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months now on a on a health journey. Right this
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getting through the conspiracies and the the the bull of
some some of the stuff that involved in our medical
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So without further ado, we're gonna jump into it right now.
We have a left Yes, once again, we have lyft Off.
I want to thank you guys for tuning into this
episode of the Big Truth Podcast and I'm stoked to
have my man Christian Jodanov here with me today. He's
a functional health practitioner, and he's a guy I've been
working with for the last few months. I know you
if you follow me on Instagram, you've seen some some
updates here and there. I've been loath to give any
full updates until I'm until I'm kind of a little
further along in the course, but I can tell you
progress has been fucking great. Feel better than I ever
have in a long time, and dropping weight and uh
and uh and making gains and uh and killing it
because of my boy here, Christian. Christian, what's up, man?
I know you're you're in Europe. I'm looking here at
the snow and everything, and you're probably on a nice
sunny day on the Are you on the coast in Portugal?
Speaker 3: I'm on the coast. Yeah, it's it's pretty cold, but like, uh,
for Portugal standards, it's cold, but like you'd probably laughs.
I don't know what it is in fahrenheit, but it's yeah,
it's pretty good. It's pretty mild. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Christian is an author, a functional health practitioner, a researcher,
a podcaster, and and and you know, he offers a
program that that helps people get healthy and live longer.
I mean really, so you know, why don't you give
people a little bit of background on yourself and where
they can find you and everything, and then we'll just
jump into it because I know, we got a call
coming up in a in like an hour or so,
so yeah, let's just jump let's just get down. But
let's just get down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would love to. Yeah, thank and thank you so
much for having me on. It's a great pleasure. Yeah.
So just the short story is basically, in my kind
of late teens and throughout my twenties, I was just
really just living terribly like smoking, drinking drugs, just looking
to party, like zero sort of self responsibility. And just
about when I hit thirty, then I met my now
life at the time, which is about ten years ago
now at this point, and she had a lot of
health problems. In that first year that we were together.
She was put on antibiotics four times, she developed you know, thrush,
and they put her on birth control for that. So
it's like, what the hell, what the hell is going on?
Like these people are like monkey like monkeys could probably
do a better job helping her out, you know. And
at the same time, my grandmother was in her last
kind of years and all the suffering, like the last
five especially five years of her life, but just the
last a couple of decades of her life was just
pure pain, suffering, torture operations, drugs, drugs, drugs, and just
really I saw how horrible her quality of life was.
So I just had a little bit of a wake
up called that time. I'm like hot digity, Like if
I don't get my shit together, I won't even last
into my eighties, like like fifty, and I'll be like deteriorying,
you know. So that's when I really started to kind
of get onto the the health piece, and it just
very quickly turned into an obsession. And then I very
quickly found out why I was always in throughout my life,
fleeting from subject to different subjects. I had a lot
of different interests, but I never stuck with anything. It's
because I haven't found my calling yet. And I at
that point that's when I realized, you know, this is
actually not only do I have to do this for
me professionally so that I can stay on the straight
and narrow, but I need to pay it forward what
I've learned. And yeah, it's it's been it's been an
amazing journey getting to work with you know, guys like you.
It's such a especially guys and gals from the Truth community,
you know, the Freedom community, because these are my favorite
people to support, because these are the people I want
to be as healthy as possible.
Speaker 2: You need these you need these people around for when
when something goes down.
Speaker 3: I need these people to be really feeling well and healthy.
Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, I feel like it's getting crazier
by the day out there, but so so you kind
of like you got into things on ut out of necessity,
Like you know what I mean, Like you you had
some health stuff going on your your your your your
girlfriend or fiance or you know, your girl at the time,
but before you're married.
Speaker 3: We just met there, yeah, and then you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: And family and stuff. How did you go about like
how did you go about? You know, so many people
are just caught in the grind of like you go
to you go to your primary care and you you know,
and then they just refer you to a specialist and
you get on meds and you do this. Like how
did you break out of that cycle? And like where
did you start looking for information or how did you
become how did you get into like, and I might
be jumping around here, then, like, how did you go
from doing your own research to getting into like becoming
a full functional health you know, practitioner and and and
and coach you know, or a mentor or whatever whatever
word you want to say, a teacher, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the first thing I did, of course, that
as I'm sure most uh most of the listeners will do,
is like I started listening to podcasts. You know, I
had just discovered podcasts in the time. And the unfortunate
thing there is the big sort of the big dogs
that many of us, you know, you're either your mainstream
or you kind of your next avenue is still alternative mainstream,
which is still in hindsight now that I know what
I know, it's still pretty like it's pretty bad, I
have to say, you know. Just so I started listening
to like biohacking podcasts, and at the time it was
already older. Rage was Quito and fasting and utophogy was
kind of the big buzzword they had just kind of
uh in twenty those elves twenty eighteen. So back in
twenty sixteen they had actually awarded the Nobel prize to
some Japanese researcher that had kind of discovered elucidated some
of these atoplogy sort of mechanisms in the cells. And
so yeah, that's so I started listening, like, and man,
when I get into something like this is like my
wife kind of realized that when I get into something,
it's intense to like I was like literally ten twelve
hours a day podcast and of course books and and
those sorts of stuff, and so I started taking supplements
galor to it. I was taking like supplements because I
was always like into supplements back when I was in
my twenties out trained like go to the gym type boxing.
I did like a personal training sort of qualification back
in like almost twenty years ago. So it was like
taking supplements. I was like, I love pills, dude. I like, like,
you know, whether it's ecstasies and kind of little powers
and stuff or it's like supplement. It was just another
way for me to kind of like like kind of
throw stuff into my body, you know. And then as
I started doing that, then I started doing lap testing
on myself and I got deeper and deeper into it.
That's when I discovered some you know, some kind of
guys like Paul Check functional Diagnostic Nutrition. So that's when
I kind of like, well, I love course. Even though
I was like living pretty rough, I always like enjoyed
like eating and kind of educating myself and doing courses.
So I was like, I started doing these courses and
that's kind of how it started happening. And as my
wife's health improved, my health improved, that's when I kind
of realized, you know, this could turn into something. And
I remember back in twenty nineteen, that's when I kind
of finished my Functional Diagnostic Nutrition course where they taught
us how to use lab testing in a clinical setting.
And when I the day I graduated, the day I
kind of did my final exam, I remember, I immediately got
those guys to order a Stoo test for my mother,
who had been suffering with IBS for about thirteen years
up to that point, so from twenty seventeen to about
twenty nineteen h and I already knew I kind of
had a feeling what she has. You know, I thought
she had aged pilori, you know, he had to go
back to pylori. And we did that test, and I
was correct in my sort of you know, assumption, and
I helped her basically in a few months. She started
like it was rough. It was hard because you know
she was you know, in her like almost sixty. But
she got to the point so first she would like
write she would eat some food and she'd like write
in pain holding her stomach, or she'd have headaches pretty
much after every single meal. You know that that's kind
of the stage choos And it was horrific to eight
months later, when COVID hit in March twenty twenty, she
basically could eat raw garlic without any you know, discomfort.
So that's where we got her. And kind of that
was like one of the sort of instance. The first
instance is where I, you know, I helped someone other
than myself. And during that time, I was also writing
my book on autism, which I published in March twenty twenty,
and I started working with more with families with kids
on the spectrum. Then I started helping the moms because
they're like they were they needed more help than the
kids in many cases. And that's gradually how it kind
of and not here we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, and it's crazy, man, because I see it.
I don't know if it's because I've you know, know
I you know, I follow you, and you know, I
get stuff every day now for like functional health, like
trainings and this and that, and it's I feel like
it's something that's emerging, which can also be dangerous because
if people get into it and they don't they're not
as obsessed with it as you, then it could I
don't know, if you know, you know, there's different levels
of quality of people, you know what I mean, Like
and like you said, you get obsessed with stuff and
you're like putting ten twelve hours in a day of
reading and absorbing material, never mind just your course work,
just like outside of that. And you mentioned Paul Check
that dude's a beast. Paul Check is a beast, like
I used to I followed him before I but before
I knew about you. But for people that might not
kind of understand, let's let's dial it back, because like
for some people, this is going to be the first
time they've heard of like functional medicine or or functional health.
Why don't we just talk a little bit about what
that is and what it compromises and how it differs
from you know, what the care you might get just
going to a regular uh, you know, a primary care.
Because what I'll say is when I started training with you,
like literally, you spent more time with me in the
first two weeks we knew each other than the last
fifteen years of dealing with like my primary kids. Like
they give you like fifteen minutes that it's in an
alpa bang ba bang unless there's like a big issue,
Like you go so in depth and so deep and
you know, and you know with the testing and all
that stuff, So why don't you just kind of give
like a rundown of what this is and how it
might differ from you know, the care people are used
to getting, and you know what the benefits of everything is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you want to call that care,
oh yeah, exactly. Like sometimes I want to call it
not health care but a disease don't care because it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually just pharmaceutical dependency management. You know what
I mean. Let's let's keep you on this day for
as long as you make sure yeah stuff, and it's like, okay,
let's give you some more side effects, so we can
give you some more stuff to deal with those side effects.
