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Dogmanencounters dot com. Forward Slash podcast. Two weeks ago, on

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episode six forty four, we had tonight's guests come on

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and talk about a werewolf encounter he had when he

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was eight. By the time he had worked his way

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through the details of that experience and shared some other

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things with us, we didn't have time to go into

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the three dogman encounters he had though, well that's what

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he came back to, you want tonight show. But having

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said that, Tonight's guest is Phil Cottvall. Phil, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you very much for having me. It's great

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to be back, and thank you for the time that

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you give me in sharing some of the stuff that

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I've seen and beamfoot. I do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're welcome. I'm just so glad to

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do it. I don't know if the listeners enjoyed listening

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to you talk about your experiences more if I did, because,

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like I told you, behind the scenes, just just something

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about the way you deliver your experiences that just draws

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you in, It really does.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's very kind of you. Thank you. Well. I'm

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just happy If people can take away something from my

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ramblings then that's great. That's great news. You know. That's

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all I care about really, because these things happen. These entities,

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these documents are out there. They do exist. I don't

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think they don't. Anyone listening that thinks they don't. They do.

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They do exist. So if anyone takes away something from

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this or it strikes a chord with people, then that's

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just fantastic. That's fantastic. I wanted to just really quickly

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mention about dog men. Before you go into a forest,

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there's an important thing to realize, and that is they

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will know a mile before you actually reach that wood.

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They will know. They will know your intention if you

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go armed up and going on a hunt or purposely

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going to find them, they will know. This is not

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to scare anyone going in the forest having a walk,

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enjoying the scenery. They're not going to do anything. They're

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really not going to do anything. If you go with

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the intent of harm, they will know. They don't. Particularly

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they're sentient creatures. Their cognitive abilities are supreme. They're masters

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of their environment. Some people say that they morph out,

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some people say that they go through portals. I don't

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believe so. I believe that a lot of times when

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we see them, we see them on the peripheral our

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vision and it's like a fleeting, black fast image, this

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figure flitting past us. We just catch with our ei.

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We can walk past a dog man, we can walk

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past one which is only a meter away, and we

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won't even know. They are masters of their environment, and

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so they should be. They've been out there for an

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awful long time. There's a guy that was called Edward

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be Titchener. Now he understood consciousness in free forms, sensations, images,

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and effective states. I'll just take a minute to think

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about that. Consciousness and sensation, Yeah, okay, we need we

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need the sensation to fire off, the fire off their

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synapsis and the hippocampus to say right at all, there's

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something there that's a sensation. Images, Yes, we do need that.

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We need images we need to view to take in

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to see what we're to know what we're seeing. And

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effective states. So effective states is dependent on the actual

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place you are in at the time, the environment you

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may be in the effective states. So the take, for instance, images,

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a lot of people take photographs, try to take photographs

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of dog men, and very often they come out blurry,

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they come out undefined, they come out pixelated. We often

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get photographs where we see sometimes it's very, very difficult

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not to be rude. Put it this way, now, I

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know that those people have seen what they've seen. When

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you come to photograph it, it just doesn't come out

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and it just looks like a shadow. It looks like

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it is ill defined. Now, my reasoning on this, with

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my own experience, and I'm only talking from my own

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experience going out looking for dog men, is with the camera.

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They don't so much interact with the camera. Okay. What

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they do have the ability to do is to move.

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move very very quickly, I'm talking about the case where

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they are able to move quicker than the shutter speed

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then the aperture and the focal length can take in. Okay.

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have a set screen pixelate the amount of pixels, the

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amount of dots that you can see on the screen.

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in the environment, it takes in the lighting, and it

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automatically adjusts the aperture for the environment. Then when a

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dog man comes on the scene and he's traveling at velocity,

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best way really that I can explain it, a dog

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man is both physical and an avatar as we will

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be to them. And what do I mean by that

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dependent on the frame rate of the witness to the entity.

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Phil you're talking really just spagee. Well, let's think of

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it this way, dog man divergence. I call it. It

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sees us as we see it, as if on two trains.

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and the lines of those trains so there there, there's

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a train on the left, train on the right of

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the tracks, and they're going on opposite directions, and those

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trains are going at slightly different speeds both looking. Okay,

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if there's me in one window looking out of a window,

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and on the opposite train going in the other direction

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a slightly different speed, there's a dog man and it's

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looking out the window. Now imagine that for a minute.

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It will be a lure up to the point, okay,

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where duality or time dilation sinks gravitational potential between locations ceasts.

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They exist physically in that moment. Only in that moment

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when the windows are good joined, when they're actually more

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or less less face it parallel to each other. We

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then see them as they see us, and then we

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travel on. And maybe maybe it may it may be

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a case that once they travel on, because they're on

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a slightly different velocity, they'll think and say, who was

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that guy? Is that Phil? Because we I would seem

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like an avatar to it. But Phil, what about footprints? What?

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But yes, there would be because at that particular time,

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at that duality, they would be physical as I would

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be physical to them. It's one thing which accounts for

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hunters when they go and say, oh, I want to

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shoot a dog man. But it didn't do anything. It

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didn't bring that dog man down. Well in the vacuum,

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when you drop a lead weight and you drop a feather,

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they both land at the same time. The velocity of

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a bullet will be a constant one fired from a gun.

