WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.119 Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Game and Former Show, a 2 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.000 weekly podcast covering the video game industry. Join us each 3 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.320 and every week for a discussion with the latest gaming news, reviews, 4 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.800 and exclusive reveals with Game and Former staff and special 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:25.359 guests from around the industry. I am your host, Marcus Stewart. 6 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:27.800 I am joined by Eric Van Allen. 7 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:28.879 Hello. 8 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:33.439 Hi, Completely normal intro time. One hundred percent normal intro time. 9 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.320 And when I think of normal intro times, you would 10 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.479 not believe the number of times I've had to on 11 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.759 the spot come up with weird intros for Charles Hart's 12 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.600 based on previous statements, and this is the latest one, 13 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.640 because Charles Art is the Gang of completely normal intros. 14 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.880 Wow, okay, yes, Hello, my name is Charles Hart. 15 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:53.719 Nice to meet you. 16 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:55.479 Here's my business card. 17 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.399 Yeah, and you can tell this is definitely the first 18 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.759 time that we've recorded this intro. This is our first take. Yeah. Yeah, 19 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.879 they start calling to stephen A. Smith because we're the 20 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:08.760 King of first Takes. It is the show, right first. 21 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.239 I like how you couldn't even say the phrase king 22 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:16.560 of first takes in one smooth sentence as opposed to me, 23 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.400 who is normal and professional all the time. 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.519 Yes, got the real Brian Gumble voice performance going on 25 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.319 there and I like it. Hey, everybody, this week we're 26 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.760 gonna be talking about a few games. We got a 27 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.040 brand new game that came out this week called Big Hops. 28 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.200 If you followed the game the former YouTube channel, you 29 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.840 want have seen our new game play today video with 30 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.680 Charles Hart and Eric Van Allen playing through it. But 31 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.439 we're gonna have Charles give us the rundown. 32 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:48.439 Changeable. 33 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.719 Yeah, I'm sorry, Alex van Aiken, I got I did 34 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.200 the thing, I got the vans. 35 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:56.799 It was gonna happen sooner early. Everyone on staff has 36 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:58.439 done it at least once. It's fine. 37 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.599 You were saying you were rejecting the idea of Big 38 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.519 Hops from like a conceptual level. 39 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hops should not be that big there. 40 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.439 The Hops are too big in that game. I can't 41 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:10.919 play him. 42 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.240 Yeah, you're like, you're like Judy Hops size nice and small? No, no, 43 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.479 taller than her, that's what you've always said. 44 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:18.400 Yeah, yeah, I definitely said. 45 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.599 Eric will stop talking about Judy Hops. He always brings 46 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:24.479 her up when we're talking to the platforms, and it's. 47 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:29.840 Like how she's the appropriate height and upsetting she was taller. 48 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.240 I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna veto this whole, this 49 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.759 whole side, this whole side train of thought. 50 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:36.280 We just gotta go. 51 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.159 Started the intro of this podcast saying it was too 52 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.159 much and we needed to do a different. 53 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.120 We immediately came back to Judy hop. 54 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.319 Uh, you can subscribe to game former dot com before 55 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.400 we start comps. 56 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.120 I subscribe. We have magazines. 57 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.199 Marcus is crying, so I'm trying to help. 58 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.960 We have to jump in now. 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But yes, 81 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:04.000 as I was saying before I killed myself with my 82 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:07.120 own dumb joke, we're gonna be talking about big Ops. 83 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.879 We're gonna be talking about Middle Gear, Solid Delta, We're 84 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:13.680 gonna be talking about Dragon Age to Veilguard, and also 85 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.839 Fire and Bloom Path of Radiance. As we're kind of 86 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:21.000 in sort of a a bit of a dead month 87 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.680 for January, we're still kind of using the month as 88 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.120 a chance to kind of go back and and revisit 89 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.759 some stuff, maybe play some older games for the first 90 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.480 time or finishing up at least in my case, some 91 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.040 of my Lingering twenty twenty five games. And then we're 92 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.720 gonna take a quick break and when we come back, 93 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:40.639 we're gonna talk about something I don't think we've we've 94 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.000 ever really dived into on the show that I can recall. 95 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:48.720 It's the state of subscription services in video games. So 96 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.399 we're talking about your Xbox Game Pass, your PlayStation networks, 97 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.759 you're a Nintendo switch on lines, maybe even your Apple Arcades. 98 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.879 We're gonna be kind kind of like the start of 99 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:59.480 this year, kind of took a good look at the 100 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.120 current land and kind of talk about whether or not, 101 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.040 you know, if we find whatever services that were subscribed 102 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.800 to still worth the money, kind of talk about maybe 103 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.800 how the prices have changed over the years, and by change, 104 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.600 I mean risen in the last year, yeah or so, 105 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.879 and whether or not they still command the same value 106 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.480 as they did maybe when they started, and maybe even 107 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.120 a bit about like, you know, like how are they 108 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.879 going to grow and change throughout twenty twenty six and 109 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.079 sort of beyond, where do we see these services going 110 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.920 and whether or not more or less people adopt them 111 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:36.560 over time. So stay tuned for that in the back 112 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.399 half at the show. But yes, as we alluded to, 113 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:46.399 completely normally big hops new three D platformer out this 114 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.360 week by a small developer named a lot big luckshot 115 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:56.839 luckshot games, luck shot games where you control a frog. 116 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:01.319 It's our first froggy game of twenty twenty, and it's 117 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.959 got a lot of like kind of three D Mario 118 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.240 meets a bit of Breath at a Wild to it, 119 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.120 where you're just Frog exploring this big and really like 120 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.600 vibrant and just sort of cheery three world. But Charles, 121 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.839 you've been playing this, tell us all about big Hops. 122 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.240 Yeah, I've been playing a good bit. I'm like five 123 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.439 hours in the game from my I think from what 124 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.800 I've seen from the in game dialogue and then alsobscription, 125 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.160 there's like three big main areas, and I just beat 126 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.519 one of those big main areas. 127 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:32.040 Okay. 128 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.360 You play as Hop and he's a little frog guy 129 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.160 and he basically gets like teleported into another dimension and 130 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.720 he's trying to go home. In order to go home, 131 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.439 he needs these airship parts so he can, I guess, 132 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:50.920 fly back home. And Yeah, the actual gameplay is you 133 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.920 got a three D platformer, You've got a bunch of 134 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:56.600 like movement techniques, and one of the things I was 135 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:58.439 talking about in the new gameplay today, but just is 136 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.000 one of my favorite things about it is there's often 137 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:03.959 an intended path for you to get from point A 138 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.720 to point B. It might be just through like wall 139 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.639 running and jumping and diving and doing all your movement 140 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.399 tech you have. There's also these veggies that you can 141 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.000 throw that all have different like platforming helps. So one 142 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.720 of them just like spawns ropes that you can like 143 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:23.160 tight rope walk on. One of them bounces back and 144 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:24.839 you can like use your tongue to grapple to it 145 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.120 and bounce forward. There's a bunch of stuff like that. 146 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.160 We like about the game is that it's kind of 147 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.680 designed where it's like it's okay if you break us, 148 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.720 Like it's okay if you break the game with this move. 149 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:36.240 All that it knows is that you can get to 150 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.439 this point at some point, but there's never like quote 151 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.800 unquote breaking the game in that regard isn't actually like 152 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.199 ruining the fun at all. And they're kind of like 153 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.720 embracing the very like systems based exploration. So it's a 154 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.040 game that's like begging to be speed ram like. It's 155 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:53.920 one of those things that you'll see the techniques when 156 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.360 it comes out eventually, and it's gonna look crazier. You're 157 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.160 gonna be like, why are they obsessed with this veggie 158 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.160 I never used in the game. Oh wait, you can 159 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:04.680 use it for absolutely bonkers things. And yeah, it's voice 160 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.560 acted pretty well. It's very cute. As I've played, I've 161 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.360 gotten like a little bit more glitches, Like it's it's 162 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.120 a little unpolished. It's been development for like six years 163 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.560 or so, but there's still just some things here and there. 164 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.319 I had it crash one time. I had one area 165 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.360 where there was like one of those uh you know 166 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.560 in video games how there's a pole sticking out of 167 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.199 the wall and you can jump towards it and then 168 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.680 swing around it one hundred or three hundred and sixty 169 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.399 degrees the Prince of Persia. Yeah, a very very classic 170 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.159 video item. I was just a thing just now. I 171 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.320 was like, huh, that's very video gaming. I've never seen 172 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.279 someone do that in real life. I mean I've seen 173 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:45.240 it at like the Olympics, but not like, you know, yeah, yeah, 174 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:46.440 is this a Florida thing? 175 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:50.480 Oh? I mean, have you seen our tiktoks with that? Surprising? 176 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.559 If I told you it was GTA six is gonna 177 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:58.279 have poles sticking out of walls anyways? But yeah, I 178 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.519 know I had one where though, so one of those 179 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.120 wouldn't let me grab onto it, and it was like 180 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.399 just like little things like that. It hasn't been anything 181 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.919 absolutely game breaking. There's some like visual stuttering here and there, 182 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.440 but it's really good. It's very pleasant and chill and 183 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:16.559 laid back, and it's a nice like start to the 184 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.519 year of just being like I just want something new, 185 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.080 and it's been a while since I personally have played 186 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.240 like I think it's been since Astrobot that I've really 187 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:25.519 just like suck my teeth into a good three D platformer. 188 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.320 And yeah, it's nice and good. That's my review. I 189 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.799 haven't reviewed it, but you know, yeah, it looks cool. 190 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:34.000 I think I'm with you where it's like I think 191 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.200 Astronaut was the last big three D platform and I 192 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.840 really really dive into and even looking at the Steam page, 193 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.960 they actually display in sort of the video preview like 194 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.320 some of the stats where it are kind of boasting 195 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.279 this is like a fifteen hour main game, but it 196 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.320 could take you over thirty hours one hundred percent, which 197 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.279 that's a lot bigger than I thought this game was. 198 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.120 Looking at it, I honestly thought it was something like 199 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.039 a I don't know like a not quite a short hike, 200 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.039 like an hour, but like five hours tops. It's sort 201 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.600 of what my brain assumed about this game. So it's 202 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.039 actually pretty cool that it's it's as big as it seemingly. 203 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.559 It's like a hundred over one hundred characters that are 204 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.120 all fully voiced. Even just watching the like kind of 205 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.039 the archived stream of the developer playing it, like, there's 206 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.679 a lot of cool stuff. I'm just just washing of, like, oh, 207 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.799 using your tongue to do a bunch of things, or 208 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.840 like there's like a point where like Hops throws like 209 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.519 a balloon on a ship to help it rise out 210 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.480 of the sea, which gave me like metal gear full 211 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:28.679 recovery vibes. 212 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.759 That's that's the exact spot in the game. 213 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:32.559 I was stuck on. 214 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:34.240 Oh did I just. 215 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.600 Literally the last time I played the game, it was like, 216 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:39.679 help help lift the ship out of the water, and 217 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.240 I was like, I don't freaking know how to do that. 218 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.639 On an unrelated note, I found these fun new balloon 219 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.679 veggies and I haven't really used them for anything. 220 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:46.840 I didn't. I didn't. 221 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:48.679 It's not like I was I was like stuck, stuck, 222 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.240 like you know, I could have I probably could have 223 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:55.960 solved whatever I wanted to yet now. Yeah, but yeah, 224 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.039 that's cool, that's. 225 00:10:59.039 --> 00:10:59.240 Yeah. 226 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.679 There's also like, uh, there's little uh purple collectibles. I 227 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.159 think they're called dark Bits. But as you get them 228 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.559 over time, you unlock little trinkets, which are like patches 229 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.840 you put on your character's backpack, and those will give 230 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.759 you different like abilities or augment your hop in some way, 231 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.720 so it'll be like. One of them is you can 232 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.919 eat anything you can pick up, so you can eat 233 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.759 like rocks and pots and stuff, and anytime you eat something, 234 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.679 you heal yourself a little bit. So if you're having 235 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.720 like a hard time, you can equip to eat everything 236 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.360 badge and then you're basically just always have health around. 237 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.799 I would love to have that badge in real life. 238 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.279 That'd be sick. That'd be awesome. All my problems solved. 239 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:38.559 Just eat everything? 240 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.639 Yeah does it? 241 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:43.480 No? 242 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:47.399 No, No, let's talk about the game. I was gonna 243 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.320 get us on a different tangent over again, Mark, as. 244 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.159 You say what you were gonna say, I was just saying, 245 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.279 I like how all the NPCs just look like like 246 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.600 they look like animal crossing villagers if they were, if 247 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.360 they were all Yeah, somewhat sus like, yeah, they all have, 248 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.399 Like some of them have just like wide eyed, just 249 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.159 almost looked like they've seen things. Like some of them 250 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.480 just look straight up shady, like there's like there's like 251 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.080 a little bit of a I don't know if that 252 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.799 actually translates into like their characters or conversations, but just 253 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:17.399 looking at them, it's just like everyone here just looks 254 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.200 a little weird and off in a way that. 255 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.720 I are you worried that something is afoot in big 256 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.279 hops or like you're walking into a situation where you 257 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.000 don't really know what's going on. But they all do 258 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.919 like like kind of a midsomar situation going. 259 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.080 On, like oh wow, I'll tell you, you take two 260 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.720 steps into dusty bluffs and you'll know that something's wrong, 261 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:37.720 something's wrong in that. 262 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.799 Okay, okay, yeah yeah, but uh but yeah, uh it 263 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.559 seems cool. I want to play it, And you know, 264 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.799 this is a good month for for something like this. 265 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.759 I said, it's available now as of this week. It's 266 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.320 on like you're playing on PS five, It's on Steam, 267 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.519 and I believe it's also on Switch. Yes, yes, yes, 268 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.200 kind of leaning towards my platform. I think I'm like 269 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:00.960 playing on Switch. 270 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.879 I would like switch. I don't know how it runs 271 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.519 on Switch, Like I was saying, there's some like slight 272 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.759 technical issues on PS five, so I'm curious to see 273 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:12.080 how it performs there. I was gonna say, just on 274 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.960 the note of like you were talking about the character designs, 275 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:19.639 there is a character she's like a villain woman, and 276 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.320 she like cusses, but the game like bleeps it out, 277 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.639 which I think is very It's like a really good 278 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:30.240 way of like, I don't know, emphasizing how mean this 279 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.559 person is while still kind of keeping a kid friendly. 280 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.360 And also like a bleeped swear is always funnier than 281 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.679 an unbleeped swear because it's like you have no idea 282 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.120 what she said in that instance. 283 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.000 Yeah, is it like a proper bleep or did they 284 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.639 have like a cute bleep or cute sensor. 285 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:49.159 It's it's a proper bleep, okay. And even though like textbox, 286 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.080 it's like a bunch of like in a comic book 287 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.080 where they swear, it's just a bunch of like ampersand 288 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.600 exclamation point parentheses, et cetera. That kind of thing. Yeah, 289 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:58.320 that's good. 290 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.679 Awesome, Yeah, big hops check it out now. And also 291 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.200 check out our new Gameplay Today video on our YouTube 292 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:09.000 channel if you want to see Charles play himself. I 293 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.320 referenced the Fulton recovery system in this because I've got 294 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.000 metal Gear on the brain, because I've finished Metal Gear 295 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.919 Solid Delta Snake Eater. I mentioned it last week that 296 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.320 it was my kind of my Winter Break game, and 297 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.039 I have since completed it, and I've also you know, 298 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.519 in another shout out to mind Max, I watched the 299 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:33.360 Deepest Dive for that game immediately highly recommend. I thought 300 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.559 it was very entertaining and funny, and you guys also 301 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.080 had a lot of really great points. I was kind 302 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.399 of Enhansen Boat where it was the first time I 303 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.159 played that game from start to finish since it came 304 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.159 out so about twenty years and so there were a 305 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:48.919 lot of things that I like. There were a lot 306 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.759 of the broad strokes that I remember, like I remember 307 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.360 all the boss fights and stuff. But then there are 308 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.559 other segments where I was like, oh, I completely forgot 309 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:59.000 this was in the game, like the the EVA babysitting part. 310 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:04.399 Towards the I was like, I don't remember this as 311 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.679 ad the like did they add this in the remix? 312 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:08.120 Is this is like the one thing that added. How 313 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.480 do I have no memory of this? 314 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.519 Can you imagine if they remade your favorite game and 315 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:15.879 they put an undred hundred vibe but then they added 316 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:19.799 a mandatory score score for the final box fight. 317 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:21.919 I said, you know what, this game was missing the 318 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.679 first time that I think fans would really go crazy for. 319 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.320 Yeah, let's let's add a turret sequence while we're at it. 320 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:34.679 That game definitely doesn't have a turret sequence, right. It's 321 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.799 it's funny you think about mel gear Solid like three 322 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:40.720 Delta whatever. It does have a lot of those moments 323 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.559 that have been reviled in games. It just does them 324 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.559 really really well. IMO. 325 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.320 That's and it's weird because I so I played with 326 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.600 the modern setup so kind of like the like the 327 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.919 Phantom Pain style. Basically it plays like a proper third 328 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.360 person shooter. 329 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.480 And yeah, yeah, you're saying, like the camera controls. 330 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.360 Yeah, like the camera controls and all that stuff. So 331 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.799 I didn't play an the original forms because like, oh 332 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:07.159 I already did that. I kind of want to see 333 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.279 what this looks like with modern controls. And the entwer 334 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.080 is good to the point of almost trivializing some of 335 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.919 the boss eyes or you realize like it still has 336 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.159 a lot of the this game is such a faithful 337 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.639 remake that you can still just see like, oh, yeah, 338 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.679 this is this is puzzle design of the era, or 339 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:26.960 like this is like a level design of like oh, 340 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.879 I've in my brain again my twenty year old rose 341 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.519 colored glasses of this game. I'm picturing like, man, this 342 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.080 game is like a giant forest and it was all 343 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.919 sprawling and you're sneaking through all these bushes and it 344 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.200 takes forever, and then like it's just these little like 345 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.679 square zones of just like here's a few trees or 346 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.320 some bushes. You're gonna like very quickly get to the 347 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:48.320 other side of this and transition to another area. And 348 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.519 you're like, oh, yeah, I guess it was. But you know, 349 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.240 again in two thousand and four, when this came out, 350 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:57.039 like that, like the biggest games I'd ever played up 351 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.559 to that point and kind of were around were like 352 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.759 GC or whatever. So it's like, I know it wasn't 353 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:03.240 a scale of that, but I thought like, oh, this 354 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.440 is like the second biggest thing I've ever played, because 355 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:09.160 look how big this forest is. And it was fun 356 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.400 almost kind of having that like like bucket of water 357 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.039 dumped on me. I'm like, oh, yeah, these were like 358 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.400 small little areas you can get through this game. And 359 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.279 also like the length of it was kind of my 360 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.279 biggest sort of like shell shock of like when I 361 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.599 realized how far I'd gotten in such little time, and 362 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.920 you know, I wasn't skipping cutscenes or anything like that, 363 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:28.559 and I was like, oh man, I've only put in 364 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.720 like five hours and I'm like, well, like way through 365 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.000 this game, and I didn't realize that. I guess in 366 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.759 my mind, the cober fights were a lot more spaced 367 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.480 out than they are and maybe because I I think, 368 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.720 like I just it just took me longer to do 369 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.079 things back then, where it's like now I'm a you know, 370 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.000 more experienced gamer, and I know how to just handle 371 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.640 things better. I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna get 372 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.279 through this sneaking area pretty quick. I'm still getting caught 373 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.400 every two seconds, but like I'm just tranking everyone ahead 374 00:17:59.400 --> 00:17:59.920 and moving on. 375 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.480 This is a weird philosophical question for you and maybe 376 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.759 for the room. Do you find that as you've gotten older, 377 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.960 do you focus on objectives and completion more often? Because 378 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.279 I was legitimately thinking about this the other day that 379 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.920 I think maybe not all the time when I was younger, 380 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.559 but certainly for a decent degree of it, I saw 381 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:27.240 games more as like play, as experience, as like creating things. 382 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.319 I think Charles, your example that you've given before of 383 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:31.599 the games you would create within the lego games are 384 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.359 a great example of this of inventing ways of play 385 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:39.519 within an established means of play. And I have noticed 386 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:41.480 that as I've gotten older, I have a very like, well, 387 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.279 I need to get this done, I need to complete this, 388 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.240 I need to move on to the next thing, because 389 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.039 accomplishment is the goal and objectives are the ultimate meter 390 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.240 of my success. And do you find that has changed 391 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.759 at all, Like maybe when you played way in the past, 392 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.640 you just did more stuff in the world that was 393 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:59.559 not tied to just moving forward. 