Speaker 1: It's nice side with Dan Ray w Bzy Koston's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, ballid Question one, which we have talked about before.
Speaker 2: We are delighted to be joined again by the Massachusetts
Speaker 2: State Auditor, Diana Desaglio. She is so committed to passing
Speaker 2: Question one that she has spent a good portion of
Speaker 2: this month walking. I said, walking across the conwalth of
Speaker 2: Massachusetts one hundred and forty one miles, madam auditor, welcome,
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: Thank you, Jan it's a pleasure to be back so soon.
Speaker 4: And yes, I did walk across the state from Great
Speaker 4: Barrington to Beacon Hell to raise awareness about the need
Speaker 4: to vote yes on Question one to audit the state legislature.
Speaker 5: Well, they're not cooperating with you on this.
Speaker 2: I understand that I've seen with invited someone to come
Speaker 2: on either the House Speaker of the Senate.
Speaker 5: President hasn't worked out too well. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: That's the choice before we talk about Question one, which
Speaker 2: is really important. This was an extraordinary effort. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine walking across the Kalmwalth of Massachusetts.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: People said, well, Massachusetts in a big state.
Speaker 2: Its one hundred and forty one miles you started in
Speaker 2: the New York border. Was there any moment in time
Speaker 2: where you said to yourself, oh, not sure, this is
Speaker 2: really a good idea.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Did you get bad weather? Did anybody you.
Speaker 2: Know, did you come close to you know, some guy
Speaker 2: you know not running off the road intentionally, but you
Speaker 2: know there are people out there driving on cars.
Speaker 5: I mean that was a.
Speaker 2: Fairly dangerous, you know, effort that you took.
Speaker 5: My hat's off to you.
Speaker 4: It's what I'm saying, Dan, thank you so much. And
Speaker 4: let me just clarify. I am on the road in
Speaker 4: Western mass currently, or in Greenfield. So if I do
Speaker 4: hit a patch where there's no service, I'll call you
Speaker 4: right back. But I will say, and I am not driving,
Speaker 4: by the way, I will Are you walking now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, I am not walking right now.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 6: No, that's I'm in.
Speaker 4: Western mass So my so my reception is a bit
Speaker 4: tricky right now.
Speaker 5: But you've made. You've made the walk was so October
Speaker 5: before it till October eleventh.
Speaker 4: Then yes, I I'm back on the road again. But
Speaker 4: what I will say is, look, there were a couple
Speaker 4: of tricky times. There was some road construction. Uh there
Speaker 4: you know, we're challenging roads in terms of you know,
Speaker 4: I had had a volunteer essentially Google mapped the route
Speaker 4: for us, and they did a really good job. However,
Speaker 4: because we didn't get to go out and drive the
Speaker 4: route first, we didn't have enough time. I ended up
Speaker 4: just walking the route and saying, look, if there are challenges,
Speaker 4: we'll just have to figure out ways around them. So
Speaker 4: there were a couple of challenging times, especially around Route
Speaker 4: twenty in the route Worcester area, where you know it
Speaker 4: was on my map. I just keep walking down Route
Speaker 4: twenty until you know, I realized, well, hey, there's no
Speaker 4: shoulder here to walk on. So we did have to
Speaker 4: do some you know, recon and that in that regard
Speaker 4: and make sure that I was shifted over and shuffled
Speaker 4: over to a safer place to walk in, which, you know,
Speaker 4: I was grateful to have local volunteers who knew the
Speaker 4: area well and knew all the back roads, so they helped.
Speaker 8: And you know, I would say the only day that
Speaker 8: I really had a little bit more of a challenging
Speaker 8: time full disclosure, was when it rained for a few hours.
Speaker 4: And when it first started raining, no big deal, but
Speaker 4: after a few hours of the rain. I was definitely
Speaker 4: less than passionate about my walk during those few hours.
Speaker 4: I got a little bit cold, but I you know,
Speaker 4: had some volunteers helping. They brought me a change of
Speaker 4: clothes so I could keep walking that day. And I
Speaker 4: have to say, I am incredibly, incredibly grateful because the
Speaker 4: sun was shining with some great weather for the vast
Speaker 4: majority of the week, and we were able to connect
Speaker 4: Dan with so many amazing residents across this Commonwealth in
Speaker 4: their own neighborhoods. Folks were hearing that I was walking
Speaker 4: through their neighborhood and they would, you know, give our
Speaker 4: campaign a call, and they would call and they would
Speaker 4: come out and start walking with me. People were walking
Speaker 4: with signs on their back that had, you know, logos
Speaker 4: of the sun shining because we're you know, our campaign
Speaker 4: is the Sunshine Campaign, where sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Speaker 4: We're saying, let's shine a light on the dark areas
Speaker 4: of state government through an audit of the legislature. Folks
Speaker 4: were coming out with bright yellow, which is our campaign color,
Speaker 4: with suns on their T shirts. They were coming out
Speaker 4: with vote yes on one written on post a boards
Speaker 4: and walking and holding up the signs. I was getting
Speaker 4: honking of horns, you know, with people waving out the
Speaker 4: window and you know, let me know you're almost there.
