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I will admit the others 55 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.319 and when you catch me if you can freeway phantom. 56 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.400 In nineteen seventy one and seventy two, a deadly predator 57 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.719 stalked the streets of the nation's capital. His targets young girls, 58 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.520 whom he kidnapped, raped, and left the remains along busy 59 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.439 roadways in plain view. Some of his victims he held 60 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.920 captive for days, others only a few minutes. Seven victims, 61 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.600 ranging from the ages of ten to eighteen, died in 62 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:25.920 his hands. Then, as mysteriously as he started, the Freeway 63 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:30.480 Phantom stopped on one victim. He left a note taunting 64 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.120 police and confirming the name. The media gave him the 65 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:40.000 Freeway Phantom. Now, after nearly five decades, Washington, d C's 66 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.480 oldest unsolved serial killing spree his pride open. With the suspects, 67 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.879 the liars, and the evidence laid bare. Father daughter duo 68 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:53.240 and best selling authors Blaine Pardeaux and Victoria Hester share 69 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.279 shed new light and provide tantalizing new clues as to 70 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.959 who may be the Freeway Phantom. The book that we're 71 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.959 featuring this evening is tantamount the pursuit of the Freeway 72 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:09.199 Phantom serial killer. With my special guests, Blaine Pardoh and 73 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:13.199 Victoria Hester, welcome to the program, and thank you very 74 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.639 much for a greened in this interview. Victoria Hester and Blaine. 75 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.519 Pardo, thanks for having us. 76 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:27.959 Thank you, good evening, Good evening. Let's start off right 77 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:34.160 away with Blaine. Why don't you tell us a little 78 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:39.439 bit remind us about April nineteen sixty eight, Washington d C. 79 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.199 As you do set the stage in this book, tell 80 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:48.560 us about April fourth, nineteen sixty eight and Washington d 81 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:52.720 C at that time, before we talk about the very 82 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:58.079 next day after riot, two weeks of demonstrations against the 83 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:03.519 Vietnam War, US about and set the stage for April 84 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.319 nineteen sixty eight Washington, d C, USA. 85 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.120 But I would be pleased to you know, I think 86 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.959 you've got to look at the tinderbox that was Washington 87 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.879 d C. In the sixties. You know, two thirds of 88 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.839 the city's population in the late sixties, early seventies, and 89 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.079 these crimes take place in seventy one and seventy two. 90 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.680 But you know, the cita's population at the time was 91 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:36.079 eighty percent black, but you know, the police force was 92 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:40.360 eighty percent white, and that kind of a mix really 93 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.560 did cause some problems. The DC public schools, you know, 94 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.199 were ninety two percent black students, but only one out 95 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.480 of every three freshmen actually graduated high school. The city 96 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:58.560 was in a very deep divide, and race was very 97 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.839 much a primary issue along with the civil rights struggle, 98 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.560 you know, and everything kind of fell apart in April 99 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.120 of nineteen sixty eight, when Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated. 100 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.279 The black community long frustrated with what was going on 101 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:20.399 in the city and feeling that they were targets, you know, 102 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.480 rioted as they did in many cities across the country, 103 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.120 you know, but this was in the nation's capital, and 104 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.839 they inflicted a heck of a lot of dmage on 105 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:35.040 that and it really caused a great schism, you know, 106 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.360 in the city, and a lot of distrust with the 107 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:41.040 police force, which we saw as we were doing this 108 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.560 book was a key element. By the time you get 109 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:50.079 to nineteen seventy one, you're dealing with massive protests against 110 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.279 the Vietnam War. The week before the first of these 111 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.959 murders in nineteen seventy one, you had a half million 112 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:01.279 people in town visiting DC and pro testing the war, 113 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.759 and that really led to a lot of problems all 114 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:08.120 on its own, and it took a police force it 115 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:12.319 was already streamed and stressed and stretched it even further. 116 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.040 Now you talk about April twenty fifth, nineteen seventy one, 117 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:23.079 and you write in the introduction, this is what is 118 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.360 known as this crime spree, this murder spree. April twenty fifth, 119 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.399 nineteen seventy one to November twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two, 120 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:34.759 and we'll talk about that, but you talk of the 121 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:40.360 first victim, Carol Denise Spinx, Victoria. If you can tell 122 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.000 us a little bit what happened on April twenty fifth 123 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:50.799 with Carol Denise Spinx and seven to eleven. 