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your support. So, the North Carolina Senate passes a bill,
according to the w r A L headline, passes a
bill targeting gender public school discussions. It was actually it
was a bill to you know, address women and minor
exploitation online crack down on some of these the sextortion
scams that people are doing against a lot of young boys.
Actually they'll meet them in gaming chat rooms and such
and the little the like if you're playing a multiplayer
online game with other people, they pose as as young
kids and then they get them to send they you know,
they take to a private chat they're like, oh, send
me some picks and whatever, and then they get the
kid to do, you know, send a picture of a
you know them naked or something, and then they say,
all right, I'm going to send this to everybody. If
you don't send me money, I'm going to share it online.
I'm gonna do all this. I'm gonna ruin your life.
And this is an attempt to crack down on that behavior.
It's also an attempt to crack down on like human
trafficking that is occurring on these websites, the porn websites
and stuff. You know, sets criteria for you know, written
consent and age verification of all the people in the videos,
and you know, if anybody complains they want their stuff
taken down, you have to comply within seventy two hours.
They're ten thousand dollars a day fines attached to stuff.
So it's an attempt to get at that. And that
was the original bill that came out of the House,
that was unanimous in the House, went to the Senate,
and then the Senate added several provisions. I went over
them in the last hour. Definitions of male and female,
boy and girl, man and woman. And this, of course
now has got the Democrats outraged. The bars state prisons
from using state taxpayer funds to pay for sex reassignment surgery.
For inmates, their identification or the ID documentation stuff. I
did mention this last hour. Let me go ahead and
try to find it here in the bill. It's cause
of action for malpractice. You get shelby. So a ten
year clock starts running if you want to sue if
you went you know, through surgeries, transition surgeries and stuff,
and you want to sue because you feel you were harmed.
The clock runs for ten years, and it starts from
the time of discovery by the injured party of both
the injury and the causal relationship between the treatment and
the injury. Okay, so ten years. And my reading of
that is it's not simply when the surgery occurred. If
you then figure out five years after the surgery occurred,
or let me say, eleven years after the surgery occurred,
that now you're like, whoa this, I should never have
had this done. I think the clock would start running
at that point, from the moment you realize that there's
a causal relationship between the treatment and the injury. Wil
simply said it was after the treatment or the surgery,
and I don't think that's the case. My reading of
the legislation and a medical professional or entity may not
seek a contractual waiver of this liability, so you cannot
wave this away. You can be held civilly liable for this.
I'm looking for the part about the here it is.
It's the last section. When the sex of a person
is changed on an amended or new birth certificate issued,
the state registrar shall attach the new certificate to the
certificate of birth then on file, and shall preserve both
certificates as a multi page document. The state Registrar shall
forward a copy of the new certificate to the Register
of Deeds of the county of birth. The Register of
Deeds of that county of birth shall attach the new
certificate to the copy of the certificate of birth that's
on file. The Register of Deeds shall preserve both certificates
as a multi page document. And thereafter, when a certified
copy of the certificate of birth of the person is shoot,
it shall be a copy of the multi page document. Okay,
So it's saying if somebody has a sex change operation,
they now you know, I'm living my life as the
alternate sex and I want a new birth certificate. Or
I came from a state that issued me a new
birth certificate. Your file is going to have two birth certificates,
and I'm fine with that. Unlike the WRAL story where
it says require transgender North Carolinians to use their original
birth certificate and official transactions. I don't did I read
anything that said that, so I don't really know. I mean,
maybe they're just ripping off of the Democrat press release
on that. I'm not really sure. Okay, So that's what
the Senate added. They added a bunch of these provisions.
There's some school library related stuff too. So Democrats are
all outraged about this because they wanted to vote for
the anti sex store legislation, as their colleagues over in
the House did, but now they're not going to be
able to because they're going to be seen as anti
trans right and they can't do that. But they can't
say no. They don't want to vote no either because
if they vote no, then they could be accused of
being anti sextortion, like, oh, you're not protecting the kids
from sextortion, right, Oh, what to do? Yes, that's what
happens when you run so far out that you're you're,
you know, way out of the boundaries of the of
the norm, and you're afraid of being punished because your
base is way out there beyond the boundaries of the norm.
Here is Senator Sophia Chitlick. That's her name. She's from
Durham and she is a Democrat.
