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Speaker 1: You know our thumbnails to just get better and better

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every single week, don't they, fellas. But we are back

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for another episode of Pony Express Radio. I am, of course,

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mister Dhawk. I'm joined tonight by mister Pequinonez. How are you, Pete.

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It's done good and we're joining uh tonight. Take take

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that burden. You've stolen your number, rolling gas. You know

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we're joined mister Carl daaltnight.

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Speaker 2: How are you, hey, fellas. Good evening, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, good to have you. Let's get some housekeeping out

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of the way and then we'll get into a topic

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that all of us love oh so very much, if

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we get to the flex on the rest of the

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anglosphere for a bit, which is always fun. So alrighty, gentlemen.

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As always, it is White Boy winter. I know a

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lot of people up north are in the grips of

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a huge blizzard right now. Hopefully you guys got your

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snow shovels out and are surviving as best you can.

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But if you want to get shredded for the inevitable

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return of White Boy summer, please head over to Axios

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When the snow's inevitably melt once again. In addition to that,

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if you guys want your caffeine fix, please please head

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on over to Fox and Soun's Coffee. For all of

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you coffee drinkers out there, I hear it gives you

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great power, But what gives me great power during this

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tax season is nicotine. Oh boy, oh boy, do we

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love nicotine over here at the OGEE. We are fans

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of big tobacco, and mine nicotine of choice is alp

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nicotine pouches. I've got one sitting in my desk in

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the office right now, getting me through eleven hour shifts.

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out and I myself, I'm looking forward to getting fitted

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for one at this year's conference. And finally gives some

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patrons to our friend mister George Bagbee over at tall

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Man Books. He has been doing some excellent work bringing

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the eighteenth nineteen twentieth century. So be sure to give

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some patronage to fellow friends. All right, gentlemen, we're here

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to talk about something that you know, if you're not

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if you don't own a gun, how could you call

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yourself an American? Ah?

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Speaker 3: Man, That's it's hard. But I mean there's a lot

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of people who are just like, well, I'm happy that

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you have that, right, it's kind of gay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty much. Well for sure, I guess

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I'll just get it right in the start. I mean,

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it really just is something that you just see absolutely

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everywhere from a young age, whether it's in our cartoons

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like Looney Tunes Gotta have guns in almost every single episode.

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I mean, I was gifted a gun. I think I

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was like age nine was probably the first time I

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was actually gifted one. I'd been shooting, like for a

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couple of years beforehand or something. Just always grew up

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around guns. Never found them really to be weird. Never,

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you know, really it was like scared of them or anyway.

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It's just like, oh, wow, Okay, this is what we do.

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We're Americas. We have guns in the house. This is

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how you handle it properly. What have you so I

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don't really know where somebody would even like get the start,

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you know, of like getting introduced to guns in the

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day and age. It's just so foreign to me to

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not have them around, you know, I carry every single day.

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I've had them around my entire life, go hunting all

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the time, go shooting on time. Was was competition ranked

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in sporting clay shooting when I was in high school.

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It's just it's like as intrendsit to me is like

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breathing air. You know, I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: You know, the the TAC type stuff is really cool,

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of course, and we all find it wonderful and know

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how important it is. But you really don't get into

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like serious guns pur agree until you get into distinct

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types of hunting, which is just a wonderland of you know,

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niche arguments among people who have, you know, very strong

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opinions for a variety of reasons. And most of the

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time it's like mostly in ingest, right, But when you

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do pick up a for example, side by side sixteen

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gauge on a twenty gauge frame and you're doing you know,

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upland grouse hunts and you're scaling across boulders and stuff,

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you're like, oh, this makes sense. It weighs three and

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a half pounds less than that twelve gauge. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would have never even known what a

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twenty two two fifty even was unless I was out

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shooting farm It's a parade dog. Oh yeah, it's just

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just a gun I would have no use for. Aside

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from that, it's like, oh, well, you want to shoot

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the head off a parade dog three hundred yards, Well,

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this is what this is going to do.

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Speaker 3: It The spurgree around hunting calibers is I love it.

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I could just I could just sit there and be like,

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you know, I'll just start it off and it's one

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of those things where I'll just throw a bomb and

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step back and everything, and I just be like, if

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you're not if you're not hunting with a seventy, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Just going into the conversation. Is thirty out six too

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much for a deer?

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Speaker 3: And it's just everyone every hunter has a caliber that's

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just like perfect for a deer, just perfect for a deer.

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And it's like to hear the conversations. There was where

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in Atlanta. There was a cigar bar I used to

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go into all the time, and a lot of the

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guys in there were like really wealthy hunters and everything.

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would just be a caliber discussion about hunting.

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Speaker 1: Two seventies correct.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I have a buddy who would say

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seven millimeter but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah in Oregon helk, Yeah, in Oregon, they

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they you know, the wisdom of using a seven mag

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when that became available for elk because they're because there's

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so much elk hunting up there that like the average

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person got to a point where they believed he needed

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a seven mag for like deer hunting. And it's like, wait,

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they weighed like on the big side, they weigh like

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two hundred and fifty pounds to three. I mean, there's

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some there's some very large blacktail that I've encountered in

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Oregon that are on the like four hundred pound side,

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like coastal deer that are like two hundred and fifty pounds,

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and people are like, I need a eleven pounds seven

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mag you know, or else I'm undergun.

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Speaker 1: I guess I shooting his deer for four hundred fifty

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yards away.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, that guy a guy who fires five rounds

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first sight in, you know, at one hundred yards and

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then is like, I'm ready for my my launch. Although

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although I know a decent number of people that consistently

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make very long shots in you know, in high country

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and stuff, so I'm not poopooing those people whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Well, not to took my own horn too much last year,

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but when I was on Safari, I shot a kudu

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at three hundred and seventy five yards, which was nice.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Now remind me where were you specifically?

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Speaker 1: Was it South Africa?

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Speaker 2: Oh sweet? Did you bring your own gear in?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, one of the most nightmare countries in

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the world.

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Speaker 2: That was year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If everyone wants to get into it, go to Tanzania.

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I go to Botswana, way more chill. I wanted to

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try South Africa because I had hunted at Tanzania, in Zimbabwe,

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in Zambia previously, and I was like, okay, well let's

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see what it's like a South Africa. And it's like,

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ah no, you know what, there's other places there better.

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Speaker 2: Is it just is it the hunting not is good

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or is it just the anti white regime there makes

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everything miserable.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, the politics of the situation, and it's just it's

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also just not as wild.

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Speaker 2: No that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I wanted to give a try and

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it did, so, you know, I got my fiel event.

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Speaker 2: You know nice, that's awesome. I don't think I've ever

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told you guys this before, but when I was a kid,

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there's a there's a scene in my first novel where

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the main character goes to the home of a very

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wealthy person who lives in this neighborhood called Magnolia in

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Seattle that's kind of the northwestern it's northwest of downtown,

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and it's this neighborhood that was built out mostly in

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you know, I don't think there's anything newer than the fifties.

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I'm sure there's stuff there now where they would tear

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down an old house and build some monstrosity, but there

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would literally be like four and five acre places there

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that my friend's grandfather had like five acres indoor pool,

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and then he had a safari room because in the

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fifties and sixties he did all these hunts in Africa

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and Asia, and he had the front end of a

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bull elephant coming out of the wall. It was like

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when you're like eight, it is the sickest thing you've

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ever seen. It was so cool and just the taxidermy.

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it's some pretty wild stuff. He like barely has room

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for it, but he has. I think it's a lion

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taking down at gazelle or something like that. It's pretty gnarly.

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It's incredibly valuable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the text burden and congratulate him when

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he started doing his show with that leopard skin up

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on the wall. So very very bad ass. If any

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very very cool taxidermy, head on over to the Wildlife Gallery.

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They're a company up in northern Michigan that does a

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lot of very very interesting indoor taxidermy pieces. And you

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get really interesting you know, like whole guys put up

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like entire mountains in you know, one of their trophy rooms,

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and it's just like with every you know, species of

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goat or wild sheep in the world, you know, just

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all the top of it's like going into like a Cabella's,

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you know where they have like the big mountain in

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the middle of event and stuff, and it's like that's

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like the crazy part, you know, when you like go

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into a Capella's with somebody and you just explain to them. Okay,

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so there's about you know, a million dollars with the

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taxidermy in here, just in and of itself. You know,

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taxa diry is not cheap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a beautiful Cabello's very close to me that,

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you know, people who aren't as accustomed to that sort

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of a thing, it's really fun to take them there

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just so that they can have their minds blown and

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see the native fish too.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well there was there's like a

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whole history around taxidermy at the turn of the twentieth century, right,

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because it's not like there was zoos in every major city, right,

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so people were like, oh, well, how are we going

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to figure out, you know, what the what a lot

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of these animals look like? Right? And a lot of

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these like famous industrialists, hunters, Teddy Roosevelt being one of them,

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stocked all of the museums with you know, these rooms

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of animal dioramas. Were really really popular. There's some amazing exhibits.

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If you guys go to like the Carnegie Museum in

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Pittsburgh or the Chicago Field Museum or obviously the Smithsonian

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and stuff, it's really really cool to see because it's like,

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oh wow, what does this draff look like? Well, I

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guess I have to see a taxi dermid one because

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it's not like I could just go to the local zoom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense that the Field Museum in Chicago's amazing.

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The dinosaur bone exhibit there is.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who hasn't been there and has a chance to go,

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you should go. It's it's a incredible Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 3: Apparently apparently Orange's upset that we didn't invite him to

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the gun episode.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, Big said, damn, he's a maybe

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maybe next time, you know, speaking of the Chicago Field

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Museum and guns and everything. I remember talking to Thomas

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of Tsavo, those famous man eaters, are taxidermied. The carcasses

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of those two lines in the Field Museum, they ate

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like two hundred Indian workers, you know, building yea heros, Yeah, exactly,

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immortalized forever. Yeah, very cool. I mean, I guess. So.

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One of the other things we can talk about here

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is just like, uh, we have a lot of really

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cool guns throughout the history of the United States. Well there,

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I mean, even if you're going back to like you know,

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basic Kentucky long rifles and what have you during the

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Revolutionary period, all the way up to obviously the famous

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six shooters popularized in all the Old West movies. You know,

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of course, the nineteen eleven and various other guns you know,

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for the twentieth century. What are some that really stand

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out to you guys? American firearms?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, del Oh my goodness, I could go on

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and on. Colt New Service. The Colt New Service is

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a large frame Colt Revolver that was in uh forty five,

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Colt forty four Special, and some of some of the

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other kind of turn of the century like transition from

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black powder cartridges. But then the Border Patrol under Charles

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Askins adopted them in thirty eight special with like a

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four or five inch barrel I can't remember, and they're

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they're incredibly neat and the forty five ACP the model

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nineteen seventeen contribution from Colt is essentially the new service

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chambered in forty five ACP using half moon cartridges or

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excuse me, half moon clips for holding the cartridges, so

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you would have two of those with three rounds each.

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They're incredibly cool guns if unfortunately they command a major

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premium now, but they're like one of the coolest, you know,

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still useful, but on the vintage E side of things.

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And yeah, I've I've been stalking a good example of

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one because I want to do a fits and one.

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You know, I'm kind of kind of retarded. So what

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I want to do is I want to get one

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in forty four to forty and replicate the one that

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my character in my second novel had to get made

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at an armory in northern Spain from basically knockoffs of

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that gun that were being made in Spain and just

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as a short fighting weapon because they actually had forty

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four forty cartridges, which they called forty four largo in

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the Spanish supply chain. Because they issued a basically a

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copy of a Winchester Model ninety two lever gun in

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forty four to forty to the Guardia Seville. And it's

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a really cool rifle. And a lot of the ones

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that you saw in the Westerns in the fifties and

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sixties and into the seventies were those Spanish guns that

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they're incredibly cool. I mean, it's just a copy, there's

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nothing special about them, but just this whole like rocking

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a kind of vintage cowboy thing in Spain is pretty

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amusing when you think about the loop de lieu of

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the vakro life in the New World going back to

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the old world.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna go with one that I know Carl

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will like. It's a little out of the ordinary because

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it's actually considered an FN gun, but it is definitely uh.

