, Frankly. Frankly, it's just enormous. 54 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:03.199 It's levels that have never been seen before. As our 55 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:06.560 official medical person, she wants to know why saying have 56 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.840 a nice day is considered polite, but saying enjoy the 57 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.159 next twenty four hours is somehow creepy. 58 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.439 Jessica Dean is bad. 59 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:16.680 Hey, everybody, how are you? 60 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.759 And, last, but not least, the host of shaving cream, 61 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.719 She learned that Rossini composed the William tell overture all 62 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:29.479 by himself. That makes him the lone arranger. Barbara, Hi, Barb, 63 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.439 very good, Ryan, thank you? Hey, everybody. All right, I'm 64 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:40.000 done torturing everybody tonight. We're talking about shapes, geometry, all 65 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.879 that good stuff. We're gonna hop right in and John, 66 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:44.960 since you've been gone the longest and you have the 67 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:47.199 most homework to make up for, you get to go first. 68 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:49.520 Okay. 69 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.719 Well, for the subject of shapes, there is a plethora 70 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.439 of choices to pick from. Actually, the toughest part of 71 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.319 this was not finding a decent piece of music. It 72 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.560 was weeding through what would be the best for the show. 73 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.639 And a lot of my choices that I've picked over 74 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.319 the last few months even before that have kind of 75 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.680 gravitated to the late sixties and seventies, I think, and 76 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.040 tonight is no different. So I have picked Circle Sky 77 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:22.720 from the Monkeys and this was a ninety nineteen sixty 78 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:26.279 eight version. It was written by Michael Nesmith. Okay, and 79 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:31.319 it also appeared in their film called Head as a 80 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:36.720 live concert performance. It's an interesting song. It's it's written 81 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.079 in performance in a style of reminiscent to Bo Diddley, 82 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:45.639 mostly in a single chord a major, and the lyrics 83 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.160 are impressions of sights and sounds on a Monkey's tour, 84 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.000 while Hamilton's smiling down, one of the lyrics refers to 85 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:56.959 heavy to a Hamilton music stand used for rehearsal. Rehearsals 86 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.040 and recording. Now, that's not something I would have I 87 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.399 even realized had I not been a part of this show. 88 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.560 Just dismissed it as a cool little you know, toe 89 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:09.079 tapping kind of a monkey song, like all the monkey 90 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.240 songs are toe tapping, you know. I kind of like 91 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:17.519 it there. Sometimes I look at the Monkeys as a 92 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:19.519 what's the word I'm looking for? 93 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:20.199 I don't know. 94 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.120 They're kind of like a lost late sixties band to me. 95 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.040 You don't hear much about them. You did in the seventies, 96 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:27.560 maybe a little in the eighties, but I don't know. 97 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.839 I can't speak for the rest of you, but you know, 98 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.680 the Monkeys are not spoken about as other you know. 99 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.160 Yes they did. They had a reunion in the eighties, 100 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:37.360 like eighty six ish and they did it tour. And 101 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.120 Mickey Dolan's is still out playing all over the place. 102 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.120 He hasn't slowed down. So right, they're out there. 103 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:45.959 They're out there exactly, So why don't we get right 104 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:47.399 into the song and then I have a little bit 105 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.959 of a little piece about it after when we're done. 106 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:50.480 So it's just. 107 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.319 Put be very. 108 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:53.600 Very but very flock. 109 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.279 Yes, but very. 110 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:24.519 Thin. 111 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.560 Let let's do. 112 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:55.959 H played it once? 113 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:14.759 Let me, okay, that was Circle Sky by the Monkeys. 114 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.000 Kind of a little interesting little tidbit about the song itself. 115 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.560 While the movie that we were talking about earlier included 116 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.040 the song performed live from the Monkeys in Salt Lake City, Utah, 117 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:29.759 in May of nineteen sixty eight during a free show 118 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.720 at the Valley Music Hall, the original soundtrack album instead 119 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:38.559 substituted a studio recording made by Nessmuth and session musicians, 120 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.759 which that became a bit of tension with the entire group. 