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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media. Hello everybody, and

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welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast

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d I've got my Reese's pieces and I've got a

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massive flamethrower. I'm ready to go on this episode. That

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Speaker 2: I've got my Holy cap. Okay, I just saw some

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like glint in your eye. There's a reddish kind of Clint.

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I'm gonna need you to donate me some blood to

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hear real quick. I gotta do a little checking here,

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's all about the eyes. We're gonna talk about

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the eyes. We are diving into June of nineteen eighty two.

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This is a massive undertaking. We got three movies we're

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we'll be talking about.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear about this. We do not just have

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three movies. We have three of the greatest sci fi

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movies of all time. And they were all released within

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a week of each other.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Like Et came out a week later, Blade Runner and

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The Thing came out on the same day. So in

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a span of eight days, you have three of the

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greatest sci fi movies of all time. Nineteen eighty two,

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forty years ago this month, before we dive in. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason, we have a new executive producer for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our good friend, Sissy Johnson.

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Speaker 2: She's communicated with us on Twitter before. I think right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sissy, We sure appreciate it. You

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we are ready to jump back into these

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three sci fi movies forty years ago.

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Speaker 1: They're all turning forty And I was texting with our

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buddy Jeff Manzuoka Yes, and he was asking me, He's like,

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what's the connection between these three? And I said, well,

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they all came out in June of eighty two, and

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they're all like all time classics, which for us is enough. Right,

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But I've got some really cool connections between these movies

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I want to talk about before we dive in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first movie that came out was E. T. The

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Extraterrestrial by mister Steven Spielberg. Yes, then we had on

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the same day we had The Thing by mister John

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Carpenter and Blade Runner by mister Ridley Scott. I mean,

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talk about big hitting directors of the eighties. All of

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these guys were in, they're trying, and they're prime.

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Speaker 1: The list of these connections, I'm ready to blow your

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socks off. You ready for this? Blow online, buddy?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: So Harrison Ford was the lead actor and Blade Runner, right.

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He was also at the time married to Melissa Matheson,

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who was the writer for et. She wrote Freaking ETEP.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: The last line of dialogue or the sentence of dialogue

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from the Thing from Another World, which the Thing is

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a remake of, is Watch the Skies. Yes, Watch the

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Skies was the working title for E T. Yes, Okay,

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I've got a few more connections for you. So The

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Thing was made in response to Ridley Scott's Alien movie. Yes,

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Alien actually revitalized the thing, gave it life. Okay. One

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of the possible choices for McCready in the Thing Peter Coyote,

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who plays keys in ET. Yeah. And then one last

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thing is gonna blow your mind. Okay, there is a

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miniature of Dark Star the ship. Okay, John Carpenter's Dark

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Star that can be seen in the background at the

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police station. And Blade Runner. Wow, how about that.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome? All right, Okay, there's more. I'm gonna bounce

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back and forth on them. But you've got a cameo

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appearance in Et on a deleted scene by one of

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those people we've talked about. You have guys that owned

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rights to one of the scripts, that had written scripts

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for the directors. These movies are interlaced like you wouldn't believe,

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and we're gonna hit all kinds of connections as we

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Speaker 1: So just a refresh your memory. Movies from June of

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eighty two. June of eighty two is really strong. Okay.

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The weekend of June fourth you had Poltergeist along with

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Star Trek to the Wrath of Kahn. Then June the

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eleventh you have of course Et and Greece two. For

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you cool riders out there. Then June eighteenth you have

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the Clint Eastwood Firefox movie. I don't even remember that one,

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but I was freaking pumped up to see that one.

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I remember of it, I don't. It was boring into

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the last ten minutes, and then d the Top done

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in the last ten minutes. And then June twenty fifth

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you had Blade Runner, Mega Force and the Thing. Wow,

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June of eighty two was great month to be a

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movie watching kid. Almost as good as June of eighty one. Almost,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Jason, We're going to go back to nineteen

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thirty when a young eighteen year old kid going to

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his first year MIT starts writing science fiction.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay.

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Speaker 2: This guy's name is John W.

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Speaker 2: From nineteen thirty to nineteen thirty one, when he's eighteen

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one novel for the science fiction magazine Amazing Stories. He

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called Astounding. But this guy, to say that he was

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an important force in this world of science fiction is

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too much of an understatement. Let me just say this.

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The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction said, quote more than any

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other individual. He helped to shape modern science fiction. Isaac Asimov said,

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he is the most powerful force in science fiction ever.

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What this guy is huge? And he decided to start

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writing some stories in a different tone. He assumed a

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pen name of Don A.

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Speaker 1: Stewart.

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Speaker 2: That was the name he used when he wrote a

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little story called Who Goes There in nineteen thirty eight.

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It is the story that the thing is based on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: John W.

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Speaker 2: Campbell became the editor of Astounding in nineteen thirty seven

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and stayed the editor through his death. He helped shape

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the careers of the Big three as far as science

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fiction goes. Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, remember that name, Robert

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Heinlein and Arthur C. Clark, Right, so, Isaac Asimov, I

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mean everybody knows who that is, right, sure, okay? Robert

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Heinlein Starship Troopers and a ton of other things. He

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and then of course Arthur C. Clark is two thousand

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and one and a million others. Right As the editor

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science fiction. And he started to go in a direction

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that was kind of disturbing to these other guys, where

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he started investigating parapsychology and ParaScience and pseudoscience and some

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of these other things, and that turned off Isaac Asimov

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and these other guys. Which is interesting because when we

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our Ghostbusters episode, he was like, you know, if people

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would give this sincere scientific study, maybe we could learn

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something about these other worldly type of things. And you

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also mentioned that while they were filming the movie, there

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was a certain resident of New York City who ran

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into dan Ackroyd at the time that they were filming

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the movie.

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Speaker 1: Can you remember that. Yeah, So dan akro is like,

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holy crap, it's Isaac Asimov. And Isaac Asmov is like,

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are you the reason why all this traffic is here?

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Dan Ackroyd's like, I guess so, sir, And he's like,

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I think it's disgusting. Right.

