1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:17,519 Speaker 1: M h I walk straight line. 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:29,399 Speaker 2: Shackle change, Oh someome gird, it's calling my name. There 3 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:36,520 is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice as 4 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:42,039 the hill Stream game Rango the three. 5 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm here be by me to die. 6 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,719 Speaker 2: Inside these walls, inside the wild. 7 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: And went the girl as I'm hey everyone, and welcome 8 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,159 back to Bloody Angola Podcast one and forty two years 9 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,040 in the making, the complete story of America's Bloodiest present. 10 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,680 I'm Jim Chapman, and I got something a little bit 11 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,040 different for you today. Of course, we brought you several 12 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,040 episodes on the escapes out of New Orleans, where ten 13 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:56,719 individuals escaped from Orleans Parish jail, and I was honored 14 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:01,680 to go on a podcast with Kieran Challa. Her podcast 15 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,040 is called Louisiana Unfiltered, and we discussed up to the 16 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,319 second details on the two remaining escapees who have yet 17 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,080 to be caught. It was a really informative discussion with 18 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:19,520 myself and Kieran, who is an Emmy Award winning investigative 19 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,319 journalist here in South Louisiana. So here it is that 20 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:42,879 interview in full with Louisiana Unfiltered's Kieran Chala. 21 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: It's a story that originated right here in our backyard 22 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:53,360 and has now garnered national attention. A prison escape, but 23 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:59,360 it's not just one inmate. Instead, it's ten inmates, all 24 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,639 escaping at one time. Two of them remain on the run, 25 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:09,319 and I'll even say one of them is almost teasing 26 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,039 law enforcement by posting pictures and videos to social media. 27 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,759 How were ten people able to escape the parish prison 28 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,879 in Orleans Parish. We're going to delve into that. We're 29 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,280 also going to break down how they initially thought it 30 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:39,080 was eleven inmates who escaped. I'm Karen Challa and this 31 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:56,719 is Louisiana Unfiltered. Welcome back everyone. This week, we are 32 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:03,120 joined by my fellow podcaster and friend producer as well 33 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,840 of multiple podcasts. We're gonna say exposed for now, but 34 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:11,120 he's got several podcasts as well, Jim Chapman. Thank you 35 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,120 for joining us, Thank you for having me. 36 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk today. 37 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: Where do we start, Jim? I feel like we almost 38 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,920 need to start with how does this even happen? Ten 39 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:24,040 people at one time? 40 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question. And as much as you and 41 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:30,680 I would love the answer to that question, it seems 42 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,839 like the entire country wants the answer to that question. 43 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,000 As you said in your intro, this has become national news, 44 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:42,160 especially considering they have not all been caught yet. 45 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, Jim, I'll even tell you a personal story. Obviously, 46 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:49,360 we're bent roots based, and in the beginning when all 47 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:53,279 this happened, we did not cover it. It's New Orleans. Uh. 48 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:56,959 But the day that they discovered it happened, NewsNation texted 49 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,079 and said are you covering this? 50 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 51 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: Like it made national news immediately. There was no let's 52 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,839 wait till the following week. This same day, obviously, we're 53 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,839 talking about it now because what it's been three weeks 54 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,279 and you still have inmates who are on the run. 55 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: Still on the run. And you know, when this first 56 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,160 hit the news, it was not just the Orleans pairis 57 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:25,560 sheriff coming out and holding a press conference. The governor 58 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,560 came out, Yes, the Attorney General, Liz Muriel came out 59 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,560 with a press conference. This was a big deal. These 60 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,600 were not people that were arrested for jaywalking busting out 61 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:44,800 of city jail. This was people for murder, suspicion of murder, rape. 62 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,519 There was a lot of accusations involved, and as you 63 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,519 mentioned in the intro. Initially they weren't even sure how 64 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,720 many got out. 65 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: That just baffles me. How do you not know? And 66 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,480 I understand we're going to break all this down, gen, 67 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,680 but I understand that in today's day and age, a 68 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:07,240 lot of parish prisons and obviously we're parishes here in Louisiana, 69 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:11,639 but county jails and prisons across the country. They're all 70 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,759 struggling with a lack of money to update the prisons. 71 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,240 And when I say update, I don't mean just have 72 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,800 enough for the capacity. I mean for the infrastructure to 73 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:25,959 be improved. Yes, I feel like that's half the problem. 74 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 But staffing wise, how do you miscount? 75 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,399 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and there was a lot that went wrong 76 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:39,240 here that we're discovering in your absolutely correct budget. Concerns 77 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:42,639 are a concern. The last thing any says that wants 78 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,399 to pay for is prisons. Last thing they want to 79 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:49,279 pay for because you're housing, you're paying tax dollars for 80 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:52,680 someone that broke the law and they get thrown in prison, 81 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,680 they're convicted of awful crimes, and you don't want to 82 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,120 have to pay for that. Nope, something that you have 83 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:01,879 to do as a society is keep up your presence, 84 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,720 because things like this can happen. So initially when this happened, 85 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:09,319 it made all the news and it was eleven people 86 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:14,079 that escaped. Then they discovered that one person was actually 87 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,000 moved to another part of the prison and did not escape. 