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John Browning designed the the FN model nineteen ten baby,

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which I have a nineteen. I have the nineteen twenty two,

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the bigger version with some markings on it that are

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highly desired. But yet that that and of course the

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cult model nineteen oh three hammerless, the pocket gun, those

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were just and that really sets off the uh, the

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conflicts when you start getting into seven, when you start

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getting into thirty two ACP and seven six seven six,

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So have your h now you can start talking about

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the conflictsit or to come.

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Speaker 2: You know what I hate when we mentioned the Colt

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nineteen oh three. A friend of mine, his family had

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a cabin on a lake that was out of ways

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when the place was built in the forties and then

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with kind of the tech boom, it was very close

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to a large campus of a large software company, and

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so there were a lot of people with a lot

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of money. And so the family who had inherited this

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place and had it for like four generations, I want

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to say, decided to sell it for just crazy amounts

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of money. It made sense in terms of the fact

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that the tax bill for this place became crazy and

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it became a problem for them to collectively be like, okay,

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we got a pony up, like, you know, fourteen grand

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a year for the little little, you know, eight hundred

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square foot cabin out on the lake. And anyway, so

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they sold it. And the reason I mentioned the Colt

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nineteen oh three is that his great grandfather had a

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Colt nineteen oh three that was sitting in this safe

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that the lock had been removed from or the dial

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component of the lock, so it couldn't be locked for

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some reason. It was this massive safe and this great

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little thirty two and I had this like intuition that

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I should take it and hold it for my friend

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because he had all these he was for a time,

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he was hanging out with some less savory characters, and

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I was like, someone's gonna pill for it, and what

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I want to do is give it back to him,

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like after this period is done, or give it to

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his his dad to make sure that like it's taken

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care of. And I didn't do that, and it got

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swiped like the next weekend, and I felt because I

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was like, it would be wrong for me to take it,

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but my my instinct was crying out to me it,

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you know, take it and hold it and then give

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it in a safer situation like at his house, because

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my Spidey senses were tingling. But those are incredible pistols.

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I will say this, I highly recommend not carrying a

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cult nineteen oh three. There are famous cases of gun

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riders killing themselves when they slipped out of their holsters

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and had a you know, an end or an unintentional

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discharge and put a flat nose, hard cast lead bullet

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right through their heart, which like it happened like twice

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in the one in the seventies and one in the nineties,

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So like, you probably shouldn't carry those things, but they're

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really cool.

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Speaker 1: Are we sure wasn't making them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just not drop safe, you know. There, it's

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not it's not American, so I won't I won't talk

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about it too much. But uh, Spanish automatics of varying quality.

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There are a number of them that are not drop

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safe also, and a lot of it is just the era.

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A lot of the older guns weren't drop safe because

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they had a very direct ignition system with a firing

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pin and the hammer. They don't have some of the

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more modern safety mechanisms. So you should be careful with

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some of those old guns. But they still work, is

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what I would say. And let's just put it this way.

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I'll choose my words carefully. If you happen to inherit

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some old guns that are that seem marginal, like they're

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thirty twos or three eighties or whatever, don't sell them.

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Just hang on to them. Get some ammunition for them

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that you pay for in cash. That's all I'm saying.

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They'll be handy someday.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting because right around the time that we're talking about,

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you had the the iverage, the Ivory Johnson, Harrison and

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richardson Saturday Night special start coming into uh production, and

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I mean really really low cost and personal defense weapons. Yes.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend whose father I became very close to,

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and he had he he had been a firefighter, he

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was a retired firefighter after a military career, and he

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had two. He had one H and R and then

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another one was an Ivor Johnson, And they were about

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this that the H and R was a little nicer,

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surprisingly when you compare it to the later guns that

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they were making in like the fifties and sixties, right,

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but these older breaktop thirty eight Smith and Wesson and

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thirty two Smith and Wesson's were really well made and

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they're really cool. Uh and and you can still get

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them for pretty cheap. They're they're not expensive, They're not

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nothing you would want to carry or do anything serious with,

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but they're fun.

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Speaker 3: The yeah, right around right around this time, Like, did

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you did you mention this Smith and Wessel Smith and

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Wesson Model ten, because I mean that's like.

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Speaker 2: No, but that was the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was the cop gun. It was

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like I think pretty much most of the police departments

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in the country issued Smith and Wesson Modern model tens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're really nice guns. They shoot really well.

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They're they're not cheap anymore. That's that's one of the

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biggest problems. But again, they're worth what you pay for them.

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So if you have to pay four hundred dollars for one,

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I'll leave it as is. Thirty eight special is perfectly

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potent cartridge. Oh yeah, use good quality ammunition, and they'll

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generally be cited into like one hundred and fifty eight

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grain bullet, but you'll find like one hundred and forty

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eight grain. Wad Cutter shoots really well. Again, warning, if

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you start getting into this more obscure stuff and older

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stuff like handloading will save your life, like nine milimeter, Like,

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there's literally no point in handloading nine milimeter unless you're

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just an autist, which I respect. I'm not disrespecting that.

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I will say this. The guys who shoot like a

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thousand rounds a month, you know, competitively, Like that's that's

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when reloading nine millimeter might make sense.

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Speaker 3: But I don't even know. I don't even know then, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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but like for it, I don't handload anymore, but when

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I did, it was mostly thirty eight three fifty seven, Yeah,

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and and ten milimeter. I think ten milimeter was the

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only semi auto cartridge that I handloaded because I just

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wanted my own loads for those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that makes sense because it's one of those

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ones that has a very it has a depth and

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breadth to it, right, or if.

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Speaker 1: You don't, even if you don't handload, you should at

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least have some experience and what the process is like.

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I mean, I don't do it personally, but a family

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friend of mine has been into it for many, many

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many years, you know, army veteran kind of guy. And

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I remember when I was a kid growing up, I

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went over to his house and he took me through

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the entire process of how to do it. I was

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helping them with it and everything. It's uh, I mean,

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it's a very interesting process. And I can understand how

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even trigger people's you know, tisms be a good hobby

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to have. So everyone should at least be familiar with

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the process.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say this also, the cheapest thing to get

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into handloading is shotshells. You can get a lee load

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all too for less than one hundred bucks. And then

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of course you need to get all the components for

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it and everything like that, But that's really good for

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making like quality hunting ammunition for a shockingly decent price.

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Buckshot also like there's some there's some really great loads

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that have been around for like one hundred and twenty

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one hundred and forty years that you can replicate through handloading.

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And like I know, like Rio Well which is a

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manufacturer out of Spain, always hated their Yeah that they'll

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they'll do versions of these things, but the AMO quality

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isn't very good. And so like if you have it,

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if you want to have like number three buck for

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a twenty gauge for an auto loader or you are,

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do you want to do like my preference, which is

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number one buck in two and three quarter inch twenty

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gauge and just tune it to be like seven seven

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eighths of an ounce to announce. So it's a really

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mild load, but it just hits like lightning. Because they're

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thirty caliber pellets. You have to handload it to get

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a quality load, and so it's really cheap and easy

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to do it with like that lee load all and

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it works fine. It's not what you would want to

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do if you're cranking out like tons of bird shot

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or doing like sporting clays competition or something like that.

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Like the more automated things is the only way that

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you're really going to save money in time because it's

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time consuming. But when you're loading buckshot, you're literally dropping

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the pellets with your hand, so you know, and so

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and and there's people that also hunt in more restrictive

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states where you know, it's buckshot only or buckshot or slugs,

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and it's really easy to get into. Uh, and it's

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and it's really fun. Like I three D printed a

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bunch of components for like doing the taper on the

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so after you know, if you roll crimp buckshot and

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then you want to add an extra taper so that

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it'll load better, and an auto loader, you get this

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little extra piece that you can mount in and just

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press in. And people have the design out the STL

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file out there so that you can just print it

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yourself and slap it in and jam it out, and

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it's like, oh that you know, buying all these little components.

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The prices can easily add up, But you can do

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a lot of that stuff with three D printunting too.

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For some of these kind of niche elements to experiment with,

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so it's really fun stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rio is just absolutely the worst. I know how

473
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,319
many times it's super dizzy.

474
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,559
Speaker 1: Oh absolute ass ammunition. Yeah, it won't cycle out of

475
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,880
a semiato shock and to save its life, dude.

476
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: But it's like it's the only place you're going to

477
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:26,240
find certain loads, you know, because Europe is a very

478
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,920
especially Spain is a very shotgun oriented hunting.

479
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 1: They do a lot of wing shooting there, a.

480
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:35,559
Speaker 3: Ton of it.

481
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, so so but but again my point was

482
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,000
like the quality sucks, so like that's where handloading makes

483
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:45,720
a lot of sense.

484
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I mean we're talking about here, you know,

485
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,200
some of our favorite American guns. But of course we

486
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,200
can't forget the great gun manufacturers of the United States.

487
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,559
Unfortunate only many of them have to move out of

488
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,039
their historic headquarters due to political reasons. And you know,

489
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,359
I remember who was it was it Smith and Wesson

490
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,440
or was it Remington. They got sued like in Connecticut

491
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,119
or Delaware because of like recent shootings or what have you.

492
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,759
They're like suing the gun manufacturers or something like you

493
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:26,880
guys are making guns too deadly fucking idiots. But I mean,

494
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,200
my household was always a Remington household growing up. So

495
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,160
I you know, had the eight seventy, it had the

496
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,759
seven hundred, had seventy eighty threes, had eleven eighty Seven's

497
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,319
well all of them like just a bunch of Remington guns.

498
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,799
And you know that company is who they get bought

499
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,640
out by. I totally forget who now owns it.

500
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: George Soros, Yeah, zog ink basically my remins and goes

501
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,319
back to the model fifty one designed by the great

502
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,880
John Peterson. Those are awesome, Yeah, those are he get

503
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
him thirty two or three eighty, but I mean it's

504
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,599
three eighty even a real caliber.

505
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:12,839
Speaker 1: Come on, No, I never liked it, never like shooting

506
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:13,319
three eighty.

507
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Can can I explain my advocacy for thirty two? It

508
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200
isn't that it's like the cartridge, right, Like I mean,

509
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640
like my main gun that I carry as a clock

510
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,880
nineteen or I carry yeah, or I carry a I

511
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,680
have a Charter.

512
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: Arms, a massive fucking faggot.

513
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,319
Speaker 2: I have a Charter Arms Bulldog forty four special that

514
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,960
I'm just absolutely in love with. I got it either

515
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,279
last year or the year before, and it is just

516
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,720
so such a great cartridge and a great little gun

517
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,160
but not perfect. But I've made it nice and I'm

518
00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:01,559
making it better. But anyway, point being thirty two automatic

519
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:09,039
is in the in the olden days, generally the kind

520
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,720
of cognizanti would prefer the thirty two over the three eighty.

521
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,240
It's one more round. You know, the cartridge has better penetration,

522
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:27,960
so its effectiveness is way better than it's on paper figures. Right,

523
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:32,759
in terms of lethality, even in the like eighties and nineties,

524
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,200
you would have like Marshall and Sanao who were doing

525
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,759
those like one stupid one shot stop analyzes, and the

526
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,720
thirty two automatic in certain loadings was as good as

527
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,240
a lot of nine millimeters loads in terms of like

528
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:52,599
their their record. And my opinion is that you know,

529
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440
it's probably people who just knew what they were doing,

530
00:32:56,039 --> 00:33:00,039
and that you know, it's a low recoil cartridge and

531
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,599
uh so you're not going to be intimidated by it,

532
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,400
and you can get a little more practice in and

533
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,559
you know, the classic load for that. The reason I

534
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,799
mentioned this is that hollow points have a purpose and

535
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,079
the point the purpose of a hollow point is to

536
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,359
prevent overpenetration to where there's no energy transfer, right, But

537
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,599
if you just say a defensive load for a handgun

538
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,599
requires a hollow point, you don't understand what's taking place.

