1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: If you've had a bigfoot sighting and we'd like to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,280 be a guest, please go to bigfootiewitness dot com and 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,560 let me know. Tonight's guest was featured on episode four 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,119 ten about two years ago, and on that show we 5 00:00:13,199 --> 00:00:17,719 talked about his first sasquatch sighting and several other sasquatch 6 00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:21,960 related experiences he's had. Well, because of those experiences, he 7 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:26,079 decided to create the American Primate Conservancy. That's one of 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,879 the things he talked about on that show. But his 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,559 research goes so deep I wanted to bring him back 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,399 on so we could go deeper. But having said all that, 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,479 without any further ado, I want to welcome back Toddnys Todd, 12 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:40,039 thanks so much for coming back. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,719 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me back. Beck. It's been 14 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:48,320 a ben quite a while, and so much has happened, 15 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,280 so I'm glad we have a chance to catch up. 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad to have you back. Someone like you. 17 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,640 I know you definitely don't let any grass grow under 18 00:00:56,679 --> 00:00:59,200 your feet, so please tell us what you've been up to. 19 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: Sure, So, just to catch everybody up, two years ago, 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,239 I moved from the formerly great state of Oregon to Arkansas, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,040 quite a culture shock. I'll have to tell you, I'm 22 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:23,319 just glad I married a translator, because people do things 23 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:25,920 a little different around here. But it's grown on me 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,239 and I've been loving it, and it's probably the best 25 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:35,439 move I've ever made. But moving from really what Bigfoot 26 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:39,319 ground zero if you will, that the Pacific Northwest is 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:45,959 known for to backwoods Arkansas, I was really concerned about 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,439 whether or not there was any sort of Bigfoot activity 29 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,560 in the area. I hadn't really focused on Arkansas at 30 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:59,439 allso but I was pleasantly surprised to find out not 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,200 only are are there a lot of sightings, both recent 32 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:13,479 and going back literally before the Civil War. I was, well, 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,840 I'll put it this way. I went through one database 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:25,520 and I found within about a forty mile radius of 35 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:33,919 where our ranch is up here above Jasper, Arkansas, I 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,759 was able to identify nineteen sightings. And now, when I 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,879 say sightings, I'm not just talking somebody said something and 38 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:44,800 somebody put a pin in the map. I'm talking sightings 39 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:52,120 that were not just reported, but were investigated. And so 40 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:56,759 I was very excited to find it nineteen sightings within 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:04,919 forty miles of here was happening, and honestly, just driving 42 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:10,639 around the area and getting myself familiarized with every red 43 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:17,000 dirt road I can find. I have been very impressed 44 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:19,479 with how many people as they get to know me 45 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:23,319 and what I'm all about, what they've had to say 46 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:27,280 and have come up to me in private. I happen 47 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,560 to have a couple of magnetic signs that have my Conservancies, 48 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,599 the American Primate Conservancies logo on it, so it's attention 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,800 as you can imagine. But I've just really been impressed 50 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:50,520 with not only the recorded history of they put sightings 51 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:57,000 in the air, beginning to meet the locals, and I 52 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:04,879 have to tell you that it's very interesting on a 53 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,599 number of levels, one of which is just the names 54 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:15,080 they call them. I have reference material that shows me 55 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:18,000 so hundreds of names actually, especially when they get into 56 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:26,160 the the indigenous people's languages. But around here it's kind 57 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,279 of it's I don't know, it's almost kind of goofy. 58 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,800 But at the same time, they are legit. They are 59 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:41,199 very humble people that they just kind of kick back 60 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,839 in their own way in the Arkansas way. And I 61 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:51,959 give you a couple for instances. There's down maybe ten 62 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,120 miles from here, as an area called Ponka, a little 63 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,240 tiny town. You blank and you miss it. But the 64 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:02,160 Ponka National Forest, which is comes right off of the 65 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:06,680 Buffalo National River, has had quite a few sightings in 66 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,959 soo much that they've actually named given a name to 67 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:18,040 the creature. Perhaps they just assume it's a single individual, 68 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:25,279 but the sightings have been so virulent that they they 69 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:32,560 just call it ponc a pete, right, pc a pete. 70 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:38,759 Of course, you get, you know, the standard stuff like oh, 71 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:46,079 the wild man buggers. One that jumped out at me. 72 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,720 That really struck me as just being so nonchalant. Somebody 73 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,439 told me, you get up around the area around like 74 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,279 deer and nails. You know, they got pretty funky names 75 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,959 for these towns. But these are like little amlets. They said, 76 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:08,680 don't mention bigfoot at all. Just bring up the wild folks, 77 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,720 not bigfoot at all, and they'll know exactly what you're 78 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,560 talking about, what you're referring to. And I just found 79 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,040 that so interesting because I've never heard that in over 80 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:23,399 thirty years of research. Just the wild folks. You know, 81 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:26,639 we got us regular folks here in town, then we 82 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:29,680 got them wild folks just outside of town. And yeah, 83 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,079 they're out there, and Floyd saw one about three weeks 84 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,120 back in this such and such holler, and they just 85 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,480 talk about it like you were talking about a horse 86 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,519 or a dog. You know, it's like the big deal. 87 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,720 Oh yeah, just them wild folks. Another one just down 88 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,279 the hill from me, there's a boy Scout camp called 89 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Camp of War and it's literally as a crow flies, 90 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:01,879 probably less than ten miles from where I'm at right now. 91 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:06,360 And they've had so many sightings around that boy Scout 92 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:13,879 camp and the surrounding area, including Twin Falls, that they've 93 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,639 also come up with a name for it. They call 94 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:23,120 it Smokey Joe. So but again, nobody even like you're 95 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,759 waiting for a punchline, and nobody's bringing it, because that's 96 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,759 they're very serious about it around here. I think the 97 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:34,399 oldest sighting I've found was in eighteen twenty seven and 98 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,879 a friend of mine contacted me and said, check into 99 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:45,800 the Blue Man. I'm like, okay, the Blue Man, I'll 100 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:49,360 look into it, and so I did, and it's it's 101 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:55,360 interesting the story. He talks about a local in eighteen 102 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:59,399 twenty seven who was out hunting. And you and I 103 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,879 both know if you didn't own a rifle and hunted, 104 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:10,279 you were, that's right of vegetarian so or unless you 105 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:15,879 knew a farmer, you know. But it was this guy 106 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,120 was out hunting for, you know, whatever game he could find, 107 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,839 and he figured the bigger the tracks, the larger the meal, 108 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:28,839 and ultimately came upon some tracks that were extremely large 109 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:33,480 that he couldn't make hedge tails of. But he's like, 110 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,679 I'm going to go check this out. So he followed 111 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,799 these large human like footprints and came up in an 112 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:47,000 area near well, just say he was following his game 113 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:53,600 trail and this game trail start angling up this hill 114 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:56,159 and he's following these tracks when he heard a noise 115 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,039 and he looked up the trail and here comes a 116 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:08,600 boulder about as big around as a dishwasher, just comes 117 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,080 rolling down the hill down that game trail toward him, 118 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,879 and he jumped out of the way. And you know, 119 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,919 if you know anything about geology around here, that's not unusual. 