Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanana Show.
It's been a while since I had Charlott mane on.
How are you doing, Charles, I'm.
Speaker 2: Very good, lovely to be back. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, man, thanks very much. It's cool. That's cool.
The smallest of white pills are great at this time,
so we take them where we can get them.
Speaker 2: No, it's good. Like you said, once you get you know,
up there, the birthdays stop being the same. But it's
always nice to have a pleasant birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, all right. Well, a listener shared
this article with me. It's from nineteen eighty seven. I'm
going to share it in a second so that we
can read through it, we can comment on it. And
you've seen me do this before, you know that you
can just stop me at any time. The article is
called the Overhauling of Straight America. It is from It
was published in a Let me read this. Okay, this
is from Hawaii Free Press. They republished the article, but
I think they have a really good little introduction here.
Let me share it. When heck, let's just start, let's
just keep going. So the Overhauling of Straight America. This
introduction that they done here, says the following article, title
The Overhauling of Straight America, was written by Marshall K.
Kirk and Erastus Pill and appeared in Guide magazine Homosexual
Publication in November nineteen eighty seven. This landmark article has
become a bible of the homosexual movement and has since
been widely republished on the Internet and elsewhere. I will
say that this was actually expanded and turned into a
book called After the Ball that was released in nineteen
eighty nine, a much more extensive guide for what they're
going to lay out here. So the landmark article has
become a bible of the homosexual movement has since been
wily republished on the Internet and elsewhere. It outlines strategies
and techniques for a successful widespread propaganda campaign to confuse
and deceive the American people and demonize opponents. Like all propaganda,
their methods are based not on solid intellectual arguments, but
instead upon emotional manipulation of the public in an attempt
to gain widespread sympathy and approval for homosexual behavior. As
you read this, keep in mind that it was written
in nineteen eighty seven, and look around to see how
far the homosexual movement has gotten using these techniques. The editor,
the person who's editing this has a note here, says
co author, who is using a pseudonym Orestus. Pill is
the pseudonym for Hunter and Madison and Greek Erastus refers
to an adult male pursuer of young boys. It is
the root word of pederasty. Kill is self explanatory. In
spite of the advanced information strategies delineated by these authors,
they are laughing at you. From the byline. We are
reprinting the first half of the article and linking to
the entire article so that Hawhitu residents may understand how
society has been manipulated to invent gay marriage and why
this is not the end.
Speaker 2: Well, this is fascinating. It seems almost like this is
one of those secret blogs that we pass around, like
this is the flip side of the Ted Kaczynski post
or something like that, where because I've never heard of this.
So it seems like if you're pretty invested in the
homosexual movement to even know that this article exists.
Speaker 1: It being made into a book that apparently was a
big seller. I can look that up in a little bit,
but so you know, it's one of those things. It's
like with the book The Authoritarian Personality. The Authoritarian Personality
lays out a strategy and it gives opinions on what
kind of qualities somebody would possess that would make them
a fascist. And when you look at the questions and
the opinions that they ask people to say, how did
they feel about this? All of the opinions in that
book are basically demonized. Now strong central family, mother and
father go to church, a strong belief that people who
hurt children and are sexual with children should be punished
beyond what the law allows. When you look at a
book like The Authoritarian Personality, you see, well, maybe it
was somebody's opinion, but it seems like they went to
work using that book to demonize mostly just white people,
white Anglo Saxon's, white Anglo Saxon Protestants, and in general.
And when we I've read through this, When you read
through this, it's you look and you're like, oh, well,
pretty much all of this has been done. So I
just look at this as how do they do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like an instruction manual. Like I said,
from looking at it, it sounds similar to what ted
Kay wrote, because I just reviewed all of that and
it seems like it's literally their version of that for
going in the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, all right, so I'll start reading stop me anytime.
When I read with AA, he was stopping me mid sentence.
Speaker 2: So if you want to, well, I can tell I
already want to stop you before we get the step one.
But let's let's look at this part.
Speaker 1: Sure, all right? The overhauling is straight America Marshall, Kate
Kirkan arrests Erastus Pill. The first order of business is
desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.
