WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.960 Hey, what is happening and what is up? Hold out 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:08.720 your glass because we are about to build it up. Hey, guys, 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.919 welcome to the Prometheus Lens podcast, the place where the 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:17.000 conversations are always in lightning. We're gonna continue our journey 5 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:21.160 through season one and man, this was a fun one 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:23.960 just to go back and listen to. And this is 7 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:25.760 kind of where I got my start and was getting 8 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:30.480 my legs underneath me. And Derek was one of those guys. 9 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:33.759 Man. I loved his work. 10 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:37.280 I followed him for years, and Derek was always so 11 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:39.560 cool because I mean a lot of people don't realize 12 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.960 I was deep diving and reading this stuff and going 13 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.280 into these subjects all the way back to like twenty twelve. 14 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:50.359 I was just late to podcasting to get to talking. 15 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.840 About these things. But Derek was always that really cool guy. 16 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:55.960 I'd always reach out. 17 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.560 On social media or email without fail. Derek would always 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.079 reach out and me and him talk back and forth 19 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:06.560 for a few years. So when I started the podcast, 20 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.840 you know, we didn't know anybody, but I told the guys, 21 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:14.400 I'm like, Hey, Derek Gilbert. I wouldn't say we're BFFs, man, 22 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.879 but we know each other. We talk a lot. We've 23 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:20.040 talked for years. I'm sure he would love to come 24 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:23.000 on the show, and I reached out and Derek was 25 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:24.879 more than willing to come on the show and talk 26 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:28.280 to us. So he was really like our first big 27 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.439 name guest. So I was kind of in my fan 28 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:35.200 boy moment there sitting down and exchanging ideas with this 29 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.319 man and picking his brain. So this is just a 30 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.879 really great conversation. I know you guys are going to 31 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:46.439 enjoy it, but yeah, guys, just sit back, relax, and 32 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:52.760 enjoy the journey. 33 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.680 We should read our Bibles as men dig for bury treasure. 34 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.319 One of the most high game with the nations their inheritance. 35 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.439 When He divided mankind, he fixed. 36 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:12.280 The borders of people's according to the number of the 37 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.080 sons of God. 38 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.919 In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites 39 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:18.919 lived down to the earth, for whenever the sons of 40 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.879 God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children 41 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.800 who became the heroes and famous warriors. 42 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:25.240 Of ancient tides. 43 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.479 Take no part in the fruitless deeds of darkness, but 44 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.919 yet expose that though a thousand fall at your side, 45 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.240 though ten thousand are dying around you. 46 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.039 These eaters will not touching. 47 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:46.199 Lives of garden man, you gotta dig it. Hell, oh, 48 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:50.560 fellow treasure hunters, welcome to the excavation side. I'mjustin alongside 49 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.199 and when we got Ben, Stephen and Chad will be 50 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.159 your guides on this excursion. Hope you brought your shovel 51 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:57.360 in your compass because we. 52 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:58.879 Got the map. Let's do. 53 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.199 What's going on on my local guys and gals and 54 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:07.479 long distance pals. 55 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.159 We're back. What's going on? 56 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.039 Nothing really new here. 57 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.400 I'm working, working our life away. 58 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.360 That's pretty much what it goes through. 59 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:18.800 Yeah, that's it. 60 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.000 And I hurried you get things done? Yeah, well files here. 61 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.039 Thank goodness, man, it feel so good today. 62 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.479 I've been wearing jackets already. 63 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:27.000 I hate this. 64 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.840 I'd much rather be warm. 65 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:32.400 We're stealing T shirts. 66 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.199 Yeah we got we got our yankee that moved down 67 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.919 south and now. 68 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:38.120 He's afraid of the cold. 69 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:40.960 True story. 70 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:42.520 Oh god. 71 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:48.199 Well, we got a pretty exciting episode today. We got 72 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:51.520 another guest with us talking about their books and stuff. 