Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you come on in. Let's have a
Speaker 2: chair and talk. I'm still climbing pyramids right now, so
Speaker 2: this is pre recorded. I'm in Guatemala at this stage.
Speaker 2: I'm probably in Elmador, hoping to meet Richard Hanson. Remember,
Speaker 2: doctor Richard Hanson's the archaeologist in charge of the excavation
Speaker 2: of Elmador in the Elmador Basin. If he's not there,
Speaker 2: I guess we have free reign to climb the Ldonta Complex. Now,
Speaker 2: those are some of the largest pyramids in the world.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I've seen pictures of these pyramids, but
Speaker 2: I don't know which ones are the ones that are
Speaker 2: excavated and consolidated to a fashion that we can actually
Speaker 2: climb them. But I'm really excited about it. I have
Speaker 2: purchased a special strap for my backpack that allows my
Speaker 2: camera to sit right up above my shoulder and I
Speaker 2: can climb comfortably without holding on to a camera. So
Speaker 2: I can climb these pyramids, and I'm going to try to.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna climb them, and I'm going to film them
Speaker 2: so you get a sense of just how big these
Speaker 2: pyramids are I've seen, Like I said, I've seen pictures
Speaker 2: in their monsters. They're huge. They're the largest pyramids in
Speaker 2: the Americas. And I'm like, and I'm bringing really rudimentary
Speaker 2: EMF electromagnetic frequency testing equipment because I don't want to
Speaker 2: drag a bunch of heavy stuff. I don't have really
Speaker 2: sophisticated equipment. I use an iPhone that has an MF
Speaker 2: scanner on it so I can tell what's buzzing and
Speaker 2: what's not. But this is gonna be exciting for me.
Speaker 2: Like I said before, it's like one of the pieces
Speaker 2: I wanted to go forever. And why I haven't gone sooner,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably because Lydia and her husband Arturo
Speaker 2: not only invited me, but I decided to bring a
Speaker 2: bunch of people with me too. We'll have like twenty
Speaker 2: people with us. And the beauty of this tour is
Speaker 2: that we are walking among the pyramids, walking among the temples,
Speaker 2: working with shaman. You can't do that in Mexico. You
Speaker 2: just cannot do that in Mexico. It's really a shame.
Speaker 2: And whenever I'm in Yucatan, Mexico, I'm like, I'm saddened
Speaker 2: because the local Mayan community, isn't a law allowed to
Speaker 2: interact with the pyramids. They can freely walk among the
Speaker 2: tourists that are there, and you'll see them selling their
Speaker 2: goods and wares in and out of the archaeological parks there.
Speaker 2: But you know, luckily, there's only a handful of these ruins,
Speaker 2: these cities that are accessible for the general public, which
Speaker 2: means that there's a far greater number that are available
Speaker 2: to the local Maya community, and that allows them to
Speaker 2: climb among them. But they're not consolidated, they're not excavated,
Speaker 2: and they can be dangerous. So anyhow, I promise to
Speaker 2: get back with all kinds of fun stuff to listen,
Speaker 2: to see and to contemplate what is up with these buildings.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: My whole feeling, and I say this on Earth Ancients,
Speaker 2: is that there needs to be a new body of
Speaker 2: research in the same way that archaeo astronomy was added
Speaker 2: to archaeology about twenty years ago, maybe a little longer.
Speaker 2: I think there needs to be a field of tolluric
Speaker 2: energy scan or tolluric study where a course is taught
Speaker 2: on understanding geomagnetic anomalies. And we know throughout Mexico. There's
Speaker 2: just countless geological anomalies. They're gravitational. Some of these sculptures
Speaker 2: that are well known have been found to have magnetic
Speaker 2: properties to them. And it's not a casual sculpturing sculpting
Speaker 2: that's going on. They actually choose stones that have have
Speaker 2: been are magnetized or they have certain properties in them
Speaker 2: that are anomalists that are very strong. We just don't
Speaker 2: know how they were used. But we need to find
Speaker 2: this out because many times the pyramids are built over
Speaker 2: these fields, these energy fields, and we know from certain
Speaker 2: elders that they were purposely placed over these anomalists energy features.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, more to come, stay tuned for that. Today's
Speaker 2: program is on plant Power, and what this means is
Speaker 2: that my guest today is providing a reference guide in
Speaker 2: this book, actually the books called plant Power and recommending
Speaker 2: that people consider eating more plant based products like mushrooms, herbs,
Speaker 2: and even flowers as a healing remedy and also to
Speaker 2: balance the body. And you know, for years I would
Speaker 2: see people eating flowers. I'm here in northern California, so
Speaker 2: people eat eating flowers. But it's funny because you see
Speaker 2: them eating certain kinds of flowers, and some of them
Speaker 2: are actually tasty. And I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: had a lettuce salad that had flower buds and leaves
Speaker 2: on them as a addition, but they're very, very tasty
Speaker 2: and they're very very good for you. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: learn why we should be eating more flowers, more plant
Speaker 2: based products, and we're gonna get a sense with this
Speaker 2: reference guide just what's in our backyard. Because you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily have to go to the store to buy these things.
Speaker 2: Some of this material that's featured in this reference guide
Speaker 2: is available in your backyard. So today's program is Plant Power,
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Speaker 2: book recently. It's called Plant Power, Fill Yourself with Medicinal mushrooms, roots,
Speaker 2: flowers and herbs, and it is quite unique because it
Speaker 2: discusses not only the American diet, which is terrible, but
Speaker 2: medicinal plants that are really good for wellness. My guest
Speaker 2: today is Walter by Dan Dyke, and he is coming
Speaker 2: to us from Amsterdam, am And this book came out
Speaker 2: a few months ago and it's a perfect fit for
Speaker 2: Destiny because not only does it identify wellness secrets, but
Speaker 2: many of the remedies are really easy to come around with.
Speaker 2: So Walter, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 1: How you doing man, Thank you so much, Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Cliff, and you pronounce my name very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I practiced. I practiced. Talk about this book. You
Speaker 2: and your brother your put it together. And you guys
Speaker 2: traveled the planet for like for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I guess right, Yeah, I traveled yeah, a little bit
Speaker 1: in my life for sure, for twenty years. I'm now
Speaker 1: forty seventy years old, and yeah, as a child, actually
Speaker 1: my parents always took We had a house in Amsterdam
Speaker 1: where we lived in the city during the week and
Speaker 1: in the weekends and in all the holidays we always
Speaker 1: went to the Belgium or Dence, you know, the it's
Speaker 1: a it's a mountainous area near Luxembourg, the border of
Speaker 1: Luxembourg and in Belgium actually about three three and a
Speaker 1: half hours drive from Amsterdam. Every Friday we went there.
Speaker 1: So we grew up in the forest, in the middle
Speaker 1: of the wilderness. And yeah, our own vegetable garden and
Speaker 1: fruit trees in the in the weekends and fires and
Speaker 1: you know, and my parents always give us just like
Speaker 1: a pocket knife and a book of matches and and
Speaker 1: kick under our ass and govern the forest. And at
Speaker 1: six o'clock my father flew it on his fingers like
Speaker 1: and then we had to come up from the valley
Speaker 1: and eat. And then in Amsterdam it was just city live,
Speaker 1: you know, cultural life. And but then later I started
Speaker 1: to travel a bit because my friends and my school
Speaker 1: always or sometimes went to Indonesia and all these far
Speaker 1: destinations that I thought, wow, I wanted to see that
Speaker 1: also with my own eyes so far, you know, we
Speaker 1: never went so far once to the Lake of Uneca
Speaker 1: that's in France, like eight hours drive life and wanted
Speaker 1: to And that was it basically in my youth and
Speaker 1: this fascination of traveling. My grandfather he was a actually
Speaker 1: general practitioner and uh and a skin doctor and from
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties onwards, he actually already went to India
Speaker 1: before all the hippies went there to learn to meditate
Speaker 1: and to learn to uh yeah, empty his mind and
Speaker 1: it's working.