Speaker 4: So it was it was a good It was a
Speaker 4: good week, and we got to meet with a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of residents across the Commonwealth, and I
Speaker 4: was inspired Dan to see so many local officials come
Speaker 4: out and join as well.
Speaker 2: Look, that was a herculean task. Number one and number two,
Speaker 2: I don't know there were too many members of the
Speaker 2: legislature who could walk one hundred and forty one miles.
Speaker 4: And you do they certainly would have been invited, especially
Speaker 4: for this cause.
Speaker 5: No, No, I understand that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying is that you obviously knew exactly
Speaker 2: what you were doing. I'm sure you had the enough
Speaker 2: of you know, a change of a couple of pairs
Speaker 2: of sneakers along the way. I'm just I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: I am astonished, and I stand an absolute awe of
Speaker 2: someone who would take on that task. I'm serious when
Speaker 2: I say that, I mean just the idea of basically,
Speaker 2: you're talking about the equivalent of about six or seven
Speaker 2: marathons in from from the from the New York border
Speaker 2: to Massachusetts. So again, I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: go overboard here, but congratulations and I can't and I are.
Speaker 2: You know, you're going to know the state better than
Speaker 2: any of the other major politicians up there because you
Speaker 2: have literally did you how many towns? How many communities
Speaker 2: did you hit along the way? You must have hit
Speaker 2: like thirty or forty communities along the way out.
Speaker 4: Of the Oh you know what, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 4: actually count, but that is a great thing for me
Speaker 4: to do. I'm gonna go back and come then I'll
Speaker 4: let you know. But you know, we took yeah, we
Speaker 4: took a route that took us from Great Barrington through
Speaker 4: Otis onto Westfield and West Springfield. We went through Springfield,
Speaker 4: then we went on to go through communities like Sturbridge,
Speaker 4: and we actually ended up going through both Worcester and Auburn.
Speaker 4: We went over to Westborough to Wellesley, all the way
Speaker 4: to Beacon Hill, and it was great to see folks
Speaker 4: even who didn't live in the communities that I happened
Speaker 4: to be walking directly through, Folks from neighboring communities coming
Speaker 4: to join on the walk. For example, when I was
Speaker 4: in Western mass and I was walking through Brimfield and
Speaker 4: into Otis and some other areas in East Brimfield. I
Speaker 4: had the Mayor of holy Yoke, Joshua Bergarcia, a great
Speaker 4: friend who came out and walked with me in communities
Speaker 4: that you know. He wasn't the mayor for he's the
Speaker 4: mayor of Holyoke, but he came and walked with me
Speaker 4: for a little while and we had lunch together, talked
Speaker 4: about the initiative. He's fully supportive of Yes on One.
Speaker 4: Mayor Mike McCabe of Westfield came and walked with me
Speaker 4: for several miles actually, and hosted an event for me
Speaker 4: in his community, which is one of the nights I
Speaker 4: ended in Westfield, and he hosted an event for me
Speaker 4: to encourage his local community in Westfield about Yes on One.
Speaker 4: You know. Mayor will Reich cult came and joined us
Speaker 4: from West Springfield. Mayor Sam Qualia from Fitchburg drove down
Speaker 4: to walk with me through communities that are you know,
Speaker 4: I think you She drove about forty five minutes to
Speaker 4: an hour, and that was the day that I was
Speaker 4: walking on to Westborough and she was walking with me
Speaker 4: that day alongside of counsel of Sally Craigan from Fitchburg.
Speaker 4: We had the mayor of Addleborough, Mayor Kathleen de Simone,
Speaker 4: come up and walk with me the morning that I
Speaker 4: left Wellesley to head from Boston, and we got to
Speaker 4: talk about a lot of municipal issues and you know,
Speaker 4: different issues facing her community alongside of her support for
Speaker 4: Question one. So what a great and inspirational time it was. Indeed,
Speaker 4: thanks to all of these wonderful folks coming out and walking.
Speaker 4: We had folks from all across the political spectrum, Democrats
Speaker 4: and enrolled Republicans all coming together to fight for increased
Speaker 4: transparency up on Beacon Hill. It was an inspiring week.
Speaker 5: Oh well, i'll tell you just great. So just one
Speaker 5: of two questions.
Speaker 2: Then I got to take a break, and I want
Speaker 2: to get some phone calls, okay, because I think that
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk about Question one. I hope
Speaker 2: there was no moment where you stepped in a ditch
Speaker 2: and sprained an ankle that you you got through it
Speaker 2: pretty well, you know, because that stuff can happen. There
Speaker 2: was never some dog that chased you or something that
Speaker 2: never a moment of real problem or concern it.