121 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.600 The film version also intercut Vietnam War footage with concert 122 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.360 footage and featured several mirrored shots of the band on stage. 123 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.240 So I think this is true, like late sixties, early 124 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.000 seventies kind of psychedelic monkeys is kind of the best 125 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.200 way to describe it. But you know, it's a fun song. 126 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.840 You know, they were a fun group. They probably were 127 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.600 fun to hang out with back in the day if 128 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.320 you had the opportunity, I'm sure, But I hope you 129 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:08.039 all enjoyed it. 130 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:09.639 Cool. Yeah, that was a good one at the beginning. 131 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:15.159 Was almost a little pearl Jamie. Yeah, you know, yeah, cute, yeah, absolutely, 132 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.480 all right, Well, welcome back, Thank you, John. 133 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.759 Thank you everybody good to be here, and Jess, you 134 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:21.320 are up. 135 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:24.919 Okay. 136 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.000 So when we first discussed this topic and I started 137 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:32.039 looking for ideas, I saw lots of songs about circles, diamonds, hearts, 138 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:32.639 and stars. 139 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:34.840 I was looking for something really unique. 140 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.799 So when I came across a song called Parallelograms, I 141 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.919 was definitely intrigued. The song fits the topic for sure, 142 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.279 so I think I nailed this assignment. Even the lyrics 143 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:45.799 are basically just. 144 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.039 Names of shapes. 145 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:51.320 The song is by Linda Perhacks and was first released 146 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:55.559 in nineteen seventy and it was largely unsuccessful. So of 147 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.879 course I was thinking, why would anybody write about this? 148 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:00.840 Is there a deeper hidden meaning. 149 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:01.440 To these lyrics? 150 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.480 In my quest to find these answers, I came across 151 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:07.000 an amazing article and interview with the artist which was 152 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:12.720 published by NPR in twenty fourteen. So Linda Perhacks was 153 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:18.759 a dental hygienist who worked in Los Angeles and had 154 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:23.320 a lot of celebrities as clients in you know, in 155 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:24.000 her practice. 156 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.440 So they came to get their teeth cleaned. 157 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:27.279 You know. 158 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.440 She she also so she had her life as a 159 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.840 dental hygienist and and interacting with these, you know, all 160 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.519 kinds of famous people and stuff. And then where she 161 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.360 lived was basically in sort of a hippie kind of area, 162 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.559 and a lot of her friends and her husband at 163 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:48.360 the time like this very artsy kind of musical sort 164 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.879 of culture, and you know, her she had this creative 165 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.720 side and wanted to write music and stuff, so so 166 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.639 she she would she would write and do pieces. 167 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.559 And one day one of her. 168 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:08.480 Dental hygiene clients, who was not an actor but more 169 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.639 on the production side of things, and she did say 170 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:16.200 that she really always enjoyed like interacting with those individuals. 171 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.960 It was Leonard Rosenman, and you know, he was saying, like, 172 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.960 you're you're deeper than this, like I know that there's 173 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.279 something about you that's, you know, more than just a 174 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:30.279 dental hygienis. 175 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:31.480 And she's like, how did you know? 176 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.399 So I guess they were looking for, you know, more material, 177 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.240 like the next big thing, and he was like, I 178 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.559 want you to write something for me, like give me 179 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.519 a tape, and she did and he fell in love 180 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.159 with it, and you know, wanted to move forward with production, 181 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:58.120 which they did, and then of course the label like 182 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:05.759 basically completely changed her music and it was not successful 183 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.759 at all. She even said when she got her copy 184 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.240 of the vinyl, she threw it in the trash. So 185 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.320 I want to read to you a little bit of 186 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.960 something that she said about writing the music itself. So 187 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.679 she was talking about taking a drive on the venture, 188 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.720 a freeway like kind of through the desert, and she said, 189 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.360 in the sky, I saw beautiful lights, hard to describe, 190 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.799 but they were so magnificent. And I said, Linda, you're 191 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.759 seeing music, you're just not hearing it. Stop and draw 192 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.360 what you're seeing before you forget. 