Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty three of five and Dive.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, July sixteenth. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein,
Speaker 1: joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey pattern Astro.
Speaker 1: The big update here is that we've recorded so many
Speaker 1: podcasts on members of my family's birthday. We're so close
Speaker 1: to my birthday, but that is tomorrow, so we are
Speaker 1: not recording on a member of my family family's birthday mine,
Speaker 1: but we are very close to it, So continue in
Speaker 1: the streak. Jeffrey, I want to get your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the World Cup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I don't so. I watched you going
Speaker 2: to Argentina yesterday and I do not have like I
Speaker 2: have a you know, association with sheffil Wednesday. I have
Speaker 2: a lot of expat friends who you know, pull for England.
Speaker 2: Several of them were at the game yesterday, but uh,
Speaker 2: like it was one of those games where it's like
Speaker 2: I'm watching it, I'm just like you fucking assholes, like
Speaker 2: you deserve like not the fans like they're like, just
Speaker 2: like what are you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: You fired Garrett Southgate to replace him with Thomas Tukele,
Speaker 2: who did the exact same thing. Once you got a
Speaker 2: one goal lead like late in the.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just discovering now. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: exonerate Toukel, but I just found out this morning right
Speaker 1: before yeah recording, honestly that both Kane and Tukel said
Speaker 1: after they scored the goal, the only thing they talked
Speaker 1: about was being more aggressive, like to continue to be
Speaker 1: on offense, and that.
Speaker 2: He pulled attacking players.
Speaker 1: So that was late. So the explanation being given is
Speaker 1: that the players weren't doing it right, that the players
Speaker 1: basically were playing scared and so and I'm not I
Speaker 1: think this is the wrong move, but I but at
Speaker 1: that point he said, well, if you're not going to
Speaker 1: do it like I'm just going to lean in and
Speaker 1: put actual defenders back there. If you're only going to play.
Speaker 2: This is literally the job of the coach and the
Speaker 2: captain to get them to that's right.
Speaker 1: That would be as I said, I think at that
Speaker 1: point you have to assert authority and say if you're
Speaker 1: not going to listen to me, here are some people
Speaker 1: that will. And I was like, you put it like
Speaker 1: you say, like he put in dan Burn and obviously
Speaker 1: but like you left Rashford, you subbed Rashford in in
Speaker 1: the ninetieth minute, yeah or whatever, right, Like they had
Speaker 1: subs that they could have gone to. He could have
Speaker 1: done some of both or whatever, but he didn't. So
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to exonerate him, but I
Speaker 1: I until just minutes ago, I had thought this was
Speaker 1: an entirely like his plan.
Speaker 2: Right, which is a very bad plan because you know
Speaker 2: which you're.
Speaker 1: Giving possession over over that long period of time. But
Speaker 1: it's not just Argentina. I the did you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts on France, Spain.
Speaker 2: Spain is just I think Spain had weirdly gotten a
Speaker 2: little underrated at this tournament because I mean they're the
Speaker 2: reigning the best team, right and they're the reigning European champions.
Speaker 2: They just beat France in the Euros in a very
Speaker 2: similar way, and like you can look at France and
Speaker 2: be like, okay, like a lot like Barcola and Elise
Speaker 2: are better than they were two years ago, right like
Speaker 2: and obviously Boppe was having a great tournament all along,
Speaker 2: but like Spain, just it's such a deep team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like unlike every other mountain, like England, but unlike
Speaker 2: most teams, like they go up one and they went
Speaker 2: up one nothing fairly early. Right, they have the penalty
Speaker 2: in the first half, but they're just gonna be like
Speaker 2: we're gonna like we're not gonna park the bus, We're
Speaker 2: just gonna keep the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's that's the thing about this, right,
Speaker 1: is that you complete defense by having possession. Right, It's
Speaker 1: not it's not just it's not very field.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I think from again, and I am
Speaker 1: I am an uneducated yeah, soccer watcher generally speaking, and
Speaker 1: I do love international tournaments. Like Spain I think has
Speaker 1: consistently been the best.
Speaker 2: Team, right. I mean there's always the the criticism of Spain,
Speaker 2: you know, really in between their sort of golden generation
Speaker 2: from two thousand and eight to twenty twelve and the
Speaker 2: current generation has been like they just try to pass
Speaker 2: the ball into the net, right, Like there's no they
Speaker 2: never have a strikes without without product. Yeah, and like
Speaker 2: they're still kind of like that, like you can see
Speaker 2: that bubbling. I'm like they don't. They're not always as
Speaker 2: aggressive as they could be. Obviously coubo Verdet took this
Speaker 2: thing out of it, but like couple Verdi like just
Speaker 2: have been like one of the best.
Speaker 1: Teams in the tournaments through ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they might have just been one of the
Speaker 2: better teams at the tournament. Yeah, but like the Portugal
Speaker 2: game wasn't great, right, Like they just kind of did
Speaker 2: enough to win, like they never like and like France,
Speaker 2: I think they had their credits them to France have
Speaker 2: really got out of second gear and in this game,
Speaker 2: like they just the Spain's midfield just dominated, like they
Speaker 2: just you.
Speaker 1: And you and I were I mean the the Pedro goal,
Speaker 1: the given the give and go was that was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I do someone someone said during the France game that
Speaker 1: like their their strategy is kind of like we have
Speaker 1: the best overall talent, like yeah, they'll think hopefully they'll
Speaker 1: figure it out, right and not the worst strategy, right.
Speaker 2: Deschamps has never played particularly exciting football, right, but it's
Speaker 2: been very effective, right, Like they had made back to
Speaker 2: back World Cup finals and won one of them. I
Speaker 2: think he was I believe he was the manager when
Speaker 2: they lost to Portugal in the finals of Euros. I
Speaker 2: don't know that for sure though, it was a ways back.
Speaker 2: But like obviously he's they have a very good tournament record.
Speaker 2: But I think you're starting to see the obviously it's
Speaker 2: going to take over. Now I'm curious, like you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, he kind of has the real Madrid of
Speaker 2: international soccer with the amount of talent in that team.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what he can what he can do
Speaker 2: with it going forward, I guess. But I thought Spain
Speaker 2: like just like, was the better team and deserve to win,
Speaker 2: like was very was very a business, very business like
Speaker 2: when for them, yeah yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Just took care of it, and Argentina is just h
Speaker 1: I said this online, but it's the call an ambulance,
Speaker 1: but not for me.
Speaker 2: Six Knicks comps to yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's again I root for Argentina, so I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be by like. I think that was
Speaker 1: a combination of some specific qualities about Argentina and England
Speaker 1: giving look, giving all the room for those qualities to
Speaker 1: come to the.
Speaker 2: Fort like still has to pick out the top corner there,
Speaker 2: like that's not like he had time and space to
Speaker 2: do it, but it's still not an easy shot, right.
Speaker 1: Like exactly, and look like they hit the they had.
Speaker 2: Their opportunity, they hit the post like they Also.
Speaker 1: I thought England was the better team really right until
Speaker 1: they parked the box. Yeah, I thought they were the
Speaker 1: better team and they get they gave them that. I
Speaker 1: think it was given away by him.
Speaker 2: They never also except they never place. They never play
Speaker 2: like as good a team as they are, right, Like
Speaker 2: they could play England, like they could play like Spain
Speaker 2: and continue to try to grind possession with the lead.
Speaker 2: They could play like Argentina and pressed with lee. Now
Speaker 2: that Arteina have had a ton.
Speaker 1: Of leads well right and then, and that was when
Speaker 1: they were good, when they were pressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they have the talent to do it now
Speaker 2: they their back line is shaky, like a lot of
Speaker 2: their there's like some fitness like Declan Rice wasn't fully fit,
Speaker 2: Sames wasn't fully fit, Soccer couldn't play. But there were
Speaker 2: like issues and a lot of that they were carried
Speaker 2: basically by belling him and Cane for large portions of
Speaker 2: the of the tournament. But like I mean, like sometimes
Speaker 2: that's how international soccer is, like your two world class players.
Speaker 2: Just like that's a lot of what Argentina is doing
Speaker 2: right now too, and like a lot of what France
Speaker 2: was doing like that that is you know, there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of like Greece winning the Euros out there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I thought it was just one of
Speaker 2: those games where and also I've like watched Wednesday do
Speaker 2: this for years too, so I just like see it coming,
Speaker 2: like why are you It's very difficult to defend like
Speaker 2: that for thirty thirty.
Speaker 1: Right, you can do And that was I watched some
Speaker 1: some stuff where a lot of the you know, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of former players on these various pairs.
Speaker 2: And they had no outlet that they made no attempt
Speaker 2: even when they like got the even when like Bellingham
Speaker 2: got the ball clearer run, every goalkick was like straight
Speaker 2: out of play, like they were.
Speaker 1: Not trying to And it's that's one thing for five
Speaker 1: to ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's if you want to do that. When it's
Speaker 2: seventy five minutes, bring on dan Burne Park the bus.
Speaker 2: Sure that if you're still up one, like, it's very hard,
Speaker 2: it gets harder the team, you know, the Argentina has
Speaker 2: to take more chance. At that point, Argentina had like,
Speaker 2: first of all, they're confident they can come back, they've
Speaker 2: done it a bunch, but also like they know they
Speaker 2: have time, they have so much time, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they were doing a good job generally speaking,
Speaker 2: they're denying Messy the ball or bodying up on him
Speaker 2: when he got it, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you give him that much time in space, like well, when.
