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Speaker 2: episode six forty four, we had tonight's guests come on
Speaker 2: and talk about a werewolf encounter he had when he
Speaker 2: was eight. By the time he had worked his way
Speaker 2: through the details of that experience and shared some other
Speaker 2: things with us, we didn't have time to go into
Speaker 2: the three dogman encounters he had though, well that's what
Speaker 2: he came back to, you want tonight show. But having
Speaker 2: said that, Tonight's guest is Phil Cottvall. Phil, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you very much for having me. It's great
Speaker 1: to be back, and thank you for the time that
Speaker 1: you give me in sharing some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I've seen and beamfoot. I do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're welcome. I'm just so glad to
Speaker 2: do it. I don't know if the listeners enjoyed listening
Speaker 2: to you talk about your experiences more if I did, because,
Speaker 2: like I told you, behind the scenes, just just something
Speaker 2: about the way you deliver your experiences that just draws
Speaker 2: you in, It really does.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very kind of you. Thank you. Well. I'm
Speaker 1: just happy If people can take away something from my
Speaker 1: ramblings then that's great. That's great news. You know. That's
Speaker 1: all I care about really, because these things happen. These entities,
Speaker 1: these documents are out there. They do exist. I don't
Speaker 1: think they don't. Anyone listening that thinks they don't. They do.
Speaker 1: They do exist. So if anyone takes away something from
Speaker 1: this or it strikes a chord with people, then that's
Speaker 1: just fantastic. That's fantastic. I wanted to just really quickly
Speaker 1: mention about dog men. Before you go into a forest,
Speaker 1: there's an important thing to realize, and that is they
Speaker 1: will know a mile before you actually reach that wood.
Speaker 1: They will know. They will know your intention if you
Speaker 1: go armed up and going on a hunt or purposely
Speaker 1: going to find them, they will know. This is not
Speaker 1: to scare anyone going in the forest having a walk,
Speaker 1: enjoying the scenery. They're not going to do anything. They're
Speaker 1: really not going to do anything. If you go with
Speaker 1: the intent of harm, they will know. They don't. Particularly
Speaker 1: they're sentient creatures. Their cognitive abilities are supreme. They're masters
Speaker 1: of their environment. Some people say that they morph out,
Speaker 1: some people say that they go through portals. I don't
Speaker 1: believe so. I believe that a lot of times when
Speaker 1: we see them, we see them on the peripheral our
Speaker 1: vision and it's like a fleeting, black fast image, this
Speaker 1: figure flitting past us. We just catch with our ei.
Speaker 1: We can walk past a dog man, we can walk
Speaker 1: past one which is only a meter away, and we
Speaker 1: won't even know. They are masters of their environment, and
Speaker 1: so they should be. They've been out there for an
Speaker 1: awful long time. There's a guy that was called Edward
Speaker 1: be Titchener. Now he understood consciousness in free forms, sensations, images,
Speaker 1: and effective states. I'll just take a minute to think
Speaker 1: about that. Consciousness and sensation, Yeah, okay, we need we
Speaker 1: need the sensation to fire off, the fire off their
Speaker 1: synapsis and the hippocampus to say right at all, there's
Speaker 1: something there that's a sensation. Images, Yes, we do need that.
Speaker 1: We need images we need to view to take in
Speaker 1: to see what we're to know what we're seeing. And
Speaker 1: effective states. So effective states is dependent on the actual
Speaker 1: place you are in at the time, the environment you
Speaker 1: may be in the effective states. So the take, for instance, images,
Speaker 1: a lot of people take photographs, try to take photographs
Speaker 1: of dog men, and very often they come out blurry,
Speaker 1: they come out undefined, they come out pixelated. We often
Speaker 1: get photographs where we see sometimes it's very, very difficult
Speaker 1: not to be rude. Put it this way, now, I
Speaker 1: know that those people have seen what they've seen. When
Speaker 1: you come to photograph it, it just doesn't come out
Speaker 1: and it just looks like a shadow. It looks like
Speaker 1: it is ill defined. Now, my reasoning on this, with
Speaker 1: my own experience, and I'm only talking from my own
Speaker 1: experience going out looking for dog men, is with the camera.
Speaker 1: They don't so much interact with the camera. Okay. What
Speaker 1: they do have the ability to do is to move.
Speaker 1: They move very very quickly. Now, when I say they
Speaker 1: move very very quickly, I'm talking about the case where
Speaker 1: they are able to move quicker than the shutter speed
Speaker 1: then the aperture and the focal length can take in. Okay.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times, especially with digital photography, you
Speaker 1: have a set screen pixelate the amount of pixels, the
Speaker 1: amount of dots that you can see on the screen.
Speaker 1: You have a certain amount on aperture and it takes
Speaker 1: in the environment, it takes in the lighting, and it
Speaker 1: automatically adjusts the aperture for the environment. Then when a
Speaker 1: dog man comes on the scene and he's traveling at velocity,
Speaker 1: of course it doesn't have time to react. So the
Speaker 1: best way really that I can explain it, a dog
Speaker 1: man is both physical and an avatar as we will
Speaker 1: be to them. And what do I mean by that
Speaker 1: dependent on the frame rate of the witness to the entity.
Speaker 1: Phil you're talking really just spagee. Well, let's think of
Speaker 1: it this way, dog man divergence. I call it. It
Speaker 1: sees us as we see it, as if on two trains.
Speaker 1: So imagine two trains, and trains are going in opposite directions,
Speaker 1: and the lines of those trains so there there, there's
Speaker 1: a train on the left, train on the right of
Speaker 1: the tracks, and they're going on opposite directions, and those
Speaker 1: trains are going at slightly different speeds both looking. Okay,
Speaker 1: if there's me in one window looking out of a window,
Speaker 1: and on the opposite train going in the other direction
Speaker 1: a slightly different speed, there's a dog man and it's
Speaker 1: looking out the window. Now imagine that for a minute.
