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Speaker 1: Hello Las Vegas, Hello world, Hell about my loyal minions.
It is good to see you, and it's always good
to be seen. The show is another iffing podcast. I
am your host? Is he Presley? It's good to see you,
and it's been a little while, it's been a couple
of weeks. Last show, Oh my god, it's so ironic
that the last show I did sitting next to me
is my good friend Chris Hockey. The first time we've
ever not the first time we've ever been a microphone together.
That happened today, That happened this morning. And but the
last show was Nate Peck, the guy who's filling in
for CJ. Snare, And we're on the mall, on the
on the Blue Cruise, and the news came out on Sunday.
He passed away on Friday. The news came out on
Sunday that CJ Snare from Firehouse died. And I always
opened the show like this Chris and the words, where's
my close personal friend Stone Call stay Austin, gonna crack
one for the working man, But right now we're gonna
crack it for CJ.
Speaker 2: Snare. Ah, cheers, rest and peace.
Speaker 5: You love the fact that I make a little golden
I absolutely do. I was gonna ask you about that.
You had to bring that one.
Speaker 1: Back with you on well every time someone because people
are always coming out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're driving. Oh good man, yeah, good good.
So this is Chris Hockey. If you are not familiar
with who Chris is, he is from Minneapolis. He is
a co host or producer.
Speaker 2: You text, that's it right now because it's you really
seem like more of a co host.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like you guys have a whole
machine going there on the Howard Trip Morning show out
of Minneapolis on the A f An is it.
Speaker 2: Is it still KA fans locally a fan radio network? Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 1: Shit changes all the time. He's a he's a musician
and his band is called Rocket Club. He also plays
with the fabulous Armadillos with some amazing, amazing musicians from
that from my town. And it's so weird how this
all just kind of came into one big circle.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: For everybody out there who doesn't know Saint Cloud is he,
I got to tell you, man, I grew up in Indiana,
so I knew nothing about Minnesota when I first moved there.
Saint Cloud is some sort of a triangle of musicianship
and rock. It's just unbelievable. Every person I know in
Saint Cloud, first of all, is an A plus musician.
Second of all, they know everybody else in Saint Cloud
and they've all played in bands together. And that extends
to you all the way out to Las Vegas and
you're spreading that everywhere. Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just insane.
Speaker 1: I mean the Thomas Brothers, yes, I mean Stretch and
Mike Zeleny and like even you know people I don't
know if you know, like a Freaky from he was
in Flip and Hairball. I don't know him, but yeah,
he's a Saint cloudy and you know it's like and
you know it was part of that. I mean, when
did you move to Minneapol ninety four? You moved it
there in ninety four, so you still got to see
the end, the last, the waning years of the real
rock and roll scene that it was, you know, so
you got to see the Iron Horse and yeah, Sharky's
and you know, the Mirage and all that kind of
good shit. But Saint Cloud was in that circle. Yeah,
it was a good press bar. Yeah, it's weird. Everybody
tells me about that scene.
Speaker 5: I did get to go to the Iron Horse right
before it closed and I saw I think Gemini there,
maybe Nightcrawler or somebody like that right towards the end
of the run there. And but yeah, I did feel
like I missed something. I miss something special. There's so
many great bands there. There's a lot of cover bands there.
Just now they're just like everywhere else, you know. But
I would love to have seen what that was like
back in the day.
Speaker 1: I would love it.
Speaker 2: And it just seems like, you know, Stretching.
Speaker 5: Those guys they talk fondly about that whole fifteen twenty
year run of musicians and just the music and the
fact that you go out on a Wednesday night like
here in Vegas, got on a Wednesday, I see a
band like I saw Tesla last night.
Speaker 2: You could see it anytime, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it was like so in like slip Twister
for instance, Stretchers band Stretch and Mike's band Phenomenal they
would play the red carpet every single Wednesday night and
it was almost assholes, right, But in the next door
like be a band playing at the Press.
Speaker 2: Oh part of me, and.
Speaker 1: It was just people went out to see love music.
And I think it is just all change. I mean,
it's changed everywhere.
Speaker 5: Wow, I'm hoping everything's cyclical because it seems like it is,
you know. I mean, I do believe eventually we're going
to start to see a return to guitar driven music
once again. And I know it might sound weird, and
it's probably controversial that a lot of people, I think,
people like Taylor Swift, who are even though she is
obviously a giant pop star and doing what she's doing,
you see her playing a guitar, and there's a little
girl and a little boy out there seeing her playing
guitar and saying, oh, I can learn to play guitar.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be cyclical. The music's going to.
Speaker 5: Come back around and again, maybe ten years from now,
maybe twenty, maybe after we're gone, there's gonna be places
like the Preston Saint Cloud where somebody's picking up a
guitar for the first time on a Wednesday night and
trying to lead lead themselves to start them That's what
I'm hoping for.
Speaker 2: Did you say, Taylor Swift? Yeah, but Joe, that's what
you call. No, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Actually, I
didn't know if I could go there on this, but.
Speaker 1: Oh no, dude, it's called another fucking podcast, Chris, come on,
you know, but sometimes you don't want it. Plus, but
you also have a very important job, so I don't
want you to get in trouble by saying something stupid.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the bottom night is this. I've trained
myself the best I possibly can't. This is in front
of my face. I have to say too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yess. You do it once and it becomes easier
and easy and needs Oh I know, trust me, Yeah,
trust me. When I first time and I opened up
this thing and I could swear all that I wanted,
Oh yeah, it just it takes the almost takes the fun.
It's like Stern when he went to satellite. He cleaned up.
Yeah he did, and it kind of take the fun
out of it. Yeah you know, well actually he cleaned up,
but he also was able to extend it and say
fuck due. It's an interesting case study. I love Stern.
Speaker 5: I love radio, man, I know you do too. I
just I love the broadcast medium. I love me everything
about it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I just love the communication. Stern I thought was really
really interesting because everybody expected him to come out on
Sirious or on XM Serious. Back in the day and
just go crazy, and he did to some extent, right,
But how bright is he to say, I'm gonna not
do it. I'm not gonna go too far, I'm not
going to alienate people. I'm gonna just do a good
radio show. He is better today than he was when
I was bored opping his show into Minneapolis when I
started nineteen.
Speaker 1: Years board opping Stern say, I remember that I was
working at FOD then and all he all he did
was come on a barade, freaking tomber Hart.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: He did it in every single market he went to,
and it did they It did not work in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: Minneapolis, you know, another case study as somebody who just
loves radio and I don't want to go too deep
in the weeds.
Speaker 2: Form No, I don't know. I love this. This needs
to be talked about. And so I was out of radio.
Speaker 5: My wife and I had just moved to Minneapolis from
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and I was out of radio.
Speaker 2: She had she worked at City ninety seven.
Speaker 5: She was the program director at this great radio station
in Minneapolis for nineteen years. Started these huge things like
the Basilica Block party in the city Sampler, all these giants. Yeah, yeah,
And so I had been out of radio and raising
our son as a stay at home dad, and I
got a call one day they were going to blow
up this entire country radio station and change it to
a rock station. Oddly enough, on one hundred point three, which
is the signal I work on right now in k
But they needed somebody who wasn't in radio at all,
who could come in and be the only employee at
this new radio station. And that's when I found out
they were and Howard Stern, and to take down Tom Bernard.
