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Radlib, 24 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:57,920 how are you doing? 25 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: Very good? And I and I recall, I believe the 26 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:04,799 last time we were talking about sorry, what's it called? 27 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,680 You kill people when they're old and sick and stuff? 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, how are both are both of us gotten 29 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:19,719 so old that we can't remember what it is? What? What? What? 30 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: The that's right? The last time last time I was on, 31 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,280 it was about euthanasia. So I'm afraid. Uh, someday I'll 32 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,479 come on and we're gonna have a really cheerful conversation, 33 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:32,000 but today is not that day. 34 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Oh man. Oh well. The reason I invited you on 35 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:39,039 is because I have been following what you've been doing 36 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,719 lately on your channel, and this this episode about Israel, 37 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:52,159 in particular about Israel panoptikon is there's some things about 38 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,240 it that you know, I'll stop you at certain points 39 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,240 to it just seems unbelievable. It just seems like some 40 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:03,719 kind of weird movie where all of a sudden you're 41 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:06,120 watching this thing and then you're like, oh, oh, that's 42 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:08,840 why they're doing this. Oh okay, but no, I mean 43 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,439 we'll wait, we'll get to that well, I mean talk 44 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,800 about what, well, how. 45 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,039 Speaker 2: About I shill my series really quick to give people 46 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,719 some colleagues right now, how I even ended up on 47 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:24,560 this topic, and that is I've been doing a series 48 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:28,159 called the Specialist Relationship. I looked it up at the 49 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:33,919 real word special special er, specialist, right, and so what 50 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:36,639 is the specialist? We talk about the special relationship between 51 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:38,719 the UK and the US, but I think we all 52 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:41,319 know there's an even more special, a most special of 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,280 all relationship between the US and the state of Israel. Right. 54 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,360 That's being brought home today as we're learning that disaster 55 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:55,039 relief funds are contingent upon Israel being happy with you 56 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:58,319 and you're not sanctioning them or whatever, you know, the 57 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,439 boycotting them, I should say, boycott israelin anyway. So yeah, 58 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,199 so that's a very special relationship. In fact, on Twitter, 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,520 I was checking in with Apostolic Majesty and other trusted people. 60 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Could they think of a parallel to the relationship between 61 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,879 US and Israel historically that we can like compare it to. Oh, yeah, 62 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,800 it's just like you know, when Switzerland was running all 63 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,319 of Russia or something, you know, And he said, frankly, 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,720 he couldn't. It is really unprecedented, which is what John 65 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,360 Mehersheimer said that the relationship between US and Israel, we 66 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:34,839 really have no historical parallel, you know, a negligible military 67 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,920 power that just seems to make this huge military power 68 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,839 dance to its tune. Right, So I thought that was 69 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,240 worth digging into. So I started in a very basic way. 70 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,600 To veterans, this is not going to be very exciting. 71 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,839 I just went through the Israel Lobby by Stephen Walden. 72 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,240 John Meihersheimer right to me, that's one oh one material. 73 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:57,800 I'd never really gone through it. I poked around, but 74 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,720 I hadn't really gone through it carefully. So first I 75 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,720 just I think five episodes, just marching through that book, 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,759 getting the basics under our belt of how the Israel 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,519 Lobby functions as well as let me get Meherscheimer in 78 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,160 what they're do. They confront a lot of the arguments 79 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,480 that are often used to say, well, there's a reason 80 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,000 for this relationship. Israel is a strategic asset for the US, 81 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:22,600 and there's a moral justification for this, and you know, 82 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,680 they address all of those things. They do a great job. 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,439 I think it holds up very well. I mean it's 84 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,879 going on twenty years old now. It holds up really 85 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,040 well in terms of addressing a lot of the propaganda 86 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,680 we hear. But of course they also just go into 87 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,160 the mechanics of how does the Israel lobby function, how 88 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:40,279 does it have such an influence on the ruling elite. 89 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,639 So having done that, then I wanted to go beyond 90 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:48,680 Meerscheimer and Walt and talk about the role of the underworld, 91 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,199 the mafia in for example, the founding of Israel. I 92 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,439 thought that was pretty interesting. And then on this one 93 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,839 that caught Pete's attention, I heard someone say something and 94 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,759 it got my attention. I asked him, tell me what 95 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,959 you mean. He said, we are all Palestinians now, and 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,959 I was like, what are you getting that there? And 97 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,360 so so I'll just jump right to the punchline. Weapons, 98 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,600 psychological warfare, surveillance tech and more are battle tested on 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,800 the Palestinians like in Gaza, as we've been seeing for 100 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,319 the last two years, and then they're sold by the 101 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:32,040 State of Israel to governments around the world to be 102 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,639 used on us. 103 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: That's like, that's the revealing. That's like if you're watching 104 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,279 a movie and there are these you know, there's this 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,560 gorilla faction and they're going up against this like mechanized 106 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,279 army who has control over them, controls how much water 107 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,279 and food comes in. And then you know you're like, well, 108 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,360 why is this happening? This doesn't make any sense. Well 109 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,480 then you get this reveal that oh, Israel sells all 110 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:06,800 of these things weapons and surveillance systems and everything, but 111 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,399 not before testing them out on a pop year. People 112 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:11,600 ask well, why didn't they just get rid of the Palestinians, 113 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Why didn't they just kill them all? Why didn't they 114 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,199 just you know, send them so I mean for the 115 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:18,720 center of the ocean, put them on a barge and 116 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:22,319 put them in the center of the Mediterranean and sink it. Well, 117 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,639 because then then they don't have they don't have mice 118 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:28,079 to test. 119 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,199 Speaker 2: Things on exactly. Now, let me bring the money element in. 120 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,639 I know this my chalk, you pete, that there's a 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,319 monetary aspect to this deal. Make the money off this. 122 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,199 Speaker 1: I am floored. 123 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: But the money Israel makes by selling you know, cyber 124 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,360 warfare stuff, weapons and so on and so forth, not 125 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,800 only is it critical to keeping Israel afloat today, it's 126 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,199 actually been critical for decades That's one of the things 127 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,639 I learned digging into this. Now I'm going to focus 128 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,079 more on the sexy new cyber technology stuff, right, But 129 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 the material I was reading was also talking about them 130 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,120 selling weapons to South Africa and so on and so 131 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,839 forth decades ago. So this is not new. This is 132 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,839 part of how the Israel project keeps going is it 133 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:20,000 comes up with new stuff and it sells it to people. 