Speaker 4: It's it's exactly I keep in mind, like, Okay, just
it's just crazy to me, like if at this point,
cause so cause so many people like and especially in
a post COVID world, if you don't see that pharmaceutical
companies have no incentive whatsoever to get you healthy.
Speaker 2: They want to keep you as a customer for as
long as they can, and if you're healthy, you're not
a customer. Like it's like you got to pull your
head out of the sand with this, you know what
I mean, and have a healthy skepticism. I'm not saying
that everything that uh, pharmaceutical companies do is bad, but
you know, for buy and large man like, you got
to go in it with some skepticism and distrust, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And question Yeah, and you know, I actually my background
on my computer, I just kind of minimize all the
windows just to see it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's called the healing web. This is like very interesting
sort of with the connections between on the left sides,
all the allopathic treat the symptoms of all the natural
sort of therapies, many of which you know are like
poo pooed or suppressed. But there was a great quote
a near near on the left side on the allopathic side.
It says the nature of capitalism creates a fundamental predicament
for Western doctors. A patient cured is a customer lost.
And really you can apply and more so apply that
to to the to the pharmaceutical companies, because I'm sure
there's lots of doctors even though they're like basically and
I don't mean this in a insulting way, I mean
retarded in like a like the medical sense, they've been retarded.
Their education has been retarded through the farmer companies sort
of just perverting the whole thing. So there's lots of
doctors that want to help you that they actually they're
like I tell you, when there's like some doctors where
they see the same patients so often and nothing works,
that just they just like the next prescription that they're
probably like saying a prayer to their deity. I hope
this I never see this person again. Maybe something magical
happens with this particular drug, but just completely there could
sort of sort of again like and I don't mean
that in a negative way, but they've been basically they've
clipped their wings from day one in the you know,
in medical school, you know which kind of that little
sort of terraat basically before get your question, just.
Speaker 2: More like you know, get into basics of of like what.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah the functional yeah functional? Oh yeah, so I
love I love sort of the analogy if you if
you have a gut problem. Let's say, you know, I
have some clients that have inflammat have been diagnosed with
inflammatory bow disease or irritable bout syndrome IBS, so IBD
IBS also like some of the main you know, things
you're gonna get diagnosed with if you go to the
doctor with a gut problem. And usually when you go
to the doctor, the first thing they do is they
do scans, and they might maybe do a colonoscopy. If
it's more like a girl that like a reflux, they
might do like a endoscopy, and like just just like
sticking things in your orifices, scanning you, you're radiating you,
and if they don't find anything struck sally, then they
can say it's a functional disorder. So it's so the
structure looks fine and they're happy with that nothing is
broken or protruding or whatever. So really that's kind of
a lot of the time, at least until recent years,
that's where sort of western medicine ends that there's nothing
we could do. We can operate, we can't cut anything out,
and the drugs don't seem to be working, and they
will try drugs, of course, so they stop there. So
functional medicine, natural medicine, they look more to improve the
function of whatever system we're talking about. And it's not
necessarily but usually if it's done right, we're looking to
not just make the symptom sort of go away for
a while and suppress it, but we want to address
whatever's causing the symptoms. So I like, you know, like
I've showed you back before we even start working together,
the functional medicine tree. So in the tree and that leaves,
you can imagine any symptom, so that the chiefs in
sort of the literal sense that treat the leaves may
be yellow, they may be with the ring falling off,
you know. So that's not like no one is foolish
enough to say I need to go out there with
a kind of spray paint, spray paint those leaves green
back and kind of stickitate them back on. That's treating
the symptom. So we know instinctively, we know that there's
something wrong with the treat does it get enough minerals
or maybe too much water, not enough water, So there
could be many reasons. So we start looking at the soil,
testing the soil, and that's sort of an analogy for
the functional paradigm where uh, and you don't have to
be a doctor to do this because again, like it's
not like doctors treat symptoms and they diagnose disease. You
don't even have to classify what a person has. And
I've I've worked with plenty of clients where just as
an example, one lady they diagnosed who are three different things,
two of them that I remember was one of the
most anclosing spondylitis dude and rheumatoid arthritis. And then we
did the metabolomics test, the urine test, and her one
of the toxic metals on the test was off the
charts ten times, about the top of the range gadolinium.
So I looked up kind of what are symptoms of
gadolinium toxicity sources and it turns out that a lot
of the symptoms of toxicity of that toxic metal are
very similar to like rheumatic pain, joint pain, various things,
that can be diagnosed as you know, ankalosis, spondylitis, and
a bunch of other kind of things. So I told her,
I don't think like I don't think. And she had
done like three s two tests that were not super
indicative of like real serious this bioso. So I thought,
I don't think this is because of your gut, because
of evidence that we already have and uh so things
like that. But then when you when you look at
what's the source of the metal, right, and then when
you look at it, it's actually the die they inject
into you before an MRI and lo and behold she
had several MRIs in irears and a parent. That stuff
gets the gabbolinium gets stored in the bones and it
kind of leades out over time. So like, this is
not a rheumatorial arthritis the way even the functional sort
of because like doctors think it's genetic. It just takes
drugs and you stop eating meat. That's kind of the
rheumatologists would say that functional folks who say it's probably
got related. But in this case, it was not neither
of those things. You know, So a little bit of
investigation root causes gut stuff you know, like I said,
metabolow mix, you can really find a lot of different
things that are at the root cause of those symptoms,
those health problems, which could be like as you know, inflammation,
oxidative stress, could be gut issues, deficiencies, toxicity, a lot
of stress which leads to a lot of other kind
of imbalances in the body. So we look to identify
the person's stress. All those kind of factors are just
listed and then start addressing them systematically, and then the
body naturally restores function when given what it needs and
when obstacles to health are removed.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's what let's say.
Like when I started with you, we did the metablomics
test and what's the other one called the the blood.
Speaker 3: One food Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that yielded so much data that I'm like
why I don't understand why that's not part of anybody's
routine primary care, Cause it's like that shows you those
are the numbers like based on your your blood and
your urine. Like there there it is, there's what you're
there's what you got too much of, this is what
you got not enough of, you know what I mean,
Like to put it in simple terms for people. You know,
it's like, it's wild how much data that went through
and then working with someone like you were you were,
you like compile it and put it into a whole
protocol for you and how to incorporate this in your
life and everything was you know. And I'm not saying
all this because I know, you know, I know this
someone right now going, oh, this dude's doing a sales pitch.
I'm like, no, this dude changed my life, Like you
know what I mean, Like, I'm well, we've been working
together four months. I like feel better, I have less.
Even though I'm one of the most stressed people in
the world. My stress is down. It's not down all
the way because because yeah, my situation is that I'm
working seven days a week running multiple businesses and it's
like bad economy, so everything's down and you know whatever,
so you know whatever, this stuff, you know, deal with,
but dealing with it way better. Down fifty pounds pretty much,
you know what I mean, Like, given the day, like
between between forty seven and fifty one pounds, because I
can fluctuate two or three pounds, you know, every you know,
if if I weigh myself two or three times a
week that you know, there's like a two or three
pound fluctuation. Not sure, sure you know? And so you know,
this is this is serious thing.
Speaker 3: Starting to drub. But you know what I have to
say it, I'm not I'm not like kind of you know,
blowing smoke up your ass here, But like I was
when you came to me, when you told me how
busy you are and everything, I was like, okay, this
I hope. I hope he does at least half of
what I tell him. But you did, dude, you did everything.
And I have to really uh sort of uh pay
my respect because like I have people that do half
as much as you do or less in terms of
like business and stuff, that do way less. So the
fact that you actually went and you did everything, and
it doesn't even have to be perfect, as you know,
like I don't expect anyone to be perfect, especially around
you know, Christmas and Thanksgiving and stuff, but like the
fact that you did it. Man, Like from the get
go was like, man, this guy I just had a
good feeling about. You know, how it's going to unfold,
you know, So no.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate it, but it's literally like like I
had told you from the beginning, like I had already
started before I reached out to you, like you know,
And so I wanted to make sure that I was
in a headspace like you know, cause you know, I've
been thinking about things for years, and like I finally
was in a place where like I gotta do this,
you know what I mean, or I'm gonna I don't
want to be the fifty something year old who has
a heart attack, you know what I mean, like because
of stress, you know, or a freaking stroke or something.
So yeah, I was like, I gotta do this just
a function. And I noticed I was like I was
just being really stabby and like just agro with people
in my life, and you know, like no one wants
to deal with that, you know what I mean. So
I'm like, I gotta, I gotta, you know, and you know,
not to say I'm like mister Sunshine you know nowadays,
but you know what I mean, definitely a lot better,
you know what I mean. I'm not there, it's still
a goal. But but like just the changes right off
the rip, even even the simple things like because my
shoulder stuff, man, that Magnoil changed my life, dude, Like
there's days where I don't even feel shoulder pain at all.
