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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to That's Not Metal. We

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are your weekly rock and heavy music podcast. Today we

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are coming at you one of our big monthly reviews

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bags and last month, you know it's January. We started

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off pretty well. We had actually some really sizable albums

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to have really you know, big in depth talks about.

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We had a couple of really good albums as well,

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but I feel like looking at this month is where

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stuffers really started to heat up. For twenty twenty six,

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we have some caukers in this bunch from all you

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know areas and shapes and spectrums. Coming up today on

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this here review show on T and M, we are

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going to be tackling the new albums from Converge, Silosis, Mayhem,

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Worm Pony, Cryptic Shift, Halass, and Killing Pace. My name

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is Parenhyesh with me to do that very thing, Sam

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Dignon and Elliot Paisley I hear and for reasons that

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we're about to you know, quite shortly get onto. At

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the beginning of the show, I would say it's been

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another pretty positive week of good news here at T

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Speaker 2: I would say it's.

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Speaker 3: Been outrageous, like maybe the best news of the year.

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Has already happened, which so I mean I say it's

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the best news of this year. It's really the best

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news of next year, is what it is.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you're waiting over a year to get it.

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Speaker 3: It's about as happy as I've been about something relates

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to music ever in my life.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get right into that then, because you know,

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last week we were celebrating some certain live you know,

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band return announcements all that kind of thing. Today we're

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going to continue picking up right where we left off

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in that way, because Rush, who announced at the end

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of last year then about that they would be inexplicably

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but you know, quite welcomingly returning for a round of

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live dates. Of course, the you know classic pairing of

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Alex Lifson and Geddy Lee, along with a new drummer

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filling in paying tribute to the departed Neil Pertz. They

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were gonna be playing lot of dates. And the first

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thing that we said was, oh my god, can you

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imagine can you imagine if this goes further than just

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a handful of North American cities they had laid out

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for them there. Well, this week we got that their news,

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Rush announced dates for kind of all over place. Really,

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they're going to South America, They're going all sorts of places.

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it does include a return to Europe and the UK.

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Quite a few UK dates as well, like not even

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just the one in London or something. They've even I

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think started adding you know, extra dates onto I think

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they've added like a second Manchester date and this kind

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of thing. Now they are playing a good handful basically

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a couple weeks worth of you know, with days and

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dispersed of shows here in the UK. If you are

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somewhere else in you know, mainland Europe, then they I'm

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sure that they are. You know, there is a show

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within some kind of you know breadth to.

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Speaker 2: Where you are. Elliott.

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Speaker 1: When Rush announced that they were returning, RUSSI are a band,

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who I mean? I think one thing I've been gratually

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observing this even just talking to you know, tn M listeners,

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is how much Rush have kind of seemingly become a

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band that unite so many of us and just maximum

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good vibes really whenever any of us talk about or

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refer to Rush. But when it was announced that they'll

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be coming back, particularly you were like, oh my god,

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this is the thing that I would have been waiting

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my entire life for, right announcing returns to the UK.

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As we are doing this, you know, tickets have all

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you know, they've gone on sale, all that kind of

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business as a pre sale beforehand, all the usual stuff

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that you would expect. I can confirm for the curious view.

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We have in fact book basically a row of six

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seats for a load of our friends all in a

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row to just like absolutely raise hell.

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Speaker 2: At the back of the coat lib Ana.

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Speaker 1: In Manchester and Elliott down down at the O two

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actually quite quite fancier looking boat. Well yeah, so I

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was kind of in my head going what would I

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be willing to pay for a Russia? They kind of

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wasn't if it sounds mad, there wasn't really a number

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because I think you remember when we did the initial answer.

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Speaker 2: Then coming back was going like, oh god, maybe I'll

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Speaker 3: That would be a nice thing to do for myself,

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if if, if they don't bother coming over here. But

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early access code or whatever, and I just saw these

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four seats right in the middle of a two which

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I'm basically give it away exactly where I'm sisting. So

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if you, if you plan to murder me, that's where

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I'll be. But seeing those come up the Abraham Lincoln

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of Rush concerts. Yeah, and seeing that and then going Okay,

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this chance. And I say, I keep looking at my

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receipts for those tickets because it just it still hasn't

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Speaker 2: I have a year to get used to the idea.

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Speaker 3: The idea of the Rush would ever come back is

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mad the idea that I'd get to see them, if

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it was even madder that I'm in the position.

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Speaker 2: I honestly, I'm elated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna fly through this news pretty quick because

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we have a lot of big reviews to get through,

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as I'm sure that intro gave away. But this is

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by far the most tops off celebratory news certainly of

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this week. I know afi last week has some you know, contention,

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but this is such it's gonna be so good, it's

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gonna be such a good time. And officially from now

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until March of next year, Rush Season is absolutely on

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also returning to the UK, maybe not quite as long anticipated,

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but spirit Box Actually this is I found interesting. They

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are doing a UK arena headline tour and I know

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that they are now based at the stage of you know,

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going beyond doing their one you know London kind of

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minor appearance, that kind of thing, full on five date

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long arenas all roup and down the country. Spirit Box,

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I guess it's only been about you know, five six

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years emerged on the scene now, but full on arena

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band at this point and they're playing Yeah.

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start of it was the start ofl line middle last year,

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but like that's that was that was that was like

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a singular day and that's that's super quick. So it's

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not surprising that they've now gone, well, yeah, you know,

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we are a big arena band. They've got a sort

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of a nice support package that I think for spirit

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Speaker 2: Of Yeah, that's that's ginger and dying with about.

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Speaker 4: Saying like like a lot of people will kind of

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be like, yet you know metal fall bands with a

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woman at the front, that that's that's gonna be like

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because like I could totally see them filling Wembley. I

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that's like double the size of Wembley almost if you

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had it at maximum capacity.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I reckon they'll do it. I

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reckon they'll do it because these bands are massive, like

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a very popular band as well, But in terms of

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last of years, would probably give the edge to spirit Box.

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spirit Box and sleep Token, all these bands.

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Speaker 2: They're proven numbers.

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Speaker 5: I think off the back of.

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Speaker 4: That Grammy performance that we were saying was like a

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really kind of good kind of mentums swing for them

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Speaker 5: That would be really helpful. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think this is like, again, of the modern medical bands,

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the kind of like the most like good will towards.

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Speaker 5: So I really hope this tour, like.

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Speaker 4: Does you know, we get a bunch of out of

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reidates and it does kind of push them up to

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giving them maybe a download headline opportunity that feels like

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the sort of the next god of that, which again

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it feels crazy they've reached that so quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, spirit Box with Dyeing Wish opening

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this is one of you know, my handful of metal

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core shows per year which I could be tempted in

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attending and mentioning download there. They have added some more

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bands of their lineup, including for example a Data Remember

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have been added as a second stage headliner. But most

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of interesting me is the fact that they have announced

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the day splits and you can see where everything sits.

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fact that on the the Avalanche stage, the Sunday goes

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let live directly into Scooter. That's that's the point of

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interest for download, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It unbelievable vibes like get Jason up for for a

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scooter guest part at some point like the logical some

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of them or something ship.

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Speaker 5: Like that would be so good.

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stage is really like strong sort back off of that

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where you're getting pendulum collboy SAPs your biscuit in a

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road that's you know, you're you big like rock best

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party vibes.

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Speaker 2: That's skipping over scene Queen po d Hollyoad at the

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Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, like they do fit that run,

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and not saliva like my bad, you.

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so glad after those years of doing Fever three three

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three finally Jason and see how a real showman does

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part of his hands. So yeah, the point of interest

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for download, that's for sure. Arctangent have added final additions

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onto their lineup for this year, which includes the Cardiacs

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joining on the first day, also the I believe the

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first ever UK appearance of the Tony Danza tap Dance Extravaganza.

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So if you are deep in your kind of math, rocky,

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you know, fandom hole, then I'm sure that's huge news.

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the Cardiacs have you know, the whole, you know, long

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gestation story of how their latest album came out, having

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a I would imagine a fairly you know, rare prior

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a big draw for the Cardiacs fans.

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Speaker 2: That's massive. That's Codex because there's such a cult band.

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a festival that they're going to be suited to, Yeah,

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the Arc Tangents Cardiac's crossover is I'm sure pretty sizable,

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for Yeah. I'm want to say I'm stuck because I

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so Cardiacs are fully back.

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Speaker 2: Baby yeah, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: And if you are in that vendor ground with kind

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of interest that you aren't able to specifically make it

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called Machuchka, so it continually good stuff coming out of

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the Damnation camp. And if you are heavier and more

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extreme than that, then you might be tempted by a

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rare UK appearance from Blasphemy, who are performing at what

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seems to be a little sort of black metal festival

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based around the Underworld in London Stigion Invocation and it

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just it's the most like just bestial war metal maniac

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shit like Adori or on it. I think Archgoat have

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been added to it, but blasphemy. I don't know when

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the last time they would have played the UK was,

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and they're basically like the I was gonna say the

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Goat Band in that scene. Archgoat really a the Goat

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band in that scene, but like they are, you know,

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the Titans of it if you like so very you

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know in cult extreme metal circles. That is a big,

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you know, rare UK appearance onto album announcements. Last week

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we had, of course the teasers from At the Gates

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that they were going to be likely announcing their album.

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Speaker 2: Very very soon.

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Speaker 1: We now have the news that the app Thegates new album,

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of course, the the final album featuring the vocals of

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Thomas Limberg, is going to be titled The Ghost of

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a Future Dead, and it's going to be out on

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April the twenty fourth. And there is a single that's

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been out there. I think we should probably like leave

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most conversation for when the album itself comes out, but

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just you know, it's another brilliant melodic death metal track

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from the best band who ever played that kind of music.

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So April twenty fourth is when we'll be hearing that

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Oh no, no, you know you Saven Special recently is fucking

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a of all bads also announcing their first record in

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twenty years. It's called Prang because of course it is,

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and that's going to be out in May. A new

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track that I will throw up to Sam to talk

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about is there's also a new track out there from

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the Menzingers. It's called Nobody's Heroes. No albu announcement right now,

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but you would assume this is part of it. New

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Menzig is pretty good, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this seems to be this usually united the Mensinger's

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clans again. Everyone is like, yeah, the Menzigers are great again.

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I'm not intially sure because I still really like the

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last album. I mean, shit, they're working with will Yip again,

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which means the production is a bit more suited to

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what people.

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Speaker 5: Like about the Menzingers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, this is like, of course, I

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fucking love this is one of my favorite songs at

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the moment because the Menzingers being the Menzigers, but they

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do just want to look like it's that mid tempo

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Men that they've been doing, but we're just a bit

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more kind of like behind it, I guess, which is

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why I think everyone sort of welcomes this more than

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the last record. But yeah, you know, big heartfelt chorus,

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that second verse where like Greg is really giving it

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some That's why I was like, Ah, that's the fucking

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Mensingers that I love.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think this is great.

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Speaker 4: And it seems to have got people who were less

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keen on the previous album back to being like, yeah,

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the Mens are the best band in the world again.

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it more than the new single from Bert?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes I did. Do you know what? I got

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this one wrong pair and I got bar too wrong, Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this, this band getting big was such a mistake

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and it wasn't my mistake, it was your guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's no excuses.

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Speaker 5: This is.

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Speaker 4: Terrible and like, you know, have your bound because this

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is like Caleb, he is happy now, he's like in

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the best shape he's been in all. I'm like, but

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the music is god awful, like just the worst of

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you kind of like pop rock, octane core, like young bloodification,

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like all of the worst things going on. In alternative

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music right now coming together for this Bear Tooth song.

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It's really bad and I'm just like, I'm even got

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the energy to defend like the good albums now because

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it's just like, this is too far. This is what

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it's been, a bit building too not worth the energy.

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Speaker 2: M M yeah quite.

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Speaker 1: There an Iron Maiden documentary that's going to be hitting

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cinemas in May, which is called Burning Ambition, And my

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honor first reaction to this is how much more can.

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Speaker 2: We really know about Iron Made.

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Speaker 1: There are some bands where the that's a documentary and

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you're like, oh, yeah, that's interesting, Like you know they're

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they're a maybe they're a cult band, maybe you know

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the name.

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Speaker 2: And not the story or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The only people go to see this will be Iron

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Maiden's hardcore fans and they'll fucking know everything. What more

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there is to know about Iron Maiden that is two

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hour or documentary perhaps could possibly show me but maybe

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it'll be surprised. But if you need to know all

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the Iron Maiden facts that you probably already know, then

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it's out in May. The most dramatic news of the week,

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I think, came from the world of hardcore. First up,

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Better Lovers announcing that they have split with Greg Purchiato

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as their vocalists. Both camps have come forward to clarify that,

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you know, there's no falling out going on here. Perhaps

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you know, creative differences have been flown around or whatever,

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or just you know, the nebulous terms of wanting to

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go in different directions all that kind of stuff. But

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you know, they don't hate each other, so that's good.

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But this is I think maybe it's a moment too.

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I don't want to write off Better Lovers, you know,

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the band going forward, because they have said that they

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are going to you know, find a new vocalist and

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then you know, work on and put out a second

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album and obviously we will keep tabs on that and

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hopefully it's good. But certainly, the hype around the first

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couple of years of Better Lovers was centered on the

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sort of supergroup element of it being the you know,

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most of every time I Die fronted by the singer

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of a another legendary hardcoal band who had also very

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recently hung up you know, the their their their their

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guitars in Dillinger and the you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the the.

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Speaker 1: Greg every Time I die X Factor combo was essentially

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the entire cell of what Better Lovers was, and now

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that that era has come to an end, maybe it's

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time to, I suppose, take stock of you know how

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much those first couple of years of Better Lovers really

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I don't know delivered on that promise, I suppose. And

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what do you think this might mean for this outfit

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going forward? And how you know, I said kind of

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how continually beloved or popular or whatever they might be.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like that's the.

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Speaker 4: Thing is like obviously when it was at the whole

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every time I Dillinger thing from a from when I

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got out, So that was such a like holy shit

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thing that it almost gond of for me, put like

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a way of expectations that I don't think I've actually

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could have lived up to you because it is the

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meeting of like two of the greatest bands in their

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scene coming together. And again, I still love the Better

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Lovers EP. I think the ALM's really good, but it

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never did quite become like match up to everything. Like

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if you put this against the every time My Die albums,

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it would be near the bottom of the pile, like

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not not.

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Speaker 5: Evely not the worst.

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Speaker 4: And that that that that group done but it wouldn't

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be It's not up there with the best thing of

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everything like that. And again same with Dylinger, like interms

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of Greg's work, and the thing that was was always

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kind of like good care hardcore with a with a

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good Greg preacher and vocal kind of on the front

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of it, but it never kind of like properly sparkled

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and had that amazing X factor outside of the live environment.

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I will say, like live Better Lovers with Greg were unbelievable,

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as you would expect those guys playing those songs live

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with that front man insane. It just I mean on record,

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and I think for me why I'm not totally down

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on this is I think the weakest part of Better

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Lovers in terms of like the coming together the formula

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was Greg. He felt like he was kind of like

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I don't honestly underforming, but he never felt like you

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were getting the magic that you knew Greg preachart was

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capable of or like. And it was where it felt

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like the biggest step down compared to what every time

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my dad would do with Kieth was in the sort

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of the vocals and the lyrics and the melodies and all

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that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 5: It was never as good, So I was kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like, do you know what, I'm willing to sort

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of give them a sort of like like they've had,

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you know, that the supergroup moment to kind of get

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the thing off the ground. If they're getting a new

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vocals she was an unknown, I'm willing to sort of

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going completely fresh as and see where this goes.

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Speaker 5: Whether they'll be.

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Speaker 4: Given that same grace by everyone who was just kind

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of like wowed by the supergroup factor remains to be seen.

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But I'm not like, I don't see this as sort

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of like a writing off point for Better Lovers, because

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I think it never actually did kind of like deliver

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on what that combination.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps should have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think better Lovers. Musically, there were always a

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band for every time I Die fans more than Dillinger fans,

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because you know, fundamentally the guys writing the music, and

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you know, the instrumental players in the band, and the

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feel of the band is dictated by members of it.

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Every time I die more so and Greg, I don't

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know to what creative degree he was, like, you know,

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really involved with the direction of the records and all

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of that, but you could imagine of all the projects

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that Greg has been involved in since Dillinger. Right, Better

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Lovers could almost be the one where he clocks In,

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goes goes yeah, clocks In goes mad for a bit

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and then disappears off and does some crazy solo album

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or something like that. And Better Lovers. I, I mean,

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I never saw Better Lovers live, and I kind of

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wish that I had at some point now. But because

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I know that, like everybody who's rabid about Better Lovers,

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the live environment is what they actually spoke about. They

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were a seven out of ten band on record, like

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that's just what they were.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 1: The EP and the album are both pretty decent, and

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neither of them really they they scratched a itch, but

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they did not excel and did not go above and beyond.

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And maybe that kind of you know, not a mismatch

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of chemistry, but maybe just you know, two great things

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that didn't necessarily produce absolute transcendental magic like people kind

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of hoped it would. I suppose maybe unrealistically, you know,

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didn't exactly happen together. I do think that with that

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in mind, another another album with you know, a new vocalist,

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wherever it be. Of course, the immediate joke is maybe

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get that Keith Buckley guy in. I'm sure that he's

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not that busy, because I think that's really what everyone wants,

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isn't it. But you know, another album with another guy.

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I don't know either. I'm sure that it could be

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of similar quality to the first st Halt they part

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with Greg, maybe hopefully in an ideal scenario beyond that

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in terms of the public interest in it, if it's

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not exceptional, right, if they come out with something that's

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essentially of a similar quality to what they did with Greg,

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but with a less famous guy. I don't know how

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much the you know, it's the new shiny thing buzz

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will continue around bet A others, but it has yet

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to be seen. Maybe this gives further credence to my

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hope that the Black Queen come back and do something

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else that'd be lovely.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I felt finding this coming the week after about the

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Black Queen return last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm probably I'd imagine maybe the least

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with better lovers out of the three of us, perhaps,

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But I always really liked Every Time I Die. I

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absolutely love Dylinger. I always thought it was a slightly

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odd combination. I think when it first got announced, I

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got swept up in that thing as well. I got thinking, yeah,

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you know, songs like Milk Lizard, where that southern rock

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thing is a flavor, and I kind of overruled in

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my head that actually they're two bands that don't actually

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have a ton in common, which maybe for me is

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why it never felt like even really the sum of

478
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,680
its part.

479
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 2: So it was always kind of less than that.

480
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,279
Speaker 3: So I think if they get someone else who's maybe

481
00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,079
better suited to that style that they seem like, the

482
00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,880
band themselves seem like they're very o fa or locked

483
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,160
in with a style of riff writing, style of song,

484
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:44,599
and if Graphas is not a natural fit for that,

485
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,519
then someone else's maybe I'd like it more.

486
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, So I think of trust that that is

487
00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:54,079
the direction in which it goes. And the wilder us

488
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,720
to come at a hardcore this week comes in the

489
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:59,960
form of Kickback, Kickback, the I think it's fair to

490
00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,680
at this sage legendary hardcore band, French hardcore band from

491
00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:06,720
sort of the mid to late nineties who returned in

492
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,599
one of the you know, the constant turnover hardcore bands

493
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,559
who go away and then come back and get books

494
00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:13,519
to play, you know, big slots at dedicated hardcore festivals

495
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:15,279
because there's a new generation of people who want to

496
00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,680
swing their fists these you know, hard mosh parts and

497
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,039
all that kind of stuff. Kickback returned recently and have

498
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,119
been playing a series of hardcore festivals. And I know

499
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,079
that we've not been, you know, name dropping Kickback every

500
00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:29,680
single week or whatever, but I thought we should mention this,

501
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,400
considering we did discuss them a little bit on the

502
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,839
first part of our nineteen ninety seven special, when perhaps

503
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,200
their most iconic album, Forever War, turned up as part

504
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,880
of the sort of hardcore gauntlet of you know, hardcore

505
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,720
records from that year that we spoke about this week,

506
00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:48,839
Kickback have been removed from one at least one of

507
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,359
maybe the sort of developer I don't know, but at

508
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920
least one of the hardcore fesselals. They have been booked

509
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:57,440
to return and play, specifically Revolution Calling citing with the

510
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720
you know, the organizers who again remove this from from

511
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,240
the bill, citing connections that have come to light between

512
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,640
Kickback and a bunch of let's say, unsavory stuff. And

513
00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:08,759
I can be open here and say that, you know,

514
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,920
I don't entirely you know, I'm not entirely on top

515
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,880
of and entirely belonging to necessarily the ins and outs

516
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,559
of what every hardcore band who comes and goes have

517
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,640
have been into. Let's say, so, this was like a

518
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,200
total what the fuck is going on?

519
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:22,799
Speaker 2: From me.

520
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: I've seen probably some people being like, how did you

521
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,240
not know this about Kickback? And I'm like, okay, I'm

522
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,000
just I'm just not that you know, in deep in

523
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,000
that scene, in that community. But Kickback essentially the thing

524
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,559
that I've seen spilling across the internet is again, this

525
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,200
is all alleged. I don't know these things. These are

526
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,599
just the things that are kind of being drawn out

527
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,799
and you know, come into light. Apparently in the most

528
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,680
extreme form. We're seeing them accused of essentially far right

529
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,000
Nazi There's a whole bunch of stuff coming out about

530
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,519
the members having you know, connections to far right movements

531
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:59,160
in France, including NSBN bands in France, including Peste Noir,

532
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,359
And I was like, I can't that Peste Noir are

533
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,759
a you know, an infamous figure in the sort.

534
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,039
Speaker 2: Of SBN scene. I didn't expect.

535
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:08,799
Speaker 1: Peste Noir to bec coming up in hardcore circles, but

536
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:12,279
there you go, and again all sorts of accusations being

537
00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,359
thrown at members of Kickback, which has a result of

538
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,079
them being removed, as said, from at least one of

539
00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,839
these festivals, and they are still booked to play plenty

540
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:21,720
of others. And I guess that this will be the

541
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,680
you know, the culture kind of conflict going back and

542
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,039
forth between how much of this continues, how much of

543
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,960
this is you know, evidentially true or not or whatever.

544
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,119
But I saw these, again, very extreme accusation flying around,

545
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,440
and I was like, Sam, are Kickback the inquisition of hardcore?

546
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:37,519
Is this what is happening?

547
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: So, like again I was still process because again it

548
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,799
says it is kind of like primarily the vocalist, I

549
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,720
think is I don't know exactly insauts, but like might

550
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,559
be the only actual original member in this current iteration

551
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,799
of Kickback, because like the guitarist from God's Hate is

552
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:57,160
playing a kickback right now, So like like do you

553
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,319
know that's a that's like two extra men of like

554
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,200
the political spectrum right there, like so that there are

555
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,160
like hired hands kind of playing a kickback. So that's

556
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,559
one of the things. But like I was, there's like,

557
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,759
how do you know it's because because I didn't read

558
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:13,920
an entirely in French interview or magazine post from like

559
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,960
fifteen years ago.

560
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: The law like all that.

561
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: I was like, I just kind of got into Kickback

562
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,640
how many years ago when I was kind of getting

563
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,079
going through my night's hardcore sort of stuff, and I

564
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,039
was like, yeah, man, this goes hard and just never

565
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:26,680
gonna dug into.

566
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 5: Maybe that's a lesson to me, is like do research

567
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:29,920
these bands?

568
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: Do you just google everything that goes on with any

569
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,279
like European band at this point, because knows what's.

570
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: Going on over there.

571
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: At least it's not just the French black metal bands.

572
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:44,319
Speaker 4: I mean digging It's like, yeah, like the vocus of Kickback,

573
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,759
here's him like digging up a grave and like taking

574
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:50,039
pictures of like a corpse in the grave. And it's like, Okay,

575
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,960
is the dude just insane? Is he like just an

576
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:53,279
insane edge lord?

577
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 5: Is he a Nazi? Like I've seen so many contradictings.

578
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: What means like clearly he is like out there, like

579
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,000
I mean, yeah, he's got stuff going on. That's when

580
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,640
we can ever draw it. But is it like actual Nazism?

581
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,000
Is it he's just fucking like trying to push boundaries?

582
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:10,680
And be edge and all that, like who knows, But

583
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,039
I was just gonna like kick back, like we kickback

584
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:14,359
a back.

585
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 5: Oh no, kickback are like pretty.

586
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: Pretty quick one this But I guess remains to be

587
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,640
seen how much wide reasons they literally got announced.

588
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,279
Speaker 5: I think for festival today.

589
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 4: I think tied down, which is one to try their

590
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,480
line up and like kickback of down in the middle

591
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440
of the lineup. I was like, it's ongoing, so we'll

592
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,480
see how far how far this goes as to whether

593
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,079
like this does become a full on like yeah, the

594
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,319
Kickback reunion it's killed dead.

595
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely fucking well.

596
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, I did not expect all the connections

597
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,440
that appear into, you know, areas of other things that

598
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,079
I've blacklists when Kickback in this, But there you go. Yeah,

599
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,200
I said, it remains to be seen. But hardcore stays

600
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,720
fucking mental normally, doesn't it. Right, Let us move on

601
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:00,920
aside from that would be a very strange way to

602
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,279
segue into plugging a nineteen ninety seven specials, wouldn't it.

603
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,680
But that's there on the patreoon if you want to

604
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,440
hear everything we've been going now we're gonna be finishing

605
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,839
that quite soon patron dot com. Slash That's no Metal

606
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,039
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607
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,079
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608
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:17,599
to everybody who goes and does that very thing. Let

609
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,279
us do what we're really here to do, which is

610
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,599
do the reviews rundown for this month, and we start,

611
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,720
of course with Converge and Lover is not enough from

612
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720
one side of the hardcore spectrum to really another. If

613
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,559
there's one album this year that I think maybe all

614
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,920
of us would be pretty unanimously looking forward to, it's

615
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,200
probably a new Converge. Despite the fact that they are

616
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,960
well over thirty years into their career, they are quite

617
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,079
simply still the band. And I think that's how it

618
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,480
felt with this coming out, right, like not very much

619
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,759
disagreement or hot takes or anything, just lots of people

620
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:52,240
being like.

621
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,559
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, that's the band. And I don't remember a time.

622
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: We Converge weren't considered cool. But considering how you know,

623
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,440
complete the outside of you know themselves, who have always

624
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,880
kind of suck to what they would always do. Anyway,

625
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,039
the waves of metabic hardcore have come and gone, you know,

626
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,839
and the twenty twenties are now the time when that

627
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,160
style is cooler than it's pretty much ever been, right

628
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,119
and taking up a larger share of the wider zeitgeide

629
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,640
of heavy music. They're kind of even more the band

630
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,920
in that sense because in a more minor way, maybe

631
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,160
it's almost comparable to something like Deaftones, because it's you know,

632
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,599
not that Converge are suddenly playing you know, huge venues

633
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,440
or whatever, but a new generation of people loving the

634
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,400
current generation of hardcore bands. Then you know it could

635
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
come out to shows and Converge are still there as

636
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400
the band who everyone points to as that's the peak

637
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,440
of the mountain, That's the band who cannot be beaten.

