WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:06.200 It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Wbzy Costs video. 2 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.720 All right, we're through the weekend, and more drones have 3 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:13.400 been cited over America, and more drones have been cited 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:17.079 over more states. This all started a few weeks ago 5 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.679 over the great state of New Jersey and it has 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:25.760 spread to Pennsylvania and now New York and Connecticut and Massachusetts, 7 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.679 and I guess Rhode Island as well. And we're going 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.200 to get to my guest in a moment. His name 9 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:37.479 is tatsu Akada, and he is a journalist who has 10 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.759 a long career in technology and things like artificial intelligence. 11 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:43.880 We want to see if we can get some information 12 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.520 from Tatsuo as to what he thinks what he thinks 13 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.560 is going on now. We attempted to talk about this 14 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.640 last Thursday night, and for some reason, I think people 15 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:58.119 didn't have any idea. Now I think we have a 16 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.320 better idea. And there's all sorts of theories circulating on 17 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:07.319 the internet. But let's deal with what the officials are saying. 18 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:12.719 So here's Alejandro Majorcus. He's the head of Homeland Security. 19 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.799 Not for long, Alejandro, and he was questioned over the 20 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:24.840 weekend about on ABC News and this is cut number ten, Rob. 21 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.159 I want to assure the American public that we are 22 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.719 on it. We are working in close coordination with state 23 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.200 and local authorities, and it is critical, as we all 24 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.799 have said for a number of years, that we need 25 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:44.879 from Congress additional authorities to address the drone situation. Our 26 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.079 authorities currently are limited and they are set to expire. 27 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.359 We need them extended and expanded. 28 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:52.920 What exactly do you need? 29 00:01:55.239 --> 00:02:00.400 We want state and local authorities to also have the 30 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:05.599 ability to counter drone activity under federal supervision. That is 31 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.120 one important element that we have requested, and we've heard 32 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.879 it echoed by the state and local officials themselves. 33 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.400 Doesn't answer the question what do you need? He just 34 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:24.360 gives him a salad, a word salad. So Admiral Kirby, 35 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.599 who's a spokesperson, is asked by one of the reporters 36 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:34.759 in the pool at the White House about this dilemma 37 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.159 because in the one hand, the government, the Biden administration, 38 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.919 is ensuring us that there's no problem here, but we 39 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.520 don't know what it is. I mean, the doctor said 40 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.599 to you, if you know where, doctor said you felt badly, 41 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.680 he really felt sick. And if he said, well, you know, 42 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:53.800 it's not we don't know what it is. We don't 43 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.520 know what it is, but it's no problem. Why don't 44 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.520 you just go ahead, uh and take the rest of 45 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.319 the week off. So this is Kirby cut number seven. 46 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:06.240 Rob Basically, with what you're looking at, how can you 47 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.199 credibly tell people that there is no public safety threat, 48 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.960 there's no national security threat, that there's no reason to 49 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.719 believe it foreign government is involved. 50 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:19.599 Because the analysis thus far in an investigation that is ongoing, 51 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.439 has not revealed any national security or malicious intent or 52 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.319 criminal activity. But Jackie, I would remind you we're at 53 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.680 the beginning here, not the end. There's a lot more 54 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.080 work to be done, and we're working closely with state 55 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.520 and local authorities so gain more information. I would argue 56 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.680 that it's we're moving pretty well here with a sense 57 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.759 of energy to try to figure out what we can 58 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.400 do to learn more about this we're at. We're still 59 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.479 in the middle of an ongoing investigation, and I'm up 60 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.680 here explaining to you and let you know what we 61 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.840 know so far, what we believe so far. If information 62 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.479 comes to light that changes that characterization, then my goodness, 63 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.080 you will be the first ones to let you know. 64 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.560 But right now, there's just no indication that this is 65 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.919 some sort of form the line activity or in fact 66 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:03.599 even criminal. 