193 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:42.759 So she did. 194 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:47.360 So she went into a deserted gas station and started 195 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.240 drawing pictures on pieces of paper so that she wouldn't 196 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:56.000 forget what she'd seen. And then she went home, took 197 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.559 a melody that she'd been working on and put it 198 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.840 on the front end of that idea and created this 199 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:06.320 three dimensional sound sculpture from the beauty that she had 200 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:10.720 just seen in the sky, and that was the song Parallelograms. 201 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:15.279 So that was her vision when she was creating the song, 202 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:22.240 and then, like I said, when it was actually ultimately produced, 203 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:28.720 and then, like pressed, it was not the sound that 204 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.559 she wanted. She described the album as it was wooden. 205 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.440 It had no depth. When I heard my first vinyl, 206 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.840 I threw it in the trash. It bothered me. I said, 207 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:43.000 I can't listen to this. So that was again what 208 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:47.559 was produced in the nineteen seventies. So the songs are 209 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.240 somewhere in the neighborhood of about four and a half 210 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:50.879 minutes long. 211 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.960 You'll get the idea when you hear the first bit. 212 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.240 So let's take a listen to what was originally released 213 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:58.480 in nineteen. 214 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:22.720 Seventy long Grab lou Spy, You're a long grad Spy, 215 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:27.320 roun round rail Ground. 216 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.200 Quacky Drew. 217 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.639 To Lucky you Drew. 218 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.080 You don't want to sign side see. 219 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.080 Ba ground. 220 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:19.759 Spa ground Spy, ground. 221 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:30.240 Semibal Semi many. 222 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:33.919 Realrial. 223 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.759 So boy, that got old fast. 224 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:55.279 That was interesting. 225 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:57.279 That's a very nice way of playing. 226 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:02.799 It's right eterial now, so so here's there is such 227 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.200 a good way I think. 228 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:06.200 So yeah. 229 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.679 So basically the album flopped and Linda went back to 230 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.600 being a dental hygienist. And fast forward a whole bunch 231 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.360 of years and it's the year two thousand now, and 232 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.799 she almost died of pneumonia that year. 233 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:25.799 So now I can't make jokes. 234 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:29.639 That is true. 235 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:30.799 That is true. 236 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.000 Actually, And there's a quote from her interview where it 237 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.679 said the pulmonary experts walked away saying she's not going 238 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:39.120 to live. 239 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.679 We're not coming back. This girl's not going to make it. 240 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:43.759 But she did. 241 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:45.240 She defied everyone. 242 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:47.639 But she had been in the hospital for a really 243 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.360 long time, and when she got home in her mailbox 244 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.639 was a CD from Michael Piper, who ran a small 245 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:59.480 CD company in Brooklyn, saying if this is the right Linda, 246 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:07.200 I've been searching for you and basically saying this album, 247 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.640 this music is getting a lot of traction and we 248 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:12.000 want to collaborate with you. 249 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:14.039 So they did. 250 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.119 They collaborated, and then she explained to him that, you 251 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.920 know how, the original release of the song was not 252 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:27.240 the music that she had actually created. So what she 253 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:29.440 said to him was, you're copying the wrong master. You're 254 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.960 copying that old vinyl that's lost half of its sound. 255 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:37.480 So she actually had maintained an original of her reel 256 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.759 to reel that had been in her house in California 257 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.799 in a closet for thirty something years. 258 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.440 So what had actually happened was that the. 259 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:55.480 Tape itself like kind of melted together, so it was 260 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.400 all stuck together, so they actually had to bring it 261 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.839 back to New York and like work on it in 262 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.319 like this very intense manners. 