Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Wbzy Costs video.
Speaker 2: All right, we're through the weekend, and more drones have
Speaker 2: been cited over America, and more drones have been cited
Speaker 2: over more states. This all started a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: over the great state of New Jersey and it has
Speaker 2: spread to Pennsylvania and now New York and Connecticut and Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and I guess Rhode Island as well. And we're going
Speaker 2: to get to my guest in a moment. His name
Speaker 2: is tatsu Akada, and he is a journalist who has
Speaker 2: a long career in technology and things like artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: We want to see if we can get some information
Speaker 2: from Tatsuo as to what he thinks what he thinks
Speaker 2: is going on now. We attempted to talk about this
Speaker 2: last Thursday night, and for some reason, I think people
Speaker 2: didn't have any idea. Now I think we have a
Speaker 2: better idea. And there's all sorts of theories circulating on
Speaker 2: the internet. But let's deal with what the officials are saying.
Speaker 2: So here's Alejandro Majorcus. He's the head of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: Not for long, Alejandro, and he was questioned over the
Speaker 2: weekend about on ABC News and this is cut number ten, Rob.
Speaker 3: I want to assure the American public that we are
Speaker 3: on it. We are working in close coordination with state
Speaker 3: and local authorities, and it is critical, as we all
Speaker 3: have said for a number of years, that we need
Speaker 3: from Congress additional authorities to address the drone situation. Our
Speaker 3: authorities currently are limited and they are set to expire.
Speaker 3: We need them extended and expanded.
Speaker 4: What exactly do you need?
Speaker 3: We want state and local authorities to also have the
Speaker 3: ability to counter drone activity under federal supervision. That is
Speaker 3: one important element that we have requested, and we've heard
Speaker 3: it echoed by the state and local officials themselves.
Speaker 2: Doesn't answer the question what do you need? He just
Speaker 2: gives him a salad, a word salad. So Admiral Kirby,
Speaker 2: who's a spokesperson, is asked by one of the reporters
Speaker 2: in the pool at the White House about this dilemma
Speaker 2: because in the one hand, the government, the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: is ensuring us that there's no problem here, but we
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. I mean, the doctor said
Speaker 2: to you, if you know where, doctor said you felt badly,
Speaker 2: he really felt sick. And if he said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not we don't know what it is. We don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, but it's no problem. Why don't
Speaker 2: you just go ahead, uh and take the rest of
Speaker 2: the week off. So this is Kirby cut number seven.
Speaker 5: Rob Basically, with what you're looking at, how can you
Speaker 5: credibly tell people that there is no public safety threat,
Speaker 5: there's no national security threat, that there's no reason to
Speaker 5: believe it foreign government is involved.
Speaker 6: Because the analysis thus far in an investigation that is ongoing,
Speaker 6: has not revealed any national security or malicious intent or
Speaker 6: criminal activity. But Jackie, I would remind you we're at
Speaker 6: the beginning here, not the end. There's a lot more
Speaker 6: work to be done, and we're working closely with state
Speaker 6: and local authorities so gain more information. I would argue
Speaker 6: that it's we're moving pretty well here with a sense
Speaker 6: of energy to try to figure out what we can
Speaker 6: do to learn more about this we're at. We're still
Speaker 6: in the middle of an ongoing investigation, and I'm up
Speaker 6: here explaining to you and let you know what we
Speaker 6: know so far, what we believe so far. If information
Speaker 6: comes to light that changes that characterization, then my goodness,
Speaker 6: you will be the first ones to let you know.
Speaker 6: But right now, there's just no indication that this is
Speaker 6: some sort of form the line activity or in fact
Speaker 6: even criminal.
Speaker 2: Okay, a state representative from New Jersey, obviously a state
Speaker 2: which is more than familiar with the drones. He ripped
Speaker 2: John Kirby over this. This is State Representative Brian Bergen
Speaker 2: cut eight. Rob.
Speaker 7: That guy's an idiot that I can tell you right
Speaker 7: now because the colonel of the state police told the
Speaker 7: members of the state legislature that one of his helicopters
Speaker 7: was hovering above a six foot wide drone and he
Speaker 7: landed that helicopter because he felt unsafe for his pilots.
Speaker 7: I'm a former Apache helicopter pilot and a member of
Speaker 7: the New Jersey State Legislature, and I've seen these things
Speaker 7: in my own community. That guy, I don't even know
Speaker 7: his name, who was on here a couple of minutes ago,
Speaker 7: is a fool. If he's going to say that there's
Speaker 7: no issue.