67 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:12.919 Okay, a state representative from New Jersey, obviously a state 68 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:18.199 which is more than familiar with the drones. He ripped 69 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.160 John Kirby over this. This is State Representative Brian Bergen 70 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:23.839 cut eight. Rob. 71 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.399 That guy's an idiot that I can tell you right 72 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.800 now because the colonel of the state police told the 73 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.720 members of the state legislature that one of his helicopters 74 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:40.480 was hovering above a six foot wide drone and he 75 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.800 landed that helicopter because he felt unsafe for his pilots. 76 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.959 I'm a former Apache helicopter pilot and a member of 77 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.839 the New Jersey State Legislature, and I've seen these things 78 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.519 in my own community. That guy, I don't even know 79 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.480 his name, who was on here a couple of minutes ago, 80 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:56.839 is a fool. If he's going to say that there's 81 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:57.519 no issue. 82 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.360 Well, he's a former rear a in the US Navy 83 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.879 named John Kirby. So helicopter pilot again against John Admiral 84 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:07.199 Go ahead. 85 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:08.920 Well, you know, go Army beat Navy. That's what I 86 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.879 have to say in this regard. Oh turned out Navy 87 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.160 one over the weekend. Chris Christy, the former governor of 88 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.160 New Jersey. He went after my orcis. Chris Christie is 89 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.800 someone who's very honest, maybe sometimes too honest. This this 90 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.040 will show you the debate that's going on. Cut number twelve. 91 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.279 Rub I've been traveling around New Jersey as I normally do, 92 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.759 all week and I can't tell you the number of 93 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.079 people have called it to me, concerned about it, and 94 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.120 that is. 95 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:35.879 This a mass hystery of some sort. 96 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:40.399 Well, here's why, George, because of answers, like the secretary 97 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.600 just gave, they're not answering the questions. 98 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:43.360 Well he said that. 99 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.800 He said that they're monitoring, that they haven't seen any 100 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.920 unusual activity, and they need more authority. 101 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.319 Let me say something. I agree that they need more authority, 102 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.519 but to not say that this is not that to 103 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.040 say this is not unusual activity, it's just wrong. I've 104 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:57.920 lived in New Jersey my whole life. This is the 105 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.800 first time that I've noticed drones over my house. And 106 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.800 I was in a restaurant in Mamma's County on Friday night, 107 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.120 had people at the bar coming up to me and 108 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.600 saying Governor Murphy won't tell me anything. The President won't 109 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.360 tell me anything, do you know, Like, well, I don't know, 110 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.360 but I will tell you this. I think this is 111 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.639 what happens in our society now, George when because we're 112 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.879 used to having things so rapidly. If you don't fill 113 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.480 that vacuum, then all the conspiracy theories get filled in there. 114 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:32.399 Joining me now is a pretty sharp guy. I've known 115 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.759 him a little bit. Name is Tatsuit with Keda. It's 116 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:41.560 an investigative journalist who is very smart. Tatsuo, give me 117 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.000 a little bit of your background. You have a long 118 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:48.240 career in technology. Just give us some idea about why 119 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.839 I would bring you on tonight and talk about this. 120 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.040 You've written about it, but again, I just wanted you 121 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.079 to introduce yourself to my audience. 122 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.680 Go ahead, Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on the show. 123 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:08.800 And I have been definitely an investigative journalism just for 124 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.959 a little while. But yes, my career is an it. 125 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:17.279 I've been doing it for decades. And have you been 126 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.879 helped in at certain points in his journey? I help 127 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:29.360 small medium sized businesses universities manage their technology infrastructure, everything 128 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:36.360 for networking servers, cloud stuff, hyper security, websites and app 129 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.040 development and recently a lot of AI initiatives. 130 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:47.000 So with that background, you can look at this with 131 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:53.959 a little bit more of a CHRISTI yeah, the average person, 132 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:54.959 what do you think is going on? 133 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.279 Well, yeah, I got together all the information I could gather, 134 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.399 which is basically a lot of I was testimony that 135 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.040 those are interesting uh cuts that you had there from officials. 