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So if that dog man just say that we're on

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our film, we're traveling in a single frame of film.

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Just imagine that from it. Our lives, me talking now

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is on a single frame of film. I can't see

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the beginning of the film. I can't say the end

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of the It's traveling on thirty five frames plus second.

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That's all I know is chugging along. And we get

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that feeling of time not because of clocks, because clocks

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are just mechanical items which we use to judge time by.

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time is the second rule of firmodynamics, and that dictates

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of entropy. Everything shall a leaf will fall off a tree,

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and a leaf will land, and leaf will rock down

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into the ground. Everything goes to destruction, Everything fails, degradates.

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So I'm on my thirty five millimeter frame of film,

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one single frame of film. And if I ever gone,

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I try and shoot dog men. But a dog man

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he might be traveling at thirty six frames. He's on

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a single frame of film. But he's traveling at thirty

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six frames per second. Is that bullet going to seek purchase? No,

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he's going to miss it by mah, miss it by mal.

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It will seek purchase in the tree probably in our

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time frame, but not in its time frame. So that's

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just one idea of why these And there's been a

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lot of talk from a lot of people that have

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said and I'm not saying it wrong. I could be wrong.

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I probably am wrong. It's just theory, but I e

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gauge this theory on actual experience of seeing. In the

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pusher of my vision is thing going through a wood

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that I would struggle to get through with the brambles,

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the forms, the thicket. You can't travel that quickly through

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the forest. You can't travel that quickly through any wood

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like that, and no sound. It's almost as if the

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environment doesn't our environment we see dog men in our

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environment doesn't seem to make an impact on dog man

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in our environment. So I think some of the traits

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that they have that we call supernatural are supernatural. And

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I think probably that they are able two have improved site,

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they are able to have improved hearing. They are able

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when they're on this realm to have those facets that

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we lost long ago I think we did. We still

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have vestiges of supernatural ability. How many times do people

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go into a room just so we go into a

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room's crowded full of people, and we look around, but

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there's that one person we think you know something about,

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haven't spoken to them, but it's just something about the

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way they look, something about them that just no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no no no. It's a gut feeling. And yet there's

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other people that you just automatically, you haven't spoken to

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them before, you just know. You just bond. You just

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bond as places you go to and everyone's had this

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and you get that gut feeling. I'm not going to

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go up there anyway. No, it just seems wrong. That's

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our gut feeling. That's part of that supernatural ability we

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used to have, but society is has battered it out

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of us. You've got to get a job, you've got

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to earn money. You've got to then pay rent. Okay,

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you've got by clothes, Okay, I'm yeah, I guess I hear.

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on board society and you've got to forget the older ways.

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more pagan ways, No, I'm just staying from the point

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of view of knowing nature, knowing our abilities that we

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used to have, that we did have, And I think

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that when we're so surprised seeing dog Man with his

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abilities that he has, shouldn't really be that surprised because

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he's still got his supernatural abilities. It's just that we've

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forgotten ours because of outside factors. So yeah, that was

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my take on dog Man, really, Vic and how I

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figured that it's interacting with us.

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Speaker 2: That's off to you, Phil, That's got to be the

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most impressive, in my opinion, accurate explanation for why they're

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so difficult to film, why they can do so many

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of these things that just normally defy explanation. I'm really impressed.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: If you've had a dog mean encounter that you need

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, obviously it's open for debate,

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but it's as I say, it's just my take on

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things from experience and reading up and you know, just

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kind of acknowledging some of the things that some of

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the traits they have see. I also believe that now

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a lot of people were going to say, because the

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dog man in a way gets dog man, do get

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really bad rap, And I'm not. I'm not completely against that.

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You know, there is there is some which are okay,

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dog man going plans. They do going clans. Okay, Now

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there's certain rules they have as well. They have rules.

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If they're found too have there's a dog band which

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has unlived a pregnant female, then they are unlive themselves

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by the clan unless they leave escape if you like,

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and that's when you get the rogue single dogment. It's

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much the same like with.

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Speaker 3: H They they have a they have.

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Speaker 1: Rules they have to abide by. They have to abide

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by them. They're not just reckless animals monsters out in

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the forest, which they are sentient, they're cognitive, they're thinking creatures.

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The one thing which differs with them because of their

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supernatural abilities, they're also instinctial and they can't help it.

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If there's a dog, they will they will attack that dog.

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If they can attack that dog, they will and if

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that's your dog, they will attack that dog. Cats they

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will torture. They will torture a cat. So that's that's

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another thing which they're quite well known to do. Now

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people say, well, okay, now I know myself like other

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people have that I've been near a dog man and

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it gives you that feeling of fear. It's just fearful.

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Why does it do that? Why does it give you

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that feeling of fear like it's going to like it

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wants to attack or take your head off. You know, Well,

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that's a byproduct of it's supernatural abilities. I believe it's

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part of what it is, what it does, it's part

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of it's if you like its infrasound defense system. Doesn't

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do it on purpose, it's just part of what it is.