Speaker 5: I hope no.
Speaker 4: I actually have to say it was a great, great
Speaker 4: week overall.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: The worst thing that happened this pastic And I'm a
Speaker 4: big hiker, Dan, so I should I should skate that,
Speaker 4: just hold it to be a big hiker. I hike
Speaker 4: the four thousand footers in New Hampshire. Anytime I take
Speaker 4: a vacation, it's usually a hiking trip. So I'm a
Speaker 4: very big hiker and avid hiker, and I love walking.
Speaker 4: And I did bring my walking sticks with me, and
Speaker 4: I did bring my camel back with me. The worst
Speaker 4: thing that happened in one of the days, I stepped
Speaker 4: in a really big puddle with a wet shoe for
Speaker 4: a little while. But you know, nothing that wasn't very
Speaker 4: easy to overcome. Some sore joints solved with a little
Speaker 4: bit of ibuprofen and lots and lots and lots of water.
Speaker 5: Oh that's great, that's great.
Speaker 2: I'm talking with the State Auditor the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: one of the six Constitutional officers officers here in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and she wants to audit the legislature, which I think
Speaker 2: is a fabulous idea.
Speaker 5: I have already.
Speaker 2: Voted yes on question one, and I would advocate and
Speaker 2: suggest all of you the same if you'd like to
Speaker 2: talk to the State Auditor, and really she's just I think,
Speaker 2: has just done something which is extraordinary. And if you'd
Speaker 2: like to add a word of congratulations, you will more
Speaker 2: than welcome. Six one, seven, two, five four thirty six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine thirty. We'll take some questions with the
Speaker 2: state of udit and we'll talk more about what Question one,
Speaker 2: if approved by the voters on November fifth, will accomplish.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on nights side with State Auditor Diane
Speaker 2: Dezaglio right after a couple of messages.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Diana, let's talk about Question one. Why did they have
Speaker 2: to go to the ballot of this? That is something
Speaker 2: I think the foundational question people should understand.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, we had to go to the ballot because
Speaker 4: when I went to conduct the audit of the legislature
Speaker 4: that I had committed to conducting during my campaign for
Speaker 4: State Auditor, the Senate President and the Speaker vehemently refused
Speaker 4: to participate in the audit and cooperate with our office
Speaker 4: and refuse to give us access to things like receipts procurement,
Speaker 4: contracting information and other documents that frankly should be a
Speaker 4: matter of public record if our legislature didn't exempt themselves
Speaker 4: from the record law. When they refused to cooperate with
Speaker 4: our office, I did ask the Attorney General's Office for
Speaker 4: Assistants to bring the legislature to court to adjudicate this matter,
Speaker 4: to ensure that the courts could make the judgment call
Speaker 4: on our right to audit the state legislature. Now, for
Speaker 4: folks who might not have been following this entire time,
Speaker 4: the Auditor's Office has always historically audited our state legislature
Speaker 4: since its inception in EP forty nine. We have conducted
Speaker 4: over one hundred audits of the legislature throughout history. It's
Speaker 4: only been in recent years that legislative leaders who have
Speaker 4: become very very powerful have decided to kick up their
Speaker 4: heels and say that they are refusing to cooperate with
Speaker 4: these audits. That is unacceptable, So we sought to bring
Speaker 4: them to court to require that they comply with the
Speaker 4: current law that already states that my office is to
Speaker 4: audit all departments and activities and accounts of the Commonwealth.
Speaker 4: They don't believe that all departments applies to them, so
Speaker 4: we tried to bring them to court. The Attorney General
Speaker 4: refused to assist us in court and sided with legislative
Speaker 4: leaders instead against this audit, leaving us with the only
Speaker 4: option of pursuing this through a ballot initiative to get
Speaker 4: the support of the people of Massachusetts by voting to
Speaker 4: ensure that the state legislature is absolutely included in the
Speaker 4: language of the law, to clear up any confusion about
Speaker 4: the phrase all departments and make sure that it says
Speaker 4: including the General Court, so instead of saying all departments,
Speaker 4: it will say all departments, including the General Court, are
Speaker 4: to be audited by the Office of State Auditor. It's
Speaker 4: concerning and disappointing that we even had to get to
Speaker 4: this point of providing clarification on language that I don't
Speaker 4: believe is really ambiguous at all. I believe all means
Speaker 4: all and it's very clear. But we did have to
Speaker 4: bring this to the ballot because of Legislative leader's refusal
Speaker 4: to participate and the Attorney General's refusal to represent us
Speaker 4: in court on this matter and siding with legislative leaders.
