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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where we left off with Jane do two and her

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interview with Marie Villafana. Question, now, any of the girls

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that you brought, did any of them leave their names

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and numbers and then they would get appointments directly from Jeffrey?

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Or did they always go through you? Answer? They went

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through me hopefully. Question so you don't know Agent Richards

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jumps in. Question you weren't getting paid? Right? Answer? I

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told them, I said, I don't give them your number.

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Ms Villa Fauna. If you brought the same girl more

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than once, would you get paid each time you brought them?

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Or just get the initial two hundred? Answer every single

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time I brought a girl, okay? Or I refer to girl,

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I always got two hundred always question even if she

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came a second time? Answer? Yes, you would get two

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hundred every time she came. Answer yes, question good deal? Okay?

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What about redacted? Answer redacted? Question and he redacted that

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you brought to mister Epstein's house. Answer I brought a

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redacted question redacted? Where did she go to school? Answer?

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She didn't go to school. Question Okay, how did you

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know redacted? Question? Redacted been mine? She's my friend in

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the past. How did I meet redacted at a party?

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Or she was my Actually she was my baby father's

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girlfriend at the time, and I met her at a party.

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Question you asked her if she'd be willing to go

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to Jeffrey's house. Answer, uh huh. Question? And when do

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you remember when that would have been? Answer? Actually, a

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couple of weeks. A couple of weeks, I do remember,

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a couple of weeks after I met him. Question so

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you brought her pretty soon after you met Jeffrey? Answer

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uh huh. Question And how old was redacted? Answer seventeen.

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Question And what happened when you brought redacted? Answer the

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same thing? Question Okay, well, I know that sometimes you

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said that the girls would tell you what happened. Answer.

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She went in there, she had a mission. She gave

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a massage on his back. She won a couple of times.

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He liked her, she won a couple of times. The

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first time she told me that he didn't it was

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just like me. The first time. He didn't climax at all.

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Nothing happened. It was just a massage and then she

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went I think like two times after that, and yeah,

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he masturbated, but no touching. She didn't. There's no touching

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of him, no touching of her. None of my girls

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ever had a problem. And they'd call me. They'd beg me,

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you know, for us to go to Jeffrey's house because

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they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a respectful man, he really is,

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I mean, and he all thought we were of age always.

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This is what's so sad about it. Question, how would

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you make appointments for girls to go over there? Answer?

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I'd call them and they'd say, Hi, do you want

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to go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say yes or no,

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and we'd call a taxi. How would you know when

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Jeffrey was going to be in town? Answer? When Jeffrey

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was in town, Sarah would call me. Question did she

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always call when they were all ready in town? Or

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would she call? How far in advance would she call you? Answer?

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They only call me when they were in pom Beach.

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They never called me from anywhere. They've never called me

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from anywhere else. It's always when I was in pom Beach,

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they'd say, Hi, we're down here if you want to

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come and see Jeffrey, You're more than welcome to. Question

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So you wouldn't have like a specific time when you

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would go over, like be here at eleven or be

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here at two? Answer, Well, I tell them, I'd say, well,

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I mean I'd have to work around his schedule, he'd

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have to work around mine. Yeah, we'd say I'll be

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there at three, I'll be there at four or whatever.

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Question do you I know that you said you talked

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to Sarah on the phone. Was there anybody else that

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you would talk to on the phone? Answer? If Jeffrey

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wasn't there, like if I call him to see how

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he was doing or whatever, you know, he had his

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chef would answer the phone, his maid would answer the phone.

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Question But was Sarah the only one you talked to

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about making appointments? Answer? Uh, huh yeah, well yeah, if

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Jeffrey wasn't available, they'd, you know, he said, the chef

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or you know whoever said, Jeffrey will be back to

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you know, yah, Sarah made the appointments. Question So when

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you're calling to talk to Jeffrey, you were calling the

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house phone over on Palm Beach. Answer on huh yeah.