Speaker 1: It will be a lure up to the point, okay,
Speaker 1: where duality or time dilation sinks gravitational potential between locations ceasts.
Speaker 1: They exist physically in that moment. Only in that moment
Speaker 1: when the windows are good joined, when they're actually more
Speaker 1: or less less face it parallel to each other. We
Speaker 1: then see them as they see us, and then we
Speaker 1: travel on. And maybe maybe it may it may be
Speaker 1: a case that once they travel on, because they're on
Speaker 1: a slightly different velocity, they'll think and say, who was
Speaker 1: that guy? Is that Phil? Because we I would seem
Speaker 1: like an avatar to it. But Phil, what about footprints? What?
Speaker 1: But yes, there would be because at that particular time,
Speaker 1: at that duality, they would be physical as I would
Speaker 1: be physical to them. It's one thing which accounts for
Speaker 1: hunters when they go and say, oh, I want to
Speaker 1: shoot a dog man. But it didn't do anything. It
Speaker 1: didn't bring that dog man down. Well in the vacuum,
Speaker 1: when you drop a lead weight and you drop a feather,
Speaker 1: they both land at the same time. The velocity of
Speaker 1: a bullet will be a constant one fired from a gun.
Speaker 1: So if that dog man just say that we're on
Speaker 1: our film, we're traveling in a single frame of film.
Speaker 1: Just imagine that from it. Our lives, me talking now
Speaker 1: is on a single frame of film. I can't see
Speaker 1: the beginning of the film. I can't say the end
Speaker 1: of the It's traveling on thirty five frames plus second.
Speaker 1: That's all I know is chugging along. And we get
Speaker 1: that feeling of time not because of clocks, because clocks
Speaker 1: are just mechanical items which we use to judge time by.
Speaker 1: But the one thing which is quintessentially the governor of
Speaker 1: time is the second rule of firmodynamics, and that dictates
Speaker 1: of entropy. Everything shall a leaf will fall off a tree,
Speaker 1: and a leaf will land, and leaf will rock down
Speaker 1: into the ground. Everything goes to destruction, Everything fails, degradates.
Speaker 1: So I'm on my thirty five millimeter frame of film,
Speaker 1: one single frame of film. And if I ever gone,
Speaker 1: I try and shoot dog men. But a dog man
Speaker 1: he might be traveling at thirty six frames. He's on
Speaker 1: a single frame of film. But he's traveling at thirty
Speaker 1: six frames per second. Is that bullet going to seek purchase? No,
Speaker 1: he's going to miss it by mah, miss it by mal.
Speaker 1: It will seek purchase in the tree probably in our
Speaker 1: time frame, but not in its time frame. So that's
Speaker 1: just one idea of why these And there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk from a lot of people that have
Speaker 1: said and I'm not saying it wrong. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I probably am wrong. It's just theory, but I e
Speaker 1: gauge this theory on actual experience of seeing. In the
Speaker 1: pusher of my vision is thing going through a wood
Speaker 1: that I would struggle to get through with the brambles,
Speaker 1: the forms, the thicket. You can't travel that quickly through
Speaker 1: the forest. You can't travel that quickly through any wood
Speaker 1: like that, and no sound. It's almost as if the
Speaker 1: environment doesn't our environment we see dog men in our
Speaker 1: environment doesn't seem to make an impact on dog man
Speaker 1: in our environment. So I think some of the traits
Speaker 1: that they have that we call supernatural are supernatural. And
Speaker 1: I think probably that they are able two have improved site,
Speaker 1: they are able to have improved hearing. They are able
Speaker 1: when they're on this realm to have those facets that
Speaker 1: we lost long ago I think we did. We still
Speaker 1: have vestiges of supernatural ability. How many times do people
Speaker 1: go into a room just so we go into a
Speaker 1: room's crowded full of people, and we look around, but
Speaker 1: there's that one person we think you know something about,
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to them, but it's just something about the
Speaker 1: way they look, something about them that just no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. It's a gut feeling. And yet there's
Speaker 1: other people that you just automatically, you haven't spoken to
Speaker 1: them before, you just know. You just bond. You just
Speaker 1: bond as places you go to and everyone's had this
Speaker 1: and you get that gut feeling. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go up there anyway. No, it just seems wrong. That's
Speaker 1: our gut feeling. That's part of that supernatural ability we
Speaker 1: used to have, but society is has battered it out
Speaker 1: of us. You've got to get a job, you've got
Speaker 1: to earn money. You've got to then pay rent. Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got by clothes, Okay, I'm yeah, I guess I hear.
Speaker 1: So you've got to shun nature. We've got to jump
Speaker 1: on board society and you've got to forget the older ways.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying about the old ways as in
Speaker 1: more pagan ways, No, I'm just staying from the point
Speaker 1: of view of knowing nature, knowing our abilities that we
Speaker 1: used to have, that we did have, And I think
Speaker 1: that when we're so surprised seeing dog Man with his
Speaker 1: abilities that he has, shouldn't really be that surprised because
Speaker 1: he's still got his supernatural abilities. It's just that we've
Speaker 1: forgotten ours because of outside factors. So yeah, that was
Speaker 1: my take on dog Man, really, Vic and how I
Speaker 1: figured that it's interacting with us.