120 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,279 You know, the gravity kicks in, and you know, winter 121 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:29,000 comes and water pools up around these rocks and it expands. 122 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,720 They get loose, and every once in a while they're 123 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,200 gonna fall. It's no big deal. So he stepped out 124 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,159 of the way. And this huge boulder goes rolling by, 125 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,159 and okay, he's going to get back on the hunt. 126 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,519 He stepped back in the trail only to see a 127 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,399 second boulder coming down, this one a little larger than 128 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:50,600 a watermelon. But it's coming again down the trail. He's like, okay, 129 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,360 now the odds are getting a little interesting. So after 130 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,279 the second boulder went by, he stepped out a third 131 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,159 time and caught the culprit in the act. And it was, 132 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:14,000 by his description, a giant human, hair covered human, a 133 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,440 wild man that if anything he had ever seen. So 134 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:24,240 at that he left the area. And now the area 135 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,919 is known as Blue Springs. It's not too far from Yurika. 136 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:34,399 And the reason they call it Blue Man, it's kind 137 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:38,759 of a play on words, if you will, because the 138 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,960 gentleman's name was Blue. His parents had named him Blue, 139 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:49,039 and so Blue was in the area where this happened, 140 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:53,000 and there was this spring there. And everybody thinks Blue 141 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,320 Springs named after the color of the water, it's not. 142 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:58,559 It was named after Blue, who discovered the springs while 143 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:06,200 hunting the this this creature that he didn't realize was 144 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,960 what it was. So anyway, so you're talking, you know, 145 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,279 forty years before the Civil War, and so these stories 146 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,720 go way back around here. And so bottom line is, 147 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:25,200 I've decided to re establish myself here. And in the 148 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,240 course of the last two years since we talked, I've 149 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,440 put on a couple of town halls. For instance, I 150 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,840 did one at a place called JJ's Buffalo Bar and 151 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:45,519 Brill just across the county line. And I just happened 152 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,679 to have a documentary team staying with me here at 153 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,759 the ranch doing a documentary on the Ozarks. They put 154 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:57,399 in the Ozarks, and so they were more than happy 155 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:02,600 to participate in this town hall. And we're talking a 156 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:07,279 Thursday in a very small not even in a town really, 157 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:13,360 just outside this county line. Thursday would normally be a 158 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,039 karaoke night and there may be eight to twelve people there. 159 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:26,600 We really didn't even advertise this much. And let's just 160 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:30,039 say the owner was pretty shocked when seventy five people 161 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:38,159 showed up that night. And yeah, so since then it 162 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:43,000 actually made the papers. And I've done some other free 163 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:51,159 talks to Jasper Library or at for the for the 164 00:12:51,240 --> 00:13:02,039 Kowanas up in Eureka area Berryville, and I have to 165 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:06,519 say last year was the busiest year I've had in 166 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:11,120 terms of public speaking, I spoke at no less than 167 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,679 ten different events all around the country. And that's after 168 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:20,759 turning down three this year, I'm kind of kicking back 169 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:25,600 a little bit. I've been doing quite a bit of 170 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:32,120 research in writing and what have you. I did, however, 171 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:38,279 put on an event here locally at a place called 172 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,559 J three at the Gap, and we just called the 173 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,039 event Squatching at the Gap, And for our first time 174 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:50,360 event in an area that's never had an event like this, 175 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,320 we did alright. I think we counted about one hundred 176 00:13:53,320 --> 00:14:00,039 and seventy two attendees and I was very fortunate to 177 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,399 get some kind of a lister speakers to show up 178 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:14,720 on their own accord. Ron Moorehead, Scott Nilson, Bryan Terrell, 179 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:25,039 Daryl den and Brett Eichenberger and Jill Brenda Smeyer from 180 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:33,399 Residents Productions that put out the flash and beauty series 181 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Flash Beauty Bigfoot, Reveal the flashm Beauty Pronomal Bigfoot, and 182 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:41,600 they're working on a number of others. But they flew 183 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,360 all the way off from the Oregon. We had people 184 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,519 coming from Starways, New Jersey and all on their own dime, 185 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,840 just because this was essentially a nonprofit event set up 186 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:57,559 to be a fundraiser for a local veterans support group 187 00:14:57,679 --> 00:15:02,120 called Camp Jack and we raised for six hundred dollars 188 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:08,879 for them. And so yeah, I've been busy getting some 189 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:17,879 uh getting established here in the area. I've got a 190 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,399 speaking engagement coming up on the sixth and uh North 191 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:31,679 Little Rock a place called Old Bart's a big brewery 192 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,240 there in North Little Rock. It's called Cryptofest. Should be 193 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,759 a lot of fun. And then I'm scheduled to speak 194 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:45,200 in October in uh In, Texas at the Texas State 195 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Foot Conference. So other than that, I've just been keeping 196 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:55,720 busy here. I'm on a farm and trying to stay 197 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,240 out of trouble. 198 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:00,519 Speaker 1: Well that's a lot easier said than done. But with 199 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,480 as busy as you stay, I guess it's probably a 200 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,559 lot easier than it could be. Huh oh yeah, all 201 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,840 debt todd Like pretty much everywhere else this year, Arkansas 202 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,360 has absolutely eaten up with ticks. Do you stay out 203 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,519 of the woods during the warmer months the way a 204 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:20,720 lot of other investigators do, or do you still head 205 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,120 in when it's warm out? 206 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you should say that. My wife actually 207 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,960 is become a victim of what they call alpha gal 208 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,519 syndrome that is spread by the lone start tick, and 209 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:44,320 it's affecting her diet and her ability to consume anything 210 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:49,960 that might be related to beef or pork. So we're 211 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:54,519 kind of making that adjudstment. You know. Ticks. I You know, 212 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:56,759 when I first moved out here, I was like, what 213 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 have I done? I mean, there's spiders it'll kill you, 214 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,080 snakes that will kill you. It ticks the will ruin 215 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:08,240 your life, you know pretty much. There's plants that can 216 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,079 kill you that I mean, the air condemnic you with 217 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,160 tornadoes and you know what I mean. So what have 218 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,799 