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<v Speaker 2>Dogmanencounters dot com. Forward Slash podcast. Two weeks ago, on

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<v Speaker 2>episode six forty four, we had tonight's guests come on

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about a werewolf encounter he had when he

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<v Speaker 2>was eight. By the time he had worked his way

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<v Speaker 2>through the details of that experience and shared some other

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<v Speaker 2>things with us, we didn't have time to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the three dogman encounters he had though, well that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he came back to, you want tonight show. But having

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<v Speaker 2>said that, Tonight's guest is Phil Cottvall. Phil, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you very much for having me. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>to be back, and thank you for the time that

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<v Speaker 1>you give me in sharing some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen and beamfoot. I do appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you're welcome. I'm just so glad to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I don't know if the listeners enjoyed listening

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<v Speaker 2>to you talk about your experiences more if I did, because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I told you, behind the scenes, just just something

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<v Speaker 2>about the way you deliver your experiences that just draws

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<v Speaker 2>you in, It really does.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's very kind of you. Thank you. Well. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just happy If people can take away something from my

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<v Speaker 1>ramblings then that's great. That's great news. You know. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all I care about really, because these things happen. These entities,

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<v Speaker 1>these documents are out there. They do exist. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they don't. Anyone listening that thinks they don't. They do.

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<v Speaker 1>They do exist. So if anyone takes away something from

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<v Speaker 1>this or it strikes a chord with people, then that's

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<v Speaker 1>just fantastic. That's fantastic. I wanted to just really quickly

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<v Speaker 1>mention about dog men. Before you go into a forest,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an important thing to realize, and that is they

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<v Speaker 1>will know a mile before you actually reach that wood.

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<v Speaker 1>They will know. They will know your intention if you

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<v Speaker 1>go armed up and going on a hunt or purposely

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<v Speaker 1>going to find them, they will know. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>to scare anyone going in the forest having a walk,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying the scenery. They're not going to do anything. They're

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<v Speaker 1>really not going to do anything. If you go with

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<v Speaker 1>the intent of harm, they will know. They don't. Particularly

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<v Speaker 1>they're sentient creatures. Their cognitive abilities are supreme. They're masters

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<v Speaker 1>of their environment. Some people say that they morph out,

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<v Speaker 1>some people say that they go through portals. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe so. I believe that a lot of times when

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<v Speaker 1>we see them, we see them on the peripheral our

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<v Speaker 1>vision and it's like a fleeting, black fast image, this

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<v Speaker 1>figure flitting past us. We just catch with our ei.

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<v Speaker 1>We can walk past a dog man, we can walk

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<v Speaker 1>past one which is only a meter away, and we

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<v Speaker 1>won't even know. They are masters of their environment, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they should be. They've been out there for an

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<v Speaker 1>awful long time. There's a guy that was called Edward

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<v Speaker 1>be Titchener. Now he understood consciousness in free forms, sensations, images,

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<v Speaker 1>and effective states. I'll just take a minute to think

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Consciousness and sensation, Yeah, okay, we need we

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<v Speaker 1>need the sensation to fire off, the fire off their

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<v Speaker 1>synapsis and the hippocampus to say right at all, there's

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<v Speaker 1>something there that's a sensation. Images, Yes, we do need that.

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<v Speaker 1>We need images we need to view to take in

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<v Speaker 1>to see what we're to know what we're seeing. And

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<v Speaker 1>effective states. So effective states is dependent on the actual

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<v Speaker 1>place you are in at the time, the environment you

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<v Speaker 1>may be in the effective states. So the take, for instance, images,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people take photographs, try to take photographs

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<v Speaker 1>of dog men, and very often they come out blurry,

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<v Speaker 1>they come out undefined, they come out pixelated. We often

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<v Speaker 1>get photographs where we see sometimes it's very, very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>not to be rude. Put it this way, now, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that those people have seen what they've seen. When

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<v Speaker 1>you come to photograph it, it just doesn't come out

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<v Speaker 1>and it just looks like a shadow. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it is ill defined. Now, my reasoning on this, with

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience, and I'm only talking from my own

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<v Speaker 1>experience going out looking for dog men, is with the camera.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't so much interact with the camera. Okay. What

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<v Speaker 1>they do have the ability to do is to move.

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<v Speaker 1>They move very very quickly. Now, when I say they

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<v Speaker 1>move very very quickly, I'm talking about the case where

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<v Speaker 1>they are able to move quicker than the shutter speed

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<v Speaker 1>then the aperture and the focal length can take in. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of times, especially with digital photography, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a set screen pixelate the amount of pixels, the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of dots that you can see on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a certain amount on aperture and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>in the environment, it takes in the lighting, and it

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<v Speaker 1>automatically adjusts the aperture for the environment. Then when a

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<v Speaker 1>dog man comes on the scene and he's traveling at velocity,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it doesn't have time to react. So the

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<v Speaker 1>best way really that I can explain it, a dog

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<v Speaker 1>man is both physical and an avatar as we will

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<v Speaker 1>be to them. And what do I mean by that

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<v Speaker 1>dependent on the frame rate of the witness to the entity.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil you're talking really just spagee. Well, let's think of

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<v Speaker 1>it this way, dog man divergence. I call it. It

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<v Speaker 1>sees us as we see it, as if on two trains.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine two trains, and trains are going in opposite directions,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lines of those trains so there there, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a train on the left, train on the right of

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<v Speaker 1>the tracks, and they're going on opposite directions, and those

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<v Speaker 1>trains are going at slightly different speeds both looking. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's me in one window looking out of a window,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the opposite train going in the other direction

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly different speed, there's a dog man and it's

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<v Speaker 1>looking out the window. Now imagine that for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be a lure up to the point, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>where duality or time dilation sinks gravitational potential between locations ceasts.