Speaker 2: That's off to you, Phil, That's got to be the
Speaker 2: most impressive, in my opinion, accurate explanation for why they're
Speaker 2: so difficult to film, why they can do so many
Speaker 2: of these things that just normally defy explanation. I'm really impressed.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, obviously it's open for debate,
Speaker 1: but it's as I say, it's just my take on
Speaker 1: things from experience and reading up and you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of acknowledging some of the things that some of
Speaker 1: the traits they have see. I also believe that now
Speaker 1: a lot of people were going to say, because the
Speaker 1: dog man in a way gets dog man, do get
Speaker 1: really bad rap, And I'm not. I'm not completely against that.
Speaker 1: You know, there is there is some which are okay,
Speaker 1: dog man going plans. They do going clans. Okay, Now
Speaker 1: there's certain rules they have as well. They have rules.
Speaker 1: If they're found too have there's a dog band which
Speaker 1: has unlived a pregnant female, then they are unlive themselves
Speaker 1: by the clan unless they leave escape if you like,
Speaker 1: and that's when you get the rogue single dogment. It's
Speaker 1: much the same like with.
Speaker 3: H They they have a they have.
Speaker 1: Rules they have to abide by. They have to abide
Speaker 1: by them. They're not just reckless animals monsters out in
Speaker 1: the forest, which they are sentient, they're cognitive, they're thinking creatures.
Speaker 1: The one thing which differs with them because of their
Speaker 1: supernatural abilities, they're also instinctial and they can't help it.
Speaker 1: If there's a dog, they will they will attack that dog.
Speaker 1: If they can attack that dog, they will and if
Speaker 1: that's your dog, they will attack that dog. Cats they
Speaker 1: will torture. They will torture a cat. So that's that's
Speaker 1: another thing which they're quite well known to do. Now
Speaker 1: people say, well, okay, now I know myself like other
Speaker 1: people have that I've been near a dog man and
Speaker 1: it gives you that feeling of fear. It's just fearful.
Speaker 1: Why does it do that? Why does it give you
Speaker 1: that feeling of fear like it's going to like it
Speaker 1: wants to attack or take your head off. You know, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a byproduct of it's supernatural abilities. I believe it's
Speaker 1: part of what it is, what it does, it's part
Speaker 1: of it's if you like its infrasound defense system. Doesn't
Speaker 1: do it on purpose, it's just part of what it is.
Speaker 1: You have to remember that these things there, they when
Speaker 1: they're in this realm, when they're in this environment, they
Speaker 1: have to be very stealthy, and they're very good at
Speaker 1: being stealthy. But if they do come across us, then
Speaker 1: we will interpret their them themselves as being on intent
Speaker 1: to harm. But we have to we have to take
Speaker 1: on board one thing, and that is how many witnesses
Speaker 1: have come forward. Quite a few witnesses, you know, the
Speaker 1: VIC show many many witnesses. How many witnesses have actually
Speaker 1: been her injured or bitten? How many witnesses have been
Speaker 1: taken away? How many witnesses have lived to tell their account? Yes,
Speaker 1: I know they have taken animals. And I'm the first one.
Speaker 1: I'm the first one to be absolutely. I've got dogs myself.
Speaker 1: I've devastated. I know. There's one account I'll talk about
Speaker 1: where I had to with me and it really annoyed immensely.
Speaker 1: It annoyed the documents that were there, but the witnesses themselves. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you get that feeling, Yes, you get that fear feeling. Yes,
Speaker 1: you get a fear factor. But that's a byproduct of
Speaker 1: their supernatural ability. That's what they have, Like crocodiles, like elephants,
Speaker 1: they have that infrasound byproduct their ability. And it's not
Speaker 1: just with you, it's with the bubble of silence that
Speaker 1: happens in the forest when they're near the witness walks
Speaker 1: into a part of the wood. I've done the same,
Speaker 1: and it's the best way I can describe it as
Speaker 1: a bubble. You're walking into a bubble and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you just noticed that boy is quiet, I
Speaker 1: mean really silly quiet. It's like just nothing. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no sound at all, a birds, nothing, It's just
Speaker 1: absolutely quiet. It's because it's not just us. It's not
Speaker 1: just us that recognizes that this entity we call dog
Speaker 1: man is in the area. It's supernatural. Birthy is infrasound,
Speaker 1: is able to permeate through that bubble in that forest
Speaker 1: and all all of those animals. It is a premum
Speaker 1: premium predator. Think of it that way. It is a
Speaker 1: top of the tree predator. Well, what gets me is
Speaker 1: with evolution, all animals are honed by diet, prey, an environment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: polar bears are built the way they are built, huge
Speaker 1: and white because they blend in you get an all
Speaker 1: manner of animals. Grizzlies why they built the way they're
Speaker 1: built because they spend a lot of their time in
Speaker 1: the woods. That's where they spend their time. And their
Speaker 1: predatory birds why they built the way they're built because
Speaker 1: they're not so predatory they're offering sects. But environment and
Speaker 1: prey hone the evolution of an animal. It's physicality. It
Speaker 1: molds as it has done with us. We wear clothes.
Speaker 1: Hence we're not hairy all over. Well some maybe, I
Speaker 1: mean I won't talk about the ex wife, but but
Speaker 1: a lot of times with evolution, it's it is the
Speaker 1: preying environment. So it begs the question, what then, being
Speaker 1: type free dog man? The dog man we know that
Speaker 1: builds with the large claws, big teeth, long muzzle, diamond shape,
Speaker 1: upper body filtering down into a smaller waist, and massive,
Speaker 1: big powerful legs. Digit grade legs with a hook. Has
Speaker 1: it got that Well, it's because it's instantaneous acceleration, like
Speaker 1: a dog has that ability, and when you see them run,
Speaker 1: it reminds me they've got that flexation in their legs.
Speaker 1: When you see one run, you can see its flex
Speaker 1: It flexes its legs in such a manner as a cheetah.