539
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,480
There isn't enough energy in a thirty two ACP for

540
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:42,480
a hollow point to like penetrate enough. So what you'll

541
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160
find with like thirty two ACP and three eighty all

542
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,319
of these like marginal calibers, is that a hollow point

543
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,960
will you know, mushroom beautifully, but only penetrate like four

544
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,400
or five inches. It won't make it through like the

545
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,519
leather jacket or the denim or whatever. So if you

546
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,519
stick to the old school flatnose lead that feeds like

547
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,400
an FMJ, it penetrates a lot, but it doesn't match

548
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:19,360
much better job of transferring energy and doing damage versus

549
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,519
an FMJ which just kind of zips through. If all

550
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,840
you can get is a like a European pressure FMJ,

551
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,639
which is you're starting to see American loads now in

552
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,400
three thirty two acp, excuse me, that are on par

553
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,719
with the European loads. But for a while they were

554
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,440
loading about one hundred fps one hundred, one hundred and

555
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,000
fifty fps like lighter because of like really junkie American

556
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,519
guns that were being made I think it was the

557
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:57,480
Sammy speck was really mild because of trash guns, and

558
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,800
it's like, no, you should blow up your trash guns.

559
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360
And if you shoot European pressure stuff, you'll find all

560
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,679
the thirty two ACP nerds are like use European pressure stuff.

561
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,760
Buffalo Bar has a really good cartridge, Underwood has a

562
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,480
great cartridge. I'm just like skip holow points and in

563
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,960
a thirty two ACP or like a three eighty or

564
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,119
something like that, I'm not talking about like a thirty

565
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:28,679
eight special plus P, like you have to analyze and

566
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,880
you have to look at it. And if you go

567
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,920
out to YouTube and you see these tests in gel

568
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,679
and stuff like that, you'll understand why the old advice

569
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,679
still carries that. With like a thirty two ACP, skip

570
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,280
skip the hollow point. But the other advantage of it

571
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,880
is that it has a very mild report, and so

572
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,840
if you fire it through a suppressor, you will be shocked.

573
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,719
And Pete can testify to this, you will be shocked

574
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:03,119
at how quiet they are. They suppressed like a twenty

575
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,639
two despite being kind of a real cartridge in terms

576
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:13,639
of its penetration ability, not its overall energy. I'm not delusional,

577
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,199
but it's shockingly quiet and.

578
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,519
Speaker 1: Preemptively defending yourself from the comment section. You know, it's like, oh,

579
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:23,800
well yeah, but it's.

580
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: True because because it's really easy for people to be

581
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,519
you know, like, I'm this is my thing that I'm into,

582
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,840
but it's it's it's it's a marginal cartridge. I absolutely

583
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,119
own that. But it's really good at certain kinds of things.

584
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,519
And uh cia, guys would would carry them overseas because

585
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,199
it was like the smallest you know, you could get

586
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:52,039
these very small guns in thirty two and like with

587
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,320
the three eighties, the three eight versions of them that

588
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,079
were basically like uncontrollable, you know, too snappy, and there's

589
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,400
like no improvement in performance, and so by sticking with

590
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,400
the thirty two, it's easy to control. It's kind of

591
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,280
the nine millimeter argument because you know, we're all like,

592
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,639
if you look at nine millimeters versus forty, like that

593
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,960
argument is settled, Like forty is more powerful than nine millimeter,

594
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,039
but it's harder to shoot, it holds fewer rounds. It's

595
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,159
the same story just in a bigger envelope.

596
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I like the nineteen so much. I mean,

597
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:33,800
it's fifteen plus one.

598
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:40,039
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly, that's plenty exactly, and so like in

599
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,920
a super small gun. You know, that same kind of

600
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,199
argument carries. Now, do I think that that's like the

601
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,239
way to go if you're going into harm's way?

602
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 4: No?

603
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: Do I think it's the greatest defensive weapon. Absolutely not.

604
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,480
It's for like a pocket gun or something like that,

605
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,360
but it'll still do the thing.

606
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm going in a defensive situation, I want

607
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,239
a carbing.

608
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:07,519
Speaker 2: Exactly, a shotgun or a carbing great.

609
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,559
Speaker 3: And only handgun only exists to fight your way to

610
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:11,159
your rifle.

611
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,639
Speaker 2: It's true. It's boomer truth, but it's true.

612
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Yeah, I like the forty three X. You know,

613
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,519
if I'm going to carry a glock, I'll carry the

614
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,000
forty three X. But the Smith and Wesson CC nine

615
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,280
is I mean not the H and K CC nine

616
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,559
is just amazing. It's what's funny is I tried to

617
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,639
shoot the shadow to carry, and the Shadow to carry

618
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,079
had more had more musclim flip and felt recoil than

619
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,400
my CC nine, and my CC nine probably weighs you

620
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,199
know a third. Yes, yeah, of the shadow carry.

621
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: I like the I like the classic CZ seventy five

622
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,800
eight five, But like there, their times has probably passed,

623
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,719
mister Burden. They're cool guns. They're cool guns, but they

624
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:15,599
are pretty hipster. It's it's funny that the HK guns

625
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,920
are those you know, there'll be people who pooh pooh

626
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,039
them because they're like, oh, you just care about that

627
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,280
from video games sort of stuff. But it's like, no,

628
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,679
they're really nice guns.

629
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,559
Speaker 3: They're going to be around. They'll be around for the generations.

630
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,719
I mean you can pass them down and pass them

631
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,679
down and pass them down, and people are like, well,

632
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,920
you know, H and K hates their customers. I'm like,

633
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:46,599
they're German, that's that's what. Yeah, you buy. It's like,

634
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:50,920
come on, we buy. Yeah. Sure, there are some people

635
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,400
who are gonna buy K HK is just because they

636
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,119
see them in a video game or see them in

637
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,880
a movie. They saw Collateral and of course, you know,

638
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,199
got to run out and get a usp but I

639
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,159
mean I wanted to shoot it and then talk shit,

640
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,559
yeah exactly.

641
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny now in the video game industry there,

642
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,880
it's like back in the day, people just weren't aware

643
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,800
of the fact that, oh, you know, you put your

644
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,599
gun in a video game or something it's advertising and whatnot,

645
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,960
and now like they're charging people to actually put their

646
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,519
guns in the various games. So they just come up

647
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,840
with like absolute goofball combinations of letters and numbers of

648
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,159
their games, but just model it. You know. It's like

649
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,119
the yeah, here's here's your Ka seventy three, you know

650
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,039
that you pick up in this game, or something that's

651
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:43,119
clearly you know, a Kalishtokov, you know. So I don't

652
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,880
know how much that plays these days.

653
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,519
Speaker 2: It's really important in terms of people getting into guns,

654
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,840
like a right, my dad didn't grow up hunting, but

655
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:01,639
we had like some target rifles and other things, and

656
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,800
so the way that I got really into them was

657
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,159
from like comic books and movies and just reading gun

658
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,480
magazines and stuff as a kid and you know, shooting

659
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,280
and scouting. And so my dad was like, of course,

660
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,320
it's totally normal. And my mom grew up kind of

661
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,239
a country kid, so I was able to indulge in

662
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,760
such things. And it's really interesting because I grew up

663
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,000
in this area that was like half like that and

664
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:40,239
half libtarted, and so it made for a really funny

665
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,800
dynamic where a lot of the you know, a fair

666
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,639
number of kids that I grew up with hunted and

667
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:48,400
we were like on the edge. Like I lived in

668
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
a place where my grandfather hunted when he was a kid,

669
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,320
when it wasn't suburbs, right, and so it made it

670
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,719
makes for an interesting dynamic. But like, generationally, this is

671
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,480
how people get into things. So I remember in the

672
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,679
nineties and the aughts like this, the boomers and especially

673
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,599
like the Silent generation type being like really off put

674
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,440
by people getting into guns through media. And I'm like

675
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,519
the Smith and Wesson Model twenty nine became a big

676
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,039
deal because of movies, and you're just you just have

677
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,679
this block that like only the media that I consume

678
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,280
is like the legitimate channel for getting people into these things.

679
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,639
It's like, no, it's gonna happen, So just relax. And

680
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:44,360
you know, it's funny because I played Goldene after already

681
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,639
knowing what the VZ sixty one was, which is still

682
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,639
one of my favorite weapons of all time, and mister

683
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Pete's is quite nice, and it's you know, it makes

684
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,000
me laugh because there are all these you know, people

685
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,039
would call it the club and stuff when I'm like, yeah,

686
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,880
but look at all the people who got into guns

687
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,880
playing these games. They're fun. You know. It's like people

688
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
who go into the military because they played video games

689
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,199
and shooters and stuff, and they're like, this is awesome.

690
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,039
I want to do this.

691
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of good clob videos on on

692
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,159
YouTube where they explain how it is just the bad

693
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,559
guy gun like there. You you try to find a

694
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,800
movie where there's a good guy.

695
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: With the like the like the styr Og and die Hard.

696
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, beautiful.

697
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

698
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 3: I wanted an h I wanted an HKP seven. I mean,

699
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880
I know, I know Hans is carrying an M thirteen,

700
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,719
but I wanted a P seven just because I saw

701
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,239
it die Hard.

702
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh of course, it's totally It's totally normal. That's how

703
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:53,519
you just get exposed to these things.

704
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: I think I think the price of Mind has doubled

705
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,519
since I bought it. I think I could sell it

706
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:58,679
for like double what I bought.

707
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,159
Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it. Remember when they were

708
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:08,039
the the the German police ones. Because again the German police,

709
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,920
is it a is it provincial? I forget what their

710
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,519
districtingness called, whether it's a province or whatever, but they

711
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,119
they would different provinces or whatever. The German tripology apologies people,

712
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,920
they would buy different weapons, and they had a German

713
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,639
uh military and police trials in the in the early eighties,

714
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,840
and the police went with single stack nine millimeters and

715
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,960
that's where like the cool guns of the eighties came

716
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,239
out of, like is people developing weapons for these military

717
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,239
trials or these police trials, and so you would see

718
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,039
the different versions. The military trials would be the double

719
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,920
stacks and the police trials would be the single stacks.

720
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,159
And that's where you get the HKP seven m A.

721
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,960
That's where you get the like, what are some other ones.

722
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,320
There's the SIG two twenty five, which is the single

723
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,480
stack nine millimeters.

724
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had one weight I had one when

725
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,840
they were three hundred dollars.

726
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And you know what I would say is

727
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,280
like I don't like SIGs, but they shoot really well.

728
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 3: Like there's something got rid of all my I got

729
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,239
rid of all my Sigsay, I got rid of all

730
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,679
my SIGs on this on on all this shit that

731
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,519
happened in the past couple of years.

732
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're they're they're very high quality. They're

733
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:40,239
too heavy. It's like the bore axis feels like extremely high,

734
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:46,320
but they still shoot. Well. Yeah, they're just bulky and big.

735
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,119
Speaker 1: Again. I mean everyone everyone wants to, you know, dig

736
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:54,679
on the glocks, doll. But hey, you know what, I

737
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,639
think they are great.

738
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: They are. They're the AK forty seven of handgun for

739
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:00,880
a reason.

740
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Yep, very true.

741
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 2: I recommend you stop being such a.