Speaker 1: They moved him, they moved and yeah, credit to to
Speaker 1: Scloni Scaloney, thank you. They moved him out to the
Speaker 1: right side, out of the middle. Yeah, and he had
Speaker 1: a little more room than than to work with.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I he was almost playing like right
Speaker 2: back at times in their formation, like he was drafting Dave.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what the formation was at
Speaker 1: various points, but it was. Yes, it's so many, Like
Speaker 1: you said, the the Spain France game was very business
Speaker 1: like every Argentina game has been a banger ultimately, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it I don't know, very fun, very fun. Thank you
Speaker 1: to our listeners for indulging us on this, But I
Speaker 1: honestly I don't. I messaged, I messaged Jeff some, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I have been saving it for for the pops. Actually, Patrick, welcome,
Speaker 1: welcome back. How is Deck?
Speaker 3: It's Deck?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I I do wonder if people to listen to the
Speaker 2: show are confused.
Speaker 3: Apparently the Discord has just alerted us to the fact
Speaker 3: that people aren't confused. Patrick is is not a deck
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Speaker 2: The original deck building game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Basically, the thing about the deck is that every spring
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Speaker 2: See I was also confused. I thought you were putting
Speaker 2: a new deck in.
Speaker 3: No, I'm well constantly the deck of the Yes, yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: So every every year I paid the deck tax and
Speaker 3: I bought eight new boards and see her it was
Speaker 3: sixteen and went okay, well I better just like redo.
Speaker 2: The whole when he's not the picture there's like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: this looks like a half finished deck. That makes sense.
Speaker 3: It is nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just the part that was finished, was finished a
Speaker 1: while ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, the deck needs one more coat of paint to
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Speaker 3: very upset. So, you know, we went through the decision
Speaker 3: of picking the color, and the last color we got
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Speaker 3: too like redwood that isn't actually red, like it's redwood
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Speaker 3: I like this color. It's pink A yeah, I can't
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Speaker 3: so I can just put a second first coat, no
Speaker 3: real loss. But I so, just to text myself, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it was I really this off picking the color because
Speaker 3: I wanted lighter than what I had, but I didn't
Speaker 3: want it to be down light. So I took a
Speaker 3: paint card from the Harbor Store and I brought it
Speaker 3: home and I'm looking at the paint card, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: maybe it just screwed up. Maybe I can get my
Speaker 3: money back, Like this color is not the color on
Speaker 3: the deck. And I go outside and I'm holding up
Speaker 3: the paint card. I'm like, yeah, no, this is wrong,
Speaker 3: Like this is totally wrong. And I'm I'm like my
Speaker 3: I am looking straight at it. And then I put
Speaker 3: the paint card on the deck and it immediately comes
Speaker 3: the exact color at the deck, just like just like
Speaker 3: optical illusion went. No, I just suck.
Speaker 1: So I think context that happens to me with colors, right,
Speaker 1: like you, especially when you're looking at so many options,
Speaker 1: right like you're like, oh, this is different, and then
Speaker 1: you hold it right up next to it and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: how how did that work? That it was different somewhere else?
Speaker 1: But what exactly the same here?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: That's been your your soccer and deck talk. There was Look,
Speaker 1: I apologize people, this is not what people are here for.
Speaker 1: There's limited baseball banter when we have to make the
Speaker 1: whole show out of essentially banterable material during All Star Week. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we'll go to our first segment air Jordan. Jordan Walker
Speaker 1: won the home run derby in both dramatic and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know his his blood pressure wasn't raised.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: Mad a question, but without without urgency. I felt like
Speaker 1: from from his side.
Speaker 2: When Wednesday won the playoff semi final against peter Borough
Speaker 2: with the big comeback, obviously they went penalty kicks and
Speaker 2: they put like their four obvious penalty kick guys as
Speaker 2: the first four and they all scored. So I remember
Speaker 2: sitting there in my where was I I was at
Speaker 2: Waterwitch watching on my phone. Uh, Like I'm like, who's
Speaker 2: gonna go up for the fifth penalty kick? Like I
Speaker 2: have no idea, Like they've and they needed to win
Speaker 2: because Peterborough and this once and like Jack Hunt, who's
Speaker 2: their right back, comes up and like, I know, you
Speaker 2: got to be very careful. And while I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that's it, Like like he's got a good cross eyes.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: center backs taking penalties in this World Cup and it
Speaker 1: has not panned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he walks up and I just fine, like
Speaker 2: this is like the super pressure situation. And he's like
Speaker 2: he was a veteran right back at that point, and
Speaker 2: like the keepers coming out with the ball to kind
Speaker 2: of like try to intimidate him, right. I remember looking
Speaker 2: at He's just sitting there chewing gum like completely like
Speaker 2: not even like at one point he almost kind of
Speaker 2: like it's not like a smerk, but it's almost like
Speaker 2: a like a little like chortal like but the keeper
Speaker 2: trying to stay it over and then he chips it
Speaker 2: into the top corner. And that's kind of how I
Speaker 2: felt watching Jordan Walker, Like he's got all the Philly
Speaker 2: fans like Bow and m he doesn't get off to
Speaker 2: a great start and they just like it's yeah.
Speaker 1: We So we talked about this ultimately. The fields felt
Speaker 1: pretty even. I mean this this is not this is
Speaker 1: a good part to hit home runs, yep, But I
Speaker 1: think we specifically talked about it in regards to Walker,
Speaker 1: like he's just so.
Speaker 2: Strong, yeah that he can actually like he pulled most
Speaker 2: of these, like he wasn't whipping them straight down the line.
Speaker 1: Also put someone out, and he did. He did pull
Speaker 1: most of them, but part of the strength, to me,
Speaker 1: I guess, is the point it was pulled. But he
Speaker 1: had a lot of flat line drive home runs that
Speaker 1: I don't think without his strength and his the exit
Speaker 1: below he gets off his bat because of his you know,
Speaker 1: he and Kim and Arrow swing.
Speaker 2: So hard, like it didn't even look like he was
Speaker 2: swinging that.
Speaker 1: But that's the point is that it is hard with it.
Speaker 1: He swings that hard without it looking that way. Like
Speaker 1: I always forget he swings as hard as he does
Speaker 1: because it is it's long, and he's he's so lanky, right,
Speaker 1: he's such a tall guy. But he just generates such
Speaker 1: force off of it. But again, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of those guys without his his height and his levers
Speaker 1: and and the exit below imparted on it. Those line
Speaker 1: drives are hitting the wall or hitting the morning track
Speaker 1: or whatever, and his just carry He was fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah, Like it's I'm not the new
Speaker 2: formats fine.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. I thought I would. I thought
Speaker 1: I would dislike it, and I did not mind.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, it feels like if they're like
Speaker 3: there were fewer like six ball, straight ball.
Speaker 1: They're not trying to go as fat right the whole.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I feel like in the old system
Speaker 3: you can see hitters just waiting for middle middle in
Speaker 3: anytime a picture like.
Speaker 1: Which old system at this point, the old system, the
Speaker 1: out system. Yeah, that is a nightmare. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: also just takes so long because if you have someone
Speaker 1: hit you know what was it, Josh Hamilton hid thirty
Speaker 1: five homers or whatever, it just went on forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I guess you could technically do if you did
Speaker 1: it all on the last ball right here, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I like that because it's like it's not with
Speaker 2: the time system, Like it's more frenantic, like it's cool
Speaker 2: to see guys get into a rhythm and things like that,
Speaker 2: but you can kind of like tell if it's going
Speaker 2: to be close or not at a certain point. And here,
Speaker 2: like Walker looked like he was going to be done,
Speaker 2: but there's always the the last ball, which is kind of.
Speaker 1: The hero ball thing. I don't know, like it's it.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, and I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: doesn't work.
Speaker 3: It was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was great fun honestly, so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it didn't work, but it feels weird
Speaker 1: to me to construct a swing based any swing except
Speaker 1: the last ball.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the caveat to say, like we
Speaker 1: know this system isn't actually that good. We need to
Speaker 1: save it. Yeah, with this thing. Now, I'm a proponent
Speaker 1: of the clock I really like and maybe this is
Speaker 1: just me being tied up. I hated the outs system
Speaker 1: and I thought the clock saved the home run derby,
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm just a little too beholden to it
Speaker 1: in that sense. I do not think the clock was perfect.
Speaker 1: I think where you don't get to fully admire the
Speaker 1: home runs and it was just a race and like
Speaker 1: guys were pitching before the ball landed whatever, like all
Speaker 1: of that was no good. So I understand why they
Speaker 1: were trying to get away from it. And it was
Speaker 1: also it was just too much time. Yeah, three minutes
Speaker 1: or whatever. They had too much time at you know,
Speaker 1: for one player at a block of time. But I
Speaker 1: would have loved to see tweaks to the clock BA
Speaker 1: based system that said this was good, This was great fun.
Speaker 1: There was drama in it. It was it worked.
Speaker 2: It is funny that like like one of the advantages
Speaker 2: that you think of this says will be able to
Speaker 2: actually like track the home runs and like have like
Speaker 2: a more sort of like you know, you could cut
Speaker 2: like we're crazy. Yeah, And they were using like the
Speaker 2: what like the White Sox dirt cam for some of
Speaker 2: these shots too, instead of like showing it from behind,
Speaker 2: like you couldn't even really see where the pitch was coming,
Speaker 2: Like is he gonna swing at this? Like you couldn't tell,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Honestly, give me a picture and picture of the the
Speaker 1: I don't even mind give me a picture and picture
Speaker 1: of especially when it's Jordan Walker, someone's pulling the ball
Speaker 1: only basically of that down the line thing where you
Speaker 1: get to see his full swing and can watch it
Speaker 1: the whole way. They need. I think they need to
Speaker 1: do more picture and picture stuff with this where you
Speaker 1: can watch the full arc but then have the other.