I gotten into it? But when it comes to that, now, 219 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:26,160 one thing I was turned onto by locals that work 220 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,119 in the field quite a bit. You know, utility workers, 221 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:34,119 people work on water systems and electrical systems and and 222 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:38,640 sewer systems whatnot. Is there is a special soap. I 223 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,240 won't uh plug it, but there is a soap that 224 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:48,680 they sell down here at the hardware store that ironically 225 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,519 is from Oregon, you know where I come from. But 226 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:55,119 they sell it out here. And if I'm going to 227 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,000 be working out in the yard or if I'm going 228 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:00,279 to be out in the in the woods. I lather 229 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,559 up with this stuff. It's got kind of a pine 230 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,519 scent to it, and apparently the takest out don't like it, 231 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,559 and that's mine by me. But as long as I 232 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,839 as long as I, you know, scrub up with that 233 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960 so before I get out, it seems to work pretty 234 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:18,480 darn good. 235 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: Well that's interesting. After we wrap, I'm gonna definitely have 236 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,279 to find out what that soap is. 237 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,079 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got ticks in your area too. 238 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Dew we all over the place. 239 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: This has been a crazy year. 240 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: It sure has. As cold as it was this winter, 241 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,200 You think that would have really put the KaiB wash 242 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,799 on them, but with all the snow we had, unfortunately 243 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:44,440 it insulated them, so that's why they're so bad. 244 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: I didn't think about that, unfortunately. 245 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever asked you this before, But 246 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,599 why did you move to Arkansas out of all the 247 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:57,119 places you could have moved to when you decided to 248 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:57,880 leave Oregon? 249 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:04,559 Speaker 2: Well, you know, actually, the decision to leave Oregon was 250 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:09,640 never on the table. And in fact, I've spent over 251 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:13,079 sixty years of my life in Oregon and I love 252 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,640 it very much. Don't get me wrong. When I met 253 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:24,000 my wife Angela. We met at a big Foot conference 254 00:19:24,039 --> 00:19:29,160 go figure. And this was in the Watchetaw Mountains which 255 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:35,519 run southwest to here kind of along with the Oklahoma 256 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,359 Arkansas border, beautiful mountains, very similar to the Ozarks, and 257 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,799 I was speaking there. We met. We kind of ate 258 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,079 it awfully, changed phone members. Next thing you know, I 259 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,519 come out to Arkansas and took her hand in marriage 260 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:57,160 and then kidnapped her and took her back to Oregon. 261 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:07,599 We lived there for about two years now. We still 262 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,000 owned a small house in Benton, just south of Little 263 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:13,480 Rock that we had so we had a place to 264 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:17,279 stay when we came to visit family and whatnot. But 265 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,319 it was a It was on a vacation that we 266 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,640 rented a cabin here maybe I don't know, ten miles 267 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,559 from where I'm at now, And we just decided because 268 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:36,480 we really didn't know where we're at other than we 269 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,400 were up in these beautiful mountains, and we decided to 270 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,359 take a road trip. So we got our rental car 271 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:46,680 and we started driving. And I don't know what possessed me, 272 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,759 but I'm driving up in the mountains and something said 273 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,440 turn here, and I left the pavement and I got 274 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 on this red dirt road, and I didn't I had 275 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000 no idea where we're going, but I thought, well, let's 276 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,640 see where this goes. And we got probably about a 277 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,880 I don't know, half a mile in and there was 278 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,480 this little tiny sign that said house for sound. Now 279 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,920 where we looking for our house now? But we're just 280 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,759 out tool and around. Let's check it out. So we 281 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,799 ended up just going up, up and up, and then 282 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,039 we crested this hill and here's this little one story 283 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:39,680 ranch brick house with a separate matching brick two car 284 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,759 garage in a swimming pool out bag. But it was 285 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,519 not the structures that struck me, but the view was 286 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,799 is incredible. On a clear day, I can see over 287 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,480 fifty miles in almost every direction. Well, had this had 288 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,000 this house not even been here, I have no doubt 289 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:08,640 I would have just bought it for the property. I 290 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,920 mean picture taking a basketball and cutting it in half 291 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,359 and then placing it down on the on the top 292 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,240 of a point. The point's already twenty one and forty 293 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:22,680 seven feet high, towering above the Buffalo Nashville River. But 294 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,400 now you put this basketball, you know, this dome if 295 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,960 you will, on top of that point and We're sitting 296 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,960 at like twenty two hundred and ten feet and there 297 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,079 is nothing in any direction that I turned that's higher 298 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,720 than we are. And so yeah, we just you know, 299 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,680 we did some inquiring, got the calculator out, did some math, 300 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:48,920 and went, yeah, I think we can do this, and 301 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:55,319 so I we bought this as actually a third home 302 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720 at that time, with the intent of staying in Oregon. 303 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:03,400 But you know, we we got addicted and we just 304 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,759 kept coming back and back, and pretty soon we just 305 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,960 made the decision, you know what, let's sell the Oregon house, 306 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960 let's get caught up on our bills, and let's let's 307 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:16,839 just stay here. And like I say, I think it's 308 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,680 probably one of the best moves I've ever made. I 309 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,240 really love it. 310 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: You well, from the way you describe it, I can 311 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:25,200 understand why. It just sounds like a dream property to me. 312 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: Wow. 313 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I've always said if the highway went past 314 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,240 our property, they would have they would have taken it 315 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:40,160 and turned it into a viewpoint. But you know, we've 316 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,640 got it to ourselves, and it's just gorgeous. In the morning, 317 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,279 the fog raises off the Buffalo River down in the 318 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,640 valleys fifteen hundred feet below and you can just see 319 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,000 this ribbon, a fog going as you know, as far 320 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,160 as you can see. And I can't hear a vehicle 321 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,599 from my backyard, like all I hear is birds and 322 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:07,400 a little bit of a breeze, and it's very peaceful. 