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<v Speaker 1>Time now for our community connection right here on K one,

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<v Speaker 1>the one New Trust. And every time we have someone

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<v Speaker 1>in from Oklahoma Wesleyan University, it's always a special vacasion

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<v Speaker 1>here with us. We've got doctor Fred Worth here with us.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a professor of mathematics. And you've got a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a special presentation coming up, don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Next Tuesday, the twenty first, at six thirty pm in

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<v Speaker 3>Lion Hall, that's the same building as the Chapel. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about the adventures I've had going to visit

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<v Speaker 3>graves of people associated with Major League Baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that's not something that happens every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I know about twelve other people who do that, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of them is a friend of mine just right

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<v Speaker 3>across the hall, mister Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks at the great He takes great interest in

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<v Speaker 1>that because he says, with every little monument, there's a story.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I've done it. I don't go to local cemeteries.

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<v Speaker 3>That don't go to a cemetery to start walking around. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I find out where the baseball players are buried. And

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<v Speaker 3>I've been to forty eight states and Washington, DC, and

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<v Speaker 3>to this point it visited ten thou and fifty four graves.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is incredible. Now over two hundred of these

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<v Speaker 1>have been Hall of Famers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, some of them ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean,

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<v Speaker 3>which is not dissatisfying.

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<v Speaker 2>Babe, Ruth lou Gerrig larren.

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<v Speaker 3>Spahn, who's in heartsor in Oklahoma, Joe McGinnity who's in McAllister, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are a couple others in Oklahoma. And then

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<v Speaker 3>there are also ones that even if you're a hardcore

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<v Speaker 3>baseball fan, you've never heard of. One of my favorites

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<v Speaker 3>of that is Bob Mavis and his entire major league career.

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<v Speaker 3>He played for the Tigers back and I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was the nineteen thirties and they were playing in Yankee Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy reached first base in the ninth inning, Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Mavis went into pinch run, he advanced his second and

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<v Speaker 3>then the game ended. So his entire major league career

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<v Speaker 3>was jogging ninety feet.

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<v Speaker 1>But he got paid that he did more than most

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<v Speaker 1>He got paid to play baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a long minor league career, but that was

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<v Speaker 3>his entire major league career. Another one that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people will have heard of would be Moonlight Graham

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<v Speaker 3>if you know the movie Field of Dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's in Rochester, Minnesota. I've been to his grave.

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<v Speaker 1>My goodness. You know, the stories behind these people are

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<v Speaker 1>just incredible. Sometimes pretty funny, other times kind of tragic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but boy, interesting all the same, all the way around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are a lot of interesting stories, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>actually gotten to experience it on a different level with

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<v Speaker 3>a few. There have been sometimes in trying to find

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<v Speaker 3>out where the player is buried, I've actually had to

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<v Speaker 3>contact family members. I've had two cases where I met

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<v Speaker 3>family members by chance at the grave. Bill Kelso is

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<v Speaker 3>buried near Kansas City, and about a month after he died,

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<v Speaker 3>I was at the grave and a young woman came

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<v Speaker 3>up to the grave and I felt a little bit offward.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, are you family? It was his daughter. He

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<v Speaker 3>had been just buried for a month and his daughter

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<v Speaker 3>was there visiting. So we chatted for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>And in all the different times I've talked to family,

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<v Speaker 3>with one exception, one didn't go very pleasantly, but the

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<v Speaker 3>vast majority of the time they've been pleased that somebody

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<v Speaker 3>still remembers their father and grandfather, husband, whatever it may.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the family of Roger Morris lives in Gamesville, Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>and I lived there for about ten years. And the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is that the boys looked just like dad

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<v Speaker 1>to carry on just like dad. One's a high school

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<v Speaker 1>baseball coach, one's a high school principal. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is that the family keeps the name alive. The

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<v Speaker 1>family keeps Roger alive too. And I was just wondering

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<v Speaker 1>with some of these ballplayers, you know, the gravetone, the

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<v Speaker 1>gravestone sometimes is the only thing that keeps the person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, top of mind in any kind of circumstance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, for fans, one thing, it's been interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>I never expected this when I first started doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times fans will lead memorabilia behind will

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<v Speaker 3>and Roger Maris is an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 2>When I visited his he's in.

