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Speaker 1: And went the girl as I'm hey everyone, and welcome
back to Bloody Angola Podcast one and forty two years
in the making, the complete story of America's Bloodiest present.
I'm Jim Chapman, and I got something a little bit
different for you today. Of course, we brought you several
episodes on the escapes out of New Orleans, where ten
individuals escaped from Orleans Parish jail, and I was honored
to go on a podcast with Kieran Challa. Her podcast
is called Louisiana Unfiltered, and we discussed up to the
second details on the two remaining escapees who have yet
to be caught. It was a really informative discussion with
myself and Kieran, who is an Emmy Award winning investigative
journalist here in South Louisiana. So here it is that
interview in full with Louisiana Unfiltered's Kieran Chala.
Speaker 3: It's a story that originated right here in our backyard
and has now garnered national attention. A prison escape, but
it's not just one inmate. Instead, it's ten inmates, all
escaping at one time. Two of them remain on the run,
and I'll even say one of them is almost teasing
law enforcement by posting pictures and videos to social media.
How were ten people able to escape the parish prison
in Orleans Parish. We're going to delve into that. We're
also going to break down how they initially thought it
was eleven inmates who escaped. I'm Karen Challa and this
is Louisiana Unfiltered. Welcome back everyone. This week, we are
joined by my fellow podcaster and friend producer as well
of multiple podcasts. We're gonna say exposed for now, but
he's got several podcasts as well, Jim Chapman. Thank you
for joining us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk today.
Speaker 3: Where do we start, Jim? I feel like we almost
need to start with how does this even happen? Ten
people at one time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question. And as much as you and
I would love the answer to that question, it seems
like the entire country wants the answer to that question.
As you said in your intro, this has become national news,
especially considering they have not all been caught yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, Jim, I'll even tell you a personal story. Obviously,
we're bent roots based, and in the beginning when all
this happened, we did not cover it. It's New Orleans. Uh.
But the day that they discovered it happened, NewsNation texted
and said are you covering this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like it made national news immediately. There was no let's
wait till the following week. This same day, obviously, we're
talking about it now because what it's been three weeks
and you still have inmates who are on the run.
Speaker 1: Still on the run. And you know, when this first
hit the news, it was not just the Orleans pairis
sheriff coming out and holding a press conference. The governor
came out, Yes, the Attorney General, Liz Muriel came out
with a press conference. This was a big deal. These
were not people that were arrested for jaywalking busting out
of city jail. This was people for murder, suspicion of murder, rape.
There was a lot of accusations involved, and as you
mentioned in the intro. Initially they weren't even sure how
many got out.
Speaker 3: That just baffles me. How do you not know? And
I understand we're going to break all this down, gen,
but I understand that in today's day and age, a
lot of parish prisons and obviously we're parishes here in Louisiana,
but county jails and prisons across the country. They're all
struggling with a lack of money to update the prisons.
And when I say update, I don't mean just have
enough for the capacity. I mean for the infrastructure to
be improved. Yes, I feel like that's half the problem.
But staffing wise, how do you miscount?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and there was a lot that went wrong
here that we're discovering in your absolutely correct budget. Concerns
are a concern. The last thing any says that wants
to pay for is prisons. Last thing they want to
pay for because you're housing, you're paying tax dollars for
someone that broke the law and they get thrown in prison,
they're convicted of awful crimes, and you don't want to
have to pay for that. Nope, something that you have
to do as a society is keep up your presence,
because things like this can happen. So initially when this happened,
it made all the news and it was eleven people
that escaped. Then they discovered that one person was actually
moved to another part of the prison and did not escape.
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing, it really is. We all know the history
of an OPD and that I personally feel. And again
this is completely Kier and Charl's opinion, not a fact
that the reason the governor got involved, the reason the
attorney general got involved is because how do we put
makeup on this black guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have to hurry up and get a
hold of it.
Speaker 1: A quick catch up on exactly how this happened. Initially,
these these convicts escaped jail. They went through a hole
in a They actually pulled the back of a toilet off,
made a hole went through that. Whenever a gate, they
were able to get out of their cells because the
locks they were so antiquated, they were able to bust
the locks in one way or another. Now, they did
have some help on the inside. They arrested an individual
allegedly who helped them, and this individual was supposedly threatened
they were going to shank him if he did not
turn the water off. He was not a correctional officer.