Speaker 2: I also think we need to move around so be it.
Speaker 2: We need to break out like the NHL glowpuck from
Speaker 2: the nineties, so we can actually like track like the
Speaker 2: tail the tail. I want the tail on the ball too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which brings us to so that we talk format.
Speaker 1: It brings us to the Netflix. Patrick, you've been quiet.
Speaker 1: I understand being quiet during soccer. Did you partake in
Speaker 1: any of this?
Speaker 3: Uh? I had to watch it in retrospect because of
Speaker 3: deck Okay, and that is not the way to watch.
Speaker 1: Sure, Like No, I wouldn't, I honestly I would tell
Speaker 1: you if I missed it, I wouldn't go back for it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, none of this actually matters.
Speaker 3: I'm not I didn't make it through all of it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, well why would you?
Speaker 3: It's so first of all, thoughts on Jordan Walker, Like
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker is designed to look like both his face
Speaker 3: and his swing are both designed to look not effort
Speaker 3: the kind of kind of like I think everybody has
Speaker 3: the same swing, but not everybody has the same follow
Speaker 3: through yet, and Jordan Walker does not bother with a
Speaker 3: follow through, Like he stops the follow through like sooner
Speaker 3: than the follow through would naturally stop. Like it almost
Speaker 3: feels like he breaks on it. Uh, it's like the
Speaker 3: hit version of recoil, but without the effort like it
Speaker 3: just it's not like he is like jerking to stop
Speaker 3: the bat so that you feel the effort of it.
Speaker 3: It just makes the swing look like he is not
Speaker 3: swinging his hard right.
Speaker 2: It's just like my swing goes from here to here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why bother with the rest of it? How it feels.
Speaker 2: But even his celebrat like he obviously hit well like
Speaker 2: six in a row whatever, Like even was not like
Speaker 2: super you know, ambulance, right, Like, it wasn't like he
Speaker 2: like like yeah, like I think one of his TV
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: Very chill children. Yeah, yeah, no, they did keep cutting
Speaker 1: to them. That was one of the cuts that was enjoyable.
Speaker 1: His family with the picture of them on the field
Speaker 1: with him was great. I thought he had some wonderful
Speaker 1: things to say about inspiring you know, hopefully inspiring uh
Speaker 1: black kids to keep playing baseball and to stick with it.
Speaker 1: So a very thoughtful person. But but you know, it's
Speaker 1: the idea of like a man of few words, except
Speaker 1: like just a man of few act Like his actions
Speaker 1: are like you said, laconic, right, Like, it's just there's
Speaker 1: a brevity.
Speaker 2: To it, all right, it's like very like it stands
Speaker 2: like in stark. It's a very stark reversal of like
Speaker 2: Pilanzo at the home run der right, the very different energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the last question we have here on this subject
Speaker 1: is it better than the actual game. I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: It was better than this actual sure. Well it's like.
Speaker 2: So the thing about that we can kind of transition
Speaker 2: to them, and I will.
Speaker 1: To my point about not going back to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I caught parts of the All Star game. I did
Speaker 1: not make it a point to sit down and watch it,
Speaker 1: and I did not and will not go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just you.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's not it's just not important. All of
Speaker 1: these all of these sports all star games have right,
Speaker 1: this is just the changing kind of the same issue.
Speaker 2: Right, It's a changing sports TV landscape, right, And by changing,
Speaker 2: I mean like from the early nineties, like starting in
Speaker 2: the early nineties, right, Like you just you can see
Speaker 2: show he Ti all the time if you want.
Speaker 1: To, yes, right, Like, this is the thing they're all
Speaker 1: facing is that there's an a availability that didn't used
Speaker 1: to be there, and it takes any in all urgency
Speaker 1: out of right these these mid season.
Speaker 2: And even with like inter league playing it like if
Speaker 2: you if you really wanted to see show Heeo Tani
Speaker 2: pitch to Aaron Judge, like that probably happened in a
Speaker 2: Dodgers Yankees game several times in the last few years,
Speaker 2: right for something that actually probably means more than the stakes.
Speaker 1: With stakes even in a regular season game, there are
Speaker 1: states that don't exist. I've long been a proponent and
Speaker 1: they've they've done it kind of I think, like I
Speaker 1: like the college basketball All first team, you know all
Speaker 1: NCAA First team, second team thirteen and they've done that.
Speaker 1: They have voting for that at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: And there's no game play. They do not play like
Speaker 1: an All Star game. You just get named to here's
Speaker 1: your performance. And what's great about it to me is
Speaker 1: it's a full season. It's not a partial season, and
Speaker 1: and it's it is an honor based on your full season.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no actual game. I think they should
Speaker 1: they are doing that, but there's still they're still doing
Speaker 1: the game, which doesn't It just doesn't really make sense,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Do you know I don't know something. I have to
Speaker 2: look this up.
Speaker 1: Anyone who was on any of the first teams.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I was going to, uh ask if you knew who
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks were in the Pro Bowl this year?
Speaker 3: Well, wasn't Uh wasn't it Dean Sanders kid one of them?
Speaker 2: No, I mean he was on the I don't know
Speaker 2: if he actually played. He did end up on.
Speaker 3: How like nobody goes it was a real King Rayolf situation.
Speaker 2: So the let's see, the AFC quarterbacks were. The AFC
Speaker 2: quarterbacks were somebody like m I am now trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how both was and Joe Flacco, who both
Speaker 2: played for the Bengals last year.
Speaker 1: Well they both they both really played. I mean they
Speaker 1: both played a fair amount. Seriously, Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was on the All Protein. No, the Pro
Speaker 2: Bowl team Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: I thought they called them. That's not the All Protein.
Speaker 2: The All Pro is different.
Speaker 1: So they do the same MLB, they do a game
Speaker 1: and okay, anyway.
Speaker 2: Well they have a they have a the All Pro
Speaker 2: rosters like more prestigious, okay than the Pro Bowl. Okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean it's just like there's no this
Speaker 2: is sort of like a vestigial thing, but also not
Speaker 2: going to give it up because they get paid money
Speaker 2: for it. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's somehow one of the like quote unquote
Speaker 1: jewel yeah events, even though it's shitty. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think, like I said, I think every
Speaker 1: league is is struggling. I think the reason it's it's
Speaker 1: a jewel of it obviously is everything else is stopped.
Speaker 1: It's the if you want baseball, it's the only place
Speaker 1: to go unless you live near a complex. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Like it is the only thing going on in the
Speaker 1: sport and so there's all eyes on one thing, but
Speaker 1: like it's also all eyes on one thing that's not
Speaker 1: worth watching.
Speaker 3: But in most not just the sport unless you care
Speaker 3: about soccer. Every four years, yeah, every four years, there's
Speaker 3: no other, right, normally the MLS.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, season would be ongoing.
Speaker 2: I suppose it's it started. They took a break, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they started up towards the lot, towards towards the end
Speaker 2: of the World Cup. They're playing again. Okay, Well, maybe
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't trying to spy.
Speaker 2: I mean you could have. You could have. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I got offered a ticket, but Jess was out last.
Speaker 2: Even I couldn't go. I could have gone and watched
Speaker 2: real like against Burnley last night.
Speaker 1: I will be attending a DC United in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I I think I guess it. I
Speaker 1: was thinking. They always talk about like the sports solstice
Speaker 1: or whatever, all things are going on, but this this baseball,
Speaker 1: the four major sports, and again soccer has entered that
Speaker 1: conversation in a way it hadn't when we were younger, right.
Speaker 2: But they are going to move MLS to a fall
Speaker 2: winter schedule, so at.
Speaker 1: Some point it's gonna be right where it's is like
Speaker 1: the only thing going on. Yeah, and so you have to,
Speaker 1: but they don't have anything worth worth doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know, like you could do the
Speaker 2: NBA like pick teams and play shorter games things, I guess.
Speaker 1: But then he struggles too.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone cares about that.
Speaker 1: They actually they get participation because the players like playing
Speaker 1: in it. But there's no, it's not competition, right, the
Speaker 1: competition similar to the Homer in Derby. The competition is
Speaker 1: the Homer in Derby. The competition is the three point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not even.
Speaker 1: It's not like stru to get participants in the dunk contest.
Speaker 2: I don't like. And obviously they're doing more. They have
Speaker 2: like the red carpet event right like now too, and
Speaker 2: like I think you can make it more of a
Speaker 2: celebration of the game without needing to play a game
Speaker 2: at the end of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And look, I think it would take some creativity.
Speaker 1: It would probably take trying some things that we would
Speaker 1: criticize and that would fail and whatever, but I think
Speaker 1: it's probably worth exploring that, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I don't want that. I mean, you guys
Speaker 3: can have it. I have zero interest in that, but.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying I think the sports should do.
Speaker 1: It might not be for me, but the sport should
Speaker 1: probably do because I don't think the All Star games work. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: Say the one pleasure of the All Star Game that
Speaker 3: we don't really get again until the playoffs start is
Speaker 3: the everybody watching one game. And this is the thing
Speaker 3: I missed by not being able to watch it live,
Speaker 3: and why it's so worthless to watch things in review
Speaker 3: is like, and why I think the All Star Game
Speaker 3: is still better than the home run derby and personally,
Speaker 3: first of all, I wonder, I do worry how many
Speaker 3: home runs can you have diminishing returns? The concept exists
Speaker 3: for everything, and I don't know. I watch fifty home
Speaker 3: runs in one hour, and I think the fiftieth home
Speaker 3: run is not as fun as the first home run,
Speaker 3: like and it takes away from all future home runs.
