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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday to you. I love the empower You seminars.
Speaker 1: They are amazing thing. And thanks always to Dan Regunlard
Speaker 1: to fram Usa originally a fram Usa for creating the
Speaker 1: concept of empower. You've been doing this for decade, about
Speaker 1: a decade, and it's just filled with all types of
Speaker 1: different topics, not always political. We learned about Woodrow Wilson,
Speaker 1: or you're going to learn about Woodrow Wilson tonight, but
Speaker 1: Thursday being at seven pm, you're going to hear about
Speaker 1: the Here from the foremost authority on John Lennon and
Speaker 1: the Beatles, Jude Sutherland Kessler, leading authority on John leven
Speaker 1: having spent the last thirty eight years researching and writing
Speaker 1: the first six books and an anticipated nine volume John
Speaker 1: Lennon series. Welcome to the program, Jude. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on this morning.
Speaker 2: Bryan, thank you so much. I cannot wait to be
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. The only thing that I like as much
Speaker 2: as the Beatles is the Bengals.
Speaker 3: Oh how about that?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we have a guy here, actually two guys
Speaker 2: here that went to LSU and we love them still.
Speaker 1: That's great, Well, you know, maybe you can come to
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and help us resolve the Bengals pay course stadium
Speaker 1: upgrade solution, because they're dealing with some financial realities that
Speaker 1: have seemed to me impossible to overcome. And one of
Speaker 1: the veiled threats from the owners is they're going to
Speaker 1: take their ball and run with it and go someplace else.
Speaker 1: So we're hoping the Bengals stay in town and we
Speaker 1: get all that resolved. But pivoting over, how did you
Speaker 1: become such a massive Beatles and more of John Lennon
Speaker 1: per first and foremost?
Speaker 3: But fan, what started all this for you?
Speaker 2: Well, it started actually before the Beatles even came to America.
Speaker 2: In December of nineteen sixty three. I was approached in
Speaker 2: elementary school right when I got off the bus by
Speaker 2: a group of girls who said to studious me, look,
Speaker 2: these are the Beatles. We know you don't clue in,
Speaker 2: but you need to look at this forty five picture
Speaker 2: and at recess you have to tell us which one
Speaker 2: you're falling in love with. What it's two hours away?
Speaker 2: And unfortunately I chose George Harrison the first day, and
Speaker 2: they were so disappointed they wouldn't tell me why. But
Speaker 2: they were very disappointed in me. So I went home
Speaker 2: and I did what I always do. I did research,
Speaker 2: and I called their big sisters and said, tell me
Speaker 2: about these Beatles, and I found out that John Lennon
Speaker 2: was considered the leader, the smart Beatle. And so I
Speaker 2: went back the next day and said, listen, I changed
Speaker 2: to my mind, it's John Lennon. And I think I
Speaker 2: was like nine years old and it's been John Lennon
Speaker 2: ever since.
Speaker 1: How about that, Well, your first pick was is my favorite,
Speaker 1: while my guitar gently Weeps is my absolute all time
Speaker 1: favorite Beatles song. So George Harrison fan, I am. But
Speaker 1: I mean start on in John Lennon's early days. I
Speaker 1: mean his youth was rather troubled from what I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what we're going to be talking about
Speaker 2: Thursday night. We are going to be looking at the
Speaker 2: birth of the Beatles and how this all got started,
Speaker 2: and how John's mother, in spite of many many tragedies
Speaker 2: that happened to him as a as a young boy
Speaker 2: and as a young teenager, told him that he had
Speaker 2: music in his bones and he was destined to become
Speaker 2: a great singer. And she did it because he was
Speaker 2: being swallowed up by tragedy, and of course, just a
Speaker 2: few laters, she herself was hitting killed by drug driver
Speaker 2: and she was taken away from him, and then his
Speaker 2: best friends to Sutcliffe was taken away from him. How
Speaker 2: John Lennon persevered and gave us the soundtrack of Our
Speaker 2: Lives is the greatest success story of all time?
Speaker 3: Really? How about that? It was interesting.