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Speaker 2: So Isaac Asimov doesn't like the parapsychology guys right at all?

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So what this ultimately ends up happening is John W.

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Campbell does befriend a guy who's into these kind of

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weird things, and his name is l Ron Hubbard, and.

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Speaker 1: So John W.

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Speaker 2: Campbell is a key in the development of what would

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become dianetics, the foundational piece of work for scientology.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you blowing my freaking mind.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Tom Cruise, great job on Maverick. Okay, So back

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to who goes there? So this was produced in nineteen

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thirty eight. It is very similar in story to what

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we get in the movie The Thing from nineteen eighty two.

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World that came out in nineteen fifty one that was

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directed by Howard Hawks. Okay, and that one you had

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a guy in a costume, right it was.

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Speaker 1: I watched that movie. Yeah, I watched it. Well, tell

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me Tommy, Well, I watched it on YouTube. Okay, it's

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free on YouTube. Okay, it's you know, it's a nineteen

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fifties science fiction movie. It's a whole lot of you know,

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a couple of people grandstanding about you know, creation moving

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forward and evolving and the scientists. You know, it goes

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a little crazy, but essentially there's a they find a

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fling saucer and they accidentally blow it up, but they

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rescue one of the alien b from the ice and

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the ice melts, and then that guy wakes up and

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goes on a rampage and kills everybody, and they managed

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to take care of it because he's a plant. Like,

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it's a walking plant. Vegetable matter. There you go. Yeah,

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and then the guy at the end is like, you know,

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watch the Skies. What was what was the last line?

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Watch the Skies? Well, that's important. Can you tell me

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more about why that would be important because that's the

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working title of ET? What yes, tell me more. Yeah. So,

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when Steven Spielberg was developing ET, what he was doing

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was he was actually writing a sequel to Close Encounters

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of the Third Kind, and the studio came to him

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and said, hey, listen, we like Close Encounters. We want

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to do a sequel. And Steven Spielberg's like, well, they

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asked me to do a sequel for Jaws. I didn't

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do it. They did it without me and it sucked.

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to do this, I want to be involved. Yeah, And

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a guy named John Sales involved here, right, yes, And

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they didn't keep the name Watch the Skies. It ended

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up being something else.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this? So Watch the Skies was actually copyrighted,

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so he couldn't use Watch the Skies, right, So he

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changed it to Night Skies. Yeah, White Skies is great, yes, right,

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got this idea for this script. I want you to

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write it for me. Lawrence Casden said, well, I'm doing

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this little project called The Empire Strikes Back, so I'm

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a little bit busy right now. So he went to

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John Sales, who had written for Joe Dante the spoof

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on Jaws called Piranha, which we talked about in Jaws

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and in our Grimlins episode. Yes, sir, yes, so he

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changed the Night Skies. It's a story about a group

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of aliens who terrorize a family. And the aliens there's

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like a group of them, like, one was named Scar,

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one was named Squirt, one was named Buddy.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Does this sound familiar to you? This sounds like Grimlins.

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So the night Skies became basically ET Grimlins and Poltergeist,

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that's right.

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Speaker 1: Which also came out this year. It came out just

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a few weeks prior to ET. Yeah, directed by Toby Hooper,

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but really Steven Spielberg supposedly was actually the guy who

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directed it, but he was going back and forth between

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Poltergeist and ET. Poltergeist is the story of a suburban

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nightmare and ET is the story of a suburban dream.

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Speaker 2: Yep, when we get to casting in a second, I've

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got a nice little connection on those two.

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Speaker 1: Movies as well. Okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: So jumping back to Who Goes There, I'm going to

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tell you something that came about just in the last

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few years. There was an expanded manuscript found in twenty

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eighteen at Harvard.

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Speaker 1: John W.

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Speaker 2: Campbell had donated a bunch of his manuscripts to Harvard,

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and somebody was just searching through these old manuscripts and

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found like a much larger version of Who Goes There.

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They started a Kickstarter campaign to try to get it published.

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Their goal was one thousand dollars. They raised one hundred

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and fifty five thousand dollars, and so the book was released,

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it was called Frozen Hell, the book that in sp

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fired The Thing, published twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. You know. That sounds very similar to the

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birth of Blade Runners. We'll get to that here in

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just a minute.

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Speaker 2: I have so much stuff. That's so much stuff, all right,

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let's go. Okay, So after the movie The Thing from

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Another World, there were a couple of guys, a couple

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of screenwriters who had the rights to the story the

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original who goes their story right? And those guys' names

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were Hal bar Wood and Matthew Robbins. Let me give

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you a couple of movies that they wrote, Okay, Dragon's Layer,

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Whoa and The Sugarland Express. Are you serious, which, of

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course is Steven Spielberg's first movie. Yes, starring Goldie Hawn.

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There you go, another connection. Yes, all right. So those

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guys had the rights, they passed the Universe. They were like,

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we're not going to make this movie. We're not interested

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in it. So Universal bought it and David Foster, Lawrence Termann.

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novel because in the novel you've got the alien's body

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mass that will change. It involves taking over people and dogs.

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The dog is killed, it's telepathic. It's all very similar

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to what we get in nineteen eighty two as opposed

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to what we got in nineteen fifty one, and they

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wanted it more like that. They approached John Carpenter in

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nineteen seventy six, but Universal chose not to go with

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him because he wasn't under contract. He was an independent guy.

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because he was under contract, and Toby Hooper.

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Speaker 1: Is the director of Poltergeist and Texas Chainsaw'm massacre. There

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you go.

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Speaker 2: So they intempted to get others, including John Lannis, but failed,

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but it got put on hold right right until a

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couple of things happened. Okay, but before I get to

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those things, to talk about John Carpenter and Kurt Russell. Okay,

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So I'm gonna start with Kurt Russell.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna draw a little bit everybody's blood. We're going

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to find out who's a thing.

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Speaker 2: So Kurt Russell at fifteen, when he does his first

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Disney movie called Follow Me Boys, he's already seasoned actor.