Speaker 3: Like in my life, I can only have so much
Speaker 3: finite appreciation for the home run as a concept, and
Speaker 3: this is taking a little bit of it. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's healthierne but so that don't have
Speaker 3: to be for me, but at least with an All
Speaker 3: Star Game, various things could happen and therefore various jokes
Speaker 3: can be made about them, And that is the only,
Speaker 3: to me, the only value of the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: Most of what happens in game interviews, right.
Speaker 3: The All Star Game can be bad as long as
Speaker 3: it's Mano's hands of Fate bad.
Speaker 1: My my wife did say, like with all the in
Speaker 1: game interviews, from even just the portion that we watched,
Speaker 1: they were like, She was like, it really does exposed
Speaker 1: baseball is like they can do an She was like,
Speaker 1: I understand the game doesn't matter, but like they can
Speaker 1: have a conversation while they're playing the game.
Speaker 3: I hate it.
Speaker 1: That's not She was like, I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the endorsement that they really wanted to do.
Speaker 2: The first time I saw this used in like real competition,
Speaker 2: in a real sporce competition was the PBA Tour. So
Speaker 2: that probably tells you something bowling, Yeah, yeah right right.
Speaker 1: So, so we briefly touched on the production and all
Speaker 1: the cut and and and the camera or whatever I
Speaker 1: have to we do have to bring up for the
Speaker 1: for the derby, the announcers, the coffee table, the commentabe
Speaker 1: the commentary was atrocious.
Speaker 2: Look at a certain point for something like this, you
Speaker 2: really just need Chris Berman going nuts, right, like that's
Speaker 2: I know you, but like.
Speaker 1: You need like there's no like I cannot harken back
Speaker 1: for Chris Berman well here, but like it's but you
Speaker 1: might need some someone in that you need.
Speaker 2: The energy like they're not meeting the moment of the spectacle, right.
Speaker 1: There's someone who was trying to It wasn't. First of all,
Speaker 1: they had a million people. I never identified themselves at
Speaker 1: any point, and then they Rizzo was okay as far
Speaker 1: as I could tell. But then they had someone else
Speaker 1: who was u goodly annoying.
Speaker 2: But like you don't it's not you don't need analysis.
Speaker 2: It's batting practice, right, you just need to like.
Speaker 1: You need you need someone with a childlike wonder who.
Speaker 2: I don't want run Sacafe doing it to be clear,
Speaker 2: but like it just is, Oh, look at that one.
Speaker 2: It's like the you know the ship the I did
Speaker 2: the Alan Partridge World Cup soccer video. You're like he's
Speaker 2: got a foot like a tractor engine, like you yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you need that kind of like energy for the home run.
Speaker 2: It's like like you need uh, you.
Speaker 1: Just need his names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like peak Gus Johnson, right, like you
Speaker 2: just yeah, Like it's not like you don't have to
Speaker 2: be like, wow, he's trying to pull the ball, Like
Speaker 2: we know what he's trying to do. We've seen home
Speaker 2: we know how home runs work. Like if we're watching this, right,
Speaker 2: do you see, Like you just need like as much
Speaker 2: like hyperbole as possible for this stuff. Yeah, like Junior
Speaker 2: Camonaros hitting balls four ninety like just like lean into it.
Speaker 3: Right, just flip out, yeah, yeah, because it's the same
Speaker 3: it's a home run, and then it's another home run.
Speaker 2: And then Jim Ross is got by as God as
Speaker 2: my witness, he's broken in half, Like I can't have
Speaker 2: irony pro wrestling. Yeah you need like yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I Also there was a point at which they kept
Speaker 1: bringing up Jordan Walker. No cardinal has ever won it,
Speaker 1: and they were like, you go through all the cardinal
Speaker 1: hitter greats, and they I don't know, they mentioned two.
Speaker 1: They mentioned too McGuire, neither neither of whom was Albert Pooholes.
Speaker 3: He was on a couch on the brug next to
Speaker 3: his coffee too.
Speaker 1: Next to his coffee table. How literally literally, my wife,
Speaker 1: who is exposed to a lot of baseball, likes baseball,
Speaker 1: but is not, you know, a baseball Norman was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even say it. She goes, Albert pool Holes
Speaker 1: is right there.
Speaker 2: Well, who is the other one? That McGuire?
Speaker 1: And they said McGuire and who did they?
Speaker 2: They said, we're picking like holiday.
Speaker 1: It was someone in that mold. I'm forgetting who it was.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't literally Albert Pooholes.
Speaker 2: It was Jack Clark.
Speaker 3: Jaggery was conta bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it truly was. And now I think they went
Speaker 1: old like someone older than then Maguire maybe I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I feel bad.
Speaker 2: I don't understand me the deal.
Speaker 3: It might it might have been.
Speaker 1: No, it was Jack Clark.
Speaker 3: It was literally Jack Clark.
Speaker 1: It was Jack Clark. It was Jack Clark and and
Speaker 1: maguire and it's like.
Speaker 2: Hello, you know obviously musical and pooh Holes are one
Speaker 2: to you know, who's third on the all time Cardinals
Speaker 2: onund list?
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Let's see. I mean, Clark wasn't around long enough.
Speaker 2: Clark's not even in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3: The the it can't be really Langford but at least
Speaker 3: Langford was there forever Langford. That's okay, boy Jim Bomsley.
Speaker 2: Eighth, it's a we won't get bogged. It's Ken Boyer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you good. You could say that and
Speaker 3: no one is gonna be like Ken Boyer. That's impossible.
Speaker 3: He was only on the team for like yeah, he
Speaker 3: was only on the team for like nine years or something.
Speaker 2: You know, we're doing the I've seen like the White
Speaker 2: Sox are doing like the throwback broadcast, right, we need
Speaker 2: to do it like a nineteen sixties home run derby,
Speaker 2: like the Black and White at like the old Rickley
Speaker 2: Field in LA.
Speaker 3: Just behind the camera, behind side of the plate. Yept
Speaker 3: cut to the dugout where they interview the other guy.
Speaker 2: Yep, they should all be smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Nobody in the stands. No, yes, ye, balls hitting parked cars.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I think I.
Speaker 2: Miss that. ESPN showed a like nine in the morning, like, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: We we did have an actual game, yes, such that
Speaker 1: any of us. Yeah, managed to take it in our
Speaker 1: second segment. Hey, now you're an all star. There was
Speaker 1: there was the game.
Speaker 3: It was uh.
Speaker 1: Limited, limited fireworks, limited action. If you liked strikeouts, sure
Speaker 1: this was one for you, h the crowd. If you
Speaker 1: liked people from Philly, well, this was one for you,
Speaker 1: I guess if you if you liked watching people getting booed, this.
Speaker 2: Was Why are they actual people from Philly or are
Speaker 2: they just rich people that have moved to Philly at
Speaker 2: some point?
Speaker 1: Well, okay it was McGonagall, bood, I don't think he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think McGonagall and and you know Trout also neither. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well mcgonald's delco right, yeah, I think Trout, you know,
Speaker 1: just a Philly fan. So they appreciate, the appreciate, appreciate.
Speaker 2: Long argument in the group chat. Millville is not a
Speaker 2: suburb of Philly.
Speaker 1: It is. Look, and I understand right there, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get but it's my point being was it was
Speaker 1: a different state. I understand that there's you get into
Speaker 1: the exurbs or it's all fine, but uh, the one
Speaker 1: for nothing. Michel Vargas never wrong, just early hit a
Speaker 1: home run off his friend and minor league teammate Justin
Speaker 1: Robleski Christopher Sanchez rough first inning, and then it was,
Speaker 1: you know, like smooth sailing in a boring way until
Speaker 1: the Vargas home run. Again just not not a lot
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the MVP was Cody Bellinger because he, like I guess,
Speaker 3: he just led the game.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be it was basically gonna be him
Speaker 1: or Vargas.
Speaker 2: He had the game winning RBI. Yeah exactly, he had
Speaker 2: the old like yeah, nineteen eighties game winning RBI. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: We the item on our discussion here is does it
Speaker 1: feel more obsolete than it used to? We had that discussion.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: So I don't know anything else we want to see.
Speaker 2: I mean some of this is, you know, Otani's not there,
Speaker 2: judges and like some of the bigger stars weren't there
Speaker 2: for various reasons, which I think, you know, Misrowski didn't
Speaker 2: throw like some of the right like what was really
Speaker 2: gonna like it needed a hook, right, Like you need
Speaker 2: a hook for these sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well I'm like, no shade to the al which is
Speaker 1: one a lot of routeen thirteen or fifteen something like that.
Speaker 1: But it was just like there's a lot of and
Speaker 1: again no shade to these guys. But it was a
Speaker 1: lot of Jacob Lats and Louis Arland, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and and shame on Dave Roberts. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of Justin Robleski and one one batter of Mason Miller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: You just suck at any air that is potentially there.
Speaker 1: Roberts is sucking out with his with his choice of things.
Speaker 3: Now that I should have just had.
Speaker 2: Like I know, Christmas Sanchez is a good season. It's
Speaker 2: in Philly. Fine, they said, Mason Miller start this game.