394 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.079 Yeah. I think it's a mix of both. I mean 395 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:06.079 that mindset has definitely like that has become a thing, 396 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:07.960 especially with this job or where it is a lot 397 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:09.680 of like I need to get through this so I 398 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.359 can move on to the next thing that I have 399 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.160 to play for coverage, you know, But I also try 400 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.160 to make a point to like savor it and not 401 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:18.799 just make it a like I just need to get 402 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.400 through this, I need to like fast forward through all 403 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.240 the dialogues. I need to get to the thing, Like 404 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.640 I don't do that. But with this game, I think 405 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:26.880 because I played it before and even though my memory 406 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.599 was fuzzy, I still remembered like a lot of the 407 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:31.960 gameplay stuff. So there were things where like, oh, I 408 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.200 got through this area faster because I I know there's 409 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:37.839 nothing here, or I know a lot of the tricks, 410 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.079 or remember a lot of the tricks so I can 411 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.920 kind of just do them at will now instead of 412 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.599 kind of like you know, when it's your first time, 413 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.519 you're still poking around ye just saying like what can 414 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:49.119 I do? There was less of that, and it was 415 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:50.880 more just remembering like oh yeah, I think when I 416 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.720 get to the spot, I can do this, or if 417 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.240 I go into menu and spin around, I can make 418 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.519 snake throw up. And you know, it doesn't take me 419 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:58.279 like hours to discover that. I just know how to 420 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:02.440 do it. So like a bit a column may have 421 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.000 been a column be for this, But I think some 422 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.039 of that is a consequence of replaying this rather than 423 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.119 being my first time. Like I don't know, Charles might 424 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.240 be a better person to ask that too, of like 425 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:15.319 someone going to the first time, did you feel like, 426 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:16.839 and I know you were on the deadline for like 427 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.440 the deepest dives. He kind of did have a bit 428 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.880 of a like I need to get through this within 429 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:21.759 a time. Yeah, but. 430 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:28.759 It was like, uh uh, I do think that was 431 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.319 a thing that is so it always impresses me about 432 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.160 the Middle Gear games, which I've mentioned a few times 433 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:36.240 on the show specifically, but it's it's been a while 434 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.240 that I've played them. Very recently. I played one and 435 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.200 two in the like HD collection and then this was 436 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.160 the first time I played three last August September whenever. 437 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:49.960 That was y But I am consistently impressed by the 438 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.960 amount of like tools. 439 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:52.000 They give you. 440 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:53.720 But they feel like toys, just in a way that 441 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:57.880 it's like, uh, like there's mouse traps in the game, 442 00:20:58.119 --> 00:20:59.759 and you can put it on the ground and someone 443 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.160 will step on a mouse trap. It's not optimal there. 444 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.960 I never had a reason to use a mouse trap really, 445 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.960 but there's so many things that are like mouse trap 446 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:11.319 caliber items you can just pick up and use in 447 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.559 the game that I can definitely see someone being like, oh, 448 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:15.920 I want to use all these items or I just 449 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:17.839 want to use a lot of stuff and have a 450 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.640 lot of fun, or you can just like use the 451 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:20.799 trank gun and go through the game. 452 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.400 Yeah, I did make a point to do things like 453 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.160 do things I didn't do the first time around, of 454 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.279 like not just relying on a trank gun, which is 455 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:31.640 like my to me, that is just the main weapon 456 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:32.119 for Snake. 457 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:32.720 Yeah it is. 458 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.319 Yeah what the PP seven is the James Bond is 459 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:38.880 the trank gun to Snake in my eyes. So like 460 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.720 but even in the original, like I I would kill 461 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:44.640 people if it came down to it, but this one, 462 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.079 I actually did a non lethal run with the exceptions. 463 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:51.440 But when I got when I got to the Sorrow Fight, 464 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:53.880 no one was there except for the bosses, so it 465 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.920 was like incredibly easy to get through, whereas I remember 466 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:58.720 the first time, it was a lot more of like, 467 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.559 oh this is this is a bit rough. There's some 468 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.240 like it wasn't like a complete masker, but there was enough, 469 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.000 like I killed enough people to make it like more 470 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:09.640 of an of an exercise to get through. So it 471 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.319 was fun. Like even the final like you know, I'll 472 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.519 avoid spoilers, but like the last quort of like big 473 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:19.720 Chase sequence, I still use the uh the TRNK for 474 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.079 that where it's like, I think that is when the 475 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.160 game gives you permission to be like you can just 476 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:25.839 go crazy now, but even. 477 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:28.000 Then, actually, hey, it's it's cool, you can do you 478 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:28.680 can do this now. 479 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.920 But I played that in the whole chase with just 480 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.799 the train gun, which was very dumb but very funny 481 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.559 because then guys are falling asleep on the motorcycle and 482 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.680 then crashing and exploding and dying anyway. Yeah, so it's 483 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.000 like but in my mind, I was like, does that 484 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.559 count as a tally against me? When I get the 485 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.240 final thing? Are they gonna say I killed them? Even 486 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.319 though I mean I technically didn't kill them. I don't. 487 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.839 I don't know if that would hold up in court 488 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.359 of like, well, I put them to sleep, what happens 489 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.039 after they go to sleep? Is that all me? You know? 490 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:59.039 Batman logic over here, Like yeah, I just punched them 491 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.200 really hard in the head over and over again. 492 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.440 Yeah. Yeah. 493 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:05.480 They died three days later in the hospital. 494 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:07.440 But I didn't kill it then. 495 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.039 Yeah, I don't have to What was the line in 496 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:11.759 Batman begins like I'm not going to kill you, but 497 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.079 I don't have to say you either. 498 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.799 Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I don't think I think that's 499 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.720 the murder. I think it's I think it's manslaughter. I 500 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:27.960 don't we don't need to get into it. Yeah, I 501 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.759 was gonna say the Sorrow Fight is a good example 502 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.960 of that game where like my issue with it now 503 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.759 and it's like it's like a fun thing on paper, 504 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.640 but when you're actually playing it's always annoying, where it's 505 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.400 like a lot of times sometimes there is a very 506 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:43.759 specific way you're supposed to do stuff, and just the 507 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.480 act of figuring that out is like really annoying. If 508 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.559 you think of it in the moment, or you already 509 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:51.400 know what it is, it's like a cool thing. But 510 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.200 that was one of the things as I was playing 511 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.319 the game, being frustrated and having a hard time figuring 512 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.599 out what the puzzle was in a game that seems 513 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:06.559 it's so cinematic and so linear that I often, uh, 514 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.880 Snake has such a strong personality in a way that 515 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:13.640 a lot of video game protagonists don't that A lot 516 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.680 of times I'm like, I'm I feel like I'm failing 517 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.720 Snake's legacy here by not knowing. 518 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:19.960 What to do. 519 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:22.599 Whereas, like, you know, if Mario has a hard time 520 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.359 jumping up a thing. It's like, I don't know that's Mario. 521 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:25.759 He doesn't have much of personality. 522 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.559 I have that same reaction when I played Double Make 523 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.839 Cry games badly, where it's like, yeah, yeah, I'm making 524 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:33.680 him not cool if I don't get that, like if 525 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:34.160 I get like. 526 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:38.519 A d yeah, master Chief would never die and I'm 527 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.799 you're letting him down inhalal legendary difficulty. Yeah, that's what 528 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.079 it feels like. But I uh, I was gonna say 529 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.359 also to Eric's thing earlier of like, uh, games within games, 530 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.039 I think of that as like games as toys, where 531 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.400 it's like there's no there's no like objective. This is 532 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.160 just like my things, and this is what they do 533 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.480 when they interact, and I do. I would I would 534 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.039 have liked to play Middle Gears Alt three Younger with 535 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.440 no Deadline with a bunch of like fourteen year olds, 536 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.119 because I feel like you go to like you go 537 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.240 to one friend's house and they'd be like, oh, I've 538 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.279 got one hundred hours. And I had one friend who 539 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.200 had one hundred hours in the Legends of the Twilight 540 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.359 Princess and did not leave Ordon Village. He like couldn't 541 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.200 figure out how to get out into like high rul Field, 542 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.880 into like the main part of the game. He just 543 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.160 had so much fun as like a twelve year old 544 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.480 just running around and jumping off stuff and fishing really badly. 545 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.519 Like yeah, that was enough for him going out like 546 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.480 chasing sheep and I don't even know how often you 547 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.039 can do it. It's crazy. It was like me showing him 548 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.680 was like there's a lot of stuff in this game 549 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.000 and he just had no concept of it. 550 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:44.519 He like freaks out. He's like, I need to go 551 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.480 back again. I'm not ready for this. 552 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.720 It's like the game equivalent of that Tiny Toon Summer 553 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.079 Vacation episode where they take this big road trip to 554 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.960 this amusement park and all Hampton's family wants to ride 555 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:58.359 the monorail, and then they leave and you're like, what 556 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.880 about this other stuff? Now? This this is all we need. 557 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.640 This is the ride. 558 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:08.880 I will say my biggest takeaway after playing this is 559 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.519 that it made me miss having a new metal gear 560 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.799 to look forward to, because I remember listening to The 561 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.400 Deepest Dive and I think it was the first episode 562 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.440 where you and I think Haley were sort of like 563 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.839 kind of jokingly but like semi seriously asking like did 564 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.440 you guys think this was like actually good writing. Back then, 565 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.160 guys were kind of making fun of it a little bit. 566 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.559 But I remember like also like nodding to myself, like 567 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.720 as a high schooler when this game came out, I 568 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.640 one thousand percent was like, this is peak video game. 569 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.839 Like this is like there's nothing like like this the intrigue, 570 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.000 but like this is so deep we don't even know 571 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.920 all the layers so far. Like video games, there's no 572 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:55.440 video game that touches metal gear with this, right it is. 573 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.720 It is a little bit of that. I will say, 574 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.039 like Snake Eater is made be one of the better 575 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.200 written Metal Gear solids. Like two and three I think 576 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.680 are kind of the peak for me of that series, 577 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.839 and then four falls off a little bit. I never 578 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:13.759 played four. I watched I like sat on a couch 579 00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.079 as my roommate played through four, and then five was 580 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.480 absolutely bonkers in every possible conceivable way. I love five 581 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.519 as a game. Five as a story is a completely 582 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:30.319 different scenario. But three is like three is a really 583 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.519 really good Bond movie or like a really good mission impossible. 584 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.000 That's how I always saw it is. It's got all 585 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:41.240 the spy thriller intrigue and nations, and it does have 586 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.160 the ending, which I think is really really solid. 587 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.759 Yeah, I was wondering how it reacted. I remember at 588 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.960 the time I was genuinely emotional watching that final ending 589 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.440 for the first time. And then like even still feeling 590 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.559 it now, even though I know it wasn't nearly you know, 591 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.599 I didn't have nearly as a visceral reaction to it 592 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.200 as I did the first time I played it, it 593 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.480 was still like, yeah, this still, this is still effective, 594 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.240 Like this is still like a cool revelation. I guess 595 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.359 even though it's it's in hindsight, it's sort of telegraphed 596 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:14.640 a lot more than I realized back then. But yeah, 597 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.759 and then even the final like the final final, like 598 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.920 post credits stinger and again going back to wanting to 599 00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.680 live in this era of metal gear, Like you know, 600 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:24.759 now I know the answers to everything, I know the 601 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.319 I know where the series goes. But at the time 602 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.160 when you didn't, I was like, oh my god, this 603 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.519 is shocking. Oh, I can't wait for the next man 604 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.119 they did it again. Oh, I can't wait to know 605 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.519 where all of this is gonna go. And it did 606 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.359 make me a stat like man I wish I could 607 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.000 scrap my brain of the series and like re experience 608 00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.640 it again and and have that Like I get the 609 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.720 same feeling when I think of Assassin's Creed two, where 610 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.079 like that for me was like the hype of intrigue 611 00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.880 of that series with everything of like the truth and 612 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.599 like where are we gonna go? Oh, like the implications 613 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.720 of everything with the appam like, oh, I can't wait 614 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.559 for Assassin's Creed three, Like I wish I could go 615 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.000 back to that era too before they you know, kind 616 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.880 of fumble the bag with that stuff, at least in 617 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:09.160 my opinion. But yeah, there was like a it does 618 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.240 make me want to immediately replay for like I just 619 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.680 want to dust off my PS four and I still 620 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.440 have my copy of or PS three. I should say 621 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.640 and pop in my copy of four and play it again. 622 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.359 And I really hope that you get to play at Charles, 623 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.240 I remember you saying you were interested in I hope 624 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.599 you find a way to play. I think four is fascinating, 625 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.279 Like it's a good game. I think it's yeah, like 626 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.240 the story stuff because it is the Avengers in game 627 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.960 of metal Gear of like we have been building like 628 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.920 everything we've been building up to happens in this game, 629 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.440 and we're gonna tie We're gonna painstakingly tie up all 630 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.000 the loose ends in this game. 631 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:50.039 It's also like gameplay wise, maybe the weirdest of the bunch, 632 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.759 just with I remember very specific segments of just doing 633 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.960 things that felt very not Metal gear solid. There's that 634 00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.119 whole spy sequence and all that. Also, there's a podcast 635 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.440 in it that's hosted by Jeff Keey, Right, There's there's 636 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.440 like all this really weird stuff embedded in the game. 637 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:14.240 There's the Universe podcast, the weird commercials when you're first installing. Yes, yeah, 638 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.200 action there's. 639 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:21.240 That's kind of awesome though, I think and it was 640 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.519 it was him like smoking during the loading thing, right, 641 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.200 that was like infamous. Yeah, it's a forever. 642 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.759 To install that game. They're like, you can watch snake smoke. 643 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.519 I guess on this bar slowly. 644 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.279 I can forgive a lot of shortcomings of a game 645 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:41.279 just exudes itself. It's personality, it's aura that much like 646 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.680 if it's so obsessed with what it itself is doing, 647 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.519 I can I can get on board with that. 648 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.799 Yeah. Also, I'm I'm annoyed that some stuff was A 649 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.640 four was spoiled for you, Charles. I was like screaming 650 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.839 when I was watching and Dan kind of say something 651 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.000 some pretty wild some pretty wild things that happening for 652 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.960 just kind of say. I was like, no, don't tell them, 653 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:04.720 don't tell them that. 654 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.599 That's also a thing that like so much happens in 655 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.519 metal Gear and like they like the people that really 656 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:16.599 like metal Gear really like uh marinate in it and 657 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:18.839 like talk about it a lot, and I think get 658 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.039 more of an understanding of it. I played Metal Gear 659 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.640 Solid one, two, and three all within the last two 660 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.279 or three years, and I I would have a hard 661 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.359 time even giving you a basic plot rundown of all 662 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.160 of them. So it's a thing that like I I 663 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.880 think I remembered the thing that they spoiled. I couldn't. 664 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.440 I couldn't imagine the context that could appear in and 665 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.039 by the time I do actually play the game, I 666 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:44.240 will have completely forgotten. 667 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:51.799 Yeah. I mean, so tanks with legs, yes, Solid snake okay. Yeah, 668 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.920 And I don't know what's the third pillar of Metal 669 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:55.960 Gear series. 670 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.559 I don't even want to. I was gonna say something else, 671 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.000 but that would spoil more. 672 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.519 Yeah. Yeah, everyone's just wild. Yeah, movies who's that. 673 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.720 Guy that farts all the time. 674 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.880 Yeah, Johnny poo his pants a lot. 675 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:11.200 Yeah. 676 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:11.839 Oh that's right. 677 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.680 I do I know him. He's in MeTL Gear Solid three, 678 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.720 He's he's in every Metal Gear Solid is he? 679 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.799 Oh? I thought he was introduced in this one. See 680 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:20.559 that's the kind of. 681 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.640 This one. 682 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:25.759 This game is like yeah, yeah. 683 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.279 It's it's really good and maybe really bad. Like it's 684 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.160 it's so specific. I have I love trying to wrap 685 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.000 my mind around mel Gear Solid three, where I'm like, 686 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.119 I have no idea how I feel about it. I 687 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.839 think I just like playing it. Maybe that just means good. 688 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.920 I don't know. But just the fact that I like, 689 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.200 we we had all this conversation. They're like, Charles, did 690 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.480 you do the thing and then go to sleep and 691 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.799 then play this secret second game or whatever? 692 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:47.960 I was like what? 693 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.960 And just like the Nightmare sequence and Melo Gear Slid three, 694 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.960 it's like a great example of like, I don't know, Eric, 695 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.400 you haven't listening the deepest die. But one of our 696 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.119 one of our bits is that we're like this game 697 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.880 was designed to be talked about at recess in junior high, 698 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.920 Like that's all everything in there is, like whoa did 699 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:05.519 you do you know you can do this and mail 700 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.640 your saw three? What if you spend sneak around in 701 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:07.920 the menu? 702 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.279 Throws up no way, Yeah, and then I can't see 703 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.880 that I think of when I think of that, I 704 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.640 think of Pokemon, but that that I also also. 705 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was a water like 706 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.559 I had that in high school, Like it was a 707 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.200 water cooler game of like, did you know that you 708 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.240 could do this? You're like, what what are you talking about? 709 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.920 But yes, that That is a long winded way to 710 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.160 say I finished Medical your Solid Delta. It's still a 711 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.920 really good game. It's a great remake. It's pretty much 712 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:33.799 gonna be I think the fact of way to play 713 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.559 the game, just because of how faithful it is. But 714 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.039 also it stands enough, says enough of the rough edges 715 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.880 down to make it like the ideal version of that game. 716 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.319 So highly recommend if you've ever wanted to get into 717 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.680 the middle of your series. And also listen to the 718 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.319 med Maxnifasie when a game because it's extremely entertaining. I 719 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:56.839 thoroughly enjoyed it. Other games, Eric, you have been playing 720 00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.559 Dragon Age the Veil Guard. 721 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.880 Which I'm for the second time. This is my second 722 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.200 run through the game. Yeah, So for those who don't know, 723 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.119 I co host a podcast called norm DFM with Kenna Sheppard. 724 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.000 We play through games in kind of a game club 725 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.760 style format, if you can tell from the name of 726 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.719 the show it is mostly It started as a BioWare thing. 