73 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.319 But before we dive right in, I guess we'll open 74 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.520 up with some prayer. Heavenly Father, thank you for this day. 75 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.680 We thank you for the many blessings. It's you've given us. 76 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:05.120 We thank you for our guest today taking time out 77 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.680 of his busy schedule to sit with us and talk 78 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:08.120 to us. 79 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:09.039 And dig through your word. 80 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.000 We just pray for discernment, and we pray that some 81 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.319 secrets are revealed unto us today, Father, and we get 82 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:21.639 a better understanding of your word. And hope this message 83 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:23.439 reaches whoever it needs to. 84 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.399 Father. It's in your hands. Amen. Amen. 85 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:33.360 Well today very excited. One of my favorite authors is here. 86 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:34.519 Now. 87 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.000 This is an introduction because knowledge. He's author, researcher, podcaster 88 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.959 and TV host. He's written books The Day the Earth 89 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:47.600 Stands Still, The Great Inception, Bad Mood Rising, Last Clash 90 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:52.040 of the Titans, of Veneration, Giants, Gods and Dragons, and 91 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:56.120 his latest, The Second Coming of Saturn. He's the host 92 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:01.279 of SkyWatch TV five and ten Sie Friday Unraveling Revelation 93 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:06.600 with his wife. He's also a podcaster with Gilbert House Fellowship, 94 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.639 A View from the Bunker with Iron and Myth, and 95 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.639 even does tours in Israel. This guy watch TV and 96 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.959 even done one with Michael Heiser a few years back. 97 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.879 That's busy, yeah, busy man. 98 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.279 How does he find the time. That's the question. 99 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.839 Today we have with this Derek Gilbert. How you doing, Derek, that's. 100 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.480 An honor to be here. I'm doing great. Thank you. 101 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:28.639 Did I miss anything? 102 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.600 I don't think So you made sign a lot more 103 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:32.600 important than I know. 104 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.120 You're very important, very important. Man. 105 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.600 You're doing God's work getting a lot of people turned 106 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.879 back to that supernatural view. That the same way when 107 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.639 we talk about the simple Second Temple Jewish period, the 108 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:50.839 way that things were viewed back then, that really bring 109 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.879 the Bible to life so that we truly get everything 110 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:54.800 out of it. And that's what you're doing, and that's 111 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.399 to me, that's that's what it's all about. 112 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.839 Well, you know, amen, I mean this just started for 113 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.759 Sharing and me back when we discovered Mike Kaiser and 114 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.959 we were led to him as we were researching material 115 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.120 for novels that we were trying to write. Sharon, of course, 116 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.639 has been She's had a supernatural worldview since she was 117 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.720 a little girl. Me I had a star Trek worldview 118 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.759 until after we met. I think even though I called 119 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.439 myself a Christian. You can ask her about this sometime. 120 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.519 We had discussions early in our marriage about whether or 121 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.720 not Darwinian evolution was consistent with the Book of Genesis. 122 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:33.680 So thankfully the Lord is patient and the Holy Spirit 123 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:35.519 kind of whacked me on the side of the head 124 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.000 with the board. And once I began reading apologetics and 125 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.079 understanding that, say, wait a minute, if the eyewitness testimony 126 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:49.160 to the resurrection is compelling, then why aren't you accepting 127 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:56.279 Jesus testimony of the Old Testament and the events therein Like, hmm, okay, 128 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.199 maybe I need to rethink my worldview a little bit. 129 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.399 And so that began the journey. So these last twenty 130 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.399 five years have been an interesting journey, and finding Mike 131 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.759 Heiser's work back around two thousand and four was an 132 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.680 integral part of that. So he is you know, he 133 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.120 likes to joking to call himself Gandalf, you know, coming 134 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:20.879 to Middle Earth and defensing his wisdom, and in a 135 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.800 way he's right. So we're just you know, I guess 136 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:29.040 that makes me Froto or something. I'm not sure. Maybe 137 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:34.399 I'm radagas the Brown, you know. But you know, Mike 138 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:40.680 