Speaker 1: And another headline, another flats, another christ is moving fast.
Speaker 2: They sell it like it's breaking through.
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Speaker 3: Faces, different sides, same old scriptive running line. You scroll
it down, you feel the way like you've.
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new name, different fire, same flame. You can feel it
what it is like it's already being written.
Speaker 6: It say, isn't hwy I saw on the screen.
Speaker 2: It's a bad in between.
Speaker 5: You don't need.
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Speaker 3: They divided throw the lines.
Speaker 2: Keep you locked in real time.
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same man's side, the man, same story, your name, different fires,
same flame. You can feel it when it ats, like
it's already been written. This isn't kayos on the screen.
It's applied in between, and you don't need them to explain.
Speaker 6: You can see stuff, same story, no name, They don't
know how.
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Speaker 5: Proven you will never meant to trace the line.
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Speaker 3: Now you're feeling in your ball pos every single every
sky I saw on the screen.
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rounds with some of my friends shows. This is a
subject that I recently covered on my other channel, The
Prometheus Report. Just recently, Joe Rogan teamed up with Donald
Trump and they're trying to pass some legislation to get
hallucin agenics FDA approved for various treatments. So this is
kind of the subject of today. So this gentleman, I'd
like to welcome to the show for the first time,
hopefully the first of many, to talk about his book
and some of his research that pertains to this mister
Seth Kickleker and I like to hit the share screen.
We'll bring him up here. Let's see split screen?
Speaker 4: Is that it?
Speaker 2: That? Is it?
Speaker 4: Hey? Welcome Seth.
Speaker 2: How are you doing brother, Yello, I'm max chilling brother.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 4: Doing good?
Speaker 9: Doing good actually got me some new Tennessee apparel. So
I was like, I'm gonna go really bright today.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let my life sharp.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: You're a very colorful man. I can appreciate that I've
toned it down, but I wanted to represent the bald
sexy of bald people out there because I'm you know,
I'm one of them now.
Speaker 9: So I was about to say, you got a beautiful Maine.
What are you saying bald for? Is that like a matrix?
Speaker 2: It's a it's a weave. It's not real. No, it's
it's it's it's my it's it's I was born with it, actually,
But got to represent the Baldi's out there, ironically, so
I guess trying to be goofy.
Speaker 9: Don't worry about it now that you're good brother, Hey,
I love a smart guy with a good sense of humor.
Those are rare to find a man. For those maybe
that haven't caught you on some of the other shows
that I had mentioned earlier, are not familiar with you,
what you do and this awesome book that we're about
to dive into to today, just go ahead and introduce
yourself to the audience.
Speaker 4: Give everybody a feel of who you are what you do. Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my name is Seth kick Glider. I am a
goofy young man who wrote a very insane, somewhat I
would say, very original book, Spirit Realm, Shenanigans and Unhinged,
exposing the psychic fabrications of discarnate dweeds and definitely Nitwitz,
which you know if you can't tell by the title,
is a very chaotic and comedy infused real nonfiction booked
with case studies and theories and a lot of I'm
connecting lore from all different sorts of areas I cover.
What we're going to cover today is not so much
the drug trip stuff. We will cover some of that
near the end, which is very important the DMT lockout aspect,
but it's mostly going to be about astyl travel and
testimonies from you know, Robert Monroe and his three books
and other sources like Kurt Leland's. So that's what my
meat of the work is from. Is actual travel, reincarnation memories,
SSP memories, remote viewing, psychic information, channeled information, spirit releasement, therapy,
holistic healing methods, cross examined. I'm cross examining all these
sources of what I believe are basically elaborate demonic deceptions.
And you know, we'll get into the main theory in
a minute, but I should say my social media is found.
If you want to see me go crazy wild on
the Internet, go to my ex account which is Seth Lahem,
which might be a username on here, I don't know,
but it's Bethlehem with a Seth and Sethlehem underscore on
Instagram if you want to see my wacky music photography
as well, and my link tree is in my bio
on those accounts, on both of them, and in that
link tree you'll find everything I got. My book you
can buy on Amazon, on payhip through me directly. You
can buy you can get my audiobook which is free
fully on YouTube and Spotify, and it is thirty four hours.
I'm sorry. And then we have the all my podcast
appearances are linked there, my contact you know, whatever you
want to find, So go to my social media to
find all that and my YouTube account and all that stuff.
Speaker 9: Well nice man, Well, yeah, I'm definitely interested in this
topic because I've not really covered you know, astral projection
in the astral realm. Cauld see my big trailer park
redneck but thinks of even the DMT, like taking the
hallucinogenics and things like that. You're kind of going to
this setne same realm, So obviously I'm mistaken. So I
want you to educate me and the listeners today. But
I guess just starting off easing in toes in to
the water to test it here. I guess how did
you stumble upon? You know, this subject? What made you
want to write a book about this?