323 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,359 Put that way. 324 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,039 Speaker 1: Oh, it must be aping a beautiful picture, you really do. 325 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,720 I'd imagine that Arkansas would be one of the most 326 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,160 favorable places for a sasquatch investigator to live due to 327 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,079 a lot of factors. But can you think of any 328 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,880 drawbacks that came along with you moving there and doing 329 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,279 what you. 330 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:40,039 Speaker 2: Do well other than trying to get myself initially recognized 331 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,559 in the area. Not really, you know, living in small 332 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,240 towns like this, people kind of tend to major you, 333 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:55,279 if you know what I mean. And you know, I'm 334 00:24:55,319 --> 00:25:03,680 sure I had had my my detractors, if you will. 335 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,319 But all in all, I think people have been very 336 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,960 receptive to what I do. And I don't get the 337 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,480 sort of, you know, the ridicule that you might find 338 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,279 in more suburban or urban areas, because people out here 339 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,359 in the country, it's not a it's not a new 340 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200 thing to that. In fact, they almost think it's funny 341 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,839 that you think it might be, you know, but it's 342 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,440 really part of the vernacular in a way I did 343 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:44,160 not expect. And so for whatever drawbacks there may have been, 344 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:51,079 there's been plenty of support locally of me doing the 345 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,680 research around here and really trying to put Gaspar on 346 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:55,119 the map. 347 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,759 Speaker 1: For more reasons than the ones you highlighted. I would 348 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:02,119 imagine that that area of Arkansas would be almost a 349 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,680 perfect place for an investigator to live. It's got to 350 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,039 be all right, Todd. What can you tell us about 351 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,359 the experiences you've had since we recorded that episode four 352 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,400 ten two years ago. 353 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 2: So I have gone out locally with some local bigfoot groups. Specifically, 354 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:34,720 there's one called the Those Are Bigfoot Cartel. Funny name, 355 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:39,680 but some very very serious people involved, and I've been 356 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,920 out with them several times, and with varying degrees of success, 357 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:54,680 we've gotten some tracks and some vocalizations in an area 358 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,839 they've marked off. They call it area too, so I 359 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,839 imagine there's a one out there. But now that and 360 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,319 getting out with the documentary team and showing them around, 361 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,599 it seems like the Buffalo National River is kind of 362 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,960 a magnet or sidings because of a couple of things. 363 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:24,039 One that this area was visited thousands and thousands of 364 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:30,440 years ago by upwards of five different Native American tribes, 365 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,240 some that stayed here long term, like the Osage as 366 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:46,200 well as Cherokee. Literally lived in caves and cliff dwellings 367 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,880 as they're called, and they're all over the place, and 368 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,160 it's caves go into the hundreds and those are just 369 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,839 the ones they know about. They're constantly finding new caves. 370 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:05,640 The cliff dwellings are very interesting because they may have 371 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,759 a cave to the back of them, but just geologically, 372 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,920 if you look at it as a huge be like 373 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,240 a cliff with a big overhang over it, and there 374 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,920 were tribes that set up in there, you know, over 375 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,240 three thousand years ago. I've discovered two of them just 376 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,000 within less than a mile of my property. And these 377 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:35,279 have yet to be even analyzed and researched at all. 378 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:41,759 Both of them are on private property. So you know, 379 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,680 is Bigfoot or sasquatch, what do you call it? Trumpodite? 380 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:53,920 Do they do? They use caves and caverns and bluff dwellings. 381 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,839 I don't see why not. There's plenty of it around 382 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,680 and no matter how how harsh the weather, can be here, 383 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920 and you know, first year I was here, we hit 384 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,799 minus four degrees in the winter. In the summer it'll 385 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:12,720 get well into the three digits. But in those caves, 386 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,640 you don't have to go back more than one hundred 387 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160 feet or so, and it's consistently like in the mid fifties, 388 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,599 which not only helps in terms of sheltering individuals, whether 389 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,519 they be a Native American or the Bigfoot, but it 390 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:33,319 also helps in preserving food. For instance, it almost acts 391 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:38,359 like a like a refrigerated storage area when you get 392 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640 back inside of those And of course most caves are 393 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,319 carved by water seed you generally have a water source 394 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:51,880 within the cave system itself, So it really doesn't surprise 395 00:29:52,039 --> 00:30:02,000 me that the Buffalo River estuary is as active as 396 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,799 it really is. One of the sightings I heard about 397 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:10,799 was right when we got it, maybe about two years ago. 398 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,359 Father and son were kayaking. You have to understand, the 399 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,400 Buffalo River is Nemo's kayaking canoe river in the United States, 400 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:28,000 so kayaking is very popular around here, and the river itself, 401 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,680 although from beginning to end, if you just drew a 402 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,759 straight line, it's only fifty miles from the headwaters to 403 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,559 where it goes into the White River. It's actually so 404 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,039 squarely that it breaks down into one hundred and thirty 405 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,519 seven miles of river in that fifty mile stretch. So 406 00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:50,079 we'll give you an ideas it's one turn after the next, 407 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:55,839 and people a lot of times will camp. They may 408 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,400 take two or three days and camp out on the 409 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,839 way down, which was the case two years ago with 410 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:11,720 his father and son. They put in. Trying to remember 411 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,640 the name of that little town, it'll come to me 412 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:24,480 about probably about halfway down the river. Rush is the 413 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,160 name of the town. It was an old it's an 414 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:28,359 abay as of ghost town right now, but it used 415 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,519 to be a zinc mine right there along the river. 416 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,359 And so they put in at the Rush put in, 417 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,480 and they've gotten maybe a little more than a mile downstream, 418 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,480 and I think one of them had to go to 419 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,839 the bathroom whatever. So they pulled up on a beach 420 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,240 and took care of business. And when they did, they 421 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,680 were hearing some very interesting vocalizations coming from across the 422 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,839 river that they couldn't assign to any sort of known animal. 423 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:06,440 It's just really bizarre vocalizations coming out of this hollow 424 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,359 from across the river. And as they were getting ready 425 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,599 to get back in their kayaks. Suddenly some very large rocks, 426 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:23,000 anywhere from size of watermelon to candlo were being launched 427 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:24,920 out into the middle of the river. So I'm not 428 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,119 talking like rolling down off the cliffs or anything along 429 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960 the shore line. These things are being launched from out 430 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,960 of this hollow where these sounds are coming from. And 431 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,359 I mean, you and I pick up a watermelon sized rock, 432 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,559 we won't be able to throw it ten feet. But 433 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,200 yet these things are sailing through the air hundreds of 434 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,599 feet to get out to the middle of the river. 