To desensitize the postblic is to help it view homosexuality
with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would
have straights registered differences in sexual preference the way they
register different tastes for ice cream or sports games. She
likes strawberry and I like vanilla. He follows baseball and
I follow football. No big deal, at least in the beginning.
We are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do
not need and cannot expect, a full appreciation or understanding
of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about
trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing.
But if only you can get them to think that
it is just another thing with a shrug of their shoulders,
then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually one.
And to get to shoulder shrug stage, gaze as a
class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome, and contrary,
a large scale media campaign will be required in order
to change the image of gaze in America.
Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, this part here is very interesting
because this has clearly happened to me, and I think
it happens to most millennials who work in a corporate environment,
because if you're not desensitized to gaze, I mean, you're
basically screwed. If you have like a visceral reaction to homosexuals,
you're just not going to make it. One thing I've
noticed is I sort of have a inbuilt negative reaction
to zoomers, like zoomers seem to be very at least
right wing zoomers seem to be not desensitized to gaze
and react very strongly against them, which I actually find
weird and kind of off putting, even though I shouldn't
do that. So despite being involved in this for so long,
I'm still having to consciously kind of depropagandize myself because
is what they just outlined in this first paragraph has
absolutely been done and worked and is deeply ingrained in
every single millennial I think.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you have ever, if you've worked
for a corporation in the last fifteen twenty years, you've
had to sit watch the video and sign that if
you violate anything in this video, and you don't, you know,
one hundred present basically agree with that video. If that
comes out, you're fired, no, no questions asked. And it's
even if you do have a natural inclination towards EUGH,
you're forced into it, and forcing people to walk a
certain way causes the decil will can lead to the
desensitization that he's talking about here in the introduction. So
all right, and any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should
do six things. So step one talk about gays and
gayness as loudly as and as often as possible.
Speaker 2: Is that are the other steps in all caps? Or
is that just a bit of irony there.
Speaker 1: The principle behind this advice is simple. Almost any behavior
begins to look normal if you're exposed to enough of
it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability
of this of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on
the number of one's fellows doing it or accepting it.
One may be offended by its novelty at first. Many
in times past were momentarily scandalized by streaking, eating goldfish,
and premarital sex. Oh, we can see how old this is.
But as long as Joe sixpack feels little pressure to
perform likewise, and as long as the behavior in question
presents little threat to his physical and financial security, he
soon gets used to it and life goes on. The
skeptic may still shake his head and think people are
crazy these days, but over time his objections are likely
to become more reflective, more philosophical, and less emotional.
Speaker 2: So that last sentence is interesting because I noticed this
happened on the right wing, where they try to push
the issue over and over and over until it gets
to the point where you're like debating what a woman
is or something like with Matt Walsh, And that's basically
how they win because they just trap you in this
dialectic where now instead of having your initial gut reaction,
your second guessing yourself, and you're trying to endlessly explain
things with these really detailed definitions that can never quite
capture exactly what you need to take down their arguments,
and then you just kind of lose by default, when
really it's that initial emotional reaction that is the thing
that can actually stop them, and that's always what they
prevent by getting you stuck in this philosophy nonsense when
dealing with this stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, if your initial reaction is you know, fuck off,
I don't care, I'm not listening to you, that's a
different story. They back down. If you start arguing with
them and start using their language and you start playing
on their field, They've won because they make the rules.
And that's what we see, you know, Boomer Kahn, Boomer Truth, Regimers,
and kan inc engaged in to the point where you
have to question whether they're like they're conscious controlled opposition
because they're so they're so invested in arguing on that
playing field. All right, The way to be numb raw
sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people
talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral
or supportive way. Open and frank talk makes the subjects
seem less furtive, alien and sinful. More above board, constant
talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least
divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts
or even practices homosexuality. Even rancorous debates between opponents and
defenders serve the purpose of desensitization. So long as respectable
gaze our front and center to make their own pitch,
The main thing is to talk about gainness until the
issue becomes thoroughly tiresome. You're basically going to beat you
over the head with it until you submit, and most
people do because you know, especially on the quote unquote
right in this country, most people just want to grow
and be left alone. I want to live their life
and peace. But these people, they're going to take it further.
