WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:00.920 Give you away. 2 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.520 You go ahead, you go right ahead. 3 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:05.040 I'll attempt some kind of segue and you will pick 4 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:05.440 up on it. 5 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:07.080 I that's perfect, perfect. 6 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.480 Welcome everybody to the Ricochet Podcast. James Lilyx is off today, 7 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.559 as is Charlie Cook. Is Steve Hayward joined by Rob Long. 8 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.640 Yeah what does that mean? Like, so what happens? 9 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.120 James sick? And then you call Charlie and charlis I'm 10 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.440 not doing it and you're like, well, yeah, who did 11 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:27.839 we get? 12 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:30.839 That's the wrong opening note? Rob, Sorry, it's that I'm 13 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.280 trying to do a little fifteen second one. Sorry, that's 14 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:44.119 all right, you're rusty, right. Welcome everybody to the Ricochet Podcast. 15 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.359 It's Steve Hayward sitting in for James Lylyx, who is 16 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:47.159 out today. 17 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.960 As is Charlie Cook. Joining us is Rob Long. So 18 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:52.479 let's have ourselves a podcast. 19 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.200 Keep this this is real. 20 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:59.079 Yeah, it's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and seventy five. 21 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.159 And as James always wants us to remind you, please 22 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.400 join Ricochet at ricochet dot com. 23 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:05.519 It's not expensive. 24 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:09.480 Join the most stimulating conversations on the web. James is 25 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.760 under the weather. I think Charles is out somewhere. I'm 26 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:14.799 a little under the weather, So I apologize for my 27 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:18.799 scratchy voice, but we managed to scrounge up Rob Long. 28 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.000 Scratch a right, you know what, you need to work 29 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:24.599 on this because like like, well, you know, James is 30 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.760 sick and Charlie's who knows where Charlie is? So I 31 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.959 don't know. We got Yeah, we put out an all apb. 32 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.560 We get this clown in. You know, maybe special guests. 33 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.959 You could say we are well, I could you're under 34 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:38.760 the weather. I get it. 35 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.719 Well, I mean I think of it this way. Rob 36 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.359 is uh. 37 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.079 You know, I pick up the news every day. I'm 38 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:45.760 on the road this week, so a little less news, 39 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.519 but you know the good, the bad, the crazy, and 40 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.319 I often think that you know, at least Rob Long 41 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.480 has a blessed existence in a monastic occupation at the moment. 42 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:57.599 You probably missed some of this craziness. 43 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.280 Now, yeah, I wouldn't call it a monastic you don't. 44 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.959 We're like this sponsored or the seminary was created by 45 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.439 very stern Presbyterians. 46 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.599 But they weren't that stern, right right right, Yeah, Well, 47 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:15.319 Presbyterianism and monasticism don't often go together in the same sentence, 48 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.319 but that was our last podcast together. 49 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.520 Yeah, we don't have to go back through that, yeah, right, right, right. 50 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.960 So well today there is a whole lot in the news. 51 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.360 So you know, I have been predicting for years item 52 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.319 number one, that eventually what was going to turn back 53 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.599 a lot of the really extreme transgender craziness and I mean, 54 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.159 frankly what I think, mutilating children and young teens. That 55 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.400 the trial lawyers were going to rescue us from this 56 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.639 because you would have and you know, we know there's 57 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.560 a significant number of people who regretted making a transition 58 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.800 and want to de transition, and I thought they're going 59 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.360 to sue for malpractice. And one reason I think this, 60 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.159 just very briefly, is I am familiar. Don't ask me 61 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.439 how because it was a confidential settlement with NDAs. But 62 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.800 some years ago I'm aware of a lawsuit brought against 63 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.479 an abortion provider by someone who got an abortion as 64 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:08.639 a teen with the usual no parental notification because that 65 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:13.439 was always right and it was a look, they did 66 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.719 not counsel me of the psychological risks of having an abortion, 67 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.080 which you know a lot of young women they regret 68 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.039 having done it, and sometimes there's trauma and ball. Okay, Well, 69 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.680 the abortion provider settled very quickly because they did not 70 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.240 want this to be spread around, right, And I think 71 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.000 most people who think of a suit either against these 72 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.879 transgender surgeries or even abortion, they don't really want to 73 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.000 go through a trial either, because that's painful and difficult. 74 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.120 But the object is that the lawyers who brought the 75 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.520 case was let's make certain abortion providers uninsurable. And so 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:50.680 I'm wondering if that's what's going to happen now with 77 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:51.840 the transgender business. 78 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:52.759 Well, it could happen. 79 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:53.800 It also can happen naturally. 