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You have to remember that these things there, they when

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they're in this realm, when they're in this environment, they

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have to be very stealthy, and they're very good at

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being stealthy. But if they do come across us, then

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we will interpret their them themselves as being on intent

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to harm. But we have to we have to take

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on board one thing, and that is how many witnesses

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have come forward. Quite a few witnesses, you know, the

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VIC show many many witnesses. How many witnesses have actually

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been her injured or bitten? How many witnesses have been

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taken away? How many witnesses have lived to tell their account? Yes,

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I know they have taken animals. And I'm the first one.

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I'm the first one to be absolutely. I've got dogs myself.

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I've devastated. I know. There's one account I'll talk about

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where I had to with me and it really annoyed immensely.

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It annoyed the documents that were there, but the witnesses themselves. Yes,

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do you get that feeling, Yes, you get that fear feeling. Yes,

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you get a fear factor. But that's a byproduct of

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their supernatural ability. That's what they have, Like crocodiles, like elephants,

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they have that infrasound byproduct their ability. And it's not

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just with you, it's with the bubble of silence that

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happens in the forest when they're near the witness walks

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into a part of the wood. I've done the same,

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and it's the best way I can describe it as

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a bubble. You're walking into a bubble and all of

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a sudden, you just noticed that boy is quiet, I

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mean really silly quiet. It's like just nothing. There's no

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there's no sound at all, a birds, nothing, It's just

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absolutely quiet. It's because it's not just us. It's not

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just us that recognizes that this entity we call dog

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man is in the area. It's supernatural. Birthy is infrasound,

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is able to permeate through that bubble in that forest

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and all all of those animals. It is a premum

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premium predator. Think of it that way. It is a

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top of the tree predator. Well, what gets me is

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with evolution, all animals are honed by diet, prey, an environment. Yeah,

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polar bears are built the way they are built, huge

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and white because they blend in you get an all

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manner of animals. Grizzlies why they built the way they're

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built because they spend a lot of their time in

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the woods. That's where they spend their time. And their

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predatory birds why they built the way they're built because

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they're not so predatory they're offering sects. But environment and

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prey hone the evolution of an animal. It's physicality. It

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molds as it has done with us. We wear clothes.

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Hence we're not hairy all over. Well some maybe, I

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mean I won't talk about the ex wife, but but

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a lot of times with evolution, it's it is the

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preying environment. So it begs the question, what then, being

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type free dog man? The dog man we know that

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builds with the large claws, big teeth, long muzzle, diamond shape,

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upper body filtering down into a smaller waist, and massive,

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big powerful legs. Digit grade legs with a hook. Has

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it got that Well, it's because it's instantaneous acceleration, like

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a dog has that ability, and when you see them run,

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it reminds me they've got that flexation in their legs.

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When you see one run, you can see its flex

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It flexes its legs in such a manner as a cheetah.

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Ward cheetable has almost like a boomerang spine. It has

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a lot of flexation on the spine, so it's able

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to actually it's able to flex its spine and then

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shoot straight off, so it kind of like careers off

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like a boomerang. That's what it gets up to speed.

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Exactly the same with digit grade legs. Evolutions made it

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so that it's instantaneous acceleration evolutions made it so it's

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got a massive, big claws. But it begs the point,

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what is it that praise on to warrant those claws,

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those digit grade legs, the speed of it. Did you

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want to hear my theory on what I believe that

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dog Man is actually here for.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I believe with dog Man that they are predatory.

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I also believe even though they're on us, they're able

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to's call it. They're no more felt. But they use

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velocity to skip framed. Okay, so they go faster than

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our frame of time. They can just instantly bomb gone.

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The way they look and the way they are, there's

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nothing on God's planet which would warrant such a a

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a predator. I mean, it's not until your you see one.

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People out there that I have seen them, and I

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know you've seen them, will be the first to agree

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with me that it's like nothing else on earth. These

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things they do stay with you because they are just

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a catch your parents' time. It's just a massive and

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they look so just I still have nightmares now, I

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still have nightmares and I'm fifty nine years old. I

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still have nightmares and my interaction was years and years ago.

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What could it possibly take down? Why is it built? Well,

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I think that it's built because it's part of It's

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part of Earth. If you like, it's Earth's warrior, it's

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Earth's soldier, it's the planet's soldier. No. I know there's

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people out there that all love and that's fine. I

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get it. I get it. It's just a theory. But

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just wait one second. If as we all know that,

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we feel it. I feel it. There is something on

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the horizon. There's something coming. There's something which governments and

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agencies are not telling us, but we've felt it for

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quite some time now. There's something. There's some rumblings going on.

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When you think about aliens. I think that with the

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aliens and alien accounts, they're the true horrific ones the grace.

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There's not one. There's not one single witness testimony that's

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come back of an abduction where they haven't suffered extreme

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memory loss PTSD. They've been experimented on, they've been probed,

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they've had objects placed under their skin. These people have

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really not had a good time. These entities that take

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them don't seem to almost childlike in their understanding of humanity.

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They have no idea the pain and suffering they're causing.

