Speaker 1: Seven oh six at fifty five garr C the talk station.
Speaker 1: Very happy Wednesday, so you try to make it happy anyway,
Speaker 1: inspight of Well, what I view as a rather disappointing
Speaker 1: performance last night by Donald Trump and Kamala Harris able
Speaker 1: to at least manage to not totally screw up. Now
Speaker 1: we're going to get the thoughts and impressions from the
Speaker 1: Ohio Republican Party Chairman, Alex Chiranta Fila, Welcome back, Alex.
Speaker 1: Always a real pleasure to have you on the fifty
Speaker 1: five KRSE Morning Show.
Speaker 2: Bryan, good morning, and privileged to be with you. And
Speaker 2: you know I'd be remiss if I didn't say it.
Speaker 2: Today is September eleventh, so let's take this the second
Speaker 2: here to remember that that day. Many of us remember
Speaker 2: that day very sadly. But anyway, No, it's good to
Speaker 2: be with you and happy to talk about a little
Speaker 2: bit about that debate last night.
Speaker 1: Well, what your takeaway, I obviously all morning I'm not
Speaker 1: sure you. I don't expect you to have listened to
Speaker 1: the program this morning. I viewed with the measure of disappointment.
Speaker 1: I really thought, you know, given all of the issues
Speaker 1: and where we are in this country and our debt,
Speaker 1: and our uh, the immigration problem, on and on and on.
Speaker 1: He is on the right side and the winning side
Speaker 1: of so many issues. And yet she managed to squeak
Speaker 1: by without totally screwing up. And he took the bait
Speaker 1: quite off and thrown at him. Bait went back to
Speaker 1: the stolen election. And you know, I could go on,
Speaker 1: but I want your reaction, and I want to hear
Speaker 1: what you have to say about it.
Speaker 2: Well, look, clearly, I'm biased to favorite President Trump and strongly.
Speaker 2: And you know what my thoughts are this and I've
Speaker 2: got I've got many of them, first of all. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of whining about the referees,
Speaker 2: you know when I watch a sporting event. So I
Speaker 2: don't love bashing the moderators, but you have to in
Speaker 2: this circumstances. This was the worst moderated debate I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Breitbart News does an excellent piece
Speaker 2: this morning about the seven times they fact checked Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: but they refused to fact check her on her multiple
Speaker 2: multiple lies, you know, saying that many police officers died
Speaker 2: on January sixth, approvable lie. Things like Donald Trump said
Speaker 2: there are many, you know, people on both sides of
Speaker 2: the issue that are good people. Meaning he was talking
Speaker 2: about white racist, he wasn't. He was talking about a
Speaker 2: healthy debate about monuments in our country. So you know,
Speaker 2: many lies told by her. Listen. I mean, let's let's
Speaker 2: go backward just for a second, Brian, and talk about
Speaker 2: the first debate that was the most consequential, consequential presidential
Speaker 2: debate in American history. Obviously, Joe Biden collapsed in that debate,
Speaker 2: but that collapse was made made, you know, partially available
Speaker 2: there because of Donald Trump's performance and how well he
Speaker 2: had a command of things. And she didn't look. I
Speaker 2: understand where people are coming from. Yesterday. They expected the cackling,
Speaker 2: unprepared Kamala Harris that we've all gotten used to seeing,
Speaker 2: and those of us who pay attention to it. So
Speaker 2: she outperformed expectations, you know, barely in my mind, but
Speaker 2: on substance, and she just didn't have the substance. Anybody
Speaker 2: watching that debate last night did not walk away saying, Wow,
Speaker 2: she has a real plan to curb inflation, or my gosh,
Speaker 2: she's got a real, honest to God plan to stop
Speaker 2: the flow at the southern border. No on style points.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll give her a modicum of credit, not
Speaker 2: a lot, but a little bit. She she certainly held
Speaker 2: her own on style alone. And you know, that's what
Speaker 2: she's been about. That's, frankly in a bigger topic is
Speaker 2: you know, the modern American political debate sometimes is around style.