Speaker 3: That the.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cast the same aspersions on Schneider,
Speaker 1: whose roster was just mostly relievers. So like he did
Speaker 1: what he what he had. Roberts, why why so much
Speaker 1: re BLESSI I mean, like I do wonder how much
Speaker 1: of it is like teams saying please don't whatever you
Speaker 1: can do to not use it, and he's with the
Speaker 1: Dodgers and kind of like, all right, I don't care
Speaker 1: if I use Justin it might come down to that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is the reason they're never gonna tell us
Speaker 1: that really, But as a viewer for the All Star Game,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, this is you know, look, he's
Speaker 1: having a nice season. Fine, it's a lot of Justin Fleski,
Speaker 1: a guy who should just be like happy to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say, like the All Star game
Speaker 3: is obsolete. We have constant in league play. The novelty
Speaker 3: is gone. I feel like you could take the game
Speaker 3: in one of two directions and the league is clearly
Speaker 3: picked which one it is, and one of them has
Speaker 3: wrestling rings and fireworks on the infield and in the
Speaker 3: game concert who was who was the inding game concert?
Speaker 3: This time I did not voice, Man, it would make sense.
Speaker 3: That's one direction you could go, and the other direction
Speaker 3: you could go is not all those things, and just
Speaker 3: be like, hey, we're just gonna have a chill time
Speaker 3: and everyone's just gonna play a game and we know
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, and you don't know it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: and you know, just have fun and watch this game
Speaker 3: and not have not try to make like if it
Speaker 3: sucks or if it's if it's meaningless. The problem is
Speaker 3: that the the amount of money that is invested in
Speaker 3: trying to make it seem like it isn't. If you
Speaker 3: just accepted it for what it was and not made
Speaker 3: it a thing, which it has to be a thing
Speaker 3: because it's worth money, then it would be fun. We
Speaker 3: could all just hang out and watch a game together
Speaker 3: and just goof and it would be fine. But everything
Speaker 3: the league has done to try to make this game
Speaker 3: more of a thing, makes it less of a thing
Speaker 3: to me, even watching even watching like highlights. As soon
Speaker 3: as they interviewed Bobby Wit, I had to I just
Speaker 3: not even had to. I instinctively pause the video. I
Speaker 3: cannot listen to an athlete speak while they're playing on
Speaker 3: a field. I mean, they don't do it.
Speaker 2: They have exactly one move, right, and it's like the
Speaker 2: endgame interview, that's what they have, like one and.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I've said for years, but they have
Speaker 1: they have one idea, and it's what if we.
Speaker 2: What if we made this a talk shot?
Speaker 3: What if we made this? Yeah, what if we put
Speaker 3: podcast in our baseball game? And I just we need
Speaker 3: can we can we make a second idea? Guys?
Speaker 1: Something Here's something that's occurred to me. And I hesitate
Speaker 1: to say because I know neither of you are gonna
Speaker 1: like it, and I will say I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like my own idea here. It's not for me, right,
Speaker 1: But the entire trend of things that are popular are
Speaker 1: it has a parasocial bent, right, And like it seems
Speaker 1: to me I was just on effectively wild this morning.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Meg but and and I did not
Speaker 1: bring this up there, but I it seems to me
Speaker 1: that there is a huge gap between the in person
Speaker 1: experience at an All Star game or Homern Derby, even
Speaker 1: although I think the Derby translates to TV a little
Speaker 1: bit better, and the TV experience of it I've loved.
Speaker 1: I've vastly enjoyed every All Star game I've been at,
Speaker 1: even though it doesn't matter at all. Right I'm there,
Speaker 1: you can take in the pomp and and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it grabs you a little bit more because it's
Speaker 1: it's you're in it, right, Whereas at home you're not
Speaker 1: in it, and you could just be watching a cozy mystery,
Speaker 1: right Like that is that is a better use of
Speaker 1: your time at home. But if you're there, there's no
Speaker 1: other use of your time. You're there, and so you
Speaker 1: you do buy into it all a little bit more, right,
Speaker 1: because what else are you gonna do? Why not? I
Speaker 1: do kind of wonder if for a younger generation of fans,
Speaker 1: if this isn't where the what I would call like
Speaker 1: the weirdo streamer people on like TikTok and and Instagram
Speaker 1: and whatever, like it's a completely foreign world to me, right,
Speaker 1: but where everything is paris in it, that might flourish
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where you're getting And again
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be on the TV broadcast, but
Speaker 1: it would be good for maybe the sport to have
Speaker 1: some of these popular influencer streamer people there and making
Speaker 1: content out of it, because all this is is content.
Speaker 1: Right there are as we keep saying like there are
Speaker 1: no stakes. Jeff is ignoring me, and Patrick is looking
Speaker 1: at me patronizingly. I know this isn't for us, but
Speaker 1: I do think for the sport that is maybe an avamue.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, like what I assume the
Speaker 2: thing is, like we gotta get It's not even the
Speaker 2: lannails anymore because we're all forty.
Speaker 1: Isn't this what Libby done?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well she was there, she was on the red card.
Speaker 1: But was she working or she just there? Put her
Speaker 1: to work?
Speaker 2: Look all the they put all the influencers in the
Speaker 2: celebrity softball game and it didn't work, like.
Speaker 1: You do ship like, well, the game that doesn't matter
Speaker 1: is going they should be doing they they like again,
Speaker 1: I'm the World Cup has I don't know. They had
Speaker 1: some person who I know is is like a streamer
Speaker 1: who's popular, Like, okay, sure, I.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not thrilled.
Speaker 1: I know that, but here we again it's not for me.
Speaker 1: I don't want it, but like they to me, that's
Speaker 1: what they should be doing at the l don't do
Speaker 1: it at the I don't want it at the World
Speaker 1: Cup again, that has steaks. Get this guy out of
Speaker 1: my face, yea. But someone who was like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm I'm like it was someone who's getting transferred,
Speaker 1: right or whatever he's like or they oh no, they
Speaker 1: had him talking to h what's his name? Jalen Brown,
Speaker 1: who was like, well, I just got traded, so like whatever,
Speaker 1: has no idea what he's like, you got traded really,
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, man, actually you should maybe look
Speaker 1: up the guy you're about to talk to. But but again,
Speaker 1: at a game with no stakes, yeah, I'd be a
Speaker 1: lot more tolerant of it. Again, also because I don't
Speaker 1: want to see it. Don't put it on the broadcast,
Speaker 1: but let them do it to their audience.
Speaker 3: Craig wants a YouTuber in the bottom quarder of the TV.
Speaker 1: I don't want him on the screen.
Speaker 3: Reacts to the All Star Game fine.
Speaker 1: Though again I'm not it's not for me anyway.
Speaker 3: But I you know, you're just you're just trying to
Speaker 3: think of ways for me to never watch it all.
Speaker 3: Start game again. I appreciate it. No, it's saying it's
Speaker 3: not for me.
Speaker 1: You're not watching those channels anyway.
Speaker 2: Just chatting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need someone who's saying chat every fifteen seconds
Speaker 1: or so? What do we think?
Speaker 3: Chat? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you want to take a break or one more?
Speaker 1: One more break? Break on the idea of streamers at
Speaker 1: at an All Star game. We will take a break
Speaker 1: and be back with the rest.
Speaker 3: Of the show.
Speaker 2: Look, it's bad enough they let rich staff there.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to episode five hundred and sixty three of
Speaker 1: five and Dive. We're on segment three. They had us
Speaker 1: in the first half not gonna lie. We are looking
Speaker 1: at one bold second half prediction. Each who wants to
Speaker 1: go first?
Speaker 2: I'll go first. I change mine.
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that, well, I planned because of the
Speaker 1: breaking news.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. I had planned to do
Speaker 2: that and then forgot I had planned to do that
Speaker 2: and picked a different one. I'm going with Chase Burns.
Speaker 2: When again, I'll say and always there's been a lot
Speaker 2: of like Missierowski and Sanchez chat miss Zach Wheeler and
Speaker 2: like Chase Burns is just quietly having a great season.
Speaker 1: Yes, well it's quiet because the Reds because.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, the red bum Like yeah, I mean the
Speaker 2: Reds are bad now.
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 1: They were interesting for part of the year.
Speaker 2: They were interested. It's just the best you can remember
Speaker 2: that for the and it was like when the vision
Speaker 2: was yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Yet they were interesting and then they were almost as
Speaker 3: interesting as every other team in their division.
Speaker 1: Okay they were, but they were part of that discussion.
Speaker 2: So he's got a few like positive markers here for
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. He's eleven and one, which I
Speaker 2: don't think like matters as much as it used to.
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, he goes like, you know, eighteen
Speaker 2: and three, like it looks pretty right, Like it looks it.
Speaker 1: Allows to kick up some votes from the voters who
Speaker 1: still care about that. There are much fewer voters who
Speaker 1: care about it.
Speaker 2: They're still out there.
Speaker 1: They're still out there.