Speaker 2: Well, I was brainwashed and retarded for many years, DOC,
and I was definitely getting into the I had this
out of body experience in between the sleep state, which
was very validating that I had a soul, which for
a long time I denied. When I was raised Christian
and then went to be an agnostic atheist, kind of
angry at the world, kind of dummy for a couple
of years in my youth and after my early twenties,
like I think twenty one or twenty two, I had
this out of body thing that was very short lived,
but I could see myself and I was floating and
it felt so real, and I was like, oh, shoot,
I guess I guess I was wrong about a lot
of things. I should probably figure this out. So I
dive into pursuing it ashell travel. I was like reading
the Monroe Trilogy, current Leland's otherwhere, these other sources of
manual Swedenborg's and these are all things I'm gonna be
talking about today, and I got really into it. And
I wasn't going deep into realms dealing with gods so
much as I was floating around what they call real
time zone quote unquote, which is just the real world overlay,
like you're a ghost floating around to different buildings. And
I was doing a lot of that, and I had
a lot of demonic harassment along the way, thinking, oh,
I just got to raise my vibration and I'll attract
the good stuff and that's what they tell you, or
they say that like demons are Actually they'll either say
they're real and they're lower asterentities, but they're non biblical demons,
or they'll say their thought forms created by your own
manifestations of fear, which is basically, oh, you expect it
and you fear it, so you're projecting it from your
subconscious and that's what the bad encounters are. And it's
literally the most propaganda thing you've ever heard in your life.
But I pursued it, and I had some things that
didn't add up. And one story i'll shorten here real
quick is I was telling my roommate that, hey, one day,
I'm gonna float down in your room and I'm gonna
spook you with my ghost body because I'm gonna try to,
you know, astral project to you. And even if you're
asked for preteena around people, they don't always really sense you.
But there's people that say you can do it and
it's a little bit more elaborate. So I was thinking,
one day, I'll do that. So I go down and
I'm floating around to his room one day and I
finally get the control to like do it well, early
in and I see him playing video games in his
room and he's I don't know what it was. It
was something like some RuneScape looking stuff, and I could
see the details of the game on the screen. I
could see him perfectly. There was nothing about it that
seemed weird, right, And I'm trying to mess with him,
and I'm going, you know, no, homo, but I'm going
in and out of his body, floating through him and
you know, seeing if he can sense me because I'm
trying to. And I'm giggling. I'm astral giggling through this
whole process, and I'm thinking he's gonna he's gonna notice this.
This is hilarious. And I was just trying to mess
with him. And then I end up going back to
my room upstairs and going to my body, and then
I walk downstairs to see I'm gonna be like, hey,
did you did you notice anything weird? Just now? You
got any ecdoplasma on you, bro? You know that was
my goal here. And I opened his door and blam, oh,
he's not even been home. He wasn't home, and I
saw him as if it was perfectly there, and I said,
that's weird. That doesn't make any sense. And then I
did some research and they said, yeah, it's a thought form.
You just wanted to see him. Your desire and your
belief that he was there created a projection. But everything
else in the room was perfect. And I'm thinking to myself, now,
that's retarded, and that sounds like a lie and it
doesn't make any sense because I saw it perfectly. These
details on the imagination, Well, that's what they want you
to think. And I said, well, then how can I
trust anything I see if that's how it. But everything
else was real looking, you know, the house and everything.
So I was like, this doesn't make any sense. So
I end up not immediately coming to the conclusions that
I come to, which I'll get into in a second,
but that was like my first Okay, this doesn't make
any sense. I need to figure it this out. And
it took me a while to come to the conclusions
I did, which the I guess short explanation of my
overall theory of my book is that I focus today
on astrial travel, and I'm talking about that a lot,
but it's what it filters into after that. But actual travel,
the astral realms people go to, and we're gonna listen
to test or I'm gonna read testimonies excerpts from these
books so that people understand the layers of what I'm
talking about. If I just talk shit and I start
just saying what I believe, I'm not gonna convince nobody
of nothing. But if I read the excerpts and sources
of these people, I can convince a lot of people
of what's going on here because that's and it's going
to be more entertaining as well. So my whole theory
is that actual travel the realms people are going to
are fake. They're basically lucid dreams you could call, controlled
by demonic entities. And if they're not demons and their
guides like they claim to be, which is what the
New Ages and Nasis would say, these are the people.