Speaker 4: So here we are. We went out Thanks to all
Speaker 4: the volunteers out there who helped to collect over one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand signatures to get this issue on the ballot
Speaker 4: November fifth, we are now on the ballot thanks to
Speaker 4: all of you. We have to get a lot of signatures,
Speaker 4: do a lot of work for that, and now this
Speaker 4: issue is on the ballot, and voters will have an
Speaker 4: opportunity to make crystal clear that they expect our state
Speaker 4: legislature to abide by the same laws as everyone else,
Speaker 4: and they expect our state legislature to show us the receipts.
Speaker 9: After all, it'll be a great victory. It'll be a
Speaker 9: great victory for the people of Massachusetts if Massachusetts votes
Speaker 9: yes on Question one. The other question that.
Speaker 2: I had, auditor, is that the power of the purse
Speaker 2: always rests with the legislature in Congress or in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if there's been any negative feedback from
Speaker 2: the legislators who do not like to be told what
Speaker 2: to do in the legislative leadership. Have they tried to
Speaker 2: come after your funding for your department or anything, because
Speaker 2: that seems to me the way that oftentimes people who
Speaker 2: are in positions of power and authority react.
Speaker 4: One thousand percent. That's unfortunately the way legislative leaders operate.
Speaker 4: It is like a middle school playground, and they have
Speaker 4: acted like bullies. Let's just be real here. I served
Speaker 4: in the state legislature for six years of the state
Speaker 4: rep four years as a Senator. I served portions of
Speaker 4: the Merrimack Valley in the North Shore during my time
Speaker 4: in the legislature, and I was pretty canned as someone
Speaker 4: who grew up in Masillen and Lawrence. I spoke my
Speaker 4: mind quite often about what my district expected and sought
Speaker 4: for my community, and that was not appreciated. I was
Speaker 4: often retaliated against during that time. It wasn't just me.
Speaker 4: Many folks who speak up for their communities get retaliated
Speaker 4: against by legislative leaders and that's not changed at all
Speaker 4: since I became State Auditor. They have absolutely retaliated against
Speaker 4: my office already. I have gotten five times less of
Speaker 4: an increase than some of my counterparts in constitutional office.
Speaker 4: I have seen attempts by the House Speaker and sent
Speaker 4: a President to strip my office of appointing authority to
Speaker 4: commissions like the Health Policy Commission, in a retaliatory effort
Speaker 4: to try to punish our office for doing the work
Speaker 4: we are called to do by people of the commonwealth.
Speaker 4: But Dan, honestly, this is nothing new. This is not
Speaker 4: my first rodeo dealing with leadership's retaliation. And frankly, we're
Speaker 4: not going to be bullied by the by the middle
Speaker 4: school playground bullies right now.
Speaker 5: Last quick question.
Speaker 2: We've got to good news, and I have a bunch
Speaker 2: of phone callers who want to talk to on the
Speaker 2: other side, if you can stick with us just for
Speaker 2: a little while longer.
Speaker 5: When did the audits of the legislature end? Who? If
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do, who was the auditor at that time,
Speaker 2: and who were the legislative leaders who basically must have
Speaker 2: worked back then with the auditor to us suspend what
Speaker 2: had been a regular activity.
Speaker 4: Former Joe Danucci, former Auditor Joe Denucci was the auditor
Speaker 4: at the time when the audits stopped happening. Now, I know,
Speaker 4: folks may have been you know, may have heard about
Speaker 4: this fight for auditing the legislature for the first time
Speaker 4: in recent months due to my push to audit the legislature.
Speaker 4: But I'm actually not the first to make this push.
Speaker 4: I stand on his shoulders of former auditor Joe Denucci,
Speaker 4: who was actually the one who fought with the Speaker
Speaker 4: of the House back in I believe it was around
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one or so in the early nineties when
Speaker 4: Auditor Joe Denucci went in to conduct his routine audit
Speaker 4: of the state legislature, and the Speaker at the time
Speaker 4: at a time said to Speaker Dodanucci that he did
Speaker 4: not want the auditor to audit the legislature. Auditor Joe
Speaker 4: Denucci did not take kindly to that information and actually
Speaker 4: went to the general at the time.
Speaker 6: For well, do you ad erupt?
Speaker 2: Do me favorite you want your cut in and tell
Speaker 2: her we're lost and we'll bring back we got to
Speaker 2: take a newscast. So Joe Denucci was the auditor and
Speaker 2: a good guy, also a friend, and so he was
Speaker 2: prevented from doing the audit. I missed which who was
Speaker 2: the speaker at the time. But we'll do the research
Speaker 2: on that and hopefully we can get this line. The
Speaker 2: auditor had explained to us that she was in an
Speaker 2: area in Brookfield where maybe she would lose contact with us.
Speaker 2: But hopefully in the next couple of minutes we can
Speaker 2: get her in a better place and we can stop
Speaker 2: her from walking at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, that's great. You back. Are you back?
Speaker 4: I'm back, Yes, thank you, And if I kind of
Speaker 4: just let me know because sometimes it goes in and out.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this was the first time you lost
Speaker 2: you real quickly because I got to go to news.