He was a guy that worked maintenance at the prison,
and he turned the water off and that enabled them
to make their escape. This was planned. This was not
something on the spart of a moment in the video.
When you watch the video, you see these guys just
tugging on these gates and busting locks, and yeah, that's
a budget problem. But the other problem was, as you
just mentioned the count, they were on the loose for
like hours before they even realized it.
Speaker 3: And that's a long time.
Speaker 1: That's a major issue. Yeah, that's a long time. You
can get a long way with hours, Yeah, which is
what they were discovering. A lot of these have made
it a long way. A few of them they were
able to catch. You know, a couple of them were
strolling right there in French Quarter, rolling down Bourbon Street,
and facial recognition, thankfully in New Orleans recognizing these guys
and caught them essentially.
Speaker 3: I know one was caught in Houston. Yeah, two two
were caught in Houston. And I laughed because I've got
friends out in that direction, and I think we're going
to talk about this one of the escaped inmates who's
still out there and is posting videos and pictures. The
joke is, okay, Houston PD, get your stuff together, they're
one of the best in the country. That let's figure
out where they are. And they jokingly said, we already
caught two for them. How many more you want us
to catching? That's why I chuckled, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: And they actually went on a pretty major car chase
to catch those guys, and what they were finding out
and discovering at the beginning was there was a lot
of help on the outside. The Governor, Jeff Landry came
out and did his press conference. Of course, the police
knew these these guys are likely going to have some help.
They're gonna call friends, family, and he said, if you're caught,
we're not holding back. We're going to charge you to
the furthest extent of the law for helping these guys,
which I found very interesting in luck rewards right now,
fifty thousand dollars for the final two information leading to
their arrest. It's a lot a lot of people will
look at you and say you're my boy, But for
fifty g's I'm calling the police.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you've got the governor saying this, yeah, but
then when they're getting arrested as an accomplice, and this
is one of the reports that we covered, the guy
got out for a fifteen thousand dollars bond. Remember you
only have to pay twelve percent. That's just over fifteen
hundred dollars. Right, So you can say one thing, governor,
but the judges are doing something completely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and you said it right. At the
end of the day, it's up to the judge just
set that bond. I don't know what they're actually being
charged with, these accomplices. And if you know that fifteen
thousand dollars is about the max of what you can
charge someone, it may be in that position, which means
we needs different laws for people who are aiding into
betting fugitives really in a lot of cases, making it
possible for these guys to escape. Ten of them, folks,
wrap your mind around them.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say. So let's start.
We keep almost teasing the viewership the listeners that this
is what all we're going to talk about. Let's start
with the basics. It's May sixteenth, ye and around eight
o'clock is when officials learn, hey, we're missing. They initially
set eleven in metes, right.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine making that call to the you know
the share No, yeah, me neither. And as soon as
that hit the wire there was maybe a It wasn't
long and between the time they discovered them missing and
the sheriff coming out and reporting it, so they were
on top of it pretty quick, which is important because
the public then could be on the lookout. Right, you
release pictures of these guys, these are who they are,
you need to look for them. So it wasn't something
where they could say, Okay, how can we spend this
so that it doesn't look so bad? Because the more
time you delay in letting the public and know those
guys are out, the more time they have to commit
another crime, and the more time they have to hide.
Speaker 3: And like you already said, these were some pretty armed
and dent. Well I don't know armed dangerous and for
all we know they may be armed mail. But these
are some dangerous men.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 3: And they weren't in, like you said, for stealing a dog. No,
you're in for murder.
Speaker 1: And that was another big problem. They were in a
lighter security wing, So you had some that one of
them was involved in it. Had a conviction for second
degree murder, which likely was a plea de deol down
to second degree. He was involved in a shooting in
the French quarter that killed somebody. That guy was on
the escaped and he was in a lighter wing of
the prison as far as security is.
Speaker 3: Concerned, and second degree is life behind bars.