They are getting their cosmology from channel sources, but also
astral travel sources, which align with channel sources. This is
where they get their cosmology from is from astral experiences,
and that's where a lot of the reincarnation lower comes
from from seeing it themsel elves quote unquote in the
astral realm where they see the whole cycle take place.
So there's a lot basically I'm saying they control it,
not just not just you know really well, No, I'm
saying it's perfect masterful. I want to use the word
god like regretfully, so control because that's the level people
need to understand. And when I say control, I don't
just mean the visuals of what they're saying, but also
they guide your intuition. They can put thoughts in your head,
just like they can when we're in the waking world,
but they can control your perception, your intuition, your lucidity
can be controlled to I'm sure you can kind of
counteract a little bit with your own you know mind,
but for the most part, you are a puppet if
you are doing divination and going out of your body,
which God tells you not to do for a reason.
So yeah, it's all basically set up as these lucid
dreams to convince you you're going to real places and
these locations if they're not real, they're just elaborate theatrics
to convince you of a cosmology that doesn't exist. Which
is the most biblical sounding thing I've ever heard, is
a mass deception from demons through these various means. And
if this is true, they can control remote viewing so
easily because that's just download knowledge impressions with a little
bit of visuals and other senses, but way less immersive
and way less impressive of control than the astral travel stuff.
So I like to make that point that people take
that stuff literally or real or as good data. And yeah,
they'll give us good data sometimes that's true, but that's
to make us believe the stuff that we can't verify
with evidence later, such as the astral realp stuff. Am
I making sense so far? Brother?
Speaker 9: Now you I'm sitting there track and all that stuff.
But like I said, I've heard thirty thousand foot view stuff,
you know, from people in passing. So I'm really interested
to take the deep.
Speaker 4: Dive with you.
Speaker 9: So and that's another thing too, just from what little
bit I've heard you talk about some of this stuff. Uh,
it's almost like the matrix. That's kind of why I
made that thumbnail.
Speaker 4: Art work the way I did you know that.
Speaker 2: I love it?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, dreams.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, uh so this is literally these demons are
the architects so to speak.
Speaker 4: Yes, of the matrix they.
Speaker 2: Are, they are architecting. I mean, the thing is, it's
not a real matrix in the way that they want
you to think. It's not the gnostic story that they
want you to think. They're giving you this astro realm
cosmology to convince you of exactly that prison planet thing. Now,
they'll give new ages a more love and light type
of version of it, and then they'll give the darker
people who they can read your mind. They're going to
cater to you what you're more likely to accept, and
then they'll give the more dark stuff, the more prison
planet darker side of it. Same reincarnation coin. Uh, they'll
give that to people who are who think they're smarter,
but I would say they're still equally deceived. But it's
it's the same thing. Uh, they're giving you this and
they're here's the thing. They're going through elaborate storylines and
characters and interactions to make you think it's a literal
place and literal thing because you're an asset. Now if
especially these authors, you're coming back and you're sharing it
with the world, and if you're an author and you're
writing a book about it, like Monroe did and became
the most popular sol of the astral Traveler in the world,
and sort of the Monroe Institute, which is this Harry
Potter School for psychic abilities, you know, wizard stuff. He's
most lunched out there, so he's getting more experiences than
most people that are more elaborate. But they are. They're
just going through these means to convince you of lies
which don't exist. And the whole takeaway is that they
control it perfectly, and they cycle that into all psychic
derived information and it can and it also affects dreams,
not dreams, but all of them, your death experiences. Same
logic here, drug prips where you're going out of body
DMT we'll talk about later. It's all a unified tool
of deception that filters into every trance state, out of
body experience or vision quest or whatever you want to
call it. It's all one tool. And this is me
trying to show it in a very admitted light by
these beings where you're going, oh, well, they're admitting they
can do this. So this means we have to at
least look at the potential that everything else is fake.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 9: Mm hmm. And I said the same thing kind of
with the whole file and angel stuff. It's the same
story we see you know, throughout the world, throughout history,
but the names have changed or they rebranch grip how
they look. So yeah, it's like like you said, they
present themselves to or in a way that the person
they are trying to you know, talk to will accept
and believe. So and it's also star people and you
know all down the line now it's aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's also strategically smart for them to muddy the
waters with all sorts of different beliefs and all these
different things instead of creating one counter idea, especially because
then Christianity would be it would you know, like they
created all these religions besides Christianity to water it down
and make it seem like nothing like one in a
big barrel of belief systems as opposed to getting getting
one counter belief system that's coherent in all ways, which
most of them are reincarnation based and you know a
lie and none of them are you know, have the
biblical afterlife and narrative of Jesus. But they spread it out,
They spread themselves thin because people will gravitate towards whatever
makes sense to them at the moment. They're not going
to cross reference all these belief systems. It's just not
it's not feasible for most people. So that's why I
think it's smarter for them to muddy the waters with
all these sorts of different characters and names and cultural Italians.
