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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Game and Former Show, a

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weekly podcast covering the video game industry. Join us each

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and every week for a discussion with the latest gaming news, reviews,

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and exclusive reveals with Game and Former staff and special

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guests from around the industry. I am your host, Marcus Stewart.

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I am joined by Eric Van Allen.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Completely normal intro time. One hundred percent normal intro time.

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And when I think of normal intro times, you would

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not believe the number of times I've had to on

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the spot come up with weird intros for Charles Hart's

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based on previous statements, and this is the latest one,

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because Charles Art is the Gang of completely normal intros.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, yes, Hello, my name is Charles Hart.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Here's my business card.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can tell this is definitely the first

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time that we've recorded this intro. This is our first take. Yeah. Yeah,

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they start calling to stephen A. Smith because we're the

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King of first Takes. It is the show, right first.

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Speaker 3: I like how you couldn't even say the phrase king

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of first takes in one smooth sentence as opposed to me,

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who is normal and professional all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, got the real Brian Gumble voice performance going on

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there and I like it. Hey, everybody, this week we're

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gonna be talking about a few games. We got a

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brand new game that came out this week called Big Hops.

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If you followed the game the former YouTube channel, you

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want have seen our new game play today video with

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Charles Hart and Eric Van Allen playing through it. But

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we're gonna have Charles give us the rundown.

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Speaker 3: Changeable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Alex van Aiken, I got I did

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the thing, I got the vans.

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Speaker 2: It was gonna happen sooner early. Everyone on staff has

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done it at least once. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: You were saying you were rejecting the idea of Big

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Hops from like a conceptual level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hops should not be that big there.

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The Hops are too big in that game. I can't

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play him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, you're like Judy Hops size nice and small? No, no,

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taller than her, that's what you've always said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely said.

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Speaker 3: Eric will stop talking about Judy Hops. He always brings

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her up when we're talking to the platforms, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like how she's the appropriate height and upsetting she was taller.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna veto this whole, this

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whole side, this whole side train of thought.

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Speaker 1: We just gotta go.

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Speaker 2: Started the intro of this podcast saying it was too

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much and we needed to do a different.

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Speaker 1: We immediately came back to Judy hop.

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as I was saying before I killed myself with my

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own dumb joke, we're gonna be talking about big Ops.

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We're gonna be talking about Middle Gear, Solid Delta, We're

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gonna be talking about Dragon Age to Veilguard, and also

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Fire and Bloom Path of Radiance. As we're kind of

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some stuff, maybe play some older games for the first

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time or finishing up at least in my case, some

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of my Lingering twenty twenty five games. And then we're

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gonna take a quick break and when we come back,

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we're gonna talk about something I don't think we've we've

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ever really dived into on the show that I can recall.

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It's the state of subscription services in video games. So

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we're talking about your Xbox Game Pass, your PlayStation networks,

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you're a Nintendo switch on lines, maybe even your Apple Arcades.

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We're gonna be kind kind of like the start of

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current land and kind of talk about whether or not,

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you know, if we find whatever services that were subscribed

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to still worth the money, kind of talk about maybe

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how the prices have changed over the years, and by change,

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and whether or not they still command the same value

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as they did maybe when they started, and maybe even

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and whether or not more or less people adopt them

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over time. So stay tuned for that in the back

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half at the show. But yes, as we alluded to,

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completely normally big hops new three D platformer out this

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week by a small developer named a lot big luckshot

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luckshot games, luck shot games where you control a frog.

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It's our first froggy game of twenty twenty, and it's

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got a lot of like kind of three D Mario

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meets a bit of Breath at a Wild to it,

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where you're just Frog exploring this big and really like

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vibrant and just sort of cheery three world. But Charles,

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you've been playing this, tell us all about big Hops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been playing a good bit. I'm like five

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hours in the game from my I think from what

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there's like three big main areas, and I just beat

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one of those big main areas.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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and he basically gets like teleported into another dimension and

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he's trying to go home. In order to go home,

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he needs these airship parts so he can, I guess,

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fly back home. And Yeah, the actual gameplay is you

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like movement techniques, and one of the things I was

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one of my favorite things about it is there's often

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of them just like spawns ropes that you can like

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unquote breaking the game in that regard isn't actually like

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ruining the fun at all. And they're kind of like

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embracing the very like systems based exploration. So it's a

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game that's like begging to be speed ram like. It's

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one of those things that you'll see the techniques when

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it comes out eventually, and it's gonna look crazier. You're

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use it for absolutely bonkers things. And yeah, it's voice

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acted pretty well. It's very cute. As I've played, I've

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gotten like a little bit more glitches, Like it's it's

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a little unpolished. It's been development for like six years

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or so, but there's still just some things here and there.

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in video games how there's a pole sticking out of

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the wall and you can jump towards it and then

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degrees the Prince of Persia. Yeah, a very very classic

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video item. I was just a thing just now. I

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was like, huh, that's very video gaming. I've never seen

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someone do that in real life. I mean I've seen

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it at like the Olympics, but not like, you know, yeah, yeah,

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have poles sticking out of walls anyways? But yeah, I

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laid back, and it's a nice like start to the

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they actually display in sort of the video preview like

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this is like a fifteen hour main game, but it

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could take you over thirty hours one hundred percent, which

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that's a lot bigger than I thought this game was.

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like an hour, but like five hours tops. It's sort

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actually pretty cool that it's it's as big as it seemingly.

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all fully voiced. Even just watching the like kind of

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the archived stream of the developer playing it, like, there's

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a lot of cool stuff. I'm just just washing of, like, oh,

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using your tongue to do a bunch of things, or

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like there's like a point where like Hops throws like

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a balloon on a ship to help it rise out

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of the sea, which gave me like metal gear full

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recovery vibes.

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Speaker 2: I was stuck on.

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Speaker 1: Oh did I just.

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Speaker 3: Literally the last time I played the game, it was like,

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help help lift the ship out of the water, and

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I was like, I don't freaking know how to do that.

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On an unrelated note, I found these fun new balloon

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veggies and I haven't really used them for anything.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: It's not like I was I was like stuck, stuck,

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like you know, I could have I probably could have

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solved whatever I wanted to yet now. Yeah, but yeah,

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that's cool, that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's also like, uh, there's little uh purple collectibles. I

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over time, you unlock little trinkets, which are like patches

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you put on your character's backpack, and those will give

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like rocks and pots and stuff, and anytime you eat something,

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badge and then you're basically just always have health around.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have that badge in real life.

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That'd be sick. That'd be awesome. All my problems solved.

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Just eat everything?

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Speaker 1: Yeah does it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, No, let's talk about the game. I was gonna

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get us on a different tangent over again, Mark, as.

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Speaker 1: You say what you were gonna say, I was just saying,

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I like how all the NPCs just look like like

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they look like animal crossing villagers if they were, if

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they were all Yeah, somewhat sus like, yeah, they all have,

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Like some of them have just like wide eyed, just

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almost looked like they've seen things. Like some of them

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just look straight up shady, like there's like there's like

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a little bit of a I don't know if that

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actually translates into like their characters or conversations, but just

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looking at them, it's just like everyone here just looks

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a little weird and off in a way that.

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Speaker 2: I are you worried that something is afoot in big

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hops or like you're walking into a situation where you

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don't really know what's going on. But they all do

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like like kind of a midsomar situation going.

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Speaker 3: On, like oh wow, I'll tell you, you take two

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steps into dusty bluffs and you'll know that something's wrong,

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something's wrong in that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah yeah, but uh but yeah, uh it

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seems cool. I want to play it, And you know,

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this is a good month for for something like this.

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I said, it's available now as of this week. It's

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on like you're playing on PS five, It's on Steam,

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and I believe it's also on Switch. Yes, yes, yes,

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kind of leaning towards my platform. I think I'm like

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playing on Switch.

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Speaker 3: I would like switch. I don't know how it runs

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on Switch, Like I was saying, there's some like slight

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technical issues on PS five, so I'm curious to see

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how it performs there. I was gonna say, just on

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the note of like you were talking about the character designs,

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there is a character she's like a villain woman, and

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she like cusses, but the game like bleeps it out,

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which I think is very It's like a really good

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way of like, I don't know, emphasizing how mean this

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person is while still kind of keeping a kid friendly.

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an unbleeped swear because it's like you have no idea

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what she said in that instance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it like a proper bleep or did they

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have like a cute bleep or cute sensor.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a proper bleep, okay. And even though like textbox,

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it's like a bunch of like in a comic book

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where they swear, it's just a bunch of like ampersand

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exclamation point parentheses, et cetera. That kind of thing. Yeah,

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that's good.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Yeah, big hops check it out now. And also

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check out our new Gameplay Today video on our YouTube

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channel if you want to see Charles play himself. I

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referenced the Fulton recovery system in this because I've got

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metal Gear on the brain, because I've finished Metal Gear

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Solid Delta Snake Eater. I mentioned it last week that

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it was my kind of my Winter Break game, and

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I have since completed it, and I've also you know,

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in another shout out to mind Max, I watched the

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Deepest Dive for that game immediately highly recommend. I thought

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it was very entertaining and funny, and you guys also

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had a lot of really great points. I was kind

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of Enhansen Boat where it was the first time I

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played that game from start to finish since it came

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out so about twenty years and so there were a

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lot of things that I like. There were a lot

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of the broad strokes that I remember, like I remember

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all the boss fights and stuff. But then there are

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other segments where I was like, oh, I completely forgot

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this was in the game, like the the EVA babysitting part.

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Towards the I was like, I don't remember this as

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ad the like did they add this in the remix?

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Is this is like the one thing that added. How

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do I have no memory of this?

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if they remade your favorite game and

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they put an undred hundred vibe but then they added

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a mandatory score score for the final box fight.

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, this game was missing the

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first time that I think fans would really go crazy for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's add a turret sequence while we're at it.

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That game definitely doesn't have a turret sequence, right. It's

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it's funny you think about mel gear Solid like three

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Delta whatever. It does have a lot of those moments

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that have been reviled in games. It just does them

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really really well. IMO.

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Speaker 1: That's and it's weird because I so I played with

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the modern setup so kind of like the like the

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Phantom Pain style. Basically it plays like a proper third

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person shooter.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, you're saying, like the camera controls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the camera controls and all that stuff. So

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I didn't play an the original forms because like, oh

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I already did that. I kind of want to see

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what this looks like with modern controls. And the entwer

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is good to the point of almost trivializing some of

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the boss eyes or you realize like it still has

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a lot of the this game is such a faithful

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remake that you can still just see like, oh, yeah,

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this is this is puzzle design of the era, or

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like this is like a level design of like oh,

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I've in my brain again my twenty year old rose

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colored glasses of this game. I'm picturing like, man, this

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game is like a giant forest and it was all

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sprawling and you're sneaking through all these bushes and it

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takes forever, and then like it's just these little like

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square zones of just like here's a few trees or

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some bushes. You're gonna like very quickly get to the

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other side of this and transition to another area. And

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you're like, oh, yeah, I guess it was. But you know,

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again in two thousand and four, when this came out,

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like that, like the biggest games I'd ever played up

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to that point and kind of were around were like

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GC or whatever. So it's like, I know it wasn't

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a scale of that, but I thought like, oh, this

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is like the second biggest thing I've ever played, because

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look how big this forest is. And it was fun

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almost kind of having that like like bucket of water

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dumped on me. I'm like, oh, yeah, these were like

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small little areas you can get through this game. And

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also like the length of it was kind of my

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biggest sort of like shell shock of like when I

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realized how far I'd gotten in such little time, and

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you know, I wasn't skipping cutscenes or anything like that,

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and I was like, oh man, I've only put in

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like five hours and I'm like, well, like way through

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this game, and I didn't realize that. I guess in

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my mind, the cober fights were a lot more spaced

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out than they are and maybe because I I think,

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like I just it just took me longer to do

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things back then, where it's like now I'm a you know,

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more experienced gamer, and I know how to just handle

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things better. I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna get

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through this sneaking area pretty quick. I'm still getting caught

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every two seconds, but like I'm just tranking everyone ahead

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and moving on.

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Speaker 2: This is a weird philosophical question for you and maybe

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for the room. Do you find that as you've gotten older,

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do you focus on objectives and completion more often? Because

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I was legitimately thinking about this the other day that

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I think maybe not all the time when I was younger,

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but certainly for a decent degree of it, I saw

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games more as like play, as experience, as like creating things.

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I think Charles, your example that you've given before of

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the games you would create within the lego games are

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a great example of this of inventing ways of play

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within an established means of play. And I have noticed

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that as I've gotten older, I have a very like, well,

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I need to get this done, I need to complete this,

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I need to move on to the next thing, because

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accomplishment is the goal and objectives are the ultimate meter

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of my success. And do you find that has changed

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at all, Like maybe when you played way in the past,

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you just did more stuff in the world that was

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not tied to just moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's a mix of both. I mean

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that mindset has definitely like that has become a thing,

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especially with this job or where it is a lot

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of like I need to get through this so I

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can move on to the next thing that I have

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to play for coverage, you know, But I also try

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to make a point to like savor it and not

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just make it a like I just need to get

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through this, I need to like fast forward through all

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the dialogues. I need to get to the thing, Like

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I don't do that. But with this game, I think

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because I played it before and even though my memory

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was fuzzy, I still remembered like a lot of the

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gameplay stuff. So there were things where like, oh, I

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got through this area faster because I I know there's

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nothing here, or I know a lot of the tricks,

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or remember a lot of the tricks so I can

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kind of just do them at will now instead of

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kind of like you know, when it's your first time,

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you're still poking around ye just saying like what can

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I do? There was less of that, and it was

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more just remembering like oh yeah, I think when I

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get to the spot, I can do this, or if

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I go into menu and spin around, I can make

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snake throw up. And you know, it doesn't take me

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like hours to discover that. I just know how to

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do it. So like a bit a column may have

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been a column be for this, But I think some

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of that is a consequence of replaying this rather than

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being my first time. Like I don't know, Charles might

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be a better person to ask that too, of like

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someone going to the first time, did you feel like,

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and I know you were on the deadline for like

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the deepest dives. He kind of did have a bit

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of a like I need to get through this within

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a time. Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: It was like, uh uh, I do think that was

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a thing that is so it always impresses me about

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the Middle Gear games, which I've mentioned a few times

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on the show specifically, but it's it's been a while

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that I've played them. Very recently. I played one and

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two in the like HD collection and then this was

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the first time I played three last August September whenever.

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That was y But I am consistently impressed by the

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amount of like tools.

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Speaker 1: They give you.

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Speaker 3: But they feel like toys, just in a way that

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it's like, uh, like there's mouse traps in the game,

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and you can put it on the ground and someone

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will step on a mouse trap. It's not optimal there.

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I never had a reason to use a mouse trap really,

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but there's so many things that are like mouse trap

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caliber items you can just pick up and use in

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the game that I can definitely see someone being like, oh,

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I want to use all these items or I just

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want to use a lot of stuff and have a

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lot of fun, or you can just like use the

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trank gun and go through the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did make a point to do things like

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do things I didn't do the first time around, of

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like not just relying on a trank gun, which is

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like my to me, that is just the main weapon

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for Snake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what the PP seven is the James Bond is

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the trank gun to Snake in my eyes. So like

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but even in the original, like I I would kill

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people if it came down to it, but this one,

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I actually did a non lethal run with the exceptions.

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But when I got when I got to the Sorrow Fight,

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no one was there except for the bosses, so it

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was like incredibly easy to get through, whereas I remember

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the first time, it was a lot more of like,

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oh this is this is a bit rough. There's some

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like it wasn't like a complete masker, but there was enough,

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like I killed enough people to make it like more

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of an of an exercise to get through. So it

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was fun. Like even the final like you know, I'll

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avoid spoilers, but like the last quort of like big

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Chase sequence, I still use the uh the TRNK for

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that where it's like, I think that is when the

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game gives you permission to be like you can just

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go crazy now, but even.

477
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: Then, actually, hey, it's it's cool, you can do you

478
00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:28,680
can do this now.

479
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: But I played that in the whole chase with just

480
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,799
the train gun, which was very dumb but very funny

481
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,559
because then guys are falling asleep on the motorcycle and

482
00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,680
then crashing and exploding and dying anyway. Yeah, so it's

483
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,000
like but in my mind, I was like, does that

484
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:43,559
count as a tally against me? When I get the

485
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:45,240
final thing? Are they gonna say I killed them? Even

486
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,319
though I mean I technically didn't kill them. I don't.

487
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,839
I don't know if that would hold up in court

488
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,359
of like, well, I put them to sleep, what happens

489
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,039
after they go to sleep? Is that all me? You know?

490
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,039
Speaker 2: Batman logic over here, Like yeah, I just punched them

491
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,200
really hard in the head over and over again.

492
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

493
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: They died three days later in the hospital.

494
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: But I didn't kill it then.

495
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:10,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to What was the line in

496
00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:11,759
Batman begins like I'm not going to kill you, but

497
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,079
I don't have to say you either.

498
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I don't think I think that's

499
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:21,720
the murder. I think it's I think it's manslaughter. I

500
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:27,960
don't we don't need to get into it. Yeah, I

501
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,759
was gonna say the Sorrow Fight is a good example

502
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:33,960
of that game where like my issue with it now

503
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,759
and it's like it's like a fun thing on paper,

504
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,640
but when you're actually playing it's always annoying, where it's

505
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,400
like a lot of times sometimes there is a very

506
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,759
specific way you're supposed to do stuff, and just the

507
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:47,480
act of figuring that out is like really annoying. If

508
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,559
you think of it in the moment, or you already

509
00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:51,400
know what it is, it's like a cool thing. But

510
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,200
that was one of the things as I was playing

511
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,319
the game, being frustrated and having a hard time figuring

512
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,599
out what the puzzle was in a game that seems

513
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,559
it's so cinematic and so linear that I often, uh,

514
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,880
Snake has such a strong personality in a way that

515
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,640
a lot of video game protagonists don't that A lot

516
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,680
of times I'm like, I'm I feel like I'm failing

517
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,720
Snake's legacy here by not knowing.

518
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: What to do.

519
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,599
Speaker 3: Whereas, like, you know, if Mario has a hard time

520
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,359
jumping up a thing. It's like, I don't know that's Mario.

521
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,759
He doesn't have much of personality.

522
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,559
Speaker 1: I have that same reaction when I played Double Make

523
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,839
Cry games badly, where it's like, yeah, yeah, I'm making

524
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,680
him not cool if I don't get that, like if

525
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,160
I get like.

526
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,519
Speaker 3: A d yeah, master Chief would never die and I'm

527
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:42,799
you're letting him down inhalal legendary difficulty. Yeah, that's what

528
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,079
it feels like. But I uh, I was gonna say

529
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,359
also to Eric's thing earlier of like, uh, games within games,

530
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,039
I think of that as like games as toys, where

531
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,400
it's like there's no there's no like objective. This is

532
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,160
just like my things, and this is what they do

533
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480
when they interact, and I do. I would I would

534
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,039
have liked to play Middle Gears Alt three Younger with

535
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,440
no Deadline with a bunch of like fourteen year olds,

536
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,119
because I feel like you go to like you go

537
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,240
to one friend's house and they'd be like, oh, I've

538
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,279
got one hundred hours. And I had one friend who

539
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,200
had one hundred hours in the Legends of the Twilight

540
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,359
Princess and did not leave Ordon Village. He like couldn't

541
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,200
figure out how to get out into like high rul Field,

542
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,880
into like the main part of the game. He just

543
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,160
had so much fun as like a twelve year old

544
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,480
just running around and jumping off stuff and fishing really badly.

545
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,519
Like yeah, that was enough for him going out like

546
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480
chasing sheep and I don't even know how often you

547
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,039
can do it. It's crazy. It was like me showing him

548
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,680
was like there's a lot of stuff in this game

549
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,000
and he just had no concept of it.

550
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,519
Speaker 2: He like freaks out. He's like, I need to go

551
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,480
back again. I'm not ready for this.

552
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: It's like the game equivalent of that Tiny Toon Summer

553
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,079
Vacation episode where they take this big road trip to

554
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,960
this amusement park and all Hampton's family wants to ride

555
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,359
the monorail, and then they leave and you're like, what

556
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,880
about this other stuff? Now? This this is all we need.

557
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: This is the ride.

558
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: I will say my biggest takeaway after playing this is

559
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,519
that it made me miss having a new metal gear

560
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,799
to look forward to, because I remember listening to The

561
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:19,400
Deepest Dive and I think it was the first episode

562
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,440
where you and I think Haley were sort of like

563
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,839
kind of jokingly but like semi seriously asking like did

564
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,440
you guys think this was like actually good writing. Back then,

565
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,160
guys were kind of making fun of it a little bit.

566
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,559
But I remember like also like nodding to myself, like

567
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,720
as a high schooler when this game came out, I

568
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,640
one thousand percent was like, this is peak video game.

569
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,839
Like this is like there's nothing like like this the intrigue,

570
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,000
but like this is so deep we don't even know

571
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,920
all the layers so far. Like video games, there's no

572
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:55,440
video game that touches metal gear with this, right it is.

573
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: It is a little bit of that. I will say,

574
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:02,039
like Snake Eater is made be one of the better

575
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,200
written Metal Gear solids. Like two and three I think

576
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,680
are kind of the peak for me of that series,

577
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:11,839
and then four falls off a little bit. I never

578
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,759
played four. I watched I like sat on a couch

579
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:17,079
as my roommate played through four, and then five was

580
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,480
absolutely bonkers in every possible conceivable way. I love five

581
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,519
as a game. Five as a story is a completely

582
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:30,319
different scenario. But three is like three is a really

583
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,519
really good Bond movie or like a really good mission impossible.