134 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,319 And this battle tested on Palestinian thing is literally like 135 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,519 a market slogan for them. You know, we are trying 136 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,439 this out. We are tracking every Palestinian's movement. 137 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: You could do. 138 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: You could have that amazing technology for yourself, for your 139 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,320 own citizens. Isn't that nice? 140 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,399 Speaker 1: I'll buy it. I'll buy that for a dollar. If 141 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,960 you remember RoboCop. Thank you? 142 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,039 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So let's see what's the easiest way 143 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:53,759 here we go? All right? So, uh, I'm gonna draw 144 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:55,559 from two things. An article in a book. I'll start 145 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,320 with the article. It's a Jonathan Cook article. He's been 146 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,759 on this topic for some years and this one's a 147 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:04,440 little old, but I kind of like that because I 148 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,360 want to emphasize, you know, a lot of what we're 149 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,440 talking about these days in regards to Israel is related 150 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,039 to October seventh and what's happened since then in Kaza. Right, 151 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:16,320 this is an older story that is totally relevant to 152 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,600 the Gaza story, but it didn't start then, right, And 153 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,559 so this isn't actually an article that he wrote in 154 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,600 December twenty nineteen. I think it was published January twenty twenty, 155 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,879 but it's December nineteen. And let me give you a 156 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:34,320 little bit from it, So Israeli analyst Jeff Helper. And 157 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,360 by the way, I think everyone I'm quoting from is Jewish. 158 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:40,600 The book, the article, the sources for the article in 159 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:44,200 the book, they're like all Jewish, Okay, As we know, 160 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,399 there's Jewish people who do aren't totally down with the 161 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:51,559 way the state of Israel functions. Israeli analyst Jeff Helper 162 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:55,159 warned that Israel is treating the millions of Palestinians under 163 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,000 its military rule effectively as guinea pigs in open air laboratories. 164 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:02,840 They have become the test bet for developing not only 165 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:06,080 new conventional weapons systems, but also new tools for mass 166 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,639 surveillance and control. And as I mentioned, there's been a 167 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,639 transition recently. They'd been doing what you'd usually think of 168 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,159 as military weapons for some time, but in recent years, 169 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,279 meaning starting fifteen years ago or more, they've been transitioning 170 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,679 into like cyber warfare type stuff, you know, cracking our 171 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,879 phones and being able to find out what we're up 172 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:35,679 to in our devices or digital devices and so forth. Right, 173 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:38,559 So Israel can rightly claim to be a world authority 174 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,039 on surveilling, controlling and oppressing populations under its rule. So 175 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,120 if you separate your feelings from this and just do 176 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,279 a business analysis, what's a unique selling proposition that Israel has. 177 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:58,039 It's occupying these occupied areas, it's surveiling, control, trying to 178 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:05,960 control these populations. It knows through experience, how to do, uh, 179 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,600 you know, deal with a mob, deal with an angry mob, right, 180 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:15,600 how to spy on this population, how to get people 181 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,480 find people they want to find within the population, Right, 182 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,679 all that kind of stuff. From a strictly business point 183 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,320 of view, They've got a unique selling proposition here, right, 184 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,120 And people are buying in large quantities. 185 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't want to buy something unless it's been tested. 186 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,679 And if you can say that it's been tested, you know, 187 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,720 And I mean, I think pretty much most of the 188 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:48,360 world has come to the conclusion that testing things on 189 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,080 humans against their will is probably wrong. Yeah, but you know, 190 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:56,840 as long as they have this victim, as long as 191 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,720 they keep this victim kind of I mean, you know. 192 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:02,120 But here that's the thing though, is if you're if 193 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,840 you have this selling proposition, the people you're dealing with 194 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,399 can no longer believe that you're the victim. 195 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: Well that's an interesting point. 196 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,159 Speaker 1: They have to see you as these mad scientists who 197 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:19,600 you're I mean like literally you're buying stuff off of 198 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:26,039 mad scientists and yeah, and unscrupulous, so you have to 199 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,840 wonder what you're buying. So like, like October seventh, that 200 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,080 whole security system Defence everything that is a package that 201 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,000 they sold to other countries and other countries are relying 202 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:41,759 on that working, and on October seventh, none of it worked. 203 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,039 So I mean they just got revealed a scam artist 204 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,120 for anybody who bought that. 205 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:52,159 Speaker 2: So right, yet they're doing okay business wise, as we'll see. Yeah, 206 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,679 and I didn't pull this part from my notes, but uh, 207 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,639 there's this great movie with Will Smith called Enemy of 208 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,080 the State. I often recommend it all about. 209 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: You know, excellent movie, full. 210 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:06,639 Speaker 2: Spectrum surveillance basically, right, it follows the Gene Hackman movie. 211 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,440 The Conversation also recommended. Ideally watching one and watch the 212 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,639 older one, then watch the new one. 213 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: The Conversation is one of the greatest movies of the 214 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,480 nineteen seventies. You have to watch a movie. 215 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll find it. Watch The Conversation from the seventies. 216 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,039 Watch Enemy of the State much much later, but it's 217 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,799 definitely a sequel. Gene Hackman appears an enemy of the 218 00:13:25,799 --> 00:13:29,200 State and it makes a great sequence. Anyway, an enemy 219 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,360 of the state. Wherever Will Smith goes, you know, there's 220 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,559 a camera, there's something figuring out that he used a card. 221 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:39,200 You know, somehow he keeps getting tracked no matter what 222 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,879 he does. They can figure out where he is. Right well, 223 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:43,879 that's one of the things they talk about. They're showing 224 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:47,000 off this tech to their customers. Hey, look, we can 225 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:51,000 track this one Palestinian in Gaza and as he goes 226 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,600 from this camera to the next camera, we can you know, 227 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:57,080 we have technology they can figure out, okay, he's now 228 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,200 gone here, and it's just jumping views and tracking other 229 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,039 you know, transactions he's making. And we can literally follow 230 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,559 this guy all day through through all of our various 231 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,200 surveillance systems, and it's straight out of enemy of the state, 232 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:14,480 you know anyway, Okay, so a key thing. I'm going 233 00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:16,440 to try not to drown everyone with details, but I 234 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,159 did want to give some representative company Israeli company names. 