727 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.480 We started with Mass Effect and dragon Age, and then 728 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.199 we kind of went onto other series because Byowear kind 729 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.599 of stopped making games for a while, and so we 730 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.800 did stuff like fal Fantasy ten and Last of Us 731 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:32.360 and Cyberpunk. That was a fun season and now we're 732 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.599 back on Biowear for dragon Age of the Veil Guard 733 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.440 this year. So I've been playing that for our episodes 734 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.280 and dragon Age is the Veilguard. We don't need to 735 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.800 spend too much time on it, but it was It's 736 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.400 such an interesting game to play. I know, this game 737 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.840 only came out a couple of years ago. It's not 738 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:55.440 very old and was certainly the topic of hot discussion, controversy, 739 00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.719 just everybody just talking about it even before the game 740 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.119 was out, but definitely like once it was out there 741 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.519 in the world, it was the discourse DuJour for for 742 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.239 quite a bit, and so having a little bit of 743 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.559 space to kind of take a breath, come back and 744 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.400 see how I feel about the game has been really 745 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.559 interesting because it illustrates obviously, it's a game that's very 746 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.039 emblematic of how it was made, if that makes sense, 747 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:26.159 Like it was you can tell you know when you're 748 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.159 playing the game that there are kind of bits and 749 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.719 pieces that all seem reminiscent of games like Destiny and 750 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.960 other service games. And there's a lot of reports and 751 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.519 stuff out there from folks like Jason Tryer that've detailed 752 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.400 the long and troubled development that went behind what became 753 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.199 The Vailguard, which itself was Dragon Age Dreadwolf before it, 754 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.920 and then just Dragon Age four question Mark before that 755 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.880 for years and years. Wolf is still a better name. 756 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.480 Dreadwolf is still a better name. I still really don't 757 00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.320 get the reasoning behind I have heard the reasoning behind it. 758 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.000 I've had plain to me. I still think Dreadwolf is 759 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:08.519 a better name. But it's a really interesting game to play. 760 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.400 In light of I almost didn't bring it up for 761 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.119 the podcast, and then we mentioned that, Hey, also, Anthem 762 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.039 shut down the other day. It is fully turned off 763 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:26.119 servers down. You basically can't play Anthem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 764 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.280 In the way. That's happening to a lot of online 765 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:33.119 games and online services as they kind of launch and 766 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.280 find an audience or don't, and even if they do, 767 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.000 maybe the audience doesn't stay forever and then they eventually 768 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.639 sunset and we'll get into this deeper. But it felt 769 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.800 like a good way to kind of establish a stepping 770 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:48.559 stone into the second half of this podcast of even 771 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.760 Vailguard has weird stuff tied into it with I think 772 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.239 it has some online stuff, although most of it had 773 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.079 been extricated by the time it came out. But it 774 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.000 illustrates what bio where I was always going through throughout 775 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.840 the years. You know, I think a lot of people 776 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.079 look at Anthem and they say that that was the 777 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:11.119 example of electronic arts exerting influence on biowear, right, Like, 778 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.960 here's BioWare the thing that you know for mass Effect 779 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.360 and dragon Age. They're making an iron Man live service 780 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.079 shooter basically. But you go back to Mass Effect two 781 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.840 and they had the Cervice network. You go back to 782 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.880 Mass Effect three, they had loot crates. Remember lout crates, 783 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.159 those were in Mass Effect three. That was that was 784 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.719 like that was like the testing ground for them, and 785 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.199 I think It's been really interesting to go back through 786 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.119 that through the lens of the Veil Guard and just 787 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.320 kind of see it as right, you know, right now. 788 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:45.360 After after Veil Guard, Biowear had tons of layoffs, a 789 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.039 lot of talent left. A lot of people from Biowear 790 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.079 have been very vocal about that in the past, about 791 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.519 the situation that led to that and the reasons why 792 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.440 they have left the company. A lot of them have 793 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039 gone off to spin up new places that are now 794 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.559 working on their own RPGs, their own games. I think 795 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:08.199 the the idea of entities outside Biowear making BioWare games 796 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.159 has become a very popular thing. You have games like 797 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.920 greed Fall and even Balder's Gate three, which is very 798 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.199 much a Larriyan style game, but also takes a lot 799 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.199 of influence from BioWare's take on RPGs. Just played DOS 800 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.719 two and then played BG three, and you can see 801 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.840 the difference. So yeah, I guess that's my winding way 802 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.199 of saying that I don't know that I love Vailguard. 803 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.440 In fact, a lot of times I dislike it. 804 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.719 It has more or less this. 805 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.920 I kind of like it less, and I already was 806 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.199 not really warm on it to begin with for a 807 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.920 variety of reasons, I was already kind of in you know, 808 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.440 I didn't review it at the time because of other 809 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.880 mess that happens, but I did play it, you know, 810 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.119 play an early copy when it came out, and and 811 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.480 I I think I came out of it feeling very 812 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.239 middling on it, Like that wasn't the worst thing I've 813 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.320 ever played, But it certainly wasn't you know, what I 814 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.199 would have hoped for from a new Dragon Age. And 815 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.199 now I'm playing it, and for every moment that I see, 816 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.199 this was the vision, this is the idea. They really 817 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.239 had something this stuff with. I actually just finished playing 818 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.159 the emeric section. If if you were familiar with Vailguard, 819 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.039 but there's a character who is the most vincent price 820 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.199 dude you have ever seen in your life, who's all 821 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.480 about like necromancy and the necropolis and raising the dead 822 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.440 and very spooky scary ghouls and can't be horror, but 823 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.800 also gets into some really good stuff about mourning and 824 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.199 grief and what it means for someone to pass on 825 00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.719 from this mortal coil. Gets into some really good stuff 826 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.760 that that's like really what I would consider classic BioWare 827 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.000 even some of the choices that you make. There's an 828 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.679 infamous choice in the beginning of the game where you 829 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.360 choose one direction or the other very BioWare thing, and 830 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.400 the results of that. I did the opposite direction this 831 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.280 time from what I originally did, and I was shocked 832 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.159 by how how much it changes the world and how 833 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.559 much it really impacted me emotionally, even having seen, you know, 834 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:11.239 some effects of this before. There's some of the magic 835 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.760 still there. There's so much of the magic from people 836 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.079 who were trying to make the magic happen at BioWare 837 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:21.159 in this game. But then there's here's a puzzle where 838 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.719 you got to shoot red crystals to unlock a door, 839 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.039 which is maybe one of my least favorite things in 840 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.320 all third person action games. I dislike the hit the 841 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.199 switches to change the direction of the water. I dislike 842 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.880 the hit the things in order to unlock the door. 843 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:43.119 I think a lot of those weird environmental puzzles that 844 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.199 kind of just have one solution and you just have 845 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.800 to do it to move on to the next area 846 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.440 always feel bad. I've never really enjoyed them, and I 847 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.519 think with Dragon Age of the Vailguard, there's so much 848 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.079 of that just littered throughout the game that otherwise gets 849 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.320 in the way of what feels like a bye wear 850 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.079 a game, what feels like a classic maybe not so 851 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.920 much a Dragon Age Origins, but maybe more a mass 852 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.920 Effect two style game, a Mass Effect three style game. 853 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.519 And it's you know, I realize I'm getting into the 854 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.719 nitty gritty of what a biowear game is. But I've 855 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.920 played every BioWare game at this point, probably at least twice. 856 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.079 So that's what you sign up for. 857 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.159 Well, now that you say that, replaying the Veil Guard 858 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.440 with the sort of like I don't know, new perspective, 859 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:34.239 has it changed your anticipation or worry level for Mass 860 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:34.880 Effect five? 861 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.239 I mean, mass Effect five for me is not a 862 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.679 real game yet. Like that is, that's a trailer right now. 863 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.039 We've heard so little about it. There's always an n 864 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.000 seven day thing that comes out and they say we're 865 00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.119 working on it. It's going to be the mass Effect 866 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:54.719 experience you want. And like, I want the best for 867 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.039 that team, I truly do. I want them to make 868 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.679 the best Mass Effect game they can. I want them 869 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.559 to make it happen. I also saw years of this 870 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.880 happening for for the Dragon Age team under EA as 871 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.199 they went through basically a decade of development trying to 872 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.360 make Veilguard happen, and it was a lot of the 873 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:11.840 same where it was just kind of a statement where 874 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.840 they said, we're making the best Dragon age we can. 875 00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.199 We're working on it, don't worry. 876 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:17.599 Yeah. 877 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.280 And then and then meanwhile headlines trickled out of like 878 00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:28.159 development strife, people leaving layoffs and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, 879 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.239 a lot a lot of these names moving in and out. 880 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.320 And so I really do I I want the best 881 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.400 for for the MASSIFFCT team. I also just Mass Effect 882 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.079 five doesn't feel like a game yet. It feels like 883 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.119 a concept, a thing that could happen, but until we 884 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.760 really see more than just I think we've had two 885 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.679 trailers in the piece of concept art at this point 886 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.400 and a box art that was that was kind of 887 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:50.639 post this early. 888 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.599 Yeah, that was picking apart. 889 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.360 Yeah, yeah, there's been some pieces of concept art, and 890 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.920 I think the box art with the character yeah, oh, 891 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.920 the transmission was weird. That became the Krogan Civil War 892 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.400 where it's a bunch of it says Krogan Civil War 893 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.519 under it in that kind of like motivational poster fonts, 894 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.559 and then it's the Krogans, but they're all shooting like 895 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.960 towards the camera, towards something off screen, and it only 896 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.400 made me think of the Nathan Fielder image of like, 897 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.920 here's me and my friends. They're all laughing, just off screen, 898 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:33.159 and it's with no context, with no explanation of what 899 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.440 they mean by Krogan civil War or what that entails 900 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.400 or anything. And I understand there's always ARGs and teasing 901 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.119 with these games that that happens, but I still think 902 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.639 in my personal opinion, in my personal opinion everybody who 903 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.719 who's watching this, I still think Mass Effect five is 904 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.119 we haven't seen enough of it to even really feel 905 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.000 like it's something that we're going to see anytime soon. 906 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.239 So I just don't have expectations of it sho up 907 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.800 anytime soon. I have the best hopes for the team, 908 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.760 but they're under a system that I think is has 909 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.599 made it difficult for them to produce what they ultimately 910 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:08.960 want to. 911 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.800 Yeah, and out of one and it's probably wildly changing 912 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:16.480 with the EA sort of buyout. Yes, you think that 913 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.480 I will before we move on in Seven Day twenty 914 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.840 twenty six, Is this the year that you think we 915 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.920 get a substantial update on that game. 916 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.000 I don't know. I don't I don't play that game. 917 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.679 I don't like I have a running joke with Ken 918 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.800 and with some other folks where we're just like, when 919 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.079 do you think Mass Effect five is realistically going to 920 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.800 show up? And I think we're still years away. 921 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.639 And not really so, I mean, like like a real trailer, 922 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.199 just something to really latch on. 923 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:54.280 I could I could see like a thirty second teaser, Sure, yeah, 924 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.199 roll out one of those, but I think anything close 925 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.320 to think about Dragon Age the Vailguard, we didn't see 926 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.719 game play until maybe like less than a year out 927 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.119 from the release of that game. That was a very 928 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.400 quick turnaround that was very again like emblematic of the 929 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.360 situation behind the scenes of how that game was being made, 930 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.519 of how it was coming together. And even that's the 931 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.559 other thing. I play Vailguard and I see all those 932 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.880 kind of gears trying to turn and lock in unison 933 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.840 and make a game, and the fact that it comes 934 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.000 together holistically and plays like a video game is in 935 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.000 itself a miracle. Like that's I see so many ways 936 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.679 in which this project could have easily fallen apart under 937 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.960 the weight of itself, and in fact, many of the 938 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.920 things they managed to do despite a decade of development 939 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.519 and so much investment and changes within the system is 940 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:53.599 actually kind of like, really really humbling. I think I 941 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.719 was remarking that there's so many options for having dialogues 942 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:03.280 fully voiced style that involve your background, like what race 943 00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.400 you've chosen, what background your Rook comes from, whether you 944 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.519 were working with the Shadow Dragons or the Lord's Fortune 945 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.280 or something like that, and those are all voiced, and 946 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.719 those are all different. Which when you start to think 947 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.920 about how many different voices there are for Rook and 948 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.079 other characters that are responding to it, and then how 949 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.920 many different backgrounds there are, is like they really did 950 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.679 a lot of work to make this happen, to give 951 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.239 you that feeling of role playing that does feel very 952 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.800 central to what BioWare does. And that's the thing, is 953 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.960 why I keep saying I have belief and hope in 954 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.119 the people at BioWare that are still there. It's just 955 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.760 they're they're not in the best situation to make this happen. 956 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.639 Yeah, Well, moving on from a game that feels like 957 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:49.639 it took twenty years to come out to a game 958 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.199 that has already been out for the better part of 959 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:57.119 two decades. Charles, you have been playing the latest edition 960 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.719 to the Nintendo Switch Online plus Expansion Back GameCube Library, 961 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.480 which is Fire Emblem Path of Radiance, a game that 962 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.880 was even though they announced that this would be one 963 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:12.039 of the games in sort of the initial batch when 964 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.440 I announced this the GameCube Library last year, it was 965 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.880 still I don't know, it still felt like something You're like, Oh, 966 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.760 I believe it when I see it, because this is 967 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.320 like one of the better, one of the more beloved 968 00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.719 Fire emblementaries and also one of the more kind of 969 00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:28.880 like sought after in terms of like it always commanded 970 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.400 like really high prices for a physical copy of it. 971 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.079 And I know that because I used to have a 972 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:37.119 physical copy that I sold many years ago for a 973 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.559 pretty penny, and I no longer regret that decision because 974 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.320 now I could just fire this up and play it. 975 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.679 But Charles, you're coming to this for the first time. 976 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:47.519 How have you been enjoying it? 977 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.719 Yeah, I've always wanted to play this game, mainly because 978 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.039 people say it's good and it's like so inaccessible. I've 979 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.039 seen it at stores once or twice, and it's like 980 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.000 always the most expensive game on the shelf. Yeah, I 981 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.159 just pulled up eBay and just the price for the game. 982 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.719 We got two hundred twenty dollars, two hundred eight dollars, 983 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.559 one hundred thirty four dollars. 984 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:16.960 Yeah, I sold mine for I think like three fifty four. 985 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.480 Yeah something, yeah, oh yeah yeah. And this is the 986 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:25.199 first thing that's popped up on eBay. I yeah, it's 987 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.440 it's really expensive. So I've always wanted to check it out, 988 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.679 but I never have. I'm a late later comer to 989 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.960 fire Emblum just in that. My first game was Awakening 990 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:35.960 on the three DS, which is a game I really 991 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:40.320 really like, and it's just interesting to go. 992 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:40.960 Back and play. 993 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.599 It's really it's really interesting. Something I've always appreciated is 994 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:46.480 playing a game in a series and then playing a 995 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.679 game much older in a series and kind of understanding, 996 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.719 like what the through line of that series is versus 997 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.519 what I assume the through lines. 998 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.039 Of a series are. 999 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.159 If I'm Awakening, for example, really built around the like 1000 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.000 support conversations of like your units fight near each other 1001 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:04.880 and then they like have bonds and they grow together. 1002 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.159 Not a thing in Path of Radiance. I don't think 1003 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.000 it's I don't I don't know how many games, if. 1004 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.760 Any it was in pre Awakening there are support systems, 1005 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.280 they're just not as front facing as they've become in 1006 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.440 later games. But as far back as I think Fire 1007 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:26.480 Emblem Blazing Blade, which was fire Emblem like just fire 1008 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.679 Emblem on the Game Boy Advance here, but that's the 1009 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:33.480 seventh overall game, there was definitely like I forget what 1010 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.400 the system was that you use, but there were like 1011 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.440 quote unquoteest here supports and. 1012 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.320 Things like that in there. 1013 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.840 So there should be support conversations in Path of Radiance 1014 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.039 if I remember correctly, gotcha. 1015 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.159 Well, I haven't reached them yet, but it's it's certainly 1016 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.800 not as a prominent as the other ones. 1017 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.199 But in Awakening you can pare units up, right, Like 1018 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.639 that's that's when they started to share an where Yeah, 1019 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.920 and it gets a lot they That's what I mean 1020 00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.840 by like, they make it a lot easier for you 1021 00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.719 to start to do that thing where you're putting units 1022 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.800 together and having them bond in the battlefield, whereas Path 1023 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.320 of Radiance it was there's a lot of weird mechanics 1024 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:14.440 about adjacency and characters getting different stat upgrades or changing 1025 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.440 natures depending on who they're standing next to. That I 1026 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.320 think is kind of I don't see as often in 1027 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.159 newer fire Moms, and I wish there was some of that. 1028 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.360 Yeah. Anyway, so I'm finally checking it out, and I 1029 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.559 met like chapter seven, so I'm not very far in. 1030 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.639 I'm like a few hours in, but I like it 1031 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.440 and I like the story. That's one of the things 1032 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.519 people really like about this game particularly, is they like 1033 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.599 the story a lot. Also, Ike is the main character 1034 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.599 of this game. I know him as many people do 1035 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.159 from Smash Pros, and it's really funny to just see 1036 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.599 a character's Smash Bros move set and try to intuit 1037 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.480 their personality off of that. I think I thought Ike 1038 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.199 was like a jock. Like, I thought he was like 1039 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:02.159 a big meaty like because he's just like the biggest, 1040 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.679 heaviest of the Fire Album characters. 1041 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.119 Yeah, yeah, he's he's this. 1042 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:11.039 I love eating meat. 1043 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.199 That's kind of like what I assumed I was like 1044 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:20.320 knowing only yes, And he's a lot he's very young 1045 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.199 in the game and he's uh just starting out. You're 1046 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.679 you're playing as he's the son of the head of 1047 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:30.000 a mercenary company. Uh. And this is right when these 1048 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.880 countries break out in war and they're trying to like 1049 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.239 decide where to ally themselves at this part in the game. 1050 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.559 And yeah, I really like it. It's really nice on 1051 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.599 the switch. Like Fire Molm to me is a really 1052 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.880 good uh like when when there's like cut scenes and stuff, 1053 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.360 obviously I want to have it up on the TV. 1054 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:49.119 But to me, it's always been a very good like 1055 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:50.880 this is the thing in my hands while I have 1056 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.440 a show up on the TV that I'm like half 1057 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.440 paying attention to, or like a stream on in the background, 1058 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.440 where uh I just like doing the strategy. It feels 1059 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.079 like very left brain is focused on this type of 1060 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:03.960 game and then my right brain is going on with 1061 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:05.239 whatever else is happening. 1062 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.519 Uh yeah, yeah, I think for me too, like those 1063 00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:11.159 games just and not just the series, but just turn 1064 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.800 based strategy. It's just it's made for handles for me. 1065 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.000 Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that. I play them a 1066 00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.360 lot on PC two, But that depends on the game, 1067 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:22.440 you know, like x Com I think of as a 1068 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.559 PC series versus Fire Emblem definitely for me. Game Boy Advance, uh, 1069 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.559 Nintendo three DS, things like that. Path of Radiance was 1070 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.000 a really interesting game when it came out because it 1071 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.119 was the first game to try and ride the kind 1072 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.960 of surging wave of success of Fire and Mom in 1073 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.400 the West, because Trip Down Memory Lane, like Fire and Bloom, 1074 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.800 was not really a series here until Super Smash Bros. 1075 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.559 Melee brought over Roy and Marth and then people were like, 1076 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.519 what's going on there? And Nintendo brought over the Game 1077 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.519 Boy Advance. Guys, I've never heard of them, yeah the 1078 00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.239 first time, which is which is weird because and they 1079 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.360 brought over the game Boy Advance games that didn't have 1080 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.639 Roy in them. They had Ellowwood in seven and then 1081 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.679 the Sacred Stones were a completely different story. 1082 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.679 H we can't stop talking about who. 1083 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.920 Doesn't love Hector? Is Hector and Lynn are the real 1084 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:18.280 stars of seven? Let me tell you. But I I 1085 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.320 think Path of Radiance was for a lot of people 1086 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.840 the game that got them to play. It was also 1087 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.599 on the GameCube, and the GameCube was I think we 1088 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.880 have a lot of rosy nostalgia for the GameCube now, 1089 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.400 but the GameCube at the time was like not the 1090 00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.039 most popular system. This this big tactical RPG. 1091 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:40.519 It had a handle on it. 1092 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:45.719 Yeah, it was at the McDonald's. It was enclosed in 1093 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:51.840 the McDonald's. It's like the most protected you've ever seen 1094 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.679 something it's in like a metal case with plastic all 1095 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.920 around it and the controller is like locked onto the case. 1096 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.920 Yeah, I think Donald's once. 1097 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.800 Yeah, I played Pickmen and Mine. They had pigment on theirs. 1098 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.960 But yeah, like like the GameCube was, you know, kind 1099 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.039 of in need of something like this, like a big, 1100 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.119 meaty RPG that you could dig into, and Fire Emblem 1101 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.840 tried to ride that wave while also doing some different 1102 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.760 things with its story. The Mercenary story is very different 1103 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.599 from a lot of the kind of royalty focused stories previously, 1104 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:26.880 although it does eventually get there anyways, because it's Fire 1105 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.400 and uh it's I think it's a really really fascinating 1106 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.280 game for charting the history of the series and seeing 1107 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.239 because it would it went to GameCube and then to 1108 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.280 we after that, if I remember right was was Radiant 1109 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.000 Dawn and then right back to handhelds and and that 1110 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.800 was kind of where it lived until ultimately the Switch 1111 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.199 came around and was the big the Nintendo thing. Moving 1112 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.639 forward in FIREMLM could finally be on a on a 1113 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.719 console again was a really good deal. 1114 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.480 Also still handheld at the same time. 1115 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.400 Yeah, the beauty of the Switch. Yeah, it's also really 1116 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.400 good timing because we have a new Firemblum coming out 1117 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.239 this year, and I would hope that it takes some 1118 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.519 some lessons from classic fire Emblum. As much as I 1119 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.840 love three Houses, I think a lot of people are 1120 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:18.000 maybe exhausted by the idea of playing another three houses size. 1121 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:20.440 So I was really interested. 1122 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:22.719 Sorry, you go ahead, Marcus. 1123 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.159 Well, I was gonna say, didn't engage kind of steer 1124 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.079 away from at least the like kind of like the 1125 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:28.920 social stuff of three Houses. And it's a little bit 1126 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.239 more of a traditional. 1127 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.960 It's a lot engages, a lot more combat focus. 