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He's been acting for four years at that point. One

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of the movies that he was in when he was

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twelve years old, was it happened at the World's Fair.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who's in that? No? Elvis?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And so at some point Kurt Russell shows

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up and kicks Elvis in the shin.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So then he goes to Disney.

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Speaker 2: Between sixty six and seventy five, he had a big

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career with Disney, Computer War, Tennis Shoes, Strongestman, with all

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these amazing Disney movies. And after nine years and nine movies,

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he was ready to be done, right, ready to be

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done with Disney. So in nineteen seventy four, the last

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movie that he does with Disney is The Strongest Man

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in the World. In the same year, he plays Charles Whitman,

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the sniper killer in the movie The Deadly Tower.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I mean talk about let's burn this image to the

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ground seriously, right, So that's his objective. I am you know,

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I've been the Disney kid for nine years now, I

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want to do something completely different. Well, enter John Carpenter.

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Now John Carpenter we talked about in our Aliens episode,

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because John Carpenter went to school with this guy named

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Dan O'Bannon and they worked together on John Carpenter's student

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movie called dark.

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Speaker 1: Star, which is also coincidentally the name of the plane

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that Tom Cruise flies and Tom gun Maverick.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that I think the movie had

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to have inspired the plane. Right, Those guys Lockheed Martin

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have to be John Carpenter fans.

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Speaker 1: I believe it. So you can go.

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Speaker 2: Back and listen to that episode, but you'll have to

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remember that Dan O'Bannon and John Carpenter had a falling out.

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Dan O'Bannon ended up doing a big project with a

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guy that didn't come through called Dune.

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Speaker 1: Remember this, Yes, flew.

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Speaker 2: Out to Europe, project fell through, he lost all his money.

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He came back and was sleeping on the couch and

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that's when he wrote the movie Alien right.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: The reason that he got the job was because Alejandro

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Jeordowski was making Doune. So Alejandro Hordawaski had gone to

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talk to this guy named Douglas Trumbull who was the

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special effects guy to talk to and Douglas Trumbull said, Hey,

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this is the way that we are going to do things,

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and Hordwaski was like, I don't want to do it.

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That way, and Douglas Trumble was like, well tough, that's

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the way it's going.

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Speaker 1: To be, or I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: He's like, well then I don't want you. And then

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they went and saw this movie at the theater called

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Dark Star, and he said, who's the special effects guy

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for this movie? It was Dan O'Bannon, who, of course

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then became the guy who wrote Alien, which was directed

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by Ridley Scott worked closely with him. Ridley Scott, of

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course is the guy who directed Blade Runner, who had

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the most amazing set design that was made by Douglas Trumble.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how about that?

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Speaker 2: So Douglas Trumbule just passed away in February, God rest

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his soul. We had a couple of guys who are

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involved in these things who have just recently passed away.

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But Douglas Trumbull is a and icon as far as

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visual effects goes.

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Speaker 1: But there you go.

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Speaker 2: Another connection, hey, by the way, just a little connection, Okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Ridley Scott also directed Gladiator, which we paired up

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against Braveheart in one of our earliest episodes, Yes, which

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you were way wrong in whatever. That was one of

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the few episodes we really disagreed in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, after John Carpenter has done Dark Star, he

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starts doing some of these other kind of low budget

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horror movies. One is called Assault on Precinct thirteen, which

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is a retelling of the Rio Bravo movie Yep. And

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he realizes that there's a lot of work and a

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lot of money to be made in TV movies at

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the time, does another couple of horror movies, and then

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he does this bio pic on Elvis. Yes, and guess

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who plays Elvis, Kurt Russell.

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Speaker 1: You want to be able to walk around and see things,

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all the mobs of people, you know, just just be

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pre just be playing little old media instead of the inning.

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Speaker 2: Same guy who at twelve years old kicked Elvis in

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the shin is now playing Elvis in the biopic in

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nineteen seventy nine, directed by John Carpenter, And that is

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where these two get together and fall in love.

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Speaker 1: By the way, one of the little horror movies that

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you kind of skimmed over there, Yeah, Halloween, one of

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the most profitable movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so nineteen seventy nine is when this biopick came out.

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Nineteen seventy nine. Us of course, when Alien came out, yes,

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And also, of course John Carpenter had Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So those are the two colossal events that wake up

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universal to say, hey, maybe we should go ahead and

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remake the thing to trust.

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Speaker 4: I know what you mean, Blair, Trust a tough thing

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to come by these days.

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Speaker 1: Tell you why why don't you just trust in the Lord?

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Bang on? Good job, nailed it.

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Speaker 2: So they go back to John Carpenter, and he didn't

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think that he could do it better than Howard Hawk

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had done it. It was a movie that he had loved

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since the time he was a kid, but he hadn't

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really ever read the book. And so he reads the

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novella and he's like, you know what, this isn't the

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same as the movie. This is more like an Agatha

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Christie like and then there were none It really is

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like and then there were none. Yes, And so he's like, huh,

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I think I can do something different with this. I mean,

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just let me be clear on this. Howard Hawks was

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like a huge influence on John Carpenter. He was scared

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to do this movie. If you watch Halloween, you can

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see that it is an homage to Howard Hawks in

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the way that he did stuff and so they said,

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John Carpenter, we really want you to do this. Once

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he read it, he was like, I think I can

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do this in a different way. But they needed a script.

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They approached several different writers, one of which was Richard Matheson,

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who was, of course the father of Chris Matheson.

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Speaker 1: Who wrote Freaking Bill and Ted Excellent Adventure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Richard Matheson is the guy that said, hey,

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you should do a time travel movie based on your

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short story.

470
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: Richard Mathson wrote, I am legend. I mean it's a

471
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,559
big deal. He's a big deal.

472
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:57,839
Speaker 3: Right.

473
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,519
Speaker 2: He didn't do it, But there was a of a

474
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:04,359
famous actor that was in descript writing and they approached him,

475
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,359
and his name was Bill Lancaster, son of the famous

476
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,839
Bert Lancaster incredible. When they approached him, he said, I

477
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,799
want to keep this close to the novella, and they said,

478
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,920
that's what we want.