Speaker 1: Ward cheetable has almost like a boomerang spine. It has
Speaker 1: a lot of flexation on the spine, so it's able
Speaker 1: to actually it's able to flex its spine and then
Speaker 1: shoot straight off, so it kind of like careers off
Speaker 1: like a boomerang. That's what it gets up to speed.
Speaker 1: Exactly the same with digit grade legs. Evolutions made it
Speaker 1: so that it's instantaneous acceleration evolutions made it so it's
Speaker 1: got a massive, big claws. But it begs the point,
Speaker 1: what is it that praise on to warrant those claws,
Speaker 1: those digit grade legs, the speed of it. Did you
Speaker 1: want to hear my theory on what I believe that
Speaker 1: dog Man is actually here for.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I believe with dog Man that they are predatory.
Speaker 1: I also believe even though they're on us, they're able
Speaker 1: to's call it. They're no more felt. But they use
Speaker 1: velocity to skip framed. Okay, so they go faster than
Speaker 1: our frame of time. They can just instantly bomb gone.
Speaker 1: The way they look and the way they are, there's
Speaker 1: nothing on God's planet which would warrant such a a
Speaker 1: a predator. I mean, it's not until your you see one.
Speaker 1: People out there that I have seen them, and I
Speaker 1: know you've seen them, will be the first to agree
Speaker 1: with me that it's like nothing else on earth. These
Speaker 1: things they do stay with you because they are just
Speaker 1: a catch your parents' time. It's just a massive and
Speaker 1: they look so just I still have nightmares now, I
Speaker 1: still have nightmares and I'm fifty nine years old. I
Speaker 1: still have nightmares and my interaction was years and years ago.
Speaker 1: What could it possibly take down? Why is it built? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that it's built because it's part of It's
Speaker 1: part of Earth. If you like, it's Earth's warrior, it's
Speaker 1: Earth's soldier, it's the planet's soldier. No. I know there's
Speaker 1: people out there that all love and that's fine. I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. It's just a theory. But
Speaker 1: just wait one second. If as we all know that,
Speaker 1: we feel it. I feel it. There is something on
Speaker 1: the horizon. There's something coming. There's something which governments and
Speaker 1: agencies are not telling us, but we've felt it for
Speaker 1: quite some time now. There's something. There's some rumblings going on.
Speaker 1: When you think about aliens. I think that with the
Speaker 1: aliens and alien accounts, they're the true horrific ones the grace.
Speaker 1: There's not one. There's not one single witness testimony that's
Speaker 1: come back of an abduction where they haven't suffered extreme
Speaker 1: memory loss PTSD. They've been experimented on, they've been probed,
Speaker 1: they've had objects placed under their skin. These people have
Speaker 1: really not had a good time. These entities that take
Speaker 1: them don't seem to almost childlike in their understanding of humanity.
Speaker 1: They have no idea the pain and suffering they're causing.
Speaker 1: Very often that the bacts, he will be on the
Speaker 1: table and crying. They're absolutely in tears. Why are you
Speaker 1: doing this? Why are doing to me? And the gray
Speaker 1: will turn around on them, whatever entity is taken, or
Speaker 1: we'll turn around that will say why are you crying? Well,
Speaker 1: of course we're crying. We're emotional beings. If as I
Speaker 1: feel that something is on the horizon, if as I
Speaker 1: feel that they would pose a threat, then I think
Speaker 1: dog Man would be the one and the clans would
Speaker 1: be the ones which would eradicate and it would nullify
Speaker 1: that threat. They would protect the planet. It's one thing
Speaker 1: that they will do. They will protect the planet just
Speaker 1: to really, you know, grind it inward people. And I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry about this. With Bigfoot, I do honestly think
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot is part of the alien agenda. I say
Speaker 1: that because a lot of times when UFOs land, there's
Speaker 1: been so many cases when UFOs are spotted, there's very
Speaker 1: often people have spotted a bigfoot in the area, and
Speaker 1: that's happened many, many, many times. How many times has
Speaker 1: it been to a dog man let me ask you
Speaker 1: that how many times, Oh, we saw an alien, it
Speaker 1: just landed over the then we saw a dog man. No,
Speaker 1: what you will see is you'll see a dog man
Speaker 1: after the fact, but you'll see a dog man traveling
Speaker 1: or going to the area. The dog man, I believe
Speaker 1: is here. And what we're what I'm getting, what witnesses
Speaker 1: are getting, is part of its supernatural ability. It's part
Speaker 1: of what it does. It's predatory, it's part of its makeup.
Speaker 1: And we're getting that fear, we're getting all the the
Speaker 1: rest of its abilities. We're picking up on it. It's here.
Speaker 1: I think it's always been here, and I think it
Speaker 1: is a protector. Yeah, and that's what I think. That
Speaker 1: that's what I believe anywhere. It's what I've come to realize.
Speaker 2: You've put a lot of thoughts into this avenue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I kind of like a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there. And I'm not saying I'm right,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of people out there. I uh,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put the pieces of that jigsaw together,
Speaker 1: you know. Ah now it Yeah, some just don't fit
Speaker 1: and others do fit into the frame. But the ones
Speaker 1: which are fitting seem to be the ones that I'm mentioning,
Speaker 1: but you know, who knows who knows? You know, I
Speaker 1: do honestly believe you're right as well, Vic that they
Speaker 1: have been militarized, that they were. There is a place
Speaker 1: over here, and that place was closed down in nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: but people will know it if you google it. It
Speaker 1: was called it's it's still called Porter Down and they've
Speaker 1: done a lot of chemical and virus testing there. Stars
Speaker 1: was tested there and developed another really nasty bugs and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now I know that there was a there was a
Speaker 1: chap I spoke to, and this is many years ago. Now.