136 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:14.199 I think to tell right there is that two of 137 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:21.240 them were requesting, you know, basically more authority over you know, 138 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:27.160 versus let's say civil liberties. And I think I think 139 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:31.759 the people in power understand that drone technology is somewhat 140 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:36.720 disruptive to their own you know, surveillance of the citizen 141 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:41.639 me So maybe this is one angle, not saying that's 142 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.120 what it is, but the drones themselves. You can you 143 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.759 can read some of this in my article on sub stack. 144 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:51.879 If you just search for my name T A. T. 145 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:58.879 S U Substack you'll probably sign it. But that that 146 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:03.080 articles and a half hole. I've been doing some interesting 147 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.360 research on the drones themselves, according to I when it's 148 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:12.159 testimony and what they described, anything from six feet to 149 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.559 the size of car size and STV to the size 150 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:20.240 of a bus in a quad copture format doesn't exist, 151 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.240 and for a number of reasons, what. 152 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.919 Do you mean by cloude copture. That's the term I'm 153 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:26.639 unfamiliar with. 154 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:32.600 Sure, So your typical consumer like drone which has four 155 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:40.120 propellers in an upright fashion, so it uses four propellers 156 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:45.679 and server motors and and you know, gyroscope to balance, 157 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.720 which has more power, so it tilts this way, turns 158 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.879 that way, goes up and down. The other kind of 159 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:57.120 drone that people could be familiar with are more military 160 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.519 style drones. They look like on man helicopters. They can 161 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:07.080 still be powered by propellers. But it decides there really 162 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:14.360 isn't anything sixty wide except for passenger drones. You know, 163 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.960 there's one company in the United States that makes one, 164 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:22.000 and there's another company China that makes these manned quad 165 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:27.919 copter drones, but they don't fit the use case because 166 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:34.120 according to military sources US military sources, these things do 167 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:40.519 not have a heat signature. So the technology required two 168 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:45.440 have a drone that doesn't give off any heat is 169 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.840 very high tech and doing it as something a size 170 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.080 is kind of incredible. It also just the fact that 171 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.159 the drones operated at night tells us the drones themselves 172 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.279 have thermally, So you're talking about a drone that can 173 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.120 see thermals but doesn't generate any thermals. It's like magic. 174 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.879 Yeah, okay, so that's so that might give us some 175 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:12.919 insight as to what they might be looking for. 176 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.240 It sounds to me, oh gee, what does that tell 177 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.000 you in terms of I'm not. 178 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.759 The experts, but it tells me they're looking for something 179 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.120 that is on the ground that is hotter. I mean, 180 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:28.840 if you would use a drone if you were looking 181 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.919 for a lost child, you know, in a in a 182 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.200 in the woods. I assume that's the way I would 183 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.840 think you'd be using drones that, you know, if the 184 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.480 child was lost at night. That's or you're looking for 185 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:44.200 a suspect. The guy who escaped from the penitentiary of 186 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.879 a couple of years ago in Pennsylvania. They couldn't catch 187 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.799 him for ten or eleven days. Am I Am? I 188 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:50.200 right or wrong on that? 189 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:54.000 Oh yeah, that's definitely a potential use case that I 190 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.519 hadn't even thought up myself, but a good one. And 191 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.480 so you could be looking for a person, you could 192 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.639 be looking for resources that give off heat. You know, 193 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:10.639 it could be a giant man hunt. Some kind or child. 194 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.759 That's that stresses that stretches the imagination because if it 195 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:18.919 was a man hunt for a person, uh, the media 196 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.320 would the government would know about it, and they would 197 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.559 want to spread the word we're looking for if you see, 198 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.200 you know, an escape prisoner. I mean, that's what that 199 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.399 tell people. Keep keep your doors locked if you're looking 200 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.039 for a child. Check check the sheds in your in 201 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.799 your area in case some you know, teenager has has 202 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:36.440 hidden there. 