435 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,319 So that was enough to get them to get the 436 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,599 heck out of there, which is what they did. And 437 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,160 I don't even know what the odds are vic this 438 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,880 the way. It continued that night because they went another 439 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,160 couple of miles downstream and decided to set up camp 440 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,599 for the night, and they had they build a campfire, 441 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,480 and they were having a good time, father and son, 442 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,519 and they decided to turn in, and so the fire 443 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,079 is still flickering a little bit. They're sharing a tent, 444 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,920 and sometime in the middle of the night they start 445 00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:36,119 hearing these vocalizations very similar to what they had heard. 446 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,799 A couple of miles upstream, and initially it was coming 447 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,960 from behind them, from behind where their heads were, and 448 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,680 then just as quickly they heard it similar vocalizations coming 449 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,160 from the opposite direction. So there was actually there were 450 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:04,359 actually two different individuals that were conversing, I imagine, and 451 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,840 that really got their attention, of course. And then ultimately 452 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,719 they heard footprints going foot steps, if you will, very 453 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,920 heavy footsteps literally walking through their camp area. And so 454 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,000 come the next day, before the sun even rose, just 455 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,519 at the crack of dawn where there was enough light 456 00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:31,159 to see, father and son made a plan to get 457 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,119 the heck out of there, and they be doing so, 458 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,960 they left their entire camp site behind, their tent, everything 459 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,559 they had brought. They as soon as they had enough 460 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:48,000 light to see, they got in their kayaks and laughed 461 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,320 and never came back and left their entire campsite behind. 462 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,440 So that's one of the more current ones. Although I 463 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:03,760 did see something in the competing podcasts name I will 464 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,679 not mention, but that supposedly happened here again with a 465 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,880 kayaker just in the last couple of weeks, where this 466 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,519 individual is with a group of four or five different 467 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:25,760 kayakers and they looked up on the cliffs above the river, 468 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,599 which you have to understand with the way this river 469 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,760 flows through the forest, it's kind of like a miniature gorge, 470 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,159 if you will. On the outside of every turn is 471 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:41,679 about a two to three hundred foot high white limestone cliff. 472 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:46,639 On the inside opposite of that cliff, it's generally like 473 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:52,480 a little beach. And then so it's turning counterclockwise, the 474 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:56,000 next corner you come to might be going clockwise. And 475 00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:01,239 now that this cliff is on your left and a 476 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,800 beach on youre right opposite that cliff, and it's like 477 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,320 that all the way down. Anyway, they were cruising through 478 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840 this one area and they looked up on the cliff 479 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:15,840 and they noticed what appeared to be a cave. And 480 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,960 they noticed two individuals up along that cliff at that cave, 481 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,760 one smaller than the other, And initially they thought they 482 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,480 were they were hikers, but as they were familiar with 483 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,199 the area, they knew the Buffalo National the Buffalo River Trail, 484 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,320 the BRT doesn't go up that high on the cliff, 485 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,719 and they're like, well, they would have had to really 486 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,920 bushwhack to get into that up to that cave, being 487 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,320 no trail going there. And then Ultimately they got a 488 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,039 better look and they're like, that doesn't look like people 489 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,679 at all. And just about that time, these two individuals 490 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,159 disappeared into the cave. I'm still trying to get in 491 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,920 touch with the podcaster that ran that interview because that 492 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,079 literally is probably within ten miles of where I'm sitting 493 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,800 right now, and I really need to find out where 494 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,880 that that cave is, and if I have to repel 495 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,559 down to it, i will. But yeah, there's this a 496 00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:31,400 lot of activity in this area, and I have not 497 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:32,639 been disappointed yet. 498 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,679 Speaker 1: Well, when you consider all the the woods and all 499 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,480 the habitat of these guys would have, Yeah, you would 500 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,440 think the area you'd be crawling with them. You really would. 501 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,800 When you had your first sighting in the Oregon Coast range, 502 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,840 do you have any idea how that experience would change 503 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,320 the shape of your life? 504 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 2: Oh? No, no, I had no idea. You know, I 505 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:03,800 had about a twenty five second view of these three 506 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:09,000 individuals back on April third of nineteen ninety three, and 507 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,960 like so many people, the vast majority of people, right 508 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,719 after having you know, seen them and a good, good, 509 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,159 clear viewing of them for a substantial period of time, 510 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,239 you know, relative to most sightings. Once I lost sight 511 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,880 of them, I kind of you know, you can imagine 512 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,159 my head was just like spinning with all kinds of questions. 513 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:46,039 But ultimately I had decided that probably the best course 514 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,320 of action for me would be to keep my mouth shut. 515 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,960 You know, the ridicule factors certainly plays a part, But 516 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:02,199 of course, anybody that knew me, I was somebody that 517 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,039 was prone to making things like that up. But on 518 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:10,639 the same token, I was not only a non commissioned officer, yeah, 519 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,639 the military, but I was a family man, and being 520 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,880 in the National Guard, I had a day job, and 521 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,440 I was at that time a vice president of a 522 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:25,719 shipping company in Portland, Oregon, and I worked hard for 523 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,000 that reputation, and I really did not want, I didn't 524 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:35,440 need the attention. For sure. I've always said most people 525 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,679 have a lot more to lose than to gain to 526 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,880 by coming forward. So I put myself in that category. 527 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,280 Even though, and I know we discussed this. There was 528 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,400 another soldier who almost within a few minutes of my sighting, 529 00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:03,320 caught on to the fact that I was, you know, 530 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,119 straining to look in the direction where they had come from, 531 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,760 and approached me and asked me if I had seen 532 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,719 what he had seen at this last sight and you know, 533 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,360 same description, same number, everything. But even with that, you know, 534 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,320 like I was like, Okay, I didn't need the corroboration. 535 00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:32,400 I can't see what I saw, But on the same token, 536 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,679 I don't need the attention, you know. So it took 537 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,159 me quite some time before I ever considered going public. 538 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:55,719 I was very fortunate in that the first serious research 539 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:02,400 group I got in touch with was actually what was 540 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,719 called then the Bigfoot Research Project, that was headed up 541 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:12,079 by none other than Peter Burn, who you may know 542 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:17,480 had been a pioneer in the Bigfoot research for decades, 543 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,159 and I was very fortunate to meet up with him, 544 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:26,280 and then they came out and then investigated my sighting 545 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:34,679 and considered it, considered it valid. And it was actually 546 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:41,119 Peter who suggested to me. And it's kind of funny 547 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,400 because you know, Peter himself never really had a sighting 548 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,639 in all of his sixty plus years of research, unfortunately, 549 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:54,719 but he knew of a group called the Western Bigfoot 550 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,519 Society that was in the Portland area that met monthly 551 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,320 in the basement of this news book store, and he 552 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,039 kind of took pity on me. I think to a 553 00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,119 degree that. 554 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 4: He he after interviewing so many different people in the 555 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,760 course of decades, that he realized the stigma that comes 556 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,079 with having. 