88 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:20,759 Speaker 3: It's embarrassing, it really is. We all know the history 89 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:24,040 of an OPD and that I personally feel. And again 90 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,920 this is completely Kier and Charl's opinion, not a fact 91 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,720 that the reason the governor got involved, the reason the 92 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,480 attorney general got involved is because how do we put 93 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:35,720 makeup on this black guy? 94 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:36,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? 95 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have to hurry up and get a 96 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,199 hold of it. 97 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: A quick catch up on exactly how this happened. Initially, 98 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,800 these these convicts escaped jail. They went through a hole 99 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:55,079 in a They actually pulled the back of a toilet off, 100 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,519 made a hole went through that. Whenever a gate, they 101 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,759 were able to get out of their cells because the 102 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,399 locks they were so antiquated, they were able to bust 103 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,160 the locks in one way or another. Now, they did 104 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,879 have some help on the inside. They arrested an individual 105 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:16,040 allegedly who helped them, and this individual was supposedly threatened 106 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,560 they were going to shank him if he did not 107 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,879 turn the water off. He was not a correctional officer. 108 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 He was a guy that worked maintenance at the prison, 109 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,879 and he turned the water off and that enabled them 110 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,399 to make their escape. This was planned. This was not 111 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,399 something on the spart of a moment in the video. 112 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:37,080 When you watch the video, you see these guys just 113 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,759 tugging on these gates and busting locks, and yeah, that's 114 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,399 a budget problem. But the other problem was, as you 115 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,759 just mentioned the count, they were on the loose for 116 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,080 like hours before they even realized it. 117 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: And that's a long time. 118 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: That's a major issue. Yeah, that's a long time. You 119 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,120 can get a long way with hours, Yeah, which is 120 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,039 what they were discovering. A lot of these have made 121 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:04,480 it a long way. A few of them they were 122 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,360 able to catch. You know, a couple of them were 123 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,720 strolling right there in French Quarter, rolling down Bourbon Street, 124 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:17,159 and facial recognition, thankfully in New Orleans recognizing these guys 125 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,159 and caught them essentially. 126 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: I know one was caught in Houston. Yeah, two two 127 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:27,600 were caught in Houston. And I laughed because I've got 128 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,759 friends out in that direction, and I think we're going 129 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:33,840 to talk about this one of the escaped inmates who's 130 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:38,440 still out there and is posting videos and pictures. The 131 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,440 joke is, okay, Houston PD, get your stuff together, they're 132 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,159 one of the best in the country. That let's figure 133 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:49,080 out where they are. And they jokingly said, we already 134 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,799 caught two for them. How many more you want us 135 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,600 to catching? That's why I chuckled, Yeah it is. 136 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,879 Speaker 1: And they actually went on a pretty major car chase 137 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:02,559 to catch those guys, and what they were finding out 138 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,440 and discovering at the beginning was there was a lot 139 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,600 of help on the outside. The Governor, Jeff Landry came 140 00:10:08,639 --> 00:10:11,960 out and did his press conference. Of course, the police 141 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,799 knew these these guys are likely going to have some help. 142 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,840 They're gonna call friends, family, and he said, if you're caught, 143 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:21,919 we're not holding back. We're going to charge you to 144 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,440 the furthest extent of the law for helping these guys, 145 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:29,879 which I found very interesting in luck rewards right now, 146 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,200 fifty thousand dollars for the final two information leading to 147 00:10:34,279 --> 00:10:36,799 their arrest. It's a lot a lot of people will 148 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:38,679 look at you and say you're my boy, But for 149 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,840 fifty g's I'm calling the police. 150 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you've got the governor saying this, yeah, but 151 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,519 then when they're getting arrested as an accomplice, and this 152 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,480 is one of the reports that we covered, the guy 153 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:55,200 got out for a fifteen thousand dollars bond. Remember you 154 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,480 only have to pay twelve percent. That's just over fifteen 155 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,879 hundred dollars. Right, So you can say one thing, governor, 156 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:06,159 but the judges are doing something completely different. 157 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and you said it right. At the 158 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,000 end of the day, it's up to the judge just 159 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:14,960 set that bond. I don't know what they're actually being 160 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,000 charged with, these accomplices. And if you know that fifteen 161 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,320 thousand dollars is about the max of what you can 162 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,919 charge someone, it may be in that position, which means 163 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:28,279 we needs different laws for people who are aiding into 164 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,720 betting fugitives really in a lot of cases, making it 165 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:36,039 possible for these guys to escape. Ten of them, folks, 166 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:37,320 wrap your mind around them. 167 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say. So let's start. 168 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,639 We keep almost teasing the viewership the listeners that this 169 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,840 is what all we're going to talk about. Let's start 170 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:48,720 with the basics. It's May sixteenth, ye and around eight 171 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:54,000 o'clock is when officials learn, hey, we're missing. They initially 172 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:55,399 set eleven in metes, right. 