Now Tom Bernard, as you know, was there was no
one like him. His numbers in Minneapolis were bigger than
what Howard Stern's were in New York. Obviously more competition,
but right impossible to beat him. And so they brought
him in specifically for that and paid him well, and
he attacked and attacked and attacked, and Tom did the
smart thing, decided not to acknowledge it at all, and
it just didn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like I said, it worked everywhere,
but I don't know in those other markets if they
did acknowledge it, yeah, right, you know, and I totally
forgot that Bernard didn't acknowledge it because I was listening
to Starn.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah. We did everything we could to
distract him. He wouldn't do it. And you know, I
think there's also something in Minnesota specifically, but mostly everywhere.
But they didn't want somebody in New York coming in
and taking the number one spot away from Tom Bernard.
Speaker 2: People were really really against that.
Speaker 5: So that was a big listenership, but it wasn't enough
to pay him what they were paying him.
Speaker 1: So how do you make the jump then? So Stern leaves, Yeah,
and you're out of a job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Did you already have something in place when that happened?
Did you start a k fan right if for that happened?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: So well kind of because two things happened. The company
started growing and growing. At the time when I worked
at WLOL, it was just two radio stations. HUGHL Wow,
that was the station. It changed over to WQRC then
and became the rock station. That was what Stern was on.
So after they got rid of Stern, they hired this
guy Alan Cable to come in and Lee Volsvik, who
was on the top forty station with Dave Ryan, and
we built this morning show for a few years over
there and just failed miserably. But at that time I
was also doing the Motorsports show, talking NASCAR and all
things racing with Russ bo Hattie on the fan on Saturdays,
and gradually I just got to love talk radio even
more than I already had, and they asked me to
come over and work with superstar Mike Morrise. We did
an hour with a he was a former Minnesota Viking. Yeah,
we did an hour they and then they gave us
the morning show. And that was twenty three years ago.
In November. I've been doing the morning.
Speaker 1: Show and Mike Morris is sometimes gets blamed for wide
left yeah, and his fault.
Speaker 2: Well it was a good snap. I don't care what
they say.
Speaker 5: It wasn't his fault, but yeah, yeah, just another Viking
terrible memory, right.
Speaker 1: I know, obviously you're familiar with the book Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: People don't understand, they do not understand the pain of
being a Minnesota sports fan. It's really something, man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I've worked out for the Vikings for fourteen years. I
produced the radio broadcast. Yeah, and I after two thousand
and nine, when Brett Favre threw the across his body
interception against New Orleans Brandon Maleski, who is the chief
engineer for the Vikings right now, where we just looked
at each other. So we're not going to care this
much ever again, we can't do it. It hurts too
damn much for them to always break our hearts. So
I do my best to try to reel myself out
of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but thankfully.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm old enough to have been alive when
the Super bowls happened, well not the first one, yes,
but old enough to not remember, right, you know, to
young enough. But I do remember Darren Nelson jumping in
front of the pass I was man for Anthony Carter.
I do remember, you know, fucking obviously, you know, wide left.
Speaker 2: Wide left, man. I know, it just keeps happening.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, one of these years maybe, and
I hope I'm still working for the team, because I
would love to actually celebrate something one time.
Speaker 2: That's I always when.
Speaker 1: That's why I couldn't cheer the Lions because oh but
they've had it coming, No bullshit, they have. They have
eleven Stanley Cups, They've got four four MLB titles, they've
got three NBA titles, they've had their ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the Lions.
Speaker 1: But I'm also I was also jealous of Lion fan
because there was no getting the heart ripped out of
the app that you know what's coming. It's like being
a Vikings fan for you. A lot of the people
that don't understand it. Imagine being single like me, Okay,
talking to a cute gal, hot gal, sounds really fucking
hot gal. And also she starts talking to you, Oh
my god, I might have a chance. Here, here we go,
and then right at the end, boom, she has a
cock and it's over. Yeah you know, or it's not,
but yeah yeah, or if she doesn't, even if she
doesn't have a cock, she rips your heart out of
your ass and boom, there it is.
Speaker 2: It's like the my god, it's finally gonna come on.
That's it.
Speaker 5: I've written on that plane home for that game many
a time, wondering what happened to my asshole?
Speaker 2: Right exactly?
Speaker 1: What was so you were you were working with Vice
in two thousand and nine, Yeah, yeah, what was that
plane ride?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, here's the thing about those plane rides,
that I found the most festing when I started working
for the Vikings. I'm five foot six, right, I never
dreamed I would ever ride on a team NFL playing
it the greatest gig. I can't believe I get to
do it. Even fourteen years later, I still can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: The one thing that all those plane rides have in
common is they remind you that to these kids, it's
their job. They're sad, they wanted that win. Every one
of them thinks they're going to do it again next
year and they've got another shot. So I am way
sadder most of the time than the actual players are
on those On those flights, the coaches take it hard.
The players are doing their best not to get in
trouble for having too much fun on the flight home.
Speaker 1: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, a lot of times, man, Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You just wonder if that's like that in other sports.
I wonder. I think.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I know you is from
what I was doing when I was covering. I was
the sports and music strikes for X magazine. The weekly
was the newspaper, so I was at the press box. Yeah,
That's where I got to know Covi and uh and
Sauce and Halberson's everybody, yeah yeah, and Rosie and you know,
it's f Faldness and everybody. RUSSEO when he acknowledged my existence,
well yeah, I think I've been banned from Russellville. I
don't know what the hell I Did'll get you back
in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. It's not that fine anyway.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I noticed was it was the
baseball players and the hockey players that seemed like they
cared the most, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if.
Speaker 1: It's like that I mean, but I mean I remember
what I mean, the wildness of playoffs. Andrew Burnette played
on I believe it was a broken ankle for a
few games until that team was eliminated from playoff contention.
And that's I mean, that's hockey player right there. NHL
players are a different breed man. They just start.
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about baseball players, being honest, I've
not been around any MLB changed at all, But I've
been around Timberwols like because we've been the home of
the Ti Wolves off and on again. We are again now,
been around wild players a lot. And Mark Parrish is
a member of you know, of our he's the best
guy ever.
Speaker 2: But these guys go.
Speaker 5: Through injuries that I mean would be catastrophic for your normal,
everyday guy, and absolutely catastrophic for most professional athletes, and
well they just keep playing, you know. I mean, I
have a lot of respect for NHL players and anybody
who you know, even if they don't make the NHL.
College hockey players they take a hell of a beating man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, broken jaw, wire me up, coach, let's go, but
Marri's got his teeth knocked out of his face, three
of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and finish the period.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, just take him over to the trainer
and put them in milk or something.
Speaker 2: So when did you get into the music scene? Then,
I had.
Speaker 5: I grew up in a family that just loved music,
but nobody had ever been in a band, nobody played
an instruments anything like that. I grew up Indiana, right
on the border of Ohio, Indiana, a little town called
Union City.
Speaker 2: How close to where Axel grew up? I mean two
hours good ways away? Yeah, yeah, still Indiana. Yeah, there's
still wafflehose. You better believe.