Speaker 2: You're kiddingly. Your grandfather was a futurist. I guess he
Speaker 2: to learn how to meditate. That's very advanced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he learned learned how to meditate and uh that Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pretty advanced in that time. People always have
Speaker 1: been meditating, you know, but it was pretty somehow advanced.
Speaker 1: I just walked upstairs because my neighbors started to drill
Speaker 1: the wall, so I took little little other spent where
Speaker 1: it's more quiet.
Speaker 2: So Walter, one of the things I failed to mention
Speaker 2: is that you are an anthropology specializing in ethnobotany and pharmacology.
Speaker 2: What was the Dutch education like because here in the
Speaker 2: United States anthropology is unique. But to capture ethnobotany as
Speaker 2: well as pharmacology, that's a unique study.
Speaker 1: How does this in the Netlands? That study you mean, well,
Speaker 1: I mean in the pharmacognosy is a study of two
Speaker 1: thousand year pharmacy knowledge, you know, like what molecules are
Speaker 1: in in which plant parts day can be found, how
Speaker 1: to extract them? What is the does it? How much
Speaker 1: do you take to make it the beneficial like functional
Speaker 1: medicinal quality that you want to achieve, and everything about
Speaker 1: the medicinal qualities of plants and the clinical use of it,
Speaker 1: like provable molecular stuff like natural espirines that you can
Speaker 1: prove like the same like an espiring you buying in
Speaker 1: the pharmacy or something. And uh, that study in the
Speaker 1: Netlands is actually how do you say? My wife just
Speaker 1: comes it's much better in English. I'm also pretty good
Speaker 1: in English. But it was actually very bizarre. A neighbors
Speaker 1: drilling the wall, I say, I don't hear.
Speaker 2: I don't hear the drillians. So you're good to go.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. You just continue to normally they stood
Speaker 1: this this in the universities when you study pharmacy, when
Speaker 1: you study medicine or something, there's this study always in it.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you have to learn is
Speaker 1: farm more cognitcy. But it's not subsidized anymore by the
Speaker 1: government because in the netlus studies are not so expensive.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll pay like two and a half thousands
Speaker 1: or three thousand dollars a year and the rest is
Speaker 1: paid by the government. For everybody, no matter how old
Speaker 1: you are, or from which kind of family are, or
Speaker 1: from which kind of background or whatever you are. Everybody
Speaker 1: have the same right to get subsidized or university studies,
Speaker 1: you know. But they took away the money for that
Speaker 1: part department in all the universities almost so it's now
Speaker 1: on a sort of uh they say, I said did
Speaker 1: in the comm the com the Complementary and Alternative medicine
Speaker 1: in Utet in the city in the Netherlands, and it's
Speaker 1: only found instic it's just gold. It's very sad because
Speaker 1: for me it's one of the most important parts of
Speaker 1: pharmacy because also my uncle he's a pharmacist, and so
Speaker 1: one of the brother of my father, and I think
Speaker 1: it's very important. You know, I come from this sort
Speaker 1: of family. But I'm myself an anthropologist. I'm a musiologist,
Speaker 1: anthropologist and no botanist and specialized in the use of
Speaker 1: medicinal or ritual plans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about yours because yours is a a
Speaker 2: chef and he is contributing to the book as well.
Speaker 2: So you guys wrote.
Speaker 1: We made it together. I wrote the book. I'm the
Speaker 1: writer of the book, and I brought yours. He's a
Speaker 1: Michelin star chef with two Mission Air stars, and he
Speaker 1: developed the recipes. He has a restaurant next to the
Speaker 1: Rags Museum that's like the National Gallery or the Loover
Speaker 1: from from the Netlands, Amsterdam. There he has a restaurant
Speaker 1: and he makes recipes all the time, of course because
Speaker 1: he's a professional cook. And he developed the recipes sixty
Speaker 1: recipes for my book. And we talk also in the
Speaker 1: book you read us about our youths and how we
Speaker 1: developed as human beings or something. But yours, yeah, he
Speaker 1: developed the reason I wrote the book. I gave all
Speaker 1: the information about the history and the background of the
Speaker 1: plants that you the qualities, the properties, the medicinal provable
Speaker 1: qualities of the plants and uh right, also in the
Speaker 1: book about anteogens like plants and merchants that make you
Speaker 1: experience that define within and also in your surroundings. You know,
Speaker 1: like ancient sacraments like Amanita Muscari I'm assumed, the flyer Garrick,
Speaker 1: the Kannabis planned, the Paoti coctus Loophoria Williams and Latin,
Speaker 1: the Wachuma coctus, the ebogas Eboga from Africa, all these
Speaker 1: sacraments that put in all the states of consciousness. I
Speaker 1: also write about it in the book for those yours
Speaker 1: didn't develop the recipe, they're actually just descriptions and personal
Speaker 1: experiences and like also very important plans.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, this is what I'm
Speaker 2: curious about, is it. It looks like in your travels,
Speaker 2: your your travels and your brother's travels, you detected that
Speaker 2: there's some dietary deficiencies, and not only the American diet,
Speaker 2: but perhaps the European diet. And this is critically important
Speaker 2: to address because we're having immune problems, we're having gut
Speaker 2: flora problems, and a lot of people have information they
Speaker 2: don't know about it. So so was it your goal
Speaker 2: to write a book that addresses the physiology of the
Speaker 2: human being? And then and the and the see not the.
Speaker 1: Only goal, but it's one of the goals a bit.
Speaker 1: As you rightly described that, I'm just somebody that's curious
Speaker 1: and take things and reads books and talks to people.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, basically. And I was always curious about
Speaker 1: the use of medicinal plans and actually became very strong
Speaker 1: when I had a certain there's a certain back injury
Speaker 1: that got cured. We can really talk about it. The
Speaker 1: remind me of it. That was inturbal ninanos and I
Speaker 1: got it's important to tell I have to tell this
Speaker 1: story otherwise you don't know me. But uh so I got.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm also a levitator, a magician. I learned an art
Speaker 1: in India called Indian magic Jaddu, and there I learned
Speaker 1: to some skills to perform sort of miracles. And I
Speaker 1: did the levitation stunt for a Dutch insurance company. I
Speaker 1: also did brand activations for certain rends. They like my
Speaker 1: sort of capacities as a performer, and I levitated twelve
Speaker 1: meters high that's like thirty six feet high on a
Speaker 1: square and Alsam called the sto inspired by Marguerite that's
Speaker 1: a surreal painter from Belgium and Mary Poppins the babysitter
Speaker 1: with the umbrella that could fly. Yeah, so they wanted
Speaker 1: to a new logo. There was a man and a
Speaker 1: woman with the little dog, and that was their logo
Speaker 1: with I with the umbrella was floating twelve its high.
Speaker 1: It was so scary. It was wind power six or
Speaker 1: ten or like hardcore in October. And I was so
Speaker 1: scared to die that I actually kind of crushed my
Speaker 1: back by by resisting that. You know, everybody didn't want
Speaker 1: to join the thing anymore because it was too scary.
Speaker 1: If my wife at that time didn't want to come.
Speaker 1: And the whole which press was down on the floor,
Speaker 1: and the whole corfstat certain street in Amsterdam where the
Speaker 1: people do a lot of shopping on the floor for
Speaker 1: me and okay, the beck got so injured that I
Speaker 1: walked around for seven years in the nels almost diagonal,
Speaker 1: couldn't drive, mccartnemore, couldn't sit on a chair, and whe
Speaker 1: had to lie down all the time, fifteen minutes to
Speaker 1: recover from the pain's tremendous and nobody could cure it.