Speaker 2: We watched Barack Obama win the presidency on what was
Speaker 2: deemed a cool factor on nothing to do with you know,
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this qualifications for the job. That
Speaker 2: we're kind of seeing the same thing here where she's
Speaker 2: just trying to win on style points. So you know, overall,
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of what she had to say
Speaker 2: was memorized. I thought the moderators were terrible. I thought
Speaker 2: she refused to answer questions. Yeah why, you know, I
Speaker 2: wish we were able to hold her feet to the
Speaker 2: fire more on some of those refusals. But I think
Speaker 2: a good set of moderators would have done a better
Speaker 2: job of helping us see that. So those are kind
Speaker 2: of my initial takeaways.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I guess I have to, you know,
Speaker 1: pivot over it and say, well, isn't that wasn't that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's job? Knowing full well the Dack is decked
Speaker 1: against him going in. All she needs to do is
Speaker 1: just get through it without totally screwing up. But she
Speaker 1: offered a lot of opportunities for him to go directly toward,
Speaker 1: you know, like what in the hell when you see
Speaker 1: opportunity economy, which she mentioned multiple times, Alex, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what that means. And isn't that a great
Speaker 1: pivot point? Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What the hell do you mean by opportunity economy? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he has an obligation to pivot back and
Speaker 1: do what the moderators aren't doing, which is point out
Speaker 1: that what she's saying is a bunch of fluff, nonsense,
Speaker 1: platitudes with no substance.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I thought he had done some of that.
Speaker 2: I really did. I felt like he especially towards the end,
Speaker 2: the middle of the end of the debate, I thought
Speaker 2: he did an excellent job. Really, I'm talking ultimately about
Speaker 2: the differences between the visions that he has and the
Speaker 2: vision that she has for the country. Look, I appreciate
Speaker 2: those some of the frustration that you're feeling. I've read
Speaker 2: a lot of this online. You know, she we those
Speaker 2: of us who know that Kamala Harris is kind of
Speaker 2: an empty suit expected to see more of that. And
Speaker 2: when we you know, when we weren't able to sort
Speaker 2: of have that happen because the moderators, you know, some
Speaker 2: frustration set in, and I appreciate that, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you this, and I there's actually some overnight
Speaker 2: pulling to a substantiate this. Nothing about this race has changed.
Speaker 2: So again from my perspective, here in Ohio, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: commands a big lead. This is a red state because
Speaker 2: the Democrats have left the mainstream of American politics. Much
Speaker 2: of what she tried to talk about never really did,
Speaker 2: is not in the mainstream of American politics. We believe
Speaker 2: in fracking, we believe in energy, we believe in secure
Speaker 2: southern borders. We believe in you know, strong law enforcement
Speaker 2: to protect us from the scourge of crime. All of
Speaker 2: these things continue to be popular in places like Ohio
Speaker 2: and in places like Pennsylvania. Look, she cannot run away
Speaker 2: from her record on fracking. She cannot run away from
Speaker 2: from the you know, porous Southern boarder that's now affecting
Speaker 2: every single city in America, not just the border cities.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a lot that came out of
Speaker 2: that debate on policy on policy, and you know, if
Speaker 2: you look at the style point piece, I appreciate where
Speaker 2: some people are this morning, but for me personally, I
Speaker 2: feel like Donald Trump held his zone on policy last night.
Speaker 1: And that's a fair assessment. I mean, when you go
Speaker 1: back and read the transcript, which I've got in front
Speaker 1: of me, it's like thirty single space eight and a
Speaker 1: half by eleven sheets of paper. When you read it,
Speaker 1: it comes across as though you're right, he did get
Speaker 1: some you know, good points in there, but she was
Speaker 1: given such a pass. And I just look at so
Speaker 1: many sort of missed opportunities, like, for example, and I've
Speaker 1: been stuck on this all morning, but you heard the
Speaker 1: top of the ron is they're making fun of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump for mentioning the dogs and cats thing. It was
Speaker 1: a much easier point and one that cannot be denied.