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<v Speaker 1>They exist physically in that moment. Only in that moment

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<v Speaker 1>when the windows are good joined, when they're actually more

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<v Speaker 1>or less less face it parallel to each other. We

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<v Speaker 1>then see them as they see us, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>travel on. And maybe maybe it may it may be

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<v Speaker 1>a case that once they travel on, because they're on

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly different velocity, they'll think and say, who was

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<v Speaker 1>that guy? Is that Phil? Because we I would seem

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<v Speaker 1>like an avatar to it. But Phil, what about footprints? What?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, there would be because at that particular time,

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<v Speaker 1>at that duality, they would be physical as I would

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<v Speaker 1>be physical to them. It's one thing which accounts for

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<v Speaker 1>hunters when they go and say, oh, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a dog man. But it didn't do anything. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't bring that dog man down. Well in the vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>when you drop a lead weight and you drop a feather,

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<v Speaker 1>they both land at the same time. The velocity of

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<v Speaker 1>a bullet will be a constant one fired from a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>So if that dog man just say that we're on

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<v Speaker 1>our film, we're traveling in a single frame of film.

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<v Speaker 1>Just imagine that from it. Our lives, me talking now

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<v Speaker 1>is on a single frame of film. I can't see

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the film. I can't say the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the It's traveling on thirty five frames plus second.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I know is chugging along. And we get

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of time not because of clocks, because clocks

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<v Speaker 1>are just mechanical items which we use to judge time by.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one thing which is quintessentially the governor of

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<v Speaker 1>time is the second rule of firmodynamics, and that dictates

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<v Speaker 1>of entropy. Everything shall a leaf will fall off a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and a leaf will land, and leaf will rock down

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<v Speaker 1>into the ground. Everything goes to destruction, Everything fails, degradates.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm on my thirty five millimeter frame of film,

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<v Speaker 1>one single frame of film. And if I ever gone,

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<v Speaker 1>I try and shoot dog men. But a dog man

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<v Speaker 1>he might be traveling at thirty six frames. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>a single frame of film. But he's traveling at thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six frames per second. Is that bullet going to seek purchase? No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to miss it by mah, miss it by mal.

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<v Speaker 1>It will seek purchase in the tree probably in our

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<v Speaker 1>time frame, but not in its time frame. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>just one idea of why these And there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of talk from a lot of people that have

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<v Speaker 1>said and I'm not saying it wrong. I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably am wrong. It's just theory, but I e

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<v Speaker 1>gauge this theory on actual experience of seeing. In the

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<v Speaker 1>pusher of my vision is thing going through a wood

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<v Speaker 1>that I would struggle to get through with the brambles,

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<v Speaker 1>the forms, the thicket. You can't travel that quickly through

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<v Speaker 1>the forest. You can't travel that quickly through any wood

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and no sound. It's almost as if the

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<v Speaker 1>environment doesn't our environment we see dog men in our

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<v Speaker 1>environment doesn't seem to make an impact on dog man

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<v Speaker 1>in our environment. So I think some of the traits

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<v Speaker 1>that they have that we call supernatural are supernatural. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably that they are able two have improved site,

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<v Speaker 1>they are able to have improved hearing. They are able

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<v Speaker 1>when they're on this realm to have those facets that

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<v Speaker 1>we lost long ago I think we did. We still

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<v Speaker 1>have vestiges of supernatural ability. How many times do people

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<v Speaker 1>go into a room just so we go into a

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<v Speaker 1>room's crowded full of people, and we look around, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's that one person we think you know something about,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't spoken to them, but it's just something about the

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<v Speaker 1>way they look, something about them that just no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no no. It's a gut feeling. And yet there's

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<v Speaker 1>other people that you just automatically, you haven't spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>them before, you just know. You just bond. You just

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<v Speaker 1>bond as places you go to and everyone's had this

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<v Speaker 1>and you get that gut feeling. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go up there anyway. No, it just seems wrong. That's

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<v Speaker 1>our gut feeling. That's part of that supernatural ability we

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<v Speaker 1>used to have, but society is has battered it out

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<v Speaker 1>of us. You've got to get a job, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to earn money. You've got to then pay rent. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got by clothes, Okay, I'm yeah, I guess I hear.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got to shun nature. We've got to jump

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<v Speaker 1>on board society and you've got to forget the older ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying about the old ways as in

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<v Speaker 1>more pagan ways, No, I'm just staying from the point

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<v Speaker 1>of view of knowing nature, knowing our abilities that we

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<v Speaker 1>used to have, that we did have, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that when we're so surprised seeing dog Man with his

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<v Speaker 1>abilities that he has, shouldn't really be that surprised because

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<v Speaker 1>he's still got his supernatural abilities. It's just that we've

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten ours because of outside factors. So yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>my take on dog Man, really, Vic and how I

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<v Speaker 1>figured that it's interacting with us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's off to you, Phil, That's got to be the

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<v Speaker 2>most impressive, in my opinion, accurate explanation for why they're

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<v Speaker 2>so difficult to film, why they can do so many

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<v Speaker 2>of these things that just normally defy explanation. I'm really impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've had a dog mean encounter that you need

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<v Speaker 2>help dealing with, or if you'd like to be a

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<v Speaker 2>two big foot podcasts. Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying, you know, obviously it's open for debate,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's as I say, it's just my take on

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<v Speaker 1>things from experience and reading up and you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>the traits they have see. I also believe that now

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were going to say, because the

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<v Speaker 1>dog man in a way gets dog man, do get

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<v Speaker 1>really bad rap, And I'm not. I'm not completely against that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there is there is some which are okay,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man going plans. They do going clans. Okay, Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain rules they have as well. They have rules.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're found too have there's a dog band which

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<v Speaker 1>has unlived a pregnant female, then they are unlive themselves

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<v Speaker 1>by the clan unless they leave escape if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when you get the rogue single dogment. It's

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<v Speaker 1>much the same like with.

