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<v Speaker 1>Seven thirty, which you five k CD talk station. A

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Tuesday to you. I love the empower You seminars.

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<v Speaker 1>They are amazing thing. And thanks always to Dan Regunlard

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<v Speaker 1>to fram Usa originally a fram Usa for creating the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of empower. You've been doing this for decade, about

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<v Speaker 1>a decade, and it's just filled with all types of

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<v Speaker 1>different topics, not always political. We learned about Woodrow Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're going to learn about Woodrow Wilson tonight, but

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday being at seven pm, you're going to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>the Here from the foremost authority on John Lennon and

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<v Speaker 1>the Beatles, Jude Sutherland Kessler, leading authority on John leven

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<v Speaker 1>having spent the last thirty eight years researching and writing

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<v Speaker 1>the first six books and an anticipated nine volume John

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<v Speaker 1>Lennon series. Welcome to the program, Jude. It's a pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Bryan, thank you so much. I cannot wait to be

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati. The only thing that I like as much

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<v Speaker 2>as the Beatles is the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh how about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe we have a guy here, actually two guys

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<v Speaker 2>here that went to LSU and we love them still.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, Well, you know, maybe you can come to

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati and help us resolve the Bengals pay course stadium

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade solution, because they're dealing with some financial realities that

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<v Speaker 1>have seemed to me impossible to overcome. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the veiled threats from the owners is they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take their ball and run with it and go someplace else.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're hoping the Bengals stay in town and we

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<v Speaker 1>get all that resolved. But pivoting over, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>become such a massive Beatles and more of John Lennon

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<v Speaker 1>per first and foremost?

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<v Speaker 3>But fan, what started all this for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it started actually before the Beatles even came to America.

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<v Speaker 2>In December of nineteen sixty three. I was approached in

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<v Speaker 2>elementary school right when I got off the bus by

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<v Speaker 2>a group of girls who said to studious me, look,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the Beatles. We know you don't clue in,

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<v Speaker 2>but you need to look at this forty five picture

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<v Speaker 2>and at recess you have to tell us which one

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<v Speaker 2>you're falling in love with. What it's two hours away?

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately I chose George Harrison the first day, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were so disappointed they wouldn't tell me why. But

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<v Speaker 2>they were very disappointed in me. So I went home

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<v Speaker 2>and I did what I always do. I did research,

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<v Speaker 2>and I called their big sisters and said, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about these Beatles, and I found out that John Lennon

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<v Speaker 2>was considered the leader, the smart Beatle. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>went back the next day and said, listen, I changed

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<v Speaker 2>to my mind, it's John Lennon. And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>was like nine years old and it's been John Lennon

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<v Speaker 2>ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that, Well, your first pick was is my favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>while my guitar gently Weeps is my absolute all time

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Beatles song. So George Harrison fan, I am. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean start on in John Lennon's early days. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean his youth was rather troubled from what I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's what we're going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday night. We are going to be looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>birth of the Beatles and how this all got started,

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<v Speaker 2>and how John's mother, in spite of many many tragedies

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<v Speaker 2>that happened to him as a as a young boy

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<v Speaker 2>and as a young teenager, told him that he had

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<v Speaker 2>music in his bones and he was destined to become

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<v Speaker 2>a great singer. And she did it because he was

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<v Speaker 2>being swallowed up by tragedy, and of course, just a

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<v Speaker 2>few laters, she herself was hitting killed by drug driver

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<v Speaker 2>and she was taken away from him, and then his

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<v Speaker 2>best friends to Sutcliffe was taken away from him. How

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<v Speaker 2>John Lennon persevered and gave us the soundtrack of Our

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<v Speaker 2>Lives is the greatest success story of all time?

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<v Speaker 3>Really? How about that? It was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of observed sort of a parallel the Beatles

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<v Speaker 1>before and after the breakup, kind of like Pink Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>before and after. Some of their parts is wholly different

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<v Speaker 1>than the individual artists themselves. You know, Lennon wrote and

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<v Speaker 1>did solo work that was just completely different, and you

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<v Speaker 1>see where that creative element in, you know, like Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper's and other of the they're sort of the front

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<v Speaker 1>runners in musical experimentation, at least with him rock music.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Waters obviously the sort of John Lennon, like David Gilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>more like Paul McCartney, more poppy, more traditional, non experimentation

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<v Speaker 1>kind of music. Do you kind of feel that way

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<v Speaker 1>the same way as I do in my observations?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it took really all four of them

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<v Speaker 2>to do what they did because you need Paul's happy, positive,

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<v Speaker 2>poppy sound, and he can get serious. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>take Yesterday, I mean some of his songs are very

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<v Speaker 2>very serious. And then you take John who is mainly

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<v Speaker 2>known for being the rock and roller, but he can

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<v Speaker 2>write songs like good Night and Julia beautiful ballads as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And then George Harrison. I mean, the Beatles have a

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<v Speaker 2>huge void without George Harrison. And they knew they needed

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<v Speaker 2>Ringo or they would not have let their friend Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Besco and brought Ringo in.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes all four of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well you're gonna have to explain that, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know enough about the Beatles to know why they

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of Pete best and favorite Ringo star Ringo

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<v Speaker 1>my least favorite Beatle. I think kind of a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have really much respect for his drumming skills.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm a big fan of drummers, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I like tools. Danny Carey and Neil Parrott from

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<v Speaker 1>Rush was amazing, and they just maybe that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>more modern drum style obviously developed over time in the

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<v Speaker 1>area of rock and roll music. But what was with

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<v Speaker 1>them getting rid of Pete best and favorite Ringo star.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Pete was a very good drummer and a heck

