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<v Speaker 1>Astonishing Legends Network Disclaimer. This episode includes the usual amount

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<v Speaker 1>of adult language and graphic discussions you've come to expect

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<v Speaker 1>around here, but in the event it becomes an unusual amount,

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<v Speaker 1>expect another call from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome back to Scaret all the time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host, Chris Klari.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Ed. And I can't see and Ed can't.

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<v Speaker 2>See because we are wearing our safety glasses because this

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<v Speaker 2>week on the show, we are taking a long look

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<v Speaker 2>at the sun. Well, not directly at the sun. Don't please,

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<v Speaker 2>don't look directly at it. We're going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at solar eclipses. The next one is coming up

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<v Speaker 2>in about a week, on August twelfth, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be visible over the Arctic, Greenland, Iceland, the Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>northern Spain, and parts of Portugal. And if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>those parts of the world and listening to this show,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably already know that's going to be a total

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<v Speaker 2>solar eclipse.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, see these glasses, we don't need these here, We.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't need these here. We could actually take these off.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and then we could see all right, Oh that's better,

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<v Speaker 2>that's better.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, I've been hanging on to these for

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<v Speaker 3>the next solar eclipse for a long time and hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to talk a little bit about these

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<v Speaker 2>glasses in a little bit, but I want to start

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<v Speaker 2>by saying, in modern times, solar eclipses feel fun. You

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<v Speaker 2>order these little cardboard glasses, you go stand in a

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot with your coworkers, you go oooh for ninety seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you go back inside and probably post about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But that reaction, that fun reaction, makes us historical outliers,

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<v Speaker 2>because for basically everyone who has ever lived before us,

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<v Speaker 2>the daytime sky going dark was the single most terrifying

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<v Speaker 2>thing that could happen. It was a sign that either

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<v Speaker 2>a god was dying or a demon was lose, so

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<v Speaker 2>the world was ending, or at the absolute minimum, that

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<v Speaker 2>you and everyone you loved are about to get eaten

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<v Speaker 2>by some creature from the sky. And look, our ancestors

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<v Speaker 2>were not entirely wrong to be scared. And eclips can

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<v Speaker 2>hurt you. It can reach down out of the sky

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<v Speaker 2>and brand a scar into the back of your eyeball

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<v Speaker 2>painlessly in a couple of seconds, and you won't feel

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<v Speaker 2>a thing until your vision starts to go, but as

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<v Speaker 2>far as solar eclipse horrors go, that's honestly the best

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<v Speaker 2>case scenario. Sovirtu your eyes and turn up the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to shed a little light on solar eclipses.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we screw? When are we all the time? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Which is time?

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<v Speaker 2>Full time scat.

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<v Speaker 3>All? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me start by saying that I know solar eclipses

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<v Speaker 2>are not exclusively a summer thing. They don't just happen

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<v Speaker 2>during the summer, but I thought that they would be

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<v Speaker 2>good for the summer year because we're about six days

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<v Speaker 2>out from a pretty significant one, and solar eclipses are

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<v Speaker 2>Sun related.

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<v Speaker 3>Sun and Sun is summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Sun is summer ed. I ask you what is more

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<v Speaker 2>summery than sun? I can't think of it, literally nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe we'll just do the sun next summer. That

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably a good one. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying things about it. But until then, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what happens when it seems like it disappears

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<v Speaker 2>from the sky completely. Before we get into our personal

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<v Speaker 2>experiences with eclipses, as we usually start off the show

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<v Speaker 2>with our personal fear connection.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to say, with the Sun, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>every morning I wake up and that piece of shit

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<v Speaker 3>it's still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Still it's welcoming.

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<v Speaker 3>Viting life, but also being annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Being annoying, burning your skin, especially out here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, chasing you if you're Mario. Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get into our experiences of solar eclipses, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's probably good to just clue the

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<v Speaker 2>entire audience in if they aren't aware on what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>a solar eclipse is. So, in a total solar eclipse,

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun seems to completely disappear from the sky. It's blocked.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a big black circle goes in front of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't see the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even like an iris or like a ring.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there is, yes, but when an eclipse happens, it

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<v Speaker 2>is being covered up or eclipsed by the Moon sliding

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<v Speaker 2>directly between the orbit of the Earth and the orbit

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sun. And the first crazy fact about eclipses

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<v Speaker 2>is that the only reason they happen and the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we see them on Earth is because the Sun

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<v Speaker 2>is about four hundred times wider than the Moon, and

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<v Speaker 2>it also happens to be about four hundred times farther away,

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<v Speaker 2>which means when the Moon comes directly between the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>and the Sun, it blocks out the Sun exactly. They

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<v Speaker 2>look to us to be about the same side.

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<v Speaker 3>That worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's a really wild coincidence. And according to NASA,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a thing that has to happen scientifically. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a thing that happens to be true right now

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth at this point in time, and it won't

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<v Speaker 2>be true forever because the Moon is slowly drifting away

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<v Speaker 2>from our planet.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it, I've met us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not our fault, humanity, humanity, you and.

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<v Speaker 3>I oh yeah, yeah, we're saying, if you have the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to go, go. You never hear a billionaires talking

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<v Speaker 3>about fixing anything here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, they talk about they want to put some

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<v Speaker 2>bases on the moon, But the Moon is drifting away

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<v Speaker 2>and in a few hundred million years there won't be

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<v Speaker 2>any total eclipses at all because the Moon will be

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<v Speaker 2>in a different position, and so it won't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to fully eclipse the Sun. When the moon does eclipse

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun, and.

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<v Speaker 3>A big pizza pie.

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<v Speaker 2>When the moon hits the Sun like a big pizza pie.

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<v Speaker 2>As the song famously goes. NASA also tells us that

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<v Speaker 2>the people on Earth who are located in the center

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<v Speaker 2>of the shadow that the Moon casts will experience a

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<v Speaker 2>total eclipse. The sky will darken almost to dawn or

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<v Speaker 2>dusk even darker, and weather permitting, people standing in that path,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how clear the sky is, will be able

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<v Speaker 2>to see the Sun's corona or the outer atmosphere, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what I think you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's what Iran talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Normally, you can't see the corona because the Sun is

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<v Speaker 2>so bright. First of all, you shouldn't be looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you were to look at the Sun, then

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<v Speaker 2>you can't see the atmosphere because the light of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun is so bright, it doesn't it doesn't appear to

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<v Speaker 2>the eye. If you aren't directly in the Moon's shadow

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<v Speaker 2>when it slides in front of the Sun, you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>a partial eclipse, which is much more common. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on where you are in the world, some people

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<v Speaker 2>are experiencing a total eclipse, while the rest of us

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<v Speaker 2>are only experiencing a partial eclipse. They're not, They're the

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<v Speaker 2>same celestial event. Just depends on your perspective, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're seeing a partial eclipse. That's the one where

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like the moon has taken a bite of

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun or there's a crescent.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're all fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all fun, they're all pretty cool. And there are

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<v Speaker 2>three other types of eclipses that we won't really get into.

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<v Speaker 2>There's annular, partial, and hybrid, which are all kind of

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<v Speaker 2>majestic in their own ways, but none of them hold

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of power over the human imagination as

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<v Speaker 2>a full total solar eclipse, even though we know much

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<v Speaker 2>more now about what caused his solar eclipses than our

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors ever did. I don't think experiencing an eclipse in

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<v Speaker 2>the present day makes it. I don't think it's any

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<v Speaker 2>less powerful of an experience than when people thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a sky god eating the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's cool. I mean it's it's a little less

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<v Speaker 3>powerful experience because I have a good picture from the

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<v Speaker 3>last eclipse of like a local news reporter just dressed

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<v Speaker 3>like the sun and it just sucked and it was

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<v Speaker 3>like this epic event, and then this person being like, Eh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is Chad from w I hate my fucking life.

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<v Speaker 3>Sun's getting the way of the moon or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The Moon's getting in the way of the Sun. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's keep let's try to keep that straight. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the moon blocking out the Sun?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, or yeah, I think each time it is, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know it is, it is every time if the Sun

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<v Speaker 2>blocked out the moon, I don't know that you would notice.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are lunar eclipses. I guess that's what. Oh, No,

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<v Speaker 2>the lunar eclipse is when the Earth gets between the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what I'm saying. There's no way the Sun's

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<v Speaker 3>the Sun's just not It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Possible, right right, right, The Sun is at this really

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<v Speaker 2>far away. What's so majestic about it? Is that? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's sort of because of our perspective on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of hard to keep this in mind. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>but we are watching a moon block out a star

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<v Speaker 2>in real time. I mean it's about as Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>force perspective, but yes, it's forced perspective, but it still

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<v Speaker 2>is an awe inspiring force perspective. Look, I know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Lord of the Rings was done with forced perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's still pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>This time, I have the glasses, all right, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be told about awe inspiring. I have the glasses.

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<v Speaker 3>I like looking at it. It's fun. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>money to travel for whatever this one is, but I

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<v Speaker 3>have glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. The novelist James Fenimore Cooper captured the experience

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<v Speaker 2>well after he witnessed an eclipse in upstate New York,

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<v Speaker 2>and years later he recalled it vividly, saying, quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>shall only say that I have passed a varied and

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<v Speaker 2>eventful life, that it has been my fortune to see Earth, evans, ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and man in most of their aspects, he wrote, But

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<v Speaker 2>never have I beheld any spectacle which so plainly manifested

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<v Speaker 2>the majesty of the creator, or so forcibly taught the

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<v Speaker 2>lesson of humility to man as a total eclipse of

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<v Speaker 2>the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, year, do you write that? It's a long time

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<v Speaker 3>ago before the moon landing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, since before the moon landing. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>year he actually wrote this.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably is that what he's trying to convey there is

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<v Speaker 3>what the like is what Earth rise the picture should

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<v Speaker 3>be conveying to everyone. It seems like people have forgotten that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I would also argue that whatever lessons

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<v Speaker 2>of humility that man was so forcibly taught by the

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<v Speaker 2>eclipse that he witnessed were forgotten pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, with social media.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not a humble species. Because the experience of

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<v Speaker 2>a total eclipse is so majestic, people have gone to

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely unhinged lengths to experience them for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>possible when they happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard the movie Endless Summer? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a documentary from the night of the poster.

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<v Speaker 3>Better than I've never sat through the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandparents showed it to me when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think I really particularly enjoyed it at

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<v Speaker 2>showed me as a kid, I've rewatched them and gone,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow, they were trying to instill good taste in me.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's a great poster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great poster. The movie itself, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen it, is a documentary about a surfer who travels

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<v Speaker 2>around the world to always be surfing in the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>to have an endless summer where you can surf in

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<v Speaker 2>every cool location around the globe. And in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 2>a team of scientists sort of tried to do the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. Within Eclipse. They loaded onto a Concord jet,

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<v Speaker 2>the supersonic jet that we don't use anymore less because

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<v Speaker 3>Only twice. Only twice. I mean it's a little weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Only twice, and then we've given up supersonic flight commercially.

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<v Speaker 3>A little weird. We had that, and then we stepped

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<v Speaker 3>backwards as a society, and that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a little bit. But you know, I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was common in the sense couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Fly a lot of places. They had to fly over

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Australia couldn't fly a lot of places, and it

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<v Speaker 3>It was, and wasn't. I'd be interested to see what

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<v Speaker 3>the difference is just between a first class price now

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty six with a fucking oil crisis versus

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<v Speaker 3>like a coach seat if that existed on that right,

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<v Speaker 3>But it was even when it existed, the Concord was

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<v Speaker 3>really built for a very small segment of society, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think two jaw droppingly awful explosions that captured

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<v Speaker 3>the world's headlines was probably enough to make it a

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<v Speaker 3>financially unsustainable business after that. An interesting point to that,

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<v Speaker 3>when they were before they all blew up, they was

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<v Speaker 3>already at a financially unstable business because they just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have enough routes. And I think I read something somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>where it was like the people over there were like,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to charge more for tickets. It's like, how

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<v Speaker 3>much should we charge? And it was like, almost everyone

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<v Speaker 3>who flies the Concord it's a fucking corporate expense. They

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<v Speaker 3>probably know what they're spending. So they just were like,

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<v Speaker 3>just charge whatever we want and see what happens. And

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<v Speaker 3>so they charged like way more than they thought was

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<v Speaker 3>like not it was okay, but like, ye, we'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see, they said price, and they just kept getting

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<v Speaker 3>tickets sold because they were all like just corporate business cards.

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<v Speaker 3>It was no most real regular people weren't flying the Concord,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were exclusively flown by executives first class whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>They realized at that moment, like, yeah, these are all

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<v Speaker 3>corporate expense accounts, Like no one's even gonna notice what

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<v Speaker 2>So did they ever have to bring the price down

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<v Speaker 2>because someone did notice what they were charging.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think they all crash you for that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think they were like, oh shit, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a we could do a whole episode on the concord.