Speaker 1: It was back in the time when urban explorers were
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the big thing, and there was
Speaker 1: three guys that yeah, there was three guys because the
Speaker 1: girl didn't go in in the end, but there's three
Speaker 1: guys that went into. It's not used anymore, all of them.
Speaker 1: But I did hear that they went in and they
Speaker 1: found that it was like a doorway. It was a
Speaker 1: doorway in the ground. It was like two cellar doors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're getting a house when you open up the
Speaker 1: two cellar doors on the ground and they'd like flip open,
Speaker 1: you go downstairs. Case it's kind of like that anyway.
Speaker 1: They said it was open, but you'll guess as good
Speaker 1: as mine. I probably don't believe them, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's this huge base, if you like. But they went
Speaker 1: down there and they said they took footage. That footage
Speaker 1: has since disappeared, but they took footage of cages down
Speaker 1: under there, so if you can measure it. I was
Speaker 1: described to me as like a long, long corridor and
Speaker 1: to the left and right of them as they're walking
Speaker 1: down and it was like a dripping water because it's underground,
Speaker 1: so it's like kind of disused now, but to the
Speaker 1: left and right these cages like cells. She liked. But
Speaker 1: they said that the walls just claws, claw marks in
Speaker 1: the walls, just deep claw marks. Now, one of the
Speaker 1: guys said, went on. The other two kind of they
Speaker 1: kind of like freaked when they got to the end
Speaker 1: of the corridor because they could hear howling. Two of
Speaker 1: the guys freaked and went out, ran down the corridor
Speaker 1: and went out. The last guy he went on a
Speaker 1: little way. As far as I know, they didn't see
Speaker 1: him again as far as I know, And there was
Speaker 1: no investigations. I understand. This is just what I've been told.
Speaker 1: The footage that the guys had, the two guys that
Speaker 1: ran out, they had video footage that disappeared, but the
Speaker 1: last thing they said they heard was howling. And I
Speaker 1: think there is basis both in the UK and in
Speaker 1: the States, which have and probably do militarize they make
Speaker 1: these into military soldiers. They genetically splice them with other
Speaker 1: DNA and they make them militarized. I don't think it.
Speaker 1: It may not work entirely, and I think the ones
Speaker 1: that they try it and do it on, I think
Speaker 1: that they go into kill mode. Because remember these things,
Speaker 1: even though they're they're they're they're sentient, they're understanding, they're
Speaker 1: still instinctual. And if you militarize that and they've still
Speaker 1: got animal the animal instinct as well as that, as
Speaker 1: well as superior strength, as well as fantastical speed, instantaneous acceleration,
Speaker 1: then you're creating a weapon that really cannot be controlled
Speaker 1: and shouldn't be about. So whether those are still with us,
Speaker 1: whether they're still used, I don't notice anyone's guess, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a scary fact. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: you're quite correct that they have in the past done that,
Speaker 1: and I think they would make great soldiers. Let's face it,
Speaker 1: they would make great super soldiers. But being that there
Speaker 1: hasn't been that many there has been accounts, but not
Speaker 1: that many accounts when it comes to sightings with super soldiers.
Speaker 1: But then you see, well, when you when you when
Speaker 1: you go into military archives and you're trying to get
Speaker 1: freedom of information released about something like that, you're just
Speaker 1: not going to get it. And I suspect any well,
Speaker 1: God help them. Let's face it, any enemy facing even
Speaker 1: two or three of those, if they've been if they've
Speaker 1: been suppliced at DNA to create a military weapon, a
Speaker 1: weapon's gray dog man, God help any enemy, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: probably be around to tell the tale that you know,
Speaker 1: or at least be a witness. There's no way.
Speaker 2: There definitely wouldn't be considering all the abilities they obviously
Speaker 2: have in addition to them being so formidable, How do
Speaker 2: you think it would be possible to force dog men
Speaker 2: to follow orders?
Speaker 1: No? Easy? Yeah, no, they would. I think they would
Speaker 1: done easily follow orders because I think the chemical that
Speaker 1: when they get spliced, they would also have to have
Speaker 1: a symbiotic relationship with the handler, so they would have
Speaker 1: to be both a chemical tracer and a I would
Speaker 1: suspect they would have to be like a implantation within
Speaker 1: the hippocampus itself for the handler, because there would only
Speaker 1: be one handler for that one soldier. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a case of just giving it orders and off it goes.
Speaker 1: It would have to be regulated. It would then have
Speaker 1: to be monitored. They would know it's heartbeat, they would
Speaker 1: know it's they would know its blood pressure, they would
Speaker 1: know it's it's probably even to the point of they
Speaker 1: may even have had techn now I think even years ago,
Speaker 1: and this would have been probably in the fifties sixties
Speaker 1: at its height that this probably was going on. And
Speaker 1: since then we've kind of like had rogue ones which
Speaker 1: were even escaped from bases. Because you have to remember
Speaker 1: that a lot of times with witnesses, they often see
Speaker 1: soldiers themselves, yourself often see dogmen buy military bases. You yourself.
Speaker 1: I've listened to a lot of your people that have
Speaker 1: come forward on your show, and they often have said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, we were stationed at Merchi Base. I used
Speaker 1: to be at Merchi based, were out maneuvers. We saw
Speaker 1: a dog man in the forest because they they they've
Speaker 1: still instinctually got that symbiotic relationship. They will still have that.
Speaker 1: There'll be rogues, they'll be single, they won't be part
Speaker 1: of a clan that be ousted by the plan. If
Speaker 1: they go back to the plan, they'll be unlived their rogue.
Speaker 1: They've been worked on, they've been militarized. There's symbiotic both
Speaker 1: be chemical tracer and also it would be an electrical
Speaker 1: input which will be sent from giving instructions. So it's
Speaker 1: it's not a robot. It's not been robotized. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not it's not mechanical. It's still a dog man.