Speaker 8: Well, he's a former rear a in the US Navy
Speaker 8: named John Kirby. So helicopter pilot again against John Admiral
Speaker 8: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, go Army beat Navy. That's what I
Speaker 2: have to say in this regard. Oh turned out Navy
Speaker 2: one over the weekend. Chris Christy, the former governor of
Speaker 2: New Jersey. He went after my orcis. Chris Christie is
Speaker 2: someone who's very honest, maybe sometimes too honest. This this
Speaker 2: will show you the debate that's going on. Cut number twelve.
Speaker 9: Rub I've been traveling around New Jersey as I normally do,
Speaker 9: all week and I can't tell you the number of
Speaker 9: people have called it to me, concerned about it, and
Speaker 9: that is.
Speaker 4: This a mass hystery of some sort.
Speaker 9: Well, here's why, George, because of answers, like the secretary
Speaker 9: just gave, they're not answering the questions.
Speaker 2: Well he said that.
Speaker 8: He said that they're monitoring, that they haven't seen any
Speaker 8: unusual activity, and they need more authority.
Speaker 9: Let me say something. I agree that they need more authority,
Speaker 9: but to not say that this is not that to
Speaker 9: say this is not unusual activity, it's just wrong. I've
Speaker 9: lived in New Jersey my whole life. This is the
Speaker 9: first time that I've noticed drones over my house. And
Speaker 9: I was in a restaurant in Mamma's County on Friday night,
Speaker 9: had people at the bar coming up to me and
Speaker 9: saying Governor Murphy won't tell me anything. The President won't
Speaker 9: tell me anything, do you know, Like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 9: but I will tell you this. I think this is
Speaker 9: what happens in our society now, George when because we're
Speaker 9: used to having things so rapidly. If you don't fill
Speaker 9: that vacuum, then all the conspiracy theories get filled in there.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is a pretty sharp guy. I've known
Speaker 2: him a little bit. Name is Tatsuit with Keda. It's
Speaker 2: an investigative journalist who is very smart. Tatsuo, give me
Speaker 2: a little bit of your background. You have a long
Speaker 2: career in technology. Just give us some idea about why
Speaker 2: I would bring you on tonight and talk about this.
Speaker 2: You've written about it, but again, I just wanted you
Speaker 2: to introduce yourself to my audience.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 4: And I have been definitely an investigative journalism just for
Speaker 4: a little while. But yes, my career is an it.
Speaker 4: I've been doing it for decades. And have you been
Speaker 4: helped in at certain points in his journey? I help
Speaker 4: small medium sized businesses universities manage their technology infrastructure, everything
Speaker 4: for networking servers, cloud stuff, hyper security, websites and app
Speaker 4: development and recently a lot of AI initiatives.
Speaker 2: So with that background, you can look at this with
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a CHRISTI yeah, the average person,
Speaker 2: what do you think is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I got together all the information I could gather,
Speaker 4: which is basically a lot of I was testimony that
Speaker 4: those are interesting uh cuts that you had there from officials.
Speaker 4: I think to tell right there is that two of
Speaker 4: them were requesting, you know, basically more authority over you know,
Speaker 4: versus let's say civil liberties. And I think I think
Speaker 4: the people in power understand that drone technology is somewhat
Speaker 4: disruptive to their own you know, surveillance of the citizen
Speaker 4: me So maybe this is one angle, not saying that's
Speaker 4: what it is, but the drones themselves. You can you
Speaker 4: can read some of this in my article on sub stack.
Speaker 4: If you just search for my name T A. T.
Speaker 4: S U Substack you'll probably sign it. But that that
Speaker 4: articles and a half hole. I've been doing some interesting
Speaker 4: research on the drones themselves, according to I when it's
Speaker 4: testimony and what they described, anything from six feet to
Speaker 4: the size of car size and STV to the size
Speaker 4: of a bus in a quad copture format doesn't exist,
Speaker 4: and for a number of reasons, what.
Speaker 2: Do you mean by cloude copture. That's the term I'm
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with.