124 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.039 So she at the time of her disappearance was thirteen 125 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:04.320 years old, So although a teenager, still very much child right. 126 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.080 Nineteen seventies were a lot different than today, where sending 127 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.240 your child to the store at the end of the 128 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:14.919 block wasn't a thing you do today without a cell phone, 129 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.840 without you know, some sort of tracking device on your child. 130 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:20.799 There was a lot more trust. 131 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.159 In other people and of children being able to go 132 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.039 outside and play and not have to worry. Carol was 133 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.440 on her way to seven eleven to grab a few 134 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:34.519 things for her family, and she disappeared right outside about 135 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:39.600 seven eleven and was found later. Just you know what 136 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.039 seemed like at the time, just an isolated incident, but 137 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.879 you know, as the months went on, it seemed to 138 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.080 be kind of a reoccurring thing with these young girls 139 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.960 disappearing and being found later in a ditch or on 140 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:52.840 the side of the road. 141 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:59.919 Now, tell us about finding this body and what please 142 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.279 I can learn from this if anything. 143 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.679 Well, she was found six days later, and what was 144 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:14.480 really kind of interesting or creepy about that is her 145 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.720 killer had kept her for a period of time. She 146 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:23.840 actually had digested food in her stomach, and the estimated 147 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.559 time of her death was in such that it's believed 148 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.080 that he kept her for several days in his control. 149 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.960 And she's found a Long Eye two ninety five, which 150 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.679 is one of the major thoroughfares through the Washington, DC 151 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:44.759 area on the southeast side. And you know when she's found, 152 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.039 she's found on the right at the edge of the 153 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:51.480 grounds of Seeing Elizabeth's Hospital and just kind of unceremoniously 154 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.559 dumped alongside the road. But there is some evidence that's 155 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:02.279 found on her. Well, she died of man strangulation. They 156 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.799 did find several synthetic green fibers, which kind of become 157 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.000 a hallmark of the of these killings, is these fibers 158 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.519 that were found and those were found on her body. 159 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:15.600 Of course, at the time, they just thought this was 160 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.960 a young girl who had been kidnapped. Nobody realized at 161 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.480 that point that they had a serial killer on their hands. 162 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.600 You talk about also the limited forensics at that time, 163 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.440 but also that they would collect hairs and fibers. You 164 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:33.759 talked about the fibers. What were the hairs that were 165 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.320 found at that first crime scene. 166 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:40.519 There were several negrade hairs found at that crime scene 167 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.879 and they were not hers. Now, they showed up in 168 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.559 her shorts or sweatering or underwear, but at the time 169 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.159 they didn't have that. They also found some blood under 170 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:57.159 her fingernails. Today that would have been easily DNA tested, 171 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.559 but at the time, you know, it just they didn't anything. 172 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.480 They didn't even have enough for conclusive blood typing or 173 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:04.679 grouping at that time. 174 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:13.919 Right, you list The next victim is Darlenia Denise Johnson, 175 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.840 and again we'll talk about the significance of the name 176 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.639 Denise or the middle named Denise. And you say she 177 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.440 was found eleven days later and her face and body 178 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.440 were so badly decomposed that the medical examiner had to 179 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.120 cut off her fingers to id her. Of course, was 180 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.320 no DNA testing at that time. She had disappeared July eighth, 181 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.960 nineteen seventy one. Tell us about what had happened to 182 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.240 her for her to disappear. 183 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:49.320 Victoria Ticket, Yeah, I'll take this flunchop. Darlenia was sixteen 184 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.879 years old, and she was actually on her way to work. 185 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.519 She had a summer job at the Oxen Hill Recreation Center. 