So that's a factor to keep in mind. But let
me know when you're ready and we'll hop into this stuff. Man.
Speaker 9: Oh I'm ready, go right ahead. And what's cool though,
is like I've been really nerdily studying the Dragon Court
for my book that I'm working on now, and it's
kind of slipped into the divine feminine stuff that Steven's
always talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh he loves talking about it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And so even that's kind of overlaid in there,
you know, with the Scythians, and they did ancestor worship,
you know, and tried to contact this other world.
Speaker 4: So I'm even seeing some of this.
Speaker 2: Stuff to be ancestors. Keep in mind. Yeah, so it's demons,
you know what I'm saying. So it's all the same
you know thing ultimately, But they're spreading themselves thin with
these characters. Is my point. But yeah, man, it's it's crazy.
I'm basically gonna be doing here a reading of various
excerpts from in my book, I do eighty pages on
the actional traveler, I believe, and about twenty each is
dedicated to each book. And I'm covering Monroe's three Out
of Body books, which is the most popular in the
world and most influential. And Kurt Leland's other ware, who
is a Monroe Institute contributor, and he was trained at
the monro Institute, and he's a big time out of
body traveler. He's just less popular and less well known.
But his book has a lot of insights that most
do not share, which I think is very revealing and
matches up with my theories. So I'm going to start
with the heavy stuff, like the more directed missions of control,
and I'm gonna read the second one is going to
be like the longest, so bear with me, but it's
gonna be I'm trying to do these in an order
that has a whole flow with it and the idea
is presented. So I'll just Robert Monroe. I'm gonna call
him Bob. Though he's very famous, he's dead. I'm gonna
jump into this, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: I doing some searching over here. I wanted to try
pull some visual references while you were talking.
Speaker 2: Oh do your thing man, Yeah, okay. So I'm gonna
be reading starting with Monroe's second book. This is something
he talks about one time in one paragraph in the
entirety of his three books, and never again, which is uh,
I think says a lot. So he's talking about his
guides that are teaching him stuff, and he says, verbatim,
a favorite and quick learn forever method of theirs with simulation.
It was based on their ability to create in place
into a human consciousness mine or an Earth type situation
so real and so overwhelming that I could not tell
reality from illusion. I do not know that limits of
such simulation talent or technology, nor do I know the
extent to which they employed a technique. It may only
be in my particular case, but I doubt it. The
potentials of its application in other ways begs for broad speculation.
In my own pattern, it was usually applied as an
instant cleanup of minor emotional patterns that blocked or distorted
my clarity of perception or my stability. Usually I was
unaware of such dysfunction. They would They would note it
and offer to take care of the problem. I would
be informed that the lesson was about to take place
with my consent, Yet once in the simulation, it became
absolutely and totally real, and I lived it. If I
did not come up with a desired action, the simulation
would be repeated until I did. Even in the repetition,
I could not break through the reality of the simulation.
Yet once the training sequence was completed, I then knew
what it was for. Suppose questions about motives seemed irrelevant,
or perhaps I didn't want to endanger the good thing
I had going for me. Okay, so there's a lot
of things there that he not only just admits that
they have the complete admitted ability to fabricate false simulations
that are so real he forgets he's in a simulation
which is again affecting his lucidity, which we'll talk more
about later. He is admitting that this could be used
in more in more instances, and he's just not aware,
but he doesn't want to question it because he doesn't
want to endanger his forbidden knowledge access and his good
thing he's got going for him. So that's a pretty
flat and gross admission of their power. And you're gonna
see how ridiculous. It gets in the next story. But uh,
are you tracking so far? My dude?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, which I just pulled up his website. I
got it over here on the share screens for everybody.
It's pretty wild. There's an eye catching website for sure.
So it's showing I guess going into the eye there
and traveling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally a real place guys go do it.
So anyway, that's admitting already that they have this ability.
Now is it all fake? That's not what they're saying.
That's what I'm saying based on what we're gonna read
further and analysis, because they are obviously doing very theatrical
things here for what purpose. It seems weird if they're
giving him true information about true realms to go through
these theatrics seems kind of unnecessary. But we'll get there.