Speaker 2: He's got a two and a half ra playing his
Speaker 2: home games and Citizen not Citizens Bank, Great American Ballpark,
Speaker 2: and like, again, the strikeout numbers are good. I'm not
Speaker 2: as good as Mizierowski's, but they're quite good. I just
Speaker 2: think he could be like the I think it'll be
Speaker 2: kind of a like a split vote kind of race,
Speaker 2: and I think he could win just being like second
Speaker 2: on a lot of people's ballots or something like that too,
Speaker 2: that's the first place votes as well. But I think
Speaker 2: he'll be like the Like he could just be like
Speaker 2: he's just really good. Like I don't want I'm like
Speaker 2: trying to like come up with these weird like edge cases,
Speaker 2: but he's just he might be the best picture in
Speaker 2: the National League. It's not impossible that he is just
Speaker 2: the best picture in the National League. Like he's still
Speaker 2: like I you know, he's it's not like he's working
Speaker 2: super deep into games. He's averaging under six innings a start,
Speaker 2: but again that's not as uh, you know, much of
Speaker 2: his impediment. Like there's nobody here outside of Sancho's right,
Speaker 2: there's nobody here that's likely to throw a ton more
Speaker 2: innings than that. You know, Misowski is a little over six,
Speaker 2: and again, like he's the he is the guy. He's
Speaker 2: struck out one hundred and sixty seven and one hundred
Speaker 2: and eleven innings that's a one point sixty two. You
Speaker 2: are right, this is his to lose at this point,
Speaker 2: but you know he's capable of losing the Zigner any
Speaker 2: given time, or getting injured, or just having a couple
Speaker 2: of blow up starts here and there to make this
Speaker 2: a little bit closer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick, Sure, Uh So, my prediction is that we
Speaker 3: see one surprising, if not shocking, white flag trade. Uh So, Craig,
Speaker 3: you wrote an article a game on site today just
Speaker 3: about how weird the deadline is and how how how
Speaker 3: confused what buying and selling is going to mean. I
Speaker 3: do think we're gonna I do think Griffin Jackson is
Speaker 3: going to be common. But I think we have one
Speaker 3: team that is just going to look at a twenty
Speaker 3: five to thirty playoff odds.
Speaker 1: You say Griffin Jackson, and I know we brought him
Speaker 1: up before, But like the that was a pretty straight buy,
Speaker 1: was it, like the Twins were just the Twins were
Speaker 1: just selling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Rays didn't. I mean, that was buying,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't buying in the conventional We're making a
Speaker 3: move at the deadline. The Rays were out of it
Speaker 3: by that point too. They were just looking at next year.
Speaker 1: And then okay, okay, oh, okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that you're not buying in the
Speaker 3: I'm buying for this race right now. Yeah, I'm with
Speaker 3: and the Rays certainly could have also an oh, somebody
Speaker 3: wants Griffin Jacks for more than we paid for him,
Speaker 3: will happily flip him if the idea comes. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is where we're trading for value rather than going all
Speaker 3: in as I think. I think you're going to see
Speaker 3: a lot of But I do think that there's going
Speaker 3: to be at least one team that by you know,
Speaker 3: because everybody's in it, one team is going to go. No.
Speaker 3: The prices here are too good to sell. And I
Speaker 3: think the prices will be good to sell because there's
Speaker 3: not that many people that And I think the Cardinals
Speaker 3: strike me as the team that's most likely to do it,
Speaker 3: just because blooms early in his tenure. The Cardinals are
Speaker 3: a year early. They're in it, but they're not you know,
Speaker 3: the by peripherals, by by the metrics, and not as
Speaker 3: strong as maybe their their record looks by pythak. They're
Speaker 3: one game over five hundred. I could see them going now, Actually,
Speaker 3: we'll just go ahead and trade New Bar. Well, we'll trade,
Speaker 3: you know, right in May with Dustin May, I can
Speaker 3: Riley O'Brien even maybe it's thirty one and just being like, no,
Speaker 3: we we prefer to we'd prefer to just catch this
Speaker 3: in for next year instead. And I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: to see how people are going to react to that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because the Cordonels go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think the the only counter pressure to that,
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you've played out is that Saint
Speaker 1: Lewis fans don't tolerate. I mean, this was essentially what
Speaker 1: a lot of our essay was about in the Annual
Speaker 1: this year from from Jeff Jones, right like, it's been
Speaker 1: three losing seasons and they've in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: deserted in terms of showing up. They have like deserted
Speaker 1: to see their attendance had plummeted, right like, they don't.
Speaker 1: No one likes losing, sure, but we're not dealing with
Speaker 1: this is a fan base that that takes it very seriously.
Speaker 2: Right in a lot of ways them might say they're
Speaker 2: the best fans in baseball.
Speaker 1: Craik, I'm not saying that, But the the thing about
Speaker 1: that is, I just I wonder if there's any pressure
Speaker 1: the other way applied by the fact that, like they are,
Speaker 1: they're at least good now. They might not they're not great,
Speaker 1: but they're at least good now. And like if you
Speaker 1: go into if you sell into a fourth losing season,
Speaker 1: So I guess, how much image do you do? You do?
Speaker 3: It's only it's only there's only two They went eighty
Speaker 3: three and seventy nine twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They missed the playoffs for three straight years. But that's
Speaker 3: considered a losing season for them, right, But but it's
Speaker 3: making the third wild card and losing two games and exiting.
Speaker 3: Is that a winning season?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, but more so than the right
Speaker 2: And you're at least like showing you're showing trend lines
Speaker 2: there too, like you can especially with like weather, Holt
Speaker 2: and Walker and like having their breakouts and things like that, Like, look,
Speaker 2: do I think they can really repeat this next year
Speaker 2: with the pitching they have right now? No, But also
Speaker 2: they're a good chance of pitching is just better next
Speaker 2: year because I have different guys. Look, I could see
Speaker 2: them trading like Dustin May, Jojo Romero and Lars new
Speaker 2: bar and you know, taking advantage of a fairly shallow market,
Speaker 2: especially for outfield and starting pitching and like not and
Speaker 2: like still be okay, sure, and it's like they're not
Speaker 2: like I think they can call the playoffs and do that.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna they might miss it anyway though,
Speaker 2: like right, like and like if they call up like
Speaker 2: Quinn Matthews. I think Quinn Matthews can come up and
Speaker 2: pitch about as well as Dustin May right now, right.
Speaker 1: Like okay, But if you keep Dustin May and call
Speaker 1: up Quinn Matthews, then you have two of those guys.
Speaker 1: And I wire someone you have three of those guys
Speaker 1: and they don't have any real you know, their pitching
Speaker 1: is not they have easily identifiable.
Speaker 2: Right, And I will you know, I will ask a
Speaker 2: question that will only be asked on this podcast, But
Speaker 2: is Large New Bar actually better than Nelson Alaska's at
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean I at least thought you were gonna say,
Speaker 1: like Nathan Church if he's going.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he hasn't been, and Nelson Alaskas has so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Nelson Alaskis does this every year, and maybe
Speaker 1: he'll do it for the rest of the year. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, I my recom.
Speaker 2: I guess the question is, and then you might just
Speaker 2: have to trade Dustin May if you don't feel like
Speaker 2: you're going to qualify him anyway, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: you can can right, Like you're getting into that gallon ish.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like his platform here will actually be
Speaker 2: better than that gallon without that gallon, right, So like
Speaker 2: maybe you just move him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look again, I think the plan was absolutely
Speaker 1: move all these guys and arguable.
Speaker 2: Look, if you find a team that buys in on
Speaker 2: Michael McGreevy, like he struck out sixty six and one
Speaker 2: hundred and one.
Speaker 1: We're talking about May. Dustin May has a four or
Speaker 1: five e rs.
Speaker 2: I know there's not a lot of starting pitching.
Speaker 1: Is much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could use the violins, could use Dustin May, and
Speaker 2: we'll move him from the ugly Red Cardinals or whatever
Speaker 2: the Barlan's turns out when yeah, well, yeah, great, We're
Speaker 2: just gonna run all of Craig's aesthetic nightmares for Dustin
Speaker 2: May beat around them.
Speaker 1: I'm not even again, I get Yeah, I think there
Speaker 1: are a number of teams that are currently in contention
Speaker 1: that have the opportunity to do this right, Like, the
Speaker 1: Cardinals aren't even in the playoffs right now, they're a
Speaker 1: game out. The Nationals are four games out. I think
Speaker 1: the Nationals will they don't know con but yeah they
Speaker 1: can move in whatever they can. Yeah, right, But even
Speaker 1: even those teams, I think it's going to be somewhat
Speaker 1: mitigated to what it could be. Twins, these teams that
Speaker 1: have had no hope the last few years are now
Speaker 1: in a very awkward position. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are analytical and care about the long term
Speaker 1: and keep their eyes on the horizon more than right
Speaker 1: in front of them.
Speaker 2: They're literally tied for a wildcard spot, holy fun, and and.
Speaker 1: Are bloodless about this, right, But I do think and
Speaker 1: I think that can still be the case in the
Speaker 1: overall trajectory. But I do wonder if it doesn't bit
Speaker 1: of like we're not selling everything that's not Neil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's time for some game theory. How long
Speaker 2: you run into like if you're the Twins specifically, right,
Speaker 2: it's like even if you think you're.
Speaker 1: The owner, keeps coming out and saying we're we're fucking
Speaker 1: in it, and they are.
Speaker 2: As it turns, But like even if you think you
Speaker 2: want to buy, are you going to buy more than
Speaker 2: the Red Sox?
Speaker 3: Well, and also with the Twins, even if you sell
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, you could at least go Yeah, we think
Speaker 3: next we want to we want to up our chances
Speaker 3: for next year. Twins are like, this is it and
Speaker 3: we better take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Like dust m a and Jojo Romero probably aren't here
Speaker 2: next year anyway, so it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and also then again you get to like the
Speaker 1: Orioles and the Blue Jays and like, you know, Michael
Speaker 1: Ia says we're gonna buy, but like does he know
Speaker 1: how we're gonna and how committed is there's no evidence yet,
Speaker 1: citation needed.
Speaker 3: Don't threaten us with a bad time, but like.