557 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 2: Seeing something that isn't supposed to be or the knowledge 558 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:34,440 of something that most people will not will not believe in, 559 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:40,519 and we'll question you on that. That stigma is very real. 560 00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:48,639 And so what he introduced to was probably the Bigfoot 561 00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:55,360 equivalent of alcoholics. Anonymous. Yes, it was a bunch of 562 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,800 a bunch of a lot of not just believers, but 563 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:08,320 people that had actually had witnessed these creatures gathering together 564 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,199 in the basement of this book story. Like, you know, 565 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,880 like it was different, but but you know, you felt comfortable. 566 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000 There were people there that had shared the experience that 567 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:23,119 you had. But it was you know, it's like him, 568 00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:30,320 My name's Todd. I'm a big Foot experiencer, Hi Todd. 569 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,199 You know, Yeah, I kept waiting to get my you know, 570 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,599 my six month coin never came. But just the same, 571 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:47,039 it was it was a nice outlet for people, and 572 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,960 really the first place I spoke semi publicly, I guess, 573 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:58,119 kind of within a group of my peers. Ultimately, things 574 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:03,360 came down the pike. The first television show I got 575 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,000 involved with was Unsolved Mysteries back in nineteen ninety four 576 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,320 when Peter burn had told me that they were coming 577 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,239 out to do some filming. And since then, I've actually 578 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,320 I've lost count, to be honest with you, I think 579 00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:23,559 like thirty plus different TV shows and documentaries I've done 580 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:27,480 since then. But there just comes a time where you 581 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:35,119 have to make a choice, where you have to really 582 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,800 ask yourself the hard question, and that is what is 583 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:49,480 more important in the final analysis. What's more important todd 584 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:59,559 Niece's reputation or the fact that there is an unrecognized 585 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:08,559 species that lives among us and that that is scientifically 586 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,360 and historically important. And it's no pun intended, but far 587 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,239 bigger than me. And so when I got to that point, 588 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,239 I knew that, you know, once the genie was out 589 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,320 of the bottle, I couldn't put it back in. But 590 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:32,119 I have no regrets. I don't I've followed my heart 591 00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:37,159 and I've done a lot of research, and that research 592 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,480 continues to this day. I don't make money doing what 593 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,280 I do, contrary to what a lot of people think. 594 00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:49,119 I'm lucky if I break even these days. But in 595 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:53,800 the past I've spent well into six figures in the 596 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,639 purchase of all kinds of equipment and traveling and putting 597 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:05,239 together expeditions. So yeah, So for me, it's it really is, 598 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,000 it's a personal passion, both on two levels. Really. One 599 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,079 one is very personal and that is I I want 600 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,079 so much to to see them again. It's it's you know, 601 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,360 it's kind of like winning the lottery if you do 602 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,000 get that opportunity. So you know, I'm going to keep 603 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,719 buying tickets till till I win again. But the other 604 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,360 part is the science of it, the biology of it, 605 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,079 and the fact that knowing these things exist and knowing 606 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:47,920 how rare they are that I'm concerned that the species 607 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,360 as a whole, the health of that of that species 608 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:57,760 may very well be threatened, if not endangered, And the 609 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,400 goal of the conservancy they are and primate conservancy ultimately, 610 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,440 our goal is to get laws on the books, to 611 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,960 get them protected, to at least attach some sort of 612 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:18,719 a penalty we have monetary or jail time or both. 613 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,239 But for anybody that would harm, intentionally harm or kill 614 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,599 one of these things, because let's face it, it's until 615 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,079 science is willing to, you know, accept that these things 616 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:42,840 are out there, it's open season. And I would not 617 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,599 be able to live with myself if I, in all 618 00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:53,599 of my adventures and research, if I did absolutely nothing 619 00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:59,639 to prevent something like that happening. And so you know, 620 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:05,159 the key is recognition, official recognition, and I'm working towards that. 621 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,760 You know, we've seen what's been going on with the 622 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:20,519 current administration and their willingness to bring out for instance, 623 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,280 and I hate to put them in the same category, 624 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,000 if you will, but they inevitably do. But when it 625 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,639 comes to the UFOs or what they're called UAPs and 626 00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:38,840 unidentified aerial phenomenon, you know, I think a lot of 627 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,679 what held them back in coming public about that was 628 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,599 a lot of people, a lot of taxpayers may get 629 00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:54,360 a little have an issue with the tax money being 630 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:04,480 spent on tracking UFOs. Be that as it may. I 631 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:11,800 think I think the government has been somewhat surprised at 632 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,199 at how many people actually accept that and actually expect 633 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:25,079 that of our government, uh to to be on top 634 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,760 of what's going on in in that department, there's a 635 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:37,800 an organization that it's called ARROW that is the ones 636 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,679 that that actually manage that through the Department of Defense. 637 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,480 But we talked about unidentified aerial phenomena that's looking up. 638 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:53,880 Where is the unidentified terrestrial phenomena group or the unidentified 639 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,360 marine phenomena? You know that, You know, we've got things 640 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:04,400 happening right here on my Earth that are still unexplainable. 