Speaker 1: I tried everything mentioned, deep automanual therapy, visio therapy, I
Speaker 1: took runch and pictures. It was completely destroyed. It's a
Speaker 1: bit of a technical story that I could give you,
Speaker 1: but not necessary now. And that finally I had to
Speaker 1: do a performance in Surinam. That's the country in the
Speaker 1: eastern Amazon rainforest in South America, a former colony of
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, where I had to do a show for
Speaker 1: the Miss India election. And then before I went there,
Speaker 1: there were not so many books written about Surinam. Just
Speaker 1: a book called Creetings to the Queen by kr and Aama,
Speaker 1: and it's a story about a mother and a son
Speaker 1: who has oscio perosa. That's the bone disease that the
Speaker 1: heads of your bones scramble down and incurable here in
Speaker 1: the West. And it also only starts after fifty or
Speaker 1: something fifty five. But this guy was twelve years old
Speaker 1: and he had this already in the doctor and then
Speaker 1: Aland said, there's no medicine for it. Sorry to say so,
Speaker 1: we don't have nothing here in Western medicine that can
Speaker 1: solve it. What that can give you a twice is
Speaker 1: to use a wheelchair and walking stick, so you don't
Speaker 1: give too much pressure to the bone, so they don't
Speaker 1: scramble too fast, you know, so you can have a
Speaker 1: little bit less spain and a little less scrambling. So
Speaker 1: the bones basically, yeah, disappear in your in your wrists
Speaker 1: and things and your knees and all that. So his
Speaker 1: life was fucked, you know, like shit. And then they
Speaker 1: had they went to surname, and they went to a
Speaker 1: man called Packet's a bone master. It's a Maroon and
Speaker 1: a descendant of the escaped slaves from from the Dutch
Speaker 1: that escaped in the forest. They went in safety dent,
Speaker 1: you know, with like on their own independence in the forest,
Speaker 1: and they escape such slave drivers. And they have a
Speaker 1: tremendous power. These people. I met them, and I love
Speaker 1: them and I respect them very much. And they have
Speaker 1: a power that we don't have to survive in these
Speaker 1: kind of circumstances in the middle of the rainforest in
Speaker 1: another country and things like that. And they took knowledge
Speaker 1: from Africa that we don't have here in the West
Speaker 1: or you know. And they are the masters of the bones.
Speaker 1: They can melt bones, they can grow bones back wherever
Speaker 1: you want. They can make spaghetti from any part on
Speaker 1: the bone your body, with herbs and roots and plants
Speaker 1: and oils from the Amazon rainforest. They use two component
Speaker 1: system like the glue you use two component clube, but
Speaker 1: they use it for bone melting and reparation. And one
Speaker 1: substance that you put like with the sort of plaster
Speaker 1: on your back, melts the bones to make it very
Speaker 1: flexible like a spaghetti in the other just drows bones
Speaker 1: wherever you put it. In long time, I said, if
Speaker 1: you canna cure me, it's got to be the biggest
Speaker 1: miracle of my life. I'm a miracle creator. I'm a magician.
Speaker 1: I'm a mentalist. That's my job. If this is going
Speaker 1: to happen, man, you this is the greatest miracle of
Speaker 1: all time. He said, just believe it, man, just believe it.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay. He said, it's not a small
Speaker 1: problem we have. It's a big problem. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: be solved within about five months. And he said, I said,
Speaker 1: what's the amount I have to play? We said He
Speaker 1: said one thousand, Sure, a means dollar. That's two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty euros. That's like a month's salary in that time.
Speaker 1: Now it's a different economy again, but at that time,
Speaker 1: like a month early for it's like a teacher or something.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, in my for my budget and
Speaker 1: my economy is also different from an American economy. Was
Speaker 1: spit much, I said, okay, but okay, yeah, I thought,
Speaker 1: if you can solve solve it, it's a worth maybe
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars or fifty thousand dollars untable, you know.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'll give you them money here
Speaker 1: and the deed like this super deal man, listen to
Speaker 1: this cliff is very inspiring for me. In the art
Speaker 1: of medicine. Hearing the nonledge you pay every month insurance,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody is insured for healthcare, you know healthcare
Speaker 1: insurance you pay like two thousand dollars a year and
Speaker 1: then everybody get any treatments that you need for whatever
Speaker 1: you have. And that's a lot of money for some
Speaker 1: people there. You pay just one price for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life medice, until you get cured or whenever
Speaker 1: you need it. That's the price.
Speaker 2: And where was he located again.
Speaker 1: Near the capitol of Surinam in Amazon rainforest is Amazon Amazon,
Speaker 1: that's the rain rainforest. Talked about it most the first
Speaker 1: place in the planet. So that was that kind of
Speaker 1: that must have shifted your man that killed me, And
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, this is so miraculous. I want to
Speaker 1: do something with it. I'm gonna uh uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: study pharma cognosy. And then I started scudy pharmacogniti to
Speaker 1: put his plants into the eyes of the Western people
Speaker 1: and explain how they work more locularly and all that.
Speaker 1: With your that I just had to introduce how I
Speaker 1: got into this complete fascination with plants, and your question
Speaker 1: was about the immune system and how we can work
Speaker 1: on that and how I'm interested in that. That developed
Speaker 1: also in the time, I thought also how because of
Speaker 1: my travels through the Arctic Circle, through the desert, how
Speaker 1: can people resist and still stay alive in the Saphara,
Speaker 1: you know, the Sahara, the African desert, northern Africa, or
Speaker 1: in the Polar Circle where I performed in Loveland. Because
Speaker 1: as a performer, I traveled a lot, and I learned
Speaker 1: about immunity from the Sami people, for example, that are
Speaker 1: the inhabitants of Northern Europe, the indigenous you know of
Speaker 1: Northern Europe, Sami. It's a culture of nomadic earders. They
Speaker 1: for example, they use some techniques. They use sunnas of course,
Speaker 1: like to heat up the body and to go in
Speaker 1: the cult war to give power to immunity, and they
Speaker 1: use a certain mrsiroom called Jaga Jaga mersroom in the
Speaker 1: affilanties is called Kappa. And they used resistance and now
Speaker 1: it's proven by a Western pharmacognosine in many double blind
Speaker 1: stuities that you can't find bad medicinal database like this
Speaker 1: musiom built your immune system. But I wrote this book
Speaker 1: in the pandemic when I couldn't perform, you know, as
Speaker 1: a performer. It was not allowed in an Etherlands for
Speaker 1: performers to make gatherings with audiences. So all the performers
Speaker 1: had to do in the house prison time for two years,
Speaker 1: you know. And first I played three to six hours
Speaker 1: the bound story flute that's an Indian side flu that
Speaker 1: you hold horizontally to durw myself back. And I thought,
Speaker 1: what you know, I'm going to write the book about
Speaker 1: the medicinal plans that I know.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I want to share all the knowledge I gathered in
Speaker 1: all my travels as a magician and anthropologists, and no
Speaker 1: botanists in South India where I lived for my final
Speaker 1: graduation project for the University of Empsoney and I want
Speaker 1: to share this knowledge to the world. I want to
Speaker 1: give a gift to humanity, you know. And this is
Speaker 1: the book. And I was frustrated a little bit by
Speaker 1: the got government that they also for external means to
Speaker 1: help people, like masks on the face and the injections
Speaker 1: to do that, which I think it is good to
Speaker 1: the vaccinate yourself or whatever. But this castle was a
Speaker 1: bit over craziness and all kinds of external means to
Speaker 1: protect yourself from something dangerous. Okay, I thought with the government,
Speaker 1: don't teaches how to build power from inside, which is
Speaker 1: also a capacity that we need. You know, if you
Speaker 1: take cold shower every day, it helps a little bit.
Speaker 1: If you eat certain foods, especially when you're good. You
Speaker 1: asked us about the good the intestine. The one doctor
Speaker 1: from Switzerland, it was called doctor Foch. He said, death
Speaker 1: is in the good. The resistance of the body. Most
Speaker 1: important is the good. You know, where all the bacteria live.
Speaker 1: Everybody has like four kilos of bacteria. And the intestine
Speaker 1: that we needed help us digestre and foods and things
Speaker 1: like that everybody have that we are actually made of
Speaker 1: many entities that live in us. You know. Also, virus
Speaker 1: are already innocted. Sometimes we just need and in the
Speaker 1: good of everybody is so billions of bacteria that you need.