Speaker 4: Sure, So your typical consumer like drone which has four
Speaker 4: propellers in an upright fashion, so it uses four propellers
Speaker 4: and server motors and and you know, gyroscope to balance,
Speaker 4: which has more power, so it tilts this way, turns
Speaker 4: that way, goes up and down. The other kind of
Speaker 4: drone that people could be familiar with are more military
Speaker 4: style drones. They look like on man helicopters. They can
Speaker 4: still be powered by propellers. But it decides there really
Speaker 4: isn't anything sixty wide except for passenger drones. You know,
Speaker 4: there's one company in the United States that makes one,
Speaker 4: and there's another company China that makes these manned quad
Speaker 4: copter drones, but they don't fit the use case because
Speaker 4: according to military sources US military sources, these things do
Speaker 4: not have a heat signature. So the technology required two
Speaker 4: have a drone that doesn't give off any heat is
Speaker 4: very high tech and doing it as something a size
Speaker 4: is kind of incredible. It also just the fact that
Speaker 4: the drones operated at night tells us the drones themselves
Speaker 4: have thermally, So you're talking about a drone that can
Speaker 4: see thermals but doesn't generate any thermals. It's like magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's so that might give us some
Speaker 2: insight as to what they might be looking for.
Speaker 4: It sounds to me, oh gee, what does that tell
Speaker 4: you in terms of I'm not.
Speaker 2: The experts, but it tells me they're looking for something
Speaker 2: that is on the ground that is hotter. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you would use a drone if you were looking
Speaker 2: for a lost child, you know, in a in a
Speaker 2: in the woods. I assume that's the way I would
Speaker 2: think you'd be using drones that, you know, if the
Speaker 2: child was lost at night. That's or you're looking for
Speaker 2: a suspect. The guy who escaped from the penitentiary of
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago in Pennsylvania. They couldn't catch
Speaker 2: him for ten or eleven days. Am I Am? I
Speaker 2: right or wrong on that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's definitely a potential use case that I
Speaker 4: hadn't even thought up myself, but a good one. And
Speaker 4: so you could be looking for a person, you could
Speaker 4: be looking for resources that give off heat. You know,
Speaker 4: it could be a giant man hunt. Some kind or child.
Speaker 2: That's that stresses that stretches the imagination because if it
Speaker 2: was a man hunt for a person, uh, the media
Speaker 2: would the government would know about it, and they would
Speaker 2: want to spread the word we're looking for if you see,
Speaker 2: you know, an escape prisoner. I mean, that's what that
Speaker 2: tell people. Keep keep your doors locked if you're looking
Speaker 2: for a child. Check check the sheds in your in
Speaker 2: your area in case some you know, teenager has has
Speaker 2: hidden there.
Speaker 4: I don't know unless yeah, sure, I mean it could
Speaker 4: be an asset that they don't want anyone to know about.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 4: The possibilities are are kind of endless, you know. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to describe which should be the profile of
Speaker 4: the drums themselves in it. In addition, you know, they
Speaker 4: have the ability to swarm the information, so that could
Speaker 4: be AI programming that could be standard you know swarm
Speaker 4: technology that you see them deployed in you know, the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, Olympic Games and events like that for shows.
Speaker 2: No idea all of the Yeah, but I don't think
Speaker 2: that that's what what they're doing in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night over New Jersey or Cape Cod. I mean
Speaker 2: there are people in the Cape who have said they
Speaker 2: have seen these now maybe some of them are mistaken
Speaker 2: or whatever. Let me do this tattoo. Let me take
Speaker 2: a quick break. Let me give our phone number. See
Speaker 2: if folks want to add to our conversation. And they again,
Speaker 2: we don't have the answer, but maybe we can hone
Speaker 2: down in on it a little bit. My name is
Speaker 2: Dan Ray. This is the Night Side. My guest is
Speaker 2: Tatsuo Akita. He is an investigative journalist with a great
Speaker 2: deal of background in a long career in technology up
Speaker 2: to an including artificial intelligence. I don't understand when the
Speaker 2: government says to me, we don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: but we know that it's nothing to be concerned about.
Speaker 2: Those two simultaneous answers cannot be reconciled because you cannot
Speaker 2: tell me there's nothing to be worried about if you
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Just makes common sense. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: What do you think? So what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 2: I know that there are some theories that I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily interested in getting into, but uh, this to me
Speaker 2: is the last month of the Biden administration, and I
Speaker 2: thought transparency was something this administration was going to provide us.