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Question and how often would you talk to Jeffrey on

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the phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants. Answer,

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Me and Jeffrey hardly ever talked on the phone. He

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was always busy. It was mostly Sarah. We talk when

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I would get there, you know, so it was like, Hey,

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do you want to come in? Yes? Cool? You know,

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come come there? No cool? Bye. Question do you know

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someone who works for Jeffrey named Nadia? Answer? I think

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I met her one time. Question and what do you

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know about her? Answer? She was there? And the person naughty?

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I think I'm not positive. Okay, I'm pretty sure. She

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said that she's from New York and she travels with Jeffrey.

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the girl that rings the bell you know in my head, naughty?

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I think is that one person that I met one time? Question?

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whether he was getting married. Did you ever know him

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to have a girlfriend or a steady girl? Answer? No,

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he told me he's never been married, he's never had

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a girlfriend, and he doesn't want to have a girlfriend.

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Question where you ever asked to bring a girl for

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someone else? Like to give Jeffrey a massage. But for

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somebody else, to anyone other than Jeffrey. Answer No, I

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gave Sarah a massage before. Question and how often did

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that happen? Answer? I only gave Sarah a massage like

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once or twice, not that often. Question but anybody else

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either any friends that were in town or they're cut

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off by Jane do two? No. See, my mother is

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a messuse and I have experienced massaging, and he always

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liked my massages. So he told Sarah about my massages

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and she said, yeah, I want a massage. So I'd

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go over there. I think it was one or two

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times and I'd give her a massage. Question Now, when

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the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey in the bedroom, what

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would you do? Answer? The chef would make me carved tomatoes,

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put some crab meat in it, and I'd just eat

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wine and dine. It was wonderful. Great question and when

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you would talk to the chef answer yeah, question would

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anybody else from the house be there? Answer? Yes, I

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don't know their names. I can't remember. There were like

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all these foreign girls from like they're very beautiful, beautiful

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models that are from different They have accents and no,

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but it was real interesting because we talk, and you know,

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I'd learn a lot from them, and they'd learn a

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lot from me just being American. And no, every time

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I went there, it was a good time, and I

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usually just ate, or i'd go in suntan or something

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near the pool. And how long would other girls be upstairs? Normally?

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Answer twenty five twenty thirty minutes. Agent Richard's question fac

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to her a dacted. Is there anything else about her

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that you can remember? You were friends with her, she

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went three times? You think did she go back without

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going through you or set up appointments that you know about? Answer?

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I don't know. Question Okay, were there any other redacteds

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that you brought? I know you brought other redacteds or

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multiple redacteds? Answer yeah, I don't know. If you would say,

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like a last name, then I would probably remember, but

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I don't question any redacted? Did you bring redacted? Answer redacted?

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Yeah that sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah, question redacted? Answer uh huh.

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Question what can you tell me about her? How old

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was she? Answer? She's older than me. Question do you

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know her from school? Answer? No? Where did I meet her?

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I met her in my neighborhood, and I asked her

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if she wanted to go, and yeah, she was only

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there one time, though. Question did she tell you how

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it went with them upstairs? Answer? Yeah? Question what did

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she say? Answer she said she's like, uh, I don't know.

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Question she freaked out or something? Answer? No, no, but

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I didn't want her again. He likes tall, slender, and

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she was like short. Question what did she say about him? Answer?

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She had fun? Question she had fun? Answer uh huh.

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Question what did she say happened up there? Answer? She

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was topless and just gave him a massage. He didn't

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you know climax or anything Villa fauna jumps in question

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did you ever either when you gave him a massage

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or any of the girls. Did you ever use a

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big back massager or was it only a manual massage? Answer? No,

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it was only my hands. We never used anything else.

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were going over Jeffrey's house to give massages, did you

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have a boyfriend? Answer yeah? Question okay, how did he

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feel about you going to Jeffrey's house? Answer he was jealous,

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a jealous little boy, but he didn't care. Bring home

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the bacon. Question what's your boyfriend's name? Answer redacted. Question now,

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Is that the baby's father? Answer no, thank god? Question

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who's the baby's father? Answer redacted? Okay? And were you

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still going to Jeffrey's house when you were pregnant? Answer?

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I would bring girls there when I was pregnant. Question

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over at Jeffrey's house? Answer no, he talked to Jeffrey

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over the phone. Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower,

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and he got me furniture and a nice rattle for

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my son, and just really nice things. I love mommy.