Speaker 1: I kind of observed sort of a parallel the Beatles
Speaker 1: before and after the breakup, kind of like Pink Floyd
Speaker 1: before and after. Some of their parts is wholly different
Speaker 1: than the individual artists themselves. You know, Lennon wrote and
Speaker 1: did solo work that was just completely different, and you
Speaker 1: see where that creative element in, you know, like Sergeant
Speaker 1: Pepper's and other of the they're sort of the front
Speaker 1: runners in musical experimentation, at least with him rock music.
Speaker 1: Roger Waters obviously the sort of John Lennon, like David Gilmore,
Speaker 1: more like Paul McCartney, more poppy, more traditional, non experimentation
Speaker 1: kind of music. Do you kind of feel that way
Speaker 1: the same way as I do in my observations?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it took really all four of them
Speaker 2: to do what they did because you need Paul's happy, positive,
Speaker 2: poppy sound, and he can get serious. I mean, you
Speaker 2: take Yesterday, I mean some of his songs are very
Speaker 2: very serious. And then you take John who is mainly
Speaker 2: known for being the rock and roller, but he can
Speaker 2: write songs like good Night and Julia beautiful ballads as well.
Speaker 2: And then George Harrison. I mean, the Beatles have a
Speaker 2: huge void without George Harrison. And they knew they needed
Speaker 2: Ringo or they would not have let their friend Pete
Speaker 2: Besco and brought Ringo in.
Speaker 3: It takes all four of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you're gonna have to explain that, because I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about the Beatles to know why they
Speaker 1: got rid of Pete best and favorite Ringo star Ringo
Speaker 1: my least favorite Beatle. I think kind of a guy,
Speaker 1: and I don't have really much respect for his drumming skills.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan of drummers, you know,
Speaker 1: like I like tools. Danny Carey and Neil Parrott from
Speaker 1: Rush was amazing, and they just maybe that sort of
Speaker 1: more modern drum style obviously developed over time in the
Speaker 1: area of rock and roll music. But what was with
Speaker 1: them getting rid of Pete best and favorite Ringo star.
Speaker 2: Well, Pete was a very good drummer and a heck
Speaker 2: of a nice guy. But Ringo was cool. He was
Speaker 2: John's ah, he was older, he had a silver streak
Speaker 2: in his hair, he had his own car, he had
Speaker 2: shiny suits, and he was the guy they all wanted
Speaker 2: to be the cool guy, and not only that, be
Speaker 2: a great sense of humor. And he ends up being
Speaker 2: the star of both of their films. So you need
Speaker 2: that personality to bring another element in not just the music,
Speaker 2: but a little bit of shining. Charisa as well, and
Speaker 2: Ringos applied that.
Speaker 1: Now do you talk about I mean, in your seminar
Speaker 1: on the Magical Tale of How the Beatles became a band,
Speaker 1: do you discuss the breakup and what led to that?
Speaker 1: Because I know everyone loves to blame Yoko Ona. I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering if there's any truth and credibility to that.
Speaker 2: Now Thursday Night, we're going to stop. After Brian Epstein
Speaker 2: becomes their manager, they're propelled towards success. We're going to
Speaker 2: be in those early early years. We're going to listen
Speaker 2: to some very primitive recordings that they did the first
Speaker 2: time that they recorded in nineteen fifty seven. Wow, and
Speaker 2: we're going to go, you know, through that rudimentary phase
Speaker 2: that led them to step off the cavern club boards
Speaker 2: and step onto the stage of the world. But I
Speaker 2: will say the real mystery is not why they broke up,
Speaker 2: but how in the world to alpha male, brilliant, talented
Speaker 2: big dogs like John and Paul stayed together as long
Speaker 2: as they did. That's the real miracle.
Speaker 1: What caused them to become just so amazing. I guess
Speaker 1: it wasn't overnight, since you mentioned they first recorded in
Speaker 1: the late fifties, but you know, by the early sixties
Speaker 1: they were a international phenomenon. On Ed Sullivan of course,
Speaker 1: I know their first appearance here was at Cincinnati Gardens.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was that nineteen sixty four or five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But how did they blow up?