742
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: Fagging all right, that's it, that's hilarious. No, I mean

743
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,239
I have I like to carry the the forty three X.

744
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,199
It just I mean, it feels so good and it's

745
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,440
in the hand and like all the police around here,

746
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,360
that's their backup weapon, is a forty three X. It's

747
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,119
just if it's good, if it's so well, and everybody's

748
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,519
saying it's ten rounds, nine millimeters, single stack. I mean,

749
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,000
it's just it feels great.

750
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: I've not had any will say.

751
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is that glock triggers

752
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:41,639
are just absolute ass.

753
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:42,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

754
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,519
Speaker 1: You have to have to be after market. You need

755
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:46,519
to you have.

756
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,119
Speaker 3: Or you can you can do the polish, the old

757
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,480
trick of changing the disconnector and the like return spring

758
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,000
to get that sweet spot.

759
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,039
Speaker 2: And but yeah, no, I get it. I get it.

760
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,480
My wife, Like my wife has a forty three, and

761
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,800
I think it's really cool. It's a little too small

762
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,159
for me. Forty three X is beautiful, forty eight it's beautiful.

763
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,760
Nineteen is a brick, but it works, so I don't care.

764
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, the seventh this by seventeen. If you want to

765
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,920
get an FRT.

766
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, here's the other thing too that

767
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,840
we can talk about with this is that, you know,

768
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,840
just everyone just just carry appendix. You know, you can

769
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,639
hide a much bigger gun on your person, like a

770
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,119
nineteen or something if you're carrying appendix. I mean, I

771
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:47,880
know when everybody first starts off with like over, you know,

772
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,800
I'm a little nervous about having a gun that close

773
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,159
to my dick, but you know, it's it'll be fine, dude.

774
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: To carry a three twenty and you'll be fine.

775
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually you'll get away from the four o'clock hold

776
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:04,119
or you know, just I'm still amazed. How would you

777
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,159
guys still think like, oh, you know what, I'm just

778
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:07,320
going to carry small the back.

779
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, come on, I am, I am too

780
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:13,239
old to get away from the four o'clock. I'm sorry,

781
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,400
just way too old. I mean, all my training, like

782
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,400
literally my hand that's where my hand goes.

783
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm the odd man out here.

784
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:24,519
Speaker 1: Too bad.

785
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: And when you become old and develop a tummy, the

786
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,960
behind the hip is especially. I like, I have a

787
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,840
friend who, even working construction, has carried like and what

788
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,239
I would do is like working in offices and stuff,

789
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,119
I would have to you know, down gun or I

790
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,679
would you know, have to work around things based on

791
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,599
how I was dressed right and so you know, you

792
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,000
carry whatever is appropriate. And he would always carry a

793
00:48:55,079 --> 00:49:01,599
compact double stack whatever. And he would AIWB for a

794
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:04,760
really long time, like literally crawling around in these construction

795
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,800
sites building stuff carrying AIWB. And he got to the

796
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,800
point where he was, you know, left that work and

797
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,599
he was like, I got I got too much of

798
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,000
a gut. I'm back behind the hip and I'm much happyer,

799
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,480
and I'm like, okay, gotta do what you gotta do.

800
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: Man.

801
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: I inherited a shoulder holster from my grandfather. Don't really

802
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,000
have anything that fits it. But no, they're interesting. It's

803
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:32,840
a cool idea.

804
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:38,199
Speaker 3: I will say this. I am somebody who forever and

805
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,920
ever and ever just swore off nineteen elevens until you

806
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
shoot a nineteen eleven and nine milimeter.

807
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

808
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: And then it's over and people go, oh, well, if

809
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,400
you're gonna shoot a nineteen eleven in nine millimeters, why

810
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,320
don't you just get a high power. It's like I

811
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,360
have two. It's not the same, Believe me, it's not

812
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,239
the same. I mean, I love high powers. High powers

813
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,280
is I think Carl and I were talking one time.

814
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,239
It was like ninety five percent of the men in

815
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,639
the world, like the high power fits just perfectly. Yes, yes,

816
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,760
no matter what size you are, anything, you know, it's

817
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,320
just it's just perfect. But a night but like a

818
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,880
good cult nineteen eleven nine millimeter with the Cobra grips

819
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,039
from the movie Cobram. Yeah, yeah, that's I'm sorry, it's

820
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:29,599
a meme. Gun. I don't care.

821
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: Well, everybody's gotta have some, right, I mean, I'm at

822
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,800
this point where it's like I I just know that

823
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,480
within the next ten years I'm going to inherit something

824
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,119
like fifty So I'm like, I don't want to buy

825
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:43,079
anything else anymore.

826
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:47,559
Speaker 2: Now that makes sense. Yeah, I have to tell you, guys.

827
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:56,320
My grandfather's commercial cult commercial government model, made in nineteen

828
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:02,360
twenty four, burned up in the Paradise, California fire, and

829
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,559
my uncle was going to give it to me because

830
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,719
his son would would have just pawned it. I got

831
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,280
him some nice grips for it, because my granddad actually

832
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,760
carried this thing. After World War Two. He came home

833
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:23,039
and he saw it in a in the window of

834
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,960
a pawn shop and was like, I'm going to buy

835
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,039
that because the you know, military issue once are just

836
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,000
rattle traps and they're going to be a dime a dozen,

837
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:37,840
and this thing will always be super high quality because

838
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,119
they were hand fitted and everything. And so he bought

839
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:45,800
it for fifty bucks, which was like a pretty substantial

840
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,280
amount of money at the time for a pistol. It

841
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,559
was I think he said it was like two weeks

842
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,000
wages for the job that he got afterwards in a

843
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:02,360
in a foundry and yeah, and that was his piece

844
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:05,840
and it was absolutely gorgeous. He had pack myer grips

845
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,199
on it that he put on in the late sixties

846
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,800
because he carried it when he would motorcycle around.

847
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: And he.

848
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,679
Speaker 2: Gave it to my uncle and it burned up in

849
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,920
the Paradise fire, and I was just like, Dah, the

850
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:27,599
saddest thing is that and then his wife's Colt python

851
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,000
made in the seventies burned up also, like they had

852
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,440
like thirty minutes to get out of town when the

853
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,440
wind shifted, and like all these heirlooms of all kinds

854
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,360
burned up, and it was just like, oh, that's brutal,

855
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,079
Like literally money cannot replace those things.

856
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,199
Speaker 1: Now, why don't we shift to the conversation a little

857
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,960
bit here to the political I mean, I know that

858
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,719
over the last couple of years, in particular, especially after

859
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,840
twenty a lot of people have discussed in the broader

860
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,039
right wing sphere about the actual utility of the Second

861
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,239
Amendment right And I do have to say my opinion

862
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,079
has shifted on this quite a bit as I've aged,

863
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,639
you know, definitely growing up from like the classic boom

864
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,800
Er con household and talking points of well, eventually someday,

865
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,039
you know, because the right wingers have all the guns,

866
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,400
everything's just going to be over YadA YadA, YadA. Uh huh.

867
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,760
I mean, I guess, like you, what can really be

868
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,079
said at this point? Then I'm glad that we have it.

869
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,440
I think the best utility it has at this point

870
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,920
is being able to stop you mall from stealing your bike.

871
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:43,320
But you know, as it relates to actually shrinking the

872
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,280
power of the state and the government, I think it's

873
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,159
kind of obvious at this point the Second Amendment is

874
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,239
just not fit for that purpose. But either way, people

875
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,000
shouldn't have guns, people should train with guns, people should

876
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,400
know how to use them. If you're an American man,

877
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,760
you absolutely should should own them. What do you fellas think?

878
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,199
Speaker 3: Got Carl?

879
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:13,159
Speaker 2: Okay, I will choose my words carefully on paper. It

880
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,679
is a both collective and individual right, and if we

881
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,119
turn it into merely an individual right, it really loses

882
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:31,519
its teeth. You also have hundreds of years of militia

883
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:35,280
laws and things of that nature that make it to

884
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,480
where you have to be very careful about the way

885
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,239
that you talk about things. And I just want to

886
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,119
send this out there into the ether for everyone. You

887
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:52,519
and your friends, even if you are tempted to have

888
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:57,800
names for things, or you're part of a group let's

889
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,159
say that has a name, you never as a collective

890
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:10,159
participate in certain types of activities. You as individuals can

891
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:19,880
go together to do safety training or whatever. But that's it,

892
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:26,719
because that's how that's how they get you by people

893
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,239
talking like they're super cool. And everything like that. There's

894
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,800
also an old argument that the left gets in trouble

895
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,480
by committing crimes and the right would get in trouble

896
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:43,440
by acquiring cool stuff that they were entrapped into. And

897
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:47,039
so like, there's no such thing as deals out there.

898
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:55,679
You know, do everything above board and follow all laws carefully.

899
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,239
That's my rant on the subject.

900
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: Second, yeah, I would say that, living where I live,

901
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:14,519
and knowing the crime statistics of certain towns, I would

902
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:18,840
say that the and then looking at the demographics of

903
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,480
a town. So in Alabama, you can have a town

904
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:28,440
of say three thousand, and there'll be seven hundred people

905
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,039
in it from a you know who took boat rides here.

906
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,920
Let's just let's say that their family took boat rides here,

907
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,840
and there really aren't a lot of problems. There may

908
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,239
be some problems every once in a while between them

909
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,840
and each other, but they pretty much know what they're

910
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:55,039
surrounded by. And that's what people don't. People don't get,

911
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,159
you know that when they think about this out they're like, oh,

912
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,360
there's a lot of black people down there. Okay, yeah, yeah, Birmingham,

913
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,559
you have Birmingham, you got Atlanta, you got you know,

914
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:10,280
all been in Georgia places like that. Of course it's

915
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:16,400
Tuskegee here, and but when it comes to places where

916
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:24,440
you know, it's not ninety eight percent that class. Yeah,

917
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,239
but you the things are pretty calm, pretty calm. You're

918
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,199
you're not You're pretty much not worried about about anything.

919
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,519
You happen to leave your door, leave your door unlocked

920
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,440
when you go to when you go to sleep, when

921
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,840
you wake up and realize you kept your door unlocked,

922
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:44,400
you're not worried. I think a lot of that has

923
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,280
to do with the fact that there's a lot of

924
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,320
fucking guns here.

925
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know they'll get so last Wow, there was

926
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,480
there was a There was a case, and I think

927
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:05,760
this was as late as the late nineties, one town

928
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,760
over from where I grew up, where my grandmother had

929
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,559
spent her childhood and or some portion of her childhood,

930
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:18,599
and a ne'er do well from an urban center, an

931
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:23,239
urban ute, two urban utes decided that they were going

932
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,840
to go into this community based on some intel they

933
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,920
got from I don't know who, probably someone doing some

934
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:39,000
work and robbed the place, and the homeowner shot one

935
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,320
of them in the back with a colt python in

936
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:52,440
the backyard, and the local prosecutors were like word word son,

937
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,880
and like that probably wouldn't fly now given the county

938
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,880
that it's in, But you know that that is true.

939
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:07,480
That's the traditional the traditional standard that you know, governed

940
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:12,320
America and Western Europe is that you do not mess

941
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,760
with a man's castle and if you do, their consequences

942
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,320
for it. And so I feel like the people that

943
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,039
poo poo the Second Amendment are basically just racist libtards

944
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:27,920
a lot of the time, and they're kind of kind

945
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,880
of gay because it's like, no, like I understand some

946
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,400
of their point. The argument is like everyone having to

947
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,320
carry a gun isn't cool. It'd be better if you know,

948
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:44,239
scumbags weren't on the street. I agree completely with that. However,

949
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,320
you know, if if you pooh poo it too much, yes,

950
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:55,039
from a political perspective, so far is it, you know,

951
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,559
is it influencing things? No? But let's just talk about

952
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,199
something that Pete and I are pretty well versed in,

953
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:09,880
which is the Spanish Civil War. In Spain, they had

954
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:16,760
to like go overseas to buy right bolt action rifles

955
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:22,079
for their the the Spanish patriots from among the population

956
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,559
who made themselves available to the army. I noticed how

957
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:32,599
I avoid certain trigger words because I'm not retarded. That's

958
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,360
that's like a total non issue in America. That's like

959
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:46,400
an absolute non issue. So just just putting that out there, Yeah.