173 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:59,519 Speaker 1: Could you imagine making that call to the you know 174 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,519 the share No, yeah, me neither. And as soon as 175 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,240 that hit the wire there was maybe a It wasn't 176 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:09,879 long and between the time they discovered them missing and 177 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,559 the sheriff coming out and reporting it, so they were 178 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,679 on top of it pretty quick, which is important because 179 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,320 the public then could be on the lookout. Right, you 180 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,000 release pictures of these guys, these are who they are, 181 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,240 you need to look for them. So it wasn't something 182 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,360 where they could say, Okay, how can we spend this 183 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,679 so that it doesn't look so bad? Because the more 184 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,120 time you delay in letting the public and know those 185 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,480 guys are out, the more time they have to commit 186 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:39,120 another crime, and the more time they have to hide. 187 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,279 Speaker 3: And like you already said, these were some pretty armed 188 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,879 and dent. Well I don't know armed dangerous and for 189 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,919 all we know they may be armed mail. But these 190 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,639 are some dangerous men. 191 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,279 Speaker 1: All of them. 192 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: And they weren't in, like you said, for stealing a dog. No, 193 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,840 you're in for murder. 194 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:00,759 Speaker 1: And that was another big problem. They were in a 195 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:07,080 lighter security wing, So you had some that one of 196 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,840 them was involved in it. Had a conviction for second 197 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:14,840 degree murder, which likely was a plea de deol down 198 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,200 to second degree. He was involved in a shooting in 199 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,039 the French quarter that killed somebody. That guy was on 200 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,639 the escaped and he was in a lighter wing of 201 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,240 the prison as far as security is. 202 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: Concerned, and second degree is life behind bars. 203 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Right, And they definitely had some splaining to do on 204 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,279 why these guys were in medium and lighter security wings 205 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:40,519 of that prison and Jim Jail. 206 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: A lot of that conversation hasn't even started yet because 207 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,720 the focus is still trying to figure out where these 208 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:47,919 last two inmates are. 209 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: Derrick Groves who is one of the two inmates still missing. 210 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,240 He's twenty eight years old. He was convicted of second 211 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 degree murder. He is still on the loose now. He 212 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,000 has not been seen since the day of the escape, 213 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,519 has not been seen by the public. So wherever he's hiding, 214 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:11,080 he's in a good hiding spot if you will. No sightings. 215 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: But the second guy is not the. 216 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Smartest Antoine Massy and yeah, he can't stay off social media. 217 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,720 This guy has actually almost become a meme a character, 218 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,159 if you will. Some people are placing bets as if 219 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,600 this was Las Vegas on who's gonna get caught first? 220 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Is he gonna get away with this and never be 221 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,440 seen again? That The thing that is so intriguing about 222 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,360 Massy is that he is a guy that could not 223 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,039 blend in anywhere in the world. He has face tattoos. 224 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,519 If he was standing in front of you right now, 225 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:50,759 you would know right away that's Antoine Massey. The fact 226 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,919 that he is still on the loose is shocking enough 227 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:57,799 because of his identifying features. But one makes it really 228 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:02,200 wild is this is his third escape. Yeah, he's an 229 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:03,440 escape artist. 230 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:06,399 Speaker 3: He knew what he was doing. And I guess again, 231 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,320 some of these answers are gonna come out later. I 232 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:11,080 almost want to know who's the brains behind this, and 233 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,600 I wouldn't be surprised if it's him. 234 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,559 Speaker 1: It very well could be. And you know, he was 235 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:19,440 charged with domestic abuse and auto theft. That's what he 236 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:22,919 was in uh, that's what he was in Orleans Paris 237 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,840 jail for. He had not been convicted yet. But the 238 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:30,720 scary thing here is, assuming he is guilty of those charges, 239 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,480 there's someone out there that he domestically abused that, you know. 240 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,399 I yeah, I feel for him because until he's caught, 241 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,559 they're not gonna feel safe. 242 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: No, And we you and I were talking about this beforehand, 243 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:49,320 that the latest pictures show him with the rockets in Houston. Yeah, 244 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:51,440 I think that's to throw people off. 245 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he would. You know, if you're 246 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,360 if you're an escape convict and you go to Gatlinburg, Tennessee, 247 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:03,759 you're not gonna wear Gallinburg, Tennessee T shirt. But the 248 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:05,759 police know that. I mean they're smart enough to know. 249 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,960 I don't think they're gonna say, oh, he's wearing a 250 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Houston Rocket shirt. We know we're where because he was 251 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,559 in the whole garb, The shorts were Houston Rockets, the 252 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,240 cap was Houston Rockets. He's basically saying, come to Houston. 253 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,440 So if he's in the Houston, Wow, that's pretty for all. 254 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,559 Speaker 3: We don't trust the trust the system. 255 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,399 Speaker 1: For all. 256 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,039 Speaker 3: We know it's artificial intelligence. 