638
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: It's the right of passage, cutting your teeth.

639
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,039
Speaker 1: In that genre that everyone wants to get into at

640
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,119
the moment is listening to Jane Doe and writing a

641
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,599
notes apopology if you don't like it. Converge are as

642
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,640
much the high watermark of what this more popular than

643
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240
ever genre is capable of as they have ever been

644
00:28:59,279 --> 00:28:59,920
in their history.

645
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: I think yeah, I mean they are the kind of

646
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,480
like the band even points to, and you know, the

647
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,720
ongoing online metal core wars of true metal core force metal,

648
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
like the true medical crowd. They kind of hold it

649
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,480
into like everyone has to listen to Convergent. You have

650
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,440
to like Convergion. If you don't like Converge, your you're weak.

651
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,640
And they are correct and saying that people who don't

652
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,279
like Converge are week, but it is just, you know,

653
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,759
it's just put Converged on a pedestal that like they've

654
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,079
always kind of been on. They've always kind of been like,

655
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160
as you say, regarded as that band. But it's just

656
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,119
like I say, it's a newer younger generation have kind

657
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,559
of like fully come around and embrace it, and it's

658
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,240
like it's funny because it's also led to like a

659
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,920
different like era of Converged records being kind of like

660
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,920
a praise like nineties Converge is maybe the coolest it's

661
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,279
ever been in terms of like that people.

662
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,799
Speaker 2: When Forever comes crushing now it's mad like that.

663
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:47,559
Speaker 4: You know, when I was getting Converged, I was like,

664
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,240
you know, it hames cool, but they are nowhere near

665
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,279
what the the peaks the band go on to do

666
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,400
and everyone's like, no, man, night is Converged is the

667
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,119
fucking shit Now it's the hardest shit, And I'm like,

668
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960
it's so interesting to see how this band are. But

669
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,519
it's kind of like, but I was saying, like conversives,

670
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,480
the night is now, it's all loved. There is not

671
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,720
like a bad Converged record out there there. Everyone will

672
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160
probably pick a different pick a different Converge record as

673
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,799
their favorite because everyone is just so in on this

674
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,920
band and everything they stand for and sort of represent.

675
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:14,559
Speaker 5: And it was gonna when.

676
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,519
Speaker 4: They announce a new album, it was kind of like, oh,

677
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,799
here we go, like everyone's on board and everyone's gonna saying,

678
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,720
here's a new Converged record. Now's the time to get

679
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,920
in and like, join us and get in on this

680
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,720
new Converge record.

681
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: Come on, listen to the good metal core.

682
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: I think like, in a way, it's even more impressive

683
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,559
than that, because they're in that echelon of bands now

684
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,920
like Napalm Death and Swan's where they've just been going

685
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240
for decades, and even if you're not o FA with metalcore,

686
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,599
you admire Converge and it's kind of impossible not to.

687
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,799
And again, you know, in a weird way, it's almost

688
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:47,519
more impressive than that because those bands reinvented themselves and

689
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,519
changed and adapted to times, to that sort of thing Converge.

690
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,519
They've they've absolutely experimented and they've they've always pulled it off.

691
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,759
But what's fascinating to me, especially about this record is

692
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,680
just how straightforward and yet still brilliancies for a convergelm.

693
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,039
And it's like talking about bands who are thirty years

694
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:09,480
in at this point you're thinking of, you know, this

695
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,319
is like when Repentless came out that's the threas into

696
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,920
Slayer's career, or like this still by Mega Death.

697
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,359
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

698
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: You think about it in those terms, and when those

699
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,599
records come out, you go good on them for you know,

700
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,240
still sticking to it. There's gonna be a couple of

701
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,160
songs on here that I want to hear in the

702
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,240
live set, a couple that I don't that will be

703
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,559
absolutely fine. Converge is still a bound where like you're saying,

704
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,880
if there's one hour of a year where we will

705
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640
go looking to that to be that's gonna be some

706
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400
of the best music released all year from any genre,

707
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,000
at any scene by anyone. That's kind of unprecedented.

708
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it has of course been a minute since

709
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,680
it actually released anything. Five years since Blood Moon Part one,

710
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,519
the collaborative record with Chelsea Wolf Benchism and Stephen Brodsky,

711
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,559
obviously a very different beast to regular Converge. I will say,

712
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,279
if there's one thing that the newer hardcore crowd controlling

713
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:01,279
the conversation around Converge haven't gotten yet, it's blood Moon.

714
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,640
The amount of like tearless rankings or whatever I've seen

715
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,240
from new Converged fans putting fucking the halo on a

716
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,039
haystack on be tier. But blood Moon DETI because you

717
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,359
can't mosh to it. You guys don't deserve blood Moon.

718
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,920
If you have any sense, you will grow to it.

719
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,799
Trust us and you will grow to it. But prior

720
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,279
to that, the duskiness in twenty seventeen, nine years between

721
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,039
mainland you know, mainline Converge albums, and it has felt that,

722
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,079
you know, we've been waiting. Duskin Us phenomenal album. I

723
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,680
can't put it top three because they have so many

724
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:35,359
legendary releases, but it's possibly top five Converge and you're

725
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,000
never really sure what Converge are gonna do, and you wonder,

726
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,319
you know, if they had done a follow up to

727
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,480
the duskin Us a couple of years after that, if

728
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:44,960
it would be you know, very different to what we

729
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,160
have here, because as much as Blood Moon feels like

730
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,839
a different thing, they have described this album as something

731
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,680
of a push away from that, where they've done something

732
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,920
that was more this, you know, very collaborative, obviously slowly

733
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,200
flowering out, spreading. It's it's it's vines and its tendrils,

734
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,960
and now they have this like pent up urgency, and

735
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,640
you know, when they dropped the first single, they were like,

736
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
this album will be directed, it will be ravenous. This

737
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960
is ten tracks in thirty one minutes, which is like

738
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,599
the most normal hardcore length converge album they've done basically

739
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,880
this century. They obviously there are flashes of you know,

740
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,200
ingenious experimentation and stuff like that, but it's a lot

741
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,880
of the time it's how much can they cram into

742
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,519
this like runaway Locomotive, rather than doing as much as

743
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,599
what they've done on let's say, The Dusk in Us

744
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,200
and All We Love We Behind as well, which is

745
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,759
dedicating quite large stretches to you know, a more patient approach.

746
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,039
I was kind of in a way, I was shocked

747
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,680
when I put this on for the first time and

748
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,599
just how quickly it ripped by yeah.

749
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: This is like, like I say, thirty minutes, ten tracks,

750
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
and it just hummels from stuff. This is this is

751
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,079
the hardest Converge record since like Acts of Fall, I

752
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,400
would say, like at least like And the thing about

753
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
this album is is it is an immediate, thirty minute

754
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,359
hardcore record. But because we are blessed by having four

755
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,160
of the greatest musical genie to ever playing sort of

756
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,720
hardcore together, they managed to fit so much like just

757
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:11,719
like genuine magic into these tightly compressed hardcore hardcore songs

758
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,159
that I still don't feel short change.

759
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: But I feel like nothing about this feels simplified with them.

760
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: I think this is like maybe the album I could

761
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,519
hand to anyone to sort of get them into Converge

762
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,559
if they're already into kind of like heavy music. Because

763
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,159
it is immediate, it is punched. There are chorus hooks

764
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,760
on this album. They're all screamed, but they like there

765
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,800
are hooks on it. There are like so many mosh parts,

766
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,960
but it doesn't feel compromised or like Convers have sacrificed

767
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,079
the genius of their songwriting.

768
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: They just kind of like they are just.

769
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 4: Channeling it through the most hard hitting moss ready like

770
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,800
chaotic violence or outburst they can.

771
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the album in the prior Converge canon that I

772
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,159
think they shares the most kinship with would be No

773
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,960
Heroes and No Heroes Again. What I was getting to

774
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,800
Coverge it was it was always kind of unsung one

775
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,039
in the middle of the classic Naughty's run. But I

776
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,559
think as the cultural pendulum has swung more towards arg

777
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,480
Or Again, that's an example of a record where I

778
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,239
think you see more and more people say No Heroes

779
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,320
is actually their favorite one, and No Heroes is angry Like.

780
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,400
It's probably the most straight up pissed off Converge of

781
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,920
ever sounded, certainly in the twenty first century, particularly when

782
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,519
you read into you know, some of the public statements

783
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,280
and stuff they were making around the time of that record,

784
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,519
down to the title statement of it and Love is

785
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,039
Not Enough. There's more outright social commentary on this record

786
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,679
than you would maybe typically associate with Converge. This is

787
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,519
like a desperate fighting to you know, inspire something in

788
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,960
people record that is quite breathless.

789
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in the run up to this, because I

790
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,800
feel like this record got teased around the time of

791
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Blood Moon, when that was coming out, when they was

792
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,559
saying we're gonna I think they even said they were

793
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,440
gonna lose two records that you five years lace, we

794
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,679
finally get it, and a lot of the stuff that

795
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,400
that's at least I remember Ben Collers saying something to

796
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,639
the effects of like, this is gonna be our best

797
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,039
reference Jane Doe, We've written like seventeen songs and you go, oh,

798
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:03,679
it's gonna be this labyrinth thine, super experimental, wild converge record,

799
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:04,559
and this.

800
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: Being lean and mean and maybe.

801
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 3: Their most metal record today in terms of the riffing

802
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,679
style and the most are almost straight up death metal

803
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,679
at points, like those things have always been flavors in

804
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,360
their sound, but them embracing it so wholeheartedly for such

805
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,480
large sections of the record, and that also being on

806
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:31,079
their shortest, most tightly wound album. You know, like I say,

807
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,400
of the twenty first century, it feels it's amazing how

808
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,719
much conviction there is in this band. Still, not that

809
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,159
you've had reason to doubt them, but listening to this,

810
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,119
you do go, this does not sound like a band,

811
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,559
you know, with the years behind them of Converge.

812
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is both one where yeah, obviously I

813
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,559
don't know yet where I put it in the wider

814
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,119
converged canon. Again, I can't imagine it'll be top half

815
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,559
just because of how toweringly brilliant their catalog is, and

816
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,079
yet it's also unquestionably the best album we've had in

817
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,119
twenty twenty sixth us. But the gap between them and

818
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,599
everyone else is just like so apparent, And what a thrill,

819
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,079
as you're saying, to have that concentration of great ideas,

820
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,000
great parts per song in something that just whips by

821
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,639
so frantically, and you know, you have been able to

822
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,440
just play it again and again, like wind it right

823
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,440
back to the beginning of the moment ends the production

824
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,599
on this record, I think you're right to say maybe

825
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,519
it's more metal leaning. I was struggling find the word

826
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,320
a little bit. There's a fatness to it comparatively that

827
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800
it's almost like they've shaved a little bit of kind

828
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480
of off the top crust in the guitars and they've

829
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,360
girthed up the low end. You know, it's not the

830
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,320
most like cutting abrasive convergive ever sounded, but it's like

831
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,400
state of the art power production. And the title track

832
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,559
is you know, so many firings off of rockets of

833
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,840
parts and tempo shifts inside this like you know, sub

834
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,760
two a half minute interest of the album, that sort

835
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,159
of Roto Tom sounding fill like twenty five seconds of

836
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,679
the record is still just perfect and it's ripping and tearing,

837
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,039
and then punches through with that gang vocal refrain the

838
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,000
love is not enough. It's great, and then you get

839
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,719
Bad Faith and there's not a soul alive who on

840
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,840
their first listen to this album didn't immediately go.

841
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,519
Speaker 2: One are the rifts of the year.

842
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: That riff honestly when like like again the Charge are opening,

843
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,519
this album comes album of the year when that Roto's

844
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,000
on film hits. But like that final just sort of

845
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,320
there's most bit is so fucking hard. There's that that

846
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,239
really is like short solo in the middle of that track,

847
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,519
which is fucking wild as well, and it's like yep,

848
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,440
call the some fucking rules. And then the sickest rift

849
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,599
that kicks off Bad Faith. That's why that is chunky

850
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,719
and mean like comes you have the kind of thing

851
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,360
like quite the wiry kind of mathy riffs that they

852
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
do when you think, yeah, dark Horse and shit like that.

853
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,119
This is just like grooving like in a way that

854
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:38,920
commotions don't always necessarily do.

855
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,599
Speaker 1: It's where the album title becomes. Covering Wolverine Blues already

856
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,400
was not enough, And that's a complimentary thing, that's right.

857
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: They were right to do that absolutely.

858
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,159
Speaker 4: And it's like again just that low end kind of

859
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,880
metallic hardcore, but it still sounds live while and exciting,

860
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,880
even when though you know, doing something that is a

861
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,639
bit more bludgeoning like bad Faith, and I think that

862
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,119
that's just the chords of the work, and I'm just like,

863
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,880
these guys are just absolute masters where they can make

864
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,239
them that is a bit more like not like explosive,

865
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,840
as it's still just sound like it's going like a

866
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,320
grenade going off in your head because it's just played

867
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,679
with such intensity. Even like when they're going slow, it

868
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960
is still just the most like exciting thing you're going

869
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,719
to hear this year.

870
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: Well, it's just that you're so used to the converged song,

871
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840
Like these kind of riffs have been in converged songs

872
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,400
for a long time, but often it's like this, you'll

873
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,719
get it for six seconds right at the very end,

874
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,519
and before you it's got oh no, we missed it,

875
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,840
like this opening with it and laying into it again

876
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,239
and again for the duration of the song.

877
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: It's so confident, has so much swagger.

878
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: To it, which again conversion on my absolute favorite bands,

879
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,960
but swaggering is not normally some of you associate with them.

880
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,119
It's like panic and unease and dread. This is just

881
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,639
like my friend discs. It squeezes the fun parts of

882
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,199
your brain, like it just causes a pressure to build

883
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:54,920
up behind your eyes.

884
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,679
Speaker 2: It's so exciting and.

885
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: Chorus whatever you call it, that sort you can't give up,

886
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,519
like and Jacob Anice is letting his voice fly and

887
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:03,880
then laying back into the riff.

888
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: It's just some bands just get it.

889
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: And as soon as this song comes, as soon as

890
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:10,679
this coming, like you say, just went, this has got

891
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:11,360
to the album of the year.

892
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,039
Speaker 2: This is mental.

893
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake sounds insane on that bit. It's brilliant and

894
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,599
like one of the observations I've seen floating around around this,

895
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,639
you know this week that I really want to kind

896
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:23,000
of you know, compound and you know, Mark, my approval

897
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,400
of is how much better metallic hardcore like this sounds

898
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,639
when there are actual riffs. Because I think part of

899
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:32,840
the reason, like everyone's gone mental for bad faith, and

900
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,280
I think part of the reason, it's almost like the

901
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,800
perfect song at the perfect time, because I think this

902
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,440
is a case where, you know, some of the old

903
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,840
masters are almost reminding us what we've been missing, right

904
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,280
because not just in you know, kind of commercial metalcre

905
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,519
but also in you know the popular trendy beat down

906
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,960
hardcore or whatever as well. You still need actual guitar riffs,

907
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,199
not generic pit parts, but like an actual motherfucker of

908
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,559
a riff. It seems like that that shouldn't be a

909
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,800
secret weapon, but somehow it is. And Converge, I think,

910
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,639
are reminding people that if you have an actually good,

911
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,559
catchy riff, people will respond to it. And the song

912
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,000
that everyone has immediately gone, that's the hardest, you know,

913
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,119
fifth throwing moss song of the year. It's the one

914
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,119
with the biggest riff. You've got to remind the kids

915
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,079
what a riff can do. And I think that's it's

916
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,000
again the perfect song at the perfect time.

917
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

918
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I say, like bands just armine enough rifts

919
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,119
now and Convert just kind of showing how it's done.

920
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,119
And the good thing is again for like the foone

921
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,320
Minute Hardcore Records Compact, it whips around in so many

922
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,320
directions because you get this, and then you're immediately into

923
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,079
Distracting Divide, which is the most kind of like insane

924
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,599
mathcore throwing all over the place with Ben Coller going

925
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,960
absolutely man.

926
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,639
Speaker 1: Ben Coller doing what Ben Coller does, Like there's a reason,

927
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,519
you know, in a pre respecial eye shout at him

928
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,440
as the greatest drummer could have listened to him on

929
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,679
fucking Distracting.

930
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 4: Divide and how he is going like and again like

931
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,960
that's someone that's got like a breakdown sore riff.

932
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 5: But coverly kind of just like makes it more musically engaging.

933
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: Then again just being the generic Moss part that again,

934
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,159
I go mad for those Moss parts all the time.

935
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,360
But when Converge are dropping them and they're just like

936
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,000
playing them with just a bit of extra pizazz and

937
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,079
and again like just making them that much more engaging,

938
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,320
it's so much cooler to listen to.

939
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: When it slams and that song it's it's not just

940
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,000
you know, like I think you're saying, it's just a

941
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,920
beat down where it's just open chords and there's no

942
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,800
flair to Whatso it's like, no, that sounds like I

943
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,960
think I was saying a moment ago but for a

944
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,599
few seconds, it's like, oh, we've got mastered on It's

945
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,679
it sounds like high on fire, and it's just like

946
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,440
it just pounds away and it's like barely a second

947
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,719
of recipite before it kicks off again. And I honestly

948
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,280
I think the song that follows it is somehow even more.

949
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,239
To Feel Something is even more wild and frightening than

950
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,159
distressing stabbing guitars. Yeah, it's like you just think, how

951
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,519
could this get more intense? And then they go, well,

952
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,480
we could do a bit a slayer for you, and

953
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,920
you go, yes, please, like I'm more.

954
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: Than happy to have that. Yeah, that's song.

955
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, those two songs together are collectively about three

956
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,039
and a half minutes long.

957
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,559
Speaker 2: It's brilliant.

958
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: But to Feel Something is one of my favorites in

959
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480
the record because that you say, it's like it's like

960
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,199
proggy sludge but being played at a million miles an hour,

961
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,239
almost like antithetically, but that like nauseating pins being jammed

962
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,880
into your skin, like clinking dissonant kind of effect. Part

963
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,039
in the sort of verses like it's so clever to

964
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,000
kind of offset you at that point, and then when

965
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:19,719
they eventually arrive at the stomping ride symbol breakdown at

966
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,880
the latter end, which they pull straight out of the

967
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,840
Dead Guy Apparatus playbook. It's like nineteen ninety five metallic

968
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,719
hardcore tricks but sounding totally fresh, you know, and it's

969
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,119
fucking blown the house up so much it doesn't even

970
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,199
feel unearned. When you get essentially an interlude track less

971
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,199
than ten minutes into the record, you know, but you

972
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,039
need the breather after to feel something, and so then

973
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,760
you get you know, Beyond Repair, which is Kurt Balou

974
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,960
totally leaning into like his Neurosis side, or even like

975
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,679
the Sugar when they go like really spacey and eerie

976
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,280
and it's just the the bleakest suspended above a suffocating

977
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,639
black void guitar tone. And there's a quote in like

978
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,360
the a sort of track by track run that they

979
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,760
did for this album where apparently, like you know, sort

980
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,360
of laid down this in one take and then after

981
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,440
we finished, just went that riff made me feel terrible

982
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,920
about myself, And yeah, man, that's what it feels like.

983
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: It's so funny that and again your immediate famin At

984
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,880
Harcre record you need in the middle point of the

985
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,960
record and interlude a kind of a post metal interlude

986
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
try and I mean again, this is essentially like the

987
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,239
kind of extended intro to Amona Mok for me.

988
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 5: Really they those kind of like see together so well.

989
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,199
Speaker 4: But this is like the point you've had this chaos

990
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,039
or the first and like ten minutes you go like

991
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,000
you need to slow down and catch a breath, but

992
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,840
it's so menacing, Like there is such an earing menace

993
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,559
that the song slowly creeps along with that guitar tone,

994
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,800
and again we're just kind of feeds into that raw,

995
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,920
earthy and just like shed them heavy again post metal

996
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,039
colt of lun and Euros is that kind of thing

997
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,519
on Mock and that is like it's so good about

998
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,440
and it's just great to have this break the middle

999
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,599
of the record that is like jamming there to kind

1000
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,679
of like give you this moment of like showing the

1001
00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,920
bloodmin the band of Road Bloodmen that they're still operating

1002
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:02,679
in this kind of ruthless efficiency of this album, but

1003
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,199
they're just going to like giving you a taste of

1004
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,760
it now to just sort of show that, like again,

1005
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,320
we can fit so much variety and diversity into thirty minutes.

1006
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,199
Other bands you need to step up and kind of

1007
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,079
show this same kind of fearlessness with your songwriting rather

1008
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,440
than doing a foe minute hardcore record that is the

1009
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,760
same And again I like that same song played like

1010
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,519
like eight times over twenty minutes. I'm down with that

1011
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,400
For some of these bands, more on that to come,

1012
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,119
but Converge have just kind of shown that you can

1013
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,119
do so much more in such a type package if

1014
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:33,039
you just have that fearless approach and also if you

1015
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:34,880
are just happy to be four of the best musicians

1016
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,960
in the genre ever. It's also just it's an amazing

1017
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,199
show and tell for Converged being one of the best

1018
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,719
sounding bands in the world. It's like, you listen to me,

1019
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,760
It's almost like sun or say where people got how

1020
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,960
why would you listen to that? It's just one note

1021
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
for twenty mies that sometimes there's nothing that sounds better

1022
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,679
in the world than a really loud, distorted guitar.

1023
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: That's all you need.

1024
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,639
Speaker 3: And this song compositionly, it's great, but just every time

1025
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,079
another one of the members appear has just got how

1026
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,079
do you make a bass that's sounds like good? How

1027
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,960
do you get drums that sound that explosive and dominating?

1028
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,320
Where is that guitar tone from It's every time this

1029
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960
comes in, it's just like it's a proper for the

1030
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:13,920
first half of this first half, first eight minutes of

1031
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,039
this record every've been up to so far. It's so

1032
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,639
gong ho and wild and fun and exciting, and there's

1033
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,920
just this meditation in the minute where you just hone

1034
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,760
in on how unbelievable it sounds.

1035
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love that.

1036
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: There's almost sort of like a ticking sound effect that

1037
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,199
sounds like sort of like maybe just sort of shaking

1038
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,360
at the bottom of the guitar, you know, like the

1039
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,400
bass guitar or something, and it adds this you know,

1040
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,880
real sort of like nervousness, almost like a paranoia to it,

1041
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:39,719
and you're right. It leads you into them on a Mock,

1042
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239
which is one of the more like sludgy, doomy pay

1043
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,360
songs on the record. Right at the heart of it, again,

1044
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,440
insane guitar sounds on it, though only they are getting

1045
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,679
really I think it, you know, it speaks to the

1046
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,199
kind of record this is really that around this point

1047
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,320
in the Duskiness or on All We Lovely Behind, is

1048
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,840
when you were getting to songs like the title track

1049
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,800
of the dusktin us or coral blue where you know

1050
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,519
those real stretching of kind of textural wings moments. This

1051
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:05,760
doesn't do that so much.

1052
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,119
Speaker 2: You know.

1053
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: The closest kind of points are stuff like this sort

1054
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,079
of harrowing sludge dirge. You know, I think this is

1055
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,840
a even like obviously what is so impressed by it

1056
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,440
is how much they jam into the thirty one minutes.

1057
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,400
It is a less eclectic, you could say record then

1058
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,000
anything they've done in a long long time, honestly, So

1059
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,639
like if you're waiting this against other Converge records, there

1060
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:26,119
is maybe that aspect to it, but the name of

1061
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,440
the game here seems to be, you know, cutting the

1062
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,679
fat and making the sleekest wrecking ball of a record

1063
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,199
that twenty twenty six Converged can can feasibly make. I suppose,

1064
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,239
you know, Gilded Cage later on kind of fits into

1065
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,840
that mold as well. And you know, again like Jake

1066
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,679
like really fucking eerie on that song with has a

1067
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,000
lot of the more kind of unmissible social commentary as

1068
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,320
well with the lyrics about the pharmaceutical industry. It's really

1069
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,719
less skin crawling, and that's a case of you know,

1070
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,679
it's not the moment of like almost post rockish kind

1071
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,039
of beauty that you got on songs on The Duskiness.

1072
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,960
It's each time they deviate into a different mold of song,

1073
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,239
they almost like they fill a different role, not just

1074
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,000
on the record, but in their overall cannon. You know,

1075
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,320
it's like we've got the Duskiness title tractor to sit

1076
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,039
there in this that hears a different thing? Is this

1077
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,840
weird skin crawling feels like you're trapped in something rather

1078
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,880
than somewhere you can really breathe, you know, a song

1079
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,079
like Gilded Cage, which is where you can say, you know,

1080
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,599
there's not a lot of beauty on this record. It

1081
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,559
is a like paranoid sick freak out of a record.

1082
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: More so, Yeah, I think because Guildy Case has just

1083
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,480
kind of like woozy kind of unstable feeling to a ware.

1084
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,159
Speaker 5: Again, it is the slowest song on the album.

1085
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,639
Speaker 4: It's the kind of like one where they see an

1086
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:40,960
one where they do kind of ease off it and

1087
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,679
even when a mock has a kind of enterens it

1088
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,079
to it, Guilder Cage it goes violent and heavy on

1089
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,880
the chorus. It's to really like punctuate it, but Bannon's

1090
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,960
kind of doing that kind of uneasy, unstable shout kind

1091
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,159
of vocal that he sometimes does, and it just it

1092
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,880
adds a panic, it adds a kind of volatile kind

1093
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440
of feeling, and it's just such a dark and moody

1094
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,199
track that you don't get again that those moments of

1095
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,159
beauty that kind of like we're always that where people

1096
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,320
would say, like, oh, compose, they're not just a violent badge,

1097
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,039
you know, we listen to to these songs, and I

1098
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,800
think but like because of the mood of the record,

1099
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:14,960
it works having the kind of like slow songs be

1100
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,719
more like Gilded Cage where it's still again it's still dark,

1101
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,679
it's oppressive, so it doesn't kind of like betray the

1102
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,159
tone of the record.

1103
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: I think a mon A mark and I mean force

1104
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,840
and presence. Just not skip over with that song, maybe

1105
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,480
the most forceful, Like it's one of the most frightening

1106
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,840
things you're gonna hear all year. It's it's just it's

1107
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,119
taking the piss at that point.

1108
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,639
Speaker 1: And I love when they switch into almost like the

1109
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,239
riffic follows that I swear it's like midnight.