Speaker 1: In these bacteria, I learned by reading so many books
Speaker 1: help us to resist against other pathogen that illmakers, that
Speaker 1: can break down the immunity system or something. And I
Speaker 1: read all these different things, and I'm so fascinated by
Speaker 1: that because I see that in so many environments. And
Speaker 1: I read studies about bets why they are so strong,
Speaker 1: They have so strong immunity, and they can become quite
Speaker 1: old for animals of that size, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, and I read about it that they can,
Speaker 1: for example, fly from very hot caves where they live
Speaker 1: to very cold outside and they live all together so
Speaker 1: many they get built so strong resistance, you know. And
Speaker 1: I just fascinated from scientific provable things how a human
Speaker 1: can be strong by itself, you know. And yeah, that
Speaker 1: is one of the things I'm fascinated by.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
Speaker 2: our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
Speaker 2: with my guests today Walter by din Dyke coming to
Speaker 2: us from the Netherlands, will be right back. I often
Speaker 2: talk about my deep depression when my grandfather died. It
Speaker 2: was a devastating event in my life and I didn't
Speaker 2: know where to turn. I was just depressed. I was unhappy,
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing well at my work. If it wasn't
Speaker 2: for a therapist, I don't know what I would have done.
Speaker 2: I went for at least I think it was over
Speaker 2: a year and a half almost two years, and it
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Speaker 2: My guess today is Walter bib Dieic. He is a
Speaker 2: anthropologist but also an ethnobotanist who specializes in nutritional plants
Speaker 2: and the various plant species. But Walter, I'm really curious
Speaker 2: about this book. You're calling it Plant Power. You must
Speaker 2: have traveled to enough countries and decided that the food
Speaker 2: that people were eating was not of any quality, and
Speaker 2: that there was a disease problem with bacteria, with gut
Speaker 2: flora and everything else. Is that the basis of the
Speaker 2: books design is the lack of organic food.
Speaker 1: I personally eat mainly organic if I can get it.
Speaker 1: It's not the main drive. There's many drives to write
Speaker 1: a book. Also, one things that I just read from doctors,
Speaker 1: you know, general practitioners and clinical trained people that the
Speaker 1: standard American diets that also of people on the Netlands
Speaker 1: eat like a lot of sugars, like drinks, soft drinks
Speaker 1: and maybe just starts like a potato fried but hard
Speaker 1: write potatoes with lots of transity acids that are quite
Speaker 1: not so healthy, any general petitioner would tell you. And
Speaker 1: just white bread and teas like it's it's it's quick food,
Speaker 1: you know, and but for the long term it's not
Speaker 1: that healthy. Just I'm just fascinated by it, not or yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just say, if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: what I observe as just an external observe that. Once
Speaker 1: I had to go to Las Vegas to do some
Speaker 1: work and show there and I went to Detroit in America.
Speaker 1: I was so stunned, just like a friendly stunt by
Speaker 1: the sort of very fat news of the people. You know,
Speaker 1: all the employees of the the workers in the airports
Speaker 1: were very for our culture. So much fat on the body,
Speaker 1: you know, a bit over much obasic almost, And I
Speaker 1: was like, how can these be possible? But and then
Speaker 1: I read also I had the automolic when im when
Speaker 1: I was working a lot as a magician, I had
Speaker 1: a private automolecular doctor called Kyle Hoffmann, and he uh
Speaker 1: teach me a lot about things. I hired him. You
Speaker 1: can look to the functions of your livered three years
Speaker 1: ahead if you testn't And he teached me also a lot.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first actually exploring the idea
Speaker 1: of antioxidants and free radicals. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: free radicals and antioptioninans or well.
Speaker 2: On't you tell us what that free radicals are because
Speaker 2: that's a big problem for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, free radicals are kind of to make. I can
Speaker 1: explain it very scientifically, but you're going to keep it
Speaker 1: simple for now. People can research more if they don't know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people already know. But for those
Speaker 1: that want to know a bit better, that are things
Speaker 1: that make you ill, actually if you sit too much
Speaker 1: in the sun, if you're doing too much ac if
Speaker 1: you smoke too much tobaccos, if you smell the benzines
Speaker 1: from the cars, and all these kinds of things that
Speaker 1: you already kind of intuitively know that they're not that
Speaker 1: hell the next saggeration, they are sort of molecules that
Speaker 1: burns in a certain way in your body that create disease,
Speaker 1: that keep it simple, you know, And then they have
Speaker 1: like atoms and how they are built and electrons and things.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit with negativity and positivity, like electricity works.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's an exaggeration of a certain thing that's not
Speaker 1: healthy for the system because they catch certain molecules away
Speaker 1: or like atoms, you know, these small things that everybody
Speaker 1: knows away and antioxygents they balance it out or they
Speaker 1: catch like fightamin sea. Plants are in the sun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Plants are in the sun, and they don't burn. They
Speaker 1: don't sunburn totally. They don't scramble to death, you know,
Speaker 1: like they don't get dry and color change too much
Speaker 1: when they're green in the sun. You know, they have
Speaker 1: antioxydens in their body, like fighting mein sea to protect
Speaker 1: from the solar free radicals that develop if you're sitting
Speaker 1: too much in the sun. And these simple things actually
Speaker 1: that we discovered like one hundred years or I don't know,
Speaker 1: jet two hundred years ago. We discovered that you have
Speaker 1: to wash your hands with soap regularly to take off
Speaker 1: dirts and maybe not so beneficial bacteria. By the way,
Speaker 1: bacteria only a very very small percentage of bacteria as harmful.
Speaker 1: In the rest is absolutely not harmful. But to clean
Speaker 1: your hands was something. Now it's so common for everybody.
Speaker 1: You go to the toilet to wash your hands, to
Speaker 1: come home, and you worked a lot in the in
Speaker 1: the fields or something, you wash your hands with soap
Speaker 1: or something, you know. And also the free radicals, it's
Speaker 1: something we just have to remember and understand and know.
Speaker 1: Now the more and more we know that you have
Speaker 1: to balance them out sometimes with antioccidants. But by the way,
Speaker 1: the body itself makes the strongest antioxydants of all time.
Speaker 1: The clue that you young, for example, in the liver,
Speaker 1: it's all produced by the body. But for that to
Speaker 1: make the body function well, according to my philosophy and research,
Speaker 1: is that you had to have to eat diverse. And
Speaker 1: one of the problems with the modern diets we have
Speaker 1: that like the standard American diet and also the Dutch diet,
Speaker 1: you could say in a certain way that people are
Speaker 1: just a little bit ignorant in a way that it's
Speaker 1: not diverse enough. My friend, if you eat only one
Speaker 1: potato a day or three and a piece of beef,
Speaker 1: which is it's all healthy, but if it's too not
Speaker 1: too broad or something and too much certain not healthy
Speaker 1: fats and I love fats, and fats are very healthy.
Speaker 1: If they have to write fat and things like that,
Speaker 1: or for example, if you meet that each like a beef,
Speaker 1: that each grass walks free and it's organic, it's much
Speaker 1: healthy than somebody some animal that lives in a cage
Speaker 1: and slaughtered, enslaved and shit. It's very not functional for nobody,
Speaker 1: nothing in the world. Bio industry we call it in
Speaker 1: the it's all the chickens. That for the fast food
Speaker 1: industries is very unhealthy for environmental, for the planet, for
Speaker 1: the people, for everybody. If you consume it, also, it's
Speaker 1: not so healthy. Just common sense science actually, and if
Speaker 1: you eat diverse I discovered by researching a lot of
Speaker 1: specialists in immuno power ideas of Yeah, the universities around
Speaker 1: the world that discovered that eating a minimum of thirty
Speaker 1: different photo nutritions per week, like plant based foods, just
Speaker 1: plant foods like parsley, walnuts, system seeds, peanuts, apples, bananas,
Speaker 1: just plants, green leave, spinach, whatever, a week. That's already good.