584
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,000
That's how I always saw it is. It's got all

585
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,240
the spy thriller intrigue and nations, and it does have

586
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160
the ending, which I think is really really solid.

587
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering how it reacted. I remember at

588
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:50,960
the time I was genuinely emotional watching that final ending

589
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,440
for the first time. And then like even still feeling

590
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,559
it now, even though I know it wasn't nearly you know,

591
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,599
I didn't have nearly as a visceral reaction to it

592
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,200
as I did the first time I played it, it

593
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
was still like, yeah, this still, this is still effective,

594
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,240
Like this is still like a cool revelation. I guess

595
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,359
even though it's it's in hindsight, it's sort of telegraphed

596
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,640
a lot more than I realized back then. But yeah,

597
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,759
and then even the final like the final final, like

598
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,920
post credits stinger and again going back to wanting to

599
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,680
live in this era of metal gear, Like you know,

600
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,759
now I know the answers to everything, I know the

601
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,319
I know where the series goes. But at the time

602
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,160
when you didn't, I was like, oh my god, this

603
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,519
is shocking. Oh, I can't wait for the next man

604
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,119
they did it again. Oh, I can't wait to know

605
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,519
where all of this is gonna go. And it did

606
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,359
make me a stat like man I wish I could

607
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,000
scrap my brain of the series and like re experience

608
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,640
it again and and have that Like I get the

609
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720
same feeling when I think of Assassin's Creed two, where

610
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,079
like that for me was like the hype of intrigue

611
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,880
of that series with everything of like the truth and

612
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,599
like where are we gonna go? Oh, like the implications

613
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,720
of everything with the appam like, oh, I can't wait

614
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,559
for Assassin's Creed three, Like I wish I could go

615
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,000
back to that era too before they you know, kind

616
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,880
of fumble the bag with that stuff, at least in

617
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,160
my opinion. But yeah, there was like a it does

618
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,240
make me want to immediately replay for like I just

619
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,680
want to dust off my PS four and I still

620
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,440
have my copy of or PS three. I should say

621
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,640
and pop in my copy of four and play it again.

622
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,359
And I really hope that you get to play at Charles,

623
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,240
I remember you saying you were interested in I hope

624
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:27,599
you find a way to play. I think four is fascinating,

625
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,279
Like it's a good game. I think it's yeah, like

626
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,240
the story stuff because it is the Avengers in game

627
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,960
of metal Gear of like we have been building like

628
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,920
everything we've been building up to happens in this game,

629
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,440
and we're gonna tie We're gonna painstakingly tie up all

630
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,000
the loose ends in this game.

631
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:50,039
Speaker 2: It's also like gameplay wise, maybe the weirdest of the bunch,

632
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,759
just with I remember very specific segments of just doing

633
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,960
things that felt very not Metal gear solid. There's that

634
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,119
whole spy sequence and all that. Also, there's a podcast

635
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,440
in it that's hosted by Jeff Keey, Right, There's there's

636
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,440
like all this really weird stuff embedded in the game.

637
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: There's the Universe podcast, the weird commercials when you're first installing. Yes, yeah,

638
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,200
action there's.

639
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: That's kind of awesome though, I think and it was

640
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,519
it was him like smoking during the loading thing, right,

641
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:28,200
that was like infamous. Yeah, it's a forever.

642
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,759
Speaker 1: To install that game. They're like, you can watch snake smoke.

643
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,519
I guess on this bar slowly.

644
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,279
Speaker 2: I can forgive a lot of shortcomings of a game

645
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,279
just exudes itself. It's personality, it's aura that much like

646
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,680
if it's so obsessed with what it itself is doing,

647
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,519
I can I can get on board with that.

648
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I'm I'm annoyed that some stuff was A

649
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,640
four was spoiled for you, Charles. I was like screaming

650
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,839
when I was watching and Dan kind of say something

651
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000
some pretty wild some pretty wild things that happening for

652
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,960
just kind of say. I was like, no, don't tell them,

653
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:04,720
don't tell them that.

654
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,599
Speaker 3: That's also a thing that like so much happens in

655
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,519
metal Gear and like they like the people that really

656
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:16,599
like metal Gear really like uh marinate in it and

657
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,839
like talk about it a lot, and I think get

658
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,039
more of an understanding of it. I played Metal Gear

659
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,640
Solid one, two, and three all within the last two

660
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:29,279
or three years, and I I would have a hard

661
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,359
time even giving you a basic plot rundown of all

662
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
of them. So it's a thing that like I I

663
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,880
think I remembered the thing that they spoiled. I couldn't.

664
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440
I couldn't imagine the context that could appear in and

665
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,039
by the time I do actually play the game, I

666
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:44,240
will have completely forgotten.

667
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, so tanks with legs, yes, Solid snake okay. Yeah,

668
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,920
And I don't know what's the third pillar of Metal

669
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Gear series.

670
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,559
Speaker 2: I don't even want to. I was gonna say something else,

671
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,000
but that would spoil more.

672
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, everyone's just wild. Yeah, movies who's that.

673
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Guy that farts all the time.

674
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny poo his pants a lot.

675
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

676
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,839
Speaker 3: Oh that's right.

677
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: I do I know him. He's in MeTL Gear Solid three,

678
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,720
He's he's in every Metal Gear Solid is he?

679
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:19,799
Speaker 3: Oh? I thought he was introduced in this one. See

680
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:20,559
that's the kind of.

681
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: This one.

682
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,759
Speaker 2: This game is like yeah, yeah.

683
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:30,279
Speaker 3: It's it's really good and maybe really bad. Like it's

684
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,160
it's so specific. I have I love trying to wrap

685
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000
my mind around mel Gear Solid three, where I'm like,

686
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,119
I have no idea how I feel about it. I

687
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,839
think I just like playing it. Maybe that just means good.

688
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
I don't know. But just the fact that I like,

689
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,200
we we had all this conversation. They're like, Charles, did

690
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,480
you do the thing and then go to sleep and

691
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,799
then play this secret second game or whatever?

692
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: I was like what?

693
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: And just like the Nightmare sequence and Melo Gear Slid three,

694
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
it's like a great example of like, I don't know, Eric,

695
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,400
you haven't listening the deepest die. But one of our

696
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,119
one of our bits is that we're like this game

697
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
was designed to be talked about at recess in junior high,

698
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,920
Like that's all everything in there is, like whoa did

699
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,519
you do you know you can do this and mail

700
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,640
your saw three? What if you spend sneak around in

701
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:07,920
the menu?

702
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,279
Speaker 2: Throws up no way, Yeah, and then I can't see

703
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,880
that I think of when I think of that, I

704
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,640
think of Pokemon, but that that I also also.

705
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was a water like

706
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,559
I had that in high school, Like it was a

707
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,200
water cooler game of like, did you know that you

708
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,240
could do this? You're like, what what are you talking about?

709
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,920
But yes, that That is a long winded way to

710
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
say I finished Medical your Solid Delta. It's still a

711
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920
really good game. It's a great remake. It's pretty much

712
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,799
gonna be I think the fact of way to play

713
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,559
the game, just because of how faithful it is. But

714
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,039
also it stands enough, says enough of the rough edges

715
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,880
down to make it like the ideal version of that game.

716
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,319
So highly recommend if you've ever wanted to get into

717
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,680
the middle of your series. And also listen to the

718
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,319
med Maxnifasie when a game because it's extremely entertaining. I

719
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:56,839
thoroughly enjoyed it. Other games, Eric, you have been playing

720
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,559
Dragon Age the Veil Guard.

721
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Which I'm for the second time. This is my second

722
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,200
run through the game. Yeah, So for those who don't know,

723
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,119
I co host a podcast called norm DFM with Kenna Sheppard.

724
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,000
We play through games in kind of a game club

725
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,760
style format, if you can tell from the name of

726
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,719
the show it is mostly It started as a BioWare thing.

727
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,480
We started with Mass Effect and dragon Age, and then

728
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,199
we kind of went onto other series because Byowear kind

729
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,599
of stopped making games for a while, and so we

730
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,800
did stuff like fal Fantasy ten and Last of Us

731
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,360
and Cyberpunk. That was a fun season and now we're

732
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,599
back on Biowear for dragon Age of the Veil Guard

733
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,440
this year. So I've been playing that for our episodes

734
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,280
and dragon Age is the Veilguard. We don't need to

735
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,800
spend too much time on it, but it was It's

736
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
such an interesting game to play. I know, this game

737
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,840
only came out a couple of years ago. It's not

738
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,440
very old and was certainly the topic of hot discussion, controversy,

739
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,719
just everybody just talking about it even before the game

740
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,119
was out, but definitely like once it was out there

741
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,519
in the world, it was the discourse DuJour for for

742
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,239
quite a bit, and so having a little bit of

743
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,559
space to kind of take a breath, come back and

744
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,400
see how I feel about the game has been really

745
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,559
interesting because it illustrates obviously, it's a game that's very

746
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,039
emblematic of how it was made, if that makes sense,

747
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,159
Like it was you can tell you know when you're

748
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,159
playing the game that there are kind of bits and

749
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,719
pieces that all seem reminiscent of games like Destiny and

750
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
other service games. And there's a lot of reports and

751
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,519
stuff out there from folks like Jason Tryer that've detailed

752
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:41,400
the long and troubled development that went behind what became

753
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,199
The Vailguard, which itself was Dragon Age Dreadwolf before it,

754
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,920
and then just Dragon Age four question Mark before that

755
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,880
for years and years. Wolf is still a better name.

756
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,480
Dreadwolf is still a better name. I still really don't

757
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,320
get the reasoning behind I have heard the reasoning behind it.

758
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000
I've had plain to me. I still think Dreadwolf is

759
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,519
a better name. But it's a really interesting game to play.

760
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,400
In light of I almost didn't bring it up for

761
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,119
the podcast, and then we mentioned that, Hey, also, Anthem

762
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,039
shut down the other day. It is fully turned off

763
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:26,119
servers down. You basically can't play Anthem. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,280
In the way. That's happening to a lot of online

765
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,119
games and online services as they kind of launch and

766
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,280
find an audience or don't, and even if they do,

767
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
maybe the audience doesn't stay forever and then they eventually

768
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,639
sunset and we'll get into this deeper. But it felt

769
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,800
like a good way to kind of establish a stepping

770
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,559
stone into the second half of this podcast of even

771
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,760
Vailguard has weird stuff tied into it with I think

772
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,239
it has some online stuff, although most of it had

773
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,079
been extricated by the time it came out. But it

774
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,000
illustrates what bio where I was always going through throughout

775
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:03,840
the years. You know, I think a lot of people

776
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,079
look at Anthem and they say that that was the

777
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,119
example of electronic arts exerting influence on biowear, right, Like,

778
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,960
here's BioWare the thing that you know for mass Effect

779
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,360
and dragon Age. They're making an iron Man live service

780
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,079
shooter basically. But you go back to Mass Effect two

781
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,840
and they had the Cervice network. You go back to

782
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,880
Mass Effect three, they had loot crates. Remember lout crates,

783
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,159
those were in Mass Effect three. That was that was

784
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,719
like that was like the testing ground for them, and

785
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,199
I think It's been really interesting to go back through

786
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,119
that through the lens of the Veil Guard and just

787
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:41,320
kind of see it as right, you know, right now.

788
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,360
After after Veil Guard, Biowear had tons of layoffs, a

789
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,039
lot of talent left. A lot of people from Biowear

790
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,079
have been very vocal about that in the past, about

791
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,519
the situation that led to that and the reasons why

792
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,440
they have left the company. A lot of them have

793
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:59,039
gone off to spin up new places that are now

794
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,559
working on their own RPGs, their own games. I think

795
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:08,199
the the idea of entities outside Biowear making BioWare games

796
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,159
has become a very popular thing. You have games like

797
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,920
greed Fall and even Balder's Gate three, which is very

798
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,199
much a Larriyan style game, but also takes a lot

799
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,199
of influence from BioWare's take on RPGs. Just played DOS

800
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,719
two and then played BG three, and you can see

801
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,840
the difference. So yeah, I guess that's my winding way

802
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,199
of saying that I don't know that I love Vailguard.

803
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,440
In fact, a lot of times I dislike it.

804
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: It has more or less this.

805
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: I kind of like it less, and I already was

806
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,199
not really warm on it to begin with for a

807
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,920
variety of reasons, I was already kind of in you know,

808
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440
I didn't review it at the time because of other

809
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:55,880
mess that happens, but I did play it, you know,

810
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,119
play an early copy when it came out, and and

811
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,480
I I think I came out of it feeling very

812
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,239
middling on it, Like that wasn't the worst thing I've

813
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,320
ever played, But it certainly wasn't you know, what I

814
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,199
would have hoped for from a new Dragon Age. And

815
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,199
now I'm playing it, and for every moment that I see,

816
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,199
this was the vision, this is the idea. They really

817
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,239
had something this stuff with. I actually just finished playing

818
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,159
the emeric section. If if you were familiar with Vailguard,

819
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,039
but there's a character who is the most vincent price

820
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,199
dude you have ever seen in your life, who's all

821
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,480
about like necromancy and the necropolis and raising the dead

822
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:33,440
and very spooky scary ghouls and can't be horror, but

823
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,800
also gets into some really good stuff about mourning and

824
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,199
grief and what it means for someone to pass on

825
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,719
from this mortal coil. Gets into some really good stuff

826
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,760
that that's like really what I would consider classic BioWare

827
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000
even some of the choices that you make. There's an

828
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:50,679
infamous choice in the beginning of the game where you

829
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,360
choose one direction or the other very BioWare thing, and

830
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,400
the results of that. I did the opposite direction this

831
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,280
time from what I originally did, and I was shocked

832
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,159
by how how much it changes the world and how

833
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,559
much it really impacted me emotionally, even having seen, you know,

834
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,239
some effects of this before. There's some of the magic

835
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,760
still there. There's so much of the magic from people

836
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,079
who were trying to make the magic happen at BioWare

837
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,159
in this game. But then there's here's a puzzle where

838
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,719
you got to shoot red crystals to unlock a door,

839
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,039
which is maybe one of my least favorite things in

840
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,320
all third person action games. I dislike the hit the

841
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,199
switches to change the direction of the water. I dislike

842
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,880
the hit the things in order to unlock the door.

843
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,119
I think a lot of those weird environmental puzzles that

844
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,199
kind of just have one solution and you just have

845
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,800
to do it to move on to the next area

846
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,440
always feel bad. I've never really enjoyed them, and I

847
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,519
think with Dragon Age of the Vailguard, there's so much

848
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,079
of that just littered throughout the game that otherwise gets

849
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,320
in the way of what feels like a bye wear

850
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,079
a game, what feels like a classic maybe not so

851
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,920
much a Dragon Age Origins, but maybe more a mass

852
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Effect two style game, a Mass Effect three style game.

853
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,519
And it's you know, I realize I'm getting into the

854
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,719
nitty gritty of what a biowear game is. But I've

855
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,920
played every BioWare game at this point, probably at least twice.

856
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,079
So that's what you sign up for.

857
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 1: Well, now that you say that, replaying the Veil Guard

858
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,440
with the sort of like I don't know, new perspective,

859
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:34,239
has it changed your anticipation or worry level for Mass

860
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Effect five?

861
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: I mean, mass Effect five for me is not a

862
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,679
real game yet. Like that is, that's a trailer right now.

863
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,039
We've heard so little about it. There's always an n

864
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,000
seven day thing that comes out and they say we're

865
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,119
working on it. It's going to be the mass Effect

866
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:54,719
experience you want. And like, I want the best for

867
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,039
that team, I truly do. I want them to make

868
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,679
the best Mass Effect game they can. I want them

869
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,559
to make it happen. I also saw years of this

870
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,880
happening for for the Dragon Age team under EA as

871
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,199
they went through basically a decade of development trying to

872
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,360
make Veilguard happen, and it was a lot of the

873
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,840
same where it was just kind of a statement where

874
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,840
they said, we're making the best Dragon age we can.

875
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,199
We're working on it, don't worry.

876
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

877
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: And then and then meanwhile headlines trickled out of like

878
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:28,159
development strife, people leaving layoffs and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah,

879
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,239
a lot a lot of these names moving in and out.

880
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,320
And so I really do I I want the best

881
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,400
for for the MASSIFFCT team. I also just Mass Effect

882
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,079
five doesn't feel like a game yet. It feels like

883
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,119
a concept, a thing that could happen, but until we

884
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,760
really see more than just I think we've had two

885
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,679
trailers in the piece of concept art at this point

886
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,400
and a box art that was that was kind of

887
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,639
post this early.

888
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:53,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was picking apart.

889
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's been some pieces of concept art, and

890
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,920
I think the box art with the character yeah, oh,

891
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,920
the transmission was weird. That became the Krogan Civil War

892
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,400
where it's a bunch of it says Krogan Civil War

893
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,519
under it in that kind of like motivational poster fonts,

894
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,559
and then it's the Krogans, but they're all shooting like

895
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,960
towards the camera, towards something off screen, and it only

896
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,400
made me think of the Nathan Fielder image of like,

897
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,920
here's me and my friends. They're all laughing, just off screen,

898
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:33,159
and it's with no context, with no explanation of what

899
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,440
they mean by Krogan civil War or what that entails

900
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:40,400
or anything. And I understand there's always ARGs and teasing

901
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,119
with these games that that happens, but I still think

902
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,639
in my personal opinion, in my personal opinion everybody who

903
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,719
who's watching this, I still think Mass Effect five is

904
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,119
we haven't seen enough of it to even really feel

905
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,000
like it's something that we're going to see anytime soon.

906
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,239
So I just don't have expectations of it sho up

907
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,800
anytime soon. I have the best hopes for the team,

908
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,760
but they're under a system that I think is has

909
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,599
made it difficult for them to produce what they ultimately

910
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:08,960
want to.

911
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and out of one and it's probably wildly changing

912
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,480
with the EA sort of buyout. Yes, you think that

913
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,480
I will before we move on in Seven Day twenty

914
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:21,840
twenty six, Is this the year that you think we

915
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,920
get a substantial update on that game.

916
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't play that game.

917
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,679
I don't like I have a running joke with Ken

918
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,800
and with some other folks where we're just like, when

919
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,079
do you think Mass Effect five is realistically going to

920
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,800
show up? And I think we're still years away.

921
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,639
Speaker 1: And not really so, I mean, like like a real trailer,

922
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,199
just something to really latch on.

923
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: I could I could see like a thirty second teaser, Sure, yeah,

924
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,199
roll out one of those, but I think anything close

925
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,320
to think about Dragon Age the Vailguard, we didn't see

926
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,719
game play until maybe like less than a year out

927
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,119
from the release of that game. That was a very

928
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:12,400
quick turnaround that was very again like emblematic of the

929
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,360
situation behind the scenes of how that game was being made,

930
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,519
of how it was coming together. And even that's the

931
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:21,559
other thing. I play Vailguard and I see all those

932
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,880
kind of gears trying to turn and lock in unison

933
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:27,840
and make a game, and the fact that it comes

934
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,000
together holistically and plays like a video game is in

935
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:35,000
itself a miracle. Like that's I see so many ways

936
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,679
in which this project could have easily fallen apart under

937
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:39,960
the weight of itself, and in fact, many of the

938
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,920
things they managed to do despite a decade of development

939
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,519
and so much investment and changes within the system is

940
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:53,599
actually kind of like, really really humbling. I think I

941
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,719
was remarking that there's so many options for having dialogues

942
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,280
fully voiced style that involve your background, like what race

943
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,400
you've chosen, what background your Rook comes from, whether you

944
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,519
were working with the Shadow Dragons or the Lord's Fortune

945
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,280
or something like that, and those are all voiced, and

946
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,719
those are all different. Which when you start to think

947
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920
about how many different voices there are for Rook and

948
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,079
other characters that are responding to it, and then how

949
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,920
many different backgrounds there are, is like they really did

950
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,679
a lot of work to make this happen, to give

951
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,239
you that feeling of role playing that does feel very

952
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,800
central to what BioWare does. And that's the thing, is

953
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,960
why I keep saying I have belief and hope in

954
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,119
the people at BioWare that are still there. It's just

955
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,760
they're they're not in the best situation to make this happen.

956
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, moving on from a game that feels like

957
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,639
it took twenty years to come out to a game

958
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,199
that has already been out for the better part of

959
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,119
two decades. Charles, you have been playing the latest edition

960
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,719
to the Nintendo Switch Online plus Expansion Back GameCube Library,

961
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,480
which is Fire Emblem Path of Radiance, a game that

962
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,880
was even though they announced that this would be one

963
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,039
of the games in sort of the initial batch when

964
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,440
I announced this the GameCube Library last year, it was

965
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,880
still I don't know, it still felt like something You're like, Oh,

966
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,760
I believe it when I see it, because this is

967
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,320
like one of the better, one of the more beloved

968
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,719
Fire emblementaries and also one of the more kind of

969
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,880
like sought after in terms of like it always commanded

970
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
like really high prices for a physical copy of it.

971
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,079
And I know that because I used to have a

972
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:37,119
physical copy that I sold many years ago for a

973
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,559
pretty penny, and I no longer regret that decision because

974
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,320
now I could just fire this up and play it.

975
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,679
But Charles, you're coming to this for the first time.

976
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,519
How have you been enjoying it?

977
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always wanted to play this game, mainly because

978
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,039
people say it's good and it's like so inaccessible. I've

979
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:59,039
seen it at stores once or twice, and it's like

980
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,000
always the most expensive game on the shelf. Yeah, I

981
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,159
just pulled up eBay and just the price for the game.