80 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.639 It's not as if it's not as if this stuff 81 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.199 isn't already controversial, even in the context of the people 82 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.159 who've been performing it. You know, the entire clinic, the 83 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.840 Tavistaw Clinic in Britain, which is one of them. First 84 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.479 of all, one of the most famous psychoanalytic institutes in 85 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.319 the world, if not the most famous. I think Freud 86 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.160 taught there. So this is the most establishment place there is. 87 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.160 And they did this kind of therapy and this kind 88 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:19.959 of and they not I don't think they did the surgery, 89 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.319 but they they authorized the surgery on minors and the 90 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.040 and the hormone therapy and all that stuff, and they 91 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.000 not only decided to stop doing it, but I think 92 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.879 a year later they closed the entire thing. 93 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.639 And it wasn't because of pressure. 94 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.920 From you know, some I don't know what, you know, 95 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.360 social conservative It was out of this genuine feeling that 96 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.480 maybe they haven't been making a mistake. 97 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:45.720 And they were very careful. 98 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:49.240 They didn't say we're against this in general, or we 99 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:50.759 don't think that you should be allowed to do this 100 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.160 if you if you feel it's necessary or whatever. I don't, 101 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.199 I don't know, but they did say that not for kids, right, 102 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:06.279 and that I mean, that doesn't seem like an outrageous criterion, 103 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.879 which is you got to be eighteen or nineteen. 104 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:10.240 Right, right? Yes? 105 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:11.240 Uh. Well. 106 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.600 The other aspect of this is I think we now 107 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.759 have pretty good data that there's an aspect of social 108 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.879 contagion going on here. And it's kind of lumpy, right, 109 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:21.920 it tends to because why is it so high in 110 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.800 bel Air and Cambridge, Massachusetts and not in. 111 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:26.519 Peoria, right right? Uh? 112 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.439 And it does remind me joke Bill Bill Maher said 113 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.480 that he says like yeah. 114 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.759 Right, uh, and I mean I'm sure, yeah, you'll remember 115 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.720 that was it thirty years ago? Now, you had this outbreak, 116 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.240 outbreak epidemic of anorexia and bilimia among young women, right, 117 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.439 and that that clearly had a contaging effect. 118 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.800 There wasn't some and there's no epidemic. 119 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.439 I mean, that's not caused by a virus or something, right, right, 120 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.839 And but it just you know, a group think and 121 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.439 so forth. On the other hand, I think, uh, you know, 122 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.399 the identitarians as I call them, one more thought about that, 123 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.560 and but you may agree with me at this. 124 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:07.120 I do know four or five transgender individuals, men who 125 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.199 change teams, as I like to put it, but all 126 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.519 in adulthood, some of them far into adulthood. 127 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.600 Right, And you know they all, by the way, most 128 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.000 of them are not down with the you know, I 129 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:19.720 can go in any bathroom I want and sort of 130 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:24.319 aggressiveness of it, right, quite the opposite. And most of 131 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.519 them are either conservative or libertarian. And they all say 132 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.040 the same thing. You know, I thought I would be 133 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.399 happier as the other thing, and I am. And so 134 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.639 I take that and respect it. It's rare but real, 135 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.560 and I think probably one a typical of the identitarian 136 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.000 left of taking it too far. They're actually going to 137 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.240 make it harder for people who really do have genuine 138 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.959 gender dysphoria. 139 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:52.399 Yeah, I think that's probably true. 140 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.000 I mean, I find the whole thing so bad, Like anyway, 141 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:00.680 because of the I'm trying to be nicer. I wrote 142 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.639 a I wrote a piece for commentary. It's gonna be 143 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.439 out next week, and I put in a story that's 144 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.920 true with a joke at the end. And I'm sure 145 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:08.240 I'm gonna trouble. 146 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:09.079 For you know, Like. 147 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.519 I have a friend who is in the has been 148 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.199 the fashion sort of retail fashion business for a long time. 149 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.040 He's very well known guys for a bunch of books, 150 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:19.360 and you know his joke as he goes. You know, 151 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.160 a lot of these you know, these guys just you know, 152 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.319 they think they're going to become women. And it's like, well, 153 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.680 wait a minute, think about this, like what is your 154 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.199 summer Look? You know, you it isn't just this thing 155 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:32.759 where you just wake up one day and you get 156 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.160 to you know, and you got all you're thinking about 157 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:35.720 these things because but women have been thinking about these 158 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:36.279 things forever. 159 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:39.600 And I suspect that that is. 160 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.319 But you know, some some of the old some of 161 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.959 the older gentlemen, the older meaning you know, in their 162 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.079 in their grown up phase, who've decided to do this. 163 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.879 You know, I don't. I'm not sure they at this point. 