960
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,639
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's definitely some good points to be

961
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:53,280
made there for sure. I mean, yeah, well just look

962
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,079
at the old atage, right. Better to have it and

963
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:58,079
not need it than need it and not have right.

964
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and another thing is that you'll remember from

965
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,960
like the nineties and the oughts. And again I understand

966
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,039
where where people think this is corny because it hasn't

967
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,039
played out too often, but every once in a while

968
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,440
it does. Remember that people saying, you know, there are

969
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,920
millions of deer hunters in America who have experienced pulling

970
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,480
the trigger out to three hundred yards, right, And it's true,

971
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,239
it's very true. It just hasn't become a thing yet.

972
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,199
Speaker 1: But I mean there's more deer hunters in the Midwest

973
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:31,960
than all of the world's armies combined.

974
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,079
Speaker 2: It exactly exactly. And so like if you think about

975
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,320
it that way, like that is a that is a capability,

976
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:43,119
and that capability doesn't matter unless it's like organized, you know,

977
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,360
the bundle of sticks with the axe head sticking out

978
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,480
of the top, right, Like, you have to be part

979
01:01:48,519 --> 01:01:53,239
of a culture, in a society with hierarchy to be

980
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,480
able to do things like that. And you know, the

981
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:01,239
nice thing is that, you know, maybe there's opportunity for

982
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,280
it being taken advantage of by lawful authority, lawfully legal

983
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,639
authority with shiny badges.

984
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Exactly legal. Yes, Oh yeah, it really, really really is

985
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,719
a rich topic. You can go many different directions with,

986
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,599
whether it's the hunting, whether it's the competition shooting, whether

987
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:30,400
it's the plethora of gun tubers, the not gay ones

988
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:30,920
you know.

989
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 3: Which, you know, yeah, it is kind of crazy that,

990
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:42,400
I mean, we the average person can have weaponry on

991
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,519
par and even better than some of the military weaponry. Yeah,

992
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,880
you just in most in a lot of cases, you're

993
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,679
going to have to pay for it. You know, you

994
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,119
pay out the ass for it if you want. If

995
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,360
you want to start playing with short barrow rifles and

996
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,320
short barrow shotguns and suppressors, you're gonna have to do

997
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480
NFA stuff. You know, you don't have the two hundred

998
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:07,320
dollars anymore, but you know it's there and you know,

999
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,239
believe it. Thinking that, oh, well, everything I have. No

1000
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,639
one knows what I have because I bought everything private sales.

1001
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,920
They know what you have. You wondn't be able to

1002
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,599
bury them in the backyard. They can. They can actually

1003
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:21,559
find that ship.

1004
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,559
Speaker 2: You're buying Ammo, your you're mail ordering Ammo with credit

1005
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:27,719
cards and debit card.

1006
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, our favorite woman in the chat, Don Browning,

1007
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,320
is just bringing this up right now down an old

1008
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,360
oz saying we can't have loaded firearms in the home

1009
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:40,519
or while in transit.

1010
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: We have to have separate lock boxes. I mean, just

1011
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,559
not having to deal with all that faggoty bullshit like that.

1012
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:50,519
Well ish, can you imagine Can you literally imagine someone

1013
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:52,440
trying to tell me, no, you can't have a loaded

1014
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,960
firearm in your house at any time?

1015
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:58,639
Speaker 3: Fuck you, dude. We can have we can have MP fives,

1016
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,559
we can have you know, l mts, we can have

1017
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,000
we can have agent K rifles that are just as

1018
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:13,079
good as you know, the one that allegedly killed Saddam

1019
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,039
I mean Osama bin Laden. I don't believe that story

1020
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:19,880
for a fucking second, but I mean, we can have

1021
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:26,719
all the quality that military has, and do I think

1022
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:33,280
that the reason why the government hasn't gone like completely

1023
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:37,559
like you know, black bagging people, black bagging masses of

1024
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,920
people because people do get black bagged by the government,

1025
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,519
but black bagging masses of people because of because we

1026
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:49,360
have weaponry. No, we just don't have a government that

1027
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,159
knows how to function. You should be happy about that.

1028
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,159
I mean, it just it just doesn't work. It's you know,

1029
01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:01,199
they can target like one person or group here and there,

1030
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,159
but for the most part, they're they don't even have

1031
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:09,239
the budget to like police all of the all of

1032
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,679
the dispensaries in like Orange County, California, couldn't do that

1033
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:17,519
in a year with their budget. So that's a good point.

1034
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,159
You know, we you know, if you have this stuff,

1035
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,000
if you know, if you have you know, quote unquote

1036
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:29,960
military type weapons, I mean there you know, could come

1037
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360
a day societal breakdown. A lot of people in Minneapolis

1038
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,800
could have probably used some, you know, people in other

1039
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,039
areas probably could have used some at different times. But

1040
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,079
you know they're there, you know, they're just it's it's

1041
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:50,679
nice to know. It's nice to know it's there. Yeah.

1042
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,679
And they're fun, Yeah, they're fun as fun. Yeah, once

1043
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:02,599
you start shooting suppressed, you don't want to shoot unsuppressed anymore. Oh. Absolutely,

1044
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,320
if you can get if you can get your your

1045
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,519
set up to the point where you can shoot outdoors

1046
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:18,280
without without ears, I mean love, I mean it's so

1047
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:18,800
much fun.

1048
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's it's funny. Like you know,

1049
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,559
obviously when you go out hunting and such. You know,

1050
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,360
it's not like you're bringing your headphones out when you're

1051
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,840
out in the field or what have you. So once

1052
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,000
you've been through the process a few times of the

1053
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,079
ear ringing, you know, you're like, I don't want to

1054
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:42,280
deal with this ever again, which just puts it in

1055
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,360
the context of, you know, no wonder everybody came back

1056
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,119
from all these wars completely fucking death.

1057
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

1058
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,519
Speaker 3: There's and there's so many electronic earbuds now where you

1059
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:56,800
can shoot. You could fucking shoot, you know, forty five

1060
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,960
seventy government and be talking to your buddy without taking

1061
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,199
them off. I mean, it's the technology is there. I

1062
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:09,639
mean you could you can get those for sometimes less

1063
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:10,519
than sixty bucks.

1064
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: I got Walker electronic ear muffs. I yeah, the stereo

1066
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,800
ones for thirty five dollars each.

1067
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: Like they have Bluetooth.

1068
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: A couple of Christmases ago. I think they do have

1069
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:28,280
bluetooth and.

1070
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: Listen to music while you're shooting.

1071
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's crazy. And so my my son

1072
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,440
early on, like he liked shooting, but he hated the

1073
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,039
noise and he hated the hearing protection and like with

1074
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:44,880
the bulky analog stuff, but then using a nice compact

1075
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:50,360
electronic ear muffs with full caliber stuff, he absolutely loves it.

1076
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,320
And the first time, you know, he shot prone and

1077
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,559
you know, at a at one hundred yards. You know,

1078
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:00,960
it wasn't like a group that you would write home about,

1079
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:04,360
but he kept them all in like a you know,

1080
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,519
four inch circle. He was like, oh my god, and

1081
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,840
he holds up the paper and he holds it against

1082
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,800
his chest and he just started laughing because he was like,

1083
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,600
this isn't hard, and it's like and then he realized

1084
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,560
how much of a skill it was to like learn, like, yeah,

1085
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,199
it's not that hard, but you can get better and

1086
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,000
better and it gives you something to focus on and

1087
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,840
it's a whole discipline, but it's actually useful because then

1088
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,960
you can use it for all these other things.

1089
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I had a a suggestion for people because

1090
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:51,880
I know the conversation comes up a lot about teaching

1091
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:57,159
your your wife, your girlfriend to shoot and.

1092
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: Handguns. You can usually figure something out pretty good and everything,

1093
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,119
but it's not always that a woman can handle, like

1094
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,920
an ar or something like that. If you're you know,

1095
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,760
if you want to get you know, if you want

1096
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,760
her to have more rounds than a hunting rifle or

1097
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,199
something like that, I'm telling you the PS ninety, the

1098
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:23,079
f NPS ninety is perfect for a woman. That means

1099
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:30,079
it is so perfect. Look, I can short barrel, ten

1100
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:36,199
inch barrel. I can handle it with one hand. I

1101
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,119
can literally maneuver it with one hand, raise it up,

1102
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,359
raise up, get zero with one hand with one arm.

1103
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,520
I mean, it's it's perfect for a woman. I was

1104
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,479
talking Stormy about that. We were we were on a

1105
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,800
video and I was like just showing him and he's like, oh,

1106
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,520
this is like that is like the perfect thing for

1107
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,000
a woman, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean it's

1108
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:03,079
waist less, I think loaded, you know, even with the

1109
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,079
fifty round mag and you throw even if you throw

1110
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:08,640
a little suppressor on it, it's not six pounds.

1111
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's awesome. Fifty rounds. And again it's a

1112
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,199
miniaturized version of the five five six cartridge. Yes, I know,

1113
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,800
but it's essentially a miniaturized version of it with like

1114
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,960
the lightest bullet that you can get, but like fifty

1115
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:31,159
rounds of it, And the idea is that you're not

1116
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:36,039
shooting it past like personal defense distances one hundred and

1117
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:37,119
fifty two hundred meters.

1118
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 3: The FN rounds that come in the red box, they're

1119
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,760
about a dollar around. They're twenty seven grain. Check the

1120
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,199
ballistics videos on them.

1121
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: Yea.

1122
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,279
Speaker 3: They enter and go immediately go up like they enter

1123
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:58,680
the like no matter where you shoot it, in the

1124
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,720
in the jel, in the gelatine, it shoots up straight

1125
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,239
up at the top. I think about what that's going

1126
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:09,159
to do to a body. I mean, it's pretty wild.

1127
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,960
And then you have different like some companies have made

1128
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:19,399
different I have a thirty six grain copper copper hollow

1129
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,560
point that I mean like will will penetrate and mushroom

1130
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,039
like crazy, and it'll penetrate like twenty inches and just

1131
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:34,680
mushroom like fucking just yeah. Yeah, So that I just

1132
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,279
wanted to say that because you know, Stormy and I

1133
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:39,399
were brainstorming on that and it was and I was like,

1134
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,479
this is just a perfect weapon for a woman, and

1135
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,760
I think it was you know, when you when you

1136
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,680
know the history of the of the platform and what

1137
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:53,680
it was designed for. It was designed for Belgians who

1138
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,520
they thought that during the Cold War the Soviets would

1139
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:05,079
would invade. It was basically it was designed for every like.

1140
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,520
I think they said they wanted they wanted a ten

1141
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,960
year old to be able to operate it.

1142
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was untrained troops or like,

1143
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,760
barely minimal familiarization required for it.

1144
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 3: To be he jects the rounds down if you shoot

1145
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,960
it suppressed, it ejects the gas down. It's yeah, there's.

1146
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: Which is a big deal.

1147
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,199
Speaker 1: It reminds me of that line in a Board of

1148
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,880
War the the Cage movie is like the AK forty seven,

1149
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:40,279
so simple a child could use it, and they do.

1150
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,319
Speaker 3: He jects the cases down before some pedant autist tells me,

1151
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,920
comes in and says, you said he juxt the rounds down.

1152
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,119
But yeah, I can't I can't say enough about how

1153
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:58,840
much fun that thing is to shoot, especially the short barrel.