Speaker 1: Also, you know, citation needed on we're going to buy?
Speaker 1: But all so, how committed are you to that? You know, again,
Speaker 1: they've now won they won three in a row, they
Speaker 1: lost three in a row and then won four in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we can transition to your bold prediction
Speaker 2: now since we're talking about Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. My my bold prediction is the Al
Speaker 1: East gets four playoff teams. I don't even know how
Speaker 1: bold that is. The Red Sox have one nine in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're one game out, Sam, They're one game out.
Speaker 1: The Orioles are two games out, and the Blue Jays
Speaker 1: are two and a half. It's just that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams here, right, But what this so
Speaker 1: the Yankees are They're all like the you feel like
Speaker 1: I feel fine. The Yankees are making sure, the Rays
Speaker 1: are making it. The Rays are being well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: probably crank company.
Speaker 2: Okay, Craig, Okay, okay, okay, Craig, I had to like
Speaker 2: you tell me like that.
Speaker 1: I do want to point that was a bit I
Speaker 1: had to.
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about the Blue and Oos. I
Speaker 2: think the Red Sox might actually be pretty not pretty
Speaker 2: good now, but good enough to get to like eighty
Speaker 2: six wins, which will probably be enough.
Speaker 1: Like your kid, socks are are a game and a
Speaker 1: half better than the Orioles right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could tell me they're a better team. I
Speaker 2: think I think they're a better team right now. You
Speaker 2: could tell me that the or Like, I could be
Speaker 2: easily convinced the Oriols and Jays are better than the
Speaker 2: Rangers and the Twins. And that's also all close enough
Speaker 2: now that you know, over seventy games, like that might
Speaker 2: be enough, Like you could talk to me. I just
Speaker 2: they are still going to play. These teams are still
Speaker 2: gonna play each other a fair bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the hard part. Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: honestly what makes it bold? Yeah, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: the Guardians, Twins, Mariners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like the other thing is the any
Speaker 2: of these aos teams are the Twins can just like
Speaker 2: lose four out of six to the Angels and Royals,
Speaker 2: like it's things that can happen. Yeah, I don't Yeah,
Speaker 2: got the It's one thing I'm not looking I'm not
Speaker 2: looking forward just at the race over the next two
Speaker 2: and a half months.
Speaker 1: But a lot of this to me is the posture
Speaker 1: of this, right is that like to your point, like
Speaker 1: maybe the Red so can you buy more than the Red.
Speaker 2: Sox, right, And there's like there's there's more pressure on
Speaker 2: the right are gonna buy? Right, there's more pressures and
Speaker 2: orioles to make the playoffs, And there is the Rangers
Speaker 2: probably even the Mariners frankly, and the Twins so exactly.
Speaker 1: And and so I think again it's also buying looks like.
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible one or both of the White Sox
Speaker 2: and Guardians come back to the pack here too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, I don't. I mean you think I
Speaker 1: I think the Rays are frauds, like, yeah, don't get
Speaker 1: me started on the Guardians who proved me wrong every year.
Speaker 1: But I still think it.
Speaker 2: I mean, they could win the division stebe frauds.
Speaker 1: They did last year. So yeah, that's that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Explanation.
Speaker 1: Let's go to our fourth segment. We'll go around the horn.
Speaker 1: We had a trade Patrick, I mentioned you wrote up
Speaker 1: the transaction analysis and it was at least partially halfway
Speaker 1: about your deck, but it was a it was a
Speaker 1: good metaphor.
Speaker 3: The metaphor Lancepa Colors and and uh, you know, think
Speaker 3: of half his remaining salary are going to Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: The right arm of theseus riginal parts left at it.
Speaker 3: Uh, it is made out of actual wood putty. At
Speaker 3: this point, Uh, he is joining Colton Gordon in traveling
Speaker 3: over at Colton Gordon. The actual trade receipt for this trade,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 2: A Berry Brewers acquisition.
Speaker 1: I said that on On effectively Wild earlier this morning.
Speaker 1: And I also called him Tanner Gordon and I I'm
Speaker 1: gonna posit what I said there. I apologize for anyone
Speaker 1: who listens to both, but Tanner and Colton are the
Speaker 1: same name to me there, They're very different phonetically, but
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so mccullor's like basically has been rehabbing from
Speaker 3: his you know, like rotator cuff because God knows, you know.
Speaker 3: Like mccullor's like, I'm shocked that he just doesn't have
Speaker 3: t s as well. And these just all three, like
Speaker 3: they have the first picture to have all three major
Speaker 3: arm injuries at the same time. He is rehabbing. He's
Speaker 3: been okay in triple A. He should be ready soon.
Speaker 3: The Brewers don't have enough pictures right now. I believe
Speaker 3: they are starting Robert Gasser in the fifth spot. It's
Speaker 3: it's like they're they're kind of out of backups, so
Speaker 3: they needed some more depth. I don't know if mccullor's
Speaker 3: is going to help them. I don't think they know
Speaker 3: if mcaullor's is going to help them, but he's essentially
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, oh, they signed Bryce Wilson, that's right.
Speaker 3: They resigned Bryce Wilson. Uh, Like, what if what if
Speaker 3: there's a Carlos Carasco that some other teams also got
Speaker 3: to use sometimes and so you occasionally just don't get
Speaker 3: to have him when you need to call him. Like
Speaker 3: imagine if the Braves had to like take wait in line.
Speaker 2: I think some of this they are just the astros
Speaker 2: want to clear this money so they can make a
Speaker 2: by trade because I.
Speaker 3: Guess they're close to the salary cap.
Speaker 2: It's not a cap, but they but it's not a cap,
Speaker 2: and like maybe they get something out of my college.
Speaker 2: They're basically buying a prospect. Hereinge go with MCC's remaining salary,
Speaker 2: which is not a ton.
Speaker 3: And and Gordon has like I thought he was just
Speaker 3: bad because every time I see him he's bad. In
Speaker 3: Triple A, he's actually been.
Speaker 1: He's he's it's weird.
Speaker 2: I think he's probably a reliever, but they can probably
Speaker 2: turn him into it, like a decent one out of
Speaker 2: this which for seven million or whatever it is is.
Speaker 3: It is weird that he as homer prone as he
Speaker 3: is given his profile, and if he is not homer prone,
Speaker 3: then he's a perfectly fine He's not to any guy, right,
Speaker 3: He's the old Chad Patrick before Chad Good, which chant
Speaker 3: Patrick turned into a good reliever. So maybe that's the same.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're going to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, it's an interesting trade.
Speaker 1: I had someone say, we're going to get an article
Speaker 1: within a month on Gordon throwing his fastball less and
Speaker 1: having a lot more success elsewhere in the Central The
Speaker 1: subject of Jeffrey's bold prediction is going to stay in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati for a while seven years.
Speaker 2: I was told that small market teams can't afford to
Speaker 2: retain their best players.
Speaker 1: Craig, yeahs as it turned the week. And yet every
Speaker 1: year we see somewhere between seven and nine years and
Speaker 1: one hundred and five and one million dollars guys staying
Speaker 1: with their teams. Now they are usually were with those
Speaker 1: teams or at least under team control for many of
Speaker 1: those years. But nevertheless, Chase Burns, Yeah, we'll stay in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati seven years, one hundred five million dollars.
Speaker 2: This may look I'm not going to begrudge any picture
Speaker 2: taking one hundred million dollars legon just of what happens.
Speaker 2: Was Fencer Strider right, like, you're always one arm injury away,
Speaker 2: and look if he doesn't get said arm injury, like
Speaker 2: he's still hitting free agency before his age thirty one season, Like,
Speaker 2: he won't be a super old free.
Speaker 1: Agent, right and given that there will be no free
Speaker 1: agents because they're all signed to extensions. So I'll either
Speaker 1: sign an extension early or be one of you know,
Speaker 1: he'll be Uh, I don't know. Dylan Cees, sure right,
Speaker 1: Dylan Sees did very well.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere Tommy Troy, yep, goes on the IL.
Speaker 2: This is how I learned that Brian Walschmidt was back,
Speaker 2: so I have to take him off the mid season
Speaker 2: fifty there's always one.
Speaker 1: Yes, they called him back up right before yeah, right
Speaker 1: before the break during the Dodgers series.
Speaker 3: It's a good chance for you to learn how Max
Speaker 3: Kepler is doing. Max Kepler's not doing great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking, weird mm hmm h Tommy Tanks, Tommy White right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: called up to the athletics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon. He's just replacing Kurts, I assume functionally,
Speaker 2: I mean, not actually replacing him, but taking his position if.
Speaker 1: Not production Yeah, uh yeah, I don't. I don't have anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I know he's not he's famous, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I mean really since his freshman year at NT State,
Speaker 2: Like he hasn't actually lived up to the thirty home
Speaker 2: runs or whatever he had. But like hen like, it's
Speaker 2: not impossible. He can be some power the average hit
Speaker 2: or he has some power. He doesn't really, he's not
Speaker 2: really optimized. He swings too much. It's not a bad park,
Speaker 2: home park for him.
Speaker 1: I am yeah, Patrick, let's get into it.
Speaker 3: M all right. So, uh, the the Sacramento Athletics designated
Speaker 3: for silent one Aaron Okay, Civilly, the.
Speaker 1: Discord is going to be thrilled. So here's the here's
Speaker 1: the thing though, here's the thing, Patrick, what did you
Speaker 1: find on Wikipedia?
Speaker 3: Last time I found the Wikipedia? Does it as civil?