Speaker 2: I guess not. Back on Nights Side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
Speaker 1: Life Sense Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So I guess there is tatsu Keda. Let's get some
Speaker 2: phone calls, tats who probably there are more people out
Speaker 2: there know about this stuff, and certainly I do, and
Speaker 2: maybe they can pick your brain and we can figure
Speaker 2: this one out. Let me go to Bob and Boston. Bob,
Speaker 2: you're first appreciate you call it in first this week
Speaker 2: on Nights On, you're all my guests, Tatsuo with Cada,
Speaker 2: go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Hi, Dan, I Tattoo. I thought immediately right off the
Speaker 4: bat that this was a fear mongering tactic by the bureaucracy.
Speaker 4: Once again, it's nothing. It's just there's so much discord
Speaker 4: these days about not trusting the government, not trusting the science,
Speaker 4: not trusting anything. And for the federal government to come
Speaker 4: forward and say they don't know what's going on is
Speaker 4: it's blasphemy. Almost. It's understood that the private sector probably
Speaker 4: has technology, but we should know about it, because.
Speaker 2: Why would the government. Bobby in Europe Onion basically put
Speaker 2: themselves in that position of being held up to ridicule
Speaker 2: and contempt.
Speaker 4: Well, because what they're trying to do is see amonger
Speaker 4: and as Tattoo said earlier, is that they want control.
Speaker 4: And so the control is is that they keep the airways.
Speaker 4: They have control of where drones can fly. So if
Speaker 4: you're just a you know, a run of the mill
Speaker 4: guy with a ninety nine dollars drone, but you can
Speaker 4: get into some mischief, or you can get into some
Speaker 4: areas where they don't want you to have any sort
Speaker 4: of of technology. That's what it's all about. Dan, I
Speaker 4: don't like, I don't want to them off as a
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2: No no, no, you're not coming out, no no, and
Speaker 2: I'll get tattooed in here. In the second. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying is that this First of all, there were the
Speaker 2: two guys who a arrested at Logan Airport. They have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this. Why people Cinnario with drones
Speaker 2: while planes are coming into land at Logan Airport? Those
Speaker 2: people got a problem, okay, because if they ever caused
Speaker 2: an airplane to crash, I mean, hundreds of lives could
Speaker 2: be lost. So this should just like, you shouldn't have drones.
Speaker 2: You can't fly small planes over the White House. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe everybody would love to fly a small plane over
Speaker 2: the White House, but if one of them decides to
Speaker 2: have a bomb on it, they're drop in the White House,
Speaker 2: that'd be a problem. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: I mean, no, it's not that I don't I don't
Speaker 4: agree that there should be things camped down on these things.
Speaker 4: But but once again, why would the government come across
Speaker 4: like they know absolutely nothing. These things are as size
Speaker 4: of a piano and they're saying that they know nothing
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Let's let's see if Tatsu can can hone in on
Speaker 2: the point you're making. I think I understand what you're saying, Tatsu,
Speaker 2: you're you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate Ball's spots repect perspective here
Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, whether they do know or
Speaker 4: they don't know kind of doesn't matter. They're using the
Speaker 4: crisis to their advantage by you know, being able to
Speaker 4: have more regulations around Pavilian use of drones while not
Speaker 4: disclosing their own capabilities with drone technology. As I was
Speaker 4: saying before, the drones that people are describing do not exist.
Speaker 4: The technical specifications for the six foot drone would require
Speaker 4: a gasoline engine as used in industrial farming drones, which
Speaker 4: use two store up motors, and to scale that up
Speaker 4: to six feet from three feet, you would require an
Speaker 4: even louder engine. The noise level would go from like
Speaker 4: a weed whacker in the sky to the lawnmower in
Speaker 4: the sky, very loud. And you know who I was
Speaker 4: writing the course, So we're talking about a drone that
Speaker 4: is the capabilities of a gas powered fixed drone, but
Speaker 4: it's quiet as an electric drone and a quad quad
Speaker 4: conture arrangement. It doesn't exist, right, So and the only
Speaker 4: people who know about technologies that don't exist is the government,
Speaker 4: right in conjunction with the military contractors, the only drone.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of people right there, tattoo.
Speaker 2: I I mean, if I realized that military contractors can't
Speaker 2: say anything, I get it. But I'm assuming that even
Speaker 2: if you're a military contractor, you sometimes you know, have
Speaker 2: a beer with some friends or something. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how tightly they can tie
Speaker 2: up those people. I'm just I think the government looks
Speaker 2: incompetent here.