479
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Now.

480
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,839
Speaker 2: In this script, you don't really see the monster. They

481
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,319
played the Jaws card where they kept the monster brilliant hidden.

482
00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:26,039
But there's a guy named Rob Boteen who they had

483
00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,680
approached about doing the special effects in this movie, who said,

484
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:31,200
I really think we should see the monster more often

485
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,119
and that's why you got it in there as often

486
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,480
as you do.

487
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:35,839
Speaker 1: By the way, every time you see the monster, you're

488
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,359
gonna crap your pants because it's so freaking scary.

489
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: This is one of the best special effects movies of

490
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,599
all time, and one of the movies that John Carpenter

491
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,720
had done in this time period between you know, hey,

492
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,359
we want you to do the movie and the movie

493
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,799
coming out. It was a movie called The Fog. Yeah,

494
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,359
And so this young I think twenty or twenty one

495
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,559
year old kid is like, Oh, John Carpenter, I want

496
00:23:57,599 --> 00:23:59,319
to go meet him. He's over on the lot. He's

497
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,160
doing some work with a special effects guy named Rick Baker.

498
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: Who you might have heard of Rick Baker.

499
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's like, oh, I want to go

500
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,640
meet him.

501
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,599
Speaker 1: And he's like gets in.

502
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,559
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, so the movies he you're doing is

503
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:11,279
what the Fog?

504
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:12,559
Speaker 1: Oh? Can I be in it?

505
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: And he says that John Carpenter's like stand up, and

506
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,920
he's like he thinks he's going to say stand up

507
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,799
and get out, and he's like, turn around, Okay, I

508
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:21,200
got a part for you. You need to be here

509
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,039
tomorrow morning. You need to wear this, you need to

510
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,519
learn these lines. I mean so so Rob Botein first

511
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,880
working with John Carpenter as an actor in the Fog.

512
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:30,519
Speaker 1: Wow.

513
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,799
Speaker 2: Now, of course we know from our American Werewolf in

514
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,599
London versus The Howling that Robotein worked again with Rick

515
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,920
Baker initially on the Howling. But then John Landis called

516
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,960
Rick Baker and he's like, what are you doing? I've

517
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,240
got a werewolf movie. Wait? Yeah, I mean John Landis

518
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,240
is the reason that Rick Baker is a household name. Sure, right,

519
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,920
So Rick Baker leaves to go do American Werewolf in London.

520
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,359
He leaves Rob Botein in charge of the special effects

521
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,400
for the Howling, which of course are monumental at time.

522
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,880
And so then when we get to the thing, Robboteen

523
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,279
is the man for the plan.

524
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: The effects in the Thing are so graphic and shocking

525
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,519
that the press accused John Carpenter of being a pornographer

526
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:14,279
of violence.

527
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: Right.

528
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. We even did a little a little presentation a

529
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,039
live show. Oh yeah, that's right last fall, and we

530
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,079
presented some of the scariest movies in cinema. And one

531
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,160
of those moments was when the.

532
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: When opens up and the arms come off. Oh my gosh,

533
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,920
so incredible. We'll talk about special effects in a little

534
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,680
more detail a little bit later on. Okay, so we've

535
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,440
got our director, we've got our script by mister Bill Lancaster,

536
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,640
we've got our special effects guy.

537
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:43,839
Speaker 1: And it's time to start going.

538
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, So that's the beginning of the thing.

539
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Yep. Now we've got to talk about the beginning of later.

540
00:25:49,160 --> 00:26:01,279
Speaker 3: Wake Up, trying to die.

541
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,599
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so once again we're going back in time.

542
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,000
We are going to talk about sci fi writers. This

543
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:09,240
guy's a little bit younger.

544
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,319
Speaker 1: His name is Philip Kindred Dick, mister phild K Dick.

545
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: Philip K. Dick, an unfortunate name. Born a twin Oh

546
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,480
really yeah, had a twin sister. She died in infancy.

547
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,680
That's why you will see a lot of twinless twins

548
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720
in his works.

549
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: Interesting. He said it had a.

550
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: Profound effect on him, even though he's only six weeks old.

551
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,400
It's a big condition, like there are organizations that are

552
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,960
the twinless twins organizations. So it was profound on his life.

553
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,680
But I don't need to get into all that. What

554
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,279
you need to know is that he also was a

555
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,480
young science fiction writer. He wrote other more mainstream stuff,

556
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,960
but it was unsuccessful and he really was never truly

557
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,079
appreciated during his lifetime.

558
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,519
Speaker 1: Okay, So Phil K.

559
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: Dick started writing in nineteen fifty two and wrote for

560
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,839
nearly ten years without any real success. His stuff would

561
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,079
get submitted to the science fiction magazines. My guess is

562
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,960
probably John W. Campbell read some of his stuff and

563
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,079
rejected it. But in nineteen sixty two he came out

564
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:13,680
with a novel called The Man in the High Castle. Yes,

565
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:15,640
have you watched this on showtime?

566
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: Or I have not seen a series? Okay. I read

567
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200
this book a long time ago, and it's basically what

568
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,079
would have happened if Germany had won World War Two?

569
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,359
And that premise alone is just fascinating.

570
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,079
Speaker 2: I haven't read the book, but as I understand that,

571
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,559
there's actually a book within the book that is what

572
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,880
would have happened if the Allies had won World War Two?

573
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of.

574
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy. That is some deep weird stuff.

575
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,559
I can say that going down the Phillip Dick Hole,

576
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:49,559
if you will, is a world of crazy beyond your

577
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,920
normal crazy.

578
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,759
Speaker 1: It's upper level, super highly intelligent stuff. It can get

579
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:56,960
over your head in a hurry.

580
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: He just as a quick glim of his life. He

581
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,039
didn't have a lot of financial success despite the really

582
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:06,920
famous works that he's done. I mean, we're talking about

583
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,720
a guy who was the inspiration for his stories, were

584
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:14,200
the inspiration for mann in Height, Castle, Minority Report, Blade Runner,

585
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Total Recall. I mean, this is huge, right, it's huge.