Speaker 3: What was I mean?
Speaker 1: The music obviously was very appealing, and they were good
Speaker 1: looking kind of guys, and that there was an appeal there.
Speaker 1: But you know, back then, you know, music was often
Speaker 1: just word of mouth, you shared sort of records that
Speaker 1: you ran into. You know, some local DJ would pick
Speaker 1: up on an album and they would play it and
Speaker 1: then people would start asking them to play it again
Speaker 1: and that would create a phenomenon.
Speaker 3: How did it happen with the Beatles?
Speaker 2: You know? John Lennon said, if we knew the answer
Speaker 2: to that, we would be managers and have other I
Speaker 2: don't think they even knew, but I will tell you this,
Speaker 2: when they play for other auditions and they don't succeed
Speaker 2: until Brian Epstein steps into the picture and when he
Speaker 2: begins to polish and hone them, put them in the suits,
Speaker 2: teach them not to throw food at the audience or
Speaker 2: to swear on stage, and to bow from the waste
Speaker 2: that he gives them, that polish that they need, and
Speaker 2: the other ingredient. And this is so crucial to their success,
Speaker 2: is that every time I interview someone who attended a concert,
Speaker 2: whether it's in Cincinnati or in Chicago or wherever, they
Speaker 2: tell me the same thing. They looked right at me,
Speaker 2: they sang a song to me, They stared straight at me.
Speaker 2: Both men and women say the same thing. Somehow they
Speaker 2: had the ability to connect with an audience in ways
Speaker 2: that no one else could. It was almost.
Speaker 1: Magical that charisma came through. It's beyond more than the music.
Speaker 1: There's a connection with the audience and the artists themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, and a connection with each other.
Speaker 2: You watch them doing I'm Day on this the last
Speaker 2: song at Chase Stadium in nineteen sixty five. They are
Speaker 2: having the time of their lives together. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: joy is something we all need.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting observation and such a true point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been very disappointed by artists I've seen,
Speaker 1: and I've been just totally amazed and wowed by many,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think you're right. It's what you
Speaker 1: perceive on the stage and connecting with that that really
Speaker 1: can make or break any given show. One thing you
Speaker 1: mentioned them playing in New York as well as when
Speaker 1: they played here at Cincinnata Gardens, the rudimentary equipment. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody in the audience actually could
Speaker 1: hear the words they were singing or the music that
Speaker 1: they were playing. There were so many screams and shouts,
Speaker 1: which in and of itself was a wild phenomenon back then,
Speaker 1: this unrestrained exuberance that the fans, most notably the women
Speaker 1: in the audience, had right you know.
Speaker 2: At Chase Stadium. I've talked to a lot of people
Speaker 2: who said they could hear the music, and my husband
Speaker 2: and Howard discussing this tonight and he said, do you
Speaker 2: think they really could hear the music? I said what
Speaker 2: they could hear was yeah, that's hard. That's all. You
Speaker 2: could hear a hundred wants and there is no way
Speaker 2: with fifty five thousand, six hundred attendees screaming that anyone
Speaker 2: heard anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you confirm my suspicion on that one. Jud
Speaker 1: Kessler should be doing this seminar Thursday at seven pm.
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Speaker 1: That will be three hundred Great Oaks Drive, Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Hear her live. You gonna do any Q and A
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 2: Definitely, We're gonna do about an hour great great PowerPoint,
Speaker 2: great music, rare photos, and then we're gonna do Q
Speaker 2: and A after that. So I love for everyone to
Speaker 2: be there. Let us make this a whole Beatles party
Speaker 2: Thursday night.
Speaker 1: And put a smile on your face. Moving away from
Speaker 1: politics and thinking about something. It's a lot more fun
Speaker 1: than the troubles and cares a year have to deal
Speaker 1: with the day to day here. It's been a real
Speaker 1: pleasure talking with you today. I enjoyed the seminar and
Speaker 1: and have a good time doing it. It sounds to
Speaker 1: me like I'm certain that you will