Speaker 2: My Democratic colleagues and I remain focused on protecting women
and girls along with many of you, which is why
we actually filed dozens of bills this year.
Speaker 1: What's a woman or a girl? You don't want those definitions,
but yet you claim to be see because they will
say a woman and a girl is also a boy
who identifies as a girl. So we're protecting that person too,
that boy, but we're also protecting women and girls because
that boy is also a girl. See, makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: To do just that.
Speaker 2: None of those bills involved denying trans, intersex and non
binary people the ability to live with dignity.
Speaker 1: This bill doesn't do that either. There's nothing in here
that undignifies anybody. There isn't. But this is all the
Democrats have, are these empty hollow slogans.
Speaker 2: Because that is inherently in conflict with the goal of
protecting all women. Unfortunately, again, none of these bills made
it out of committee. The good news is that it's
not too late to tackle the sexual exploitation of women
and girls, and of course of young men as well.
We have a great process to do that, and a
lot of people in this room who again care deeply about.
Speaker 1: Women and girls, but we just can't define what those are.
This is the insanity, right that you end up when
you start promoting insane vocabulary changes, when you adopt insane ideology,
and then you try to argue, you can't argue from
a logical, sane perspective. It's not working. And it's a
point that was not lost on the Republicans in that
chamber either. Here's the part about the schools. There are
a couple things. Local boards of education shall adopt policies
that do all of the following. Provide ongoing public access
through a searchable web based catalog to the titles of
any library books available at each school within that school
administrative unit. Each school shall display its catalog on the
home page of its website. Okay, so you'll be able
to see every book that libraries are stocking on the
shelves at your kid's school, and the district will have
a list of all the books that are available in
all schools. Also, the district shall allow a parent or
guardian of a student to identify any library book that
may not be borrowed by the student. A student shall
not be permitted to borrow any library books identified by
the student's parent or guardian pursu into the subdivision. So,
if I, as a parent, do not want my kid
reading a particular book, I will tell the library, don't
give my kid that book, do not let my kid
check that book out, and then the school library must
comply with that. And this is also an outrage to
the Democrats. You'll hear some of their arguments, and they
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more transparent. Another provision of this bill it would excuse
students with religious objections to Local boards of education shall
adopt policies to allow a student or the student's parent
or guardian to request that the student be excused from
specific classroom discussions, activities, or assigned readings that the student, parent,
or guardian beliefs would impose a substantial burden on the
student's religious beliefs or invade the student's privacy by calling
attention to the student's religion. To the extent practicable, the
local board of education shall provide advanced notice to students, parents,
and guardians of the discussions, activities, or assigned readings. If
a student is excused from a classroom in discussion activity
or assigned reading, the school shall provide the student with
an alternative activity or assignment aligned with the standard course
of study. See again, this is all in reaction to
the left's constant push of queer theory, critical race theory, right,
like all of these leftist neo Marxist Graham Sheean long
March through the institution crap. And so this is why
the legislature is doing this stuff. It's to rain you in.
You guys are supposed to be doing like the most basic,
bland like lowest common denominator type of stuff in the schools,
like teaching people how to read. But no, you use
these as playgrounds for your activism. And so now, yes,
here's the reaction. This is the HB two reaction to
you guys going radical in the city of Charlotte with
your bathroom ortnets. Right, that's how we get here. Also,
you're not allowed to have students of opposite sex share
sleeping quarters when you're on a school trip. Not allowed
to do that unless it's like your sibling, if it's
your brother or sister or whatever. Then you are allowed
to do that, but if it's not your sibling, you
don't get to assign the hotel rooms on the overnight trips.
So all of this is obviously outrageous to Democrats here.
Senator Greg Meyer, Democrat from Orange County, he opposed the
bill because the North caro because of the id requirements
on these sex identification.
Speaker 3: I think that one thing we can all agree on
is that we want every North Carolinian, no matter who
they are, to be able to have a safe place
to live, a job that they can support their family,
to be able to travel freely, all things that require
a form of identification. And when we say that we
want all North Carolinians to be able to do that,
that means that we want transgender or intersexual North Carolinians
to have the same ability to do that as everyone
else they do. Other than that the ability to have
those freedoms, most trans folks just want to be left
alone by us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that anymore. Greg, I
don't and I'm not so sure about that. When you're
trying to force everybody to say certain things, do certain things,
act certain ways, right, when you're like I'm going to
win all of your medals and trophies and scholarships because
I'm born a male and your born female. But I'm
going to identify as a female, and I'm going to
compete against you in your sports and take all of
your scholarship money. That I'm not so sure that that's
just you wanting to be left alone, you know, a
little bit of the difference. And I say that as
as like a tea party guy, lowercase libertarian, very much
would like to be left alone. So it's always interesting
to hear Democrats talking about respecting people who want to
be left alone, because they literally do not do that
in anything else.