I still don't have all the mobility that I need,
but I know, you know, I got to do a
little more PT type stuff with that or mobility stuff,
which which I do do I don't. I don't do
heavy shoulder stuff at the gym anymore. I do more, like,
you know, more mobility stuff. But like everything I learned,
like is just like it's helped me so much that
like people got to know about this stuff, like because
if it helps me, it can it works for anybody,
because it's common sense stuff and it's not hard, you
know what I mean, Like because it's what I liked
about dealing with you too, and you know we're still
in it. I'm still dealing It was just like there's
so much out there. We're in a world right now
where we're so inundated with information and we're inundated with misinformation.
We're inundated with just like wacky like programs like you know,
and you know, and like you said, like you know,
keto and fasting like were the things you know when
you that were big when you first there's still big,
you know what I mean, and still big, yeah, or bigger,
and everything you've said has been like pretty much. It's
it's it's it's more than common sense, but like it's
it's like almost just getting back to basic stuff, man,
Like you know, like this is what this is what
you don't need, and this is unfortunately what you don't need.
Is makes up about seventy percent of the food supply.
Like just just go basic, man, you know, like and
I don't know, I don't I don't know. I'm getting
off on a little weird tangent here too, but but yeah, man,
so to get back into it, man, like why don't
you you know, kind of what are some of the
biggest things that you know. We're in January, right, and
January is always the new year.
Speaker 5: Me.
Speaker 2: I've noticed a bunch of new faces at the gym.
You don't hear it. I don't see it the first week.
I see it like the second, third week of January.
It Scott, So we we've been playing this podcast for
a while, but this was a strategic placement of when
it comes out because there's a lot of people the
New Year, New Meat crowd, which is fine, you know,
cool anytime you want to make a change for the
better is a good time to make a change. But like,
why don't you know, I don't know, Like what are
some of the main misconceptions people have about health? And
like what are the like, you know, what are the
some of the main things people can do. Like obviously,
going to the gym is just one component. I've been
going to the gym for years, man, for years and years,
and until I got diet dialed in or I'm not
gonna say it's one hundred percent dialed in, but more
dialed in. That's when I started noticing the big things.
Plus the supplementation that you you know, the supplementation that
you put me on. I'm just gonna show you. This
is my old man, these are this is my breakfast, lunch,
and dinner supplements. And I loved how you I framed
it from me because I was like, dude, I feel
like such an old man with this, and You're like, no,
it's it's it's called biohacking.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, cool of the biohacker
CEOs and doing that. But you know, I bought one
of those, man, and I in the end, like some
years later, I threw it out because I could never
fit on my days or even my dad meals you know, pills.
This is useless, Like these old ex pensioners on they're
not taking enough drugs. That's what like if I was
a pharmaceutical sort of executive, like we need these people
need bigger containers because they're not taking enough drugs. You know.
But uh yeah, that's the thing, dude, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of guys they think they
equate fitness and health, but it's not. It's not called
fitness health, it's called health and fitness. They're different things.
So you know, you can actually be very metabolically healthy
and and be pretty unfit. You know, it can be
quite unfit. Uh Likewise, you can actually be extremely fit,
and you could be like days, weeks, months, years, like
a few years from from a heart attack, stroke. And
we've had plenty of athletes kind of you know, just
perish way to eard especially it's more like the endurance stuff.
That's the thing. Endurance exercise things like especially like a
lot of running, like marathon type running. That's probably one
of the worst things you can do to your body,
you know. But even if you don't, even if it's
just like gym stuff. I think just because someone is
going to the gym doesn't mean that they're actually healthy.
You could be like jacked and you can be prett
damn swall and strong and actually feel pretty good. But
that doesn't mean that metabolically things are okay, you know,
because the thing is, like you know, by the time
you notice is simple. Let's say, by the time your
tree sleeves are yellow, it's not that didn't happen just
now whatever, cause that probably could have happened. You know,
it could have started happening days, weeks, months, And with humans,
when you have a symptom occur that you feel that
you can kind of go and get diagnosed by the doctor.
Was having a disease that sometimes literally it's been decades
in the making. So for example, a stroke, aftero sclerosis,
cancer in some cases at least it's decades in the making,
and you know, it's at least years, and with many,
if not most symptoms, it's at least you know, weeks
to months something has been going on. So we always
have to like and you said it, well, it's really
diet is the number one thing. But also we have
to supplement in the modern world because for many reasons that.
Of course we could discuss that for like hours why
supplementation is important. But if you can dial in those
two things, really that that helps a lot, because when
you improve diet, I think people just kind of forget
is how deep a nuance this whole thing is. So
when you improve diet, well, what are you doing? Well, yes,
you are giving your body more nutrition, which means it
can do more things you were if you had deficiencies.
You're addressing those deficiencies. But at the same time, when
you improve the diet, you're actually adding less poison. So
you know, pesticides, herbicides, chemicals and mousifiers. I mean just
like literally there's like at least two and a half
thousand chemicals that are kind of been okayed to be
used in the food supply, at least that we know about,
you know, that are being kind of classified grass generally
regarded as safe and whatnot. So you're adding less poison.
What does that mean? Well, if you add less poison
like pesticides and and and and kind of stuff like that,
and and metals and whatnot, but that means that less
of the other nutrition that you've added it has to
be diverted to deal with the poisons and the toxins,
so that means more is left over for repair and regeneration.
So I think that a lot of a lot of
people they really underestimate what truly cleaning up the diet means.
And by that I mean not just going organic grass fed.
But I think, as you know, I think a lot
of people it's it's a part of our conditioning. Is
since since I was a little kid, dude, I'm sure
you're probably similar, and most of the listeners since we
were little kids, what did we when we were eating
with our folks at the table, what did they say,
you gotta eat of vegetables? You know, you gotta you
gotta get that's where the nutrition is. That that's the
biggest load of horseshit ever, dude, Like, because when you
think about it, I just and sometimes like I just
want to kind of put it back to the bear essentials,
like what are we? We are you know, eternal consciousness,
all that good stuff, But like at the physical level,
what are we? We're physical, we're mammals, we're warm blooded,
we're made of you know, these tissues whatever. So what's
the purpose of eating beyond the more esoteric sort of
getting energy and whatever. The purpose of eating food is
to you know, sort of break it down, digested, absorbed,
and then assimilate it into the body. So when you
think about it, what's the most compatible with a human
mammal that's you know, ninety eight point six whatever degrees fahrenheit.
Is it maybe another mammal? Is it animal product that
kind of you know, we're designed like let's say milk
was designed to you know, help an animal grow, or
is it you know, a fibrous plant, cells, cellulos tissue, fiber,
things that are indigestible to the body. That we're designed
to optimize a plant and its metabolism and life. So
when you kind of think about it, it's probably the former,
not the latter, and that this is where we've been
brainwashed by the science, you know, phyto just the whole
That word, the phyto nutrients is in it of itself
is a scam because a lot of what's in the plant,
so phyto means plant nutrient. Obviously everybody knows nutrient means
something that's required for life, not chemical. Is a chemical
it can be required for life, but it can might
not be could be harmful. So when they mislabeled phyto
chemicals has phyto nutrients, they are subtly brainwashing us that
I need those nutrients in my body. But when you
think about it, most of in that like again, just
look at it tomato or I don't know, cucumber. Most
of in the what's in there is going to be water,
It's gonna be fibrous cellulosy stuff that you can digest,
and then there will be depending on the plant, there
will be some things that are compatible that we can extract.
So certain minerals, you know, potassium, vitamin C, various B
vitamin and so on, some some amino acids, protein, fats,
et cetera. But that's still not optical. It's like, you know,
you have a specific machine that designed to run on
X fuel and and sort of components and parts, and
then you try to crow bar other things that you've
kind of picked up from, you know, over the years.
That's kind of the way I kind of see it.
It doesn't make sense, and so many of us are
brain washed on So if you can get over that,
not only does a lot of guilt go away around
Oh I didn't need enough vegetables. I'm a bad person
I used to do. I used to buy broccoli and
spinach and all this nonsense, and it would just rot
in the fridge and it would throw it out, and
I was like, oh my god, I'm wasting so much money.
This organic ship is like three bucks for three ounces
of this nonsense. You could buy like steak with that
kind of money, and I'd feel guilty. And then when
I realized that there should be no guilt around not
eating vegetables and whatever. You're saving money that can be
spent on better food, and a lot of this sort
of guilt around it goes away. So that was that'ld
be like one tip now for for folks listening. You
don't need to eat more vegetables this year. That shouldn't
be a resolution. I absolve you of any guilt around
shitty ass vegetables.
Speaker 2: The vegetarian contingent is going to have some, so you know,
like you you started to say, like what so in
your research and back around you know, like what is
best for for for the human body? Like you know
what I mean, like what is it that we need?