641 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,880 And if we're going to be, you know, devoting our 642 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:17,400 time looking up into the universe and looking for certain 643 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,760 anomalies that are unexplainable, then my god, why not here 644 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:27,559 on this blue green marble we live on, you know. 645 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:35,320 So I'm actually working in the direction of getting in 646 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:44,760 touch with D O D and asking those raising those 647 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,239 questions and putting together a team of investigators who include 648 00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:59,239 PhDs people with solid academic backgrounds as well as researchers 649 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:07,480 and historians and photographic analysts, audio analysts, whatnot, and saying hey, 650 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:13,039 we're right here, stop looking up and look right in 651 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,440 front of you, because we haven't figured everything out here, 652 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,280 and so we'll see where that goes. But I think 653 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,639 if it's addressed properly, and especially looking through what AERO 654 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,519 has put out there as their mission and their mission statement, 655 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,519 I'm looking right at it says minimize technical and intelligence 656 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:42,679 surprise by synchronizing identification, attribution, and mitigation of U a 657 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:53,239 P in the vicinity of national security areas effectively and 658 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:59,000 efficiently detect, track, analyze, and managed anomalists detections and u 659 00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:07,480 a P the normalized and systematized department defense. I see 660 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:13,039 in civil business practices adhering to highest scientific and intelligent 661 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:19,320 tradecraft standards with transparency and shared awareness that it's not 662 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:27,679 really a huge leap to go from UAP to say 663 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:34,000 UTP that identified terrestrial phenomena. And so this is a 664 00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,599 direction that the Conservancy is heading and putting together a 665 00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:42,840 team and just using their own words, you know, their 666 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,440 mission statement and their vision and their function. It dovetails 667 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:54,360 very nicely. If you ask me with the sash squats phenomena. 668 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,039 Speaker 1: You're talking about the research in the UAPs and UTPs. 669 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,719 That brings a really good question, or I should say 670 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,360 that raises a really good question if you think about it. 671 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,840 I'm sure there's no lack of people out there who 672 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,719 would have a really big problem with their tax dollars 673 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,639 being directed towards research into UAPs because they see that 674 00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:22,079 as being nonsense, absolutely ridiculous. But have you ever thought 675 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,320 about how many people, how many more people would have 676 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,840 such a problem with their tax dollars being directed towards 677 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,800 looking into the possible existence of Sasquatch. 678 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,079 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and let's be honest, the reaction when they 679 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:45,960 formed ARROW and brought up the fact that they've had 680 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,400 been running files Project Gluebook being one of them that 681 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:56,440 go back fifty sixty years. They're just finally coming out 682 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,159 with it publicly that the Department of Defense has actually 683 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,000 been working on that. And I can imagine almost every 684 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:09,159 country on the planet has their own divisions that look 685 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,280 into this. You know, the United States isn't unique in 686 00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:17,679 seeing UFOs or UAPs, whatever you want to call them. 687 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,639 So I think they've actually been quite amused, if you will, 688 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:28,239 at the lack of backlash that they've been getting when 689 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,800 it comes to their handling of the UAP issue. And 690 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:40,079 I think that has opened the door for us bigfoot 691 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:46,559 researchers that I don't think it's a big stretch to say, Look, 692 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,719 you've already signed off, You've signed off on the fact 693 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:57,559 that your tax money is being used to investigate unidentified 694 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:03,639 aerial phenomena. Is it really that much to ask that 695 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:11,079 we apply the very same scientific standards to the potential 696 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:16,559 of unidentified terrestrial phenomena? And I don't think they're going 697 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:19,719 to get you know, it's sure. I mean you could go, 698 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,320 you could take this way out of whack and start 699 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,360 talking about you knowicorns and you know what have you. 700 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,079 But there is so much information and so much interest 701 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:37,920 in the Bigfoot phenomena. It's it's literally become pipe pop culture, 702 00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:46,199 maybe even more so than the UAPs or UFOs that 703 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,800 I don't think it would be really that hard of 704 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,280 the cell PIC to say, look, you guys already signed 705 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,880 off on the UAP thing. We're just opening another division 706 00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:01,920 or just a branch you will, UH to look into 707 00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:08,360 just a team of scientists to looking possibility of any 708 00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:16,000 species here on on terra firma that that we have 709 00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:22,440 yet to to identify positively. The sale has already been made. 710 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,400 If you asked me when when they When the government 711 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:35,639 came forward with the establishment of AERO and their mission 712 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:44,760 being focused on unidentified aerial phenomena, UH, I think they 713 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:53,159 opened the door for the same tax dollars being used 714 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:59,199 UH in a in a way that that people might 715 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,559 accept is to look for some species that are yet 716 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:11,480 to be identified, either ultimately identified or ultimately eliminated. But 717 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,679 you can't just leave this open question out there as 718 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:18,039 to whether or not this species exists, and there's there's 719 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:25,440 far more evidence that they do than that they don't. 720 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:32,679 And so Bigfoot is pop culture, and probably even more 721 00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:36,039 so than Little Green Men. So it's hard to find 722 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,159 anything that doesn't have a Bigfoot on it anymore. So 723 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,239 I don't think it's a hard sell now. I think, 724 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,599 like I said, I think with the government coming forward 725 00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:48,199 saying yeah, we've been spending your money on this. Oh, 726 00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:51,679 by the way, we just opened another branch or, we 727 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:58,960 put together another team of qualified sciencests and researchers, and 728 00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,519 we're going to follow this, you know, follow this to 729 00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:06,039 see where it leads. I don't think it's that. I 730 00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:13,440 guess when I heard about Arrow coming into public knowledge 731 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:19,760 and their willingness to share what they know about EAPs, 732 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,559 I just saw an opening. And I really think that 733 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,960 I don't think it's a big stretch to be able 734 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,639 to put together a good argument anyway for them to 735 00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:40,280 just extend what Ero's doing to terrestrial phenomena. 736 00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: See, that's one thing I think we disagree on. Todd. 737 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,119 It sounds like you think that for the most part, 738 00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:51,000 it would be fairly widely accepted if it was led 739 00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,000 out of the bag that this amount of our tax 740 00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,360 dollars are being directed towards research into the existence of 741 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,760 these guys and who knows whatever sasquatch related programs are 742 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,559 out there. But as far as I see it, I 743 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:07,519 think we've come a long way when it comes to 744 00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:10,960 sasquatch and people being open minded about that. But I 745 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,519 still think there'd be a lot of blowback if the 746 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,559 general public had a clue how much money are a 747 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:20,400 government directed towards programs like that. Now, I could be wrong. 748 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,920 I'd be the first person to admit that I could 749 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,199 be wrong, but I don't think I am. But we're 750 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,960 never going to know. That's just one of those things. 