Speaker 1: It's still flesh blood in this realm. But it's monitored
Speaker 1: and it's given instruction by one single handler, and I
Speaker 1: think that would be the way it would be governed
Speaker 1: and given instruction.
Speaker 2: Vic, You've definitely got some interesting theories about all this.
Speaker 2: You have put a lot of time into this. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Yeah, as I say, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: I've listened to a lot. I've listened to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and you know, it's another thing when you
Speaker 1: listen to people's accounts. It's funny the amount of times
Speaker 1: that these accounts they bleed over on to one another.
Speaker 1: People have the same type of experiences, the same observations
Speaker 1: of this same entity. So it's it's nothing which is
Speaker 1: really quite unusual, that's laughable, but it's everyone has the
Speaker 1: same feelings when they meet them. We have to look
Speaker 1: at those commonalities and we have to put those commonalities together. So, okay, right,
Speaker 1: they exude the feeling of fear, that's the first thing
Speaker 1: we get that. That's okay, But I've explained that that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's a byproduct. They also have lightning fast speed. Okay, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. Well, that's their evolutionary makeup. That's their digit
Speaker 1: grade legs, their hooked legs, that's their they're gone. That
Speaker 1: also goes partly because they can't be captured on film.
Speaker 1: Why can't they be captured on film? Because you know,
Speaker 1: even with some of the state of the art cameras
Speaker 1: that we have now, which are doing one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty frames per second one hundred and twenty frames individual
Speaker 1: frames per second, it's shooting at four K, even AK
Speaker 1: still can't get them because they're on a different velocity
Speaker 1: to mauk. They're on a slightly different frame when they
Speaker 1: five off and they kick off and they move, they're
Speaker 1: moving it a slight, a different velocity, which gives them
Speaker 1: the ability to us it looks like they're all for now.
Speaker 1: They then become avatars. There's much the same with when
Speaker 1: you go into the quantum realm and you go into
Speaker 1: neutrinos and everyone's looking for now. They've got the neutrino
Speaker 1: detector in Antarctica miles down, these probes miles down just
Speaker 1: to try and because when the trinos go through the ice,
Speaker 1: they react with certain atoms within the ice which can
Speaker 1: then be detected. Because these neutrinos, as we're talking at
Speaker 1: the moment, as you're listening, there's millions of neutrinos going
Speaker 1: through you. And as neutrinos will come from space deep space,
Speaker 1: but they're traveling so quickly. Now. Unlike photons, photons don't
Speaker 1: have mass, Photons carry light, they don't have any mass.
Speaker 1: Neutrinos do have mass, only small, but they do have mass.
Speaker 1: And what they're trying to find at the moment is
Speaker 1: relic neutrinos. Just a few minutes, a few minutes after
Speaker 1: the Big Bang, these relic neutrinos were let loose into
Speaker 1: the universe and they're trying to to detect those. Why
Speaker 1: do I mention neutrino is because of velocity. They used
Speaker 1: to try and detect them before Antarctica and Antarctic google
Speaker 1: it the Antarctic detector. They used to use mines so
Speaker 1: deep underground minds are people that no longer use gold mine,
Speaker 1: silver mines, copper minds. They used to use those, and
Speaker 1: they used to go to the deepest part of the
Speaker 1: mine and they put on a lead plate, massive, big
Speaker 1: lead plate just to try and slow the neutrino up
Speaker 1: enough to capture it. Now, I use that as a
Speaker 1: vague analogy to dog men and it's supernatural ability. It
Speaker 1: goes on a different velocity, but we take it to
Speaker 1: be it's morphed out. No, no, no, it has actually
Speaker 1: morphed out. Oh it's gone for a portal. No, it
Speaker 1: has actually portals. Do exist, don't get me wrong. Do exist.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely one hundred percent behind the fact that they exist.
Speaker 1: But I'm also one hundred percent behind the fact that
Speaker 1: dog man is nature's own predator, ultimate top of the
Speaker 1: tree predator. It doesn't need it doesn't need bottles. Bigfoot
Speaker 1: may Bigfoot does Bigfoot does, but then Bigfoot is a
Speaker 1: totally different kettle fish. Bigfoot is not indigenous to Earth.
Speaker 1: I'll probably get a lot of flak for that, but
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll fight my corner. It's not indigenous to Earth.
Speaker 1: Dog Man I believe is well.
Speaker 2: Like I said, you've got some interesting theories that definitely
Speaker 2: seem to be well thought through. I'm sure a lot
Speaker 2: of people listening to tonight's show are gonna, unfortunately disagree
Speaker 2: with some of the things that you said, but they
Speaker 2: can believe what they want. They can refuse to believe
Speaker 2: what they don't want to believe, but they can't say
Speaker 2: that you haven't thought this through. So have to give
Speaker 2: you credit having said all of that, Phil, You've got
Speaker 2: three dog mean encounters, so you haven't shared with this yet.
Speaker 2: So instead of asking you to tell us about those
Speaker 2: dog mean encounters tonight, I'd like to ask you some
Speaker 2: questions here to round this show out. If you'd be
Speaker 2: interested in coming back for a part three where you
Speaker 2: told us about your dog mean encounters.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, that'd be great, thank you, Vic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not at all, Yeah, far away with questions.
Speaker 2: That's fine, great, Well, we'll do it that way. Then
Speaker 2: you said that you think dog men are likely going
Speaker 2: to eradicate the Grays if things go to pot with
Speaker 2: the Grays. That is, how do you think dog men
Speaker 2: could overcome the grays technology.