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<v Speaker 2>of a nice guy. But Ringo was cool. He was

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<v Speaker 2>John's ah, he was older, he had a silver streak

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<v Speaker 2>in his hair, he had his own car, he had

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<v Speaker 2>shiny suits, and he was the guy they all wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be the cool guy, and not only that, be

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<v Speaker 2>a great sense of humor. And he ends up being

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<v Speaker 2>the star of both of their films. So you need

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<v Speaker 2>that personality to bring another element in not just the music,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little bit of shining. Charisa as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>Ringos applied that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now do you talk about I mean, in your seminar

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<v Speaker 1>on the Magical Tale of How the Beatles became a band,

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<v Speaker 1>do you discuss the breakup and what led to that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know everyone loves to blame Yoko Ona. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just wondering if there's any truth and credibility to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Thursday Night, we're going to stop. After Brian Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>becomes their manager, they're propelled towards success. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in those early early years. We're going to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to some very primitive recordings that they did the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that they recorded in nineteen fifty seven. Wow, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go, you know, through that rudimentary phase

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<v Speaker 2>that led them to step off the cavern club boards

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<v Speaker 2>and step onto the stage of the world. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say the real mystery is not why they broke up,

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<v Speaker 2>but how in the world to alpha male, brilliant, talented

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<v Speaker 2>big dogs like John and Paul stayed together as long

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<v Speaker 2>as they did. That's the real miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>What caused them to become just so amazing. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't overnight, since you mentioned they first recorded in

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<v Speaker 1>the late fifties, but you know, by the early sixties

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<v Speaker 1>they were a international phenomenon. On Ed Sullivan of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I know their first appearance here was at Cincinnati Gardens.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it was that nineteen sixty four or five. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But how did they blow up?

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<v Speaker 3>What was I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>The music obviously was very appealing, and they were good

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<v Speaker 1>looking kind of guys, and that there was an appeal there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, back then, you know, music was often

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<v Speaker 1>just word of mouth, you shared sort of records that

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<v Speaker 1>you ran into. You know, some local DJ would pick

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<v Speaker 1>up on an album and they would play it and

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<v Speaker 1>then people would start asking them to play it again

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<v Speaker 1>and that would create a phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>How did it happen with the Beatles?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? John Lennon said, if we knew the answer

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<v Speaker 2>to that, we would be managers and have other I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they even knew, but I will tell you this,

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<v Speaker 2>when they play for other auditions and they don't succeed

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<v Speaker 2>until Brian Epstein steps into the picture and when he

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<v Speaker 2>begins to polish and hone them, put them in the suits,

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<v Speaker 2>teach them not to throw food at the audience or

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<v Speaker 2>to swear on stage, and to bow from the waste

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<v Speaker 2>that he gives them, that polish that they need, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other ingredient. And this is so crucial to their success,

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<v Speaker 2>is that every time I interview someone who attended a concert,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's in Cincinnati or in Chicago or wherever, they

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<v Speaker 2>tell me the same thing. They looked right at me,

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<v Speaker 2>they sang a song to me, They stared straight at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Both men and women say the same thing. Somehow they

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<v Speaker 2>had the ability to connect with an audience in ways

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<v Speaker 2>that no one else could. It was almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Magical that charisma came through. It's beyond more than the music.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a connection with the audience and the artists themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is, and a connection with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>You watch them doing I'm Day on this the last

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<v Speaker 2>song at Chase Stadium in nineteen sixty five. They are

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<v Speaker 2>having the time of their lives together. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 2>joy is something we all need.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really interesting observation and such a true point.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been very disappointed by artists I've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been just totally amazed and wowed by many,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think you're right. It's what you

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<v Speaker 1>perceive on the stage and connecting with that that really

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<v Speaker 1>can make or break any given show. One thing you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned them playing in New York as well as when

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<v Speaker 1>they played here at Cincinnata Gardens, the rudimentary equipment. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that anybody in the audience actually could

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<v Speaker 1>hear the words they were singing or the music that

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<v Speaker 1>they were playing. There were so many screams and shouts,

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<v Speaker 1>which in and of itself was a wild phenomenon back then,

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<v Speaker 1>this unrestrained exuberance that the fans, most notably the women

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<v Speaker 1>in the audience, had right you know.

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<v Speaker 2>At Chase Stadium. I've talked to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who said they could hear the music, and my husband

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<v Speaker 2>and Howard discussing this tonight and he said, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think they really could hear the music? I said what

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<v Speaker 2>they could hear was yeah, that's hard. That's all. You

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<v Speaker 2>could hear a hundred wants and there is no way

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<v Speaker 2>with fifty five thousand, six hundred attendees screaming that anyone

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<v Speaker 2>heard anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well you confirm my suspicion on that one. Jud

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<v Speaker 1>Kessler should be doing this seminar Thursday at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Log in from the comforts in convenience of your own

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<v Speaker 1>home or show up in the Empower You Seminar Studios

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<v Speaker 1>That will be three hundred Great Oaks Drive, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 3>Hear her live. You gonna do any Q and A

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<v Speaker 3>at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, We're gonna do about an hour great great PowerPoint,

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<v Speaker 2>great music, rare photos, and then we're gonna do Q

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<v Speaker 2>and A after that. So I love for everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>be there. Let us make this a whole Beatles party

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 1>And put a smile on your face. Moving away from

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<v Speaker 1>politics and thinking about something. It's a lot more fun

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<v Speaker 1>than the troubles and cares a year have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the day to day here. It's been a real

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure talking with you today. I enjoyed the seminar and

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<v Speaker 1>and have a good time doing it. It sounds to

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<v Speaker 1>me like I'm certain that you will