Speaker 1: That you got twenty thousand Haitian immigrants that have descended
Speaker 1: on Springfield, Ohio. I mean their own mayor complained to
Speaker 1: my orcus about and a letter that was sent out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Listen, we got a problem
Speaker 1: on our hands here.
Speaker 2: That's fact.
Speaker 1: Stick to that and say, look, look, this is an illustration.
Speaker 1: You see it in Chicago, you see it in New York,
Speaker 1: you see it on the southern border states. They're overwhelmed
Speaker 1: because of Kamala Harris's gross incompetence and refusal to secure
Speaker 1: and protect our southern borders. Boom and the point. But
Speaker 1: we went down to cat Road, well.
Speaker 2: And look, and I appreciate that this is actually And
Speaker 2: again you're going to think I'm spinning hard, and I
Speaker 2: really am not. I'm going to tell you something about
Speaker 2: President Trump that we've all witnessed over the last several years.
Speaker 2: He has a particular knack of simplifying things and getting
Speaker 2: directly to the point. By talking about cats and dogs
Speaker 2: and pets. He has us all talking about the greater
Speaker 2: issue of immigration, whether it's just a sexier talking point
Speaker 2: or a more persuasive way to get to the point.
Speaker 2: He has us talking about Haitian immigrants this morning because
Speaker 2: of what some people think is an outlandish statement. The
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is, though in his own way,
Speaker 2: he has us talking about it on the southern border.
Speaker 2: He's the guy who said build a wall, three simple
Speaker 2: words that moved the immigration debate into the forefront of
Speaker 2: the American political psyche in the same way. He is
Speaker 2: talking about these pets in a way that some of
Speaker 2: us might be like, well, mister President, you know, get
Speaker 2: to the point. Well, but listen, he has generally the
Speaker 2: American people saying, what the heck's he talking about? And
Speaker 2: when they look at what he's talking about, is it
Speaker 2: relates to pets and cats and dogs, et cetera, they
Speaker 2: will find out. And they're finding out that we have
Speaker 2: twenty thousand immigrants descending on a town of sixty thousand
Speaker 2: people in beautiful Clerk County, sprink to o Io at
Speaker 2: place I've been multiple times, including with Bernie Marino. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you what's happening. There is a travesty and
Speaker 2: the fact that we can talk about it is again
Speaker 2: in my own way, Brian, I really believe a little
Speaker 2: bit of the brilliance of Donald Trump. He has us
Speaker 2: talking about Springfield in a way we work, and he
Speaker 2: did it by talking about your pets.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I hear you, And is it because maybe
Speaker 1: my expectations perhaps are a little too or because I
Speaker 1: know so much about it, because this is what I
Speaker 1: do for a living every single day, pouring through the
Speaker 1: news and every afternoon pouring through the news. I know
Speaker 1: all the details. I know what the facts are, and
Speaker 1: I maybe presume that everybody knows that already. So you're
Speaker 1: giving Trump credit for boiling things down to an easily
Speaker 1: digestible sound bite that's going to cause people to talk
Speaker 1: about it. That's the strategy, that is what he is about.
Speaker 1: So you're giving him credit along those lines.
Speaker 2: Well, I am, And again I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the things that he does well. And Brian, you know
Speaker 2: what you just said. And I'm getting a little deep
Speaker 2: here this morning, but what you just said is what
Speaker 2: we struggle with in the political business, so to speak,
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, and that is always so in
Speaker 2: our cocoon and so in our echo chamber that we're
Speaker 2: not thinking about what the average citizen says. You know,
Speaker 2: I routinely say to political candidates, walk into an olive
Speaker 2: garden on a Saturday at seven o'clock and grab somebody
Speaker 2: out of a booth, pull them outside, and ask them
Speaker 2: what they know about politics, because that's the person that
Speaker 2: we're trying to each Okay, I tick Olive garden because
Speaker 2: you know it's got a big old you know, there's
Speaker 2: people there from every walk of life, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: I mean that average citizen, not people who are tuned in,
Speaker 2: you know, every single day to talk radio or follow
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, et cetera. I'm talking about regular
Speaker 2: people that are just living their lives and they're if
Speaker 2: they're talking this morning about cats at Springfield at Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 2: they're going to learn about the Haitian migration crisis that
Speaker 2: has affected our state.