So now I'm gonna be reading from Kurt Leland's other
ware book, and he is going to talk about this
simulation realm more directly and more. Because Monroe doesn't share
any details. He just says that, which is crazy, never
to talk about it again because he knows how it
will come off. Probably, But Leland is talking about this
in detail, and he says he is going into an
astral escape room. The guides he has wants to put
him in this astral simulation and tell him, hey, you
got to figure out how to escape, and you're not
gonna leave till you figure it out, which is a
little scary, but whatever. And they put him in this,
you know, so sixteen hundred and fifteen hundred type year
Italy area, he believes, and it's a castle. He's in
this castle, and there's all this Renaissance type furniture and
atmosphere around him, and he is saying, he says, I
look down at the drawing table where I found a
complex perspective study of a cathedral drawn in ink on
a piece of parchment. The sketches in the style of
the Renaissance. Could this be a past life one in
once id, one into which I'd been an artist or
architectural draftsman. So this man is told he's going into
a simulation, and once he's in it, he immediately thinks,
I wonder if this is a past life memory, which
is stupid for many reasons. One, you know, you don't
have autonomy in a memory like he's doing. You're just
reliving it and two it. They just told him he's
going into a simulation, but his lucidity is instantly dimmed
and affected, making him dumber. And we'll talk about that
after this story. Why that's really important what's going on there?
But so, yeah, that's what happens, and then he says,
as instructed, I looked for clues. A quick scan showed
me that there was no door. Perhaps it was concealed
like a trapdoor. After all, I seemed to be a
prisoner of sorts. So it's not a copy and paste
of a real like building, because otherwise there would be
a door. So this is again showing there it's all
all simulation, it's all controlled, and it's not technology, it's consciousness.
But you know, we'll get into that later.
Speaker 9: So what was the name of that movie with Leonardo
DiCaprio back in the day, exception, Yes, he had the
spin on top. That's how you could tell if he
was in the dream.
Speaker 2: It's stupid, but yeah, that's that's essentially it. And well
i'll reference that a bit later or actually pretty soon
here because there's some parallels for sure with the whole
going inside one to another aspect. But we'll get there
so this guy's in this place. He thinks he's living
in a past life. Then he's like, wait, no, that's
not it. And now he says I look down at
the drawing table again. The architectural rendering was gone. In
its place, I found a piece of typing paper turned
sideways on. It was a child's crayon drawing of a
landscape a bright a bright blue sky with a smile
sun and puffy white clouds, green grass, and a poorly
drawn cow grazing by a metal gate. Before I had
a chance to ask myself what such a drawing was
doing in the Renaissance, however, I found myself inside it
a real life figure projected into a cartoon. A wind
of colors flew by the sunset, and the crest moonlighting
on its side, rose up. The moon had a big
nose and was wearing a nightcap. A music box began
to play Beautiful Dreamer, and the moon started to sing
along in the voice of Frank Sinatra. A courus, a
course line of five pointed stars whirled and jigg between verses,
occasionally chiming in. The brown cow never moved, however, it
seemed it remained frozen mid shoe grass dangling from its mouth,
faintly pathetic. The sun and moon seemed to be attached
to a revolving wheel that kept spinning faster and faster.
Day alternated with night. Yeah, exactly, day alternated with nights
so rapidly that they blurred together, flickering like a strobe light.
And then, just as suddenly as I'd been whisked into
the child's drawing, I was outside again, seated at the
drawing table. The architectural rendering had reappeared. So taking a break,
because that's that's the level of like cartoon buffoonery control
we're talking about. Now. They're not doing this in all
the ast realms because they wanted to seem realistic, but
they're doing it in this admitted simulation. Uh, mostly to
mess with him, I think. And we'll get some more
of that in a minute. Well actually they kind of
revealed why, but I'll get that.
Speaker 9: Which it reminded me of that song back in the day,
Credence Clearwater Revival, you know looking out my back door.
Speaker 4: You remember that one.
Speaker 9: You know, Ambernes and Elephants are playing in the band
talking about this crazy shit.
Speaker 2: If you sing the whole song, I might remember, but no,
if you want to serenade, but you're welcome to.
Speaker 9: I tend to do that from time to time, but
I'll spare you.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh. Anyway, So it gets it gets crazier. This
this is the longest one. Like I said, it's not done.
He so he again forgets why he's there. His lucidity's dropping.
He's he's forgetting what's what to do? And then he
remembers again. And I think this is them just implanting thoughts, controlling,
as we said it, because they tend to do that
throughout this entire process. But then he says, the study vanished,
and I found myself wandering through a desert with the
clarity of logic that startled me mind control stuff going on.
I resolved to seek out the witches and warlocks who
must have been responsible for this bizarre chain of scenery.
Even though he knows they just put him in a simulation.
He's forgetting, so he says, perhaps they could tell me
how to escape this reality in which I've been imprisoned.
I walked and walked. The desert remained featureless as it
had been when I first arrived. I was lost, but
that didn't stop me. I kept on walking anyway. Suddenly
my perspective shifted. I seemed to be seeing myself from
far away.