164 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.040 I'm sure they trade it up in the looks department, 165 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:58.800 you know. Yeah, And but but again, that is entirely, 166 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.240 entirely up to them. And I celebrate the courage it 167 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.480 takes to make a change like that, and I hope 168 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.480 that they have equal courage if they if they regret it, 169 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.199 that there's the equal embrace of their changing back. 170 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:14.160 I think that happens too. 171 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.720 It doesn't have to, but it can. And in general, 172 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.319 you know, I think when you're grown up, I mean fine, 173 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.920 and I think there is a certain and I don't 174 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.160 I'm not. I am not, by no means am I 175 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.320 questioning the good faith of the people who have having 176 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.240 this done or doing this themselves, which is crucial. They're 177 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:40.159 doing to themselves, which is fine. But you know, some 178 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:46.000 of it does feel a little like a very very 179 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:52.159 rich society and a very very privileged group. And we 180 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.759 all are, i mean, just by being Americans in twenty 181 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.240 twenty six, we're incredibly rich. 182 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:59.320 It's just kind of like, well, I can do this, 183 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:02.960 I can do it, so why not you. 184 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.120 Know, well, we've also, I mean we Something that I 185 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:11.159 think is never made distinct is that it's one thing 186 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.000 to just cross dress, right, you know, I want to 187 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.360 wear a dress and call myself a woman. And that's 188 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.559 another thing to go all the way, shall we say, 189 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.279 right and have surgeries use modern medicine. And it reminds 190 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:26.200 me of the old breakfast joke that the chicken is involved, 191 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.600 but the pig is committed, right, So you know, the 192 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.080 people go all the way, they really can't switch back 193 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:32.799 very easily. 194 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.240 I don't think I don't you know, I don't. 195 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.000 Yeah, And I think we're not being honest to them either. 196 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.000 They are not switching to something they really aren't. It's 197 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:45.000 really just a more a closer visual approximation of what 198 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.120 they want. But they aren't able to do the thing. 199 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.960 You know, if you become a woman, you don't have 200 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.799 a uterus, you can't have children, you don't you don't 201 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.480 have you don't menstruate. And then there's also the truth 202 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:55.840 part of it is I have a friend of mine 203 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.360 who's very done, She's been doing this kind of researching 204 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.559 a long time and she he says, you know what, 205 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.799 they don't tell people is that you will not be 206 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.720 able to experience sexual pleasure, right right, Yeah, So this 207 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:08.960 if the if you're drawn to that, if this is 208 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.960 somehow these things and look, we're all kind of wired 209 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.320 in some weird way with God knows. I wouldn't want 210 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:14.559 to look under the hood of your head, you wouldn't 211 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.480 want look at ah of mine. But if that, if 212 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.600 that is part of what's happening here, then you're going 213 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:24.519 to be really disappointed. Yeah. Also this when you try 214 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.360 to buy shoes, I think that's the only thing that's 215 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:28.039 that's not going to be a good. 216 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.080 Right, Well, one last serious point and then take a 217 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.080 wide angle lens look at a broader scene. I do 218 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.919 know that apparently one bar to more malpractice use is 219 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.720 statutes of limitation. Now I'm an expert on this, but 220 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.960 I do know that when starting thirty years ago, you 221 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.679 had all the explosion of the scandals of sex abuse 222 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.399 by Catholic priests, the boy Scouts and so forth, that 223 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.720 a lot of states ran out and extended there's statute 224 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.360 of limitations for those kinds of claims. And we'll have 225 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.960 to keep track on whether that happens here. I suspect 226 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:03.960 it might in some states. 227 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.559 I agree, I agree. I think also I feel like 228 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.879 that I would say to those people on the pro 229 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.080 side or on the sort of continuing to perform these 230 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.679 things from miners, is that if you want to look 231 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.279 and see what can happen to a to may be 232 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.919 the most the most venerable, strongest institution and earth has 233 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.000 ever known in the Catholic Church, take a look, and 234 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:33.200 that will happen to the psychiatric or the psychological industry, 235 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.440 and that all those institutions if this keeps going on. 236 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:40.559 Yeah, I think that's right. So more broadly, I think 237 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:41.879 that what I call the. 238 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.039 Identitarians, which is this and the whole sort of Dei world, 239 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.320 it's pretty evident to me they are digging in, thinking 240 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.639 if we can survive three more years of Trump, which 241 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.279 will seem like twenty years, right, because you measure Trump 242 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.000 and dog years if you're on the left, right, doesn't 243 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.840 seem every day a want. And they're digging in, and 244 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.200 you know they're disguising the Dei stuff on campus. 