186 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.080 That's pretty much the last time that she was reported 187 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.080 being seen, so not sure if she was abducted on 188 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.000 her way to work or there was some talk before 189 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.720 that she may have skipped work on purpose that day 190 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.320 to hang out with her boyfriend. It's really not clear 191 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.559 what part of town or is the area that she 192 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.720 was abducted or taken from, but there was no witnesses 193 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.320 actually to see her get in a car with someone else. 194 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.360 Her body was found quite almost a week and a 195 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:29.279 half later. It was actually fifteen feet from where Carol 196 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.759 Spinks's body had been found, so very close proximity to 197 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:37.720 each other. Obviously, her body was badly decomposed. There was 198 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.240 could not find a cause of death for her, it 199 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.440 was so badly decomposed. In the July seat, it was 200 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.759 interesting on her case that her body was visible from 201 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.960 the road the roadway that it was next to, and 202 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.399 multiple callers had called in and saying, I think there's 203 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.879 a body on the side of the road. The police 204 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.519 responded to those calls but never got outside of their 205 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.279 police guards to actually look for a body. They basically 206 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.360 drove by, didn't see anything, and called it at all clear. 207 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:12.960 I think one of the more disturbing things that we 208 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.320 went through when we met with one of the detectives 209 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:19.480 is she actually had the photographs from the crime scene 210 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.559 and from the autopsies, and it was deeply disturbing. Out 211 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.159 of all of these victims, they're all horribly disturbing because 212 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.120 they're young girls, but hers was probably the most disturbing 213 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.440 because we're talking, you know, summer in Washington, DC, a 214 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.960 body being left out for days at a time exposed. 215 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.759 They were unable to get a real usable trace evidence 216 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.519 at all from that those remains, and it may have 217 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.799 been one of the more critical ones if they had 218 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:51.000 responded quickly where they could have gotten some useful evidence. 219 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:59.759 You right. Particularly horrifying fact that this was that one 220 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.759 of the witnesses that said that they had seen the 221 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:06.360 body had driven by their days later and saw that 222 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:10.399 no one had responded to it. So he was angry 223 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.399 at the police that they're in action, you write, And 224 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.759 so he told his boss, who had a friend, which 225 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:20.559 was this Lieutenant Baden, And so as you talk about 226 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.559 many days after the fact, probably didn't help this investigation whatsoever. 227 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:30.399 And that's just one of the disturbing facts that we 228 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.159 get through this entire case. 229 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.879 Yeah, I think it's hard for people to understand that 230 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.919 nineteen seventy one and seventy two, we didn't have the 231 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:45.200 phrase serial killer. We didn't know that wasn't known. We 232 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:49.840 didn't know how these people operated, and that was I 233 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:53.000 think a big factor in the investigation and why it 234 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:58.279 has gone on for so many years. 235 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:58.240 Now. 236 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:04.559 Was there any linking of based on evidence, the Spinks 237 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.360 and the Johnson deaths at that time by police, and 238 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:12.200 how do they proceed? They did. 239 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.440 They were starting to draw a connection, especially because she's 240 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.879 found fifteen feet or so from where Carol Spinks was 241 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.679 discovered her remains were discovered, So they realized that they 242 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.720 were probably dealing with the same killer that was happening 243 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.919 that was occurring at that time. So they really did 244 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.600 start to see a connection. But what they did is 245 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.639 they applied police techniques that you apply when you're trying 246 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.440 to solve an individual crime rather than go after a 247 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.080 serial killer. So a lot of it was trying to generate, 248 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.919 you know, tips and leads from the public, and it's 249 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.360 very hard because you're dealing with young girls. These were 250 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.200 not victims that had you know, extensive life history where 251 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.799 they had people that might have a grudge against them 252 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:02.159 or some way to connect them. And it was very 253 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.920 random how they were mysteriously disappeared. Both of them disappeared, 254 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.440 you know, for the most part in daylight or twilight 255 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.519 hours in Washington, d C. So you know, someone should 256 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.039 have seen something, but they weren't getting that type of feedback, 257 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.480 which really told them that the killer was operating kind 258 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:27.519 of brazenly right out in the open, and that was disturbing. 259 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.079 I think the media drew more connections than the police did. 260 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:31.759 At that stage. 261 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:32.079 Though. 