1110
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,639
Speaker 2: It's like a black fucking black thrash, black speed.

1111
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,599
Speaker 5: Leave guitar lick. That's rollicking in good time.

1112
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: OK. Yeah, and you know we're in that run.

1113
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: And then I look at the track lists and I

1114
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,079
see that the next few songs are you know, the

1115
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,360
longer a bit of a sendjutsu move, you might say,

1116
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,920
but you look and the Gilded Cage coming in and

1117
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,639
that being like you guys described it perfectly, like nauseating,

1118
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,840
uneasy stress, kind of not ballad but like kind of

1119
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,719
post punk nightmare. And for me, the moment on the record,

1120
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,639
which does have some of that beauty that you're talking about,

1121
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,320
where not to an extent that you've had on previous records,

1122
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,440
but make me forget you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, when they

1123
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,440
like Becau those do melancholy better than probably any band

1124
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,159
in the history of hardcore, and that there's loads of

1125
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:31,199
that on the Dusk in Us, and there was a

1126
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,559
bunch of that blood Moon and we Lovely Behind like

1127
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,760
it was major flavors across their later records and that

1128
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,199
coming back but being maybe more like I say, metallic

1129
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,559
and groovy that you typically expect from that sort of thing.

1130
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,679
It's just it's an it's an amazing combination. It's one

1131
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,280
of my favorite songs. In the record, it's it's spellbinding. Yeah,

1132
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,280
maybe Forget You is.

1133
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: It's possibly my favorite on this like after Bad Faith

1134
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,760
obviously at the start of the record. This was like

1135
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,199
the song that at most immediately just wowed me once

1136
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
I reached it, because it's it's kind of in the

1137
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,159
mold of those like epic emotional crust songs, which I

1138
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:07,760
think Converge are, you know, among the progenitors of. In

1139
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,960
the first couple of minutes of that song, they almost

1140
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,440
feel like like Eeros and Tero's era oath Breaker in

1141
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,239
the way the oath Breaker at that time really felt

1142
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,320
like Converge, you know, where Ben absolutely just like pinning

1143
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,480
that lively cross beat down on the toms, but Kurt

1144
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:24,519
is like pulling these like spiraling, escalating gatar leads out

1145
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,639
as it progresses, and the way that eventually unfels its wings,

1146
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,920
and the second half is in the way that songs

1147
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,000
like a Single Tear and Last Light, like those kind

1148
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,519
of converge songs are just like fucking break your heart,

1149
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,480
you know, like those wrecking alls, the emotions that I

1150
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:42,760
never said what I meant to part. As the band

1151
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,239
move from that like rigid, crusty attack to then just

1152
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,000
like coming in waves at you is sublime, you know,

1153
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,199
and then the way that almost functions as like the

1154
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,679
first part of a two part closer with we Were

1155
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,800
Never the Same, and how that swims out of it,

1156
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,639
and then it just it takes those like emotions and

1157
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:01,360
then just like I don't know, it'd be more expected

1158
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,599
maybe to have the more you know, breath taking part,

1159
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,239
shall we say come second, but instead it like it

1160
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,480
takes those and then fucking wrangles them into new shapes

1161
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,280
like balloon animals. You know, it's fucking brilliant.

1162
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: Like that closes, it's like one of the weirder tracks

1163
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,079
on the record and is kind of how it strucks

1164
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,440
and weaves and these like unconventional parts into the songs

1165
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,679
because you get you're coming up. It's like amazing good

1166
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480
that nothing could make me forget you, kind of like

1167
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:24,440
emotional outpoint.

1168
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 5: And then it kind of just like snakes back in

1169
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,440
in this way and it's like.

1170
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 1: You can really hear on that song how ben Kla

1171
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,360
got the gig filling of a high on fire as well,

1172
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,320
like those incredibly involved tom parts. It's pure that playbook

1173
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:36,440
like but.

1174
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,119
Speaker 4: That's when you have that like bass and drum intro,

1175
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,360
but then when the guitars come in, it's kind of

1176
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,280
like it's like, oh that, that's not what I expected

1177
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,639
the song to go. I thought it was gonna be

1178
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:47,239
a bit more again like hard rocking. But again I said,

1179
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,280
this is the most accessible convention. But they do still

1180
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,880
like say, throw throw so many like curve balls in there.

1181
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,400
They don't make it like super easy for you. I

1182
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,280
just didn't compared to where they have been. It's just

1183
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,199
because it's so much more media But again it's it's

1184
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,159
doing that without sacrificing the complexity of the music. And

1185
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,280
again that I think these closing two songs just showcase

1186
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,960
that best of like kind of being this like one

1187
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:12,280
too suitet of If you like converge, you're gonna fucking

1188
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,119
love the way this Autumn's because it is just everything

1189
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,719
converged kind of do across two songs like kind of

1190
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,639
exploding out at you.

1191
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the song where when I first heard

1192
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:24,039
the record, every other song I immediately could pull things

1193
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,440
from it that stuck in the memory really strong, like

1194
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,360
it I could sing the riffs back to you. This

1195
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
was the one which didn't do that, and so on.

1196
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,360
First I thought, oh, maybe that's they've closed on the

1197
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,880
weaker song there, that's there's no such thing as a

1198
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,960
week song on this record. But I certainly I've warned

1199
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,599
this so much recently, and I think it's such a

1200
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,000
I think, like you're saying, you'd think make Me Forget

1201
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,159
You is the more natural closer.

1202
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: But I love that on their mean lean metal.

1203
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: Record at the very end, they just go like, we're

1204
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,760
just gonna throw as many nasty riffs at you as

1205
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,320
you possibly can, try and keep up it. Kind of

1206
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,960
in a way, it feels like the much more finale.

1207
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, if this is Converge, going back to

1208
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,000
basics in a way, I mean, we've spoken about this

1209
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:11,559
for I don't know, twenty thirty minutes whatever, this thing

1210
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:13,760
of me. I feel like this is a shorter than

1211
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,159
average Converged review, maybe because the record is short, you know,

1212
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,920
and it's more densely packed with ideas maybe than it

1213
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,119
is you know, really spreading them out. But if this

1214
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,519
is them, you know, deliberately cutting it back to just

1215
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,000
like this is the four member of the band, no collaborations,

1216
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:29,559
almost as off the cuff as you can imagine Converge being.

1217
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,519
It's just another way in which they're absolutely brilliant.

1218
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,079
Speaker 4: It's just a masterclass showcase for the band of kind

1219
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,880
of going like, yeah, we can do this in half

1220
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,280
an hour.

1221
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: Keep up.

1222
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: It's maybe it's early to say it, because they are

1223
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:44,320
one of the greatest bands of all time and I've

1224
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,920
loved their records for so long, but I really do

1225
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,920
think this is the best album since Axtra Fall. I

1226
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,400
know that a lot of people were saying that when

1227
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,239
it came out, and partly just went like, well, you know,

1228
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,400
let's not Before i'd heard it, I thought, let's be

1229
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,119
careful now, because we do this a lot.

1230
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: We always Yeah, I think The Dusk in Us is exceptional,

1231
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,199
and I've really love Blood Moo as well, if we're

1232
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,239
counting that. But yeah, see, this is what I don't

1233
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,800
even know. It's it's not an unfair show. Well, it's

1234
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,400
a slightly.

1235
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: Confusing thing to say, because I do prefer it. I

1236
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,079
agree with what you said that The Dusk and Us

1237
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,079
is top five. I think I prefer this to The

1238
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:16,960
Dusk in Us and I'm not sure this is top five,

1239
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,079
so I don't know how that works. But such as

1240
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,079
the complexity of you know, trying to wrangle these records

1241
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,639
like it's it's just harder than they've been in some time.

1242
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,000
It's more direct than there'd been years, and it bocks

1243
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,400
that trend of softening and maturing with age with such

1244
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,400
explosive pattern just it almost makes me laugh. It's it's

1245
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,119
one of the best bands ever, continuing to be one

1246
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,920
of the best bands ever, and it's just something that

1247
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,960
other people can't compete with.

1248
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1249
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: So there there's our take on Lovers Enough from Converge

1250
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,599
and if you are wanting more meaty riffs, then we

1251
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,960
move on to Silosis and the New Flesh. This is

1252
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,079
the like seventh album from Silosis, but it's kind of

1253
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,280
not straightforward to that in this story because it feels

1254
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,199
like Silosis were reborn in a way not too long ago,

1255
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:05,039
four albums throughout the late naughties and twenty tens where

1256
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,559
they were a core part if a parenially underrated one

1257
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,440
of the new generation of British metal bands in that time,

1258
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:12,800
and then they went on a bit of a break,

1259
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,679
came back in twenty twenty with Cycle of Suffering and

1260
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,480
I love that album, but in hindsight, it feels more

1261
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,400
like that album was almost polishing off the run that

1262
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,559
they had started before that and then starting their new one.

1263
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,039
You know that album has more in common with twenty

1264
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,920
ten Silosis than later twenty twenty Silosis A Sign of

1265
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,239
things to come in twenty twenty three is the album

1266
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,960
where things change for Solosis a little bit, and the

1267
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,440
fundamental seemed pretty similar comparatively.

1268
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:38,639
Speaker 2: Right.

1269
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: Of all the cases of modern metal bands tweaking their

1270
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,280
sound to essentially appeal to a wider audience, it's one

1271
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,960
of the more minor ones, I think where I think

1272
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,119
pretty much everybody who liked Silosis went with them on it.

1273
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:52,159
This isn't a parkway driver and architects what have you

1274
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,239
where the fan base has been majorly split by some

1275
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,840
kind of change. But the shift in approach from hypertechnical

1276
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,559
melodic death influence thrash to kind of still that but

1277
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:07,280
just grooviier and more straightforward and more washy was detectable,

1278
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,320
and it feels like with it, the conversation around Silosis

1279
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,079
has changed it in the last three years, where they've

1280
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,559
gone from you know, an underrated cult band of the

1281
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:17,239
UK scene as they were throughout the twenty tens, to

1282
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,360
a band kind of renewed in what people's actual estimations

1283
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,360
of them Are and Silosis are against the odds of

1284
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,199
how it felt to be a fan of them, particularly

1285
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:28,800
during those years where they're hiatus. They're bigger than ever

1286
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,800
now and it's not as large or drastic trajectory as

1287
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,360
you know, someone like Malevolence, for example, who are basically

1288
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,760
like a potential Bloodstort headliner now, but they've just headlined

1289
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,559
the Forum right on top of that huge bill of

1290
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,360
like combined tour packages even just off their own back.

1291
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,320
They've just played the Rits in Manchester. They're playing like

1292
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,280
few thousand cap venues now rather than just a few

1293
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,000
hundred as you might have seen them ten years before.

1294
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:51,559
It's kind of working what they're doing it.

1295
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, like again, they they've kind of gone the same

1296
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,639
trajectory as I believe then when are like the most

1297
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,239
closely comparable band of again they were part of that

1298
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,000
same kind of like late Noughti's early twenty tens UK

1299
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:03,800
metal scene.

1300
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 5: They had a break and then they came back.

1301
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,159
Speaker 4: And suddenly got Their break was shorter than the silosises was,

1302
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:12,119
but they've come back and now they're again, they're you know,

1303
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,320
playing the fum They're playing these couple of thousand classy venues,

1304
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,079
just playing kind of a big, meaty, kind of like

1305
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,599
populist metal metal that you would have on a festival

1306
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,400
main stage. And that's that was kind of, like said,

1307
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,440
the pivot Silosis made on the last album again was that,

1308
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,679
you know, due to Josh's time playing an Architects, like

1309
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,760
that was always the discussion, has he kind of playing

1310
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,159
a big band and kind of gone, is gonna take

1311
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,559
that into Silosis? Some people discussed I've never kind of

1312
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,679
read too much into that, but it did just feel

1313
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,039
like Silos just took what they did and just kind

1314
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,760
of like, what's gonna make this more main stage ready?

1315
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,000
And and I think they did it like DC on

1316
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,079
the last album. I think that's maybe like one of

1317
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,639
my two bottom sides of records. I still think it's

1318
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:55,039
mostly very good, but it wasn't as like I think

1319
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,039
Solos have been like a great BAM so long. That

1320
00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:59,440
was their first go at the kind of like accessible

1321
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,800
take on solo, and this is where they've kind of gone,

1322
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,960
We're going like all in on it now and making

1323
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,840
our kind of like this is our festival main stage

1324
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,119
like Mosha album, And I think like for the most part,

1325
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:13,719
they've done a really good job again like refine that

1326
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,119
and making it bigger than ever.

1327
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously it's called the New Flesh. I'm not really

1328
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,039
into the cover art, but it's diverging from Soilosis, you know,

1329
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:22,000
typical asthetic.

1330
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:23,039
Speaker 2: Ye's the thing.

1331
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: Silosis were a really important band to me when I

1332
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,639
was a teenager, and that like twenty ten's run up

1333
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:29,719
to and including when they came back with Cycle of Suffering,

1334
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,360
it is a subtly different beast to what they are now,

1335
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:36,199
and like the most love and attachment I have in

1336
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,320
me for Solosis is for that era. I wasn't necessarily

1337
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,960
like really like heavily anticipating this record the way I

1338
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,920
once might have from Silosis, But in the wider landscape

1339
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,119
of twenty twenty six, what they are and what it

1340
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:49,719
was when I put this record on is a blistering

1341
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,360
reminder of what you're supposed to be getting one of

1342
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,039
these modern metal albums with a shiny, futuristic cover art

1343
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,400
following up a you know, as you say, a successful

1344
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,559
slight pivot for the mainstream and all that, and it

1345
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,239
just straight up rocking shit. Was such a breath of

1346
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,400
fresh air because we've got so many cases now where

1347
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,320
one of these metal bands, you know, making their music

1348
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,000
play for big venues basically just means they're shit now.

1349
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,840
And I look at this and I go, god, Silosis,

1350
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,199
not only are you like pretty good at writing these big,

1351
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,639
main stage type groove, you know, bangers, but you're also

1352
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,400
in it, not ashamed to be a fucking heavy metal band.

1353
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: Fucking thank you. Someone had to do it.

1354
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: And I know there's a couple other bands you could

1355
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,719
throw up malevolences out there as well. Who are you know,

1356
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,119
similarly minded, spirited bands, but getting this and you know,

1357
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:41,639
not feeling that the tide of dissatisfaction so often it's

1358
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:43,760
come my way recently and instead of just being like,

1359
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,440
oh yeah, I'm enjoying this.

1360
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,519
Speaker 2: This is metal. I like it was so nice riffs

1361
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:50,360
is what we mentioned.

1362
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,639
Speaker 4: Just the way this appum begins on like like the belief,

1363
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:01,159
the service with that thrashing, wild like untaking, and then

1364
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,719
it goes into the sick is like, oh my god,

1365
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,039
you had in like the first thirty seconds more rifts

1366
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,079
that were on the entire Last Bury Tomorrow album.

1367
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:10,679
Speaker 5: Like, good job, Silosis, you get it.

1368
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: Because here's the thing, Like, I think this album it

1369
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,599
is quite modern metalcore at points in a way that

1370
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:19,119
Silos haven't necessarily before. Even again the last album kind

1371
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,719
of it. There are you know, synth touches and choruses

1372
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,039
and loads of breakdowns and that sort of stuff that

1373
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,639
is all over modern metal core, but it's just packaged

1374
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:33,400
in with fucking rifts and big, just meaty metal grooves

1375
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,280
that kind of go like, yeah, I will take these

1376
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,119
kind of modern metal compromises off the synth touches and

1377
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,519
the chorus of that, because you are serving me up

1378
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,239
a nice like gourmet of like excellent rifts and like

1379
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,639
fresh parts, solos and all of that to just sort

1380
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:50,840
of counterbalancey. So it's like you are unashamed to be

1381
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,280
a metal band. You're not just trying to be like

1382
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,880
a rock band that plays breakdowns with a pop chorus

1383
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,719
and trying to sound deep and emotional. You are a

1384
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,360
metal band who are just kind of making stuff that

1385
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,559
that sounds big, that sounds like it can be popular,

1386
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,679
that's gonna sound good on a festival main stage.

1387
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 5: Thank you, Silosis.

1388
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're a band which I've always admired more

1389
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:15,239
than I like, and I've that ever present role they've

1390
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,159
played where when I was getting into metal, especially the

1391
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:20,159
British scene. They were just one of those ever present things.

1392
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,159
And I kind of because I don't really listen to them,

1393
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:23,639
I didn't really think about them all that much until

1394
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:25,719
we review the record a couple of years ago, and

1395
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:27,159
I hadn't really gone.

1396
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,679
Speaker 2: Back to that one either.

1397
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 3: But listening to this, like back when when Soilosis came along,

1398
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,719
initially they were a band would play with Lost Society,

1399
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:36,599
you know what I mean. Now, well, now they definitely

1400
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:38,639
couldn't play well Lost Society. That would be a very

1401
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,639
in twenty twenty six. That would be a terrible matchup.

1402
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,360
But listening to this, even though you're right, it does

1403
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,880
sound kind of it's modern metalcore things in there where

1404
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,840
you go someone who does like Architects and Parkway Drive

1405
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,960
or whatever could listen to this and there'd be enough

1406
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,559
for them to go on. You You listen to this

1407
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:57,719
band and you go, this is a band still in

1408
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,559
the lineage of Lamb of God, Machine Heead and Megadeath

1409
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:06,519
and Pantera and in Flames and Sepultur like just popular, aggressive,

1410
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:13,039
main stage ready but not pop oriented metal, which there

1411
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,400
is an appetite. And again for me, it's like I

1412
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,880
it's not my sort of thing so much these days,

1413
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,239
But this record got by so much for me on

1414
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760
just being so pleased to be a metal record and

1415
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,320
kind of that thing you were saying before, like that

1416
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,000
shouldn't need be a secret weapon, but when you've got

1417
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,679
enough denimon leather in the record, you're going to go

1418
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,400
so much further.

1419
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's exactly the same thing of what we

1420
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,599
were saying there of a revelation when a band used

1421
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:48,239
real guitar riffs instead of just distorted pedal sounds meant

1422
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,360
to resemble riffs, right, actual riffs, not indistinct down tuned,

1423
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,599
you know, seven string faux gent bounce up and down

1424
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,119
to the same old shit. Everybody that's lost all tradition,

1425
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,079
you know, contact with with where they can from genuine

1426
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,440
metal riffs like I say them in Malevolence are the

1427
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,159
bastions for it right now in the popular metal scene.

1428
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,039
And when Silosis get the stomp going, it's a proper

1429
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:12,920
as you say, Pantera stomp. Mirror Mirror is obnoxious as

1430
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,880
fuck in a great way with the back and forth

1431
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,559
vocal part that sounds like hate breed. You know, like

1432
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,800
even the most parts in this are more hardcore than

1433
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,440
most metal core is right, like Hate Breed and mad

1434
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,880
Ball exist in the framework of the record. Here there

1435
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,760
are parts, as you say, that are more noticeably, you know,

1436
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,840
kind of in conversation with what the modern metal course

1437
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,480
scene is, which maybe a little bit you know, something

1438
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:35,719
that's going to get your head around if you're a

1439
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,840
long time Silosis fan. Erased is obviously that's like an

1440
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,360
almost new metalish kind of bounce song with you know,

1441
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,079
a clean chorus, a decent chorus, more than a.

1442
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: Knock out one.

1443
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,199
Speaker 1: I would say it's maybe a weaker passes of the record,

1444
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,559
but that track has still got a hilarious symphony of

1445
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,440
pickscrapes essentially in the middle of it, which is great.

1446
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:58,519
And my favorite songs on them are the thrash songs,

1447
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,920
which are quite starting the vital on this album. Still

1448
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,840
like I was enjoying the album quite a bit to

1449
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,880
begin with, and then all Glory No Valor came in

1450
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,639
and that fucking like fast furious not in the while

1451
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:15,119
she sleeps away just wind up of that growling monster

1452
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:18,280
guitar too, and they then let fly that is excited

1453
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,119
to be a metal band. You know, the intent in

1454
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:22,440
a riff like that, even just the subtle trick that

1455
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,599
bounding to have forgotten of. They have the one guitar

1456
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,360
track come in one ear before the second guitarist, you know,

1457
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:29,800
not the same, not the same fucking thing, the same,

1458
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,960
you know, like Quanti or whatever, but actually two different

1459
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,480
guitar tracks coming in.

1460
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: It's pure juice. You know.

1461
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,239
Speaker 1: There's an amazing bit where it does like a slam

1462
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,519
beat down all good.

1463
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 4: That Moss part on this song is so hard and

1464
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,000
that that whole like the bridge where you've got there

1465
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,559
all growing, no fucking valor.

1466
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 5: They just pietrate that.

1467
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 4: And again it is maybe kind of like quite dumb

1468
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,199
down silos just compared to some of like the more

1469
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:56,039
it flashes. But you know when they were fresh in

1470
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:57,840
part they kind of bans it with like the progy stuff.

1471
01:05:58,119 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 5: Here's gonna frash dumb down.

1472
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 4: With like just me and as Moss parts. But they

1473
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,679
sound so mighty doing it that it I kind of

1474
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,760
like domin it. And again that's where like the next

1475
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,480
song is where they really go into the modern metal

1476
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:14,840
or sound on Lacerations and again like its countered like

1477
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,639
by having like big kind of powerful riffs that versus

1478
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:20,599
like really hard and then the chorus it is the

1479
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,719
kind of the most like like it. It's like anthemic,

1480
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,679
kind of like melk or chorus with these simps playing,

1481
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,320
but it actually sounds big in the way that a

1482
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,960
lot of these bands who are doing the exact same thing,

1483
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,000
they sound so meek and timid, and with the productions

1484
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,480
for that and Solosis, they.

1485
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 5: Let it sound big and grand and imposing.

1486
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,079
Speaker 4: I think, like again, Josh, all over this record, he's

1487
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,599
so confident, whether he's singing or screaming, there is a

1488
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,440
real kind of like confidence and character. And again, like

1489
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,400
his screams, there's a real clarity to them.

1490
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 5: To me, it is catchy. So it never feels again,

1491
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,840
it never has that sort of timid thing that puts

1492
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,119
me off.

1493
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:54,679
Speaker 4: So much of the kind of like milk or stuff

1494
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,960
that this does in a way sound like, but it's

1495
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,760
just the execution is so much better.

1496
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think on the chorus front Lacerations, I think

1497
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,079
it's actually pretty good. I think it hits a little

1498
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:04,599
bit better for me than a raise does. And I've

1499
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,440
always thought Josh when he, you know, when he lightly

1500
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:10,119
sung on Silosis records, I've always thought they had a

1501
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:11,519
pretty good voice, you know, And I think on that

1502
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:13,320
one he sounds. I don't know, he sounds a little

1503
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,719
bit more confident, more like he can just like really

1504
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,639
get out there and sell it. He's not processed to shit.

1505
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,079
There's a Door my Throne as well, has this almost

1506
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:24,239
like a more contemporary epic synth led kind of blasting

1507
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,119
almost like Lorna Shori or something, but a little more

1508
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:29,480
like cyberpunk. But again they don't throw the baby out

1509
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,159
with the bath water. I would say that that experiment

1510
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,519
mostly works, you know, And there always used to be,

1511
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,840
you know, the headline that would follow Silosis around when

1512
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,639
people like when more popular auders didn't really like their

1513
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:41,599
song so much, but they would always go, Josh Middleton,

1514
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:44,000
what an insane guitarist? You know, not quite as like

1515
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:47,000
central to their identity. These stays like the guitar flash,

1516
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:49,920
you know, those like electric tapping riffs that you get

1517
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,199
on something like Imperial, which for me is still like

1518
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:54,639
the Silos's moment of magic in their Hell catalog. Really

1519
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,039
it's more confined to the pocket, but you still get

1520
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,679
the little moments on a Door my Throne or like

1521
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:00,559
but the first trap beneath the surface as well, where

1522
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,760
you have like a really sweet solo come in there

1523
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,440
is a power ballad on this essentially ever at Once,

1524
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:10,239
which is again not like strictly new out of nowhere

1525
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,440
for Solosis. I think it almost like spoken about as

1526
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,159
if this is like a totally new development. I think

1527
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,079
it's more it's something they used to kind of hide

1528
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,720
as not like a primary part of their albums, that

1529
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,920
they've gradually gotten more comfortable weaving into the albums. Because

1530
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,800
there's a hidden track on the Monolith album I absolutely

1531
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,079
love and I think that's a better song honestly than

1532
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,159
all the ballad type songs they've done since.

1533
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: If you've never heard it, it's really beautiful.

1534
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: But it's hilarious that this band's best acoustic song is

1535
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:37,479
hidden away, not on the main track list, because I

1536
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,640
guess at the time they weren't ready, you know, they

1537
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,439
weren't comfortable being like, here's an acoustic song in the

1538
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,760
middle of our thrash metal record and in that traditional

1539
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,520
song for them, I'm happy for them to keep doing

1540
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,119
them and keep you know, developing them and you know,

1541
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:52,359
moving them as a more, you know, again an integral

1542
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,319
part of the albums, because I do think they are,

1543
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,039
you know, better than most, shall we say, I mean,

1544
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,920
I dread to think what fucking metalcore ballads have been

1545
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:03,760
out in the last couple of years. You know, this

1546
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,880
is like, you know, it's good, you don't know what

1547
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,359
your wins.

1548
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's shaming bands who's like the whole deal

1549
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,199
is like big emotive medical or ballad because again, it's

1550
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:14,960
just it's still got a bit of power to it's

1551
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,199
still got conviction and like because it's almost kind of

1552
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,960
like slightly grungy, sort of like time going, I guess,

1553
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,039
because it's not doing the sort of the pop thing

1554
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,239
that like all that because again, all metical bands are

1555
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,439
only influenced by other medical or pop music right now.

1556
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,760
So that's what they're doing with their ballads silos a

1557
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,479
kind of looking just a bit into it that's a

1558
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,760
bit more raw and just it fits their sound better

1559
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,600
as kind of like putting the acoustic radio ballad into

1560
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,119
the am here about it sounds like again throwing the

1561
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:42,760
baby out with the bath.

1562
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,239
Speaker 3: Well, it's you think about this time last year, we're

1563
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,479
talking about the Architects record and the ballad on that

1564
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,239
and what an unbelievably wet pile of tosh that is

1565
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,880
and this you're up. But it's because of all those

1566
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,159
bands trying to they're either do metical bands or they

1567
01:09:58,239 --> 01:09:59,800
listening to pop music, or it's like they just want

1568
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,800
to Lincoln Park, like they definately want to have their

1569
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,880
Lincoln part cross over here. You listen to this and

1570
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,159
you go, this is more in the tradition of you know,

1571
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,920
when Metallica would do ballads or yeah, you know, not

1572
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:11,560
in quite the same way, but something like Alice in

1573
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:12,600
Chains where it's like there's.