982
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,719
We got two hundred twenty dollars, two hundred eight dollars,

983
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,559
one hundred thirty four dollars.

984
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sold mine for I think like three fifty four.

985
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah something, yeah, oh yeah yeah. And this is the

986
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,199
first thing that's popped up on eBay. I yeah, it's

987
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,440
it's really expensive. So I've always wanted to check it out,

988
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,679
but I never have. I'm a late later comer to

989
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,960
fire Emblum just in that. My first game was Awakening

990
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,960
on the three DS, which is a game I really

991
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:40,320
really like, and it's just interesting to go.

992
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: Back and play.

993
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,599
Speaker 3: It's really it's really interesting. Something I've always appreciated is

994
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,480
playing a game in a series and then playing a

995
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,679
game much older in a series and kind of understanding,

996
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,719
like what the through line of that series is versus

997
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,519
what I assume the through lines.

998
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,039
Speaker 1: Of a series are.

999
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,159
Speaker 3: If I'm Awakening, for example, really built around the like

1000
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,000
support conversations of like your units fight near each other

1001
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:04,880
and then they like have bonds and they grow together.

1002
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,159
Not a thing in Path of Radiance. I don't think

1003
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,000
it's I don't I don't know how many games, if.

1004
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: Any it was in pre Awakening there are support systems,

1005
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,280
they're just not as front facing as they've become in

1006
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,440
later games. But as far back as I think Fire

1007
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Emblem Blazing Blade, which was fire Emblem like just fire

1008
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:28,679
Emblem on the Game Boy Advance here, but that's the

1009
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,480
seventh overall game, there was definitely like I forget what

1010
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:35,400
the system was that you use, but there were like

1011
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,440
quote unquoteest here supports and.

1012
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 3: Things like that in there.

1013
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: So there should be support conversations in Path of Radiance

1014
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,039
if I remember correctly, gotcha.

1015
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,159
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't reached them yet, but it's it's certainly

1016
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,800
not as a prominent as the other ones.

1017
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,199
Speaker 2: But in Awakening you can pare units up, right, Like

1018
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,639
that's that's when they started to share an where Yeah,

1019
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:57,920
and it gets a lot they That's what I mean

1020
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,840
by like, they make it a lot easier for you

1021
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,719
to start to do that thing where you're putting units

1022
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,800
together and having them bond in the battlefield, whereas Path

1023
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,320
of Radiance it was there's a lot of weird mechanics

1024
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:14,440
about adjacency and characters getting different stat upgrades or changing

1025
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,440
natures depending on who they're standing next to. That I

1026
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,320
think is kind of I don't see as often in

1027
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,159
newer fire Moms, and I wish there was some of that.

1028
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, so I'm finally checking it out, and I

1029
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,559
met like chapter seven, so I'm not very far in.

1030
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,639
I'm like a few hours in, but I like it

1031
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,440
and I like the story. That's one of the things

1032
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,519
people really like about this game particularly, is they like

1033
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,599
the story a lot. Also, Ike is the main character

1034
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:44,599
of this game. I know him as many people do

1035
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:49,159
from Smash Pros, and it's really funny to just see

1036
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,599
a character's Smash Bros move set and try to intuit

1037
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,480
their personality off of that. I think I thought Ike

1038
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,199
was like a jock. Like, I thought he was like

1039
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,159
a big meaty like because he's just like the biggest,

1040
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:05,679
heaviest of the Fire Album characters.

1041
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's this.

1042
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,039
Speaker 1: I love eating meat.

1043
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,199
Speaker 3: That's kind of like what I assumed I was like

1044
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:20,320
knowing only yes, And he's a lot he's very young

1045
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,199
in the game and he's uh just starting out. You're

1046
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,679
you're playing as he's the son of the head of

1047
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,000
a mercenary company. Uh. And this is right when these

1048
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:31,880
countries break out in war and they're trying to like

1049
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,239
decide where to ally themselves at this part in the game.

1050
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,559
And yeah, I really like it. It's really nice on

1051
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,599
the switch. Like Fire Molm to me is a really

1052
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:45,880
good uh like when when there's like cut scenes and stuff,

1053
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,360
obviously I want to have it up on the TV.

1054
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,119
But to me, it's always been a very good like

1055
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,880
this is the thing in my hands while I have

1056
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,440
a show up on the TV that I'm like half

1057
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,440
paying attention to, or like a stream on in the background,

1058
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,440
where uh I just like doing the strategy. It feels

1059
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,079
like very left brain is focused on this type of

1060
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:03,960
game and then my right brain is going on with

1061
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,239
whatever else is happening.

1062
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,519
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I think for me too, like those

1063
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,159
games just and not just the series, but just turn

1064
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
based strategy. It's just it's made for handles for me.

1065
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that. I play them a

1066
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,360
lot on PC two, But that depends on the game,

1067
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:22,440
you know, like x Com I think of as a

1068
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,559
PC series versus Fire Emblem definitely for me. Game Boy Advance, uh,

1069
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,559
Nintendo three DS, things like that. Path of Radiance was

1070
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,000
a really interesting game when it came out because it

1071
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,119
was the first game to try and ride the kind

1072
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,960
of surging wave of success of Fire and Mom in

1073
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,400
the West, because Trip Down Memory Lane, like Fire and Bloom,

1074
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,800
was not really a series here until Super Smash Bros.

1075
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,559
Melee brought over Roy and Marth and then people were like,

1076
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,519
what's going on there? And Nintendo brought over the Game

1077
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:57,519
Boy Advance. Guys, I've never heard of them, yeah the

1078
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,239
first time, which is which is weird because and they

1079
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,360
brought over the game Boy Advance games that didn't have

1080
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,639
Roy in them. They had Ellowwood in seven and then

1081
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,679
the Sacred Stones were a completely different story.

1082
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:11,679
Speaker 1: H we can't stop talking about who.

1083
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't love Hector? Is Hector and Lynn are the real

1084
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,280
stars of seven? Let me tell you. But I I

1085
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,320
think Path of Radiance was for a lot of people

1086
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,840
the game that got them to play. It was also

1087
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,599
on the GameCube, and the GameCube was I think we

1088
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:28,880
have a lot of rosy nostalgia for the GameCube now,

1089
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,400
but the GameCube at the time was like not the

1090
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,039
most popular system. This this big tactical RPG.

1091
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,519
Speaker 1: It had a handle on it.

1092
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was at the McDonald's. It was enclosed in

1093
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,840
the McDonald's. It's like the most protected you've ever seen

1094
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,679
something it's in like a metal case with plastic all

1095
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,920
around it and the controller is like locked onto the case.

1096
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Donald's once.

1097
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I played Pickmen and Mine. They had pigment on theirs.

1098
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,960
But yeah, like like the GameCube was, you know, kind

1099
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,039
of in need of something like this, like a big,

1100
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:15,119
meaty RPG that you could dig into, and Fire Emblem

1101
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,840
tried to ride that wave while also doing some different

1102
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,760
things with its story. The Mercenary story is very different

1103
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,599
from a lot of the kind of royalty focused stories previously,

1104
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,880
although it does eventually get there anyways, because it's Fire

1105
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:31,400
and uh it's I think it's a really really fascinating

1106
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,280
game for charting the history of the series and seeing

1107
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,239
because it would it went to GameCube and then to

1108
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,280
we after that, if I remember right was was Radiant

1109
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Dawn and then right back to handhelds and and that

1110
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,800
was kind of where it lived until ultimately the Switch

1111
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,199
came around and was the big the Nintendo thing. Moving

1112
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,639
forward in FIREMLM could finally be on a on a

1113
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,719
console again was a really good deal.

1114
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Also still handheld at the same time.

1115
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the beauty of the Switch. Yeah, it's also really

1116
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,400
good timing because we have a new Firemblum coming out

1117
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,239
this year, and I would hope that it takes some

1118
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,519
some lessons from classic fire Emblum. As much as I

1119
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:12,840
love three Houses, I think a lot of people are

1120
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,000
maybe exhausted by the idea of playing another three houses size.

1121
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: So I was really interested.

1122
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: Sorry, you go ahead, Marcus.

1123
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,159
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, didn't engage kind of steer

1124
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,079
away from at least the like kind of like the

1125
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:28,920
social stuff of three Houses. And it's a little bit

1126
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,239
more of a traditional.

1127
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: It's a lot engages, a lot more combat focus.

1128
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more battle.

1129
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: Houses at the very least it is, but it has

1130
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,960
a lot of like base support stuff, like I think

1131
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,599
there was. You get a lot of characters and engage,

1132
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,679
and then you also have the ring characters who are

1133
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,239
kind of your fire emblem, all stars that are coming

1134
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,760
in from all the different eras, and you have all

1135
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,679
the support stuff with all of them, as well as

1136
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:55,960
all the training missions and stuff back at the base.

1137
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,000
And it's interesting to go back to something I would

1138
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,000
recently playing Firemlam seven, you know, Firemlum eight on Game

1139
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,119
Boy Advance again, and I was like, there was kind

1140
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:11,239
of a streamlined aspect to those games that even up

1141
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
through like fire Emblem, Fates, Conquest and things like that.

1142
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,199
That kind of falls away as you get into the

1143
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,599
Three Houses era and it becomes like, here are the

1144
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,800
raising sim aspects, here's the stats that you're pumping up

1145
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,000
every week and the calendar management that you're doing. That

1146
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,679
was really really good. I love Three Houses, but it

1147
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,039
the idea of doing that again definitely is like it's

1148
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:35,639
a lot, that's a lot to undertake.

1149
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: I found it interesting because I really like like the

1150
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:41,519
startupath Radiance.

1151
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I've also.

1152
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,079
Speaker 3: For me, like a FIREMM game, it's usually just like

1153
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:48,679
it's not whether or not I'll like it, it's just

1154
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,760
how long it'll hold me for. I think the only

1155
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:57,199
games I've beaten are Awakening and Three Houses, but I've

1156
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:59,400
played like four or five others of them for like

1157
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:03,719
ten to teen hours or whatever before getting bored. But

1158
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,119
I was like, where does where does Path the Radians

1159
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,440
stack up in people's rankings? And I always always look

1160
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:13,199
up whenever I start getting into a series how people

1161
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320
rank all the entries in the series. Like a lot

1162
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,639
of times I'm more familiar with how people rank things

1163
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,079
than I actually am with Like, I've never seen a

1164
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:22,400
Fast and Furious movie, but I'm always looking at how

1165
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,480
people are ranking those things because I'm so curious, like,

1166
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:25,840
how are they different? Are they different?

1167
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: Is there, Oh, there's a correct answer to what the

1168
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,159
best fast movie is?

1169
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: Is it faster?

1170
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,199
Speaker 1: Answer?

1171
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,119
Speaker 3: Is it Fast five?

1172
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: It's Fast five, Kay, that's the best one.

1173
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,559
Speaker 3: I ain't seen any of those movies. And I've looked

1174
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,519
this up enough times that I'm like, I think everyone

1175
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:40,639
really likes Fast five.

1176
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Fast five is really good. Like it's just if I

1177
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,159
had to show someone one Fast and Furious movie, it's

1178
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:46,400
that one.

1179
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's also a consensus on the worst.

1180
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:53,159
Speaker 2: Fast movie, is it like I don't know nine or

1181
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:55,400
something like that, Like after they kind of I was

1182
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,320
gonna guess too, I think I think that.

1183
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,679
Speaker 1: Is the worst one. Well.

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Speaker 2: Two, I haven't seen it since it came out, but

1185
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:07,000
I could see having some like nostalgic fun with two.

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00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:10,679
Whereas I think once they got into kind of seven

1187
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:14,400
and eight and it just kept going, it was like, Okay,

1188
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360
now we're we're really like trying to draw water from

1189
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,679
the rock here. Literally in some cases, we're trying to

1190
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:21,920
get water from the rock here.

1191
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: Also just makes me want to fire and bloom fast crossover,

1192
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:30,559
Like I want the fast characters in a fire style game.

1193
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:31,760
You want to raise their bond.

1194
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,159
Speaker 3: Give Dominic Toretto a battle axe.

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00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agreed, what I.

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00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,599
Speaker 3: Was gonna say. I was curious about how people rate

1197
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,360
a path radiance, and it's very variable.

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00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: They change a lot.

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Speaker 3: Also, I don't know the numbers of the games, Like

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00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:49,320
it's not in the titles all the time, so a

1201
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,440
lot of people put the numbers of the game, like

1202
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,320
I don't know which Firemblum fourteen is. But that's fine.

1203
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:59,559
But I was surprised that, like to my knowledge, three

1204
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,880
Houses at the very least was very popular and sold

1205
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,599
very well, and I like it a lot. A lot

1206
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,119
of people liked it a lot. And it's always interesting

1207
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:08,599
me when you go into like when you don't look

1208
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:10,280
at Fireman from the outside and it's like, what is

1209
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,360
the fire emblem? Subreddit think most people don't have three

1210
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,280
Houses very high because it's it's not the traditional style

1211
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,119
of game for them. They don't think of that. And

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00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:21,000
I think if they don't think of three Houses.

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: That's the mainstream normy fire.

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00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a whole thing.

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00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: Welcome to the party pal, this is well, this is

1216
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,480
also my I was looking up the tomb Raider games

1217
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,840
because I've only played the like reboot trilogy.

1218
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: I haven't played any of the older ones, but there's

1219
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,800
a lot of older ones and I was looking it

1220
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,960
up and for whatever reason, expecting I'm like, well, the

1221
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,679
new ones are really good. So everyone have those up

1222
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:48,719
really high, and a lot of people have them like

1223
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,320
at the bottom They're like, I hate these reboots, I

1224
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,840
hate whatever, and I'm just like, as.

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00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,639
Speaker 1: I think they're insane because those old games don't hold

1226
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,760
up as much as I have fondness for.

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01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,159
Speaker 2: Them, so as somebody that does a lot of podcasting

1228
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,320
and writing and covering beats that stretch back a fair

1229
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,000
number of years, like fighting games and RPGs. Uh, there

1230
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,920
are always the diehards who have a very firm like

1231
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,159
this is when the genre peaked and we have lost

1232
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:29,280
our way. I think they can sometimes have a point

1233
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:33,480
but also get a little too much lost in their

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,719
own sauce for that.

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,239
Speaker 1: And it's also incomprehensible water puzzles and those games.

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01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: There there are people here. Here's a fun fact. There

1237
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,679
are people like like when Fall Fantasy sixteen came out

1238
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,199
and people were like, is this Final Fantasy. There were

1239
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:53,199
people when Final Fantasy seven came out that were like,

1240
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,239
this isn't Final Fantasy. People still yeah, yeah, there are

1241
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,400
still people who believe that every thing posts nests is

1242
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,679
not like Final Fantasy proper and all that. Uh it's

1243
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,880
it's oh boy, it's a deep rabbit hole. When it

1244
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,719
comes to fire emblem. For my personal taste, I do

1245
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,760
think Path of Radiance is at least like a top five,

1246
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,639
top six fire emblem. I would put it in that ballpark.

1247
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,000
I would have to think harder about my rankings, but

1248
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,519
I do know that like Awakening Sacred Stones, three Houses, uh,

1249
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,519
path of Radiance, and then I don't know, maybe throwing

1250
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,199
like a Shadows of Valentia or something like that, or

1251
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,079
if you want to get like really esoteric, get like

1252
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,000
a Thrashia seven seven six In there.

1253
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would say, because I've only beaten

1254
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,039
one fire emblem and no one ever talks about it.

1255
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:42,960
And there was which one Fates? On which one?

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01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: I do? I yea which version of fates?

1257
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:50,599
Speaker 3: There's the three Red, the Red Birthright, birth Right.

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01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't remember the subtitles, but this is.

1259
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: This is part of the weirdness with fire emblem, especially

1260
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,559
fates Is and why I personally kind of bounce off

1261
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,679
face even though I did enjoy it when I played it.

1262
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,480
It's so much to get through, and the three pronged

1263
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,119
in nature that they tried just didn't really make sense

1264
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:12,719
for what they did. Because there's like birthright, which is

1265
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:15,440
they did the Pokemon thing where it's like, to you

1266
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,239
side with this side or this side, but then they also.

1267
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,039
Speaker 3: Made it's more distinct than Pokemon at the very least.

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01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:27,119
Speaker 2: Well so, so it's birthright is one side, conquest is

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01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,360
the other. And I think one of them is your

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01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,239
birth family, one of them is your adoptive family. I

1271
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:34,039
always mix up which one is which because it then

1272
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,639
gets really weird because you do then have social links

1273
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:39,679
with that, and it gets very game of thronesy, and

1274
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,400
and then you have revelations is like the Golden Mouth

1275
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,639
the True Route, and it's like, that's okay, why why

1276
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:52,199
do that? I know, it's like a it's a visual

1277
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:53,960
novel thing. It's an adventure game thing to do that

1278
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:56,360
sort of here's the Golden path, here's the True Route.

1279
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,039
Even games like Triangle Strategy recently have done that, but

1280
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:03,000
it's it's a weird way to lay out your game

1281
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:04,800
and then do it like a Pokemon where you have

1282
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,199
actual different carts and then you have to like, well,

1283
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,039
it was different downloads, and then you had to get

1284
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:12,360
the special edition card to have all three of them

1285
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,800
on there. It's a whole thing. That's why Fates falls

1286
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,880
off for me. I do love Conquest quite a bit, Okay.

1287
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,360
I was never clear how cool or laying that made

1288
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,000
me with the fire in the community to be like inmates.

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01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:26,440
And that's the only one I've finished.

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01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: In the rankings, a lot of people had Conquest relatively high,

1291
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,079
and Birthright wasn't as high, and no one talked about.

1292
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: One. I guess, yeah, I think it's the easier one.

1293
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:44,159
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting combat wise, Yes, Conquest.

1294
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:45,719
Speaker 2: Is the one that is the most interesting combat wise

1295
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:46,079
for sure.

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01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know what man in my decision

1297
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:48,559
to choose one or the other.

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01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, I also at the time I also picked that one.

1299
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For what it's worth. It's like, it's like you were

1300
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,039
raised by an evil family, but you were born to

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01:03:56,119 --> 01:04:00,199
a good family. I'm simplified it was, But Conquest is

1302
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:02,719
you're like I'm gonna stick with the evil family, and

1303
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,920
Birthright is like I'm gonna go with the my good.

1304
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: Well, one family wears all like black and purple and

1305
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,639
gold basically, and the other one is kind of wearing

1306
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,000
this like red and white, very like samurai inspired armor

1307
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,480
and stuff like that, and then the other one is

1308
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,199
the route where you just ignore all of that and

1309
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,920
do something else and golden path. It I didn't to.

1310
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: Like to round it out. I did want to say

1311
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:29,679
that part of my moral of a story here with

1312
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,039
like bringing up all these like different comparisons of like

1313
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,880
within the Firemlum community, people don't like this popular one

1314
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:40,360
or that just being a regular thing, a thing that

1315
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,480
as like a games writer, I try to remember is

1316
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:49,559
like trying really hard to not be as influenced by

1317
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,360
outside perspectives or like what is the legacy of this

1318
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,480
thing and not necessarily think of like is this a

1319
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,679
good blank game? And more just like is it a

1320
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,360
good game? Do I like it? Does it connect with me?

1321
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:02,639
Speaker 2: Because it's very.

1322
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: Easy to get bought like of again, another example of

1323
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,039
Classical and his people in the Zella community don't like

1324
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:09,599
Breath of the Wild, and it's like that's like one

1325
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:11,639
of the best games of all time, and it doesn't

1326
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:13,639
do a lot of things old Zelda games did, but

1327
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,199
it's still a very good game. And we could evaluate

1328
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:19,239
it based on like how similar is it in the

1329
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,079
way a lot of people value plow games, is like, well,

1330
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:23,039
how similar is this the ockrene of time? Because if

1331
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:24,760
it's not similar, then it's not a very good game,

1332
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,920
because that's the perfect game.

1333
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: When will When will a game finally make me young

1334
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,719
again so I can experience wonder and whimsy? That's that's

1335
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:32,760
why it didn't.

1336
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,119
Speaker 3: Come out in nineteen ninety eight, So I'm not really

1337
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:35,960
a fan of it.

1338
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,159
Speaker 2: This game came out when I was a smaller person

1339
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,840
who understood less of the world and had troubles on

1340
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,960
their mind. And really, if a game can't do that,

1341
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,719
then what are we doing? Exactly?

1342
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 3: All this is to say, I do like Path Radians.

1343
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,599
I'm gonna keep playing it. I will see if it

1344
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,920
becomes the third fire Emblem game I reached the end of.

1345
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,719
But even if it's not, I like, I always like

1346
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,679
those fifteen hours I get to play of a.

1347
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:05,159
Speaker 1: Firearm game I have no time. Yeah, well awesome, Well

1348
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,000
we're gonna spin off of that discussion because we're gonna

1349
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,239
take a quick break and then come back and we're

1350
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,880
going to discuss the state of subscription service is, including

1351
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,800
a Nintendo Switch Online. We'll be right back.

1352
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Game Informer Show. We are now

1353
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,519
going to talk about a little bit of pivot. I

1354
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,440
wanted to bring this topic up because it's something I've

1355
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,840
been thinking about kind of in like it's the new year,

1356
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,960
I'm kind of wanting to, you know, trim trim my

1357
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:37,519
finances a little bit. And it's like, do I really

1358
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:39,159
need to be paying for all these things that I'm

1359
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,280
paying for? Because I'm paying for a lot of things,

1360
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,920
and as always, i'd like to be paying for the last.