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Frames question was the shower at his house? And did

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he attend? Answer no, no, at my house, at my house,

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and no, Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent Sarah to

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bring me gifts for the baby. Question oh, okay. Question

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Villa fauna. Question did Jeffrey ask about your boyfriend? I

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mean was he curious about? Answer? Yeah, we always talked

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about everything. Yeah. Do you have a boyfriend? Yeah? No,

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you know, we talk like friends. I don't know just

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about our life stories. You know, he probably knows my

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whole life story. Agent Richards question, now do you still

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have contact with him or answer? Who? Question Jeffrey Answer no, no,

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No one's allowing me Villa Fauna. Question did he know

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that you wanted to be a model or is that

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or that you were aspiring to be one? Answer? Yeah,

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I told him yes, I've always wanted to be a model. Yes.

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huh yeah, And I was like, like I said, I

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was sixteen at the time, and I felt like he said,

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you know you can, I will definitely take you and

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bring you to New York and everything because he had

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models there. But I was always turned down because I

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Question what did you say to him? How did you

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put him off? Answer? I don't know. Oh, well, I

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don't know. He wasn't like begging me or anything. He

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asked me a couple of times, and I said, I

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just there was like, no say about it. I just

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didn't go. And it wasn't like he asked me all

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the time. He just it's a couple of times he asked,

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he said, I'll bring you to New York or whatever

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we do, and we can, you know, try to fulfill

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your dreams. But I always said no because I was

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young and I didn't want to screw up the eighteen thing.

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Question when you got pregnant, did he react in any way?

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you up your chances as a model, or offer any

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the questions interrupted by Jane Doe. Answer no question. I'm wondering,

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like how much he was giving you advice? How much

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stuff were you really? What did you talk about? Answer?

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totally changed, you know. I had a bad little girl,

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and I totally changed. My whole life changed. A couple

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I had my own life and he had his. So

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I don't know. Agent Richards question, did he ever make

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any arrangements knowing that you wanted to be a model

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photographers and stuff. I mean, did he ever set up

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what I wanted to do. But like I said, for

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the second time, question I mean in town here, not

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Answer no, because I always like stood back from that

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because I didn't want him to know that I was

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sixteen Villa Fauna. Question did you ever get money from

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Jeffrey when you didn't give him a massage or burn

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girls over? Answer? Yeah? Question okay, when did that happen? Answer?

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I had to pay a rent and I was laid

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on my rent. This was before the baby, and I

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asked him. I asked him for like three hundred. He

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gave me five hundred. I don't I couldn't tell you

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how I got it, if anything, I think I went

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to the house and got it. Question was he there

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when you got the money? Answer no? Question do you

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know was he in town or did you call him? Answer?

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I don't even I can't remember, but I just remember

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he did give me five hundred for rent. Question was

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that the only time that he gave you money that

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wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing a girl.

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Answer he bought gifts for the baby shower. I can't

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remember now, not off the top of my head. No,

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I never asked him for anything, because I just felt

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I'm not like that. You know, I'm not a user,

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and I'm not I don't like that. I've never asked

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him for money. Question what about presents, either birthday presents

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you mentioned, gifts for the baby, any other gifts that

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he gave you. Answer? Yeah, he gave me. He had

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went to Brazil and he came back with a whole

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bunch of bikinis and told me to choose one, So

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I chose one. Question any other gifts Christmas time or

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birthdays or anything like that? Answer no. Question. Did he

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give any of your friends that you brought gifts? Answer yeah,

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the girl who died redacted. He gave her a bathing

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suit from Brazil. All right, folks, you're going to wrap

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up right here, and in the next episode, we're gonna

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pick up where we left off. All of the information

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that goes with this episode can be found in the

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description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode

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of the Epstein chronicles in this episod. So we're getting

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right back to the interview given by Jane Do number

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two to Marie Villa Fauna. Question by Agent Richards, just

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to see if you recognize these or if you ever

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used any of these numbers that might have been old

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telephone numbers for you at some point. I don't know

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how many cell phones you may have had through the years,

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See if you recognize any of those? Answer redacted was

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my number, Miss Villa Fauna. Question What was redacted's number?