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<v Speaker 3>H They they have a they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Rules they have to abide by. They have to abide

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<v Speaker 1>by them. They're not just reckless animals monsters out in

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<v Speaker 1>the forest, which they are sentient, they're cognitive, they're thinking creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing which differs with them because of their

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural abilities, they're also instinctial and they can't help it.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a dog, they will they will attack that dog.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can attack that dog, they will and if

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<v Speaker 1>that's your dog, they will attack that dog. Cats they

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<v Speaker 1>will torture. They will torture a cat. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing which they're quite well known to do. Now

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<v Speaker 1>people say, well, okay, now I know myself like other

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<v Speaker 1>people have that I've been near a dog man and

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<v Speaker 1>it gives you that feeling of fear. It's just fearful.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does it do that? Why does it give you

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of fear like it's going to like it

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<v Speaker 1>wants to attack or take your head off. You know, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a byproduct of it's supernatural abilities. I believe it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of what it is, what it does, it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of it's if you like its infrasound defense system. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it on purpose, it's just part of what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to remember that these things there, they when

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<v Speaker 1>they're in this realm, when they're in this environment, they

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<v Speaker 1>have to be very stealthy, and they're very good at

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<v Speaker 1>being stealthy. But if they do come across us, then

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<v Speaker 1>we will interpret their them themselves as being on intent

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<v Speaker 1>to harm. But we have to we have to take

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<v Speaker 1>on board one thing, and that is how many witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>have come forward. Quite a few witnesses, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>VIC show many many witnesses. How many witnesses have actually

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<v Speaker 1>been her injured or bitten? How many witnesses have been

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<v Speaker 1>taken away? How many witnesses have lived to tell their account? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know they have taken animals. And I'm the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the first one to be absolutely. I've got dogs myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I've devastated. I know. There's one account I'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>where I had to with me and it really annoyed immensely.

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<v Speaker 1>It annoyed the documents that were there, but the witnesses themselves. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>do you get that feeling, Yes, you get that fear feeling. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a fear factor. But that's a byproduct of

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<v Speaker 1>their supernatural ability. That's what they have, Like crocodiles, like elephants,

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<v Speaker 1>they have that infrasound byproduct their ability. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just with you, it's with the bubble of silence that

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the forest when they're near the witness walks

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<v Speaker 1>into a part of the wood. I've done the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the best way I can describe it as

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble. You're walking into a bubble and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you just noticed that boy is quiet, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean really silly quiet. It's like just nothing. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>there's no sound at all, a birds, nothing, It's just

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely quiet. It's because it's not just us. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just us that recognizes that this entity we call dog

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<v Speaker 1>man is in the area. It's supernatural. Birthy is infrasound,

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<v Speaker 1>is able to permeate through that bubble in that forest

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<v Speaker 1>and all all of those animals. It is a premum

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<v Speaker 1>premium predator. Think of it that way. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>top of the tree predator. Well, what gets me is

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<v Speaker 1>with evolution, all animals are honed by diet, prey, an environment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>polar bears are built the way they are built, huge

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<v Speaker 1>and white because they blend in you get an all

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<v Speaker 1>manner of animals. Grizzlies why they built the way they're

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<v Speaker 1>built because they spend a lot of their time in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. That's where they spend their time. And their

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<v Speaker 1>predatory birds why they built the way they're built because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not so predatory they're offering sects. But environment and

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<v Speaker 1>prey hone the evolution of an animal. It's physicality. It

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<v Speaker 1>molds as it has done with us. We wear clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hence we're not hairy all over. Well some maybe, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I won't talk about the ex wife, but but

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times with evolution, it's it is the

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<v Speaker 1>preying environment. So it begs the question, what then, being

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<v Speaker 1>type free dog man? The dog man we know that

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<v Speaker 1>builds with the large claws, big teeth, long muzzle, diamond shape,

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<v Speaker 1>upper body filtering down into a smaller waist, and massive,

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<v Speaker 1>big powerful legs. Digit grade legs with a hook. Has

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<v Speaker 1>it got that Well, it's because it's instantaneous acceleration, like

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<v Speaker 1>a dog has that ability, and when you see them run,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me they've got that flexation in their legs.

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<v Speaker 1>When you see one run, you can see its flex

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<v Speaker 1>It flexes its legs in such a manner as a cheetah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ward cheetable has almost like a boomerang spine. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of flexation on the spine, so it's able

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<v Speaker 1>to actually it's able to flex its spine and then

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<v Speaker 1>shoot straight off, so it kind of like careers off

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<v Speaker 1>like a boomerang. That's what it gets up to speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly the same with digit grade legs. Evolutions made it

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's instantaneous acceleration evolutions made it so it's

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<v Speaker 1>got a massive, big claws. But it begs the point,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that praise on to warrant those claws,

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<v Speaker 1>those digit grade legs, the speed of it. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear my theory on what I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>dog Man is actually here for.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'd love to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I believe with dog Man that they are predatory.

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<v Speaker 1>I also believe even though they're on us, they're able

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<v Speaker 1>to's call it. They're no more felt. But they use

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<v Speaker 1>velocity to skip framed. Okay, so they go faster than

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<v Speaker 1>our frame of time. They can just instantly bomb gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they look and the way they are, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing on God's planet which would warrant such a a

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<v Speaker 1>a predator. I mean, it's not until your you see one.