1361
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,760
So I was just gonna talk about like the state

1362
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,679
of specifically video game subscriptions, and this is stuff like

1363
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,119
the Big three, like Nintendo, PlayStation, Xbox, they're big subscriptions,

1364
01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:59,360
but then also like smaller things we might be paying for.

1365
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:01,480
And I almost just curious of like the kinds of

1366
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,360
things Marcus or Eric are like, you know what, this

1367
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,199
is worth me paying some kind of like niche thing.

1368
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,280
It's like this is worth me subscribing for or not

1369
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:14,039
subscribing for, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, first off,

1370
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:18,000
game Pass, are you guys subscribed to Xbox game Pass?

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01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:25,559
Speaker 1: I am, However, at least with my current subscription disclaimer,

1372
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:30,679
it was provided by Microsoft for media press reason, so

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01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:32,960
that we can so that we have access to and

1374
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,440
in case we want to, you know, day one releases

1375
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,320
whatever play for like work stuff. But before that I

1376
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,800
had been paying for it pretty much NonStop since pretty

1377
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,480
much since this exception. Actually I'm trying to think. I

1378
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,360
don't think I've ever let it lapse ever since they

1379
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,159
started doing it.

1380
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:51,639
Speaker 3: I I did have it lapsed for a hot minute,

1381
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,280
and then I also this is this is like right

1382
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,400
when game and Former started back up, So Eric wasn't here,

1383
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,639
but we all got game Pass like one year of

1384
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:03,519
game Pass code. So sorry Eric for being excluded for now.

1385
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm going to say something bold here. I

1386
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,280
did have game Pass for I think up until about

1387
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:16,359
this year, maybe around January February. I cut it, and

1388
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,319
that was a cost saving thing, but also it made

1389
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:23,720
me realize how little I actually used it. Yeah, because

1390
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,600
I mean number one, like, I already owned most of

1391
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,960
the games that were on the service that I cared

1392
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,520
about in the first place. Like I bought the Halo

1393
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,920
master Chief Collection when it came out. I bought Halo

1394
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,079
Infinite when it came out, Like I wasn't really using

1395
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,600
those avenues to play those games in the first place.

1396
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:45,000
But then also, I it is you know, quote unquote

1397
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:46,840
best value in gaming and all that kind of stuff.

1398
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,119
But it kind of made me realize that paying a

1399
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:52,720
lot of money for a lot of games that I

1400
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,520
might play one day is not always the best thing

1401
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,680
and made me kind of personally reconfigure the way I

1402
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,359
think about having access to games versus owning games and

1403
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:08,640
playing said games. So, yeah, that game Pass was the

1404
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,960
start of that for me, which will probably dovetail into

1405
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,720
what we're going to be talking about for all this segment.

1406
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I have definitely had it laps at times,

1407
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,840
and then I've gotten it back. I've tried to specifically

1408
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,840
when I'm paying for game Pass because it does cost

1409
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,840
so much money. Now it's just a thing to me

1410
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,359
of like I'll just be default unsubscribed. And then if

1411
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,640
there's a pattern of like two or three games on

1412
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,960
game Pass coming out at once, or it's like one

1413
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,319
is coming out and I'm like, oh, I wanted to

1414
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,680
play these other ones. That's when I'll be I'll treat

1415
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,920
it as like a purchase basically, and be like, I'll

1416
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,680
buy a month of game Pass to play the games

1417
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,680
that I want to play. There's no reason in being

1418
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,520
subscribed if there's going to be like months at a

1419
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,560
time that I'm not spending any money. But also it's

1420
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,640
so expensive now the prices I got them pulled up here,

1421
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,920
so game Pass Essential. Also they keep changing the names,

1422
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,319
which is confusing. There used to be game Pass Core

1423
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,760
and then they changed it, and then the Premium, and

1424
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,079
then they added Ultimate or.

1425
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: Maybe Microsoft naming things in a confusion.

1426
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: Fact you're excited to boot up cob pilot office.

1427
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, im possible.

1428
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 3: So the Essential tier is ten bucks a month and

1429
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,880
it gets you fifty plus games, it says, I don't

1430
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,800
know how many games that is on Xbox PC and support.

1431
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,960
It's more than it's probably probably fifty one. You can

1432
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,359
also stream games, including some games that you own, so

1433
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:34,159
you can't stream all the games you own. You can

1434
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:37,359
stream I think the game Pass games you can play online.

1435
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:41,319
There's some rewards thing and then you get benefits for it, says,

1436
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:43,760
games like League of Legends and Call Duty War Zone.

1437
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,800
That's like a pretty standard thing. They started adding in

1438
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,800
little goodies to be like justify the price increase in

1439
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,159
my mind, But it's also kind of like a marketing

1440
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,720
thing to me. Of like, it's nice if you're already

1441
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,199
playing you know, Warzone and you were subscribed to game Pass,

1442
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,680
but to me, it's more of a like a way

1443
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,760
for both of those audiences to advertise to the other.

1444
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:07,079
Speaker 2: That's the weird part for me was it was kind

1445
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:09,399
of a big deal when Riot made the deal with

1446
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,640
Xbox to say, so, if you have game Pass, you

1447
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,159
have access to every League of Legends champion, you have

1448
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,760
access to I think all the Valorant Agents and things

1449
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,920
like that. But the power users who were going to

1450
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,840
take advantage of that in the first place probably already

1451
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,760
had access to the majority of characters that they wanted

1452
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,279
to play as in the first place. Funny enough, it

1453
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:33,439
made it kind of annoying because I would go play

1454
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,960
a mode called a ram all random all middle in

1455
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:38,239
League of Legends, and it would random me into a

1456
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:41,239
character that I didn't like, or I didn't previously own

1457
01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:43,439
and had never played before. I'd be like, I don't

1458
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,479
want to play this character. I want to play ash,

1459
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:46,960
I want to play in Italy, I want to play

1460
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:47,800
somebody who's good.

1461
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 1: In a RAM.

1462
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:55,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and introduced a new dynamic there. But yeah, it's

1463
01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:58,359
it's access to a lot of things. But then I

1464
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:00,720
always ended up questioning like I was paying a lot

1465
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,159
of money and that was even before the price increase

1466
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:08,600
for access to games that I wasn't always playing. And

1467
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,680
they also adjusted the way that new games were going

1468
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,760
onto it too, so you kind of lost that benefit.

1469
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So to that note, then there's the Premium tier,

1470
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,399
which is fifteen bucks a month, so five more bucks

1471
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:24,760
a month. This is two hundred games on these devices.

1472
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:27,880
And then this one gets you new Xbox games within

1473
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,159
twelve months of launch. So they had like a day

1474
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:33,159
one on game Pass thing, and then they split it

1475
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:36,640
into tiers another kind of like breaking down when you

1476
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,760
get it. The main one that they want you to

1477
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,920
get it used to just be what game Pass was

1478
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,479
is now the Ultimate tier. It has the full Library,

1479
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,560
which says is five hundred plus games if there's a

1480
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,920
first party Xbox game, and just you know, all of

1481
01:12:52,119 --> 01:12:55,560
all of that. The Microsoft, Activision, Blizzard, whatever entails it

1482
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,159
decides to do that. That's all on day one on Ultimate.

1483
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:04,880
It all so includes Fortnite, Crew, EA Play, and Ubisoft

1484
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,960
Plus Classics. You can stream games, and it says it

1485
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,960
has the shortest weight times. Notice how the lowest tier

1486
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,439
didn't mention the weight times. But there are theoretically wait

1487
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,960
times you're trying to stream stuff and then all the

1488
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,920
other stuff that they mentioned. But that's thirty dollars a month,

1489
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:23,600
which when they increased that price, I remember being like,

1490
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,680
that's crazy, and it's still like every time I see it,

1491
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,520
I'm like, that's so much money.

1492
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: I should make it clear too that when they increased

1493
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,079
the price, we had already gotten our like press game

1494
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:38,720
Pass subscriptions, and I remember thinking the sun God for that,

1495
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,720
because that would have been, Yeah, that would have been

1496
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,600
when I canceled my game pass. Yeah yeah, yeah, I can't. No,

1497
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:47,479
I'm not doing that.

1498
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: I think that's more money than I've paid for any

1499
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:55,199
other subscription monthly service that was not like a phone

1500
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:56,279
bill or something.

1501
01:13:56,319 --> 01:13:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1502
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no there's no like t like, none of

1503
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,159
the TV streaming services cost anywhere near that.

1504
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean them together, Well, okay, if you if

1505
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:10,479
you get the big bundle, if you get really was

1506
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,840
a Disney Plus ESPN stuff like that.

1507
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: That's the exact bundle that I currently pay for each month.

1508
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,239
Because WU moved the ESPN. I was like, oh, I

1509
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,319
have to have that now to watch the pay per views.

1510
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:22,479
Damn it. They decided to move from the super cheap

1511
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:23,239
peacock to this.

1512
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 2: Remember remember when it was like everything was on cable

1513
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,079
packages and everybody complained about cable packages. And then we

1514
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:33,960
got streaming and everyone was like, oh, we love streaming,

1515
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,600
this is great, this is the future. And then streaming

1516
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,000
killed the cable package and then became it and and

1517
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:44,760
now we're all standing there on Moustafar yelling down at Netflix.

1518
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,119
You were the chosen one.

1519
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't even thinks this is a tangent, but it's

1520
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,199
just the problem is that everyone started making a streaming service.

1521
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,039
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1522
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, it made more sense when they were like

1523
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:58,520
a handful of them, but now everyone has one, so

1524
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,600
then inevitably they're gonna get balled out by someone else

1525
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,000
and then get bundled, or they're gonna start talking to

1526
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,359
each other and say, hey, let's help each other out.

1527
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:07,319
Let's let's bundle each other. We could do that.

1528
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 3: I also don't think it's not Netflix's fault, like I

1529
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:11,880
think I think they should.

1530
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,079
Speaker 2: I think they have some game in there, but.

1531
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean by existing, it's their fault. Yeah.

1532
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the larger scapegoats in the herd.

1533
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,520
Let's put it that way. Yeah, if there's a herd

1534
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,159
of goats, of scape goats that we can point at,

1535
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:25,720
it's one of the larger goats.

1536
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,199
Speaker 1: And then I guess we can blame them for for

1537
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,760
game Pass too, because game Pass was built. It's like,

1538
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,560
this is the Netflix a game, the Netflix of video games.

1539
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, uh anyway, so that's that's like I think

1540
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,840
when people talk about a game subscription, this is the

1541
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,720
one that's in the news the most, like that we

1542
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,880
would cover the most. It was kind of the quintessential,

1543
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,560
Like just the concept of this was so I think

1544
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,399
ridiculous when it was announced that people like.

1545
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: Remember the three when it was announced and everyone was

1546
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,079
like buying up game Pass descriptions when they have that

1547
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:57,239
weird loopholear were like you can get like you can

1548
01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:00,000
stack multiple years for like a dollar or five dollars. Yeah,

1549
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,399
but I remember being at Eddie three and all my

1550
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,479
media friends being like I'm buying so much game yes, yes,

1551
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,159
right now because this is like an incredible value.

1552
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember this is and I think, I think

1553
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:17,199
to our point, so we're talking about like playing it

1554
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:19,319
or not playing it with game Pass, I think the

1555
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:22,319
ideal situation for game Pass, if you want to actually

1556
01:16:22,319 --> 01:16:24,840
get the most value out of it, is for someone

1557
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,520
that is new to video games getting an Xbox Series

1558
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,319
S and like the premium game Pass subscription, which is

1559
01:16:31,319 --> 01:16:35,159
like the middle tier UH and Xbox Series S is

1560
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,439
a way to be like, I've not played video games before.

1561
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: This is gonna be more games than I.

1562
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:45,359
Speaker 3: Could possibly want on a relatively cheap console, and I

1563
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:47,319
don't have to commit to anything right away, and it's

1564
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:50,039
a good way to like test out what you're interested

1565
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:54,520
in and is a relatively and now it's all obviously

1566
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,960
getting more and more expensive, relatively low barrier to entry

1567
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,279
to try a lot of stuff out. Once you are

1568
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:03,039
like at our spot, or you're just someone that's played

1569
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:04,720
games for a while, or you're someone that has been

1570
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,560
subscribed to game Pass for a while, it does get

1571
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,760
to a point where it's like the back library isn't

1572
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,720
as important as the new stuff that's coming out, And

1573
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,159
when it's thirty dollars a month, It's not that crazy

1574
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,159
to be like, I'll just wait and buy the three

1575
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,680
you know, seventy dollars games a year that I actually

1576
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,960
want to play the day that they come out, and

1577
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:25,960
it'll end up being you know, less than or similar

1578
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,319
to whatever the cost of what game Pass was. It's

1579
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:31,640
not necessarily something that it's like a must have like

1580
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:32,000
I think.

1581
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,399
Speaker 1: It used to be, or like it's weird. It's it's

1582
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,600
game Pass is almost kind of benefiting from the rising

1583
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,760
prices of games now because now games are starting to

1584
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,520
become like new releases are hitting eighty dollars, so it's

1585
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,359
making by default, game Pass look even more like a value.

1586
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,520
Even if it did, or at least the highest tier

1587
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,199
got bumped up the thirty dollars, that's still fifty dollars

1588
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:54,960
less than like what is going forward to be the

1589
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,840
standard price for a first party Xbox game, because last

1590
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,880
year was when they started saying, hey, going forward, all

1591
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,720
of our big games are going to be eighty bucks.

1592
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,760
That's just you know, it's just what we're doing now.

1593
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,319
So it's like, yeah, I can still buy if I

1594
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:10,920
want to play Gears of War E day, it is

1595
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,159
still much cheaper to like, I'm just gonna pay thirty

1596
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:15,199
bucks for a month of game Pass than to buy

1597
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:18,319
this outright, assuming that you don't care about actually owning

1598
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:22,439
the game, which, at least increasingly as the generations get younger,

1599
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,279
that seems to be less and less of a concern

1600
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:26,079
for most players of like, I don't really care about

1601
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,640
owning my games, or at least they think they don't care.

1602
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,640
Maybe they think because some people think that they own it,

1603
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,199
but then they're like, you actually don't.

1604
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I'm going to push lightly back on

1605
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,079
this because there has been a surge and and it's

1606
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:41,039
it's worth looking this up a lot of like like

1607
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:44,359
the youngest generation right now, Like I know what we're

1608
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:46,439
on now is alpha Yeah.

1609
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1610
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we're talking about, Like.

1611
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: Even even in zoomer culture and things like that, there

1612
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:57,760
has been a rising sentiment of owning media where physical

1613
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,000
MP three players have come back. Physics cameras that are

1614
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,159
separate from your phone camera are big right now. Film

1615
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:11,439
cameras are big again. They're they're genuinely because of the connectedness.

1616
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,039
And I do think that then dovetails into streaming, where

1617
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,159
one thing that I think across the board, we're going

1618
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,640
to talk about as we get into other subscription services,

1619
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,960
is that a lot of them promised the idea of

1620
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,880
an expansive catalog, but that catalog doesn't go as far

1621
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,479
back or as deep as you would think or hope

1622
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,720
it would, especially from platform holders that would theoretically have

1623
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:39,720
better access and availability to this stuff. Like there's a

1624
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,720
lot of games that for a while, I actually think

1625
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,239
Microsoft was being really good about this and putting a

1626
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:47,239
lot of games out there that were like, Hey, here's

1627
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:50,000
an updated version that's going to run better on Xbox

1628
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:53,119
Series X, and it's going to be really awesome. I mean,

1629
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,520
you know, our our friend Wesley, Well, we'll tell you

1630
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,159
all about how Final Fantasy thirteen runs on the Xbox

1631
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:04,720
Series X, like Cowskim Home. But there's been a lesser

1632
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:08,079
surge of that over the years, and it's really changed

1633
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:10,199
a lot of my feelings on this stuff, because initially

1634
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:14,000
I was like, oh, subscription services can provide some funding

1635
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:19,239
and some like carrot reasons for the publishers to want

1636
01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:21,439
to put their back catalog out there, to want to

1637
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,000
support this stuff. And instead that hasn't really been happening

1638
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:27,640
as often. It's slowed down a lot and that's been

1639
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:28,479
a bummer to see.

1640
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: I wonder because we're we're in a unique position of,

1641
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,399
you know, working in games media, which necessitates having to

1642
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,920
spend most of our time focusing on like the latest

1643
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,720
and greatest releases, Like we don't really have the luxury

1644
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,760
to dive into our backlogs as often as maybe we would, like,

1645
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:49,039
do you guys think if you weren't doing this job

1646
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:51,119
and you weren't beholden too having to keep up with

1647
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,840
everything new, would game Pass be more enticing? Because for me,

1648
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,840
I rarely find myself playing it, mainly because I'm so like, well,

1649
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,840
I always have something new I have to be playing

1650
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:03,479
or want to be playing that. It's very rare for

1651
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,079
me to just be like, oh it's in a game

1652
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:07,600
Pass libry, Oh I've played this, I'm gonna install this

1653
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,720
and play this, just because it's just it's harder for

1654
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,640
me to find the time. But if I did not

1655
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,600
have that, I feel like I would be more likely

1656
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,319
to be like, because there is things in that library,

1657
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:19,840
it was like, hey, I would I would love to

1658
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,239
sit down and play it as I've been It's been

1659
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:23,520
on my list, you know, for a while, and it's

1660
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,600
just here, but man, where would I find the time?

1661
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,359
You know that kind of thing, And I wonder how

1662
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,239
much this job sort of affects at least sort of

1663
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:34,840
like the back catalog of game Pass, how often you're

1664
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,640
you're diving into it.

1665
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 3: So I don't remember what year it was because when

1666
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,880
game Pass was like announced, I fully didn't understand. I

1667
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,039
think I saw enough headlines because I was I was

1668
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:50,479
like what in high school. I don't know a year

1669
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,319
it came out, but I was not like I was

1670
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:56,359
certainly not working in games media, and it was a

1671
01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,720
thing I wasn't really paying attention to. And remember one

1672
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,439
day being like, Okay, what ily is this? Oh this

1673
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,600
is crazy. I can just have a bunch of games

1674
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,800
if I pay one dollar. And then I did initially

1675
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,079
do that, like I played a bunch of specifically that's

1676
01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:13,000
how we played Dead Cells for the first time. There's

1677
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,079
specifically a lot of like indie games that I wouldn't

1678
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,680
have I wouldn't have gone out and spent the full

1679
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,760
price on without knowing what they were and was able

1680
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:25,119
to like try them out. I think nowadays I it's

1681
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,399
less appealing, probably because I do have that games media

1682
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,560
where I'm playing the newest thing a lot of the time,

1683
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,920
or I know about the latest thing, and so when

1684
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:37,800
you know, like Resident Evil Village just came to game

1685
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,039
Pass and I or is coming soon. I can't remember

1686
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:43,079
exactly what date it comes out to game Pass, but

1687
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,399
that was one I just played because I was doing

1688
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,159
on the backlog over the winter break. I was just

1689
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:50,640
going through these Resident Evil games for whatever reason. Perfect

1690
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,239
example of a thing that like a lot of Game

1691
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:54,319
Reformer staff played when it came out because it was

1692
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:57,760
like one of the big games at the time that

1693
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,680
someone might be like, oh, I missed this at the time.

1694
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,279
Uh so, yeah, I don't know if it's we'll get

1695
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,399
into some of the other services in a second. I

1696
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:08,479
don't know if I would be on game Pass specifically.

1697
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,199
I think there's other services that are more specific to

1698
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:12,760
the types of games that I would play in the

1699
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,640
way that I play them. But I do think it

1700
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,920
is more appealing if you're not obsessed with the next

1701
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,359
biggest thing. Also because Microsoft and Xbox like so rarely

1702
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,399
is what I would consider like the big game of

1703
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,399
the time, like actually coming out on game Pass, like

1704
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,359
a lot of times it's on other platforms to me

1705
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:33,840
or not exclusive to that.

1706
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:36,279
Speaker 1: I asked, because I have a friend who is not

1707
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:39,279
in the industry, but it's like a hardcore gamer. Like

1708
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:41,640
we play games together a lot, and he is like

1709
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,640
the opposite. We're like he is the game pass person

1710
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,399
or like he is always downloading stuff, and he keeps

1711
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,800
track of what's coming and going, and he'll if he

1712
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,199
sees like the list of what's leaving this month, he'll

1713
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:53,359
like go out of his way to play it. Yeah, yeah,

1714
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,600
because like, oh I haven't played this one. I don't

1715
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,239
know when it's coming back. I better get to it.

1716
01:23:57,279 --> 01:23:58,880
So like and again, he is someone that is not

1717
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,920
behold into keeping up the new stuff. In fact, he

1718
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:03,640
kind of he only plays like a few new things,

1719
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,560
or at least like he doesn't. He only plays like

1720
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,560
a few of like what would be like the new

1721
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:12,359
games that year each year. I guess. So he's leaving

1722
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,239
he's living sort of the like charms of non games

1723
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:18,399
media civilian life of like, wow, that must be nice

1724
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,800
to just you're just gonna play those old stuff whenever

1725
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,079
you want what and you just have this library of

1726
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,720
weird things that either look cool or like I don't

1727
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,479
know who this is, but I'm just gonna try because

1728
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:28,399
I can do that.