And yeah, yeah, got this.
Speaker 2: A bit about respectable gaze is interesting too, because like
these sort of hiring quotas, whether they exist officially or
just in a sort of informal HR capacity, it basically
forces gays into a position of being homosexual. Right So
before if you're just like, maybe when this was written,
Gaze were sort of looked down upon, but now they
all have these jobs. I mean, they're in the White House,
for God's sake, so they're sort of forced to be
viewed as respectable by everyone because they're given respectable jobs
by the people in charge of these institutions.
Speaker 1: Well as the old guy here, let me say, this
is right in the middle of the AIDS crisis.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, think about that. Yeah. And I know that
somebody is going to share an article saying that AIDS
the AIDS virus doesn't exist, YadA, YadA. I've read all
that stuff too. I'm just going with what history is
telling us here. You don't have to share your articles.
I've read them. Thank you. Move on. And when we
say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that in the
early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the
masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure
to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of imagery of
sex should be downplayed, and gay rights should be reduced
to an abstract social question as much as possible. First,
let the camel get his nose inside the tent. Only
later his unsightly dairy air.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's just so ridiculously honest that that last bit there.
Uh but yeah, that's what the stuff is reduced to. Now,
we're just arguing about what the Constitution says about gay rights,
and we're not arguing anything to do about the fact
that the stuff is disgusting.
Speaker 1: Or that we have They're more worried about the fact
that there are trands that trans people. A trans person
is showing their breasts at the White House. Yes, they're
more worried about that than the fact that a trans
person is showing their breasts at the White House. Yeah.
They're worried about like the how it looks versus the
fact that, you know, the enemy is within the gate.
The enemy controls it now, so where we talk is important.
The visual media, film and television are plainly the most
powerful image makers in Western civilization. The average American household
watches over seven hours of TV daily. Do you think
that's gone down at all?
Speaker 2: Surely it has. I mean, maybe it's been replaced by phones,
and it might even be more prevalent now with the phones.
I mean, I've seen a lot of people who would
fall into that category become addicted to like doom scrolling
like much older people. Yeah, but I don't know, that's
actually a good question. I've never really thought about that.
I mean, even I remember watching way too much TV
when I was younger, even because you know, the Saturday
morning cartoons would be on it whatever, and you just
watch for like three hours straight. But that doesn't happen anymore,
does it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I just look at the fact that, like,
I mean, I haven't had cable or anything really besides
like Amazon fire Stick and some some programs, some APKs
that I put on there for eight years now, So
I mean, I don't when people tell me, like, well,
this commercial is on network television and it just shows
it's openly homosexual and everything, I'm like, wow. I mean,
I just I haven't watched it in forever. So okay,
those hours open up a gateway into the private world
of straits through which a trojan horse might be passed.
As far as desensitization is concerned, the medium is the
message of normalcy. So far, Gay hollyo. It has provided
our best covert weapon in the battle to desensitize the
mainstream bit by bit. Over the past ten years, Gay
characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs
and films. Though often this has been done to achieve
comedic and ridiculous effects, on the whole, the impact has
been encouraging. The primetime presentation of consensing adults on a
major network in nineteen eighty five is but one high
water mark in favorable media exposure of gay issues. But
this should be just the beginning of a major publicity
blitz by gay America.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just amazing because you'll still see
people talk about this like it's some sort of conspiracy theory.
And here they are just saying that Hollywood is doing
our work for us. They're normalizing it, They're putting more
and more gaye in. The point is to desensitize you,
to gaze. I mean, it's just all right here.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's like that with all this stuff. You know, everything
the the right talks about and claims of the left
are doing, it's not like it's requires some sort of
conspiracy thinking. It's just all written down like this. You
just have to know where to find it.