1128 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:34.199 Yeah, it's more battle. 1129 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.320 Houses at the very least it is, but it has 1130 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.960 a lot of like base support stuff, like I think 1131 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.599 there was. You get a lot of characters and engage, 1132 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.679 and then you also have the ring characters who are 1133 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.239 kind of your fire emblem, all stars that are coming 1134 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.760 in from all the different eras, and you have all 1135 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:53.679 the support stuff with all of them, as well as 1136 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.960 all the training missions and stuff back at the base. 1137 00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:00.000 And it's interesting to go back to something I would 1138 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.000 recently playing Firemlam seven, you know, Firemlum eight on Game 1139 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.119 Boy Advance again, and I was like, there was kind 1140 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:11.239 of a streamlined aspect to those games that even up 1141 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.440 through like fire Emblem, Fates, Conquest and things like that. 1142 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.199 That kind of falls away as you get into the 1143 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.599 Three Houses era and it becomes like, here are the 1144 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.800 raising sim aspects, here's the stats that you're pumping up 1145 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.000 every week and the calendar management that you're doing. That 1146 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.679 was really really good. I love Three Houses, but it 1147 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.039 the idea of doing that again definitely is like it's 1148 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.639 a lot, that's a lot to undertake. 1149 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.480 I found it interesting because I really like like the 1150 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:41.519 startupath Radiance. 1151 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:42.480 I've also. 1152 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.079 For me, like a FIREMM game, it's usually just like 1153 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:48.679 it's not whether or not I'll like it, it's just 1154 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.760 how long it'll hold me for. I think the only 1155 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:57.199 games I've beaten are Awakening and Three Houses, but I've 1156 00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.400 played like four or five others of them for like 1157 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.719 ten to teen hours or whatever before getting bored. But 1158 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.119 I was like, where does where does Path the Radians 1159 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.440 stack up in people's rankings? And I always always look 1160 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.199 up whenever I start getting into a series how people 1161 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.320 rank all the entries in the series. Like a lot 1162 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.639 of times I'm more familiar with how people rank things 1163 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.079 than I actually am with Like, I've never seen a 1164 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.400 Fast and Furious movie, but I'm always looking at how 1165 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.480 people are ranking those things because I'm so curious, like, 1166 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:25.840 how are they different? Are they different? 1167 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:27.880 Is there, Oh, there's a correct answer to what the 1168 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:29.159 best fast movie is? 1169 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.800 Is it faster? 1170 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:30.199 Answer? 1171 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:31.119 Is it Fast five? 1172 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.280 It's Fast five, Kay, that's the best one. 1173 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.559 I ain't seen any of those movies. And I've looked 1174 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.519 this up enough times that I'm like, I think everyone 1175 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:40.639 really likes Fast five. 1176 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:43.760 Fast five is really good. Like it's just if I 1177 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.159 had to show someone one Fast and Furious movie, it's 1178 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:46.400 that one. 1179 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.519 Yeah. I think there's also a consensus on the worst. 1180 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:53.159 Fast movie, is it like I don't know nine or 1181 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.400 something like that, Like after they kind of I was 1182 00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.320 gonna guess too, I think I think that. 1183 00:57:58.360 --> 00:57:59.679 Is the worst one. Well. 1184 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.159 Two, I haven't seen it since it came out, but 1185 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.000 I could see having some like nostalgic fun with two. 1186 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.679 Whereas I think once they got into kind of seven 1187 00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.400 and eight and it just kept going, it was like, Okay, 1188 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.360 now we're we're really like trying to draw water from 1189 00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:20.679 the rock here. Literally in some cases, we're trying to 1190 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:21.920 get water from the rock here. 1191 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.760 Also just makes me want to fire and bloom fast crossover, 1192 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.559 Like I want the fast characters in a fire style game. 1193 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:31.760 You want to raise their bond. 1194 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:34.159 Give Dominic Toretto a battle axe. 1195 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:38.119 Yeah, yeah, agreed, what I. 1196 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.599 Was gonna say. I was curious about how people rate 1197 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.360 a path radiance, and it's very variable. 1198 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.320 They change a lot. 1199 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.000 Also, I don't know the numbers of the games, Like 1200 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.320 it's not in the titles all the time, so a 1201 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.440 lot of people put the numbers of the game, like 1202 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.320 I don't know which Firemblum fourteen is. But that's fine. 1203 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.559 But I was surprised that, like to my knowledge, three 1204 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.880 Houses at the very least was very popular and sold 1205 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.599 very well, and I like it a lot. A lot 1206 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.119 of people liked it a lot. And it's always interesting 1207 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.599 me when you go into like when you don't look 1208 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.280 at Fireman from the outside and it's like, what is 1209 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.360 the fire emblem? Subreddit think most people don't have three 1210 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.280 Houses very high because it's it's not the traditional style 1211 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.119 of game for them. They don't think of that. And 1212 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.000 I think if they don't think of three Houses. 1213 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.000 That's the mainstream normy fire. 1214 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.800 Yeah, that's a whole thing. 1215 00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:31.960 Welcome to the party pal, this is well, this is 1216 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:35.480 also my I was looking up the tomb Raider games 1217 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.840 because I've only played the like reboot trilogy. 1218 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.760 I haven't played any of the older ones, but there's 1219 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.800 a lot of older ones and I was looking it 1220 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.960 up and for whatever reason, expecting I'm like, well, the 1221 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.679 new ones are really good. So everyone have those up 1222 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:48.719 really high, and a lot of people have them like 1223 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.320 at the bottom They're like, I hate these reboots, I 1224 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.840 hate whatever, and I'm just like, as. 1225 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.639 I think they're insane because those old games don't hold 1226 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.760 up as much as I have fondness for. 1227 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.159 Them, so as somebody that does a lot of podcasting 1228 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:11.320 and writing and covering beats that stretch back a fair 1229 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:16.000 number of years, like fighting games and RPGs. Uh, there 1230 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.920 are always the diehards who have a very firm like 1231 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:24.159 this is when the genre peaked and we have lost 1232 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:29.280 our way. I think they can sometimes have a point 1233 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:33.480 but also get a little too much lost in their 1234 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:34.719 own sauce for that. 1235 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:40.239 And it's also incomprehensible water puzzles and those games. 1236 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.840 There there are people here. Here's a fun fact. There 1237 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.679 are people like like when Fall Fantasy sixteen came out 1238 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.199 and people were like, is this Final Fantasy. There were 1239 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.199 people when Final Fantasy seven came out that were like, 1240 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.239 this isn't Final Fantasy. People still yeah, yeah, there are 1241 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.400 still people who believe that every thing posts nests is 1242 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.679 not like Final Fantasy proper and all that. Uh it's 1243 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.880 it's oh boy, it's a deep rabbit hole. When it 1244 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:12.719 comes to fire emblem. For my personal taste, I do 1245 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.760 think Path of Radiance is at least like a top five, 1246 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.639 top six fire emblem. I would put it in that ballpark. 1247 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:20.000 I would have to think harder about my rankings, but 1248 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.519 I do know that like Awakening Sacred Stones, three Houses, uh, 1249 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.519 path of Radiance, and then I don't know, maybe throwing 1250 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.199 like a Shadows of Valentia or something like that, or 1251 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.079 if you want to get like really esoteric, get like 1252 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.000 a Thrashia seven seven six In there. 1253 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:36.880 I was hoping you would say, because I've only beaten 1254 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.039 one fire emblem and no one ever talks about it. 1255 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:42.960 And there was which one Fates? On which one? 1256 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.880 I do? I yea which version of fates? 1257 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:50.599 There's the three Red, the Red Birthright, birth Right. 1258 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.199 Yeah. I don't remember the subtitles, but this is. 1259 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:56.440 This is part of the weirdness with fire emblem, especially 1260 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.559 fates Is and why I personally kind of bounce off 1261 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.679 face even though I did enjoy it when I played it. 1262 01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.480 It's so much to get through, and the three pronged 1263 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.119 in nature that they tried just didn't really make sense 1264 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.719 for what they did. Because there's like birthright, which is 1265 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:15.440 they did the Pokemon thing where it's like, to you 1266 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:18.239 side with this side or this side, but then they also. 1267 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.039 Made it's more distinct than Pokemon at the very least. 1268 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:27.119 Well so, so it's birthright is one side, conquest is 1269 01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.360 the other. And I think one of them is your 1270 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.239 birth family, one of them is your adoptive family. I 1271 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:34.039 always mix up which one is which because it then 1272 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.639 gets really weird because you do then have social links 1273 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.679 with that, and it gets very game of thronesy, and 1274 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.400 and then you have revelations is like the Golden Mouth 1275 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.639 the True Route, and it's like, that's okay, why why 1276 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.199 do that? I know, it's like a it's a visual 1277 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:53.960 novel thing. It's an adventure game thing to do that 1278 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.360 sort of here's the Golden path, here's the True Route. 1279 01:02:56.360 --> 01:03:00.039 Even games like Triangle Strategy recently have done that, but 1280 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.000 it's it's a weird way to lay out your game 1281 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:04.800 and then do it like a Pokemon where you have 1282 01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:08.199 actual different carts and then you have to like, well, 1283 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.039 it was different downloads, and then you had to get 1284 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.360 the special edition card to have all three of them 1285 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.800 on there. It's a whole thing. That's why Fates falls 1286 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.880 off for me. I do love Conquest quite a bit, Okay. 1287 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.360 I was never clear how cool or laying that made 1288 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.000 me with the fire in the community to be like inmates. 1289 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:26.440 And that's the only one I've finished. 1290 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.360 In the rankings, a lot of people had Conquest relatively high, 1291 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.079 and Birthright wasn't as high, and no one talked about. 1292 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:38.400 One. I guess, yeah, I think it's the easier one. 1293 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:44.159 I think it's interesting combat wise, Yes, Conquest. 1294 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:45.719 Is the one that is the most interesting combat wise 1295 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.079 for sure. 1296 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:47.719 Yeah. I don't even know what man in my decision 1297 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:48.559 to choose one or the other. 1298 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.880 Honestly, I also at the time I also picked that one. 1299 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:53.679 For what it's worth. It's like, it's like you were 1300 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.039 raised by an evil family, but you were born to 1301 01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.199 a good family. I'm simplified it was, But Conquest is 1302 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.719 you're like I'm gonna stick with the evil family, and 1303 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.920 Birthright is like I'm gonna go with the my good. 1304 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:09.320 Well, one family wears all like black and purple and 1305 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.639 gold basically, and the other one is kind of wearing 1306 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.000 this like red and white, very like samurai inspired armor 1307 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.480 and stuff like that, and then the other one is 1308 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.199 the route where you just ignore all of that and 1309 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:25.920 do something else and golden path. It I didn't to. 1310 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:27.480 Like to round it out. I did want to say 1311 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.679 that part of my moral of a story here with 1312 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.039 like bringing up all these like different comparisons of like 1313 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.880 within the Firemlum community, people don't like this popular one 1314 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:40.360 or that just being a regular thing, a thing that 1315 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.480 as like a games writer, I try to remember is 1316 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:49.559 like trying really hard to not be as influenced by 1317 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:53.360 outside perspectives or like what is the legacy of this 1318 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.480 thing and not necessarily think of like is this a 1319 01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:58.679 good blank game? And more just like is it a 1320 01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.360 good game? Do I like it? Does it connect with me? 1321 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:02.639 Because it's very. 1322 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.920 Easy to get bought like of again, another example of 1323 01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:07.039 Classical and his people in the Zella community don't like 1324 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.599 Breath of the Wild, and it's like that's like one 1325 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.639 of the best games of all time, and it doesn't 1326 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.639 do a lot of things old Zelda games did, but 1327 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.199 it's still a very good game. And we could evaluate 1328 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.239 it based on like how similar is it in the 1329 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:21.079 way a lot of people value plow games, is like, well, 1330 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.039 how similar is this the ockrene of time? Because if 1331 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:24.760 it's not similar, then it's not a very good game, 1332 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:25.920 because that's the perfect game. 1333 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.920 When will When will a game finally make me young 1334 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.719 again so I can experience wonder and whimsy? That's that's 1335 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:32.760 why it didn't. 1336 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.119 Come out in nineteen ninety eight, So I'm not really 1337 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:35.960 a fan of it. 1338 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.159 This game came out when I was a smaller person 1339 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:41.840 who understood less of the world and had troubles on 1340 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:43.960 their mind. And really, if a game can't do that, 1341 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:45.719 then what are we doing? Exactly? 1342 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.400 All this is to say, I do like Path Radians. 1343 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.599 I'm gonna keep playing it. I will see if it 1344 01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.920 becomes the third fire Emblem game I reached the end of. 1345 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:57.719 But even if it's not, I like, I always like 1346 01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:59.679 those fifteen hours I get to play of a. 1347 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:05.159 Firearm game I have no time. Yeah, well awesome, Well 1348 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.000 we're gonna spin off of that discussion because we're gonna 1349 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.239 take a quick break and then come back and we're 1350 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.880 going to discuss the state of subscription service is, including 1351 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.800 a Nintendo Switch Online. We'll be right back. 1352 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.960 Welcome back to the Game Informer Show. We are now 1353 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.519 going to talk about a little bit of pivot. I 1354 01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.440 wanted to bring this topic up because it's something I've 1355 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:29.840 been thinking about kind of in like it's the new year, 1356 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:34.960 I'm kind of wanting to, you know, trim trim my 1357 01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:37.519 finances a little bit. And it's like, do I really 1358 01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.159 need to be paying for all these things that I'm 1359 01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:41.280 paying for? Because I'm paying for a lot of things, 1360 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.920 and as always, i'd like to be paying for the last. 1361 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.760 So I was just gonna talk about like the state 1362 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.679 of specifically video game subscriptions, and this is stuff like 1363 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:57.119 the Big three, like Nintendo, PlayStation, Xbox, they're big subscriptions, 1364 01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:59.360 but then also like smaller things we might be paying for. 1365 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:01.480 And I almost just curious of like the kinds of 1366 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.360 things Marcus or Eric are like, you know what, this 1367 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.199 is worth me paying some kind of like niche thing. 1368 01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.280 It's like this is worth me subscribing for or not 1369 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:14.039 subscribing for, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, first off, 1370 01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.000 game Pass, are you guys subscribed to Xbox game Pass? 1371 01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:25.559 I am, However, at least with my current subscription disclaimer, 1372 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:30.679 it was provided by Microsoft for media press reason, so 1373 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:32.960 that we can so that we have access to and 1374 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.440 in case we want to, you know, day one releases 1375 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:38.320 whatever play for like work stuff. But before that I 1376 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:42.800 had been paying for it pretty much NonStop since pretty 1377 01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:44.480 much since this exception. Actually I'm trying to think. I 1378 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.360 don't think I've ever let it lapse ever since they 1379 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:47.159 started doing it. 1380 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:51.639 I I did have it lapsed for a hot minute, 1381 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:55.280 and then I also this is this is like right 1382 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.400 when game and Former started back up, So Eric wasn't here, 1383 01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.639 but we all got game Pass like one year of 1384 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.519 game Pass code. So sorry Eric for being excluded for now. 1385 01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:07.360 I'm good. I'm going to say something bold here. I 1386 01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:10.280 did have game Pass for I think up until about 1387 01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:16.359 this year, maybe around January February. I cut it, and 1388 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.319 that was a cost saving thing, but also it made 1389 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:23.720 me realize how little I actually used it. Yeah, because 1390 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:26.600 I mean number one, like, I already owned most of 1391 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.960 the games that were on the service that I cared 1392 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.520 about in the first place. Like I bought the Halo 1393 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.920 master Chief Collection when it came out. I bought Halo 1394 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.079 Infinite when it came out, Like I wasn't really using 1395 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.600 those avenues to play those games in the first place. 1396 01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:45.000 But then also, I it is you know, quote unquote 1397 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:46.840 best value in gaming and all that kind of stuff. 1398 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:51.119 But it kind of made me realize that paying a 1399 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:52.720 lot of money for a lot of games that I 1400 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:56.520 might play one day is not always the best thing 1401 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.680 and made me kind of personally reconfigure the way I 1402 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.359 think about having access to games versus owning games and 1403 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.640 playing said games. So, yeah, that game Pass was the 1404 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:10.960 start of that for me, which will probably dovetail into 1405 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.720 what we're going to be talking about for all this segment. 1406 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:18.319 Yeah, I I I have definitely had it laps at times, 1407 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:21.840 and then I've gotten it back. I've tried to specifically 1408 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:23.840 when I'm paying for game Pass because it does cost 1409 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:25.840 so much money. Now it's just a thing to me 1410 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.359 of like I'll just be default unsubscribed. And then if 1411 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.640 there's a pattern of like two or three games on 1412 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:33.960 game Pass coming out at once, or it's like one 1413 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.319 is coming out and I'm like, oh, I wanted to 1414 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:37.680 play these other ones. That's when I'll be I'll treat 1415 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:39.920 it as like a purchase basically, and be like, I'll 1416 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:41.680 buy a month of game Pass to play the games 1417 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:43.680 that I want to play. There's no reason in being 1418 01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:45.520 subscribed if there's going to be like months at a 1419 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.560 time that I'm not spending any money. But also it's 1420 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:52.640 so expensive now the prices I got them pulled up here, 1421 01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.920 so game Pass Essential. Also they keep changing the names, 1422 01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:58.319 which is confusing. There used to be game Pass Core 1423 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:00.760 and then they changed it, and then the Premium, and 1424 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:02.079 then they added Ultimate or. 1425 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.560 Maybe Microsoft naming things in a confusion. 1426 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.840 Fact you're excited to boot up cob pilot office. 1427 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:12.640 Yeah, im possible. 1428 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:18.880 So the Essential tier is ten bucks a month and 1429 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:21.880 it gets you fifty plus games, it says, I don't 1430 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.800 know how many games that is on Xbox PC and support. 1431 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:27.960 It's more than it's probably probably fifty one. You can 1432 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:32.359 also stream games, including some games that you own, so 1433 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.159 you can't stream all the games you own. You can 1434 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.359 stream I think the game Pass games you can play online. 1435 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:41.319 There's some rewards thing and then you get benefits for it, says, 1436 01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:43.760 games like League of Legends and Call Duty War Zone. 1437 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:45.800 That's like a pretty standard thing. They started adding in 1438 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.800 little goodies to be like justify the price increase in 1439 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.159 my mind, But it's also kind of like a marketing 1440 01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:54.720 thing to me. Of like, it's nice if you're already 1441 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:57.199 playing you know, Warzone and you were subscribed to game Pass, 1442 01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.680 but to me, it's more of a like a way 1443 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.760 for both of those audiences to advertise to the other. 1444 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.079 That's the weird part for me was it was kind 1445 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.399 of a big deal when Riot made the deal with 1446 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.640 Xbox to say, so, if you have game Pass, you 1447 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.159 have access to every League of Legends champion, you have 1448 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.760 access to I think all the Valorant Agents and things 1449 01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:21.920 like that. But the power users who were going to 1450 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.840 take advantage of that in the first place probably already 1451 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.760 had access to the majority of characters that they wanted 1452 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:31.279 to play as in the first place. Funny enough, it 1453 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:33.439 made it kind of annoying because I would go play 1454 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:35.960 a mode called a ram all random all middle in 1455 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.239 League of Legends, and it would random me into a 1456 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.239 character that I didn't like, or I didn't previously own 1457 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.439 and had never played before. I'd be like, I don't 1458 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.479 want to play this character. I want to play ash, 1459 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:46.960 I want to play in Italy, I want to play 1460 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:47.800 somebody who's good. 1461 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:48.560 In a RAM. 1462 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:55.039 Yeah, and introduced a new dynamic there. But yeah, it's 1463 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.359 it's access to a lot of things. But then I 1464 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.720 always ended up questioning like I was paying a lot 1465 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.159 of money and that was even before the price increase 1466 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:08.600 for access to games that I wasn't always playing. And 1467 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.680 they also adjusted the way that new games were going 1468 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.760 onto it too, so you kind of lost that benefit. 1469 01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.560 Yeah, So to that note, then there's the Premium tier, 1470 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.399 which is fifteen bucks a month, so five more bucks 1471 01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.760 a month. This is two hundred games on these devices. 1472 01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.880 And then this one gets you new Xbox games within 1473 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.159 twelve months of launch. So they had like a day 1474 01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:33.159 one on game Pass thing, and then they split it 1475 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:36.640 into tiers another kind of like breaking down when you 1476 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:39.760 get it. The main one that they want you to 1477 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:41.920 get it used to just be what game Pass was 1478 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.479 is now the Ultimate tier. It has the full Library, 1479 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.560 which says is five hundred plus games if there's a 1480 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.920 first party Xbox game, and just you know, all of 1481 01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:55.560 all of that. The Microsoft, Activision, Blizzard, whatever entails it 1482 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:59.159 decides to do that. That's all on day one on Ultimate. 1483 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:04.880 It all so includes Fortnite, Crew, EA Play, and Ubisoft 1484 01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.960 Plus Classics. You can stream games, and it says it 1485 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.960 has the shortest weight times. Notice how the lowest tier 1486 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.439 didn't mention the weight times. But there are theoretically wait 1487 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.960 times you're trying to stream stuff and then all the 1488 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:20.920 other stuff that they mentioned. But that's thirty dollars a month, 1489 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:23.600 which when they increased that price, I remember being like, 1490 01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:25.680 that's crazy, and it's still like every time I see it, 1491 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.520 I'm like, that's so much money. 