Speaker 3: By everybody else. This bill makes it harder for them
to pursue the freedoms that all of us enjoy and
all of us, I think, believe that everyone should have.
And so i'd encourage you to vote against this bill
given the way that it would restrict freedom for those
members of the North Carolina community. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't restrict anybody's freedom, So here is Terrence Everett,
Democrat from Wait County, said the law does not define
what a religious objection is, which would allow students to
be excused from classroom discussions that the parent believes would
be a quote substantial burden. So it's not just a
trifling right. It's a substantial burden. But the law doesn't
define it. So oh my gosh, Like, what what else
could happen? What kind of abuses here could have been?
Speaker 4: There's no mainstream religion that teaches that exposure to an
idea or learning is somehow a burden on your faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that either, dude. There's
one particular religion mainstream that comes to the top of
my mind where they're not too cool with education, particularly
for women, which I can define for you. It's in
the bill here.
Speaker 4: Now, Christianity, not Judaism, Islam, well out my God, not Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism,
or really every single one of those religions prizes education.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it doesn't. Not Islam, dude, particularly as it's
practiced in like I don't know most of the Muslim world. Okay,
maybe not most half, let's say half, how about the
Middle East? That's what I mean. The absurdity of these arguments,
this is Western conceit, this idea that oh they think
just like us. There are a lot of people that don't. Man,
they really don't, and learning.
Speaker 4: That language does not reflect an actual theological concern, but
rather a political strategy. It's not about protecting faith. No
religion actually needs to be protected from education. So instead
of supporting parents and teaching our kids, schools has now
created an opt out bureaucracy based on fear. As a
public school parent, I just want my kids to be
able to go to school and learn.
Speaker 1: What you want them to learn. How about this, What
if they were teaching the kids that homosexuality was a sin?
Would you object to that? Of course you would, right,
of course you would. Well what about the people who
think it is a sin and they're being taught their
kids are being taught the opposite. Oh, we see, that's
because we are right, thinks the Democrat. That's what I mean.
Stop dealing with this stuff, Stop putting it into the curriculum,
Stop trying to enforce these new ways of thinking onto
everybody else's kids. If you stop that, you don't see
these reactions.
Speaker 4: Without constant interruption from other people's political agendas. And if
along the way my kids learn that there are gay
people in the world, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Ah see, there you go. Oh, I'm just learning. My
kids are just learning that there are gay people in
the world. That's all. This is doing nothing more.
Speaker 4: I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but all of
our kids and all of our grandkids are going to
figure that out eventually. And when they do, I hope
they have the education that sets them up for something
more in life than just spending their time attacking other
people's kids.
Speaker 1: What a what a straw man.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: As much as the far right would like to talk
about public schools pushing political agendas, this bill is a
political agenda.
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State Senator from or representing Granville, and wait County. He
is a Democrat, and he also opposed the newly added
provision that would create a searchable internet database for school
library books.
Speaker 4: Didn't like it, And obviously there are problems. Relying simply
on titles of books says nothing about character development, how
they deal with difficult issues, and what the student actually
takes away from the book.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, dude, it's because there are books that
we know of that you guys keep putting on the
shelves in K through twelve schools and parents have objected
to those books. You cannot even read the material at
a school board meeting without being shut down or escorted
out by law enforce for vulgarity, profanity, lewdness. Right, So, like, oh,
don't tell me you can't judge a book by its cover.
I don't need to know what's in the book because
I know the title of the book, and I've read
the research from the people who have read the book,
and they say this is inappropriate, and they'll show me
some pictures of what's in the book, and no, that's inappropriate.
Age appropriate material is what we're talking about. But you
don't want parents to know the books on the shelves
of their own kids' schools. You want to blind parents
to what their kids are learning. That's the point. It
is indoctrination. It is getting them comfortable with ideas, making
them doubt things about themselves, being told this is totally
normal when it hasn't been, but you want it to be.