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<v Speaker 1>People out there that I have seen them, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've seen them, will be the first to agree

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<v Speaker 1>with me that it's like nothing else on earth. These

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<v Speaker 1>things they do stay with you because they are just

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<v Speaker 1>a catch your parents' time. It's just a massive and

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<v Speaker 1>they look so just I still have nightmares now, I

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<v Speaker 1>still have nightmares and I'm fifty nine years old. I

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<v Speaker 1>still have nightmares and my interaction was years and years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What could it possibly take down? Why is it built? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's built because it's part of It's

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<v Speaker 1>part of Earth. If you like, it's Earth's warrior, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's soldier, it's the planet's soldier. No. I know there's

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<v Speaker 1>people out there that all love and that's fine. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I get it. It's just a theory. But

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<v Speaker 1>just wait one second. If as we all know that,

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<v Speaker 1>we feel it. I feel it. There is something on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon. There's something coming. There's something which governments and

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<v Speaker 1>agencies are not telling us, but we've felt it for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time now. There's something. There's some rumblings going on.

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<v Speaker 1>When you think about aliens. I think that with the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens and alien accounts, they're the true horrific ones the grace.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not one. There's not one single witness testimony that's

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<v Speaker 1>come back of an abduction where they haven't suffered extreme

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<v Speaker 1>memory loss PTSD. They've been experimented on, they've been probed,

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<v Speaker 1>they've had objects placed under their skin. These people have

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<v Speaker 1>really not had a good time. These entities that take

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<v Speaker 1>them don't seem to almost childlike in their understanding of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no idea the pain and suffering they're causing.

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<v Speaker 1>Very often that the bacts, he will be on the

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<v Speaker 1>table and crying. They're absolutely in tears. Why are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? Why are doing to me? And the gray

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<v Speaker 1>will turn around on them, whatever entity is taken, or

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<v Speaker 1>we'll turn around that will say why are you crying? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we're crying. We're emotional beings. If as I

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<v Speaker 1>feel that something is on the horizon, if as I

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<v Speaker 1>feel that they would pose a threat, then I think

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<v Speaker 1>dog Man would be the one and the clans would

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<v Speaker 1>be the ones which would eradicate and it would nullify

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<v Speaker 1>that threat. They would protect the planet. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they will do. They will protect the planet just

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<v Speaker 1>to really, you know, grind it inward people. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry about this. With Bigfoot, I do honestly think

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<v Speaker 1>that Bigfoot is part of the alien agenda. I say

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<v Speaker 1>that because a lot of times when UFOs land, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been so many cases when UFOs are spotted, there's very

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<v Speaker 1>often people have spotted a bigfoot in the area, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's happened many, many, many times. How many times has

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<v Speaker 1>it been to a dog man let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>that how many times, Oh, we saw an alien, it

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<v Speaker 1>just landed over the then we saw a dog man. No,

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<v Speaker 1>what you will see is you'll see a dog man

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact, but you'll see a dog man traveling

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<v Speaker 1>or going to the area. The dog man, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>is here. And what we're what I'm getting, what witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>are getting, is part of its supernatural ability. It's part

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<v Speaker 1>of what it does. It's predatory, it's part of its makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're getting that fear, we're getting all the the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of its abilities. We're picking up on it. It's here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's always been here, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is a protector. Yeah, and that's what I think. That

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I believe anywhere. It's what I've come to realize.

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<v Speaker 2>You've put a lot of thoughts into this avenue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I kind of like a lot a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people out there. And I'm not saying I'm right,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a lot of people out there. I uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to put the pieces of that jigsaw together,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Ah now it Yeah, some just don't fit

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<v Speaker 1>and others do fit into the frame. But the ones

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<v Speaker 1>which are fitting seem to be the ones that I'm mentioning,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, who knows who knows? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>do honestly believe you're right as well, Vic that they

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<v Speaker 1>have been militarized, that they were. There is a place

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<v Speaker 1>over here, and that place was closed down in nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>but people will know it if you google it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was called it's it's still called Porter Down and they've

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of chemical and virus testing there. Stars

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<v Speaker 1>was tested there and developed another really nasty bugs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know that there was a there was a

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<v Speaker 1>chap I spoke to, and this is many years ago. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It was back in the time when urban explorers were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, the big thing, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>three guys that yeah, there was three guys because the

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<v Speaker 1>girl didn't go in in the end, but there's three

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<v Speaker 1>guys that went into. It's not used anymore, all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did hear that they went in and they

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<v Speaker 1>found that it was like a doorway. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>doorway in the ground. It was like two cellar doors. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're getting a house when you open up the

413
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 1>two cellar doors on the ground and they'd like flip open,

414
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.119
<v Speaker 1>you go downstairs. Case it's kind of like that anyway.

415
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 1>They said it was open, but you'll guess as good

416
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>as mine. I probably don't believe them, but you know,

417
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it's this huge base, if you like. But they went

418
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>down there and they said they took footage. That footage

419
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 1>has since disappeared, but they took footage of cages down

420
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 1>under there, so if you can measure it. I was

421
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>described to me as like a long, long corridor and

422
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to the left and right of them as they're walking

423
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 1>down and it was like a dripping water because it's underground,

424
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's like kind of disused now, but to the

425
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 1>left and right these cages like cells. She liked. But

426
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 1>they said that the walls just claws, claw marks in

427
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>the walls, just deep claw marks. Now, one of the

428
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>guys said, went on. The other two kind of they

429
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of like freaked when they got to the end

430
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of the corridor because they could hear howling. Two of

431
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the guys freaked and went out, ran down the corridor

432
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and went out. The last guy he went on a

433
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>little way. As far as I know, they didn't see

434
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Speaker 1>him again as far as I know, And there was

435
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>no investigations. I understand. This is just what I've been told.