257 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: You know, you're right it couse that's the scary thing 258 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:35,039 with AI. Yes, that is the scary thing with AI. Now, 259 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:39,080 one thing that I can tell you about Massy in 260 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:43,399 particular is the reason it's such a bad idea to 261 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:47,039 place videos and pictures of yourself outside of just the 262 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,000 fact that you're doing it is if you take a picture, 263 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,639 there's a way to decipher where that picture was taken 264 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:57,720 just by looking at the picture, just by taking it 265 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,480 and loading it into program, and it'll say this was 266 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,200 taken at three h two pm at you know, in Batonarge, Louisiana. 267 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: But then that's why I'm a lot of confused. Why 268 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,279 hasn't he been caught? 269 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: You great question, and you look, if you would have 270 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,680 told me a month ago before this happened, that ten people, 271 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:21,200 not only ten people would escape, but two would still 272 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,960 be on the run, I would say there's no way. 273 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,240 And when you ask me why, I would say technology 274 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,440 is too good these days. You have license plate readers, 275 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:32,160 you have facial recognition readers. No one can get away 276 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:32,880 for this long. 277 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: And then even backgrounds, Jim, I mean, look at all 278 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,559 the programs that are out there now the same thing. Yeah, 279 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 that background, for all we know is artificial intelligence. 280 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah he is. 281 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,519 Speaker 3: That may not even be him talking, No, it maybe 282 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,039 he uploaded a photo, but it goes right back to it. 283 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,279 We have all these Internet Crimes Task Force, the Attorney 284 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,759 General's got multiple task force, and you would be able 285 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:04,039 to see where he accessed a phone or a computer 286 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,759 unless he's at Billy Bob Joe's house and he's using 287 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,480 Billy Bob Joe's cell phone. I don't know. 288 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm the same way. And you know, they had a 289 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,440 sighting of him that someone had called him from Natchez, Mississippi. However, 290 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,400 they were never able to confirm it was him because 291 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,119 when they got there, they couldn't find him. So if 292 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,920 he was in that area, he was gone. They swept 293 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,880 that area and the Natchist police said he ain't here 294 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,119 anymore if he was, so that was the only sighting 295 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,559 of Massy that anyone had. But it really is something 296 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,799 that calls into question not only the budgeting concerns you 297 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:49,839 brought up, but also the employee concerns. I mean, how 298 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,880 did these counts get missed? This makes the national news 299 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,519 and everybody is on this thing, and what happens somebody 300 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,960 from tan Chapehoe Parish escapes jail. 301 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:02,759 Speaker 3: I thought that was a joke. I really did. When 302 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,480 I saw that press release coming unbelievable. In my head, 303 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,319 I'm thinking you're kidding me right now, Like, wait, what's happening. 304 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,160 So of course they come in waves of three. So 305 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,039 in my head, I'm thinking, Okay, where's the next escape 306 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:14,720 happening from? 307 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,839 Speaker 1: Yep, And it happened. Tangy had two escapes they really did. 308 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:25,880 Like what Yeah, and look the guy that escaped initially 309 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,720 from Tangy Parish jail. This guy had escaped before. As 310 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,079 a matter of fact, he escaped the year before from 311 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:36,119 the same prison. Yes, how does that happen? 312 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: Well, and again I think it goes back to Jim 313 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:45,000 that so many of these systems are struggling when it 314 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:50,319 comes to getting that revenue. And I get that. We 315 00:19:50,599 --> 00:19:53,799 as Louisi unions, I think, are sick and tired of 316 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,640 being taxed. And when I say that, I can say 317 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,839 the we number one I live here, but number two 318 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,079 covering it in our immediate area. Recently, any tax that 319 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,519 has gone on in ballot it is getting rejected left 320 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:12,079 and right. Yeah, yes, it does not matter what it 321 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,839 is for. People are sick and tired of being taxed. 322 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:20,480 And I think for so long Americans understood and said, Okay, fine, Breck, 323 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,400 you need money, we get it. Okay, school systems you 324 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,480 need money, fire departments, Okay, Now it's like ten percent. 325 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,400 I mean, eastpount Ridge Parish is one of the highest 326 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:38,039 taxed ten point five percent and it is straight up nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. 327 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,920 And I know this because the East spount Ridge Parish prison, 328 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,279 it's deplorable, it is disgusting, and we constantly got complaints 329 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,559 about the AC is not working. And I get it 330 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:51,480 the inmates in there, and a lot of people might say, 331 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:54,400 are you serious right now? They do have rights. The 332 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,319 goal is not to kill them. You are innocent until 333 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,519 proven guilty. They still have to have lowpoo conditions in there, 334 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,720 and in the heat when Louisiana hits those summer months, 335 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,079 you've got to have air conditioning. So it's those basic 336 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,799 things that a sheriff can't even almost supply. And I 337 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:18,440 know it's temporary. The AC went out whatnot, But think 338 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,079 about it, if they had all this money, they wouldn't 339 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,960 keep putting band aid on this little bitty problem. You 340 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,480 would eventually say, hey, let's go ahead and put this 341 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:31,799 money aside. We're building a new parish prison. Right that's 342 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,119 the local East Baton Rooge prison, that Prision prison that 343 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,559 I can speak about because I know all that stuff. 