Speaker 1: Right, And they definitely had some splaining to do on
why these guys were in medium and lighter security wings
of that prison and Jim Jail.
Speaker 3: A lot of that conversation hasn't even started yet because
the focus is still trying to figure out where these
last two inmates are.
Speaker 1: Derrick Groves who is one of the two inmates still missing.
He's twenty eight years old. He was convicted of second
degree murder. He is still on the loose now. He
has not been seen since the day of the escape,
has not been seen by the public. So wherever he's hiding,
he's in a good hiding spot if you will. No sightings.
Speaker 3: But the second guy is not the.
Speaker 1: Smartest Antoine Massy and yeah, he can't stay off social media.
This guy has actually almost become a meme a character,
if you will. Some people are placing bets as if
this was Las Vegas on who's gonna get caught first?
Is he gonna get away with this and never be
seen again? That The thing that is so intriguing about
Massy is that he is a guy that could not
blend in anywhere in the world. He has face tattoos.
If he was standing in front of you right now,
you would know right away that's Antoine Massey. The fact
that he is still on the loose is shocking enough
because of his identifying features. But one makes it really
wild is this is his third escape. Yeah, he's an
escape artist.
Speaker 3: He knew what he was doing. And I guess again,
some of these answers are gonna come out later. I
almost want to know who's the brains behind this, and
I wouldn't be surprised if it's him.
Speaker 1: It very well could be. And you know, he was
charged with domestic abuse and auto theft. That's what he
was in uh, that's what he was in Orleans Paris
jail for. He had not been convicted yet. But the
scary thing here is, assuming he is guilty of those charges,
there's someone out there that he domestically abused that, you know.
I yeah, I feel for him because until he's caught,
they're not gonna feel safe.
Speaker 3: No, And we you and I were talking about this beforehand,
that the latest pictures show him with the rockets in Houston. Yeah,
I think that's to throw people off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he would. You know, if you're
if you're an escape convict and you go to Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
you're not gonna wear Gallinburg, Tennessee T shirt. But the
police know that. I mean they're smart enough to know.
I don't think they're gonna say, oh, he's wearing a
Houston Rocket shirt. We know we're where because he was
in the whole garb, The shorts were Houston Rockets, the
cap was Houston Rockets. He's basically saying, come to Houston.
So if he's in the Houston, Wow, that's pretty for all.
Speaker 3: We don't trust the trust the system.
Speaker 1: For all.
Speaker 3: We know it's artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1: You know, you're right it couse that's the scary thing
with AI. Yes, that is the scary thing with AI. Now,
one thing that I can tell you about Massy in
particular is the reason it's such a bad idea to
place videos and pictures of yourself outside of just the
fact that you're doing it is if you take a picture,
there's a way to decipher where that picture was taken
just by looking at the picture, just by taking it
and loading it into program, and it'll say this was
taken at three h two pm at you know, in Batonarge, Louisiana.
Speaker 3: But then that's why I'm a lot of confused. Why
hasn't he been caught?
Speaker 1: You great question, and you look, if you would have
told me a month ago before this happened, that ten people,
not only ten people would escape, but two would still
be on the run, I would say there's no way.
And when you ask me why, I would say technology
is too good these days. You have license plate readers,
you have facial recognition readers. No one can get away
for this long.
Speaker 3: And then even backgrounds, Jim, I mean, look at all
the programs that are out there now the same thing. Yeah,
that background, for all we know is artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: That may not even be him talking, No, it maybe
he uploaded a photo, but it goes right back to it.
We have all these Internet Crimes Task Force, the Attorney
General's got multiple task force, and you would be able
to see where he accessed a phone or a computer
unless he's at Billy Bob Joe's house and he's using
Billy Bob Joe's cell phone. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. And you know, they had a
sighting of him that someone had called him from Natchez, Mississippi. However,
they were never able to confirm it was him because
when they got there, they couldn't find him. So if
he was in that area, he was gone. They swept
that area and the Natchist police said he ain't here
anymore if he was, so that was the only sighting
of Massy that anyone had. But it really is something
that calls into question not only the budgeting concerns you
brought up, but also the employee concerns. I mean, how
did these counts get missed? This makes the national news
and everybody is on this thing, and what happens somebody
from tan Chapehoe Parish escapes jail.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a joke. I really did. When
I saw that press release coming unbelievable. In my head,
I'm thinking you're kidding me right now, Like, wait, what's happening.