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Very often that the bacts, he will be on the

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table and crying. They're absolutely in tears. Why are you

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doing this? Why are doing to me? And the gray

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will turn around on them, whatever entity is taken, or

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we'll turn around that will say why are you crying? Well,

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of course we're crying. We're emotional beings. If as I

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feel that something is on the horizon, if as I

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feel that they would pose a threat, then I think

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dog Man would be the one and the clans would

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be the ones which would eradicate and it would nullify

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that threat. They would protect the planet. It's one thing

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that they will do. They will protect the planet just

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to really, you know, grind it inward people. And I'm

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so sorry about this. With Bigfoot, I do honestly think

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that Bigfoot is part of the alien agenda. I say

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that because a lot of times when UFOs land, there's

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been so many cases when UFOs are spotted, there's very

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often people have spotted a bigfoot in the area, and

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that's happened many, many, many times. How many times has

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it been to a dog man let me ask you

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that how many times, Oh, we saw an alien, it

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just landed over the then we saw a dog man. No,

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what you will see is you'll see a dog man

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after the fact, but you'll see a dog man traveling

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or going to the area. The dog man, I believe

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is here. And what we're what I'm getting, what witnesses

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are getting, is part of its supernatural ability. It's part

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of what it does. It's predatory, it's part of its makeup.

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And we're getting that fear, we're getting all the the

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rest of its abilities. We're picking up on it. It's here.

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I think it's always been here, and I think it

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is a protector. Yeah, and that's what I think. That

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that's what I believe anywhere. It's what I've come to realize.

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Speaker 2: You've put a lot of thoughts into this avenue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I kind of like a lot a

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lot of people out there. And I'm not saying I'm right,

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but like a lot of people out there. I uh,

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I'm trying to put the pieces of that jigsaw together,

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you know. Ah now it Yeah, some just don't fit

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and others do fit into the frame. But the ones

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which are fitting seem to be the ones that I'm mentioning,

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but you know, who knows who knows? You know, I

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do honestly believe you're right as well, Vic that they

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have been militarized, that they were. There is a place

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over here, and that place was closed down in nineteen fifties,

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but people will know it if you google it. It

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was called it's it's still called Porter Down and they've

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done a lot of chemical and virus testing there. Stars

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was tested there and developed another really nasty bugs and stuff.

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Now I know that there was a there was a

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chap I spoke to, and this is many years ago. Now.

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It was back in the time when urban explorers were

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kind of you know, the big thing, and there was

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three guys that yeah, there was three guys because the

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girl didn't go in in the end, but there's three

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guys that went into. It's not used anymore, all of them.

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But I did hear that they went in and they

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found that it was like a doorway. It was a

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doorway in the ground. It was like two cellar doors. Yeah,

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like you're getting a house when you open up the

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two cellar doors on the ground and they'd like flip open,

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you go downstairs. Case it's kind of like that anyway.

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They said it was open, but you'll guess as good

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as mine. I probably don't believe them, but you know,

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it's this huge base, if you like. But they went

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down there and they said they took footage. That footage

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has since disappeared, but they took footage of cages down

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under there, so if you can measure it. I was

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described to me as like a long, long corridor and

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to the left and right of them as they're walking

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down and it was like a dripping water because it's underground,

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so it's like kind of disused now, but to the

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left and right these cages like cells. She liked. But

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they said that the walls just claws, claw marks in

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the walls, just deep claw marks. Now, one of the

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guys said, went on. The other two kind of they

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kind of like freaked when they got to the end

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of the corridor because they could hear howling. Two of

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the guys freaked and went out, ran down the corridor

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and went out. The last guy he went on a

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little way. As far as I know, they didn't see

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him again as far as I know, And there was

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no investigations. I understand. This is just what I've been told.

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The footage that the guys had, the two guys that

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ran out, they had video footage that disappeared, but the

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last thing they said they heard was howling. And I

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think there is basis both in the UK and in

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the States, which have and probably do militarize they make

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these into military soldiers. They genetically splice them with other

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DNA and they make them militarized. I don't think it.

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It may not work entirely, and I think the ones

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that they try it and do it on, I think

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that they go into kill mode. Because remember these things,

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even though they're they're they're they're sentient, they're understanding, they're

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still instinctual. And if you militarize that and they've still

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got animal the animal instinct as well as that, as

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well as superior strength, as well as fantastical speed, instantaneous acceleration,

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then you're creating a weapon that really cannot be controlled

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and shouldn't be about. So whether those are still with us,

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whether they're still used, I don't notice anyone's guess, but yeah,

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it's a it's a scary fact. And I think you know,

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you're quite correct that they have in the past done that,

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and I think they would make great soldiers. Let's face it,

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they would make great super soldiers. But being that there

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hasn't been that many there has been accounts, but not

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that many accounts when it comes to sightings with super soldiers.

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But then you see, well, when you when you when

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you go into military archives and you're trying to get

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freedom of information released about something like that, you're just

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not going to get it. And I suspect any well,

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God help them. Let's face it, any enemy facing even

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two or three of those, if they've been if they've

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been suppliced at DNA to create a military weapon, a

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weapon's gray dog man, God help any enemy, they wouldn't

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probably be around to tell the tale that you know,

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or at least be a witness. There's no way.