Give me the generation. I will give you the revolution.
Speaker 4: And it turns teachers and librarians into compliance officers. And
we're turning parenting into essentially a search filter. No, which
is how you use Amazon.
Speaker 1: So do parents, by the way, do parents do search
filters for the movies and the shows that their children watch.
If I'm a parent and I take my kid to
a bookstore to buy books, do I apply any kind
of a filter at that point of sale? Of course
I do. Of course parents do that, But you are
trying to blind them.
Speaker 4: It's not how you raise a kid. Yeah, commerce there
are a group I think Moms for.
Speaker 1: Liberty, oh Boogodie.
Speaker 4: Yelling about you know, warning us to know what our
kids are reading. I do appreciate the advice. I know
what my kids are reading because I talk to my kids.
I don't rely on the school to provide me. Cliff
notes on parenting to know what's going on in their lives.
We have so little time with our kids. It is
so finite where we get to find out what's going
on in their lives. We should not be passing that
off to schools or to legislators. And if your kids
aren't talking to you, maybe they're not ready, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: But don't worry. We've got some blue hair gender queer
expert at the school. They'll talk to your kid. They'll
get nice and cozy with your kid, because your kid
may not want to talk to you because you're not ready,
or maybe they're not ready. But I'm a good parent
because I know everything my kid is reading. Do you
do you know every website your kid's going to, every
TikTok video they watch? Do you know all of that? Really,
even the best parents have a hard time tracking all
of this stuff. But you can catch the underlying tone,
which is I'm a better parent than you. And this
is really an effort to empower moms for liberty. Those
monsters who just want to know what's being given to
their kids. Maybe they don't think you're ready.
Speaker 4: Either way, Parental rights, just like every other right, comes
with responsibility. And it's a responsibility that can't be outsourced
to a search engine or to a media specialist.
Speaker 1: And that's actually not what's happening here at all. It
is putting the responsibility on the parent because they're saying,
here are all the books, and then it's up to
the parent to look at the list of books and
to say I don't want my kid reading those books,
or to say I don't have any problem with my
kid reading those See, he's got it exactly backwards. But again,
I sympathize with the left and trying to argue this
stuff because it's completely illogical and irrational to make the arguments.
I would have a very difficult time making these kinds
of arguments because they are so stupid. Lisa Grafstein. Oh,
by the way, there is one other thing here. What
if your kid doesn't tell you? What if your kid
is hiding stuff from you? Right? What then? How is
a parent supposed to know this stuff? Oh, don't worry.
To folks like Terrence Everett, that's okay. Also right, it's
okay to keep stuff from your parents. You should keep
secrets from your parents about this kind of stuff. And
that's actually not good parental advice at all. But he's
assuming he knows everything that his kids are doing. That's
quite an assumption. And what I would say about that,
Hang on a second. This is Lisa grafsteam Democrat from Wake.
She says it's inappropriate to inject these definitions of male
and female into law.
Speaker 5: And what I would say about that is it's really
not appropriate. You know, we've eliminated the idea of debate
and differences of opinion. We've outlawed so called divisive concepts
in schools and in our public employment. But what this
bill is doing is is picking an ideology to put
into law.
Speaker 1: And it's not mine, and that's my objection. That's what's
going on here. You've got the right that is fighting
back and saying you do not control the culture. Your
efforts have have been noted, right, we have now started
to dismantle your project. And that's why they're upset is
because this project has been underway for a very long time.
We've been talking about like we talked about HB two
god knows what ten years ago. That's when this stuff
started really first percolating. It's been a decade, but it
started way before that. It's just now reached a boil
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They did not vote to support these changes in the legislation.
They then refuse to vote yes or no, and those
are the only votes you get, yes or no, and that,
according to the Republicans, is against Rule twenty nine A. Instead,
they tried to vote present, and that's one of the
options available. Senate Leader President pro Tem Burger made a
motion that under rule twenty nine E, anybody who voted
present would be excused from voting on the bill, and
that means you can't vote on any amendment to the
bill or any vote on the bill ever, again, which
means what veto override, You would not be able to
vote if the governor veto's it. So Democrats didn't want
that either, So then they had a recess. Everybody like
pow wowed and that I talked about what the strategy
would be. They recess, they come back, and that's when
Democrats try another tactic.