Speaker 4: With a thank you. Froze up.
Speaker 2: But I would be trapped in this barren reality wherever
and whatever it was. What's up?
Speaker 4: Oh, for a second though, on mining it anyway? You
locked up? I thought, I lost you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're good, You're good. I'm finishing this quote.
It says forever, I'd be lost in this beer in reality, wherever,
whatever it was, forever without transition. I found myself back
in the architect's study. So now he's on this planet
where he's a giant man, bigger than the planet and
revolving it with its own gravitational field and everything. Like,
the physics of this stuff is very dream like, and
it can be, like I said, expertly controlled, even in
a way that doesn't line up with our physics. So
if that's possible, keep in mind the rest of this,
what we're gonna read is totally potentially fabricated. So and
they're admitting they have this power, so keep that in mind.
This is not a theory. This is them saying, no,
we have this ability. And then he again forgets why
he's there, and then this concealed door opens up, and
then this lady walks in and she is basically one
of the guides, coming as a woman into this dream realm,
and she says to him, let me ask you something.
The instructor said, where on earth are you able to
walk through a crayon drawing while the sun smiles at
you in the moon and stars singing? Your study contains
bits and pieces from every historic period from the last
five hundred years. We threw in everything but the kitchen
sing to get you to realize this was a dream,
and we finally had to put that into All you
had to do. All you had to do was realize
the utter impossibility of everything you were perceiving and tell
yourself you must be dreaming. So they're saying, hey, all
you had to do was figure out your dreaming and
you would escape.
Speaker 9: You should be a lucid dreamer. When I was a
kid man, and that's how I would pull myself out
of the dream, I could control everything, and then when
it would get so crazy, you know, or scary, I
would tell myself, oh, this is a dream. This is
a dream, wake up, And I could wake myself up.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it gets crazier because they I want to
make a point that not at this part of the book,
but another part. They tell him the most important thing
you can do on Earth in your time on planet
Earth is practice lucid dreaming and out of body travel
because and one for one, they say you can go
from a lucid dream to asshole travel instantly, which might
say a little bit about the nature of it, by
the way, But two they say that because whenever you
die and you're you don't want to get caught in
the reincarnation loop. You need to know how to navigate
the astral realm. You need to know how to navigate
other dimensions after you escape this reincarnation loop, which they
have different views on. So you need to be good
and I don't understand the astro realm, so if you
die you don't have it figured out, you're gonna get stuck.
And that's why they say you have to do this.
They don't talk about moral progression and getting becoming a
better person. They say, no, the most important thing you
can do is go to the astral realm, which is
totally real, which is kind of crazy and Additionally, what
was the other point I wanted to make this whole
dream thing. Yeah, so they're saying that was the whole
test is figure out you're dreaming. But here's where it
gets weird. You know how I said, they were messing
with his lucidity, and he he kept getting dumber and
then forgetting what's happening, and then they would plant thoughts
in his head to go somewhere else. So why this
is important is they don't have lucidity problems in the
regular astral realms like they do in these simulations. So
then that would lead you to believe, oh, well, obviously
I'm not in a simulation because my lucidity is fine,
which technically they mess with that at other times too,
but for the most part it's unaffected. So I think
they are strategically choosing to dim down their lucidity in
these simulations exclusively because it makes it seem like a
separate whole world as opposed to the real quote unquote
astro realm. I think they can always control it, and
there's patterns of this in other areas, but because they're
doing it so aggressively in these simulations, they are they're
basically covering their asses because they're revealing a lot when
they reveal this power they have when they didn't really
have to do that, but they're trying to. They're trying
to program certain mentalities and belief systems in these people
and using these simulations to do it, and saying, hey,
this is the most important thing you can do. Focus
on this, keep going out of body, keep merging with us.
So I think the lucidity dimming timing is very important here.
I don't know if that makes sense or not.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I was just looking too like on their
little website, like their courses.
Speaker 4: I'll bring it up real fast.
Speaker 9: This is crazy and it kind of goes like stuff
I talk about too like And actually that book I'm
reading that Nicholas Daver Dragon Legacy, talks about how the
New Age and all this stuff that they try to
teach them is just a money racket because only the people,
in his opinion, only people with the Dragon bloodline can
achieve you know, these you know experiences and things like
that that's in the blood. But like right here, they
got all these different programs eight to twelve weeks for
six hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Now that's cheap. Compared to some of these others.
Speaker 9: Five days gateway voyage eleven hundred to almost three thousand dollars.