1574
01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: A yeah bit more.

1575
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,319
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the recent Whitechapel albums when they've

1576
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:18,560
included that kind of rootsier sound on those. I think

1577
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,279
that's a clear parallel for what Silos have done.

1578
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly, and those White Chapel albums, you know,

1579
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,720
when they were doing that sort of thing, are among

1580
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,880
their most popular records. And it's like that's a band who,

1581
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,159
in a technical sense, was softening, but we're expanding their

1582
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,479
epertoire and it's so refreshing when bands take that lesson

1583
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,079
from it, like they don't soften and become dull. They

1584
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:41,720
can soften in ways and make their music more interesting.

1585
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously the whole silence is pivot that's going

1586
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,800
on right now. I don't think you can accuse it

1587
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,640
of anything like cynicism because the dude was literally in

1588
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,399
a bigger band that he left to do this, you know.

1589
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,840
And I don't I don't think it's fair really to

1590
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,600
make the headline all about architects. But it is just

1591
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,800
a brilliant quirk of the story. But Josh Middleton is

1592
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,000
ay who in recent years experienced being in like an

1593
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:07,079
arena festival headlining like Metallica supporting band.

1594
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 5: Main support to Metallica.

1595
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:11,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not only did he just stay married to

1596
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:14,079
you know, his baby, so to speak, but also even

1597
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:17,279
when this band starts to pivot being more widely accessible,

1598
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,880
he still can't help putting death metal rifts all over it.

1599
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:24,640
It's like, yeah, I can clearly write very straightforward floor fillers,

1600
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,840
but I just love hate Eternal too much.

1601
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: You know, like Spared from the Guillotine.

1602
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 1: That's not the opening riff on that it starts with

1603
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,720
a Dao side blast, that's like, that's from fucking like Legion.

1604
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,079
That riff it's so sick, And then it's got the

1605
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,000
like Zach Wild pinch bit at the end, which is

1606
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:43,279
just hilariously metal. And I think Silosis there's an interesting

1607
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,439
thought experiment going on right now, almost like how can

1608
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,000
how big can we get? But while still Trojan horsing

1609
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:51,479
death metal and all this violet extreme metal stuff that

1610
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,800
I love into the mix somewhere, you know, and this

1611
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,039
does feel like then, as you say, having made their

1612
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:00,680
first you know, successful experiment, changing ACKed a little bit

1613
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,159
last time, and then going further through the door that

1614
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,680
they've opened, and you know, maybe those are your Silosis albums.

1615
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,399
Maybe they aren't. Statistically in terms of number of people

1616
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:10,880
go into their shows, you're more likely to say that

1617
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,720
they are. And I would say that this is, you know,

1618
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,079
at least as good as the last album, perhaps a

1619
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,760
little bit better, is a more confident advancement from it.

1620
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,039
At the very least, it blows the pants off of

1621
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,840
most bands aiming to play in similar arenas to Silosis.

1622
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,399
So I think on that note we can give it

1623
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,399
the thumbs up to the new flash from Silosis. Let

1624
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,920
us take a leaf out of Josh Middleton's book and

1625
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:36,520
look below into the underworld, because the new Mayhem album

1626
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,079
Liturgy of Death greeted us a couple of weeks ago.

1627
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:44,079
The new album from the most legendary black metal band

1628
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:47,000
of all time, even if not actually the biggest black

1629
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,159
little band of their scene, as you know Emperor and

1630
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:52,279
Demie Borget and you know Immortal when they actually played shows.

1631
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:54,479
They've all gone on to sell more tickets on average

1632
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,800
than Mayhem would. But in terms of recognizability, where your

1633
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,840
your average person at a festival might go oh yeah

1634
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,359
Mayhem with a hint of fascination in their voice. As

1635
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,960
to their history and their infamy, Mayhem are the symbol

1636
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,079
of everything Norwegian black metal and at its past, and

1637
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,039
I think it is fair to say that there is

1638
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:15,960
you know, plenty of the contemporary black metal audience who

1639
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:19,159
aren't that invested in what modern Mayhem are doing. They've

1640
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:22,600
moved on to newer, more underground bands, et cetera. But

1641
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,920
for me, there will always be a pang of excitement

1642
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,319
that comes when something from Mayhem comes along. I just

1643
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,399
can't brush that out with me. And it's also because

1644
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,520
they haven't actually overexposed themselves. This is the seventh full

1645
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,880
length Mayhem album, which, when you consider their longevity, is

1646
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,399
an extremely limited amount. Silosis now have that many, right

1647
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,960
and Mayhem's last one was seven years ago, and when

1648
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,840
the majority of their albums are so different from one

1649
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,560
another as well, I always just find it interesting to

1650
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,960
see what Mayhem are doing or what version of them

1651
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,079
that we get. Elliott's I'm always interested in asking people

1652
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,319
this question because the subject of post church burning years

1653
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:00,279
Mayhem doesn't actually come up that often, and it's one

1654
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,560
of my favorite subjects. What is your relationship with Mayhem, particularly,

1655
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,039
let's say you know all of the post uuronymous output.

1656
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like like you say, for a lot

1657
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,880
of people, Mayhem is just death Crush live in Leipzig

1658
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,119
and they mysterious and maybe even Dawn of the Black

1659
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,960
Hearts or whatever. But for some many people who just

1660
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:18,880
seem to completely miss out on the fact that they

1661
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,079
have one of the most unique and interesting back catalogs

1662
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:25,039
of any black metal band that just seems to get.

1663
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: Completely brushed over. Where up to and including Esototic Warfare.

1664
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,640
I think it's one of the coolest.

1665
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,119
Speaker 3: You won't even call it an arc because it's not

1666
01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:34,760
a straight line or it's not really it's not even

1667
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:35,039
going in.

1668
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: One direction, just like Out Wildly.

1669
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, every record is so different from the other side

1670
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,880
that Grand Declaration of War. We've got to talk about

1671
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,760
that song because that is one of the strangest albums

1672
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,680
I agree, like an acclaimed metal band has ever met.

1673
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,880
I had it on the other day and I thought,

1674
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,720
what the what is this like, especially as the sophomore record,

1675
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,439
like they've come back off Mental and then Chimera, which

1676
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,119
is just one of the most panic and jewe sing

1677
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,520
albums you're likely to find, like an Audo.

1678
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: Ad Ko, like what is that production job? What were

1679
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,239
you thinking?

1680
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:13,079
Speaker 3: Absolute Madness? And then Esoteric Warfare maybe the best one

1681
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:18,159
post Demusterious, just an excellent bent edge take on the

1682
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:21,279
Mayhem sound. For me, I would say that run of

1683
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,279
genuine madness ends there because Demon is much more straightforward

1684
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,840
elder black metal record of and this is more true

1685
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,319
to that. These two records, I say, back to back,

1686
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,520
there's a seven year gap. It feels like Mayhem is

1687
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,880
settling into something a bit more straightforward. But I think

1688
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,039
the catalog is It's an amazing thing.

1689
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big couple of weeks for me

1690
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,199
because like Mayhem and Converge both like some of my

1691
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,920
absolute favorite bands and bands I want to dedicate time to,

1692
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:52,359
and it was a big treat for me getting these

1693
01:15:52,359 --> 01:15:56,199
albums in consecutive weeks. I agree Mayhem, I truly believe

1694
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:57,920
one of the greatest bands to ever do it, and

1695
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,920
twenty first century Mayhem is fucking wild, and by and large,

1696
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,800
I don't think they always get the respect they deserve

1697
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:06,880
for not having just copied their own homework for most

1698
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,720
of that time. Because when you're a band with Mayhem's

1699
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,800
literally having a movie made about the story, and you've

1700
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,279
got an album as timeless as Demisteries don Tatanas, you've

1701
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:17,039
got merch sales for life off the back of those

1702
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:18,720
two things. They could have just milked that, you know,

1703
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,119
and instead you get a grand declaration of war and

1704
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,479
Ordo had ko albums that, in totally different ways to

1705
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,680
one another, I think would both drive Sam to the

1706
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:32,319
brink of madness, like utterly fucked, strange, brilliant albums. And

1707
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,680
you're right, it's only recently really that Mayhem have actually

1708
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,319
spent a lot of time going back to that nineties. Well,

1709
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:39,239
they've done a lot of anniversary stuff and then musically

1710
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:41,560
that's what Demon is, right, Like, the last album, Demon

1711
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,600
is the most classic black metal album they've done in

1712
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960
that time, really the entire century, and I thought it

1713
01:16:47,079 --> 01:16:49,439
was pretty cool to hear them, you know, channeling more

1714
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,439
of that demistery style again having not really done it

1715
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,760
for much of their career. You know, It's like it

1716
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,760
was like hearing a oh my god, an actual follow

1717
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,560
up to Dim Mystery, Tom Satanas. We didn't get that

1718
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,520
for thirty years, you know, because they weren't ment and

1719
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,439
did everything, but doing that thing. Demons a killer album,

1720
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,039
I think, if not my favorite of the preceding fifteen

1721
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:08,960
twenty years. If you're asking, or do I Ko and

1722
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,880
Esoteric Warfare are absolutely my shit. Legity of Death, Sam,

1723
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,359
is this the first New Mayhem album You've ever listened to?

1724
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 5: It's the second Mayhem album I've ever listened to.

1725
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 4: Okay, Like, like I've listened to the debut because obviously

1726
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,479
i have, because you know, when I've been dabbling in

1727
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,680
my sort of exploring that, Yeah, obviously you have to

1728
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,760
go straight to that, and that is obviously a huge,

1729
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,399
important like record to the genre. And then I'm just

1730
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,640
kind of like never felt compelled to kind of like

1731
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,159
deep Exworm because I've heard rumblings that it's a head fark,

1732
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:38,640
and I'm.

1733
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,359
Speaker 5: Just like, I'll sit this one out, Ellie.

1734
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,119
Speaker 2: It was correct. At some point, we will compel you.

1735
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,239
Speaker 5: Again, like do you never know? With a lot of

1736
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:48,840
these more out there records. Now, some of them I'm

1737
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,640
more with some of them, I'm not like.

1738
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 4: But I was like, I had no no expectations going

1739
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,680
into this because I'm like, I just don't see other

1740
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,039
people talk about modern Mayhem records.

1741
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:01,359
Speaker 5: So I was like, are they know, is this kind

1742
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:03,800
of like an exciting thing for black male fans? Like

1743
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,359
are Mayhem? Are they, you know, still putting out workfare

1744
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:07,399
stuff or are they just kind.

1745
01:18:07,319 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 4: Of like a band cashing in on like the current

1746
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,920
wave of like nostalgia for nights Back mal that comes

1747
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:14,800
up every couple of years.

1748
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:17,279
Speaker 5: So I had no expectations going into this.

1749
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of where you say, whether it's a

1750
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,600
really exciting thing about metal fans, I think it's less

1751
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,199
now than it was that' say, even just fifteen years ago,

1752
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:28,800
because they were a more unpredictable beast right in the

1753
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,720
sort of the naughties into the early twenty tens. But

1754
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,199
I found it bound to the demon. I think this

1755
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:36,600
album's been a grower, not a shower for me, because

1756
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,239
it's to only a couple of listeners to really get

1757
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:40,520
into it, which maybe isn't the most encouraging thing for

1758
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,199
someone who isn't a hardcore Mayhem fan, I do concede,

1759
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:45,520
but I am really liking this record.

1760
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: Now.

1761
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,039
Speaker 1: The two guitarists in Mayhem are a guy called Telok

1762
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:51,640
who was in a Norwegian band called Nidinghiar or something

1763
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,560
like that, and a British guy who goes by the

1764
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,760
name Ghoul, who before this was in mid Noughti's Cradle

1765
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,960
of Filth, and they are both really talented writers and players,

1766
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:04,720
if not maybe the absolute freak geniuses that Uronymous and

1767
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,479
then Blasphema both were in Mayhem. One thing that I

1768
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,600
think you really have to say about this album is

1769
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,479
those guys in particular perhaps have done a shockingly adept

1770
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,880
job at keeping Mayhem sounding contemporary. If you just put

1771
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,680
this album on blind, I don't think you would immediately

1772
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,199
saying it sounds like a really old classic black metal band. Instead,

1773
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:27,680
it sounds pretty on pace with a lot of what

1774
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,000
is contemporary today in the black metal underground. And they've

1775
01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:31,920
had those reinvigorments over the years with you know, new

1776
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,319
guitarists and new rating teams. But listen to this, You've

1777
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:36,640
got to remember the vocalist and both of the rhythm

1778
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,359
section are all og black metalers from the late eighties.

1779
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,840
Mayhem as a band formed in nineteen eighty four, they're

1780
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,279
as old as like I don't know Testament or like

1781
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,159
hell Aween, And with the best of will towards that

1782
01:19:49,239 --> 01:19:51,359
generation of bands, Mayhem and one of the only ones

1783
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,479
you could put on and if you didn't know, actually

1784
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,199
mistake for a modern band in their genre.

1785
01:19:57,159 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those characters that like they're red Head, and

1786
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,880
again they are because they're among the most unique players

1787
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,720
at their respective instruments. It'd be impossible to even tell

1788
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,520
if they were aging because there's nothing to compare them. Again,

1789
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,119
it's like who drums like hell Hammer? No one like,

1790
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:15,119
so it just it's always going to sound mad. So

1791
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,520
even though I like say, they haven't got that manic

1792
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,680
genius in the guitar parts these days, the fact that

1793
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,760
those people are still around and Attilla being one of

1794
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,600
the most divisive extreme metal even among extreme metal fans

1795
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,119
a lot of them people don't go with Mayhem because

1796
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:33,119
mainly because of him.

1797
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: I happen to love it.

1798
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,399
Speaker 3: But that sort of inherent wild man personality that this

1799
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,600
band has, even if it's not as radically apparent as

1800
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,880
it has been in the past, it can only be

1801
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,920
suppressed so much.

1802
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who produces their albums now as well

1803
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,560
is the drummer for Funeral Missed. He also does the

1804
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,520
Wattean albums, and he does I think a sensational job

1805
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,239
at making these albums sound mean and terrifying an abyssle

1806
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,720
like real scary black net should be. I think Modern

1807
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,359
Mayhem honestly have some of my favorite sounding black metal records,

1808
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,279
and if you want an imperious sounding black metal record,

1809
01:21:08,359 --> 01:21:09,840
he might be the guy to go to right now,

1810
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,439
because stylistically, as said, it's not as overtly experimental as

1811
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,720
their you know, their most mad albums from the noughties,

1812
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:19,600
nor is it quite as I think traditionally you know,

1813
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,079
old school and therefore catchy and hummable as Demon was.

1814
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,640
This has got longer songs on average than the last one,

1815
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,439
but instead you have these like really dense, tightly wound

1816
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,439
songs that just really whip up and a cult evil atmosphere.

1817
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,960
The first track has an intro featuring Garm, the singer

1818
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,800
from Ulva. I just kind of took the off guard

1819
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,920
because Mayhann albums don't really tend to have what you

1820
01:21:40,039 --> 01:21:42,079
call features, you know, but it's cool to hear him,

1821
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,319
you know, actually singing on a black metal record again,

1822
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:49,720
you know, adding these like spooky, insidious choral type vocals

1823
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,079
to the start of the record on top of this

1824
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:55,680
really you know, scary sinister lea guitar bit and then

1825
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,119
when it hits the blast and you have like again

1826
01:21:58,199 --> 01:22:00,399
like terrifying like brass bits and stuff and just this

1827
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,680
like stampede out of hell. The drums because of what

1828
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,319
you're saying, no one drums like hell hammer and the

1829
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,680
production and it's fucking incredible. The drums sound monumental, Like

1830
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,560
if if you want to know, here's another complaint for

1831
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,800
everything else, right, if you want to know why you

1832
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,239
complain about drums sounds a lot of the time. Fucking

1833
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:20,399
check this out and hear how absolutely crazy powerful a

1834
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,479
proper drum kit recorded properly can sound.

1835
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,239
Speaker 2: It is an avalanche.

1836
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 4: I was surprised at how good this sounded this album,

1837
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,159
Like this opening track, I think so is Yeah, it's fantastic,

1838
01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:35,520
like like is my some backsman, Look I do like

1839
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,039
this record.

1840
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,239
Speaker 5: This opening track kind of gave me everything. I kind

1841
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:39,920
of went from the album.

1842
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,520
Speaker 4: I was like, it's such a good, like great comprehensive

1843
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,399
opener and they're still cool stuff throughout the album, but

1844
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,079
I was gonna like it's got that kind of like

1845
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:53,119
droning goths part. It's really evil, it's really epic, it's fiery.

1846
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:56,279
It's like it's like the sound this album is really

1847
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:58,880
quiet and sounds so firing, intense and still just reek

1848
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,960
of death and decay.

1849
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,239
Speaker 5: Like it it's so like I mean, like.

1850
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,319
Speaker 4: As a vocalist, I think he's like really interesting, like

1851
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:09,800
where he's kind of got this like real decaying vibes.

1852
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,920
His vocals hits all the right spots and the closing

1853
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,680
stretch where it really ups the aggression is like great.

1854
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,199
And again like the drumming, the way that blast sounds

1855
01:23:19,239 --> 01:23:21,520
really good, and I was like, oh, a black moram

1856
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,000
that produced well but still sounds evil and scary and menacing.

1857
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,840
It's it's it's a way to get me again, more

1858
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,119
b than black metal where you can do it about

1859
01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:33,039
it sounding like that that sort of biscuit ting monotony

1860
01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:34,760
that I find sometimes a bit of a problem.

1861
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:36,319
Speaker 5: There is a dynamics to the.

1862
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:39,319
Speaker 4: Sound of this whilst it's still very i guess traditionally

1863
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:41,880
black metal, but also not in some ways, Like again,

1864
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,359
I'm kind of coming at this largely blind, but I

1865
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,319
was just kind of like, oh, this is, yeah, a

1866
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,560
more interesting, engaging sound while still sounding almost like exactly

1867
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,680
what I would expect a traditional black metal record to

1868
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:53,079
sound like.

1869
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is hilarious, like just sonically, even though they're

1870
01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:59,920
compositionally mad at them as well, well, just sonically it's hilarious.

1871
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:02,319
This band have this album and Auto ad Ko both

1872
01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:04,880
in their catalogue, like within the last twenty years, both

1873
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:05,800
Like what the fuck?

1874
01:24:07,039 --> 01:24:09,119
Speaker 3: But maybe that's like that might be the counterintuisive thing

1875
01:24:09,119 --> 01:24:11,119
about this record, because I think you were saying something

1876
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:11,760
about mayhem.

1877
01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:14,199
Speaker 2: I mean that like death and decayed sound.

1878
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:18,079
Speaker 3: That's that is something that's basically been present on every

1879
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:20,319
single record, despite how different they are, Like You're the

1880
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:22,399
Way to Death Crush and you just got like this already,

1881
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:23,960
this sounds like it's been pulled out of a crypt.

1882
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:28,119
It's just it's disgusting and in a sense, you'd think

1883
01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:31,079
that would set them up beautifully to age into that

1884
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:34,039
they could go further down that path. And the fact

1885
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:38,279
that they don't that there's like carnival sounding lead guitars

1886
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,159
and choirs and like you say, a drum kit that

1887
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:45,520
sounds like that. Mayhem in many ways will set themselves

1888
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,159
up to go one way and every single time they

1889
01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:51,479
just go in completely the opposite direction. And this being

1890
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,840
so fast and aggressive and just just at it is,

1891
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,720
it's so like surplus to requirements and it's it's just exciting.

1892
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1893
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,079
Speaker 1: The Week for Nothing riff, like a couple of tracks

1894
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:08,039
in is absolutely insane with there's like frantic, spindly threat

1895
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:11,520
coirn like that's what I want on a Mayhem record.

1896
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,720
Then you get Aon's End like in a few tracks

1897
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,439
into that point, which is like even more blasty and

1898
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,199
direct straight to the point. There's one hilarious bit at

1899
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,399
the start of Realm of Endless Misery where they just

1900
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,399
deploy a straight up fucking explosion, just the bomb goes

1901
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,960
off at the start, which what you do that records

1902
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:29,880
like Tridable for Clips opens like that, and I guess

1903
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,720
maybe this producer just likes inserting grenades into these albums.

1904
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

1905
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: And then there's like amazing like one key guitar shit

1906
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,279
in the middle of that song, like just the freakiest

1907
01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:43,399
chords and Attila Cheeha elevates any record he's on for

1908
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,239
his vocals. To me, he's on the mount Rushmore of

1909
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:50,760
extreme vocalists, maybe number one, and this he's not pushed

1910
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,199
to like his uttermost limits of freakiness. But the way

1911
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:58,439
he just coils and slithers like a venomous snake throughout

1912
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,319
these songs so that you could go around any corner

1913
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:02,960
and he's just they're gurgling, ready to bite, you know,

1914
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:07,279
just the hints of that like fucked sick hungarian opera

1915
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:11,039
voice that he does, with the crazy layering stuff going

1916
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:13,159
on in despair and the bits where you're just sucked

1917
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:17,119
down into like spirals of like evil cacophonous laughter, Like

1918
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:22,520
just his presence entirely surrounding you, along with how spindly

1919
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,239
and weird some of the riffs are as well, is

1920
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,479
just you know, enough to keep me fascinated and gripped

1921
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:28,600
to this record The Spells.

1922
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,399
Speaker 4: When working like vocal, I was like, yeah, he's a

1923
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,279
really just captivating presence that like that was do that,

1924
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:36,399
you know, like that chanting sort of stuff over which

1925
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:38,199
again just it's an easy way to add a bit

1926
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:40,119
of grandeur to these songs, to have some like yeah,

1927
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:43,199
Charles going, but he just he's so unique and again

1928
01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:45,640
like he's got so much presence on these tracks that

1929
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,840
it does keep it engaging, Like there's just this weird

1930
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,960
thing where I was like, I found something so listenable

1931
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,359
while still being kind of like again quite obtuse and

1932
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:55,800
kind of like try and leaving this bit.

1933
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,079
Speaker 5: Way, but it just it sounds like it just did.

1934
01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:00,920
It sounds good and they're doing it. I was kind

1935
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,159
of like I can go with you, like again, maybe.

1936
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,520
Speaker 4: I won't be able to on other Mayhem records where

1937
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,720
they they push some of these like there's sort of

1938
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,960
the glimpses of the weird of elements here. If they

1939
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:11,920
push them further, maybe I'd halpen that bit harder, but

1940
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:14,800
they they fight this really nice balance between you again

1941
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,600
just because of like firing a barrage of riffs was

1942
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,039
having weird kind of like unsettling like coyly guitar parts

1943
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:24,840
and a vocalist again chanting one moment or wretching the next,

1944
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,079
but always kind of feel like a evil like demonic.

1945
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 5: Presence over the whole record where he is conducting the

1946
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:31,039
whole thing.

1947
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:33,199
Speaker 4: It just it keeps it kept me on my toes

1948
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:34,880
as a listener while still not make me feel like

1949
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,720
like either like bord Or kind of like, oh, this

1950
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,520
is going too far from me, I'm switching off. I

1951
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,399
was surprised at how constantly locked in I was, and

1952
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,239
largely down to a Tiler as a vocalist, just captivaking

1953
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,199
me every time he sort of comes in.

1954
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 3: It's amazing that a band with Mayhem's story to the

1955
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,840
point you're right, they make a film and write books

1956
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,159
based on it. One of the most unbelievable things about

1957
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,840
them is that at Tilla is real. He just he's

1958
01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:01,840
so mental. One of my favorite bits in the film

1959
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,640
in Lord's of Chaos is when they're recording, they mister

1960
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,920
just and I kind of he does. He's not appeared

1961
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,560
yet because he's not a major part of the story

1962
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,119
in the in the early years, and then they're just

1963
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,760
they're recording and it cuts to I think he's even

1964
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,079
played by his son, and he just holds the mic

1965
01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:18,000
up and that fucking noise comes out, and you go, no, what,

1966
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,800
Like I had never really paid attention to the eye

1967
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,039
that someone goes into a studio and makes that noise,

1968
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,359
and the fact he still has that and has expanded

1969
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:30,720
his repertoire so much since. Then again, when you're playing

1970
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,880
on a record with hell Hammers. For me, one of

1971
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,560
the best extreme metal drummers of all time, and yet

1972
01:28:37,159 --> 01:28:39,600
he's not man of the match. I think what he

1973
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,560
brings to this Attila brings this record is incredible.

1974
01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:45,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for anyone who like, isn't you know, particularly

1975
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:47,239
familiar with who we're talking about, Attila Chiha. He has

1976
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,279
a solo project called Void of Voices where he just

1977
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:53,800
goes on stage and just makes a million noises, like

1978
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,960
just by himself, just a million voices tumble out of

1979
01:28:57,039 --> 01:29:00,119
him because he's that guy. And I love when when

1980
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:01,680
some of these elements come together right when they do

1981
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,520
like a thunderous sort of tom breakdown with that huge

1982
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,359
sand drum kit, and then he can really go at

1983
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,640
it over the top, the real moment of magic for me,

1984
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,279
where it just really pays it all off. The final track,

1985
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:13,760
the Sentence of Absolution, might actually be one of their

1986
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,239
best album closers overall because it just feels so you know,

1987
01:29:17,359 --> 01:29:19,520
climactic and imperious, and they get the gallop going and

1988
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,039
they've got the classic Mayhem double bass, this looping tremolo

1989
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,239
rift that just screams like classic second wave to me,

1990
01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:28,520
like it's the most I get that nineties black metal

1991
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,239
feeling on this, with that bit of shuddering dissonance sewed

1992
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:33,640
into it as well. It's just like, it's such a

1993
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,439
good black metal rift and at the end suddenly this

1994
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,880
like mad Igor Cavalierra esque tribal drum part swoops in

1995
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,119
to take the record home, and it's so cool and

1996
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:46,159
so imposing. That kind of stuff is just designed to

1997
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,279
tickle my brain. Like again, maybe not the entire black

1998
01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:52,199
metal audiences these days, but I am the audience for this, really,

1999
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,279
and I think this is excellently even if maybe possibly

2000
01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:57,000
right now my least favorite Mayhem album, but I think

2001
01:29:57,039 --> 01:29:59,600
this is excellent. They're just one of the most continually

2002
01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:05,079
relevant bands in this genre's history Liturgy of Death from Mayhem,

2003
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:07,199
of course, and we might not usually have this much

2004
01:30:07,279 --> 01:30:10,640
black metal. Certainly this front loaded in the reviews, but

2005
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,640
along with one of the biggest names in its history,

2006
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,920
we also have one of the buzzier metal records of

2007
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,960
the early part of this year in Worm, who have

2008
01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:21,800
necro Palace and Worm have been an underground favorite for

2009
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,079
a few years. They've got a few records under their belt,

2010
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:25,479
but this is the one where they've started to get

2011
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,359
attention from you know, the big mags coming to talk

2012
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,640
to them, and I get it because you know, Underground,

2013
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,000
as it may be, they're an easier cell in having

2014
01:30:32,199 --> 01:30:35,560
major look at this fucking thing WTF value because there

2015
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,239
is a major element of black metal camp about Worm

2016
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,640
if you look at their merch and their promo images.