Speaker 4: And maybe intentionally. So you what intentionally? I mean, what
Speaker 4: what is the.
Speaker 2: Advantage, What is the advantage of looking incompetent intentionally? I
Speaker 2: don't get that.
Speaker 4: Incompetence versus malfeasance. Maybe you've heard of terms like positive denial,
Speaker 4: managed democracy, cambergarady, perception management.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if if we if we go over
Speaker 2: and and we sabotage a Russian oil pipeline, I don't
Speaker 2: want to know about it. If if that's in our
Speaker 2: interest to to to to hurt Russia's pipeline, and whether
Speaker 2: it's our guys or Germans or whoever it is, I
Speaker 2: don't need to know about it, do you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? But I just don't think we need to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've we've we've blown up that pipeline. But if if
Speaker 2: if they have stuff flying over homes and all of that,
Speaker 2: and they're they're going to say, well, it's not a threat,
Speaker 2: it's not a threat, but we don't really know what
Speaker 2: it is. Those statements are inherently inconsistent.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So it's to be maybe three things I
Speaker 4: actually don't know. Okay, very unlikely they do know, but
Speaker 4: they don't want to say and if they know it's
Speaker 4: either foreign or domestic, and they would have their reasons
Speaker 4: for not disclosing the motivations behind either of those.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it's foreign and then and I
Speaker 2: don't know. Let me take a break. We got the
Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the hour. Folks who like
Speaker 2: the join our conversation. I guess is tatsu Akaita. He knows.
Speaker 2: He knows a lot more about the technology of this
Speaker 2: stuff that I will ever know. Okay, I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to point out what I think are pretty obvious that
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get the game. My question
Speaker 2: if someone can explain to me why the government wants
Speaker 2: to make themselves look incompetent, I don't know. I've never
Speaker 2: known a government wanting to make themselves look incompetent. But
Speaker 2: we'll get back to that, and we'll take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Nine thirty News coming back on Nightside, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right back to the phones. My guest is tatsu
Speaker 2: A Keda, again a journalist, but deep background in technology,
Speaker 2: and that's why I've asked him to join us tonight.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to one of my best callers,
Speaker 2: and that is Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are next
Speaker 2: on nightside, say hell, well to.
Speaker 11: Hi Dantsu Tatsu. You have a background in technology, but
Speaker 11: that doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with drone that drone
Speaker 11: drone technology or does it?
Speaker 4: No, I'm familiar I operated drones before. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: not to familiar with the military style drones. I am
Speaker 4: familiar with farming style industrial drones. I can tell you
Speaker 4: about the power to the size ratio that you need
Speaker 4: as you scale up drone. For instance, one fact people
Speaker 4: might not know the size and weight of a drone
Speaker 4: is exponentially related to its power source. So if you
Speaker 4: have a two foot drone and you scale it up
Speaker 4: to a four foot drone, you need four times the power.
Speaker 11: And so so I'm getting the impression that the drones
Speaker 11: that we're seeing now you have never up until this point,
Speaker 11: this is the technology that you have did not know existed.
Speaker 11: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my impression. It's it's it's almost inconceivable device
Speaker 4: of this size and capability exists.
Speaker 11: So either the United States government or foreign government or
Speaker 11: an alien has got a drone source. It's so far
Speaker 11: it's extremely advanced. What is your speculation if you had
Speaker 11: to bet on it. You know, if you were at
Speaker 11: Las Vegas, what would be your bets do? What's going
Speaker 11: on here?
Speaker 4: I mean it could it could be new power source
Speaker 4: that you know, surpasses finally, gas technology, I mean battery
Speaker 4: even the latest generation lithium technologies are far less dense
Speaker 4: energy wise than gasoleene.
Speaker 11: But why would they be flying them all over the
Speaker 11: United States? What would be the purpose of that? Do
Speaker 11: you have any would you hazard a guess on that?
Speaker 4: I think you have to look back into history to
Speaker 4: get context or what's going on now. And the two
Speaker 4: the two communities on Reddit that have been talking very
Speaker 4: actively about this is our subreddit, our UFO and our
Speaker 4: Aviation and so they have very very very different views.
Speaker 4: The aviation community says, oh, these are just planes and
Speaker 4: people are making mistakes, and the UFO community is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: there's there's something definitely going on here. So but if
Speaker 4: you look at the way the US government has managed
Speaker 4: the UFO information stream over the past, what yeah, right?