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with the Ohio Republican Party Chairman Alex TROWNIFILO
Speaker 1: walking through the debate topics and criticisms and comments and observations.
Speaker 1: There was a suggestion from the Harris camp, Alex that
Speaker 1: they might want to do a second debate. Do you
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen? I really don't. Her strategy
Speaker 1: of hiding and again last night not even providing much
Speaker 1: by way of specific information. Again, I go to the
Speaker 1: opportunity economy and not knowing what the hell that means.
Speaker 1: But she opened with it and ended with it and
Speaker 1: didn't provide any details on at least not many. But
Speaker 1: you think she's going to like go back into hiding
Speaker 1: and not entertain a more substantive pressing press, assuming they're
Speaker 1: even out there and willing to engage in a more
Speaker 1: substantive conversation with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of two questions there is. You know, First
Speaker 2: of all, I think you know that I have no
Speaker 2: idea internally whether I'm not connected to the Trump campaign
Speaker 2: in any official capacity, So I can't tell you whether or
Speaker 2: not there would or wouldn't be a second debate, just
Speaker 2: to be clear.
Speaker 1: To cover myself there sure no no take.
Speaker 2: I mean the one thing he could, yes, thank you,
Speaker 2: but I you know, I here's here's the thing about this.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has shown a total desire to go into
Speaker 2: the belly of the beast. I mean, you go onto
Speaker 2: ABC News, a place that's completely horrifically biased against them,
Speaker 2: and put up with those terrible moderators, you know, fact
Speaker 2: checked over and over when she didn't get fact checked once,
Speaker 2: you know it just kind of shows you the kind
Speaker 2: of leader and the kind of president he is. He's
Speaker 2: gone into every venue, friendly or unfriendly, and answered questions
Speaker 2: for the American people. So would it surprise me if
Speaker 2: he agreed to another debate. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Speaker 2: You know. She, on the other hand, has has been
Speaker 2: carefully scripted. She locked herself away for five days to
Speaker 2: prepare to deliver those zinger sound bites that she, you know,
Speaker 2: thought she did such a good job at doing last night. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I honestly don't know if there'd be another debate.
Speaker 2: Here's what I know, Brian, I don't think that last
Speaker 2: night ultimately changed anything. I think a lot of us thought, well,
Speaker 2: let's have a knockout punch to Kamala Harris. You know
Speaker 2: that probably didn't happen last night. There was an overnight
Speaker 2: poll that I asked to share on my Twitter that
Speaker 2: kind of said the same thing, which is, people's minds
Speaker 2: are kind of where they are, and look, if these
Speaker 2: polls are even going into election day, we're going to win.
Speaker 2: President Trump will win. He under he outperformed the polls
Speaker 2: almost every time. And the fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: the American people are smarter than we give them credit for. Right,
Speaker 2: one debate performance or one debate overall is not going
Speaker 2: to change this race for anyone who's actually looking at
Speaker 2: the records of the past four years compared to the
Speaker 2: records of the four years record four years before that
Speaker 2: under Donald Trump. So I'm not sure a whole lot
Speaker 2: of mind's got changed. It's something to talk about this morning.
Speaker 2: But the American people are smart. They're going to make
Speaker 2: a decision about whether they're better off today, you know,
Speaker 2: than they were four years ago. And on that question
Speaker 2: we went.
Speaker 1: Big, okay, And at that point you and I agree completely.