235 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:22,600 And if you're going to know about these companies, you 236 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,600 got to know where they spring from. And a lot 237 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:27,360 of them spring from something called Unit eighty two hundred. 238 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:29,559 Had you heard about this already, Pete. 239 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: I reference it quite often, yes. 240 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, so not new to the pizza audience. 241 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,080 So Israeli army intelligence units like eighty two hundred teach 242 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,360 soldiers how to spy on Palestinians through their phones, computers, 243 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:46,000 and social media accounts, right, all this cyber stuff. Many 244 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,559 later go on to set up companies developing similar software 245 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,960 for more general application, and so they develop stuff, they 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,799 have to get permission from the Israeli government to export 247 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:59,399 what they develop, they have to get an export license 248 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:03,039 or something like that. That so the Israeli government might 249 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,679 try to distance itself sometimes from these things, but it's 250 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,480 hip deep. It's coming straight out of there. It's like 251 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,840 all the people Pete, who are like, well, I used 252 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:15,559 to be in the Cia. But you know I'm over 253 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,919 that now, right, And we're all like, yeah, sure you are. 254 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,320 So we have all these people who used to be 255 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,600 in Unit eighty two hundred. Now they work for a 256 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,799 private company and Israel. They develop something and Israel gives 257 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:31,919 them permission to sell it off to governments around the world. Right, So, 258 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,360 who are the big purchasers of Israeli technology like this? States? 259 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:42,840 Obviously around the around the world and private corporations. Private 260 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,120 corporations will buy some of this to spy on their 261 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,200 competitors and things like that. Okay. Having said that, I 262 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,399 think this is notable. Silicon Valley companies are sometimes pretty 263 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,399 unhappy with the hacking technology that Israeli Israel's putting out there. 264 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,679 Unhappy in fact. And we have an update this year. 265 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:11,200 On this October twenty nineteen, WhatsApp, owned by Facebook or 266 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,000 Meta now Right, initiated the first lawsuit of its kind 267 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:20,840 in a California court against NSO, Israeli's largest surveillance company. 268 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:24,919 They accused NSO of cyber attacks. For example, in a 269 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,799 two week period in early May twenty eighteen, I think 270 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,759 examined by WhatsApp, NSO is reported to have targeted the 271 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:34,759 mobile phones of more than fourteen hundred users in twenty countries. 272 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:39,039 So WhatsApp is like, hey, we want our users to 273 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:42,120 be secure in using our app, and you guys keep hacking. 274 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,200 This is against our interest. We're going to suit you. Right, Well, 275 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,399 here's the update I just checked on this date. Didn't 276 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,360 realize this until I looked it up. That lawsuit just 277 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:54,159 concluded in May this year and Meta want and NSO 278 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,440 owes them one hundred and sixty seven million dollars in damages. 279 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:05,119 So interesting story there. Let's see then nsospyware, which is 280 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,000 known as Pegasus, that's another term to remember. Pegasus has 281 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,440 been used against human rights activists, lawyers, religious leaders, journalists, 282 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,039 aid workers, the stuff going in Gaza, right, The aid 283 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:21,359 workers have absolutely been targeted, I've noticed. And then according 284 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,519 to Reuter's, senior officials of US and allies, US allies 285 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,519 have also been targeted by NSO. And so what does 286 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:31,720 it do Pegasus after taking charge of the user's phone 287 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,880 without their knowledge, Pegasus copies data, turns on the microphone 288 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,759 for surveillance. That's the part that freaked me out. So 289 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:41,960 it's scrapes and then it just turns it on and 290 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,119 just listens in see what it can hear, right. 291 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: And we know it's there, and we know that it 292 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,519 can be that it's always listening. Anyone who has Facebook 293 00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:53,119 knows that knows that it's always listening. 294 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: My wife said something like, I'm seeing ads about something 295 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,440 that I said verbally but did not type into the phone. 296 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:01,880 What does that mean? Right? 297 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's happened to me. It's happened to me many times. 298 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Forbes magazine described Pegasus as the world's 299 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,119 most invasive mobile spy kit. Okay, now I'm pulling from 300 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:17,559 the book that we'll get to, uh in more depth 301 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:18,079 in a moment. 302 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,319 Speaker 1: But that's why. Let me let me just let me 303 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,279 just let you know. I went off on my live 304 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:24,400 stream like a month and a half two months ago 305 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:29,599 about how you're on Twitter as in a noon and 306 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,359 you think that nobody knows who you are? There is 307 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:41,039 no anonymous anymore. Yeah, yeah, you're not you if you're 308 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,920 screaming about a certain group all day or accusing everybody 309 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,200 who disagrees with you of being that group, or saying 310 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,559 you know they know who you are, they know they 311 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:58,480 have your information, it's your Your only safety would be 312 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,720 you're not public, not safe. From public power and force. 313 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,920 You may be safe from private power and force, but 314 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,640 that's it. And I'm not even sure about that anymore 315 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,799 because a lot of these yeah, I don't know if 316 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:12,519 you're going to talk about that. A lot of these 317 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:18,160 companies work with like Antifa and Indivisible. 318 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Falls to them. 319 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, funnels that information. 320 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:24,759 Speaker 2: So yeah, no pt I hear guys some of them 321 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,000 friends of mine who are like, you don't understand my 322 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,519 op sec is the best op seck in the world, 323 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:35,720 And I'm like, sure, good luck, I hope it is. Yeah, right, okay, 324 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,599 So a little more on this NSO company that produces pegasos. 325 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,759 This is from Snowden Whistle. Edward Snowden calls NSO and 326 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:47,599 other companies like them the insecurity industry. He puts it bluntly, 327 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,000 the phone in your hand exists in a state of 328 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:54,880 perpetual insecurity, open to infection by any willing to put 329 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,119 money in the hand of the new insecurity industry. The 330 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:01,200 entirety of the industry's business cooking up new kinds of 331 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,839 infections that will bypass the various the very latest digital 332 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,799 vaccines security updates, and then selling them to countries that 333 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,839 occupy the red hot intersection of a Venn diagram between 334 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,559 desperately craves tools of oppression and sorely lacks the sophistication 335 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,200 to produce them domestically. An industry like this whose sole 336 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,640 purpose is the production of vulnerability should be dismantled. Right, 337 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,720 So you know, I'm obviously interested in this being used 338 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,599 on us in the West, right in the US and 339 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,759 Western countries and so forth. But I'll just mention for 340 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:38,480 