1154
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:07,279
I mean, it's come on, you're in a fucking video game. Yeah,

1155
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,319
Adam said, it's ambidexterous too. I mean it's Yeah. The

1156
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:16,680
only thing you gotta do is it's the the rail

1157
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,479
sits a little high. You just get rid of the

1158
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,760
take the rail out, get an adaptor, and then you

1159
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,279
can pretty much you can put a red dot in it.

1160
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:26,279
It works perfectly.

1161
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 2: Fun.

1162
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: Man, we could just be here for hours, couldn't we.

1163
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,199
Speaker 3: We haven't even started talking about MP five k's.

1164
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's one of Charlemagne's favorites, good old five. Yeah.

1165
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,079
The ones that are suppressed twenty two shy. I could

1166
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:51,920
just shoot them literally all day.

1167
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: I had, you know, believe it or not, I had

1168
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,439
a Glock nineteen, a Gen three it was. It was

1169
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,920
OD and I had it set up suppressed and with

1170
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:07,800
a really inexpensive It was the first suppressor I ever got.

1171
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,000
It was Huntington Arms Guardian nine. Like after the first shot,

1172
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:16,640
all you heard was the what was the slide right

1173
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,960
racking with one for seven grain or one fifty eight

1174
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:28,159
grain eight grain SMB. Yeah, wonderful, so much fun, so

1175
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:28,840
much fun.

1176
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when you get in to the point when

1177
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:33,840
an actual gun starts to sound like a BB gun. Yeah.

1178
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 3: Like, well, I mean some of the five to five

1179
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:43,039
six suppressors now are really really good, like the Lazara six. Yeah,

1180
01:14:43,279 --> 01:14:46,079
the Lazarus six. Oh my goodness. It's like when you

1181
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:49,039
look at the noise reduction on that, holy crap, even

1182
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,359
on ten even on ten and a half eleven inch barrels,

1183
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:52,079
and they're small.

1184
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like with the laser metal centering, it's they're so

1185
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,520
small and you can have this complex geometry that is

1186
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:04,920
like non machineable.

1187
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 3: It's reallys Yeah, the baffles on the on the last

1188
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,199
Verus six or three D three D printed with what's

1189
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:16,319
the metal they use? They use the same metal they Yeah,

1190
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:19,359
they use it on the afterburners on F thirty five

1191
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:20,039
or something like that.

1192
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, that's what That's what everything is now. If

1193
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,640
you if you notice almost all the new companies are

1194
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,439
doing laser metal centering or whatever the term is. I'm

1195
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,439
sure I'm butchering it. But like in Canel and titanium

1196
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,680
and stuff like that, and you can do multi metal

1197
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,439
laser centering so that you can have some of it

1198
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,239
be like more of it be titanium and some of

1199
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,880
you know, just the blast baffle and certain components be

1200
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,399
in canal to save money. But yeah, it's it's really wild.

1201
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,720
And yeah, that's where just the proliferation and the technology.

1202
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,800
My argument is that you know, the people who are

1203
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,000
worried about you know, I'm in a state that was

1204
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:09,760
recently totally captured by libtards and they're pushing all this

1205
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,399
gun control and yeah, but if you look at the

1206
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,880
federal level, the deregulation that is taking place, where they're

1207
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,640
just throwing in the towel on a lot of this

1208
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:27,239
stuff because we have technological workarounds, plus inflation, and we

1209
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:32,479
also have you know, enough advocacy in the Congress to

1210
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:37,159
get for example, these the NFA tax removed for suppressors

1211
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,000
short brailed rifles and short brailed shotguns to where those

1212
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,119
things are going to be most likely by the end

1213
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,960
of the year be thrown out as even an entire category,

1214
01:16:47,079 --> 01:16:51,119
because it's you know, the NFA was only justifiable in

1215
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:55,800
nineteen thirty four because of Congress's ability to impose taxes

1216
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:02,319
on interstate trade. So it'll be really interesting to see

1217
01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:06,119
what happens there. But I just don't I don't worry

1218
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:10,760
about it. I don't have this negative perspective that a

1219
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,920
lot of these people do because of that, because I

1220
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,920
think we're just it's just seems inevitable to me that

1221
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,199
they're just not going to be able to control things.

1222
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:26,760
You can't stop the signal. Like Washington and California and

1223
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:33,319
New York are trying to pass restrictions on three D

1224
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:38,079
printer manufacturers that would stop them from making gun components.

1225
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:44,960
And there's a company in Spain that is basically saying,

1226
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:49,239
we can tell if a component is in violation of

1227
01:17:49,279 --> 01:17:51,760
these things or not. And it's like that doesn't make

1228
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:59,880
any sense, Like it's not enforceable. You know, you can

1229
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,399
you can claim it, you can try it, you can

1230
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,399
say this stuff is illegal, but you're not going to

1231
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:12,479
stop it. It's just impossible. And so there, I sincerely

1232
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:18,359
believe that just non compliance and proliferation is what you do,

1233
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,159
and you just develop an adversarial relationship with your government.

1234
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,960
I'm not saying violate the law. I'm saying that's the

1235
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:28,119
trend in society. Like if you look at like weed

1236
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:32,319
restrictions in America, like they end up legalizing weed a

1237
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:34,920
bunch of places, and then they kind of de facto

1238
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:39,760
criminalize it in others unless it's over certain amounts because

1239
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,520
they're like it's just everywhere, and like we can't just

1240
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,399
lock everyone up for it, and so you know, they

1241
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:48,800
have to start see.

1242
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,119
Speaker 1: How they lost the war against weed.

1243
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:51,319
Speaker 2: That's exactly it.

1244
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as much as like we Yeah, I mean,

1245
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,479
obviously it's the topic that nobody here is a fan of, obviously,

1246
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,439
the proliferation of weed in all our city smelling. But

1247
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,279
I mean, yeah, they lost it just simply because it's

1248
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:04,600
just completely unenforceable.

1249
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,239
Speaker 2: It's completely unenforceable.

1250
01:19:06,319 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1251
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: And it's like to the point where, you know, the

1252
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:11,640
printing technology is just so accessible now. I mean I

1253
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,399
was over at a friend's house not too long ago

1254
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,920
and showed me like in depth about how you can

1255
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,399
get yourself kitted out and for not even like a

1256
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,239
thousand bucks and you're basically just like an arms dealer

1257
01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:26,119
in your house. Yes, it's just it's just impossible at

1258
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:28,479
this point, it's just not able to do it.

1259
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 3: You know what's fucking crazy is that last or six

1260
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,920
where it uses Hanes two eighty two alloy and they

1261
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,319
three D printed that. Hanes three eighty two alloy is

1262
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,720
used in boiler and steam turbines up to fourteen hundred

1263
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:51,760
degrees Fahrenhead. I mean, that's think about that. What do

1264
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,079
you what do you have to do to break that?

1265
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:55,960
You what are you gonna have to do to fuck

1266
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:59,359
that up? And they're three they're using that, their three

1267
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,760
D prints with that, and you.

1268
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 2: Can't over and you don't say exactly that. The people

1269
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,239
who don't understand technology don't understand that any limitations that

1270
01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:15,039
you attempt to impose on this screws everything about you know,

1271
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:19,520
manufacturing in America. So the Feds aren't gonna allow it

1272
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:22,319
because they're going to be like, oh, you're going to

1273
01:20:22,399 --> 01:20:25,960
impose for some stupid reason, you're gonna have some proprietary

1274
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:30,600
company in Spain that's going to tell you if you

1275
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,720
can print shit or not, like when we need to

1276
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,199
like reindustrialize America. There's it's not going to happen. It's

1277
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:42,359
not going to happen. It's it's completely absurd. They just can't.

1278
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,680
They just can't do it.

1279
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:47,039
Speaker 1: I Mean, what's interesting about this too is that this

1280
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,119
actually was kind of quietly going away on like a

1281
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:53,039
lot of the left wing platforms yescent times, until like

1282
01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:56,399
this Virginia thing, which just came out of nowhere. Dude,

1283
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,840
you know, it's like, oh, okay, we're just gonna try

1284
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,479
and band guns from the entire state, and I'm no

1285
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,079
expert in the one. You know, people can go listen

1286
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:03,960
to Burden on this one. I'm sure he's got a

1287
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,039
lot to say about this, But I found that one

1288
01:21:07,159 --> 01:21:09,720
very very bizarre because it wasn't even something like Kamabla

1289
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,560
brought up at all, Like in the twenty twenty election

1290
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,359
really didn't bring up guns much. This is kind of

1291
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:18,640
one of those things that has actually gone our way

1292
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:21,800
at least since I've been alive. Like the people point out,

1293
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:27,199
like the concealed carry maps all over, So, I mean, yeah.

1294
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: Another cool thing is when you start getting into suppressors

1295
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:36,199
and stuff, a very cool like, yeah, it's just a

1296
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:37,920
bonus of it. Most of them are made in the

1297
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,279
United States. Yeah, yeah, you're you're getting stuff that's made

1298
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:44,680
in the United States. So I mean you can look

1299
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,560
that stuff up of course when you're when you're ordering it.

1300
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,640
But yeah, I mean, like, I don't think I have

1301
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,840
a suppressor that isn't made in the United States. Yeah,

1302
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,560
they're just yeah, it's it's a game over for them.

1303
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:04,159
I mean you Wilson basically destroyed them. Yeah, when he

1304
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:07,000
released all of those those files and then he came

1305
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,640
out with the what the hell is the name of that, uh,

1306
01:22:10,279 --> 01:22:11,359
the CNC machine he.

1307
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: Is Gunner, which is simple C n C, yeah, desktop,

1308
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:19,680
C and C, which is like like cost more than

1309
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,319
everything else that's coming out now.

1310
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it's insanely simple. You hook it, you

1311
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,479
hook it up to a laptop and then basically boom,

1312
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,920
you just hits. It does everything for you. It's basically automated,

1313
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,359
and it's fucking nuts. Man cats out of the bag.

1314
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,199
Speaker 2: People from the bag cats out of the bag. And

1315
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:44,079
that's that's the The number one thing is that we

1316
01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:48,399
can like one of the things that people worry about

1317
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,920
in terms of like AI and you know, just the

1318
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,520
blowing up of a lot of the kind of white

1319
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:02,600
collar class. I I have a different perspective on that

1320
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:07,399
topic despite being a person in the impact zone of

1321
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,880
such things, is that what it means is you're just

1322
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,800
not gonna have large companies that are going to need

1323
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,960
lots of people to do that kind of work anymore.

1324
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,600
But with these new tools, you're empowered like never before

1325
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,079
to punch way above the weight of just a single person.

1326
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:37,000
Emily Yukas just put out it insanely hilarious, just on

1327
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:43,880
the nose. Will stancel show episode that is genius, but

1328
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:49,720
using a technology that the way she frames it, it's

1329
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,680
like having an animation studio and her having a budget

1330
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:59,479
to pay, like an animation studio in Korea to do

1331
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,560
all the work, but she can do it herself, one

1332
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,600
person and pay a little bit of money for like

1333
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:14,279
server time. And that applies to manufacturing, which applies to

1334
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,600
guns in the Second Amendment. So like to your point, Pete,

1335
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:24,680
on the federal level, it's over. It's just deregulation. So

1336
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,399
we are going into this system of de facto state,

1337
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:34,960
the states deciding how they're going to do things. And yeah,

1338
01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:38,600
it might suck to deal with some of the stuff

1339
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,399
for a while, but I honestly think a lot of

1340
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:42,359
that is going away. I think they're just not going

1341
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,359
to be able to do it. I mean, don Quavius

1342
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:50,319
can spray the hood with his P eighty you know

1343
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:54,960
kit with a switch that he ordered from wish dot com,

1344
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,079
and that's totally fine. From the perspective of the Feds,

1345
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,359
it's it's it's over, and it's like it's going to

1346
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,720
take some time to get there. Our our our producer

1347
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:13,000
points out in chat that g OA in West Virginia

1348
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:16,279
is pushing a bill to sell new machine guns through

1349
01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:21,600
state gun stores. Interesting, So my guess is that that's

1350
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:27,279
based on uh manufacturers selling only in state so that

1351
01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:34,600
it's not federally regulated, uh, you know, by interstate trade.