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Answer redacted? Question yeah, answer what my baby's father? Question? Yeah? Answer, Oh,

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I never knew his I always just you know, called him,

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and I never knew his number. Agent Richards question it

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was programmed in your phone? Answer? Yeah, so I don't know.

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I just know redacted because that was my old number,

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like a long time ago, Miss Villa Fauna. Question at

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the time you were bringing girls over to the house,

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you were also working a regular job. Answer. I worked

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at City Pizza for a little while, but no kind

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of retired and splurged. I didn't have any bills to pay.

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I saved, I put money in the bank. So question

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we had talked about redacted before. Do you know someone

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named redacted? Answer redacted? Uh huh? Question and who is that? Answer?

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I brought her a couple of times. Who is that? Question?

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I mean, did you go to school with her? Or

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how did you know her? Answer? Oh, I had asked

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one of my friends. I said, do you have any

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It was a guy friend. I said, do you have

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any girls that are willing to give massages? And I

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met up with her. I called her, I talked to

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her on the phone. I met up with her and

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she said, yeah. Cool. Question You said you took her

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over there a couple of times. Answer, Yeah, she went

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over there more. She went over there more than a

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couple of times. Question, but you brought her every time

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that she went over there? Answer that I know of?

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That I know of? Yeah. Question Okay, did you ever

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tell any of the girls that they would be going

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over to model Lingerie? Answer? No, I told them that

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we were going to Jeffrey's house and it's going to

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be a topless massage. Pretty much, anything you don't want

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to do, you don't have to do. And it's two

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hundred dollars. Bought a bing, bought a boom, you make

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two hundred and thirty minutes? Question did any of the

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girls complain about what happened after they left there? Answer? No,

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you asked me that question. No, everybody loved Jeffrey. Question

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no one called you and said, I think that you

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should call I think you should call the police. Answer no, question,

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no one ever told you that. Answer No, No, Oh

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my god. And who is that coming from. Question Well,

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we just have phone calls that seemed to contradict what

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you're telling us. Answer, Oh, so you think that people

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came to me and said that I'm going to call

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the police on Jeffrey Agent Richards. Question was there anyone

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that thought that what mister Epstein was doing was inappropriate

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and was concerned? Answer? Every girl that I brought to Jeffrey,

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they said they were fine with it, and like for

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instance redacted, a lot of girls begged me to bring

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them back. They wanted to come back for the money.

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And as far as I know, we all had fun there.

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We ate all the food he gave us, freebie kinneys.

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Know nothing about any cops. Question I mean, was there

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anyone there that thought what he was doing may have

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been a little bit wrong? Not wanting to report to

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the police, but just saying, you know, that's kind of

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weird answer. We talked about it, like because we were

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under age, but he thought that we were eighteen. We

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were like, hopefully that no one finds out. Hopefully Jeffrey

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doesn't find out. But other than that, no one's calling

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the cops. Villa Fauna. Was anybody upset that he was masturbating?

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I know that you said you told them that they

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would only possibly be doing the massage topless. They might

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have expected that was somebody shocked? Answer? Yeah, of course,

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I mean he always told them okay, and I told

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them too. I said, if you're going to go there,

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then you don't have to do anything that you're not

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comfortable with. A Couple girls when they did come out

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of there, they're like, oh my god. I wasn't expecting

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all of that. But he always asked them, and I

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asked them. They'd say that, you know, he asked me,

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are you comfortable with this? And they'd say yes. Maybe

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they were scared, who knows, But yeah, they came out

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there like, oh my god. That was kind of weird.

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You know. Yeah. Question, were any of them upset about it? Answer?

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Do they like regret it or something? Agent Richards question

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just shaken up you know, just kind of shocked answer.

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A couple of girls, Well, see, we were so young,

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and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing was

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shooken up when I brought them there. And see, I

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don't know, I thought that they were you know, most

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of the girls that I did bring there there were

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eighteen nineteen twenty. But I remember there was a couple

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of times I had brought like maybe sixteen year olds

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or something my age, and they I don't know, it's

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like they were scared to say that they were eighteen.