Speaker 5: I'm a little over an hour and a half from Seymour, Indiana.
We're John Mellencamp. Okay, yeah, so but I just I
loved music and I wanted so badly to be a singer.
I just wanted to be in a band.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: The there was a local newspaper where there was an
ad in the paper just said, hey, we're looking for
a singer. And my mom dialed the number and handed
me the phone and I went and auditioned. I was terrible,
but nobody else auditioned, so I got the band. And
after you know, all these years, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the ten thousand hours thing actually came through for
me and I learned how to do it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so were you blessed with beer coming in? Beer
coming in coming in? Hike you some bitch? Would you
like some beer? I like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's tough. I saw that at the Goodwill.
I'm like this, some bitch looks like he would kick
your ass. Ye, then drink your beers, fire along dart,
then mount your old lady in front of you, and
then buy you beers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look at him, he's just he just did all those things.
I can see that right now. He's he's he's cleaning
a little bit of stuffing off the bottom lip is
what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right there, Yeah yeah yeah I like that.
So were you blessed? Was it? Did singing come easy
for you? You know?
Speaker 5: It came easy for me? Was getting on stage. That
was the thing I wasn't great at first. In fact,
the guys in the first band I was in love
to tell me that the only reason they hired me
is because I had a kiss T shirt on I had.
I'd just been to the asylum Asylum tol you saw
the asylum, yeah, Bruce coolick Man, Yeah, I mean right, yeah,
so I had that T shirt on. I was the
only guy who showed up for the audition. They said,
all right, you can't sing very well, but he likes
to kiss, let's hire him. So, man, I give on
how bad I was. The first year I was in
the band, we were playing Freebird in a town called Versales, Ohio,
a biker bar, and I was singing it so badly.
One of the bikers jumped on stage and took the
microphone away from me and finished the saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that deserves that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a I had many of those moments.
But you know, you learn ten thousand hours, you learn
to do, you know, and and gradually over time. I
I was moved to Dayton, Ohio, and that's when I
started my radio career, and we kept singing, and then
moved to Virginia, went to LA for a year, tried
to be a rock star out there, had a great
time with that, and just missed the whole thing, missed
the scene. But and then maybe it was like after
the Great Wall in Nirvana hit that's yeah. So I
got there in ninety two. Oh ma, at there ninety two,
I had a blast, man.
Speaker 2: You know. The crazy thing about being in La.
Speaker 5: Oh I shouldn't say La because I couldn't afford to
live in La but right outside of there, and a
couple of different places at Glendora.
Speaker 2: And Reality, Oh yeah like that, yeah right.
Speaker 5: The great thing about it at being there in ninety
two into ninety three, if there was a chance you
might be a rock star, you kind of got treated
like a rock star.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It was a fun time to be twenty one years old.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: I can imagine, dude, I can't. I can't even imagine
going into the rainbow when I was twenty one years old.
Speaker 5: I couldn't either, and when and actually doing it felt
like walking into a movie. Yeah, literally felt like walking
to movie being and again you know obviously ninety two
the scene is ending and you could feel like I
could remember seeing and actually this girl that I was
having cardinal relationships with her brother brought a cassette of
a band called Rage Against the Machine. Wow, a demo
cassette of a Rage Against the Machine, A couple of
Rage Against the Machine songs. I remember hearing that and
the things that were happening in music, it was changing.
You could feel it that everything the face of music
was changing. I knew nothing about Nirvana, but I knew
about Alison Chains.
Speaker 1: You know, here's something that I learned when I was
on the cruise. The Nelson's were talking about the changeover okay,
because and they were playing. They were performing in LA
in the early eighties.
Speaker 2: They were on Saturday Night Live before anybody knew who
they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they heard from somebody because there's just a
small group of people who run everything. Of course, with
all the labels every together, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: It happened.
Speaker 1: It started with disco. Donna Summer was making so much money.
They didn't want to keep paying people that kind of money.
So Boom Disco ends well, and then it starts and
oh there's this punk thing. Oh we don't have to
pay these fucking people anything, right, so boom there it is,
and then new wave hits and then it all, Oh geez, look,
these guys are making a ton of money. You know
how the White Snakes, the Guns and Roses, right, eh, hey, Nirvana, Yeah,
shooty little band out of Seattle, they're the new face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that.
Speaker 1: Lasts for a little while and cut yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I had never thought of that. I'd never looked
at it that.
Speaker 1: That's really something, you know.
Speaker 5: The thing about that the music that we love though,
you know those bands there was it did get obviously
had a little water down, There's no.
Speaker 2: Doubt about it.
Speaker 5: They got water down out every band was getting signed
and everything like that. And I think I'm just mad
because I missed that. But uh, but you know the
thing is, you got guys.
Speaker 2: That's the reason the music still lives. Man.
Speaker 5: They were real musicians, These are real songwriters. These were
people who cared about melody lines and cared about the
heart of music. I mean again, I'm gonna bring it
up for the second time because I loved it, and
thank you that Tesla concert last night. Man, Yeah, I've
seen them probably fifteen times in my life. They were
as good, if not better, than I've ever seen them
last night. And the first time I ever saw him
was opening for David Lee Roth at Haro Arena and Dayton, Ohio.
They opened with the same exact song, coming at You Live.
I mean, it was a great moment last night, and
I'm thinking, as I'm sitting there watching these guys play,
no wonder they were stars, No wonder they made it.
Speaker 1: They were great then, they're great now. These guys were
meant to play music. They were They were like the
working man of eighties rock because they didn't do the makeup.
Speaker 2: They didn't do the hair.
Speaker 1: I mean they had long hair, but they didn't do
the hair. They didn't do the spandex and everything that's
stereotyped now overly stereotype. Now they're out there in fucking
jeans and always. Then it was just gritty, great melody,
rock and roll man and the guitar work. Frankie's so good,
still so good, just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You had the gentleman.
Speaker 5: Who the other guitar player on your show? Yeah, damn rude, Yeah, yeah,
my god, that guy gets out on that last Paul
and he's just killing his eyes night.
Speaker 2: He's amazing. That's one of my favorite bands all time.
Speaker 5: And I love it when you go see a band
that you had, you know, you love and they start
playing those songs. They played h Love Me last night,
you know, and I don't think I ever got to
see him play that.
Speaker 2: Side they did. Did they do a new song last night?
They did a brand new song? Was It was great?
It was great.
Speaker 5: It was kind of a melody, a melodic song, and
you could tell, you know, Eddie Trunk was there last night.
Your friend was there last night. And I kept seeing
Jeff kind of looking over emotioning. You could tell he
was singing it for him, so you can here. But
I thought it was great, and I those guys just
write great songs. What else matters? Exactly what matters. We're
both gonna see the same thing, except different shows.
Speaker 2: Tonight.
Speaker 1: You're gonna go see Scorpions ye with and have you
ever seen an ugly kid Joe Liver scene? You are
going to fucking love their live show.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 1: I saw him once and that was when they're on
Ozzy Osbourne's No More Tours tour. It was them slaughter
Ozzy Osbourne. That was No More Tears tour and they
were fucking great. And I just remember at the end
to the show, the singer's name is why, Why is
it why? Uh uh? He's gonna kick me next time
he sees me. But it's all good, but he said,
all he says is Ozzy Osbourne's fucking god.