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<v Speaker 3>Fargo, North Dakota, about six feet from Ken Hunt, who

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<v Speaker 3>also played Major League baseball, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>memorabilia there was golf balls because apparently he sponsored a

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<v Speaker 3>golf tournament and so the people involved with that. But

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<v Speaker 3>Babe Bruth's grave, you'll see bats, you'll see balls. A

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<v Speaker 3>friend of mine went to Baby Bruth's grave and it

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<v Speaker 3>was raining. So he wrote a note to Baby Bruth, Baby,

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<v Speaker 3>you were the greatest, and he put it in a

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<v Speaker 3>ziploc bag and he left.

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<v Speaker 2>It on the grave.

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<v Speaker 3>And a month later a friend of his was at

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<v Speaker 3>the Babruth Museum in Baltimore, and that guy's note was

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<v Speaker 3>at the Baby Ruth Museum.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So they would occasionally go to the grave, any interesting

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<v Speaker 3>memorabilia they would take.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it into the museum. My goodness, say, so what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spawned this interest?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been a baseball fan since I was little, or

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much when I was in first grade, I got

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<v Speaker 3>upset when I got home, and I was upset because

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<v Speaker 3>they hadn't taught us how to do long division yet,

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<v Speaker 3>which isn't till fourth grade. Yeah, but I had found

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<v Speaker 3>out that if I could do long division, I could

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<v Speaker 3>do baseball batting averages. And so my mother taught me

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<v Speaker 3>how to do long division when I was in first grade,

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<v Speaker 3>so I could do that. But I've loved baseball, I've

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<v Speaker 3>loved mathematics. In two thousand and four, I was teaching

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<v Speaker 3>at the University in Arkansas and I found out that

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<v Speaker 3>there was a Hall of Famer who was buried about

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<v Speaker 3>an hour away in Waldo, Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>Which leads to the obvious joke, where's Waldo?

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<v Speaker 3>But it's about an hour south of Arkadelphia, which is

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<v Speaker 3>where I lived, And so we drove down there naively

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<v Speaker 3>thinking we'd just go to a cemetery and find a grave.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was small enough cemetery that it worked. Been

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<v Speaker 3>to other cemeteries. Spring Grove he in Cincinnati, is seven

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<v Speaker 3>hundred acres. You're not gonna just walk around and find anybody, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>especially since a lot of them about nine percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the graves have been to have been unmarked graves.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of those are in cities, bigger cities. There are

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<v Speaker 3>a few more rural areas. But sometimes the players end

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<v Speaker 3>up being destitute. There was one in New York in Queens,

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<v Speaker 3>Cristabal Torriente.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Cuban.

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<v Speaker 3>He's actually in the Hall of Fame and he's in

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<v Speaker 3>an unmarked grave because at the end of his life

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<v Speaker 3>he was very ill, had no money and the cemetery

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<v Speaker 3>provided a spot. But it's actually a non titled grave,

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<v Speaker 3>is what they call it. You're not allowed to put

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<v Speaker 3>a marker somebody wanted to put when you would not

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<v Speaker 3>be allowed to but one thing about this talk next

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<v Speaker 3>Tuesday night. Some people think, no baseball, I don't like baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>It really doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a history.

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<v Speaker 3>You can enjoy the stories. I've got some stories, at

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<v Speaker 3>least I think are hilarious. Some I would call providential,

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<v Speaker 3>some a little bit weird. Ted Williams will be one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that one, that one's the most unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>So they really don't have to like anything about baseball

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<v Speaker 3>at all to enjoy the talk. There are just a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of interesting stories because like you said, it is history.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is going to be at six point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be on the twenty first Lion Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right there with the big chapel. And what's the

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<v Speaker 1>admission to get in.

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<v Speaker 3>The admission to get in is being able to get

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<v Speaker 3>in the room. Okay, it's free, Yeah, completely free, open

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<v Speaker 3>to the public. We'd be happy to have anybody who

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<v Speaker 3>wants to come by you join us.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be a very interesting evening on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different levels. It really is because knowing

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<v Speaker 1>the game I played a little bit, the players have

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<v Speaker 1>a different kind of oblique look on life, and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of carried through it with the stories after their

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<v Speaker 1>death too. I mean, some of these guys, they were

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<v Speaker 1>just different, some more unusual people, very unusual. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that were somewhat normal were just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>odd to the to the folks outside the game. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you told me you learned long division.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a handful of guys that I had played

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<v Speaker 1>with in college and the miners, they had their batting

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<v Speaker 1>average figured out by the time they round the first base.

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<v Speaker 1>They mean, even if they had batted, you know, hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and some odd times that that season, they had it.

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<v Speaker 1>They had it, and they used that too. Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned me, you really, you mentioned me. I'm hitting three eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing is a little frustrating a little more and

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<v Speaker 3>more players being cremated. Oh yeah, Sometimes after they've been cremated,

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<v Speaker 3>they will be buried. Sometimes they're waiting till the wife

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<v Speaker 3>has away as well. I talked to one fellow to

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<v Speaker 3>find out where his father was, and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got his ashes, but we're gonna wait until my

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<v Speaker 3>mom passes away. So I thought about paulin the next

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<v Speaker 1>But I decided that probably would be a good idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a little too ear.

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<v Speaker 3>But Willie Mays is one we don't know where he

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<v Speaker 3>is and he is my all time favorite guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't pass away but recently. Yeah, and nobody

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<v Speaker 3>As far as we know, he could be sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>an urn. I had one. It was actually in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>The woman who I asked where the guy was buried,

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<v Speaker 3>his widow said, oh, he's in the here. He's here

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<v Speaker 3>in the den with me, which caught me off guard

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<v Speaker 3>at first. The urn in which his ashes were was sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>In the den. So then it made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you hear about some of these grades you talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie Banks was one of them. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if he what happened to him after he passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>but he died broke.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a couple of different family members, caretaker and

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<v Speaker 3>an ex wife who were fighting over what to do

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<v Speaker 3>with him. He is in I think it's Evergreen Cemetery

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<v Speaker 3>in Chicago suburb in Chicago. He's had two different markers,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's real nice grave.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He was not doing well financially, but somebody funded a

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<v Speaker 3>really nice marker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certain several families who were familiar with the banks

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<v Speaker 2>Took care of There are a lot of Cup fans

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<v Speaker 2>who pay for a gray for banks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is gonna be an exciting presentation. This is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be great again. Six point thirty. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be on the twenty first at Oklahoma Wesleyan University Lion Hall,

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<v Speaker 1>same building as the Chapel. And like you said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that's not necessarily for baseball fans, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a baseball fan, it's icing on the cake.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll recognize a lot of names.

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<v Speaker 1>You will, And it's kind of funny that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's our national pastime and people will mark eras sometime

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<v Speaker 1>with basement Oh yeah, you know, that's that's when so

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<v Speaker 1>and so played, That's when Mantle played, Oh that's when

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<v Speaker 1>Kofax was pitched or something, and they kind of draws

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<v Speaker 1>them back in there. Then all of a sudden, the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the history starts to pop in. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to thank you very much, Fred for coming in here

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<v Speaker 1>and telling us about this. And folks, make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to have a pencil or scorecard. You just

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<v Speaker 1>got to show up and let's have some fun. With

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<v Speaker 1>us Fred Worth.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, sir alrighty