344 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,279 Speaker 1: Personally, you've got to be right every time. If you're 345 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,799 a sheriff, an inmate has nothing to do all day 346 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:44,960 long but sit down and figure out how the heck 347 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,160 am I going to get out of here? You know, 348 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,680 that's all they've got to do. When you're a system, 349 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,720 my prison system, you have to make sure every day 350 00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:59,279 that every cat is right. You've got to follow all 351 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,400 the rules. You got to make sure that your people 352 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:05,519 are not bringing in cell phones for inmates, bringing in drugs, 353 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,680 all the things that you hear about. Now, this is 354 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,920 not just a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. As 355 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,880 a matter of fact, Arkansas just caught Grant Harden, who 356 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,839 was a former chief of police and a murderer and 357 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,519 a rapist of the worst form in Arkansas. He escaped 358 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,119 for twelve days from a maximum security prison in Arkansas. 359 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,440 Just got caught about three days ago. And this guy 360 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,200 was only a mile away from the prison the whole time. 361 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Now it's Arkansas, these it's very mountainous there, and he 362 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,720 had a lot of places to hide. 363 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,319 Speaker 3: Well, as a former police chief, you kind. 364 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: Of he walked right out the front door. He made 365 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:53,160 himself a uniform and walked right out the front. Someone 366 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,880 opened the gate for him to let him out. I mean, 367 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 you can't make that stuff up. And it's funny, but 368 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:02,480 it's not. It's it's certainly not funny, but it's mind blowing. 369 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:06,000 The the planning that this guy made to get out. 370 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,920 And that's the whole point. That's all these guys got 371 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,880 to do twenty four hours a day is figure out 372 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,839 how to get out. Yep. 373 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,079 Speaker 3: And all it takes is like I was saying earlier 374 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,240 that the brainchild is one person coming to terms and saying, hey, guys, 375 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,160 we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this now. The 376 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,000 odd thing for me is why only ten How come 377 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920 if it was happening, how come moronish one out? 378 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I'm sure they wanted out, but maybe some 379 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,519 of them in there give him a little credit for 380 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:36,000 maybe having some sense and saying I ain't doing that. 381 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,640 You know, they're gonna they're probably, like all of us, 382 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,920 thought they'd get caught by the next day. And now 383 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,640 you've got two years added to a sentence, which I 384 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,160 don't think stuff enough for escape incidentally, but that'll take 385 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,200 a lot of law changes. And I do want to 386 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,720 mention so Antoine Massey. We talked about the video he 387 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,160 posted and for people out there that don't realize in 388 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,160 this video he was imploring help from certain people. As 389 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,400 a matter of fact, Kim Kardashian. Yeah, the President of 390 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,720 the United States, Donald Trump, NB a young boy and 391 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,640 Meek Mill. He wanted you know, he's saying, he's claiming 392 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,799 this as you know, he's completely innocent and all those 393 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,960 sorts of things, and they need to help him. I 394 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,599 wouldn't if I was him. I wouldn't wait by my 395 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,799 phone for that call from from any of these people. 396 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 3: The president had just pardoned and be a young boy, Yeah, 397 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:32,680 which I think the day before. 398 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been the day before. 399 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: So I don't know if that adds to it. 400 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure it played a role. Yeah, I'm sure it 401 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:40,400 played a role. 402 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: I just I still have a very tough time wrapping 403 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,119 my head around the whole video and pictures. 404 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not what I would choose to do 405 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,640 if I was on the run. I mean, I wouldn't. 406 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200 I wouldn't do anything that could link me in anything. 407 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,240 I wouldn't want anybody with a cell phone around me 408 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:03,319 because you can try self zones. But yet on the 409 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,839 lease he still remains. And you know there's a whole 410 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,599 nother side to this outside of that that just the 411 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,359 past couple of days has come out speaking of budgets, 412 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,119 and that's the cost this is now costing to chase 413 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,119 these guys. Two hundred state policemen right now are specifically 414 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,839 employed to find them. They have taken them off everything 415 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 else and said you are on the hunt. Not only that, 416 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720 you've got the ATF involved, you've got the FBI involved, 417 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:39,039 all these agencies working to catch these guys specifically. That 418 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,359 is not cheap. That's expensive. There's a lot of overtime 419 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,720 being paid. Who pays for that? We do? If you're 420 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,680 caught or when you're caught, you're obviously not going back 421 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,839 to the same jail you escape from. All of eight 422 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,319 of the ten that have been caught have all went 423 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:02,839 to and go, Yeah, that's not where they want to 424 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,920 you want to end. 425 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: Up if yous on three sides. 