Speaker 2: He threw the micro Now they disappeared.
Speaker 1: Always so much fun that band, but you But I
I had the guitar player, Klaus and the bass player
on the show when they were here last April with Fozzy,
and I had. I hadn't seen them since the early nineties.
And then I go see him. It's like, oh fuck,
I forgot.
Speaker 2: How cut these guys on? I love that. I'm yeah.
And strangely enough, I've never seen Scorpions either. Really. My
first time seeing.
Speaker 1: Scored My first Big Boys show was the Monsters of
Rock tour in nineteen eighty eight. There's somebody in this
apartment with us right now who also saw that show.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: My manager Sarah Jane over there, She's told me, because
she's the biggest Metallica fan I've ever seen, the biggest
Metallica fan I've ever known. And I'm talking old school Metallica. Yeah,
so I've heard a lot.
Speaker 1: About that show as somebody who was not a Metallica
fan right at the time, Yeah, I had. I think
I know who they were, but I didn't know them
enough to recognize any of the music shares. Obviously it's
not on the road one to one played played them
from time to time, like.
Speaker 2: For the belt Holes or whatever.
Speaker 1: But my first like real experience in Metallica was the
MTV special that they did about the tour and they're
you know, the live clip they played on there was Sanitarium, man,
and I thought it was Death by Stereo.
Speaker 2: You know, and Kingdom come came on. They blew me away.
Speaker 1: They were phenomenal funck all the haters, well, they're still
like Zeppelin, who doesn't you know everybody does. He did
a great job being dude. That's uh, Come come to
me now. I want to be your best friend. Fall time,
I'll be the shout of Volu tears.
Speaker 5: Man, did they you still play? I'm not se they
really have seen them anywhere. Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and then Metallica came on and I just remember
and we were just talking about this but wearing too much.
But sometimes I used to start going and I can't stop.
I would never do that on live radio, by the way,
but I remember talk at the stage and my jaw
hit the ground. I looked at my buddy Bobber, I go,
what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Wow? And they're playing song. I had no idea what
the hell it was.
Speaker 1: And I distinctly remember James Setfield coming up to the
mic for I didn't even know what song it was
because I didn't know any of the songs. And we're
gonna play some older ship for you. Now, see if
you can figure out what the fuck it is. I'm like, oh,
thank you, But it's brand new to me.
Speaker 2: It's brand new. It was all new to me. And
then then they played Santa Tram and.
Speaker 1: There I am dead Bosterio a idiot. But you know,
they played new Ship off of Justice because that was
the summer before Justice came out, and I went out.
I bought puppets next day. I was I love that.
Speaker 5: God damn I missed those times that was fun when
you go to see a concert and you just you
can't wait till the record store opens the next man, Yeah,
we had a We had a record store called Stonehenge.
The closest one was in Monsey, Indiana, about forty minutes away.
I remember watching Headbanger's Ball. You had Ricky Rockman on
your show watching Headbanger's Ball. The night he had Axel
and Slash on And the next morning Mom took me
to Mounsey, Indiana, and I bought that Appetite.
Speaker 2: For Destruction record. How many times have you purchased that record?
I'm at least ten.
Speaker 1: I had the vinyl, I had the cassette and the
CD of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those you just keep buying it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk about game changers, like, obviously Nirvana did
what they did, and that kind ofies did what did.
Guns and Roses changed everything for me, man I and
I still do. By the way, I'm not taking shots
to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I loved Poison, you know, I love too. I loved
those bands. Guns and Roses was greasy Guns and Roses
for me, and then Faster pussy Cat they changed everything
for me. La Guns Obviously those guys changed everything for me.
I couldn't be pretty no matter what I did, and
my hair.
Speaker 2: Was always just shit.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell you, man, I could put like
a you know, a bandana on my head and go
out and pretend I was in a faster pussy get I.
Speaker 2: I loved that whole feeling.
Speaker 5: Those those bands towards the end, you know, the eighty six,
eighty seven, eighty eight, those bands were my favorites.
Speaker 2: You know what sold? It sold guns and roses on me.
What's that? The Live at the Rich show. Really, when
I saw that show, that's when it all changed.
Speaker 1: Because it was raw. They were hammered, they were out
of tune. But it was what they called in business magic. Yeah,
you know, they just it was just you can't you
can't even describe it. If you've never seen it. You
can see it on online, sure, but most of the
people that are gonna watch or listen to the show
have seen that.
Speaker 2: They've already seen it. They've seen it. But if you're.
Speaker 1: Slow somehow discovering this because you happen to be a
fan of the fan, sure right, that's something you need
to see.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you man, They and I've said this before,
and I get weird looks, but for me it works
in my mind. They were my rolling Stones, not my Beatles. Yeah,
they were my rolling Stones. They were the true, authentic,
real Those guys crawled out of the goddamn gutter on
the stage and started playing music that spoke to me,
man that I love all music. There's so many records
that changed my life, but that one in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's just it's like, there's there's there's
Van Halen. Yeah, you know that early and this is
what I want to you next time. Brian Oak is
in studio. Yeah, he is, said on Common Man he
never wants to hear he didn't even know it existed.
He never wants to hear the David Lee Roth version
of Tobacco Road. He never heard that.
Speaker 2: He's never heard it. Why does he? Why? What? What?
I look?
Speaker 1: I remember saw saying Van Halen's most overrated band of
all time. He says things just to piss me off.
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. I know he does, of course, But
how can you how can you dismiss Van Hale?
Speaker 5: You can't, Yeah, I mean you can't that there's so
much about that band, you know again, both versions exactly
the way they're two separate bands.
Speaker 2: It's apples and Orgies. Absolutely Lee, and then of course
Gary Sharone. You know, yeah, Gary for sure.
Speaker 5: But I that the first iteration, regardless of whether you
think he can write a song to save his life,
whether or not you you've seen him sing on days
where he wasn't fantastic David Lee Ross's top three frontmen
of all time period bottom line, love that, love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he never I mean I might as well.
I didn't even realize I drank that whole beer already.
Would you mind, surgay, please please please, I'm doing I'm
good man, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. Did you grow vagina?
Speaker 5: I wish I had, Dude, I wouldn't, I would have.
I have no fingerprints at all of any kind. No, no,
thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, no, I yeah,
I could get I don't know so. For me, music
was the thing that literally I've said this too many times.
Music saved my life. Yeah, over and over and over again.
It gave me opportunity to get out of my small town.
I grew up just in a place where I knew
I didn't belong. You know, I loved it. Fantastic place
and great people. Just what my deal man and music
got me out of there and through radio and then
the band stuff, and here I sit, I'm fifty three
years old, and.
Speaker 1: I get I'm playing with legitimately.
Speaker 5: If you out there, the Factless Armadillo is one of
the just most talented bands in the country. Yeah, I
get to do that. It's the most fun. I'm in
this great rock country band called Rocket.
Speaker 2: That's what I That's where I wanted to go next.
I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the Dillos for a second because
and it's kind of like it's a completely different monster
than Hairball. I mean Hairball, Yeah is they're putting on
the ultimate eighties rock show, the DilOS. Every show is different.