Speaker 1: You know. Then you have a lot of diversity of
Speaker 1: molecules and substances and building blocks of your body. And
Speaker 1: your body itself knows what to do with it. You know,
Speaker 1: your body knows how to put it where. Make a
Speaker 1: little bit more bone, make a little bit more eye
Speaker 1: effect the colors of vitality. Like one of my teachers,
Speaker 1: Lisa Ganoro, always says, eat a rainbow. That's an old idea.
Speaker 1: Eat the rainbow colors. You now, if you eat a
Speaker 1: lot of colors, that's proven by modern pharma. Cognize that
Speaker 1: in the colors of the foods there is actually a
Speaker 1: lot of different antioxidants. Again, that support doesn't help us.
Speaker 1: And for me, plants are our greatest allies on the planet.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, talk about that because you actually you
Speaker 2: actually describe people should be eating more nuts and vegetables,
Speaker 2: and they you say, the American diet is really really
Speaker 2: a problem. What is it about the American diet specifically?
Speaker 2: Is it too much fat? Too much?
Speaker 1: So much fat? There's also sometimes ajeration of not so
Speaker 1: healthy fats like trans fatty ESTs. If you fry a
Speaker 1: lot of fries all the time, very hot in your thing,
Speaker 1: it's not healthy. No, but it's too much of anything
Speaker 1: is not good. It's the diversity and the balance of
Speaker 1: things that are good. And it's just not only my
Speaker 1: not my own ideas, but you can see the effects
Speaker 1: of certain areas of your land where you live, that
Speaker 1: there's effects, you know, but that is because of too
Speaker 1: much Yeah, you just have to talk also to the
Speaker 1: general partitioner about it. But what you can say is
Speaker 1: that it's not only the fats. It's also the lack
Speaker 1: of nutritions. Actually, if you eat from ground, it has
Speaker 1: been all the time, harves, harvest, harvest, Harvard harts. There's
Speaker 1: no minerals sometimes anymore in the ground. Also here in Europe,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the ground are exhausted there, there's nothing
Speaker 1: to be found there. So you have to eat from earth.
Speaker 1: I always say, also eat from a lot of different
Speaker 1: different earths, not only from the local terrain, but also
Speaker 1: from from so many different places. There's different minerals in
Speaker 1: different in the mountain area, in your local village or towns,
Speaker 1: different minerals in the ground and nutritions then in the forest,
Speaker 1: you know, so eat diverse again you get the nutritions
Speaker 1: in it, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, a little bit about.
Speaker 1: Water, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You highlight god flora. What is god flora? And why
Speaker 2: is it so important?
Speaker 1: Good flora are the bacteria that help us. They digest
Speaker 1: food for us. In our gut. There's living, as I
Speaker 1: said before, a lot of bacteria. And the good flora
Speaker 1: is like the the ecology, like the forest in your
Speaker 1: own body, the nature in your own body. We are
Speaker 1: nature with you know. And you have to feed the
Speaker 1: right good bacteria with inulins for example, that's certain substance
Speaker 1: you can find in then the lonely than the line
Speaker 1: roots and in arti shows and in Burdoc root and
Speaker 1: all these kind of things. And they you you have
Speaker 1: to feed the right bacteria that you need. Even more
Speaker 1: than adding new bacteria, you can eat, uh, praying probiodiction,
Speaker 1: like you can buy these shetter little pails that you
Speaker 1: have to warm up a little bit in warm water
Speaker 1: and drink it to give more bacteria to your guts.
Speaker 1: But it's also good to already feed the right bacteria
Speaker 1: that they drive. And when this good bacteria that help
Speaker 1: us to digest foods, they actually ferment the foods for
Speaker 1: us and they break them apart and they do things
Speaker 1: with it so we can have the nutritions in our
Speaker 1: blood stream and to get fit from it. They are
Speaker 1: our helpers that live in us where it is actually
Speaker 1: uh that actually bacteria outnumber our own cells in our
Speaker 1: around our body or even on our skin. But this
Speaker 1: good flora you have to to keep imbalance. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to sometimes clean your gut, but you also
Speaker 1: have to just eat the adverse and move your also,
Speaker 1: I say simple things. Move your body enough, like at
Speaker 1: least walk half an hour a day, or if you
Speaker 1: can three hours day, move your body. That's how we
Speaker 1: are made. That's our Our bodies never made you sit
Speaker 1: on a chair and only look to the computer or
Speaker 1: watch the TV. Our bodies are made to hunt, to dig,
Speaker 1: to grow, to run. Your runners actually people from evolutionary perspective,
Speaker 1: and we have to we have to have enough sleep.
Speaker 1: We have to feed our right gut bacteria and eat
Speaker 1: a lot of fermented foods. All the doctors that I
Speaker 1: talked to and read about, they say eat fermented food
Speaker 1: like cafee Like uh a, how you said that gurkons
Speaker 1: or something in America, like your gourds and all these
Speaker 1: things that are fermented, they have the bacteria in it
Speaker 1: that we need actually, and they these bacteria help us.
Speaker 1: So you can maintain like your garden in your local
Speaker 1: apartner or house or place where you live. You have
Speaker 1: a garden in yourself that you have to keep healthy
Speaker 1: and keep strong, you know. And yeah, you doctor that
Speaker 1: al but uh the doctor Paul said death is in
Speaker 1: the intestines. He said, death is in the intestines, loots
Speaker 1: of our immunity, amount of power.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, you're talking about probiotics are really important.
Speaker 2: But you also say that consuming omega three fatty acids
Speaker 2: are real key to for good health. What are those?
Speaker 1: There's certain fatty acids that have to be in the
Speaker 1: body in a certain balance, like omega three, six, and
Speaker 1: nine fatty acids. There's also a lot of like seven,
Speaker 1: but the most important there's a balance between in ours
Speaker 1: our diet. There's a lot of for example, omega six
Speaker 1: fatty acids, which we need for for for like inflammation
Speaker 1: a little bit. You need inflammation and not saying what
Speaker 1: I learned that information is bad. You needed to kill pathogens.
Speaker 1: Pathogens are diseases that commonness. You need to make them
Speaker 1: a little bit like keep it simple, make them very hot,
Speaker 1: burn them, they burn out of the system. But if
Speaker 1: that happens too much when you eat only sugars all
Speaker 1: the time, white quick sugars like soft drinks and a
Speaker 1: lot of chocolate bars and things where there's unnatural or
Speaker 1: natural sugars in it in excess, white sugars especially, and
Speaker 1: these sugars we need but in a small quantity, and
Speaker 1: the bacteria feed on that that are maybe less good
Speaker 1: and the omega fatty acids. What you ask, what I
Speaker 1: know about it? There's much more than I can tell.
Speaker 1: You know in this short time that, for example, the
Speaker 1: omega three fatty acids that you can fight in cold
Speaker 1: fish oil, but also in walnuts for example, and a
Speaker 1: lot of other fatty natural products is very good for
Speaker 1: your brain. You know you needed for your brain. The
Speaker 1: brain is made of fat. The brain loves fat, and
Speaker 1: to have good functional brain, you need the right fat
Speaker 1: in your body. And if you put trans fatty acids,
Speaker 1: like like the fried chicken that's very hot fried all
Speaker 1: the time in the same hot oil, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of transfitt is or chips or something. Then the
Speaker 1: fats that your cell membrans and you're also your brain
Speaker 1: is made of becomes not so good fats, So the
Speaker 1: functions of it get less. You know, if you put healthy,
Speaker 1: fresh from the good cold water fish that are free
Speaker 1: flowing in the clean seas that we are all responsible
Speaker 1: for in the planet, because we are all interconnected, and
Speaker 1: you are as responsible for me as I am for
Speaker 1: you and your neighbor and everybody in the world. Everybody,
Speaker 1: I mean everybody that if you're dirty the world and
Speaker 1: you have very dirty seas and the fish eat that
Speaker 1: and have the macroplastics in their body and all these things,
Speaker 1: you and your children and everybody not gonna have a
Speaker 1: good time and sufferings. You know, some people think in
Speaker 1: our society, oh I can know, Oh does't matter, It's
Speaker 1: just a short I only live one life. Whatever one life.