203 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:42.759 I don't know unless yeah, sure, I mean it could 204 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:47.039 be an asset that they don't want anyone to know about. 205 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:47.639 Right. 206 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:53.480 The possibilities are are kind of endless, you know. I'm 207 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:57.600 just trying to describe which should be the profile of 208 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.919 the drums themselves in it. In addition, you know, they 209 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:07.200 have the ability to swarm the information, so that could 210 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.120 be AI programming that could be standard you know swarm 211 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.679 technology that you see them deployed in you know, the 212 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:19.519 Super Bowl, Olympic Games and events like that for shows. 213 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.679 No idea all of the Yeah, but I don't think 214 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.679 that that's what what they're doing in the middle of 215 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:27.759 the night over New Jersey or Cape Cod. I mean 216 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.759 there are people in the Cape who have said they 217 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.240 have seen these now maybe some of them are mistaken 218 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.080 or whatever. Let me do this tattoo. Let me take 219 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.120 a quick break. Let me give our phone number. See 220 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.240 if folks want to add to our conversation. And they again, 221 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.720 we don't have the answer, but maybe we can hone 222 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.480 down in on it a little bit. My name is 223 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.360 Dan Ray. This is the Night Side. My guest is 224 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:51.440 Tatsuo Akita. He is an investigative journalist with a great 225 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.639 deal of background in a long career in technology up 226 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:00.120 to an including artificial intelligence. I don't understand when the 227 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.399 government says to me, we don't know what it is, 228 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.679 but we know that it's nothing to be concerned about. 229 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:12.759 Those two simultaneous answers cannot be reconciled because you cannot 230 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.320 tell me there's nothing to be worried about if you 231 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:19.639 don't know what it is. Just makes common sense. Six one, seven, two, five, 232 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.519 four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 233 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.200 What do you think? So what's going on? What's going on? 234 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.200 I know that there are some theories that I'm not 235 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:34.559 necessarily interested in getting into, but uh, this to me 236 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.720 is the last month of the Biden administration, and I 237 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.320 thought transparency was something this administration was going to provide us. 238 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:44.360 I guess not. Back on Nights Side after this. 239 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.679 Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World 240 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:53.159 Life Sense Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. 241 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.720 So I guess there is tatsu Keda. Let's get some 242 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.360 phone calls, tats who probably there are more people out 243 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.679 there know about this stuff, and certainly I do, and 244 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.519 maybe they can pick your brain and we can figure 245 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.679 this one out. Let me go to Bob and Boston. Bob, 246 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.559 you're first appreciate you call it in first this week 247 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.000 on Nights On, you're all my guests, Tatsuo with Cada, 248 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:12.879 go right ahead. 249 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:19.279 Hi, Dan, I Tattoo. I thought immediately right off the 250 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:23.759 bat that this was a fear mongering tactic by the bureaucracy. 251 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:32.480 Once again, it's nothing. It's just there's so much discord 252 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:36.759 these days about not trusting the government, not trusting the science, 253 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:41.080 not trusting anything. And for the federal government to come 254 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.600 forward and say they don't know what's going on is 255 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:51.679 it's blasphemy. Almost. It's understood that the private sector probably 256 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.840 has technology, but we should know about it, because. 257 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:02.840 Why would the government. Bobby in Europe Onion basically put 258 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.000 themselves in that position of being held up to ridicule 259 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.000 and contempt. 260 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.000 Well, because what they're trying to do is see amonger 261 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:16.879 and as Tattoo said earlier, is that they want control. 262 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.759 And so the control is is that they keep the airways. 263 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.320 They have control of where drones can fly. So if 264 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:27.600 you're just a you know, a run of the mill 265 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:31.200 guy with a ninety nine dollars drone, but you can 266 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.039 get into some mischief, or you can get into some 267 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.879 areas where they don't want you to have any sort 268 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.279 of of technology. That's what it's all about. Dan, I 269 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.399 don't like, I don't want to them off as a 270 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:45.600 conspiracy theorist. 