1492 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.800 I should make it clear too that when they increased 1493 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.079 the price, we had already gotten our like press game 1494 01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.720 Pass subscriptions, and I remember thinking the sun God for that, 1495 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:40.720 because that would have been, Yeah, that would have been 1496 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:46.600 when I canceled my game pass. Yeah yeah, yeah, I can't. No, 1497 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:47.479 I'm not doing that. 1498 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:50.800 I think that's more money than I've paid for any 1499 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:55.199 other subscription monthly service that was not like a phone 1500 01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:56.279 bill or something. 1501 01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:56.520 Yeah. 1502 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.560 Yeah, there's no there's no like t like, none of 1503 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:03.159 the TV streaming services cost anywhere near that. 1504 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:06.239 Well, I mean them together, Well, okay, if you if 1505 01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:10.479 you get the big bundle, if you get really was 1506 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:12.840 a Disney Plus ESPN stuff like that. 1507 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.760 That's the exact bundle that I currently pay for each month. 1508 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.239 Because WU moved the ESPN. I was like, oh, I 1509 01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.319 have to have that now to watch the pay per views. 1510 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:22.479 Damn it. They decided to move from the super cheap 1511 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:23.239 peacock to this. 1512 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:27.560 Remember remember when it was like everything was on cable 1513 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:31.079 packages and everybody complained about cable packages. And then we 1514 01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.960 got streaming and everyone was like, oh, we love streaming, 1515 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:36.600 this is great, this is the future. And then streaming 1516 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.000 killed the cable package and then became it and and 1517 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:44.760 now we're all standing there on Moustafar yelling down at Netflix. 1518 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:46.119 You were the chosen one. 1519 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.720 I don't even thinks this is a tangent, but it's 1520 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:52.199 just the problem is that everyone started making a streaming service. 1521 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:53.039 Mm hmm. 1522 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:54.920 You know, it made more sense when they were like 1523 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.520 a handful of them, but now everyone has one, so 1524 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.600 then inevitably they're gonna get balled out by someone else 1525 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:04.000 and then get bundled, or they're gonna start talking to 1526 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.359 each other and say, hey, let's help each other out. 1527 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:07.319 Let's let's bundle each other. We could do that. 1528 01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:10.880 I also don't think it's not Netflix's fault, like I 1529 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:11.880 think I think they should. 1530 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.079 I think they have some game in there, but. 1531 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:16.359 I mean by existing, it's their fault. Yeah. 1532 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:19.399 Yeah, it's one of the larger scapegoats in the herd. 1533 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:21.520 Let's put it that way. Yeah, if there's a herd 1534 01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:24.159 of goats, of scape goats that we can point at, 1535 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:25.720 it's one of the larger goats. 1536 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.199 And then I guess we can blame them for for 1537 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.760 game Pass too, because game Pass was built. It's like, 1538 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.560 this is the Netflix a game, the Netflix of video games. 1539 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:37.439 Yeah yeah, uh anyway, so that's that's like I think 1540 01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:39.840 when people talk about a game subscription, this is the 1541 01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.720 one that's in the news the most, like that we 1542 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:45.880 would cover the most. It was kind of the quintessential, 1543 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.560 Like just the concept of this was so I think 1544 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.399 ridiculous when it was announced that people like. 1545 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:52.760 Remember the three when it was announced and everyone was 1546 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.079 like buying up game Pass descriptions when they have that 1547 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.239 weird loopholear were like you can get like you can 1548 01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:00.000 stack multiple years for like a dollar or five dollars. Yeah, 1549 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.399 but I remember being at Eddie three and all my 1550 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.479 media friends being like I'm buying so much game yes, yes, 1551 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.159 right now because this is like an incredible value. 1552 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.399 Yeah, I remember this is and I think, I think 1553 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.199 to our point, so we're talking about like playing it 1554 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.319 or not playing it with game Pass, I think the 1555 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.319 ideal situation for game Pass, if you want to actually 1556 01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.840 get the most value out of it, is for someone 1557 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:28.520 that is new to video games getting an Xbox Series 1558 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.319 S and like the premium game Pass subscription, which is 1559 01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.159 like the middle tier UH and Xbox Series S is 1560 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.439 a way to be like, I've not played video games before. 1561 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:39.840 This is gonna be more games than I. 1562 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:45.359 Could possibly want on a relatively cheap console, and I 1563 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:47.319 don't have to commit to anything right away, and it's 1564 01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:50.039 a good way to like test out what you're interested 1565 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:54.520 in and is a relatively and now it's all obviously 1566 01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.960 getting more and more expensive, relatively low barrier to entry 1567 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.279 to try a lot of stuff out. Once you are 1568 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.039 like at our spot, or you're just someone that's played 1569 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:04.720 games for a while, or you're someone that has been 1570 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.560 subscribed to game Pass for a while, it does get 1571 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.760 to a point where it's like the back library isn't 1572 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:13.720 as important as the new stuff that's coming out, And 1573 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.159 when it's thirty dollars a month, It's not that crazy 1574 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.159 to be like, I'll just wait and buy the three 1575 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.680 you know, seventy dollars games a year that I actually 1576 01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:22.960 want to play the day that they come out, and 1577 01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.960 it'll end up being you know, less than or similar 1578 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:29.319 to whatever the cost of what game Pass was. It's 1579 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.640 not necessarily something that it's like a must have like 1580 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:32.000 I think. 1581 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:35.399 It used to be, or like it's weird. It's it's 1582 01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:38.600 game Pass is almost kind of benefiting from the rising 1583 01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:40.760 prices of games now because now games are starting to 1584 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.520 become like new releases are hitting eighty dollars, so it's 1585 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.359 making by default, game Pass look even more like a value. 1586 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:49.520 Even if it did, or at least the highest tier 1587 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:52.199 got bumped up the thirty dollars, that's still fifty dollars 1588 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.960 less than like what is going forward to be the 1589 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.840 standard price for a first party Xbox game, because last 1590 01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.880 year was when they started saying, hey, going forward, all 1591 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:02.720 of our big games are going to be eighty bucks. 1592 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:05.760 That's just you know, it's just what we're doing now. 1593 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.319 So it's like, yeah, I can still buy if I 1594 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.920 want to play Gears of War E day, it is 1595 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.159 still much cheaper to like, I'm just gonna pay thirty 1596 01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:15.199 bucks for a month of game Pass than to buy 1597 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:18.319 this outright, assuming that you don't care about actually owning 1598 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:22.439 the game, which, at least increasingly as the generations get younger, 1599 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:24.279 that seems to be less and less of a concern 1600 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.079 for most players of like, I don't really care about 1601 01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:28.640 owning my games, or at least they think they don't care. 1602 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:30.640 Maybe they think because some people think that they own it, 1603 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.199 but then they're like, you actually don't. 1604 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.880 But I'm gonna I'm going to push lightly back on 1605 01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:39.079 this because there has been a surge and and it's 1606 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.039 it's worth looking this up a lot of like like 1607 01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.359 the youngest generation right now, Like I know what we're 1608 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.439 on now is alpha Yeah. 1609 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:47.000 Uh. 1610 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.279 Yeah, what we're talking about, Like. 1611 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:52.840 Even even in zoomer culture and things like that, there 1612 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:57.760 has been a rising sentiment of owning media where physical 1613 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:01.000 MP three players have come back. Physics cameras that are 1614 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.159 separate from your phone camera are big right now. Film 1615 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:11.439 cameras are big again. They're they're genuinely because of the connectedness. 1616 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:15.039 And I do think that then dovetails into streaming, where 1617 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.159 one thing that I think across the board, we're going 1618 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:20.640 to talk about as we get into other subscription services, 1619 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:23.960 is that a lot of them promised the idea of 1620 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:28.880 an expansive catalog, but that catalog doesn't go as far 1621 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:31.479 back or as deep as you would think or hope 1622 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.720 it would, especially from platform holders that would theoretically have 1623 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:39.720 better access and availability to this stuff. Like there's a 1624 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.720 lot of games that for a while, I actually think 1625 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.239 Microsoft was being really good about this and putting a 1626 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.239 lot of games out there that were like, Hey, here's 1627 01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:50.000 an updated version that's going to run better on Xbox 1628 01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:53.119 Series X, and it's going to be really awesome. I mean, 1629 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.520 you know, our our friend Wesley, Well, we'll tell you 1630 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.159 all about how Final Fantasy thirteen runs on the Xbox 1631 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:04.720 Series X, like Cowskim Home. But there's been a lesser 1632 01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.079 surge of that over the years, and it's really changed 1633 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.199 a lot of my feelings on this stuff, because initially 1634 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:14.000 I was like, oh, subscription services can provide some funding 1635 01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:19.239 and some like carrot reasons for the publishers to want 1636 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.439 to put their back catalog out there, to want to 1637 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:25.000 support this stuff. And instead that hasn't really been happening 1638 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.640 as often. It's slowed down a lot and that's been 1639 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:28.479 a bummer to see. 1640 01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:31.960 I wonder because we're we're in a unique position of, 1641 01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.399 you know, working in games media, which necessitates having to 1642 01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:39.920 spend most of our time focusing on like the latest 1643 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:42.720 and greatest releases, Like we don't really have the luxury 1644 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.760 to dive into our backlogs as often as maybe we would, like, 1645 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:49.039 do you guys think if you weren't doing this job 1646 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:51.119 and you weren't beholden too having to keep up with 1647 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:54.840 everything new, would game Pass be more enticing? Because for me, 1648 01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.840 I rarely find myself playing it, mainly because I'm so like, well, 1649 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.840 I always have something new I have to be playing 1650 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.479 or want to be playing that. It's very rare for 1651 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.079 me to just be like, oh it's in a game 1652 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:07.600 Pass libry, Oh I've played this, I'm gonna install this 1653 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:10.720 and play this, just because it's just it's harder for 1654 01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:13.640 me to find the time. But if I did not 1655 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.600 have that, I feel like I would be more likely 1656 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:18.319 to be like, because there is things in that library, 1657 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:19.840 it was like, hey, I would I would love to 1658 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:21.239 sit down and play it as I've been It's been 1659 01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:23.520 on my list, you know, for a while, and it's 1660 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.600 just here, but man, where would I find the time? 1661 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.359 You know that kind of thing, And I wonder how 1662 01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:32.239 much this job sort of affects at least sort of 1663 01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:34.840 like the back catalog of game Pass, how often you're 1664 01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:36.640 you're diving into it. 1665 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:41.840 So I don't remember what year it was because when 1666 01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:45.880 game Pass was like announced, I fully didn't understand. I 1667 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:49.039 think I saw enough headlines because I was I was 1668 01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:50.479 like what in high school. I don't know a year 1669 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.319 it came out, but I was not like I was 1670 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:56.359 certainly not working in games media, and it was a 1671 01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:58.720 thing I wasn't really paying attention to. And remember one 1672 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.439 day being like, Okay, what ily is this? Oh this 1673 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.600 is crazy. I can just have a bunch of games 1674 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:06.800 if I pay one dollar. And then I did initially 1675 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.079 do that, like I played a bunch of specifically that's 1676 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:13.000 how we played Dead Cells for the first time. There's 1677 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.079 specifically a lot of like indie games that I wouldn't 1678 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.680 have I wouldn't have gone out and spent the full 1679 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:19.760 price on without knowing what they were and was able 1680 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:25.119 to like try them out. I think nowadays I it's 1681 01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:29.399 less appealing, probably because I do have that games media 1682 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:31.560 where I'm playing the newest thing a lot of the time, 1683 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:33.920 or I know about the latest thing, and so when 1684 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:37.800 you know, like Resident Evil Village just came to game 1685 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:41.039 Pass and I or is coming soon. I can't remember 1686 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:43.079 exactly what date it comes out to game Pass, but 1687 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:45.399 that was one I just played because I was doing 1688 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.159 on the backlog over the winter break. I was just 1689 01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:50.640 going through these Resident Evil games for whatever reason. Perfect 1690 01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:52.239 example of a thing that like a lot of Game 1691 01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:54.319 Reformer staff played when it came out because it was 1692 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.760 like one of the big games at the time that 1693 01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:59.680 someone might be like, oh, I missed this at the time. 1694 01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:04.279 Uh so, yeah, I don't know if it's we'll get 1695 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:06.399 into some of the other services in a second. I 1696 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:08.479 don't know if I would be on game Pass specifically. 1697 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.199 I think there's other services that are more specific to 1698 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:12.760 the types of games that I would play in the 1699 01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.640 way that I play them. But I do think it 1700 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.920 is more appealing if you're not obsessed with the next 1701 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:25.359 biggest thing. Also because Microsoft and Xbox like so rarely 1702 01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.399 is what I would consider like the big game of 1703 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.399 the time, like actually coming out on game Pass, like 1704 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.359 a lot of times it's on other platforms to me 1705 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:33.840 or not exclusive to that. 1706 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:36.279 I asked, because I have a friend who is not 1707 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.279 in the industry, but it's like a hardcore gamer. Like 1708 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.640 we play games together a lot, and he is like 1709 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:43.640 the opposite. We're like he is the game pass person 1710 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.399 or like he is always downloading stuff, and he keeps 1711 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.800 track of what's coming and going, and he'll if he 1712 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.199 sees like the list of what's leaving this month, he'll 1713 01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:53.359 like go out of his way to play it. Yeah, yeah, 1714 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:55.600 because like, oh I haven't played this one. I don't 1715 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:57.239 know when it's coming back. I better get to it. 1716 01:23:57.279 --> 01:23:58.880 So like and again, he is someone that is not 1717 01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:00.920 behold into keeping up the new stuff. In fact, he 1718 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:03.640 kind of he only plays like a few new things, 1719 01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:05.560 or at least like he doesn't. He only plays like 1720 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:07.560 a few of like what would be like the new 1721 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:12.359 games that year each year. I guess. So he's leaving 1722 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.239 he's living sort of the like charms of non games 1723 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:18.399 media civilian life of like, wow, that must be nice 1724 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:20.800 to just you're just gonna play those old stuff whenever 1725 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:23.079 you want what and you just have this library of 1726 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:25.720 weird things that either look cool or like I don't 1727 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:27.479 know who this is, but I'm just gonna try because 1728 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:28.399 I can do that. 1729 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:32.840 I think to my point earlier about like fandoms of 1730 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:36.800 specific games kind of wharping what someone might think that 1731 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.159 like the opinions of a game are. I think I 1732 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.319 think every games media person needs to have at least 1733 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.399 a few people in their lives that play games regularly 1734 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.159 that like do not pay attention to like the discourse 1735 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.319 or like what's popular or whatever. Yeah, just to be like, oh, yeah, 1736 01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:55.079 this is what this is what people actually care about, 1737 01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:57.000 or what a different type of person than what I'm 1738 01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:59.399 used to interacting with actually character It's like, this is what. 1739 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:03.199 Is really the jordy of like the world the gaming 1740 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:05.880 world kind of behaves of, Like if you get out 1741 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:10.920 of our ultimately small media enthusiast bubble and get more 1742 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:13.960 to like here's like the average gamer more. 1743 01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:17.920 Or less, you know, like there's there's different levels of involvement, 1744 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.119 and I think, yeah, the important thing I would note 1745 01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:24.600 there is people who definitely are not like they're enthusiasts, 1746 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:26.560 but they're also so one of my friends that I 1747 01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:30.680 won't name you by name, but he's he's got kids 1748 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:32.359 and and he's he's got a wife and all that, 1749 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.680 he's got a got a home life, and so he's 1750 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.239 definitely a gaming enthusiast, but a lot of the stuff 1751 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.279 he plays is stuff that he can either kind of 1752 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:42.279 hop in for just a round or two, or something 1753 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.439 that he can pause and step away from. So he 1754 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.720 plays Rim World. He was playing Tarkov for a long time. 1755 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:50.319 I think he got into Arc Graders when that came out. 1756 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:52.840 But he likes just kind of stuff that he can 1757 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:55.199 also play at his PC, because that's like kind of 1758 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:57.720 his his bastion, you know, it is where he can 1759 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.600 go and have his time and then come back out 1760 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.439 and do family stuff versus like another one of my 1761 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:05.479 friends who is traveling all the time, and so he 1762 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:08.760 likes stuff on his switch on his handheld because he 1763 01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.239 travels for work, and so he tends to just play 1764 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.720 whatever random games kind of catch his attention on the switch. 1765 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:18.439 And so I do think for for what's worth having 1766 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:20.960 those kind of dowsing rods to say, like, what what 1767 01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:24.800 do people do when they're not just trying to always 1768 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:27.800 play the new thing and be plugged into every single 1769 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:29.880 stream that comes out and stuff like that. Is One 1770 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.439 of my other friends like would just play Final Fantasy 1771 01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:37.000 Tactics on his phone all the time. Like that was 1772 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:38.720 the game he played was he would just do a 1773 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:42.279 new run of Tactics and then Evelise Chronicles came out. 1774 01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.319 He was like, sick, I'm gonna play Evilise Chronicles all 1775 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:46.439 the time on my switch. 1776 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:46.760 Now. 1777 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:49.640 I love that. I love that for him. 1778 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:52.800 The people usually have like their one game and it's 1779 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:55.520 like a live service game or like a shooter or something, 1780 01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:57.479 and he's like, nah. 1781 01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.880 If you're gonna pick one game, Final Fancy Tactics is 1782 01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:02.600 a hell of a game. 1783 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.399 Have you ever read that? Like Will Wright, I remember 1784 01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:09.960 in an interview like forever Ago, talked about his daily 1785 01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:14.800 routine and how he started every day by playing Advanced Wars. 1786 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.199 He said that was so funny. Ritual. He wakes up 1787 01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:20.079 and he plays Advanced Wars because he said it helps 1788 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:21.760 him get his brain going. 1789 01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:26.000 Yeah, that's me in the sixth grade. That's literally me 1790 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:30.000 in the sixth grade morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wake up, 1791 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.880 clock in. It's time to move tanks. 1792 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.520 All right, Well, I'm gonna move on to the next 1793 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.840 next service and we'll I'll pick up the pace a 1794 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:40.319 little bit. I want to spend a little more time 1795 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:41.720 in game Pass because it kind of a big one. 1796 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.039 Next up, we have PlayStation Plus. This is the one 1797 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:48.800 that most recently I have spent the most time subscribed 1798 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:52.920 to because I specifically only play on my PS five. 1799 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:54.880 I don't boot up my Xbox very often. I don't 1800 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:56.560 know why. At PS five is just the one that 1801 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.920 I've I've locked on to. Place in Plus is sent 1802 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.560 choll uh. First of all, gives you online multiplayer. A 1803 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:04.880 lot of these are you kind of need to have 1804 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.159 online multiplayer, which is a very console thing, not really 1805 01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:13.600 like a PC thing. It also has uh cloud storage 1806 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:18.680 for like your save data and stuff. It has a 1807 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.600 feature called share play, which I didn't realize was a 1808 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:24.439 thing that it had, where basically you can get someone else, 1809 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.760 uh to like work into your console. And so that's 1810 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:32.119 the way you can do like sorry, that's that's the 1811 01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:33.239 verb they always use. 1812 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:37.479 That fan bye, That's that's I've never thought of it 1813 01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:38.159 like that, but. 1814 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:51.279 I honest to god, I learned that. Also, if you're familiar, 1815 01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:53.520 war working is a thing in Game of Thrones where 1816 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:58.119 you you basically project your consciousness into an animal. And 1817 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.199 this in this case, where you're projecting your console's consciousness 1818 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:02.319 into another concert. 1819 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:04.159 Your eyes roll behind your head as you're like, hey, no, 1820 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:05.399 God War real quick. 1821 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.560 But it's like it's like a remote play where like 1822 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:09.600 you're both playing on the same console, and I think 1823 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:11.600 you can use it to do like local co op 1824 01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:13.640 stuff from online. 1825 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.159 Yeah, and that was. 1826 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:18.159 Yeah, I think that might have been how I played 1827 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:18.800 a way out. 1828 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:22.000 That's yeah, that's a perfect example. 1829 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:24.479 Of one of those anyways. 1830 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:24.840 Uh. 1831 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:27.880 And then they also have monthly free games, so if 1832 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.520 you're just subscribed to Places of Plus Essential tier, you 1833 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.319 just got like three or four games every month, and 1834 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.640 they're usually a mix of PS four and PS five games, 1835 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:38.840 though recently they might have phased out the PS four 1836 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:40.319 I don't really pay attention because I only play in 1837 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:42.640 PS five. But that's also a fun thing of me, 1838 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:44.840 just one of the reasons I don't use game Pass 1839 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.439 as much anymore, because I'm like, huh, that game, I 1840 01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:48.479 wonder if I just own it? 1841 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:49.039 Oh I do. 1842 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:51.600 It was a PlayStation Plus a free game they gave 1843 01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:54.680 out in like November of twenty twenty two, and I've 1844 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:57.119 been subscribed since then, and I guess I own that game, 1845 01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.279 and that's that's something I like about it. I recently 1846 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.199 have unsubscribed just because I forgot to re up it. 1847 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:09.199 But yeah, are either of you PS plus users? Eric 1848 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:11.520 made a face that I feel like he definitely is not. 1849 01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:14.840 I know I am, and you reminded me I need 1850 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:20.039 to turn it off because I I literally only sub 1851 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.279 to it when I need it for a multiplayer and 1852 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.560 that's really frustrating for me because I used to use 1853 01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:31.680 the cloud save option sometimes but it really wasn't a 1854 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:33.960 thing that I ever got around to all that often, 1855 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:37.920 and it's the multiplayer requirement that can be coming back. 1856 01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:39.439 I mean, it was nice to get gendre Arc for 1857 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:42.000 free when they re released that for PS four. That 1858 01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.760 was sick. We all love gendre Arc around here, but 1859 01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:48.279 I've never I've never heard of it, but I probably 1860 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:52.319 own it, you know. It's like, yeah, it's it's it's 1861 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.640 fire emblem. But Joan of Arc and she was if 1862 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.079 she was a power Ranger. It's it's awesome. It's really 1863 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:00.600 good high record. 