Speaker 2: Who was this House speaker at the time that stopped
Speaker 2: Denucci from doing the audit?
Speaker 4: It was actually a speaker Flaherty and Joe Denucci the
Speaker 4: time bought back and Joe Denucci asked the Attorney General
Speaker 4: first astance. The Attorney General said, look, there's a disagreement
Speaker 4: about the interpretation of the law. Why don't you file
Speaker 4: a bill, mister auditor and try to pass a bill
Speaker 4: that will require that they be audited. So the auditor
Speaker 4: tried to file a bill. Apparently, you know, or obviously
Speaker 4: the speaker at the time did not pass the bill.
Speaker 2: Can I take a guess, I'll bet you the bill
Speaker 2: never got out of committee.
Speaker 4: The bill never got out of committee.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 4: No, we're taking a different tact, Dan, We're a different
Speaker 4: tact in a different approach, and we're bringing this issue
Speaker 4: to the ballot. But Joe Denucci was actually the first
Speaker 4: auditor to fight back against these bogus claims that the
Speaker 4: legislature shouldn't be audited. Uh, and I stand on his
Speaker 4: shoulders and continuing that fight, Well, he had big shoulders.
Speaker 2: He was a tough guy, a boxer, as I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know, a champion. As an auditor, you are as well.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. We got about a
Speaker 2: three minute newscast and we're going right to calls. And
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how how much I support you
Speaker 2: on this. This is so important. And the House Speaker,
Speaker 2: Mike Flaherty, they came from that kind of that old school,
Speaker 2: the Tommy McGhee school of House speakerships, who was kind.
Speaker 5: Of their way of the highway.
Speaker 2: And I think that the State Auditor knows the back
Speaker 2: roads and the highways of the Massachusetts political scene pretty
Speaker 2: well from her experiences. And I think this one's going
Speaker 2: to pass, but it's only going to pass if you
Speaker 2: vote yes on one. Back on Nightside right after this
Speaker 2: with the State Audit the Comwalth of Massachusetts, Diana Dezaglio.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side Withston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: We're talking with the Massachusetts State Auditor, Diana Dezaglio, and
Speaker 2: all she wants to do is do her job as
Speaker 2: state Auditor the legislature is basically throwing roadblocks in her way.
Speaker 2: Those roadblocks can be removed if people vote yes on
Speaker 2: question one. Diana, I hope the connection is good because
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of callers who would like to
Speaker 2: like to ask you questions or perhaps even thand you
Speaker 2: for what you're doing. Here we go Paul and need him. Paul,
Speaker 2: welcome first, and I would state it auditor, Diana dis ugly,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, Paul.
Speaker 6: Yes, Good evening, dn auditor, good evening. I am a
Speaker 6: y on one, I'm a years on one, and you
Speaker 6: are doing an outstanding job. My question is this, this.
Speaker 2: Call can only go downhill from here, you know, Diana
Speaker 2: at this point, no, only kidding?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Oh good god, Paul.
Speaker 6: Non disclosure agreements is that one of the things that
Speaker 6: the legislature does not want the public to know about,
Speaker 6: the moneys that have been spent on non disclosure agreements.
Speaker 5: Bingo bingo, bingo, ding ding ding ding ding. I think
Speaker 5: you want a price here.
Speaker 3: Paul, Go ahead, you did, yes.
Speaker 4: Non disclosure agreements which have been abused by folks in
Speaker 4: the private sector, unfortunately for years, to cover up illegal acts, assaults,
Speaker 4: criminal activity, abuses, a lot of folks might not be
Speaker 4: aware of, Paul, but you know, obviously because you ask
Speaker 4: the question, that our state legislature is actually able to
Speaker 4: use our tax dollars to cover up misdeeds and even
Speaker 4: potential illegal activities using our tax dollars through funding those
Speaker 4: non disclosure agreements. We know that the House of Representatives
Speaker 4: alone executed at least thirty three non disposure agreements in
Speaker 4: recent years, but what we don't know is how much
Speaker 4: was spent to fund them. What the non disposure agreements
Speaker 4: were used to cover up, you know, or any information
Speaker 4: that could ensure that tax payers, you know, are not
Speaker 4: watching their tax dollars be brute abused and that people
Speaker 4: are not being victimized at the state House and there's
Speaker 4: no cover ups occurring. So certainly those non disclosure agreements.
Speaker 4: That is one thousand percent one of the reasons why
Speaker 4: legislative leaders do not want this audit because it would
Speaker 4: be exposed potentially how much has been spent on those
Speaker 4: silencing agreements.
Speaker 6: Go get them, and you're doing a great job. You'll
Speaker 6: always get my vote.
Speaker 5: Paul, Thanks very much for the call. Appreciated.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can see you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 2: support here tonight, let me go to Kathy and Lunenburg. Kathy,
Speaker 2: you are next with the Auditor of the call Wealth
Speaker 2: of Massachusetts, Diana Disauglio.