586
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,119
But he was a weird, kind of messed up dude.

587
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680
I sent you a video today of him talking about

588
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,759
a real life experience that he had that sounded like

589
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,759
the inspiration for the Matrix like where he was talking

590
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:33,440
about how he met this woman that had delivered something

591
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,839
to him after he'd had a tooth extracted and he

592
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,519
was still under the effects of the sodium pentahal and

593
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,039
he thought she was like some sort of angel. She

594
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,279
had an Ickc's necklace that he was like, what is that?

595
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,039
Speaker 1: Fish? What is that?

596
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,839
Speaker 2: And this guy, who was never Christian in his life,

597
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,720
suddenly after meeting this woman's believed he was living two

598
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,759
parallel lives. One is Philip K. Dick and the other

599
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,519
is a man named Thomas who was alive during the

600
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,359
events of Acts in the Bible, which he said he

601
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,960
had never read, and one of his books is based

602
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,359
upon that experience.

603
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: He's a strange dude.

604
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,559
Speaker 2: He's definitely a strange dude, and not being a financial success,

605
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:09,880
so he.

606
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,839
Speaker 1: Was in trouble with the irs, right. Yeah.

607
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: In one of the dedications in his books, he dedicated

608
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480
to a guy who helped him out when he needed

609
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,720
help paying off the irs, that guy who had never

610
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,319
met just a guy who's liked his work and wanted

611
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:23,759
to help him.

612
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Heinlein, really yes, the science fiction right now?

613
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: Yes? What?

614
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there.

615
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: You go, and again another looping connection. Ultimately, Philip K.

616
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,000
Dick would win the John W. Campbell Science Fiction Award.

617
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy, the overlap that we have in

618
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,079
all of these things. Insane.

619
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: And so you mentioned to me that while he was

620
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,039
studying on The Man in the High Castle, he came

621
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,960
across some stuff which led to the development of another story.

622
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,079
Speaker 1: Right. So he would he would go to the library

623
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,119
at cal Berkeley and just read like the dark hallway journals,

624
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,599
like the back corner stuff, right right, the stuff that

625
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,079
nobody he reads. He's back there reading and he came

626
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,000
across a bunch of journals from World War Two and

627
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,000
it was Nazi journals, right, and so he's thinking about

628
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,799
the man in the High Castle. So he's reading through

629
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,480
these Nazi journals and he reads this one guy's journal

630
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:16,519
and it says, we can't sleep because these stupid children

631
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:20,440
who are starving keep crying. And Phil k Dick is like,

632
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,880
this person who wrote these words cannot be human. It's

633
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,519
not possible. You cannot listen to starving children cry and

634
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,519
be upset that you can't sleep. That's not human behavior.

635
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,559
There's something wrong with this person. Therefore he has to

636
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:39,839
be an android. He legitimately believed this. Yes, he legitimately

637
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,920
believed this person is not human, right, and so that

638
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,319
led him to the story we know as do Android's

639
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:47,599
Dream of Electric Sheep.

640
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,319
Speaker 2: Which of course was the inspiration for our movie Blater Runner. Yep,

641
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,799
So tell you about another guy real quick. His name

642
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,359
is Hampton Fancher. Hampton Fancher, at age fifteen, ran away

643
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,480
to Spain to become a Flamenco dancer and renamed himself

644
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Mario Montejo.

645
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Why would you? Why would

646
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:09,559
you know that?

647
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: Right?

648
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: So there's good job.

649
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,839
Speaker 2: There is a deep dive on Hampton Vancher.

650
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: So, Henny Vancher's the screenwriter for Blade Run Right.

651
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,359
Speaker 2: So he had a job as an actor in westerns

652
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200
and Troy Donahue movies, The.

653
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Guy Who's named Jacked in Greece and in The Godfather yep.

654
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, he also had a couple of

655
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,880
relationships with some hotties, one of which was Barbara Hershey.

656
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,759
The other was Terry Garr.

657
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,279
Speaker 4: What mackers, thank you doctor, Let's go dude.

658
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's kind of rocking and rolling it. But

659
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,240
around nineteen seventy seven he's like, you know what, I

660
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,319
think I'd like to do some screenwriting, and that's what

661
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,880
he decides he's going to do as a full time job.

662
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,720
So he starts trying to option do Android's Dream of

663
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:59,839
Electric Sheep in nineteen seventy five. Okay, and Philip k

664
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,759
is like, I don't know who you are. I'm not

665
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,000
gonna let you make a movie. No, And so Fancher

666
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,039
goes to his buddy named Brian Kelly. Now, Brian Kelly,

667
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,240
you will know as the dad from Flipper.

668
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

669
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Brian Kelly had been involved in a motorcycle

670
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,799
accident before he was about to make a movie. It

671
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,039
left his right arm and leg paralyzed. He sued he

672
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,279
didn't get to be in the movie because he's lost

673
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480
movement on that side of his body. So he sued,

674
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,480
he got a settlement, and with that he started building

675
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,359
homes and producing movies really, and so Fancher' is like, hey, Brian,

676
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,559
I really want to make this movie.

677
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:39,519
Speaker 1: Can you help me out?

678
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,319
Speaker 2: When Brian Kelly goes, Philip Dick agrees, and Frantire gets

679
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,559
brought on to write the screenplay. Now, ultimately, Kelly would

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,759
later enlist the support of Michael Deeley, who wrote The

681
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:55,039
Deer Hunter. Yes, and they made Fancher an executive producer,

682
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,920
and he was obviously still largely involved, but he is

683
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,039
kind of the catalyst that brought this book into movie world, right,

684
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,839
But he as executive producer ended up having a ton

685
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,359
of disagreements with Ridley Scott. And Ridley Scott even brought

686
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,759
on his own guy named David Peeples, who you will

687
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,400
know from writing The Unforgiven and Twelve Monkeys and rework

688
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,319
the script. And rework the script. Now we're going to

689
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,960
talk about the big question of Blade Runner, right, the

690
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880
big the big question where Ridley Scott is on one

691
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,519
side and Fancher is on the other side on this one. Right,

692
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,440
So you've got the guy who wrote the original script

693
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,279
and the guy who directed the movie and they say

694
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:34,200
opposing things.