And I know it could be different for everybody based
on you know, genetics or you know, sensitivities or you know,
things like that, or you know the stuff we've encountered
in tests like what some might have too much of
or not enough of. It's things like that. But in general,
what are the things people should be focusing on, like
you know, getting in.
Speaker 3: I mean, like honestly, man, like a lot of a
lot of it is just the opposite of what we
hear in the in the mainstream.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So in the mainstream they say, you know, reduce red meat.
I really eliminated, focus more on fish. I'd say the
opposite is correct. I would rather clients eat more red
meat than I had. One guy CEO, uh, very kind
of busy, wealthy, all that stuff, and his doctor had
gotten him off. He used to hunt and everything. He's
back hunting now, but he used to hunt. The doctor
got him off hunting, and he was eating just a
different type of fish every day. Like just I was like,
that's terrible advice. And on top of that, takeing omega
threes and kind of doing other kind of nonsense that
was harmful. So really they're telling us less saturated fats.
But also if you look at Harvard Medical Press, the
American Heart Association, and I think the World Health Organization,
the big bodies I had, they tell you to eat
less saturated fats, like no more than ten percent of
your calories. But actually they're very happy telling you that
you should get five to ten percent of your calories
as omega six you know, like from oils and nuts
and seeds. So that's another thing that's like a huge,
sort of horrific sort of basically designed to make people
develop disease a lot faster recommendation. So I would say
is I would actually increase my saturated fat from good,
high quality sources very important, and I would reduce as
much as possible sources of a six fast. And as
you know, Josh, like I actually personally I don't need
any nuts. I mean here and there, like if I'm
having like throughout and maybe like have cake or something
or dessert, or my burger bond might have like seeds
or nuts on it whatever, like not like militant about it,
but as a daily stable, like I think nuts and seeds.
And the crazy thing is if you go and look
at the research, you will see all of this sort
of data quote unquote data because it's all associational nonsense.
But all this data that says, you know, but not
to seeds are really associated with with all these other
you know, benefits and stuff, which so like in the
in the sort of especially the epidemiological data, and I
know you kind of have an understanding of these things.
That's why kind of like we can talk about it.
But in the epidemiological data, they're very it's very to
manipulate stuff. So you know, vegetables are associated with better
health outcomes. Red meat has been associated with like you know,
more colorrectal cancers, and there's kind of poor health and
and kind of a cardiovascar disease. But we know, oh,
there's a lot of different biases in that research that
could be you know, messing with it. So I would
say not as a rule, I wouldn't like live by
this rule, but a lot of what the mainstream recommends,
I would almost be like, Okay, let's figure out is
it the exact opposite, because oftentimes it is no eat
less for example, And the other one. I'm sorry to
to kind of harp on here, but this one might
blow your mind. But I think the whole thing around
sugar is yet another style of man. I think sugar
and even granulated white sugar. I don't think it's that bad,
and I wouldn't eat it every day and type thing.
But if I'm in a pinch, like I would rather
have some sugar than like nuts and oil is stuff
like whatever nonsense in like chips, stuff like that. So
I think they used sugar is the most the very
convenient scapegoat, because our sugar consumption did increase over the
laste hundred and fifty years. That's true, even though it's
been around for centuries prior. It has increased now in
the last century and a half. But what they're doing
is they are using sugar as the scapegoat whilst the
seed oils because there's a lot of kind of it's
a government subsidized industry, there's a lot of interest, a
lot of powerful people became very rich over the last
you know, one hundred and twenty thirty years with that industry.
There's a big lobby, so they want to protect that,
and there's nobody's talking smack about seed oils in the mainstream.
In fact, if you go find mouthpieces of pharma, like
I forget the names of some of these websites. Some
clients send me stuff once in a while. You will
see that there's articles in there debunking all the seed
oil sort of panic being And there was one article
somebody sent me that beef tallow is no health food
and actually soybean oil and all those others are actually
much healthier than beef out. That's the kind of shit
that's being sort of thrown at normies everywhere. So you know,
we have to really anytime there's a big coupla about
a specific recommendation, I think we have to think a
isn't the exactly opposite, because sometimes it can be, but
more more often than all, it's like it's there's a
lot of nu once that we have to get in
and understanding there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and obviously people's you know, genetics
and sensitivities come into play and things have to get
fine tuned and tweaked to them. But were just you know,
for this conversation, just we could talk in general. But
I mean, you know, the way sugar is vilified now
is how like butter was vilified or things like that.
And if you think about it, if you look in
the fifties, everyone was skinny and they were eating steaks, potatoes, butter,
and you know what I mean and you know whatever
like ola. Yeah, but you know the thing is like
you know, instead of sugar, now you know, there's high fruitose,
corn syrup you know, or this and that. You know,
like you said, get into the seed oils that you
know are actually like really bad for you. And like
a lot of that was just wasn't Some of that
just like run off from like industrial processes, and they
got to get rid of it, so they like package
it as like, hey, we can use it for this,
you know what I mean, Like yeah, that's that's what's scary,
you know, Like and that's like you know, the flooride
in the toothpaste, it's like in the water supply because
it was an industrial runoff from a chemical process, and
like what are we gonna do with all this fluoride? Well,
let's sell it, you know what I mean, Like people,
And that's not a conspiracy man, Like you can look
it up and it's it's all there, you know what
I mean. And there's a lot of you know, things
going on the world. You know, obviously I have a
conspiratorial slant things sometimes, but you know, like it's it's
not bad to have an unhealthy to have a healthy
skepticism of things because there's a lot of stuff where
it's just like rich dudes being scumbags and like you know,
making more money off of like run off, Like we
did all this stuff and now we have all this
extra stuff. Let's sell it off to the to the
suckers basically. And you know, but I mean what I
can attest to is that before I started working with you,
and you know, I'm just putting it out there because
I'm just putting putting it out there as a testament
because you know, people know me that, like you know
I I you know, like my word is bond, Like
you know, I'm not gonna tout anything that that isn't
real or it doesn't work. Like before I was working
with you, I was on like four three to four
energy drinks a day and doing a pre workout and
all this other stuff and you know, eating out a
lot more and stuff I don't take pre I maybe
have I'm not gonna say I have none, but maybe
one in a month. I might have two or three
energy drinks in a month. Now instead of that, my
daily intake is like now the month right here and there,
I grab them because you know, I'm doing long hours
and whatever. I'm not doing a pre workout anymore, you
know what I mean. I get up and I do
the honey and fruit like you say, you know, and
and a little bit of protein before I go to
the gym, and then a protein shake and then like
I'm trying, you know, for the most part, when I'm
doing a food prep and just eating like like clean
grass fed, local source from a local from a local
farm here, beef and either rice or potato or sweet potato,
and and you know, chicken, you know what I mean,
and that as well. And I know sometimes you say,
don't not too much chicken, you know what I mean,
but you know, you know, not a lot, like like
once a week or you know what I mean, like
but mostly beef. And I'm never hungry. And I literally
in the last few months have dropped like fifty pounds.
So it's like and I feel good, so you know
what I mean for the most part. So yeah, you know,
I'm a testament, Like I'm not you know, I'm not
blowing smoke. I got nothing, you know what I mean.
If I can help someone, that's you know what I mean,
and and and and feel better, and you know that's
why that's half the reason why I got out of healthcare. Man,
Like you know, like my background. You mentioned wh I worked,
who I worked for, CDC, I worked for like cancer
centers and stuff, and I'm just like, this is all bullshit,
Like you know what I mean, Like, it's an industry
and it's money, dude, it's money, and it's an industry
and it's and.
Speaker 3: I love to know. I'd love to be a fly
on the wall during those jobs interviews. Did you have
the beard when you were.
Speaker 2: Maybe not as long?
Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to tell you the President Ken.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I'll tell you one thing, right this
is this is a funny story based on that. Like
when I was in school and I was going to
work for w for World Health Organization, I like worked
at headquarters in Switzerland. I was going to work for
their traditional medicine program because I was into like working
with like you know, traditional healers like shaman's and you know,
uh medicine men things like that, and so I was
going out there to work for them, and that when
I was in my anthropology school by by program there
at that time, you know, I was still heavily tattooed
I had, you know, like now I got slick back
here and show it here, but like I had big
dreadlocks and they didn't. They pulled no punches. I went
there and they were like, you're Josh, don you because
this is like before like before incident. This is like
late late nineties, you know what I mean. They never
saw a picture of me. They were like in disbelief.
They're like, you're this guy, like you know, on paper,
I look a different way, you know, to him. And
you know, I worked I worked in that program for
and I it's a whole long story. Maybe we'll get
into it on your show sometimes, but but yeah, it
was funny. But yeah, they were like seriously, well that
was always the coolst Like when I was in grad school,
I was like arrested multiple times for disorderly and you know,
we were always you know, wild, just wild, stayed wild,
you know what I mean, but just went to school.