245 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:04.559 That's what I follow the most. 246 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:10.200 Closely, and and I don't keep want to don't want 247 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.720 to keep beating this dead horse. But the identitarianism business 248 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.840 has always been sort of the extreme of the idea 249 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.600 of liberal autonomy, of self definition, self creation, totally unmoored 250 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.519 with you know, tradition, history, human nature and the wilfulness 251 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.399 of it is what makes them, I think, so angry 252 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.639 and aggressive in a lot of domains, and so they're 253 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:31.320 not going to go away easily even after just one 254 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.080 or two lawsuits, is my expectation. 255 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.120 I think that might might be the case. 256 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.360 On the other hand, once you've once you've cracked, these 257 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.799 things only really work in their sort of mob intimidation, 258 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.799 like if you don't if you don't do this, we're 259 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.240 going to punish you in all these different ways. Once 260 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.799 that's broken, it's really hard to scare people again. And 261 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.960 you're already seeing it in colleges, like college is sort 262 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:55.120 of the. 263 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:56.799 Bell weather, Right. This all happened a while ago. 264 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.120 People perfectly happy sending their kids to a school that 265 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.639 doesn't that doesn't necessarily have the same cachet, the same 266 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.480 name as a school as a school might have had 267 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.720 ten or fifteen years ago. Now, I think this is 268 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.399 all gonna take a long time. Yeah, but I'm not 269 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.679 sure it's I'm not sure it's a slam dunk for 270 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.559 the weighted out the playing possum, waiting it out weighted outers. 271 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.120 I mean, look, if we could, if we all survived 272 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:24.480 three more years of Trump, that great. 273 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.279 I mean, I'm not sure I'm going to survive. 274 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:31.440 Let alone, let alone the left. But my guess is 275 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.679 that these these only work if you could point to 276 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.840 everyone to say everyone's doing it, and you'll be can 277 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.240 roundly condemned if you don't. 278 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:40.000 I'm not sure they can do that anymore. 279 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.000 Right, Well, you know, one indicator is always comics, right, 280 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.759 And I mean I get a lot of social media feeds. 281 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:46.840 Like you do. 282 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.679 And you know, there are always a few comedians who 283 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.159 would make fun of this business, but lately I've been 284 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.120 seeing a lot more of them do it right. Yeah, right, 285 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.679 and and they bust up the audience. It's pretty clear 286 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.559 that the you know, okay, and that got significant. Well 287 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:08.519 in other news that is overlaps, maybe a little another 288 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.879 batch of Epstein files here the last few days. I 289 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:12.600 hope you got I hope you got to miss that 290 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:13.879 Robert of that catch up with you. 291 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.720 Also, no, no, that's like no one's talking about of course. 292 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:18.720 I think that's the most amazing thing about being in 293 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:20.960 seminary is that no one is talking about the news 294 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.639 in any at any point, they'll make you know some 295 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.399 of the people who are on the left, which a 296 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.559 lot of a lot of them, will make you know. 297 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.240 They'll make these oblique represents, you know, in these troubled times, 298 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:31.919 which so do we get all we've always been able 299 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.399 to say. But I am, of course obsessed with it. 300 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.120 And because it's to me what I find, I'm such 301 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.200 a Pollyannist weirdo. I just assumed that all of this 302 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:44.879 talk about how Epstein's network was so big and you 303 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.960 knew everybody and all that stuff, that was like a 304 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.559 lot of nonsense, Like really, I don't think that really happens. 305 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.559 And then you go on these email list and it's 306 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:59.480 extraordinary how much I mean, his full time job, Look, 307 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.720 I might box right now is like twenty emails. I'm 308 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:06.840 late on returning his He seems to be doing nothing 309 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.720 but on the phone all day. Like I mean, that's 310 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.000 that would be my defense where he where his lawyer 311 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.360 if he were alive and he were facing you know, 312 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.440 more assault charge than's it? When did he have time, 313 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.639 ladies jumping the jury between eleven eleven and eleven twenty three, 314 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.120 When the when the plaintiffs insists he was attacking her. 315 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:29.879 He was actually setting nine emails, like we could see, 316 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.840 like the guy seemed to be doing nothing with that. 317 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.240 So but it is interesting. It is interesting. 