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<v Speaker 3>But America was one of the three countries that were

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be like paying for it. Like a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of countries went in on it, and then America bailed

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<v Speaker 3>the life minute to make the dreamline or whatever because

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, hey, you might have more it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very American thing to do, where basically they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you might be able to fly a ton more times

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth from New York to London than we can,

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<v Speaker 3>but we'll just build a plane so big that we

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<v Speaker 3>can sell more tickets that will come out the same.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have less times back and forth, but we'll have

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<v Speaker 3>so many more fares, right and so. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>they told them pretty late in the game and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of left them in the lurch a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that part of why I was poorly engineered and

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<v Speaker 2>exploded a lot because maybe we pulled out I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I don't know. I haven't revisited that long article

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<v Speaker 3>in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in this case, the concord was used for a

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<v Speaker 2>very unique purpose, which was this team of scientists again,

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<v Speaker 2>this was nineteen seventy three. They got onto the concord

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<v Speaker 2>the supersonic jet and they chased an eclipse across Africa

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<v Speaker 2>at faster than the speed of sound. So they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to stay inside the totality of the eclipse as long

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<v Speaker 2>as they could as the Earth and they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to stay inside the total darkness for about seventy four minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the longest that anyone ever could possibly experience

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<v Speaker 2>in eclipse. Well, I guess you could ride, you could

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<v Speaker 2>ride the shadow for longer, but on the ground, NASA

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<v Speaker 2>says the absolute theoretical maximum you could ever get out

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<v Speaker 2>of a total solar eclipse is around seven and a

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<v Speaker 2>half minutes, and that almost never happens. So they were

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<v Speaker 2>in totality for ten times as long as any human

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<v Speaker 2>being has ever been or probably will be. Although I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look up prices, apparently I saw my research. There

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<v Speaker 2>are commercial airlines that still offer special eclipse flights, so

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<v Speaker 2>when they know that they're going to be I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was even just like American airlines, if they know

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be flying the route through the path

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<v Speaker 2>of totality. They'll they make it like a special thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fun. You can buy tickets for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, we can't afford it, probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>But if anybody wants us to record a live episode

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<v Speaker 2>from the SKA, yeah, while experiencing a fear of flying

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<v Speaker 2>and eclipses, you know what to do. Send us those tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Most total eclipses, the longest is seven and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Most total eclipses give us two, three, maybe four minutes

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<v Speaker 2>if we're lucky. The longest one coming this millennium in

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<v Speaker 2>July of the year twenty one eighty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not gonna be wrong for that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it'll clock in it's seven minutes and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine seconds. So it's about the longest that anyone could

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<v Speaker 2>ever possibly experience if you are in Colombia, Venezuela or

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<v Speaker 2>Guyana where the totality will be visible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say it's gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>for forty one minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not, though I think is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna be here to find out I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>So just you heard it here. First, everyone, get down

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<v Speaker 3>to Colombia, it's gonna be a forty one minute fucking

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<v Speaker 3>of darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard it here first, everyone, I'm gonna bury it

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<v Speaker 2>on a hill in Guyana so that his corps will

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<v Speaker 2>be forced to watch him being wrong. Dude, probably market

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<v Speaker 2>Now on the other end of eclipses, the shortest total

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<v Speaker 2>solar eclipse happened on February third, nine, nineteen, the year

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<v Speaker 2>nine to nineteen, and lasted just nine seconds. Since you

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<v Speaker 2>and I ed were born in the mid eighties, the

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<v Speaker 2>US has experienced about fourteen major solar eclipses, two of

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<v Speaker 2>which have been total throughout lots of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was in nineteen ninety four. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember that one?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well this is where else this is? I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we're all stop and ask and say do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>ever seeing a total solar eclipse?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing eclipses. I've never stopped to confirm whether

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<v Speaker 3>it was a partial or a total. What was it

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<v Speaker 3>one like a year ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so that one I believe was twenty seventeen, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe was there one in twenty twenty four?

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<v Speaker 3>It was just these glasses or not deteriorated to nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It must have been a pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Recent Yeah, well, you would remember if.

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<v Speaker 3>You were ever if someone Trump looked directly at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the one in twenty seventeen, that was total. That

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<v Speaker 2>not where he was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I got. That's what I'm pretty sure that's

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<v Speaker 3>when these glasses are from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these glasses probably are from twenty seventeen. Let's see

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a date on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a lot of like First off, it's by

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<v Speaker 3>a company called Medical King Medical King, and I like

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<v Speaker 3>that it conforms and meets the transmission requirements of whatever filters.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also don't know if they just stamped that

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<v Speaker 3>on there. Well, we'm not gonna be able to confirm that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about that. And it's in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit here.

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<v Speaker 3>But before this, I think I would have any other

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<v Speaker 3>eclipse I looked at before purchasing this, it would have

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<v Speaker 3>just been through my dad's welding mask. Like my dad's

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<v Speaker 3>welding helmet. It is probably the only way we looked

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<v Speaker 3>at shit.

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<v Speaker 2>You would remember if you'd experienced a total eclipse, because

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<v Speaker 2>the sky goes dark. It's not like U like the

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<v Speaker 2>sun is blocked.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was here, you know what. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if even the twenty seventeen one was totally eclipse because

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<v Speaker 3>it was because I want to say that in my backyard,

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<v Speaker 3>they're like the dappled light right from the trees was

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<v Speaker 3>like little crescent moons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that happens. That happens many places where you get

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<v Speaker 2>the partial I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>If I ever saw a total clips.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure the one in nineteen ninety four, the Heart. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all experienced a total eclipse with the heart at

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<v Speaker 2>one time, rightah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But never never. Don't think I've ever seen total clips.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember maybe it didn't maybe it didn't pass over Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it must have been nineteen ninety four

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<v Speaker 2>because in Pennsylvania, I remember, I didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, but I remembered in elementary school there

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely one that our school had. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal, like we did a unit on it

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<v Speaker 2>and then we had like little I think we maybe

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<v Speaker 2>watched it through the shadow, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we built a stupid box thing. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>think we built like a now that you're saying it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think our class built a dumb thing made of

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<v Speaker 3>like cardboard. Yes, but also remember there was like an

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<v Speaker 3>important comment around the same time. Maybe, oh, hell, Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the mid nineties somewhere there.

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<v Speaker 3>Was something from my childhood that was comment based that

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<v Speaker 3>we also had like a classroom exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>For mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't don't remember anything about it because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just remembering it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was definitely it was a pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The one in La a few years ago in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>God, that feels like yesterday, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, but that was the doubt was

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<v Speaker 2>the dappled light one. That was the one where I

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<v Speaker 2>think I was maybe on a walk in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the day and I knew, I knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to happen, but I also knew you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it, and I just remember looking at

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<v Speaker 2>all the shadows of the leaves being those little crescent shadows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Eclipses are notoriously bad for people's eyesight because the only

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<v Speaker 2>safe time to look at a total eclipse without glasses

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<v Speaker 2>is the very moment or moments that the moon is

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<v Speaker 2>fully in front of the Sun and actually blocking it

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<v Speaker 2>all out. During those moments, you can safely look at

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<v Speaker 2>the eclipse, but.

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<v Speaker 3>But you got to be somewhere where it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>total clips You got to be in somewhere in South

428
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<v Speaker 3>America or neither Equator or something.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Well, you just have to be wherever the total eclipse

430
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<v Speaker 2>happens to be.

431
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<v Speaker 3>So they always fall out in here, they always fall.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Somewhere different depending where the shadow of the moon falls.

433
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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying like, I feel like plenty people are looking

434
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<v Speaker 3>right directly at it, thinking that they're safe, but they're

435
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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily in a place where it's one hundred percent.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And I becaun doubt. Because we are a socially

437
00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:16.519
<v Speaker 2>responsible podcast, I would even expand that rule to just say,

438
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<v Speaker 2>never look at it eclipse still directly, even if you

439
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<v Speaker 2>think it is the totality of the some of.

440
00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.440
<v Speaker 3>These glasses for a buck and use them for the

441
00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.000
<v Speaker 3>next two hundred years, or use your dad's welding mask.

442
00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, so here's here's the thing about using your dad's

443
00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.440
<v Speaker 2>welding mask or getting these glasses for a buck.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Of course, with great deals, both terrible ideas. Stop it.

445
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<v Speaker 2>According to CNN, during the twenty seventeen eclipse, viewers were

446
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<v Speaker 2>warned to view the event only through special glasses quote

447
00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.440
<v Speaker 2>filters that meet the ISO one two three one two

448
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.759
<v Speaker 2>dash two standard, which the glasses that ED and I

449
00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.880
<v Speaker 2>are holding claim to do claim to meet. Filters that

450
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<v Speaker 2>meet that standard reduce the Sun's brightness to a safe

451
00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and comfortable level like that of a full moon, and

452
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>block harmful ultraviolet and infrared radiation as well. Rick Finberg

453
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<v Speaker 2>of the American Astronomical Society said at the time, quote,

454
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<v Speaker 2>solar filters that meet this standard are about one hundred

455
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<v Speaker 2>thousand times darker than ordinary sunglasses, and sunglasses don't block

456
00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:17.559
<v Speaker 2>infrared radiation.

457
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I couldn't. I can't see you right now.

458
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<v Speaker 3>I can't even see any of the lights on in

459
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<v Speaker 3>this room.

460
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<v Speaker 2>We're putting we're putting the paper glasses back on here,

461
00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and I will say, look, you can't see anything.

462
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I can't claim that this is one hundred thousand times

464
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<v Speaker 2>darker than a regular pair of sunglasses, because I think

465
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<v Speaker 2>once you get past the thousand times darker, yeah, it's.

466
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<v Speaker 3>You know, to the paint at that point.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to my eye, it's all the same, but it's

468
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<v Speaker 2>not to science's eye. It's very important that it's one

469
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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand times darker. That's how well protected your eyes

470
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<v Speaker 2>have to be if you want to look directly at

471
00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the sun, and if you ignore those warnings, get ready

472
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<v Speaker 2>to experience something called zolar retinopathy, which is a fancy

473
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.039
<v Speaker 2>science way of saying going blind forever. It can be

474
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<v Speaker 2>for Okay, we've known that staring at the sun or

475
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<v Speaker 2>an eclipse is bad news for the human eye for centuries.

476
00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Socrates even advised that an eclipse only be watched indirectly

477
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<v Speaker 2>through a reflection in water, so they were warning people

478
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<v Speaker 2>back then, don't look at it. It's only relatively recently, though,

479
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<v Speaker 2>that we've figured out what exactly happens if you do.

480
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<v Speaker 2>This is kind of fucked up on the Sun's part

481
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<v Speaker 2>and our eyes part. I think when you stare at

482
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<v Speaker 2>the sun, the lens in your eye does what the

483
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.279
<v Speaker 2>lens always does. It focuses all that light down to

484
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<v Speaker 2>a tiny point on the back of your eye, right

485
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<v Speaker 2>on the part of your retina called the fhovia, which

486
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<v Speaker 2>is the part that you use to have sharp central vision. Normally,

487
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.359
<v Speaker 2>that light that you are focusing onto the back of

488
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<v Speaker 2>your retina is bouncing off the ground, the wall, a tree,

489
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>a car. It's indirect You're not looking directly at it,

490
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.359
<v Speaker 2>so it's safe when it's focused onto your phobia, but

491
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.759
<v Speaker 2>when you focus the full spectrum of the sun onto

492
00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:15.000
<v Speaker 2>your phobia, it literally cooks it. Some of the damage

493
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:19.200
<v Speaker 2>is thermal, like a magnifying glass over an ant, and

494
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.319
<v Speaker 2>some of it is photochemical, with the high energy light

495
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>pouring out of the sun basically poisoning the receptor cells

496
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<v Speaker 2>in your eye. Either way, you are burning out the

497
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.079
<v Speaker 2>most precious real estate in your visual system.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Don't do it.

499
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it. What's really nuts, though, and the reason

500
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that I think it's a little bit bullshit is that

501
00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.319
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't hurt because your retina doesn't have any pain receptors.

502
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:45.079
<v Speaker 2>So when you're standing there frying your own eyeballs out,

503
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.920
<v Speaker 2>your body sends you exactly zero warning signals. It's not

504
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<v Speaker 2>like touching a hot stove.

505
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<v Speaker 3>What if you, uh touched my eye? I feel it?

506
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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but you're not touching those nerves just the

507
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.880
<v Speaker 2>light doesn't. The retina is different than your eyeball.

508
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's all reason to be a fucking doctor about it.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Your eyeball has pain receptors in it, Yeah, your retina

510
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.880
<v Speaker 2>in the very back. The retina itself doesn't have any

511
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<v Speaker 2>pain receptors.

512
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the.

513
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Place where the light is being focused and doing the burning,

514
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it's not telling anybody. It's not telling anybody. It's a secret, yeah,

515
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the secret death.

516
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.440
<v Speaker 3>It has no mouth, but it must scream.

517
00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 2>So you can stare theoretically at the sun as long

518
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<v Speaker 2>as you want and you won't notice anything is wrong

519
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>until a few hours or a few days later, when

520
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you notice that there's like a smudge in your vision

521
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that you can't blink away. Colors sometimes look off straight,

522
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.079
<v Speaker 2>lines can appear bent, and some people do recover over

523
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the span of weeks or months, depending on how bad

524
00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>the damage is, but some people are just stuck with it,

525
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.839
<v Speaker 2>and there's really no from the research I did, there's

526
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<v Speaker 2>really nothing that can be done. There's no treatment.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, eyeballs. I think it's like a one and done.

528
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just sort of like if your body bounces back,

529
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>if your eyes bounce back, they bounce back. If they don't,

530
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<v Speaker 2>that's it.

531
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<v Speaker 3>That's so you look at a life of jagged lines. Now, buddy, Yeah,

532
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 3>talk me about we have eyelids that and to help

533
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 3>us sleep.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Wait, let me how about you run this theory by me?

535
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Ed we have eyelids?

536
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:13.839
<v Speaker 3>Why that's way, you don't. You don't burn up your.

537
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Retiness looking at the sun.