Speaker 11: Kathy, Thanks Dan, Hi, Diana, you already know I'm a
Speaker 11: fan of yours, and I just wanted to say thank you.
Speaker 11: I really wanted to actually get out and walk with
Speaker 11: you when I saw that you were doing that, and
Speaker 11: time's at the best to me and just too much
Speaker 11: going on, but I wanted to ask you, are there
Speaker 11: any lawn signs or any you know, logos, anything that
Speaker 11: we can do, just handmade signs because we all stand
Speaker 11: out at the polls and hold signs.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Kathy, as you were talking, we have momentarily lost
Speaker 2: the auditor. But stay right there. And uh, Rob is
Speaker 2: trying to get her back. She's actually she mentioned earlier
Speaker 2: in the in the hour that she's walking in Brookfield again.
Speaker 11: Uh I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, she said. I think she said she
Speaker 2: was walking. But Rob is gonna going to try to
Speaker 2: pull her back here. You know what's funny, I have
Speaker 2: seen I haven't seen many law many law times. The
Speaker 2: question the question auditor from Kathy is whether or not
Speaker 2: there any lawn signs that are available with your campaign.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen many lawn signs on any of the
Speaker 2: ballot questions. I have seen, you know, presidential campaign signs
Speaker 2: in my neck of the woods here.
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish, und Kathy, I do apologize that
Speaker 4: we really don't have the funds, the financial resources right
Speaker 4: now to be able to go out and purchase those
Speaker 4: lawn signs. But please go to my social media and
Speaker 4: grab some of the photos that we've posted. If you
Speaker 4: find me on social media, just do a Google search
Speaker 4: or a search online for whatever your browser is, and
Speaker 4: find me on social media, Diana Dezaglio, and we'll send
Speaker 4: you a logo for audit for the audit the legislature,
Speaker 4: yes on one, and you could post it on social media.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the grassroots way that we're trying
Speaker 4: to get the word out there. And letters to the
Speaker 4: editor are always appreciated as well. If you can't post
Speaker 4: a long sign, feel free to post a letter in
Speaker 4: your local newspaper to support We certainly need the advocacy
Speaker 4: out there in those local newspapers.
Speaker 2: The other thing that the other thing, excuse me, the
Speaker 2: auditor of the other thing, Kathy, that you could do,
Speaker 2: or any other listener could do. Is tomorrow. This hour
Speaker 2: with the State Auditor is available on our website, which
Speaker 2: is Nightside on demian dot com.
Speaker 5: You can pull that down.
Speaker 2: It'll be reduced to about you know, a podcast form
Speaker 2: about forty two minutes or so, and you can share
Speaker 2: that on your own personal page with you know, other
Speaker 2: friends or your connections and just to get the word
Speaker 2: out there. I mean, I don't know how many shows
Speaker 2: of this length the auditor has done, but I think
Speaker 2: she's made it pretty clear why this is important. She's
Speaker 2: provided us with the history of it. If someone takes it,
Speaker 2: takes the opportunity to listen to what she has to say,
Speaker 2: I can't of imagine how you would want anything but
Speaker 2: transparency and openness and sunshine.
Speaker 11: And yes, I think most people can agree. I mean,
Speaker 11: this is something at you know, absolutely vital. And you
Speaker 11: know when I called in last weekend when you had
Speaker 11: that pollster run and I asked him how it was polling,
Speaker 11: and I think the percentage was very, very high if
Speaker 11: I recollect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think I want to make it as big.
Speaker 2: I want to make it as big as possible so
Speaker 2: that no one in the legislature can say, well, it
Speaker 2: only it only passed, you know, sixty forty. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see it eighty twenty because I think the only
Speaker 2: people who should vote against this are members of the
Speaker 2: legislature and their immediate families.
Speaker 5: That's as simple as that.
Speaker 11: Couldn't Thanks Kathy, all right, thank you, Thanks Thanks Kathy,
Speaker 11: Thanks Diana.
Speaker 5: Diane, I gotta take one more quick break.
Speaker 2: I promise I'll make it quick and then we'll be
Speaker 2: You'll let you go at ten o'clock. And again, I
Speaker 2: hope your staff tomorrow can can download this hour on
Speaker 2: Nightside and demand put it up on your website, because
Speaker 2: I think this is one of those issues that everybody
Speaker 2: should be able to come together on because it's everyone's
Speaker 2: tax dollars that are being spent up there. They should
Speaker 2: be spent wisely, and we should know how they're being spent.
Speaker 2: And that's all you're asking for. There's no political or
Speaker 2: partisan action involved here. You're a Democrat asking to audit
Speaker 2: the Democratic legislature, and for some reason they are refusing,
Speaker 2: and I just think it's it's so ninety ninety a shit, this, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the twenty first century.