Speaker 3: But but yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, so like I have a healthy distrust of these
places because I worked there and I saw how they work,
and I saw the bureaucracy and the money machine behind
things and the motivations behind things. And you know, I'm
not slighting any of these because there are people in
there that are trying to do good and trying to
do the right thing, but they're constrained by you know,
the the bureaucracy that they're a part of, you know
what I mean. Like so you say, yeah, and like
there's no no one becomes a doctor because you're a
you know what I mean? Like, you know, yeah, for
the most surgeons maybe you know, I'm just kidding. Surgeons
have God conflict now and I'm just playing anyone. You know,
I don't think there's many surgeons listening to this show.
But you know, I've worked with a bunch of No,
they're good, you know, they have a that's a different
breed a doctor. But like, no one's no one's getting
into primary care because they don't want to help people.
But I feel like, you know, and we can you
know though, I don't even want to get into the
whole conspiracy about the Rockefellers and you know how all
this ties into medical education and blah blah blah. Yeah,
people can start to look at that. There's some hints
for you. There's some there's some breadcrumbs you can you
can start. You used to google, but when you look
at it, like there was no better line in the
sand than you know what we just went through in
the twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, like you know,
like well not twenty five, but I mean, yeah, it's
still going on now, like you know, like they were
just following orders, you know, you know, and you know
there was some good doctors that were speaking out and like, hey,
you know, we really got to do more recent we
got to think about this different. They got silenced or
they lost their license, you know, like really that's that's
part of the scientific process. You're going to pull someone
sciences they don't agree with the main narrative and you know,
actually calling for scientific method you know, all right, we're
going on a tire radio, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but it's a massia, dude, that's it's a mafia.
It is a people. Don't really I'm not not obviously,
not the crowd listening to this show obviously, but like
I'm just talking about the wider world kind of you know,
we we we sometimes forget the level of normalness in
in you know, the majority of the population. So that's
a mafia that is manipulating a lot of aspects of
and it's beyond just medical care, it's also the insurance.
Like if you just look at the insurance industry that
profits off of all of that as well. And then
we start connecting the dots and who's involved, and then
the FDA and then what positions those guys have been
go to after being in there. Know, So it's yeah,
it's a it's a bit. I think the most important
thing is we have to and this is what my
talk will be at an archaebook the next next month,
is like we have to like the way you know
many of us kind of go on these rabbit holes
and researching various kinds of things around conspiracies and whatever,
whatever tickeles, your fancy moonlighting whatever, we have to have
a similar sort of at least in my view. I'm
not saying we have to enforce it or anything, but like,
if we want to survive and thrive in the modern world,
we have to really take a little bit of self responsibility,
uh and not abdicate that to it doesn't like even myself,
Like I have some clients that they they're like most
people that come to me are very easy to work with,
but like I have people still that want the rational
Why is this recommendation that I'm making, Why why are
carbs okay? Why is low car bad? And I'm happy
to provide evidence and kind of ration now and logic
just to because like, if you can learn for yourself
what works, what doesn't work, help evaluate certain kind of
recommendations and interventions, then you're never kind of left hoping
that whoever is helping you or giving you information or
holding your hand has good intentions for you, which you
might get lucky, but as we saw in recent times,
like if you just kind of abdicate that responsibility to
your doctor, practitioner, politician, whatever, a lot of the time
we're like lemmings being let off, you know, of the
cliffs thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know and and it all, you know,
it's like a big the system is a big cluster fuck,
you know what I mean. Like when you because when
you start getting deep in the research, you see the
insurance companies are pulling a lot of the strings on
the on like the you know, on like the medical groups.
And then or and then you look and you find
the same companies own the the insurance companies and they
own the medical facilities. And it's like all right, so
we're just working in concert here, you know what I mean,
like to maximize profit and and you know or whatever,
or or when you see things like pediatricians have incentives
to give a certain amount of a certain amount of vaccines.
And I'm not talking, I'm not I'm not pro I'm
not anti vaccines. Like I'm like, let's use common sense.
Like when I was a kid, you got a few,
you know, like and people are coming down on RFK
because he just brought the schedule down from like eighty
to eighteen and I'm like, yeah, it gets out of
control when when they have things like vaccines, like they
want to vaccinate your child with het B vaccine. It's like,
is your kid fucking going out and having unprotected sex
and doing potty drugs like you're six month old? I
don't think so, I hope.
Speaker 3: Not, Like you know what I mean. They can go
out there on their own.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, So like why would you need
to give a kid a heap B? Now, obviously there's
certain ones that are good and you know, and then
there's certain ones that are just you know, they're just
there to make money and that's always it. Just you
got to follow it. You got to question it and
follow the money. That's why you know, you got to
get second opinions on things. You know, it's it's crazy.
You just got to You got to be an advocate
for yourself because no one's going to advocate for you,
you know, like yeah, and you take control of your
own health and take control of everything. So you know,
we talked that we've been, you know, with diet. You
know what, what are some basic guidelines because because there's
so many myths about like you know, you need to
you need to you know, fast, or you need to
do low car but like you got to do this
or that or like avoid like you said, avoid me
like I've you know, I've cut out pretty much seed
oil as much as I can. Like I use beef
tallow at my house, you know what I mean when
I'm making a mistake or whatever. I use cast iron pan.
I'm not trying to use anything like any nonstick or
any you just go back to basics. It's that's that's
how easy it is. But what's like the balance you think?
Because I I know you've said like a certain amount
of how much protein versus how much fat versus how
much carbs? Because I because what you say is very
common sense, but I that goes against the grain of
what you know, I think is what being told in
the world today. And I'm you know, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think people know so the big the big one of
the so. And I'm gonna talk like like a sid
I said to you, I'm speaking of an Arcapolco next month,
and yeah, kind of I'm thinking about how to frame
this to the conspiracy mind.
Speaker 2: That or whatever. The conference that sounds so awesome, Man,
I wish I had I told you about it.
Speaker 3: But I know, like you can't probably leave all your
businesses and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get in a better place where I
can go like next year, Like next year, I want
to be able to have more more more more freedom
to uh to travel, you know what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I've been thinking about a lot about how
would I kind of present this in for so the
way I was kind of thinking that's how I was
a lizard person. If I wanted to mess people's health
up in a very kind of insidious way where very
little can be pinned on me, Well, how would I
go about it? And I'll tell you, I've been thinking
about this kind of as I'm going to sleep, and
I'm like just kind of getting ideas and I'm walking
my dog and I'm getting ideas. And to be honest
with you, man, I wouldn't change too much of what
is already happening. For example, let's say, you know, kids
are kind of you know, coming up in their teens
early twenties, super impressionable. What would I do. Well, of course,
you have to give the illusion of choice to people.
So I'm gonna manipulate the especially the girls, you know,
like a more sort of these more sensitive types that
you know, we're killing the animals and torturing them. So
it's really like you just need the vitamins, minerals, everything,
the protein. It's all the same in the plants. In fact,
evolution you know, of course, because everybody believes in evolution
out there, you know, evolutionarily, we all lived at the equator.
We all came from Africa, and we only had you know,
fruits and vegetables to eat all our you know, millions
of years. So that crowd, I'd be like, help them
make the choice to go plant based largely or food
vegan if they're extra sort of you know, determined. On
the other hand, I'm gonna appeal to the guys in
various ways, Like you know, the male ego is a
lot more easy to kind of manipulate that, you know,
machoisms like oh we do we're hyper carnivores. All you
gotta do is meat. We just ate meat for two
million years and Homo habitlists or whatever, just ate meat.
Even though again that's another religious belief that we have
only you know, evolutionary biology, which is based on like dude,
like just some bunch of god knows think tanks decided
we're gonna this is this is how it happened. We
have no idea what was going on in the world
even three hundred years ago. You know, I don't know
if you ever like talk to folks about on the
show about Tartarian the month floods, like we have no idea, yeah,
and the fact.
Speaker 2: That that's coming, that's coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, we have Like just yesterday I
saw there's some I think on the Easter Island there
was some kind of architectural sort of artifact the way
they were putting the blocks together, there's like a middle
block joining them. There was the exact same in Egypt.
So it's like like we have no freaking idea what
the hell's going on or especially about our you know,
distant history. But anyway, it's very it's another very sort
of a great way to get guys to just do
more keto because it's ancessary, consistent, and carnivore. So in
both of those extremes, you would fuck your health up
on a long enough timeline, and you have the illusion
of choice here. If I could further mess you up,
I would say I would get fasting into your head, dude.