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They were like, if he finds out, and they were

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a little shook up about it and the age thing.

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But afterwards, like if he climbaxed or whatever, if they

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were like shooking up, I'm like, it's okay, you know,

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and they were like I wasn't expecting that, But they

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told Jeffrey that, you know, they were comfortable with it,

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if anything, and you know, maybe they were scared and

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they felt like a obligated like they didn't want to say.

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I was thinking that they didn't want to say, like no,

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you know, I don't want to do that. So who knows.

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I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn't tell you.

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Question who are the ladies who mentioned to you that

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they were kind of shocked? Answer usually the girls that

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I would bring, like one time, I wouldn't even see

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them again. Question can you help me out with some

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names though? Answer uh, no, I can't remember her name.

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She's on the top of my Oh my god, I

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don't remember. I can't remember Ms. Villa Fauna. Question none

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of the girls wanted to go to the authorities. Nobody

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was that upset that called you or spoke to you

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that was upset with what happened to the point that

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they were willing to report it. Answer no, if anything,

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thank you redacted so much because I really could use

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the money. Agent Richards. Question do you know the names

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of some of the girls that you brought? Answer huh.

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Question do you know the names of some of the

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girls that you've brought other than the ones that we've

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talked about right now? Answer like I said, I can't

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remember because usually cut off by another question there's about

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thirty of them, so you've got to know. Answer no,

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I don't know. I just asked them. I said, hey,

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would you like to make some money? Here's my number?

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Do you want to make money. Here's my number, you know,

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And that's how it went. So I don't remember the names,

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and I really didn't care to know their names anyway.

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Question do you know their phone numbers? Answer now? Question yeah,

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answer no. Question do you know any of their phone numbers?

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Answer no, No, that was years ago. Question we're just

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trying to find any other ladies out there that we

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haven't already seen, and you brought thirty of them, and

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we're just trying to answer. Oh, I don't know if

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I brought thirty of them. Question approximate answer yeah, No,

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I have no clue, no idea ms Villa Fauna. Question

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did you stay in touch with any of the girls

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that you've brought? Answer on huh, question redacted any of

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the girls that we've talked about. Did you ever when

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you were either bringing girls or when you were given massages,

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did you ever drink anything or take drugs? Whether it

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was a prescription drugs? Answer I heard this on the news. No,

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it's ridiculous. Answer you were never given drugs. Answer never.

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Question did any of the girls take drugs? Did you

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know that they were taking drugs? Answer? There was no alcohol,

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There was no drugs. No question. None of the girls

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that you've brought were using drugs? Answer no. Question and

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just so you know, redacted, we're not talking about necessarily

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crack cocaine. We're wondering if anybody was taking any prescription medication. Answer.

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I don't know. If they were taking prescription medication, that's

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their problem. I don't know. Question, And you didn't give

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anybody else any prescription drugs? Answer No. When I was sixteen,

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I smoked pot. But no, mister Eisenberg jumps in here. Okay,

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gang back on the record, and I assume you mean

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prescription medication, not prescription purposes the witness. I thought you

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met like for a prescription prescribed No, I don't know,

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Agent Richards, Okay, villefont. Question, but you aren't talking or

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taking any antidepressants or any pills or anything. Answer No,

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I just smoke pot. But I mostly went there sober.

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I was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey always made me feel

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so comfortable. I thought I was a big girl. I

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was eighteen. Question you said that you stopped. Why did

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you stop going over there? You said that you had

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a baby and you changed. Answer yeah, question what happened? Answer?

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Everything changed in my life? Everything I ended up getting

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a job, and I just stopped. I just stopped. I

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don't know. Question but if you felt comfortable, why did

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you stop going over there? Answer? I just stopped because

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I have a son now, and I didn't feel like

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it was right. First off, I was a stay at

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home mommy, okay, And what am I going to do

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bring my son over to Jeffrey's. No, you know, so

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I focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy.