426 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: On one, they're sitting in in Gola. So you're right, 427 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,680 it is a black eye on the system and you've 428 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,000 basically bitten the bear now and the bear saying okay, 429 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,759 I'm gonna put you in in Gola where there is 430 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,400 no air conditioner. You're gonna be working a field, slinging 431 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,160 a you know, a hoe for the for the next 432 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,119 I don't know how many years you have. 433 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: Murder was life? Yeah, if your second degree and you're 434 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,319 already convicted, you have life in prison, So adding two 435 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,200 more years, well, it's not really gonna do much for us, 436 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,359 That's that's right. But like you said, in Gola and 437 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,799 for our listeners who don't know this, and Jim would 438 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,880 be the best person to talk about this with his 439 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,680 other podcast, Bloody and Gola. That and Gola is on 440 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:55,559 three sides. 441 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: Surrounded, yeah, rounded, natural. 442 00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:02,559 Speaker 3: Barriers, snake infested waters. 443 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:08,319 Speaker 1: It's eighteen thousand acres and size and some of the 444 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,559 roughest train you'll find in Louisiana. You're not getting out 445 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,000 of Angola. You know, you can get out of the 446 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,319 wire as they call it. You may get out of 447 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,880 that razor wire and get beyond that gate, and there's 448 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,240 very few who have been able to do that. But 449 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,880 unless you have a vehicle, you're not hiking out of there. 450 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,799 The gators aget you of the wolves, a get you 451 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,480 of the bears, whatever. But it's a prison that is 452 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:38,039 a lot harsher than Orleans Parish jail. And so those guys, 453 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,400 even the ones that were only going for you know, 454 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,240 there were a few that were caught the next day. 455 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,839 Speaker 3: Up they're caught. 456 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: They're caught, and now they're in Angola, and now they've 457 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,000 got two years added to their sentence. And you're with 458 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,200 the big boys. Now you're with the real prisoners. 459 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 3: Now, between the cadaver dogs and those westfully Shiana, they 460 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,480 are used to it. They know they have a system 461 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,759 in place that when an escape happen, they know where 462 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,559 they're going, they know what they're doing. And between those 463 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,640 kodaver dogs, you're really not going to stay escaped very 464 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,119 very long. 465 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,319 Speaker 1: No you're not. And as of now, twenty five days 466 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,799 as of this recording, that these guys have been on 467 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:25,039 the run, Massy and growths, that's unbelievable. That is to me, 468 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,440 that is where is Massy and fifty thousand dollars now 469 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,440 each on their heads. Somebody has got to turn them in. 470 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,960 You can't tell me you've got that many little friends. Seriously, 471 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,359 I mean their ride or dies now, because for fifty 472 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400 g's a lot of people would turn you in. Your 473 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,240 own family might turn you in for fifty thousand. 474 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,359 Speaker 3: Well, there are two more important things that I want 475 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,240 to touch on. Number One, I applaud the Orleans Parish 476 00:28:52,240 --> 00:29:00,359 Sheriff for not hiding, not trying to put a put 477 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:05,720 lipstick on this specific pig. And in this case, Jim, 478 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,880 which the whole reason is that you can use the 479 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,359 media to your benefit law enforcement when you're out there 480 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,839 and you have something like this happen. And I get 481 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,119 it in today's day and age with social media, but 482 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,799 even on social media, law enforcement has the people that 483 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,920 follow their pages. The mainstream media is like the WWL, 484 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,720 the WDSUS. Now it's all national. Those were the local 485 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,519 New Orleans stations. They can get it out a lot 486 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,160 faster to a lot more people. Let me bring up 487 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,200 the other issue when it comes to I guess you 488 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,359 could almost call it a budget issue, but it's kind 489 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,960 of like appeeling back an onion, Jim that at the 490 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,680 end of the day, people are not wanting to do 491 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:55,440 law enforcement anymore. And this is a national problem, a big, big, 492 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,359 big time problem. From the state level to the federal level, 493 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240 to the local levels, and trickle them down to the 494 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:08,160 small towns. They're all struggling to get people who want 495 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,720 to be police officers. 496 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,599 Speaker 1: That's right, and I think there's a lot of reasons 497 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,240 for that. The look the culture. When I grew up 498 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,039 in the eighties, if you were trick or treating on Halloween, 499 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,079 you were a police officer. If you you know, you 500 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:28,960 were a police officer or fireman. I can tell you 501 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,480 that as a as an adult who had kids who 502 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,480 trick or treated and all these sorts of things, when 503 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,400 I would pass out candy. In the last five six years, 504 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,039 very few police officers And that told me a lot. 505 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,720 The culture has changed there. There is no one on 506 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,319 the face of this earth more pro police than me, 507 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,079 no one. I have more respect for the good police 508 00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,319 officers in this country, uh than anyone. Uh. The that 509 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,759 they take for complete strangers, I will never be able 510 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,960 to write my mind around. Uh, the haroism that it takes, 511 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,519 the bravery, all those sorts of things. They run, They 512 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,559 run to what everybody else runs away from. Andy, and 513 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,440 they don't hesitate. They don't get paid enough. The major problem. 