those interested. As Snowden references, there a lot of sort 341 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,039 of third world countries that are not very sophisticated in 342 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:43,880 their governance, but they want to have this kind of tech. 343 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,960 They just go to Israel and buy it, get it 344 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,759 off the shelf from Israel. Right. They don't have to 345 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:51,359 have the IQ or whatever to develop this stuff, they 346 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,559 just get it from them. 347 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,079 Speaker 1: Well, here's something I will say about Snowden. Yeah, I 348 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:00,279 don't know that I one hundred percent trust Snowden, but 349 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,480 he is putting information out If he is a limited hangout, 350 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,400 think about that, he's giving you less than what is 351 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,359 out there. Yeah, so ye take it if you think 352 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,519 that Snowden is this op or something like that. He's 353 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:18,720 putting stuff out there that has proved to be true. 354 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,240 If he's not giving you everything, just imagine what you're 355 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:23,279 not what you don't know. 356 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not better off than Snowden pictures, whereas bad 357 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,039 or probably worse than the pictures Noten gives us. Absolutely. Yeah, okay, 358 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:37,240 so let me introduce another name, black Cube. This caught 359 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,359 my attention another one of these Israeli security companies. Black 360 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,759 Cube worked on behalf of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, 361 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,039 collecting information on women who'd accused him of sexual assault 362 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,799 or rape. That's quite interesting to me, Pete, because I 363 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:54,039 don't know if you noticed, but some of our say 364 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:00,440 very vital friends online started coming out in defensive Weinstein, saying, 365 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,119 you know, he needs to be he needs to be 366 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,200 brought back and everything. 367 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: Right. Well, I mean, I don't I've never seen the 368 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,920 case file. I've never read the case. I assume he's 369 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,680 guilty just because of the industry he's in and knowing 370 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 the whole history of that industry and what it is, 371 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,599 I assume he's guilty. I'm I'm not going to assume 372 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,720 his innocence, but yeah, knowing that he was using is 373 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,839 I mean, this just sounds like Leo Frank to me, Yeah, 374 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,640 where you know, a Jewish a Jewish guy gets accused 375 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,000 of something and all of a sudden, now he has 376 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,319 access to you know, in Leo Frank's case, millions, you know, 377 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,559 thirty million in today's dollars for his defense. And then 378 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,640 then yeah, and Harvey Weinstein has access to spy software 379 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,319 from n okay. 380 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: Right, Right, He's just lucky that way. You know. Sometimes 381 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,240 sometimes some people all it all comes up good for them, 382 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,720 you know. Just he has really good friends exactly. One 383 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,240 of Black Cube's founders, Dan Zarella, a veteran of the 384 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:24,079 Israeli military's secret Special Operations Unit. Staff for the company 385 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,640 are typically recruited from Masad, the army, or the shin Bet, 386 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Israel's domestic intelligence agency that spies on Palestinians. The late 387 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,000 Myer de Gan, a former Massad had, was at one 388 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,519 point the company's president. So as we see in the 389 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359 US PEDE, and this is not that different, right, We'll 390 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,960 see the rotating door between like an intelligence agency and 391 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,079 a company that is either a cutout or very very 392 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:54,759 closely aligned like Pallanteer or something like that, right with 393 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,119 these with these folks, So same deal in Israel. 394 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Meyer de Gan another guy who was born in Israel. 395 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,039 Oh no way, he was born in Ukraine. Imagine that. 396 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: Uh there you go. Okay, one more. Anivo, an Israeli 397 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,799 data collection company established by two veterans of Unit eighty 398 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:16,920 two hundred, was acquired by Facebook in twenty thirteen. Interesting, 399 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,400 here's Facebook on the other side of the table here. 400 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,559 Apple banned the Anovo VPN in twenty eighteen over revelations 401 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:28,839 that was providing unlimited access to users data. I have 402 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,079 wondered about the VPN stuff, Peepe. I'm like, I've got 403 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,559 to really know the people who are selling this VPN 404 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,839 stuff before I installed on my stuff my devices, because 405 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,240 they get everything right, they can track it all. 406 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be able to find out exactly 407 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,200 who who's in charge of that stuff, who owns these things. 408 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,880 I mean, you know, I think it's It doesn't escape 409 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,559 me that there's a gun company, a historically German gun 410 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:01,039 company who now has headquarters here in manufactures guns here, 411 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,319 and all of a sudden, the guns start going off 412 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,440 for no reason and killing their users. When I heard 413 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,559 about that, they get a new CEO whose last name 414 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:14,279 is Cone. 415 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 416 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:21,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry that is that damn IQ 417 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,200 where I just I notice all these patterns. 418 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,599 Speaker 2: Exactly, Okay, and then I again, I'm I'm ill. I'll 419 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,920 be honest. I'm sharing this one a little bit for 420 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,119 the disgust factor, but it is relevant. Another leading Israeli 421 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,000 firm is called Candiru c A N d I r U, 422 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,400 named for a small Amazonian fish that is reputed to 423 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,000 secretly invade the human body where it becomes a parasite. 424 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,880 So they name their company after this glorious little creature. 425 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,759 Kandiu sells its hacking tools mostly to Western governments, although 426 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,680 it is its operations are shrouded in secrecy. According to Rats, 427 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,039 its staff is drawn almost exclusively from Unit eighty two hundred. 428 00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,759 Speaker 1: Okay, and just just a reminder, I mean, I don't 429 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,519 have to tell this to people who are in the 430 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:18,319 computer industry, hardware or software. The people who come up 431 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,200 with these things have back doors into them. Yeah right, 432 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,920 So oh, that's just going to the French. That's just 433 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,799 going to the French government. The French government's getting all 434 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:31,519 that information now. 435 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, Okay, So that's what I wanted to 436 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,279 draw from the article. There's more to it if you 437 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:44,119 look that article up by Jonathan Cook. But now I 438 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,039 want to turn to a book called The Palestine Laboratory. 