Speaker 1: You're talking about an industry that is artistic, creative. I mean,
I was in the music industry. For for years, half
of the people I knew who worked in the music
industry were openly gay. They're going to push an agenda,
and they're going to push their agenda. Do you think
people in Hollywood, writers, showrunners, they're not going to do
the same exact thing. Even if it's not this concerted,
you know, gigantic conspiracy, It doesn't have to be. There's
enough of them pushing it that it looks like a conspiracy,
and then you know it just it actually becomes one,
It becomes something bigger than what they actually intended it
to be. Would a desensitizing campaign of open and sustain
talk about gay issues reach every rabid opponent of homosexuality,
of course not. While public opinion is one primary source
of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative
churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can
do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we
can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means
publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological
theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings,
and exposing hatred and inconsistency.
Speaker 2: Second, well, look what's happening with turnip Seed right now? Yeah,
basically the culmination of that because his Lutheran church, from
what I understand, is one of the only ones that's
not completely run through by all this stuff yet and
now they're finally getting there. And that was like the
whole point of his church, right is it resisted what
they're describing here, except actually now it isn't.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's exactly what it is. And like exposing
hatred and inconsistency. That inconsistency one is very important because
right wingers, people on the right who consider themselves to
be on the right, the most important thing for them
is to be consistent, and that is used as a
it's to this day, you see it used as a
weapon against them over and over again. Right. Second, we
can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying
them as antiquated backwaters badly out of step with the
times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the
mighty pull of institutional religion. One must set the mightier
draw of science and public opinion the shield and sword
of that accursed secular humanism such an unhe all the
Alliance has worked well against churches before on such topics
as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the
prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work here
at work again here, Yeah, yeah, I mean we've seen it, Yeah,
we've seen it in the last fifteen years. Where you know,
in two thousand and eight, evangelicals are just no gay marriage,
no gay marriage, no gay marriage, slippery slopes, riple your slope.
And now it's how many churches are actually even talking
about gay marriage because they pushed it so far beyond
gay marriage. Now they're not even thinking about where this
where this started. And really what it started with is this.
It started with just the making it normal, making just
these are just other people. They just you know, they
like a different flavor of ice cream than I do.
So Step two in his plan is to portray gays
as victims, not as aggressive challengers. I think this just
this title implies that they are aggressive challengers, that that
is their goal in any campaign to win over the public.
Gays must be cast as victims in need of protection,
so that straits will be inclined by reflex to assume
the role of protector. If gays are presented instead as
a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and
deviant lifestyle. They are more likely to be seen as
a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason,
we must forego the temptation to strut our gay pride
public luckily, when it conflicts with the gay victim message,
and we must walk the fine line between impressing straits
with our great numbers on the one hand and sparking
their hostile paranoia they're all around us on the other.
Speaker 2: Well, they've obviously stepped over that line at this point.
So that's interesting because they that either indicates that they
they've basically gotten to the point where they think they've won,
or they have one or they just have lost control.
But they're no longer doing that balance. They very clearly
are just everywhere and exposing their power, you know, the
whole flashing at the White House thing. So yeah, they've
they've kind of gone at a balance here, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, their war flag has been raised. Yeah, So
a media campaigns to promote the gay victim image should
make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream set sense
of threat. Which lowers its guard and which enhanced the
plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty,
mustachioed musclemen would keep very low profile in gay commercials
and other public presentations, while sympathetic figures of nice young people,
old people, and attractive women will would be featured in parentheses.
It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest
margin of acceptability, such as NAMBLA the North American Man
Boy Love Association, must play no part at all in
such a campaign. Suspected child molesters will never look like victims.
Speaker 2: All right, not exactly a disavowal, is it.
Speaker 1: Well? When I read this that they had to include it, yeah,
but they that they felt compelled to include it.
Speaker 2: That yeah, you're right, that's an interesting point that they
think that NAMBLA is a part of their thing. Otherwise
why would you include it.
Speaker 1: It's when I read that I was I was absolutely
floored that that was that that was included, that they
felt like, you know, it's almost like this was an
internal memo because they put it out on a gay web.
They put it on a gay in a gay publication,
which I'm assuming you know the mainstream doesn't wouldn't read
in nineteen eighty seven. But now we get to look back,
and you know, when you read something like that, you
you must That raises a lot of questions. All right now,
there are two different messages about the gay victim that
are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that
gays are victims of fate in the sense that most
never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference.