514 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: Putting your life on the line, putting. 515 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Your life on the line every day, and with social media, 516 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,640 they get crucified every time you turn around, Oh God forbid, 517 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,559 they pull someone over that uh you know the next thing, 518 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,640 you know, it's it's something completely different than take out 519 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720 the fact the person was going one hundred miles an hour, 520 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,720 you know, and they had every right to pull them over. Uh, 521 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,920 they get crucified for those things. And there's good and 522 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,680 bad in every profession. And absolutely there's bad police officers 523 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,240 and don't need to be police. 524 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: Always covered them left and rights. 525 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But I would say the vast majority 526 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,960 are good, hard working people that are out there risking 527 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,559 their life every day so that you and I can 528 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,799 just go about our day and not feel like, you know, 529 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000 we're not safe. 530 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: You know, if you sit down and talk to the 531 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,960 former banton Ridge Police Chief, Pat Nglade, who was chief 532 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:19,559 during a very tortuous time for Baton Rouge during the 533 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,839 Derek Todd Lee serial killer days, yea, he will tell 534 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,799 you that. And then prior to him was great fairies 535 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,240 as the chief. But they will both tell you that 536 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920 to get into the academy for Baton Roach PD, it 537 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,279 was so long that you would almost pray that you 538 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,480 make the list, you make the cutoff. But no, they 539 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:48,400 had an option to choose which officer was the best 540 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,160 of the best. 541 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they could pick and choose. Yes. 542 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: Now, the latest b or PD academy that graduated, take 543 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,680 a guess how many people it was fifteen seven? Wow, 544 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,759 it started with more. Noah, you had some people who 545 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,160 just couldn't do it, their backgrounds didn't pass. You had 546 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,960 one or two that were like deuces, I'm out, I 547 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,519 can't do all this. Seven graduated. Well, when you only 548 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,880 have seven, Jim, at the end of the day, you've 549 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,440 got to put those seven to work. So now translate 550 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,720 this to Orleans Parish. It's the sheriff's office. It's the 551 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,640 same thing with the deputies there. They're struggling. The jail 552 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,359 is almost a spot where you put intro level absolutely 553 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,519 deputies or people deputies who have been disciplined for possible 554 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,720 wrongdoing go to the jail. So then you have people 555 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,799 like the maintenance person who was saying that he was 556 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,960 threatened and he's fearing for his life so he turned 557 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,039 off the water. Yeah, and I guess that was a 558 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,039 long version, which is why we have a podcast that 559 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,319 to peeling back the onion that it's not just a 560 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000 simple answer as to what really went wrong here? 561 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there is no there is no simple answer. 562 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,679 But I think as a you know, a society as 563 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,360 and especially locally as Louisianians here, Uh, we really need 564 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,679 to look into the issue of hiring police officers and 565 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:25,559 and getting good qualified candidates. You know, used to be 566 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,440 a lot of pride if you were a detective in 567 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,760 a police organization and you're out there and you're hunting 568 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,239 for truth. Right Uh. Now, the these people with the 569 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,079 brain power and capacity to do that are choosing to 570 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:41,559 be dentist or doctors, or or or a million other 571 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:46,400 professions because I feel like for far too long, not 572 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,920 only monetarily or at police officers not being compensated, but 573 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,719 also the culture has just become where it's almost you're 574 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,519 bad if you're a police officer, you're a bad person. 575 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: Well, and it's I would have add to that that 576 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,199 I think there are men and women out there who 577 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,840 still say we'll do it. We love it. My dad 578 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,599 did it, my grandfather did it. It's in the family, 579 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,679 my uncle's everybody's police. This is all I want to do. 580 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,760 It's not even the money that's going to stop them. 581 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,519 What's going to stop them is, like you said, when 582 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,000 that chase happens, the suspects going one hundred miles an hour. Uh, 583 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,639 he crashes out. He gets out, he raises an AR 584 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,800 fifteen and tries to shoot a police officer. Officer returns fire, 585 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,639 kills him. Who's the bad guy. 586 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, the guy would that tried to shave the police officer? 587 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 3: No, the officer is the officer killed a person. 588 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the mentality. 589 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 3: Perception going on right now. Any human being, if you 590 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,559 have a gun in your hands and someone's shooting you, 591 00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:48,880 what are you going to do? 592 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 593 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,119 Speaker 3: So I know it's it's a long conversation here, but hey, 594 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:56,239 that's what podcasting is. 595 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: It's a worthwhile conversation. 596 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,159 Speaker 3: It is a worthwhilesation. 