WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:02.640 It's with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:07.519 I'm telling you Easy Boston's news radio. 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 Well, the big story, in my opinion over the weekend 4 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.359 had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Maybe it did, 5 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:19.280 but it had ostensibly everything to do with Joe Biden, 6 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:24.160 in which the Biden administration and I'm reading from an 7 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.280 article out of the New York Times in the Boston 8 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:32.320 Globe by Adam and Pois, Eric Schmidt and Julian Barnes 9 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.159 dated November seventeenth, which was yesterday. President Biden has authorized 10 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.679 the first use of US supplied long range missiles by 11 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:44.880 Ukraine for strikes inside Russia. US official set the weapons 12 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.119 are likely to be initially employed against Russian and North 13 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.240 Korean troops in defense of Ukrainian forces in the Krusk 14 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.960 region of Western Russia. The official set. Now, for those 15 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.039 of you that have not been paying attention to this 16 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.679 war now, which is getting very close to beginning, it's 17 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.200 I forget. I mean, at this point could be well 18 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.959 ending the third year. I'm heading into year four. I mean, 19 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.959 how doesn't time fly? Mister Biden's decision is a major 20 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.799 change in US policy. The choice of divided his advisors 21 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.840 and his shift comes two months before President elect Donald J. 22 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.760 Trump takes office having vowed to limit further support for Ukraine. 23 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:32.599 So one of the issues that Donald Trump ran on, 24 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.519 and one of the promises that he made is that 25 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:39.879 he would end the war in Ukraine within twenty four hours. 26 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.359 He said he might even end the war in Ukraine 27 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.840 before he becomes president. Well, at least give him until 28 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:50.879 you know he's president. Okay, this is really interesting. Clearly 29 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.439 the bad guys here, without any question in my opinion, 30 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:56.959 on the Russians, I mean, it's really not a close call. 31 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:03.239 And they decided that they were going to invade Ukraine, 32 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.840 they had to build up, and sure enough they did. 33 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:11.879 And it has now been two years. It will soon 34 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:15.919 be two years in February. Well, actually it's going to 35 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:17.479 be three years. I've got to do the math here 36 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:23.800 that I think we're coming up with the third anniversary 37 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:31.439 of this this war. No one ever expected the Ukrainians 38 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:35.840 to hold out now at tremendous costs. Okay, we've seen it. 39 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:43.719 And the Russians now are are basically losing I'm told 40 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:52.159 two or three, two to three thousand men a day. 41 00:02:54.039 --> 00:03:00.960 It's it's it's incredible. Yeah, we've gone by the one daymark. 42 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.360 Of this war when you think about it. So we 43 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:13.439 are heading towards the third anniversary of what has gone 44 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.879 on now so much. Remember when it started, we thinking 45 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:22.599 maybe a couple of weeks. Anyway, the decision by the 46 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:33.000 president to send these long range missiles okay, is significant 47 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:39.560 because it now puts the ball in Vladimir Putin's court. 48 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.560 What is he going to do? First of all, there's 49 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:46.960 ten thousand North Korean troops that are now working with 50 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:54.639 the Russians. I mean, whoever would have imagined that? And 51 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:05.199 the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian military has used drones to attack Moscow. 52 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.960 Now again it's it's maybe the equivalent of a mosquito 53 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:15.000 in terms of the strength. But that has shaken up Russia. 54 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:24.160 The question is this wise certainly it's gonna maybe maybe 55 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:31.519 help Ukraine turned the tide a little bit. But I 56 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:39.959 mentioned earlier Archduke Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria of Austria, 57 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:46.079 that's his full name. He was shot to death on 58 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:52.439 June twenty eighth of nineteen fourteen. This was when Austria 59 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:59.519 and Hungary were joined his assassination in Sarajevo. In the 60 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:08.120 minds of many people was the spark that started World 61 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.759 War One. And of course, when World War One ended 62 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:18.920 and you had the Treaty of Versailles, many people believe 63 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:26.720 that that treaty basically planted the seeds for someone like 64 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.839 Hitler to come along in Germany as Hitler did in 65 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:37.519 the nineteen thirties and the Beaer Halls of Munich and 66 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:46.360 encourage the Germans to rise up again. And of course, historically, 67 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.839 I think all of us should remember that it was 68 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.319 Stalin and Hitler who on September one, nineteen thirty nine, 69 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.959 decided it would be just a swell idea to invade 70 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.279 Poland from both the east and the west, which was 71 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:06.480 the officials start of World War Two. So the question 72 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.000 is the wisdom of what Joe Biden has done now 73 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.800 with less than two months left in his presidency. My 74 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.120 instinct is that probably Biden has wanted to do this 75 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.759 for a long time, but many of his advisers had 76 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:29.720 cautioned against it. The problem of this war will soon 77 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:36.000 be inherited by Donald Trump. So I'm wondering, and if 78 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.720 you think I'm crazy here, please tell me I'm crazy. 