263 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.119 To bring up the temperature and as a whole thing 264 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:09.640 behind that. 265 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:11.519 Yeah, yep. 266 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:16.279 But they made enough progress with it that they were 267 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.039 able to make a CD out of the master and 268 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:22.880 then all of a sudden, it just it took off. 269 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:23.880 So it was. 270 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:27.240 It was re released then, and she developed a following. 271 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.200 So forty four years after her original album was released, 272 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:37.000 she released a second album. So just what an amazing 273 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:43.920 story inspiring woman. I believe if I calculated her, if 274 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.880 I did my math correctly, I believe she is somewhere 275 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.599 around the age of eighty two right now, and she 276 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.880 is still active and still performing and still writing music. 277 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:58.480 So I think I managed to find a copy of 278 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.759 the re release that was much harder to track down, 279 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.400 So honestly, I'm not even sure if it's the right one, 280 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.839 but we can take a quick listen to what I 281 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:08.799 found that I think is the two thousand release. 282 00:19:08.839 --> 00:20:27.480 That should be a sort of different sound. So what 283 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:29.400 did you guys think? Did you hear a different sound? 284 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:30.599 Totally different? 285 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.680 Yeah? 286 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.519 I don't want to see she almost died so I 287 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.720 can't make a joke, so I was gonna say it 288 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.480 wasn't really better, it was different different. 289 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.799 Yeah, I just you know, I I have to admit, 290 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.119 like I'm not necessarily in love with the song, but 291 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.000 when I read her story, I was like, this is 292 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.079 just such an incredible, you know, story, and what an 293 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.759 amazing life to lead. And I think that interview is 294 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.680 definitely worth checking out the article. I think there's a 295 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.480 couple of video interviews out there with her too, And 296 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.880 you know, logistically, I almost had to miss this episode 297 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.079 and I was really kind of bummed about it because 298 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.400 I was I was so excited to share her story 299 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.160 and how inspiring it is. 300 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:24.039 So you know, I just I thought it was incredible. 301 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.119 And I thank you guys for letting me share the 302 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:26.799 Story's cool. 303 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.839 It's kind of a lesson that, you know, if you're 304 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.039 going to be a songwriter, that you really want to 305 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.359 maintain control over your own material to make it really 306 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.720 you know, it's okay to collaborate and whatnot, but you know, 307 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:38.680 make it sound the way you want to sound. 308 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.440 I get it, Yeah, but they don't make it easy 309 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:41.880 to do that. 310 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:43.920 No, definitely, no, definitely not. 311 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:46.400 I mean it was on all the control, right. 312 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:48.039 I mean, you could put out your own stuff, but 313 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.440 good luck getting ears on it. It was hard enough 314 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.759 even in the sixties seventies FM radio trying to get 315 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.400 somebody to listen. Now where everybody can put stuff out 316 00:21:57.400 --> 00:21:59.079 on YouTube and you can put your own stuff on 317 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.039 Spotify and do you know, it's very hard to get 318 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:07.160 anybody's attention. So yeah, it's the music was interesting. Her 319 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:09.440 vocals were just not my cup of tea. 320 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.440 That was the part that a little too dreamy for you. 321 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:17.599 Just the harmony just not my thing. 322 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:19.400 It reminds me. 323 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.400 Of music that. 324 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:33.480 People like massage therapists or people to classes doing like meditation. 325 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.880 Like New age, like yeah, yeah, reminds me of that. 326 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.240 Nothing wrong, just not really my cup of tea. But yeah, say, 327 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.599 that's that's why we're here, is to hear new things. 328 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.240 So well, I think under certain certain conditions it would 329 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:50.759 probably sound a lot better. 330 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.039 Like in context, whatever could you be talking about, Neil. 331 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.799 I'll leave it up to your imagination, but I think 332 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:00.519 you get I think you get edition. 