751 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,119 Speaker 2: Everything is relative big And I'm saying ten years ago, 752 00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:39,719 if the government said we want your tax dollars to 753 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:46,159 go toward investigating the possibility that theyfould exist, yeah, I 754 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:56,440 think you would be correct. But again with the with 755 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:03,800 them coming forward with er under the Department of Defense 756 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,400 pointing out that it's being used for up to think 757 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,719 about public is they want to know there is a 758 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:20,559 thirst for information with regards to certain anomalies that have 759 01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:25,480 just been persistent that continue to linger out there and 760 01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:29,400 more and more evidence piles up that nobody seems to 761 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,679 be doing anything with it. You know, AERO stands for 762 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:41,519 all domain, keyword all hyphen domain, All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Okay, 763 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,719 you're going to talk about all domains and anomalies that 764 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,960 need to be resolved in every domain. And you can't 765 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:57,840 just arbitrarily cut terrestrial the Earth itself off or the 766 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,880 other seventy percent of the planet, which is the oceans, 767 01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:10,440 which are you know, relatively as vast as outer space, 768 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440 and we don't know, we've hardly scratched a surface on 769 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:18,440 that stuff. So if in fact ARROW is the All 770 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:27,280 Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, then there's a domain called Terra Firma. 771 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,159 There are anomalies that are happening with regards to what's 772 01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:37,920 going on on the ground here and they need to 773 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,719 be resolved. So just by their own definition, they need 774 01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:49,639 to look at all domains. It's not just space. So they've, 775 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,679 like I said, they've opened that can of worms. People 776 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,719 have seemed to have accepted it and seem to be 777 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,360 very open to learning more and more and more about 778 01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:05,639 you know, these press releases about about UFOs. So I 779 01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:11,320 think they've you know again, I think they've opened that camera. 780 01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,000 They've let that genie out of borrow and I think 781 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,440 I think I said, if it was ten years ago, 782 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,960 you know it wouldn't happen. You'd go to Department of 783 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,280 the Interior or the Canadian version of it, or the 784 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,079 Department of Defense, and people have and they've gotten nowhere 785 01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:32,840 with it. But now with the advent of arrow, I 786 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,519 think they've definitely increased the odds that we can get 787 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:43,719 some funding to increase our research and our understanding. That's 788 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,639 just my two cents of that. There are more anomalies 789 01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,559 out there that need to be resolved than what is 790 01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:52,920 over our heads. 791 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,519 Speaker 1: Oh a niless number. And with regards to aero, can 792 01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,519 you imagine all the things that they've gotten key and 793 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:01,719 behind glass walls? 794 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:10,639 Speaker 2: Holy cow, you'd ever know? It could be like men 795 01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:15,000 in black You never know, they might be working with them. 796 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,519 Speaker 1: Who knows, or might supersede that even Well, we're about 797 01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,880 out of time, Todd. But before we do get out 798 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,039 of here, two things. Number One, if a sasquatch eyewitness 799 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,400 wants to contact you or the APC in general to 800 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,880 share an experience with you, what's the best way for 801 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:32,679 them to do that? 802 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:38,559 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not that hard to find. I have four 803 01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:43,039 Facebook pages, but I primarily monitor one, and that's the 804 01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:46,880 one that's just in my name, Todd, Nie and eis 805 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,360 that Facebook. It's my personal page. I look at that 806 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,320 quite regularly. Do have a website it is American Primate 807 01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:03,079 dot org and that's out there, and there's a reporting 808 01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:08,159 forum there that people can utilize and will alert me 809 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:12,320 to any reports that come in. And then if said 810 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,920 you just feel more comfortable with email, My email addresses 811 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:23,199 American Primates at aol dot com. So any of those 812 01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:27,320 three avenues are probably as good as any. Appreciate you asking. 813 01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,599 Speaker 1: Oh no, you're welcome, And of course I'm going to 814 01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,559 put your contact in film the description for tonight's show. 815 01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:37,480 That'll make it really easy for him. Glad to do that. Well, 816 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,000 before we do get out of here, lastly, are there 817 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,519 any projects you want to promote or would you like 818 01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:43,639 to promote the APC? 819 01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, last time, Well again, I think we've kind of 820 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:54,480 hit on. I'll be speaking in North Little Rock at 821 01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:02,840 Old Bart's Brewery. It's a great venue, fairly new venue 822 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,880 to do some of the best pork barbecue you could ever. Well, 823 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:14,000 it is the South and some great, great different ales 824 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,800 that they put that they grew up. We've got some 825 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,679 great people coming out. Guys from Crypto to the Corn 826 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:27,719 Podcast will be there. I would just keep your eyes 827 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:33,280 open online for that. It's an Arkansas Cryptid Festival coming 828 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,960 up June sixth in North Little Rock. And lastly, I 829 01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:44,480 will be speaking in Jefferson, Texas in mid October. I 830 01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:49,159 believe it's the fifteenth and sixteenth at the Texas Bigfoot 831 01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:55,480 Conference and I'm looking forward to that. So from that, 832 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:56,480 keep them busy. 833 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,119 Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before, that's just job secure. 834 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,760 Just sitting here listening to you share what you did tonight. 835 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,639 I can only imagine how much fun it would be 836 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,639 to go to a convention and sit and listen to 837 01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:10,000 one of your presentations. 838 01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 2: Well, I try to change them and keep them fresh. 839 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,159 My research is always ongoing and I've I've always prided 840 01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:24,400 myself on never repeating the same presentation and I don't, 841 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,280 So whatever you may have heard me say in the past, 842 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:33,079 trust me. What I'll be talking about next month and 843 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,280 here in a couple of weeks and what I talk 844 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,199 about in Texas will be completely different and updated. And 845 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760 so yeah, an ongoing quest. 846 01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it never does 847 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,280 end well. Having said that, I can't thank you enough 848 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,920 for coming back on to share these experiences with this 849 01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:54,280 and that info. I really do appreciate it, and if 850 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,320 I can ever help you, please let me know. 851 01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,679 Speaker 2: Thank you, Beck, it's been an honored to be back 852 01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,559 on your show, and yeah, please keep in touch. 853 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,679 Speaker 1: I'll do that well. Having said that, thanks again so 854 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,280 much for your time and have a great night. If 855 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,840 you'd like to be able to listen to the show 856 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,199 without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's 857 01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:19,679 an option. To find out how, please go to Bigfoot 858 01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,119 Eyewitness dot com Forward Slash podcast. 859 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 3: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with 860 01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:37,320 Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would 861 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,360 like to be a guest on the show, please go 862 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,280 to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd 863 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,519 love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a 864 01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:54,360 great night.