I would have everybody fast, whether it's for spiritual, religious
purposes or to upregulate utology to improve your health and
longevity based on what on rat studies, on rat studies, dude,
with zero human evidence that fasting actually makes you healthier
or that will make you live longer. There's zero evidence,
and in fact kind of researching this for my next
book in a bit more depth. One of the biggest
sort of fasting. Actually a few of the biggest fasting
proponents have circled not circled back, but they've done a
kind of a little bit of a one eighty on
the fasting. Vouter Longo. I just saw a clip of
him a few days ago. I kind of saved. I'm
gonna probably put them into a YouTube sort of little
mini documentary or whatever. He used to talk about, like
fasting is this incredible thing you regenerate your rogans. Now
he's like, they asked him, what do you think is
the best intermitted fasting period. He's like, I think you
know about twelve hours is good. More more of that
it would be stressful, Like dude, like twelve hours is
not even fast. That's how most people eat, you know,
from eight to eight that type thing. So but anyway,
I would get people too fast, because that is a
very very insidious way to mess somebody's helf up. And
the thing about it is, especially with the longer the
longer fast, you will actually get benefits in the in
the interim, especially if the food supply. Knowing how the
food supply is and how bad many people's diet is,
if you actually start taking breaks from the terrible diet,
you actually feel better from the inflammatory things in the diet.
If you got it messed up from stress and life.
To say it, fasting paradoxically will actually give you a
little bit of reprieve from that from that immune system,
this regulation that got dysfunction. You know, if you have
endotoxin producers producing bacteria that have overgrown some of those
that a lot of that endotoxin production stops when you
don't eat, because you know, they need substrates to grow,
divide and multiply. So you actually will give people sort
of benefits initials, kind of symptom lowering, symptom improving benefits,
but over time they just basically will will degenerate their
body and and worsen their metabolism, and pretty much the
body will eat itself, the bones, the joints, the skin,
all the collagen in there will get used to make
keytones to make because so that's another thing obout caution folks,
if you're fasting, think about it. Could you get those
same benefits without fasting, because really the fasting benefits are,
like I mentioned, you eat less for so, if your
diet is very crappy, you take a break from the
crappy diet. If you if your diet is very you know,
plant heavy, that could be another thing driving gut problems
and the toxin production and immunes of this regulation. So
taking a break from a plant heavy diet, we'll also
give you you know, you know ostensible benefits. But then, uh,
the other thing is that the spiritual benefits. Dude. Of course,
fasting will bring you closer to God, You're creator, because
you're slowly dying. It's like having a near death experience
in slow motion.
Speaker 5: Just just just smoke some brufo and take some shrooms
and you you know, you don't have to like degenerate
yourself to to connect with spirit.
Speaker 3: So that's good.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to cut you off here, but I'm
just trying to, like, I want to see if I
got this right. Because fasting is a big thing, and
you still hear about it a lot. So fasting in
the end is bad for you because it's good because
it's degenerative to body. But people think it's good because
in the short term you do feel some effects, but
it's not. It's not because of the fasting. It's because
you're not putting garbage in your system.
Speaker 3: So that's exactly the and like the thing about it is,
here's the and you understand this, so think about it
like this. Right, Let's say you have people that fast,
be it intermittent fasting or or prolonged fasting, doesn't matter.
Let's say you have these people that lose weight right
and through that weight loss, their blood sugar regulation improves,
their blood pressure reduces, they snore less at night, so
they breathe more easily, so they sleep better. Their partner
doesn't hate their guts as much because they don't snore
as much. You know, they might feel more confident with
the weight loss. That could lead to a self sort
of to a to a sort of virtuous cycle of them, Oh,
all this fasting, I might as well eat better then
you eat better than you also have it. So there's
a lot of beneficial things happen. And but the thing is,
if you look at the research, a lot of fasting
research is actually confounded by the weight loss. The weight
loss is a confounding variable because if the weight loss
creates those benefits that the fasting group got, that means
that we can get those benefits via other ways eating better,
you know, more movement, you know, maybe some some calorie
kind of uh lower calorie days to kind of create
a bit of a deficit. There's a lot of ways.
The cocaine diet, that's a great one. You know, you
meet a lot of cool people, hang out to the parties,
so there's a lot of different ways you can get
the weight loss. So if the weight loss is driving
the improvements, why do something that is degenerating your body,
stressing the Jesus out of you? And because the thing
is you don't notice when your bones you're losing bone mass.
Like I have clients with osteoporosis and stuff, and they're
kind of in their sixties and sometimes seventies, like they
don't they they don't notice it until way, way, way,
you know, in their sixties seventies they go for you know,
a deexiscan or something, or they have a fracture, you know,
which is even worse. So these degenerative that's the insidious nature.
And I'm not saying I'm not saying the research the
researchers are bad people. They're just kind of you know,
doing trying to make a name for themselves. There. I'm
saying is when and this is probably my my teen
foe had sort of conspiracy conspiracy mind, but I'm saying
is when they figure out an intervention is actually not
that good for people or downright harmful. The algorithms can
be you know, tweaked in a way where that it's
algorithmically amplified. So if you go on YouTube right now
on the homepage that I've been fasting, any type of fasting, water,
intermedtent ortoplogy, man, you will get videos with you know,
two three, four, five, six million views. You will get
thousands of people talking about fasting, and they're all parroting
the same shit, bro Like, not almost not a single
person is coming in with original thought. It's utophogy, cellular
clean up. All the religions have fasting, and it's the
same sort of spiel, just a different guy or gal
talking about it. You know, very very little original thought.
And it's because that's what I saw in the biohacking
community back in you know, twenty eighteen when I went
in there. Everybody listens to this, you know, these priests
of the biohacking movement, and there are all those experts
are doing the rounds on the podcast. So we're all
parroting the same shit to our clients. You know, Quito,
there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate in the
physiology textbooks. You know, all of these party lines are
being parroted by you know the majority of coaches, practitioners, trainers,
health and enthusiasts, and that's how we create these echo
chambers where now it's like you were you were behind.
If you don't do this thing fasting, you're the one
that's behind. You're the sort of the lot. When actually
I think with health being maybe a late adopt is
in this day and age, I think actually it might
it might be a good idea to actually be a
little bit more of a lead adopt rather because for
just another example, the is vitro. I don't know if
you ever heard of the supplement, but basically it's like
it's it's a fight to westernchin dude. And I did
an experiment after I found out that actually some people
reported it mess it messes with their hormones. So I
actually did. I had a five hundred milligram resveratro with
whatever other monsense in it product. So I started taking
that every other day or every third sort of night,
or just take it once. And what I noticed within
like maybe ten ten days is that on the days
when I would take reservitrol, the next day I would
not have morning would I was like, you know, this
is quite a while ago now, but I would not
have morning wood the next day. And if I skipped
it for a day or two, it went back to normal.
So I'm like, yeah, okay, it makes sense. It makes
that the resvertual is all the rage, it's all about
activating this sirtuins blah blah blah. And then the anecdotal
reports of it's kind of messing with people's hormonal stuff
coming out as like a bit of a wake up
call at yet another thing that I think it got
and the guy. I'm not not to like throw shade
on the guy or anything, but that the guy is
like a Harvard PhD. And I just don't trust, Like,
to be honest, my initial stance on a lot of
it now isn't don't trust. First verify, and then let's
see how the biohackers do with it over the next
few years, and maybe then we can kind of consider
adding experimenting with it. And then once I've experimented with it,
then now I don't just recommend things to clients. I
usually if to recommend the supplement, I usually have to
take it for at least like months, months, two, sometimes
even more before I actually can confidently recommend it to people.
I think it's important to have that sort of sense
of responsibility because it's so easy just to parrot lines
you heard from Dave Aspbury, Ben Greenfield and whatnot, and
or kind of these big doctors or doing the podcast rounds.
It's so easy to parrot that stuff. But a lot
of them are circling back, big big names in that
we're kind of talking about fasting eight ten years ago
completely stop fasting completely.
Speaker 2: So the question is, you know, I was listening to
something just the other day and they were talking a
lot about fasting and like doing like kind of like
extreme fastings, like no water, no no food, and you know,
like at a certain at a certain point, it starts
cleaning up. You're talking about cellula cleanup, and you know
it'll eat attack cancer cells and then seven days in
or five days in you're gonna release millions of millions
of stem cells and all that. Like what's your response
to that? And and you know, because I'm sure there's
going to be pushed back because you know, yeah, obviously
these things and you know, I'm not putting all this
out to challenge anybody, but like, you know, people are people.
People adopt these things and take it in like like gospel.
So like you know, how what do you like, what's
really going on there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So just I'll tell you, man, like I was gonna
do my my next book was going to be How
to Actually Live Longer, Volume two.
Speaker 2: That's kind of planning to do it. But I got
this here. This, this is this is Christian's book. Pick
that up on Amazon. It's got good information in it.
It's like how to Actually Live Longer. So he's talking
about pot too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it, brother. But yeah, so I was going
to do volume two. I've been kind of meaning to
do it for like quite a while now, and I
have the research radio just it's it's just about like
just getting stuck in for a few months. But anyway,
I just the fasting thing is just it just keeps
coming up. I don't know why. And I had a
chapter in the previous book about it. But like I
started like digging deeper into the research since kind of December,
and now I'm kind of back into it in the
new year. And man, I tell you, like the crazy
thing with the fasting research, it's just so underwhelming. It's
so bad. It's so bad. I don't like, I don't understand,
Like I mean, I understand why they're pushing it. They
want to push this research because it's an interesting topic.