2017
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,800
The main one for this album is insane. There's a

2018
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:49,479
definite element of like kitch costplay dress up, going with

2019
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,159
this kind of retro second wave cradle of filth kind

2020
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:54,840
of aesthetic, but it's so ott you have to laugh.

2021
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,119
Like the main guy in this band, Phantom Slaughter, he

2022
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:01,479
dresses like a Victorian gentleman, but with sunglasses and a

2023
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,880
bullet belt. It was like weird and naturalistic mismatch of

2024
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:09,520
just hilarious drip. They've also been joined recently on guitars

2025
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,680
by Phil Tugus, who is one of the recent underground's

2026
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,840
most prodigious men of a thousand bands. Some of his

2027
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,600
projects including Catialist, Zycaradius, Atrementous, and earlier this year already

2028
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,720
he's got an album out with zul, all of which

2029
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,520
are completely stylistically different. Basically, it's just a guitar whiz

2030
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,720
and this album is majorly the most ott thing they've

2031
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:35,479
yet done. This is maximalist, mental, over the top metal,

2032
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,000
which is a bit of a theme this month, as

2033
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,399
we'll get more on too later. But this record is daft,

2034
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,640
and it is a flavor of daft that I would

2035
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,319
think is a bit of us perhaps per chance.

2036
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so in on this, Like you're selling me

2037
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:54,199
like a sixty odd minute black metal album. It's got

2038
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:55,640
to deliver on that fright.

2039
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 4: And again, like I saw the album covered this and

2040
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,840
I was like, I can ballpark the sound of like

2041
01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:02,880
like Worm on that cover. It's Castle Vania's shit. That's

2042
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,199
gonna be like the point of reference. But he's been

2043
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:08,600
Like the commitment to bomb bast and Grande on this

2044
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,840
album is a step above a lot of again like

2045
01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:13,840
the other sort of black even though you know, like

2046
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,640
Lamp of Murmur, like they aren't even they're not on

2047
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:22,640
this level of like ottre tasteful. Yeah, yeah, they have

2048
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,680
a bit more like kind of like tact and taste

2049
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,600
to it. Worm are just like that fetch My Cape,

2050
01:32:28,079 --> 01:32:31,399
like let's rip out every solo possible, like Gates of

2051
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:32,079
the Shadow Zone.

2052
01:32:32,079 --> 01:32:35,159
Speaker 5: There's like an intro, it's just like pure guitar whankory

2053
01:32:35,239 --> 01:32:35,439
for like.

2054
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 4: How many how long it goes on forth, and it's

2055
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,840
so flashy and so daft, but then like when the

2056
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,560
am gets going, it's kind of like, oh, there is

2057
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,439
just like brilliant black metal here, just combined with like

2058
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,119
mental symps and just again cramming every pocket of this

2059
01:32:50,199 --> 01:32:52,439
album with as many guitar solos and just kind of

2060
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,920
like flourishes as possible. What's kind of like just dressing

2061
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,239
up in the most like vampire kitchen manageable and it's

2062
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:00,920
such a blast for the entire time.

2063
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Worm feel like a really twenty twenties band, and

2064
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,800
they do have that kind of, as I say, slightly

2065
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,000
kitch kind of cross pollination of things where even though

2066
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,600
it's very deliberately retro nineties in esthetic, this is not

2067
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,359
a record that will come out in the nineties because

2068
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:19,560
it's too arch in how it's kind of pinching from

2069
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,760
different genres and smooting them together after the fact of

2070
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,239
those genres, you know, already being established traditions. But Worm,

2071
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,520
essentially they were like a death doom band that suddenly

2072
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,880
put like a load of outrageous shred into it and

2073
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,840
then it gets a Necropalace and you look at the

2074
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,720
album R and you're right, you go, if there isn't

2075
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,439
any Castlevania symphonic black metal in this, then I'm going

2076
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,359
to have been short changed by this. Basically, if you've

2077
01:33:41,399 --> 01:33:43,760
ever listened to Demie war Gear and went, this is good,

2078
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,039
but it could do with more ingoy moumsteam, then this

2079
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:48,920
is the record for you, which.

2080
01:33:49,399 --> 01:33:50,239
Speaker 2: Think of that as a pitch.

2081
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 3: And the fact we always, with all our variety of

2082
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,399
tastes on the film, we all go like, yeah, sounds fantastic.

2083
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,039
Like I always think it's super impressive when a band

2084
01:33:58,119 --> 01:33:59,199
like this comes along where.

2085
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 2: The thing that they do is so specific and so niche.

2086
01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:04,560
I just love that they're called Worm.

2087
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,119
Speaker 1: It's just like the least for what they've had like

2088
01:34:07,119 --> 01:34:09,319
a million different logos already, Like how many different ways

2089
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,439
you write worm? Yeah, And it's like, you know, sixty

2090
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,359
five seventy minute black metal record which has castle Vania

2091
01:34:16,399 --> 01:34:20,920
imagery and wild synth choices, and it's pulls as much

2092
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,399
from they say Summoning as it does Wing they mount Steam,

2093
01:34:24,039 --> 01:34:27,359
and yet you put it on and because it just

2094
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:29,479
goes so hard and it's so much fun to listen

2095
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,800
to you just I can't imagine anyone not like in this. Yeah,

2096
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,960
it's epic, is the thing, because the albums over a hour.

2097
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,239
The songs you know, Dungeons Synth intro notwithstanding, they range

2098
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:41,000
from like seven to fourteen minutes, and they have a

2099
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:44,359
million solos person where like on the you know, if

2100
01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:46,359
you're gonna do like for fans of list of bands

2101
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,880
alongside the obvious Emperor and DeBie bor Gear for the

2102
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,319
you know, nineties grand black metal flavor, I genuinely think

2103
01:34:53,319 --> 01:34:55,399
you could put Dragon Force because it's that kind of

2104
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,640
like epic minutes and minutes of solo at a time.

2105
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:01,920
Guitar absurd it. But if it was just the guitar shred,

2106
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,439
I think I would get tired of it more quickly.

2107
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,399
But thankfully it is mixed in with you know, some

2108
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,239
legitimately good taste when it comes to composition and tone

2109
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,880
and these kind of things, and the load. Crucially, it's

2110
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,399
shared across things like the keys and those nineties style,

2111
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:18,479
simplic black metal keys which are a thing that I

2112
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,199
am almost incapable of not liking, and those brilliant nineties

2113
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,119
de mooborgear style keys that are meant to sort of

2114
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:26,159
sound like choirs that that kind of like ha horror hot,

2115
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,720
that whole thing, the intro of Hales of Weeping has

2116
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,560
that majorly. It gives you a good mix of flavors

2117
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,319
to carry an hour long record.

2118
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 5: You know.

2119
01:35:35,239 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: The piano melodies on the title track are awesome and

2120
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,680
just aimed right at my cradle of felf loving ass.

2121
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,159
Song titles like the Night Has Fangs and Which Moon

2122
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,119
Colon that the Infernal Masquerade. It's ticking all the boxes,

2123
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:51,720
you know, but I love the you know, the dual

2124
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,239
guitar and the harpsichord leads in the Night Has Fangs,

2125
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:57,279
that kind of neoclassical edge that that song has. There's

2126
01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:00,159
one bit in Black Heart where it goes so is

2127
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:03,680
the major key almost little mermaid turning up, and then

2128
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,079
later they do that over like a funeral doom rip.

2129
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,159
Speaker 4: I think like that was when I ask you, like, ah,

2130
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,159
this is getting a little bit silly, But I'm like

2131
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:13,960
I'm getting more and more into how major.

2132
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 5: Key and like stirring this gets.

2133
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 4: But the thing is like they balance that with like

2134
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,600
again there's like actual doom parts. There's bits of golf here.

2135
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:24,239
It's not all it's not always maximalism, because that could

2136
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:26,560
I think sixty odd minutes of that could get exhausting.

2137
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,920
And again, like it is mostly maximist this album, but

2138
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:32,520
they they mix up and they again there are moments

2139
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,079
you go like, oh, that's actually quite tasteful to go

2140
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:38,479
along with the daft solo that came thirty seconds before

2141
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:41,800
it's it's it's nice and feel like Dragon Dreams, Like

2142
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,039
that's when you know you've got like really nice, like ambient,

2143
01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:47,439
kind of like clean, chanted vocals in the second part,

2144
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,319
and it builds again to this epic outro or those

2145
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:53,159
soaring leads, like you've got chances everything's going off all

2146
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,680
at once, but they've built it over the song where

2147
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,800
again they've had slower parts and it's a bit dark,

2148
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,439
it's evil, it's got sick rifts, and so none of

2149
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,000
these songs kind of feel like just the same thing

2150
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,279
for nine minutes that they all kind of like move

2151
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:07,199
and weave in and out.

2152
01:37:07,039 --> 01:37:09,199
Speaker 5: Of different bits. So it keeps it, it just keeps

2153
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:09,960
it really engaging.

2154
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Listen.

2155
01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think there are you know, you can

2156
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:17,159
imagine there are so many retro keyboard black metal loving

2157
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,880
style records. I think Worm have gotten some of the

2158
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,039
most attention out of those because at the same time

2159
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:25,920
as that they're weird and amongst everything else, they're from Florida, right,

2160
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,680
They're this, you know, the Sunshine State making this like

2161
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,520
Goofy has frozen black metal, and they started off, like

2162
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,600
I said, doing swampy death doom, like one of their

2163
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,159
albums is called Foreverglade, and it's coming from that background,

2164
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,640
and then gradually, like a few albums in melding in

2165
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,520
the black metal makes it kind of weird and distinct

2166
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,359
because through most of the songs, like the title track,

2167
01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:49,880
for example, which is mostly very you know, cradle or demu,

2168
01:37:50,279 --> 01:37:53,880
you do have mixed in these like churning, low down,

2169
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,600
chewed rifts that are very atypical to that style, and

2170
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,399
particularly it comes out in Halls of Weeping, where you

2171
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,600
have rooting a lot of that song, these sort of

2172
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:05,680
spectral voice or disembowelment style reverberating kind of minimalistic clean

2173
01:38:06,039 --> 01:38:09,039
death doom guitars that just like pile on the funeral vibes.

2174
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:10,640
And there are tons of bounds who do that thing

2175
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,520
as well. But you splice that with the grandiose dimuisms

2176
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,600
and there you go. You've got something new, and it.

2177
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,079
Speaker 3: Seems like such an impossible combination. And then for this

2178
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:19,920
to come out on I think it's on Century Media,

2179
01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:22,079
this record, and it's like the sound of it as

2180
01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:25,000
Arthur Rizzick does it, and you can tell because it's

2181
01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:27,079
someone who's you know, got taste and understands how to

2182
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,800
make a record at this sound good, but it's a

2183
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,880
much more it's much more clarity to this rock than

2184
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,600
there are even some of the albums that it's drawing from,

2185
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,960
you know, like the nineties Doable, where it sounds more

2186
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,680
box office than those records do. And that's something which

2187
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,560
I've come on the show before and kind of complained

2188
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,039
about records doing saying like this band have too much money.

2189
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:48,039
Someone have robbed them before they met their next record,

2190
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:48,720
And like.

2191
01:38:49,239 --> 01:38:50,520
Speaker 2: I was actually worried you were going to say the

2192
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,800
Mayhemon albums sounded too good. Oh no, no, no like that.

2193
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 3: That's what I mean is like when it's done like

2194
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,760
not not just purely for like the clarity sake, but

2195
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,439
it's like it's the absolute rex response to the songs

2196
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,920
they've written. This solum would not be nearly as good

2197
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:05,840
if it had a low five production like that Mayhem

2198
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,000
record is like those things are so much a part

2199
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:10,840
of the appeal, and they just you know, it's something

2200
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,199
of this scope and grandeur in this uh tapestry of sounds.

2201
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,920
It's a really hard balancing act to make where that

2202
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,560
doesn't sound like it would suit that swampy death doom

2203
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:25,359
you're talking about, and yet it works somehow.

2204
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:26,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2205
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,079
Speaker 1: And then to compound the point, the last track, which

2206
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:31,800
Moon colon the Inferno ninth grade, which is the longest

2207
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,279
of the bunch. You've already been like, you know, you've

2208
01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:36,680
been gorged by that point. They just push it that

2209
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,159
bit extra at the finished line. It features a guest

2210
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:43,720
appearance from Marty Friedman of Peak Megadeath. Apparently he messaged

2211
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,119
them saying he'd heard their previous EP, which is awesome.

2212
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,920
And you have a protracted, several minute long guitar dule

2213
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,960
between it again like filter Gas already one of the

2214
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:57,159
best guitarists for like both skill and taste, an invention

2215
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,960
in the current netlsphere. And then the guy who play

2216
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:03,399
the solo on Tornado of Souls, possibly the greatest ever.

2217
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous.

2218
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 5: I was like, is this going a little too long?

2219
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,000
Is this a little too dumb.

2220
01:40:10,039 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, it's the only way

2221
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,840
this ham could end, Like I mean that that's the

2222
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,720
thing is like this it could only end in the

2223
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,960
most bombastic guitars into the point where like the song's

2224
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,720
finishing and the phone like guitar vamping goes on for

2225
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,359
so long at the end after all, because they are

2226
01:40:27,399 --> 01:40:30,920
still just like so just like celebratory in there kind

2227
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:31,119
of like.

2228
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,119
Speaker 5: Appreciation for guitar and wizards. I'm like, you know what,

2229
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,119
I'll let you have this one. Like it is daff

2230
01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:39,960
but it's so showy and so flashy that you kind

2231
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,600
of you do get swept.

2232
01:40:41,359 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 2: Up in it. Martin.

2233
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:46,039
Speaker 3: I'm not telling Marty Friedman to rein it in stop.

2234
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,640
He could play over the birth of my firstborn and

2235
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,039
I would not go near telling him to shut up.

2236
01:40:53,399 --> 01:40:56,119
And when he comes in on your record, you've just

2237
01:40:56,199 --> 01:40:58,600
gonna let him do as much as he likes. And

2238
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,239
he does, you know, fifteen minute song and so much

2239
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:06,079
that is Marty Friedman absolutely shredding. And what I love

2240
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:10,199
is that sometimes we guess features like that they maybe

2241
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:12,600
interrupt the sort of world building of the record you

2242
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,159
suddenly got. Oh and I'm you know, in my room

2243
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,520
listening to an album that was made by human beings,

2244
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,840
some sort of sucked out of it. What's great about

2245
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,880
this is you're I immediately got there's Marty Friedman. But

2246
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:27,760
it does nothing to like interfere with the experience of

2247
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:29,960
the record, which I think sometimes guess spots like this

2248
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:32,720
when you have someone as iconic as him playing it.

2249
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,159
Could it could do that, but I think it shows

2250
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:37,600
real nouse both of him and from the band that

2251
01:41:38,039 --> 01:41:40,840
he's used. Tastefully might not be the word because it

2252
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,520
is outrageous, but expertly.

2253
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it builds to this like wonderful climactic

2254
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:50,720
melody that is like the credits rolling on a Kingdom

2255
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,359
Hearts game, Like it's so good, and you know, I

2256
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,279
could see the argument maybe that it's overstuffed, like is it,

2257
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,039
you know, really going over the brim with diyinging on

2258
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,239
these flavors. Maybe you could cut a twelve minute track

2259
01:42:01,279 --> 01:42:03,079
from somewhere in the middle if you wear a coward.

2260
01:42:03,399 --> 01:42:05,840
For me, this is worm, you know, realizing the most

2261
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,199
of their potential that they have to date. It's really fun.

2262
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,000
It's quite self consciously cheesy, which offsets maybe the more

2263
01:42:12,079 --> 01:42:14,920
gravely serious black metal album that we've spoken about from Mayhem.

2264
01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:16,560
Speaker 2: I like them both. I like both flavors.

2265
01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:20,159
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear someone doing this, you know, retro

2266
01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:22,560
symphonic black metal thing, but in a way that's genuinely

2267
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:26,319
like eccentric and peculiar, you know, and adding flavors to

2268
01:42:26,359 --> 01:42:27,239
the mix in a fun way.

2269
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: I do think.

2270
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, for example, if you enjoyed the Lamper Murmur

2271
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,680
album at the end of last year, for it's grandeur

2272
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,800
and you want to, you know, jump that bit further

2273
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,880
here it is, sink your fangs into it. And you know,

2274
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:39,840
these last two album reviews we've just done and the

2275
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,800
Ruined to Beverst album from last month are collectively a

2276
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,920
very fine start to the year in black metal. So

2277
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,800
we're after the races. Now, there you go, Sam. We

2278
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:54,399
are in between some insane, daunting pillars of over heavy metalism.

2279
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:58,039
So here a quick pitstop, an oasis in the ridiculous

2280
01:42:58,039 --> 01:42:59,800
album desert. We've got a little slice of olt.

2281
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:00,199
Speaker 2: Rock for you.

2282
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: Pony clearly cursed. Pony's last album, velveteen, we reviewed in

2283
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,680
twenty twenty three and it was one of your favorite

2284
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,880
albums of the year, So recap for us introduced for

2285
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,439
anybody knew, who are Pony and why do you love them?

2286
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:13,520
Speaker 5: So?

2287
01:43:14,079 --> 01:43:17,600
Speaker 4: So they're a Toronto based of like rock power pop

2288
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,479
pop rock with you and willing to label them as

2289
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,039
they kind of fit in, you know, the the DIY

2290
01:43:22,119 --> 01:43:25,439
punk or rock scene, but they are so much popular.

2291
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:29,640
They are all about bubblegum melodies, naught ease, sort of

2292
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:33,840
teen movie pop rocks or fair it's that thing.

2293
01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:37,359
Speaker 5: If that sounds good to you, like Pony, I think

2294
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:38,960
are so far away the best act.

2295
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,079
Speaker 4: They are some of the best choruses like that last

2296
01:43:42,079 --> 01:43:45,680
time velveteen was just jampackedful all of my favorite choruses

2297
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:46,560
from twenty twenty three.

2298
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:47,359
Speaker 5: And I've kind of been.

2299
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,119
Speaker 4: Waiting, like quite a long a wait for lot the

2300
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:52,399
first thing. Well, this kind of came help like like

2301
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,399
late twenty twenty four, I think it was. This album's

2302
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:58,119
been a while sort of dating. But like say, if

2303
01:43:58,159 --> 01:43:59,920
you like your kind of all rock, but we're very

2304
01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:03,159
real kind of like pop sheen to it. Pony are

2305
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:05,560
the kind of like the gold stand of that for me,

2306
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,920
kind of the sort of the twenty twenties bands.

2307
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if velveteen was such a such a favorite

2308
01:44:11,359 --> 01:44:13,159
of yours. How do you find that this follow up

2309
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:13,840
is shaping up for you?

2310
01:44:14,079 --> 01:44:17,119
Speaker 4: I'm again just completely from the moment hit play on this.

2311
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,920
I am swept away. I am on a cloud of

2312
01:44:20,079 --> 01:44:23,319
cotton candy and bubble gum and all of like pink

2313
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:24,359
clouds and fluffiness.

2314
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 5: But like I love that, but this is maybe a

2315
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,640
little bit more emo. It's a little bit more like

2316
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,560
it's not as kind of like constantly bright and shiny

2317
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:36,600
as Velveteen was.

2318
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,560
Speaker 2: It's still you know, it's not mineral, is it.

2319
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,159
Speaker 4: It's not just think about the guitar melodies that open

2320
01:44:42,359 --> 01:44:44,520
super Glue. There's like that kind of stuff that there

2321
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,640
is a bit more of that in there, but that

2322
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,239
almost going to get swept away. Any chorus comes in

2323
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,720
and it is just like I'm happy listening to this.

2324
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,520
I am so away with what Pony You're doing. Like

2325
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,359
they are just like as someone who you know, grew

2326
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,640
up watching Disney Channel and all of that shit and

2327
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:06,000
loves like, you know, Freaky Friday and those movies. Having

2328
01:45:06,079 --> 01:45:08,000
Man just kind of doing that but with like just

2329
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:13,000
a great understanding what makes a catchy chorus. Ponion just

2330
01:45:13,039 --> 01:45:14,640
a band who are just sort of tailor made for me,

2331
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,239
and I'm still loving exactly what they're doing.

2332
01:45:18,079 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it's exactly you can see it coming

2333
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,159
out of the world of sort of you know, shimmery

2334
01:45:22,399 --> 01:45:25,520
bedroom alternative rock for sure, but with your saying that

2335
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,319
kind of two thousands pop rock thing on it, Like

2336
01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:31,880
the singer is has one of the most frictionless voices

2337
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:33,560
I think I've ever heard. Like, it's one of the

2338
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:38,079
most just straightforwardly sweet, pretty voices, nothing but butter the

2339
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:39,039
whole way through.

2340
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,399
Speaker 5: If you don't like that, you're a coward, is what

2341
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:41,960
I say.

2342
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,039
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm just commented. That's that's the vibe.

2343
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Right, You'll go in here for just the smoothest, nicest,

2344
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,000
most lovely possible time. And it's funny.

2345
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:51,239
Speaker 2: You know.

2346
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,279
Speaker 1: We just did the latest episode on the nine ninety

2347
01:45:54,279 --> 01:45:56,359
seven special and we had a little section in there

2348
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,760
talking about a group of bands that I like to

2349
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,640
think of as like Dawson's quak rock, like Third Eye

2350
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,119
Blind and those kind of things, And I explain there

2351
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:07,159
that like, whatever that phenomenon is, I have no part

2352
01:46:07,239 --> 01:46:10,760
of my heart attached to whatever that is. And Pony

2353
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,720
are more two thousands than that, but they are more

2354
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:16,279
as you say, like the two thousands teen movie sort

2355
01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:19,600
of follow on from something like that. Again, I I

2356
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:21,279
don't have it. I don't have whatever kind of you know,

2357
01:46:21,359 --> 01:46:23,600
connection soft spot recollection of that that that that you

2358
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,319
do that other people may do. But this album is

2359
01:46:27,159 --> 01:46:30,000
thirty minutes you know, beautiful and absolute breeze, so much

2360
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:31,960
of a breeze that I'm basically not impacted by it.

2361
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,880
It's like a gentle push of an album. But I

2362
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:37,600
also think it's practically impossible to have a bad time

2363
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,520
listening to this, Like imagine getting angry.

2364
01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:44,399
Speaker 5: I can imagine it. I can like and here's being

2365
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:45,319
like I sort of get that.

2366
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 4: But where it's sort of avoids being tubus me is

2367
01:46:48,039 --> 01:46:51,359
that every chorus does hit for me, like we you know,

2368
01:46:51,399 --> 01:46:51,960
super good that.

2369
01:46:52,039 --> 01:46:56,239
Speaker 5: Everyone can see is like there and it's all just

2370
01:46:56,319 --> 01:46:58,239
bright and bubbly, and they are catchy choruses.

2371
01:46:58,279 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 4: I think like the best moments this like middle of

2372
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,680
summer I think is just like power pop perfects, and

2373
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:06,199
that is that song is gonna be This sound's gonna

2374
01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:07,239
be on a peat all summer for me. But that

2375
01:47:07,279 --> 01:47:08,840
song in particularly one I just keep going back to

2376
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,800
as like amazing. The title tracks An a great example

2377
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,720
of it. There were just, you know, like just such

2378
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:18,840
joyous melodies all over this that even if it isn't

2379
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,960
yeah you're it is friction as it is buttery, it

2380
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,399
is just very nice and pleasant at all times.

2381
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:24,359
Speaker 5: There's no edge.

2382
01:47:24,359 --> 01:47:26,279
Speaker 4: There's no edge to this, even if beginning it's got

2383
01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:28,880
a bit more like like lyrically, I think there is

2384
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,159
a bit more like kind of like reckoning with like

2385
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,039
darker feelings and emotions, but it's kind of just like

2386
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,119
doing it in the most like it in the most

2387
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:41,720
like bubbly way possible. But it just I'm just having

2388
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,239
such a good time the entire tlements on that I

2389
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,680
can't like not love every segments. And again it's thirty

2390
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,960
minutes and it's finished, and I'm hitting player again immediately

2391
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,960
because I just I can't get enough of these melodies.

2392
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way that the drums sound on Freezer and

2393
01:47:56,119 --> 01:47:59,920
super Glue, where it's got this almost bedroom style drum

2394
01:48:00,319 --> 01:48:02,359
but softened in the mix to like perfection, you know,

2395
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:06,439
it is millennial pop rock sonics to a t. And

2396
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,359
that's even before you get to a song like Sunny Something,

2397
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,760
which is just like straight nineteen ninety nine pop radio

2398
01:48:12,039 --> 01:48:13,560
I'm trying to think of what the references for what

2399
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,239
these choruses even sound like. And it's not rock music.

2400
01:48:16,359 --> 01:48:20,399
It's straight up like late nineties into naughty'st Disney Channel pops.

2401
01:48:21,239 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 4: It's the two thousands, Josie and the Pussycats movie. It's

2402
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,920
like the exact frame of reference I have for what

2403
01:48:27,039 --> 01:48:29,399
Pony are doing this. And even you know, like every

2404
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:30,960
little chrum which and all that, they want to rock

2405
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:32,600
a little bit more and there's a little bit more

2406
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,319
attitude and like it is, but it's just like it's bratty.

2407
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:38,840
That's the attitude of it. It's not like hard, it's

2408
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,680
going that way with it, and I'm just like the

2409
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,119
guitars are a little bit crunchier, but again there's no

2410
01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:46,960
it's still just like super playful and listenable. So I'm

2411
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,079
just like, I'm so down with that. And again, like

2412
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,720
it's not gonna be for everyone, but as a kind

2413
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,079
of like pushing that kind of like pure power pop

2414
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:57,680
bubblegum side to the extreme, I think Pony just smash it.

2415
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that there are maybe strict ever

2416
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,800
spit more recently, but there were a couple more choruses

2417
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,000
on this that you know, jammed their way into my head.

2418
01:49:06,119 --> 01:49:08,199
Then on the previous album, which I know is well loved,

2419
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:10,479
I just don't recall the thing about it, really, but

2420
01:49:11,039 --> 01:49:15,439
Brilliant Blue is almost like two thousands jpop. It's so sweet.