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That was my pride and joy. I didn't care for

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anything else. I didn't care to tell friends. I dropped

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all my friends. Like he asked me, do I have

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any numbers? No, you know, if anybody does call me,

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that's my mother. Like. It was just me and my

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baby boy. And it's been like that ever since. Agent Richards.

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Question having a baby is a life changing experience, isn't it?

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Answer having a baby? Question? Yes, it's full time. Answer awesome,

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I love it. Question Yeah, he'll be two in August.

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Answer mine will be two in June. Villa Fauna, is

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that when you started working with the company you're working

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with now? Answer? Well, I was there the whole time

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I was pregnant. I was taken care of by my

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baby's father. Then I was to stay at home mommy

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for eight months. After that, I worked at Ala Fitness

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Romeo Pizza. It's been a year now, And what do

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you mean is that while I'm working? Question No, I

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just didn't know where you were working. I thought you

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said you had gotten a job afterwards after the baby

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was born. Answer. Yeah, I worked at the laundromat for

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a couple of days. I just like to I wanted

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to soak in my son. That's all I did. And

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I was like a hermit crab in the house, you know.

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And if anybody I told, I told Sarah. I said,

468
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you know, I have a baby now, and you know

469
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I'd rather stay home with my baby. My old man

470
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was taking care of me. I didn't care about money.

471
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Everything was good, So a new life agent Richards Question,

472
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speaking of work, when you set up appointments with Sarah,

473
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did she refer to what the girls were doing as work,

474
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like would they go over to Jeffreys to work for

475
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massage or answer? No? Question How did she were any

476
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terms used or just general? Did she ask you if

477
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you had any girls that can work or did you

478
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have any girls that can come over? Do you have

479
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any girls that can give Jeffrey a massage? How did

480
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she ask for these appointments? Answer all of the above.

481
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Do you have any girls that would like to come over?

482
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Do you have any girls that would like to work? Yeah?

483
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All the above. Really, I mean me and Sarah were

484
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really it's like a friend relationship. She's fun. No, it

485
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wasn't like specific like hey, you know, do you want

486
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to come over and work? No, it was all different

487
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message work whatever. Question Okay, Villa Fauna. You said that

488
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you and Sarah developed a friendly relationship. Did Sarah ever

489
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tell you what types of girls Jeffrey want or I

490
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think you said that sometimes she would say he likes

491
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this girl or I'm sorry, he likes that girl. Answer? Yeah.

492
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Question what exactly what guidance did you give about recruiting

493
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the girls? Answer? She didn't give me any guidance. Jeffrey

494
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from the get go, I really like women like you.

495
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So when I would go searching to make money or

496
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whatever are my girlfriends, I know what an attractive person

497
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looks like, and I would bring them. You know, I

498
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didn't bring any overweight people. I just knew that what

499
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Jeffrey liked, you know. Question did you ever talk to

500
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Sarah when you were given massages. Answer yeah, I didn't

501
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know if she knew or not. Question, I have a

502
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picture of someone. I'm just wondering if you recognize this person?

503
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Answer no, was she a girl that was over there?

504
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Answer just a face that we wanted to answer, Okay, no,

505
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I don't. Richard's question. When you would ask the ladies

506
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if they'd like to go over to Jeffrey's, what was

507
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the percentage how many people would say, sure, that sounds good,

508
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let's go do it, and how many would just say no,

509
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I'm not interested. I mean, do you have How often

510
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when you would ask the girls answer it was usually

511
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girls that I brought, the girls that I had brought,

512
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like the first five girls say, I would say, listen,

513
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you know, recruit your girlfriends, and would go down the line,

514
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recruit your girlfriends, and I will pay you guys. So

515
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if I was off the wall, say I was, you know,

516
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at a club or something, and I was like, hey, girl,

517
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do you want to go, they'd be like you're crazy,

518
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,519
you know. Question That's what I wondered. When you approach them,

519
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what was the reaction? Answer? But when I talked to

520
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them over the phone, if it was one of my

521
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girlfriends friends or one of their friends. I would tell

522
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them exactly and they'd be like, okay, you know, and

523
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some girls weren't comfortable with it, you know, how our

524
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,559
morals are or whatever. If you're comfortable with your body,

525
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,839
if you're comfortable with giving an old man a massage

526
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for two hundred bucks, question for thirty minutes. Answer, you

527
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200
know everybody is a different person. Question sure answer, but

528
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most of the girls were like, yeah, sure, villafana. Question

529
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did you ever say anything about you know, be careful

530
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,880
who you talked to about this? Or I guess I'm

531
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,160
wondering why, you know, were rumors going around at school

532
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,640
or how did everyone keep everything under wraps? Answer? Everybody knew.