The message must read quote, as far as gays can tell,
they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual,
or white or black, or bright or athletic. Nobody ever
tricked or seduced them. They never made a choice and
are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary.
It's only natural for them. The twist of fate could
as easily have happened to you.
Speaker 2: This is really interesting because although they do go around
manufacturing transsexuals now, the narrative is still always that they
were born transsexual and you need to give them the
hormones or whatever because they're being oppressed by biology or something.
So even though they very clearly are manufacturing transsexuals, the
messaging is still that they're victims of fate basically like
getting in the way of fate or something like that.
It's a weird metaphysical view for atheists to take.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, and it's just so, he says, the message
must read it's I mean, they're basically when I read that,
when I read what's in the quotes there, it's them,
or that whole paragraph, it's them saying, no, we've made
a choice. Now, this was a choice on our part,
and the fact that it is they they're saying that
it's a choice right after they mentioned Nambola.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, because they don't really believe that it's fate
in the way it's describing them. They're just saying it's
the message that that's what we're going to claim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right onward. Straight viewers must be able to
identify with gays as victims. Mister and missus. Public must
be given no extra excuses to say they are not
like us. To this end, the persons featured in the
public campaign should be decent and upright, appealing and admirable
by straight standards, completely unexceptionable in appearance. In a word,
they should be indistinguishable from the straits. We would like
to reach parentheses. To return to the terms we have
used in previous articles, spokesmen for our cause must be
our type straits rather than Q type homosexuals on display.
Only under such conditions will the message be read correctly.
These folks are victims of a fate that could have
happened to me. It's you know, it's very much. We've
very much reached the point where that's just not a
concern anymore. They the White House, the the people I
don't know if they call it, if that's people's house
for Congress, I don't know. God, I hate CIVIX. They
host these people dressed as demons. It's completely normal. It's
that is completely normal. What is what seems to be odd,
what seems to be out of the ordinary now is
to meet a gay person who's actually you think, oh
that person's that person seems straight. Oh they're gay? Well
that shocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the exception now, like to the point where
I can recall those quote unquote straight gays that I've
met in my life and they stand out as the
odd ball because the homosexuals on display is just everything now.
They're making no effort whatsoever to pretend to be like normal.
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out see what an art hype? Straight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering that too. What is this R
and Q type? Never heard of that before?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm getting an exhaust pipe. Mm hm, at is
sexual orientation. There's just a bunch of different terms here.
Let me see.
Speaker 2: I think our type is also like a reproductive strategy,
isn't it Dunton talks about this or maybe it's k
I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not finding anything immediate, So we'll
give the uh, give the folks at home some uh
some homework to do on their own. Can you see
the what I'm sharing right now?
Speaker 2: I only see the article still.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me get that up then already. Okay.
By the way, we realize that many gays will question
an advertising technique which might threaten to make homosexuality look
like some dreadful disease which strikes faded victims. But the
plain fact is that the gay community is weak and
must manipulate the powers of the week, including the play
for sympathy. In any case, we compensate for the negative
aspect of the gay victim appeal under Principle four, which
we will get to the second message would portray gays
as victims of society. The straight majority does not recognize
the suffering it brings to the lives of gays, and
must be shown graphic pictures of brutalized gaye dramatizations of
job in housing, insecurity, loss of child custody, and public humiliation,
and the dismal list goes on.
Speaker 2: Well, this is just all not applicable anymore because now
they're raising the flags in place of the Union Jack
in Great Britain and raising the giant flag the White House.
So there's really no sense in which they're weak or
like victims of society. I mean, they're clearly just running
society now. So yeah, yet another place where I mean,
basically seems like all of Step two can just be
discarded because they've they've won to the point where sort
of pretended to be weak is just no longer relevant, right.
Speaker 1: I think the reason I wanted to read this was
to show people how we got to where we are,
and also there's propaganda in here that pretty much anybody
can use.
