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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday, July twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>So day two of Big ten media days in the books,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of wrapping up behind us right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Ohio State Day.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a chance to talk to Ryan Dave, We

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<v Speaker 1>got a chance to talk to Julian Saying, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk to Jeremiah Smith, and we got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk to Jaylen McClean. I am joined

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<v Speaker 1>by Marcus Hartman of puck Onsiders dot com. Marcus was

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<v Speaker 1>on the Jayalen McLean beat today. All these things were

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<v Speaker 1>happening basically at the same time, so we had to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of divide and conquer. So I have not actually

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<v Speaker 1>heard a whole lot about what Jayalen McClain talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to hear about Julian Saying and Jeremiah Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you about Jeremiah Smith. You'll hear about

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<v Speaker 1>that on the Buckeye Weekly Podcast feed. Tony can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about Julian Saying. You'll hear about that on the

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Eye Weekly podcast feed. We're gonna talk Jayleen McLain

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. So let's start with the I think

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious question with the safeties. So Caleb Downs doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>live here anymore, how do you how do you deal

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<v Speaker 1>with not having Caleb Downs in the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>McClain's kind of like the other guy here. And he

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<v Speaker 4>was sort of like the other guy on the defense

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<v Speaker 4>last year. He had all these first round draft picks

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<v Speaker 4>and and but he was out there just being a steady,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, first year starter. And so now he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as college football tends to do, he's the guy who

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<v Speaker 4>is now going to be in the spotlight. Except for today,

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<v Speaker 4>he was overshadowed by the quarterback and the number one receiver.

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<v Speaker 4>But he was interesting. Basically, I think the gist of it,

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<v Speaker 4>the one sentence thing would be, they're not gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>the two sentences. I guess it will be they're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to have another. They're not going to try to

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<v Speaker 4>make anybody into the new Caleb Downs.

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<v Speaker 3>He feels like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll be able to cast everybody sort of in that

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<v Speaker 4>role collectively, whereas they probably really did tailor a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of things. There were a lot of plays where it

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of set up to everybody else get blocked

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll let Caleb take care of things. And they're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to do that anymore, probably at least in

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<v Speaker 4>the city. Feels like, you know that these all the

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<v Speaker 4>guys that they have are versatile enough that they can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of they can play in different roles, and even

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<v Speaker 4>if they all have a specialty, none of them are

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<v Speaker 4>going to be maybe that all around playmaker that he was.

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<v Speaker 1>And in terms of making plays, Jalen McClain has made

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of plays in his career, but he has not,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, had an interception.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't check him.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume he.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't have very many interceptions.

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<v Speaker 4>As a team, I feel like, uh so for a

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<v Speaker 4>defense that was as good as they were, so I

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<v Speaker 4>assumed he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something that sort of like sticks in his craw?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a real point of emphasis for him this year?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he said. Yes, he wants to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>he gets that taken care of.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that causing turnovers is probably something they want

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<v Speaker 4>to do a little more of overall. I sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 4>bad luck they caused some fumbles last year that they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't recover and maybe and he's a guy who made

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<v Speaker 4>some big hits and and could do that too. So yes,

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<v Speaker 4>so that you know, back again, he was very good today.

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<v Speaker 4>He was you know, he was thoughtful and you could

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<v Speaker 4>tell that. You know, he's taking very seriously the role

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<v Speaker 4>of being a leader and expanding.

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<v Speaker 3>What he did.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's got he feels he came across like he's

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<v Speaker 4>got some confidence in what he has done so far.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's in a good place mentally from that standpoint,

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<v Speaker 4>but certainly wants to do a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, someone else who's going to be doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more this year is Devin Sanchez. He is taking over

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<v Speaker 1>no more. Davis, Enigmuenosen, Jim and Matthews back at one

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<v Speaker 1>corner spot. Devin Sanchez was like kind of the dime

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<v Speaker 1>last year, but I mean really saw him very right

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the last season and just continue.

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<v Speaker 2>To play a bigger and bigger roles as he's went along.