436
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>The footage that the guys had, the two guys that

437
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 1>ran out, they had video footage that disappeared, but the

438
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>last thing they said they heard was howling. And I

439
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>think there is basis both in the UK and in

440
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the States, which have and probably do militarize they make

441
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>these into military soldiers. They genetically splice them with other

442
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 1>DNA and they make them militarized. I don't think it.

443
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>It may not work entirely, and I think the ones

444
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that they try it and do it on, I think

445
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that they go into kill mode. Because remember these things,

446
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>even though they're they're they're they're sentient, they're understanding, they're

447
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 1>still instinctual. And if you militarize that and they've still

448
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>got animal the animal instinct as well as that, as

449
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>well as superior strength, as well as fantastical speed, instantaneous acceleration,

450
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>then you're creating a weapon that really cannot be controlled

451
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and shouldn't be about. So whether those are still with us,

452
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>whether they're still used, I don't notice anyone's guess, but yeah,

453
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a scary fact. And I think you know,

454
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you're quite correct that they have in the past done that,

455
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think they would make great soldiers. Let's face it,

456
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 1>they would make great super soldiers. But being that there

457
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been that many there has been accounts, but not

458
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 1>that many accounts when it comes to sightings with super soldiers.

459
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 1>But then you see, well, when you when you when

460
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you go into military archives and you're trying to get

461
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>freedom of information released about something like that, you're just

462
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>not going to get it. And I suspect any well,

463
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>God help them. Let's face it, any enemy facing even

464
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 1>two or three of those, if they've been if they've

465
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 1>been suppliced at DNA to create a military weapon, a

466
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 1>weapon's gray dog man, God help any enemy, they wouldn't

467
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>probably be around to tell the tale that you know,

468
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>or at least be a witness. There's no way.

469
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>There definitely wouldn't be considering all the abilities they obviously

470
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>have in addition to them being so formidable, How do

471
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>you think it would be possible to force dog men

472
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to follow orders?

473
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>No? Easy? Yeah, no, they would. I think they would

474
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>done easily follow orders because I think the chemical that

475
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>when they get spliced, they would also have to have

476
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a symbiotic relationship with the handler, so they would have

477
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 1>to be both a chemical tracer and a I would

478
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>suspect they would have to be like a implantation within

479
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>the hippocampus itself for the handler, because there would only

480
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>be one handler for that one soldier. It wouldn't be

481
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>a case of just giving it orders and off it goes.

482
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 1>It would have to be regulated. It would then have

483
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to be monitored. They would know it's heartbeat, they would

484
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 1>know it's they would know its blood pressure, they would

485
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 1>know it's it's probably even to the point of they

486
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>may even have had techn now I think even years ago,

487
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and this would have been probably in the fifties sixties

488
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>at its height that this probably was going on. And

489
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>since then we've kind of like had rogue ones which

490
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:44.559
<v Speaker 1>were even escaped from bases. Because you have to remember

491
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of times with witnesses, they often see

492
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>soldiers themselves, yourself often see dogmen buy military bases. You yourself.

493
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I've listened to a lot of your people that have

494
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.639
<v Speaker 1>come forward on your show, and they often have said, look,

495
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, we were stationed at Merchi Base. I used

496
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to be at Merchi based, were out maneuvers. We saw

497
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>a dog man in the forest because they they they've

498
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>still instinctually got that symbiotic relationship. They will still have that.

499
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 1>There'll be rogues, they'll be single, they won't be part

500
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>of a clan that be ousted by the plan. If

501
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 1>they go back to the plan, they'll be unlived their rogue.

502
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 1>They've been worked on, they've been militarized. There's symbiotic both

503
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 1>be chemical tracer and also it would be an electrical

504
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 1>input which will be sent from giving instructions. So it's

505
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 1>it's not a robot. It's not been robotized. It's not

506
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not mechanical. It's still a dog man.

507
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 1>It's still flesh blood in this realm. But it's monitored

508
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's given instruction by one single handler, and I

509
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.039
<v Speaker 1>think that would be the way it would be governed

510
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and given instruction.

511
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Vic, You've definitely got some interesting theories about all this.

512
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>You have put a lot of time into this. I'm impressed.

513
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. Yeah, as I say, it's just you know,

514
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I've listened to a lot. I've listened to a lot

515
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 1>of people, and you know, it's another thing when you

516
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 1>listen to people's accounts. It's funny the amount of times

517
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 1>that these accounts they bleed over on to one another.

518
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>People have the same type of experiences, the same observations

519
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 1>of this same entity. So it's it's nothing which is

520
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 1>really quite unusual, that's laughable, but it's everyone has the

521
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>same feelings when they meet them. We have to look

522
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>at those commonalities and we have to put those commonalities together. So, okay, right,

523
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.760
<v Speaker 1>they exude the feeling of fear, that's the first thing

524
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>we get that. That's okay, But I've explained that that's fine.

525
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a byproduct. They also have lightning fast speed. Okay, like, yeah,

526
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:47.760
<v Speaker 1>they did. Well, that's their evolutionary makeup. That's their digit

527
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>grade legs, their hooked legs, that's their they're gone. That

528
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>also goes partly because they can't be captured on film.