695
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. So and Harrison Ford with Fancher as well. Yeah,

696
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,039
by the way, Fancher and Peoples. When Ridley Scott brought

697
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,400
in Peoples to help out with the screenplay, Fancher's like, you,

698
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,559
f you and f you. I don't need this fan project.

699
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,119
And he really got his feelings hurt. And so when

700
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,519
Will Peoples met him, he was like, Hey, we kind

701
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,279
of need to talk through, you know, some stuff, and

702
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,640
he's like, I really did not expect to like this

703
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,240
guy at all. And they became like best. Oh that's awesome.

704
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,880
You know that is awesome. Yeah.

705
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,599
Speaker 2: Apparently Fancher when he would try to rewrite, he was

706
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,360
so slow that the production crew would call him happen faster.

707
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,559
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know where the name blade Reunner comes from?

708
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,519
Tell me Okay. The title comes from a book by

709
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,840
a guy named Alan Norse, and he wrote a book

710
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,960
called The Blade Runner, and this is about someone who

711
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,599
sells illegal surgical instruments on the black market. Yeah. Really,

712
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,000
Scott's like, that's a really cool name. A whole lot

713
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,360
better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? And so

714
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,440
he optioned the title from that guy and it became

715
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,039
Blade Runner. Now listen to this. So here's the names

716
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,599
considered for Blade Runner. Okay, so do Androids Dream of

717
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,079
Electric Sheep not a great movie title. So he thought

718
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:52,639
about Android Macanismo that sucks dangerous days? Okay, okay, how

719
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,599
about this one? Really? Scott said, hey, how about we

720
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:55,480
call it Gotham City.

721
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

722
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,519
Speaker 1: Bob Kane is like, nope, yeah, not happening. Yeah, right,

723
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,480
So that's when he bought the title from the book

724
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,400
and called it Blade Runner.

725
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: So the name blade Runner literally has nothing to do

726
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,679
with the original story. It is a completely unrelated.

727
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: Story, right. Yeah.

728
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,039
Speaker 2: And they didn't want the title do Androids Dream of

729
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,559
Electric Sheet because that's way too freaking long. But not

730
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,840
only did they not want it, the word android became

731
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,280
a you're not allowed to say this word. On the

732
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
set of the movie, like Ridley Scott said, we had

733
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,559
a few impermissible words, and one of them is android.

734
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,280
If you said that word, you get a baseball back

735
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:36,639
to the head.

736
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,159
Speaker 1: Not literally. That's interesting. Well, I do know that the

737
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,840
word that they added in his place was replicant. Yeah,

738
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,599
I mean Star Wars was huge and r g D

739
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,840
two and c threepo are droids, yep androids?

740
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he considered the misuse of the term

741
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:56,119
android and what had gone on with it in the past,

742
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,400
and he was like, I don't want that for this

743
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,719
group of people that we have, these pseudo humans that

744
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,119
we have.

745
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: We need a different name for him.

746
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: So replicants and if you're less formal skin.

747
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Jobs, that's good.

748
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: So we've got Ridley Scott who has just done Alien,

749
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,599
which is what allowed the thing to be greenlit. Yes,

750
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,960
we've got a script that has been worked and reworked

751
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,480
based on a book by a guy whose Looney Tunes

752
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,440
as can be. Yes, And so how do we get

753
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,039
to et from here?

754
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,599
Speaker 1: How do we get to et from here? Good? Be

755
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,679
good time?

756
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: That too, Okay, So here's something that's interesting to me.

757
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:36,559
Speaker 4: Right.

758
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,639
Speaker 2: So when they cast Blade Runner, yes, Indiana Jones was

759
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:44,480
not a name that anybody knew. Yes, isn't that crazy?

760
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:46,880
Because when I watched this movie the first time, I

761
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,719
was like, I can see how people who had just

762
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,639
seen Raiders of the Lost Arc would have been extremely

763
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:55,360
disappointed with Blade Runner because it's an entire like he's

764
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
not He's not Indy at all, right, and he's not

765
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,880
Han Solo, right. But at the time time they cast him,

766
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,239
nobody knew who Indy was. Harrison Ford was just doing

767
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,000
well right, yes, And so just before he had filmed

768
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,719
this movie, he filmed that movie, he filmed Raiders of

769
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:22,280
the Lost Dark. And while they were filming Raiders of

770
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,800
the Lost Dark, he had his wife with him. She

771
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,440
was friends with Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg is out in

772
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,559
the desert looking at old seashells because he said it

773
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,079
used to all be ocean, right, And he's talking to

774
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,400
this wife of Harrison Ford named Melissa Mathieson. Yes, and

775
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,039
he says, I've had this idea since I was a

776
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,800
little kid, and I would love for you to help

777
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,320
me out with.

778
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,519
Speaker 1: The fact alone that et is birthed in Tunisia while

779
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,800
they're shooting my favorite movie of all time. Has anyone

780
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,840
had two bigger movies back to back like that?

781
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,039
Speaker 2: Well, keep in mind, Alien became a movie because of

782
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,760
Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Arc became a movie

783
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,480
because Steven Spielberg and George Lucas were building a sand

784
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,119
castle on the beach in Hawaii, yep, just after Star

785
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,840
Wars had been released, and Steven Spielberg said, I'd really

786
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,119
liked to direct a James Bond movie, and George Lucas said,

787
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,760
don't do that. I've got a better idea direct my

788
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,480
movie instead, and that became Raiders of the Lost Ark.