Speaker 1: Though, Well, because the Grays don't really have technology, we
Speaker 1: believe that they have ships UFOs. Once again, they're much
Speaker 1: aligned with the military side of things. With militarizing dogmen,
Speaker 1: there'll be a handler, there'll be one single pilot of
Speaker 1: an organic what we take to be UFO. So these UFOs,
Speaker 1: you have to look. When you look closer at the
Speaker 1: UFOs that we see, they tend to morph, they tend
Speaker 1: to change shape. These ships can also have instantaneous acceleration.
Speaker 1: They can go eighteen thousand g's. They can go up
Speaker 1: eight thousand g's with ease and then do a ninety
Speaker 1: degree term. Anything organic on some would be mush turned
Speaker 1: to soup. So how does it do it? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well that there has been there's been theories that they
Speaker 1: actually create gravity around them. They create a bubble if
Speaker 1: you like, so they pull instead of pushing with frost
Speaker 1: as we do with rocketry and engines where we thrust
Speaker 1: our way through the atmosphere. They actually create their own
Speaker 1: gravity around the ship. I really believe that these craft
Speaker 1: that we see are actually organic, so you can take
Speaker 1: them to be creatures in a way. They're grown that
Speaker 1: they have a pilot, they have a handler. Technology wise,
Speaker 1: do you know what I think we deem to be. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's really high tech what they've got, and they can
Speaker 1: do such maneuvers. I think is once again a case
Speaker 1: that these craft are organic. They're able to do it
Speaker 1: as much as a we see a hummingbird, and we
Speaker 1: look at a hummingbird ware, how does it able to
Speaker 1: flick around so quickly and do those incredible turns and
Speaker 1: maneuvers at such speed we can't even take in by
Speaker 1: been watching it. It's much the same if they had
Speaker 1: that technology. I think I think we like the idea
Speaker 1: of technology, and I think we're at home to the
Speaker 1: idea of technology. We're very adaptable to the idea of technology.
Speaker 1: If you were to take a mobile phone now and
Speaker 1: take it back a hundred years ago, they'd be looking
Speaker 1: at it and going what is that? But we've kind
Speaker 1: of and kids nowadays have have grown into the digital
Speaker 1: life really easily. They've adopted it so easily, almost too easily.
Speaker 1: It's like we're triggered for it. Uh, And I think
Speaker 1: that's what we tend to grab hold of. We tend
Speaker 1: to grab hold of the fact of technology. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not rick, maybe it's not Maybe it is organic. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's more organic than we realized. And that's the big show,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the big rollover that they're going to
Speaker 1: come out with it. It's a bit like that film Nope,
Speaker 1: you know, when the ship and they're going, you know,
Speaker 1: and it looked like a cloud and it just morphed
Speaker 1: and changed and it was actually an organic entity. So
Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, it would cope. I think
Speaker 1: dog Man would cope. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It seems like before you come to a conclusion about anything,
Speaker 2: you definitely do put a lot of thought into it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, this isn't any different than the other things
Speaker 2: that we talked about. It sounds like you've put a
Speaker 2: lot of thought into this as well. You never cease
Speaker 2: to impress, you really don't.
Speaker 1: No, thank you. I appreciate that really, especially coming from you. Man.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. But yeah, I'm just telling them like
Speaker 2: it is now. Phil, you made some definitive statements about
Speaker 2: the behavior of dog Men on not being critical of you.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand here. How do you know
Speaker 2: those things that you said about them are definitely true,
Speaker 2: such as how clean how a pack is going to
Speaker 2: deal with a dog man that steps out of line
Speaker 2: by doing this or doing that.
Speaker 1: I came to that conclusion because they would have to
Speaker 1: have rules, and with people also that have come forward
Speaker 1: and spoken to us, and with my own experience, they
Speaker 1: don't and haven't. I wouldn't. I'm alive anything that is pregnant.
Speaker 1: I've never known that. I believe they do travel impacts.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I believe that is because when
Speaker 1: I first started this, and people might be thinking what
Speaker 1: we feel, well, why do you call yourself on YouTube
Speaker 1: dog man TP hunting? What's the TP hunt? What? What
Speaker 1: kind of cooking things out? Ah? Well, it's because I
Speaker 1: used to go out with my dogs into wards and
Speaker 1: how I used to track dog men, and the way
Speaker 1: I used to track them was using what they left behind. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that every tpe structure, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that every X that we see in every y made
Speaker 1: up a branches we see is down to dog men.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of tepee structures that we see a bushcraft.
Speaker 1: There's a lot which is made by the the Young
Speaker 1: Army Cadet Force, but they always believe in the ethos
Speaker 1: of if you use it, you then dis use it,
Speaker 1: you take it down again, you don't leave it up.
Speaker 1: You do get bushcraft, you do get kids going out
Speaker 1: making shelters, but you don't often get kids going out
Speaker 1: hiking for an hour into a thick wood thick wood
Speaker 1: and then coming across a shelter or a TP structure
Speaker 1: or an X. One of the reasons I believe that
Speaker 1: they're traveling clans is because they leave the xes behind,
Speaker 1: not the very big ones, but the smaller ones they
Speaker 1: leave behind, and I think you have to read them.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit like hieroglyphics. Think of it like hieroglyphics,
Speaker 1: but a three dimensional hieroglyphics. And if you are to
Speaker 1: use that X structure as crosshairs in the gun sight
Speaker 1: and follow the X, it will lead you onto a
Speaker 1: TP structure. It will lead you on to something else.