is an actual scholar, and Sharon is genuinely brilliant. I've 139 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.199 got pretty good reading comprehension, but you know, they're smarter 140 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.439 than I. Am. I'm just happy that the Lord has 141 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.160 found a way to take this weird wiring inside my 142 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.399 head and use it. Because when I find a problem 143 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.040 that I like to research or something I'm interested in, 144 00:07:55.360 --> 00:08:02.040 Sharon says, You're like a pit bull on crack, and so, yeah, yeah, 145 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.360 it's I'm the kid that would come home from school 146 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.839 every day in the first grade, Hey, mom, guess what, 147 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.240 and you know, just repeat to her everything I'd learned 148 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:12.879 all day and she'd just stand there at the sink 149 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.839 train to wash dishes and go. But God bless her 150 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.959 mom put up with all of that. She instilled delved 151 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.839 reading in me. My dad instilled the love of solving problems, 152 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.560 and now here we are, you know, six even into 153 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.399 my seventh decade and finally doing something really productive, I 154 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:36.240 think for with eternal eternal consequences. 155 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:36.919 Amen. 156 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.039 And that was the one thing I was gonna ask you, 157 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:44.679 was you know you, Michael Heizer and Tray Smith were 158 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.720 three major influences on me. 159 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:47.879 And that's how I. 160 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.519 First discovered you, was do a Tray Smith video, and 161 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.320 then I found your book, you know, the Last Clash 162 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.440 of the Titans, and then after that I just had 163 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.000 to buy every single one of them. But I was 164 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.759 going to ask you, you know, like me, it was 165 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.639 unseen realm? Was my you know, I guess the matrix 166 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.120 red blue peel. I took the red peel to see 167 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.960 how far the rabbit hole went. You know, I was 168 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.360 going to ask you, you know, what was your I 169 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:12.519 guess red peel? 170 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.279 Event would that? Would it be the Unseen Realm? Also? 171 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.519 Well it would have been if Mike had written it then, 172 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.480 because we we actually have been following Mike since he 173 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.120 began the process of writing the book. The original title 174 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:31.320 was The Myth That Is True, And I guess the 175 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:34.000 publisher decided that the use of the word myth in 176 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.679 there might give the wrong impression to Christians, okay, because 177 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.440 a myth is something that's, you know, a made up story. 178 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.279 It's a fairy tale. So we can't use that in 179 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.039 the title. But we saw some of the working drafts 180 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:50.919 of that. We began interviewing Mike for our podcast PID Radio. 181 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.519 I think we just found the first interview. We saved 182 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.360 all those audio archives, almost all, I think ninety nine percent. 183 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.159 I think we found the first interview with Mike from 184 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:00.960 either the fall of two two thousand and five or 185 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.960 spring of two thousand and six something like that, and 186 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:08.440 just made it available on our mobile app. But it 187 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:13.879 was actually a book that was published online by Peter 188 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.720 good Game called Against World Powers, and that's where we 189 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:21.679 saw the first reference to Mike. And this was at 190 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:26.240 his website, Redmoon Rising dot com. Peter had written a 191 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.799 book on what he called the Red Moon Rapture, which 192 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:34.279 is sort of like a modified pre Wrath. References to 193 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.679 Mike and also to doctor David Roll was sort of 194 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.840 a maverick egyptologist, led me down a research path and 195 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.519 suddenly things began to make more sense, like, wait a minute, 196 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.639 the Tower of Babbel was real, and we've got archaeological 197 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.679 evidence that suggest that the Samerians have a poem that 198 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:55.120 talks about the rebuilding of this temple above a place 199 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.120 called the Abyss and it was to be and it 200 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.320 even mentions the confusion and languages and wait, there's these 201 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.240 these gods are real, Sharon, did you know any of this? 202 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.759 And so that kind of led to a whole furious 203 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:14.120 period of research, and as we were trying to use 204 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.440 our podcast to market the series