Speaker 4: They They've always had this deceptive way of denying the
Speaker 4: UFO appearances or eyewitness accounts while behind the public's back
Speaker 4: studying the phenomenon for themselves.
Speaker 11: Well, my last question to you is Dan has mentioned
Speaker 11: this before. Do you think it's too early to panic?
Speaker 4: M hm uh uh to early to panic. I'm a
Speaker 4: very even killed guy, so you know, I don't see
Speaker 4: any drums of her mind place. So I'm doing okay.
Speaker 11: All right, that's very reassuring. Thanks Tatsu for all the information.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, appreciate the call. Good night. Let me go
Speaker 2: next too, John and Boston jog a redhead.
Speaker 10: Thank Dad, Tattoo. I've got a couple quick questions in
Speaker 10: front of mine.
Speaker 2: Too, Tattoo. That's John, go ahead.
Speaker 10: Yes, that's why I thought, I said, Tattoo. A friend
Speaker 10: of mine showed me some pictures he's former Air Force
Speaker 10: on the soft shore, shows a group of fifteen to
Speaker 10: twenty drones in the sky. If it wasn't for him,
Speaker 10: because I know he's in the Air Force, I wouldn't
Speaker 10: have believed it. The question is just a little bit
Speaker 10: of reading I've done on it. I know they have
Speaker 10: some way of detective frequency because the drones speak to
Speaker 10: one another from frequencies and they the jam is to
Speaker 10: jam the drones to bring them down. Why I'm they
Speaker 10: not using jammers now? Because they have the technology to
Speaker 10: do what they use the jam of SUPPOLSI and NFL
Speaker 10: stadiums to keep drones away. Why aren't they using jams
Speaker 10: to take the drones down to look at them?
Speaker 4: If you because you're an expert on that stuff, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, electronic warfare is standard s op. You know,
Speaker 4: in the Ukraine War, the Russians use it against Ukrainian
Speaker 4: drones and vice versa. In response to that, you might
Speaker 4: not know this, they do have fiber optic controlled drones
Speaker 4: which are impervious to jammers and electronic warfare technologies. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really disconcerting the information drops that we have getting
Speaker 4: from military sources. You know, the Air Force says, well, gosh,
Speaker 4: these things are you can't detect them. They have no
Speaker 4: heat signature. It's like how to how you do that?
Speaker 4: You know? But there's enough, there's enough visuals.
Speaker 10: Why wouldn't they fly a helicopter drop a net just
Speaker 10: to get one of them, just so they could check
Speaker 10: it out. That's what's confusing, because they obviously want people
Speaker 10: to know they're there and if someone's flying them, so
Speaker 10: why not fly a helicopter and drop some kind of
Speaker 10: net catch one, just one. All you need is one.
Speaker 4: I mean, the logical conclusion is that they don't want
Speaker 4: to capture one for whatever reason that they want disclosed, right,
Speaker 4: and they want you to know over there, which is weird,
Speaker 4: huh right right, So it's a it's a soft disclosure
Speaker 4: of sometimes you know, it's it's a show. I mean
Speaker 4: Trump that today. You know, the government knows what's happening.
Speaker 4: Our military knows where they took off from. If it's
Speaker 4: a grash, then go inside. I don't I don't know
Speaker 4: if you's me.
Speaker 2: I had the Trump I had the Trump sound bite
Speaker 2: from today. Tatsuo said, you just mentioned and I'd like
Speaker 2: to play it for the audience so they can tell
Speaker 2: what you're referring to in which I heard earlier. Rob.
Speaker 2: This is cut number twenty two on tonight's cut list,
Speaker 2: Cut twenty two President Trump earlier.
Speaker 8: Today, the government, the government knows what is happening. Look,
Speaker 8: our military knows where they took off from. If it's
Speaker 8: a garage, they can go right into that garage. They
Speaker 8: know where it came from and where it went. And
Speaker 8: for some reason they don't want to comment, and I
Speaker 8: think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our
Speaker 8: military knows and our president knows, and for some reason
Speaker 8: they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine
Speaker 8: it's the enemy, because it was the enemy they'd blasted out,
Speaker 8: even if they were late, they'd blasted.
Speaker 2: Something strange is going on.
Speaker 8: For some reason, they don't want to tell the people,
Speaker 8: and they should because the people are really I mean,
Speaker 8: they happen to be over Bedminster. We want to know
Speaker 8: that they're very they're very close to Bedminster. I think
Speaker 8: maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided
Speaker 8: to cancel my trip.