597 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,519 Speaker 1: It's you know, the podcasts are all about giving someone 598 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,880 the opportunity to think about that situation. And hopefully there's 599 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880 some listeners to this that are seeing that side of things, 600 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,159 because there's a lot of things that it would be 601 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:20,079 tightened up, especially with our correctional system. Obviously, it's not 602 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,719 a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. It happens in 603 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,760 every state, maybe not to this amount. I mean, I 604 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,079 gotta say, you know, Tim might be the record, I 605 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,679 don't know, I know Loisiana that Yeah, in Louisiana as 606 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,960 far as anybody's been able to find. That is the 607 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,679 largest escape in the history of Louisiana prisons. 608 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,119 Speaker 3: That's worthy of a black guy, Jim. 609 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, it certainly is. And heads rolling in all 610 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,280 those sorts of things definitely is. And you know, like 611 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,000 I said, maybe all we can hope for is some 612 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,400 good to come out of this with. Maybe they'll shore 613 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,360 up that jail now and really look into the mistakes 614 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,440 and fix them. That's what we hope. 615 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope these next two people, I say, 616 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,880 next to these other two people are caught soon. Because 617 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,480 don't laugh at me when I say this, But I 618 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,480 remember watching a documentary on Alcatraz and the three guys 619 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,079 who escaped, and and I cannot remember the name of 620 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:25,800 this documentary, but the way they pretty much brought to 621 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,199 life how these people got out and it was just 622 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,760 a few hours of a heads up. I'm sorry, it 623 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,079 was just a few hours where they were able to 624 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:40,320 escape and nobody realized it a few if I remember correctly. 625 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Angler brothers. 626 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 3: Yes, and Eastwood, but that but that made but that 627 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,280 made the biggest difference. I want to say, it was 628 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,199 like three hours pay cash. 629 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: You're not on a rock, you're surrounded by water either 630 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:01,760 like on Alcatraz, I mean you can get a long way. Yes, yeah, 631 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,599 it really is. And they're supposed to do those counts 632 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,400 like every hour. I mean, this is common practice in 633 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:09,719 just about every prison. 634 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: Mistakes were made and that's why I'm saying that. I 635 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,039 think a lot more is going to come out here. 636 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:18,440 But the focus right now, I would assume, is we 637 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,800 need to get these other two back. That would be 638 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,440 the top focus. Of course, I'm sure they're already tightening 639 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,760 up inside that. Hey, you better make sure you're counting 640 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,039 on the hour. Has that come out to the media. 641 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,639 Has the sheriff made that very very clear to the media. No, 642 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,800 that's not her priority right this minute. 643 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And look for all those guys 644 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960 that are in in the jail now, and you know, 645 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,880 some of them are probably like, yeah, you go, you 646 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,599 got out of prison, You beat the system. They ain't 647 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,320 loving them right now because your life just got twenty 648 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,480 times harder than it was a month ago. Because now 649 00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:57,360 everybody's eyes on you twenty four hours a day now, 650 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,280 and it is. 651 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,679 Speaker 3: Worthy of national news. Because of this point, we don't 652 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,559 know where they are, right they. 653 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,119 Speaker 1: Could be anywhere they could. They you know, they could 654 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:09,840 be all the way in California by now, they already 655 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440 caught several in Texas, So I mean they were across 656 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440 state lines, and once you break out of the state, 657 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,320 you've got a lot better chance of getting away with 658 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,079 it because the press just isn't even though it's a 659 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,960 national story, it's not covered as heavy in Arkansas as 660 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,239 it is in Louisiana. 661 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 3: It's on the national news, it's not on the local 662 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,599 Fayetteville correct CBS station exactly that you can go sit 663 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,800 at a diner and you have no idea who the 664 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,679 person is next to you. I mean, you know who 665 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,639 lives in your small town. But I mean to say, 666 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,599 if there is a stranger you may not recognize. Hey, wait, 667 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:45,760 this is an escaped in meat. 668 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's the shocking thing to me about 669 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,679 Massy because if you see his picture one time, he 670 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,800 just stands out to you. Anywhere in the country, you're 671 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,280 gonna notice a guy with that many tats on his face, 672 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,440 that is it. It's going to stand out. And he's 673 00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:04,599 been select so far. 674 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 3: Wow, well, Jim, did we kind of cover everything? 675 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,079 Speaker 1: I think we did. I think we did. 676 00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,079 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, and if you 677 00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:18,199 haven't already, guys, go listen. Jim is a podcast king 678 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,440 from Bloodying Gola to Local Leaders, which is a big 679 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,719 podcast that's done mainly locally to focus on some of 680 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,920 the local businesses and leaders. And then obviously the one 681 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,400 that's just taken off is exposed. 682 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, give you the maybe a little bit of 683 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,840 the tea on some of these rich and famous in 684 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,519 our country. 685 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,559 Speaker 3: So go take a listen to those and to our listeners, 686 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,360 we thank you for joining us for this week's episode 687 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,280 of Louisiana Unfiltered and we will see you next week.