271 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.279 No no, no, you're not coming out, no no, and 272 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.039 I'll get tattooed in here. In the second. What I'm 273 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.159 saying is that this First of all, there were the 274 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.240 two guys who a arrested at Logan Airport. They have 275 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.159 nothing to do with this. Why people Cinnario with drones 276 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.240 while planes are coming into land at Logan Airport? Those 277 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.200 people got a problem, okay, because if they ever caused 278 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.880 an airplane to crash, I mean, hundreds of lives could 279 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.680 be lost. So this should just like, you shouldn't have drones. 280 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.839 You can't fly small planes over the White House. You know, 281 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.200 maybe everybody would love to fly a small plane over 282 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.720 the White House, but if one of them decides to 283 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.480 have a bomb on it, they're drop in the White House, 284 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:27.200 that'd be a problem. Do you know what I'm saying? 285 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:31.480 I mean, no, it's not that I don't I don't 286 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:35.359 agree that there should be things camped down on these things. 287 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:41.759 But but once again, why would the government come across 288 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:46.000 like they know absolutely nothing. These things are as size 289 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.599 of a piano and they're saying that they know nothing 290 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:50.160 about it. 291 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.039 Let's let's see if Tatsu can can hone in on 292 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.799 the point you're making. I think I understand what you're saying, Tatsu, 293 00:17:58.920 --> 00:17:59.960 you're you. 294 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:06.039 I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate Ball's spots repect perspective here 295 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.519 in terms of, you know, whether they do know or 296 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.720 they don't know kind of doesn't matter. They're using the 297 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:17.039 crisis to their advantage by you know, being able to 298 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.359 have more regulations around Pavilian use of drones while not 299 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.960 disclosing their own capabilities with drone technology. As I was 300 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:32.000 saying before, the drones that people are describing do not exist. 301 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:38.279 The technical specifications for the six foot drone would require 302 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:43.279 a gasoline engine as used in industrial farming drones, which 303 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.200 use two store up motors, and to scale that up 304 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.440 to six feet from three feet, you would require an 305 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.680 even louder engine. The noise level would go from like 306 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:56.559 a weed whacker in the sky to the lawnmower in 307 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:04.960 the sky, very loud. And you know who I was 308 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.240 writing the course, So we're talking about a drone that 309 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.400 is the capabilities of a gas powered fixed drone, but 310 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.960 it's quiet as an electric drone and a quad quad 311 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:20.680 conture arrangement. It doesn't exist, right, So and the only 312 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:25.000 people who know about technologies that don't exist is the government, 313 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.880 right in conjunction with the military contractors, the only drone. 314 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.359 I mean, that's a lot of people right there, tattoo. 315 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.799 I I mean, if I realized that military contractors can't 316 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:39.720 say anything, I get it. But I'm assuming that even 317 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.880 if you're a military contractor, you sometimes you know, have 318 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.160 a beer with some friends or something. I don't know, 319 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:49.000 I mean, I don't know how tightly they can tie 320 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.119 up those people. I'm just I think the government looks 321 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:54.759 incompetent here. 322 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:02.720 And maybe intentionally. So you what intentionally? I mean, what 323 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:03.119 what is the. 324 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.599 Advantage, What is the advantage of looking incompetent intentionally? I 325 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:07.279 don't get that. 326 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:15.880 Incompetence versus malfeasance. Maybe you've heard of terms like positive denial, 327 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:22.160 managed democracy, cambergarady, perception management. 328 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.119 I mean, if if if we if we go over 329 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.680 and and we sabotage a Russian oil pipeline, I don't 330 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:32.599 want to know about it. If if that's in our 331 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:38.200 interest to to to to hurt Russia's pipeline, and whether 332 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:40.680 it's our guys or Germans or whoever it is, I 333 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.119 don't need to know about it, do you know what 334 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:48.400 I'm saying? But I just don't think we need to say, oh, yeah, 335 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.880 we've we've we've blown up that pipeline. But if if 336 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.839 if they have stuff flying over homes and all of that, 337 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.559 and they're they're going to say, well, it's not a threat, 338 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.240 it's not a threat, but we don't really know what 339 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.799 it is. Those statements are inherently inconsistent. 