79 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:44.519 I'm wondering if there might not have been a bit 80 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:50.279 of a plot hatched between President Biden and former President Trump, 81 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.439 and maybe during that two hours or so that they 82 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.759 met behind closed doors at the White House, that they 83 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:03.439 have formulated a a bad cop good good cop dynamic. 84 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.160 We often talk about good cop bad cop, meaning you 85 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:13.079 do something really stupid and the police. One police officer 86 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.079 questions you and says, hey, look, you know what you 87 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.079 did was stupid, but there's no reason for you to 88 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.519 go to jail for this. You know, if you can 89 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.560 help us out here and maybe point at some of 90 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.399 the other folks you're involved in who who were much 91 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.680 worse than you, we might be able to work a deal. 92 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:30.959 And then he leaves it in comes the bad cop, 93 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:32.879 and the bad cop sticks his finger and your nose 94 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:37.279 is look punk, You're going down. You are going down 95 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.759 no matter what. Then he leaves and the goody good 96 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.120 cop comes back in. You know, I'm speaking here metaphorically, 97 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:49.639 but is it possible that Joe Biden, in an effort 98 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:55.160 to maybe end his presidency on a high note, has 99 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.879 decided to say to Zelensky, Okay, the missiles are yours, 100 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:07.240 use him as you see fit, and that he hopes 101 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:13.040 that that will give his successor, Donald Trump, some leverage 102 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.959 when Trump calls Putin at some point, maybe on January twentieth, 103 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.079 I don't know, Maybe there's emissaries before you know, there 104 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:26.319 are concerns about anybody other than the president contacting other 105 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:32.720 world leaders, and at that point Trump might say to 106 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:36.919 Putin on January twentieth, hey, look, no, you've dealt with 107 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:41.440 this situation. You've done this. But look, this might be 108 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.799 the time for you to win the Nobel Peace Prize, 109 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:52.039 Vladimir and announce that you have decided that the hostilities 110 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:57.440 must end. I'm just trying to figure out what the 111 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.639 timing of this would be. So I'm sure some of 112 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:06.320 you feel it's long overdue. I'm sure some of you 113 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:11.000 feel that we have crossed a bit of a line here. 114 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.320 I don't want to call it the Rubicon, but we've 115 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.000 crossed a little bit of a line. And we now 116 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:22.480 have challenged Putin. And if Putin does something really stupid, 117 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:32.480 really stupid, meaning somehow launching a strike against a NATO force, 118 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.519 even though Ukraine is not a member of NATO, what 119 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.120 would we do? What would we do? All of a sudden, 120 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.639 And I've been thinking about this for a few months, 121 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:53.519 this is a real bloodbath between Ukraine and Russia, and 122 00:09:53.559 --> 00:10:01.320 if anything, their neighbors. They they're very close in terms 123 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.519 of proximity geographic proximity. Obviously next to each other, but 124 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:10.000 they also have I'm sure interfamiliar relationships and in that 125 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.600 Dynesque region. Again, I don't want to do like a 126 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.039 history thing, but in the Dynesque region there's a lot 127 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:20.240 of Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Republic. 128 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:27.879 It's a mess. It's a mess. There have been tens 129 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:32.159 of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians 130 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:37.960 killed or maimed over this war. They must be a 131 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.600 way to end it. And is this a predicate? Does 132 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:47.559 this give Trump an opportunity to fulfill that promise? Obviously, 133 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:51.559 if this fighting is going on into February, March, April May, 134 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.679 then Donald Trump's promised that he would end the war 135 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.519 within twenty four hours would not have been fulfilled. I 136 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:01.279 just want to one of the phone lines, this is 137 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.759 this is one that hit me right between the eyes 138 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.960 over the weekend. We have been very cautious, uh in 139 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.480 