533
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,519
I don't know. Everybody made jokes about it, like it

534
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,279
was not in school. It was more like in my neighborhood.

535
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,599
They would call me Heidi Fleisch and everybody just made

536
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,839
jokes about it. I don't know. It wasn't but I

537
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,039
didn't care. Question right answer, You know, it wasn't. If

538
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,920
you didn't get out, it wasn't really a big thing

539
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,880
to me at all. Question I guess I'm wondering, you know,

540
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,839
kind of the way that this all came out. Was

541
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,640
finally a parent found out about it? Answer? Yeah, I

542
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960
heard question and went ballistic. How did you keep the

543
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,960
girl's parents from finding out? Answer I don't know. Probably embarrassing.

544
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,279
They obviously like Jeffrey that much that they didn't tell anyone.

545
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Question did anyone hassle you at school? Did anybody call

546
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,039
you Heidi Fleisch at school? Answer? No, I was out

547
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of school by then. Question when did you drop out

548
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of school? Answer? Well, actually why? Question? I'm sorry I

549
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,359
interrupted you? Answer because no, you didn't. Well, my mother

550
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
had took me out of school to homeschool me, and

551
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then I had went back to school because I was

552
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,960
really behind because she didn't homeschool me. And I got pregnant.

553
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,480
That's why. And that's in the eleventh grade. That's when

554
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I got out because I was pregnant and I decided

555
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that I was I mean, I didn't know what I

556
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,759
was doing. I wanted to have a house. I said,

557
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I'm going to have this baby. I need to have

558
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a house, a car, and I set out all my

559
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,440
goals and that's what happened. But then I ended up

560
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getting my ged and I have a life agent Richards. Question,

561
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,759
were there ever any girls that came to you wanting

562
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,079
to work over there, that said, Hey, I'd like to

563
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,680
go over there and make two hundred? Did you have

564
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,759
any of that? Answer? Yeah. Question do you remember any

565
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,799
of their names or their classmates? Answer? It wasn't. I

566
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,400
wasn't involved in school so much. It was just some

567
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,480
girl in the school. Question Okay, so she was really

568
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,519
the only like school related answer like person from school? Yeah,

569
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,319
question okay, but it was mostly out of school, so

570
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:06,000
I wasn't really hanging out with the best crowd. And

571
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,079
all the people that I did hang out with they

572
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,039
were dropouts, So it wasn't anything in school. It was

573
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,880
mostly like neighborhood people or my friend, one of my

574
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,119
guy friend's girlfriends or whatever. You know, we were all

575
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,319
young and stupid. Question anything else? Do you have any

576
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,519
questions for us? For me? Answer? No, But I hope.

577
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,559
I hope Jeffrey nothing happens to Jeffrey because he's an

578
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,640
awesome man and it would really be a shame. It's

579
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,519
a shame that he has to go through this because

580
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,359
he's an awesome guy and he didn't do anything wrong nothing.

581
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Question are you in love with him at all? Answer?

582
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,119
Am I? God? No? I love him as a friend.

583
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,079
I love him as a friend. He has done so

584
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,039
much for me. No, I'm not in love with him.

585
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,480
I tell Jeffrey, do you want to marry me with

586
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,799
all that money that you have? Agent Richards, all right,

587
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,720
at this time, we're going to conclude the interview. It's

588
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,759
five point thirty four by my watch, miss Dreisenberg. The

589
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only thing we'll correct is that there might have been

590
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,519
a reference to an old guy at fifty, and we'll

591
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,920
just say a more mature individual who was in his fifties.

592
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Thank you. All right, So that's going to wrap up

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the interview with Djane do two and Marie Villa Fauna.

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