538
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can close your eyes.

539
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.039
<v Speaker 2>That might be one reason we have eyelids.

540
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:22.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel like lids are at least one hundred thousand

541
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<v Speaker 3>times darker than sunglasses.

542
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, their skin and folds or I don't know

543
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:33.200
<v Speaker 2>if that's the scientific term, the folds, but yeah, I

544
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>think they also have evolved because the eyelid is what white,

545
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>is what keeps your eyes clean, it's what helps moisturize them.

546
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm just throwing lids of bone here that look.

547
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<v Speaker 2>I hate to be such a contrary, and you're suggesting

548
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ideas about eyes that I actually can't

549
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>tell you if you're right or wrong.

550
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<v Speaker 3>Well, the problem is that every week you bring up

551
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<v Speaker 3>another like Greek guy who has the craziest ideas about

552
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Speaker 3>secret eye. But when I say maybe LEDs er to

553
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 3>keep the sun out, all of a sudden, I'm a

554
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 3>big idiot.

555
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 2>So one of the reasons I keep saying I want

556
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to talk about these glasses is because after the twenty

557
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.079
<v Speaker 2>seventeen eclipseple counterfeited them. Doctors at the Eye and Ear

558
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Infirmary at Mount Sinai in New York examined a twenty

559
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>six year old woman named Nea Payne, who had glanced

560
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<v Speaker 2>at the partial eclipse over the city for what she

561
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>described as quote a few seconds, Okay, within hours, her

562
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>central vision was distorted and dark, and when doctors used

563
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>a fancy imaging technique to actually photograph the layer of

564
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 2>cells at the back of her eye, they found a

565
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 2>burn shaped like a crescent. Oh, the exact shape of

566
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the partially eclipsed sun over New York City was burned

567
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>into the back of her retina like a film negative.

568
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:50.960
<v Speaker 3>That's sick.

569
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you're going to lose your vision,

570
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty fucking cool way to do it, I guess.

571
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even a cool discovery to be made.

572
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<v Speaker 2>I put the actual picture in the show notes, so

573
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>if you want to see it, it looks at the retina

574
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>they photo. Yeah, they somehow photographed her retina or scanned

575
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>it or whatever. And you can tell it does look

576
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.039
<v Speaker 2>like an eclipse. You're like, you're looking at the sun

577
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 2>being eclipsed. And I know this all seems like, oh,

578
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>come on, girl, don't be stupid. You looked at the

579
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 2>sun blah blah blah. The thing that is potentially really

580
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>good for people to learn on this podcast is that

581
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the damage that she experienced on her retina was likely

582
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 2>not from the few seconds of direct exposure that she had.

583
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't smart obviously don't look directly at the sun.

584
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>But after she looked away, she borrowed another bystanders glasses

585
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>to look directly at it. And according to CNN quote,

586
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 2>doctors believe that the eclipse glasses pain used were not

587
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 2>up to international safety standards. The American Astronomical Society had

588
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 2>warned that it had received alarming reports of potentially unsafe

589
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>eclipse glasses flooding the market. Some bore a fake stamp

590
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>to claim that the filters met the ISO one two

591
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 2>three one two dash two standard.

592
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would like to quote the Simpsons here

593
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>when they go to there's like one of the great

594
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Simpson sign gags, because it do not enter sign and

595
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.079
<v Speaker 3>it says do not enter, and then below it like

596
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 3>it tilts down whatever and it says, or do I'm

597
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>a sign, not a cop. And it's like for the

598
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 3>same thing here, like we have no way of confirming

599
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 3>or well, there's no one doing anything about this.

600
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to quote you from a few minutes ago

601
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 2>when we saw the stamp that says it meets the requirements,

602
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and you said, I guess they could have just put

603
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that on there.

604
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a joke I had made.

605
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 2>But Medical King I'm not. I'm not saying Medical King

606
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 2>is faking their glasses. But we have no way of

607
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>knowing who Medical King is, if he's really a king,

608
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 2>what he rules over.

609
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Let me ask the robot, is Medical King a reputable company?

610
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, stop, so can you record that?

611
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.119
<v Speaker 3>No, I can just tell people right now. So we

612
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 3>asked the Amazon robot about this brand, Medical King, whom

613
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.039
<v Speaker 3>we won't slander. We can only just saying what.

614
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna say what Amazon told.

615
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Amazon just told us. We asked if they're a reputable company,

616
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 3>and it sounded like it was sad to tell us that. Well,

617
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 3>after a long pause, super long buzz, probably just thinking

618
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>it said it said Medical Kid has gone through some

619
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.799
<v Speaker 3>trouble in its career or something.

620
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Like that, right, yes, and that it is face some challenges.

621
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Face some challenges and had some legal disputes.

622
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Didn't say if it was about these glasses in particular.

623
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 3>Probably know they make other weird broken shit, but uh,

624
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>but no, I think it's my eyes are still here.

625
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 3>I used it, no, for sure.

626
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 2>And look I'm not I'm not saying I'm not trying

627
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>to cast dispersions on any one company or even saying

628
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 2>that you shouldn't use these glasses.

629
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 3>But I do think you're from Ireland. That was a surprise.

630
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>You do have to be very careful when it comes

631
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to this stuff, especially in an era where you know

632
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>this last eclipse. Everybody, I mean, I don't know, God

633
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>knows how many millions upon millions upon millions of these

634
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>glasses were sold off Amazon before that eclipse. According to

635
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>the University of Michigan and a NASA analysis, the twenty

636
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>seventeen eclipse was the single most watched scientific event in

637
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 2>American history. Something like two hundred and fifteen million American

638
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>adults watched the eclipse. I know in some form. I

639
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<v Speaker 2>don't know they did his studies.

640
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<v Speaker 3>It's not like there, it's not like we know how

641
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>people viewed the moon landing on CBS or whatever. Like

642
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 3>they did it well, they got in point, look look

643
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.119
<v Speaker 3>at that. That's like about a two hundred fifty million

644
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<v Speaker 3>out there.

645
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 2>They did one of those things where like the scientist

646
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>poked his head out the window and took like a

647
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 2>sample size. He's like, well, there's fifty people in this

648
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>parking lot, and if we travel from there, ten square

649
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>feet and the America is six hundred gazillion square feet. Yeah, Like,

650
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, two hundred and fifteen million people. No,

651
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people watch this thing. And I'm just saying,

652
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're when when people are trying to

653
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>fill the demand for products like this, it's a very.

654
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 3>Enough one hundred thousand stopping film to go around.

655
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we don't, we don't know. It's just it's a

656
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a very important medical device for a very specific moment,

657
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and you really want to make sure that it works well.

658
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Medical king has faced challenges and so I don't know

659
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>if it's because of this.

660
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>So after the twenty twenty four eclipse, scientists watch Google

661
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>searches for the phrase quote my eyes hurt spike to

662
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 2>their highest level in years. Oh wow, right at the

663
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>moment of the eclipse, concentrated in exactly the states that

664
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>the shadow patch passed over.

665
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's really funny.

666
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, as we just said, solar retinopathy doesn't actually hurt, So.

667
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.839
<v Speaker 3>Maybe people have other problems. Who knows, what these are issues?

668
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and I you know, I didn't look up,

669
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.759
<v Speaker 2>like you know, can the sun damage other nerve endings

670
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.519
<v Speaker 2>in your eyeball itself that maybe people were experiencing or whatever.

671
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it was. It was a remarked

672
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>upon enough moment that literally a couple of papers were

673
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>written about this particular moment and the idea that we

674
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 2>could use It was one of the first times that

675
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I think scientists really rallied around the idea that like, oh,

676
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 2>we could actually use Google search trends to measure things

677
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that we otherwise might have trouble measuring.

678
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Conspiracy theoristies it too, they do. You'd be like, who

679
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 3>typed in this assassination attempt four days before the assassination?

680
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you see it. You see it in UFO

681
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>communities a lot now too. I'm not sure this would have.

682
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Been even know how to do that. By the way,

683
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how to look up other people's searches.

684
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I did it once because I looked up scared all

685
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the time to see where it was most searched. And concerningly,

686
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Google told me that no one had ever searched for it,

687
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 2>which I don't think is true because I've searched for it,

688
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure what doesn't count.

689
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>The IP address it's originated from.

690
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure your mom or somebody at least has searched

691
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>at once. Someone searched scared.

692
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 3>All the Timebody go out there and search for it, please.

693
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I know you see that. You see that

694
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>search thing in the UFO community too, because sometimes when

695
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 2>a new piece of evidence or something gets dropped, people

696
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 2>go back and search. Look at the Google search trends

697
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>for when like code words in or like if it's

698
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 2>called like Operation Backwoods or whatever, they'll go like, okay, well,

699
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.359
<v Speaker 2>if this was actually a secret document that no one

700
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>ever had seen until this day, why.

701
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Would someone search for that right earlier? It'd be like, yeah,

702
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 3>oh look.

703
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 2>It seems like right here, you know.

704
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 3>It's from the people who make cigarette os or are

705
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 3>those small Backwoods cigars?

706
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>There is I don't think there is action Operation Backwards

707
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>should be.

708
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 3>There should be if Backwoods wants to be sponsor, I

709
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 3>filmed or sponsors will take up smoking them.

710
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:02.319
<v Speaker 2>So, like I said a little earlier, Ie pain was

711
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the least of our ancestors' concerns when it came time

712
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 2>for a total solar eclipse, and they looked up and

713
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the sun would disappear. In fact, if we were to

714
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>get into a time machine that we definitely do not own.

715
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 3>Don't have it. I also have a theory that all

716
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 3>time machine is gonly be used once.

717
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, elaborate just.

718
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 3>A funnier way to look at it. Okay, all right,

719
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 3>just as you'd have to like, it's just an inherently

720
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 3>selfish way to use time travel. If you can only

721
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 3>use it once, you're gonna go do the thing you

722
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 3>want to do. You're not gonna be like anyone who

723
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 3>gets in a time machine, in my mind, has to

724
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 3>be like sorry, nine to eleven. I'm never gonna tell

725
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 3>anone about you, like sorry, Hitler's gonna still exist a dinosaur.

726
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 3>It's you. You're like, I'm gonna go see you try

727
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:43.599
<v Speaker 3>seratops or whatever.

728
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, but here's okay, hold on, I don't want

729
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 2>to get I don't want to get to you sidetracked.

730
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>But I gotta pause you there for a second to say,

731
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>first of all, there are very few people who would

732
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>step into a one time use time machine. You have

733
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to be very sure you come back. What do you

734
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>mean oh oh, it's not just literally a one way

735
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought you when you said one time used, I

736
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 2>thought you meant you can just go forward or backward

737
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and you can't come back to the present day.

738
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, you can come back. Okay, It's just

739
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 3>you only get one ride, right, and that's it.

740
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>So Ed already used our time machine to go back to.

741
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Erase our Google search history, which unfortunately erased everyone also

742
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 3>searching for us.

743
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Now Ed's lying. He went to the grand opening of

744
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the first Hooters. He wanted to be there and see

745
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>what all the fuss was about.

746
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 3>There's plenty of parking in clear Water.

747
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>He didn't even get a number after all that.

748
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.159
<v Speaker 3>What does that mean? I don't know. You know, Snowe.

749
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's not why I go to Hooters.

750
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, my point is, if we were to get in

751
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the time machine that you already used and go culture

752
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>by culture all the way around the planet to people

753
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>who had no contact with each other, separated by oceans

754
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and centuries, and ask them, hey, what's happening when the

755
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>sun disappears over here? You'd basically get the same answer

756
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.559
<v Speaker 2>over and over and over and over again, which is

757
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 2>something's eating it. That's The answer in pretty much every culture.

758
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Is that because eclipses look like Reese's commercials, like taking

759
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 3>a bite out of.

760
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Something that's a long way around the block. But yes,

761
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of, yes, it's it looks if you watch the

762
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>moon move in front of the Sun, it seems like

763
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it's disappearing bit by bit. Now it's a very smooth

764
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 2>way of eating something. I guess if the negative space

765
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>is just growing, yeah, and not chunks coming out, but

766
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I get there back then. You also, they knew you

767
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't look at it directly, so they're just looking at

768
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a the ripple in the water going oh no, oh no,

769
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it keeps going away. In ancient China, the oldest word

770
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 2>for a solar eclipse was she s hih, which literally

771
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>means to eat, because they believed the Sun was being eaten,

772
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 2>and what they believed was eating it was a great

773
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>celestial dragon, and the correct response, according to Chinese lore,

774
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 2>was not to cower and scream and tell your family

775
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 2>to look away and it'll all be over soon, which

776
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 2>is probably what I would be doing. Ed. What do

777
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you think the ancient Chinese did when the dragon came

778
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>to eat the sun?

779
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 3>No? No, right answer here.

780
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>There's no wrong answer either.

781
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm thinking put my Chinese hat on.

782
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, don't put that. Don't put that on on camera.

783
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Getting their affairs in order?

784
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no. The people when they saw the dragon

785
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>come and eat the sun, they wanted to make the

786
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>dragon spit it back out, so they would run into

787
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the streets and bang drums, clatter pots and pans, shoot

788
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>arrows into the sky, make generally as much of a scene.

789
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 3>The opposite of getting your affairs in order.

790
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, they didn't want to get their affairs in order

791
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 2>because they wanted to live, damn it. They wanted to

792
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.159
<v Speaker 2>survive the sun being eaten, and so they would scare

793
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the dragon off. There are accounts of this sort of

794
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>noise making response lasting into the modern era. Even technically

795
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 2>this was a lunar eclipse, but the Imperial Chinese Navy

796
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>reportedly fired cannons at an Ali as late as the

797
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century to try to get the dragonto fins.

798
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I hope they did it over the water, well, not

799
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 3>just landing on people's fucking houses.

800
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I would assume it was the navy. I mean, I

801
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>guess they could have been really close to shore. But

802
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, my favorite piece of Chinese eclipse lore is

803
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the oldest known reference to an eclipse, dating from between

804
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty one p Fifty nine and nineteen forty eight BC.

805
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 2>So that's a large space. I'm not sure exactly why

806
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>that window's.

807
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 3>So big, but yeah, the fuck.

808
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>My favorite piece of Chinese eclipse lore is the oldest

809
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>known reference to an eclipse. This story dates from somewhere

810
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 2>between a very large window of twenty one to fifty

811
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>nine and nineteen forty eight BC. I'm not quite sure

812
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 2>why that window is so large, but it's a piece

813
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of lore, so who knows how how well recorded it

814
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>is anywhere. It's also probably not true, but it is

815
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>something that feels like, is this scared all the time

816
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 2>way of doing business? A little bit? So It's an

817
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>ancient story about two royal astronomers, one also named She

818
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 2>although Hsi in this case She and Ho, whose entire

819
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 2>job was to predict eclipses so the Emperor could organize

820
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the proper drum banging and arrow firing in advance.

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00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 3>If I was working here, and I'm sure they would

822
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 3>not appreciate this just commentary, but I'd be like, listen, guys,

823
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 3>every time it comes, it gets it every time it leaves,

824
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 3>it leaves the sun. I think we're really overdue for

825
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 3>just not banging and not doing nothing. And like, maybe

826
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 3>it's fine, you know what I mean. I guess nobody

827
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 3>wanted to risk that. But like, if this guy is

828
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 3>so interested, he's only interested in wanting to know when

829
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna come again, I feel like I'd only want

830
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 3>to know if it's gonna come again. If we had

831
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 3>failed in the past, and they've never failed now once,

832
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 3>if they've been unsuccessful and getting the sun out of

833
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the dragon.

834
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's maybe what these guys recognized because

835
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>instead of predicting this particular eclipse, the story goes that

836
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.079
<v Speaker 2>they got blackout drunk, completely failed to predict the eclipse,

837
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and the dragon came for the sun while the whole

838
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 2>kingdom was caught unprepared.

839
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Like how they were caught every other previous time.

840
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>No, they had figured out a system. She and Hoe

841
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be warning people.

842
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Know what I'm saying, But they're only trying to figure

843
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 3>out a system now. Those a million years, they didn't

844
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<v Speaker 3>have any system in place.

845
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true, but I'm sure that people still

846
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>ran out into the streets and banged the drums and

847
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 2>fired the arrows and were able to chase the dragon

848
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>off this time. But unfortunately for She and Hoe, for

849
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>their dereliction of duty, they were executed. Which is what

850
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you would do to me, or I would do to

851
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>you if we ever forgot to post an episode.

852
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 3>But I'm like, the episode actually wouldn't come out if

853
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 3>we didn't do it.

854
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>That's true, the sun would out to quote Annie, to

855
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>quote little orphan, Annie.

856
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 3>I've beaten down Orphan.

857
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's basically the same story everywhere across the world.

858
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 3>I imagine it would be just with a.

859
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Local monster swapped in so instead of a Chinese dragon.

860
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 2>In Norse mythology, the sun is being chased across the

861
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>sky forever by a wolf, and an eclipse is the

862
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.119
<v Speaker 2>moment that the wolf finally catches it and takes a bite,

863
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the implication there being that someday, at the end of

864
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the world, the wolf will swallow the Sun for good.

865
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 3>So coyote versus Roadrunner.

866
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, a less interesting cartoon, but a similar situation in Vietnam.

867
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I love this one. It's a giant frog or a toad,

868
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the pet of a lord of the heavens. That gets

869
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 2>loose and gobbles up the sun, and people there would

870
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>bang on their rice mortars to make it cough the

871
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 2>sun back up. In Korea, it's fire dogs.

872
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sorry to have another question about this. Yes,

873
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 3>prior to Heimlich doing the maneuver, he figured out, uh,

874
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 3>did everyone choking on things? We just banged shit in

875
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 3>front of until they spin it up. Because it seems

876
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 3>like there's a thousand years of written records being like this,

877
00:41:59.039 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 3>this is the response.

878
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Well, I'm sure they would have loved to have

879
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 2>physically rescued the physical sun from the sky gods, but

880
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>that was a little bit out of the technological reach

881
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>of the people of the times.

882
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 3>What I'm hearing is you don't know, And I could

883
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 3>absolutely be right that that was until probably seventy years ago.

884
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 3>The way we handled people choking.

885
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Just shouting and throwing the shout and.

886
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 3>You bang things and then like ninety nine percent at

887
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 3>the time they die from choking, but you gave it

888
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 3>your best.

889
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, when we do an episode on choking, I will

890
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>look up the history of how food was removed from

891
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the throats of choking victims.

892
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 3>It was probably more like hiccup lore for a long

893
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 3>time you got.

894
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Scared out of someone grabbing at their throat they can't breathe,

895
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and the whole the whole villages around.

896
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Them just going like yeah, yeah, yeah, spook them.

897
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>In Korea, it's fire dogs eating the sun, sent by

898
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the king of a realm of perpetual darkness to steal

899
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the Sun and moon. But the Sun is too hot

900
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>to hold and the moon is too cold, so the

901
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 2>dogs always have to drop them, and the eclipse is

902
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the bite mark left on the Sun or the moon.

903
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Gotcha too hot to handle, too cold to hold? Exactly

904
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 3>from the Ghostbuster song.

905
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 2>That's a great pin, although I guess if it's from

906
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the Ghostbuster song.

907
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 3>That's from the like Ghostbusters too rap, right, We'll see

908
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>what we can get away with.

909
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>In Hindu In Hindu tradition, the culprit is sick. It's

910
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the severed head of a demon named Rahu who snuck

911
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a sip of the Nectar of Immortality and got decapitated

912
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>for it mid swallow. So now his immortal flying head

913
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>chases the Sun and the Moon and swallows them in revenge.

914
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Except he's he's just ahead, so he has no throat,

915
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and they always slide right back out.

916
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.599
<v Speaker 3>That is a ridiculous life.

917
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 2>That's a fucking great man's killer.

918
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying, like that's wild, that's.

919
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 2>A great one, and it means your people don't have

920
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to do anything. It slides right back out.

921
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Everybody sleeps with the night. There no banging and clang it.

922
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of surprised, honestly. The Hindus got there pretty quickly.

923
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.800
<v Speaker 2>They were like, rahu, he eats all this shit, it

924
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>comes right back out. I'm pretty surprised that no one

925
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>else seemed to. I mean, it's not like every other

926
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.800
<v Speaker 2>person in animal they ever witnessed didn't poop or pee

927
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 2>out everything else they ate, So one would think another

928
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 2>culture would have gotten.

929
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 3>To like even if they're committed to it is an

930
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 3>eating situation. Yes, they're in every scenario. There's a passive

931
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 3>way around this, like we don't need to participate in

932
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 3>whatever this is. You would think, yeah, but the Hindus

933
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 3>figure it out.

934
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>But no.

935
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 3>They feel like they had some other good shit in

936
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>other episodes you listened to as well.

937
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I think are going to Hell up going to hell?

938
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 3>They had like a vibe yeah yeah yeah, or just

939
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.800
<v Speaker 3>a cool one. Yeah. Maybe it wasn't a vibe, it's

940
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 3>going to hell vibe. But I feel like, yeah, I

941
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 3>feel like a couple times we've raised one eyebrow to

942
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 3>the Hindu stuff, being like this's cool.

943
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Even in North America, you get basically a version of

944
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 2>the same legend. The pomo Oh of California have a

945
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 2>name for solar eclipse that translates roughly to the sun

946
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.760
<v Speaker 2>got bit by a bear, and the chalk taw believed

947
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>it was a mischievous black squirrel taking bites out of

948
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the sun. And they had the same fix as the Chinese.

949
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 2>You make noise, you scare it off. I don't know

950
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>if they still do this, but I found a National

951
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Geographic article from twenty thirteen in which E. C. Krupp,

952
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 2>then the director of the Griffith Observatory here in La Yeah, yeah, yeah,

953
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>says that and this is again, this is for lunar eclipses.

954
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 2>But he says he orchestrates a modern day version of

955
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>these efforts to chase the sky creature away. He don's

956
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>a wizard's outfit and leads the public on a march

957
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>in front of the observatory while banging pots and pans

958
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 2>to chase away whatever's eating the moon.

959
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 3>Well that's kind of fun.

960
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>He notes, we're always successful.

961
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I bet I have one hundred percent success rate. Do

962
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.639
<v Speaker 3>you have you ever been to a star party up there?

963
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 3>It's really fun.

964
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I haven't.

965
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 3>When Felix gets older, you should take them. Yeah, right now,

966
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.760
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be lost in his dumble head. But like

967
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it's fucking cool. So if people don't know, I'm sure

968
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 3>they do this all over the country, over the world.

969
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you can find it and maybe wherever you live.

970
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.920
<v Speaker 3>But it's where like a bunch of amateur astronomers who

971
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 3>have like dope shit, not like the crummiest telescope you've

972
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 3>ever seen, like stuff that's waily out of your price range. Yeah,

973
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 3>And they just used the lawn of the Griffith Observatory

974
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 3>and they set up their telescopes the interesting things, and

975
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.880
<v Speaker 3>anyone can walk up and be like, hey, can I

976
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 3>look through your telescope? And they usually tell you to

977
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 3>come look through your telescope and they'll tell you what

978
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 3>it's on. And I like went up. This is probably

979
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.800
<v Speaker 3>fifteen years ago, and I uh, I was like, oh

980
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 3>what am I looking at? You know, and it was like, oh,

981
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 3>it's Saturn, And I was like it. Fuck, it really

982
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 3>is huh, like like you would just see the ring

983
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 3>and everything.

984
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 2>It's like I really had to ask. I guess you

985
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>asked before.

986
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 3>You went yeah and it. But I was like, because

987
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 3>it didn't look like size of a fucking medieval like

988
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 3>like it didn't. It didn't look like a giant. It

989
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 3>was like a regular sized telescope, not much the record telescope.

990
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think i'd be looking pretty clearly at a

991
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 3>fucking planet. Yeah, right now, you know it was only

992
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 3>hazy because of the atmosphere.

993
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 2>But telescopes are really impressive pieces of technology, considering the

994
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 2>system of mirrors and lenses that makes them work has

995
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>basically been the same. Yeah, we've just developed better glass

996
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and better mirrors, but the actual physics of how you're

997
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>able to see that far is the same as it's

998
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>always been.

999
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 3>And if you gave me a telescope in a hundred years,

1000
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I would never be able to find like a planet.

1001
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 3>I feel like looking through that little whole, like you know,

1002
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 3>if it's sky is so big, But these guys know

1003
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 3>what they're doing.

1004
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I can see you being like, there's so much to

1005
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 2>look at it there, God damn it.

1006
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was it was, I can't be trusted with it.

1007
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, star parties. I'm sure if you type in

1008
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 3>like the name of your town and star party, Yeah,

1009
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.039
<v Speaker 3>unless it has a new that term has been co

1010
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 3>opted in a way I'm unfamiliar with. I'm sorry. If

1011
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 3>I steer you in the wrong.

1012
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Direction, someone's gonna end up somewhere where they're like, damn,

1013
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone's naked.

1014
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, going on. But fifteen years ago with star party

1015
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 3>is you can go and amateur site, amateur astronomers. Yeah,

1016
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 3>could show you cool ass stuff.

1017
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Let me lay this one on you. This is the

1018
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>last and my favorite eclipse legend, although Rahu is pretty

1019
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking up there, but this one is a slightly different

1020
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>flavor that I think is heartwarming in a in a

1021
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 2>show about fears. This legend comes from the Bata Maliba

1022
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 2>people in West Africa, and in their myth, the sun

1023
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and the moon are fighting during an eclipse, and instead

1024
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of banging pots and pans to scare them away, the

1025
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>people come together to resolve old feuds and anger as

1026
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 2>a way of encouraging the Sun and the moon to

1027
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 2>do the same. Love it, Love it though, Yeah, when

1028
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>there's an eclipse, I don't know if it happens the

1029
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>moment of the eclipse. But the idea is it's like

1030
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 2>a little tradition you when the eclipse happens, it's a

1031
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 2>good time to put aside.

1032
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, that's fucking cool. I really enjoyed my time

1033
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 3>in West Africa. Everyone was cool shit there.

1034
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a long time ago.

1035
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Star Pottery, Star Party era, the Star Party era

1036
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 3>of ed Now I was twenty twelve. Yeah, that was

1037
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 3>a good time.

1038
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, this trick has worked the other way at least once.

1039
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Instead of us getting the Sun and the Moon to

1040
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 2>stop fighting, the Sun and the Moon have frightened us

1041
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>into stopping a war. This happened in five eighty five

1042
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 2>BC in what's now Turkey. Two empires, the Lydians and

1043
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 2>the Meads, had been grinding through a war for years

1044
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 2>with no end in sight. Kind of one of those

1045
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 2>old wars where I don't know all the details, but

1046
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just sort of like.

1047
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.159
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of one hundred year of wars back then.

1048
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's my land. No, it's my land. No, We're

1049
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>going to sacrifice generations of children to find out whose land.

1050
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

1051
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, one day their armies are lined up

1052
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 2>against each other mid battle, swords out, and the sky

1053
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 2>just goes completely dark. Day turns into night right on

1054
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 2>top of them, And according to the Greek historian Heroditis,

1055
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>who wrote the story down just a couple of generations later,

1056
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 2>both armies were so completely freaked out by the sun

1057
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>vanishing that they just stopped fighting. They interpreted, or I'm

1058
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>sure at least their leaders interpreted the eclipse as the

1059
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>gods basically telling them to knock it off, and more

1060
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>or less negotiated a peace deal on the spot.

1061
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 3>Five. If I was a leader, I'd be like, just

1062
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 3>see that, we did that, and we're gonna do it again.

1063
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 3>If you bugging this doesn't give up.

1064
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 2>This is why it's dangerous. This is why I'm glad

1065
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you broke the time machine, because you would be too

1066
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>dangerous with the ones. Too dangerous.

1067
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Man, I'd be bringing big brain ideas like that to

1068
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:34.480
<v Speaker 3>the battle.

1069
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>There's an apocryphal legend that was it. Christopher Columbus convinced

1070
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a tribe that he was a god because he boiled

1071
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:41.920
<v Speaker 2>an egg.

1072
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 3>We don't know what you're talking about.

1073
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>There's a story. I think it's Christopher Columbus or maybe

1074
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 2>it was Magellan or something. But that and I'm sure

1075
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the story is probably not true. But the story goes

1076
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that they were in danger or they were concerned about

1077
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 2>how they were being received, and so they boiled an egg.

1078
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 2>And when you boil the it stands. You can stand

1079
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 2>it upright in water. I think. Is that how it

1080
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 2>works with it? Now? I can't remember, and I don't

1081
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 2>play with them after I have to cut this. But

1082
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he did something where he boiled an egg and they

1083
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.760
<v Speaker 2>were like, holy shit because of the way the egg

1084
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>acted afterwards. That's what you would do with an eclipse.

1085
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Remember Mitchubishi Eclipse the car. Does that come up in this? No,

1086
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I would be cool if I brought my Mitsubishi Eclipse

1087
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 3>to this battlefield. It would be cool. Revin a bunch

1088
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 3>I did that.

1089
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 2>It would be cool if you were podcasting from a

1090
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Mitsubishi Eclipse.

1091
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I don't even know where you'd find one now,

1092
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 3>but I'm sure they all cost a billion dollars, like everything.

1093
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Instead of bringing us each a pair of sunglasses, you

1094
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 2>should have brought us each of Mitsubishi Eclipse. Well, it

1095
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 2>would have been nice.

1096
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, if any fans want to send us an eclipse.

1097
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that I think the mailbox might accept it.

1098
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 3>The mailbox place anyway. Herdonis also tells us that this

1099
00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 3>event had been foretold by Thaylee's the Milesia, who forewarned

1100
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 3>the Ionians of it, fixing it for the very year

1101
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.039
<v Speaker 3>in which it actually took place.

1102
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.320
<v Speaker 2>The Meads and the Lydians, when they observed the change,

1103
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>ceased fighting and were alike anxious to have terms of

1104
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:16.719
<v Speaker 2>peace agreed on. So while the fact that these two

1105
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 2>armies stopped fighting because of an eclipse is pretty crazy,

1106
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the other little fact buried in there is actually even crazy.

1107
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 3>A guy predicted it.

1108
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's if it's true, and there's a lot of

1109
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>debate it's whether or not it's true. But if it's

1110
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>true that Theyle's actually predicted this eclipse, it would be

1111
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the earliest moments in history where a human

1112
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 2>being looked at the sky, did some math and called

1113
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 2>a celestial event in advance.

1114
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 3>But all that shits so wild to me. Like you,

1115
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, they have like the also the Grip of Observatory.

1116
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.119
<v Speaker 3>They have that like statue out front that's got like

1117
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 3>four different famous scientists. Yeah, Galileo's there and Ptolemy or whomever.

1118
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I feel like all these people were doing shit a

1119
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 3>million years for each other, using like not million I

1120
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 3>meet what I'm saying, Like, yeah, big gap of time

1121
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 3>and like using like totally like one person's heliocentric and

1122
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 3>one person's whatever. And they were still like dead on

1123
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.360
<v Speaker 3>about shit even th when they were using like completely

1124
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:18.480
<v Speaker 3>different methods to get there. And it's it's just always

1125
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 3>so surprising and interesting to me.

1126
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I would imagine a lot of the

1127
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>theorizing and science that was done across those generations, a

1128
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of the science that was successful probably did build

1129
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 2>on at least the pieces that were accurate, whether or

1130
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 2>not everyone knew that those were the accurate pieces. I

1131
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.320
<v Speaker 2>would imagine the stuff that worked the best was the

1132
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff that built on the accurate parts. But yeah, it's just.

1133
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Weird that they're like, your prediction's dead on, but everything

1134
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 3>you're saying is wrong where it's like, well the earth

1135
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 3>flies around, uh it takes sixty four days for a

1136
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.079
<v Speaker 3>month and blah blah blah, and like there's still predictions

1137
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 3>are dead on. But everything they said leading up to

1138
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 3>that was like observably fun. Once we got better ways

1139
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 3>to observe things, right, But I don't know how they

1140
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 3>did it. The matrix, I guess.

1141
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Probably Yeah, psychics, aliens, the matrix, what have you. We

1142
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 2>live in a simulation. But yeah, so if Dailey's if

1143
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 2>he actually called this, many people who believe that he

1144
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>did refer to the prediction itself as the birth of science,

1145
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 2>because it literally is one of the earliest examples we

1146
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 2>have of somebody essentially doing science or observing a scientific method,

1147
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>or observing the natural world around them enough to go, Okay,

1148
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I know when that is coming.

1149
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.199
<v Speaker 3>But does that person work for either of these teams

1150
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 3>that we're fighting?

1151
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 2>No, those are those the people who named it the

1152
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 2>birth of science. I think it's a colloquial term for no.

1153
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, like this guy though, Oh, was he in

1154
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 3>Turkey or whatever? Was he part of these two groups?

1155
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Well he?

1156
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 3>Or was he just somewhere else who just happened to

1157
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:52.800
<v Speaker 3>have called it as well?

1158
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 2>We know that he warned the Ionians.

1159
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 3>But were the Ionians even fighting in that battle? I don't.

1160
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was the me in the Lydians.

1161
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know if maybe one of those

1162
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is a subgroup of the Ionians or the Ionian.

1163
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I've seen enough Hollywood blockbusters about a

1164
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.039
<v Speaker 3>science being laughed out of the room from world leaders

1165
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.519
<v Speaker 3>in the first act and then saving world leaders in

1166
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 3>the third act. So I'm sure this guy was just

1167
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 3>laughed out of the room.

1168
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Probably, we do know. So he didn't write down, you know,

1169
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 2>a day that he said it's going to happen in

1170
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 2>the year. Well, we know what year it happened, and

1171
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>we actually know what day it happened because we can

1172
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 2>run the astronomy backwards. It's actually the oldest historical event

1173
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that we can pin to a specific calendar date because

1174
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>we can run it backwards and find that the date

1175
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:45.639
<v Speaker 2>of this eclipse was May twenty eighth, five eighty five PC. Now,

1176
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 2>we have no surviving record of dailies or anybody else saying, yeah, but.

1177
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 3>If there's repetition to these events, then you can just

1178
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 3>run it back. You tefinitely run it back even farther

1179
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 3>than that I betually happened.

1180
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Even the other time I'm saying it's easy for us

1181
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to run back. We can't running it back. Didn't can

1182
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>firm that Thales was correct or incorrect, because he left

1183
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 2>no record of a day that he said it would happen.

1184
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 2>We just know that he said that Herdatis said that

1185
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 2>he'd predicted it.

1186
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he said I thought he predicted it for

1187
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 3>that year, just in that year there'd be one.

1188
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But we don't know if he predicted it for

1189
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 2>the day. And I don't know that we actually know

1190
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>that Thales did this or if this is just something

1191
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 2>that Heroditis claims that Thales did.

1192
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Sure, so it's it could be like these these it's

1193
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 3>these these eclipse sunglasses. Just this could just be claims

1194
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 3>that they have real fucking protect their eyes sheets in them.

1195
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, because it Yeah, it really would be pretty easy

1196
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.920
<v Speaker 2>for Thales after the eclipse to have been like, oh, yeah,

1197
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I predicted that, you know, I don't know how. I

1198
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know how much of a record there away anyway,

1199
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 2>predicted or not. I just love thinking of an ancient

1200
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>solar eclipse as basically the world's scariest ceasefire. You know,

1201
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it just it's frightened hundreds of thousands, of hundreds, if

1202
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 2>not thousands of men into no longer having a war,

1203
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty great. In ancient Mesopotamia, which is it

1204
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 2>was like as Syria and Babylon. Now it's Iraq, birthplace

1205
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.719
<v Speaker 2>of civilization, birthplace of civilization. Eclipses were scary for an

1206
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:17.039
<v Speaker 2>entirely different reason that also prompted an entirely different and

1207
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>insane results.

1208
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I hope it's agricultural, it's not. Oh well, you hope

1209
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>for a lot of things you don't get.

1210
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 2>So. Mesopotamian priests and astrologers were very good at this.

1211
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.920
<v Speaker 2>They had an entire complicated system of omens, and a

1212
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:33.920
<v Speaker 2>solar eclipse was one of the most dangerous omens. They

1213
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>were pretty good at predicting them under the right conditions.

1214
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 2>They believed that if this solar eclipse rolled around at

1215
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the right time of year, over the right part of

1216
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the kingdom or whatever, it meant that the king was

1217
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 2>going to die. According to the met quote, ancient Mesopotamian

1218
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.400
<v Speaker 2>astronomers had developed the knowledge to accurately predict eclipses with

1219
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>a high degree of precision. Once an eclipse was predicted

1220
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and the area in which it would appear have been identified,

1221
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 2>the court and the priest took action. Ed could you

1222
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 2>please guess what action they took?

1223
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Get all the pots and pants together to bang bang, no, no,

1224
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.679
<v Speaker 3>you gotta we got a we got we got a

1225
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 3>hungry celestial coming.

1226
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>No, they found a pretty genius loophole, a loophole that

1227
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you would probably come up with.

1228
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:19.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm always thinking of loopholes.

1229
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Since the omen they figured is going to kill the king,

1230
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. They couldn't uneclipse the sky, but they could

1231
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.840
<v Speaker 2>go get a different king. So they would take some guy,

1232
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Speaker 2>sometimes a prisoner, sometimes a criminal, sometimes just a local,

1233
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 2>unlucky person, and they would put that guy on the

1234
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.920
<v Speaker 2>throne as a temporary substitute king.

1235
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.559
<v Speaker 3>But like, does that person always die or is it

1236
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 3>just in case? So this eclipses don't rain daggers.

1237
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think they were afraid that they were gonna

1238
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Now this guy didn't have to look like the real king.

1239
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.679
<v Speaker 2>He did have he did have to be a man. Quote.

1240
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>After he was selected, he was dressed in the king's garments,

1241
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 2>declared to be the king, and made to participate in

1242
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>other rituals investing him with royal identity. He was also

1243
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 2>given a young woman as a queen.

1244
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Don't love this.

1245
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>After this, the true king withdrew from public view until

1246
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 2>danger had passed. And there's actually I didn't write the

1247
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.400
<v Speaker 2>whole thing down for the episode. But in my research

1248
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I found that there is some letters from ancient Mesopotamia

1249
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:29.360
<v Speaker 2>that have been found or references to letters where people

1250
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:34.159
<v Speaker 2>were writing to the farmer. But archaeologists believe that that

1251
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 2>was actually like a code name for the king while

1252
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>he was in hiding if anyone needed to communicate with him.

1253
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, he still had the dude like kingly man

1254
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 3>like he saw it matters at hand.

1255
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.119
<v Speaker 2>She may have. Yeah, if they ever have this fucking court.

1256
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Jester, they put a crown on to be making important

1257
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:50.400
<v Speaker 3>decisions for the kingdom.

1258
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this this quote continues.

1259
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like Dave from the movie Dave.

1260
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is very much like Dave. The substitute King

1261
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and queen were offered as sack vices for the evil

1262
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 2>fate that was destined for the true King, taking it

1263
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:06.599
<v Speaker 2>on themselves while he was safely hidden.

1264
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I hope it's just in case. No, so they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>we better fulfill this just in case to make the

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01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:14.320
<v Speaker 3>moon happy. Yeah, unhappy.

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01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the substitute king and the true king coexisted only

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01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 2>briefly because once the dangerous eclipse had passed, the substitute

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01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 2>King and queen were killed. The true king re emerged

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01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and the ritual was complete, the king was safe.

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01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.199
<v Speaker 3>I fink that lady got the shittiest end of the stick. Yeah,

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01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.039
<v Speaker 3>at least he got to be king for a day.

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01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.800
<v Speaker 3>She just got to be abused and then thrown into

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01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 3>a pit.

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01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.000
<v Speaker 2>More when when you put it that way, yeah it

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01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:40.840
<v Speaker 2>sounds even worse.

1277
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, that was the unluckiest person in the village.

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01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 2>We do know that this it's I mean, when I

1279
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 2>first read this, I've thought this was gonna be one

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01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:50.559
<v Speaker 2>of those things that I did a little digging in.

1281
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, you know, we think maybe, but no,

1282
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 2>we do. There's over thirty references to this ritual in

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01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:59.719
<v Speaker 2>letters to Assyrian kings, including that the farmer thing that

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01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I mate, so agriculture.

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01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Did come back.

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01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's true.

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01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like the birthplace of farming and stuff, Mesopotavia,

1288
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 3>that's why, well, except the cradle of Civiliziahda and like

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01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.519
<v Speaker 3>the birthplace of farming.

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01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Unless we believe that go Beckley Teppe was actually the

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01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.239
<v Speaker 2>birth of grain farming and production.

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01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 3>But what episode that's not even area.

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01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 2>That was music festivals. That was last not last week,

1294
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:25.280
<v Speaker 2>but the last main episode.

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01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I won't bring it up.

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01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.440
<v Speaker 2>According to that same article in the met this did

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01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 2>work out for the substitute exactly once. This is the

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01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.400
<v Speaker 2>most Dave like part of the story. Era Emitti, king

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01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.320
<v Speaker 2>of the city state of ice In in southern Iraq

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01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>from eighteen sixty eight to eighteen sixty one BC, did

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01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.079
<v Speaker 2>this whole ritual. He was the king. They brought in

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01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:53.400
<v Speaker 2>a substitute who was a gardener, and while the substitute

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01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.519
<v Speaker 2>was sitting on the throne waiting for the eclipse to come,

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01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Era Emiti died after a apparently what is reported as

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01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.719
<v Speaker 2>sipping a porridge that was too hot, too poisoned. Yeah, no,

1306
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 2>one knows exactly what went down there, but he died

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01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 2>from this porridge while the substitute was alive.

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01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Do you imagine if they happened to Goldilocks and then

1309
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.559
<v Speaker 3>these bears come home and they just have a dead

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01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 3>kid in their house, and it's like a way shittier situation,

1311
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.239
<v Speaker 3>weirdly than like for everyone sleeping in your bed, Like

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01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 3>oh no, what fuck man? Like lastly, he needs a

1313
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.920
<v Speaker 3>little dead girl in here. The fucking cops gonna be

1314
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 3>all over the woods soon.

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01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.360
<v Speaker 2>In this case, the cops just said, hey, man, you're

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01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the king. I mean he was sworn in, Yes he was.

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01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 2>He was this the Gardener was sworn in as a

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01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:43.360
<v Speaker 2>substitute king. His name was Enlil Bonnie, and he continued

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01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to rule ice In for about another twenty years until

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01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 2>he died from apparently natural cause.

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01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:50.159
<v Speaker 3>I think he's like with good kidding, or he sucked.

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01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if i'd be. That's just like what

1324
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a bummer if that guy just sucked.

1325
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 2>It's also what's the what's the Peter Sellers movie where

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01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he plays the Gardener who becomes president Putney Swape.

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01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what you're talking about. Pink panther.

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01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.920
<v Speaker 2>No, not not pink panther. So this idea that the

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01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.960
<v Speaker 2>eclipse means a king is about to drop dead did

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01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>not stay in Mesopotamia necessarily. It over the course of history,

1331
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.639
<v Speaker 2>it shows up all over the place. One of the

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01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.360
<v Speaker 2>most famous stories of an eclipse that was said to

1333
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 2>have killed a king.

1334
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Was in Game of Thrones?

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01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. No, that sounds like some shit

1337
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 3>they do in that fake world.

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01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Probably it happened in the real world too, though. In

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01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.119
<v Speaker 2>eleven thirty three in England, King Henry the first is

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01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.960
<v Speaker 2>on the throne, and there is a long total eclipse

1341
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 2>over the country, somewhere around four and a half minutes

1342
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of complete darkness, and people, it seems like, basically lose

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01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>their fucking minds. One writer described the eclipse with four

1344
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:55.639
<v Speaker 2>words that kind of make a perfect little horror poem, miserabilis,

1345
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>horribilis nigra mirrabilus.

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01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 3>As a poem, it's a step that's a fucking spell,

1347
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 3>and Harry Potter.

1348
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:07.519
<v Speaker 2>It's the four words that mean wretched, horrifying, black, remarkable.

1349
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Was he paining by the word No, he wasn't paid

1350
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.880
<v Speaker 3>very much. No, I'm saying he was he paying by

1351
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.719
<v Speaker 3>the words he used? Then why the fuck man just

1352
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 3>writ a little bit better?

1353
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I gotta get this down fast. Maybe he

1354
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.840
<v Speaker 2>thought they were all gonna die. I don't know. Oh,

1355
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 2>sure enough, King Henry did drop dead, and this became

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01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 2>known as the eclipse that either predicted or killed him.

1357
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 2>But in reality, Porridge, it took two years for him

1358
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to die. So this is a very slow acting king,

1359
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.039
<v Speaker 2>King king curse. If it was in fact, sure, you

1360
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.400
<v Speaker 2>know the legend got printed in this case.

1361
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Probably more than four words.

1362
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Still, Historian William of Malmsbury was quoted as saying that

1363
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the eclipses quote hideous darkness agitated the hearts of men.

1364
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Shortly after King Henry's death, the country was thrown into

1365
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 2>chaos and a civil war brood.

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01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.480
<v Speaker 3>What would some of these people think? I understand the

1367
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.320
<v Speaker 3>idea of a sudden the son turns off off is

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01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 3>what makes it shocking. M But what would some of

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01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 3>these people if they were transported from medieval England, where

1370
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:08.400
<v Speaker 3>the fuck time period this was, and like sent to

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01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Alaska or something where it's like thirty days of night

1372
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.840
<v Speaker 3>or like thirty days of just the sun won't stop.

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01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Is that equally as terrifying if you're not expecting it.

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01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I think so, I would think so.

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01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean sailors must have I mean obviously the Vikings

1376
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:25.519
<v Speaker 2>must have experienced some of that. Yeah, the Inuit experienced

1377
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:27.079
<v Speaker 2>some of it. But I'm sure Yeah, if you were

1378
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.199
<v Speaker 2>just coming up from I don't know, Mesopotamia or something,

1379
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and you went above whatever line on the Arctic circle

1380
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 2>where that starts happening, yeah, I'm sure you think it's

1381
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:37.599
<v Speaker 2>like an enchanted land or.

1382
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Some especially if you're like the first people, there's no

1383
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.039
<v Speaker 3>one around. Yeah, like some places that have been abandon

1384
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.559
<v Speaker 3>what have you. And you're just like, well, this is great.

1385
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.559
<v Speaker 3>Every day the sun goes down, every day the fucking

1386
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:49.599
<v Speaker 3>moon comes out, and it's like that for the first

1387
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 3>however many months we've been living here in our little tents.

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01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I still think it's scary, Like, I mean,

1389
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:56.800
<v Speaker 2>we know why it happens, and I feel like if

1390
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I went and experienced something like that, you.

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01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Should do it. We should do midnight uh, Like I've

1392
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:02.679
<v Speaker 3>always want to go. I always want to go, but

1393
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:06.000
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting to do like a midnight baseball game or something.

1394
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, we can do like a midnight live show

1395
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.239
<v Speaker 3>on the beach, you know what I mean, Like I

1396
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:12.760
<v Speaker 3>do it.

1397
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.719
<v Speaker 2>And then I'll wrap this section up by talking about

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01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.599
<v Speaker 2>my favorite eclipse killed the King story, because this one

1399
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.639
<v Speaker 2>is both one true and kind of a tragedy of

1400
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.760
<v Speaker 2>competence if you think about it. So, there was a guy.

1401
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I my history of Southeast Asia is basically non existent,

1402
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so I'd never heard of this guy. But there was

1403
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a king King Rama of Siam.

1404
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:40.280
<v Speaker 3>You never heard of Rama siambro there was.

1405
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:44.800
<v Speaker 2>A king King Rama of Siam, which is modern day Thailand. Okay,

1406
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:49.760
<v Speaker 2>And he was a genuinely fascinating guy for a whole

1407
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 2>host of reasons, not the least of which is that

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01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.679
<v Speaker 2>he was the real life inspiration for the musical The

1409
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 2>King and I Oh Ball. Gentlemen, it's basically his story. Yeah,

1410
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.320
<v Speaker 2>it's basically his story. I don't think he looked much

1411
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.800
<v Speaker 2>like Yul Brenner, but you know, it was his story.

1412
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.599
<v Speaker 2>He also spent decades studying astronomy in an effort to

1413
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 2>modernize his kingdom, and in eighteen sixty eight he correctly

1414
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.800
<v Speaker 2>predicted a total eclipse down to the exact location, beating

1415
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.920
<v Speaker 2>European astronomers at their own game. He was so proud

1416
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.039
<v Speaker 2>of himself that he organized a whole expedition out to

1417
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 2>this remote spot to watch his prediction come true, which

1418
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it did. They experienced a total eclipse with nearly seven

1419
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 2>minutes of totality, so almost as long as long as

1420
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 2>it gets, almost as long as it gets. But while

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01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.239
<v Speaker 2>King Rama was out there chasing his eclipse, he was

1422
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.320
<v Speaker 2>bit by a mosquito, probably lots of mosquitos, and one

1423
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.039
<v Speaker 2>or more than one of them gave King Rama malaria,

1424
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and he died a few weeks later.

1425
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh my, God.

1426
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 2>So this is the one case where an eclipse really

1427
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 2>did sort of kill a king, even though it had

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01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 2>a little help.

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01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Do you think Alanismore said averse about this out of ironic.

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01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Alanis, if you're listening, let's re record that song. It's

1431
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.440
<v Speaker 2>a great song. I really I normally wouldn't give you notes,

1432
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.199
<v Speaker 2>but I think this is a really unique opportunity that

1433
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at.

1434
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 3>And this guy's life, as we've learned, lends itself to songs.

1435
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, rip God, blessed

1436
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 2>king Rama. You were too good at your job pretty much.

1437
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, you know, when you get focused on one thing,

1438
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.680
<v Speaker 3>there are blind spots about other things, like mosquitoes and disease.

1439
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, so at this point in our society, in

1440
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.079
<v Speaker 2>modern day, you'd think that we would be well passed

1441
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the panic over eclipses and doomsday prophecies and sky gods.

1442
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:50.079
<v Speaker 2>We've known what causes eclipses since fifth century BC in Greece,

1443
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 2>when the philosopher and axe Agoris sought to understand and

1444
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 2>describe eclipses through an understanding of physics and the natural world.

1445
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.560
<v Speaker 2>This is the guy who proposed that rainbows were a

1446
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.439
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon of sunlight bending in rain instead of being caused

1447
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 2>by the goddess Iris. So he was pretty sharp. Okay,

1448
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he figured out what a rainbow was.

1449
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he didn't. This is long before the Bible. Yeah,

1450
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.520
<v Speaker 3>so it's not that like Noah was given after Noah's flood,

1451
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:19.800
<v Speaker 3>God gave us a rainbow.

1452
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Did God teach Noah what a rainbow is?

1453
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:25.279
<v Speaker 3>You taught Noah? But he hits after the flood, Yeah,

1454
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.000
<v Speaker 3>there was a rainbow and God was like, let this

1455
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 3>rainbow I'm paraphrasing, Yeah, let this rainbow be like a

1456
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.760
<v Speaker 3>thing that this rain Let this rainbow signify that I'm

1457
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 3>no longer going to send floods. Let this rainbow be

1458
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.800
<v Speaker 3>like my gift to you in a personification of like

1459
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 3>this is this represents I'm done flooding you guys.

1460
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, I forgot that part of the story. But now

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01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that you mention it, that does sound very familiar.

1462
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I forget what the word would be. It's

1463
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 3>not a pact.

1464
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 2>But so and Axagoris figured it out. Yeah, long before

1465
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:02.880
<v Speaker 2>well not technically before Noah. I guess after Noah. But

1466
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:07.079
<v Speaker 2>he figured it out. He figured it out before we

1467
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.720
<v Speaker 2>read the story of Noah in the rainbow. Anyway, Today,

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01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Anaxagoras is known as the first person to correctly explain

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01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 2>eclipses were just the Sun casting the shadow of the

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01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.199
<v Speaker 2>moon upon the earth. But for this what would have

1471
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:26.359
<v Speaker 2>seemed like almost divine knowledge. At this point, the Athenians

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01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.159
<v Speaker 2>took him to trial and charged him with sacrilege, and

1473
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 2>he was sent into exile for the rest of his life.

1474
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think some of those guys on the lawn

1475
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 3>of Grifveth Observatory were sent to prison for no reason too.

1476
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Galileo most famously. It is interesting that they seemed to

1477
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.520
<v Speaker 2>be cool with him explaining rainbows, but explaining the eclipse

1478
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was like a bridge to fALS.

1479
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.399
<v Speaker 3>Bridge to no Sir, a rainbow bridge too far.

1480
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:52.680
<v Speaker 2>The world obviously eventually came around to Anaxagoras's way of thinking.

1481
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.359
<v Speaker 2>But eclipses are such a powerful event that even though

1482
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.560
<v Speaker 2>we're past the drums and the dragons, they can still

1483
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.960
<v Speaker 2>provoke panic and fear in the arts and minds of

1484
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.079
<v Speaker 2>modern humans. One tragic example can be found in the

1485
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:08.840
<v Speaker 2>American West in eighteen seventy eight. To give us a

1486
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 2>little perspective here, CNN tells us that quote at the time,

1487
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the United States was trying to reinforce its reputation for

1488
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.399
<v Speaker 2>science on the global stage. During restoration after the Civil War,

1489
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Pioneers were carving out a life in the Western territories.