333 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.359 Of Neil's brain in the seventies pretty much. 334 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:06.640 I'm not context. 335 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:08.359 That's all you need to know. 336 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.319 I'm with you yet, for the remix that she changed 337 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.920 the angles in the parallelogram, straighten it out at all? 338 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:16.400 Or was it? 339 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.519 No? All right, thanks Jess, Sorry to beat up your artist. 340 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.359 Story artists. 341 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.119 Yeah, yeah, that's true. I haven't heard anything else she did, 342 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:35.920 but I will say trying to type her name in 343 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.599 P E R H A C s it autocorrection. 344 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.519 Changing it of course, yes, I know, and you're like, no. 345 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.480 It's perhaps perhaps, perhaps perhaps. Yeah, so that was an 346 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.279 adventure too, So thanks for that. All right, quick break, 347 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.200 We'll be back with more right after this. Stick around 348 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:54.880 Hudson River Radio. 349 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:56.880 Your dog likes us. 350 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.240 This concludes the first part of this cassette. 351 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.599 Please turn the cassette over and begin again on side two. 352 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.880 This is Hudson River Radio dot. 353 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:18.119 Com ah Way and welcome back tonight. It's shapes and geometry, 354 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.920 all that good stuff, and Mercedes, we are up to you. 355 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:23.079 We are So. 356 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.480 The lyrics of my song have nothing really to do 357 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.319 with shapes, but the word diamond is in the title, 358 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.960 so I feel like he counts. It's a song by 359 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.759 David Bowie. I don't think I have to talk too 360 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.279 much about who he was. He is, of course a legend. 361 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.720 The song is Diamond Doggs from the album of the 362 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.200 same name, released in nineteen seventy four. The track was 363 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.920 not released as a single in the US, but reached 364 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.799 number twenty one in the UK. It was Bowie's eighth 365 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.880 studio album and was a concept album. He had disbanded 366 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.759 his backing band, The Spiders from Mars, and was not 367 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.720 sure what direction to go in. According to Chris O'Leary, 368 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.559 a biographer, the concept was a combination of several projects 369 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.519 that Bowie had been working on. It has also been 370 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.279 suggested that the song was influenced by Dalgren, a science 371 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.680 fiction novel by Samuel R. 372 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:18.359 Delaney. 373 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.400 Bowie was an admirer of William S. Burrows and his 374 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:29.880 working methods. That being of cut up technique is what 375 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.440 it's called a mechanical method of juxtaposition, in which Burrows 376 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.400 literally cut up passages of prose by himself and other 377 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:42.200 writers and then pasted them back together at random. This 378 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:47.200 makes the lyrics very disjointed. Previously, Bowie was inspired to 379 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:50.160 use this method on a musical based on Ziggy's Stardist 380 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.599 and said that at the time, and this is a quote, 381 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.960 forty scenes are in it and it would be nice 382 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.559 if the characters and actors would learn the scenes and 383 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:01.960 we all shuffled them around in a hat the afternoon 384 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.480 of the performance and just performed it as the seeds 385 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:04.920 come out. 386 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.079 That's like those refrigerator magnets they do for kids. 387 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:08.519 Yeah. 388 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.079 He was also a big fan of Orwell and nineteen 389 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.119 eighty four, and he wanted to adapt it for television, 390 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.920 but neither project happened. At the end of nineteen seventy three, 391 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.839 George Orwell's widow Sonya Orwell, denied Bowie the rights to 392 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.240 use the novel. The rejection annoyed Bowie, who criticized her 393 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.680 for it in Circus Magazine. A few years later, she 394 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.960 refused to allow any adaptation of her husband's work for 395 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.640 the rest of her life. No adaptations were possible until 396 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.359 after her death in nineteen eighty Unable to adapt the novel, 397 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:50.319 Bowie decided to create his own apocalyptic scenario inspired by 398 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:54.559 the works of Burroughs. In this song, we listeners are 399 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.519 introduced to Halloween Jack, who lives on the top of 400 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:04.480 Manhattan Chase, an abandoned skyscraper in a post apocalyptic Manhattan, 401 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.640