1864 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:01.199 I'm sold. 1865 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:07.119 But honestly, like again, the PS plus titles kind of 1866 01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:09.439 dried up for me over the years. 1867 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:09.920 And. 1868 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.640 I really wholly especially like once I started playing on 1869 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:19.159 PC again, which was I think I built my gaming 1870 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:22.920 PC around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, and then kind of 1871 01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:26.760 gradually moved everything over as the console generations went on, 1872 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:29.880 to the point that, like, by twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, 1873 01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:31.680 I was playing most stuff on either my PC or 1874 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:33.720 my switch. I still am to this day mostly play 1875 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:37.319 on other PC or switch. And it gets really annoying 1876 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:38.800 when you have that moment of Oh, I want to 1877 01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:41.760 play night Rain with my friends, but I have to 1878 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:44.960 pay money to do it, even though if I just 1879 01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:47.720 bought this, if we all bought this on Steam, we 1880 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:50.239 wouldn't have that. We wouldn't have to do that, And 1881 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:55.840 that's very frustrating, to be honest, and I kind of 1882 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.000 wish that wasn't in the equation for any of these services, 1883 01:31:59.039 --> 01:31:59.880 even the ones I like. 1884 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.760 There's so there's some that are like exempt from it. 1885 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:05.680 Like I'm pretty sure I think it's a fairly so. Yeah, 1886 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:07.479 the box like Fortnite, you don't have to pay any 1887 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:07.880 money for. 1888 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:13.520 Yeah, there are games that get exceptions. Yeah, interesting to 1889 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:17.079 note which ones get exceptions and which ones don't, is 1890 01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:22.560 what I will say. But it's definitely like, I think 1891 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.920 that's just a bummer. And also it's just I don't 1892 01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:28.520 use it for anything else, and it doesn't give me 1893 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.680 value anywhere else, because again I'm not really dipping. I 1894 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:34.319 will say that Sony's retro catalog is pretty decent, so 1895 01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.520 when we get into those later tiers, they do get 1896 01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:39.880 into some games that I think they do plumb the 1897 01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:43.600 depths a little bit more in ways that ape appealed 1898 01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:43.800 to me. 1899 01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.319 Yeah, I guess for me, I've had PS plus sins 1900 01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:50.119 this inception because for most of my pretty much I've 1901 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.720 owned every PlayStation console, and from the PS one onwards 1902 01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:57.920 it became my primary console of choice. So when PSN started, 1903 01:32:57.960 --> 01:32:59.159 I was like, well, yeah, I'm going to get this 1904 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:01.319 because at the time I I've not gotten a three 1905 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:04.439 sixty yet, so I was like, this is my online 1906 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:07.039 game machines, this PlayStation. I also was not a PC 1907 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:10.840 gamer for the majority of my life, so I'm just 1908 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.520 sort of like I've just had it. It's just been 1909 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:15.960 a legacy subscription, you know. It's the oldest one that 1910 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:19.119 I've had of all the other ones. And when PS 1911 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:20.960 plus started doing a free games thing, I was like, oh, 1912 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:23.319 this is incredible. They were like one of the first 1913 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:25.520 ones to ever do it, if not the first of Like, 1914 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.720 here's free games to sweeten the pot. Because the Xbox 1915 01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:30.760 Live wasn't doing that they. 1916 01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.279 Did, there was, there was Games with Gold. 1917 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.920 Did they start doing the free games of Gold before 1918 01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:39.840 PSN started doing it or after? 1919 01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:43.520 I feel like it was before, But I also I 1920 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:45.800 had an Xbox before I had a PlayStation, so I 1921 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:46.720 don't really know all. 1922 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.079 I don't remember the timing, but I do remember that 1923 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.479 the big difference was Games with Gold gave you the game, 1924 01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:54.600 like you got ownership of the game, versus it being 1925 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:57.199 tied to you maintaining your subscription status. 1926 01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:01.039 Well, you access it on PlayStation. Plus you I still 1927 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.479 have the games despite my subscription being lapsed. 1928 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:07.640 Why are your life? I don't think you can fire 1929 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:08.000 it up. 1930 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.960 I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure you can. I'm 1931 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.039 pretty sure it gives. 1932 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:12.279 Them to you. 1933 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:16.079 I'm gonna do some some research real quick. Well, continue discussing. 1934 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:19.760 Journalism is happening right now? Yeah, live on the air, 1935 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:23.239 but yeah so. But it was at least for me, 1936 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:24.720 it was my first time being like, well, you're kid 1937 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:28.000 just giving me games being subscribed it's crazy, and again 1938 01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:30.399 not having as many responsibilities, I was like, oh, I'm 1939 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.039 I'm gonna make copious use of this. And as time 1940 01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:36.680 has gone on and especially again once I started, you know, 1941 01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:39.239 doing this for a line of work, like I can't, 1942 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.159 I almost never touched my PS. It went from like 1943 01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:46.600 I stopped really playing the new PS plus games to 1944 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.800 where I even stopped checking where I used to make 1945 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:52.039 it like I was on a clock of like, okay, 1946 01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:54.760 first of the month, let's see what's here. And now 1947 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.399 I'll go like two three months and I'll go like, 1948 01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.640 oh yeah, I mean I guess I just check this. 1949 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:01.760 Like I'll just happen to log into my PS five 1950 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:03.399 one day and be like I haven't checked this in 1951 01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:06.119 a while. What I got over here? And we're like, oh, okay, cool, 1952 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.159 I'm gonna ask to my library and probably never see 1953 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.880 them again. Uh So it's become. But the thing that 1954 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:15.119 keeps me subscribed is really the thing that got me 1955 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:17.279 in the first place is you needed to play online, 1956 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:22.960 And I justify it as a work expense at this 1957 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:27.920 point where it's like I review enough things on PlayStation 1958 01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:30.760 or enough games come out where like I might need 1959 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:33.199 that online subscription, this might have an online mode that 1960 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:36.560 I need to access, or you know, just something like 1961 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:39.319 I don't want. It's very much the like just in 1962 01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:42.279 case sort of thing of like I don't want to 1963 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:44.039 suddenly run into a situation where was like, oh I 1964 01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:46.359 want to play this online, Oh right, I let I 1965 01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:48.680 don't have that subscribe. I got to re up for 1966 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:50.680 a month and then and then it becomes a question like, 1967 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:53.039 well do I pay for a month? What if it 1968 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:54.920 happens again next month? And then I'm tending to me 1969 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:56.920 paying more if I'm buying a month a month and 1970 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.359 instead of just like multiple months. And this job is 1971 01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:02.159 enough reason for me to be like, I just need 1972 01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:04.319 to have this successible at all times because I don't 1973 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:06.279 know what's going to get pass my way that needs 1974 01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:09.479 to be online, you know what I mean. So that's 1975 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:14.399 how I justify keeping it to this day. Unfortunately, they've 1976 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:18.359 raised the price on that too in the last couple 1977 01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:22.560 of years or so. But yeah, it's it's just becom 1978 01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:25.880 ingrained in my like budget at this point that I 1979 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:30.239 don't notice or minded it. It's it's weird, but that's 1980 01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:31.800 that's my justification. We're keeping it. 1981 01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:36.359 A quick note, the Virtual streets are saying that you 1982 01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:40.119 do need to maintain your subscription to maintain access to 1983 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.960 any PS plus premium or free games that you have acquired. 1984 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:46.640 Uh so you it will it will lock if you 1985 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:48.119 if your subscription lapses. 1986 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:50.680 Yeah, I was going to say that was always That's fascinating. 1987 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:53.920 There there were individual reports of people who like left 1988 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.760 the game open after their subscription ended, and they were 1989 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.760 able to keep playing the game so long as their 1990 01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:01.760 console didn't turn off, or they're like the close the 1991 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:03.720 game and switch to a different game or something. It's like, 1992 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:05.399 but the second they did it then locked out. 1993 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:07.720 It's the equivalent of being in a store when it's 1994 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:09.680 closed and they like they won't let anyone else in, 1995 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:10.920 but you can still finish your. 1996 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:14.479 Purchase, exactly exactly. You can stay in toys r Us 1997 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:20.680 as long as they don't catch you. That's that's accurate. Okay. 1998 01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:23.279 I guess I just always say do that. 1999 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:28.520 Yeah, no, don't don't get toys r us. Okay, I yeah, 2000 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:30.159 I guess it just always stays subscribed. So I guess 2001 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:34.439 it's not the same. Interesting, Well, that's worse then, But 2002 01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:36.239 I still I still use it, and I still like 2003 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:39.239 having the games. I guess the quote unquote having the games, 2004 01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:41.079 this is a this is a continual thing. 2005 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:42.119 I think. 2006 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.079 I think the two biggest things that we'll talk about 2007 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:50.800 are one, Uh, is this this ownership thing. This is 2008 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:54.039 particularly an issue for me with the Nintendo stuff, where 2009 01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:58.239 it's like subscriptions have replaced owning stuff and you don't 2010 01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:01.399 really ever own things. We're just rent everything. And a 2011 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:04.479 frustrating reality that like stuff like the fact that I 2012 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.079 have I have my wall of all these different games 2013 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:09.119 behind me are things I can always boot up and 2014 01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:10.600 go back to and play and be like, oh, I 2015 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:13.319 remember playing this game in likeness game or not or whatever. 2016 01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:15.680 That just I just still have those memories, just a 2017 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.319 weird thing of me being like, yep, oh I eventually, 2018 01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:21.680 you know, twenty years from now, I might not even 2019 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:24.840 be able to access, you know, my PlayStation plus library 2020 01:38:24.840 --> 01:38:26.399 and it'll be like, oh, remember when you had all 2021 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:26.920 those games? 2022 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:27.600 Too bad? 2023 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.319 We closed or we did whatever and we shut it down. 2024 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:33.199 Does that make you feel better when you've technically never 2025 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:34.960 owned them, because now you know, like the moment you 2026 01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:36.880 let the subscription laps, they took away from you. 2027 01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:39.640 Anyway, Uh, to be honest of how I feel, I 2028 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:43.079 feel like you each personally took like three hundred games 2029 01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:45.760 out of my library that I amassed over the last 2030 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:48.600 five years that I had, And now that I have 2031 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.840 the knowledge that I don't have them, it's your fault. 2032 01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:53.239 That's a deal like emotion. 2033 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:56.880 Yeah, because I know I've all I guess because knowing 2034 01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:00.560 how this this arrangement works from the beginning, I never 2035 01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:02.720 felt any ownership for those games. I knew like the 2036 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.000 moment I stopped giving you money, they're gone. So I 2037 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:08.600 have no personal attachment to that library. The ones that 2038 01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:10.760 I actually paid money for, you know, it's a bit 2039 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.399 of a different story. Yeah, all the like hundreds of 2040 01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:15.720 PS plus games that I probably have, I'm like them. 2041 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:17.680 I if they went away, I wouldn't be like, oh no, 2042 01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:19.159 I'd be like, yeah, I never owned se I didn't 2043 01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:21.680 pay for those. I technically paid for them, but not 2044 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:26.880 in the you know, I subscribed to borrow them basically. 2045 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:29.800 Well and crucially so we were talking about the essential 2046 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.640 tier right now, it's just ten bucks a month. Also, 2047 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:34.840 a lot of these have different prices. If you decide 2048 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.359 to pay for like every three months or yearly. I 2049 01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:40.920 find the monthly price is a better basis. It always 2050 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:43.239 frustrates me when something's like for as little as three 2051 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:45.159 dollars a month and then you click on it. It's 2052 01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.960 like when you pay annually eighty it if you want 2053 01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.520 to play monthly, it's twenty thousand dollars a month, which 2054 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:57.000 I say, anyways, we've got an extra which gives you 2055 01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:02.119 the game catalog. So this is like their game Pass 2056 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.760 equivalent in terms of like you're playing modern games or 2057 01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:09.600 what's in their game catalog. This page on the Places 2058 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:12.319 Plus website doesn't have the total number, so I don't 2059 01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:13.600 know how much it is. Off the top of my head. 2060 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:17.720 It's like, Okay, this is featuring hundreds of games, so 2061 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:21.439 some amount of hundreds. I feel like it's smaller than 2062 01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:24.079 the Xbox Games catalog. I don't have any evidence to 2063 01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:28.600 support that. Notably, PlayStation hasn't ever really been like day one, 2064 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:31.159 we're gonna put our big Like Spider Man two didn't 2065 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:34.159 launch on PlayStation Plus, and it would be pretty surprising 2066 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:36.880 if it did. And eventually they'll come to that service 2067 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:40.039 most likely, but it's a different It's much more of 2068 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:43.399 a back catalog you're paying for rather than like staying 2069 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:45.720 up to date so to speak, with the newest releases. 2070 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:47.680 How long it takes. I've never got a sense of 2071 01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:50.640 the time frame between launch and Okay, we'll put our 2072 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:51.720 big first party thing on. 2073 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:54.239 Yeah, I feel like it's at least a year or so. 2074 01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:57.000 Is it like the CADS is, like this is coming 2075 01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.159 to PC. It takes as long for it to come 2076 01:40:59.199 --> 01:40:59.680 to Extra. 2077 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.840 Maybe a little shorter, but yeah, I don't know. I 2078 01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:08.279 think it's also PlayStation really in my mind, at least, 2079 01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:11.159 I don't know what they'll like numbers say, really relies 2080 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:13.439 on its first party games, like that's how that's where 2081 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:16.159 a lot of the the value of PlayStation is is. 2082 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:17.840 It's like, well, that's the only place you can play 2083 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:19.840 Got of War, Spider Man, got et cetera. 2084 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:22.479 Right. I should also clarify that I've only ever been 2085 01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:25.880 subscribed to the lowest tier, which used to be the 2086 01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:28.560 only tier before that added the two extra tiers and 2087 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:31.439 then and then I got knocked down to the bottom. 2088 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:34.079 But I have never been compelled to pay for the 2089 01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:34.960 other two tiers. 2090 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:40.359 I was on the extra tier for a while when 2091 01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.000 I was subscribed, because I think that is the one 2092 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:47.560 that does give you access to older games, so being 2093 01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:49.399 able to access correct the catalog. 2094 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:51.279 Right now, just wait, what So. 2095 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:56.399 There's Essential, then there's Extra, and then there's Premium and Premium. 2096 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.000 Okay, yeah, okay, Premium is the one that has older stuff. 2097 01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:01.039 I was on that for a little bit because it 2098 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:03.560 did give me access to but I think they also 2099 01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:06.960 changed that at some point or because there were games 2100 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:09.640 that were coming to Extra and Premium, but then there 2101 01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.520 were ones that were only going to premium. 2102 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.680 It's I mean, the biggest criticism with their tiers is 2103 01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:16.600 that it's unnecessarily complicated. 2104 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:20.640 Yes, yeah, they also have Yeah, so the Extra has 2105 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:24.680 like games. It also has Ubisoft Plus Classics, which is interesting. 2106 01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.920 It's not Ubisoft plus Tubasoft plus Classics, so it's some 2107 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:30.359 of the Ubisoft games. I was on the Extra tier 2108 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:36.279 like two years ago, three years ago maybe now, where 2109 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:38.920 I replayed all the Assassin's Creed games, or at least 2110 01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:40.439 a lot of the Assassin's Creed games, and it was 2111 01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:43.960 easier for me to pay for PlayStation Plus Extra rather 2112 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.680 than to buy the ones that they didn't have. And 2113 01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:50.039 then the top and so that's that's fifteen bucks a month, 2114 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:52.600 and then eighteen bucks a month is Playtation Plus Premium, 2115 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:56.119 which includes that classics catalog. Eric was talking about. It 2116 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:59.520 has cloud streaming, so you're basically streaming a lot of 2117 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.800 these older games. Am I right that it's PlayStation one, two, 2118 01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:04.840 and three games in this library. 2119 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.800 I just saw Arc the lad in there, as well 2120 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:12.079 as ape Escape one, and I see Dark Cloud the 2121 01:43:12.119 --> 01:43:14.680 first Dark Cloud as well as Dark Cloud two on 2122 01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:15.159 here as well. 2123 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:17.399 Yeah, as we got the whole spread. 2124 01:43:17.159 --> 01:43:21.680 The whole spread. So yeah, and that's that's one I've 2125 01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:26.079 honestly been considering, not seriously considering, thinking about trying out 2126 01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:31.239 PlayStation Plus Premium because I have a PlayStation Portal, and 2127 01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:34.239 if you pay for Premium, you can do cloud streaming, 2128 01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:37.399 and now the portal can do supports streaming from the 2129 01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:40.359 cloud as opposed to just remote play from a console, 2130 01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:41.960 which is the thing that you think would always be 2131 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:43.119 able to do and I wish I could do without 2132 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.560 a subscription, but I don't know that is that is 2133 01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:50.840 maybe my most regretful game purchase, like game hardware purchase, 2134 01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:53.760 the PlayStation Portal, because I never use it. It doesn't 2135 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:59.279 really I got one maybe a year ago, a little 2136 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:01.920 more than the New Year. I don't know. It's it's 2137 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:05.000 I really liked, you know what it was. I loved 2138 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:07.680 the idea of playing Metaphor Refontasio in bed because my 2139 01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:10.520 PlayStation's out in the living room, and that's we were 2140 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.600 talking about turn based like tactical stuff. But that's just 2141 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:15.279 one where I'm like, I don't want to have to 2142 01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:17.760 always be sitting out here when I play this game. 2143 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:19.399 It's really long. I just want to be able to 2144 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:22.079 play it in as many locations as possible. So I 2145 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:26.079 got the portal, but I just like my WiFi is 2146 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.319 like fine, but it's not good enough to support the 2147 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:31.840 like timed button pressing or stuff that you get from 2148 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:35.960 something like that. Just like running around in the open 2149 01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:37.399 world that always was hard for me. 2150 01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:41.399 Yeah, anyways, I mean honestly, that speaks to like one 2151 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:43.279 of the reasons I don't feel the need to upgrade 2152 01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:45.800 is like cloud streaming is kind of a big it's 2153 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.840 not one of the characters. And I've I've I just 2154 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:50.920 don't like cloud streaming at all. Like I don't care 2155 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:52.800 what genre game it is. I just never want to 2156 01:44:52.840 --> 01:44:56.319 have to worry about latency. Like my internet's good, but 2157 01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:58.439 even then, I just never I the moment I see 2158 01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.640 any dipper stutter, I'm gonna be like this sucks. I'm 2159 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:02.640 just going to go back to my ansole. It's why 2160 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:04.640 I didn't buy a portals. I was like, this is 2161 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:08.039 the this is emphatical to how I want to play games. 2162 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:10.319 It's like it's built on cloud streaming and I don't 2163 01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:12.000 want to handheld, but I can't leave the house with 2164 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:14.039 If I want to do that, I can pull out 2165 01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:16.479 my WIU. It's like I've already lived that life. 2166 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:20.279 My my understanding is that, and I could be wrong, 2167 01:45:20.319 --> 01:45:23.039 because I've posted about this a few times. I understanding 2168 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:25.880 is that the cloud streaming and the remote play are 2169 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:29.680 different levels of good, and that cloud streaming has gotten 2170 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:34.600 better over time. Remote play for me, has a lot 2171 01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:37.239 more latency. But that's why the thing I haven't tried 2172 01:45:37.239 --> 01:45:39.520 the cloud streaming on PlayStation Portal. I guess maybe I'm 2173 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:41.960 still being delusional and I'm like, there's still it'll still 2174 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:43.600 be worth it this purchase that I made. 2175 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.920 I've only I've only tried cloud streaming on two different services. 2176 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.800 I tried the Xbox One and it was okay. I 2177 01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:52.960 don't remember it being remarkably. 2178 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:55.159 Good, you know, when you did that out of curiosity, that. 2179 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:57.159 Would have been like at least three years ago or 2180 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:58.840 so I did. It was it was a while bag 2181 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:00.760 Yeah launched. 2182 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:05.279 And fine, But I tried. Yeah. 2183 01:46:05.319 --> 01:46:07.439 The other one I tried, which we'll talk about the moment, 2184 01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:12.079 is the Switch Cloud stuff, specifically the ones that were 2185 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:14.439 coming out only for Triple A games. I tried to 2186 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:22.000 control Cloud on the switch. Oh my god, crazy four 2187 01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.119 hardware would. 2188 01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:24.720 Even sell that. 2189 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:29.600 Instead, the switch that's being lit on fire is thousands 2190 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.680 of miles away from you and trying to stream you 2191 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:38.319 the game quietly. It's doing the R two D two 2192 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:39.159 yell yes. 2193 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:46.720 Uh, anyways, that's that's a PlayStation. It sounds like this 2194 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:48.640 is one that we all are. This is the first one, 2195 01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:51.800 and all three of us are currently subscribed to by choice. 2196 01:46:51.920 --> 01:46:54.079 But maybe when this podcast ends, Eric will not be 2197 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:56.960 anymore until there's another online. 2198 01:46:57.000 --> 01:46:59.239 We've witnessed the death of a subscription service live on 2199 01:46:59.279 --> 01:46:59.560 the air. 2200 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:01.199 Uh yeah. 2201 01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:05.039 Next up, we'll talk about Nintendo. Nintendo Switch Online, the 2202 01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:08.239 weirdest one of these. It does a lot of things 2203 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:13.039 at the same time. Uh, and I I have it. 2204 01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:15.640 I have the expansion pack plan. 2205 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:19.520 Yeah. I think we all do, right, I think we 2206 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:19.880 all do. 2207 01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:22.239 That's another one to play to play Path of Radiance, 2208 01:47:22.279 --> 01:47:23.960 I think you need it, right Yeah? 2209 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:27.000 Yeah, well yeah, I think this is another one. Disclosure 2210 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:31.000 that Nintendo provided Game Informer with which well maybe I 2211 01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:33.319 don't know, maybe you got it. I know mine. 2212 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:38.359 Well, I had it and I got it before Nintendo 2213 01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:40.359 sent us the code, and it was like, it actually 2214 01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:43.640 doesn't work because I paid for a year and you 2215 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:46.439 can't like buy another year and then extend what you had, 2216 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:48.239 like it has to be a lapse account or whatever. 