1490
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Women were looking to get the vote. We were modernizing.

1491
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Scientists knew that an eclipse was going to cross over

1492
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.479
<v Speaker 2>the wild West that year, and the event attracted a

1493
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.439
<v Speaker 2>variety of the era's finest scientific minds.

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01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Buffalo Bill, I don't know if Calamity Jane, I'm sorry,

1495
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:40.960
<v Speaker 3>doctor Buffalo Bill.

1496
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.039
<v Speaker 2>These doctor Calamity j these are just other characters from

1497
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:45.720
<v Speaker 2>another musical that you're remembering.

1498
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I can imagine these are also the types

1499
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.399
<v Speaker 3>of people who'd be like, throw a lab coat on her.

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01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:52.239
<v Speaker 3>We're now going to take this show on the road

1501
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:53.319
<v Speaker 3>in a new direction.

1502
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Charge everyone five dollars to come witness in.

1503
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, like we've been making money. There's no reason

1504
01:11:57.880 --> 01:11:59.960
<v Speaker 3>to stop making money. Did you drive by the circle

1505
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.560
<v Speaker 3>us last night? By the way, me two days ago

1506
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 3>when we were driving back from the failed attempt to

1507
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:07.119
<v Speaker 3>sell the car, and there was there was there was

1508
01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:09.279
<v Speaker 3>a circus on our left, a giant circus on like

1509
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:10.239
<v Speaker 3>North Hollywood or something.

1510
01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, I did that's not normally there.

1511
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.199
<v Speaker 3>No, So it's always weird to see a circus tent.

1512
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I was so mad. Oh, I know, yeah, I wasn't

1513
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:20.960
<v Speaker 2>paying much attention to what was odd, but it is.

1514
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:24.079
<v Speaker 3>It is weird to see a circus tent, just at

1515
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.600
<v Speaker 3>a place. You know, there's not normal a circus tent. Right,

1516
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.880
<v Speaker 3>It's very always exciting. There is something wicked this way comes? Yeah?

1517
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Has that always been there?

1518
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:32.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It's scary.

1519
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Why are there are so many crows sitting on it?

1520
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:35.880
<v Speaker 3>No?

1521
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.279
<v Speaker 2>So scientists knew that this eclipse was coming, and it

1522
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.600
<v Speaker 2>drew a lot of people, including astronomer and Vassar College

1523
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:45.399
<v Speaker 2>professor Maria Mitchell, who shepherded a group of female astronomers.

1524
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sick, shout out Vassar. Maria Mitchell shepherded a group

1525
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of female astronomers to the frontier armed with telescopes to

1526
01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 2>study the eclipse. James Craig Watson, an astronomer a discoverer

1527
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of comets and minor planets, was to hermaned to verify

1528
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:06.800
<v Speaker 2>that the quote intram, your curial planet Vulcan existed hidden

1529
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 2>by the Sun and just waiting to be discovered during

1530
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:10.039
<v Speaker 2>an eclipse.

1531
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:11.960
<v Speaker 3>This is maybe the dumbest question I've ever asked.

1532
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it won't be the last.

1533
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.279
<v Speaker 3>So if it's less, if it's difficult to see stars

1534
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.920
<v Speaker 3>at night because of light pollution from the ground, can

1535
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.039
<v Speaker 3>you see more stars all the lights are off dur

1536
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.920
<v Speaker 3>in the day. Now, suddenly the sky turns dark, Like

1537
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:34.159
<v Speaker 3>if you pointed a telescope during these four to seven minutes,

1538
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.039
<v Speaker 3>is it gonna open up a view of stars you

1539
01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 3>maybe wouldn't normally see from this location because suddenly it's

1540
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:40.960
<v Speaker 3>like so dark.

1541
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the stars do become brighter during the day

1542
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.520
<v Speaker 2>when an eclipse happens because that source of light is

1543
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.600
<v Speaker 2>being removed, so your eye is able to pick up

1544
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.239
<v Speaker 2>those softer sources of light. I don't know what it

1545
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.279
<v Speaker 2>does to a telescope. I'm sure at least by this

1546
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.720
<v Speaker 2>point in the scientific journey people were trying to figure

1547
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:02.319
<v Speaker 2>out if that would work. I kind of interpret this

1548
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to me and that that's what he was doing. It

1549
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 2>was hidden by the When he says hidden by the sun,

1550
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I assume he means the brightness of the sun, not

1551
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:10.680
<v Speaker 2>hidden behind the sun.

1552
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 3>Well that's what got me there, That's what got me

1553
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:13.039
<v Speaker 3>that question.

1554
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.479
<v Speaker 2>Spoiler alert Vulcan did not exist. He was not able

1555
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.079
<v Speaker 2>to find it, and even Thomas Edison made the journey,

1556
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:22.439
<v Speaker 2>eager to prove that his new device, the tacit meter.

1557
01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Could measure this new device light.

1558
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:26.399
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it.

1559
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Was like, oh, you guys worried about the five minutes

1560
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:29.439
<v Speaker 3>of darkness, I got something for that.

1561
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.039
<v Speaker 2>This was actually before light This was actually before his

1562
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.119
<v Speaker 2>work on the light bulb. He was he had invented

1563
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:38.239
<v Speaker 2>the tasimeter or the or the tescimeter that could measure

1564
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:41.520
<v Speaker 2>temperature changes in the heat of the corona around the

1565
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Sun during the eclipse. Spoiler alert. Again, it didn't work.

1566
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:47.199
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of the people who were headed out

1567
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:52.159
<v Speaker 2>to the West for this eclipse were stymied in their

1568
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:56.640
<v Speaker 2>quest for answers, but at least they were interested in

1569
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.600
<v Speaker 2>the science of the eclipse. Not everyone in the West

1570
01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:04.479
<v Speaker 2>was quite so focused on that part of the sun disappearing. Quote.

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01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:07.119
<v Speaker 2>On July twenty eighth, eighteen seventy eight, as the bright

1572
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.239
<v Speaker 2>sky above Johnson County, Texas began to dim, and then

1573
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 2>dim some more, and finally go dark, people startled and stared, cried,

1574
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and prayed. One of these people, a sharecropper named Efraim Miller,

1575
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 2>already with firm beliefs about the end of the world,

1576
01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 2>was heard to say that if this was the last day,

1577
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.760
<v Speaker 2>he planned to be quote so sound asleep that Gabriel's

1578
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.039
<v Speaker 2>trumpet wouldn't wake him.

1579
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, famous angel, famous musician.

1580
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.680
<v Speaker 2>He then grabbed a hatchet, ran into his house, murdered

1581
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:38.199
<v Speaker 2>his son with the hatchet to spare him the suffering

1582
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:40.840
<v Speaker 2>of the apocalypse, then went up the stairs to the

1583
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.479
<v Speaker 2>attic and cut his own throat. So there were still

1584
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 2>people being driven to religious madness by the effect of

1585
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 2>a solar eclipse, even in the mid to late eighteen hundred.

1586
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.920
<v Speaker 3>The speaking of religious madness or the idea of just

1587
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:58.279
<v Speaker 3>repeating the same stories over and over again until it

1588
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 3>becomes gospel. You're an interesting position because you've now researched eclipses,

1589
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.279
<v Speaker 3>so you can now you know, you can look up

1590
01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 3>when the next ones are gonna be m M. And

1591
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.159
<v Speaker 3>if it's not gonna be for one hundred and fifty years.

1592
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.760
<v Speaker 3>You're in a position now where you can just raise

1593
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Felix with some made up thing about how like the

1594
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Klaris will take the throne again on but like this

1595
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 3>procedure or thing needs to be done only under a

1596
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 3>full eclipse at this place on this day, and you

1597
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.560
<v Speaker 3>have it, and then you just have him. He believes

1598
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 3>it so much that he tells his kids, and then

1599
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 3>they tell their kids, and they tell their kids, and

1600
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 3>then you're like, hundreds of years from now, it's so

1601
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.720
<v Speaker 3>ingrained that the Calari family needs to do this insane

1602
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.880
<v Speaker 3>thing at the eclipse and this mountain, at this thing.

1603
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.479
<v Speaker 3>You won't be there, but it'd be amazing the acts

1604
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:53.960
<v Speaker 3>that can go out from a goof. Basically, like, you

1605
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.920
<v Speaker 3>can do this as a joke, and then if everyone's

1606
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.840
<v Speaker 3>just committed to it, you can watch from heaven probably hell,

1607
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.840
<v Speaker 3>because you've done this, you can watch them like slaughter

1608
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 3>a whole town because the Colari, you know, is the

1609
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:05.359
<v Speaker 3>only way to save the colorI name.

1610
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, I see where you went with that. I

1611
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.079
<v Speaker 2>thought we were maybe going towards more. This would be

1612
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a really funny, multi generational goof to make them jump

1613
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.319
<v Speaker 2>through all these hoops and then when the eclipse happens,

1614
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 2>nothing happens and they're just disappointed. No, no, you're thinking

1615
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that I should get them too.

1616
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.800
<v Speaker 3>No, they have to do something and to civilization whatever

1617
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:24.119
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is.

1618
01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure, you know what I mean, yeah, you.

1619
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Could pick out, you can pick and choose what the

1620
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 3>thing they have to do is. But I do believe

1621
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:31.760
<v Speaker 3>they'll do it if like four generations are told that

1622
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Speaker 3>they have to do it.

1623
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I also feel like this is where we should say

1624
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that this is a bad idea. Definitely don't do this.

1625
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:41.359
<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to the podcast, I might do it.

1626
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:43.960
<v Speaker 2>You can't stop me. But I don't want anyone else

1627
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to do it, because we could get in trouble, So

1628
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:46.840
<v Speaker 2>please don't.

1629
01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:49.199
<v Speaker 3>People will be in trouble on hundreds of years from now.

1630
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:50.039
<v Speaker 2>That's true, We'll be gone.

1631
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:50.800
<v Speaker 3>We'll be gone.

1632
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 2>You would think that today, okay, so eighteen seventy eight,

1633
01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you still have people butchering their families with an axe

1634
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:00.479
<v Speaker 2>to keep them safe during the.

1635
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Sli whatever the hell they're gonna call themselves in two

1636
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:03.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred years.

1637
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.479
<v Speaker 2>But you would think that now this deep into the

1638
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenties, we're over eclipse panics. You would think you

1639
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:15.319
<v Speaker 2>can google what is an eclipse and in two seconds

1640
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:17.960
<v Speaker 2>anybody concerned about the end of the world would be

1641
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:18.880
<v Speaker 2>feeling a lot better.

1642
01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:21.760
<v Speaker 3>But it actually can't get any results because the computing

1643
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.840
<v Speaker 3>power that's so overwhelming with people googling why do my

1644
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.119
<v Speaker 3>eyes hurt at the exact same.

1645
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Time answer, and then they still end up butchering their

1646
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.239
<v Speaker 2>whole family. Y yeah, bummer. Well, you'd think the doomsday

1647
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff at this point would die, but it hasn't. It

1648
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:43.560
<v Speaker 2>was just translated into the primary language of the twenty

1649
01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:47.960
<v Speaker 2>first century, the conspiracy theory. As the twenty twenty four

1650
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:51.720
<v Speaker 2>eclipse was approaching, people notice something that is actually a

1651
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool coincidence, the path. If you lay the path

1652
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty seventeen eclipse over or under the path

1653
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:00.079
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty four.

1654
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Four clips so you completely ignored earlier.

1655
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I did not ignore it. We just we talked about it.

1656
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.319
<v Speaker 2>You were just not paying any attention.

1657
01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:08.399
<v Speaker 3>No, no, but yeah, I was talking. I mean, obviously

1658
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.359
<v Speaker 3>my glasses would have been for that, but you were like, oh,

1659
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:12.039
<v Speaker 3>I was like a lot, like it feels like it

1660
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:13.359
<v Speaker 3>was yesterday, blah blah blah.

1661
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, if you laid the path of these two eclipses

1662
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.720
<v Speaker 2>over each other, they make a big X over the

1663
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.239
<v Speaker 2>middle of the United States. The center actually fell in

1664
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>southern Illinois, right near the New Madrid fault line, which

1665
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.760
<v Speaker 2>is a fault responsible for three of the most powerful

1666
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:35.199
<v Speaker 2>earthquakes in American history from eighteen eleven to eighteen twelve.

1667
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:37.560
<v Speaker 3>This is the Sun and the Moon are trying to

1668
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.000
<v Speaker 3>tell son well a lot on board.

1669
01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.600
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people noticed that it made an X

1670
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:48.680
<v Speaker 2>over the New Madrid fault, and people immediately started believing that, yes,

1671
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 2>the Sun and the moon or in many cases, God

1672
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:54.319
<v Speaker 2>is trying to tell us something and we need to

1673
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:55.479
<v Speaker 2>decipher what it is.

1674
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.119
<v Speaker 3>So, and the New Madrid fault is under the earth,

1675
01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:58.960
<v Speaker 3>it's under.

1676
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Its fault line. Yes, plates meet each other.

1677
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.319
<v Speaker 3>And New Madrid is the name of the fall. It's

1678
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:04.760
<v Speaker 3>not the name of the town in Illinois.

1679
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:06.319
<v Speaker 2>It's the name of the fall. There might be a

1680
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:07.840
<v Speaker 2>New Madrid that it's named after.

1681
01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:10.960
<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying is do you think property values went

1682
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 3>up or down upon learning that this That X marks

1683
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:15.520
<v Speaker 3>the spot and they're not going to find treasure there?