Speaker 1: I am firmly committed to that that, yes, the American
Speaker 1: people are smart enough to know because they go grocery
Speaker 1: shopping every week, they have to pay their energy bill
Speaker 1: every week, they have to fill their gas tank up
Speaker 1: probably every week. So yes, we are in a much
Speaker 1: worse place now than we were four years ago. And
Speaker 1: of course the immigration situation, I don't think that's gone
Speaker 1: underneath anybody's radar, to be quite honest with you, It's
Speaker 1: just been a national, constant, constant problem for cities both
Speaker 1: blue and red. So those are you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of great points that he's got in his favor. And
Speaker 1: when it comes down to that polling, what did your
Speaker 1: overnight polling reflect? And I guess I'm kind of curious
Speaker 1: to know how you would get sort of in quote
Speaker 1: unquote instant poll like that, Alex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the poll I just reap by sort
Speaker 2: of republished on my Twitter was from the Trafalgar Group,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, a nationally recognized polling firm. And look,
Speaker 2: we could do an entire show on polling. We won't.
Speaker 2: So polling is sometimes accurate, sometimes not the first snapshot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So the Trafalgar Group is a nationally known group. We've
Speaker 2: we've actually used them here in Ohio account a few
Speaker 2: things and anyway, but basically, the poll said that they
Speaker 2: asked people before and after the debate where do you stand?
Speaker 2: And nothing changed? You know, that's the basic takeaway from
Speaker 2: that pole and I suspect that's ultimately how this works.
Speaker 2: This was not you know, look, we saw in the
Speaker 2: last debate what a disastrous debate looks like and with
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden, and we saw his presidency end in
Speaker 2: one debate that was not going to happen here, And
Speaker 2: nor did I predict you know that one side or
Speaker 2: the other would deliver a knockout blow. That was that
Speaker 2: was a lot of us on our side really wanted that.
Speaker 2: You know, we thought, we know that Kamala Harris is
Speaker 2: a lightweight, not up to this job. And you know
Speaker 2: the facts bear that out, not just one you know,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty five minutes scripted, but anyway, you know
Speaker 2: that was not going to happen and did not happen
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: Well and you know when as you mentioned that, and
Speaker 1: I've given this some thought about the Biden Trump debate
Speaker 1: and what ended his political career, I really think that
Speaker 1: they sent him out there for that express purpose. Biden,
Speaker 1: they let him get they crucified him. I think they
Speaker 1: intentionally let him go out there and monumentally screw up,
Speaker 1: knowing full well that was going to happen, so they
Speaker 1: could get him out of the race.
Speaker 2: The way the Democratic Party has treated, you know, one
Speaker 2: of their fifty years stalwarts and Joe Biden is actually
Speaker 2: all you need to know about the Democratic Party. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at our party, you know, we we
Speaker 2: have lifted up and celebrated our leaders for a long time,
Speaker 2: from Ronald reag and cleared it. You know when we
Speaker 2: buried President and President of first President Bush, you know
Speaker 2: we lift up our leaders. The Democrats have thrown to
Speaker 2: Joe Biden overboard in the most ignominious fashion. You even
Speaker 2: saw Kamala Harris throw Joe Biden over the over the
Speaker 2: rails last night. It was ugly and this is how
Speaker 2: they act. And anyway, it none of it surprises me
Speaker 2: about the Democrats at this point.
Speaker 1: Read Animal Farm and recall the character of Boxer, who
Speaker 1: is basically Joe Biden. He used up his political life
Speaker 1: and they set him off to the glue factory. Thanks
Speaker 1: for your service, Alex Chrautafilo. Thank you for appearing on
Speaker 1: the morning show. It's always wonderful having you on the
Speaker 1: show and offering your your thoughtful insights and comments. I'll
Speaker 1: look forward to talking with you again and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we will before the election. Always a privileged Brian. Have
Speaker 1: a great day you too, sir. Seven twenty six fifty
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