2421
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:17,560
And then I can't remember what song the ones like

2422
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:22,119
it's clearer choruses there you go, like, you know, just

2423
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,680
there have been I think kind of for me stronger

2424
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,760
earworms on this one. Then on the previous record that

2425
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:28,439
you know, again it's not aimed at me, but I

2426
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:30,800
have been going around just humming, really yeah Blue is that?

2427
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,279
Speaker 2: It's pretty nice. I really like this.

2428
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't that keen on velveteen when it came out.

2429
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,840
I didn't dislike it, but similar, I actually have more

2430
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,439
of a I have more of a place in my

2431
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:42,960
heart for this. But I think you do pair And

2432
01:49:43,039 --> 01:49:46,199
this is the third ie blind contingents y again and

2433
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:46,680
just just.

2434
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 2: Just straight up power pop as well. Yeah yeah, yeah,

2435
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,319
Well when that stuff's good, I absolutely love it.

2436
01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 3: And Velveting when that was getting the buzz and people

2437
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,159
saying it was the best home with our start and

2438
01:49:54,199 --> 01:49:56,039
age or whatever, I didn't feel that way. I felt,

2439
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:59,079
you know, at odds in a sense. But I don't

2440
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:02,279
know if I've changed or this is markedly better, but

2441
01:50:02,359 --> 01:50:04,199
they're just the pack in the tunes this time. Like

2442
01:50:04,279 --> 01:50:08,680
this band fundamentally, they understand pop better than pretty much

2443
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:10,680
anyone else who's doing this at the moment. I think

2444
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,000
a lot of rock bands they think maybe pop music

2445
01:50:14,119 --> 01:50:16,560
is easy or it's just a master of how simple

2446
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,159
and straightforard can you make something? And these songs are

2447
01:50:19,359 --> 01:50:23,039
simple and straightforward, but they're good pop songs by I

2448
01:50:23,079 --> 01:50:25,159
think pretty much any standard it's not put good pop

2449
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:28,279
for a rock band. Like fundamentally, these are I would say,

2450
01:50:28,319 --> 01:50:33,439
super summary, sugary, fluffy, pink cloud pop songs. But because

2451
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:36,039
every single one of them is of really high quality,

2452
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:40,159
you don't really need anything else. And I think ten

2453
01:50:40,199 --> 01:50:42,920
out of the ten songs work excellently.

2454
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would kill for some fucking

2455
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:49,159
variety on this thing sometimes because every song has the

2456
01:50:49,279 --> 01:50:52,439
same like clipped nineties guitar chords. Every song is almost

2457
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,960
exactly three minutes. They're almost all exactly the same pace,

2458
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,800
which is really the biggest problem. Really, they're so straightforward,

2459
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,600
just rinse, repeat pop songs to a tea. Nothing ever

2460
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,560
out of line, no room for any danger or and

2461
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,880
predictability or even that much feeling like a band really

2462
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,800
like it's just really hot off the press is slickly produced,

2463
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:13,199
unadulterated pop rock. I don't think I need a thirty

2464
01:51:13,239 --> 01:51:14,800
minute album of this as much as I didn't need

2465
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:18,399
a fifteen minute EP, you know, because it's so unadventurous

2466
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:19,680
in its one mode of comfort.

2467
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:21,399
Speaker 2: But it is all nice, you know.

2468
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,199
Speaker 1: And the bit where they appeal to me the most

2469
01:51:23,279 --> 01:51:25,119
is there's a couple songs where they introduce more of

2470
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,800
like these eighties new wavy guitars a little bit in

2471
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,680
middle of summer, particularly the title track. They go full

2472
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,680
like Manchester jangle pop yeah on that song, and it's

2473
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,079
like the chameleons have turned up and I'm like, oh yeah, cool,

2474
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:38,520
I needed that. I'll remember that song where they do

2475
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,800
that rather than you know, the tenth chorus like that.

2476
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 5: That's fair.

2477
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 4: I mean I think like that, like there is you know,

2478
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:47,800
there's like the really minimalist lower songs and then the

2479
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,279
slightly more upbeat poppy songs.

2480
01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:53,079
Speaker 5: But it's not you know, it's not a like adventurous

2481
01:51:53,079 --> 01:51:53,560
prog album.

2482
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,079
Speaker 4: But for me, thirty minutes of this is perfect because

2483
01:51:56,079 --> 01:51:59,000
I'm just so yeah, I'm just so willing to get

2484
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,520
swept up in those melody is that I am happy

2485
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,039
to kind of like keep gorging on this and have

2486
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,039
as much again and again. Like if there was you know,

2487
01:52:07,159 --> 01:52:09,840
more tracks and some of them would then maybe become

2488
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,960
a bit forgetable. But I think because it's just ten

2489
01:52:12,039 --> 01:52:14,680
tracks and they all hear, I think this alum does

2490
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:15,720
its job spectacularly.

2491
01:52:16,119 --> 01:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pony clearly curse and I hope that was all

2492
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,239
the choruses that you could want. Because next we go

2493
01:52:22,199 --> 01:52:26,279
to Cryptic Shift, who have released their album this Friday

2494
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,880
called over Space and super Time. Boy did they title

2495
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,640
that appropriately? And tell you what, what was already a

2496
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,079
jam packed month for big reviews, it was a hell

2497
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:38,279
of a task to jamming this monster in as well.

2498
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:40,720
But in terms of you know, big releases for the underround,

2499
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,439
we didn't want to miss this one out because Cryptic

2500
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,520
Shift are I think undoubtedly one of the names that

2501
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,159
you're gonna hear being thrown around a little bit this year.

2502
01:52:47,279 --> 01:52:48,279
Speaker 2: This bound are from Leeds.

2503
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:52,399
Speaker 1: They're already well on their way to being internationally renowned

2504
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:54,279
in the space of you know, if you are a

2505
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:58,039
fan of Two Mold and Blood Incantation and Artificial Brain,

2506
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:00,800
that kind of spacey progressive death metal. The cover art

2507
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,640
is very obviously done by the guy who does the

2508
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,079
Two Mold stuff. Then you are absolutely who this is

2509
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:07,600
aimed at. But also you know, like voive od and

2510
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:09,840
sort of you know, high tech thrash metal. Also, they

2511
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,359
put out their debut album in twenty twenty, and it

2512
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,920
was four songs long, with the first song being over

2513
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,640
twenty five minutes a full side of vinyl filler. So,

2514
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,279
you know, pretty bold for a debut that was six

2515
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,239
years ago. And I have wondered a few times, like

2516
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:25,920
I wonder where Cryptic Shift went, and they were kind

2517
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,279
of like buzzy band, you know, five six years ago.

2518
01:53:29,039 --> 01:53:32,840
I guess now we know where they went what they

2519
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:38,079
had been doing in pure breadth and ambition. This is

2520
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:42,000
possibly the girthiest album we will review this year, which

2521
01:53:42,039 --> 01:53:44,479
is why I really wanted to carve the space for it.

2522
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,479
Time intensive as it is, this is five tracks almost

2523
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:52,680
eighty minutes long. It is absurd. The songs range from

2524
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:57,000
nine minutes at shortest to twenty nine minutes, and besides

2525
01:53:57,079 --> 01:53:59,680
the four members of the band, there's one credited guest

2526
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,319
music on this album, which is Mike Browning from the

2527
01:54:02,399 --> 01:54:05,840
classic space deaf band Nocturnus on theremin And I think

2528
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,920
that should tell you the type of album that you're

2529
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:12,039
dealing with. If you are a space prog death metal head,

2530
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:17,079
this is like quite simply your overwhelming feast this year,

2531
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,800
so much so that you're quite likely to be sick

2532
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,239
at the end of it because it's too much.

2533
01:54:23,359 --> 01:54:28,039
Speaker 2: This is like I was not braced for this stuff.

2534
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:29,000
I was not braced.

2535
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 3: Like like you say, there's there's a fair amount of

2536
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:32,960
this stuff around now, especially like the sort of post

2537
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:34,119
blood and cantation wave, but.

2538
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, it's been all the rage for ten

2539
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:36,239
years now.

2540
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2541
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 3: And the thing then is what are you going to

2542
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,600
do to stand out? And the best bands all kind

2543
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:43,680
of have their flavor blood and cantation. For me, the

2544
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,000
thing that really stands about them is their understanding of

2545
01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:49,039
progressive rock from the seventies is better than anyone else's,

2546
01:54:49,039 --> 01:54:50,439
and they can write stuff in that style, which is

2547
01:54:50,439 --> 01:54:52,960
as good as bands from back in the day. Horrendous.

2548
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:57,319
It's just like party starting like riffs and lead parts.

2549
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:01,159
Two Mold have that just amazing dexterity of playing where

2550
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:05,399
it's it's just lovely to listen to. Cryptic Shift have

2551
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:10,720
lost their minds? Is that is basically their contribution to

2552
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,199
the scene is we are the most mad.

2553
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2554
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:18,239
Speaker 1: The obvious, obvious separation between this and any number of

2555
01:55:18,319 --> 01:55:21,920
those other big, ambitious prog death albums that we've reviewed

2556
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,479
in the last few years is just how much this

2557
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:28,359
is one that will separate the absolute obsessives for this

2558
01:55:28,439 --> 01:55:31,920
stuff and managing to get a broader audience over with it,

2559
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:35,840
because this is a niche, nerdy album and it is

2560
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,159
fucking absurd. If you go look at the track list

2561
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,319
as it is laid out on their band camp, with

2562
01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:44,279
the long songs broken up into their listed movements as well,

2563
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:48,239
it is such word sids like this is a band

2564
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:51,159
with no concern for restraint. The third things you hear

2565
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:55,199
on Cryogenically Frozen are just straight up like Alan Holdsworth

2566
01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:58,600
cynic style jazz fuse and noodling, and then you have

2567
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,800
some minutes following that of like spaceship sound effects, and

2568
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,279
then you get to the tight, palm muting kind of

2569
01:56:05,319 --> 01:56:07,199
thrash metal picking where it's like okay, we're off and

2570
01:56:07,319 --> 01:56:09,079
already like on their first album, I was in the

2571
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:11,159
camp of thinking Cryptic Shift were you know, pretty good

2572
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:15,359
rather than like really falling for them, because there's something

2573
01:56:15,439 --> 01:56:19,239
holding your arm's length about them, Like it's so overwhelmingly

2574
01:56:19,359 --> 01:56:22,079
tech that it didn't fully connect with my Like Monkey

2575
01:56:22,119 --> 01:56:25,319
Brain Side and this album, maybe it's a bit better

2576
01:56:25,399 --> 01:56:28,920
just because they've gone so whole hog into being outrageous

2577
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,800
and ridiculous with it. But it's it's just hilariously overwhelming,

2578
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,760
and it's it's sort of it's the buy in and

2579
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,880
the barrier to this album. Like this album is interesting

2580
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:42,600
to talk about because there's absolutely no restraint. This album

2581
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,720
is off putting because there's absolutely no restraint, Like it's

2582
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:47,880
both the warning and the cell.

2583
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this record, you know, like I say, going

2584
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:54,800
into it unprimed for what it was going to be.

2585
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,479
It blew my head off. I was absolutely bowled over

2586
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:01,720
by it, and not in the same way that those

2587
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,239
other bands will talk about with some of their recent

2588
01:57:03,279 --> 01:57:05,840
records and how much I've loved them. I can't wait

2589
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,239
for this to end just so I can put it

2590
01:57:07,279 --> 01:57:09,119
on again because I'm so madly in love with it.

2591
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,760
This is a bit more of you better have had

2592
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:14,119
a good breakfast, You've had a good night's sleep, you know,

2593
01:57:14,359 --> 01:57:16,079
roll your shoulders and crack your knuckles and kind of

2594
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:18,319
try to stay in the park, try and keep.

2595
01:57:18,279 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 2: Up with it.

2596
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 3: It's not, it's not it's necessarily as enjoyable as those

2597
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:29,199
records are. But this thing is fascinating and I've listened

2598
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:30,760
to it. I've only managed to listen to it a

2599
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,560
couple of times, but on each one I get more

2600
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,680
and more out of it. But there was such a

2601
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,560
feast on this record. There is so much to go at.

2602
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:43,680
There is so many wild turns, and so so little

2603
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:47,840
use of repetition. Considering how long these songs are, we

2604
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,239
are a long way from being able to unravel this.

2605
01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: I suspect, Sam, what did you think of Cryptic Shift?

2606
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 5: So, look, I've come a long way. Like I love

2607
01:57:59,039 --> 01:58:01,119
that two old record Blood and can Dat some think

2608
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:01,680
are amazing.

2609
01:58:02,399 --> 01:58:05,319
Speaker 4: You got me into Imperial Triumphant like like I have

2610
01:58:05,479 --> 01:58:08,840
come along way with this like and look, no disrepect

2611
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:10,560
to the guys in Crypto Shift, Like my opinion on

2612
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:12,800
your album is irrelevant, I promise you, because this is

2613
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:14,880
I am. This is not my thing you Like, I

2614
01:58:15,079 --> 01:58:16,720
was just going mad about the Pony record and how

2615
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:18,279
that is just like pure Bliss.

2616
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,039
Speaker 5: I hated this. I hated every second of this.

2617
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: Look.

2618
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 4: But I like my jazz fusion death metal shit a

2619
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,560
bit more immediately like gold Star. I like my like

2620
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,520
space age prog metal to have like gorgeous melodies like

2621
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:36,399
two Mold or to have that kind of like pure

2622
01:58:36,479 --> 01:58:37,159
proga adventure.

2623
01:58:37,279 --> 01:58:38,239
Speaker 5: And again I don't want to.

2624
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:40,359
Speaker 4: Throw out like the blooding contention comparison to something that's

2625
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:42,960
an unfair bar to compare any band too, because they

2626
01:58:43,039 --> 01:58:45,520
have like that that that album is so clearly like

2627
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,119
the sort of monolith for this sort of thing. And

2628
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:53,520
fair play to Cryptic Shift. You have gone, we are

2629
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,920
going to out mental all these bands. I have managed

2630
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,079
this in this album in full, from front of front

2631
01:58:59,079 --> 01:59:02,279
of back. On the first few goes it, I had

2632
01:59:02,319 --> 01:59:04,319
to stop. I had to kind of take a break.

2633
01:59:05,239 --> 01:59:09,880
That twenty nine minute song like Time Stood Still, which.

2634
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Is like track two as well as Still.

2635
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 4: That song is an hour long, Like I like fair Enough,

2636
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,239
you know, insane musicianship like all over this. I don't like,

2637
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,000
I don't want to talk down this album because I'm

2638
01:59:24,039 --> 01:59:27,439
not like, I'm not like in the position about this album.

2639
01:59:27,479 --> 01:59:29,359
Speaker 5: But I just want to send my piece like this

2640
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,840
is just so not for me, Like I was.

2641
01:59:32,119 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 4: I even said to you in the film, was like, look,

2642
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,560
you got me into Imperial Trump and you needed a

2643
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,000
new enemy for me, and you found it in Cryptic Shift,

2644
01:59:38,319 --> 01:59:39,800
and I'm happy to hand over to you two for

2645
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:42,399
this because it just I just completely bounce off. Is that,

2646
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,279
like I have nothing to add to the conversation, and

2647
01:59:44,359 --> 01:59:46,520
I know I feel it's now that I don't even

2648
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:49,000
feel any kind of like isn't it fun to say

2649
01:59:49,039 --> 01:59:49,359
I hate this?

2650
01:59:49,439 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 5: Because I'm like it just is.

2651
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. That's why.

2652
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:58,279
Speaker 5: I feel bad for the band almost for me to

2653
01:59:58,359 --> 01:59:59,560
just be like, I fucking hate this. I think this

2654
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:03,520
is rubber. It's really not. But it's just so just

2655
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:06,319
it's just too much for me to handle. I was

2656
02:00:06,359 --> 02:00:09,560
like like I got nothing. I'm really sorry.

2657
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 4: Like I was like, like, do you know what thing

2658
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:13,920
Like if it was that twenty minute song and maybe

2659
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:16,319
like one or twelve songs, I could maybe just about

2660
02:00:16,359 --> 02:00:20,319
process this. But when that twenty minutes song finishes and

2661
02:00:20,399 --> 02:00:23,159
we are halfway through the album, I was like, Jesus fuck,

2662
02:00:23,239 --> 02:00:25,520
this is this is too much for me to handle.

2663
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:27,840
I've gotta I'm gonna take a break, so I'm happy

2664
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:29,520
to throw over to you to to talk about the

2665
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,880
insane journey that is this Cryptics Gift album.

2666
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,359
Speaker 2: Thank you for your service in a way, Sam, and

2667
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,000
I mean this in the best way possible.

2668
02:00:38,119 --> 02:00:40,319
Speaker 3: You coming on and saying how much you despise it

2669
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:44,159
is in a way the best review we could give it,

2670
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,920
because all that stuff was saying like Imperial Triumphant and

2671
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,159
Bloodying Tentations, Like the way those bands, despite doing something

2672
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:54,119
so you know, obtuse and difficult and off putting, managed

2673
02:00:54,119 --> 02:00:55,239
to have that crossover thing.

2674
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 2: There's a stripe out there, who yeah, who for them?

2675
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,039
Speaker 3: They might look at blood in Cantation or Impero Triumphant

2676
02:01:02,039 --> 02:01:05,079
and think, oh, you know it's that's that's not the

2677
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,840
real mental stuff. Like it gets way more mental than that.

2678
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:10,560
And if you can want to say that I like

2679
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:13,279
those bands and this is way too much, I think

2680
02:01:13,319 --> 02:01:16,399
Cryptic Shift will be chuffed with that, because I don't

2681
02:01:16,439 --> 02:01:19,239
suspect they're making this record hoping to win over any

2682
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:23,239
you know, part timers in this thing, like this is

2683
02:01:23,439 --> 02:01:29,159
for them and them alone, and it's absolutely off its rocker.

2684
02:01:29,479 --> 02:01:32,880
This thing, like the things it starts from a mental

2685
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,279
place that space prog death metal is already an obtuse

2686
02:01:36,359 --> 02:01:39,119
and weird thing, and the things they're put like that.

2687
02:01:39,239 --> 02:01:40,840
Just I was got writing stuff down as it came

2688
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,199
to me, Like this bit sounds like sixth This bit

2689
02:01:43,279 --> 02:01:46,600
sounds like Buckehead where you're on he's playing a Gorgut song.

2690
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:49,319
Speaker 2: It's so I think.

2691
02:01:49,359 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 3: The other thing about it is it's not just that

2692
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:54,560
it's complicated, it's that it's so much of it is nauseating.

2693
02:01:55,039 --> 02:01:56,920
Like when they solo, they.

2694
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 2: Shriek and it's so shrill, and it's like you kind

2695
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,000
of got it, guys, you pace yourselves. We've got a

2696
02:02:04,079 --> 02:02:08,319
long way to go, like we throw us some bones here.

2697
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, I wanted to make sure

2698
02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:12,920
we got some reviews because it's it's bold, isn't it,

2699
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,560
you know? And it's like it is certainly it's a

2700
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,520
benchmark in metal this year for something.

2701
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:20,479
Speaker 2: Let it be known. I think this record has major

2702
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,600
fucking problems. Like I'm not just.

2703
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:28,119
Speaker 1: Proclaiming because this is such a like ridiculous fucking monolith

2704
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:30,399
of a record that it's automatically objectively the best thing

2705
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:33,600
or whatever. Like I think this record has fucking some

2706
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,199
downfalls to put it lightly, but I wanted to put

2707
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,239
it in because it's bold and it's interesting, you know,

2708
02:02:38,319 --> 02:02:40,600
and it is like often quite thrilling, like the I mean,

2709
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:43,840
the first song, the nine minute introduction is it's the

2710
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,760
easiest cell on the record, right, and that is like

2711
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,399
a you know, full throttle blasting the g force in

2712
02:02:48,439 --> 02:02:52,439
your face. It's great nutty bass playing throughout obviously, and

2713
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,319
then you get to the second fucking song, which again

2714
02:02:55,319 --> 02:02:57,159
all the titles are just you know, as I said,

2715
02:02:57,199 --> 02:03:00,840
sort of sci fi word gibberish, and you go, okay, yeah,

2716
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,640
you were dropping us in easy at first? Do you

2717
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,640
get flashes of almost like what you're saying about horrendous?

2718
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:09,560
I was like, you know, just like horns up metal

2719
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:11,840
rifts that you get, you get flashes of them. There's

2720
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:13,960
one that comes six and a half minutes into that

2721
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:15,239
pick up on.

2722
02:03:15,239 --> 02:03:19,359
Speaker 5: That rift, and that is rocking six minutes in rocking riff.

2723
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a sick part and it's a real relief

2724
02:03:23,039 --> 02:03:25,479
because prior to that you were like a lobster being

2725
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:29,920
slowly submerged into a pot of boiling space jazz. You

2726
02:03:30,079 --> 02:03:32,239
get that lifeline, it's like, oh, we're off and it is.

2727
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:36,960
It's an extremelessen not necessarily for how you know, scathing

2728
02:03:37,079 --> 02:03:39,960
or heavy it is sometimes, but just for drowning you

2729
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:42,720
in so much like weird o jazz death that you

2730
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:44,560
come up the other side not really knowing what a

2731
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:47,520
rift sounds like anymore. I liked that the vocal goes

2732
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:49,840
beyond like pure guttural death metal and into this sort

2733
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,640
of like higher yelp. A lot of the time it

2734
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:54,239
reminds me of this more kind of you know, sort

2735
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:57,720
of unhinged violent metal edge again, maybe comparable to bands

2736
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,960
that horrendous and stuff like that. There's a manic sensibilit

2737
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:03,720
that helps give it, even in its most floating, you know,

2738
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:06,319
floating in the void moments, some kind of vitality to it.

2739
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:09,039
There's a guitar silo thirteen minutes in to that song,

2740
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:11,079
and he just hits this out right before it, which

2741
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:14,000
is really great, and you get these like daft wretches

2742
02:04:14,479 --> 02:04:15,079
and stuff like that.

2743
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:16,479
Speaker 2: And when they do hit these.

2744
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: Moments of real head banging relief. Again, they're still technical, involved,

2745
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:25,680
intricate riffs. They feel brilliant those parts, maybe because it

2746
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:27,920
is I say, you know, you've been given like a

2747
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:33,039
delightful piece of cheese after being waterboarded previously. You know,

2748
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:35,239
that's kind of what they're like. But you get those

2749
02:04:35,279 --> 02:04:36,680
reps and you go like, oh my god, this is

2750
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:39,399
so bright and fun and sweet and these type parts.

2751
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:43,600
But then another movement will come in, of course, and

2752
02:04:44,039 --> 02:04:45,800
there's a part in the last third of that song

2753
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:49,319
that's just like extended, like stretching an elastic band of

2754
02:04:49,399 --> 02:04:52,840
feedback and noise to see kind of where it'll release

2755
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:56,319
and go to again. There's another track that's about ten

2756
02:04:56,359 --> 02:05:00,279
minutes long called Hyperspace Topography, which is another merely you know,

2757
02:05:00,439 --> 02:05:03,399
thrashing song, and that's you know they are. On any

2758
02:05:03,439 --> 02:05:05,199
other records, those will be like fucking hell, look at

2759
02:05:05,239 --> 02:05:08,079
these like labyrinthine structural things. On this they are the

2760
02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:12,640
most just like purely alive songs on the record, rather

2761
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:14,600
than you know, the marathons on them. You have fucking

2762
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:18,159
gurgly distorted robot voices in it, so many guitar ideas.

2763
02:05:18,319 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 2: It's great.

2764
02:05:19,319 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 1: This record I think does face a serious problem in

2765
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,439
that it is so stylistically one note throughout this whole

2766
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:30,920
megapackage that it does wear itself out, no doubt. I again,

2767
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:36,479
I admire how absolutely unconcerned with making itself pallable it is,

2768
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:40,119
and it is again, this is for people who have

2769
02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:44,640
dined on so much Techi cosmic space death that they

2770
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:48,359
kind of want that extra challenge of a eighty minute

2771
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:51,720
like again holding you as at arm's length as you

2772
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:54,239
possibly can to try and break inside of it. It's

2773
02:05:54,319 --> 02:05:57,600
indulgent to an absolute extreme. And it's only really for

2774
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:00,159
the biggest nerds of this style that does it even

2775
02:06:00,199 --> 02:06:02,159
necessarily have to be a criticism. Again, if that is you,

2776
02:06:02,319 --> 02:06:04,239
you know, if you want that, I'm just noting it

2777
02:06:04,279 --> 02:06:06,840
as an observation. Obviously, most people will be alienated by

2778
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:09,479
this and the thing that this band lack most of all.

2779
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:11,479
They've got all of the incredible playing, they've got the

2780
02:06:11,479 --> 02:06:13,960
incredible tones, all of that. It's discipline, you know. And

2781
02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:16,760
I did find myself listening to the final track, the

2782
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:20,239
twenty minute title track, and going aside from the bit

2783
02:06:20,279 --> 02:06:23,039
when Mike brown In plays the theoremine, is there anything

2784
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:26,079
being added to the album at this stage that hasn't

2785
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:29,479
really already been covered? And I think a more seasoned band,

2786
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:32,399
again not on their second album, I think would go,

2787
02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:34,720
you know, converge. I'm going to do that right, like

2788
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:37,000
there would go, we're threatening to make ourselves redundant. Here,

2789
02:06:37,079 --> 02:06:40,000
let's restructure. The fact is, in a month with this

2790
02:06:40,119 --> 02:06:42,840
many reviews, as you were saying, like we are, you

2791
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:46,680
probably need to listen to this only obsessively for like

2792
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:49,560
a month straight, just to break the surface of how

2793
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:52,479
these songs actually work, you know, and in the real

2794
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:54,079
world that's not how we've been able to do it.

2795
02:06:54,319 --> 02:06:57,079
But if you can, and you can just tunnel vision

2796
02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:00,479
on this, my fucking monster, it might be your new possession.

2797
02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2798
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 3: I think to compare them to a prog band, like

2799
02:07:05,079 --> 02:07:08,800
someone like Pink Floyd, you know, at their absolute peak

2800
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:12,680
in the seventies, they were writing long, involved, complicated songs,

2801
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:16,159
but they were fundamentally brilliant songs. A song like Dogs

2802
02:07:17,039 --> 02:07:19,640
has to be seventeen minutes long, but it feels naturally.

2803
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:23,239
It doesn't feel like it's just you know, it's lost itself,

2804
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:26,039
but you'll know because you've gone down the rabbit hole recently.

2805
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:26,319
Speaker 5: Poem.

2806
02:07:26,319 --> 02:07:30,159
Speaker 2: But like not all Pink Floyd is that good. This

2807
02:07:30,279 --> 02:07:32,399
is cryptic shifting. That um a gummer, hero, Yeah, this

2808
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:33,199
is a gummer.