Speaker 5: Received intelligence briefing on the drones.
Speaker 2: I don't want to comment on that. That's an interesting
Speaker 2: response to the question that he didn't want to comment
Speaker 2: on that. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, telling the silent part out loud, saying mean language.
Speaker 2: So yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, John, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your call.
Speaker 4: Just one.
Speaker 10: But I wonder if if a jet or a plane
Speaker 10: ends up crashing because of this, if that'll get enough
Speaker 10: attention to that, they'll have to say something and it's
Speaker 10: I would take that you have to take it down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, or what about a smaller plane, is you know,
Speaker 2: you know, succeeder or something like that, A private jet.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. I still don't understand why the
Speaker 2: government is intentionally leaving me with the impression and that
Speaker 2: they either don't know, which is well again, which is
Speaker 2: pretty scary, or that they do know, but they're telling
Speaker 2: us at the same time there's nothing to be worried about. Well,
Speaker 2: if this's you can't not know and tell me there's
Speaker 2: nothing to be worried about. It's as simple as that,
Speaker 2: in my in my opinion, Thanks John.
Speaker 10: Maybe they should have the inaugurate inauguration inside then in
Speaker 10: so they know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see see Thanks much. All right,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get to Terry and Judy, And now my
Speaker 2: guest is tatsu Akada. Uh Tatsu certainly is sketching out
Speaker 2: a variety of possibilities. At some point I may try
Speaker 2: to pin him down in our final segment and say, hey,
Speaker 2: if you had to take a wild shot, what would
Speaker 2: it be. But we'll take a quick break on nights
Speaker 2: Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: But we heard this weekend there's some drones down over
Speaker 2: the Cape. Let's see if Terry from Harwich has spotted
Speaker 2: any of those drones down over the Cape Terry arm
Speaker 2: with Tatsu Akkada, go right ahead, Hi, Dan's.
Speaker 12: Good to talk to you. Tatsu, nice to meet you.
Speaker 12: So I have a couple of very interesting questions for you,
Speaker 12: because I do have a lot of information. Number one,
Speaker 12: the drones are different in size and I believe capabilities,
Speaker 12: but some of them in the last third of the
Speaker 12: of the design looks like it has a lounded disc,
Speaker 12: and because I'm a novice, I'm going to call it
Speaker 12: a satellite dish. Now my question is this, do they
Speaker 12: have the capacity to communicate to each other?
Speaker 4: That would make sense that they have. They need the
Speaker 4: technology to operate in a swarm like fashion because they
Speaker 4: have to do with the positions of all of them. Right,
Speaker 4: this solved, So yeah, they need to communicate. How that
Speaker 4: How that's done in the scenario, I don't know sure.
Speaker 12: So I'm going to take at another level and say,
Speaker 12: let's think that this is fiber optic run. Would it
Speaker 12: be possible to run those fiber optics with high powered
Speaker 12: electric currents?
Speaker 4: Uh biber epical cannot run electrical power sources. They can
Speaker 4: they run electrical signals, but ah.
Speaker 12: That's the key. Okay, So think about this for a second.
Speaker 4: Sorry, optical signals ahead.
Speaker 12: Perhaps we have a new communications system for people to
Speaker 12: buy drugs, to do illegal gambling, et cetera. And I
Speaker 12: believe strongly that the government knows exactly what's happening, but
Speaker 12: they're learning by they're intercepting the communication between the drones.
Speaker 12: How does that sound to you?
Speaker 4: Well, I think what you're alluding to in general is
Speaker 4: that we're describing a drone that almost defies physics itself.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's a reason why we don't have
Speaker 4: helicopters the size of a jumbo jet, right, physically impossible.
Speaker 4: If that size is that way, you cannot design a
Speaker 4: motor that would fit inside the helicopter to give enough
Speaker 4: thrust to get it off the ground, right, But they're.
Speaker 12: Not all that size.
Speaker 2: You gotta hold on here because I'm gonna let I
Speaker 2: got two more. I got to get in as well.
Speaker 2: You've asked some really good questions, and I think Tatsu
Speaker 2: was giving me some good answers. And if we had
Speaker 2: more time, your question is right, and tattoos answers might
Speaker 2: solve everything. But I got out the folks. I gotta
Speaker 2: grab a minute or so here as well.