1352
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,039
I think this is an old tactic that people had

1353
01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:41,880
been planning to attempt, and so they'll be going for it.

1354
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,079
Speaker 3: The argument against it people are making is the same

1355
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:48,159
old argument, Well, people can just take it over state lines.

1356
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,920
I mean, anyone who has an SBR in the NFA

1357
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,479
through the NFA knows it before you take it. At

1358
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,560
the state lines, you have to you'll fill out a

1359
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,840
form to say exactly where you're going. You don't have

1360
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,720
to do that for suppressors, but you have to do

1361
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,520
it for SBRs. Most of the people who are going

1362
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,359
to be able to buy these things and afford these things,

1363
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:11,680
or law abiding citizens who are going to who would

1364
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,399
do that if they were taking it, if they had

1365
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,439
to take it somewhere, and they would know the law

1366
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,319
about where they're taking it. Believe me, when I drive,

1367
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,840
the only reason I have a permit in my state,

1368
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,159
which is constitutional state, is because I go to the

1369
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:28,960
surrounding states and the surrounding states want you to have that.

1370
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,720
I know which states don't reciprocate. I don't take a

1371
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:33,319
weapon there.

1372
01:26:35,159 --> 01:26:44,279
Speaker 2: Yep, it's here's another thing that's related that I know

1373
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:50,159
that Pete is familiar with fixed reset triggers and super safeties.

1374
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,359
So for our listeners who aren't aware, these are devices

1375
01:26:57,279 --> 01:27:02,920
that operate in such a fashion that the federal government,

1376
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:09,680
through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, recognizes

1377
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:15,920
these things as operating as semi automatic weapons based on

1378
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:21,279
the language of the National Firearms Act of nineteen thirty four,

1379
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:25,720
which defines what is a machine gun versus what is

1380
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:33,039
semi automatic, And they're essentially drop in components that either

1381
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,159
have a reset that takes place in the trigger mechanism

1382
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:42,960
engaging with the bolt, or like a lever. The super

1383
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,479
safety is a lever on the safety where there's a

1384
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:52,000
camming action against the bolt and if you fire them,

1385
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:55,399
you can actually feel that. You're like, oh, if I

1386
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,159
hold it down hard all the way so that it

1387
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,479
my finger prevents it from resetting, it'll only fire one round.

1388
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,600
Thus its semi automatic. So you have to have this

1389
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,520
light touch to allow the system to literally push the

1390
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,640
trigger forward to a full reset and because you're holding it,

1391
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,319
it'll break and fire.

1392
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 3: So they basically made it a bump like bumpfire.

1393
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Correct, but it's internal to the gun. And the ATF

1394
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:32,520
lost a multi year lawsuit against a company called rare

1395
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,880
Breed Triggers, which who.

1396
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 3: Based are Triggers are amazed.

1397
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: They are, But I have to do my I have

1398
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:48,000
to state that rare Breed Triggers, as part of this lawsuit,

1399
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:53,159
was required by the ATFOT listen to how much sense

1400
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:55,760
this makes. This is a This took place under the

1401
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,920
Biden administration. Do I think would be wildly different given

1402
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,520
the leadership of the at under the Trumpet Trump administration.

1403
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:09,479
Probably not. But they got an exclusive basically an exclusive

1404
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,279
right to sell a drop in you know, like pretty

1405
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:21,399
much fully semi automatic is the joke trigger component. And

1406
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,880
then they were required as part of their winning this

1407
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,239
lawsuit by the ATF or the settlement associated with it,

1408
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:35,920
I should say, to aggressively pursue, like legally, anyone who

1409
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,119
would attempt to infringe upon them, being the sole distributor

1410
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:46,439
of these things. Well, the fellow who invented mister Hoffman,

1411
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,560
the fellow who invented the super Safety put it out

1412
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,000
there into the public domain. Someone else put a basically

1413
01:29:56,039 --> 01:30:00,760
fraudulent patent on his invention with a the one year

1414
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:07,800
discretionary period and then sold it to the people who

1415
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:13,279
basically this organization that owns rare breed triggers, and they

1416
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:17,279
go around as patent trolls, suing anyone who would make

1417
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:24,239
something that even comes close to this functionality basically at

1418
01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:27,239
the behest of the ATF to try to shut them down.

1419
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:32,119
And so there are multiple class action lawsuits going on

1420
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:39,159
against them right now, and essentially it's extremely likely that

1421
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:43,079
the that the fraudulent patent is going to get thrown

1422
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:46,600
out as well as some of the other patents. So

1423
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,920
if people people have want to participate in this, there

1424
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,359
they are a couple of funds out there for people

1425
01:30:52,399 --> 01:31:00,319
to donate to, again through Hoffman who's on X and

1426
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:06,680
then some other groups are also fighting for their own

1427
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:11,159
super safety businesses and it's very expensive. I'm aware of

1428
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:16,359
a person who has spent more than ninety thousand dollars

1429
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:25,880
on this fight and it's still ongoing. So personally, I

1430
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,600
would recommend that people not support rare breed Triggers, although

1431
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,560
the pieces that they make are very high quality. It's

1432
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:37,600
interesting that part of their argument in the courts was

1433
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,560
that because they charged four hundred and fifty dollars, which

1434
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:46,399
is like three hundred plus dollars of pure profit according

1435
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:51,600
to them, according to the lawsuit. You know, it being

1436
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:57,840
more expensive is good from some legal perspective because it

1437
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,279
restricts who has access to it rather than it being

1438
01:32:01,399 --> 01:32:04,920
some you know, rather than it being about them like

1439
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:10,680
owning this invention, because they're totally unrelated mechanisms. So that's

1440
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,760
something that will play itself out soon. And my reason

1441
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,880
for going into all this is again, this is another

1442
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:22,520
situation where just like shoulder braces, which were a workaround

1443
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:27,640
excuse me, arm braces, it's basically a folding stock, but

1444
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:35,039
it was legal to add it because certain aspects of

1445
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:40,600
stock features are not there others are. But because of

1446
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:47,039
equal protection, combined with you know, making allowances for disabled people,

1447
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,359
you can create this new class of things. And so

1448
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,920
that is like the root of getting the short barrel

1449
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,880
rifle and short barrel shotgun restriction basically thrown away from

1450
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:05,199
the NFA because it became unenforceable through again propagation of

1451
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:11,439
these workarounds. So keep working on things and keep legally

1452
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:18,680
challenging the restrictions on what you can access. And maybe someday,

1453
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:24,840
maybe someday, we'll be able to have unrestricted access to

1454
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,800
other things. Thank you.

1455
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:33,279
Speaker 1: Alright? Any well, with that chance, when we tackle these

1456
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:35,800
super chats, and we'll call it a we'll call it

1457
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:41,520
a night. Hey, always a fun discussion talk about the

1458
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:46,359
oldest and noblest of American pastimes. I would say, starting

1459
01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:49,159
from the top, we got solid snake. This man knows

1460
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:53,760
his guns absolutely so he's stuck behind enemy lines once

1461
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,760
again with his suppressed handguns underneath his cardboard box. To

1462
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,000
bring us the first super chat the evening, he says

1463
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:03,079
to us, for five bucks, evening, gents, I've had the

1464
01:34:03,119 --> 01:34:05,279
pleasure to shoot some cool guns in my short life

1465
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:09,119
so far, MP five, SML, E Grand and some others.

1466
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:11,840
Here's hoping that someday I could walk into my local

1467
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,920
store and buy an automatic submachine gun at normal prices.

1468
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:19,439
Salute four of Americans, and they may be coming sooner

1469
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:24,399
than you think. My friend, we'll see Wolfgang for fifteen bucks,

1470
01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:27,800
says salute the OGC. Down with the man flew, but

1471
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:33,039
I'm here anyway. Damn all right? Well, well, forty Americans. Yes,

1472
01:34:33,079 --> 01:34:37,079
and you indeed are real American airmic discourse for five bucks,

1473
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:40,560
I prefer tacos in tequila after my hunting trips. Salute

1474
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:47,239
three of Americans. Yes, you are real American, sir, Wolfgang

1475
01:34:47,319 --> 01:34:50,159
again of four five bucks. The state of Iowa mandates

1476
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:53,199
three to fifteen minimum. Thirty thirty and thirty odd six

1477
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:56,000
are out of here. I'm assuming he's talking about for deer.

1478
01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:01,119
Speaker 2: I think that they require like the straight case weirdo

1479
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,119
rounds that are very cool.

1480
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:05,199
Speaker 1: Mhm.

1481
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,199
Speaker 2: But niche Oh.

1482
01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, and then next super chat, this is

1483
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:14,319
for deer hunting. Yeah, I assumed as much. Alrighty seasider

1484
01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:16,640
for ten bucks sends us a salute as he does

1485
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,319
every week. Thank you very much, sir, you're a real American.

1486
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:27,479
Three Americans. Yeah, there we go, Real Americans. Ex comer

1487
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,079
for five bucks is thirty two ACP and there you go.

1488
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:35,199
And you just know there's gonna be so many people

1489
01:35:35,239 --> 01:35:36,760
in the comment section at the end of this one.

1490
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:44,279
I mean Americans, Yeah, yeah, yeah, real Americans. Indeed, let's

1491
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:49,920
see Darryl armantrout for five bucks says va here lost

1492
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,279
all or Virginia, Virginia here lost all my good stuff

1493
01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:59,319
in a voting accident. Yeah, yeah, yep, stay strong there, boys,

1494
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:03,800
Stay strong. Christopher Burkes sends us five bucks and a salute,

1495
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:09,000
thank you very much for American Yes, real American. City

1496
01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:11,920
Break Dancer Man, always one of the funniest names in

1497
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,039
the chat for five bucks, also sends us a salute

1498
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:20,079
for real Americans. Yeah, real Americans. Balero three nine three

1499
01:36:20,199 --> 01:36:23,800
and old Head for five bucks says can't wait until

1500
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,439
victory when American schools will teach pistol and rifle marksmanship,

1501
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,520
Brazilian jiu jitsu, and hunting skills as mandatory high school

1502
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:39,119
credits today. Yeah, all right, Blero three nine three again

1503
01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:42,720
for five bucks. Future American history classes will include practice

1504
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,600
with historical weapons and tax and tactics while students learn

1505
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,920
about the wars in which they were used. Yeah, that'd

1506
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,600
be cool. It's like, yeah, you guys are going to

1507
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:54,319
re enact a colonial militia in South Carolina and you're

1508
01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:59,479
going to watch Mel Gibson's The Patriot. Yeah, Hammer Rain

1509
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,239
for ten bucks says Trimming two to three brass to

1510
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:06,159
reload three hundred blackout has been of my favorite things

1511
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:08,960
to teach my sons. Carl, what's a good defense round

1512
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,560
for bears?

1513
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 2: Heaviest, uh, basically the heaviest, flattest nose that'll work with

1514
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:25,720
exposed lead. You want maximum penetration, but allowing it to mushroom,

1515
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:26,560
not just FMJ.

1516
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:32,199
Speaker 3: Buffalo Boar has a couple uh yeah, forty four mag

1517
01:37:32,279 --> 01:37:35,680
rounds that are that are great for bear. He's actually

1518
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,560
they actually have one that he says he's taken a

1519
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,640
bear down with one of his nine millimeter one of

1520
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,000
his nine milimeter loads.