439 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:49,359 I don't need to explain the title at this point 440 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,880 you know exactly what he's talking about. And it's by 441 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,880 Anthony Lowenstein. Guessing he's Jewish. I didn't check, but. 442 00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: That sounds really irish to me. 443 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, but good for him for calling this 444 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,680 stuff out. So now this book is a was published 445 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,799 after October seventh, so I actually thought i'd start keep 446 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:14,079 a topical. Now start with him writing a little bit 447 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,359 about October seventh and this perspective of sort of what 448 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,359 Israel gets out of these things. And by the way, 449 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,680 I didn't really find it for Israel in particular, but 450 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,519 I was reading reading around this area and someone was 451 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:31,720 pointing out that the United States defense industry also sells 452 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,640 its tech to other countries. And the naive view would be, oh, well, 453 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,599 when the US is really like winning in its foreign 454 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,079 conflicts or whatever, then it's really selling stuff. And what 455 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,400 the author explained is it doesn't matter the US can 456 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,960 leave Afghanistan and humiliation, it's still selling stuff, win or lose, 457 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,119 as long as there's conflict, as long as there's battle testing, 458 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,279 then you were able to sell what you're developing through this. 459 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,880 Even if from a certain point of view you lost, 460 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:10,519 somebody's still getting rich off the conflict, right, Okay, So 461 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,599 so he says, I'm going to jump right in. Talking 462 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,279 about October seventh, Lowenstein says it was a failure of 463 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,680 catastrophic proportions, reminiscent of the US missing the key signs 464 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,880 before their tear attacks on September eleventh. None of this 465 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,279 has stopped Israel live testing new weapons during its Scorched 466 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,240 Earth campaign in Gaza. After October seventh, these tools of 467 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,039 war were proudly displayed on social media for both the 468 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,519 domestic and international audience as well as potential global buyers. 469 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:41,079 Israel used artificial intelligence enabled weapons, striking non military targets 470 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:46,720 with unprecedented ferocity. It's a mass assassination factory, one Israeli 471 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:51,559 intelligence officer said. This is how the Palestine laboratory works. 472 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,440 It's for this reason that I expect the Israeli weapons 473 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,160 industry to thrive After October seventh. Israel's leading defense company, 474 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,319 ell Bit the lb I T already wrote that it 475 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:07,000 was experiencing a considerable increased demand global arms fairs in 476 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,559 Singapore and Sarah and Paris saw large Israeli presence promoting weapons, 477 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,839 killer drones and surveillance tech that had been battle tested 478 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,799 in Gaza. I'm picturing, you know, like a scene on 479 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,279 TV or something battle tested in Gaza, you know, with 480 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,279 like a little logo they've made or something. 481 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Oh like you know, the like really over the top 482 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,599 kind of at five minute ad presentation with with female 483 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,000 the only the most good looking female IDF soldiers in bikinis. 484 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,960 And it's I mean, this is what comes to mind. 485 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,039 I mean I grew up, Yeah, I grew up in 486 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,440 the Cold War. We saw stuff like this in movies 487 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,480 all the time. I mean, and this isn't a movie. 488 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,240 This is real life. 489 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: Right by the way, continue showing my series. The last 490 00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,480 entry on the entry on it was Thursday, and I 491 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,960 talked about how they used gal Gado for They were like, hey, 492 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:08,839 Israel's not Israel's reputation is falling. Everybody associates us with 493 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,599 war and conflict. We need to show that we're young, 494 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,279 we're hip, we're sexy, we're high tech. And so they 495 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,079 literally used miss Israel two thousand and four gal Gado, 496 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,160 who we all know of now, and various male Israeli 497 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,119 soldiers in not very many clothes to appeal to a 498 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:32,039 different kind of audience, shall we say, Yeah, so shameless disgusting. 499 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,640 I covered some of the propaganda on Thursday, and what 500 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,839 was really fun about that stream is that somebody jumped 501 00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:43,240 in there and started using the propaganda techniques against me 502 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,279 as I was doing the stream, and I'm literally saying, 503 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,200 as I'm explaining a propaganda technique, I'm like, hey, you 504 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240 should turn your page to the next manual. You know, 505 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,200 we just we just explained that one. I don't think 506 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,720 it's going to work, so try something else. 507 00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:58,359 Speaker 1: You know, it was it was awesome. You know what 508 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,960 was the name, Bob? You had fun with? Bob? 509 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. I did not pay him. I did not ask 510 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,960 for this. It was just sometimes you get lucky anyway. Okay, 511 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,160 it's guaranteed that the tools of deaths are ruthlessly used 512 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,359 in guys that will soon appear in other conflict zones. Okay, 513 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960 now this blew my mind, Pete. As people probably know, 514 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,319 they're these have three organizations in my head. Maybe you 515 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,160 know about more, Pete. But in the UK we have 516 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,599 Hope not Hate. In the US, we have Anti Defamation 517 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,240 League ADL, and Southern Poverty Law Center SPLC right And 518 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:35,920 as far as I can tell, they're all very similar. 519 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,480 They operate in similar ways, they have similar targets, and 520 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,559 similar people staff and support these organizations. Shall we say, 521 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,880 but this I didn't know. In two thousand and four, 522 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,519 the US based pro Israel Anti Defamation League, a self 523 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:56,319 described civil rights organization, began sending US police delegations to Israel. 524 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,720 It hoped to give these officers invaluable insights in the 525 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,279 wake of September eleventh attacks into how Israel tackled counter 526 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:09,319 terranism terrorism. More than one thousand police have since visited 527 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200 Israel with the ADL program and other pro Israel groups. 528 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,279 They learn what Israel has to tell them about suicide, bombers, 529 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:22,000 intelligence gathering, and terrorism. The Israelification is Raelification, remember that term. 530 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:27,039 The Israelification of US security services accelerated immediately after nine 531 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,359 to eleven. Israel is the Harvard of Anti terrorism. The 532 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,839 US as US Capitol Police Chief Terrence W. Gainer pointed 533 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:38,359 out in two thousand and five, So I knew ADL 534 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,759 was like trying to, you know, putting us on hate 535 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,039 maps and sort of all the things. You know, I 536 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,319 didn't know that they were like training our police. 537 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: What Scott Horton has talked about this for a while. Yes, Okay, 538 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,039 they send, Yeah, they send them. They're the allegedly the 539 00:32:56,519 --> 00:33:01,000 neon the neck George Floyd thing. Apparently that's that's Israeli. 540 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,400 That's an Israeli tactic. 541 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm repeating one company. But there was 542 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,839 a little more on NSO. I wanted to pull from 543 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,720 the book here. The trajectory of NSO is symptomatic of 544 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:18,720 an Israeli tradition and testing, marketing and proliferating surveillance technologies 545 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,000 across the globe. The reasons behind this were explained by 546 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,599 the former head of Israel's Defense Export Control Agency, Eli Pinko, 547 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,599 who told a private conference in late twenty twenty one 548 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,279 that the Jewish state had no choice but to sell 549 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,119 weapons and cybertech to anyone who asks. It's either the 550 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,400 civil rights in some country or Israel's right to exist. 