Every show has a theme, right, it is still like that,
So we do different shows.
Speaker 5: We have the party band, which goes out and basically
wherever you're at, comes to you and throw at play
songs that everybody's gonna know and everything.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 5: Then we do the theme shows you're at like right now,
I'm here, but they're doing the acousta DilOS so they're
doing the greatest caustic shows of all time. I'm part
of the the What's going On Vietnam Tribute show Wow,
so yeah, which is unbelievable. And so yeah, there's different
themes and people. People will come even if they don't
know the music, even if they're not sure what the
theme is, even if they don't like the genre, because
the band is always that good and the talent that
runs through there is unbelievable. And Greg Armstrong has built
just a incredible, incredible group of musicians and then you
know a name that again, I haven't I haven't played
a show that wasn't sold out or almost sold out
since I joined that band four years ago. Everywhere we
go it's packed. It's the greatest job of all time. Yeah,
because I just show up and sing right, everything's already
done for me. And it's the best songs in the
world from musicians you just can't believe. Yeah, it's and
like I said, there's success that they have. So it's
just started out as a oh go do this in
the theater in Sant Cloud Yeah, yeah, you know, and
Greg Armstrong's birthday party. Yeah, and it went well, So
they decided they keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just phenomenal. So the Rocket Club when
did when no Rocket Club was on hiatus for a while, Yeah, man,
and I just saw that. You guys just just did
shows like this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, just a
couple of weeks ago. Now, how long were you on hiatus?
What was the cause for the hiatus?
Speaker 1: We were on hiatus for eight years, you know. And
actually the last time I saw you before I left,
I think was at a Rocket Club show at Lake
George and Sat Cloud.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, there you go, Yeah exactly the summertime by George. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So so Rocket Club is this this band we invented
our own genre. There's Southern rock. We're a North country band,
you know. Okay, So when we first started, we were
a songwriting team of guys who would get together sort
of like the Tuesday Night music club, Right, We get
together on Wednesdays at Matt Kirkwald's house and just play guitar.
Speaker 2: And love Matt.
Speaker 5: I love he's a brilliant, brilliant game, and just sing
songs and play songs. And then we started writing things
and we were more of a triple a band, more
of a like in the Vein of the Bodines, a
band of you know those kind of bands that you
would get on City twenty seven, something like that. But
we were given a poem by a gentleman who had
lost a daughter and to a childhood disease, a very hard,
just wrenching poem, and he asked if we could make
a song out of it. So Joel and Don and
Matt got together and wrote this song. It was called
One More Day and just a really really great song,
a great tribute to a child and to a parent's
love for a child. And I'll never forget it. Sarah Jane,
my manager, who has been with me for twenty three years,
we're on our way to play a show in Duluth
and her phone rang and it was somebody from Billboard
magazine and he says, we're all in the band together
going to Duluth. And he says, hey, I need information
about your band. They're going to be on the Billboard
Country charts. We did not we did not know we
were a country band. But One More Day got picked
up by Kiwano two locally in the Twin Cities and
then spread across the nation and station in San Antonio
started playing, a station in Tempe started playing it, and
we made the top fifty of the bill.
Speaker 2: Whah country unsigned band. We did that three times.
Speaker 1: Wow yeah, really shit.
Speaker 5: It was crazy. And you know, by that time, I
was thirty eight, thirty nine. I'd given up on the
idea that I was ever going to be a rock star.
You know, my kind of music had passed, and I
was just glad to be in a band. Well, Matt's
pitched to me when he asked me if I wanted
to be in rocky club was would you ever want
to be in a band.
Speaker 1: That was like the Eagles?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, how can we do that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So from that moment until we get that call about
the Billboard Country charts a month and a half later,
less than that, but I had to think about it
because I've telled this story from time to time. And
but about a month and a half later, we're standing
on stage at the Grand Old Opry and I know
nothing about country music, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, Wow, I nothing.
Speaker 5: We we started getting these calls from management and such
because you're an unsigned country band and making the Billboard charts.
Speaker 2: You're out of Minnesota. Yeah, So standing there.
Speaker 5: With you know, the night Eric Church was playing there
for maybe his first or second time. Big and Rich
are playing that night, Little Jimmy comes out and introduces
himself to us. I mean from in that van on
the way to the Looth to play Papa Charlie's and
at Lutsen to standing on stage thinking, oh my gosh,
this might happen. So then we really hit the pedal,
started releasing records and we had another song called One
Thing Beautiful made the Billboard County Charts, and then another
song called North Country that we wrote made the Billboard
Country Charts. And we started doing showcases and we got real,
real close, real real close. And the last one we
did was at thirdon Linsley in Nashville, Great Club. It
was for Sony Nashville, and they flew everybody in from
Sony New York as well, and just people from Sony
in there. And if you've ever played a showcase, man,
I have not the weirdest thing in your life, because
everything you ever wanted in your life is laying there
in front of you. Yeah, people who can literally change
your life. Even though at that point now I'm over
forty years old, I can't believe any of this is happening.
Speaker 1: All right, hold on, I'm gonna put this in layman terms. Yeah,
Elle McPherson in front of you, Yeah, on her back,
butt naked, spread eagle, saying, give me the time of
my life.
Speaker 2: But if it sucks, bye bye, bye bye. That's exactly right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I know going in in that case, I
got nothing for her, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought I had a chance here.
Speaker 5: If al McPherson I would just I'd probably already be
done by the time she said those words to me,
to be honest with.
Speaker 2: Him, to Detroit. Yeah, but that makes sense to me.
Speaker 5: Take him to Detroit, take him somewhere, just get him
away from alb mcpeery. So you get on stage and
there's this was a bigger one. There's about twelve people
in front of you, and and it's a place that
holds four hundred and you've got to do your show
as if you're on stage at Madison's. Yeah, you know,
and we did. Man, we killed it, killed it. One
of my best shows ever. The music was great by
that time, this band, we were playing country festivals all ooh, yeah,
you were tight. Billy Thomas was our drummer. He's a
drumber for Hair and Johnny Lang exactly. And so we're
just nailing things and we get done. We go backstage
at Thirton Lensley. Our management team from Nashville comes into
the backstage area. Congratulations your sony music artists. Congratulations.
Speaker 2: And at that moment, I you know, literally what do
you do? When are your dreams come true? Right?
Speaker 5: Like Willie Wanka says, So the next day at one
o'clock they're going to get the other and sign the
PaperWorks and they'll bring us down for the official signing
CEREMONI and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The next day.
Speaker 5: So and by the way, I have to drive home
after this because it's a mid early afternoon. So I
had to drive home because I had to do the
morning show the next morning. Of course, I drove all
night with Luke Kramer, who was the guitar player for
g BU lighting for some and then was for Rocket Club.
Speaker 2: Drove all night long thinking what am I gonna do?
I gotta take a leave of absence.
Speaker 1: I got kids, you know, I mean, I've yeah, but
I'm going, man, this is it, that's finally happened.
Speaker 5: This is going to happen for me. One o'clock the
next day comes and goes. Two o'clock, the next day
comes and goes, three o'clock, comes and goes. A little
after three, we finally get a call and she says,
I think her name was LORII. She says, I'm sorry. Guys,
they passed.