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Speaker 2: There definitely wouldn't be considering all the abilities they obviously

470
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have in addition to them being so formidable, How do

471
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,559
you think it would be possible to force dog men

472
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,400
to follow orders?

473
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: No? Easy? Yeah, no, they would. I think they would

474
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,920
done easily follow orders because I think the chemical that

475
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,719
when they get spliced, they would also have to have

476
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,719
a symbiotic relationship with the handler, so they would have

477
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:37,679
to be both a chemical tracer and a I would

478
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:44,760
suspect they would have to be like a implantation within

479
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:53,519
the hippocampus itself for the handler, because there would only

480
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,440
be one handler for that one soldier. It wouldn't be

481
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,679
a case of just giving it orders and off it goes.

482
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,639
It would have to be regulated. It would then have

483
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,880
to be monitored. They would know it's heartbeat, they would

484
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,679
know it's they would know its blood pressure, they would

485
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:22,119
know it's it's probably even to the point of they

486
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,920
may even have had techn now I think even years ago,

487
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
and this would have been probably in the fifties sixties

488
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:35,719
at its height that this probably was going on. And

489
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,760
since then we've kind of like had rogue ones which

490
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,559
were even escaped from bases. Because you have to remember

491
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,159
that a lot of times with witnesses, they often see

492
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:55,280
soldiers themselves, yourself often see dogmen buy military bases. You yourself.

493
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,239
I've listened to a lot of your people that have

494
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,639
come forward on your show, and they often have said, look,

495
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
you know, we were stationed at Merchi Base. I used

496
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,440
to be at Merchi based, were out maneuvers. We saw

497
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,119
a dog man in the forest because they they they've

498
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:24,440
still instinctually got that symbiotic relationship. They will still have that.

499
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,639
There'll be rogues, they'll be single, they won't be part

500
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,239
of a clan that be ousted by the plan. If

501
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,199
they go back to the plan, they'll be unlived their rogue.

502
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:38,280
They've been worked on, they've been militarized. There's symbiotic both

503
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,159
be chemical tracer and also it would be an electrical

504
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,360
input which will be sent from giving instructions. So it's

505
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,639
it's not a robot. It's not been robotized. It's not

506
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,840
it's not it's not mechanical. It's still a dog man.

507
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:06,159
It's still flesh blood in this realm. But it's monitored

508
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:12,519
and it's given instruction by one single handler, and I

509
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:16,039
think that would be the way it would be governed

510
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:17,000
and given instruction.

511
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: Vic, You've definitely got some interesting theories about all this.

512
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,159
You have put a lot of time into this. I'm impressed.

513
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,599
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Yeah, as I say, it's just you know,

514
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,119
I've listened to a lot. I've listened to a lot

515
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,159
of people, and you know, it's another thing when you

516
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:45,079
listen to people's accounts. It's funny the amount of times

517
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,679
that these accounts they bleed over on to one another.

518
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:58,360
People have the same type of experiences, the same observations

519
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:07,159
of this same entity. So it's it's nothing which is

520
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:14,039
really quite unusual, that's laughable, but it's everyone has the

521
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:19,480
same feelings when they meet them. We have to look

522
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:23,920
at those commonalities and we have to put those commonalities together. So, okay, right,

523
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,760
they exude the feeling of fear, that's the first thing

524
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:32,320
we get that. That's okay, But I've explained that that's fine.

525
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:42,199
That's a byproduct. They also have lightning fast speed. Okay, like, yeah,

526
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:47,760
they did. Well, that's their evolutionary makeup. That's their digit

527
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,239
grade legs, their hooked legs, that's their they're gone. That

528
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,199
also goes partly because they can't be captured on film.

529
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,079
Why can't they be captured on film? Because you know,

530
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,199
even with some of the state of the art cameras

531
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,920
that we have now, which are doing one hundred and

532
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,800
twenty frames per second one hundred and twenty frames individual

533
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:17,559
frames per second, it's shooting at four K, even AK

534
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,199
still can't get them because they're on a different velocity

535
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,199
to mauk. They're on a slightly different frame when they

536
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,519
five off and they kick off and they move, they're

537
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,920
moving it a slight, a different velocity, which gives them

538
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,320
the ability to us it looks like they're all for now.

539
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:46,079
They then become avatars. There's much the same with when

540
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:48,679
you go into the quantum realm and you go into

541
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,920
neutrinos and everyone's looking for now. They've got the neutrino

542
00:48:55,079 --> 00:49:01,519
detector in Antarctica miles down, these probes miles down just

543
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:05,760
to try and because when the trinos go through the ice,

544
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:12,360
they react with certain atoms within the ice which can

545
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,960
then be detected. Because these neutrinos, as we're talking at

546
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,360
the moment, as you're listening, there's millions of neutrinos going

547
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,360
through you. And as neutrinos will come from space deep space,

548
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,760
but they're traveling so quickly. Now. Unlike photons, photons don't

549
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,679
have mass, Photons carry light, they don't have any mass.

550
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,119
Neutrinos do have mass, only small, but they do have mass.