of novels that we 205 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:21.279 were trying to write back then, which lasted one episode, Okay, 206 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:22.759 we told people to buy our books. Now what do 207 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.159 we do? Okay? You know, we make programs telling people 208 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.720 about the stuff that inspires what we do. Okay. And 209 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.000 that led to interviewing people like Mike Kaiser and La 210 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.120 mar Zouli and so on and so on, which led 211 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.519 to Tom Horn and you know, fifteen years later we're 212 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:49.720 in the Ozarks working with Tom. Anyway, this was kind 213 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.480 of an eye opening thing because I was raised, like 214 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.759 most Christians here in America that taught that the gods 215 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.639 of the Pagans around ancient Israel were their imaginary friends. Yeah, 216 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.600 you know, that the Idols were just you know, blocks 217 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.320 of wood and stone, and oh, they were just too 218 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.960 primitive to know that they weren't real, ignoring the fact 219 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.480 that the Egyptians and the Romans and the Greeks and 220 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.559 the Hittites and the Sumerians had these amazing civilizations where 221 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.519 they were able to build these these massive structures. 222 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.519 That we can't even recreate, you know. 223 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:27.679 Yeah, yeah, you know, we've just recently discovered within the 224 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.879 last couple of years that the Amorites, the Amorites who 225 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:37.960 founded Babylon around the time of Abraham, had discovered trigonometry. Okay, 226 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:42.039 so these were not stupid people. They weren't sacrificing things 227 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.440 that were precious and dear to them, not just their livestock, 228 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.759 but their children in many cases, because they were too 229 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.120 primitive to understand these gods they worshiped weren't real. No, 230 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.480 they were doing it because they were getting something out 231 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.440 of the transaction. So to find somebody who was a 232 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.080 credentialed scholar making this case and saying and oh, yeah, 233 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.120 by the way, that explains why this this, this had 234 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.080 happened in the Bible, and why Jesus did this here 235 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.919 at Cesarea Philippi. Oh, suddenly things began to open. And 236 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.679 of course that was another eye opening moment when I 237 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.320 heard an interview with the doctor Jed Burton on the 238 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.279 Old Future Quake podcast talking about Cesarea Philippie the Grotto 239 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.039 of Pan and why he went there To ask Peter, 240 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.480 who do you say that I am. It's because that's 241 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.039 where the gates of Hell were and the rock in 242 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.240 which you build the church is that nine thousand foot 243 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:40.600 mountain right behind him where the god Ell lived with Like, Okay, 244 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.279 suddenly that all made sense. And now we've just been 245 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:48.080 taking the since coming to work for Tom Horn and 246 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:53.720 being blessed to earn our livings. Now by doing this 247 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:58.519 kind of research and writing, we have the time to 248 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.559 dig into the academic re search by mainly secular researchers 249 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.240 and just pull out all of this information that these 250 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.399 scholars know. They just don't have a biblical framework to 251 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:13.440 process it. And that's what's resulted in the books that 252 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.600 we've been blessed to publish through Defender Publishing these last 253 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:17.159 seven years. 254 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.559 That's amazing because stuff like that, I mean, you know, 255 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:23.559 like the old saying I've always heard people say, you know, 256 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:26.320 find a job you love, You'll never work another day 257 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:26.879 in your life. 258 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:27.879 Amen. 259 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.320 Yeah, and you also have all the radio background too, 260 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.240 so I mean, you know, God is lining these dominoes 261 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.919 up for you, and we're glad he did. 262 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.200 Well, you know, and I think all of us have 263 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.080 that experience. You get to a point in your life 264 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.799 and you think back and it'say, okay. At the time, 265 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.720 this seemed like a really awful thing, the worst thing ever. 266 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.200 But now I can see why He allowed me to 267 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:57.440 go through this. Yeah, was preparation training, agreed, one hundred percent. 