It seems it's a very lucrative business because only the
rich people can afford to travel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I did a di way poor
person version and I did just fine. But if I
went to that wizard school, I probably would have had
some even crazier experiences. But I am very lucky the
Lord pulled me out of that before I got too
deep in, because that is a dangerous rabbit hole to
be uh projecting into literally, So yeah, man, it it
gets crazier from there. But those are other two sources
of some of the top astril travelers, the number one
and like you know, another big one admitting this is
totally what their power is, and they admit the guides
who are maybe demons, totally admit to this ability. So
people I've never heard, I've never heard anybody talk about
those testimonies and about this astral simulation thing except maybe
glossed over in regression memory access lore a little bit,
but not in like a totally fabricated sequencing. I think
Carla Turner maybe talked about it a little bit but
not in the way that I am with the astral
realm and being a fabrication. So I just find it
interesting that I'm the first to present this idea cohesively
at least, which is kind of crazy because it's kind
of in your face, like I'm kind of shocked. But
there's more, a lot more. So we're going to get
into Monroe's concept of wrote, which is r ote and
a wrote to him is his word for a download,
you know, where like a knowledge packet and instant metaphysical
transfer of information. You know, they telepathically communicate in the
astral but instead of going back and forth like we're talking,
they can just say, here, take this, and then you
instantly get a download of tons of complex information instantly
where you fully understand it. And yeah, the details might
fade in your memory pretty fast, but overall you'll understand
a complex topic instantly because they download it into you.
Which a lot of experiencers of all kinds of demonic harassment, abductions,
out of body travelers, they all talk about downloads all
the time, and on all our famous movies and music,
a lot of it. The authors and writers said it
came to be in a down load. I just woke
up and it came out. You know, it's a that's
a download, so it's coming from spirits. So any astral
entity can apparently share a download with any other astral entity,
except the Astral Travelers, they don't seem to be able
to do this, which is interesting just the entities you
meet which are not human, So not only can it
be a download of information, but sometimes if they want
it to, it can be a whole simulation, which is
what we're about to talk about Bob. As at one
point in the Astral meeting, this entity who goes by
his name that he has translated to English is z
Dash fifty five slash Lou Lou, which is a dumb, fake,
made up alien name. And this is an alien from
another planet, maybe another dimension. But he's he's a dead
soul from another planet and he's traveling to Earth to
find a new home to reincarnate on in a new realm.
So he's from another realm. He's a spirit, but he's
an alien, and he he's trying to tell Bob how
he died on his home planet and how he got here,
so instead of just telling him, which he could pretty
fit quickly he gives them a rote, and in this rote,
it's a download, but it's also he's immersed instantly, instantly
shifted to another area, and it's a simulation. So he's
on this home planet of this guy now, but instead
of reliving the memory, he's actually got autonomy and he's
moving around in his own body. Now. It's not clear
what body he's in. He doesn't say, but he blends
in with everybody else there, and he says they're humanoid,
but they're not human. They look like human and they
have you know, cities that look like an Earth, but
it's different, you know, it's close. So he's walking around,
having some awkward interactions with some people, but interacting with people.
And then he is getting harassed by some military type
looking for identification and they're speaking, you know, they're communicating.
I don't know what language. Maybe it's English, that would
be funny. But and then he ends up. All this
stuff that's happening doesn't matter, because out of nowhere, some
tsunami comes in and just drowns and kills everybody violently.
And he has a violent death that he experiences that
feels realer than anything. And then he comes out of
it and he's back with that other character and he's like, oh, shoot,
like that was crazy, and you like, see that's how
I died. Yeah, you couldn't just say I died in
the tsunami. I had to trauma dump on you and
literally like h traumatize you and give you PTSD from
this freaking fake death. But it feels real and it
feels immersive, and it's like, do you.
Speaker 9: Think that it's like a type thing that they do,
Like they just kind of do that to build rapport
with the people, to get them to trust them, and.
Speaker 2: This I think it's to make it seem more realistic
and add legitimacy to it. Yeah. I think it's like, oh,
I can't just believe what I'm told because the whole
point of the astral deception is so that you can
experience the truth for yourself, which instead of just spirits
telling you like they do in Channel or Since they
have this ability, they might as well use it to
to convince you by making you experience it and make
it make you think it's your idea. You came to
these conclusions on your own, U. That's what a lot
of this mass awakening in the Conspiracy realm is a
lot of it's true information, but the powers that be
are allowing algorithm for a lot of conspiracies to get
out there so that you fall into the gnostic kind
of side, which a lot of conspiracies lead to narcissism.
The ultimate one leads to Jesus. Yes, I know, but
a lot of these conspiracies are dropped intentionally, like this
time travel blooney and this and certain Oh they're hiding
ashle travel from us. We have the documents from the
CIA and now we can actional travel, and they've been
hiding it. You know. That's they're like, oh, you caught us,
You caught us. We totally were keeping it from you.