551
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,559
And what they're trying to find at the moment is

552
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:54,320
relic neutrinos. Just a few minutes, a few minutes after

553
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,760
the Big Bang, these relic neutrinos were let loose into

554
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,199
the universe and they're trying to to detect those. Why

555
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,119
do I mention neutrino is because of velocity. They used

556
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,239
to try and detect them before Antarctica and Antarctic google

557
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:19,840
it the Antarctic detector. They used to use mines so

558
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,000
deep underground minds are people that no longer use gold mine,

559
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:26,559
silver mines, copper minds. They used to use those, and

560
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,039
they used to go to the deepest part of the

561
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,119
mine and they put on a lead plate, massive, big

562
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,840
lead plate just to try and slow the neutrino up

563
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:39,960
enough to capture it. Now, I use that as a

564
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:46,079
vague analogy to dog men and it's supernatural ability. It

565
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,000
goes on a different velocity, but we take it to

566
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,960
be it's morphed out. No, no, no, it has actually

567
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,280
morphed out. Oh it's gone for a portal. No, it

568
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,760
has actually portals. Do exist, don't get me wrong. Do exist.

569
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,079
I'm absolutely one hundred percent behind the fact that they exist.

570
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,920
But I'm also one hundred percent behind the fact that

571
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:17,840
dog man is nature's own predator, ultimate top of the

572
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:23,000
tree predator. It doesn't need it doesn't need bottles. Bigfoot

573
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:28,480
may Bigfoot does Bigfoot does, but then Bigfoot is a

574
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:33,719
totally different kettle fish. Bigfoot is not indigenous to Earth.

575
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,039
I'll probably get a lot of flak for that, but

576
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:43,159
that's fine. I'll fight my corner. It's not indigenous to Earth.

577
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,320
Dog Man I believe is well.

578
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 2: Like I said, you've got some interesting theories that definitely

579
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,199
seem to be well thought through. I'm sure a lot

580
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:57,480
of people listening to tonight's show are gonna, unfortunately disagree

581
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,519
with some of the things that you said, but they

582
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,559
can believe what they want. They can refuse to believe

583
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,239
what they don't want to believe, but they can't say

584
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,519
that you haven't thought this through. So have to give

585
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,760
you credit having said all of that, Phil, You've got

586
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,599
three dog mean encounters, so you haven't shared with this yet.

587
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:19,320
So instead of asking you to tell us about those

588
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,400
dog mean encounters tonight, I'd like to ask you some

589
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:26,320
questions here to round this show out. If you'd be

590
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,079
interested in coming back for a part three where you

591
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,360
told us about your dog mean encounters.

592
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, that'd be great, thank you, Vic. Yeah,

593
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,480
not at all, Yeah, far away with questions.

594
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: That's fine, great, Well, we'll do it that way. Then

595
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,199
you said that you think dog men are likely going

596
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,039
to eradicate the Grays if things go to pot with

597
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,119
the Grays. That is, how do you think dog men

598
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,119
could overcome the grays technology.

599
00:52:52,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: Though, Well, because the Grays don't really have technology, we

600
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:12,440
believe that they have ships UFOs. Once again, they're much

601
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,760
aligned with the military side of things. With militarizing dogmen,

602
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,119
there'll be a handler, there'll be one single pilot of

603
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:28,639
an organic what we take to be UFO. So these UFOs,

604
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:33,119
you have to look. When you look closer at the

605
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,119
UFOs that we see, they tend to morph, they tend

606
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:47,400
to change shape. These ships can also have instantaneous acceleration.

607
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:54,679
They can go eighteen thousand g's. They can go up

608
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,559
eight thousand g's with ease and then do a ninety

609
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,559
degree term. Anything organic on some would be mush turned

610
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:05,679
to soup. So how does it do it? Right? Okay,

611
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,559
Well that there has been there's been theories that they

612
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,599
actually create gravity around them. They create a bubble if

613
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:22,079
you like, so they pull instead of pushing with frost

614
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,320
as we do with rocketry and engines where we thrust

615
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,840
our way through the atmosphere. They actually create their own

616
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:39,480
gravity around the ship. I really believe that these craft

617
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,280
that we see are actually organic, so you can take

618
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,760
them to be creatures in a way. They're grown that

619
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,199
they have a pilot, they have a handler. Technology wise,

620
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:02,480
do you know what I think we deem to be. Wow,

621
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,119
that's really high tech what they've got, and they can

622
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:10,079
do such maneuvers. I think is once again a case

623
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:13,800
that these craft are organic. They're able to do it

624
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:21,679
as much as a we see a hummingbird, and we

625
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,880
look at a hummingbird ware, how does it able to

626
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:29,760
flick around so quickly and do those incredible turns and

627
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,360
maneuvers at such speed we can't even take in by

628
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:39,800
been watching it. It's much the same if they had

629
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,000
that technology. I think I think we like the idea

630
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,480
of technology, and I think we're at home to the

631
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,559
idea of technology. We're very adaptable to the idea of technology.