So of course they come in waves of three. So
in my head, I'm thinking, Okay, where's the next escape
happening from?
Speaker 1: Yep, And it happened. Tangy had two escapes they really did.
Like what Yeah, and look the guy that escaped initially
from Tangy Parish jail. This guy had escaped before. As
a matter of fact, he escaped the year before from
the same prison. Yes, how does that happen?
Speaker 3: Well, and again I think it goes back to Jim
that so many of these systems are struggling when it
comes to getting that revenue. And I get that. We
as Louisi unions, I think, are sick and tired of
being taxed. And when I say that, I can say
the we number one I live here, but number two
covering it in our immediate area. Recently, any tax that
has gone on in ballot it is getting rejected left
and right. Yeah, yes, it does not matter what it
is for. People are sick and tired of being taxed.
And I think for so long Americans understood and said, Okay, fine, Breck,
you need money, we get it. Okay, school systems you
need money, fire departments, Okay, Now it's like ten percent.
I mean, eastpount Ridge Parish is one of the highest
taxed ten point five percent and it is straight up nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
And I know this because the East spount Ridge Parish prison,
it's deplorable, it is disgusting, and we constantly got complaints
about the AC is not working. And I get it
the inmates in there, and a lot of people might say,
are you serious right now? They do have rights. The
goal is not to kill them. You are innocent until
proven guilty. They still have to have lowpoo conditions in there,
and in the heat when Louisiana hits those summer months,
you've got to have air conditioning. So it's those basic
things that a sheriff can't even almost supply. And I
know it's temporary. The AC went out whatnot, But think
about it, if they had all this money, they wouldn't
keep putting band aid on this little bitty problem. You
would eventually say, hey, let's go ahead and put this
money aside. We're building a new parish prison. Right that's
the local East Baton Rooge prison, that Prision prison that
I can speak about because I know all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Personally, you've got to be right every time. If you're
a sheriff, an inmate has nothing to do all day
long but sit down and figure out how the heck
am I going to get out of here? You know,
that's all they've got to do. When you're a system,
my prison system, you have to make sure every day
that every cat is right. You've got to follow all
the rules. You got to make sure that your people
are not bringing in cell phones for inmates, bringing in drugs,
all the things that you hear about. Now, this is
not just a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. As
a matter of fact, Arkansas just caught Grant Harden, who
was a former chief of police and a murderer and
a rapist of the worst form in Arkansas. He escaped
for twelve days from a maximum security prison in Arkansas.
Just got caught about three days ago. And this guy
was only a mile away from the prison the whole time.
Now it's Arkansas, these it's very mountainous there, and he
had a lot of places to hide.
Speaker 3: Well, as a former police chief, you kind.
Speaker 1: Of he walked right out the front door. He made
himself a uniform and walked right out the front. Someone
opened the gate for him to let him out. I mean,
you can't make that stuff up. And it's funny, but
it's not. It's it's certainly not funny, but it's mind blowing.
The the planning that this guy made to get out.
And that's the whole point. That's all these guys got
to do twenty four hours a day is figure out
how to get out. Yep.
Speaker 3: And all it takes is like I was saying earlier
that the brainchild is one person coming to terms and saying, hey, guys,
we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this now. The
odd thing for me is why only ten How come
if it was happening, how come moronish one out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I'm sure they wanted out, but maybe some
of them in there give him a little credit for
maybe having some sense and saying I ain't doing that.
You know, they're gonna they're probably, like all of us,
thought they'd get caught by the next day. And now
you've got two years added to a sentence, which I
don't think stuff enough for escape incidentally, but that'll take
a lot of law changes. And I do want to
mention so Antoine Massey. We talked about the video he
posted and for people out there that don't realize in
this video he was imploring help from certain people. As
a matter of fact, Kim Kardashian. Yeah, the President of
the United States, Donald Trump, NB a young boy and
Meek Mill. He wanted you know, he's saying, he's claiming
this as you know, he's completely innocent and all those
sorts of things, and they need to help him. I
wouldn't if I was him. I wouldn't wait by my
phone for that call from from any of these people.