But really it's to initiate you into these secret society
occult ritual divination stuff, which is becoming more popular every day.
So it's the same logic they need to make you
think it was your idea. And that's where the manipulation this.
You know, the Bible says there's a great deception coming,
not a weak as animpressive one. It's going to be
great and elaborate, and this ability is the main conduit
I think in the information realm for it. So I
hope that makes sense at least, all right, bet Well,
staying on that topic, moving to the inception thing. Where
to talking about earlier because this is very relevant. I
call this one rote sception, and it's the idea of
I'm not gonna explain the entire story because it's super
convoluted and crazy and we don't got time for that.
But the short version is Bob is in the Astral
in book two and meets these Astral spirits from another
another planet, alien spirits, and they're on an astral tour
bus to Earth, taking a literal tour over the galaxy
on a bus with a tour guide and everything. It's
super corny and stupid sounding.
Speaker 4: Nice and they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, literally, it's like that in the Astral it's crazy,
and these spirits are on a tour, and essentially Bob
is talking to this character he names b B and
that's the alien spirit he names am BB, which is
annoying and I hate to use it, but whatever, and
his BB's friend is called AA, which sorry, it's annoying,
but those are their names. So, oh my gosh, it
might be that would be a crazy reveal. Actually no,
but so Bb is talking to Bob and telling him
what he lost his friend AA, because AA saw Earth
and wanted to go incarnate there because it looked fun.
And he's talking about Earth like it's a roller coaster ride.
And since there's no time to them and incarnation can
happen and they can come right out like it's a ride,
so because there's no time, so it's kind of lucy
goosey with that. And BB is telling him what happened,
and instead of just telling him, he gives Bob a rote.
So Bob is now reliving BB's memories, but instead of
having autonomy, he's reliving the memory, so he doesn't have
control in it. So he has no control and he's
just living it out, and he's going through the going
through the waves and showing how BB is having this
interaction with his friend, and his friend goes and lives
on Earth for a whole life and then comes out
like it's a ride. And then AA is sharing a
rote with BB, who is now in the perception of Bob.
And then now Bob is in BB's character going inside
this other rote, living out AA's Earth human life, and
it's going one into the other. Now that's the story.
They're telling, but it's not really going one deeper into
the next. It's actually just switching simulations to a new simulation.
It's just switching. Now they want you to believe it's
going one into another Russian Doll style like it could
be infinite, because technically it could at that point to
kind of expand this whole consciousness. We're all connected. Everything's
infinite concept which comes into other flavors in other areas.
So I think that's important to note. It's not going deeper,
it's just switching to a new simulation. But they're so
good at conveying this transition that you can't tell the difference.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 9: That asked this question, I thought it was worth asking you.
Speaker 4: Let me throw it up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Daniel says, are these souls trapped in the ancient A?
I guess astral or did they go there of their
own free will?
Speaker 2: The souls he's encountering, I guess he's saying. Yeah. Yeah.
My answer to that is none of them are real.
They're all demons masking. Now, are these characters each one
played by a different demon? It may be, but it
doesn't have to be. It could all just be a
simulation where they're sock puppeting them from one source, one
demon doing it controlling all of them.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Either, I think that's what's happening, but it could be
a demon playing each character. But the whole area, the
whole realm, the whole space is fake. It's a lucid dream.
It is fabricated. And you'll see the level of control
in more situation later if that cartoon one wasn't enough.
But they're not. They're not they're not real entities. They're
not who they say they are. They're just playing masking
as characters to give you an idea of a non
biblical cosmology. That's all it is. It's a vision. It's
a false vision. And we'll get into the Bible and
how it backs this concept up at the end of
this whole presentation. So I hope that answers your question.
It makes sense.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just that's what the He wrought that up there,
and I'm like, that's a pretty good question.
Speaker 4: I'll throw that up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, a lot of new and nastis. Yeah, no,
you're good. A lot of people listening to this if
they're not a Christian, uh, and a lot of here's
the thing. A lot of Christians believe we're not supposed
to go out of body because God says not to,
which is true. But they also believe this place is real,
and they think that these places are real. Now these
places are real, that the Bible's wrong. I'm just letting
you know they can't coexist, but they don't a lot
of Christians don't do research into what these places share
and the information they do, and how they shit on
Christianity constantly as a concept and no other religion really,
which is crazy. It's just Christianity the target, just like
in Channelore. So it's important to know if these are real,
Christianity is wrong. So I'm not just saying they're fake
because it validates my belief system. I used to believe
in this, I used to do it, and I came
to Christianity because I found out it was all fake.
That's what's happening here with me.