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, which is what we have different pronunciations
Speaker 3: on different like what.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've said at times, which is like Seveille
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is definitely not right. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: is b ref, says Civilly. Yes, Wikipedia, says Savally. And
Speaker 1: I will never go back and watch a start to
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought about it this morning and now, so
Speaker 3: what to watch is his next start? Wherever it is,
Speaker 3: where he.
Speaker 1: Lands, maybe it's in triple, it doesn't matter someone.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely gonna be Miami though, right I thought Colorado?
Speaker 2: Oh no, come on Ye, Colorado.
Speaker 3: He has a twenty five percent ground ball rate. This like,
Speaker 3: you cannot put this man in Colorado.
Speaker 1: They're gonna let tell me Yoki Sigano teach him some things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would like give him at least give him
Speaker 3: the cal Quantrell like stick in the middle, relief in
Speaker 3: the shed so that he can just give up his
Speaker 3: fly balls and peace.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Texas seems viable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does actually seem viable. But Miami needs somebody.
Speaker 1: And like maybe Houston needs a new Lance mc colors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are three games out of a playoff spot, you guys,
Speaker 1: I know sure.
Speaker 2: My original pick was Houston Wednesday n Ols. That would
Speaker 2: be amazing if they wanted to Aos. Yeah, uh, like
Speaker 2: I do think they're gonna buy. Like, it's not like
Speaker 2: so they they cleared the Lance mcclor's money. It's not
Speaker 2: like they were gonna get anything out of lancem colors
Speaker 2: that gives them money to spend on somewhere that might
Speaker 2: the other right, And this.
Speaker 1: Is what I mean again by by a weird deadline
Speaker 1: like Milwaukee is taking is clearing money for Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to get.
Speaker 1: A Gordon Yeah Colton, can we get.
Speaker 2: This one's Colton, Yes, this one's Can we get Dustin
Speaker 2: May in the eighties Astro Jerseys? Honestly, that might might
Speaker 2: be a better Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Might be as if you get them in the Tequila
Speaker 1: Sunrise ones something like that. In other news, Rock Chiluski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I may quote, the commiteion sets a bonus record,
Speaker 1: what is over ten? Yeah, the slot was over eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll just we'll just do this again next
Speaker 2: year probably.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he is not like who I would.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna do it again next year. Like it's
Speaker 2: because the slot they're trying, they're trying to like cut
Speaker 2: the draft in slots and CBA. I don't think they'll
Speaker 2: get there, so that whatever, like the first overall slot
Speaker 2: will be like twelve point two next year and someone
Speaker 2: will cut to ten point nine and get picked, and
Speaker 2: you know, we'll keep going right, almost like these guys
Speaker 2: are worth more than they are.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Steve Cohen has a famous quote yeah
Speaker 1: that in other news that might cut against MLB owner
Speaker 1: positioning in their in their labor negotiations. The Yankees are
Speaker 1: getting reportedly getting an investment of three billion dollars from Apollo.
Speaker 1: What is Apollo.
Speaker 2: Global whatever, it's a hedge fund.
Speaker 1: I had seen for fifteen percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's some kind of debt equity combination.
Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly, but do we know what
Speaker 1: the valuation because if it's just fifteen percent or whatever,
Speaker 1: that which is not, which isn't, But I imagine the number,
Speaker 1: the valuation number is going to be very high. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this amitst the owner saying like, our franchise valuations
Speaker 1: aren't high enough. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see
Speaker 1: if that gets conveniently ignored or omitted.
Speaker 2: The Yankees don't count, right, Yeah, the Yankees are different.
Speaker 1: It's it's not like the padre is just so right
Speaker 1: voting on that. By the way, it's supposed to happen
Speaker 1: sometime in the second half, which takes us to a game.
Speaker 3: All right, our game is before and after. I worked
Speaker 3: hard on this. I will say I'm going to preface
Speaker 3: this by saying, last night, when I made this game,
Speaker 3: is perhaps the most tired I have been, because physically, mentally, spiritually,
Speaker 3: in a long time. Uh So, we'll see how you do.
Speaker 3: All right, you're ready? All right? A huge free agent
Speaker 3: bust closer for the Blue Jays who made the All
Speaker 3: Star Game in his first year with them, and it
Speaker 3: is seemingly the only rookie position player to struggle in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bj Ryan Walschmidt, that's correct. Oh okay, I guess
Speaker 2: he was bad before he got sent.
Speaker 3: Ye he was, but eighty ops plus.
Speaker 2: Struggle struggle relative to every other rookie.
Speaker 3: Ye all right. A Hall of famer who want shited
Speaker 3: his pants in the Bolangio and a New York met
Speaker 3: who might get non tender this winter.
Speaker 2: George Brett Batty baby correct.
Speaker 3: Good, good, one all right. Number three, an oft injured
Speaker 3: pitcher nicknamed Big Sweat and a slugger who made the
Speaker 3: All Star team this decade at the age of forty.
Speaker 1: Jeff Nelson Cruise clothes, Big Sweat, Jimmy Nelson Cruise.
Speaker 3: There you go. One point for Craig Jimmy Elton Nelson,
Speaker 3: Big Sweat didn't know and no man if.
Speaker 2: I was going to go Ryan Nelson Cruise, that's flop Sweat.
Speaker 3: Right. Next one, a seventeen year fourth outfielder who was
Speaker 3: named after his dad's Hall of Fame Cardinals teammate, and
Speaker 3: the man who banished Will Craig to a different continent
Speaker 3: by evading a tag play.
Speaker 1: Stan Javier Bias. I only knew that because I know
Speaker 1: the name Stan Javier and I knew Javier Bias.
Speaker 3: All right, number five, we are tied up. It was
Speaker 3: an Island East total so Uh, a one time Tigers
Speaker 3: center field prospect who sold fifty six bases and three
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty one career games and the only Giants
Speaker 3: pitcher to make the All Star Team.
Speaker 2: Giants pitcher made the All Started.
Speaker 3: You really need to know the second part because I
Speaker 3: imagine you're not going to get the first part.
Speaker 2: I should, I mean I should probably know the first part.
Speaker 1: Well, but I don't. Oh nuke logan web correct. I
Speaker 1: all the pronunciation people, I apologize. I just was it
Speaker 1: was overwhelmed in the moment. It's nook. I know it's not.
Speaker 1: I apologize, all right.
Speaker 3: Next one, the third basement of the most common surname
Speaker 3: among Hall of famers and his second basement. It probably
Speaker 3: would have made it himself he hadn't been done.
Speaker 2: Brooks Robinson canal correct.
Speaker 3: Nice, good job, all right? Start at three with three left.
Speaker 3: Next one, a longtime dh who got his nickname from
Speaker 3: the bull his mom used to cut his hair, and
Speaker 3: the ace of the twenty twenty six Chicago White Sox staff.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I know the second one.
Speaker 3: Yep, longtime DH who got his nickname from the bowl
Speaker 3: his mom to use to cut his hair.
Speaker 2: I Chris Davis Martin.
Speaker 1: Bos Oh, that's I mean, that was a great I had.
Speaker 2: Two shots at it. Two because there's two Chris Davis's.
Speaker 3: That's okay, and I would have accepted either one.
Speaker 1: Yep, I don't, I don't. The nickname thing doesn't help
Speaker 1: me at all. I don't know, all right, give up,
Speaker 1: I guess so it was. I don't know. Is Ken
Speaker 1: Davis someone Ken Davis Martin? It's Chili Davis, oh, son
Speaker 1: of them? Yeah, and shame on me, all right.
Speaker 3: This one's a bit of a stretch. A second overall
Speaker 3: pick who won eight goal gloves and helped bring a
Speaker 3: championship to Kansas City and an eighth overall pick who
Speaker 3: drift around the league for a decade, hitting two thirty.
Speaker 2: Seven Alex Gordon Beckham.
Speaker 1: Correct, Oh see, I got Alex Gordon and I what's
Speaker 1: weird is like you said a high pick and my
Speaker 1: mind went to Gordon Beckham and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the rest of this doesn't apply. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh Alex Gordon.
Speaker 3: Wonder who all right? And last one? So Craig needs
Speaker 3: this to tie. Yeah, a picture who lost sixty three
Speaker 3: games between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty four and
Speaker 3: a two hundred million dollar pitcher who's won sixty three
Speaker 3: games in his entire career.
Speaker 2: Thinking about this, this is a good like this one,
Speaker 2: it's a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two hundred million dollar pictures won sixty three?
Speaker 3: Hey do you I?
Speaker 2: I think I know the second one, but now I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do the picture.
Speaker 3: And like, if you get the second one, then you
Speaker 3: should know the first one.
Speaker 1: Can I ask? Is the second one active?
Speaker 3: What do you? How do you define active? He's on
Speaker 3: the IL.
Speaker 1: Okay? Well, I meant like.
Speaker 2: Playing like, yeah he is, he is Patrick Corbyn Burns correct.
Speaker 2: I was getting stuck on Dylan, so I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: gone on the first.
Speaker 3: One because he has sixty three wins. Then yeah, I
Speaker 3: got I was very pleased when that came up to
Speaker 3: seventy one wins.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's in the range. Yeah. I was also
Speaker 2: locked down on Rockies Pictures.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: I'm like but none of these Rockies pictures have like
Speaker 2: first name, like.
Speaker 1: Last thinking Kyle for some reason, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What I was doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick Burns, well done, Patrick, you loved it. I
Speaker 1: know you put in the work, but you were smiling.
Speaker 3: Throughout enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good thing. Congratulations on your win, Jeffrey,
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