Speaker 2: Well, you can see the remnants of it too, Like
you can see the remnants of Step two in their behavior,
even though it's obviously a lie. Like they still pretend
like they're victims even though it's clearly not true.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, good point, all right. Step three give protectors
a just cause. A media campaign that cascades of society's
victims and encourages straits to be their protectors must make
it easier for those to respond, to assert and explain
their new protectiveness. Few straight women, or even fewer straight men,
will want to defend homosexuality boldly. As such, most would
rather attach their awakened protective impulse to some principle of
justice or law, to some general desire for consistent and
fair treatment in society. This is really good. Our campaign
should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead
take anti discrimination at its theme. The right to free speech,
freedom of beliefs, freedom of association, due process, and equal
protection of laws. These should be the concerns brought to
mind by our campaign.
Speaker 2: Is well, this is still applicable because it's the same
strategy that you know, conservatives will argue against you basically
if you try to make a cause for dismantling like
the Civil Rights Act or something, because their reaction is, oh, well,
if we take away these rights you know, for gays,
then you know my rights for free speech were also threatened.
It's like if you if you it's this sort of
reverse slippery slope argument where it's it's like, if you
take away the gays rights, then my rights are also
under threat, even though there's like, no, there's no evidence
of that whatsoever. This is what I always encounter when
sort of arguing like the trans issue. With most people,
it's like they if you suggest that you can tell
someone what to do in the privacy of their own
home or whatever, which is sort of attack the coole
concept of the of trans rights or gay rights, then
you're now threatening their freedom to do totally unrelated things.
Speaker 1: Right, and conservatives and kan inc and the James Lindsay's
of the world, they see the they see the taking
away of these rights as a taking how it will
affect everybody where. No, we're not seeking to take away
the rights. We're seeking to take away privileges that they've
gotten through these rights, because there's no The Civil Rights
Act didn't grant anyone rights, they granted them privileges.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's the whole concept is not true. I mean, yes,
we can take away the privileges without having any negative
effect whatsoever on all the privileges of normal people.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, it's like, what did they pass last year
an anti lynching law? What isn't I'm sorry, isn't that
like anti murder? Isn't that you know, you're not allowed
to murder somebody?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, all right. It is especially important for
the gay movement to hitch its cause to accepted standards
of law and justice because it's straight supporters must have
at hand a cogent replied to the moral arguments of
its enemies. The homophobes clothe their emotional revulsion in the
daunting robes of religious dogma, so defenders of gay rights
must be ready to counter dogma with principle Step four,
make gays look good. In order to make a gay
victim sympathetic to straits, you have to portray him as
every man. But an additional theme of the campaign should
be more aggressive and upbeat. To offset the increasingly bad
press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women,
The campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society. Yes, yes,
we know. This trick is so old it creaks other
minorities use it all the time in ads that announce proudly,
did you know that this great man or woman was blank?
But the message is vital for all those straits who
still picture gays as queer people, shadowy, lonesome, veil, drunken, suicidal,
child snatching misfits. The honor roll of prominent gay or
bisexual men and women is truly eye popping, from from
Socrates to Shakespeare, from Alexander the Great to Alixander Hamilton.
That answers a question I've had. From Michaelangelo to Walt Whitman,
from Sappho to Gertrude Stein. The list is as old
as hat to us, but shocking news to heterosexual America.
In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could
have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother
to Western civilization. Along the same lines, we shouldn't overlook
the celebrity endorsement. The celebrities can be straight, God bless
you ed Asner wherever you are, or gay.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure there's much to comment on here.
I mean, it's yeah, this is what they do, everything
superior if it's gay, right, like, always highlight them. The
gay people even claim that his these historical figures were
gay when they weren't rewrite history.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we even saw someone like Steve Saylor
trying to say that Kazinski was like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that that stuff is so annoying the
whole well, actually Ted Kaczinski was a transsexual. It's like,
shut up, Nerd, just shut.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah and fuck off.
Speaker 2: Seriously that stuff. It really pisses me off.