529
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Why can't they be captured on film? Because you know,

530
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 1>even with some of the state of the art cameras

531
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>that we have now, which are doing one hundred and

532
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty frames per second one hundred and twenty frames individual

533
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 1>frames per second, it's shooting at four K, even AK

534
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 1>still can't get them because they're on a different velocity

535
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.199
<v Speaker 1>to mauk. They're on a slightly different frame when they

536
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 1>five off and they kick off and they move, they're

537
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>moving it a slight, a different velocity, which gives them

538
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the ability to us it looks like they're all for now.

539
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 1>They then become avatars. There's much the same with when

540
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 1>you go into the quantum realm and you go into

541
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>neutrinos and everyone's looking for now. They've got the neutrino

542
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>detector in Antarctica miles down, these probes miles down just

543
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to try and because when the trinos go through the ice,

544
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 1>they react with certain atoms within the ice which can

545
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>then be detected. Because these neutrinos, as we're talking at

546
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the moment, as you're listening, there's millions of neutrinos going

547
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 1>through you. And as neutrinos will come from space deep space,

548
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>but they're traveling so quickly. Now. Unlike photons, photons don't

549
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 1>have mass, Photons carry light, they don't have any mass.

550
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Neutrinos do have mass, only small, but they do have mass.

551
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 1>And what they're trying to find at the moment is

552
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 1>relic neutrinos. Just a few minutes, a few minutes after

553
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang, these relic neutrinos were let loose into

554
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the universe and they're trying to to detect those. Why

555
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 1>do I mention neutrino is because of velocity. They used

556
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to try and detect them before Antarctica and Antarctic google

557
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it the Antarctic detector. They used to use mines so

558
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 1>deep underground minds are people that no longer use gold mine,

559
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 1>silver mines, copper minds. They used to use those, and

560
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.039
<v Speaker 1>they used to go to the deepest part of the

561
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 1>mine and they put on a lead plate, massive, big

562
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>lead plate just to try and slow the neutrino up

563
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 1>enough to capture it. Now, I use that as a

564
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 1>vague analogy to dog men and it's supernatural ability. It

565
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>goes on a different velocity, but we take it to

566
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>be it's morphed out. No, no, no, it has actually

567
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 1>morphed out. Oh it's gone for a portal. No, it

568
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 1>has actually portals. Do exist, don't get me wrong. Do exist.

569
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm absolutely one hundred percent behind the fact that they exist.

570
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also one hundred percent behind the fact that

571
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>dog man is nature's own predator, ultimate top of the

572
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>tree predator. It doesn't need it doesn't need bottles. Bigfoot

573
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 1>may Bigfoot does Bigfoot does, but then Bigfoot is a

574
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>totally different kettle fish. Bigfoot is not indigenous to Earth.

575
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll probably get a lot of flak for that, but

576
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. I'll fight my corner. It's not indigenous to Earth.

577
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Dog Man I believe is well.

578
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, you've got some interesting theories that definitely

579
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 2>seem to be well thought through. I'm sure a lot

580
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of people listening to tonight's show are gonna, unfortunately disagree

581
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 2>with some of the things that you said, but they

582
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 2>can believe what they want. They can refuse to believe

583
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>what they don't want to believe, but they can't say

584
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.519
<v Speaker 2>that you haven't thought this through. So have to give

585
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 2>you credit having said all of that, Phil, You've got

586
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.599
<v Speaker 2>three dog mean encounters, so you haven't shared with this yet.

587
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 2>So instead of asking you to tell us about those

588
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 2>dog mean encounters tonight, I'd like to ask you some

589
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>questions here to round this show out. If you'd be

590
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>interested in coming back for a part three where you

591
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>told us about your dog mean encounters.

592
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, sure, that'd be great, thank you, Vic. Yeah,

593
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.480
<v Speaker 1>not at all, Yeah, far away with questions.

594
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, great, Well, we'll do it that way. Then

595
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 2>you said that you think dog men are likely going

596
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.039
<v Speaker 2>to eradicate the Grays if things go to pot with

597
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the Grays. That is, how do you think dog men

598
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.119
<v Speaker 2>could overcome the grays technology.

599
00:52:52.360 --> 00:53:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Though, Well, because the Grays don't really have technology, we

600
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>believe that they have ships UFOs. Once again, they're much

601
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:17.760
<v Speaker 1>aligned with the military side of things. With militarizing dogmen,

602
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.119
<v Speaker 1>there'll be a handler, there'll be one single pilot of

603
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:28.639
<v Speaker 1>an organic what we take to be UFO. So these UFOs,

604
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:33.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to look. When you look closer at the

605
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 1>UFOs that we see, they tend to morph, they tend

606
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to change shape. These ships can also have instantaneous acceleration.

607
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 1>They can go eighteen thousand g's. They can go up

608
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>eight thousand g's with ease and then do a ninety

609
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 1>degree term. Anything organic on some would be mush turned

610
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 1>to soup. So how does it do it? Right? Okay,

611
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Well that there has been there's been theories that they

612
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 1>actually create gravity around them. They create a bubble if

613
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you like, so they pull instead of pushing with frost

614
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 1>as we do with rocketry and engines where we thrust

615
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 1>our way through the atmosphere. They actually create their own

616
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>gravity around the ship. I really believe that these craft

617
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:44.280
<v Speaker 1>that we see are actually organic, so you can take

618
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 1>them to be creatures in a way. They're grown that

619
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:55.199
<v Speaker 1>they have a pilot, they have a handler. Technology wise,

620
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I think we deem to be. Wow,

621
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 1>that's really high tech what they've got, and they can

622
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:10.079
<v Speaker 1>do such maneuvers. I think is once again a case

623
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that these craft are organic. They're able to do it

624
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 1>as much as a we see a hummingbird, and we

625
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 1>look at a hummingbird ware, how does it able to

626
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 1>flick around so quickly and do those incredible turns and

627
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.360
<v Speaker 1>maneuvers at such speed we can't even take in by

628
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:39.800
<v Speaker 1>been watching it. It's much the same if they had

629
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that technology. I think I think we like the idea

630
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of technology, and I think we're at home to the

631
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.559
<v Speaker 1>idea of technology. We're very adaptable to the idea of technology.