551 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,720 He said, I would like to see each of you 552 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:44,039 face this stileman and say no, we will champion human 553 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:47,519 rights in the other country. Gentlemen, it doesn't work, and 554 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,640 I just want to make an editorial comment here. He 555 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,920 used the magic phrase that I've been noticing Israel's right 556 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,279 to exist. As far as I can tell, for some people, 557 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:06,160 Israel's right to existifies anything everything. There's no limit to 558 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,679 what you can do under the rubric of Israel's right 559 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,679 to exist. Have you noticed this? 560 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,519 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate straw man. No, you know, there aren't 561 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,559 people really making that argument. Most of the people who 562 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,760 are making the argument that Israel doesn't have a right 563 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,599 to exist are like far right spurgs, who you know, 564 00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,000 have no power to do that, have no power to 565 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,159 hurt Israel. But most people are just like no, Israel 566 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,679 should just be like every other country. And maybe maybe 567 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,760 somebody should ask the question of well, what brought this on? 568 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,760 What other country in the world? You know is is 569 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,440 there a population next door that is constantly trying to 570 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,760 destroy it? But the reason they're trying to destroy it 571 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,840 is because they're basically hostages. Yeah, I mean, I know, 572 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,960 hostages can sound like a straw man. Oh, they can 573 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,079 leave if they want to. It takes money to leave 574 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:07,880 most of these people. Most of these people don't have 575 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,599 enough calories in order to travel. 576 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 2: This is millions of people. By the way, everybody seems 577 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,360 to talk about it like, oh, it's no, you know, 578 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,519 send a boat over, put them on the boat. It's 579 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,360 gonna be a lot of boats, buddy. 580 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,679 Speaker 1: And where do they go? 581 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 582 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: Who wants them? 583 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Nobody want They destabilized Lebanon as I got to 584 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,760 be with Hunger the di merchant recently in person, and 585 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,719 he was talking about how they destabilized Lebanon when Palestinians 586 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,880 came there. Right, Egypt is teetering on the brink, as 587 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,400 I understand it. Egypt's not in a very stable political situation. 588 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,559 They do not want a million or two Palestinians to 589 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,679 add the add fuel to the fire over there. 590 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: And we don't want them here and European, most Europeans 591 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,119 don't want them. And you know, the thing is is 592 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,679 that the whole thing about Hunger talking about them destabilizing 593 00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,559 Lebanon and everything, it's not the only country they've ever 594 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,920 done that in. That doesn't mean that I'm going to 595 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,599 take Israel's side. Palestinians didn't like bring the porn industry here, 596 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,639 and they don't have like any over representation and government here, 597 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:23,719 and an overrepresentation in banking here, and an overrepresentation in 598 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,800 academia here, and an overrepresentation in pretty much every culture. 599 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,960 They don't. They don't, But Palestinians don't have videos out 600 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,760 there bragging about how they were responsible for Martin Luther 601 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,239 King Junior and Harvey Milk a disgusting per you know, 602 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,559 and you know and and yeah, I mean sorry. I 603 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,000 know who my I know who my enemy is. I 604 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,320 may not want I may not want to be you know, 605 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,079 bring a whole bunch of Palestinians here, especially ones that 606 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,960 are basically PTSD from birth. But I know who. But 607 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,840 I know who my enemy is. I know who my 608 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,639 real enemy is. 609 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,639 Speaker 2: And you know, when we talk about Palestinians destabilizing Lebanon 610 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,000 or whatever, as Hunger said, that didn't just happen randomly. 611 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,599 It's because they got displaced from where they'd been living 612 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,800 for two thousand years, right, And so you know, one 613 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,320 thing led to another anyway. Okay, I'm going to hit 614 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,719 you with two more companies and then I'm done. I 615 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,639 didn't want to just overwhelm everybody with detail. I wanted 616 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,440 to give you the main story, right, this battle tested 617 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:28,280 in Gaza story. Okay. So, founded in the nineteen nineties, 618 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:33,960 Celebright Cell. Celebright started out as a consumer technology firm, 619 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,840 but by the twenty tens, was deep into the surveillance 620 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,239 business and mobile phone hacking because it saw the potential 621 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,559 of huge profits from working with law enforcement officials around 622 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:48,039 the world. Over twy eight hundred US government customers, including 623 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,679 law enforcement agencies including the Department of Veterans Affairs the 624 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,280 Department of Agriculture, have purchased the company's equipment, and the 625 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,320 firm is hired prosecutors, police officers, and Secret ser Service 626 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,159 agents to train people to use it. I told you 627 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,000 all this to tell you this about Celebrate. Encrypted smartphones 628 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:13,440 are routinely and successfully broken into. With Celebrate tech, Upturn 629 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,639 found that it had been done hundreds of thousands of 630 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,320 times between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty. Right, so you've 631 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,440 got you know, I'm a big Apple user. They have 632 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,519 a huge emphasis on privacy. You know, they like AI 633 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,079 on an Apple phone doesn't phone home, it does it 634 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:36,360 all on your phone, for example. But one suspects that 635 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,719 Celebrates figured out ways to get into my iPhone. Nonetheless, Right, 636 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,679 I'm going to assume that. 637 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,559 Speaker 1: And once again, you think you're anonymous and you're not. 638 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480 You think, oh, I'm using this throwaway email and I'm 639 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:53,000 using a Google phone number that you know. I mean, 640 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:57,039 they can get into your phone. It's likely. What do 641 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,079 you think you're doing here? 642 00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: Right? 643 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:00,519 Speaker 1: Okay? 644 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,119 Speaker 2: And then finally PSI Group and its Heyday side group 645 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,159 was busy deploying a range of software and people working 646 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,039 as quasi spies in the US with social media and 647 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,039 dark web searches and on the ground surveillance to monitor 648 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:18,280 Jewish and Palestinian supporters of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, 649 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960 the BDS movement around twenty seventeen. And it has been 650 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,360 a theme, by the way I talked about it on Thursday. 651 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,599 With the propaganda the BDS movement has really I didn't 652 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,599 think much of it. I didn't think of it as 653 00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,639 very effective or whatever. But Israel's worried about it. I 654 00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:36,760 can tell you that based on the propaganda and as 655 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,320 we see here the technology deployed against the BDS folks. 