632
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,639
If you were to take a mobile phone now and

633
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,880
take it back a hundred years ago, they'd be looking

634
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,360
at it and going what is that? But we've kind

635
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,119
of and kids nowadays have have grown into the digital

636
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,519
life really easily. They've adopted it so easily, almost too easily.

637
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:18,480
It's like we're triggered for it. Uh, And I think

638
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:22,400
that's what we tend to grab hold of. We tend

639
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,400
to grab hold of the fact of technology. Maybe it's

640
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,119
not rick, maybe it's not Maybe it is organic. Maybe

641
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:33,679
it's more organic than we realized. And that's the big show,

642
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,559
you know, that's the big rollover that they're going to

643
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:40,000
come out with it. It's a bit like that film Nope,

644
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,159
you know, when the ship and they're going, you know,

645
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,239
and it looked like a cloud and it just morphed

646
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,039
and changed and it was actually an organic entity. So

647
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,199
I think I think, yeah, it would cope. I think

648
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,400
dog Man would cope. Yeah.

649
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,079
Speaker 2: It seems like before you come to a conclusion about anything,

650
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,280
you definitely do put a lot of thought into it.

651
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,320
And yeah, this isn't any different than the other things

652
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,119
that we talked about. It sounds like you've put a

653
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,599
lot of thought into this as well. You never cease

654
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:11,360
to impress, you really don't.

655
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,679
Speaker 1: No, thank you. I appreciate that really, especially coming from you. Man.

656
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. But yeah, I'm just telling them like

657
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,679
it is now. Phil, you made some definitive statements about

658
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:26,320
the behavior of dog Men on not being critical of you.

659
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,079
I'm just trying to understand here. How do you know

660
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,800
those things that you said about them are definitely true,

661
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,719
such as how clean how a pack is going to

662
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,960
deal with a dog man that steps out of line

663
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,039
by doing this or doing that.

664
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: I came to that conclusion because they would have to

665
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:57,679
have rules, and with people also that have come forward

666
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:09,400
and spoken to us, and with my own experience, they

667
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:17,519
don't and haven't. I wouldn't. I'm alive anything that is pregnant.

668
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:27,000
I've never known that. I believe they do travel impacts.

669
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:31,519
One of the reasons I believe that is because when

670
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:34,360
I first started this, and people might be thinking what

671
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,880
we feel, well, why do you call yourself on YouTube

672
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,760
dog man TP hunting? What's the TP hunt? What? What

673
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:47,239
kind of cooking things out? Ah? Well, it's because I

674
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,679
used to go out with my dogs into wards and

675
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:58,239
how I used to track dog men, and the way

676
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,840
I used to track them was using what they left behind. Now,

677
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,920
I'm not saying that every tpe structure, I'm not saying

678
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,000
that every X that we see in every y made

679
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:12,119
up a branches we see is down to dog men.

680
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:17,800
There's a lot of tepee structures that we see a bushcraft.

681
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:26,519
There's a lot which is made by the the Young

682
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,920
Army Cadet Force, but they always believe in the ethos

683
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:40,159
of if you use it, you then dis use it,

684
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:44,159
you take it down again, you don't leave it up.

685
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,400
You do get bushcraft, you do get kids going out

686
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:55,039
making shelters, but you don't often get kids going out

687
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:00,599
hiking for an hour into a thick wood thick wood

688
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,320
and then coming across a shelter or a TP structure

689
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,280
or an X. One of the reasons I believe that

690
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,519
they're traveling clans is because they leave the xes behind,

691
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,679
not the very big ones, but the smaller ones they

692
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,880
leave behind, and I think you have to read them.

693
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,239
There's a little bit like hieroglyphics. Think of it like hieroglyphics,

694
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:28,960
but a three dimensional hieroglyphics. And if you are to

695
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:32,840
use that X structure as crosshairs in the gun sight

696
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,320
and follow the X, it will lead you onto a

697
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,519
TP structure. It will lead you on to something else.

698
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:43,679
It will lead you on to a gathering spot. And

699
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,719
you'll know a gathering spot because a gathering spot will

700
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,800
have fallen trees around like benches in a kind of

701
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:59,079
circle with the TP structures a lot of them. They've

702
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,239
got a central spy and then they've got branches coming

703
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,039
down on them. Now, if it's bushcraft, then they would

704
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:08,199
be using what it's called a spud, and a spud

705
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,920
takes off any burs on the wood so that it

706
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:15,199
enables a bushcrafter to put a canopy over the top

707
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,679
to protect them from the rain or to protect them

708
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,119
from the wind. There's not a lot of point in

709
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,599
building a shelter if you haven't got protection from wind

710
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:27,840
or rain. But these structures don't have that protection from

711
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,920
wind and rain. They don't have ferns on them, they

712
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,280
don't have impacted mud grasses that open the open spines.