Speaker 3: The president had just pardoned and be a young boy, Yeah,
which I think the day before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been the day before.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that adds to it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it played a role. Yeah, I'm sure it
played a role.
Speaker 3: I just I still have a very tough time wrapping
my head around the whole video and pictures.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not what I would choose to do
if I was on the run. I mean, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do anything that could link me in anything.
I wouldn't want anybody with a cell phone around me
because you can try self zones. But yet on the
lease he still remains. And you know there's a whole
nother side to this outside of that that just the
past couple of days has come out speaking of budgets,
and that's the cost this is now costing to chase
these guys. Two hundred state policemen right now are specifically
employed to find them. They have taken them off everything
else and said you are on the hunt. Not only that,
you've got the ATF involved, you've got the FBI involved,
all these agencies working to catch these guys specifically. That
is not cheap. That's expensive. There's a lot of overtime
being paid. Who pays for that? We do? If you're
caught or when you're caught, you're obviously not going back
to the same jail you escape from. All of eight
of the ten that have been caught have all went
to and go, Yeah, that's not where they want to
you want to end.
Speaker 3: Up if yous on three sides.
Speaker 1: On one, they're sitting in in Gola. So you're right,
it is a black eye on the system and you've
basically bitten the bear now and the bear saying okay,
I'm gonna put you in in Gola where there is
no air conditioner. You're gonna be working a field, slinging
a you know, a hoe for the for the next
I don't know how many years you have.
Speaker 3: Murder was life? Yeah, if your second degree and you're
already convicted, you have life in prison, So adding two
more years, well, it's not really gonna do much for us,
That's that's right. But like you said, in Gola and
for our listeners who don't know this, and Jim would
be the best person to talk about this with his
other podcast, Bloody and Gola. That and Gola is on
three sides.
Speaker 1: Surrounded, yeah, rounded, natural.
Speaker 3: Barriers, snake infested waters.
Speaker 1: It's eighteen thousand acres and size and some of the
roughest train you'll find in Louisiana. You're not getting out
of Angola. You know, you can get out of the
wire as they call it. You may get out of
that razor wire and get beyond that gate, and there's
very few who have been able to do that. But
unless you have a vehicle, you're not hiking out of there.
The gators aget you of the wolves, a get you
of the bears, whatever. But it's a prison that is
a lot harsher than Orleans Parish jail. And so those guys,
even the ones that were only going for you know,
there were a few that were caught the next day.
Speaker 3: Up they're caught.
Speaker 1: They're caught, and now they're in Angola, and now they've
got two years added to their sentence. And you're with
the big boys. Now you're with the real prisoners.
Speaker 3: Now, between the cadaver dogs and those westfully Shiana, they
are used to it. They know they have a system
in place that when an escape happen, they know where
they're going, they know what they're doing. And between those
kodaver dogs, you're really not going to stay escaped very
very long.
Speaker 1: No you're not. And as of now, twenty five days
as of this recording, that these guys have been on
the run, Massy and growths, that's unbelievable. That is to me,
that is where is Massy and fifty thousand dollars now
each on their heads. Somebody has got to turn them in.
You can't tell me you've got that many little friends. Seriously,
I mean their ride or dies now, because for fifty
g's a lot of people would turn you in. Your
own family might turn you in for fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: Well, there are two more important things that I want
to touch on. Number One, I applaud the Orleans Parish
Sheriff for not hiding, not trying to put a put
lipstick on this specific pig. And in this case, Jim,
which the whole reason is that you can use the
media to your benefit law enforcement when you're out there
and you have something like this happen. And I get
it in today's day and age with social media, but
even on social media, law enforcement has the people that
follow their pages. The mainstream media is like the WWL,
the WDSUS. Now it's all national. Those were the local
New Orleans stations. They can get it out a lot
faster to a lot more people. Let me bring up
the other issue when it comes to I guess you
could almost call it a budget issue, but it's kind
of like appeeling back an onion, Jim that at the
end of the day, people are not wanting to do
law enforcement anymore. And this is a national problem, a big, big,
big time problem. From the state level to the federal level,
to the local levels, and trickle them down to the
small towns. They're all struggling to get people who want
to be police officers.