632
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.639
<v Speaker 1>If you were to take a mobile phone now and

633
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>take it back a hundred years ago, they'd be looking

634
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 1>at it and going what is that? But we've kind

635
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>of and kids nowadays have have grown into the digital

636
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:12.519
<v Speaker 1>life really easily. They've adopted it so easily, almost too easily.

637
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like we're triggered for it. Uh, And I think

638
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what we tend to grab hold of. We tend

639
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to grab hold of the fact of technology. Maybe it's

640
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 1>not rick, maybe it's not Maybe it is organic. Maybe

641
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 1>it's more organic than we realized. And that's the big show,

642
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's the big rollover that they're going to

643
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>come out with it. It's a bit like that film Nope,

644
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, when the ship and they're going, you know,

645
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and it looked like a cloud and it just morphed

646
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and changed and it was actually an organic entity. So

647
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I think I think, yeah, it would cope. I think

648
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 1>dog Man would cope. Yeah.

649
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 2>It seems like before you come to a conclusion about anything,

650
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you definitely do put a lot of thought into it.

651
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, this isn't any different than the other things

652
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 2>that we talked about. It sounds like you've put a

653
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of thought into this as well. You never cease

654
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to impress, you really don't.

655
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>No, thank you. I appreciate that really, especially coming from you. Man.

656
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're welcome. But yeah, I'm just telling them like

657
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it is now. Phil, you made some definitive statements about

658
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the behavior of dog Men on not being critical of you.

659
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to understand here. How do you know

660
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 2>those things that you said about them are definitely true,

661
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 2>such as how clean how a pack is going to

662
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 2>deal with a dog man that steps out of line

663
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.039
<v Speaker 2>by doing this or doing that.

664
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I came to that conclusion because they would have to

665
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 1>have rules, and with people also that have come forward

666
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and spoken to us, and with my own experience, they

667
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 1>don't and haven't. I wouldn't. I'm alive anything that is pregnant.

668
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never known that. I believe they do travel impacts.

669
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons I believe that is because when

670
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I first started this, and people might be thinking what

671
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>we feel, well, why do you call yourself on YouTube

672
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>dog man TP hunting? What's the TP hunt? What? What

673
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:47.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of cooking things out? Ah? Well, it's because I

674
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.679
<v Speaker 1>used to go out with my dogs into wards and

675
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:58.239
<v Speaker 1>how I used to track dog men, and the way

676
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I used to track them was using what they left behind. Now,

677
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that every tpe structure, I'm not saying

678
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that every X that we see in every y made

679
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.119
<v Speaker 1>up a branches we see is down to dog men.

680
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:17.800
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of tepee structures that we see a bushcraft.

681
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot which is made by the the Young

682
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Army Cadet Force, but they always believe in the ethos

683
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of if you use it, you then dis use it,

684
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 1>you take it down again, you don't leave it up.

685
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 1>You do get bushcraft, you do get kids going out

686
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:55.039
<v Speaker 1>making shelters, but you don't often get kids going out

687
00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 1>hiking for an hour into a thick wood thick wood

688
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.320
<v Speaker 1>and then coming across a shelter or a TP structure

689
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>or an X. One of the reasons I believe that

690
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 1>they're traveling clans is because they leave the xes behind,

691
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 1>not the very big ones, but the smaller ones they

692
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>leave behind, and I think you have to read them.

693
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit like hieroglyphics. Think of it like hieroglyphics,

694
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but a three dimensional hieroglyphics. And if you are to

695
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>use that X structure as crosshairs in the gun sight

696
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and follow the X, it will lead you onto a

697
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 1>TP structure. It will lead you on to something else.

698
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.679
<v Speaker 1>It will lead you on to a gathering spot. And

699
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you'll know a gathering spot because a gathering spot will

700
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.800
<v Speaker 1>have fallen trees around like benches in a kind of

701
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:59.079
<v Speaker 1>circle with the TP structures a lot of them. They've

702
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 1>got a central spy and then they've got branches coming

703
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 1>down on them. Now, if it's bushcraft, then they would

704
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:08.199
<v Speaker 1>be using what it's called a spud, and a spud

705
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:10.920
<v Speaker 1>takes off any burs on the wood so that it

706
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:15.199
<v Speaker 1>enables a bushcrafter to put a canopy over the top

707
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 1>to protect them from the rain or to protect them

708
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 1>from the wind. There's not a lot of point in

709
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:23.599
<v Speaker 1>building a shelter if you haven't got protection from wind

710
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.840
<v Speaker 1>or rain. But these structures don't have that protection from

711
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.920
<v Speaker 1>wind and rain. They don't have ferns on them, they

712
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 1>don't have impacted mud grasses that open the open spines.