Speaker 6: I'm moving to adjourn until June thirtieth at noon, and
I'll tell you why uh uh whoao, Because if we
allow this rule to be exercised twenty nine E, that
forces the silencing of an entire caucus.
Speaker 4: That is an assault on the democratic process.
Speaker 1: A raven for what purpose? Do your A motion to
adjourn is non debatable motion. Yeah, so shut up, Michael Garrett,
Democrat from Guilford. That's essentially what he said. It's not debatable.
You made a motion to adjourn. That's it. You don't
get to debate it. Okay, it's a non debatable motion,
and it's not silencing you. You're the guys who said president,
you silenced yourselves. Good grief man. That motion, by the way, failed,
So then they had to settle the issue of whether
their votes of president should be counted as an excused absence.
Here's Sidney Batch.
Speaker 7: None of the members who actually voted president asked for
an excuse absence. In our rules, it says that a
member shall vote. It does not, in our rules say
that they shall vote yay or nay.
Speaker 1: It says they shall vote okay. So that was their
argument from Sidney Batch. Democrat Minority Leader Ralph Hyes from
I think he's out of Mitchell County maybe anyway, he
said there are only three options for senator to vote,
and present is not one of them.
Speaker 8: I think it is evidently clear that votes in the
Senate are recorded as yes or no. Notice you have
a green button and a red button, not an extra
whatever I came up with today button that's coming in
we call for call for the eyes and nose is
also an option that exists within our rules. The alternative
to give voting yes or no under our rules is
to be excused from voting. We saw Senator Bergen with
a deal dealing with car dealerships, send forth to be
excused from voting. At the point he sends forth his
excuse from voting, he is excused from voting. Those are
the options under the Senate rules. Each member who did
not vote's name was called three times they refused to vote. Well,
now under this motion, give them the option for the
only alternative in the Senate when they derelicted their duty
to vote, which is the name of the rule for
the Senate that they all voted for when the rules
were passed, that we are giving the option that we
would declare that they are excused from voting. Those are
the options of the Senate.
Speaker 1: So Democrats then argued, well, one member of the Senate
cannot excuse another member under the rule. Only I can
excuse myself. Okay, so now it looks like we're going
to need another rule. I guess right. We're going to
have to now because Democrats keep playing these games. We're
going to now have to have a rule that says
yes or no only. That's it, no present right to
make any non excused vote. This is how you end
up member the city council. They took those votes behind
closed doors, and some people who left the meeting, and
then their vote got counted as a YA in favor
of the settlement for the police chief, and everybody was
It's like, well, why would they automatically get a vote
as a yes. This is why you get lawmakers that
play these stupid games, and then you end up having
to write a rule that somehow limits the stupid game
from being played. But here's something else. Senator Benton Sorry
from Johnston County Republican. He cited the state Constitution.
Speaker 9: Here, the ya's and kna's up on any question shall
be taken and entered upon the journal. There's no further option.
It's a constitutional obligation. It's a statutory obligation. We have
the duty to record our vote. It's important for our
constituents to know where we stand and not just simply
vote present.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's in the state Constitution. You record
the ya's and the knas. That's it. No present, you
don't get to decide. I'm just present. I don't want
to take a hard vote, so I'm just going to
vote present. But once again, Democrats have no limiting principles here.
There's nothing that stops them from going over the cliff.
There's no guardrail there, they can never go to far are.
So they will constantly manipulate and try all of these
different tactics in order to not get jammed up for
their own political skins. And so now they're going to
have to pass another rule. I guess that says. To
be clear, Democrats, this is what the rule says. You
have to vote yes or no. There is no present,
there's no abstaining. There's an excuse you can do. I
have an excuse. You can take a walk and leave.
But that's it. Then Senator Batch said, well, the original
law from like two hundred years ago lays out a
penalty for failing to fulfill your obligation to vote.
Speaker 7: What it does say if we don't actually move, and
we don't and we don't discharge our duty, which I
assume that my colleagues are saying today, it's a ten
dollars fine. I have ten dollars for every single one
of the members in my caucus who voted present. I
will dispense with this and give it to the clerk
so that we can put this to bed. It is
a ten dollars fine, and I have twenty bills in
front of me.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's kind of briby, a little bit,
just a little bit briby. All right. That'll do it
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