Speaker 1: That's right, and I think there's a lot of reasons
for that. The look the culture. When I grew up
in the eighties, if you were trick or treating on Halloween,
you were a police officer. If you you know, you
were a police officer or fireman. I can tell you
that as a as an adult who had kids who
trick or treated and all these sorts of things, when
I would pass out candy. In the last five six years,
very few police officers And that told me a lot.
The culture has changed there. There is no one on
the face of this earth more pro police than me,
no one. I have more respect for the good police
officers in this country, uh than anyone. Uh. The that
they take for complete strangers, I will never be able
to write my mind around. Uh, the haroism that it takes,
the bravery, all those sorts of things. They run, They
run to what everybody else runs away from. Andy, and
they don't hesitate. They don't get paid enough. The major problem.
Speaker 3: Putting your life on the line, putting.
Speaker 1: Your life on the line every day, and with social media,
they get crucified every time you turn around, Oh God forbid,
they pull someone over that uh you know the next thing,
you know, it's it's something completely different than take out
the fact the person was going one hundred miles an hour,
you know, and they had every right to pull them over. Uh,
they get crucified for those things. And there's good and
bad in every profession. And absolutely there's bad police officers
and don't need to be police.
Speaker 3: Always covered them left and rights.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But I would say the vast majority
are good, hard working people that are out there risking
their life every day so that you and I can
just go about our day and not feel like, you know,
we're not safe.
Speaker 3: You know, if you sit down and talk to the
former banton Ridge Police Chief, Pat Nglade, who was chief
during a very tortuous time for Baton Rouge during the
Derek Todd Lee serial killer days, yea, he will tell
you that. And then prior to him was great fairies
as the chief. But they will both tell you that
to get into the academy for Baton Roach PD, it
was so long that you would almost pray that you
make the list, you make the cutoff. But no, they
had an option to choose which officer was the best
of the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could pick and choose. Yes.
Speaker 3: Now, the latest b or PD academy that graduated, take
a guess how many people it was fifteen seven? Wow,
it started with more. Noah, you had some people who
just couldn't do it, their backgrounds didn't pass. You had
one or two that were like deuces, I'm out, I
can't do all this. Seven graduated. Well, when you only
have seven, Jim, at the end of the day, you've
got to put those seven to work. So now translate
this to Orleans Parish. It's the sheriff's office. It's the
same thing with the deputies there. They're struggling. The jail
is almost a spot where you put intro level absolutely
deputies or people deputies who have been disciplined for possible
wrongdoing go to the jail. So then you have people
like the maintenance person who was saying that he was
threatened and he's fearing for his life so he turned
off the water. Yeah, and I guess that was a
long version, which is why we have a podcast that
to peeling back the onion that it's not just a
simple answer as to what really went wrong here?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there is no there is no simple answer.
But I think as a you know, a society as
and especially locally as Louisianians here, Uh, we really need
to look into the issue of hiring police officers and
and getting good qualified candidates. You know, used to be
a lot of pride if you were a detective in
a police organization and you're out there and you're hunting
for truth. Right Uh. Now, the these people with the
brain power and capacity to do that are choosing to
be dentist or doctors, or or or a million other
professions because I feel like for far too long, not
only monetarily or at police officers not being compensated, but
also the culture has just become where it's almost you're
bad if you're a police officer, you're a bad person.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's I would have add to that that
I think there are men and women out there who
still say we'll do it. We love it. My dad
did it, my grandfather did it. It's in the family,
my uncle's everybody's police. This is all I want to do.
It's not even the money that's going to stop them.
What's going to stop them is, like you said, when
that chase happens, the suspects going one hundred miles an hour. Uh,
he crashes out. He gets out, he raises an AR
fifteen and tries to shoot a police officer. Officer returns fire,
kills him. Who's the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Well, the guy would that tried to shave the police officer?