2217 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:49.079 So yeah, it. 2218 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:51.079 Just didn't work. 2219 01:47:51.159 --> 01:47:55.399 Yeah, okay, I pay for this. I will continue to 2220 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.279 pay for this this if I if I only had 2221 01:47:58.279 --> 01:48:00.600 to pick, well, if I only had to pick one 2222 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:03.359 gaming subscription that I have, it would be to continue 2223 01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:05.880 my final Fantasy fourteen subscription, and then it would be 2224 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:07.359 to keep Switch. 2225 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:11.640 Sorry to suggest that you you take handouts there, idn't. 2226 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:19.039 Mean yeah no, if anything, I'm not being offered a handouts. 2227 01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:22.159 Handouts talking about. 2228 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:26.680 Straps, yeah yeah, gotta pull yourself up by your expansion pack. 2229 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:28.960 Yeah, get that premium. 2230 01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:32.119 Sid So, uh, Switch online is interesting. It does a 2231 01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:34.560 lot of things. It does have online play, so there 2232 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:36.319 are instances where you might want to do that. I 2233 01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:38.920 don't know who's like really intense about it. My brother 2234 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.520 was like really into playing Smash online for a hot minute, 2235 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.560 so he would have it for that. If you're trying 2236 01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:47.800 to play that definite online cart world for sure. Yeah, yeah, 2237 01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:50.560 you're playing with friends that are distant, et cetera. Others, 2238 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.439 there's instances where you would use that and people now 2239 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:57.079 people go to Nintendo platforms four traditionally, but there's definitely 2240 01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:59.880 some big games that you could Oh, you're disagreeing with me. 2241 01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:03.359 Yeah, I just said Animal Crossing, like that's the reason 2242 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:06.239 to have switch online versus anything else. You got to 2243 01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:08.880 have it for that. I would have said, like, yeah, 2244 01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:13.319 like four years ago, two great, look, I play a 2245 01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:17.760 lot of I think Nintendo's multiplayer offering is is very 2246 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:20.840 good on its doorst party front. Like Mario Kart's Great 2247 01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:23.640 Smash doesn't always work, if it ever does, but I 2248 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:26.560 still play it anyways because I'm a broken man. I 2249 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.479 would have said Mario Party if not for Lego Party 2250 01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:33.039 coming out, But then Lego Party also very fun multiplayer. Uh, 2251 01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:35.760 And yeah, like Animal Crossing, being able to go to 2252 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:38.079 your friend's islands, to trade stuff, to do all the 2253 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:40.199 different things you can do with online. When it comes 2254 01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:43.000 to that, yeah, you absolutely want it for that, nothing else. 2255 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:47.359 I guess I didn't consider it for any of those 2256 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:50.359 because those are mostly things I do locally that you 2257 01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:53.079 like can't do locally with other consoles so like, if 2258 01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:55.720 I'm playing Animal Crossing, I'm trading with like the people 2259 01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:58.239 in my household, or like my friends when I see 2260 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:00.840 them in person. I'm doing a lot more local switch stuff. 2261 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:05.000 But that's just me and I hadn't occurred to me 2262 01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:06.800 that to me. To me, it's like like a call 2263 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:09.279 of duty. That to me is like there's games that 2264 01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:11.159 you could only play online, and you would only play 2265 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:13.520 online that I am playing on like PlayStation. That's That's 2266 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.279 what I'm thinking of. I guess to where I was 2267 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:15.840 coming from. 2268 01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:19.520 There was a thing that happened called the COVID nineteen pandemic, 2269 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:23.000 in which we crucially could not visit each other's house 2270 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:26.920 and we're thus not able to trade items in person, and. 2271 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:28.520 I think that change. 2272 01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:32.520 Yeah, Legitimately, there was a huge boom in online gaming 2273 01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:35.279 and discord communities and things like that around the COVID 2274 01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:39.680 nineteen pandemic, and largely, like I, I myself have seen 2275 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:42.880 entire communities and friend groups formed around things like playing 2276 01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:47.039 Animal Crossing online. So yeah, I think for that reason alone, 2277 01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:50.640 it's it's already like a pretty notable thing. I still 2278 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:53.039 don't like it. I'm still not happy about having to 2279 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:55.840 pay to get multiplayer access. I think that's silly. 2280 01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:00.439 This is a percentage of Nintendo Switch Online subscribe. Are 2281 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:02.920 people that signed up during the pandemic and just kept 2282 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:05.520 forgetting to cancel it and every year to get that 2283 01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:08.199 like twenty dollars hit in or bank counter like, oh 2284 01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:11.960 that thing, God forgot it was paying for that, so 2285 01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:13.840 oh I got another year. I gotta keep it. 2286 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:16.600 Someone listening to the pod right now just had that moment, 2287 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.199 got the email, still sub to that. 2288 01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:24.119 Yeah, So on that note, Switch Online the price is 2289 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:26.880 it's a lot more affordable than these other ones. It 2290 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:30.840 is a thing where like PlayStation Plus, for example, is 2291 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:33.399 something where at least two of the three of us 2292 01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:36.399 were like, I want the online multiplayer, and they're adding 2293 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.199 other stuff to it that I have to buy in 2294 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:41.119 order to get the online multiplayer, where maybe you would 2295 01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:43.159 love to have like an option where you're paying less 2296 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:46.840 just for multiplayer. Sometimes Switch Online it's twenty dollars for 2297 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:49.880 a whole year. So a year of base Switch Online 2298 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:51.920 is less than one month of Ultimate Game Pass, which 2299 01:51:51.960 --> 01:51:58.479 is wild and that gets you online play, that gets 2300 01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:02.000 you some of the class library, that gets you SNS 2301 01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:05.319 and game Boy, that gets you the Nintendo Music app 2302 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:10.439 on Switch to game chat. We all love it. And 2303 01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:13.079 then you can also save data in the cloud. That's 2304 01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.880 what all those things, which is also huge. 2305 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:18.760 Yeah, especially atally one of my main reasons for I mean, 2306 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:22.079 outside of just academic reasons, but I do like having 2307 01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:23.880 cloud stores is a big deal. 2308 01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:27.520 Yes, Yeah, I like that one a lot because I 2309 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.479 think I didn't run into it as often with PlayStation 2310 01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.880 having to like delete a game and then reload a 2311 01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:34.760 game and things like that, But with the Switch, I 2312 01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:37.800 was doing it more often than obviously. Moving from my 2313 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:39.800 original switch to my O lead and then from my 2314 01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:42.479 O lead to my switch to uh, being able to 2315 01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:46.199 pull down all that stuff and just carry everything over 2316 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:49.960 was huge. And again it was for twenty bucks a year, 2317 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:52.600 which is so much less than everything else is asking 2318 01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:56.840 right now, even on the metric of just subscription services, 2319 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:00.359 not even counting games, that's so much cheaper than everything 2320 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:01.000 else out there. 2321 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:07.520 Yeah, and that's also I'm talking the individual prices, right. 2322 01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:10.119 A lot of people are on a Switch family plan 2323 01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:13.039 where you don't need to be family members. You can 2324 01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:15.880 link a bunch of accounts. Eight people can share a 2325 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.920 family plan account and it's thirty five dollars a year 2326 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.239 for eight people, which is I'm sorry, why I wish 2327 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:24.359 you when you clarify that you don't have to be 2328 01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:27.319 part of the same family, I wish Nintendo trying to 2329 01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:32.920 verify that is that your brother, your mes don't look 2330 01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:34.159 similar enough to each other. 2331 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:36.760 Family supports. 2332 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:41.560 Nintendo supports found families right even in their plans. 2333 01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:47.159 Yeah, and then there's the Expansion Pack, which is all 2334 01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:51.640 the stuff is before, and then add stuff. Notably, we're 2335 01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:55.840 talking about Path of Radiance, which is a GameCube game 2336 01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:58.840 on the Switch to it adds access to their GameCube 2337 01:53:58.840 --> 01:54:02.239 game library on both Switch one and Swich too, adds 2338 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.600 this Nintendo sixty four games, game Boy Advance Games, and 2339 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:10.840 then there's a bunch of specific big first party Nintendo games. 2340 01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:15.039 I have DLC that's exclusive to Switch on the expansion pack. Sorry, 2341 01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:17.439 not exclusive to the expansion pack, but you get it 2342 01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:21.520 quote unquote for free with the expansion Pack. So this 2343 01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:24.399 is Tiers of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild. 2344 01:54:24.520 --> 01:54:27.399 They both get up to their upgraded Switch to upgrades 2345 01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:30.760 Mario cart Eate Deluxe, you get the whole Booster Course Pass, 2346 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:33.159 which is like forty eight more tracks. I might be 2347 01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:34.600 making that number up. It's a lot, it's a lot 2348 01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:37.239 of more tracks. You get the Animal Crossing, New Horizons, 2349 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:40.880 Happy Home Paradise up DLC, you get this Splatoon two 2350 01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:44.680 Octo expansion. And then also they like they separated the 2351 01:54:44.680 --> 01:54:49.159 Sega Genesis catalog from all of the Nintendo ones because 2352 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:51.279 they're like, well that's that's not they're not real. But 2353 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:53.560 you know, have to play second Genesis games, specifically with 2354 01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:58.600 the expansion pack that is individually fifty dollars a year, 2355 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:02.319 family plan eighty dollars a year. Again, if you're getting 2356 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:04.399 eight people total, then it's ten bucks a year for 2357 01:55:04.439 --> 01:55:07.960 all those things. If you have eight people, absolutely the 2358 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:09.760 way to go. You just gotta assuming there. 2359 01:55:10.199 --> 01:55:11.560 Yeah, of course. Yeah. 2360 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:14.520 I I was paying for a bunch of people. I 2361 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.840 was paying for a family plan for Switch one, and 2362 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:19.800 it was a bunch of people that I like, didn't 2363 01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:22.199 really talk to, and it was like the third year 2364 01:55:22.199 --> 01:55:22.479 and I. 2365 01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:24.079 Was like, a family. 2366 01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:28.880 Wow, Nintendo's yeah, they're checking to see if you've texted them? 2367 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:31.279 Really, yeah, have. 2368 01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:32.359 You checked in on your family? 2369 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:34.479 Checked the family plan members. 2370 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:37.560 I canceled it and I just started paying for an 2371 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:40.399 individual one. I think because I was just like I'm 2372 01:55:40.439 --> 01:55:42.960 not gonna keep doing this for people don't care. Also, 2373 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:44.760 I was upgrading to the Expansion Past and I was like, 2374 01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:49.840 I don't feel like yeah anyways, yeah, so, uh we 2375 01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:51.119 all have the Expansion Pass. 2376 01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:53.560 Uh, I have it. 2377 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:55.800 I bought for it. I paid for it. Eric, you 2378 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:57.399 paid for it, Marcus, would you be paying for it 2379 01:55:57.439 --> 01:55:59.039 if it wasn't provided by Nintendo? 2380 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:01.000 I have paid for it. Actually, so the first time 2381 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:03.520 I got it was through Nintendo, and then we got 2382 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:08.359 laid off, and then during that year it like autovernude. 2383 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:09.720 So I mean, I guess I didn't pay for it 2384 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.920 by choices, but I was like, oh right, I gotta 2385 01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:14.960 pay for this now, all right, So like the last 2386 01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:19.159 year was on my dime and then we got another 2387 01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:22.920 sub through them that said, because the Expansion Pass is 2388 01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:30.119 fifty a year, I think, yes, right, Oh, I this 2389 01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:32.560 one's harder out of all the like I guess, like 2390 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:38.199 libraries that the subscription all the three subscription services offer, 2391 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:41.680 I was the most bummed or would be the most 2392 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:44.600 bummed to lose Nintendo's I think this is the most 2393 01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:46.920 appealing in terms of like, oh, these are all like 2394 01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:50.840 classic retro games. Some of them are like Japan or 2395 01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:54.119 Japanese releases that are in like available state side for 2396 01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:56.840 the first time, so that there's weird little oddities like 2397 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:59.640 that that are interesting for me. And I think, like 2398 01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:02.000 I can go without game Pass, but like this one, 2399 01:57:02.039 --> 01:57:03.600 I'd be like, oh man, I kind of miss having 2400 01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:05.680 those N sixty four games or those S and E 2401 01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:07.720 S games. It'd be cool to just and not like 2402 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:12.880 I'm firing those up even often. But I would between 2403 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:17.960 the comparatively cheaper price tag and the more appealing library, 2404 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:22.600 I would keep paying for Switch Line and again cloud Saves. 2405 01:57:22.399 --> 01:57:24.159 That's that's big for Switch. 2406 01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:27.239 Yeah. 2407 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:30.199 I think if you strip out the quality of life 2408 01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:33.479 features and you even just look at the retro catalog, 2409 01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:38.119 I really think it's a good retro catalog that Nintendo 2410 01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:40.880 has curated. The Sega stuff, especially like you can play 2411 01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:43.920 Fantasy Star four on your Switch right now. You can 2412 01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:46.680 just boot it up on the Expansion Pass and that 2413 01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:50.159 that owns like that's a it's a really hard game 2414 01:57:50.680 --> 01:57:55.000 to get like proper access to otherwise, and a lot 2415 01:57:55.039 --> 01:57:57.880 of other stuff is on there like that. I think 2416 01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:01.079 the N sixty four stuff to your point, uh, like 2417 01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:04.399 you can just boot up Pokemon Stadium and play some 2418 01:58:04.479 --> 01:58:05.800 mini games and stuff like that. 2419 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:06.560 Are you kidding me? 2420 01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:09.079 Like, yeah, that sounds great, Like nobody, Okay, let's be 2421 01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:11.119 honest with ourselves. How many people are actually booting up 2422 01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:14.279 Smash sixty four versus Smash Bro's Ultimate, Like like that's 2423 01:58:14.319 --> 01:58:15.920 not happening very often, but you. 2424 01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:17.520 Do the show your kids like we got far we 2425 01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:18.039 came from this. 2426 01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:21.760 Yeah yeah, so yeah, this is what it used to 2427 01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:24.399 be and they're like, okay, can we go back to Ultimate? 2428 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:31.359 Now go pick Joker. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is an 2429 01:58:31.399 --> 01:58:36.159 impressive offering that they continue to do. I always hit 2430 01:58:36.199 --> 01:58:37.600 a point where I'm like, oh, I wish they were 2431 01:58:37.640 --> 01:58:40.000 doing more. And then they announced that they're doing GameCube 2432 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:42.119 and not just the GameCube games that you would expect, 2433 01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:44.960 but here's Path of Radiance, here's I don't think we 2434 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.119 have this. Yeah, but at some point, yeah chib Robo 2435 01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:50.119 xd Gale of Darkness is supposed to come to at 2436 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:53.640 some point, which is a crazy cut. Like it's almost 2437 01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:56.560 like Nintendo went to the list of the highest priced 2438 01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.720 GameCube games and said, we're going to put these on 2439 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:00.960 the surface. You know, We're just will really help the 2440 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:01.520 people out. 2441 01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:03.479 Yeah, Like that's a switch to on or to GameCube 2442 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:05.840 library only like solidifies like I'm not getting rid of 2443 01:59:05.880 --> 01:59:07.800 us because I never had a GameCube and I have 2444 01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:10.159 gone back over the years and played some of the 2445 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:13.079 big stuff from GameCube like Sunshine and Win Waker, but 2446 01:59:13.119 --> 01:59:16.399 there's stuff that I'm like, man, I'm counting down todays 2447 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:19.279 until they can somehow make Eternal Darkness happen. I've always 2448 01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:20.119 wanted to play that. 2449 01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:22.600 It'd be so sick, that'd so awesome. 2450 01:59:22.640 --> 01:59:24.439 You're like, now you're saying it's possible we can get 2451 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:27.359 this on like modern platforms because of this library. Well, 2452 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:29.279 I got to keep it for that day. 2453 01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:32.359 To come get custom Robo on there. I mean doing 2454 01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:35.239 the Krados mean like put custom Robo on my Switch 2455 01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:42.159 to Nintendo. Yeah, it's I I genuinely am surprised for 2456 01:59:42.520 --> 01:59:46.600 a company that I do think usually struggles with how 2457 01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:51.159 it packages it's retro nostalgia and things like that. Nintendo 2458 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:53.199 Switch Online is like totally worth it to me. And 2459 01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:55.359 I think if I could only pick one service out 2460 01:59:55.399 --> 01:59:57.479 of these to keep, and granted I am a switch 2461 01:59:57.520 --> 01:59:59.520 to user, like I use my switch to a lot 2462 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:01.800 if you don't use your switch a lot. So yeah, 2463 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:05.359 these platforms really just end up being for the power 2464 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:08.560 users of their respective platforms, right like Xbox game Pass. 2465 02:00:08.640 --> 02:00:11.600 If you own an Xbox, if all you play is 2466 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:14.960 games on Xbox, you're gonna want Xbox Game Pass. But 2467 02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:16.880 if you're like me and you only play stuff on 2468 02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:19.279 PC or Switch, granted, game Pass is also on PC, 2469 02:00:19.439 --> 02:00:23.239 but take PlayStation. If you really only play on PlayStation, 2470 02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:26.760 then Plus is going to be a magnitude higher of 2471 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:29.720 importance for you. But I think when it comes to Switch, 2472 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:33.800 I do think the offerings they give are both in 2473 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.479 quality of life and what they add to the games 2474 02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:39.479 that you either already own or will own, because if 2475 02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:42.199 you buy Nintendo console, you're buying Nintendo games. That's kind 2476 02:00:42.199 --> 02:00:46.239 of how it's always gone. They do offer a lot 2477 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:48.600 in that respect, and I think it really has made 2478 02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:51.520 that service feel like a standout for me compared to 2479 02:00:51.560 --> 02:00:52.079 the other two. 2480 02:00:53.439 --> 02:00:57.119 Yeah, I do think it's an interesting like there's an 2481 02:00:57.159 --> 02:01:02.039 extent of like if I own a PlayStation and you could, 2482 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:04.960 I can understand not having placers and plus if you're 2483 02:01:04.960 --> 02:01:06.720 not playing online all that much, there is there is 2484 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:08.239 an extent to which I feel like if you have 2485 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:11.760 a Switch or Switch to especially you don't have the 2486 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:14.359 Switch online, it kind of feels like you're not getting 2487 02:01:14.359 --> 02:01:17.279 the most out of the console. Like I feel like 2488 02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:19.279 the retro offerings are like a big draw for a 2489 02:01:19.319 --> 02:01:21.039 lot of like a wide audience of people. 2490 02:01:22.039 --> 02:01:25.319 Yeah, I wonder how much that is, how much true 2491 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:26.840 it is for younger. 2492 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:28.399 Definitely not. 2493 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:30.159 I'm always curious about that. 2494 02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:32.600 I think it's nostalgia driven for sure. 2495 02:01:33.159 --> 02:01:35.439 I was I was gonna bring that up of like, 2496 02:01:35.439 --> 02:01:37.840 like Eric mentioned, and I know you weren't saying everyone 2497 02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:40.079 in the world's playing this game. You mentioned Fantasy Star. 2498 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:42.800 What for, Hey, everybody in the world should be playing 2499 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:45.680 Fantasy Star for it, like we are, just we'd be 2500 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:48.520 a better world for it. Just the thing that like 2501 02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:52.640 I do see that, like if like I'm always someone 2502 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:54.760 that's liked going back and being like, oh, these are 2503 02:01:54.760 --> 02:01:56.760 games that came out before my time, before I was born, 2504 02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:00.560 in the older era whatever. I think there is a 2505 02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:01.760 type of person that's interested in that. 2506 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:04.000 I also think there's a lot of like kids or 2507 02:02:04.079 --> 02:02:06.560 younger people that would play a switch and would not 2508 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:10.399 see the appeal necessarily of some of these older games. 2509 02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:15.119 But also like kids aren't really subscribing to stuff a 2510 02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:18.079 lot of the time it's it's I feel like a 2511 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:20.720 lot more specific instances where maybe if it was a 2512 02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:22.840 family plan, I guess a kid might have access to it, 2513 02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:26.039 but they would want it more for other stuff. 2514 02:02:26.079 --> 02:02:28.800 I would guess if they're busy playing roadblocks. Let's be 2515 02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:30.600 honest with ourselves, they're. 2516 02:02:30.359 --> 02:02:35.239 Busy playing roadblocks. Okay, at game at this point, that's 2517 02:02:35.720 --> 02:02:38.000 that's that's a take that's too hot for us to 2518 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:43.319 do a single second half wild, You're kind of something 2519 02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:47.680 the I'm gonna do a bit of a rundown of 2520 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:50.840 like some other platform other subscription services I know of 2521 02:02:51.079 --> 02:02:53.079 that I don't necessarily know if we're paying for, but 2522 02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:54.680 I do want to just at the end go around 2523 02:02:54.760 --> 02:02:59.039 and just say, like other other gaming like regular expenses 2524 02:02:59.079 --> 02:03:01.239 that you pay for, whether you think they're worth it 2525 02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:02.880 or you feel like you're getting ripped off, but it's 2526 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:04.560 like I gotta, you know, the kind of thing of 2527 02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:06.399 like I need to pay for it to play online 2528 02:03:06.479 --> 02:03:11.199 or whatever. Apple Arcade is something I think I have. 2529 02:03:11.479 --> 02:03:13.920 I think you can buy it, and it like shares 2530 02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:17.600 with like your family plan on Apple. It's not something 2531 02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:20.039 I use all that often, but it's something that I 2532 02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:22.840 used a lot. I really actually that's not true. I 2533 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:25.720 love Grindstone. I play Grinds on Apple Arcade all the time. 2534 02:03:26.680 --> 02:03:29.640 But that's if you got an Apple product iPhone, iPad. 2535 02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:33.000 You got a lot of really good mobile games on there. 2536 02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:36.439 And it is a really nice, like modern version of 2537 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:39.039 There's a lot of like like Fruit Ninja Plus or 2538 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:41.680 something where it's a game that existed for free as 2539 02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:45.520 a kid, for me as a kid, existed for free, 2540 02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:48.000 you know, a decade fifteen years ago, whenever it was 2541 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:52.800 that you could pay to remove ads, you could pay 2542 02:03:52.800 --> 02:03:55.039 for like an upgraded version, or a lot of games 2543 02:03:55.079 --> 02:03:58.159 that were just have become laden with ads. The nice 2544 02:03:58.159 --> 02:04:00.239 thing about Apple Arcade is it's like, this is the 2545 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:02.760 mobile game experience without the ads. It feels a lot 2546 02:04:02.840 --> 02:04:05.079 less predatory. It feels like it's actually a game that 2547 02:04:05.119 --> 02:04:08.920 you're supposed to play and enjoy. So I recommend it. 2548 02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:10.680 I have it right now. I'm not a huge mobile 2549 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:12.680 gamer at the moment, but there's definitely periods of my 2550 02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:15.239 life where I'm like, I couldn't imagine going without it. 2551 02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:19.920 There's also EA Play, which I've actually never heard of 2552 02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:22.760 someone just subscribing to EA Play. I'm sure there are 2553 02:04:22.840 --> 02:04:27.880 p person doesn't exist EA Play and like Ubisoft Plus 2554 02:04:27.920 --> 02:04:30.680 are two examples of services that I'm like. They exist. 2555 02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:33.359 You can pay for the monthly, they get you a 2556 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:37.119 very specific selection of games. I don't know who's paying 2557 02:04:37.199 --> 02:04:39.079 for it. That is like like if you're such a 2558 02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:42.560 diehard EA fan but you don't have the games that 2559 02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:44.920 they would offer, or like. 2560 02:04:46.640 --> 02:04:48.920 I think if you subscribe to Ubisoft Plus, the only 2561 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:51.159 people on your friends lift are just members of the 2562 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:52.119 gumb family. 2563 02:04:52.720 --> 02:04:59.680 Yeah this is you. Please comment below, Please please say 2564 02:04:59.600 --> 02:05:03.920 yeah of experience, every leave out, no detail. We we 2565 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:07.680 need to understand you better, we need to study you scientifically. 2566 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:10.960 I think if I had to guess, you're either on 2567 02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:14.399 the EASA like a hardcore like I play Apex Legends 2568 02:05:14.479 --> 02:05:18.760 or something like that, or or like Madden or for Ubisoft, 2569 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:22.520 like man, I'm really into Rabo six Siege or like that. 2570 02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:25.720 You know, but do you even need those services? The 2571 02:05:25.720 --> 02:05:27.720 playoff games, so you know, that's a lot. 2572 02:05:27.760 --> 02:05:29.720 That's what's funny is it's not like they haven't built 2573 02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:36.359 their model so like UBI. So Ubisoft has classics and 2574 02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:44.000 premium Classics is an evolving selection. This is of games 2575 02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:46.359 on PC. I wonder if it is PC specific and 2576 02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:49.800 then standard editions and you get twenty percent discount on 2577 02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:52.680 games included in your plan. So I guess if you're 2578 02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:55.199 paying to like own a game that's in the subscription, 2579 02:05:55.279 --> 02:05:57.079 it's twenty percent off, which I think is a think 2580 02:05:57.079 --> 02:05:59.840 game Pass does, which is nice, I guess, but kind 2581 02:05:59.880 --> 02:06:01.680 of defeats the purpose of I don't know. 2582 02:06:02.479 --> 02:06:05.520 These feel like services that somebody forgot to turn off 2583 02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:08.000 because they were like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, every 2584 02:06:08.039 --> 02:06:10.600 once in a while, some money trickles in from that faucet, 2585 02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:13.039 So why turn you know off, we. 2586 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:16.439 Don't need to. It's like just leading open is in 2587 02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:19.399 a break room and employee walks in and he's like, oh, hey, 2588 02:06:19.439 --> 02:06:20.960 what do you do here? And he's like, oh, I'm 2589 02:06:20.960 --> 02:06:23.479 in charge of Ubisoft Plus. And he's just like like 2590 02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:26.039 makes a mental note to shut that down and fire 2591 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:27.800 that person. Like you're gonna say. 2592 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:30.960 They're like, dude, we just closed a different studio. 