Speaker 2: They passed, but they told us.
Speaker 5: They just told us, not even twenty four hours ago
that we were signed, said they. It came down to
the head of Sony Music Nashville, and he said, I
love the band, I love their music, I love everything
about them, but they're just too damn old.
Speaker 2: That was it, and that was it, man.
Speaker 5: And I tell you, if they had said the singer's
too fat, I've lost weight, and said you needed more songs,
we'd have wrote more sons. The thing they would we
could have changed anything else. You can't change that, you know.
And that broke my heart. And we were together for
another year and released some, in my opinion, some of
our best songs in the year after that. But that
was the moment that broke up the band, that broke
my heart, you know. It was they dangled the carrot
and then I had the care to my hand for
a moment and then it was just ripped out of
my hand. And and you know, I've had a great
life since then, and some things have happened that I'm
really really happy that, you know, everything.
Speaker 1: Turned out the way it was supposed to. But that
just killed me. It's so sad. And this shows how
big of a rube I am. In my head right now,
all it can hear is PA, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't believe man. I'll tell you that was.
Speaker 5: That was a heartbreaker, It really was. And you know, we,
like I said, we did this thing. Then after that
for the next year, and that was twenty thirteen, we
wrote a song and released a song every month the
entire year, wrote and released a brand new song, and
then we made it in a record called the Lucky
thirteen Record. But by the end of that record, we
weren't even talking to each other. Oh wow, we were
so mad at each other. I still contend that it
all sprung from the heartbreak. Yeah, you know, each of
you blaming the other well, you know, and and so
we I didn't speak to any of them, any of.
Speaker 1: Them for eight years. Wow. And I didn't even listen
to the music for four years. Wow.
Speaker 5: I got, you know, I kept I started the Chris
Hocky band and it had some fun doing that. Worked
my ass off to try to build that up to
the level that we were for Rocket Web.
Speaker 2: Was that was that a cover band?
Speaker 5: Was original, all original, Yeah, and a lot of it.
I farmed out of Nashville, got Jason Perry. I don't
know if you know Jason, but he lives down in Nashville,
and he would find me some songs and I was
writing some songs, had a great band. Took a while
to build back up to that again, and then I
got a job to and television for AMZOYL Championship snow
Cross and I was doing that and still working for
the Viking, still doing my radio stuff, and gradually just
started to heal a little bit.
Speaker 2: And poof eight years.
Speaker 5: Later, Don's wife decided to throw him a fiftieth birthday
party and we all met in his garage and surprised
him and started talking again, and you know, released a
lot of the tension and realized, you know, all the
silly things that you when you when you when you
forget the reason you're doing music and you start doing
music for the chase of the record deal. And instead
of doing it for the love of the music. Everything
gets perverted, man, everything, And that's what happened to us,
and it broke us up. And now we're back together.
We did a new record and turned out great, and
we get to play about twenty shows a year together and.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: That dude, that's awesome because there's something that people need
to realize. No matter how old you are. Remember why
you started playing music, One for the trim and two Yeah,
because it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, if you're not having fun, you're in the
wrong business man. Yeah, why would you do it? You know,
It's not like most of us aren't going to get
rich doing it. No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm up there every time, even to this day.
Every time i'm up there, I'm pretending I'm Sebastian Bach.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm up there.
Speaker 1: Pretending I'm John bon Jobey jumping around.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: I am still that young man, and luckily, I think
it has a lot to do with what we do
for a living.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I could sing eighteen nights in a row and be
as strong on nine eighteen as I was on night one.
My vocal cords are like that big around I'm not
a great singer, but I can see it a lot.
I do it as much as I can. And luckily,
you know, we played eighty three shows with the Dillos
last year and I have a full time job. You know,
it's great, but you know, and to your point about
why people do it, I think about the Sonic Highways
series that Dave Grohl did.
Speaker 2: Oh that was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 5: In the very last episode when they're doing there, he's
talking to President Obama and they're sitting in the Presidential
Library talking about the things. I'll never forget this man
as long as I live. This's changed my perspective on
so much because you know, sometimes you do say, why
am I going to play a gig again tonight? You know,
I'm tired. I got it to work in the morning.
They essentially the point of the whole thing was President
Obama says, you know, somewhere tonight, there's a kid who's
contemplating what they're gonna do with their life. And that
kid might come to see your show on the Town
Green and Saint Cloud, Minnesota, and you might inspire him.
He might pick up a guitar and he might write
a song that inspires a kid who writes the greatest
song ever written and changes and in generation that you're
not even alive for. And he said, you know, that's
the river and I call it feeding the river Man.
So every time I go to a show, I keep
that in mind. There might there might be somebody out
there who goes home and plays you know, because we
played a James Gang song.
Speaker 2: Oh which one you name it? We played walk Away? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
of course. Yeah. So let's say we played walk Away. Wait,
hold on, hold on?
Speaker 1: Was it the studio version or was the live version
that they did with all the psychedelic shit going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, is that a studio version? Though?
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but you know exactly what I'm
talking rules absolutely, But you know my man's stretch, he's
he's a stickler.
Speaker 2: We're gonna play the you know, we're gonna play the
studio person. He's gonna kill it, of course he is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can play that song and inspires a
guy who goes home and plays it for his kid,
and his kid has inspired to pick up the guitar.
Speaker 2: I just beat the river man.
Speaker 1: Music.
Speaker 5: It matters, It changes lives, It saves lives. It saves
my life multiple times. Man, I love it and it's
so funny.
Speaker 1: Going back to h Taylor Swift, I said the exact
same thing about where those kids that sounded like led Zeppelin.
Oh uh okay, that's drawing a blank right now too.
Speaker 2: But we we all know who we're talking that band.
Speaker 1: That band does it start with the uh uh? It's
what is wrong with us?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but everybody they do still like Zeppelin. Yeah,
but they're selling. They are selling out. There are teenage
girls going to those shows, and guys that are going
to those shows are trying to get with those teenage girls,
and they're going, look at what's up there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I should do that. That's it, man, that's it.
Feed the river man keeping Steen.
Speaker 1: Jean Simmons had that famous quote on Kiss Exposure No
Extreme close up? Was it kiss Extreme close Up? Where
he goes I was watching the Beatles and Ed Sullivan
and all of a sudden the camera panned around and
there sounded like microphone feedback, and it was girls going,
I want to do that.
Speaker 5: That's a great Gene Simmons impersonation, by the way, that's
pretty damn it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: It is not as good as my Sebastiss.
Speaker 2: Listen to his audio book, and dude, I'm telling you,
I wasn't listening. I was just listening to his voice
the entire time, and every time he laughed, I was like,
oh my god, this guy kills me. Mat I love it.
I drove.
Speaker 1: I drove two Minnesota from l A once and I
listened to that audio book and it was literally thirteen
hours of it was whiskey and cokine.
Speaker 5: That story about him going to the Moscow Music Festival
and as he.
Speaker 2: Going, Jesus Christ, do you ever shut up? I love it.
I gotta hear that, man, fuck it.