656 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,280 And then of course we saw with the campus protests 657 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,480 after October seventh against what Israel was doing in Kaza. 658 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,360 Israel did not go, oh, it's just students, don't worry 659 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,079 about it. They came down very hard. Had you know, 660 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,400 Jewish billionaires pulling funding from the universities, telling Columbia you 661 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,000 better get this under control, and as far as I 662 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000 can tell, the college is obeyed. I mean, maybe you 663 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,159 know the story better, Pete, but. 664 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, But you know the BDS movement. I'm not 665 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:18,599 really aware of how how much that hurts Israel, but. 666 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:20,199 Speaker 2: They're afraid of it for some reason. 667 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,159 Speaker 1: But ten but ten years ago, I had seen an 668 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,960 article about how in Texas you can't get a state 669 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:33,239 contract or become like a state employee unless you have 670 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,320 to sign something. This was ten years ago where you 671 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,280 have to basically deny or what do they call when 672 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,320 you deny or I when you say, oh, I have 673 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,400 nothing to do with this, I think they're evil. What 674 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,760 the hell's what's the terminology? What's the word about it? 675 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 2: For? 676 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,679 Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm talking about? 677 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: Something like that. 678 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, denounce, Yeah, you have to denounce the 679 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,760 BDS movement. This is ten years ago in Texas. And 680 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000 then you had what last year, some little town found 681 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,639 out that like four million dollars of their tax money 682 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,800 it may be less than that, don't don't quote me 683 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,480 on that, but over a million dollars of their tax 684 00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,800 money every year was going to Israel and the town 685 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,119 started looking into it and was like, you know this, 686 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,440 this money would be better off at home. And Greg 687 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,480 Abbott came out and said, you know, this is a 688 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:29,480 town of anti Summites. Yeah, right, I talk about this 689 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:33,119 all the time in the eighties. If you use the 690 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,559 term zog, they would break your door down. I mean 691 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:40,079 they would like literally send the FBI to your house. 692 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 693 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,119 Speaker 1: Now it's like it's so obvious that like people are 694 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,039 using people are using that term openly in public, and 695 00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,119 like no one's doing anything. 696 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: Because it's too many. 697 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's proliferic. 698 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned zog peak 699 00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,440 because I wanted to humbly I'm not sure I've seen 700 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,679 this anywhere else, but based on what we're learning today, 701 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,679 I want to humbly submit that we might consider zmech. 702 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,320 It's not as fun to say as zog, but the 703 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,440 Zionist military industrial complex. It's one way we could refer 704 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:12,360 to this mass here. 705 00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,679 Speaker 1: Right, It's bad enough dealing with our own in this country, 706 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,639 also with the caveat that so much of that is 707 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:27,519 controlled by yeah, is by Jewish money, right, But yet 708 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960 then we have to deal with with the other one 709 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:33,079 and the other one is yeah yeah, and then you 710 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,760 have another country that is basically using all of their tech, 711 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,039 selling it to other countries, making money off of it, 712 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,119 but still being able to profit off of it by 713 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,599 it with information. I mean, it's yeah, yeah, it's. 714 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: Quite the scam. Yeah, okay, So I'll just share the 715 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,000 last on the Side Group here. Yakov Ama Drur, the 716 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:58,880 former national security advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin N. Yaho, 717 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,360 told The New York that he worked with the company 718 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,320 because the Israeli government was there, not there watching Palestinian activists, 719 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,320 and I thought that if private people are ready to 720 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,760 do it, it can be helped. His advice to Side 721 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,000 Group staff was don't beat them, don't go into their houses. 722 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,039 The mission was to expose BDS supporters. Side Group staff 723 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,320 were told the operation was legal and to particularly focus 724 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,519 on BDS leaders at American universities. The company collaborated with 725 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,199 the new conservative and pro war Washington think tank Foundation 726 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,480 for Defensive Democracies. Just in case you haven't heard of 727 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,800 FDD before, that name keeps popping up in my research, 728 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,199 So anyway, I could go on and on. I didn't 729 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,960 want to lose people just through sheer detail. I wanted 730 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,000 to give you a flavor of it. I think if 731 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,400 you want something short, look for the Jonathan Cook article. 732 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:50,599 If you want to deeper dive the Palestine Laboratory by 733 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:54,840 Anthony Lowenstein. But you get the picture. They develop it 734 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,880 on the Palestinians as guinea pigs, they sell it to 735 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,119 our governments, the governments use it on us. That's the story. 736 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,480 You know. 737 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: You know, if you're not completely if you haven't been complete, 738 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,559 not completely, but if your brain isn't zogged to the 739 00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:21,360 point where you can't feel bad for the Palestinians. Yeah, 740 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,760 and you do feel bad. I mean, this is so 741 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,880 much worse when you know it's like if you thought 742 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,239 that they had a genuine hatred for these people and 743 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,840 they just wanted to punish them. You could almost look 744 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,599 at history and be like, Okay, one people has done 745 00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:41,320 that to another people over and over again. We're just 746 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,480 seeing it live on TV. We're seeing it live on 747 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,760 the internet, live on x whatever. When you realize it's 748 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:53,000 just like a testing ground for tech, it's like, yeah, 749 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,320 I mean. 750 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 2: It's very dark. I mean it is. I'm thinking of 751 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,760 like seventies movies with the paranoia in some of those movies, 752 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,239 you know, where he's digging, he's digging, and then finally 753 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,519 he finds the secret meeting where they're planning at all. 754 00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,320 You know, it's that kind of thing. It's like your 755 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,800 paranoid seventies nightmare. Is just a line of business for Israel, 756 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,880 a very important line of business for Israel. 757 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: Right, great, yeah, yeah, but you also let's not Yeah, 758 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,039 here's what I like to say. Okay, it's easy to 759 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,639 blame everything on the Jews. Let's blame everything on them 760 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:40,079 because you know there are Jews in very key positions, right, 761 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,559 but they don't make this money unless people buy this 762 00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:47,440 stuff from them. Absolutely, it's always they can't do what 763 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:52,800 they do alone. Yep. You know they kicked out of 764 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,880 one hundred and nine countries. Well guess what they were in. 765 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,559 They were invited into almost every single one of those 766 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,119 countries is by somebody who was thinking to benefit They 767 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,519 were going to benefit from having them there. 