Speaker 12: Okay, okay, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, y bye bye. I'm going to Judy and Boston.
Speaker 2: Judy your next on nights. I got to get room
Speaker 2: for you in one more. Go ahead, Judy, all right.
Speaker 13: So I just I'm actually at works, so I'm going
Speaker 13: to be super quick. So in September, Elon Musk commented
Speaker 13: about on the tweeted or x or something about drone
Speaker 13: war's coming. He has a huge military contract. He's also
Speaker 13: involved in the Trump administration. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. So he tweeted on.
Speaker 13: September thirtieth or so, like drome War's coming, right, and
Speaker 13: he is part of this Doge thing. He has a
Speaker 13: huge contract with the military and SpaceX and everything notes.
Speaker 2: So so why would the Biden administration keep that that
Speaker 2: out of play? I mean, if this Wass's project, why
Speaker 2: would they they just not? Why would the Biden administration
Speaker 2: protect Elon Musk?
Speaker 13: Why does he care?
Speaker 4: Uh, we got a month left.
Speaker 13: Why does he care? What's he doing at this.
Speaker 2: Talking about it? I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about his administration.
Speaker 13: Go ahead, but not even.
Speaker 2: Let me get tattoo in here because he's more he's
Speaker 2: smarter than I own this stuff. Go ahead, tattoo.
Speaker 4: Well about an administration itself, you know, going back to
Speaker 4: your themes of incompetence scanning, I think, uh, combined with
Speaker 4: sorry your guests opinion of why why not let it
Speaker 4: all out of the bag at this point, you know,
Speaker 4: either one to be possible to some degree. Uh. You know,
Speaker 4: my concern is that the technology, the physics sort of
Speaker 4: defies reality in terms of what people are describing the
Speaker 4: they're seeing in the skies. And and I'm not sure
Speaker 4: Elon Musk is the guy to deliver that kind of technology.
Speaker 4: Elon Musk is you know, looked up upon mostly for
Speaker 4: his wealth, but I personally don't have a high opinion
Speaker 4: of his companies or technology. They strike me as sort
Speaker 4: of technologically pedestrian. And except for maybe starlink and is
Speaker 4: rocket technology to some degree.
Speaker 2: Has been important, that's for sure. Oh, Judy, we'll leave
Speaker 2: it hanging out there. We don't have an answer for you,
Speaker 2: but I think it's a great question. Thank you so much.
Speaker 13: I mean, he tweeted, I mean he tweeted on September thirty.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we got that shorty, I want to get
Speaker 2: already told you, I told you I got to be
Speaker 2: fear of everybody. So I appreciate. I think you made
Speaker 2: it really well. I mean appreciate your call. Thanks, Judy.
Speaker 2: Let me go out. I got about a minute for you.
Speaker 2: I got jammed on time. You're the last call of
Speaker 2: what he got in a minute? Ol?
Speaker 4: Okay, can you get back to me after the commercial?
Speaker 2: Did nope? Nope, nope, nope. You got about forty five
Speaker 2: seconds out. I'm changing topics of ten twenty five second quickly.
Speaker 10: Nothing seconds there.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say that good night. Oult'll call earlier,
Speaker 2: al and I give you much more time. I want
Speaker 2: to thank my guest Tatsuo a Keda again. I think
Speaker 2: it's fascinating. Do you want to take a shot at
Speaker 2: what you think it'll eventure one one? Will we eventually
Speaker 2: be told this story is not going to go away.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll disappear. You tell me what where do you
Speaker 2: think it ends up? A month from now, Tatsuo.
Speaker 4: Well, it could be years. The twenty seven team UH
Speaker 4: marks the year that the US government changed their policy
Speaker 4: internally regarding public disclosure about UFOs, and so you might
Speaker 4: be saying some of the same themes here with military technologies.
Speaker 4: It's it's probably a military technology, and maybe it's maybe
Speaker 4: it's just a signal to to the entire world. You know,
Speaker 4: a you know, our our navy fleet is outdated, and
Speaker 4: you know our military needs fears your building. But hey,
Speaker 4: you know we got you on the ground front.
Speaker 2: That's who I enjoyed it very much. People could follow
Speaker 2: you in substack right easy.
Speaker 4: To find Tatsuos newsletter on substack.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, Dad, We'll talk soon. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks to do a great job. Appreciate it. To the calls,
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