2593 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:34.600 I totally forgot. We could have destroyed the surface. 2594 02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:35.279 Yeah. 2595 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.359 No, whoever you are that works on that, you deserve 2596 02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:40.920 to keep your job, yes, order to be transferred to else. 2597 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:42.439 I don't I don't want to make jokes about laying 2598 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:45.159 people off because I literally wrote up a layof story 2599 02:06:45.159 --> 02:06:45.760 about you was. 2600 02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:47.439 Off today, we have been laid off. We know what 2601 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:48.239 it's like. We're talking. 2602 02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:53.960 Yeah, anyways, the premium is eighteen dollars a month and 2603 02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:57.880 includes day one releases of hot new Ubisoft games, which 2604 02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:04.239 again is a thing like you know, you know you 2605 02:07:04.239 --> 02:07:14.720 you know, you know, how you take. I was gonna say, uh, 2606 02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:16.359 I was gonna say just Dance, but I do think 2607 02:07:16.479 --> 02:07:19.039 Just Dance has transitioned into a live service model. 2608 02:07:19.159 --> 02:07:23.000 Live service model, yeah, take access to the Assassin's Creed 2609 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:24.239 Shadows came out last year. 2610 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:25.239 It did come out. 2611 02:07:25.279 --> 02:07:28.600 I mean, there's Star Wars, Outlaws, Avatar, Frontiers of Pandora, 2612 02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:30.319 Like there are games. 2613 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:33.079 There's a lot of people playing that Avatar game right now. Yeah, 2614 02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:34.960 but it's also the new movie and they're like, we 2615 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:37.920 got to play some some Avatar a person now. 2616 02:07:38.279 --> 02:07:40.239 But but it's like, did you need to pay eighteen 2617 02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:41.600 dollars a month to maybe? 2618 02:07:41.760 --> 02:07:42.239 Probably not? 2619 02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:48.279 No, now, just talking about other subscriptions we pay for. Personally, 2620 02:07:48.359 --> 02:07:50.960 I'm curious of the things people mentioned, the comments of 2621 02:07:51.079 --> 02:07:54.000 if you pay for EA play pluss, just in general, 2622 02:07:54.199 --> 02:07:56.199 things that you pay for what you think is worth it, 2623 02:07:56.319 --> 02:07:58.039 or used to be worth it. It isn't anymore or 2624 02:07:58.119 --> 02:08:02.039 vice versa. It's not a video game per se. 2625 02:08:02.119 --> 02:08:02.800 But I did want to. 2626 02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:06.279 Say I do subscribe to the d D Beyond Master 2627 02:08:06.439 --> 02:08:12.359 Tier Dungeons and Dragons Online tool set. It is just 2628 02:08:12.479 --> 02:08:14.920 easier and a lot of aspect, especially when I'm teaching 2629 02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:17.920 newer people how to play, to just be like, here 2630 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.319 is a service. You click the buttons instead of having 2631 02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:22.399 to read and understand what to write in what box. 2632 02:08:23.079 --> 02:08:25.079 I appreciate that it streamlines it a lot. And the 2633 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:28.000 Master Tier I can like share the content that I 2634 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:32.479 bought or own digitally. I can share that with everyone 2635 02:08:32.520 --> 02:08:34.720 else in my campaign. So if someone wants like a 2636 02:08:34.760 --> 02:08:36.880 subclass or a weird book they don't have, then they 2637 02:08:36.880 --> 02:08:40.520 don't have to go buy it themselves. So I have 2638 02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:42.840 the Master Tier. I think the Hero Tier is cheaper. 2639 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:45.920 It's like six dollars a month or something like that. 2640 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:49.640 I should know exactly. Yeah, six dollars plus tax, which 2641 02:08:49.680 --> 02:08:51.760 is pretty good. It's not that expensive. You still have 2642 02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:53.239 to bay for all the books and stuff, which is 2643 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:55.439 what sucks. But once you own them, I'm just paying 2644 02:08:55.479 --> 02:08:59.319 to share them, which is fine. And that's really the 2645 02:08:59.359 --> 02:09:01.800 only thing top of my head every time lately. The 2646 02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:04.119 reason I came up with this is I'll be like, oh, shoot, 2647 02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:05.760 I am still paying for that thing. I don't want 2648 02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:07.319 to be paying for that, and then I forget to 2649 02:09:07.359 --> 02:09:11.319 cancel it. What about you, guys, what are the subscription 2650 02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:14.800 this Gull's be like a battle pass or you know, 2651 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:18.560 an MMO subscription, just things you're paying for regularly in 2652 02:09:18.600 --> 02:09:20.800 your your gaming life. 2653 02:09:22.119 --> 02:09:26.039 Yeah. I mentioned before, I still pay for Final Fantasy fourteen. 2654 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:30.720 I started playing it in COVID. Actually it was around 2655 02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:33.520 the time that n Walker dropped, if I remember, because 2656 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:36.359 I was trying to sneak onto the servers to play 2657 02:09:36.359 --> 02:09:40.079 a Realm Raborn while the fifth X wait Heavens words 2658 02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:45.159 is yeah, I guess technically fourth, but fifth like expansion 2659 02:09:45.760 --> 02:09:48.680 was out for a video game and everybody was logging 2660 02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:50.520 on to play it, and I was like, I'm playing 2661 02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:54.880 Realm Reborn and fighting the cues for that, but I 2662 02:09:55.560 --> 02:09:58.279 subed to it. I've kept my sub the entire time. 2663 02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:00.359 I haven't let it labs. I've been paying for it 2664 02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:03.800 myself the entire time, mostly because I really like just 2665 02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:07.239 being able to log on and play whenever I want to, 2666 02:10:07.399 --> 02:10:10.359 and also like I play a lot of different aspects 2667 02:10:10.399 --> 02:10:14.359 of that game. So Triple Triad is on there, gathering, hunting, 2668 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:16.640 stuff like that is all on there, and it's like 2669 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:19.680 a very relaxing game for me. It's like a very 2670 02:10:19.800 --> 02:10:23.000 soothing game, especially because it has different stuff that you 2671 02:10:23.039 --> 02:10:25.000 can do that's not just going to do raids and 2672 02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:27.159 things like that. It's kind of what I boot up 2673 02:10:27.159 --> 02:10:28.439 when I don't really know what I want to play. 2674 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:30.279 I just want to like poke away at something or 2675 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:33.359 take something off a checklist or whatever. And I just 2676 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:36.840 I love fourteen. It's such a good game. I can't 2677 02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:40.279 recommend it enough. The free trial is fantastic. I won't 2678 02:10:40.279 --> 02:10:44.880 do the whole meme the sales pitch, but other stuff 2679 02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:48.800 I used to I mean I used to spend a 2680 02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:51.119 lot more money when it came to things like cosmetics 2681 02:10:51.279 --> 02:10:53.079 in games that I played, so do to two League 2682 02:10:53.079 --> 02:10:55.640 of Legends stuff like that. I would buy skins and 2683 02:10:55.680 --> 02:11:00.239 that wasn't necessarily buying the like Now they do have 2684 02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:05.359 battle passes alongside the skins that they sell, and usually 2685 02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:08.479 in a game, what I will do is if a 2686 02:11:08.520 --> 02:11:11.039 game has something in a battle pass that I want, 2687 02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:13.079 I like that. Games are doing this now they will 2688 02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:16.079 let you earn progress on the Battle Pass, and then 2689 02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:18.199 once you hit the like you can hit the level 2690 02:11:18.199 --> 02:11:20.039 that you would get it at, and then you buy 2691 02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:21.680 the Battle Pass, you get everything that you would have 2692 02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:24.319 unlocked if you had been a Premium member in that time. 2693 02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:26.560 And I know that that's kind of a carrot and 2694 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:30.319 stick situation, but I like it because it means that 2695 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:32.359 I can play a game and it lets me kind 2696 02:11:32.359 --> 02:11:34.239 of meeter myself to say, Okay, if I really would 2697 02:11:34.239 --> 02:11:36.920 have put in the time an investment to get the thing, 2698 02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.479 if it really mattered that much to me, then I 2699 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:42.399 can get there and buy the pass when I want it, 2700 02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:45.119 get the skin, feel good about myself, move on with 2701 02:11:45.159 --> 02:11:47.279 my life. Or like, if I never got there, then 2702 02:11:47.279 --> 02:11:48.760 it really didn't matter that much to me at the 2703 02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:49.960 end of the day, and I can just move on 2704 02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:53.960 and not have spent the money. So I've bought like 2705 02:11:54.039 --> 02:11:56.159 a Fortnite Pass or two here or there. I don't 2706 02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:58.840 think I've bought a Legal Legends Pass yet, but the 2707 02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:01.000 new season was kind of tempting me. But again, I'm 2708 02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:02.840 waiting to see if I actually get there or not. 2709 02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:05.119 I almost did that with the Dot to two pass 2710 02:12:05.680 --> 02:12:08.319 over the holidays. Then I was like, once I got 2711 02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:10.039 the base levels of the sets, I was like, I 2712 02:12:10.079 --> 02:12:12.119 don't really want any more of these, so I'm not 2713 02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:15.319 gonna pay money for them, And that was I like 2714 02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:17.600 that method. It feels like a good balance of like 2715 02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:20.479 I don't love battle passes, but at least now there's 2716 02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:22.439 a better way to meter it out for myself to 2717 02:12:22.479 --> 02:12:25.920 where I don't feel like I'm then like dedicating myself 2718 02:12:25.960 --> 02:12:28.000 to getting my money's worth out of it after I've 2719 02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:28.439 bought it. 2720 02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:32.880 So yeah, I like that a lot. I think I 2721 02:12:32.920 --> 02:12:35.880 think there is a an element where they're they're trying 2722 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:38.560 to use fomo of like, well, if you had the 2723 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:40.319 battle pass, you'd have unlocked all these things. But I 2724 02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:43.199 really like the way you are using like that that 2725 02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.560 mindset of it, of like I'll buy it when I 2726 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:46.920 get to the thing that I actually want, which I 2727 02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:48.159 think is totally valid. 2728 02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:49.399 And then if I didn't get there, I didn't really 2729 02:12:49.399 --> 02:12:51.720 want it that bad. Like that happened with the Simpsons 2730 02:12:51.960 --> 02:12:54.359 Fortnite season where I was like, Oh, this battle pass 2731 02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:56.319 is so sick. There's all these Simpsons characters in it, 2732 02:12:56.600 --> 02:12:58.159 and then I didn't get very far in the battle 2733 02:12:58.199 --> 02:13:00.840 pass that season, and I was like, oh, well, it 2734 02:13:00.880 --> 02:13:03.119 would be cool to have that stuff available to me, 2735 02:13:03.199 --> 02:13:05.399 But I guess it really didn't matter if I didn't 2736 02:13:05.439 --> 02:13:08.479 feel the need to grind for it, whereas I felt 2737 02:13:08.479 --> 02:13:10.880 the need to grind for other stuff in other games before. 2738 02:13:11.000 --> 02:13:13.399 But it does end up meaning that I spend less 2739 02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:16.640 money overall because I'm not feeling that need to do 2740 02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:17.239 that stuff. 2741 02:13:18.199 --> 02:13:20.359 Yeah, I have. I have in the past paid for 2742 02:13:20.359 --> 02:13:22.680 Fortnite Crew when I was playing that game really regularly, 2743 02:13:23.039 --> 02:13:26.039 and I have paid for I bought a few Marvel 2744 02:13:26.119 --> 02:13:28.359 Rivals Battle passes, but I have I haven't been playing 2745 02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:30.279 that game as intensely as I was like a year ago. 2746 02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:34.960 But yeah, but what about you, Marcus, Yeah. 2747 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:40.319 I'm pretty straightforward. I really only pay for like the 2748 02:13:40.439 --> 02:13:45.640 three console maker subscriptions so like game pass ps plus 2749 02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:49.520 Nintendo Online, regardless of whether or not they are provided 2750 02:13:49.560 --> 02:13:52.159 to me by the console maker. I was paying for 2751 02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:55.520 them before that, and a lot of it. Again, do job. 2752 02:13:55.760 --> 02:13:57.359 Like I mentioned before, it is a great excuse to 2753 02:13:57.359 --> 02:13:58.960 be like, well, I mean, you know, I might have 2754 02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:00.920 to play something online. It's just good to I always 2755 02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:03.840 have this going even though I'm not, like I'm not 2756 02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:07.439 the biggest online multiplayer guy, especially a competitive multiplayer like 2757 02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:10.239 if I do play online, it's like in a cooperative sense, 2758 02:14:10.399 --> 02:14:11.720 like oh me and my body are gonna run through 2759 02:14:11.720 --> 02:14:15.760 this game together. So and then even then it's like 2760 02:14:16.039 --> 02:14:18.479 the lowest Well, I guess that's not true either, Like 2761 02:14:18.520 --> 02:14:20.680 for PlayStation it's the lowest tier, like the essential tier. 2762 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:24.319 I have no desire to upgrade above it. Nintendo I 2763 02:14:24.359 --> 02:14:26.760 paid for an expansion pack where I would because I 2764 02:14:26.840 --> 02:14:30.319 want that full library, and it's also it's still cheaper, 2765 02:14:30.840 --> 02:14:33.960 a lot cheaper than a lot of other annual subs. 2766 02:14:34.199 --> 02:14:37.119 And then for game Pass, if I was not, if 2767 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:39.359 it had not been paid for me by Microsoft, I 2768 02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:41.840 would probably bump it down a tier or two just 2769 02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:43.680 because it's like, well, I don't need access to the 2770 02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:48.840 full libraries. I don't assess it that much again because 2771 02:14:48.840 --> 02:14:51.520 of just my gaming habits as a result of this job, 2772 02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.680 but I do, like I just need to have access 2773 02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:56.520 to online, like I need to be able to play 2774 02:14:56.520 --> 02:14:58.199 online in my Xbox, so I can do that with 2775 02:14:58.239 --> 02:15:02.560 like the lowest tier. Other than that, I don't I 2776 02:15:02.600 --> 02:15:05.319 have an Android, so I don't have Apple Arcade or 2777 02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:09.199 Apple anything. I Since I don't play competitive multiplayer games, 2778 02:15:09.239 --> 02:15:13.039 I don't do battle pass stuff. Ever. The only live 2779 02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:16.239 game I keep up with is Yu gi Oh Masterdool 2780 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:19.279 and then as soon to be four years since that 2781 02:15:19.319 --> 02:15:23.800 game's been out, I have paid real money twice. Like 2782 02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:26.520 that game is actually quite good about if you play 2783 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:30.279 often enough, you will earn the the in game currency 2784 02:15:30.439 --> 02:15:34.239 just through playing, to where like I've just used every 2785 02:15:34.279 --> 02:15:36.960 gym that I've earned to buy the in game battle 2786 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:39.600 pass has just been earned in game, and there's only 2787 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:42.000 been two instances that I was like, oh, I need 2788 02:15:42.039 --> 02:15:44.279 more gyms to get these cars that I really want, 2789 02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:45.720 and I don't want to open pack for them, so 2790 02:15:45.760 --> 02:15:48.479 I'll give them like five bucks. And I kind of 2791 02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:50.199 treated like a tip of like, well, I've been playing 2792 02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:52.479 like three years with this game for free. I think 2793 02:15:52.520 --> 02:15:57.159 I can afford to give them five bucks. And Fortnite, 2794 02:15:57.279 --> 02:15:59.800 I have paid money for Fortnite someone that I don't. 2795 02:15:59.840 --> 02:16:02.279 I play Fortnite super infrequently. It's like once in a 2796 02:16:02.319 --> 02:16:04.840 blue man where like either friends are like, hey, we're 2797 02:16:04.840 --> 02:16:06.359 all getting in, do you want to play? And I'm 2798 02:16:06.399 --> 02:16:08.439 like sure, like if I'm invited, or if it's like 2799 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:10.039 in a case of the Simpsons, event are like okay, 2800 02:16:10.039 --> 02:16:12.159 that's too cool for me to ignore, because that's that's 2801 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:16.119 like a specific interest or like thing that I like. 2802 02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:18.720 Like the dragon Ball thing was the other instance, were like, 2803 02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:21.840 I gotta get there. I love dragon Ball. And then 2804 02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:24.760 I bought the only skins I've ever bought in Fortnite, 2805 02:16:24.760 --> 02:16:26.439 because I've never bought a battle pack. I don't play 2806 02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:28.119 like that, but I bought like a Spider Man skin 2807 02:16:28.359 --> 02:16:30.880 a couple of years ago. And then I bought the 2808 02:16:30.960 --> 02:16:32.280 K Pop Demon Hunter's pack. 2809 02:16:32.959 --> 02:16:34.840 Oh okay, yeah. 2810 02:16:34.680 --> 02:16:37.360 Because my my girlfriend who also is like obsessed with 2811 02:16:37.440 --> 02:16:40.239 K Pop Demon Hunters but has never played Fortnite, I 2812 02:16:40.319 --> 02:16:42.120 told her, like, they're in the game, wouldn't it be 2813 02:16:42.159 --> 02:16:45.639 fun if we, like, like, as an excuse to play Fortnite, 2814 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:48.120 just play at the K Pop Demon Hunters. And then 2815 02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:49.799 it was right when the Simpsons event started, so we 2816 02:16:49.879 --> 02:16:52.200 got the double whammye of like, oh Simpsons, and we're 2817 02:16:52.239 --> 02:16:56.319 both like, I'm roomy and you're the other one, the 2818 02:16:56.479 --> 02:16:57.000 other one. 2819 02:16:57.280 --> 02:16:58.440 Do you play. 2820 02:16:59.799 --> 02:17:02.440 I or at least I did in that one in 2821 02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:05.159 our matches, I don't care about I'll be any of them. 2822 02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:10.799 Think she picked Zoe the Rapper, Yes, yeah, Zoe yea. 2823 02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:14.760 So I was like I'll be Wait, what's the other 2824 02:17:14.760 --> 02:17:15.440 one's name again? 2825 02:17:15.559 --> 02:17:21.399 Mira, Yeah, Mira. Okay, Look I've seen this movie twice 2826 02:17:21.440 --> 02:17:24.479 of my own volition and three more times not of 2827 02:17:24.479 --> 02:17:27.120 my own volition, so I know more. 2828 02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:29.559 About this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, I've only 2829 02:17:29.559 --> 02:17:32.399 seen it once. I'm a fake gamer boy. 2830 02:17:34.360 --> 02:17:36.360 You're not cut up on the lore for Fortnite? 2831 02:17:37.159 --> 02:17:40.760 Yeah, sorry, I'm on the springfield. I was like, oh, yeah, 2832 02:17:40.799 --> 02:17:44.200 I know that I'm Simpsons fan, but yeah, that is 2833 02:17:44.200 --> 02:17:46.200 to say, like, yeah, I don't really do battle passes. 2834 02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:47.879 I just because I know myself well enough, Like I 2835 02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:50.239 don't play in multiplayer games like that, even ones that 2836 02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.760 I like stick with for like a period of time, 2837 02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:55.520 Like when Halo Infinite came out, I was playing that 2838 02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:58.959 with friends online pretty regularly, but I still know its like, well, 2839 02:17:59.040 --> 02:18:01.920 the free battle passes enough for like my pace, Like 2840 02:18:02.000 --> 02:18:04.360 I would even finish the free battle pass, so why 2841 02:18:04.399 --> 02:18:06.079 would I think I would finish the pay. 2842 02:18:07.120 --> 02:18:10.680 Halo Infinite had the best battle pass system. It is 2843 02:18:10.840 --> 02:18:13.680 legitimately like the best system I've ever seen where you 2844 02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.479 just pick your pass. I think hell Divers actually does 2845 02:18:16.520 --> 02:18:19.000 this too, where you do have to buy into the pass, 2846 02:18:19.399 --> 02:18:23.440 but then you just gain progress on whatever pass you 2847 02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:26.719 have opted into. It's not they have seasonal ones they add, 2848 02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:28.959 but then you can go back and choose other passes 2849 02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:32.280 and build up through those, And I think that model 2850 02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:35.239 is the best model. It completely does a way like 2851 02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:37.319 That's the major thing I don't like about Fortnite is 2852 02:18:37.360 --> 02:18:41.879 that there's so much FOMO baked into it, and same 2853 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.079 with other games like Legal Legends does the same thing. 2854 02:18:44.239 --> 02:18:46.360 Or they move things into legacy stuff that you then 2855 02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:49.879 have to find other avenues through their monetization system to 2856 02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:53.559 get that stuff out. And I like that those games 2857 02:18:53.639 --> 02:18:55.479 were just like, hey, we're gonna give you a pass 2858 02:18:55.600 --> 02:18:57.719 and you just get progress when you play the game. 2859 02:18:57.719 --> 02:19:01.120 You get capital p progress on anything you want whenever 2860 02:19:01.159 --> 02:19:04.399 you have chosen that you want as as your progression track, 2861 02:19:04.879 --> 02:19:09.719 and god, it made me like those games more like 2862 02:19:09.879 --> 02:19:12.959 outside their actual games themselves, I enjoyed being in their 2863 02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:15.760 ecosystems more than I enjoy being in the ecosystem of 2864 02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:18.120 something like a Fortnite. 2865 02:19:18.360 --> 02:19:21.360 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's that's solid throw money 2866 02:19:21.399 --> 02:19:22.280 yet Yeah. 2867 02:19:22.360 --> 02:19:28.719 I think my main takeaways from this is, uh, there's 2868 02:19:29.040 --> 02:19:33.040 there's not a lot. We're super enthusiastic about paying for 2869 02:19:33.440 --> 02:19:36.479 Maybe I'm projecting on this who here. 2870 02:19:36.399 --> 02:19:40.600 Is excited to spend money exactly exactly I mean, I 2871 02:19:40.639 --> 02:19:43.120 would say, you're you're enthusiastic about like Nintendo Switch online, 2872 02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:45.040 for example, where it's a thing where it's like the 2873 02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:47.840 it feels like it's worth the cost of the thing. 2874 02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:49.920 But I think, in a lot of instances a thing 2875 02:19:49.959 --> 02:19:52.840 that's interesting. And I know that this is all on purpose, 2876 02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:55.879 But like in a lot of instances, if I could 2877 02:19:56.520 --> 02:19:58.879 pick the things I want and get rid of the 2878 02:19:58.879 --> 02:20:01.319 stuff I don't want and just pay for like the 2879 02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:05.760 specific stuff I'm actually there for, I would I would 2880 02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:09.079 feel more respected. Not that they're trying to respect me, 2881 02:20:09.280 --> 02:20:11.360 they're just trying to get my money, and I know that, 2882 02:20:12.799 --> 02:20:15.319 but I uh, for example, like Ninten Switch thing, I 2883 02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:17.680 would have loved to just buy fire and lom Path 2884 02:20:17.680 --> 02:20:19.840 of Radiance. I don't love the idea that one day 2885 02:20:19.840 --> 02:20:23.000 they'll take it down, or my subscription might lapse, or 2886 02:20:23.120 --> 02:20:26.360 there'll be a new new console that's not compatible with 2887 02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:28.879 the Switch stuff, and then you know, I have to 2888 02:20:28.879 --> 02:20:30.680 buy it a new time, or there's a new subscription 2889 02:20:30.760 --> 02:20:34.879 or whatever. So I don't love the way of it, 2890 02:20:34.920 --> 02:20:37.559 and I I'm going to try to be more I 2891 02:20:37.559 --> 02:20:39.680 think proactive about canceling stuff. And I don't need it, 2892 02:20:39.719 --> 02:20:42.440 but it is just an interesting and interesting state of 2893 02:20:42.479 --> 02:20:45.639 the world of gaming right now. There's a lot of 2894 02:20:45.639 --> 02:20:48.920 ways to spend money, and it's easy to lose track 2895 02:20:48.959 --> 02:20:52.440 of the ways you are. If you're like a serious, dedicated. 2896 02:20:52.799 --> 02:20:55.879 Gamer, yes please, I think it's always important to take 2897 02:20:55.879 --> 02:20:58.239 a hard look at yourself. Check your budget every month. 2898 02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:01.440 I have aver for it. Monthly, I will review my 2899 02:21:01.520 --> 02:21:03.239 subs and go, like, what do I actually need? Am 2900 02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:05.000 I using Netflix right now? I'm I using that. I'm 2901 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:08.120 gonna cut it all right, be honest with yourself when 2902 02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:10.040 it comes to this stuff, because gaming is already an 2903 02:21:10.040 --> 02:21:13.760 expensive hobby without the subside to it. So like, you know, 2904 02:21:13.840 --> 02:21:15.360 keep as much money in your pocket as you can, 2905 02:21:15.440 --> 02:21:20.639 and remember these companies don't respect you, like no respect 2906 02:21:20.680 --> 02:21:20.920 for you. 2907 02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:26.840 I'm rock song about gaming subscriptions. 2908 02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:29.799 That is, I will say, like, that's the reason one 2909 02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:31.760 of the reasons why I've kept my fourteen sub is 2910 02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:34.760 I feel like that's at least very upfront and honest 2911 02:21:34.799 --> 02:21:37.399 of saying you pay us for the expansions because we 2912 02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:39.920 spend a lot of dev time making the expansions, and 2913 02:21:39.959 --> 02:21:42.920 then you pay us a monthly fee because there's a 2914 02:21:42.920 --> 02:21:44.959 ton of work and keeping an MMO up and running 2915 02:21:44.959 --> 02:21:47.719 an updated throughout the year. That is the money you 2916 02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:50.159 have to spend to play our game. That is the 2917 02:21:50.239 --> 02:21:54.159 deal we are making that, you know. Whereas other things 2918 02:21:54.239 --> 02:21:58.200 obfuscate so much, they put so much behind tiers, behind 2919 02:21:58.239 --> 02:22:00.399 feeling like oh I'm getting this, but I could be 2920 02:22:00.440 --> 02:22:02.639 getting a better value here, I could be doing something else. 2921 02:22:02.680 --> 02:22:04.159 I really do enjoy it more when it's just like, 2922 02:22:04.360 --> 02:22:07.440 here's the transaction we are making. We are a business. 2923 02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:09.879 You are the consumer. Would you like this? 2924 02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:10.639 Yes? Or no? 2925 02:22:10.719 --> 02:22:13.600 And I feel much more comfortable making that value exchange 2926 02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:15.719 than playing the whole like, well, am I getting my 2927 02:22:15.799 --> 02:22:17.959 money's worth out of this that I have to do 2928 02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:18.760 with other things? 2929 02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:23.520 Yeah? Well awesome. Thank you Charles for that, for that 2930 02:22:23.680 --> 02:22:27.000 discussion and topic, it was awesome, And thank you for 2931 02:22:27.159 --> 02:22:28.920 listening to the Game and Former show. We will be 2932 02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:33.079 back next week with a new episode once again. GameInformer 2933 02:22:33.079 --> 02:22:36.399 dot com slash subscribe get yourself a Game of Former 2934 02:22:36.440 --> 02:22:40.040 magazine subscription. It's the number one way to support Game Informer. 2935 02:22:40.440 --> 02:22:42.719 I believe if you subscribe now. You can still get 2936 02:22:43.040 --> 02:22:46.719 our Award to Worcraft Midnight issue, which also has our 2937 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.680 twenty twenty five Game of the Year awards inside, as 2938 02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:52.520 well an extra thick issue of the magazine. You can 2939 02:22:52.559 --> 02:22:56.239 also find it right now on newsstands and bookstores Barns 2940 02:22:56.280 --> 02:23:00.159 and Nobles, book Books a Million and US and many 2941 02:23:00.200 --> 02:23:03.920 places abroad. Still rolling out overseas. Still don't know exactly 2942 02:23:03.959 --> 02:23:07.799 which stores, like which exact stores in each country they 2943 02:23:07.879 --> 02:23:10.200 are in yet. We're sort of like learning that information 2944 02:23:10.520 --> 02:23:14.280 just anecdotically, but we will update you once we get 2945 02:23:14.360 --> 02:23:16.360 kind of like a confirmed list of like here is 2946 02:23:16.399 --> 02:23:19.760 the store in that in that the magazine will be 2947 02:23:19.959 --> 02:23:23.079 up here in in this specific country. But we have 2948 02:23:23.200 --> 02:23:25.159 been seeing them mount in the wild in different parts 2949 02:23:25.200 --> 02:23:29.000 of the world, which has been cool. Switch stock or 2950 02:23:29.040 --> 02:23:32.680 Twitch follows some Twitch. We've got two weekly streams. We 2951 02:23:32.760 --> 02:23:37.120 have a Wednesday stream usually streaming the latest and greatest releases, 2952 02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:42.040 and every Friday we have our super replay series. Last week, 2953 02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:45.040 Charles and I embarked on a new super replay series, 2954 02:23:45.079 --> 02:23:48.360 playing the entirety of Sonic in the Black Night, and 2955 02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:52.239 dare I say We're probably gonna finish the game this 2956 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:54.719 week because it's really short. 2957 02:23:54.879 --> 02:23:58.319 I didn't realize how short it was. I think I 2958 02:23:58.319 --> 02:24:00.920 think there's a and I'm might be making this up. 2959 02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:03.239 I think there's a semblance of a new game plus 2960 02:24:03.319 --> 02:24:05.440 or there's ways to go back and really, you know, 2961 02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:07.959 unlock all this stuff. So maybe if I'm like, if 2962 02:24:07.959 --> 02:24:09.600 we finish it, and I'm like, this wouldn't be that 2963 02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:11.399 hard one hundred percent, maybe we do like a third 2964 02:24:11.399 --> 02:24:12.360 episode or something. 2965 02:24:12.680 --> 02:24:16.200 I don't know, but yeah, just keep. 2966 02:24:16.040 --> 02:24:18.840 Saying it over and over again, get new stuff. 2967 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:21.479 That's what it's called super replay. Just keep playing the same. 2968 02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:27.280 Honestly, the game is as good as I remembered, which 2969 02:24:27.319 --> 02:24:30.319 is to say I've I remember thinking it was janky 2970 02:24:30.399 --> 02:24:33.319 and weirdly hard, but thinking it was so cool, And honestly, 2971 02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:36.079 I'm still like, this game has sauce. Man, I keep 2972 02:24:36.639 --> 02:24:38.920 all the aesthetic decisions. I'm such a big fan of 2973 02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:41.000 It's so weird and I love it. 2974 02:24:42.200 --> 02:24:44.159 Yeah, as a passenger that this is their first real 2975 02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:46.719 exposure to this, I'm like, man, this is this looks awful, 2976 02:24:46.920 --> 02:24:48.280 but I love it. 2977 02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:53.719 I'm so glad I'm not playing this video game myself. 2978 02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:57.600 It's fun. He has a sword. You guys are allergic 2979 02:24:57.719 --> 02:25:01.639 talk joy and fantasy. You didn't want me talking so 2980 02:25:02.000 --> 02:25:03.319 like a snburn. 2981 02:25:02.920 --> 02:25:05.760 Has eyes and a British accent, of course. 2982 02:25:06.079 --> 02:25:13.680 Of course, whether or not he's a knave. Yeah, yeah, 2983 02:25:13.719 --> 02:25:14.719 that's what you want, right. 2984 02:25:14.680 --> 02:25:18.000 Eric, Yeah, yeah, you got Grimore vice from near but 2985 02:25:18.079 --> 02:25:20.719 it's a sword now and it's talking the Hedgehog. 2986 02:25:20.840 --> 02:25:25.959 Yeah okay, kind of is actually yeah crazy, so yeah, 2987 02:25:26.079 --> 02:25:28.239 tune in. It's Friday for what could very well be 2988 02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:32.040 the conclusion of Oursanic and a Black Knight Secret Replay, 2989 02:25:32.079 --> 02:25:35.879 our secret replay, Super Replay. We should start that series 2990 02:25:35.879 --> 02:25:36.799 secret we started. 2991 02:25:38.000 --> 02:25:39.760 We don't tell people when we start streaming. 2992 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:41.079 Yeah, we get no viewers. 2993 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:44.120 It's the valves deadlock of super Replay. 2994 02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:48.280 Yeah yeah, unlisted YouTube links. 2995 02:25:49.399 --> 02:25:52.559 I guess the characters. 2996 02:25:52.600 --> 02:25:55.360 This is a bit that could evolve. We could do 2997 02:25:55.440 --> 02:25:56.040 something with this. 2998 02:25:57.520 --> 02:25:59.680 You can follow us on social media. I'm at Marcus 2999 02:25:59.680 --> 02:26:03.239 Stewart seven, Charles is at Chuck Duck three sixty five. 3000 02:26:03.959 --> 02:26:07.639 Eric is at c Muci and yeah, visit gameforma dot com, 3001 02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:10.920 subscribe to our YouTube channel, share, spread to all the 3002 02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:16.239 podcasts on all your podcasts websites. All that stuff helps 3003 02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:18.799 us out a lot, and we appreciate it. Yes, we 3004 02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:20.879 will see you next week with another episode of the 3005 02:26:20.879 --> 02:26:23.440 Game and Former Show. Until then, hope you have a 3006 02:26:23.479 --> 02:26:51.239 wonderful weekend. Bye.