262 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:41.119 What is one of the events that occurs while the 263 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.839 Johnson Darlinia is missing in terms of the mother receiving 264 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.039 what did she see at the home she's. 265 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.440 Been You know, it's interesting a number of these victims 266 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.240 did receive crank calls, and you know, some of them 267 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.920 were very dis and you know, I remember as a 268 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.119 child who was raised in the sixties and seventies, crank 269 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.960 calls used to happen because we didn't have you know, 270 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.839 caller ID at the time. You did get crank calls, 271 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.759 but it was very disturbing a number of these victims 272 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:22.960 received phone calls afterwards, and you have to wonder was 273 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.799 that the killer actually reaching out to them to the families. 274 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.519 Now we talk about Brenda Fay Crockett, ten year old, 275 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.920 and she was again it seems a pattern here, sent 276 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:43.960 to the store for groceries. Again a different time the 277 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.960 seventies where we would send a ten year old anywhere, 278 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.279 but even this short distance. And this is July twenty ninth, 279 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:53.799 nineteen seventy one. She's in the fifth grade, and she's 280 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.559 well aware of you rite of dangers of getting into 281 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.799 vehicles with strangers. She's been educated about this. And it's 282 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:08.759 nine days after Darlinia Johnson's body was found. Brenda. 283 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.119 Yeah, So, ten year old Brenda was sent by her 284 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.880 mother to the store just there, a couple of blocks 285 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.839 away from her home. A couple of hours had gone 286 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.440 by and her mother started to get concerned, So the 287 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.240 family started to search the neighborhood, ask the neighbors have 288 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:32.279 you seen Brenda. While they're doing so, her younger sister 289 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.119 is at home and receives a phone call. She answers 290 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.079 the phone call and it's Brenda on the other line 291 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:43.880 hysterically crying, saying that a white man picks her up 292 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.000 and that she's going to Virginia, or that she was 293 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.880 in Virginia with a white man and that he was 294 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:54.200 going to send her in a cab home the sitter. 295 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:58.559 She abruptly hangs up, and then just a few minutes 296 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:03.240 later calls back again and it's Brenda again calling crying, 297 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.559 asking if her mother saw her. So the indication here 298 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.559 is whoever took Brenda or abducted her either knew what 299 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.880 her mother drove, or Brenda may have seen her mother 300 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.799 drive by or a car that looks like her mother's 301 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:23.920 and said to her killer, I think that's my mom. 302 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.920 It fears that he the killer, had been spotted or 303 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:33.759 that his vehicle may have been spotted with her inside. 304 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.279 The thought is that he had her call and give 305 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.240 this fake description of where she was and who she 306 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:46.440 was with to throw everyone off, and Brenda ends up 307 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:49.359 calling a total of three times to her home, at 308 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:54.920 one time talking to her mother's friend, an older male friend, 309 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.519 and tries to get more information from her, but again 310 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.039 the phone call this cut short, almost like their footsteps 311 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.440 in the background, making it pretty clear that someone is 312 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:09.319 standing over her shoulder while she makes these calls. And 313 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:12.559 that's the last time that the family ever hears or 314 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:17.759 from Brenda again. The next morning, pretty early in the morning, 315 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:22.160 before dawn, her body was found right off a Route fifty. 316 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.279 It was she had been strangled, it was she had 317 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.680 been raped, but that was the last time. It was 318 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.400 the creepy connection of her actually calling and speaking to 319 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:39.039 her sister and her mother's friend on the phone. It's 320 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.039 just what The killer was clearly afraid that he had 321 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:46.200 been caught, so he tried his hardest to throw everybody 322 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:51.519 off by giving this opposite description. There is no belief 323 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:56.759 that she was ever even in Virginia. It's just an 324 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:02.079 odd sense of did you feel like he caught? 325 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.200 You're right that there's again a few negroid hairs found, 326 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.640 and the synthetic green fibers that were consistent with the 327 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:14.119 other or most of the other ones as well recovered 328 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.759 from the clothing, and blood mixed with semen found in 329 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:20.799 the underwear. 