1729
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 3: I think to my point earlier about like fandoms of

1730
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,800
specific games kind of wharping what someone might think that

1731
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,159
like the opinions of a game are. I think I

1732
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,319
think every games media person needs to have at least

1733
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,399
a few people in their lives that play games regularly

1734
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,159
that like do not pay attention to like the discourse

1735
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:52,319
or like what's popular or whatever. Yeah, just to be like, oh, yeah,

1736
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:55,079
this is what this is what people actually care about,

1737
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,000
or what a different type of person than what I'm

1738
01:24:57,079 --> 01:24:59,399
used to interacting with actually character It's like, this is what.

1739
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:03,199
Speaker 1: Is really the jordy of like the world the gaming

1740
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:05,880
world kind of behaves of, Like if you get out

1741
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,920
of our ultimately small media enthusiast bubble and get more

1742
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,960
to like here's like the average gamer more.

1743
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: Or less, you know, like there's there's different levels of involvement,

1744
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,119
and I think, yeah, the important thing I would note

1745
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:24,600
there is people who definitely are not like they're enthusiasts,

1746
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,560
but they're also so one of my friends that I

1747
01:25:27,079 --> 01:25:30,680
won't name you by name, but he's he's got kids

1748
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,359
and and he's he's got a wife and all that,

1749
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:34,680
he's got a got a home life, and so he's

1750
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,239
definitely a gaming enthusiast, but a lot of the stuff

1751
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:39,279
he plays is stuff that he can either kind of

1752
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,279
hop in for just a round or two, or something

1753
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:44,439
that he can pause and step away from. So he

1754
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,720
plays Rim World. He was playing Tarkov for a long time.

1755
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:50,319
I think he got into Arc Graders when that came out.

1756
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,840
But he likes just kind of stuff that he can

1757
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,199
also play at his PC, because that's like kind of

1758
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,720
his his bastion, you know, it is where he can

1759
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,600
go and have his time and then come back out

1760
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,439
and do family stuff versus like another one of my

1761
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,479
friends who is traveling all the time, and so he

1762
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,760
likes stuff on his switch on his handheld because he

1763
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,239
travels for work, and so he tends to just play

1764
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,720
whatever random games kind of catch his attention on the switch.

1765
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,439
And so I do think for for what's worth having

1766
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,960
those kind of dowsing rods to say, like, what what

1767
01:26:21,119 --> 01:26:24,800
do people do when they're not just trying to always

1768
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,800
play the new thing and be plugged into every single

1769
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,880
stream that comes out and stuff like that. Is One

1770
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,439
of my other friends like would just play Final Fantasy

1771
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,000
Tactics on his phone all the time. Like that was

1772
01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:38,720
the game he played was he would just do a

1773
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,279
new run of Tactics and then Evelise Chronicles came out.

1774
01:26:42,319 --> 01:26:45,319
He was like, sick, I'm gonna play Evilise Chronicles all

1775
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:46,439
the time on my switch.

1776
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: Now.

1777
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that for him.

1778
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 3: The people usually have like their one game and it's

1779
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,520
like a live service game or like a shooter or something,

1780
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,479
and he's like, nah.

1781
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: If you're gonna pick one game, Final Fancy Tactics is

1782
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:02,600
a hell of a game.

1783
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:06,399
Speaker 1: Have you ever read that? Like Will Wright, I remember

1784
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,960
in an interview like forever Ago, talked about his daily

1785
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:14,800
routine and how he started every day by playing Advanced Wars.

1786
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,199
He said that was so funny. Ritual. He wakes up

1787
01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:20,079
and he plays Advanced Wars because he said it helps

1788
01:27:20,119 --> 01:27:21,760
him get his brain going.

1789
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me in the sixth grade. That's literally me

1790
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:30,000
in the sixth grade morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wake up,

1791
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:32,880
clock in. It's time to move tanks.

1792
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,520
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'm gonna move on to the next

1793
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,840
next service and we'll I'll pick up the pace a

1794
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,319
little bit. I want to spend a little more time

1795
01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:41,720
in game Pass because it kind of a big one.

1796
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,039
Next up, we have PlayStation Plus. This is the one

1797
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:48,800
that most recently I have spent the most time subscribed

1798
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,920
to because I specifically only play on my PS five.

1799
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,880
I don't boot up my Xbox very often. I don't

1800
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,560
know why. At PS five is just the one that

1801
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,920
I've I've locked on to. Place in Plus is sent

1802
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,560
choll uh. First of all, gives you online multiplayer. A

1803
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:04,880
lot of these are you kind of need to have

1804
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,159
online multiplayer, which is a very console thing, not really

1805
01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:13,600
like a PC thing. It also has uh cloud storage

1806
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,680
for like your save data and stuff. It has a

1807
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,600
feature called share play, which I didn't realize was a

1808
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,439
thing that it had, where basically you can get someone else,

1809
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:28,760
uh to like work into your console. And so that's

1810
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,119
the way you can do like sorry, that's that's the

1811
01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:33,239
verb they always use.

1812
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: That fan bye, That's that's I've never thought of it

1813
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:38,159
like that, but.

1814
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:51,279
Speaker 3: I honest to god, I learned that. Also, if you're familiar,

1815
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:53,520
war working is a thing in Game of Thrones where

1816
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:58,119
you you basically project your consciousness into an animal. And

1817
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,199
this in this case, where you're projecting your console's consciousness

1818
01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:02,319
into another concert.

1819
01:29:02,279 --> 01:29:04,159
Speaker 1: Your eyes roll behind your head as you're like, hey, no,

1820
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:05,399
God War real quick.

1821
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 3: But it's like it's like a remote play where like

1822
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,600
you're both playing on the same console, and I think

1823
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,600
you can use it to do like local co op

1824
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,640
stuff from online.

1825
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was.

1826
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that might have been how I played

1827
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:18,800
a way out.

1828
01:29:19,399 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a perfect example.

1829
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: Of one of those anyways.

1830
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1831
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 3: And then they also have monthly free games, so if

1832
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,520
you're just subscribed to Places of Plus Essential tier, you

1833
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,319
just got like three or four games every month, and

1834
01:29:33,359 --> 01:29:36,640
they're usually a mix of PS four and PS five games,

1835
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,840
though recently they might have phased out the PS four

1836
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,319
I don't really pay attention because I only play in

1837
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:42,640
PS five. But that's also a fun thing of me,

1838
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,840
just one of the reasons I don't use game Pass

1839
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,439
as much anymore, because I'm like, huh, that game, I

1840
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:48,479
wonder if I just own it?

1841
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:49,039
Speaker 1: Oh I do.

1842
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 3: It was a PlayStation Plus a free game they gave

1843
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,680
out in like November of twenty twenty two, and I've

1844
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,119
been subscribed since then, and I guess I own that game,

1845
01:29:57,359 --> 01:30:01,279
and that's that's something I like about it. I recently

1846
01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:04,199
have unsubscribed just because I forgot to re up it.

1847
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,199
But yeah, are either of you PS plus users? Eric

1848
01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:11,520
made a face that I feel like he definitely is not.

1849
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: I know I am, and you reminded me I need

1850
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:20,039
to turn it off because I I literally only sub

1851
01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:24,279
to it when I need it for a multiplayer and

1852
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,560
that's really frustrating for me because I used to use

1853
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,680
the cloud save option sometimes but it really wasn't a

1854
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,960
thing that I ever got around to all that often,

1855
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,920
and it's the multiplayer requirement that can be coming back.

1856
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,439
I mean, it was nice to get gendre Arc for

1857
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,000
free when they re released that for PS four. That

1858
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,760
was sick. We all love gendre Arc around here, but

1859
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,279
I've never I've never heard of it, but I probably

1860
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:52,319
own it, you know. It's like, yeah, it's it's it's

1861
01:30:52,399 --> 01:30:55,640
fire emblem. But Joan of Arc and she was if

1862
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,079
she was a power Ranger. It's it's awesome. It's really

1863
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:00,600
good high record.

1864
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:01,199
Speaker 3: I'm sold.

1865
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:07,119
Speaker 2: But honestly, like again, the PS plus titles kind of

1866
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:09,439
dried up for me over the years.

1867
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 3: And.

1868
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 2: I really wholly especially like once I started playing on

1869
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,159
PC again, which was I think I built my gaming

1870
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:22,920
PC around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, and then kind of

1871
01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:26,760
gradually moved everything over as the console generations went on,

1872
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,880
to the point that, like, by twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,

1873
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,680
I was playing most stuff on either my PC or

1874
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,720
my switch. I still am to this day mostly play

1875
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,319
on other PC or switch. And it gets really annoying

1876
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:38,800
when you have that moment of Oh, I want to

1877
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,760
play night Rain with my friends, but I have to

1878
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,960
pay money to do it, even though if I just

1879
01:31:45,079 --> 01:31:47,720
bought this, if we all bought this on Steam, we

1880
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,239
wouldn't have that. We wouldn't have to do that, And

1881
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,840
that's very frustrating, to be honest, and I kind of

1882
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,000
wish that wasn't in the equation for any of these services,

1883
01:31:59,039 --> 01:31:59,880
even the ones I like.

1884
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 3: There's so there's some that are like exempt from it.

1885
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,680
Like I'm pretty sure I think it's a fairly so. Yeah,

1886
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:07,479
the box like Fortnite, you don't have to pay any

1887
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:07,880
money for.

1888
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are games that get exceptions. Yeah, interesting to

1889
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,079
note which ones get exceptions and which ones don't, is

1890
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:22,560
what I will say. But it's definitely like, I think

1891
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,920
that's just a bummer. And also it's just I don't

1892
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:28,520
use it for anything else, and it doesn't give me

1893
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,680
value anywhere else, because again I'm not really dipping. I

1894
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,319
will say that Sony's retro catalog is pretty decent, so

1895
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,520
when we get into those later tiers, they do get

1896
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,880
into some games that I think they do plumb the

1897
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:43,600
depths a little bit more in ways that ape appealed

1898
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:43,800
to me.

1899
01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess for me, I've had PS plus sins

1900
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:50,119
this inception because for most of my pretty much I've

1901
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:53,720
owned every PlayStation console, and from the PS one onwards

1902
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:57,920
it became my primary console of choice. So when PSN started,

1903
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,159
I was like, well, yeah, I'm going to get this

1904
01:32:59,159 --> 01:33:01,319
because at the time I I've not gotten a three

1905
01:33:01,399 --> 01:33:04,439
sixty yet, so I was like, this is my online

1906
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,039
game machines, this PlayStation. I also was not a PC

1907
01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:10,840
gamer for the majority of my life, so I'm just

1908
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,520
sort of like I've just had it. It's just been

1909
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,960
a legacy subscription, you know. It's the oldest one that

1910
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,119
I've had of all the other ones. And when PS

1911
01:33:19,119 --> 01:33:20,960
plus started doing a free games thing, I was like, oh,

1912
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,319
this is incredible. They were like one of the first

1913
01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:25,520
ones to ever do it, if not the first of Like,

1914
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,720
here's free games to sweeten the pot. Because the Xbox

1915
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,760
Live wasn't doing that they.

1916
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:35,279
Speaker 3: Did, there was, there was Games with Gold.

1917
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Did they start doing the free games of Gold before

1918
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:39,840
PSN started doing it or after?

1919
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,520
Speaker 3: I feel like it was before, But I also I

1920
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,800
had an Xbox before I had a PlayStation, so I

1921
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:46,720
don't really know all.

1922
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:49,079
Speaker 2: I don't remember the timing, but I do remember that

1923
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:51,479
the big difference was Games with Gold gave you the game,

1924
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,600
like you got ownership of the game, versus it being

1925
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,199
tied to you maintaining your subscription status.

1926
01:33:57,279 --> 01:34:01,039
Speaker 3: Well, you access it on PlayStation. Plus you I still

1927
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:03,479
have the games despite my subscription being lapsed.

1928
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Why are your life? I don't think you can fire

1929
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,000
it up.

1930
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure you can. I'm

1931
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,039
pretty sure it gives.

1932
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:12,279
Speaker 1: Them to you.

1933
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,079
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some some research real quick. Well, continue discussing.

1934
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: Journalism is happening right now? Yeah, live on the air,

1935
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,239
but yeah so. But it was at least for me,

1936
01:34:23,279 --> 01:34:24,720
it was my first time being like, well, you're kid

1937
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,000
just giving me games being subscribed it's crazy, and again

1938
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:30,399
not having as many responsibilities, I was like, oh, I'm

1939
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,039
I'm gonna make copious use of this. And as time

1940
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:36,680
has gone on and especially again once I started, you know,

1941
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,239
doing this for a line of work, like I can't,

1942
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,159
I almost never touched my PS. It went from like

1943
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,600
I stopped really playing the new PS plus games to

1944
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,800
where I even stopped checking where I used to make

1945
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,039
it like I was on a clock of like, okay,

1946
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:54,760
first of the month, let's see what's here. And now

1947
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,399
I'll go like two three months and I'll go like,

1948
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,640
oh yeah, I mean I guess I just check this.

1949
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,760
Like I'll just happen to log into my PS five

1950
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,399
one day and be like I haven't checked this in

1951
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:06,119
a while. What I got over here? And we're like, oh, okay, cool,

1952
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,159
I'm gonna ask to my library and probably never see

1953
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:11,880
them again. Uh So it's become. But the thing that

1954
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,119
keeps me subscribed is really the thing that got me

1955
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,279
in the first place is you needed to play online,

1956
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,960
And I justify it as a work expense at this

1957
01:35:23,119 --> 01:35:27,920
point where it's like I review enough things on PlayStation

1958
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:30,760
or enough games come out where like I might need

1959
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,199
that online subscription, this might have an online mode that

1960
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:36,560
I need to access, or you know, just something like

1961
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,319
I don't want. It's very much the like just in

1962
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,279
case sort of thing of like I don't want to

1963
01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:44,039
suddenly run into a situation where was like, oh I

1964
01:35:44,039 --> 01:35:46,359
want to play this online, Oh right, I let I

1965
01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:48,680
don't have that subscribe. I got to re up for

1966
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,680
a month and then and then it becomes a question like,

1967
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,039
well do I pay for a month? What if it

1968
01:35:53,039 --> 01:35:54,920
happens again next month? And then I'm tending to me

1969
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,920
paying more if I'm buying a month a month and

1970
01:35:57,079 --> 01:36:00,359
instead of just like multiple months. And this job is

1971
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,159
enough reason for me to be like, I just need

1972
01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:04,319
to have this successible at all times because I don't

1973
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:06,279
know what's going to get pass my way that needs

1974
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,479
to be online, you know what I mean. So that's

1975
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:14,399
how I justify keeping it to this day. Unfortunately, they've

1976
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:18,359
raised the price on that too in the last couple

1977
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:22,560
of years or so. But yeah, it's it's just becom

1978
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,880
ingrained in my like budget at this point that I

1979
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:30,239
don't notice or minded it. It's it's weird, but that's

1980
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:31,800
that's my justification. We're keeping it.

1981
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:36,359
Speaker 2: A quick note, the Virtual streets are saying that you

1982
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,119
do need to maintain your subscription to maintain access to

1983
01:36:40,119 --> 01:36:42,960
any PS plus premium or free games that you have acquired.

1984
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:46,640
Uh so you it will it will lock if you

1985
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:48,119
if your subscription lapses.

1986
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say that was always That's fascinating.

1987
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 2: There there were individual reports of people who like left

1988
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,760
the game open after their subscription ended, and they were

1989
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,760
able to keep playing the game so long as their

1990
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,760
console didn't turn off, or they're like the close the

1991
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,720
game and switch to a different game or something. It's like,

1992
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,399
but the second they did it then locked out.

1993
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of being in a store when it's

1994
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,680
closed and they like they won't let anyone else in,

1995
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:10,920
but you can still finish your.

1996
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 2: Purchase, exactly exactly. You can stay in toys r Us

1997
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:20,680
as long as they don't catch you. That's that's accurate. Okay.

1998
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I guess I just always say do that.

1999
01:37:23,399 --> 01:37:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, don't don't get toys r us. Okay, I yeah,

2000
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,159
I guess it just always stays subscribed. So I guess

2001
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:34,439
it's not the same. Interesting, Well, that's worse then, But

2002
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,239
I still I still use it, and I still like

2003
01:37:36,319 --> 01:37:39,239
having the games. I guess the quote unquote having the games,

2004
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,079
this is a this is a continual thing.

2005
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:42,119
Speaker 2: I think.

2006
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,079
Speaker 3: I think the two biggest things that we'll talk about

2007
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:50,800
are one, Uh, is this this ownership thing. This is

2008
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,039
particularly an issue for me with the Nintendo stuff, where

2009
01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:58,239
it's like subscriptions have replaced owning stuff and you don't

2010
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:01,399
really ever own things. We're just rent everything. And a

2011
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,479
frustrating reality that like stuff like the fact that I

2012
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,079
have I have my wall of all these different games

2013
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,119
behind me are things I can always boot up and

2014
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:10,600
go back to and play and be like, oh, I

2015
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,319
remember playing this game in likeness game or not or whatever.

2016
01:38:13,359 --> 01:38:15,680
That just I just still have those memories, just a

2017
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,319
weird thing of me being like, yep, oh I eventually,

2018
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,680
you know, twenty years from now, I might not even

2019
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,840
be able to access, you know, my PlayStation plus library

2020
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:26,399
and it'll be like, oh, remember when you had all

2021
01:38:26,399 --> 01:38:26,920
those games?

2022
01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Too bad?

2023
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,319
Speaker 3: We closed or we did whatever and we shut it down.

2024
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,199
Speaker 1: Does that make you feel better when you've technically never

2025
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:34,960
owned them, because now you know, like the moment you

2026
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:36,880
let the subscription laps, they took away from you.

2027
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 3: Anyway, Uh, to be honest of how I feel, I

2028
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,079
feel like you each personally took like three hundred games

2029
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:45,760
out of my library that I amassed over the last

2030
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,600
five years that I had, And now that I have

2031
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,840
the knowledge that I don't have them, it's your fault.

2032
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,239
That's a deal like emotion.

2033
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know I've all I guess because knowing

2034
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,560
how this this arrangement works from the beginning, I never

2035
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:02,720
felt any ownership for those games. I knew like the

2036
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,000
moment I stopped giving you money, they're gone. So I

2037
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,600
have no personal attachment to that library. The ones that

2038
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,760
I actually paid money for, you know, it's a bit

2039
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,399
of a different story. Yeah, all the like hundreds of

2040
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,720
PS plus games that I probably have, I'm like them.

2041
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,680
I if they went away, I wouldn't be like, oh no,

2042
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:19,159
I'd be like, yeah, I never owned se I didn't

2043
01:39:19,159 --> 01:39:21,680
pay for those. I technically paid for them, but not

2044
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:26,880
in the you know, I subscribed to borrow them basically.

2045
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 3: Well and crucially so we were talking about the essential

2046
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,640
tier right now, it's just ten bucks a month. Also,

2047
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,840
a lot of these have different prices. If you decide

2048
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,359
to pay for like every three months or yearly. I

2049
01:39:37,399 --> 01:39:40,920
find the monthly price is a better basis. It always

2050
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,239
frustrates me when something's like for as little as three

2051
01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:45,159
dollars a month and then you click on it. It's

2052
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:47,960
like when you pay annually eighty it if you want

2053
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,520
to play monthly, it's twenty thousand dollars a month, which

2054
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:57,000
I say, anyways, we've got an extra which gives you

2055
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:02,119
the game catalog. So this is like their game Pass

2056
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:05,760
equivalent in terms of like you're playing modern games or

2057
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:09,600
what's in their game catalog. This page on the Places

2058
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,319
Plus website doesn't have the total number, so I don't

2059
01:40:12,319 --> 01:40:13,600
know how much it is. Off the top of my head.

2060
01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:17,720
It's like, Okay, this is featuring hundreds of games, so

2061
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,439
some amount of hundreds. I feel like it's smaller than

2062
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,079
the Xbox Games catalog. I don't have any evidence to

2063
01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:28,600
support that. Notably, PlayStation hasn't ever really been like day one,

2064
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,159
we're gonna put our big Like Spider Man two didn't

2065
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,159
launch on PlayStation Plus, and it would be pretty surprising

2066
01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:36,880
if it did. And eventually they'll come to that service

2067
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,039
most likely, but it's a different It's much more of

2068
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:43,399
a back catalog you're paying for rather than like staying

2069
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,720
up to date so to speak, with the newest releases.

2070
01:40:46,039 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 1: How long it takes. I've never got a sense of

2071
01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:50,640
the time frame between launch and Okay, we'll put our

2072
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:51,720
big first party thing on.

2073
01:40:52,199 --> 01:40:54,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's at least a year or so.

2074
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Is it like the CADS is, like this is coming

2075
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,159
to PC. It takes as long for it to come

2076
01:40:59,199 --> 01:40:59,680
to Extra.

2077
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 3: Maybe a little shorter, but yeah, I don't know. I

2078
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:08,279
think it's also PlayStation really in my mind, at least,

2079
01:41:08,279 --> 01:41:11,159
I don't know what they'll like numbers say, really relies

2080
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:13,439
on its first party games, like that's how that's where

2081
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,159
a lot of the the value of PlayStation is is.

2082
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:17,840
It's like, well, that's the only place you can play

2083
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,840
Got of War, Spider Man, got et cetera.

2084
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: Right. I should also clarify that I've only ever been

2085
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,880
subscribed to the lowest tier, which used to be the

2086
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,560
only tier before that added the two extra tiers and

2087
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,439
then and then I got knocked down to the bottom.

2088
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,079
But I have never been compelled to pay for the

2089
01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:34,960
other two tiers.