Speaker 4: It's concerning it is concerning.
Speaker 12: Dan.
Speaker 4: If there's nothing to hide, then open up the doors.
Speaker 4: It's our taxpayer dollars. That is not the politician's house,
Speaker 4: it's the people house. People's house. Open up the doors,
Speaker 4: let the sunshine in. If there's nothing to hide, and you.
Speaker 2: Have completed one hundred and forty one miles across the
Speaker 2: Commonwealth of Massachusetts walking for sunshine, we'll take a very
Speaker 2: quick break. I got good, good calls coming up. My guest,
Speaker 2: Massachusetts State Auditor Diane Desauglio, will be back. We'll finish
Speaker 2: this up by ten o'clock, so feel free to stay there.
Speaker 2: I can try to get another one or two in
Speaker 2: if i'd like to try. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes my listeners are frustrated with the lack of cooperation
Speaker 2: they get from Beacon Hill.
Speaker 5: This is a member of the statewide leadership.
Speaker 2: She's one of the six constitutional officers who is actually
Speaker 2: up there fighting on behalf of the people in the
Speaker 2: best way possible, openness and transparency.
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Speaker 1: Back to Dan Ray live from the Window World night
Speaker 1: Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: We have full lines. We're going to try to get
Speaker 2: everybody in. The people who have called first will get
Speaker 2: in first. Let me go to George, Hey Tewksbury. George,
Speaker 2: you next on nice side with the State Audit of
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth. Diana, go right ahead, George.
Speaker 6: Hi, Dan.
Speaker 7: I voted already myself, and I keep repeating this every
Speaker 7: time I talk High State Auditor Diana Hawaiian is George
Speaker 7: from Tewksbury, and I repeated that I'm her biggest fan,
Speaker 7: so eventually it'll just catch on.
Speaker 4: But a right, George, always great to hear from somebody
Speaker 4: from the Merrimack Valley. I'm a one girl myself. Thanks
Speaker 4: for Collins.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wanted to mention that I was on the
Speaker 7: Drake Connection, I was on Wilmington Community TV and a
Speaker 7: debate Tewksbury Telemedia. I mean, and I got about five
Speaker 7: or six others that I'm saying that I stand for
Speaker 7: a Bellot question one and in full support of you
Speaker 7: and everything you do. But I have I can't believe
Speaker 7: this though, that no one said this one y. You
Speaker 7: don't only just talk to talk, but you walk the walk.
Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
Speaker 4: Oh thanks, that's great, that's great, George. Leave it to
Speaker 4: a Merrimack valley man to put that together and that
Speaker 4: that was great. I appreciate that, George. I'm going to
Speaker 4: say that to people that we had a good friend
Speaker 4: from Twoksbury call in tonight. Thanks, we did walk the walk,
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty one miles of it.
Speaker 6: Thank you, be well, Thanks, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: That's a good quick call and a very positive call.
Speaker 2: Is here you get a couple more in here out
Speaker 2: of the wire, Terry down to the Cape, Terry, you're
Speaker 2: next to night Sacer right.
Speaker 11: Hit Terry, Hi Dan not am monitor.
Speaker 19: I am honored to speak with you, and I'm so
Speaker 19: proud of everything that you're doing. Oh my goodness you inspiration.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much, carry thank you.
Speaker 19: I have a little timey walking group actually Dan knows
Speaker 19: about it at the Hardwich Community Center. If you're down
Speaker 19: on Keith good on Wednesday, October twenty third. Not only
Speaker 19: do we have a walking group at eleven o'clock and
Speaker 19: the tim at twelve men, we're having a pizza party.
Speaker 19: I would be wow excited to have you come. Is
Speaker 19: our guest speaker, and I'm in charge and I can
Speaker 19: do that.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is quite the invitation. I am always thrill
Speaker 4: when I get an invitation to go to Harwich. One
Speaker 4: of my favorite communities. I have to say, because I
Speaker 4: actually started to get folks to know folks in Harwich
Speaker 4: as one of the first communities that I was able
Speaker 4: to start campaigning in in the Cave, great folks there
Speaker 4: like Elaine Dickinson, right got Wald, Liz Harder. I could
Speaker 4: just keep going. I know a lot of folks down there,
Speaker 4: and Carrie, now I know you and I will certainly
Speaker 4: be making every attempt to get down to Harwich very soon,
Speaker 4: hopefully for the pizza party, but if not for that
Speaker 4: very soon. And Dan, if you could connect us after this,
Speaker 4: that would be great.
Speaker 5: You know what I will do that for. You leave
Speaker 5: your number with Rob.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then I probably have your number somewhere, but
Speaker 2: you leave your number with Rob so I can get
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 5: The auditor okay, thanks, thanks, don't hang out all right,
Speaker 5: leave your number. We'll keep rolling here. We're gonna get
Speaker 5: a couple of Gary.
Speaker 2: At least Terry is a She is a tried and
Speaker 2: true Democrat. I want you to know. Let me go
Speaker 2: next to Ron and Newton. Ron, you were next with
Speaker 2: the State Auditor of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Go right ahead, on, Madam Auditor Diana. You are my
Speaker 3: You are breadth of freshie and my hero. You have
Speaker 3: my vote now and forever. I can tell you, and
Speaker 3: I have to say I'm also very fond of the
Speaker 3: mer mc valley. I during my college years I goil
Speaker 3: pools in there. One more thing I'd like to say
Speaker 3: is that I was fortunate this weekend and conquered to
Speaker 3: pick up a copy of our first President, George Washington's
Speaker 3: inaugural address, and in one sentence he says, uh, I
Speaker 3: said limit expenditure, actual expenditures as to the public good
Speaker 3: may be thought to require. So our first president was
Speaker 3: concerned about expenditures right from the get go.
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you for that.
Speaker 5: Right, appreciate you. Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call and very very interesting connection you
Speaker 2: made between George Washington Diana's That's great.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ron, talk to you later. We all, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get at least one more in. Maybe we can get
Speaker 2: two more in for the State auditor. Let me go
Speaker 2: next to Dennis and Lowell. Dennis, next on Nice I
Speaker 2: with State audit. Go right ahead, Dennis.
Speaker 4: I love Dennis.
Speaker 11: Good evening, Good evening, Jennie.
Speaker 4: Is this tennis that I know from lull Is? This
Speaker 4: is it Dennis Dennis from Lowell?
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I couldn't. Yes, usually I talked sports with Dan.
Speaker 10: But I've been impressed with Diana since I first met
Speaker 10: her at a gathering with Swama State Senator Steve Panagiattakas
Speaker 10: and uh and and Dan. I I like to think
Speaker 10: I know talent when I see it, and Diana has
Speaker 10: talent very much. And I'll just quickly say again, going
Speaker 10: back in history, that's what our government was formed, checks
Speaker 10: and balances. I mean, that's one of our basic foundations.
Speaker 10: And so I wish you the best of luck, Diana,
Speaker 10: as always, Dennis.
Speaker 4: As always, thank you so much for calling in and
Speaker 4: really really appreciate that continued to support my friends.
Speaker 2: All right, Dennis, appreciate it. I always good to hear
Speaker 2: from my former baseball competitor.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, world, Dan, who knew?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely last call of the hour, Ross
Speaker 2: and Quincy.
Speaker 5: Ross, you're all with the State Orditor, Diana does ugly
Speaker 5: go right ahead, Ross.
Speaker 20: By Diana, thank you very much. I have a question
Speaker 20: about closed meetings that are not open to the public.
Speaker 20: There are times when it's appropriate that the legislature should
Speaker 20: have a confident meeting and confidence and confidence with all
Speaker 20: disclosers of the public. I'm a member of a church
Speaker 20: board of trustees, and sometimes we open our meeting to
Speaker 20: all the members, but there are times when we have
Speaker 20: to be discreete and considered personal obligations. Which to what
Speaker 20: extent would you press you get that kind of data
Speaker 20: from a closed meeting?
Speaker 4: Well, and audit is only able to look at information
Speaker 4: that has been documented in some way. We can't look
Speaker 4: at things that they haven't been documented, and we're only
Speaker 4: able to look at things that have happened in the past.
Speaker 4: So that means you can't barge into people's meetings or
Speaker 4: anything like that and disturb the daily business and day
Speaker 4: to day activities of any organization, including the legislature. These
Speaker 4: bodies have to be able to do their work. So
Speaker 4: audits audit the past, they don't audit the present, day
Speaker 4: to day happenings, and we look at process procedures and
Speaker 4: financial information. So I hope that answers your question.
Speaker 20: RADI do not if you have written minutes, you cannot.
Speaker 20: You are not going to try to get the information
Speaker 20: that's not written.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Rush, you're fine.
Speaker 2: I think I think that the auditor and again you
Speaker 2: you're a private church, your organization, you have all sorts
Speaker 2: of rights of privacy that a lot of public agencies
Speaker 2: would not have. Ross, I'm up against it. I thank you.
Speaker 2: I think you're okay. Trust me on that one, Diana Disglio,
Speaker 2: keep at it. I can't wait to celebrate this victory
Speaker 2: for you and for all the people of Massachusetts. People
Speaker 2: should vote yes on question one, without question. In my mind,
Speaker 2: thank you so.
Speaker 4: Much, Thank you so much. Jan have a great night.
Speaker 4: Everyone vote yes on wine. Bring on its side.
Speaker 5: All right, Thanks Diana, and we get back.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about a new poll just released
Speaker 2: recently from the University of Massachusetts that says about a
Speaker 2: lot of people in Massachusetts. More than forty percent say
Speaker 2: that the state is on the wrong track.
Speaker 5: We'll explain