Speaker 1: And somebody had commented saying that I think it was
on a YouTube video I had done that. They saw
something on TV the other day that they were claiming
the dB Cooper, you know, the famous robber who jumped
out of a plane and everything that was never found. Oh,
he was trans. It's like everybody's going to become trans
now they're going to look back in history and they're
gonna be like, well, this person was the reason dB
Cooper got away is because he was trans, and he
obviously he had to just dress like, you know, jumped
out of the plane and then dressed like a woman,
and that's how he got away. I mean, it's all right.
Step five, make the victimizers look bad. At a later
stage of the media campaign for gay rights, long after
other gay ads had become commonplace, it will be time
to get tough with remaining opponents. This, this is for
this time, this is and take a look around you
to be blunt, they must be vilified. This will be all.
This will be all the more necessary because by that
time the entrenched enemy will have quadrupled its output of
vitriol and disinformation. Our goal is here. Our goal here
is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream self
righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second,
we intend to make the anti gays look so nasty
that average Americans will want to disassociate themselves from such types.
The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes, whose
secondary traits and beliefs discussed Middle America. These images might
include the Ku Klux Klan demanding the gays be burned
alive or castrated, bigoted Southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred
to a degree that looks both comical and deranged, menacing
punk's thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the fags they
have killed or would like to kill. A tour of
Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. A
campaign to vilify the victimizers is going to enrage our
most furtivid enemies, of course, But what else can we say?
The shoe fits and we should make them try it
on for size with all of America watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they didn't even care either about
what whether or not any of this is true. Obviously,
they're just gonna it's the same old thing, Just label
you nazi whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't know how much of the rest
of the article we need to we need to read
because a lot of it is about fundraising, and although
fundraising is really important in something that we should be studying,
especially on the especially on the right.
Speaker 2: Really in terms of learning too. I mean, we can
clearly learn from from this step right here, where this
is basically what we have to do to them, and
just flip the image back and you know, show how
degenerate and disgusting and gross they actually are, you know,
both comical and deranged, as they say, menacing punk's thugs.
I mean that's what they literately are. I mean, if
you read that sentence, comical and deranged, menacing punk's thugs
and convicts, I mean, that's what they are, So that's
the strategy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, let me see if I like, I
have that over here. Yeah, the so they like so
quickly they say solicit funds. Any massive kind of campaign
of this kind requires expenditures for months. One thing he
says here, which is very interesting, is effective advertising is
a cost proposition. Several million dollars would get the ball rolling.
There are ten to fifteen million, primarily homosexual adults in
this country. If each one of them donated just two
dollars to the campaign, it's war chest would rival that
of the most of their most vocal enemies. Yeah. I
mean that's let's see in thirty five years, that probably
should be probably ten to fifteen or twenty dollars now
considering inflation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they don't even need that anymore anyway, because
now they have a whole regime on their side. But
for us, I mean, part of the phase we need
to get to is and we're kind of doing it
obviously with organizations like the Old Glory Club. We have
to get past the point of individual contributions going to
individual contributors and start getting people donating to various organizations
by formalizing our relationships. Because you know, in our case,
for one, not everyone is donating. In two, even if
they do, the donations are getting spread out among individuals,
which mostly just contributes to their personal projects and not
the kind of initiative they're talking about here with advertising.
But I do think we have the capacity to actually fundraise.
It's but it's very much on our part on this
side of things right now to provide the organizational structure
of people to donate to and also have a like,
what are we actually doing with the money? Right We
need to have a reason for people to give us
money at all.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that's one of the most important
things is I think more and more people are starting
to see the benefit of local activism above all. Right now,
I mean, no doing it to me, and people can
contradict me on this, you know, I'm fine with that.
Any money that you're putting towards somebody who is running
for walk a position in Washington, DC, you just flush
that money down the toilet, even if they get elected. Blush.
They're not gonna be able to do anything at this point.
I mean, we're not We're not even at the point
where a you know, people talk about the Red Caesar
or the Protestant Franco. That's the one that's been going
around lately. We're not at that point, and so concentrating
at all on on national politics to me is a mistake.