Speaker 3: No, the officer is the officer killed a person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the mentality.
Speaker 3: Perception going on right now. Any human being, if you
have a gun in your hands and someone's shooting you,
what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I know it's it's a long conversation here, but hey,
that's what podcasting is.
Speaker 1: It's a worthwhile conversation.
Speaker 3: It is a worthwhilesation.
Speaker 1: It's you know, the podcasts are all about giving someone
the opportunity to think about that situation. And hopefully there's
some listeners to this that are seeing that side of things,
because there's a lot of things that it would be
tightened up, especially with our correctional system. Obviously, it's not
a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. It happens in
every state, maybe not to this amount. I mean, I
gotta say, you know, Tim might be the record, I
don't know, I know Loisiana that Yeah, in Louisiana as
far as anybody's been able to find. That is the
largest escape in the history of Louisiana prisons.
Speaker 3: That's worthy of a black guy, Jim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, it certainly is. And heads rolling in all
those sorts of things definitely is. And you know, like
I said, maybe all we can hope for is some
good to come out of this with. Maybe they'll shore
up that jail now and really look into the mistakes
and fix them. That's what we hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope these next two people, I say,
next to these other two people are caught soon. Because
don't laugh at me when I say this, But I
remember watching a documentary on Alcatraz and the three guys
who escaped, and and I cannot remember the name of
this documentary, but the way they pretty much brought to
life how these people got out and it was just
a few hours of a heads up. I'm sorry, it
was just a few hours where they were able to
escape and nobody realized it a few if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Angler brothers.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Eastwood, but that but that made but that
made the biggest difference. I want to say, it was
like three hours pay cash.
Speaker 1: You're not on a rock, you're surrounded by water either
like on Alcatraz, I mean you can get a long way. Yes, yeah,
it really is. And they're supposed to do those counts
like every hour. I mean, this is common practice in
just about every prison.
Speaker 3: Mistakes were made and that's why I'm saying that. I
think a lot more is going to come out here.
But the focus right now, I would assume, is we
need to get these other two back. That would be
the top focus. Of course, I'm sure they're already tightening
up inside that. Hey, you better make sure you're counting
on the hour. Has that come out to the media.
Has the sheriff made that very very clear to the media. No,
that's not her priority right this minute.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And look for all those guys
that are in in the jail now, and you know,
some of them are probably like, yeah, you go, you
got out of prison, You beat the system. They ain't
loving them right now because your life just got twenty
times harder than it was a month ago. Because now
everybody's eyes on you twenty four hours a day now,
and it is.
Speaker 3: Worthy of national news. Because of this point, we don't
know where they are, right they.
Speaker 1: Could be anywhere they could. They you know, they could
be all the way in California by now, they already
caught several in Texas, So I mean they were across
state lines, and once you break out of the state,
you've got a lot better chance of getting away with
it because the press just isn't even though it's a
national story, it's not covered as heavy in Arkansas as
it is in Louisiana.
Speaker 3: It's on the national news, it's not on the local
Fayetteville correct CBS station exactly that you can go sit
at a diner and you have no idea who the
person is next to you. I mean, you know who
lives in your small town. But I mean to say,
if there is a stranger you may not recognize. Hey, wait,
this is an escaped in meat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's the shocking thing to me about
Massy because if you see his picture one time, he
just stands out to you. Anywhere in the country, you're
gonna notice a guy with that many tats on his face,
that is it. It's going to stand out. And he's
been select so far.
Speaker 3: Wow, well, Jim, did we kind of cover everything?
Speaker 1: I think we did. I think we did.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, and if you
haven't already, guys, go listen. Jim is a podcast king
from Bloodying Gola to Local Leaders, which is a big
podcast that's done mainly locally to focus on some of
the local businesses and leaders. And then obviously the one
that's just taken off is exposed.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, give you the maybe a little bit of
the tea on some of these rich and famous in
our country.
Speaker 3: So go take a listen to those and to our listeners,
we thank you for joining us for this week's episode
of Louisiana Unfiltered and we will see you next week.