1684
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Great question?

1685
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:19.399
<v Speaker 3>Or is it treasure? Is it treasure? Should we go?

1686
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Nobody thought of this?

1687
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Hold on? Let mex usually marks the spot for treasure.

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01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Let me run you through what happened, and then we

1689
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:28.119
<v Speaker 2>can discuss the treasure hunt. Because you might be onto

1690
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:29.520
<v Speaker 2>something that nobody else thought of.

1691
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Here I'd love it. So usually am a.

1692
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Whole ecosystem of online prophecies took this X and ran

1693
01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:38.479
<v Speaker 2>straight into the sun with it. The claims piled up.

1694
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:43.000
<v Speaker 2>The twenty seventeen path crossed over seven American towns named Salem,

1695
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.880
<v Speaker 2>which means peace, and the twenty twenty four path was

1696
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.760
<v Speaker 2>going to cross seven towns named Nineveh, the city the

1697
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:52.239
<v Speaker 2>prophet Jonah was sent to warn. For some reason, this

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01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.199
<v Speaker 2>all meant that the eclipse was God literally drawing an

1699
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.920
<v Speaker 2>ex to mark America for judgment and quote at least

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01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:03.000
<v Speaker 2>one person upon that these two solar eclipses are separated

1701
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.600
<v Speaker 2>by six years, six months, six weeks, six days, and

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01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:12.239
<v Speaker 2>six minutes, which besides not being completely accurate, ends up

1703
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:17.159
<v Speaker 2>being six six six six six, which is five sixes. Yes,

1704
01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:20.079
<v Speaker 2>it's not even six sixes. Yeah, some people added six

1705
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:23.319
<v Speaker 2>seconds to it, but everybody knew that was like clearly bullshit.

1706
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.439
<v Speaker 2>But yes, as somebody else pointed out, we were just

1707
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:28.600
<v Speaker 2>talking about this in a different episode, or maybe it

1708
01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:31.239
<v Speaker 2>was a bonus episode. But when you do something like

1709
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:34.279
<v Speaker 2>six years, six months, six weeks, six days, you're just

1710
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:37.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of shifting around. You can make anything fit that,

1711
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.520
<v Speaker 2>because you could say six and a half years instead

1712
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>of six years six months, like you're forcing it into

1713
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:44.239
<v Speaker 2>a pattern.

1714
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Or just go by months, or just go by minutes.

1715
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, you could go by six hundred and sixty

1716
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:51.239
<v Speaker 2>six months if the years and the months don't line

1717
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:54.279
<v Speaker 2>up or whatever. In an unusual twist for this kind

1718
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:59.399
<v Speaker 2>of religious prophetic madness, one of the most thorough debunkings

1719
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.079
<v Speaker 2>of the X over America means the end Times is coming.

1720
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Stuff came from no less than a creationist astronomer, a

1721
01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:10.960
<v Speaker 2>guy who works for a Young Earth ministry, which if

1722
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you're unfamiliar with Young Earth, it's the idea that the

1723
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Earth is only six thousand years old, as claimed in

1724
01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the Bible.

1725
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.439
<v Speaker 3>Or if the dinosaur bones like the devil.

1726
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.880
<v Speaker 2>The dinosaur bones. The theory I heard growing up was

1727
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.600
<v Speaker 2>that dinosaur bones were placed in the ground by God

1728
01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:27.319
<v Speaker 2>as a test to see if we would be able

1729
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 2>to discern that they were not real because they didn't

1730
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:34.760
<v Speaker 2>fit into the timeline of the Young Earth.

1731
01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Creation is pretty ridiculous. It seems like God's get better

1732
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.079
<v Speaker 3>things to do, you would think. I mean, also, he's

1733
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:43.159
<v Speaker 3>constantly putting people through trials Old God, Old Testament God.

1734
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:45.119
<v Speaker 2>It could also have been a trick of the devil

1735
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>putting the bones there a trick power. I mean, who knows,

1736
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what His bone budget is probably hot

1737
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>after the fall. He's the devil. His blood budget in

1738
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.800
<v Speaker 2>his bone budget is through the roof. I find I've

1739
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:59.039
<v Speaker 2>seen a picture of hell. There's a lot of fire too.

1740
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Well. A person is most synonymous read usually when your

1741
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:05.640
<v Speaker 3>ledgers in the red, you're pretty broke. So I don't

1742
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:09.279
<v Speaker 3>know what he can do this long walk we got there.

1743
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:12.199
<v Speaker 2>This is a guy who very much believes in biblical

1744
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.720
<v Speaker 2>prophecy in general, and even his quote, my favorite quote

1745
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.079
<v Speaker 2>of his at least is there are many sources promoting

1746
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the claim that this eclipse signals God's judgment on the

1747
01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>United States. You may wonder how this could be, seeing

1748
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:28.760
<v Speaker 2>that the United States is not clearly identified in scripture.

1749
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:33.560
<v Speaker 2>This claim is the product of extra biblical speculation that

1750
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:37.279
<v Speaker 2>amounts to a Rorschach test. So, in other words, anyone

1751
01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:40.319
<v Speaker 2>can see anything in anything, which I'd argue this guy

1752
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>probably does with regularly in other ways. But good for

1753
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:46.880
<v Speaker 2>him for, you know, for stepping up.

1754
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:48.640
<v Speaker 3>To being an originalist when it comes to.

1755
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So I guess I want to wrap this episode up

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01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.239
<v Speaker 2>by saying that for as off base as a lot

1757
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of these fears about eclipses are or were, I think

1758
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the explanation as to why we have a innate fear

1759
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of a total solar eclipse is buried way down in

1760
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:11.399
<v Speaker 2>our reptile brains, because if you ever have the chance

1761
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:14.800
<v Speaker 2>to experience standing in the totality of an.

1762
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Eclipse, I don't think I'll have the money.

1763
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>You may not, but if anybody else out there has,

1764
01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:23.600
<v Speaker 2>or born to be, or wants to, you know that

1765
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:27.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a much weirder feeling than just it gets dark.

1766
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>There's a temperature drop associated with it. It drops fast,

1767
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:34.279
<v Speaker 2>sometimes as much as ten degrees, and right before the

1768
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>sun vanishes, there are these faint, rippling bands of shadows

1769
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>that race across the ground called shadow bands, that look

1770
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:43.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of like if you look at the light at

1771
01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of a swimming pool. Scientists still to this

1772
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:50.199
<v Speaker 2>day have no idea what causes the shadow band, sort of.

1773
01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Like atmospheric pressure thing or something in probably when you

1774
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:55.239
<v Speaker 3>look to a telescope and it's a wavy.

1775
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's still something that is weird that we don't

1776
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>fully understand why it happens, and animals know that something

1777
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.640
<v Speaker 2>is wrong too. During the twenty seventeen eclipse, there was

1778
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:07.079
<v Speaker 2>a study at a zoo in South Carolina in which

1779
01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:12.279
<v Speaker 2>researchers watch seventeen species during the eclipse, and the majority

1780
01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:16.479
<v Speaker 2>of them reacted to it, flipping straight into their nighttime routines.

1781
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:20.199
<v Speaker 2>In the middle of the afternoon, the giraffes, which apparently

1782
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:23.119
<v Speaker 2>almost never run, started galloping, so they.

1783
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Do at night. I don't know nighttime routine.

1784
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:27.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that all of these things are night

1785
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Some of them did nighttime routines, like the gorillas started

1786
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:35.319
<v Speaker 2>to get ready for bed. The giraffes started galloping. The tortoises,

1787
01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of all things, began mating. The animals went crazy. They

1788
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>they all kind of wigged out when the sun disappeared

1789
01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:42.760
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the day.

1790
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:44.279
<v Speaker 3>It also sounds like this is all shit they do

1791
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:45.680
<v Speaker 3>as soon as we go to sleep. They're like toy

1792
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:46.359
<v Speaker 3>story toys.

1793
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.560
<v Speaker 2>All the animals at the zoo get up to no good.

1794
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those eyes.

1795
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:54.479
<v Speaker 2>And I think for humans, you know, we're animals too,

1796
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:58.199
<v Speaker 2>And even though we know everything that we know about

1797
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:00.880
<v Speaker 2>eclipses now, there is a part of our brain that

1798
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I think is still unable to comprehend the scale of

1799
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:07.600
<v Speaker 2>something like an eclipse and the fact that our senses

1800
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>tell us, oh, something's happening here, this light's going away,

1801
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>it's getting cold like that is a panic sensation that

1802
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:19.840
<v Speaker 2>throughout the ages and probably forever, will cause people to

1803
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>tell stories and tales and whatever about eclipses.

1804
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.000
<v Speaker 3>I think there's also an inherent irrational thing that might

1805
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.039
<v Speaker 3>happen where it's like the sun is kind of when

1806
01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:33.760
<v Speaker 3>you get your work done when the sun's out, doing

1807
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:37.800
<v Speaker 3>anything by fire sucks. Having lights made that infinitely better.

1808
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.760
<v Speaker 3>It's a sense of warmth like the sun is like warmth.

1809
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:45.760
<v Speaker 3>The sun is life, Yeah, gives life to fucking plants

1810
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.960
<v Speaker 3>and blah blah blah. So the idea that it can

1811
01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:50.640
<v Speaker 3>like go away and maybe this will be the time

1812
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.640
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't come back, it might be like an irrational

1813
01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:57.039
<v Speaker 3>but maybe embedded fear. I think so.

1814
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.399
<v Speaker 2>I think it's not something that we necessarily even of.

1815
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just not something it's it's in a way, I

1816
01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's a little similar to what you were just

1817
01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>saying about circus tents that show up where they shouldn't be.

1818
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Your brain's just like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa,

1819
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>whoa WHOA.

1820
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>I drive by this every day and I don't see

1821
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:17.199
<v Speaker 3>traveling people, Yeah, traveling creeps.

1822
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And even even beyond the fear of an eclipse, I think,

1823
01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>more than anything, if you're able to observe the one

1824
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.199
<v Speaker 2>coming up next week, or if you're able to observe

1825
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>any eclipse in the future, I think they are really

1826
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:34.479
<v Speaker 2>a majestic event that we should embrace the opportunity to witness,

1827
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>because they can be stirring in a way that most

1828
01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:42.399
<v Speaker 2>other natural events aren't. Really, because they are such an

1829
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>epic site.

1830
01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:45.840
<v Speaker 3>In a global event. Even if it's not even if

1831
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:47.920
<v Speaker 3>you're not catching it totally, you're happing Son's happening where

1832
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:50.079
<v Speaker 3>you're are. I thinkthing's happening where you are.

1833
01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I think this quote from David Baron's twenty

1834
01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>seventeen book American Eclipse, a nation's epic race to catch

1835
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the shadow of the moon and win the glory of

1836
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>the world great title wraps it up, wraps up this

1837
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.720
<v Speaker 2>episode for us well. Quote. Toting smartphones and clad in

1838
01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>synthetic fibers, millions of Americans will travel to the path

1839
01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:13.079
<v Speaker 2>of the eclipse by air and interstate highway. They'll consider

1840
01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>themselves knowledgeable and worldly, more sophisticated surely than their forebears,

1841
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>who viewed the same site with superstition and religious fervor.

1842
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:23.199
<v Speaker 2>These modern Americans will act as if they are heading

1843
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 2>to an athletic event, eager to watch the Moon conquer

1844
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.399
<v Speaker 2>the Sun. They will learn, however, that a total eclipse

1845
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>is no spectator sport. It is a primal experience that

1846
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>connects us to the universe and also bridges the span

1847
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>of history. Now, this next thing he wrote in the

1848
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>lead up to the twenty seventeen eclipse. So he wrote,

1849
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the world may not end on August twenty first, but

1850
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>lives will change. Some who stand in the path of

1851
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the Moon's shadow will look up and find God. Others

1852
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.760
<v Speaker 2>will discover a passion for science, a desire to understand

1853
01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the workings of the Sun and the Solar system. All, meanwhile,

1854
01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>will gain a new sense of kinship with generations of

1855
01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the past and future. Clips baffles the mind and pierces

1856
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the soul, as it always has and always will. It

1857
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:11.199
<v Speaker 2>reminds us of our common, fragile humanity. So with that said, ed,

1858
01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>where are you putting solar eclipses on your fear Tier one?

1859
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.800
<v Speaker 3>The fear of not being able to get to the

1860
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.520
<v Speaker 3>next one to see it in person is higher.

1861
01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is actually I guess the Summer of Fear.

1862
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>In addition to Mermaids, this will now be our second

1863
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>fear that we're putting it a one on the fear tier.

1864
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:31.479
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, we're evening it out with some

1865
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:35.159
<v Speaker 2>really high placed fears too. But I also put a

1866
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>solar eclipse out of one. As long as you don't

1867
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>look at it, it's fine. You definitely should try to

1868
01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>experience one. It is much of a totality of one

1869
01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:47.479
<v Speaker 2>as you can, if you ever can. They are awesome

1870
01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and they will expand your mind just being there. So

1871
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.439
<v Speaker 2>go out and catch one. And until then the show

1872
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is Scared All the Time. I'm Chris Klari and I'm Edvacola,

1873
01:29:58.119 --> 01:30:00.439
<v Speaker 2>and we will see you on the other side of

1874
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the eclipse.

1875
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, bye bye bye. Scared All the Time is

1876
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:07.039
<v Speaker 3>co produced by Chris Calari and Edvacola.

1877
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:08.479
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1878
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:09.600
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1883
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