Speaker 1: I had the first time I had Jeff Lebar on
this show. We were and I became friends with him.
On that first run of cruises that we did in
twenty fourteen. It was Monsters on the Blue, which was
the Moody Blues Cruise at the time, and then Cruise
of the Edge, which is the Yes Prague Cruise and
all that stuff, and he was on all three with
the spand but he did Cinderella on Monsters, but there
was a cover band on on all three of them
that he WoT right. So that's when I got to
know him. That's why I hung out with him. And so,
you know, we swapped numbers and you know, drank at
the hotel bar, at the Lebar.
Speaker 2: At the bar, you know, it was fucking gold.
Speaker 1: So he was on the show and we were talking
about the Moscow Music Peace Festival and he started laughing.
He's like, dude, I can't do his voice, but he's
like he started talking about how skid Row and Sebastian
was robbing, robbing, rooming with Rob Fuso.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they couldn't.
Speaker 1: Deal with them already at that point, so they kicked
him out of his room and the bar goes.
Speaker 2: I took him in.
Speaker 1: I love them, did you imagine? And he said, those
two ripped it up?
Speaker 2: Were those the.
Speaker 5: Two that went up to the top of the building
there that they weren't allowed to go up to to
like the I've heard the story that I think.
Speaker 2: It might have been Lebar the mooning they mooned, Yeah exactly,
that was Lebar. Yeah, wow, holy moo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I as you can tell that hole all those bands.
That's why I love I read everything I hear it. Yeah,
I love those stories, man, that's why your story is
fascinating to me. Men me because your friends with all
my hero.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. It's incredible, dude, it's so weird to
know that I can.
Speaker 1: Text Ricky Rackman. Ricky Rackman was just on the Adam
Carolla Show. Yeah, and that's the first time they've taught
I think since the nineties. Kidding. And I made that happen,
No kidding, Yeah, I made that because I saw Ricky
was going to be in l A. I texted him, Hey,
are you available? Well, I didn't ask him, but I
texted my best friend, my the singer of the band
that I'm in, Okay Dawson, who's the produce, one of
the producers in the Voice of the Corolla Show, And
I'm like, find out if they would want Ricky Radman
because we had talked about this before and it just
worked out because that's something you can't do over the phone.
You can't do it over zoom. It has to be
in person. And it happened and all fucking hatchets were
buried and they just had a great conversation.
Speaker 2: You know. But dude, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's it's really really weird that I can I'm sitting.
So we're sitting at the Hotel Bar yesterday, right, and
I'm sitting with three of the l three of the
guys from.
Speaker 2: The El Parsons Project.
Speaker 1: Incredible, and how we were talking about the comedy thing
I do. It's called punchlines and bad clients. So we
take a musician who's never done stand up before. So
we had Kip Winger do it. We do it on
the Monster's Cruise. Yeah, Kip Winger. We had Red Beach,
we had Todd Latory from Queen's Reich. God who did
it this year? Jeff Scott Soto, the guy that the
guy that's saying fucking yeah yeah. So I told him
that I had that we had Kip do it, and
he goes, I played with.
Speaker 2: Them or no, kid played with us or something like that,
something to that.
Speaker 1: I think he was kid played with us for a
little while helping fill in, And I'm like the funk
out of here. So I I could text Kip Winger
and send him a picture. He goes, Oh, tell him.
I said, Hi, it's just the weirdest fucking thing that's crazy,
and it's still I still pinch myself. I mean, it's
you know, people like, why are you so broken up
about c J Sarah because he was a friend, you know,
Jeff Lebarr was a friend. And it's like, I hooked
you up with those tickets laws night, I texted Frank.
I texted Frank handed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's and again that's awesome, man, though, It's just
those are my all those guys, you know, yeah, I
mean my not even closetive dream. I say this all
the time on the show. If I ever get a
chance to audition for any of those bands for any reason,
I see you later.
Speaker 2: Radio, I'm gone, man, it doesn't matter, you know.
Speaker 5: I those those bands still go out and put on
great shows and play the songs that I love.
Speaker 1: Man, I freaking love that. Well, you wouldn't have to
leave radio anyways, because half of the time they're just
doing weekend flya gigs.
Speaker 5: Anyway, that's true, you're right, yeah, And you can do
radio from anyway right now, obviously.
Speaker 1: We're yeah, exactly exactly. You just have to get to
where the vikings are point. That's exactly right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe eat your time off during Viking season, but no,
you know, I and to see some of these bands
and they bring in the replacement. That's the reason I
bring it up. They bring in replacement singers and you're like,
holy shit, that kid that they had in skid Row
could sing his ass off. Man, it feels so bad
for him.
Speaker 2: I know. It's a horrible situation, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean all the you know I and you see
the different versions of Gray White, you see all these things,
and you're like, my gud that the music's still living
out there.
Speaker 2: Man. I just I'd love to be a that stuff. Dude.
It's so weird because growing up in St. Claud I
went to Cathedral.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they did this show every year called Rock
around the Clock. It was the yearly fundraiser. It was
put on by Bobby v. And do you know Bobby
got his break now he filled in for Buddy Holly
the night that Buddy died. That's how he got his break. Wow. Yeah,
and said he said, all his kids to Cathedral because
he was but he was from Fargo for sure, And
so he started doing the show every year as a fundraaker.
Cathedral a private Catholic school, and trust me, my mom
had to There was financial assistance involved for sure, but
but the fundraiser was called Rock around the clock here
we bring in all.
Speaker 2: These fifties and sixties bands. Yeah, you know, so I
saw Jan and Dean, I saw the fourth grade.
Speaker 1: Chubby Checker pulled me on stage and I did the
twist with Chubby Checker.
Speaker 2: That's where it all started again. Yeah right, but you.
Speaker 1: Know you see all those bands, but we always bitch, well, Roy,
can't they have the original band back together?
Speaker 2: Well? Did it was? This is been going on forever.
Speaker 1: Sure at this point in the eighties, the bands from
the sixties and seventies were already replacing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know that's it happened to Kiss. It
happened with.
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You keep the music flowing as much as you can,
you keep the checks coming, you keep playing the games.
You know, I I completely understand it again, you know,
you go to these shows like I was at the
very first what's the festival in Key West?
Speaker 2: Was the name of that festival in Key West? Broke
on the Sands?
Speaker 1: No close? It was all eighties bands. Yeah, yeah, it
was eighties in the sand right now, I forget what
It's called. Rock on the Island, Rock Island. Oh yeah,
Rock Island, Rock Island. Y.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we go there and sadly, my manager broke
her back the next day on a on a water craft,
so we missed.
Speaker 1: She r on my VACATIONE likely she's good now.
Speaker 5: But going down there and seeing those bands, you know,
most of the time, as we said, the guy doing
the singing or the guy doing the guitar playing are
just nailing it in a way.
Speaker 2: I look at that and he to that Eddie Trunk
just asking.
Speaker 5: If you want tickets? See, no, that's the thing. If
Eddie asked if you want tickets, I bet you go. Well,
I asked you if you wanted a ticket.
Speaker 1: No, I already committed to going to Elle Guns and
Tom Keefer tonight. Yeah, because I know that this is
the start of the Scorpions residency. Yeah, I can still
see the show r Yeah, yeah for sure. I mean
I would love be at the first one, but I
already committed.