Speaker 1: Your children gonna fucking be dead in a year five
Speaker 1: after your death. Do you want that? No? I feel responsible,
Speaker 1: So we have to be careful that all the seas
Speaker 1: in the world for everybody, each and everybody on the
Speaker 1: planet is so you have good fish and good fish oils.
Speaker 1: You can make it even egoistic thing like yes, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm a little bit worried.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, you mentioned microplastics. This is a
Speaker 2: problem right now, isn't it. How do we avoid microplastics
Speaker 2: which are in everything now?
Speaker 1: They are actually unfortunately in almost everything now, yeah, in
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Chair how we avoid them? I
Speaker 1: think being more aware of the effects on how we
Speaker 1: consume and what we consume and how we deal with
Speaker 1: environmental issues, that we have to just be more aware
Speaker 1: of it. There's even a good saying from the Native
Speaker 1: Americans of your country, a certain tribe. They say, actually,
Speaker 1: the most important question us humans have to ask in
Speaker 1: these times is what I am doing now? How is
Speaker 1: the effect on the many generations after me? And the
Speaker 1: most important question we as humans can ask ourselves actually,
Speaker 1: is am I a good ancestor?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I think it's the most one of the most
Speaker 1: clever ideas of the planet. How my handlings and doings
Speaker 1: are actually affecting the lives of everybody because things happened
Speaker 1: in the past now they are good for us. That
Speaker 1: we have a lot of oil that we can bump
Speaker 1: out of the ground and drive our cars and planes.
Speaker 1: But that where plants that created it, and at a
Speaker 1: certain moment it's over. And when not plant more trees,
Speaker 1: for example, just for all the peoples of the planet
Speaker 1: and everybody can enjoy it. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much meat are you? Yeah? How much meat
Speaker 2: are you recommending people e? Because the books obviously titled
Speaker 2: Plant Power, and that's you know, you're trying to encourage
Speaker 2: people eat more vegetables and fruits and less fatty acids.
Speaker 2: But how much meat do you consume or are you recommending.
Speaker 1: I eat once in a while some meat. You know,
Speaker 1: I personally eat everything. The book is about plants and
Speaker 1: it's all plant based recipes because we like that very much,
Speaker 1: and it's very important to make much more plants available
Speaker 1: and in our diet and bio diversity. Talking about biodiversity,
Speaker 1: by the way, the key to planetary abundance, Cliff is
Speaker 1: biodiversity rather than monocultures. That is very proven by science
Speaker 1: now also, but that's a story for later. But how
Speaker 1: much meat I recommend I recommend what I read that
Speaker 1: and what I see is just little chunks of meat
Speaker 1: now and then, and you can eat it a couple
Speaker 1: of times a week or once a week or something
Speaker 1: to stay hell and good and also planetarily good. You know,
Speaker 1: I think humans look, I traveled a lot, right, and
Speaker 1: I love comparative anthropology, comparative religion, and comparative art. And
Speaker 1: how artists in Africa, how artists in America, How artists
Speaker 1: in China, How artists in Japan, How artists in Egypt,
Speaker 1: How artists in the Netherlands, How artists in Belgium, or
Speaker 1: that I like to compare. And also food behaviors. If
Speaker 1: you look, for example, people can live everywhere on the
Speaker 1: planet right like dogs and cats, and they can eat
Speaker 1: any diets and live on it. And certain diets you
Speaker 1: live longer, and certain behaviors you live longer and healthier.
Speaker 1: That has been proven. Are these famous blue zones in
Speaker 1: the world. And what I see so is that, for example,
Speaker 1: if you live very high in the artis Chirkum the
Speaker 1: polar areas, that the people only live from seal fat
Speaker 1: almost basically you know, only seal fat, eating only fat
Speaker 1: yea all my the base there's some diversity, of course,
Speaker 1: but that's the base. Then in the unless, for example,
Speaker 1: in the Peru, and believe that a lot of people
Speaker 1: live on roots, on starches and like things like potatoes,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's so many that are the countries
Speaker 1: of the roots. They live mainly of the diet and
Speaker 1: yams and things like that. Then you have the Masai
Speaker 1: in Kenya, for example, they live of bloods. They don't
Speaker 1: kill the cows. They sometimes eat the meat, but they
Speaker 1: drink the blood to take the nutritions out and the milk.
Speaker 1: They mainly live on that on so much proteins, you know,
Speaker 1: they can all live. But they also eat plants of
Speaker 1: course on the side. But the base of our foods
Speaker 1: can be so diverse, and people can be so diverse.
Speaker 1: And if you just study many things, you see that
Speaker 1: not it's good to eat diverse, let's say it like that,
Speaker 1: and not excess. It's not healthy to eat only potatoes,
Speaker 1: only only yellow potatoes, but diverse. But you know what
Speaker 1: I mean that we can live everything. And if you
Speaker 1: want to stay longer healthy, I think you can adapt
Speaker 1: to your diet. You know, you can adapt to it,
Speaker 1: to adapt your diet to but you know, and I
Speaker 1: know in California people are super aware, super conscious about
Speaker 1: their food and health and supplements like that. But I
Speaker 1: think the best is, actually some doctors and general practitioners
Speaker 1: told me and people, is to take your the nutritions
Speaker 1: out of your food, you know, rather than supplement you can.
Speaker 1: I also take sometimes supplements that ostacs on scene. It's
Speaker 1: a sort of yeah, super antioxidant for your eyes, for example,
Speaker 1: that can enter your eyes and it's pretty healthy, and
Speaker 1: I take it as an external thing sometimes, But the
Speaker 1: best is to take all the things from your from
Speaker 1: the diversity of your food. You know.
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Speaker 2: with my guest today Walter bibe and Dyke coming to
Speaker 2: us from the Netherlands. Will be right back. My guest
Speaker 2: today is botanist Walter Biben Dyke, who has written a
Speaker 2: new book called Plant Power, and this is a look
Speaker 2: at plants that you find in your backyard and your forest.
Speaker 2: A number of plants that are quite edible, nutritious and healing.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about healthcare in America. You comment
Speaker 2: in your book about the overuse of antibiotics and the
Speaker 2: problems that it gives the body. And this is following
Speaker 2: the allopathic method of healing. And you don't write very
Speaker 2: positively about the effects of allopathic mass to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about.
Speaker 1: What do you think? So I'm very positively also about
Speaker 1: allopathic medicine.
Speaker 2: I think they're great for trauma.
Speaker 1: I think they're great for for trauma and instant things.
Speaker 1: And I also go when I have a super infection
Speaker 1: or something on my ear, because whatever during whatever happens
Speaker 1: in my ear. I was in a bar in swimming
Speaker 1: in a swimming pool in a certain place, for the
Speaker 1: water was not clean. I got this tremendous ear in picture.
Speaker 1: I go to my general petitioners. What can I do.
Speaker 1: I can put propolis in it that I take from
Speaker 1: bees that no bacteria can get resistant to it. But
Speaker 1: then by horn fleets, I don't know the words. And
Speaker 1: something in your hair like a membrane that gets too
Speaker 1: much propose on it that I cannot cleanch. I think,
Speaker 1: what would they use? How did they think it? Just rationalize.
Speaker 1: I'm a rationalist, you know. I think, Oh, they say
Speaker 1: this and this you have to put sour and this
Speaker 1: is it? Because then the bacteria cannot drive so well.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah, and I use it. And then
Speaker 1: at the end, I would use if I'm gonna die,
Speaker 1: take antibiotics very rarely, like a heart. And there's so
Speaker 1: many antibiotics in plants, by the way, in immersions with
Speaker 1: like a penicillin hardcore bomb. You know that comes from immersion.
Speaker 2: By the way, did you say that you would avoid
Speaker 2: antibiotics over a plant medicine?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I take them. No, I take everything.
Speaker 1: But I will say you can do a lot yourself.