2090
01:41:35,359 --> 01:41:40,359
Speaker 2: I was on the extra tier for a while when

2091
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:43,000
I was subscribed, because I think that is the one

2092
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:47,560
that does give you access to older games, so being

2093
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,399
able to access correct the catalog.

2094
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,279
Speaker 1: Right now, just wait, what So.

2095
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:56,399
Speaker 3: There's Essential, then there's Extra, and then there's Premium and Premium.

2096
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, Premium is the one that has older stuff.

2097
01:41:59,039 --> 01:42:01,039
I was on that for a little bit because it

2098
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:03,560
did give me access to but I think they also

2099
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:06,960
changed that at some point or because there were games

2100
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,640
that were coming to Extra and Premium, but then there

2101
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,520
were ones that were only going to premium.

2102
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: It's I mean, the biggest criticism with their tiers is

2103
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,600
that it's unnecessarily complicated.

2104
01:42:17,319 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they also have Yeah, so the Extra has

2105
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,680
like games. It also has Ubisoft Plus Classics, which is interesting.

2106
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,920
It's not Ubisoft plus Tubasoft plus Classics, so it's some

2107
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,359
of the Ubisoft games. I was on the Extra tier

2108
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:36,279
like two years ago, three years ago maybe now, where

2109
01:42:36,279 --> 01:42:38,920
I replayed all the Assassin's Creed games, or at least

2110
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:40,439
a lot of the Assassin's Creed games, and it was

2111
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,960
easier for me to pay for PlayStation Plus Extra rather

2112
01:42:44,039 --> 01:42:47,680
than to buy the ones that they didn't have. And

2113
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,039
then the top and so that's that's fifteen bucks a month,

2114
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:52,600
and then eighteen bucks a month is Playtation Plus Premium,

2115
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,119
which includes that classics catalog. Eric was talking about. It

2116
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,520
has cloud streaming, so you're basically streaming a lot of

2117
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,800
these older games. Am I right that it's PlayStation one, two,

2118
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,840
and three games in this library.

2119
01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 2: I just saw Arc the lad in there, as well

2120
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,079
as ape Escape one, and I see Dark Cloud the

2121
01:43:12,119 --> 01:43:14,680
first Dark Cloud as well as Dark Cloud two on

2122
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:15,159
here as well.

2123
01:43:15,319 --> 01:43:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we got the whole spread.

2124
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: The whole spread. So yeah, and that's that's one I've

2125
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:26,079
honestly been considering, not seriously considering, thinking about trying out

2126
01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:31,239
PlayStation Plus Premium because I have a PlayStation Portal, and

2127
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:34,239
if you pay for Premium, you can do cloud streaming,

2128
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:37,399
and now the portal can do supports streaming from the

2129
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:40,359
cloud as opposed to just remote play from a console,

2130
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:41,960
which is the thing that you think would always be

2131
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,119
able to do and I wish I could do without

2132
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,560
a subscription, but I don't know that is that is

2133
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:50,840
maybe my most regretful game purchase, like game hardware purchase,

2134
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,760
the PlayStation Portal, because I never use it. It doesn't

2135
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:59,279
really I got one maybe a year ago, a little

2136
01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:01,920
more than the New Year. I don't know. It's it's

2137
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,000
I really liked, you know what it was. I loved

2138
01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:07,680
the idea of playing Metaphor Refontasio in bed because my

2139
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,520
PlayStation's out in the living room, and that's we were

2140
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,600
talking about turn based like tactical stuff. But that's just

2141
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,279
one where I'm like, I don't want to have to

2142
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:17,760
always be sitting out here when I play this game.

2143
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,399
It's really long. I just want to be able to

2144
01:44:19,399 --> 01:44:22,079
play it in as many locations as possible. So I

2145
01:44:22,079 --> 01:44:26,079
got the portal, but I just like my WiFi is

2146
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:28,319
like fine, but it's not good enough to support the

2147
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,840
like timed button pressing or stuff that you get from

2148
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,960
something like that. Just like running around in the open

2149
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,399
world that always was hard for me.

2150
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, I mean honestly, that speaks to like one

2151
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,279
of the reasons I don't feel the need to upgrade

2152
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:45,800
is like cloud streaming is kind of a big it's

2153
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,840
not one of the characters. And I've I've I just

2154
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:50,920
don't like cloud streaming at all. Like I don't care

2155
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,800
what genre game it is. I just never want to

2156
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,319
have to worry about latency. Like my internet's good, but

2157
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:58,439
even then, I just never I the moment I see

2158
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,640
any dipper stutter, I'm gonna be like this sucks. I'm

2159
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,640
just going to go back to my ansole. It's why

2160
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:04,640
I didn't buy a portals. I was like, this is

2161
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,039
the this is emphatical to how I want to play games.

2162
01:45:08,359 --> 01:45:10,319
It's like it's built on cloud streaming and I don't

2163
01:45:10,319 --> 01:45:12,000
want to handheld, but I can't leave the house with

2164
01:45:12,199 --> 01:45:14,039
If I want to do that, I can pull out

2165
01:45:14,039 --> 01:45:16,479
my WIU. It's like I've already lived that life.

2166
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,279
Speaker 3: My my understanding is that, and I could be wrong,

2167
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:23,039
because I've posted about this a few times. I understanding

2168
01:45:23,039 --> 01:45:25,880
is that the cloud streaming and the remote play are

2169
01:45:26,079 --> 01:45:29,680
different levels of good, and that cloud streaming has gotten

2170
01:45:30,359 --> 01:45:34,600
better over time. Remote play for me, has a lot

2171
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,239
more latency. But that's why the thing I haven't tried

2172
01:45:37,239 --> 01:45:39,520
the cloud streaming on PlayStation Portal. I guess maybe I'm

2173
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,960
still being delusional and I'm like, there's still it'll still

2174
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,600
be worth it this purchase that I made.

2175
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 2: I've only I've only tried cloud streaming on two different services.

2176
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,800
I tried the Xbox One and it was okay. I

2177
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,960
don't remember it being remarkably.

2178
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:55,159
Speaker 3: Good, you know, when you did that out of curiosity, that.

2179
01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:57,159
Speaker 2: Would have been like at least three years ago or

2180
01:45:57,159 --> 01:45:58,840
so I did. It was it was a while bag

2181
01:45:59,079 --> 01:46:00,760
Yeah launched.

2182
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:05,279
Speaker 1: And fine, But I tried. Yeah.

2183
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 2: The other one I tried, which we'll talk about the moment,

2184
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:12,079
is the Switch Cloud stuff, specifically the ones that were

2185
01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:14,439
coming out only for Triple A games. I tried to

2186
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:22,000
control Cloud on the switch. Oh my god, crazy four

2187
01:46:22,039 --> 01:46:24,119
hardware would.

2188
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 3: Even sell that.

2189
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 2: Instead, the switch that's being lit on fire is thousands

2190
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,680
of miles away from you and trying to stream you

2191
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:38,319
the game quietly. It's doing the R two D two

2192
01:46:38,399 --> 01:46:39,159
yell yes.

2193
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 3: Uh, anyways, that's that's a PlayStation. It sounds like this

2194
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,640
is one that we all are. This is the first one,

2195
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,800
and all three of us are currently subscribed to by choice.

2196
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,079
But maybe when this podcast ends, Eric will not be

2197
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:56,960
anymore until there's another online.

2198
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,239
Speaker 1: We've witnessed the death of a subscription service live on

2199
01:46:59,279 --> 01:46:59,560
the air.

2200
01:47:00,079 --> 01:47:01,199
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

2201
01:47:01,319 --> 01:47:05,039
Speaker 3: Next up, we'll talk about Nintendo. Nintendo Switch Online, the

2202
01:47:05,079 --> 01:47:08,239
weirdest one of these. It does a lot of things

2203
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:13,039
at the same time. Uh, and I I have it.

2204
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,640
I have the expansion pack plan.

2205
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we all do, right, I think we

2206
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:19,880
all do.

2207
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:22,239
Speaker 2: That's another one to play to play Path of Radiance,

2208
01:47:22,279 --> 01:47:23,960
I think you need it, right Yeah?

2209
01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I think this is another one. Disclosure

2210
01:47:27,039 --> 01:47:31,000
that Nintendo provided Game Informer with which well maybe I

2211
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,319
don't know, maybe you got it. I know mine.

2212
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:38,359
Speaker 3: Well, I had it and I got it before Nintendo

2213
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:40,359
sent us the code, and it was like, it actually

2214
01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:43,640
doesn't work because I paid for a year and you

2215
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:46,439
can't like buy another year and then extend what you had,

2216
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:48,239
like it has to be a lapse account or whatever.

2217
01:47:48,279 --> 01:47:49,079
Speaker 1: So yeah, it.

2218
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:51,079
Speaker 3: Just didn't work.

2219
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I pay for this. I will continue to

2220
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,279
pay for this this if I if I only had

2221
01:47:58,279 --> 01:48:00,600
to pick, well, if I only had to pick one

2222
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,359
gaming subscription that I have, it would be to continue

2223
01:48:03,399 --> 01:48:05,880
my final Fantasy fourteen subscription, and then it would be

2224
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,359
to keep Switch.

2225
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 1: Sorry to suggest that you you take handouts there, idn't.

2226
01:48:11,239 --> 01:48:19,039
Speaker 2: Mean yeah no, if anything, I'm not being offered a handouts.

2227
01:48:19,039 --> 01:48:22,159
Speaker 1: Handouts talking about.

2228
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 2: Straps, yeah yeah, gotta pull yourself up by your expansion pack.

2229
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, get that premium.

2230
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,119
Speaker 3: Sid So, uh, Switch online is interesting. It does a

2231
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:34,560
lot of things. It does have online play, so there

2232
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,319
are instances where you might want to do that. I

2233
01:48:36,319 --> 01:48:38,920
don't know who's like really intense about it. My brother

2234
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,520
was like really into playing Smash online for a hot minute,

2235
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,560
so he would have it for that. If you're trying

2236
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,800
to play that definite online cart world for sure. Yeah, yeah,

2237
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,560
you're playing with friends that are distant, et cetera. Others,

2238
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,439
there's instances where you would use that and people now

2239
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,079
people go to Nintendo platforms four traditionally, but there's definitely

2240
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,880
some big games that you could Oh, you're disagreeing with me.

2241
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just said Animal Crossing, like that's the reason

2242
01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:06,239
to have switch online versus anything else. You got to

2243
01:49:06,319 --> 01:49:08,880
have it for that. I would have said, like, yeah,

2244
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:13,319
like four years ago, two great, look, I play a

2245
01:49:13,319 --> 01:49:17,760
lot of I think Nintendo's multiplayer offering is is very

2246
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,840
good on its doorst party front. Like Mario Kart's Great

2247
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,640
Smash doesn't always work, if it ever does, but I

2248
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,560
still play it anyways because I'm a broken man. I

2249
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,479
would have said Mario Party if not for Lego Party

2250
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:33,039
coming out, But then Lego Party also very fun multiplayer. Uh,

2251
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:35,760
And yeah, like Animal Crossing, being able to go to

2252
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,079
your friend's islands, to trade stuff, to do all the

2253
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:40,199
different things you can do with online. When it comes

2254
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:43,000
to that, yeah, you absolutely want it for that, nothing else.

2255
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:47,359
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't consider it for any of those

2256
01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:50,359
because those are mostly things I do locally that you

2257
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:53,079
like can't do locally with other consoles so like, if

2258
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:55,720
I'm playing Animal Crossing, I'm trading with like the people

2259
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,239
in my household, or like my friends when I see

2260
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,840
them in person. I'm doing a lot more local switch stuff.

2261
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:05,000
But that's just me and I hadn't occurred to me

2262
01:50:05,039 --> 01:50:06,800
that to me. To me, it's like like a call

2263
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,279
of duty. That to me is like there's games that

2264
01:50:09,279 --> 01:50:11,159
you could only play online, and you would only play

2265
01:50:11,159 --> 01:50:13,520
online that I am playing on like PlayStation. That's That's

2266
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,279
what I'm thinking of. I guess to where I was

2267
01:50:15,279 --> 01:50:15,840
coming from.

2268
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:19,520
Speaker 2: There was a thing that happened called the COVID nineteen pandemic,

2269
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:23,000
in which we crucially could not visit each other's house

2270
01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:26,920
and we're thus not able to trade items in person, and.

2271
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,520
Speaker 1: I think that change.

2272
01:50:29,239 --> 01:50:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Legitimately, there was a huge boom in online gaming

2273
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,279
and discord communities and things like that around the COVID

2274
01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:39,680
nineteen pandemic, and largely, like I, I myself have seen

2275
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,880
entire communities and friend groups formed around things like playing

2276
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:47,039
Animal Crossing online. So yeah, I think for that reason alone,

2277
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:50,640
it's it's already like a pretty notable thing. I still

2278
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,039
don't like it. I'm still not happy about having to

2279
01:50:53,079 --> 01:50:55,840
pay to get multiplayer access. I think that's silly.

2280
01:50:57,039 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: This is a percentage of Nintendo Switch Online subscribe. Are

2281
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,920
people that signed up during the pandemic and just kept

2282
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,520
forgetting to cancel it and every year to get that

2283
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,199
like twenty dollars hit in or bank counter like, oh

2284
01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:11,960
that thing, God forgot it was paying for that, so

2285
01:51:12,279 --> 01:51:13,840
oh I got another year. I gotta keep it.

2286
01:51:14,079 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 2: Someone listening to the pod right now just had that moment,

2287
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,199
got the email, still sub to that.

2288
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, So on that note, Switch Online the price is

2289
01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:26,880
it's a lot more affordable than these other ones. It

2290
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,840
is a thing where like PlayStation Plus, for example, is

2291
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,399
something where at least two of the three of us

2292
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:36,399
were like, I want the online multiplayer, and they're adding

2293
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,199
other stuff to it that I have to buy in

2294
01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:41,119
order to get the online multiplayer, where maybe you would

2295
01:51:41,279 --> 01:51:43,159
love to have like an option where you're paying less

2296
01:51:43,319 --> 01:51:46,840
just for multiplayer. Sometimes Switch Online it's twenty dollars for

2297
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,880
a whole year. So a year of base Switch Online

2298
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:51,920
is less than one month of Ultimate Game Pass, which

2299
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:58,479
is wild and that gets you online play, that gets

2300
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:02,000
you some of the class library, that gets you SNS

2301
01:52:02,079 --> 01:52:05,319
and game Boy, that gets you the Nintendo Music app

2302
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:10,439
on Switch to game chat. We all love it. And

2303
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:13,079
then you can also save data in the cloud. That's

2304
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:15,880
what all those things, which is also huge.

2305
01:52:16,039 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially atally one of my main reasons for I mean,

2306
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,079
outside of just academic reasons, but I do like having

2307
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:23,880
cloud stores is a big deal.

2308
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,520
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I like that one a lot because I

2309
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,479
think I didn't run into it as often with PlayStation

2310
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,880
having to like delete a game and then reload a

2311
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:34,760
game and things like that, But with the Switch, I

2312
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,800
was doing it more often than obviously. Moving from my

2313
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:39,800
original switch to my O lead and then from my

2314
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,479
O lead to my switch to uh, being able to

2315
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:46,199
pull down all that stuff and just carry everything over

2316
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,960
was huge. And again it was for twenty bucks a year,

2317
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,600
which is so much less than everything else is asking

2318
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:56,840
right now, even on the metric of just subscription services,

2319
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,359
not even counting games, that's so much cheaper than everything

2320
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:01,000
else out there.

2321
01:53:01,159 --> 01:53:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's also I'm talking the individual prices, right.

2322
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,119
A lot of people are on a Switch family plan

2323
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,039
where you don't need to be family members. You can

2324
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,880
link a bunch of accounts. Eight people can share a

2325
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,920
family plan account and it's thirty five dollars a year

2326
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:22,239
for eight people, which is I'm sorry, why I wish

2327
01:53:22,319 --> 01:53:24,359
you when you clarify that you don't have to be

2328
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:27,319
part of the same family, I wish Nintendo trying to

2329
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:32,920
verify that is that your brother, your mes don't look

2330
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:34,159
similar enough to each other.

2331
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: Family supports.

2332
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:41,560
Speaker 2: Nintendo supports found families right even in their plans.

2333
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:47,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's the Expansion Pack, which is all

2334
01:53:47,159 --> 01:53:51,640
the stuff is before, and then add stuff. Notably, we're

2335
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:55,840
talking about Path of Radiance, which is a GameCube game

2336
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:58,840
on the Switch to it adds access to their GameCube

2337
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,239
game library on both Switch one and Swich too, adds

2338
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:05,600
this Nintendo sixty four games, game Boy Advance Games, and

2339
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:10,840
then there's a bunch of specific big first party Nintendo games.

2340
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:15,039
I have DLC that's exclusive to Switch on the expansion pack. Sorry,

2341
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:17,439
not exclusive to the expansion pack, but you get it

2342
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:21,520
quote unquote for free with the expansion Pack. So this

2343
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,399
is Tiers of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild.

2344
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:27,399
They both get up to their upgraded Switch to upgrades

2345
01:54:28,079 --> 01:54:30,760
Mario cart Eate Deluxe, you get the whole Booster Course Pass,

2346
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,159
which is like forty eight more tracks. I might be

2347
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:34,600
making that number up. It's a lot, it's a lot

2348
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,239
of more tracks. You get the Animal Crossing, New Horizons,

2349
01:54:37,239 --> 01:54:40,880
Happy Home Paradise up DLC, you get this Splatoon two

2350
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,680
Octo expansion. And then also they like they separated the

2351
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:49,159
Sega Genesis catalog from all of the Nintendo ones because

2352
01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:51,279
they're like, well that's that's not they're not real. But

2353
01:54:51,439 --> 01:54:53,560
you know, have to play second Genesis games, specifically with

2354
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:58,600
the expansion pack that is individually fifty dollars a year,

2355
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,319
family plan eighty dollars a year. Again, if you're getting

2356
01:55:02,359 --> 01:55:04,399
eight people total, then it's ten bucks a year for

2357
01:55:04,439 --> 01:55:07,960
all those things. If you have eight people, absolutely the

2358
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,760
way to go. You just gotta assuming there.

2359
01:55:10,199 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Yeah.

2360
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 3: I I was paying for a bunch of people. I

2361
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,840
was paying for a family plan for Switch one, and

2362
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,800
it was a bunch of people that I like, didn't

2363
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:22,199
really talk to, and it was like the third year

2364
01:55:22,199 --> 01:55:22,479
and I.

2365
01:55:22,439 --> 01:55:24,079
Speaker 1: Was like, a family.

2366
01:55:25,359 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 3: Wow, Nintendo's yeah, they're checking to see if you've texted them?

2367
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,279
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, have.

2368
01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:32,359
Speaker 2: You checked in on your family?

2369
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,479
Speaker 1: Checked the family plan members.

2370
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 3: I canceled it and I just started paying for an

2371
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,399
individual one. I think because I was just like I'm

2372
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:42,960
not gonna keep doing this for people don't care. Also,

2373
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,760
I was upgrading to the Expansion Past and I was like,

2374
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,840
I don't feel like yeah anyways, yeah, so, uh we

2375
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:51,119
all have the Expansion Pass.

2376
01:55:51,399 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 1: Uh, I have it.

2377
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 3: I bought for it. I paid for it. Eric, you

2378
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,399
paid for it, Marcus, would you be paying for it

2379
01:55:57,439 --> 01:55:59,039
if it wasn't provided by Nintendo?

2380
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: I have paid for it. Actually, so the first time

2381
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,520
I got it was through Nintendo, and then we got

2382
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:08,359
laid off, and then during that year it like autovernude.

2383
01:56:08,439 --> 01:56:09,720
So I mean, I guess I didn't pay for it

2384
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:12,920
by choices, but I was like, oh right, I gotta

2385
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:14,960
pay for this now, all right, So like the last

2386
01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:19,159
year was on my dime and then we got another

2387
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:22,920
sub through them that said, because the Expansion Pass is

2388
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:30,119
fifty a year, I think, yes, right, Oh, I this

2389
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:32,560
one's harder out of all the like I guess, like

2390
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:38,199
libraries that the subscription all the three subscription services offer,

2391
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,680
I was the most bummed or would be the most

2392
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:44,600
bummed to lose Nintendo's I think this is the most

2393
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,920
appealing in terms of like, oh, these are all like

2394
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,840
classic retro games. Some of them are like Japan or

2395
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:54,119
Japanese releases that are in like available state side for

2396
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:56,840
the first time, so that there's weird little oddities like

2397
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,640
that that are interesting for me. And I think, like

2398
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,000
I can go without game Pass, but like this one,

2399
01:57:02,039 --> 01:57:03,600
I'd be like, oh man, I kind of miss having

2400
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:05,680
those N sixty four games or those S and E

2401
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,720
S games. It'd be cool to just and not like

2402
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:12,880
I'm firing those up even often. But I would between

2403
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:17,960
the comparatively cheaper price tag and the more appealing library,

2404
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:22,600
I would keep paying for Switch Line and again cloud Saves.

2405
01:57:22,399 --> 01:57:24,159
That's that's big for Switch.

2406
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2407
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,199
Speaker 2: I think if you strip out the quality of life

2408
01:57:30,199 --> 01:57:33,479
features and you even just look at the retro catalog,

2409
01:57:34,199 --> 01:57:38,119
I really think it's a good retro catalog that Nintendo

2410
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:40,880
has curated. The Sega stuff, especially like you can play

2411
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:43,920
Fantasy Star four on your Switch right now. You can

2412
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,680
just boot it up on the Expansion Pass and that

2413
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:50,159
that owns like that's a it's a really hard game

2414
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:55,000
to get like proper access to otherwise, and a lot

2415
01:57:55,039 --> 01:57:57,880
of other stuff is on there like that. I think

2416
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:01,079
the N sixty four stuff to your point, uh, like

2417
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:04,399
you can just boot up Pokemon Stadium and play some

2418
01:58:04,479 --> 01:58:05,800
mini games and stuff like that.