268 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.639 I think that, you know, I look back at a 269 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.120 lot of time. I'm throughout my life what I wish 270 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.840 I would have done something different. I wish I could 271 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:04.559 take something back. But you wouldn't be the person you 272 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.080 are today if you had had those experiences. So at 273 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.720 the same time, I wouldn't be sitting in this chair 274 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.639 right here, talking to you right now if I hadn't 275 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.879 had those life experiences. That God, you know, he doesn't 276 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.679 make bad things happen, but he takes all the bad 277 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:20.440 things and allows something good to come out of them. 278 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:25.200 And our human experience with regret and pain and sorrow 279 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.799 remorse that shapes us into who we are. And the 280 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.200 fact that we know that we've only got a limited lifespan. Yeah, 281 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.600 I mentioned seventh decade. Okay, I turned sixty this year, 282 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.399 and I'm not, you know, morbid about this at all, 283 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.200 but you know, I recognize now I've got fewer spins 284 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.440 around the sun ahead of me than I've got behind me. 285 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.200 That just instills a sense of urgency because there's more 286 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.000 to do and I have to get busy about it. 287 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.120 You know. Other people, Okay, maybe they feel like, you know, 288 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.480 I've earned my rest. Fine, whatever God calls you do 289 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.600 that that's fine. Feeling is the opposite. While I've got 290 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:05.759 energy and strength, I've got things information that I want 291 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:10.399 to communicate. And because He's instilled in me this desire, 292 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.080 you know, inside the sixty year old body is still 293 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:14.840 this one year. You know this, this six year old 294 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.399 kid saying, Hey, guess what, Guess what, and wanting to 295 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:23.080 share that because of the joy and the excitement at 296 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.000 finding these these bits of gold. I love the intro 297 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.000 to your show because it's exactly right, there's the nuggets 298 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.799 of gold in his word. Yes, And because of apologetics 299 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.519 and the work of learned men and women over the 300 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.039 last two thousand years who's devoted their lives to the 301 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.559 study of his word, we can know that. We know that, 302 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.720 we know that this word has been accurately transcribed and 303 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:52.000 preserved for us, unlike every other faith out there, with 304 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.759 the exception of our Jewish brothers and sisters. You know, 305 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.840 I'm sorry, you know, God bless Muslims. But there was 306 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.639 no one else in the cave with Muhammad to corroborate 307 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.960 what he supposedly heard from the angel Jabriel. Nobody to 308 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.079 corroborate the teachings of the Buddha, et cetera, et cetera. 309 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.839 Et cetera. But Paul and one Corinthians fifteen makes a 310 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:17.599 point of writing to the church at Corinth. Hey, Look, 311 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:23.319 resurrection is the central, the single most important fact about 312 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.559 this doctrine. If Jesus isn't raised, then we're all still 313 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:28.799 in our sins. We're all doomed. In other words, and 314 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.119 here's the good news. The risen Christ that is first 315 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.119 appeared to Peter, and then to James, and then to 316 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.240 the rest of the twelve, and then to five hundred others. 317 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.839 Most of them are still alive. So you don't believe me, 318 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.640 go ask around. Send someone to Jerusalem and ask around, 319 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.039 because there are still witnesses walking the streets today. There 320 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.119 were witnesses and my dad, who was an engineer by 321 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.039 training for his entire life, this is what convinced him. 322 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.119 I'm sure of it. In fact, I know it is 323 00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:59.759 because we talked about it a couple of weeks before 324 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.599 he asked. The only reason Christianity survived past the end 325 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.480 of the first century, despite the persecution of the Roman 326 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.279 Empire and the Sanhedron, was that there were too many 327 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.599 people who'd seen the risen Christ. Too many people knew 328 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.720 what had really happened. For them to kill the faith. 329 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:16.839 Amen. 330 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.839 Yeah, nobody's going to die for something they just made up. 331 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:24.119 Exactly. So a lot of people will die for what 332 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.279 they think is true, but if they know it's a lie, 333 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:27.960 yeah they're not. 334 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.559 Yeah, they're the blades to the throats. 