Speaker 1: You say, I don't know anything so much about the
Speaker 1: American use of antibiology. You have to use it in excess.
Speaker 1: But also your good flora, your bacteria. Okay, with antibiotics,
Speaker 1: you can kill bacteria right, ones that make infections too big,
Speaker 1: like swollen red finger with puss coming out whenever, you
Speaker 1: have to kill it with antibiotic because your own body
Speaker 1: can't handle it anymore, because your immunity is little bit
Speaker 1: less or something tremendous happened. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: use it. That's rare, that you have to use it,
Speaker 1: very rare. Then I think that also that I know
Speaker 1: that the good flora dies from that. You know also
Speaker 1: that you need you so your immunity goes down, you know,
Speaker 1: so then antibiotically use also an ortra molecular. Doctor cal
Speaker 1: Homan said, you have to use probiotics and probiotics again
Speaker 1: your guts and things. You can even take these capsules
Speaker 1: then in that case to feed them up and also
Speaker 1: innerleans and other good sugars that these bacteria trifle. You
Speaker 1: have to feed them and prepare them. You know, you
Speaker 1: cannot just take three times a year antibiotic I because
Speaker 1: you have a sour throat or something. It's super dangerous.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, you have to really talk with
Speaker 1: your general partitioner, and at least if you're a doubting
Speaker 1: with three different general practitioners from three different schools, you know,
Speaker 1: your throat can cure very. For example, if I feel
Speaker 1: throat pain coming, I'm a beekeeper too, you know, I
Speaker 1: keep the certain bees, honey bees, black bees. That if
Speaker 1: you get to feel a throat pain coming right and
Speaker 1: throat infection or whatever, then I try to make more
Speaker 1: rest and I put the propylus on it. That is antibiotic.
Speaker 1: No bacterian world can get resistant to it, because bacteria
Speaker 1: can already genetically learn in one generation, and humans like
Speaker 1: many generations genetically we change, but bacteria very fast, and
Speaker 1: so they get resistant to the bacteria that they get
Speaker 1: resistant to the antibiotics we use fast, you know. And
Speaker 1: the propellers from the bees that are resins that the
Speaker 1: bees collect contain so many different photo molecules plant molecules
Speaker 1: that work as an antibiotic and are anti viral, antibacterial
Speaker 1: and anti that the bacteria very hard have a hard
Speaker 1: time to get the resistance to it, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's so diverse, they cannot adapt your us. So I
Speaker 1: use that in a liquid. I make a call tinture
Speaker 1: from it, and I take the sage leaves which have
Speaker 1: antibiotic properties and extra vitamine C from natural origin. Eating
Speaker 1: the oranges and TVs and whatever things you know where
Speaker 1: you can find the vitamine C in it with also
Speaker 1: the bioplaphant. It's like the white stifty you find in
Speaker 1: the orange you have to eat. Also, I use that
Speaker 1: kind of things to build up most of the time,
Speaker 1: like ninety five percent of the time, I beat them out.
Speaker 1: I don't get the throat infection. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to build the resistant by yourself. By sleeping. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they're saying now that a lot of
Speaker 2: us have a lot of inflammation in our body. They're
Speaker 2: even saying that Alzheimer's is inflammation of the brain.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Is it your belief that we're living with inflammation and
Speaker 2: we're too casually addressing it in terms of getting rid
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: What what's you're feeling on inflammation?
Speaker 1: Oh, like you said, Okay, my feeling about the inflammation
Speaker 1: is that it's good and that we need it and
Speaker 1: that we have it in our system. That's the one
Speaker 1: of the ways of resistance, one of the ways of
Speaker 1: immunity of the body. But if you have it too much,
Speaker 1: it's it's not so good. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: people have inflammation all the time because they eat too
Speaker 1: much sugars and they don't move their bodies, you know,
Speaker 1: Like you said, Yeah, I agree totally.
Speaker 2: So how do we how do we reduce inflammation in
Speaker 2: my body?
Speaker 1: My book Plant by eating plants what I described in
Speaker 1: Plant Power. How we reduced the inflammation by it? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of plants. By by eating diverse like I'm
Speaker 1: described in my book Planned Power, not too much fast
Speaker 1: sugars like white bread, white pasta quickly processed sugars, by
Speaker 1: eating diverse a lot of green vegetables, by eating garlic
Speaker 1: and things like that, and many other things that are
Speaker 1: described in my book. And yeah, also I recommend people
Speaker 1: to talk to their general practitioner and not my general
Speaker 1: practitioners said this, So it's only that. No, it's not
Speaker 1: only that. That's one of the things the general practitioners said.
Speaker 1: And the other general practitioner says this, and the other
Speaker 1: says this, and the medicinal databases and the sixty thousand
Speaker 1: double blinds to these in various countries in the world
Speaker 1: say also this, So you have to think for yourself. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm not I've just a little bit knowledge out of
Speaker 1: frustation that built up myself by reading hundreds of books,
Speaker 1: you know, and study and talking to various general practitioners.
Speaker 1: For example, that's a nice one. I was living in
Speaker 1: Jamaica right in the pandemic. I wrote my book forty
Speaker 1: pages I delivered to my publisher, and then for certain reasons,
Speaker 1: we migrated to Jamaica in the Caribbean, as you know,
Speaker 1: and there I met a general practitioner, retired American old
Speaker 1: lady in Belmont, and I asked her. Velmont is the
Speaker 1: place where Peter Tosh by the way, got buried and
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in his life, and she
Speaker 1: has this nice little restaurant there. And I asked her,
Speaker 1: my dear lady, if the pesty seeds that people use
Speaker 1: on the vegetables and fruits in our world are infecting
Speaker 1: the nervous system of the bacteria. Sorry, not of of
Speaker 1: the insects. They killed the nervous system of the insect
Speaker 1: and the insect died from it. Wouldn't if we get
Speaker 1: it slowly, slowly in our body from the vegetables and fruits,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it effect our own nerve system? You know what?
Speaker 2: Their answer? Of course.
Speaker 1: Inect You know that teach me enough. If I talk
Speaker 1: to people like that that have a lot of experience,
Speaker 1: then I know. People can say any lobbies you know,
Speaker 1: sorry to say, but I love everybody in the world.
Speaker 1: But they say, no, the pestigees are so good. It's
Speaker 1: no problems, just the quantity. And that's to those that
Speaker 1: makes it, not the passion. But you have to think
Speaker 1: for yourself. It's sometimes people say this and this reason
Speaker 1: why this is good? My fruits are so good, and
Speaker 1: we use only this passage. It's only seventy four different
Speaker 1: passages're not sixty four ins or something. You know, so
Speaker 1: you have to think for yourself. And you know, if
Speaker 1: if insects die from it, body also dies from it.
Speaker 1: Human body maybe a little bit slower. But if inflammation
Speaker 1: come to so many ports or solvents, if you eat solmons,
Speaker 1: for example, that are harvested thousands of solmons, millions together
Speaker 1: in nets in whatever in the I sees around the world,
Speaker 1: and they use a lot of antibiotics to destroy the disease,
Speaker 1: because no naturally thinks that get so strong and whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's always wheedling to die org.
Speaker 2: But I have to ask you, Walter, you're suggesting people
Speaker 2: go to their general practitioner. Here in the United States,
Speaker 2: the general practitioners, which is allopathic medicine, get very little
Speaker 2: nutritional education. It has to be something they do after
Speaker 2: they get their credential. Perhaps in Europe the general practitioners
Speaker 2: are more educated on nutrition, but not in America.
Speaker 1: All of them, by the way, not all of them.
Speaker 1: My general practitioner or from before the TD to go
Speaker 1: to another city. She read my book and she said,
Speaker 1: vow to your book. Blend power. I'm astonished, you really
Speaker 1: know it. This is the future of medicine. We all
Speaker 1: have to go back to these plants. You know so much,
Speaker 1: you really know that. I almost cried from it from
Speaker 1: all the efforts of put in my book. You know,
Speaker 1: but not all of them are educated.