1521
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Damn.

1522
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,079
Speaker 3: It's like you shoot a buffalo Boar. I like my

1523
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,960
Carl told me about this Petey from my P thirty two.

1524
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,760
It's like a plus P plus there's a there's a

1525
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,600
black guy doing a ballistics a ballistics jelvit on it

1526
01:38:01,039 --> 01:38:06,000
on YouTube. It is by far the deepest penetrator of

1527
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,399
any thirty eight thirty two ACP that I've seen.

1528
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: The only only bear I've ran into in the States

1529
01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:17,319
was I was at a bachelor party and we were

1530
01:38:17,319 --> 01:38:20,079
staying in a cabin in the middle of rural Pennsylvania.

1531
01:38:20,279 --> 01:38:22,359
I was walking down a trail after a night of

1532
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,880
drinking and there was a black bear on the trail

1533
01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:28,640
and quickly took off, So that was that was cool

1534
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,720
to see. You know, the brown bears definitely aren't as

1535
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,159
common as they used to be in the lower forty eight,

1536
01:38:35,279 --> 01:38:37,319
but they're making it come back in some areas.

1537
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: They reintroduced grizzly bears to my family grouse lands about

1538
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,640
two years ago, and I'm honestly like, I don't even

1539
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,279
want to camp up there anymore.

1540
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Gotta be careful.

1541
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all.

1542
01:38:55,720 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: Right, all right where we leave off here, I'm supper incredulous.

1543
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,239
For three bucks and a truly free country, I would

1544
01:39:04,279 --> 01:39:06,880
be free to hunt Canadian geese with lego brick, twelve

1545
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:12,840
gage shotgut shells. Goose hunting is a lot of fun.

1546
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:17,520
If I want to shoot snow geese, you'll go to

1547
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,720
Lake to Missouri or something to shoot them because they

1548
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,399
just fly in flocks of like, you know, ten thousand strong.

1549
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:28,399
It's just that would be really fun. No, I'm not

1550
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,720
Grim from red Hood, who is also a channel member,

1551
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,439
and you guys in the chat can also now sign

1552
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:38,399
up for channel memberships and get access to OGC streams

1553
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,159
behind the paywalls, such as our gaming content that we've

1554
01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:45,079
been doing quite a bit recently, including on Tuesday instead

1555
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:47,119
of watching the State of the Union where we had

1556
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,239
some very very intense battles, particularly at the end of

1557
01:39:50,319 --> 01:39:54,720
the stream with myself, mister Quinn Charlemagne and Raging mander

1558
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,720
Over playing some Total Warhammer three. So you two can

1559
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:01,479
become a channel member and get access those videos. But

1560
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,560
he says, for two bucks, New Vegas is honest, hearts

1561
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,720
DLC maybe love nineteen eleven's I never played any of

1562
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:16,279
the Fallout games, so I cannot relate. Unfortunately. Alrighty, let's

1563
01:40:16,279 --> 01:40:20,560
see imagine my lack of sheckels. For ten bucks, I'm

1564
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,960
starting a community organization to educate leftists on their two

1565
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,279
way rights. Membership comes with complimentary seeing less than one

1566
01:40:29,359 --> 01:40:31,359
is how to toss your weapon to your comrade.

1567
01:40:32,359 --> 01:40:33,279
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.

1568
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Nice nice. Kyle Linscock for fifteen bucks says thanks for

1569
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:44,039
the information and chat. Well, thank you, sir Ara, make

1570
01:40:44,119 --> 01:40:46,760
discourse again. For five bucks, I noticed the only people

1571
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,279
advocating for gun control lately are politicians slash activists of

1572
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,560
foreign extraction, at least in my area. Yeah, that's very true.

1573
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are the main ones.

1574
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very good point. Yeah, you don't have like

1575
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:01,960
the Beto O'Rourkes anymore, you know, like the white politicians

1576
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:10,119
talking about gun stuff much anymore. X Runner fifty five.

1577
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:13,880
Best way to describe it is the pie gets bigger,

1578
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:17,960
but the slices get smaller and everyone gets richer. Sure,

1579
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:21,239
not sure, but that's in reference to at the time.

1580
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:24,960
But thank you very much, sir, appreciate it, Zebrath. For

1581
01:41:25,399 --> 01:41:28,000
five bucks, Virginia will be a wild one for a while.

1582
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:30,159
Send us your prayers. Not to mention I heard the

1583
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:39,279
term assault handgun entered the scene recently. Oh for God's sake, Well, alrighty, yeah,

1584
01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:43,600
definitely hang in there, Virginia guys, and in times like

1585
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,039
this that we must remind everybody join your local OGC chapter.

1586
01:41:47,279 --> 01:41:48,920
Got to have people that you can rely on in

1587
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,760
these trying times. I know a lot more of our

1588
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,880
guys are starting to get in business with each other,

1589
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:56,880
really really big and very very important task into the future.

1590
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:03,600
So join the OGC. Moving on here to ex Runner

1591
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,600
fifty five again for five bucks, he says the best wit.

1592
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:07,840
Oh wait, no, I just read that one.

1593
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1594
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:16,119
Speaker 1: Next one is uh uh super jack superjack hack for

1595
01:42:16,279 --> 01:42:20,800
twenty bucks. Uh, here's twenty bucks and all that that entails. Also,

1596
01:42:21,039 --> 01:42:25,720
you goo guns are great. I don't know anything about that.

1597
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 2: Jack has a ongoing teasing campaign with mister bird and

1598
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,000
irl and online on this subject.

1599
01:42:36,279 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: There we go.

1600
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,399
Speaker 3: I like the underfold or aks are a little heavy,

1601
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:44,560
but you know, I've I've grown to have a great

1602
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:49,239
appreciation for check guns and check ammo, which is some

1603
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:50,439
of my favorite AMMO.

1604
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 2: Very good ammo. Hey Jack m.

1605
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 1: John C. Barsum for ten bucks. Bretta has some fantastic

1606
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:03,640
reba It's currently even on threaded thirty two a CP guns.

1607
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,680
Jay Byrne promised to get one for his wife. Interesting.

1608
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,039
We talked about barretta too much, but I recently I've

1609
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:13,920
recently got one of the A four hundreds and went

1610
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,920
shot pheasants with it and I had a fun time

1611
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:17,159
with it.

1612
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: Those are great guns.

1613
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're fun. I like my Benelli Nomo better

1614
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:24,079
of course.

1615
01:43:24,399 --> 01:43:26,039
Speaker 3: Yeah that what.

1616
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,079
Speaker 1: That gun is such a joy to shoot.

1617
01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 3: The Guineas was so much better than the Slavs.

1618
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:35,239
Speaker 1: The Italians really know how to make a shotgun, man,

1619
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:41,720
they really do. Mm hmm. All right. Marco's five eight

1620
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:47,199
eight for eight Australian dollars sadly not a real American here,

1621
01:43:47,279 --> 01:43:54,199
despite admiring patent cheers from the Pattie POD's lads. Would

1622
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:57,279
you all bring on in Aussie your actual greatest ally

1623
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:03,159
we yes, Americans indeed are friends of the Australians. Definitely

1624
01:44:03,359 --> 01:44:09,479
share a special kinship with our Aussie friends. Yes, yes, yes, indeed,

1625
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,079
and I pray that you guys can have your home

1626
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,359
again in these trying times, especially uh you know, I mean,

1627
01:44:16,399 --> 01:44:18,600
I think they're coming for your guys' guns again in

1628
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:22,119
the wake of shooting that involved literally nobody who was

1629
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:23,520
Australian on either.

1630
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:28,039
Speaker 3: Side, and we had an Aussie on the stream for

1631
01:44:28,119 --> 01:44:29,680
the when we did the Bunday Beach.

1632
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Yes, we did, yes, And finally we got Volpi's persona

1633
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:41,720
for five bucks. Also supporting the channel membership, Uh star,

1634
01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:45,319
we got to get some some emojis or some pictures

1635
01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:47,520
or something for channel members. I remember back in the

1636
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day on AA's channel, people can have like Emperor Palpatine

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stairs or something, you know, on the sides. We gotta

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we gotta do something creative for that. Anyway, he says

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American one eight not familiar. I'm not sure what he's

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referring to there, but anyway, we'll take your money regardless.

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Speaker 2: That is a twenty two magnum sub machine gun that

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01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:13,199
looks like a Thompson with a big pan magazine on

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the top of it. It is wild as hell, but

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they're really cool. They're made in the seventies, and the

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01:45:21,079 --> 01:45:24,239
idea was that it was a if I recall correctly,

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01:45:24,279 --> 01:45:29,239
it would before dealing with like prison riots. So it's

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01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:34,680
you know, twenty two magnum, so relatively short range, and

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01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,319
it would still sting more than a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Throw a jab into somebody's skull as you're pulling the trigger.

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Speaker 2: But it's literally like a twelve inch barrel some machine

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gun full auto at like you know, eighteen hundred rounds

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01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,199
per minute or something, So you're emptying like a two

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01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:59,039
hundred round pan drum into the the teeming masses of

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the types of people that are that commit prison riots.

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Speaker 1: So pretty cool, alrighty, And that is the last of

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the super jets. So, uh, Pete, what do you have

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01:46:11,159 --> 01:46:13,199
to roote? I'm sorry you woke up to some bad

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01:46:13,239 --> 01:46:16,720
news this morning about about the YouTube situation, but uh,

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01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,359
where can people find all of your stuff?

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01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,319
Speaker 3: I expected it, I mean I can't believe it. I

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01:46:22,399 --> 01:46:26,399
can't believe that it took this long. Yeah, peaking on

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01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,399
a show all pat All podcatchers. You can check out

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the videos for two hundred years together over on Odyssey.

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01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:38,159
And yeah, the audio, you know, if you contact me,

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01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:41,439
I'll let you know where the audio is because just

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01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,880
gotta be a little careful right now. But yeah, that's it.

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01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:49,640
Got a new episode dropping tonight of the Inquisition that

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had already dropped with Thomas seven seven seven, Stormy Waters

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01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,119
and this guy named Carl Dolf.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that guy.

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01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: You guys might have heard of him. Yeah, mister Dahl.

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Anything else to promote, sir, and thank you for coming on.

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01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:05,239
Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. It was super fun. I

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01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,640
appreciate it. I'm always happy to talk about firearms autism

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01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:15,479
as well as promote the OGC. You can find me

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01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,439
at Carldall dot substack dot com or on x at

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01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,359
cowdio doll. Thank you all right.

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01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,239
Speaker 1: In last minute super chat from our good friend ski

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01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:30,119
Bum two twenty always a good friend of the show,

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01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:33,560
sends us fifty bucks. I guess he is a gun enjoyer,

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01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,479
he says, Salute the OGC. Well, salute to you, sir.

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01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:43,359
You are a real American, real Americans, hetriot. Indeed, indeed, well,

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01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:46,880
I have nothing to promote right now because it's tax season,

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01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:51,800
so I'm going to go to bed, so we'll be here.

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01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:56,960
I'm back for more Pony Express Radio next week. Everyone

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01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,039
watched the rest of the great shows. OGC is putting

1688
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:02,439
out American Spirits on Monday's Chapter House on Wednesday, and

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01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,159
then the occasional gaming stream. You guys got to be

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01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:06,880
here live to watch it, and then it's going to

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01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:10,439
go behind the paywall, so get those channel memberships if

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01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,399
you want to watch it. The last episode that we

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01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,960
did on the Tuesday of the Stay of the Union

1694
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:18,479
was quite fun indeed, so if people want something to

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01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,199
relax and watch some gaming content, definitely check that out.

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We'll be back next week. Everyone have a good weekend.

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Speaker 3: When I pass on my good jeans to my sons,

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they're going to join the Old Glory Club.