2419
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

2420
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,079
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that sounds great, Like nobody, Okay, let's be

2421
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:11,119
honest with ourselves. How many people are actually booting up

2422
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:14,279
Smash sixty four versus Smash Bro's Ultimate, Like like that's

2423
01:58:14,319 --> 01:58:15,920
not happening very often, but you.

2424
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: Do the show your kids like we got far we

2425
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:18,039
came from this.

2426
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, this is what it used to

2427
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,399
be and they're like, okay, can we go back to Ultimate?

2428
01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:31,359
Now go pick Joker. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is an

2429
01:58:31,399 --> 01:58:36,159
impressive offering that they continue to do. I always hit

2430
01:58:36,199 --> 01:58:37,600
a point where I'm like, oh, I wish they were

2431
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:40,000
doing more. And then they announced that they're doing GameCube

2432
01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:42,119
and not just the GameCube games that you would expect,

2433
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,960
but here's Path of Radiance, here's I don't think we

2434
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,119
have this. Yeah, but at some point, yeah chib Robo

2435
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:50,119
xd Gale of Darkness is supposed to come to at

2436
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:53,640
some point, which is a crazy cut. Like it's almost

2437
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,560
like Nintendo went to the list of the highest priced

2438
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,720
GameCube games and said, we're going to put these on

2439
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:00,960
the surface. You know, We're just will really help the

2440
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,520
people out.

2441
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's a switch to on or to GameCube

2442
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,840
library only like solidifies like I'm not getting rid of

2443
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:07,800
us because I never had a GameCube and I have

2444
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:10,159
gone back over the years and played some of the

2445
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:13,079
big stuff from GameCube like Sunshine and Win Waker, but

2446
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:16,399
there's stuff that I'm like, man, I'm counting down todays

2447
01:59:16,439 --> 01:59:19,279
until they can somehow make Eternal Darkness happen. I've always

2448
01:59:19,319 --> 01:59:20,119
wanted to play that.

2449
01:59:20,079 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 2: It'd be so sick, that'd so awesome.

2450
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,439
Speaker 1: You're like, now you're saying it's possible we can get

2451
01:59:24,439 --> 01:59:27,359
this on like modern platforms because of this library. Well,

2452
01:59:27,359 --> 01:59:29,279
I got to keep it for that day.

2453
01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:32,359
Speaker 2: To come get custom Robo on there. I mean doing

2454
01:59:32,399 --> 01:59:35,239
the Krados mean like put custom Robo on my Switch

2455
01:59:35,319 --> 01:59:42,159
to Nintendo. Yeah, it's I I genuinely am surprised for

2456
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:46,600
a company that I do think usually struggles with how

2457
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:51,159
it packages it's retro nostalgia and things like that. Nintendo

2458
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:53,199
Switch Online is like totally worth it to me. And

2459
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:55,359
I think if I could only pick one service out

2460
01:59:55,399 --> 01:59:57,479
of these to keep, and granted I am a switch

2461
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,520
to user, like I use my switch to a lot

2462
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,800
if you don't use your switch a lot. So yeah,

2463
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,359
these platforms really just end up being for the power

2464
02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:08,560
users of their respective platforms, right like Xbox game Pass.

2465
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,600
If you own an Xbox, if all you play is

2466
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:14,960
games on Xbox, you're gonna want Xbox Game Pass. But

2467
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,880
if you're like me and you only play stuff on

2468
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,279
PC or Switch, granted, game Pass is also on PC,

2469
02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:23,239
but take PlayStation. If you really only play on PlayStation,

2470
02:00:23,279 --> 02:00:26,760
then Plus is going to be a magnitude higher of

2471
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:29,720
importance for you. But I think when it comes to Switch,

2472
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,800
I do think the offerings they give are both in

2473
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,479
quality of life and what they add to the games

2474
02:00:36,479 --> 02:00:39,479
that you either already own or will own, because if

2475
02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:42,199
you buy Nintendo console, you're buying Nintendo games. That's kind

2476
02:00:42,199 --> 02:00:46,239
of how it's always gone. They do offer a lot

2477
02:00:46,319 --> 02:00:48,600
in that respect, and I think it really has made

2478
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:51,520
that service feel like a standout for me compared to

2479
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:52,079
the other two.

2480
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:57,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it's an interesting like there's an

2481
02:00:57,159 --> 02:01:02,039
extent of like if I own a PlayStation and you could,

2482
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:04,960
I can understand not having placers and plus if you're

2483
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:06,720
not playing online all that much, there is there is

2484
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:08,239
an extent to which I feel like if you have

2485
02:01:08,319 --> 02:01:11,760
a Switch or Switch to especially you don't have the

2486
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,359
Switch online, it kind of feels like you're not getting

2487
02:01:14,359 --> 02:01:17,279
the most out of the console. Like I feel like

2488
02:01:17,279 --> 02:01:19,279
the retro offerings are like a big draw for a

2489
02:01:19,319 --> 02:01:21,039
lot of like a wide audience of people.

2490
02:01:22,039 --> 02:01:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how much that is, how much true

2491
02:01:25,359 --> 02:01:26,840
it is for younger.

2492
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:28,399
Speaker 3: Definitely not.

2493
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:30,159
Speaker 1: I'm always curious about that.

2494
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 2: I think it's nostalgia driven for sure.

2495
02:01:33,159 --> 02:01:35,439
Speaker 3: I was I was gonna bring that up of like,

2496
02:01:35,439 --> 02:01:37,840
like Eric mentioned, and I know you weren't saying everyone

2497
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:40,079
in the world's playing this game. You mentioned Fantasy Star.

2498
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 2: What for, Hey, everybody in the world should be playing

2499
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,680
Fantasy Star for it, like we are, just we'd be

2500
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:48,520
a better world for it. Just the thing that like

2501
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:52,640
I do see that, like if like I'm always someone

2502
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,760
that's liked going back and being like, oh, these are

2503
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:56,760
games that came out before my time, before I was born,

2504
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,560
in the older era whatever. I think there is a

2505
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:01,760
type of person that's interested in that.

2506
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 3: I also think there's a lot of like kids or

2507
02:02:04,079 --> 02:02:06,560
younger people that would play a switch and would not

2508
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:10,399
see the appeal necessarily of some of these older games.

2509
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,119
But also like kids aren't really subscribing to stuff a

2510
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:18,079
lot of the time it's it's I feel like a

2511
02:02:18,079 --> 02:02:20,720
lot more specific instances where maybe if it was a

2512
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,840
family plan, I guess a kid might have access to it,

2513
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,039
but they would want it more for other stuff.

2514
02:02:26,079 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 2: I would guess if they're busy playing roadblocks. Let's be

2515
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:30,600
honest with ourselves, they're.

2516
02:02:30,359 --> 02:02:35,239
Speaker 3: Busy playing roadblocks. Okay, at game at this point, that's

2517
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,000
that's that's a take that's too hot for us to

2518
02:02:38,079 --> 02:02:43,319
do a single second half wild, You're kind of something

2519
02:02:44,199 --> 02:02:47,680
the I'm gonna do a bit of a rundown of

2520
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:50,840
like some other platform other subscription services I know of

2521
02:02:51,079 --> 02:02:53,079
that I don't necessarily know if we're paying for, but

2522
02:02:53,119 --> 02:02:54,680
I do want to just at the end go around

2523
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:59,039
and just say, like other other gaming like regular expenses

2524
02:02:59,079 --> 02:03:01,239
that you pay for, whether you think they're worth it

2525
02:03:01,319 --> 02:03:02,880
or you feel like you're getting ripped off, but it's

2526
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,560
like I gotta, you know, the kind of thing of

2527
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,399
like I need to pay for it to play online

2528
02:03:06,479 --> 02:03:11,199
or whatever. Apple Arcade is something I think I have.

2529
02:03:11,479 --> 02:03:13,920
I think you can buy it, and it like shares

2530
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:17,600
with like your family plan on Apple. It's not something

2531
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:20,039
I use all that often, but it's something that I

2532
02:03:20,119 --> 02:03:22,840
used a lot. I really actually that's not true. I

2533
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,720
love Grindstone. I play Grinds on Apple Arcade all the time.

2534
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:29,640
But that's if you got an Apple product iPhone, iPad.

2535
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:33,000
You got a lot of really good mobile games on there.

2536
02:03:33,039 --> 02:03:36,439
And it is a really nice, like modern version of

2537
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:39,039
There's a lot of like like Fruit Ninja Plus or

2538
02:03:39,079 --> 02:03:41,680
something where it's a game that existed for free as

2539
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:45,520
a kid, for me as a kid, existed for free,

2540
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:48,000
you know, a decade fifteen years ago, whenever it was

2541
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,800
that you could pay to remove ads, you could pay

2542
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,039
for like an upgraded version, or a lot of games

2543
02:03:55,079 --> 02:03:58,159
that were just have become laden with ads. The nice

2544
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,239
thing about Apple Arcade is it's like, this is the

2545
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:02,760
mobile game experience without the ads. It feels a lot

2546
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:05,079
less predatory. It feels like it's actually a game that

2547
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:08,920
you're supposed to play and enjoy. So I recommend it.

2548
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,680
I have it right now. I'm not a huge mobile

2549
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:12,680
gamer at the moment, but there's definitely periods of my

2550
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,239
life where I'm like, I couldn't imagine going without it.

2551
02:04:16,399 --> 02:04:19,920
There's also EA Play, which I've actually never heard of

2552
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,760
someone just subscribing to EA Play. I'm sure there are

2553
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:27,880
p person doesn't exist EA Play and like Ubisoft Plus

2554
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,680
are two examples of services that I'm like. They exist.

2555
02:04:31,079 --> 02:04:33,359
You can pay for the monthly, they get you a

2556
02:04:33,479 --> 02:04:37,119
very specific selection of games. I don't know who's paying

2557
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:39,079
for it. That is like like if you're such a

2558
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,560
diehard EA fan but you don't have the games that

2559
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:44,920
they would offer, or like.

2560
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 1: I think if you subscribe to Ubisoft Plus, the only

2561
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:51,159
people on your friends lift are just members of the

2562
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:52,119
gumb family.

2563
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah this is you. Please comment below, Please please say

2564
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:03,920
yeah of experience, every leave out, no detail. We we

2565
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:07,680
need to understand you better, we need to study you scientifically.

2566
02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:10,960
Speaker 1: I think if I had to guess, you're either on

2567
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:14,399
the EASA like a hardcore like I play Apex Legends

2568
02:05:14,479 --> 02:05:18,760
or something like that, or or like Madden or for Ubisoft,

2569
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:22,520
like man, I'm really into Rabo six Siege or like that.

2570
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,720
You know, but do you even need those services? The

2571
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:27,720
playoff games, so you know, that's a lot.

2572
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,720
Speaker 3: That's what's funny is it's not like they haven't built

2573
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:36,359
their model so like UBI. So Ubisoft has classics and

2574
02:05:36,479 --> 02:05:44,000
premium Classics is an evolving selection. This is of games

2575
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,359
on PC. I wonder if it is PC specific and

2576
02:05:46,399 --> 02:05:49,800
then standard editions and you get twenty percent discount on

2577
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,680
games included in your plan. So I guess if you're

2578
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:55,199
paying to like own a game that's in the subscription,

2579
02:05:55,279 --> 02:05:57,079
it's twenty percent off, which I think is a think

2580
02:05:57,079 --> 02:05:59,840
game Pass does, which is nice, I guess, but kind

2581
02:05:59,880 --> 02:06:01,680
of defeats the purpose of I don't know.

2582
02:06:02,479 --> 02:06:05,520
Speaker 2: These feel like services that somebody forgot to turn off

2583
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,000
because they were like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, every

2584
02:06:08,039 --> 02:06:10,600
once in a while, some money trickles in from that faucet,

2585
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:13,039
So why turn you know off, we.

2586
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:16,439
Speaker 1: Don't need to. It's like just leading open is in

2587
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,399
a break room and employee walks in and he's like, oh, hey,

2588
02:06:19,439 --> 02:06:20,960
what do you do here? And he's like, oh, I'm

2589
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,479
in charge of Ubisoft Plus. And he's just like like

2590
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:26,039
makes a mental note to shut that down and fire

2591
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:27,800
that person. Like you're gonna say.

2592
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 3: They're like, dude, we just closed a different studio.

2593
02:06:31,039 --> 02:06:34,600
Speaker 1: I totally forgot. We could have destroyed the surface.

2594
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2595
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,359
Speaker 3: No, whoever you are that works on that, you deserve

2596
02:06:38,399 --> 02:06:40,920
to keep your job, yes, order to be transferred to else.

2597
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:42,439
I don't I don't want to make jokes about laying

2598
02:06:42,479 --> 02:06:45,159
people off because I literally wrote up a layof story

2599
02:06:45,159 --> 02:06:45,760
about you was.

2600
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:47,439
Speaker 1: Off today, we have been laid off. We know what

2601
02:06:47,439 --> 02:06:48,239
it's like. We're talking.

2602
02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, the premium is eighteen dollars a month and

2603
02:06:54,039 --> 02:06:57,880
includes day one releases of hot new Ubisoft games, which

2604
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:04,239
again is a thing like you know, you know you

2605
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:14,720
you know, you know, how you take. I was gonna say, uh,

2606
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:16,359
I was gonna say just Dance, but I do think

2607
02:07:16,479 --> 02:07:19,039
Just Dance has transitioned into a live service model.

2608
02:07:19,159 --> 02:07:23,000
Speaker 2: Live service model, yeah, take access to the Assassin's Creed

2609
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,239
Shadows came out last year.

2610
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:25,239
Speaker 1: It did come out.

2611
02:07:25,279 --> 02:07:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean, there's Star Wars, Outlaws, Avatar, Frontiers of Pandora,

2612
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:30,319
Like there are games.

2613
02:07:30,359 --> 02:07:33,079
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people playing that Avatar game right now. Yeah,

2614
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:34,960
but it's also the new movie and they're like, we

2615
02:07:35,039 --> 02:07:37,920
got to play some some Avatar a person now.

2616
02:07:38,279 --> 02:07:40,239
Speaker 3: But but it's like, did you need to pay eighteen

2617
02:07:40,279 --> 02:07:41,600
dollars a month to maybe?

2618
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:42,239
Speaker 2: Probably not?

2619
02:07:42,399 --> 02:07:48,279
Speaker 3: No, now, just talking about other subscriptions we pay for. Personally,

2620
02:07:48,359 --> 02:07:50,960
I'm curious of the things people mentioned, the comments of

2621
02:07:51,079 --> 02:07:54,000
if you pay for EA play pluss, just in general,

2622
02:07:54,199 --> 02:07:56,199
things that you pay for what you think is worth it,

2623
02:07:56,319 --> 02:07:58,039
or used to be worth it. It isn't anymore or

2624
02:07:58,119 --> 02:08:02,039
vice versa. It's not a video game per se.

2625
02:08:02,119 --> 02:08:02,800
Speaker 2: But I did want to.

2626
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:06,279
Speaker 3: Say I do subscribe to the d D Beyond Master

2627
02:08:06,439 --> 02:08:12,359
Tier Dungeons and Dragons Online tool set. It is just

2628
02:08:12,479 --> 02:08:14,920
easier and a lot of aspect, especially when I'm teaching

2629
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,920
newer people how to play, to just be like, here

2630
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,319
is a service. You click the buttons instead of having

2631
02:08:20,399 --> 02:08:22,399
to read and understand what to write in what box.

2632
02:08:23,079 --> 02:08:25,079
I appreciate that it streamlines it a lot. And the

2633
02:08:25,119 --> 02:08:28,000
Master Tier I can like share the content that I

2634
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:32,479
bought or own digitally. I can share that with everyone

2635
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:34,720
else in my campaign. So if someone wants like a

2636
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:36,880
subclass or a weird book they don't have, then they

2637
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:40,520
don't have to go buy it themselves. So I have

2638
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,840
the Master Tier. I think the Hero Tier is cheaper.

2639
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:45,920
It's like six dollars a month or something like that.

2640
02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:49,640
I should know exactly. Yeah, six dollars plus tax, which

2641
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:51,760
is pretty good. It's not that expensive. You still have

2642
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,239
to bay for all the books and stuff, which is

2643
02:08:53,279 --> 02:08:55,439
what sucks. But once you own them, I'm just paying

2644
02:08:55,479 --> 02:08:59,319
to share them, which is fine. And that's really the

2645
02:08:59,359 --> 02:09:01,800
only thing top of my head every time lately. The

2646
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:04,119
reason I came up with this is I'll be like, oh, shoot,

2647
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:05,760
I am still paying for that thing. I don't want

2648
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:07,319
to be paying for that, and then I forget to

2649
02:09:07,359 --> 02:09:11,319
cancel it. What about you, guys, what are the subscription

2650
02:09:11,439 --> 02:09:14,800
this Gull's be like a battle pass or you know,

2651
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:18,560
an MMO subscription, just things you're paying for regularly in

2652
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:20,800
your your gaming life.

2653
02:09:22,119 --> 02:09:26,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mentioned before, I still pay for Final Fantasy fourteen.

2654
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:30,720
I started playing it in COVID. Actually it was around

2655
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:33,520
the time that n Walker dropped, if I remember, because

2656
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:36,359
I was trying to sneak onto the servers to play

2657
02:09:36,359 --> 02:09:40,079
a Realm Raborn while the fifth X wait Heavens words

2658
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:45,159
is yeah, I guess technically fourth, but fifth like expansion

2659
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,680
was out for a video game and everybody was logging

2660
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:50,520
on to play it, and I was like, I'm playing

2661
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:54,880
Realm Reborn and fighting the cues for that, but I

2662
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,279
subed to it. I've kept my sub the entire time.

2663
02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:00,359
I haven't let it labs. I've been paying for it

2664
02:10:00,399 --> 02:10:03,800
myself the entire time, mostly because I really like just

2665
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,239
being able to log on and play whenever I want to,

2666
02:10:07,399 --> 02:10:10,359
and also like I play a lot of different aspects

2667
02:10:10,399 --> 02:10:14,359
of that game. So Triple Triad is on there, gathering, hunting,

2668
02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:16,640
stuff like that is all on there, and it's like

2669
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:19,680
a very relaxing game for me. It's like a very

2670
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:23,000
soothing game, especially because it has different stuff that you

2671
02:10:23,039 --> 02:10:25,000
can do that's not just going to do raids and

2672
02:10:25,039 --> 02:10:27,159
things like that. It's kind of what I boot up

2673
02:10:27,159 --> 02:10:28,439
when I don't really know what I want to play.

2674
02:10:28,479 --> 02:10:30,279
I just want to like poke away at something or

2675
02:10:30,319 --> 02:10:33,359
take something off a checklist or whatever. And I just

2676
02:10:33,439 --> 02:10:36,840
I love fourteen. It's such a good game. I can't

2677
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:40,279
recommend it enough. The free trial is fantastic. I won't

2678
02:10:40,279 --> 02:10:44,880
do the whole meme the sales pitch, but other stuff

2679
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:48,800
I used to I mean I used to spend a

2680
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:51,119
lot more money when it came to things like cosmetics

2681
02:10:51,279 --> 02:10:53,079
in games that I played, so do to two League

2682
02:10:53,079 --> 02:10:55,640
of Legends stuff like that. I would buy skins and

2683
02:10:55,680 --> 02:11:00,239
that wasn't necessarily buying the like Now they do have

2684
02:11:00,279 --> 02:11:05,359
battle passes alongside the skins that they sell, and usually

2685
02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:08,479
in a game, what I will do is if a

2686
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,039
game has something in a battle pass that I want,

2687
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:13,079
I like that. Games are doing this now they will

2688
02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:16,079
let you earn progress on the Battle Pass, and then

2689
02:11:16,119 --> 02:11:18,199
once you hit the like you can hit the level

2690
02:11:18,199 --> 02:11:20,039
that you would get it at, and then you buy

2691
02:11:20,039 --> 02:11:21,680
the Battle Pass, you get everything that you would have

2692
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,319
unlocked if you had been a Premium member in that time.

2693
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,560
And I know that that's kind of a carrot and

2694
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,319
stick situation, but I like it because it means that

2695
02:11:30,399 --> 02:11:32,359
I can play a game and it lets me kind

2696
02:11:32,359 --> 02:11:34,239
of meeter myself to say, Okay, if I really would

2697
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,920
have put in the time an investment to get the thing,

2698
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,479
if it really mattered that much to me, then I

2699
02:11:39,479 --> 02:11:42,399
can get there and buy the pass when I want it,

2700
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:45,119
get the skin, feel good about myself, move on with

2701
02:11:45,159 --> 02:11:47,279
my life. Or like, if I never got there, then

2702
02:11:47,279 --> 02:11:48,760
it really didn't matter that much to me at the

2703
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:49,960
end of the day, and I can just move on

2704
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:53,960
and not have spent the money. So I've bought like

2705
02:11:54,039 --> 02:11:56,159
a Fortnite Pass or two here or there. I don't

2706
02:11:56,159 --> 02:11:58,840
think I've bought a Legal Legends Pass yet, but the

2707
02:11:58,920 --> 02:12:01,000
new season was kind of tempting me. But again, I'm

2708
02:12:01,039 --> 02:12:02,840
waiting to see if I actually get there or not.