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<v Speaker 1>He is someone who feels like he's taking on a

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<v Speaker 1>potentially big, big, big role this year.

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<v Speaker 2>What is Jalen McLain. What did he have to say

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<v Speaker 2>about Devin.

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<v Speaker 3>Sanchiz And he said he likes where he has.

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<v Speaker 4>He expects him to be one of the best cornerbacks

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<v Speaker 4>in the country. When you've got that ability that the

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<v Speaker 4>natural ability has being a five star guy and that

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<v Speaker 4>with some experience, you know, he felt like he's he's

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<v Speaker 4>really going to him into his zoom. So he was

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<v Speaker 4>definitely raving about him.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the other guys that I know we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people rave about is Earl Little. He

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<v Speaker 1>will be playing alongside Jalen McClain in the in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to be kind of filling.

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<v Speaker 1>That nickel role that was filled by Lorenzo Styles Junior

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<v Speaker 1>last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He's someone who I remember Jeremiah Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>We've told this story on podcasts a couple times over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the year, but Jeremiah Smith like had

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<v Speaker 1>to take a second to like think about how much

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to say about Earl Little, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>not like, well, there's bad stuff, It was like, how

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<v Speaker 1>good do I want to tell them this guy is?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to guess Jalen McLain probably has been

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<v Speaker 1>glowing things just about Earl Little as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said, you know, he's looking forward to him.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the physical guy, He's the guy who's going to

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<v Speaker 4>come in and he's also like the energetic and the loud,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe the leader of the secondary. From a traditional what

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<v Speaker 4>do you think of raw Row leadership standpoint, Jalen said

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<v Speaker 4>he and Terry Moore. He sees both of them as

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<v Speaker 4>being more lead by example guys, although Jalen is working

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<v Speaker 4>on being more vocal and expanding his role from that standpoint.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it talks about you know, Little being a

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<v Speaker 4>guy who is very physical, always around the ball and

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<v Speaker 4>really kind of has a knack for just playing that

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<v Speaker 4>playmaker safety right. I mean, he could be a poor

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<v Speaker 4>man's Caleb down downs, but I don't think they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to have him again like just do everything that where

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<v Speaker 4>Downs could be any he could play. He was playing

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<v Speaker 4>like four different positions from you know, in one series,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, like you say, little maybe more just the nickel,

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<v Speaker 4>or or maybe if they want him to be a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of a box safety depending on what kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a look they're seeing. Whereas you know they could

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<v Speaker 4>just do you never knew where what exactly what downs,

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<v Speaker 4>what position downs was playing, no matter what the personnel

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<v Speaker 4>was out there. He might actually be the middle linebacker.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you know they're not going to do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think Terry Moore from what I think he

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<v Speaker 4>is a little bit more of a deep safety as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And mcleans I think he can play both of those

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<v Speaker 4>deep box safety, both of those deep seaefty positions which

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<v Speaker 4>are a little bit interchangeable, and that you need to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to do everything with both of them. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe some skills are more are better for

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<v Speaker 4>the boundary and some are better for the fields position,

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<v Speaker 4>and so they kind of put you there to be

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<v Speaker 4>more where is the ball more likely to find you

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<v Speaker 4>when you're in your strength and what you're doing your.

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<v Speaker 1>Best well, and mentioned Devin Sanchez earlier in the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he played right away Game one he was playing

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<v Speaker 1>as a true freshman. I'm not expecting that out of

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<v Speaker 1>Blaine Bradford this year. They're in a spot where it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a luxury. You've got the three

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<v Speaker 1>guys we just talked about in terms of the three

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<v Speaker 1>safety spots. It feels like they feel pretty good about that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not being asked to throw someone like Blaine Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>and or Leroy Roker or any of the other guys

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<v Speaker 1>that are back there. But it sounds like Blaine Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>might be closer to playing at least some than you

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<v Speaker 1>might think for a true freshman in a pretty loaded room.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so he was asked specifically about Bradford, so

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't like volunteer but and he said, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's got the right approach to things in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>how he handles his business.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, he's a big guy. So he passes the look

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<v Speaker 3>test to get off.