335 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.000 You're going to cracky, all right, we made it all up? 336 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:33.720 Yeah? Yeah. 337 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.599 I like how Ben said, we've done an episode on 338 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.480 Jesus and we talking about you know how atheists you know, be. 339 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:41.880 Like, well, he's Jesus. 340 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.279 Looked back at the Torah, so it was easy for 341 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.079 him to checklist all those things off to tell people 342 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.880 he was the Messiah and then being was like so 343 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:52.720 what when he was on the cross, he was just 344 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:54.160 He's like, I made this far. 345 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:55.799 Guys, don't break nothing. 346 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.200 Don't break up, you'll miss it all up. 347 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:01.160 And he was there to arrange the city he was 348 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.640 born in it right, Yeah. 349 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.000 Yes, exactly. Well, I guess. 350 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.559 Diving into some of your your books and your work, 351 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:12.279 if you guys don't mind. 352 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:13.279 Yeah, they're going to jump right in. 353 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.160 My favorite last class of the Titans. 354 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.160 Loved that book. And but I was always a big. 355 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.440 History nerd, you know what I mean, So, like you know, 356 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:25.400 in school when we were reading about the you know, 357 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:29.519 the the pantheon of Greece, you know, and Zeus and 358 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.559 all the other gods, the demi gods, you know, and 359 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.000 even when we got to Egypt, you know, the same 360 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:41.039 you know, structure, and how you correlated all that with 361 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.039 a biblical view. That just that really opened the can 362 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.000 of worms. And like you said, it really got me 363 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.920 diving in with this new set of glasses on seeing 364 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:52.279 it all. 365 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.000 And then it was just like, oh, it's here, it's here, 366 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:55.440 it's everywhere, you know. 367 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.880 But I love how it's the whole Deuteronomy thirty two, 368 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.759 Genesis six worldview. And we've kind of touched on that 369 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:07.039 with our listeners, but if you could just you know, 370 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.519 give us basically, I guess, just like your overall view 371 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:16.119 of that book and how you connected the other gods 372 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.640 of the nations with the whole you know, Deuteronomy thirty 373 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:20.799 two Fallen Angels worldview. 374 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.839 Well, it's pretty easy to do because that was the 375 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:28.000 view of the Jews of Jesus Day and the early Church. 376 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.559 They understood that the fallen angels, that they're the gods 377 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.440 of their pagan neighbors, were real, but that they were 378 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:40.920 fallen angels. So you know, it is surprising to us 379 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:45.400 today because again, we in America, we in the Western world, 380 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:50.599 since the Enlightenment, have this default belief that if it 381 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:56.000 doesn't fit with a scientific worldview, or really scientistic is 382 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:01.240 more accurate, then it can't possibly be real. Our friend 383 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:06.799 Guy Malone, who's the guy behind the famous Ancient of 384 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.799 Days Bible UFO conferences in Roswell, said, look, the price 385 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:12.920 of admission to our club is believing that a Jewish 386 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.839 carpenter rose himself from the dead two thousand years ago. 387 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:18.759 Why is it that we try to make everything else 388 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:23.599 make more sense after that? I mean, and why is 389 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.519 it that we believe ourselves so much smarter than the 390 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:32.640 early Church theologians. So when you look at Jesus, who 391 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.880 literally in Matthew twelve when he was confronted by the 392 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.720 scribes and Pharisees and said, you're casting out demons by 393 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.640 the power of Beel's a bull, which means bail the Prince, 394 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.440 Jesus said, if Satan cast out demons by his own power, 395 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.880 how will those kingdom stand? So? Okay, bail equals Satan? 396 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.440 All right, Now, wait a minute, Christians, we're willing to 397 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.279 acknowledge Satan is real. Why are we saying, and Jesus said, 398 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:02.839 Satan bail? What? Why do we didn't try to allegorize this? Okay, well, 399 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.680 it's just a type of bail, he's it's a metaphor, 400 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.759 it's a symbol. It can't be real because they don't exist. 401 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.839