340 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:15.079 Right, Yeah, So it's to be maybe three things I 341 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.720 actually don't know. Okay, very unlikely they do know, but 342 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.519 they don't want to say and if they know it's 343 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:27.440 either foreign or domestic, and they would have their reasons 344 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.319 for not disclosing the motivations behind either of those. 345 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.519 Well, I'll tell you it's foreign and then and I 346 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.079 don't know. Let me take a break. We got the 347 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:39.559 news at the bottom of the hour. Folks who like 348 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:43.680 the join our conversation. I guess is tatsu Akaita. He knows. 349 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.000 He knows a lot more about the technology of this 350 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.839 stuff that I will ever know. Okay, I'm just trying 351 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.680 to point out what I think are pretty obvious that 352 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.240 I don't know. I don't get the game. My question 353 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.880 if someone can explain to me why the government wants 354 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:10.720 to make themselves look incompetent, I don't know. I've never 355 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.160 known a government wanting to make themselves look incompetent. But 356 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.039 we'll get back to that, and we'll take a quick break. 357 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:24.200 Nine thirty News coming back on Nightside, Boston's news radio. 358 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.480 All right back to the phones. My guest is tatsu 359 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:33.920 A Keda, again a journalist, but deep background in technology, 360 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.160 and that's why I've asked him to join us tonight. 361 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.240 Let me go next to one of my best callers, 362 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.599 and that is Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are next 363 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.480 on nightside, say hell, well to. 364 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:51.720 Hi Dantsu Tatsu. You have a background in technology, but 365 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.720 that doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with drone that drone 366 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:58.759 drone technology or does it? 367 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:07.039 No, I'm familiar I operated drones before. Uh, you know, 368 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.039 not to familiar with the military style drones. I am 369 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.920 familiar with farming style industrial drones. I can tell you 370 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.119 about the power to the size ratio that you need 371 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.039 as you scale up drone. For instance, one fact people 372 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:27.759 might not know the size and weight of a drone 373 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.880 is exponentially related to its power source. So if you 374 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.839 have a two foot drone and you scale it up 375 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.039 to a four foot drone, you need four times the power. 376 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.880 And so so I'm getting the impression that the drones 377 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.759 that we're seeing now you have never up until this point, 378 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.039 this is the technology that you have did not know existed. 379 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.319 Is that correct? 380 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:58.480 Yeah, that's my impression. It's it's it's almost inconceivable device 381 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.519 of this size and capability exists. 382 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.920 So either the United States government or foreign government or 383 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.880 an alien has got a drone source. It's so far 384 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:17.400 it's extremely advanced. What is your speculation if you had 385 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.720 to bet on it. You know, if you were at 386 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.440 Las Vegas, what would be your bets do? What's going 387 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:23.920 on here? 388 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.319 I mean it could it could be new power source 389 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:34.279 that you know, surpasses finally, gas technology, I mean battery 390 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:42.160 even the latest generation lithium technologies are far less dense 391 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:43.759 energy wise than gasoleene. 392 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.359 But why would they be flying them all over the 393 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.680 United States? What would be the purpose of that? Do 394 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.200 you have any would you hazard a guess on that? 395 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:58.039 I think you have to look back into history to 396 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:02.680 get context or what's going on now. And the two 397 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.400 the two communities on Reddit that have been talking very 398 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:12.440 actively about this is our subreddit, our UFO and our 399 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:18.559 Aviation and so they have very very very different views. 400 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.079 The aviation community says, oh, these are just planes and 401 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.440