330 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:29.039 Yes, this is a killer that sexually assaults young girls. Yeah, 331 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.759 and I've read a couple of newspaper descriptions. We had 332 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.079 explore it in great detail in the book, but a 333 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:38.279 number of newspaper descriptions. You have officers kind of saying, well, 334 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:42.400 these girls dress provocatively and things on those lines, and 335 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.640 it couldn't be further from the truth. These were young girls, 336 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.559 and they dressed like young girls in the nineteen seventies. 337 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:53.200 These were not girls that were over developed. For the 338 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.960 most party, most of them that we've seen pictures of 339 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:01.920 the look their age or younger. And so the killer 340 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:07.799 clearly had a thing for young women or young girls, 341 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:10.039 and that was his focus. 342 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:18.119 Absolutely. You now talk about Moshia Yates or Nino Yates. 343 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.319 This is October second, nineteen seventy one. She's twelve years 344 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.400 old and in the sixth grade. She lived in an 345 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:30.319 apartment with her father and her stepmother. Again this is 346 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:33.920 again some of the tragic stories, heart wrenching stories. Her 347 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.880 stepmom was in the hospital after having a baby in 348 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.960 complications or after having a baby part of me, and 349 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:46.759 she is sent again to the store Safeways a block away. 350 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:53.279 Tell us what happens to Nino Mashia October first. 351 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:58.279 So she was sent to the Safeway store literally just 352 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.039 around the corner, a place she had been probably one 353 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.440 hundred times. She was purchased and as proven by the 354 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:10.039 manager in the store saw her purchase items. She was 355 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:16.039 alone at the time. She purchased like flower sugar, very 356 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:20.039 like normal things to take home. She had those items 357 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.359 in a Safeway bag, had her change in her pocket, 358 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.720 was headed home, and then just vanished from this side 359 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.079 of the streets. And it's a fairly busy area. This 360 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:35.200 isn't a parking lot with no lights. And you know, 361 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.759 it wasn't very late at night. It was seven pm 362 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:43.839 on October first. It wasn't, you know, an odd time 363 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.759 of day or odd CD part of town. She just 364 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.559 disappeared from the side of the road. And in her case, 365 00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:53.759 it was odd because the bag was left behind, the 366 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.960 Safeway bag with her items in it. So it makes 367 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.519 it seem like either she was forced in the vehicle 368 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.119 or she would have just taken those items with her. 369 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.240 If it was somebody offering her a ride, why would 370 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:09.599 she leave those things behind. But again, no witnesses ever 371 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:12.880 came forward to say I heard screaming, I saw this 372 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.920 young girl being forced into a car. Now, whether those 373 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.559 witnesses exist and just we're afraid to say anything, were unsure. 374 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.359 But of course her body was found just three hours later, 375 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.119 and there's some reports saying her body was still warm 376 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.319 when it was found. That's how fresh it was. Same 377 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:37.000 deal with the other cases. Her shoes were missing, and 378 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:40.839 then she had these green, almost neon green fibers on 379 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.359 her clothing, which is kind of a consistent thing that 380 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.119 have been found on the other bodies as well. Is 381 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.960 that kind of connects them at this point, is these 382 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:55.759 green fibers that appear they're very they're very neon, and 383 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.799 it's clearly coming from some sort of bath mat. How 384 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:05.119 something that stands out. It's definitely not something that we 385 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.759 all have in our house. This color screen. 386 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:17.359 You write about the unusual redressing of the victims, tell 387 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.759 us about that and also what the Washington Metropolitan Police 388 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:25.680 Department admits at this point in terms of case connection. 389 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.240 Well, it is interesting. What really starts to emerge is 390 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:38.000 when she's redressed, she was experiencing her period for the 391 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:44.559 first time. Her sanitary mapkin was not placed properly, so 392 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.920 it's clear that the killer dressed her. And the location 393 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.240 of the green fibers really becomes kind of important because 394 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:57.119 they're found inside of underwear, inside of braziers. Oftentimes, the clothing, 395 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:00.160 some of the pieces of clothing are put on inside out, 396 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:05.200 which is an indication that the killer has redressed them. 397 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:10.039 And you know, the fact is at this stage is 398 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:15.559 when you start to see the police going. What the 399 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.480 families have been pushing for is to say, yes, these 400 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:23.480 crimes are connected and that they have a single killer 401 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.720