2709
02:12:03,279 --> 02:12:05,119
I almost did that with the Dot to two pass

2710
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:08,319
over the holidays. Then I was like, once I got

2711
02:12:08,359 --> 02:12:10,039
the base levels of the sets, I was like, I

2712
02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:12,119
don't really want any more of these, so I'm not

2713
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:15,319
gonna pay money for them, And that was I like

2714
02:12:15,439 --> 02:12:17,600
that method. It feels like a good balance of like

2715
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:20,479
I don't love battle passes, but at least now there's

2716
02:12:20,520 --> 02:12:22,439
a better way to meter it out for myself to

2717
02:12:22,479 --> 02:12:25,920
where I don't feel like I'm then like dedicating myself

2718
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:28,000
to getting my money's worth out of it after I've

2719
02:12:28,039 --> 02:12:28,439
bought it.

2720
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like that a lot. I think I

2721
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:35,880
think there is a an element where they're they're trying

2722
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,560
to use fomo of like, well, if you had the

2723
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:40,319
battle pass, you'd have unlocked all these things. But I

2724
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,199
really like the way you are using like that that

2725
02:12:43,239 --> 02:12:45,560
mindset of it, of like I'll buy it when I

2726
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:46,920
get to the thing that I actually want, which I

2727
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:48,159
think is totally valid.

2728
02:12:48,199 --> 02:12:49,399
Speaker 2: And then if I didn't get there, I didn't really

2729
02:12:49,399 --> 02:12:51,720
want it that bad. Like that happened with the Simpsons

2730
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:54,359
Fortnite season where I was like, Oh, this battle pass

2731
02:12:54,399 --> 02:12:56,319
is so sick. There's all these Simpsons characters in it,

2732
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:58,159
and then I didn't get very far in the battle

2733
02:12:58,199 --> 02:13:00,840
pass that season, and I was like, oh, well, it

2734
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:03,119
would be cool to have that stuff available to me,

2735
02:13:03,199 --> 02:13:05,399
But I guess it really didn't matter if I didn't

2736
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:08,479
feel the need to grind for it, whereas I felt

2737
02:13:08,479 --> 02:13:10,880
the need to grind for other stuff in other games before.

2738
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,399
But it does end up meaning that I spend less

2739
02:13:13,399 --> 02:13:16,640
money overall because I'm not feeling that need to do

2740
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:17,239
that stuff.

2741
02:13:18,199 --> 02:13:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. I have in the past paid for

2742
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:22,680
Fortnite Crew when I was playing that game really regularly,

2743
02:13:23,039 --> 02:13:26,039
and I have paid for I bought a few Marvel

2744
02:13:26,119 --> 02:13:28,359
Rivals Battle passes, but I have I haven't been playing

2745
02:13:28,359 --> 02:13:30,279
that game as intensely as I was like a year ago.

2746
02:13:30,479 --> 02:13:34,960
But yeah, but what about you, Marcus, Yeah.

2747
02:13:34,760 --> 02:13:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm pretty straightforward. I really only pay for like the

2748
02:13:40,439 --> 02:13:45,640
three console maker subscriptions so like game pass ps plus

2749
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:49,520
Nintendo Online, regardless of whether or not they are provided

2750
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:52,159
to me by the console maker. I was paying for

2751
02:13:52,199 --> 02:13:55,520
them before that, and a lot of it. Again, do job.

2752
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:57,359
Like I mentioned before, it is a great excuse to

2753
02:13:57,359 --> 02:13:58,960
be like, well, I mean, you know, I might have

2754
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:00,920
to play something online. It's just good to I always

2755
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,840
have this going even though I'm not, like I'm not

2756
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:07,439
the biggest online multiplayer guy, especially a competitive multiplayer like

2757
02:14:07,479 --> 02:14:10,239
if I do play online, it's like in a cooperative sense,

2758
02:14:10,399 --> 02:14:11,720
like oh me and my body are gonna run through

2759
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:15,760
this game together. So and then even then it's like

2760
02:14:16,039 --> 02:14:18,479
the lowest Well, I guess that's not true either, Like

2761
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:20,680
for PlayStation it's the lowest tier, like the essential tier.

2762
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:24,319
I have no desire to upgrade above it. Nintendo I

2763
02:14:24,359 --> 02:14:26,760
paid for an expansion pack where I would because I

2764
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:30,319
want that full library, and it's also it's still cheaper,

2765
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:33,960
a lot cheaper than a lot of other annual subs.

2766
02:14:34,199 --> 02:14:37,119
And then for game Pass, if I was not, if

2767
02:14:37,159 --> 02:14:39,359
it had not been paid for me by Microsoft, I

2768
02:14:39,399 --> 02:14:41,840
would probably bump it down a tier or two just

2769
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:43,680
because it's like, well, I don't need access to the

2770
02:14:43,720 --> 02:14:48,840
full libraries. I don't assess it that much again because

2771
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:51,520
of just my gaming habits as a result of this job,

2772
02:14:52,039 --> 02:14:54,680
but I do, like I just need to have access

2773
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:56,520
to online, like I need to be able to play

2774
02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:58,199
online in my Xbox, so I can do that with

2775
02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:02,560
like the lowest tier. Other than that, I don't I

2776
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:05,319
have an Android, so I don't have Apple Arcade or

2777
02:15:05,359 --> 02:15:09,199
Apple anything. I Since I don't play competitive multiplayer games,

2778
02:15:09,239 --> 02:15:13,039
I don't do battle pass stuff. Ever. The only live

2779
02:15:13,359 --> 02:15:16,239
game I keep up with is Yu gi Oh Masterdool

2780
02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:19,279
and then as soon to be four years since that

2781
02:15:19,319 --> 02:15:23,800
game's been out, I have paid real money twice. Like

2782
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,520
that game is actually quite good about if you play

2783
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:30,279
often enough, you will earn the the in game currency

2784
02:15:30,439 --> 02:15:34,239
just through playing, to where like I've just used every

2785
02:15:34,279 --> 02:15:36,960
gym that I've earned to buy the in game battle

2786
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:39,600
pass has just been earned in game, and there's only

2787
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:42,000
been two instances that I was like, oh, I need

2788
02:15:42,039 --> 02:15:44,279
more gyms to get these cars that I really want,

2789
02:15:44,319 --> 02:15:45,720
and I don't want to open pack for them, so

2790
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:48,479
I'll give them like five bucks. And I kind of

2791
02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:50,199
treated like a tip of like, well, I've been playing

2792
02:15:50,319 --> 02:15:52,479
like three years with this game for free. I think

2793
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:57,159
I can afford to give them five bucks. And Fortnite,

2794
02:15:57,279 --> 02:15:59,800
I have paid money for Fortnite someone that I don't.

2795
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:02,279
I play Fortnite super infrequently. It's like once in a

2796
02:16:02,319 --> 02:16:04,840
blue man where like either friends are like, hey, we're

2797
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:06,359
all getting in, do you want to play? And I'm

2798
02:16:06,399 --> 02:16:08,439
like sure, like if I'm invited, or if it's like

2799
02:16:08,479 --> 02:16:10,039
in a case of the Simpsons, event are like okay,

2800
02:16:10,039 --> 02:16:12,159
that's too cool for me to ignore, because that's that's

2801
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:16,119
like a specific interest or like thing that I like.

2802
02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:18,720
Like the dragon Ball thing was the other instance, were like,

2803
02:16:19,079 --> 02:16:21,840
I gotta get there. I love dragon Ball. And then

2804
02:16:22,199 --> 02:16:24,760
I bought the only skins I've ever bought in Fortnite,

2805
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:26,439
because I've never bought a battle pack. I don't play

2806
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:28,119
like that, but I bought like a Spider Man skin

2807
02:16:28,359 --> 02:16:30,880
a couple of years ago. And then I bought the

2808
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:32,280
K Pop Demon Hunter's pack.

2809
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.

2810
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:37,360
Speaker 1: Because my my girlfriend who also is like obsessed with

2811
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:40,239
K Pop Demon Hunters but has never played Fortnite, I

2812
02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:42,120
told her, like, they're in the game, wouldn't it be

2813
02:16:42,159 --> 02:16:45,639
fun if we, like, like, as an excuse to play Fortnite,

2814
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:48,120
just play at the K Pop Demon Hunters. And then

2815
02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:49,799
it was right when the Simpsons event started, so we

2816
02:16:49,879 --> 02:16:52,200
got the double whammye of like, oh Simpsons, and we're

2817
02:16:52,239 --> 02:16:56,319
both like, I'm roomy and you're the other one, the

2818
02:16:56,479 --> 02:16:57,000
other one.

2819
02:16:57,280 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 3: Do you play.

2820
02:16:59,799 --> 02:17:02,440
Speaker 1: I or at least I did in that one in

2821
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:05,159
our matches, I don't care about I'll be any of them.

2822
02:17:05,719 --> 02:17:10,799
Think she picked Zoe the Rapper, Yes, yeah, Zoe yea.

2823
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:14,760
So I was like I'll be Wait, what's the other

2824
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:15,440
one's name again?

2825
02:17:15,559 --> 02:17:21,399
Speaker 2: Mira, Yeah, Mira. Okay, Look I've seen this movie twice

2826
02:17:21,440 --> 02:17:24,479
of my own volition and three more times not of

2827
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,120
my own volition, so I know more.

2828
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:29,559
Speaker 1: About this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, I've only

2829
02:17:29,559 --> 02:17:32,399
seen it once. I'm a fake gamer boy.

2830
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:36,360
Speaker 3: You're not cut up on the lore for Fortnite?

2831
02:17:37,159 --> 02:17:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I'm on the springfield. I was like, oh, yeah,

2832
02:17:40,799 --> 02:17:44,200
I know that I'm Simpsons fan, but yeah, that is

2833
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:46,200
to say, like, yeah, I don't really do battle passes.

2834
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:47,879
I just because I know myself well enough, Like I

2835
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,239
don't play in multiplayer games like that, even ones that

2836
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:52,760
I like stick with for like a period of time,

2837
02:17:52,799 --> 02:17:55,520
Like when Halo Infinite came out, I was playing that

2838
02:17:55,680 --> 02:17:58,959
with friends online pretty regularly, but I still know its like, well,

2839
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,920
the free battle passes enough for like my pace, Like

2840
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:04,360
I would even finish the free battle pass, so why

2841
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:06,079
would I think I would finish the pay.

2842
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:10,680
Speaker 2: Halo Infinite had the best battle pass system. It is

2843
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:13,680
legitimately like the best system I've ever seen where you

2844
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,479
just pick your pass. I think hell Divers actually does

2845
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:19,000
this too, where you do have to buy into the pass,

2846
02:18:19,399 --> 02:18:23,440
but then you just gain progress on whatever pass you

2847
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,719
have opted into. It's not they have seasonal ones they add,

2848
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:28,959
but then you can go back and choose other passes

2849
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:32,280
and build up through those, And I think that model

2850
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:35,239
is the best model. It completely does a way like

2851
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:37,319
That's the major thing I don't like about Fortnite is

2852
02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:41,879
that there's so much FOMO baked into it, and same

2853
02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:44,079
with other games like Legal Legends does the same thing.

2854
02:18:44,239 --> 02:18:46,360
Or they move things into legacy stuff that you then

2855
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:49,879
have to find other avenues through their monetization system to

2856
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,559
get that stuff out. And I like that those games

2857
02:18:53,639 --> 02:18:55,479
were just like, hey, we're gonna give you a pass

2858
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:57,719
and you just get progress when you play the game.

2859
02:18:57,719 --> 02:19:01,120
You get capital p progress on anything you want whenever

2860
02:19:01,159 --> 02:19:04,399
you have chosen that you want as as your progression track,

2861
02:19:04,879 --> 02:19:09,719
and god, it made me like those games more like

2862
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:12,959
outside their actual games themselves, I enjoyed being in their

2863
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:15,760
ecosystems more than I enjoy being in the ecosystem of

2864
02:19:15,799 --> 02:19:18,120
something like a Fortnite.

2865
02:19:18,360 --> 02:19:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's that's solid throw money

2866
02:19:21,399 --> 02:19:22,280
yet Yeah.

2867
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:28,719
Speaker 3: I think my main takeaways from this is, uh, there's

2868
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:33,040
there's not a lot. We're super enthusiastic about paying for

2869
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:36,479
Maybe I'm projecting on this who here.

2870
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:40,600
Speaker 2: Is excited to spend money exactly exactly I mean, I

2871
02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:43,120
would say, you're you're enthusiastic about like Nintendo Switch online,

2872
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,040
for example, where it's a thing where it's like the

2873
02:19:45,719 --> 02:19:47,840
it feels like it's worth the cost of the thing.

2874
02:19:48,079 --> 02:19:49,920
Speaker 3: But I think, in a lot of instances a thing

2875
02:19:49,959 --> 02:19:52,840
that's interesting. And I know that this is all on purpose,

2876
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:55,879
But like in a lot of instances, if I could

2877
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:58,879
pick the things I want and get rid of the

2878
02:19:58,879 --> 02:20:01,319
stuff I don't want and just pay for like the

2879
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:05,760
specific stuff I'm actually there for, I would I would

2880
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:09,079
feel more respected. Not that they're trying to respect me,

2881
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,360
they're just trying to get my money, and I know that,

2882
02:20:12,799 --> 02:20:15,319
but I uh, for example, like Ninten Switch thing, I

2883
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:17,680
would have loved to just buy fire and lom Path

2884
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:19,840
of Radiance. I don't love the idea that one day

2885
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:23,000
they'll take it down, or my subscription might lapse, or

2886
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:26,360
there'll be a new new console that's not compatible with

2887
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:28,879
the Switch stuff, and then you know, I have to

2888
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:30,680
buy it a new time, or there's a new subscription

2889
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:34,879
or whatever. So I don't love the way of it,

2890
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:37,559
and I I'm going to try to be more I

2891
02:20:37,559 --> 02:20:39,680
think proactive about canceling stuff. And I don't need it,

2892
02:20:39,719 --> 02:20:42,440
but it is just an interesting and interesting state of

2893
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:45,639
the world of gaming right now. There's a lot of

2894
02:20:45,639 --> 02:20:48,920
ways to spend money, and it's easy to lose track

2895
02:20:48,959 --> 02:20:52,440
of the ways you are. If you're like a serious, dedicated.

2896
02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:55,879
Speaker 1: Gamer, yes please, I think it's always important to take

2897
02:20:55,879 --> 02:20:58,239
a hard look at yourself. Check your budget every month.

2898
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:01,440
I have aver for it. Monthly, I will review my

2899
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:03,239
subs and go, like, what do I actually need? Am

2900
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:05,000
I using Netflix right now? I'm I using that. I'm

2901
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:08,120
gonna cut it all right, be honest with yourself when

2902
02:21:08,159 --> 02:21:10,040
it comes to this stuff, because gaming is already an

2903
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:13,760
expensive hobby without the subside to it. So like, you know,

2904
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:15,360
keep as much money in your pocket as you can,

2905
02:21:15,440 --> 02:21:20,639
and remember these companies don't respect you, like no respect

2906
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:20,920
for you.

2907
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:26,840
Speaker 3: I'm rock song about gaming subscriptions.

2908
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:29,799
Speaker 2: That is, I will say, like, that's the reason one

2909
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:31,760
of the reasons why I've kept my fourteen sub is

2910
02:21:31,799 --> 02:21:34,760
I feel like that's at least very upfront and honest

2911
02:21:34,799 --> 02:21:37,399
of saying you pay us for the expansions because we

2912
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:39,920
spend a lot of dev time making the expansions, and

2913
02:21:39,959 --> 02:21:42,920
then you pay us a monthly fee because there's a

2914
02:21:42,920 --> 02:21:44,959
ton of work and keeping an MMO up and running

2915
02:21:44,959 --> 02:21:47,719
an updated throughout the year. That is the money you

2916
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,159
have to spend to play our game. That is the

2917
02:21:50,239 --> 02:21:54,159
deal we are making that, you know. Whereas other things

2918
02:21:54,239 --> 02:21:58,200
obfuscate so much, they put so much behind tiers, behind

2919
02:21:58,239 --> 02:22:00,399
feeling like oh I'm getting this, but I could be

2920
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:02,639
getting a better value here, I could be doing something else.

2921
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:04,159
I really do enjoy it more when it's just like,

2922
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:07,440
here's the transaction we are making. We are a business.

2923
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,879
You are the consumer. Would you like this?

2924
02:22:10,200 --> 02:22:10,639
Speaker 1: Yes? Or no?

2925
02:22:10,719 --> 02:22:13,600
Speaker 2: And I feel much more comfortable making that value exchange

2926
02:22:13,639 --> 02:22:15,719
than playing the whole like, well, am I getting my

2927
02:22:15,799 --> 02:22:17,959
money's worth out of this that I have to do

2928
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:18,760
with other things?

2929
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well awesome. Thank you Charles for that, for that

2930
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:27,000
discussion and topic, it was awesome, And thank you for

2931
02:22:27,159 --> 02:22:28,920
listening to the Game and Former show. We will be

2932
02:22:28,959 --> 02:22:33,079
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02:22:52,559 --> 02:22:56,239
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2941
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2942
02:23:03,959 --> 02:23:07,799
which stores, like which exact stores in each country they

2943
02:23:07,879 --> 02:23:10,200
are in yet. We're sort of like learning that information

2944
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:14,280
just anecdotically, but we will update you once we get

2945
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:16,360
kind of like a confirmed list of like here is

2946
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:19,760
the store in that in that the magazine will be

2947
02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:23,079
up here in in this specific country. But we have

2948
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,159
been seeing them mount in the wild in different parts

2949
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:29,000
of the world, which has been cool. Switch stock or

2950
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:32,680
Twitch follows some Twitch. We've got two weekly streams. We

2951
02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:37,120
have a Wednesday stream usually streaming the latest and greatest releases,

2952
02:23:37,559 --> 02:23:42,040
and every Friday we have our super replay series. Last week,

2953
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,040
Charles and I embarked on a new super replay series,

2954
02:23:45,079 --> 02:23:48,360
playing the entirety of Sonic in the Black Night, and

2955
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:52,239
dare I say We're probably gonna finish the game this

2956
02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:54,719
week because it's really short.

2957
02:23:54,879 --> 02:23:58,319
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how short it was. I think I

2958
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:00,920
think there's a and I'm might be making this up.

2959
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:03,239
I think there's a semblance of a new game plus

2960
02:24:03,319 --> 02:24:05,440
or there's ways to go back and really, you know,

2961
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:07,959
unlock all this stuff. So maybe if I'm like, if

2962
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:09,600
we finish it, and I'm like, this wouldn't be that

2963
02:24:09,639 --> 02:24:11,399
hard one hundred percent, maybe we do like a third

2964
02:24:11,399 --> 02:24:12,360
episode or something.

2965
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, just keep.

2966
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:18,840
Speaker 2: Saying it over and over again, get new stuff.

2967
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:21,479
Speaker 1: That's what it's called super replay. Just keep playing the same.

2968
02:24:22,079 --> 02:24:27,280
Speaker 3: Honestly, the game is as good as I remembered, which

2969
02:24:27,319 --> 02:24:30,319
is to say I've I remember thinking it was janky

2970
02:24:30,399 --> 02:24:33,319
and weirdly hard, but thinking it was so cool, And honestly,

2971
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:36,079
I'm still like, this game has sauce. Man, I keep

2972
02:24:36,639 --> 02:24:38,920
all the aesthetic decisions. I'm such a big fan of

2973
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,000
It's so weird and I love it.

2974
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:44,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a passenger that this is their first real

2975
02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:46,719
exposure to this, I'm like, man, this is this looks awful,

2976
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:48,280
but I love it.

2977
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not playing this video game myself.

2978
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:57,600
Speaker 1: It's fun. He has a sword. You guys are allergic

2979
02:24:57,719 --> 02:25:01,639
talk joy and fantasy. You didn't want me talking so

2980
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,319
like a snburn.

2981
02:25:02,920 --> 02:25:05,760
Speaker 3: Has eyes and a British accent, of course.

2982
02:25:06,079 --> 02:25:13,680
Speaker 1: Of course, whether or not he's a knave. Yeah, yeah,

2983
02:25:13,719 --> 02:25:14,719
that's what you want, right.

2984
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 2: Eric, Yeah, yeah, you got Grimore vice from near but

2985
02:25:18,079 --> 02:25:20,719
it's a sword now and it's talking the Hedgehog.

2986
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:25,959
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, kind of is actually yeah crazy, so yeah,

2987
02:25:26,079 --> 02:25:28,239
tune in. It's Friday for what could very well be

2988
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:32,040
the conclusion of Oursanic and a Black Knight Secret Replay,

2989
02:25:32,079 --> 02:25:35,879
our secret replay, Super Replay. We should start that series

2990
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:36,799
secret we started.

2991
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 3: We don't tell people when we start streaming.

2992
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get no viewers.

2993
02:25:41,840 --> 02:25:44,120
Speaker 1: It's the valves deadlock of super Replay.

2994
02:25:44,680 --> 02:25:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, unlisted YouTube links.

2995
02:25:49,399 --> 02:25:52,559
Speaker 3: I guess the characters.

2996
02:25:52,600 --> 02:25:55,360
Speaker 2: This is a bit that could evolve. We could do

2997
02:25:55,440 --> 02:25:56,040
something with this.

2998
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:59,680
Speaker 1: You can follow us on social media. I'm at Marcus

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3005
02:26:20,879 --> 02:26:23,440
Game and Former Show. Until then, hope you have a

3006
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wonderful weekend. Bye.