789
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:26,039
Speaker 1: It's incredible, right, incredible. By the way, Harrison Ford when

790
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,960
he auditioned for the part of Rick Deckard in Blade Runner,

791
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,559
he showed up with a fedora and a leather jacket

792
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,599
straight from the set of Raiders of Lost Ark. And really,

793
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,920
Scott's like, huh, you're doing this little project with George

794
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,920
Lucas and Steven Spielberg. I guess maybe we should take

795
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,159
you seriously. So Steven Spielberg wanted to do a story

796
00:38:46,679 --> 00:39:10,000
about a boy and an alien. He also wanted to

797
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,800
do a story about divorce. He had experienced divorce when

798
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,119
he was fifteen. His father left the family and it

799
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,360
was him and his two younger sisters, I believe, and

800
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000
it had a profound impact on his family and he

801
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,400
fell alone and sad. And so it just so happened

802
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,880
that these two projects coincided, and it's fascinating too, because

803
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920
he's like, I don't really care about this being commercial.

804
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,519
This is a project I want to do. I don't

805
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,360
know if people like it. It's kind of like a

806
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,440
Disney movie. It was his small movie, like he considered

807
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,000
it his small movie. And if you think about it,

808
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
it really is. I mean it all takes place in

809
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,480
the suburbs and the woods. You're not on the.

810
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: Deck of a starship, that's right. You are not in

811
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,960
deepest darkest Africa or in the deserts of the Middle East.

812
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,960
I mean it's at a little kid's house, right, that's it.

813
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Yes.

814
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,599
Speaker 2: So we mentioned before in her Godfather episode that George

815
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,800
Lucas was partners with a guy in their first production studio,

816
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,559
and that guy was Francis Ford Coppola. Yes, well, Francis

817
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,159
Ford Coppola. After he made The Godfather, he made a

818
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,159
little movie called The Black Stallion.

819
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:16,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

820
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: You know who helped him write that script, Melissa Matheson.

821
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:23,199
Melissa Matheson, You've got a boy who finds an animal,

822
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,920
befriends it, falls in love with it, and ultimately the

823
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,280
story revolves around that relationship.

824
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Right. That's fascinating.

825
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,039
Speaker 2: And so when Steven Spielberg is in the desert looking

826
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,119
for seashells. Talking to Melissa Matheson, He's like, I really

827
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,719
loved what you did with Francis on the Black Stallion.

828
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,800
I've got this idea for a story where a boy

829
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,679
finds an alien.

830
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I will love you for you to write it. Maybe

831
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,599
an el for Leprechawn.

832
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:53,639
Speaker 2: There's nothing like that, Penis Bla Elliot and she says no, really, yeah,

833
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,440
she said no. She's like, no, I don't really, I'm

834
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,880
not interested in doing that. And so Spielberg, after Raiders,

835
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,880
tries to write it. He and Kathleen Kennedy worked together

836
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,719
to try to write it. They're not getting anywhere with it,

837
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,760
and so finally they just pressure and pressure on Alyssa Matheson,

838
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,599
and finally she relents. She's like, okay, I will write

839
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,119
it for you, and so she spends eight weeks eight

840
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,239
weeks writing the first draft. She sends him the first draft.

841
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,840
After he reads it, he runs into Kathleen Kennedy and said,

842
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,159
this is it. This is the script. We don't need

843
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:27,079
to do any rewrites. This is the script. We will shoot.

844
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,000
It is shoot script ready. That never happens, That never happens.

845
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,079
I mean we're talking about two months. Last than two months,

846
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,760
she writes what essentially is the entire movie of ET

847
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,800
the Extraterrestrial.

848
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. I love it. That's a great story. By

849
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,199
the way, we did mention this. Melissa Matheson married to

850
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,280
Harrison Ford. Yeah, she's not the Hollywood glamorous woman that

851
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,679
you might think, not at all.

852
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,599
Speaker 2: And I remember when I looked at her the first

853
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,039
time and I was like wow. I mean, Harrison Ford

854
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,480
is regarded as, you know, Hollywood handsome, you know, big

855
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,960
time leading man, and she's not, like you said, not

856
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,639
classically beautiful Hollywood style. But I got to watch a

857
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,519
lot of them behind the scenes stuff because she was

858
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,079
always on set. The rewrites that they did, they would

859
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,360
do as they were shooting the movie, and she was

860
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,480
there and talking to the kids the whole time. I mean,

861
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:18,639
she grew up raising Harrison's kids and had kids of

862
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,960
her own and babysat kids and said all of those

863
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,239
conversations that she would overhear became a part of the script.

864
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,239
But as I watched her talk to these kids, she

865
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,880
has an infectious smile and personality. I can see how

866
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,440
anybody could fall in love with her.

867
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: That's great. I saw those two and after you had

868
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,480
said that to me, we were talking on the phone

869
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,800
and I watched them behind the scenes with ETM like, totally,

870
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,440
she's wonderful. Yeah, she just she beams joy. Yeah, which

871
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,960
is oddly enough, Harrison Ford does not beam joy.

872
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: No, but that's typically the way those marriages go, right,

873
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,480
you know, you get the joy for one and you

874
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:55,360
got the old grump.

875
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: So Steven Spielberg takes that screenplay and goes to Columbia

876
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,360
and says, hey, I've got a screenplay I want to do.

877
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,639
It's about a boy and an alien. You're gonna love it.

878
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,880
It's great. They look at it and they're like, I

879
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,159
think we're going to pass on this one. There's another

880
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:14,400
movie we're going to do instead, called Starman by John Carpenter. Yeah. Right, yeah,

881
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,599
that came out in eighty four. But they said, listen,

882
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:18,360
we're not going to stop you from making this. We'll

883
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,320
give it back to you. So he goes to Sid

884
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,280
Sheinberg at Universal, his mentor, the mentor, the guy who

885
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,480
he did Jaws with, guy who hired him to be

886
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,519
their full time director at the youngest age of any director. Yes, yeah,

887
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,079
Sid Sheinberg, who also goes on to do jos for

888
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:34,760
which we'll talk about here in just a few weeks.

889
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920
His wife is the wife the main she's the star

890
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719
of the movie. Yes, okay, can't wait to get into

891
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:41,960
that one.

892
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: I can't believe of all of the Sid Sinberg movies,

893
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,039
you're laying Jaws four onbody. Okay, go ahead, take the good.

894
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: With the bad. All right. Sid is like, this is great,

895
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,000
we want to do this. Yeah, I believe in you.

896
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,480
Let's do this. So he has to pay Columbia get

897
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,719
this one million dollars and five percent at the box office.

898
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,039
Oooh okay, okay. Columbia is like, we'll give to you

899
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,039
for a million bucks and five percent of whatever you

900
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,360
make on it, this little crappy little Disney alien thing

901
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,320
that you're working on. Okay. Now, John Vetch, the president

902
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,079
of Columbia, said they made more on that five percent

903
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,599
of et m HM than they made on any of

904
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,719
their movies that entired you. Wow. Five percent of ET

905
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,679
worth more. Wow. Now. Then we'll talk about reception here

906
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
in a minute, but basically what we know is that

907
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,559
The Thing and Blade Runner and a lot of other movies,

908
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,599
let's be honest, Yeah, got swallowed up in the tsunami

909
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:33,960
that was et that summer.

910
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,119
Speaker 2: Let's be clear about this. Blade Runner and The Thing

911
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,719
were considered to be failures. Yeah, drop dead fail yours,

912
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,760
and both do in large part to the success of

913
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,840
E t Now You've got You've got movies that spent

914
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,239
tons of money on special effects and had incredible stories

915
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,639
and what ultimately become highly regard art movies that got

916
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,280
kicked to the curve by a little movie about a

917
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960
boy who finds an alien. Okay, we are almost at

918
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,239
the end of our time for this episode, but before

919
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,800
we go, we need to have our Shirley showcase.

920
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,679
Speaker 1: This week. We've got our good friend Travis Lasley and

921
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,760
he must to weigh in on one of our former matchups.

922
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to tell us his opinion on Licensed

923
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,519
to Ill versus Raisin Hell. That's an episode we did

924
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,480
last November with our good friend mister deaf Dave. Let's

925
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,559
hear what Travis has to say.

926
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 4: Hello, Shirley, you can't be serious fans. My name is

927
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,119
Travis and I have on my yellow ingred Adidas, so

928
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,159
it's time to get ill. I'm here to talk about

929
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,039
Raising Hell versus Licensed Ill.

930
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Now, I don't.

931
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,519
Speaker 4: Wrap and I can't teach anyone anything they didn't learn

932
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,480
from Death Dave, Jason, and d during their extensive four

933
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,159
part series. But I hope to bring a unique perspective

934
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,599
to the conversation. I was born in rural Indiana. My

935
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360
backyard was a cornfield and across the street was a

936
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,280
Christmas tree farm, so I wasn't stepping out my front

937
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door to a corncopria culture. Let's just say I watched

938
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a lot of TV and movies. Being the youngest in

939
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my family, I was the TV remote control and my

940
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sister's video music alarm, and she would often tell me

941
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to watch MTV and come get her when bon Jovie

942
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or whatever the hottest new video her and her friends

943
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wanted to watch came on. During this time, I started

944
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to see videos for run DMC and The Beastie Boys.

945
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It reminded me of my favorite movies on HBO at

946
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the time, Breakin', Break In Two, and of course Barry

947
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Gordy's The Last Dragon. It was awesome and their style

948
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and beats just spoke to me. I was only seven

949
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years old at the time, and even kids in my

950
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school were bringing these tapes to listen to during indoor

951
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,039
Recess while we traded garbage pail kids. These two albums

952
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mean a lot to me and bring back more memories

953
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than any other. I'm mentioning this because I'm not ready

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to pick apart one of these two albums, but I

955
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want everyone to know that I literally grew up with

956
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both of these albums in my life since second grade.

957
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These albums mirror each other in so many ways, but

958
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one shines just a little bit brighter than the other.

959
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And my vote goes for License to Ill. And here

960
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are three reasons why I came to this conclusion. Number one,

961
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DJ Double R. Yes, Rick Rubin himself got better, having

962
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worked with Ello, Cooljay Run, DMC, and Slayer already, it

963
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,920
is clear that he evolved as a producer. The sounds

964
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on Licensed Dill are clean and more polished than Rick's

965
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previous perks. Reason number two, there is no margin for

966
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error in this competition, and the worst song on either

967
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album is Perfection. I still listen to this song every

968
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time I put on this tape. Yes, I did say tape,

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but it does not belong on an album the caliber

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of Raising Hell. Reason three, and this one hurts. I

971
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have a lot of mixed emotions about what I'm going

972
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to say next. I love a crossover, and Walk This

973
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,599
Way is the best crossover since the Harlem glob Chotters

974
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went to Gilligan Viole. That being said, the fact that

975
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the best song on your album is essentially a cover

976
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and the original band that is helping you is Strike three.

977
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This song changed everything and I love it. But Licensed

978
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to ill has no covers, and it's the reason it

979
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rained supreme. I would like to take a minute and

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00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,880
thank Jason and d The last few years have been tough.

981
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Speaker 1: On a lot of people.

982
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Speaker 4: During that time, I have been entertained not only by them,

983
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but some of their suggestions. The thirty something meter movie podcast,

984
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the soundtrack show, buzz In the Tatler, the Vintage Video podcast,

985
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and of course the podcast Full of Kryptonite, which itself

986
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is the best crossover since Chubby Checker and the Fat

987
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,119
Boys did the Twist. Add all that up and it's

988
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around one thousand hours of entertainment when a lot of

989
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,840
us really needed it. Thank you, and I can't wait

990
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to hear what comes next.

991
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Speaker 2: Wow, that was the best early showcase since Mork and

992
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:44,719
Mindy went over to Happy Day.

993
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Speaker 1: I loved that. That was fantastic. Thank you, Travis.

994
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: Travis has been a listener for a very long time

995
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and we truly appreciate the friendship that has developed with Travis.

996
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What a great showcase loved.

997
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really nice, and thank you for that compliment,

998
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and thank you for endorsing our good friends other podcasts

999
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that we've made friends with.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, that does it for Part one of ET

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Versus The Thing Versus Blade Runner, be sure to join

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us next week for part two, where we will get

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into casting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about cast, we're going to

1005
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talk about development, we'll talk about the directors. It's going

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to be great. Come back for part two next week.