But like all the research so far that comes out,
unless you're just looking at a very sort of conventional
medicine retarded way of improving cardio metabolic markers, that's kind
of the always not always, but a lot of time
it's just the goal improving cardio metabolic It's like, dude,
like like those guys and gals they think, if the
fasting will lower your you know, your cholesterol and whatnot,
that you're gonna that's like that's a good result, that's
an improvement. But like these are so such transient things
and actually it's not even it's not even reproducible. Every
time some studies show that actually the cholesterol actually uh
in increases, they say it worsens those markers. Cholesterol increasing
does not mean it's it's your work software anything. And
then it's there's some studies that go from the insulin
resistance perspective, they actually find that after the fast people
are actually more insulin resistant. And then you have other
guys that saying that it lowers inflammation. But I have
studies showing that actually during the faster inflammation increases based
on things like ce reactive protein interloke in six. And
then there was another study which was done in like
on the mean age was like almost thirty men young men,
and that studies showed that actually there was an increase
in oxidative stress based on actually the marker on your test,
the metabolow MIICX, that lipid peroxidation marker on the test
that's a t bars thile barbeturic acid reactive. I believe
it was the same market that they use, so that
marker increased during the fast, which means lipid peroxidation is occurring.
And what people don't know, and that's why I need
to write the book is especially if someone is fasting
for the weight loss, what you actually don't want. And
that's why with with you and with all clients, where
you know, uh, fat loss is part of the goals
that the client has. We always want to not just
tweak calories and and and kind of increase fat loss
because that's actually pretty easy. We want to lay the
foundation in terms of like the toxification, gut function, liver function, stress,
all these things, because what people a lot of people
don't know is actually we our fat uh fatty tissue
is a repository for various chemicals known as persistent organic pollutants,
So things like from organic chlorines to like various like
even from uh gasoline combustions. There's certain things that are lipophilic,
so they kind of get they have an affinity to
our to our fatty tissue. So if you just start
like rapidly losing weight, all of a sudden, you're releasing
not just a ton of these uh pops persistent pollutants,
but also a lot of polion saturary fats. Because most people,
especially in the US, that have a little bit of
like a excess weight sort of issue, a lot of
that fat contains a lot of Omega six potien satury fat,
and those are very unstable. So if you just like
really needy, just open the flood gates, you got toxins.
Now your livers are dealing with and then it's also
dealing with all these proofas that can be turned into
inflammatory molecules mediators like a costenoids, prostaglandins. They can also
spontaneously peroxidize whilst they're circulating in your body. They can
damage you know, your vascular your your blood vessel, lining
your organs, so you know, like and then the byproducts
of that damage uh uh, these byproducts, some of them
can cross the blood brain barrier, you know, damage neurons
kind of. So like the whole thing about fasting for longevity,
no evidence, the whole thing about autoplogy, there's actually like
if you look at the research, starvation regulates the overall
bawblkotoplogy where everything is broken down indiscriminately. That's not the
selective orthoplogy that people want because like the idea is
you just break down everything that that's like not working optimally.
But if you're starving your body, it's not like I
need to imagine you lose your job, your source of incoming,
like I need to come come home and I'm gonna
renovate the whole house. No, you're like, shit, I need
to like stuck Netflix massages, you know, like dinners out.
Everything stops, so the body shuts down the nice to
have functions and then a lot of uh just said it,
like a lot of tissues just degenerated to turn it
into glugoles and sometimes key don't depending on the thing,
and so that's what happens. Dude, you know, meanwhile, all
this fat that's being released damaging the body, the metabolism
is lowered. So like the whole thing is a pipe
dream that's built on a house of cards of animal
research that is really really badly done because look, for example,
some of the initial research on easts, like how can
you like extrapolate east studies to freaking mammals, dude. And
then there was one in nematodes see Elegance, where it
actually turns out that if you starve that little nematode,
it actually goes into like some of like a suspended
state akain to like a hibernation. So like, yeah, it
can live twice as long, but like, dude, like we
don't hype, we're not hibernating animals. And then rats, and
then the rats that eat this trash, these pellets, Like
imagine you take this this animal is being poisoned with
like soybean oil when ground up, fish cuts and heads
and all this like shit, all this like the lab chop,
So imagine just just imagine it eats less less poison,
you give it less poison, you fasted. Well, maybe maybe
that's why they're actually living longer and they're less less
unhealthy because you're giving the animal is eating less poison.
So the animal research is basically not not enough for
us to say we should do this, and then the
human data probably will not have for decades, if if
we ever have it at all. So I would be
very careful.
Speaker 2: So it's better just to clean up down then then
then than to than to fast. One of the other
big things is carbs and everyone there's like a big
you know what's going on with carbs? And that was
honestly one of the biggest things I had to get
over with you. Is like when I first started working
with you, is like it reincorporating because I was like, oh, man,
I'm supposed to eat, I'm supposed to have a potato
like you know, like you know, like like like what
like what what's your take on on carbs and like
what's what's like a good healthy amount of cab versus
like what's what's bad carbs and stuff? Like you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So actually this surreminds me earlier. I wanted to
make the point so when when I was telling about it,
if I was a lizard person, how I would mess
you know, younger people up is actually when you look
at it. Uh, if all the guys that you kind
of convinced to not eat fruit and carbs and and
stuff like that. So we actually we know that low
carb diets actually increase cortisol. And no matter what way
you figure out to increase somebody's quarterso their the stosterone
basically is lower that they're almost like a ces. If
prtosol is high, the stosterone is lowered, even if there's
some and the resubmit the research is in the book,
like if you inject someone with hydrocordizone, that will lower
their tea. If you inject them with with insulin, which
clears the blood stream of glucose, which then requires cortso
to come in and raise the blood sugar, that also
lowers their their the stosterone. And by the way, intermittent
fasting studies, UH, even after four weeks testosterone is lowered,
and then two months it's lowered, and then up to
eleven months. They've done a few studies on that. So
in all those cases and in some cases like twenty
twenty five percent reduction after eight weeks in young healthy
men no less, you know, you know, college sort of
broke college kids do a lot of these studies.
Speaker 2: I was there. I used to get blow years.
Speaker 3: You gotta do what you gotta do. But yeah, so
so so yeah. So the other thing is so if
I can get a bunch of twenty something guys to
start doing kido carnivore like and brain washed that fructose
is a poison like alcohol. Well, the sperm, dude, the sperm.
Apparently this is kind of recently I figured I learned this.
The sperm used fructose for motility. And like a lot
of the cells in the testes, they actually use googles,
the lady cells, and so we actually like uh, in
many senses, it seems like eating a lot of fruit
those and like fruit and things like honey and stuff.
It's almost like a signal it's summertime. There's abundance. It's
okay now to produce because you have you know, you
eat excess from what just your base needs. So the
body is like, you know, it's actually okay to you know,
have a libido. I want to go and you know,
bang some cave chicks and procreate here. Things are safe.
Times are good. Times is not tough. So it's like
if you remove that, if you remove carbohydrates from a
person and you think about it. So the brain needs
maybe one hundred, one hundred and twenty grams a day
of glucose, The red blood cells needs thirty grounds, the
kidneys need some, and there's a lot of other like
the cells in the eyes and have clients that don't
don't keyto low carb for a while that there are
eyesight deteriorates, you know. So the body, if you remove
a lot of this carbohydrate source, the body will will
produce some it wi kind of like reduce some processes
that are nice to have that you know. So the
brain will get its share, the nervous system will get
its shair. But just like it down't regulates a lot
of kind of nice to have things like. So that's
kind of the rationale why even though you can produce
glucose in the body, it's not it's just and you know,
some of the kido people say there's no like glucose
is non essential, but they don't They don't probably understand
is glucose it's nutritionally non essential, but it doesn't mean
it's physiologically non essential, which means, yeah, you can produce
it if you have to, but if you don't have
it you're dead. It's similar with water, do it. Actually
you can make water from fat metabolic water in the body,
So technically water is nutritionally non essential, but we know that,
you know, if you get sufficiently dehydrated, you're screwed. You're dead.
So that's the thing. And especially this is especially bad
because at this if you go straight ol way into ketosis,
and now when you're producing ketones, a good portion of
sort of what the brain was gonna use glucose wise
can be satisfied by ketones. But you never, like, no
matter how deep into katosis you get, whether that's through fasting,
starvation or the diet, no matter how deep in kytosis
you are, you will always be producing glucose. But something
like I think like seventy percent sixty seventy percent is
the maximum that ketones can provide. So you're always like
doing that, you're always degenerating something, or at best, you're
turning the protein that you eat from the diet keto
diet into glucose, you know. But that's a very bad
that's a very bad deal because one hundred grounds of
protein is roughly going to get turned into fifty grounds
of glucose and to get one hundred grounds of protein
for meat, you have to eat probably I don't know,
at least like maybe three quarters of a pound of steak,
you know. So it's a lot of wasted, high quality protein.