2809
02:07:34,479 --> 02:07:36,479
Speaker 3: Like you kind of have to like the fact that

2810
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:39,000
some of it's bullshit in order to get past it.

2811
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:42,039
That's kind of like what I had to adjust to

2812
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:43,720
with this, recognized that there are parts of this which

2813
02:07:44,479 --> 02:07:46,920
sonically that they're may be incredibly impressive. I don't know

2814
02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:49,159
how much I'm enjoying, like overspace and super time. I

2815
02:07:49,279 --> 02:07:51,279
was really starting to get that ear fatigue towards the end,

2816
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:55,399
but like six minutes in there's just that squalling noise

2817
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,000
and it's like it's like going through the stargate. You

2818
02:07:58,079 --> 02:08:01,079
just pin to your seat and it's a wild and

2819
02:08:01,479 --> 02:08:04,840
unexpected and just disarming move that it wakes you up

2820
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:08,319
and unnerves you. But thinking about later, I was going like,

2821
02:08:08,479 --> 02:08:09,840
was I enjoying that? Like?

2822
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:13,479
Speaker 2: Did I actually was? I was? I pleased by that sensation.

2823
02:08:14,119 --> 02:08:17,199
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like I said, I think it's

2824
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:21,439
a fascinating record, and I kind of like how you

2825
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,000
say undisciplined, I just think like unruly, like it just

2826
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:27,279
they do not care, but they're willing themselves how far

2827
02:08:27,399 --> 02:08:29,079
can we push this? Let's push it further and further

2828
02:08:29,079 --> 02:08:31,399
and further. They're going in the opposite direction of how

2829
02:08:31,479 --> 02:08:33,840
do we make this better? And you know, more concise

2830
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:38,479
at least right now, it hasn't invited that I need to, like,

2831
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:41,119
if I want to understand this record, it right now

2832
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:43,880
does feel more like a task or a chure than

2833
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:46,159
something i'll than something that I'll just arrive at by

2834
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:48,079
obsessibly wanting to listen to it again and again.

2835
02:08:48,439 --> 02:08:50,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm completely on the same page, but

2836
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:51,199
I do think what you just said about, you know,

2837
02:08:51,319 --> 02:08:54,159
undisciplined versus unruly, it is the like I was saying,

2838
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:56,600
it's the trade off of the record. It's kind of

2839
02:08:56,640 --> 02:08:59,560
what it is built on to, you know, make it

2840
02:09:00,319 --> 02:09:01,960
interesting to you as much as it is the thing

2841
02:09:02,039 --> 02:09:03,560
that could push you out. And it is the prism

2842
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:05,319
that you look at it from in that way, because

2843
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:07,720
I think about, you know, like a Cynic are an

2844
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:09,960
obvious band who are one of the progenitors of this,

2845
02:09:10,119 --> 02:09:13,560
and Cynic albums are thirty five minutes long, and you're

2846
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:17,159
not gonna make a better jazz fusion death metal album

2847
02:09:17,479 --> 02:09:20,600
than Focus or Trace It in Air in that kind

2848
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:23,920
of package right where they mastered the fitting of that

2849
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:27,880
universe into a tight, sticky package like that. So if

2850
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:29,840
you're going to try and add something to that conversation,

2851
02:09:30,319 --> 02:09:33,760
go completely the other way and go as fucking maximalist

2852
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:35,399
as you can with it, and it's not going to

2853
02:09:35,479 --> 02:09:37,800
lend itself to being as listenable. I do think this

2854
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:40,720
album is so excessive. Obviously, it's not really prying to

2855
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:44,680
do anything but to be the most absurd ott tech

2856
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,560
space thrash album it could be. And you can compare

2857
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:50,159
it to you know, the other albums of more Magnetude

2858
02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:52,119
to have come from this world of late, the obvious

2859
02:09:52,199 --> 02:09:54,640
candidates and the things that they do that I think

2860
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:57,840
this album doesn't reach, despite being twice the length of

2861
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:01,199
most of them. Despite this albums in sane girth, like

2862
02:10:01,279 --> 02:10:03,960
I was saying, it is mostly almost entirely in the

2863
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,479
realm of this like newly jazz meets tech space, you

2864
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,600
know death that's just stretched to an absolute breaking point

2865
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,119
that I don't find this album, you know, it doesn't

2866
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:16,359
reach that transcendence point because, amongst other things, it's sonically

2867
02:10:16,439 --> 02:10:19,079
and stylistically very similar throughout its whole runtime, and it

2868
02:10:19,159 --> 02:10:21,239
comes off more you know, salady as a result of that.

2869
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:24,119
But at the same time, I step back and I

2870
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:26,119
look at it and maybe there is something to you know,

2871
02:10:26,279 --> 02:10:28,399
I don't feel that this is a you know, an

2872
02:10:28,479 --> 02:10:31,439
undeniable moment of something really spectacular and special and breathtaking,

2873
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:35,399
just because it is objectively the most music and the

2874
02:10:35,479 --> 02:10:37,840
biggest undertaking that we've taken on this kind of music

2875
02:10:38,199 --> 02:10:40,800
of late. But I do think this album we will

2876
02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:44,600
remember as what is the most daft, over the top

2877
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:48,039
thing to come out of that twenty twenties cosmic death

2878
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:50,760
metal boom. It's not the best album it's produced, but

2879
02:10:51,039 --> 02:10:53,520
that might be the accolade that it holds onto and

2880
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:54,399
it's hard to beat.

2881
02:10:55,439 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 2: I want someone to try.

2882
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:04,439
Speaker 1: Imagine if we're in a couple months time with like, Okay,

2883
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:07,720
now here's the one hundred minute I'm quitting the podcast.

2884
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,479
Speaker 4: Like you've had you out and you've had your eighty

2885
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:13,399
minute Space from Death Nightmare album.

2886
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 5: We're done for the year.

2887
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:19,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had We've had two jazz metal freak out

2888
02:11:19,399 --> 02:11:20,760
albums in two months.

2889
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:23,359
Speaker 5: Right, we have the fucking back and grilling album. Last month,

2890
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:27,439
you've had your film, Like, we're done for the year. Okay,

2891
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:30,199
you have played your cards too early. I don't care.

2892
02:11:30,279 --> 02:11:33,159
There's something that is like I am drawing the line.

2893
02:11:34,279 --> 02:11:36,439
Speaker 2: I find no more prog. What are we doing there?

2894
02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:41,239
Speaker 1: We've not heard our fill of prog for the episode

2895
02:11:41,279 --> 02:11:45,479
of Free because now we had a slot here where

2896
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:46,600
you know, we've got a couple of albums here that

2897
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:48,399
have come from Sam. We've got a slot we handed

2898
02:11:48,439 --> 02:11:50,640
over to you, Elliott, to put something forward, and you

2899
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:53,319
went for a record which I had mentioned on you know,

2900
02:11:53,359 --> 02:11:55,279
a hyperblast released round up at the end of last

2901
02:11:55,319 --> 02:11:59,479
month Hallas and Panorama, and I was, I was a

2902
02:11:59,479 --> 02:12:02,960
little bit where about prog overkill this month? But after

2903
02:12:03,039 --> 02:12:06,600
Cryptic Shift, this is more like the comfy, easy listening

2904
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:10,159
album of the Like I said, they've water boarded you

2905
02:12:10,279 --> 02:12:12,479
and here you've been given a lovely glass of red

2906
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:17,039
wine to come down from the experience. So Helas tell

2907
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:19,960
us about why this is the album that has been

2908
02:12:20,039 --> 02:12:21,880
you know, tickling your fancy in these past couple weeks.

2909
02:12:22,319 --> 02:12:24,119
Speaker 2: Well, kind of just touch a bit.

2910
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 3: We talk about prog quite a lot on this show nowadays,

2911
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:33,760
which I suck it Losers, which I think is a

2912
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:35,920
wonderful thing. And it is this thing of especially like

2913
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:38,600
in extreme music, there's just more more of the tropes

2914
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:41,359
of like seventies, prog have been rearing its head more

2915
02:12:41,399 --> 02:12:43,920
and more so it's like a natural number of that.

2916
02:12:44,279 --> 02:12:48,079
Speaker 2: But what we don't talk about is full Dad Prog,

2917
02:12:48,359 --> 02:12:51,239
which is a kind of that's very near and dear

2918
02:12:51,279 --> 02:12:51,720
to my heart.

2919
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:54,439
Speaker 3: We might talk about it because it's in short segments

2920
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:57,960
of other records, but unless I'm forgetting something, this might

2921
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:00,479
be the first time, at least since I started doing

2922
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:06,159
the show where we're talking about an unalloyed, unmitigated Dad

2923
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:09,199
Prog record. Yeah, and I would not be that fuss

2924
02:13:09,239 --> 02:13:11,720
about bringing I listened to a handful of these albums

2925
02:13:11,880 --> 02:13:15,399
every year. I that sounds lovely, it's got an organ

2926
02:13:16,039 --> 02:13:18,479
I like it, but I don't think about bringing it

2927
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:22,000
here or suggesting it. But this one I thought was

2928
02:13:22,039 --> 02:13:27,000
of such high quality that it warranted want a discussion.

2929
02:13:27,279 --> 02:13:28,319
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

2930
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:31,640
Speaker 1: Halas they've been kicking around for about a decade, starting

2931
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:34,800
off self styled as adventure rock in a case of

2932
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:38,039
really appealing to the sam's out there. And if you know,

2933
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:39,840
if there is a link to this, you know space

2934
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,520
prog metal contingent that we've just been at. It's obviously

2935
02:13:42,640 --> 02:13:45,880
because after the success of absolutely Elsewhere in the last

2936
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,720
eighteen months, you can go, Hey, the keyboardist from Halas

2937
02:13:49,159 --> 02:13:52,199
is the guy who plays all those sublime SyncE solos

2938
02:13:52,319 --> 02:13:55,239
on the Blooding contation album. But this band they've built

2939
02:13:55,279 --> 02:13:57,680
up I think, you know, a respectable cult audience where

2940
02:13:57,720 --> 02:14:00,680
they have become. I think maybe it's it's the right

2941
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:01,520
circle you have.

2942
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 2: To be in.

2943
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more of like a weird I know again,

2944
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,199
cult underground circle more than like your prog magazine circle perhaps,

2945
02:14:07,319 --> 02:14:09,560
But from where I'm sitting, they're one of the most

2946
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:14,319
kind of most recently appraised contemporary bands playing as you say,

2947
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:17,399
full on nineteen seventies style prog rock. You know, like

2948
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:19,960
between this and the Worm album, it's a big episode

2949
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,239
for capes, isn't it. Like this is full capital P prog.

2950
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:25,800
This is for if you are someone who shelled out

2951
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:28,159
money to get a rush ticket this week, This albums

2952
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:29,920
for you. This is for the floyd Heads. This is

2953
02:14:29,960 --> 02:14:33,479
for you know, Genesis fans, Yes, fans like fucking you,

2954
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:36,079
Rayah Heap, wishbone Ash, you know, like this is as

2955
02:14:36,119 --> 02:14:38,920
a cheeseboards galore on this thing. For sure, I agree,

2956
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:42,399
it happens to be pretty wonderful. And I despite you know,

2957
02:14:42,479 --> 02:14:45,640
I love a lot of the classic seventies prog. There

2958
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:48,840
aren't a million albums every year in that style where

2959
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:53,439
I go, that's really worthy of praise. This is one

2960
02:14:53,439 --> 02:14:54,640
of the only ones I would say of the last

2961
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:57,239
like handful of years where I've gone, that Hellas album

2962
02:14:57,359 --> 02:14:58,920
is fucking outstanding for that kind of thing.

2963
02:15:00,039 --> 02:15:03,880
Speaker 3: And it's it's partly the well, obviously entirely the quality

2964
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:06,239
of the thing, but also I think as much as

2965
02:15:06,279 --> 02:15:08,560
there is a lot of this kind of prog around,

2966
02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:11,039
you mentioned Genesis there, and that's a band that doesn't

2967
02:15:11,079 --> 02:15:13,239
get sighted all that much, and I think it's because

2968
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:14,840
maybe that was what they went on to be with

2969
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:16,560
Phil Collins or whatever, but they're not seen as the

2970
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:20,319
coolest like version of that seventies prog thing. Bands will

2971
02:15:20,399 --> 02:15:23,079
name drop and cite Pink Floyd and Kink Crimson and

2972
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:25,119
you know, gentle gent emine like Jethro Tald and things

2973
02:15:25,159 --> 02:15:30,239
like that. But Gabrieleerrogenesis is one of my favorites of

2974
02:15:30,399 --> 02:15:34,399
that whole era of bands. I love that sound and

2975
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,960
this band they kind of bring that. And it's again

2976
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,000
you all the things we're saying about it being like

2977
02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:42,079
very nerdy, and there's capes and all that sort of

2978
02:15:42,199 --> 02:15:47,880
like moogs, theremin's daft percussion, dulcimer's bells, flutes, woodwin twenty

2979
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,159
minute songs. If you just looked at it, like in

2980
02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:53,279
a if you're doing an autopsy of the record, you'd

2981
02:15:53,319 --> 02:15:57,119
think this is going to be totally unappealing and up

2982
02:15:57,199 --> 02:15:59,399
its own ars and not of interest to anyone outside

2983
02:15:59,439 --> 02:16:03,119
of those tight circles. But I think this is one

2984
02:16:03,159 --> 02:16:07,600
of the most purely agreeable records, yeah, that I've heard

2985
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:11,600
in sometime. And maybe that's my own views like coloring

2986
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,239
this and I'm not I'm showing my bias, but I

2987
02:16:15,439 --> 02:16:17,079
just love the sound of the thing. And I think

2988
02:16:17,079 --> 02:16:19,159
they write really excellent songs in a way that so

2989
02:16:19,279 --> 02:16:22,039
many of these bands don't seem to bother to. They

2990
02:16:22,119 --> 02:16:23,520
just seem to go, I've got a cape and I've

2991
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:27,000
got a flute, so that'll fool them, Like Hallas write

2992
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:28,079
excellent songs.

2993
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an album that really understands the lessons

2994
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:34,760
and the traditions of the world that's come from you know.

2995
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:37,520
I mean, I can't believe how many twenty plus minute

2996
02:16:37,559 --> 02:16:41,079
songs we've decided to fit into this episode, But this

2997
02:16:41,639 --> 02:16:44,319
starts with one of those, and again in a same

2998
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:46,280
way we were saying about absolutely elsewhere, for example, where

2999
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:48,479
we went like, you know, okay, it's these two twenty

3000
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:51,719
minute songs, but they've done a really classic prog rock

3001
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:53,360
thing of like, yeah, this is a side of vinyl

3002
02:16:53,479 --> 02:16:55,879
on each one, and the album experience is really like

3003
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:58,840
the structure and the integrity of that is really maintained

3004
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,319
despite how grand it went. Above The Continuum is one

3005
02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:07,000
of those it's full side of vinyl opening track, and

3006
02:17:07,079 --> 02:17:08,159
I think, you know, if you look at the previous

3007
02:17:08,159 --> 02:17:11,520
Hellass albums, this is their moment of like really spreading

3008
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:13,280
their wings to attempt that you know, they've built up

3009
02:17:13,319 --> 02:17:15,799
their skill over their previous albums to then go, Okay,

3010
02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:17,440
let's have a crack at the big one. And then

3011
02:17:17,479 --> 02:17:20,680
you have Side B, which is four tracks of more

3012
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:24,520
concise and more you know, specific per song in what

3013
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:27,440
they're kind of going for, you know, breadth, and that's

3014
02:17:27,479 --> 02:17:29,840
actually kind of manageable for what it is. And this is,

3015
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:33,399
you know, a lesson in can we capture this breadth

3016
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:36,079
of imagination in your music but present it in a

3017
02:17:36,079 --> 02:17:38,719
way that is really effortlessly listenable. And that's what we

3018
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:40,399
always say about, you know, the great Rush albums and

3019
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:42,559
the great Pink Floyd albums and stuff like that, particularly

3020
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:44,680
the ones where they have those like epic monolithic songs.

3021
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:47,719
It's the albums themselves are actually pretty approachable. Wish You

3022
02:17:47,799 --> 02:17:50,159
Were Here is five songs, twenty one to twelve is

3023
02:17:50,600 --> 02:17:53,319
six songs, and the remaining five are about as long

3024
02:17:53,399 --> 02:17:55,680
collectively as the opening title track. That's how you structure

3025
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:57,920
one of these things. And this album is like, that's

3026
02:17:57,959 --> 02:18:00,840
how you do it, you know. And it's a really cozy,

3027
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:06,719
reassuring album. And that first fucking song is so good.

3028
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:08,440
Speaker 2: It's so good.

3029
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 1: They're Swedish, so they have the retro organic sound and

3030
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:14,520
everything down perfectly, like that's their speciality over there, the

3031
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:17,680
little keyboard chimes and stuff that give your first real

3032
02:18:17,680 --> 02:18:19,600
hook on their album, the mellotron you get.

3033
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,239
Speaker 2: And then what I will say is when.

3034
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:24,399
Speaker 1: You get one of these, like again, twenty minute prog

3035
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:26,239
type songs, you think of, you know again, the great

3036
02:18:26,239 --> 02:18:28,079
Floyd Ones, and you think of, you know, stuff like echoes,

3037
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:31,440
and they're so kind of wistful, and this has elements

3038
02:18:31,479 --> 02:18:34,120
of that. You don't expect those songs to start like

3039
02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:38,079
Prime Goblin in their tenebray era, going full eighties disco

3040
02:18:38,239 --> 02:18:40,639
pulse with the vocode of voice like it is a

3041
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:42,879
prog epic, and it becomes more of a what you

3042
02:18:42,920 --> 02:18:45,120
would imagine as a typical prog epic. But when it

3043
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:47,799
starts straight away your dadson, and it's just such a

3044
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:49,879
great way to hook you into all the places that's

3045
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:50,399
then gonna go.

3046
02:18:51,239 --> 02:18:54,040
Speaker 3: I was thrown off my shoes when that came in,

3047
02:18:54,079 --> 02:18:55,799
because you see, you see the twenty minutes that you

3048
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,920
just go. I've got a space in my mind for

3049
02:18:58,040 --> 02:19:01,159
albums like this, ex Like twenty one twelve, Wish You Here, hemispheres.

3050
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:02,879
You go, I know what these short songs are gonna

3051
02:19:02,879 --> 02:19:04,959
sound like. I know what this one's gonna be, and

3052
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:08,239
you just you brace yourself for that. When this like

3053
02:19:09,159 --> 02:19:13,159
roars into being a pop song that sounds more like

3054
02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:18,120
Santana than it does fucking king Crimson, I was so

3055
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:20,520
thrown off, and in the best way. And then there's

3056
02:19:20,559 --> 02:19:25,040
just these unbelievable twin leads over that disco beat, and

3057
02:19:25,399 --> 02:19:27,879
then when that gives way to like a waltzing version

3058
02:19:27,879 --> 02:19:30,920
of the Rainbow Road music, it's just there's so many

3059
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,719
great ideas in this song, but you're quite right like it.

3060
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:38,959
It's in total it's very expansive and experimental and tries

3061
02:19:38,959 --> 02:19:41,639
different things and throws stuff at you, but moment to moment,

3062
02:19:42,760 --> 02:19:44,559
it's just it's it's just a jam.

3063
02:19:45,079 --> 02:19:46,479
Speaker 2: It's an amazing song.

3064
02:19:46,840 --> 02:19:49,159
Speaker 1: Like somehow within the first three minutes, like you said,

3065
02:19:49,159 --> 02:19:51,959
you go from that like insane eighties goblin disco to

3066
02:19:52,079 --> 02:19:55,319
that like gorgeous seventies classic rock twin leads. As you're saying,

3067
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:57,760
there's a guitar melody that hits about nine minutes in

3068
02:19:58,159 --> 02:20:01,840
that's full on like phantas movie score, gliding on the

3069
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:08,360
clouds that it's it's like a motif that comes throughout

3070
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:09,959
the song, and then it ended on the strings and stuff.

3071
02:20:09,959 --> 02:20:13,120
It's wonderful. They lace in that these like Gregorian choir

3072
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:16,600
parts doing the like ascending a going up and down

3073
02:20:17,159 --> 02:20:19,959
straight just like magical shit. Then there's a synth part

3074
02:20:20,040 --> 02:20:22,639
that's straight out of Russia's subdivisions, and then a guitar

3075
02:20:22,719 --> 02:20:25,040
in the last five minutes that goes full fucking brave

3076
02:20:25,079 --> 02:20:30,280
soir Robin ran away. It's so good, Sam, Where did

3077
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:31,399
we land on this one?

3078
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:33,760
Speaker 2: Considering where we have been of late.

3079
02:20:34,680 --> 02:20:37,079
Speaker 5: I'm terrified. I'm about to have a seventy prog phase.

3080
02:20:38,159 --> 02:20:39,680
This is fucking great.

3081
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:43,799
Speaker 4: And here's the thing you've touched on like my but again,

3082
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:47,000
like this after listening to that fucking Cryptic Shift album,

3083
02:20:47,079 --> 02:20:49,840
I was like, so, here's the thing, right, the structure,

3084
02:20:49,879 --> 02:20:51,479
it's so important, the fact that this is like, you know,

3085
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:55,079
forty eight minutes from that come up exactly. But it's

3086
02:20:55,479 --> 02:21:00,360
it's not a long album like Side at twenty minute epic. Again,

3087
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:03,159
it's a really kind of like well paced, well fought out,

3088
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:05,559
Like there's maybe a couple of minutes in the middle

3089
02:21:05,719 --> 02:21:08,920
of that first song where the new ling guitar parts

3090
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,319
maybe get a little bit too meandering that I was

3091
02:21:11,399 --> 02:21:13,680
kind of like, Okay, come on, but the last five

3092
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,920
minutes of that song, now we're cooking like that is

3093
02:21:17,079 --> 02:21:19,520
like so good. And also the beginning bit where again

3094
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:21,639
you said like eighties com and I was like, this

3095
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:26,360
is shit seventies sci fi movie soundtrack territory without those

3096
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,440
kind of likes. And I was like, I'm in on

3097
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:30,159
this because I've watched so many of those movies, like

3098
02:21:30,559 --> 02:21:33,799
and it sounds so of that and it just oddly comforting.

3099
02:21:33,879 --> 02:21:35,879
And I was like, I just found this this song

3100
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,920
in particular, to be a nice journey to go on

3101
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,559
that actually it does like kind of movement and you know,

3102
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:43,680
you get the very kind of like storyteller bits where

3103
02:21:43,719 --> 02:21:45,760
it's like so up its own arts in the sort

3104
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:49,000
of seventies prong way, but it is it just it fits.

3105
02:21:49,079 --> 02:21:51,959
It feels authentic. It's a little bit quaint, but it's

3106
02:21:52,079 --> 02:21:55,399
not like again, it is nerdy as hell, but they

3107
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,360
clearly fucking love this shit. They clearly have studied these

3108
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:01,200
And again, this is coming off the back of me

3109
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:03,040
getting into Rush and then that includes kind of like

3110
02:22:03,079 --> 02:22:06,440
getting into seventies Rush. I like those albums now Like,

3111
02:22:06,959 --> 02:22:09,440
so I'm kind of like got enough of a toe

3112
02:22:09,479 --> 02:22:11,479
in on this stuff to not be completely put off.

3113
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:14,360
Speaker 5: But it is, you know, like a.

3114
02:22:14,559 --> 02:22:18,040
Speaker 4: Really cool EPI Judes go on, and then Face of

3115
02:22:18,079 --> 02:22:19,639
an Angel hits, and I mean you get the fucking

3116
02:22:19,719 --> 02:22:24,520
multi five and coconut shells, horse galloping, then that riff

3117
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:29,159
hits and they are strutting, we are rocking, We are

3118
02:22:29,479 --> 02:22:35,079
men rocking and rolling and with poper mediacy. Face of

3119
02:22:35,079 --> 02:22:36,920
an Angel's one of my favorite songs I've heard this year.

3120
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:38,959
Speaker 5: I think that song is fucking ten out of ten.

3121
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first song I think is maybe their moment

3122
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:44,399
as a band so far right. I think it's it's

3123
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:47,319
a worthy album. On its own. Getting that song, I

3124
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:49,959
need to be watching that band play it wearing a

3125
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:53,680
cape yesterday, you know. But track two, how do you

3126
02:22:53,799 --> 02:22:58,360
follow up twenty one minutes of the most awe inspiring,

3127
02:22:58,719 --> 02:23:02,120
magical adventure rock that you can get. The answer is,

3128
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:05,760
of course a nightfly orchestra style yacht rock wedding jam.

3129
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:08,639
And that's what Piece of an Angel is, and that

3130
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:10,760
fucking rocks because we love that around these parts.

3131
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:13,159
Speaker 3: It's one of the like when you get one of

3132
02:23:13,159 --> 02:23:15,520
these prog epics, right, following up is always one of

3133
02:23:15,559 --> 02:23:18,040
the hardest things because it's like people might be tired,

3134
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:19,319
you know, by the end of that song, they might

3135
02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:21,040
want to go and do something else or listen or whatever.

3136
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:25,479
And that song above the continue being I was actually

3137
02:23:25,479 --> 02:23:27,360
I was thinking about this, so, what's the best bonafide

3138
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:29,559
progressive rock epic of that length?

3139
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:31,879
Speaker 2: What was the last one that was that that was

3140
02:23:31,959 --> 02:23:32,280
that good?

3141
02:23:32,319 --> 02:23:34,239
Speaker 3: And I was honestly thinking about to like Anesthetize by

3142
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:36,319
Porcupine Tree, which like two thousand and seven, So it's

3143
02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:40,920
like they've set an unbelievable standard and I'm not totally

3144
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:42,639
certain it's the best song on the record, because, like

3145
02:23:42,680 --> 02:23:43,239
you say, face of.

3146
02:23:43,239 --> 02:23:45,799
Speaker 2: An angel when that comes in and you go, that

3147
02:23:46,079 --> 02:23:51,319
is the same way the wind. It's just the same thing. Yeah.

3148
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:54,040
Speaker 3: The way it feels is like, again, I listened to

3149
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:57,040
a rush recently, but I had twenty one to twelve

3150
02:23:57,040 --> 02:23:59,600
one again as I as I want to do, and

3151
02:24:00,159 --> 02:24:02,559
that epic ens you know, we've assumed control, and you

3152
02:24:02,680 --> 02:24:04,600
just go like, there's nothing better than that in the world.