I think what what we should be doing is we
should be getting advanced, getting experience in politics, because I
think a lot of a lot of us have not
been in politics at the local level, whether that be
running for some kind of small office at the local level,
or volunteering time, you know, with the with the local
sheriff or the local school board, or just going to
remember Thoe Bishop telling me five years ago or something
like that, how he had one guy who would just
go he was he had a Facebook page. It eventually
got taken down. He would just go and film his
local city council meetings and then he would post it
online and he would comment on it. He'd be like, Okay,
this this is wasteful. What they're doing here. Is wasteful
what they're doing here. And it drew a lot of
attention and it caused a lot of change.
Speaker 2: So wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, So that seems much
more effective than actually trying to speak at the meetings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you Yeah, if you go in there
and you can get videotape the whole thing, the whole proceeding,
and then start, you know, go home, watch it, take notes,
and then do a video on it. That's a that
does a lot. And you know, even if it doesn't
help in even if you can't change anything locally to you,
it's going to help somebody somewhere where they can, where
they can have changed, have changed done locally.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll start doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I jumping right to national politics or
even state level politics. I mean state level politics is rutal.
And I watched the state races here in Alabama last year,
and I mean there were some I mean we knew
pretty much everything was going to go red because we're
a super majority red state, but there were a couple
of districts that went blue. And just to watch the vitriol, Yeah,
it'll teach you something. I think it's a lot easier locally,
and especially with ye if you're in a town that
is a town of a thousand. Honestly, how many people
are they're interested in local politics out of that thousand people?
Speaker 2: Not enough. I actually do go to my local city
council meetings and I think, you know, everyone should at
least a couple uh, you know, once every few months.
If you can't go every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you can learn a lot about how politics,
how politics works, and then yeah, you can move on
from there. I'm not saying that everybody. I never want
to be an elected office ever. Maybe sheriff, I don't know,
but that's really a joke. My wife would kill me.
But the I am willing more than willing to provide anything,
any help whatsoever, any of my research how things have
been done in the past. You know exactly how much
power a sheriff for a mayor of a locality has,
and work with them on it, because I think we're
there's a good chance that there are going to be
a lot of localities where you're going to be overrun
by the FED. You know, my friend Brandon is an
elected he's a councilman up in a small town in
Indiana and he's been He just made one tweet that
they that some leftists didn't like in this really small town.
And it wasn't even leftist inside the town. It was
from the outside of people on the outside watching and
they just swooped in for the attack, and I mean
just started calling all of his colleagues, you know, saying
you need to dissociate from him. And then when they
didn't do that, they were like, oh, well he raped
a girl in high school.
Speaker 2: Every single time. I mean, we'll bring that out, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah something. Yeah, And anyone who's listening to this,
who thinks that you're going to have a converse you're
going to have an honest conversation with the left, just
remember that. Just remember that it's always a false rape allegation.
It's always something. They are going to do anything to
destroy you, so you're going to have to destroy them first.
That's I think that's where we're at. I don't know
about you, Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. We sort of touched on this
going over the article. But you know, you can't really
pretend like there's some sort of way to have a
principal dialogue or anything like that with these people because
they don't care about that. That whole process of you know,
debating and convincing and talking it over only exists to
make you lose. So you know, there's really nothing to do.
But I would organize them and then try to exclude
them from organizations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's where we're at. All right.
Well let's uh, let's cut this one along. That's a
lot shorter than no one's I've been doing it lately,
but I'm sure that some people will appreciate that. And
I think we've packed in a lot of information. So
what do you got to plug? What should we talk about? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yep? I just wrote an article for the Old Glory
Club on Ted Kaczynski on our blog, so check that out.
Check out my YouTube channel Charlemagne as usual. I'll I
do have something scheduled coming up looking at some war
games that were sponsored by NBC regarding China. Just trying
to plan out a live stream on that which should
be really interesting. So that's upcoming, and yeah, that's all
I got.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure the links all that and remind people, yeah,
about the Old Glory Club. I'm a I'm a member,
And actually tonight I think Paul and I are going
to stream and I'm going to do give my talk
on Ted kay and you know what the what his
writing is, the manifesto and various writings, what I think
they mean and why people should read them. So thank you,
Charles appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for inviting me.