So there's so many problems with this long term, now
short term, especially if you're young and healthy. Short term,
it's fine to mess around experiment with things, but I'm
talking about like we're talking about, you know, like you're,
you know, in your fifties, like I people that come
to me sometimes the world or sixties and sometimes in
the seventies. We have to do what's optimal for the
human for for a lifetime, not just like what's the
current fad, you know, atkins quido whatever, low fat. We
have to do what's right. Something you can do on
a daily basis that's easy enough to do, that will
support your health for the next you know, fifty years,
not until oh shit, Thanksgiving came and I got off
keto and then I ballooned all that weight came back
right back on in three months, you know, like that
that shit. When you're our age forty plus, like, you
don't have time for this nonsense. You just need to
find something that works. Keeps stress low in terms of
like you're cortoso and stuff like that, and then just
get used to that and then it gets a lot
easier and then just kind of go and live your
life because we, like most people, we don't have time
to like spend twelve hours a day figure out what
is optimum and laptist you know, like all the time,
and you just need to figure out huge system. This works,
do this, This will support you it, This will get
you eighty ninety percent of the way there and then
the rest, you know, supplements can help with that and
then you have a little bit of leeway. Then not everybody.
And just to answer your question, what carbs are good?
What carbs are bad? Really? Anything anything that's like a fruit,
honey like that kind of source, maple syrup, I think
white rice that has no fiber or very little fiber, potatoes.
These are all fine, and really the shitty carbs is
just anything that people actually consider carbs, you know, which
just pizza, yeah, you know, bread and grain, anything grain based,
anything with a lot of heeds, no matter the seeds, lentils,
all the stuff I have, I haven't eaten lentils in years.
Beans almost never unless we're have like my wife sometimes
makes you know, for hitters, tacos, like I'll have it
once in a while and then I'm farting half to
half the day later that day. So the bodies, the
body tells us. Just as a quick example, I had
one dude he signed up with me maybe I guess October,
and he was eating sixty to seventy percent of his
diet was vegetable. Was really cool guy. He's joining like
a lot of the calls. He's very active on the calls,
like twice a week at least some past three times
a week is coming. And I told him, get all
the shit out of your die. Bro He's like seventy three.
So I don't talk to him like that, you know.
But so anyway, didn't hear anything about the bloating and
the gas and the digestic problems. Very very quickly, then
we kind of we had other stuff like sleep and energy,
but everything started improving. And then I don't know, about
a month ago, he told me, oh, man, you know, Chris,
a few days ago, I had some broccoli. I'm like,
that's fine, I'm not gonna spanky or anything. How was it.
He's like it was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is because like imagine, like imagine like we
have brainwashed ourselves to like raw spinach and broccoli, is
that you just have to eat. Honestly, if your grandmother
had access to it, like great grandmother, if she had
access to it, it's probably okay. It's probably okay. So
honey fruits. I know, they had bread, and they had
like things that were kind of processed, and they had
like white sugar. But again, like we've lived with grains
if we believe they have all this history for like
ten thousand years, two thousand years, so people did not
have all these health problems. And sugar has been around
for like hundreds of years. So these health problems really
started when the oils and all these chemicals and the
food supply entered in the last one hundred and twenty
thirty years. So it's even like having some bread from
a non galifeh say it sort of organic source once
in a while should be okay. If everything else is
dialed in, you should be okay with some bread and
some sugar and wine and whatever. Like we we still
want to live. But if you got to get those
ninety ninety five percent, right, and then the last five
percent you do whatever you want. You know, you feel
like a little bit of you know, shops to Bager
Master and lines of coke off a dirty toilet sea
at the local bar on a Saturday night. You'll do
you you know what, I always tell people.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the quote, but that's gonna be that's
gonna that's gonna be the quote that that's gonna be
the thing that goes viral, how to live Longer and
how to live. But well, on that note, man, this
has been a great episode. I'm looking at the time
and being cognizant. I know you got a one o'clock
call here, so I'm let's wrap it up. Where can
people find you? And and uh and and if they
want to learn more or or I know you have
like a you know, like people can sign up and
have a spend a little get a little coaching call
from you, and get a little get a little time
with these stuff like where can people find you? And uh,
you know, obviously your books on Amazon, but if they
want to get in touch with you directly, or you know,
are interested in working with you or seeing if they'll
even be a good fit. How can how can they
get reach out?
Speaker 3: Appreciate it again? A lot of fun with your brother. Yeah,
so just the folks can go to Live Longer Formula
dot com have a free kind of masterclass there. Get
on my mating list. You can shoot me an email anytime.
There's a way to book a free cod with me
if you need to help otherwise. You know, the book
is on Amazon. Type my name in to your podcast
player and my my podcast will come up and there's
some good info there. And yeah, we're gonna have you
on on the podcast maybe in some time in February.
So I think I think, uh, you know, folks might
want to tune in for that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely And you know, we we had talked about too
maybe doing like an affiliate program. So if if you
are interested in working with Christian, we'll we'll at some
point we're gonna unveil a promo code where you can
get a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, yeah, yeah, and like to do that, like
I'll give you the link. But like if folks just
mention your name or the podcast, I'll look after them.
You know, absolutely no, no that you'll be looked after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm going to have everything in the show notes,
So if you're driving right now, you don't have to
pull over and write things down. Well, everything gonna be
in the show notes and linked up so you can
get in touch with Christian. He's a wealth of knowledge.
And like I said, I'm in the program and I
waited to have him on till I knew this was
Like you know, I knew it was legit right off
the rip, just just by the approach. But like you know,
it's absolutely worked for me, and it it literally was
a little overwhelming at first, right because it's it's a
lot coming at you, and it challenges a lot of
the beliefs and a lot of the programming that's been.
Speaker 3: Low labs as well. Yeah, at the same time.
Speaker 2: You're going to do the labs and then the answers
are right there, man, They're right in front of you,
and it's lab work. It's like these are these this
lab work? I don't know why, well I do know why,
but this should be every one of your primary should
be doing this stuff. Like you know what I mean,
if if they were really concerned with your health, and
I'm not saying that they're not, but you know what
I mean, if the health system was really concerned with
you being healthy. They'd focus more on prevention and doing
this type of lab work rather than just dealing with
symptoms after the fact. And it's that simple too, But dude,
I appreciate it. I'm going to talk to you soon,
and I gotta go. I gotta go to the studio
record vocals, so I'm not gonna be able to jump
on the call today, but I'm gonna be back on
the calls, man. And like I just I know, I
was like I was pretty heavy on them, and then
like I've been out the last couple but I've still
been doing it, man. Like, like I said, these changes
are like are just ingrained now and it's just part
of life.
Speaker 4: And it it's.
Speaker 2: Habited and it's easy. Man, Like you know, I lost
fifty pounds. I wasn't. I don't think I was hungry
once in the last three months, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like you, it's just and so many people eat more may.
Speaker 2: I've had to force myself and the thing forcing, I've
had to force myself to eat some protein stuff like
before bed or something. And I'm like, this is like
anti this is what goes against what everyone's telling you.
But then I'm sleeping better, you know what I mean,
and exactly due exactly it's why.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, like, not one person so far
I've worked well, I mean a couple. But let's say
from the last two hundred people I've worked with, maybe
one percent two three people. Maybe we're eating too much.
Most people actually eat very little. That's what Carnival low
carbon ketto do is all that fat and usually the
protein helps is just you feel satiated. So especially initially,
you just eat less. Spontaneously you eat less, and then
you remove the grains and the trash from the diet.
So really the magic of Carnivor and KTTO is you
eat cleaner and you eat less calories. But here's the
thing that only works for a little while, and then
then you paint yourself into a metabolic corner and then
shit happens. So that the idea is we want to
avoid the metabolism the body going to this kind of
stress mode as I call it in the book. We
want to like we want to give it signals of
a bus It becomes almost wasteful, Like a lot of
the energy you produce the way we eat, it's just
given off as heat. But that's really beneficial because how
many people with hypothyroidism come to me with cold hands
and they're always cold. I'm like, well, we will change
that sooner or later, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, And it just takes a little
bit of time. And for all the Patreon subscribers, I
have an extra copy of this book, I'm gonna be
giving it away to one of the Patreons. So if
you haven't already signed up, go to patreon dot com
Sash Big Truth check out my man, Christian. I'm gonna
have all the links in the show notes. And yeah, man,
this was a killer episode, dude. I appreciate you coming on,
and hopefully we get some people thinking about things and
really ready to get healthy in twenty twenty six, man,
because this year I'm going hard in the field, dude,
like I've already straightened out, Like I'm going hard business wise,
going hard health wise, and and you know, you know,
and you've been a big help with that, man, and
so I appreciate it. And I can't think of you
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