3153
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:06,479
And then the rifts of Passage to Bangkok comes in

3154
02:24:06,559 --> 02:24:08,959
and you go like I'm sticking around, like yeah, I

3155
02:24:08,959 --> 02:24:10,920
mean more, that's the way this far and like you said,

3156
02:24:11,159 --> 02:24:14,120
the Monty Python horse Hoo's thing, and that's setting up

3157
02:24:14,120 --> 02:24:15,639
the funky beat. And then when the rift comes in

3158
02:24:15,719 --> 02:24:18,239
and it's like a horse naiz like it's Robert Plant

3159
02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:22,040
or something like. It's like the horse is course up

3160
02:24:22,079 --> 02:24:24,079
in what a jam this is? And you go for

3161
02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:25,719
all the reference points we were saying, like this is

3162
02:24:25,799 --> 02:24:29,520
like nerdy you know, sort of like loser music. It's

3163
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,399
like this is like steely Dan Toto, dire Straits, like

3164
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,639
that sort of spectrum, which I don't know how you

3165
02:24:36,680 --> 02:24:38,879
can be immune to that style of music's charms. And

3166
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:41,879
this is one of the best songs in that style.

3167
02:24:42,280 --> 02:24:45,760
That we've ever talked about on this show. It's unbelievable.

3168
02:24:46,159 --> 02:24:48,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't overseell the chorus, but it's been in my

3169
02:24:48,360 --> 02:24:49,360
head for the last month.

3170
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:52,040
Speaker 2: You know, faerb An Angel with the like it's just.

3171
02:24:52,440 --> 02:24:58,040
Speaker 1: It's effortlessly understatedly sticky and cool, like epitome of nineteen

3172
02:24:58,079 --> 02:24:59,719
seventies sunglasses on.

3173
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3174
02:25:01,239 --> 02:25:02,760
Speaker 5: The first thing is I have a problem with so

3175
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:04,360
much that sort of stuff. I've never kind of got

3176
02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:05,319
along on a lot of it.

3177
02:25:05,399 --> 02:25:07,879
Speaker 4: But I'm like, I feel it. Maybe this is just

3178
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,520
me getting old. Maybe this is not in my face.

3179
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:11,239
I've got to have a steely Dan FaZe coming up

3180
02:25:11,319 --> 02:25:13,600
or something like that. But this song, because it is

3181
02:25:13,799 --> 02:25:19,760
so catchy and so like it's just like it's not cool,

3182
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:22,440
but it's so cool, like like I say, it's it's

3183
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:24,440
it would have been the coolest song you could hear

3184
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:26,079
in the seventies of the song Lsson all that shit

3185
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:29,000
like and I'm like, I'm in with it. And the

3186
02:25:29,079 --> 02:25:32,680
same can be said for like the Emissary, Like it

3187
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:37,000
is pop like rock, kind of immediate gratification but full

3188
02:25:37,079 --> 02:25:40,639
of these prog exts interestings that I'm like, I think

3189
02:25:40,719 --> 02:25:42,959
this is really quite again, it never feels like tired

3190
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:45,559
in the fargic that the guitars always have loads of

3191
02:25:45,559 --> 02:25:48,600
pep to the melodies and the guitars which keeps so listenable.

3192
02:25:49,239 --> 02:25:52,959
Speaker 5: And again the solo like the solos are all kind

3193
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:54,360
of like they.

3194
02:25:54,079 --> 02:25:56,360
Speaker 4: Propell the songs nicely, and I'm just just like, i

3195
02:25:56,479 --> 02:25:58,120
have to reconsider so many of my feelings.

3196
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:00,520
Speaker 5: I'm like a lot of these music. I'm having such

3197
02:26:00,559 --> 02:26:02,159
a good time with this album in the moment.

3198
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it captures a great thing of like Side

3199
02:26:06,079 --> 02:26:09,879
A and SIDEB give you different experiences while feeling part

3200
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,200
of the same world. Where the first track, the first

3201
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:15,159
side obviously it's not extreme metal, but at the first

3202
02:26:15,159 --> 02:26:17,440
side I would go if you liked absolutely elsewhere by

3203
02:26:17,479 --> 02:26:21,239
blowing cantation, Yeah, you should hear that song because it's,

3204
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:23,959
you know, a similar breadth of as we say, your

3205
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:27,879
twenty one minute wonderful, luscious prog rock epic. If you

3206
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:31,000
like the night Flight Orchestra, you should listen to side

3207
02:26:31,079 --> 02:26:34,600
B of this record because there's some of that standard

3208
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:38,799
of classy pop rock from that era. Songwriting and what

3209
02:26:38,920 --> 02:26:41,879
brilliant connective threads to pull in like both of those,

3210
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,600
you know, sides of the musical spectrum of what we

3211
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:49,879
talk about. The Ennissary is like immacular thin Lizzy Devil's Blood,

3212
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,799
Iron Maiden style twin guitars on this like running with

3213
02:26:52,879 --> 02:26:56,559
the devil pumpin rhythm section that still got room for

3214
02:26:56,639 --> 02:26:59,200
these like grand reverbi choral passages they have, and the

3215
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:02,040
singer just in jet this really wonderful earth eternality. He

3216
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:04,719
sounds like a wizard. It's brilliant. It really comes out

3217
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:07,319
in Bestaeus, which is a piano ballad, and the piano

3218
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:11,000
is so fucking old sounding. It sounds like it's from

3219
02:27:11,079 --> 02:27:13,879
eleven hundred a dy that piano, and I love that sound.

3220
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:16,120
Speaker 5: At this point, I was like, is.

3221
02:27:16,159 --> 02:27:18,360
Speaker 4: Best It's gonna be point where I tap out and like, nah,

3222
02:27:18,879 --> 02:27:22,159
they they've done the work like it's it's musical theater.

3223
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:25,879
Speaker 5: It's pure theater. It's so overblown, but there's so much

3224
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:27,280
drama and I'm just.

3225
02:27:27,319 --> 02:27:30,559
Speaker 4: Kind of like just so like charmed by Hallas at

3226
02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:33,840
this point that I'm like, yeah, go off king like yeah.

3227
02:27:35,319 --> 02:27:37,319
Speaker 1: And then the final song at the summit is this

3228
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:41,479
like wonderful classical guitar led ye oldie folk that when

3229
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:45,639
it hits full pace is full organ Parping Deep Purple

3230
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:51,479
album and how great is the collection of things that

3231
02:27:51,479 --> 02:27:53,520
we've just described across the second half of this record.

3232
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,959
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing is again, talk talk how

3233
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:00,600
like they understand why these these sorts of records work

3234
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:03,200
and why with some of them don't. And it's if

3235
02:28:03,239 --> 02:28:05,559
you have a big epic song that's obviously gonna overshadow

3236
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:07,200
everything else of the records, so you have to make

3237
02:28:07,239 --> 02:28:09,959
the other ones a good songs. But obviously like diverse,

3238
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:11,920
like you you look at metal and echoes is the

3239
02:28:11,959 --> 02:28:13,559
thing that leaps out. But you can also go, well,

3240
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:15,520
I know which one's fear less, I know which one's shameless,

3241
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:17,079
I know which one's sandrop like. They have different they

3242
02:28:17,159 --> 02:28:20,760
bring different flavors, and each of the songs on side

3243
02:28:20,799 --> 02:28:25,319
B of this record is totally distinct. There's no redundancy

3244
02:28:25,559 --> 02:28:27,040
in the programming. Where you know, we said all the

3245
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:29,000
abou facebook age of the Emissary, it sounds like sort

3246
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:32,440
of post Deo Rainbow like Fire of Unknown Origin Boyster

3247
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:36,360
cul It's just a bit more rocking than the record best.

3248
02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:38,399
Speaker 2: Just again, every classic prog record.

3249
02:28:38,719 --> 02:28:42,200
Speaker 3: Needs a daft overall little ballad, such a song that

3250
02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:46,280
reminds me of Martin Prince from The Simpsons and that song,

3251
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:48,319
and as soon as it came, I got we are

3252
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:49,239
ticking all the boxes.

3253
02:28:49,399 --> 02:28:50,239
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely loving this.

3254
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:52,280
Speaker 3: And then, like you say, when at the Summit comes in,

3255
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:55,079
which of the sort of these songs inside b is

3256
02:28:55,639 --> 02:28:59,440
you know, less straightforward and naturally coherent then the ones

3257
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:01,159
that doing next to it. It's a bit more off

3258
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:04,159
the wall. But it's a great crescendo to the record

3259
02:29:04,159 --> 02:29:06,319
because it has so much energy. And I said when

3260
02:29:06,319 --> 02:29:08,120
they almost come in, just they're still throwing fun ideas

3261
02:29:08,159 --> 02:29:10,719
as they're going out the door. The thing you said

3262
02:29:10,760 --> 02:29:13,920
earlier about Converge being comfortably the best alm of the

3263
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:15,559
year so far is absolutely true.

3264
02:29:16,239 --> 02:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Silver Medal. I've got to say it's allas and I am.

3265
02:29:21,719 --> 02:29:22,959
I'm head over heels for it.

3266
02:29:23,719 --> 02:29:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nerdy laying out how it sounds, but

3267
02:29:26,879 --> 02:29:31,239
if you appreciate attention to detail in production and in songcraft,

3268
02:29:31,479 --> 02:29:32,760
I think you just have to give this album in

3269
02:29:32,879 --> 02:29:34,920
order of respect. You know, if you want to hear

3270
02:29:35,399 --> 02:29:38,000
some classic prog rock from guys who are like absolutely

3271
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:41,520
on the top of their game right now. Instrumentally, compositionally,

3272
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:43,760
it's just beautifully done. You gotta get on it if

3273
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,159
you want to see him live as well. They've just

3274
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:48,440
been announced for Cosmic Vibration Festival in Sheffield for this

3275
02:29:48,559 --> 02:29:51,479
August or a bill with like Final Dosa play on

3276
02:29:51,559 --> 02:29:56,840
that festival. It's brilliant, So dive in to the prog

3277
02:29:56,879 --> 02:29:59,920
pool this month of all months, for sure. Hallas Panora

3278
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:03,319
is the name of that album. Finally, Sam, we've asked

3279
02:30:03,319 --> 02:30:05,959
a lot of you this month, so we've sandwiched all

3280
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,959
of that prog not only with Pony earlier, but finally,

3281
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:12,360
A brief blast from the hardcore world Killing Pace and

3282
02:30:12,719 --> 02:30:15,959
HCPM is our final album review this month. Apparently the

3283
02:30:16,159 --> 02:30:20,879
HCPM stands for hardcore Punk Metal, which is subjectively quite funny,

3284
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:22,680
but I guess it gives you a clue as to

3285
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:25,680
the genre crossover kind of message they're going for. Maybe

3286
02:30:25,959 --> 02:30:27,840
we name dropped this one last week, but it's the

3287
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:30,000
record from you know, the mosh world that seems to

3288
02:30:30,079 --> 02:30:32,079
have gone down well this past or a week or so.

3289
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:35,079
So wherever these guys come from, Uh, this one that.

3290
02:30:35,079 --> 02:30:35,920
Speaker 5: Has kind of just came out.

3291
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:37,559
Speaker 4: No, I've not like had loads of like back on

3292
02:30:37,639 --> 02:30:39,360
the band. I just kind of saw buzz around it.

3293
02:30:39,399 --> 02:30:41,079
It's on like you're on the buzzy hardcore labels and

3294
02:30:41,079 --> 02:30:41,760
the one's gonna.

3295
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:44,319
Speaker 5: Like killing Pace. There the hardest band around right now,

3296
02:30:44,600 --> 02:30:46,920
get on board. So I was like, great, it's.

3297
02:30:46,799 --> 02:30:48,760
Speaker 4: Time to shove those prog nerds into the locker and

3298
02:30:48,879 --> 02:30:52,440
steal their money for just like seventeen minutes of the

3299
02:30:52,719 --> 02:30:56,120
most horrid, evil, violent.

3300
02:30:55,879 --> 02:30:59,600
Speaker 5: Hardcore you can get. Like again, this album it does

3301
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:02,079
exactly a way it does kind of exactly. It's on

3302
02:31:02,120 --> 02:31:06,399
the tin there. There's nothing revolutionary or knew about this.

3303
02:31:06,559 --> 02:31:09,200
Speaker 4: But if you just want, like if you like Nails

3304
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:13,319
and any band that sounds hard and horrible, killing Pace,

3305
02:31:13,479 --> 02:31:16,799
do it in seventeen minutes and like again, like you

3306
02:31:16,879 --> 02:31:19,360
hit play it and you get those squawlling guitars before

3307
02:31:19,399 --> 02:31:21,479
that buzz or IF's and then you know what this

3308
02:31:21,559 --> 02:31:23,799
sound sounds like. And it just does that again and

3309
02:31:23,879 --> 02:31:26,639
again and again and that constant hit fucking rips.

3310
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you'll find if the hap

3311
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:32,760
CPM stood for Hardcore Prog Medal, then this would be

3312
02:31:32,799 --> 02:31:35,840
a superior album. But no, I was quite pleased to

3313
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:38,760
find that. You know, there's lots of stuff that's trend

3314
02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:40,959
in hardcore, you know, that is often quite sort of

3315
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:42,399
mid pace, beat downy type music.

3316
02:31:42,799 --> 02:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Hearing something like this that's got.

3317
02:31:44,479 --> 02:31:47,399
Speaker 1: So much pace in it really like, I don't know

3318
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:49,959
I needed that at the exact moment when it arrived,

3319
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,680
because this album is borderline power violence. Seems like the

3320
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,600
wrong word maybe, but because it doesn't sound like you know,

3321
02:31:56,040 --> 02:32:01,639
drop dead, but that sort of weekend Natcho's nail style waitupcre.

3322
02:32:00,719 --> 02:32:03,559
Speaker 5: And power violence in the kind of the hardcore approach.

3323
02:32:04,159 --> 02:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that card's super heavy, girthy, down tuned, but still

3324
02:32:09,959 --> 02:32:12,840
dealing in you know, short sharp shocks sort of power violence,

3325
02:32:12,879 --> 02:32:14,959
grindcore type stuff. There's more of that on this album

3326
02:32:14,959 --> 02:32:16,479
than I expected just from the kind of the word

3327
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:19,840
around it. And when that happened, I was fully in

3328
02:32:19,959 --> 02:32:22,639
my happy zone of like, ah, yeah, I know what

3329
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:24,639
this is. I'm down for that because this, I mean,

3330
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:27,239
they sound like a band who nails rocked their shit.

3331
02:32:27,399 --> 02:32:29,120
You know, it sounds like that. They sound like a

3332
02:32:29,159 --> 02:32:30,920
band who that band fell in their laps and they

3333
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:33,399
went right. Our musical path is you know, laid out

3334
02:32:33,399 --> 02:32:35,639
for us because stuff that is you know, kind of hardcore,

3335
02:32:35,959 --> 02:32:38,159
kind of metal, kind of power violence, all of that

3336
02:32:38,239 --> 02:32:38,559
at once.

3337
02:32:38,719 --> 02:32:39,440
Speaker 2: You know, as it says.

3338
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:43,120
Speaker 1: The title track first of all, is fucking flying. The

3339
02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:46,600
drums are absolutely clattering, but really well produced as well

3340
02:32:46,680 --> 02:32:49,360
to be explosive in the way that you know Unsilent

3341
02:32:49,440 --> 02:32:51,360
Death is, for example. I think that's a major reference

3342
02:32:51,399 --> 02:32:52,879
point for if you would get into this. Do you

3343
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:55,760
like that record, particularly when that song hits the mid

3344
02:32:55,879 --> 02:32:58,200
paced riff in the middle and it's the exact same

3345
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:02,000
register of like Skeleton Poppy doing his little dance as

3346
02:33:02,079 --> 02:33:05,120
that era of thing, and then for the last fifteen

3347
02:33:05,159 --> 02:33:07,719
seconds of it, they lock into like a pure double

3348
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:10,799
based roll and usher it in with a squealing dive bomb,

3349
02:33:11,079 --> 02:33:14,120
and it is, you know, a sub one minute thirty

3350
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:17,600
song that has three clear sections in it that each

3351
02:33:17,719 --> 02:33:19,680
then pops off into the next. And you know, I

3352
02:33:19,719 --> 02:33:22,639
don't think this is revolutionary or you know, even necessarily

3353
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:25,440
special an example, but it's just a good reminder of

3354
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:27,879
the fundamentals of how raging this shit can be. And

3355
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:29,840
you know, you put those tools in the right place

3356
02:33:29,879 --> 02:33:32,559
and the right order, you can very effectively destroy some stuff.

3357
02:33:32,760 --> 02:33:33,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I feel like.

3358
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,559
Speaker 4: That dive from so at the end of the first round,

3359
02:33:35,559 --> 02:33:37,200
I was like, yeah, cool, I've got everyone on this

3360
02:33:37,319 --> 02:33:39,840
album in the first and ninety seconds and then Digital

3361
02:33:39,879 --> 02:33:43,040
Reservation kind of like really frashed and you can feel

3362
02:33:43,079 --> 02:33:46,319
that like grind pace and aggression. The drums sort of

3363
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:49,520
like clattering about. The guitars can alternate between like just

3364
02:33:49,639 --> 02:33:51,959
in a really hard edge and then just like screaming

3365
02:33:52,079 --> 02:33:54,719
at you the beat down wash if at the end

3366
02:33:54,920 --> 02:33:58,959
it goes on like War Machine is so violent and intense,

3367
02:33:59,079 --> 02:34:02,200
like like only it doesn't give you any time to breathe.

3368
02:34:02,239 --> 02:34:04,879
It's so kind of like in your face and confrontational.

3369
02:34:05,559 --> 02:34:08,399
Like the vocals, there's no kind of like break on

3370
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:10,879
melody them. He's just vomiting that e barking it the

3371
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:13,879
entire time. But then again, you know end of war Machine,

3372
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:15,879
you groove at the end of that. So they do

3373
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:18,920
manage to like have distinct passages in these kind of

3374
02:34:18,959 --> 02:34:23,120
again ninety second crusty, grindy hardcore song.

3375
02:34:23,639 --> 02:34:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't even bother really writing notes

3376
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:28,159
for this one or anything. I just like stuck it on,

3377
02:34:28,639 --> 02:34:30,079
Like you say, as soon as that feedback comes in,

3378
02:34:30,120 --> 02:34:31,959
you got you. I don't don't need to write notes.

3379
02:34:31,959 --> 02:34:33,399
I don't think any of this is going to surprise me.

3380
02:34:33,799 --> 02:34:37,440
But as great as being surprised is being satisfied is

3381
02:34:37,799 --> 02:34:39,600
ultimately the name of the game. And putting this on

3382
02:34:40,159 --> 02:34:41,600
and first of all, I love that it come out

3383
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:43,879
on Monday. That just feels so fitting. It's just like

3384
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:46,959
Fridays are too upbeat. We need to come out of

3385
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:50,239
the moments at most rage and despair. It's the Garfield

3386
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:54,680
of hardcore albums. Put that on your fucking stick.

3387
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:58,879
Speaker 2: In fact, you know that's a perfect thing because it is.

3388
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:02,040
Speaker 3: It is a like Garfield, and like a Garfield Comics

3389
02:35:02,120 --> 02:35:08,920
is exactly the same, doesn't change, so perfect like it's yeah,

3390
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:10,760
it's this thing just it goes as hard as hell.

3391
02:35:10,879 --> 02:35:14,719
It's super loud, super down tuned, and Meetian must again

3392
02:35:14,840 --> 02:35:17,440
that thing you're saying of there is something about the

3393
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:20,520
sensation of something that's that heavy, also going that fast.

3394
02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:22,120
Speaker 2: It just it sounds like a killing machine.

3395
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:26,479
Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right, like there's it's hard to explain

3396
02:35:26,719 --> 02:35:30,000
precisely why some bands have the extra bit of pixie

3397
02:35:30,079 --> 02:35:31,760
dust and some don't wear you know, you put this.

3398
02:35:32,079 --> 02:35:34,959
It's not necessarily even a an aesthetic thing. It's just

3399
02:35:35,239 --> 02:35:38,360
something in the air. Like Unsilent Death is just an

3400
02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:41,360
eleven out of ten record, and this isn't, but that's

3401
02:35:41,479 --> 02:35:44,319
not that's an unfair thing to do. Like in terms

3402
02:35:44,319 --> 02:35:47,159
of like the sheer sensation of it, it's excellent and

3403
02:35:47,239 --> 02:35:48,680
there are, like you said, there are more than enough

3404
02:35:48,719 --> 02:35:51,719
memorable moments where you know, for a few months, if

3405
02:35:51,719 --> 02:35:54,079
I fancy something of this stripe, there's a good chance

3406
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:54,559
I go for this.

3407
02:35:55,559 --> 02:35:55,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3408
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:56,559
Speaker 2: The moment that I was.

3409
02:35:56,559 --> 02:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Sold on this album was before i'd actually listened to it.

3410
02:35:59,239 --> 02:36:02,319
They've got all the features of you know, vocalists listed

3411
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:04,079
in the track list. For some reason, this one's not

3412
02:36:04,159 --> 02:36:05,879
on the regular streaming list, but it was on their

3413
02:36:06,200 --> 02:36:08,239
on their band camp, I saw it listed as war

3414
02:36:08,360 --> 02:36:13,200
Machine featuring Antichrist. Siege Machine basically the hardest band on

3415
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:14,799
the planet right now, and I thought, damn if this

3416
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:16,600
is a hardcore band with their fingers in the war

3417
02:36:16,680 --> 02:36:18,440
metal pie and funnily a.

3418
02:36:18,440 --> 02:36:19,200
Speaker 2: Bit of that crossover.

3419
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:20,840
Speaker 1: As I've said in the past when talking about anti

3420
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:22,399
crities Machine, that I think they should and you know,

3421
02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:25,319
hardcore fans should look in that direction. Then that is

3422
02:36:25,399 --> 02:36:27,120
That's some credit as far as I'm concerned. And there's

3423
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:32,280
that similarly awesome, demonic vocal excessiveness where together the vocals

3424
02:36:32,799 --> 02:36:35,159
they're just barking together just far in the middle of

3425
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:38,319
it is fucking great. The drummer sounds like a human bicep.

3426
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:41,440
The beginning of Mangled State when it does just that

3427
02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:46,440
absolute like blunt force impact fling snippets of blasts around

3428
02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:51,120
until eventually it lands on that crust beat again like suffer.

3429
02:36:51,239 --> 02:36:53,680
The blast out of it is so like Antichrist siege

3430
02:36:53,719 --> 02:36:56,840
machine via h C. You know, just like carpet bombing

3431
02:36:56,920 --> 02:36:59,600
you great mosh call in afflicted, the burn it down

3432
02:36:59,639 --> 02:37:03,079
motherfucker in the middle, really primal and pulled into the

3433
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:06,200
gears as well, is one which comes close to that

3434
02:37:06,399 --> 02:37:10,600
nails level unstoppable force of just sending the fucking tanks

3435
02:37:10,680 --> 02:37:11,680
all together. You know.

3436
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:13,559
Speaker 2: That groove is fucking awesome.

3437
02:37:14,520 --> 02:37:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have that nails finger where like when they

3438
02:37:17,559 --> 02:37:22,639
do go slow and groovy, it is just oppressively heavy

3439
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:25,239
and and scary worgon Like they don't do it often

3440
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:26,360
because they're like a lot of the time it is

3441
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:29,360
just all pace, you know, like suffer forty seven seconds

3442
02:37:29,399 --> 02:37:30,680
and it just grinds.

3443
02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:33,440
Speaker 5: Mangled State is that again all pace.

3444
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:37,239
Speaker 4: Suppression kind of flips back and forth between like the

3445
02:37:37,319 --> 02:37:39,120
more kind of like violent tempos and then kind of

3446
02:37:39,159 --> 02:37:41,479
going a bit stompier and slow washing. But when they do,

3447
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:46,159
like say, commit to a dirgy kind of like riff,

3448
02:37:46,680 --> 02:37:49,920
it's so like you like, predation is.

3449
02:37:49,879 --> 02:37:52,879
Speaker 5: The one where like that is lumbering and oppressive and

3450
02:37:52,879 --> 02:37:53,760
it actually just kind.

3451
02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:56,200
Speaker 4: Of like build some moods kind of like almost like

3452
02:37:56,239 --> 02:37:58,639
the extended mo wash into it on the record, but

3453
02:37:58,760 --> 02:38:01,600
that like they are just so hard and nice and

3454
02:38:01,639 --> 02:38:04,479
when they do that that it is it keeps it

3455
02:38:04,559 --> 02:38:06,879
in the thing where that the eve when it slows down,

3456
02:38:07,159 --> 02:38:08,600
it doesn't lose any of the menace.

3457
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and it's got you know, knuckle dragon beatdowns,

3458
02:38:11,639 --> 02:38:13,440
but the way they bounce off of the fast parts

3459
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,000
often is what makes them compelling you And I'm gonna

3460
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:18,639
stress again. The production is really good, like every instrument

3461
02:38:18,799 --> 02:38:22,479
is perfectly tuned for just kill, crush, destroy, And it's

3462
02:38:22,600 --> 02:38:25,440
very funny that this album is shorter than the second

3463
02:38:25,559 --> 02:38:27,120
longest song on the Cryptic Shift.

3464
02:38:29,799 --> 02:38:31,879
Speaker 5: That's what you need you like again, like this thing,

3465
02:38:31,959 --> 02:38:33,840
it doesn't need to be longer than seventy minutes. This

3466
02:38:33,959 --> 02:38:36,239
is exactly as something it needs to be. And some

3467
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:42,600
bands less is more learn that lesson Yeah, lessift.

3468
02:38:41,879 --> 02:38:44,479
Speaker 1: Well it's the biggest ass kicking of any album this month,

3469
02:38:44,760 --> 02:38:46,799
and that's maybe what you need after all those flights

3470
02:38:46,840 --> 02:38:50,079
of fancy in space and in the castles and in

3471
02:38:50,239 --> 02:38:54,879
the forest. What a compelling, intriguing bunch of albums we've

3472
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:57,040
got this month. I was looking forward to diving into

3473
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:58,040
a bunch of those, and I've had a lot of

3474
02:38:58,079 --> 02:39:00,760
fun doing so let us know what you make of

3475
02:39:01,319 --> 02:39:04,280
you know, the albums from those titans like Converge and Mayhem,

3476
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:10,200
but also do dive into Worm and Halass and Killing

3477
02:39:10,280 --> 02:39:12,840
Pace and Pony and all of these bands as well,

3478
02:39:12,959 --> 02:39:15,000
and let us know what you think about those as well,

3479
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:18,000
because maybe you'll find your new favorite record. Cheers everybody

3480
02:39:18,120 --> 02:39:20,959
for being with us and joining us as we dive

3481
02:39:21,239 --> 02:39:25,319
through that bunch. We will be back next week here

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on the show. We will be back in the next

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week or so over on the Patreon as well, so

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stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: We'll be with you through all of that. Thank you everybody.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye.