WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:08.800 Well whiskey coming gabtain money, Oh why don't you? 2 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:16.519 From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com. 3 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:21.559 This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders 4 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:26.519 Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International Woman of 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.160 Mystery Lucretia cat Gotta giving. 6 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.799 Let that whiskey bloon where you're being in love down 7 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:35.719 he lod. 8 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:38.359 Well. 9 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.159 Hi everybody, It's the three Whiskey Happy Hour from two 10 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.039 different time zones. I am today coming to you from 11 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.640 Ricky mc iceland home off what I just showed lucretiaan 12 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:50.799 John the Monument to the Unknown Bureaucrat. That really is 13 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:52.600 such a thing, and I'll put it in the show notes. 14 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.320 And there's also some strange hot dogs here that are 15 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:59.320 gonna give John a run for his money for the McRib, 16 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:00.799 I think, and I'll quite understand that. 17 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:02.000 But anyway, how are you guys. 18 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:03.719 Doing doing well? 19 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.959 Steve? How are you well? 20 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.599 Jet lag? But right, oh right, I want. 21 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.959 The record to show that actually I prefer hot dogs 22 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.000 to the McRib it's only because McDonald's doesn't make hot 23 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.000 dogs that I have to eat mcgribs. Oh, I love 24 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:21.480 hot dogs. I've had hot dogs everywhere I travel. 25 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:21.959 I think I can. 26 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.319 That's like the first American food I can remember eating 27 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:24.920 as a kid. 28 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.519 Oh all right, so quick question Sebrettes or Nathan's. 29 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.200 Oh Nathan's, come on, it's really how you can compare them. 30 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.680 It's more like whether you like them boiled or grilled. 31 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.120 I don't understand boiled hot dogs at all. Grilled they're 32 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:38.879 so much better. 33 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.680 Now, you're right about that. And if you can't grill them, 34 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.799 you put them in a frying pan. And you know. 35 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.000 But I will tell you that I wouldn't eat hot 36 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.840 dogs except at our favorite liquor storage on Costco cells 37 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:58.480 hot dogs that don't have any junk in them. They're 38 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:03.359 just beef spices. I know, what are you going to do? 39 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.280 But they're pretty good. 40 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.360 Like despite all its crazy progressive values. I love cost 41 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.159 Co for right. They have for was it a dollar 42 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.120 fifty nine hot dog and soda? And they claim the 43 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.159 price has never changed and will never change because. 44 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:21.800 It's a lost leader, I think. 45 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.080 But then the next question, then, John, is this, I'm surprised, 46 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.280 after all these years we haven't actually made a pilgrimage 47 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.560 to Top Dog in Berkeley. 48 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:34.080 The oh I love top Dog In fact, the listeners. 49 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.120 If you ever stopped in Berkeley, you should come. It 50 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.199 is run by some crazy libertarian in the inside of 51 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.199 the Top Dog is wallpapered with all kinds of weird 52 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:48.680 libertarian stuff like Cato newsletters are like the most you know, 53 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.840 liberal thing you'll find in there. He's got his own 54 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.719 handwritten writings in there. But yeah, that makes total sense 55 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:56.479 for a guy who's probably working on a two percent 56 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:57.439 profit margin. 57 00:02:58.840 --> 00:02:59.800 It's been around forever. 58 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.639 I mean, I think it goes back to the seventies, 59 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.319 and it's an institution, right. 60 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:05.960 One of the great one of the great things is on. 61 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.639 Governor Pete Wilson was speaking at Berkeley a few years 62 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.960 after he left the governorship and so I was escorting 63 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.759 him after and I was trying to take him some 64 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.400 find some place for lunch. I was like, oh, you 65 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:18.919 want to go to the faculty Club. You want to 66 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.439 go this place? He goes, Hey, what's that hot dog 67 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.879 stand over there? And that's where he wanted to go. 68 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.479 So we had two top Dogs, which is a you know, 69 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.159 it's like a Manhattan There's a long, skinny hot dog, 70 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.000 which I really like. 71 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.639 And the guy had no idea who. 72 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.800 Governor Wilson is. And so when we were leaving, Governor 73 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.000 Wilson said, he said, my friend, you make a tough 74 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.400 top dog. That's great. 75 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.080 Well, I don't think the owner actually works the counter, 76 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.120 I mean a hired hell. 77 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.520 But yeah, okay, right, well. 78 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.039 All right we yeah, listeners, we have a big debate 79 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.280 to have amongst us here today, which I'll introduced a 80 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:56.680 new course. 81 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:57.960 But just a little bit of the news. 82 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.199 One of the blessed things about going overseas and being 83 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:04.199 jetlagged is that I missed the Kamala Harris CNN interview. 84 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.639 By all accounts I read online, it sounds pretty dreadful. 85 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.240 And you know, it used to be I would say 86 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.240 the foremost depressing words in the English language are the 87 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:18.040 bar is closed. But I now think the foremost depressing 88 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.920 words in the English language were uttered by Kamala Harris 89 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.800 in her interview last night. My values haven't changed. She 90 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.160 said that several times. That was the main message, my 91 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.879 values haven't changed. That's a pretty frightening thought. And I 92 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.439 am pleased to see that the Trump campaign is out 93 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:34.839 with an ad. 94 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.360 At least it's up on social media. Say more about that. 95 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:40.839 Picking up on this line as they ought to and 96 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.759 then just doing clips of all the radical opinions and. 97 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.079 Values she has had over the years. 98 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.519 And I think that's what they ought to do. But 99 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.240 what a frightening thing to say. Do you guys watch 100 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.040 it or what are you paying attention to on any 101 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:52.240 of that? 102 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:52.800 In front? 103 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.839 I couldn't watch it. I don't have that much inner 104 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.720 fortitude anymore. But I watched, you know, after the fact. 105 00:04:58.720 --> 00:04:59.639 I couldn't watch it live. 106 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:00.480 Yeah. 107 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:05.560 Oh. The funny thing was, is that before before she 108 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.240 before they released it. I guess I should say before 109 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:15.079 they released it. They released one line from it. It 110 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.600 didn't make any sense to me, but the line was, 111 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.759 if I hold on, I'm looking for it, the climate 112 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.240 crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to 113 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.319 which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to 114 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:33.600 deadlines around time. And I could see and my thought was, 115 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:37.920 if they're released this is what CNN released, what's the 116 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.600 rest of it going to be like? If they edited 117 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.160 I mean, or what did they edit out of it? 118 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:44.759 I mean, if this is the best they can do. 119 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.600 Apparently two thirds of the interview was edited out because 120 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.759 they talked for nearly an hour when they only broadcast 121 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:55.120 eighteen minutes worth or whatever they did said, which is astounding. 122 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.399 Yeah and yeah that I mean, she's been taking some 123 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.759 heat for not talking about clim a change, which is 124 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.120 on purpose because they finally got the message that it's 125 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.279 a super low priority for voters. 126 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:07.920 And that may be I think, actually, what. 127 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.399 Is she saying? My values haven't changed? That is a 128 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.720 hint to all the progressives. Don't worry about me changing 129 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600 my mind on fracking and quote unquote moving. 130 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.680 To the the border and for. 131 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.759 The rest of that right, once I'm in offense, it's 132 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:22.800 going to be the same old you know, Joe Biden 133 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.199 times ten crazy stuff. The progressive mob will still be 134 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.360 in charge and so forth. But I have to say, John, 135 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.959 has CaMLA captured your vote by claiming that she worked 136 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:33.399 at McDonald's as a young person. 137 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:38.040 Apparently she lied. I bet she's the reason why Dolan 138 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.279 Valor the McClory machine's always broken because of her. 139 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.759 No, you cannot blame kamalamading Dong for that. She actually 140 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.720 lied about it. There is no evidence it's stolen valor 141 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:54.279 that she worked at McDonald's. There's no evidence from McDonald's. 142 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.920 There's no She never discussed it in any of her 143 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.160 previous biographies, it's never been on a resume, and so 144 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:02.720 it turns out she lied about it. 145 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.199 Well, what was she got her to do is identify 146 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:09.600 the actual place and who the manager was actually even 147 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.319 exists that actually worked the machines. 148 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.879 Maybe you can get Dana Bash to ask her that 149 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.000 and then give her the answer to But I actually. 150 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:22.560 Think the interview was a little was clever in this respect. 151 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.360 I think it's as Steve said, she's running from the 152 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:27.800 left and she's trying to portray herself for as a moderate. 153 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.480 The interesting I didn't hear her talk about was any 154 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.639 identity politics, right. She didn't go on and on about 155 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.959 how she'd be the first woman president, so first black 156 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.920 woman president. I thought that was obviously. She didn't talk 157 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.600 much about abortion, which you know, on the stump has 158 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.879 been her big issue, barely mentioned it, if she did 159 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.519 mention it more than once. In terms of this other 160 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.279 than talking about freedom, freedom, freedom, I didn't see it. 161 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.360 It was you know, she she made her pitch based 162 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.240 on making life better for eco, life better for the 163 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.720 middle class, which you know, all the policy she's have 164 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:06.560 been involved with for the last three years have. 165 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.879 Ruined, you know, this whole McDonald's thing is kind of 166 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.800 interesting in this sense. It was true at one point, 167 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:14.879 and I haven't looked for a long time, but twenty 168 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.759 some years ago I heard a statistic, which I think 169 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:22.279 was correct, that something like two thirds of all non 170 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:27.120 college educated working Americans had their first job in fast food, 171 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.360 you know, as teenagers, so you know, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, whatever. 172 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:31.920 It was an enormous number. 173 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.039 In other words, that is the entry level job experience 174 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.200 for a very large number of Americans. 175 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.240 And I don't know if that's still true or not. 176 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.679 It might be, but with all the immigration other things 177 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.480 that it might have crossed it up or made it bigger. 178 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.559 I don't know, but I do wonder if there isn't 179 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.759 something interesting to be done in a careful study of 180 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:53.679 you know, again, it's another aspect of the class divide. 181 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:57.039 To the people who had their first jobs at McDonald's 182 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.759 and other fast foods, are they overwhelmingly Trump voters. I'll 183 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.960 bet the answer is yes. And are the you know, 184 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.480 the people who worked as interns at the Human Rights 185 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.159 Campaign Fund or whatever, right, you know, the more elite 186 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.440 occupations of the world and the higher education and so forth. 187 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.799 Are they skewed the lab. I bet that's probably true too, 188 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:16.639 could be interesting. 189 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:21.200 I don't know nowadays. Go ahead, I was just going 190 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:23.240 to say, so a couple of things on that I 191 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:27.799 have not yet seen a McDonald's lately that wasn't staffed, 192 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.279 not by young, pimply faced people in high school or 193 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:36.960 in college, but by robots. You know, they're all kiosks. 194 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.960 And so number one, number two, Uh, there's the only 195 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.559 couple of McDonald's in the time in which I live, 196 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.000 one of them in a sort of there's not much 197 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.639 else out there. On a Saturday night at six point thirty, 198 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.000 we drove by it. There was one car in the 199 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:57.799 drive through, no cars in the parking lot. McDonald's is suffering, suffering, seriously. 200 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.320 So I don't think any any of those hard working 201 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.399 middle westerners, you know, teenagers are working at McDonald's anymore. 202 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:05.840 Is when it comes down. But they did. 203 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.759 Yeah, I mean it is shocking how expensive it is 204 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.240 now if you're not eating on the dollar menu like 205 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:11.840 John does. 206 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.879 But you know he eats on the app. 207 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:16.919 I the app. 208 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.480 Yeah, you get free fries almost every time you order 209 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.759 on the app. Steve, you are so primitive. But I 210 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.919 don't know I think Lucreatie is right. Every time you 211 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.960 go into McDonald's, I've always impressed at the latest technology 212 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.600 they've adopted. So they yeah, the ki everybody uses the 213 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.879 kiosks now. 214 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.399 But I do remember fondly the commercials that were popular 215 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.759 might have been before John's time, but I'm sure Steve 216 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:40.840 you'll remember it. I think I mentioned it before, is 217 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.279 the commercials of all the famous people whose first job 218 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.679 it was a McDonald's commercial, was first job was working 219 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:50.080 at McDonald's. It was really I thought quite a quite 220 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:51.200 a compelling commercial. 221 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:53.279 Well, I mean, part of the point of that old 222 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.080 statistic I mentioned was is everybody looks down on We 223 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.919 used to call the mac jobs, you know, fast food job, 224 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:03.240 burger flipping. But that teaches young people the first discipline 225 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.279 of the workplace, right, Yes, you got to do a 226 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.559 job well, you got to show up on time, et cetera. 227 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.320 So they got to put up with lousy bosses and 228 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.399 co worker. You know, it's a it's a can have 229 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.759 to be quite useful, something schools can't. 230 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.679 Teach and not intended to be a lifetime occupation. Correct, 231 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.000 That's why you don't have to have a minimum wage 232 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.200 to shouldn't have to have a minimum wage to work 233 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:23.960 at McDonald's. 234 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.960 Yeah, right, and the opportunity to be surrounded by great 235 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.840 American food twenty four to seven. It used to be 236 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.879 great American food that you should pay for the privilege. 237 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:36.559 Yeah. 238 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.000 Well, Actually, one funny thing is we've all been traveling 239 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.360 abroad these last few years, and I always go to 240 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.440 McDonald's and places abroad, and I think McDonald's has become 241 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.440 the kind of like a hit place for teenagers in 242 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.679 other countries to hang out. Yeah, like the it's people 243 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:54.720 who don't want to eat like Italian food or French 244 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.039 food all the time, they go hang out at McDonald's. 245 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.080 Love. Yeah. 246 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.600 Two things about the one is that I remember in Germany, 247 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.159 back to the McDonald's in a second, that the people 248 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.879 would stand in line in the summertime for and it 249 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.360 was field corn. It wasn't sweet corn, but corn on 250 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.879 the cob, because that was such a novelty in Germany. 251 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.240 But the other thing was so and we were transferred 252 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.240 to Germany and we'd only been there about a week, 253 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.679 and our getting there, the whole arrival was pretty much 254 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.240 of a disaster that I won't go into. So we 255 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.080 have little kids, you know, the kids are little, and 256 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.879 we see a McDonald's and it just looks like home. 257 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.159 It looks like home. So we go to McDonald's. My 258 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.600 little guy, my big guy was then a little guy, 259 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.080 get him a happy meal. First of all, they want 260 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.120 to charge you for ketchup. It was ten fennings for ketchup, 261 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:47.440 but mayonnaise was free for your French fries bill Esteine's. 262 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:53.799 But also so the happy meal came with a hot wheel. 263 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.720 It was a hot wheel happy meal. So it came 264 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.559 with a little hot wheel car and a little and 265 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:02.679 a piece of track. The piece of track had mandatory 266 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:06.200 direction of travel arrows on it, which is if you've 267 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.159 ever spent any time in Germany, it was just such 268 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:14.320 the German what would you call it? Subversion of the 269 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:19.159 great American happy meal. That's my story about McDonald's. 270 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.519 Yeah, well they're beating the crap out of them. Twice 271 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.559 didn't fully work. We gotta go back one more. 272 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:28.080 We gotta go back on that note. Then then the 273 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.919 little guy went to German kindergarten and got kicked out 274 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.840 on the first day because somebody tried to take a 275 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.720 toy from him, which I guess is allowed. And he 276 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.200 beat the you know what out of. 277 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:47.840 Them, Steve. Steve's a big fan of The Simpsons. One 278 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.879 of the I think funniest things I ever saw the 279 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.000 Simpsons was the ann Rand Kindergarten. 280 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.559 Oh yes, and ran school for tots, Yes, where the 281 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.480 motto on the on the side of the wall was 282 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:58.399 A is not non a. 283 00:13:58.480 --> 00:13:59.720 Oh yeah, that was wonderful stuff. 284 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.799 Right, all right, Well enough about Kamala and McDonald's. 285 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:08.039 And uh so we'll go onto the main course, shall we. 286 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.720 I mean, we could talk about poles, but that'll keep 287 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:10.960 because I have lots of thoughts on that and they 288 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.720 will change. All right, So, listeners, today is a back 289 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.720 to the classroom episode, and really it's John is sitting 290 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.320 in the corner in the dunce cap, so we're making 291 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.919 him go back to the classroom. 292 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.200 You did realize that was going to happen, John, Right, 293 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:25.200 Let me give them. 294 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.639 Back then I learned best from the best from the 295 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:29.639 back of the room, probably like most of the listeners. 296 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.279 Okay, let me set the scene for listeners. 297 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:32.480 Here. 298 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:35.720 This story, this story topic that evolved during the week. 299 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.360 So early in the week on Twitter, Seth Dillon, who's 300 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.159 one of the proprietors of the magnificent Babylon Bee posted 301 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:44.879 a tweet, a long one. I guess he's got one 302 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.799 of those accounts where you can write over two hundred 303 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.600 and eighty characters, in which he expressed supreme disappointment and 304 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:55.120 criticism in Donald Trump for going wobbly on abortion. Uh 305 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.440 and and there's like recent news on that. Late in 306 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:59.919 the week, he said he opposed the Florida law the 307 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.840 would ban abortion of six weeks, but then his campaign 308 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.600 issue to state and saying not necessarily. 309 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:05.840 So it's a very confused scene. 310 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.080 Never mind exactly where he stands. It was Dylan's argument 311 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.120 that's important. What he said was, look, you know, we 312 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.720 didn't leave slavery to the states. That wasn't Lincoln's position. 313 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:19.039 Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery something words to that effect, 314 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.320 to which our own Lucretia Recla replied at some length 315 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.399 on Twitter saying you didn't put it this way, Lucretia, 316 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:26.639 but sent your Babylon beefan. 317 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:28.480 The subtext was, look. 318 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.000 I love you, Seth, I love to be, but you 319 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:35.120 are misunderstanding Lincoln's prudence in the case. And I have 320 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:36.759 more ways to set up the depth of topic, but 321 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:39.279 I will let you go ahead and restate the argument 322 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:40.759 as you put it, because you'll do it better. 323 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:41.840 Than I am. 324 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.399 Yes, I probably won't because I had to think that 325 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.039 one through really well as I was writing it. Not 326 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.679 that I don't understand the argument, but to make it. 327 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:51.919 Started to interrupt. 328 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.559 I mentioned I did post it the whole exchange on 329 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.039 power line early in the week, but for people didn't 330 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.919 see it, I'll a link to it in the sh 331 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:01.200 oh no, but but go ahead. 332 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:07.120 So so the point I think that number that because 333 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.279 John has mentioned this before and in podcasts, there are 334 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.279 quite a few analogies between the debate over slavery and 335 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.960 the debate over abortion, beginning with the fact that it 336 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.639 is a question of what is a human being? That 337 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.519 was a question, uh that was very prominent in the 338 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.840 slavery debate. People don't necessarily want to confront that all 339 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.039 of the time, but it's the same question that comes 340 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:37.360 up in the abortion debate. When when When is an 341 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:42.000 unborn baby? When is a fetus uh, actually a human 342 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.440 being and therefore deserving of the protection of the state. 343 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:51.039 The question in the Antebellum period about slavery was, of course, 344 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:55.240 is a is a slave a black? A person born. 345 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.799 You know, as Dred Scott put it, the decision, uh, 346 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:03.120 is a person of African considered a human being that 347 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.000 possesses all the rights and privileges that we give to 348 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.160 human beings. And the Supreme Court's decision in that case 349 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.279 was no right just very much as you might say 350 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.000 the decision in Roe versus Wade was a no. You 351 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.880 know that an unborn child is not a human being, 352 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.720 at least not for the first two trimsters, I guess 353 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:28.279 you could say anyway. So that's the first part, and 354 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:34.240 that's the beginning point for Lincoln, which is that yes, 355 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.880 in fact, and he spent a lot of time, a 356 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.519 lot of conversations proving that not only was a black 357 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.599 a human being, a slave a human being, but that 358 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.680 the South and slave owners considered them human beings as well. 359 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.759 The nature of their laws, the protections, that the fact 360 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.599 that slaves could in fact be held to the criminal code, 361 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.160 to the moral law, all of these things proved in 362 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.759 Lincoln's view that blacks for human beings, and if human beings, 363 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.799 then should have the protection guaranteed to them by the 364 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:13.759 Constitution as human beings under the meaning of the Decoration 365 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:19.400 of Independence. But that being said, Lincoln understood probably better 366 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.839 than anyone, why it was impossible, either in seventeen eighty 367 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:28.480 seven or perhaps even in eighteen save fifty four, simply 368 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:33.359 to abolish slavery and make all the slaves free, and 369 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.799 then that, in that way make the Constitution consistent with 370 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.079 the Declaration of Independence. That was really his you know, 371 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.359 over simple like yeah, jump in. 372 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.200 Steve, Well, just interrupt to make sure you enumerate what 373 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:46.200 those factors are. 374 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.079 I think maybe you would. 375 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.039 But it's public opinion was not supporting that, certainly in 376 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:50.440 the South. 377 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:51.559 But gets it. 378 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.640 Okay, Well, couple ahead. But you have people saying that 379 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.599 Lincoln was just outright against slavery, which he was. He 380 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.559 believed it was a he believed it was a moral evil. 381 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:09.680 He believed that that official support for the idea that 382 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:15.440 slavery was a positive good, that blacks were somehow an 383 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.599 inferior form of being, not deserving of the same rights 384 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.200 as whites, all of those things, if those became the 385 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:28.519 official positions, would destroy the possibility of freedom and really 386 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.200 destroy the possibility that the Constitution could protect the rights 387 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.839 of even white citizens. I'm not doing a really great 388 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.799 job of this because I'm trying to pull too much together. 389 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:43.920 But that being said, the Constitution did in fact make 390 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.119 slavery legal, or excuse me, I'll say this right, Steve, Sorry, 391 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.640 the Constitution did in fact allow states to make a 392 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:55.799 decision about slavery under the principles of federalism, and that 393 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.359 the fact of slavery, the institution of slavery among so 394 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:04.400 many Southern states, the economic dependence upon it. You have 395 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:09.079 the great Jefferson line that says, can the liberties of 396 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:11.240 a nation be thought secure when we've removed their only 397 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.039 firm basis that our rights are the gift of God? 398 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.839 And he goes on and talks about how God's going 399 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.599 to bring about his wrath on slave owners and it'll 400 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.440 be justified. I mean, Lincoln Jefferson are very clear slavery 401 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.759