Speaker 2: What can I do? I understand? Yeah?
Speaker 5: How many who who's still in La Guns? Tray st
Phil that's it? Yeah, cool, that's all you need, that's
of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's no, there's no shot you know, yes, yeah,
that's that's La Guns for me. That always will be yeah,
you know. Yeah, And and Tom. Does Tom play all
sendy stuff or does he plays nine right? And he's
still because he has a couple. He has a great solos.
Speaker 1: Christ Man, that guy's a songwriter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that guy is a song and another fascinating band
in our genre that we love. Of a band who
just decided this is who we really are. We're gonna
do it whether you like it or not. Yeah, I
think they could have been ninety times bigger than they
were if they hadn't decided just to stick to what
who they really were? You know the second that second
third record, Those records are freaking.
Speaker 1: Cold winter manut, I know that album is so good.
Speaker 2: That is who they are who Tom was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, I know, I'm I'm of you know,
it's a split decision for me tonight. I Scorpions are
Tom Keifer and again the tickets to the Scorpions are free,
and the tickets for I've never seen the Scorpions before.
It's a fight, man, I don't know. Oh, well, it's
a good choice after you decide you want to go.
I have a plus one.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: But you obviously you got you got your manager.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, Yeah, I don't know, man, I
tell you how those bands, dude, I mean, think about
worldwide life. When that came out, that live record for
the Scorpions.
Speaker 1: Cheez the like, here's talking about kiss. This is the
weirdest fucking thing. So a couple of weeks ago, uh,
the drummer from the Food Fighters who passed, Yeah, his
his cover band Chevy Metal, was playing in town and
they have his kid filling it. I know that, and
I know the guitar player, Brent was a good friend
of mine. They're playing at vamped and I go there.
I just it's elbows to assholes. I'm I mean, v
I p because.
Speaker 2: Girls like that. Ah.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well fucking Nerd Halen is playing
at the Virgin. That's how Sparks's band. Okay, you know
how Sparks.
Speaker 2: I do not.
Speaker 1: He was queer as folk, he's actor, comedian, he was
on uh the face Yeah, anyways, but I'm friends with
those guys. I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna go
check in here. I'm gonna go check in there. And
that was I forgot that. Brent Michaels was playing at
the Virgin that night, right, and they're playing in this tiny,
little lounge in the front right, and Bruce Clic is
standing there. My god, and I go up and say
hi to him because I know him. And as I'm
walking away, I heard him say to his wife Lisa,
finally somebody that I know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's the best ever.
Speaker 1: But then he comes over. He goes, is, let's take
a picture. I'm like, that's see, dude, really, I just
want to send it to somebody.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. He just happened to be at the show.
Does he live out here somewhere? But yeah, he lives here.
Everybody lives here. Yeah, here here in Nashville. That's where
everybody's going.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, that Nashville's getting in and d Yeah. And
I've got a lot of friends who live down there
now and it's becoming becoming a bit much to be
it is.
Speaker 1: It is, And I think people are going away from
Austin now because it's turning into la absolutely, and nobody
needs that in their lives.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, I tell you, man, I don't know this.
Where you live is a choice, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love it out here. I'd probably be broke, dick
poor if I lived here. But you can play music
every night.
Speaker 1: What else do you can You can't, dude, I know
you got to go to a show. Yep, you got
to go to a show. I got to go to
a show, and we can sit here and talk for
two more. He probably could. Whether anybody liked that.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you this because I firmly
believe this.
Speaker 1: If I would have kept doing what I was doing
with the with the paper, magazine, with the radio, I
still think it. Part of my middle name is delusions
of Grant. Right, I probably would be on that show
with you right now. I'll tell you, man, you would
fit in perfectly, obviously. You know the show.
Speaker 5: It's it's fun what we've you know, we're on a
sports radio station, and it's you know, there's a lot
of sports, but it's we cover every base and that
sort of my my goal when they when they gave
us the morning show, they had me right. My my
mission statement, and my mission statement was to make people
feel better when they get in their car than they
did when they woke up that morning. Everybody's you know,
carrying their own load. Everybody's having an our time. Most
people are going to a job they don't want to
be going to it's early in the morning. If I
can make somebody smile, that's I've done my job for
the day. Where it's all about. I've surrounded myself with
my friends. My job is to get up in the morning,
make my friends laugh, go home a night, take a nap,
get up and go play a gig somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm living the dream and to try to show Meat,
Sauce and Corey what real music.
Speaker 2: They won't do it.
Speaker 1: They won't admit.
Speaker 5: And you know, I can see the look on their
face sometimes when you started talking about Tesla.
Speaker 2: They trust me, man, listen, but they do it. This's
just to rile me up.
Speaker 5: And that's okay. I'm starting the gospel, man, I'm spreading
the gospel. I'm spreading the go of course.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool because I'm I am a kind
of a fame horror at times.
Speaker 2: I think we all are.
Speaker 1: Everybody is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what I got a couple of tweets, dude,
is that you on the fuck it? Yeah, it's it's
been man. I can't tell you that that everything.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, the fun thing about the band and the
radio show is they fed each other so well. Yeah,
I mean, you know, in the Upper Midwest, you go
places and the radio show people are listening. You go
a place and you're playing the band and and people
are there. It's it's worked. It's worked.
Speaker 2: Somehow it worked. It's awesome. No plan it worked.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for your success.
We still have to do rocket club, smoke and kill shows.
Speaker 5: I would love it. And listen, hey, let's get together
and do some stuff out here. Man, bring it. Let's
all come out and we'll play some shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I would love it. I see so many
great bands out here. I just I just want to sing. Man.
It's fun, dude, that's what it's all about. Christ Hockey.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, be of course, now hold on,
let me uh let me hit the true music.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Check him out every morning Monday through Friday at
what five thirty to nine gone gone man A F
A N. You can find him on the iHeart radio
app and cafe in I listen to when I can.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I'm not I'm not gonna lie. It's
like usually I turn on Corolla as soon as they
wake up.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you a bit, but I still I
chime in and I'm like, oh fuck it.
Speaker 2: I would be fun on the uh the initials game.
I'd be a.
Speaker 5: Blast sometimes it's fun. Yeah, five thirty nine camp in
the Potrip Morning Show. iHeart radio all over the country.
Check us out and come see my band. I'm playing
somewhere tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh in your mind you are.
Speaker 1: They can find rock club rock club dot rocky club
dot band l Yeah, there you go a Stargellows.
Speaker 2: Dot com and uh, Chris Hockey dot com. Check me out,
all right, very good.
Speaker 1: You can find me real Lizzie Presley, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
all the way across the board. Also on the venmo
if you do appreciate what I do, because I will
never charge for this show. And uh, then we get
we have to get her framed. She's she's home, ladies
and gentlemen, and the sum bitch is gonna protect her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that guy. Oh he's eye bother her.
Speaker 1: Of course I left these two alone week.
Speaker 2: So anyways, she's pregnant. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: And keeping uh A recorded an interview with the bass
player from Collective Soul, which will air next month.
Speaker 2: I Love you guys go fuck yourselves, and yeah,