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<v Speaker 4>He'd be on the people that even at Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 4>he might be on the like get off the bus

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<v Speaker 4>early crew eventually. And so, yeah, that's a guy that

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<v Speaker 4>he likes what he's seen from them. He also, and

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<v Speaker 4>He talked a lot about how much Roker he really

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<v Speaker 4>feels good about him and kind of pointed out that

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<v Speaker 4>he had gotten a lot of playing time there towards

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the season because of injuries, but that

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<v Speaker 4>shows you that the coaching staff has a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>confidence in him. This came up two or three times

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<v Speaker 4>during McLain's interview, so he was he's definitely feels good

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<v Speaker 4>about you know, Roker could kind of be the McLain

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<v Speaker 4>of this season, almost depending how everything else shakes out.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think, you know, we talked about this every year,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, I think if there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>different packages that they could play, you know, maybe there's

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<v Speaker 4>one that would involve Roker, or even even Blaine for

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<v Speaker 4>that matter, and being him being you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>a big guy. Maybe there's some some package where they

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<v Speaker 4>if he wants to be a box safety or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that, or or you know, that dime they kind

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<v Speaker 4>of have, they kind of do different things with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what if they have a dime that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>really five safety or that's four safeties, and they have

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<v Speaker 4>another one that's three different In a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 4>the dime is that truly three corners, which is what

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<v Speaker 4>you're talking about. With Sanchez being in there, they could

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<v Speaker 4>have any number of attacks like that. Again, especially sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>maybe they had that last year, but the package was

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<v Speaker 4>the same guy as just Caleb Towns was playing a

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<v Speaker 4>different position.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Caleb Down, Caleb Downs does everything. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Roker is interesting because it's a name that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not like the flashiest recruit, but he was someone where

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<v Speaker 1>we keep seeing these like little drip grips of indications

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<v Speaker 1>that he's maybe gonna play a role this fall. Where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, first day of Spring Bowl, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>person standing up and talking to the team. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Leroy Roker. They put out the Dudes of the week

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<v Speaker 1>for this week and Leroy Roker was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>So he keeps seeing these like little drip group grips

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<v Speaker 2>of information that he's maybe going to be playing a

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and with more and little we're both a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit in and out with injuries, Roker was the guy

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<v Speaker 4>who's I mean, he's the next guy off the bench

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<v Speaker 4>for sure. Even if even if those are your top

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<v Speaker 4>three safeties, you know, he's he's definitely there. So then

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<v Speaker 4>how much of a role do they do. They still

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<v Speaker 4>try to find for him if everybody's healthy all season,

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<v Speaker 4>which never really happens. So there's no doubt that they

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<v Speaker 4>like a lot of what they've seen from him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then last thing we talked kind of going all

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<v Speaker 1>the way around the secondary for the most part, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to the other side of the ball, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>always interesting. I would like to ask guys on one

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<v Speaker 1>was asked about the wide receivers, you know what you

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<v Speaker 1>a Kyle Mcar, Kyle Parker, Devin Mchew and those guys.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, he's definitely seen, you know, a certain quickness

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<v Speaker 4>and explosiveness out of them, which you know that the

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<v Speaker 4>knock on Ohio State receivers has been the yards after

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<v Speaker 4>the catch. So that was the thing that he mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>with those guys, and I asked him if you know

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<v Speaker 4>he has if he can tell from his perspective that

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<v Speaker 4>they're working on yards after the catch everybody, and he

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<v Speaker 4>said yes.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, even Jeremiah.

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<v Speaker 4>Smith, you know, we're working a little bit more on

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<v Speaker 4>being dangerous with the ball in his hands. And so

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<v Speaker 4>that was and he also said that he feels like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he has seen Julian sane practice against saying

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<v Speaker 4>has been a little different in the spring. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned, we will have more from the Jeremi

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<v Speaker 1>Smith interview, the Julian Sayin interview. We already did a

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan a interview show that's in the Buckeye Weekly podcast

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<v Speaker 1>fee you can find that on our YouTube channel YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Dot com slash at Buckeye Insiders.

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