Speaker 1: It will lead you on to a gathering spot. And
Speaker 1: you'll know a gathering spot because a gathering spot will
Speaker 1: have fallen trees around like benches in a kind of
Speaker 1: circle with the TP structures a lot of them. They've
Speaker 1: got a central spy and then they've got branches coming
Speaker 1: down on them. Now, if it's bushcraft, then they would
Speaker 1: be using what it's called a spud, and a spud
Speaker 1: takes off any burs on the wood so that it
Speaker 1: enables a bushcrafter to put a canopy over the top
Speaker 1: to protect them from the rain or to protect them
Speaker 1: from the wind. There's not a lot of point in
Speaker 1: building a shelter if you haven't got protection from wind
Speaker 1: or rain. But these structures don't have that protection from
Speaker 1: wind and rain. They don't have ferns on them, they
Speaker 1: don't have impacted mud grasses that open the open spines.
Speaker 1: And I think that once again is a language. And
Speaker 1: I think when you find them and they're out in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, that's a language. And that's basically
Speaker 1: they will use a scout, and a scout goes on
Speaker 1: the head and the scout leaves the configuration, belts it
Speaker 1: together and it makes it really quickly. Uses branches which
Speaker 1: are always you won't ever find any of the branches
Speaker 1: on these structures, which are newly cut off trees or
Speaker 1: broken off trees. They are all gathered backbreakingly, all gathered
Speaker 1: off the forest or wood floor, and then put up
Speaker 1: into a structure as a telltale sign. Who who would
Speaker 1: actually do that? So you know it's you would You
Speaker 1: would saw down a branch, branches you wouldn't backbreakingly pick
Speaker 1: up from the forest floor around you all the branches
Speaker 1: to put together. They do. They do for reason because
Speaker 1: it's sending a message to the plan that's following. This
Speaker 1: is the direction going in, and it gives information eg uh, prey,
Speaker 1: type of prey, quantity of prey. It's just unfortunate. I
Speaker 1: as yet don't know how to read those. Not yet,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But there is a commonality with them
Speaker 1: throughout the world that wherever they're found, always in a
Speaker 1: deeper part of woods. For forests, they've got the same
Speaker 1: bill type, a central spine and branches coming off to
Speaker 1: left them right, almost looking like a rib cage. And
Speaker 1: they're all branches off the forest floor, all deadwood branches,
Speaker 1: all stacked up neatly. A lot of them are intertwined,
Speaker 1: woven into each other, quite complicated. But again they don't
Speaker 1: give any They give purchase for strength, but they don't
Speaker 1: offer any protection for wind or rain vig.
Speaker 2: If you found that many structures that they've made, I'm
Speaker 2: sure at least on the occasion, one or two of
Speaker 2: these guys have been around when you found these structures.
Speaker 2: And if that was the keys, I wonder what they
Speaker 2: thought about you finding them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that I've had. I've had a few hairy,
Speaker 1: hairy occasions. Pardon the pun, I've had a few hairy occasions. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, if you if you take
Speaker 1: dogs with you, you look, Look, I don't want to
Speaker 1: scare anyone. If you go in the wood, it's brilliant
Speaker 1: take your dogs with you. They are not going to interfere.
Speaker 1: If they don't, why should they expel energy on something
Speaker 1: that's not a threat. Even if you've got dogs, it's
Speaker 1: not a threat. They're not going to show themselves or
Speaker 1: expel energy needlessly. They will, however, register the fact that
Speaker 1: your intent is to harm. They will register that. They
Speaker 1: will even register that before you get into the wood.
Speaker 1: They have that ability. They know these entities know that,
Speaker 1: and then yes, then they will they will. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they think of it. They probably
Speaker 1: think I'm a I don't know. I think they're beer
Speaker 1: mused to be honest, week, I think they just look
Speaker 1: at me like some oddity.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are still a lot of things
Speaker 2: about you they don't understand, so to them, you probably
Speaker 2: are an oddity, but you could be a lot worse,
Speaker 2: so I would worry about that. Phil, we're out of time.
Speaker 2: Are you sure you'd be up for coming back to
Speaker 2: tell us about your dog me and encounters? And I've
Speaker 2: got plenty of questions for you still.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. I've got three really really
Speaker 1: good accounts and also one very interesting legacy account that
Speaker 1: happened to me when I was younger. I was twelve
Speaker 1: years old, and I think people will find that that's
Speaker 1: a quite scary one. Though, that's quite scary one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to share that one.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's greatly. I would have pressed you to tell
Speaker 2: us about your encounters in the confines of this particular episode,
Speaker 2: but it's been a long time since I've had somebody
Speaker 2: come on and just talk dog men, someone who studies
Speaker 2: the topic, just come on and share their knowledge with this.
Speaker 2: In fact, if there any other researchers out there, investigators
Speaker 2: out there, who would like to come on and do
Speaker 2: the same thing, share their discoveries their opinions. By all means,
Speaker 2: please let me know. I'd love to bring you on.
Speaker 2: Just go to Dogmandcounters dot com and submit a report.
Speaker 2: But having said all that, Phil, I can't thank you
Speaker 2: enough for coming back on to do this, and of
Speaker 2: course I'm looking forward to having you back for part three.
Speaker 1: Now you're more welcome. Thank you, Vick, and for anyone
Speaker 1: out there, everyone out there, I just want to say, Nick,
Speaker 1: people loved you when you came on our show dog
Speaker 1: Men TP Hunting on YouTube. People are still raving about you.
Speaker 1: They still they just love you. Man.
Speaker 2: I never will understand that why anyone would do that.
Speaker 2: But thanks again so much for having me on and
Speaker 2: everyone listening. So that you know, I'm going to post
Speaker 2: a link to that show where I came on Phil's
Speaker 2: show and he interviewed me and we had a good
Speaker 2: talk about dog Men. I'm going to post a link
Speaker 2: to that show in the description for tonight's show. That'll
Speaker 2: make it really easy to find that.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you on again one time, if
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Oh, by all means, yeah, just let me know on
Speaker 2: definitely we'll set that up. But having said that, thanks again,
Speaker 2: so much and have a great night