713
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,519
And I think that once again is a language. And

714
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:45,679
I think when you find them and they're out in

715
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,159
the middle of nowhere, that's a language. And that's basically

716
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,280
they will use a scout, and a scout goes on

717
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,480
the head and the scout leaves the configuration, belts it

718
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:03,360
together and it makes it really quickly. Uses branches which

719
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,239
are always you won't ever find any of the branches

720
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:10,320
on these structures, which are newly cut off trees or

721
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,440
broken off trees. They are all gathered backbreakingly, all gathered

722
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,639
off the forest or wood floor, and then put up

723
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:24,199
into a structure as a telltale sign. Who who would

724
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,559
actually do that? So you know it's you would You

725
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:33,920
would saw down a branch, branches you wouldn't backbreakingly pick

726
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,239
up from the forest floor around you all the branches

727
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:40,079
to put together. They do. They do for reason because

728
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,400
it's sending a message to the plan that's following. This

729
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:49,719
is the direction going in, and it gives information eg uh, prey,

730
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:54,760
type of prey, quantity of prey. It's just unfortunate. I

731
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,920
as yet don't know how to read those. Not yet,

732
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:03,400
I don't know. But there is a commonality with them

733
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:08,239
throughout the world that wherever they're found, always in a

734
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,559
deeper part of woods. For forests, they've got the same

735
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,880
bill type, a central spine and branches coming off to

736
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:22,079
left them right, almost looking like a rib cage. And

737
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,960
they're all branches off the forest floor, all deadwood branches,

738
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,440
all stacked up neatly. A lot of them are intertwined,

739
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:36,519
woven into each other, quite complicated. But again they don't

740
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:41,519
give any They give purchase for strength, but they don't

741
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:44,079
offer any protection for wind or rain vig.

742
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:48,519
Speaker 2: If you found that many structures that they've made, I'm

743
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,920
sure at least on the occasion, one or two of

744
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,639
these guys have been around when you found these structures.

745
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:55,679
And if that was the keys, I wonder what they

746
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:57,079
thought about you finding them.

747
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that I've had. I've had a few hairy,

748
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:11,159
hairy occasions. Pardon the pun, I've had a few hairy occasions. Uh.

749
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,760
Like I said, you know, if you if you take

750
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,599
dogs with you, you look, Look, I don't want to

751
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,039
scare anyone. If you go in the wood, it's brilliant

752
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:24,800
take your dogs with you. They are not going to interfere.

753
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,079
If they don't, why should they expel energy on something

754
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,360
that's not a threat. Even if you've got dogs, it's

755
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,800
not a threat. They're not going to show themselves or

756
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:44,400
expel energy needlessly. They will, however, register the fact that

757
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:50,000
your intent is to harm. They will register that. They

758
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:53,199
will even register that before you get into the wood.

759
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:58,760
They have that ability. They know these entities know that,

760
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:04,320
and then yes, then they will they will. But yeah,

761
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,800
I don't know what they think of it. They probably

762
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,039
think I'm a I don't know. I think they're beer

763
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,039
mused to be honest, week, I think they just look

764
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:12,400
at me like some oddity.

765
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are still a lot of things

766
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:19,079
about you they don't understand, so to them, you probably

767
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,320
are an oddity, but you could be a lot worse,

768
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:28,800
so I would worry about that. Phil, we're out of time.

769
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,679
Are you sure you'd be up for coming back to

770
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,719
tell us about your dog me and encounters? And I've

771
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,159
got plenty of questions for you still.

772
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. I've got three really really

773
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:45,280
good accounts and also one very interesting legacy account that

774
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,519
happened to me when I was younger. I was twelve

775
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:52,840
years old, and I think people will find that that's

776
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,239
a quite scary one. Though, that's quite scary one. But yeah,

777
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,000
I'd like to share that one.

778
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that's greatly. I would have pressed you to tell

779
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,360
us about your encounters in the confines of this particular episode,

780
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,440
but it's been a long time since I've had somebody

781
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,960
come on and just talk dog men, someone who studies

782
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,400
the topic, just come on and share their knowledge with this.

783
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,159
In fact, if there any other researchers out there, investigators

784
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:20,719
out there, who would like to come on and do

785
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,960
the same thing, share their discoveries their opinions. By all means,

786
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,039
please let me know. I'd love to bring you on.

787
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,840
Just go to Dogmandcounters dot com and submit a report.

788
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,079
But having said all that, Phil, I can't thank you

789
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,079
enough for coming back on to do this, and of

790
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:40,079
course I'm looking forward to having you back for part three.

791
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Now you're more welcome. Thank you, Vick, and for anyone

792
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:48,480
out there, everyone out there, I just want to say, Nick,

793
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:52,840
people loved you when you came on our show dog

794
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,880
Men TP Hunting on YouTube. People are still raving about you.

795
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,480
They still they just love you. Man.

796
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,079
Speaker 2: I never will understand that why anyone would do that.

797
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:06,000
But thanks again so much for having me on and

798
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,559
everyone listening. So that you know, I'm going to post

799
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,679
a link to that show where I came on Phil's

800
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,480
show and he interviewed me and we had a good

801
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,800
talk about dog Men. I'm going to post a link

802
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,920
to that show in the description for tonight's show. That'll

803
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,320
make it really easy to find that.

804
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,719
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you on again one time, if

805
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:24,280
that's okay.

806
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:27,039
Speaker 2: Oh, by all means, yeah, just let me know on

807
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:32,119
definitely we'll set that up. But having said that, thanks again,

808
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:33,559
so much and have a great night