713
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 1>And I think that once again is a language. And

714
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I think when you find them and they're out in

715
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.159
<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere, that's a language. And that's basically

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01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 1>they will use a scout, and a scout goes on

717
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the head and the scout leaves the configuration, belts it

718
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:03.360
<v Speaker 1>together and it makes it really quickly. Uses branches which

719
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.239
<v Speaker 1>are always you won't ever find any of the branches

720
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 1>on these structures, which are newly cut off trees or

721
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>broken off trees. They are all gathered backbreakingly, all gathered

722
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.639
<v Speaker 1>off the forest or wood floor, and then put up

723
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:24.199
<v Speaker 1>into a structure as a telltale sign. Who who would

724
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:28.559
<v Speaker 1>actually do that? So you know it's you would You

725
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:33.920
<v Speaker 1>would saw down a branch, branches you wouldn't backbreakingly pick

726
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.239
<v Speaker 1>up from the forest floor around you all the branches

727
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 1>to put together. They do. They do for reason because

728
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.400
<v Speaker 1>it's sending a message to the plan that's following. This

729
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:49.719
<v Speaker 1>is the direction going in, and it gives information eg uh, prey,

730
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 1>type of prey, quantity of prey. It's just unfortunate. I

731
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 1>as yet don't know how to read those. Not yet,

732
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But there is a commonality with them

733
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:08.239
<v Speaker 1>throughout the world that wherever they're found, always in a

734
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 1>deeper part of woods. For forests, they've got the same

735
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 1>bill type, a central spine and branches coming off to

736
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 1>left them right, almost looking like a rib cage. And

737
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.960
<v Speaker 1>they're all branches off the forest floor, all deadwood branches,

738
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.440
<v Speaker 1>all stacked up neatly. A lot of them are intertwined,

739
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 1>woven into each other, quite complicated. But again they don't

740
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 1>give any They give purchase for strength, but they don't

741
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.079
<v Speaker 1>offer any protection for wind or rain vig.

742
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.519
<v Speaker 2>If you found that many structures that they've made, I'm

743
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 2>sure at least on the occasion, one or two of

744
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.639
<v Speaker 2>these guys have been around when you found these structures.

745
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.679
<v Speaker 2>And if that was the keys, I wonder what they

746
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Speaker 2>thought about you finding them.

747
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that I've had. I've had a few hairy,

748
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:11.159
<v Speaker 1>hairy occasions. Pardon the pun, I've had a few hairy occasions. Uh.

749
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, you know, if you if you take

750
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 1>dogs with you, you look, Look, I don't want to

751
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.039
<v Speaker 1>scare anyone. If you go in the wood, it's brilliant

752
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.800
<v Speaker 1>take your dogs with you. They are not going to interfere.

753
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:30.079
<v Speaker 1>If they don't, why should they expel energy on something

754
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that's not a threat. Even if you've got dogs, it's

755
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.800
<v Speaker 1>not a threat. They're not going to show themselves or

756
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:44.400
<v Speaker 1>expel energy needlessly. They will, however, register the fact that

757
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:50.000
<v Speaker 1>your intent is to harm. They will register that. They

758
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:53.199
<v Speaker 1>will even register that before you get into the wood.

759
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.760
<v Speaker 1>They have that ability. They know these entities know that,

760
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 1>and then yes, then they will they will. But yeah,

761
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they think of it. They probably

762
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.039
<v Speaker 1>think I'm a I don't know. I think they're beer

763
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.039
<v Speaker 1>mused to be honest, week, I think they just look

764
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 1>at me like some oddity.

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01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure there are still a lot of things

766
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.079
<v Speaker 2>about you they don't understand, so to them, you probably

767
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 2>are an oddity, but you could be a lot worse,

768
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:28.800
<v Speaker 2>so I would worry about that. Phil, we're out of time.

769
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Are you sure you'd be up for coming back to

770
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:32.719
<v Speaker 2>tell us about your dog me and encounters? And I've

771
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.159
<v Speaker 2>got plenty of questions for you still.

772
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. I've got three really really

773
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 1>good accounts and also one very interesting legacy account that

774
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 1>happened to me when I was younger. I was twelve

775
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.840
<v Speaker 1>years old, and I think people will find that that's

776
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a quite scary one. Though, that's quite scary one. But yeah,

777
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to share that one.

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01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's greatly. I would have pressed you to tell

779
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.360
<v Speaker 2>us about your encounters in the confines of this particular episode,

780
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's been a long time since I've had somebody

781
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.960
<v Speaker 2>come on and just talk dog men, someone who studies

782
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the topic, just come on and share their knowledge with this.

783
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.159
<v Speaker 2>In fact, if there any other researchers out there, investigators

784
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 2>out there, who would like to come on and do

785
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, share their discoveries their opinions. By all means,

786
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 2>please let me know. I'd love to bring you on.

787
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Just go to Dogmandcounters dot com and submit a report.

788
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.079
<v Speaker 2>But having said all that, Phil, I can't thank you

789
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.079
<v Speaker 2>enough for coming back on to do this, and of

790
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 2>course I'm looking forward to having you back for part three.

791
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Now you're more welcome. Thank you, Vick, and for anyone

792
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:48.480
<v Speaker 1>out there, everyone out there, I just want to say, Nick,

793
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 1>people loved you when you came on our show dog

794
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Men TP Hunting on YouTube. People are still raving about you.

795
01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:59.480
<v Speaker 1>They still they just love you. Man.

796
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I never will understand that why anyone would do that.

797
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.000
<v Speaker 2>But thanks again so much for having me on and

798
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 2>everyone listening. So that you know, I'm going to post

799
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 2>a link to that show where I came on Phil's

800
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.480
<v Speaker 2>show and he interviewed me and we had a good

801
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.800
<v Speaker 2>talk about dog Men. I'm going to post a link

802
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to that show in the description for tonight's show. That'll

803
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 2>make it really easy to find that.

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01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to have you on again one time, if

805
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 1>that's okay.

806
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, by all means, yeah, just let me know on

807
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:32.119
<v Speaker 2>definitely we'll set that up. But having said that, thanks again,

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01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 2>so much and have a great night