Speaker 2: She said.
Speaker 1: Also, not all of them are ready for it and
Speaker 1: all that. But it slowly, but truly they will discover.
Speaker 1: It's strange that like people like Hippocratis is like an
Speaker 1: ancient Greek philosopher and uh sort of general petitioner. Doctor said,
Speaker 1: thy food be thy medicine or some you know, thy
Speaker 1: food be thy medicine. He already said it that by
Speaker 1: feeding your body the right foods, like you also just
Speaker 1: feedback to me you you're healthy. But in the so
Speaker 1: many studies also that the doctors, and I highly big
Speaker 1: time respect them and I always recommend you to talk
Speaker 1: to them them and they know so much and everybody
Speaker 1: knows a little bit more that sometimes in the studies
Speaker 1: they don't teach too much about the foods in the
Speaker 1: effect of the foods. And I think personally, like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor and just somebody that studied pharmacognoicy
Speaker 1: and interest is interested in foods and the use of
Speaker 1: plants as an ethnobotanist and just as a person that
Speaker 1: foods are tremendously important. I think what you put in
Speaker 1: your body you become. Also, like what kind of thoughts
Speaker 1: you have you become, you know, And I just logic
Speaker 1: from the street, let's say, and just thinking a little bit. Ye,
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people think that. But
Speaker 1: sometimes we are ignorant as people, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: see everything or we see a lot of things that we.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the books called Plant Power Heal Yourself with
Speaker 2: medicinal mushrooms, roots, flowers and herbs. My guest today has
Speaker 2: been water, Biden Dyke and uh Water. How can people
Speaker 2: learn more about you? You have a channel, a YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Yes, I also have a YouTube channel plant power or
Speaker 1: plant YouTube channel. And I also have an Instagram account
Speaker 1: called plant cats that is plant power in Dutch plant
Speaker 1: like the same like American plant or English and then
Speaker 1: cot k are a c h t Okay, you know
Speaker 1: power plant cost on Instagram and they can find me
Speaker 1: through my website soon that you will be about banda
Speaker 1: dot com with my brother's working on it. Now they
Speaker 1: can check on g MPP dot org. But I think
Speaker 1: the best is to go to Instagram plant Card, plant
Speaker 1: powering Dutch and to go to my YouTube channel. There
Speaker 1: I put some videos also, Okay, and to my name,
Speaker 1: that's on the book Plants Power right now available all
Speaker 1: over all bookstores.
Speaker 2: Hey, my final question to you, Walter is who did
Speaker 2: you write the book for? Who did you write the
Speaker 2: b For.
Speaker 1: A woman in the world, for the woman one of
Speaker 1: the except for the plants and for the universe, the
Speaker 1: illusion that sustains reality. I wrote it also I've sold
Speaker 1: much a pleasure for the ancient witch hunts, you know,
Speaker 1: for the woman, the herbalist, the ancient wise woman of
Speaker 1: Europe that got slaughtered by the witch hunts. You know,
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the witch.
Speaker 2: Exactly, they if they were herbal witches and.
Speaker 1: Herbless like knowledge of plans was actually considered to have
Speaker 1: a pact with the devil, you know. And it's sort
Speaker 1: of strange thinking in that time. And I wrote it
Speaker 1: also because to bring back the knowledge, you know. I
Speaker 1: wrote it also to preserve the knowledge that they discovered.
Speaker 1: In all my travelers and talks. Certain things you will
Speaker 1: not find on the internet are only in the physical
Speaker 1: form of this book, you know, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: keep safeguard is to to and to to shave that
Speaker 1: hood market, to tune back the quality of women also,
Speaker 1: you know, to see what what what kind of important
Speaker 1: important role they played in the world of medicine. And
Speaker 1: I hope we get back a bit the knowledge and
Speaker 1: the respect for all the women in the world that
Speaker 1: we owe so uh nicely, this need and I wrote
Speaker 1: it also because for the sacraments humankind has been using
Speaker 1: for millennia means thousands and thousands of years that got
Speaker 1: somehow demonized by certain institutions in the world. That we
Speaker 1: get back the knowledge of the ancient sacred mushrooms like
Speaker 1: the Amanita miscaria Mercian the fly again, that people have
Speaker 1: been ingesting in their bodies in certain supervisional supers under
Speaker 1: supervision of practitioner Shamans. You have not experimented alone with it.
Speaker 1: You have to really, but that they those plants and
Speaker 1: the eugens that show the divine within ourselves, in the
Speaker 1: nature around, in the whole creation, and the illusion that
Speaker 1: sustains reality the universe. Yeah, that they played such an
Speaker 1: important role in our development, and that we have to
Speaker 1: get back to them. And it's so interesting that now
Speaker 1: there's more than forty universities in the world that study
Speaker 1: the substances like psylosiben, for example, the beneficial effects of it,
Speaker 1: that it can take away post traumatic stress syndromes or
Speaker 1: anxiety or fears, and that you can cure yourself by
Speaker 1: these things. And we are rediscovering them like the ancient
Speaker 1: Greeks already did in the Temple of Alyses, the Temple
Speaker 1: of the Major and her daughter Persoponi. The Major is
Speaker 1: the goddess of Earth and beer. We were actually going
Speaker 1: to talk a lot about beer, but that's maybe in
Speaker 1: talk for next time. That there the people drink in
Speaker 1: the autumn. We are now in autumn in October that
Speaker 1: they drink the kikio. This is a drink with Penelopa
Speaker 1: mint for the taste, water, barley grain because Persovni was
Speaker 1: a gouds of beer and it was a beer doing
Speaker 1: this and an extract of the airhot mushroom l as
Speaker 1: the shipstance I never put in my body is super
Speaker 1: interesting and that is also described by many scholars like
Speaker 1: Cole Rooke, Professor Carruk from Boston University, and people like
Speaker 1: Brian Mayer rescue that in the Temple of Alysis, they
Speaker 1: drink this kiki on this drink and Plato and soaker
Speaker 1: this Plato the philosopher said, it's the most important exis
Speaker 1: in his life. And people in that temple learned to
Speaker 1: die before they died so they wouldn't die when they
Speaker 1: really died. And these things are coming back, and the
Speaker 1: temple that was once close to people is reopened again.
Speaker 1: We are living in the middle of a psychedelic renaissance.
Speaker 1: And some scholars would say, others, uh say, it's already
Speaker 1: in the world all the time because it never went back.
Speaker 1: And for renaissance something something had to be disappeared. But
Speaker 1: it almost disappeared. But we are recovering it. And I
Speaker 1: wrote it for that, for women, for people to become
Speaker 1: more aware and to empower people. I want you to
Speaker 1: be stronger, better, smarter than me, and have more knowledge
Speaker 1: than me and thrive and thrive and everybody around the
Speaker 1: strict that we are all interconnected and having a good
Speaker 1: time in this planet. That we are were very surely
Speaker 1: and we can humble up and love our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, water much success on this book, and I really.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you to agree for you. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. I really appreciate your attention. And also, dear listener,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Blessings from the Netherlands big time
Speaker 1: every time. Thank you. Respect.
Speaker 2: Power Plants comes in a large book with color photos
Speaker 2: and illustrations, which really makes it great because you can
Speaker 2: identify what your local botany, your local plant life is
Speaker 2: in the area you live. And I'm serious, you can
Speaker 2: actually take this book and go out and collect enough
Speaker 2: foliage to create a salad. And if it's spraying, you're
Speaker 2: really in luck because there's a lot of blooming flowers
Speaker 2: that you can use for you know, your your salad,
Speaker 2: so all you need is addressing. Yeah, it was fun
Speaker 2: to get him on the program. I want to mention
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Speaker 2: the details. All right, that's it for this program. I
Speaker 2: want to think my guest today Walter biden Dam, coming
Speaker 2: to us from the Netherlands, as always a team of
Speaker 2: guiltour Mark Foster and Faya Bravar. You guys rock all right,
Speaker 2: take care of you well and we will talk to
Speaker 2: you next time.