318 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:35.840 Yeah. 319 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:40.519 I mean I instinctively resist frothy conspiracy theories, and you know, 320 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.759 I want to really be proven. And on the other hand, 321 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.279 I noticed the same thing. How did he make his 322 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.000 money when he's spending all his time being social chairman 323 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.480 seemingly twenty four to seven and it had cost him 324 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:54.919 a lot of money to do all that too. So 325 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.320 I mean a few things have leaked out. I mean, 326 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.639 he really droves some hard bargains, evenly squeezed some people. 327 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:01.919 He frauded some people. The New York Times had a 328 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.559 pretty good story on a dive a couple of months 329 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.879 ago or a month ago, and it really detailed that 330 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.759 he was a sharpeither. Okay, but it's still I don't know, 331 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.720 it still seems so out of proportion. I do kind 332 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.519 of wish it would all go away. Although last thing, 333 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.080 maybe you, I don't know if you caught this. I 334 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.240 think it was maybe Bill Marshow last Friday night. I've 335 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.240 just read about it. But he said, where does QAnon 336 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.039 go to get its apology, right. I mean, I don't 337 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.840 know if you know all the QAnon stories, and you 338 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:29.840 know they're way out there. I mean I met someone 339 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:31.600 once who said, this is, you know, eight or nine 340 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.159 years ago, right that you know there is this organized 341 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:34.919 pedophile ring. 342 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.480 Forget the pizza shop. There's tunnels that start from a 343 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.679 mile underneath a Denver airport to go all over the country, 344 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:43.120 and that's where the trafficking is going on. 345 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.399 I just you know, I mean, you know, I'd rather 346 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.759 how about we talk about Kim Trail something more sensible just. 347 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.919 The way I can see, right, right, Well, yeah, I 348 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.679 think that. Well, I mean, you know, it doesn't seem 349 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.840 like it requires much of a conspiracy. 350 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.000 It's just rich people and a guy. 351 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.320 What's interesting to me is that he is Epstein really 352 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:08.359 is a classic character you've seen in fiction and in 353 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:13.920 plays and stuff. He's every single person he is emailing with, 354 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:21.680 he despises, he hates everybody, and if the great tragedy 355 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.680 of his life I think for him was that he 356 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:28.319 committed suicide before he could see the destruction that he created. 357 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.160 It isn't as if this guy, there's not one of 358 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.039 those emails in which he's genuinely concerned for a friend 359 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:34.799 or anything. 360 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.720 I mean, look, even the worst. 361 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.359 People, you know, even Hitler was nice to his dog. 362 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:44.160 Right this he seems like all he a lifetime of 363 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:49.359 resentment and anger and he hates these guys more than anything. 364 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.640 And and I think that drove it. I mean, it's 365 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:54.720 very it's very the worst thing about it for me 366 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.920 is that there's no index like the No One's index 367 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.440 that so you can search on the web. When when 368 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.440 the North Koreans hacked the Sony emails, yeah, and then 369 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.319 Wiki Leaks put it on the web and you could 370 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.839 you could like search for your name and if you ever, 371 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:12.880 if you had, like I did some stuff at Disney, 372 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.000 I mean at Sony in those years, and so I 373 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.640 went and looked for my name because I could see 374 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.160 what the business affairs people were emailing to each other 375 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.359 back and forth about my contract and this and that. 376 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.200 It was really fascinating, but they were kind of like 377 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.839 they weren't really lying. There was one moment where it 378 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:29.759 was like, oh, I got it, I see what you 379 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.920 guys are up to. But mostly, you know, people even 380 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.519 in emails, they're not twirling their mustache. But this guy 381 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.000 and I don't think he is either, but you could 382 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:43.680 tell that there's just he just he's a this is 383 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.000 I think were he alive today, he would not be 384 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:55.440 disappointed at the wholesale reputational destruction that he has created. 385 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:57.640 Yeah, you know, I had not picked up on that 386 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.200 angle of it, Rob, I have to confess that there's 387 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.440 sort of malice there born of you know, anger and 388 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:03.359 resentment and whatever. 389 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.160 I miss that, but yeah, I did enjoy. 390 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.000 I mean, I have not been calling through these things, 391 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.200 but you can't avoid some of it. Boy, what the 392 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:17.039 Allen sure turns up a lot? Yeah, emails right, wanting 393 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.279 Epstein to broker you know, small bit parts. 394 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.240 In his movies, and you know, I meet all kinds 395 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:22.960 of crazy stuff. 396 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.319 Yeah, I mean I think but Epstein kind of knew. 397 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:26.359 I mean like the devil. 398 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:26.799 The devil. 399 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.839 Uh, the devil always appears to you as a solution. 400 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.799 Yeah right, it's whatever your weaknesses is what the Devil's 401 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:35.519