768 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 2: Right, let's not forget the people, well, et cetera. 769 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,559 Speaker 1: Right, let's let's not forget the Let's not forget this 770 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,840 because you know it's very easy. But if they go away, 771 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,119 if that goes away, these people are going to look 772 00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,519 for somebody else to do it. They may even set 773 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:26,599 it up if they go away. That's a vacuum that's 774 00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:30,079 been that's been created that they that somebody will step 775 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:33,559 in and fill and it'll just be another group. And 776 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,920 it's just I mean, this is this is a lot 777 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,960 bigger when you really think about this, This is a 778 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,599 whole lot bigger than just this one group of people 779 00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,920 who yeah, you know they. 780 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, the reason to have the emphasis you're saying is that, 781 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,760 you know, because of the history you've been delving into 782 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,880 on your channel, we might uh not want to put 783 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:05,599 our chips on you know, a big change in behavior 784 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,199 on the part of Israel and Israelis and so forth. 785 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,440 Right that there's a certain consistency. I think you've been 786 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,159 pointing this out. There's a certain consistency over centuries. Right, 787 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,519 So this is the you know, definition of insanity. Right, Well, 788 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,000 we'll just change them, we'll fix them. Okay, Well, there's 789 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,559 another way to come at it, And I think that's 790 00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,119 what you're pointing to that is probably a healthier, more 791 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:33,039 sane thing to do. How about we fix ourselves because 792 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,400 they're just going to be how they are, But we 793 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,480 don't have to be the other side of these these 794 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:42,679 wicked transactions with you know, stuff they've developed on in Gaza, 795 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,480 on human victims. Right, we could tell our governments we 796 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:49,239 don't want you to buy that stuff and use it 797 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,320 on us. Don't do that, right. 798 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,519 Speaker 1: They can't occupy us without collaborators. 799 00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:01,559 Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And we're probably better off focusing on 800 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,920 the collaborators that are like our own people, right then 801 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,639 thinking that we're going to like turn them around and 802 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,039 have them suddenly act differently than they have for two 803 00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:10,599 thousand years. 804 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,280 Speaker 1: You're not going to change You're not going to change them. 805 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,400 Especially if you think that this is metaphysical, you're not 806 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,039 going to change you know, if you think this is 807 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,039 a spiritual war, you're not going to change them. The 808 00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,000 only way you're going to change them is through conversion. 809 00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 2: I'm not saying we can pray for that, but yeah, 810 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,559 you don't want to make your plans for tomorrow. 811 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,559 Speaker 1: Based on that, right, correct? 812 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,039 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think you said that said this peep 813 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:36,840 of One of the things I did want to bring 814 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,519 home is something that's bothered me online because I post 815 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,960 a lot of stuff about Israel and Gaza and so forth. 816 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,440 And one of the responses that has gotten under my 817 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,159 skin a little is when people say, hey, look man, 818 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,480 it's just two sand people fighting over there. What's this 819 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,239 got to do with me? Well, I would say the 820 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,440 show today is one way to answer that question. Here, 821 00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,320 it's got a lot to do with you. And act 822 00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,960 turns out it's affecting your life. It's affecting how you 823 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,440 are being treated in your society in the West. 824 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: Right. You you want to live a life, you you 825 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,360 have an expectation of privacy in your own home. Yeah, 826 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,960 And this is a this is a country who is 827 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,039 developing tech. These are people who are developing technology to 828 00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:27,800 make sure that doesn't happen. 829 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 830 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,119 Speaker 1: And and American our companies or American companies or companies 831 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,280 that I mean, who knows if they're American anymore? Can 832 00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,719 a corporation really be considered to be American when you're public? 833 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440 That's you know, when you're on the stock exchange or 834 00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:52,880 yeah at or use bonds and go stormy and I 835 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,280 need to do a long, deep dive into that. But yeah, 836 00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,679 the this is a whole we really need to start looking. 837 00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:07,079 I mean, if we're not going to change them, then 838 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,199 we have to concentrate on changing what we have here. 839 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,360 And if we can't change what we have here, okay, 840 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:15,800 what we do? 841 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:21,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's what I got, Thanks Pete. 842 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I no, please channel I use. 843 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,639 Speaker 2: My name is Stephen Carson. I'm not in a on. 844 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,159 I put my name on my channel name on there 845 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,639 just as marketing. My channel name's Radical Liberation. I have 846 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,719 been doing a series on the US Israel relationship. There's 847 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,559 a little bit more to it than I've even mentioned. 848 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,360 Oh I know, here's another one to mention target Russia. 849 00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,239 I talked about how one hundred years ago Jacob Schiff, 850 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,880 an important banker in the early late nineteenth thirly twentieth century, 851 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,880 worked with other bankers to get Japan money so that 852 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,119 it could keep going in a war against Russia because 853 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,239 all the way back then they were targeting Russia. So 854 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,440 I thought that was really interesting. There's more about that. 855 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,519 Speaker 1: There's more to it than that too, because on you know, 856 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,440 our two hundred Years Together series, while Russia is bogged 857 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,079 down in this war against Japan and they're being funded 858 00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,280 by the West and being funded by Jewish by Jewish 859 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:26,400 millionaires all over the world, Jewish revolutionaries are rising up 860 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,079 in Russia to overthrow the Czar. 861 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 862 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the one of the reasons why people 863 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,360 will look and say Russia lost the Russo Japanese War, Well, 864 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,639 they had to pull their troops back home because they 865 00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:44,440 had a freaking revolution had just had just started. So 866 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:51,280 and the revolution was led by overwhelmingly Jewish thought leaders 867 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,360 and so. 868 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, it's I've been I've been saying on 869 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,559 Twitter peat this rabbit hole doesn't seem to have any bottom, 870 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,480 but I think you know that more than me. 871 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,079 Speaker 1: So yeah. Well, well, former former president I h I 872 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:09,400 appreciate you coming on today. 873 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much. 874 00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for ad Let take care