the Biden administration has been very cautious in what they 140 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.519 have chosen to do and not to do. This is 141 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.080 it's not throwing caution into the wind, but it is 142 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:26.840 giving Ukraine the ability to really have an impact offensively, 143 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:31.840 not just defensively. Six one seven, two thirty, six one seven, nine, 144 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.399 ten thirty the numbers. I think we need to talk 145 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:40.840 about this. Those of us who have been I guess, 146 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:47.440 on this good earth for fifty sixty years or more, 147 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.279 realize that the US is still the leader of the 148 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:00.360 free world and with that role comes responsibility. At the 149 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:09.679 same time, we have seen our country sleepwalk into situations which, 150 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:14.320 in retrospect, maybe our leaders should have used a little 151 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:18.120 more caution in timidity. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. 152 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.440 Let's talk about it coming back on Nightside right after this. 153 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.720 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 154 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:29.279 nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 155 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:31.960 All right, let's go to the phone, see what people 156 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.759 have to say. Again. I think it's going to be 157 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.360 fascinating as to how this plays out over the next 158 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.519 two months. Jeff in Waldam, Jeff, you are first this 159 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:42.240 hour and Knightside. 160 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:47.360 Go right ahead, Jeff, Okay, I'm honored. Dan. I think 161 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:54.879 your good cop bad coop conjecture is very intelligent because 162 00:12:57.879 --> 00:12:59.960 this way, and you know, I don't know whether or 163 00:12:59.960 --> 00:13:05.080 not that is at play here, but what that would 164 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:10.440 do would be to add more negotiability to the crisis, okay, 165 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:19.840 And would would add more maneuverability to the situation, so 166 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:25.960 that Putin would be less likely to make an unduly 167 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:34.759 rash move and because of the changing situation, okay, and 168 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:40.519 he would have more incentive to wait. Okay, But I 169 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.679 want to say this, there is one thing I do 170 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.759 want to say. I wish this war would add I mean, 171 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:53.080 really it's you know, it's just bad for Orchancern, obviously, 172 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:59.000 but I think that the number one priority for this 173 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:05.919 country is that security, our national security. Okay. And I 174 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.000 don't know whether that interest would be served or disserved 175 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.360 because I'm not an authority of these issues. But I 176 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.559 don't know whether our national security will be served or 177 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:23.879 deserved by the inclusion of long range missile attacks across 178 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:25.440 the Russian border. Okay. 179 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.759 Well, the question the question is what what will Rush, 180 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.000 What will, if anything, will Russia do in response? And 181 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:32.279 that's that's the question. 182 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:37.360 We don't know. We don't know, but it may not 183 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:42.360 be worth in terms of American national security. It may 184 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:49.399 not be worth risking locking horns with the Russians militarily. 185 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.120 It may not be worth it to us in terms 186 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:57.159 of our national security, which I think I mean, after all, 187 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.679 the purpose of the formation of NATA in the first 188 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:06.039 place was national security, Okay, and as that goal is 189 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:11.879 subordinated uh to something else, Uh, there's something really amiss. 190 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:12.919 Wouldn't you agree with that? 191 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.480 I think it's how I think it's it's how it 192 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.440 would be interpreted in my in my opinion, I'm Jeff. 193 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:23.120 So look, I appreciate your call, appreciate your perspective, and 194 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.480 it's always good to get a good call. Starting off, 195 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:26.919 thank you, Jeff appreciated, smiling. 196 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.639 Oh kay, and thank you for the airtime. Ye welcome. 197 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.240 Good night. Let me go to Daryl in New Brunswick, Canada. Darryl, 198 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.639 what's your thought up there? Is this a story that 199 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.799 Canadians are talking about or has it? Did they miss it? 200 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:38.960 Uh? 201 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:39.240 No? 202 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:44.279 Dan, Actually it's quite the conversation because it goes back 203 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.159 to even about Canadian American relation. 204 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:47.440 Right. 205 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.639 But I still have to back Biden if I can 206 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.600 go back to when he pulled out Afghanistan abruptly, but 207 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.240 his advisors pull them out the wrong way. And we 208 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:07.559 had a conversation prior about how Russia was accumulating this 209 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:09.799 stuff needed for conflict. 210 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.320 And well, Russian massed on their border. And Joe Biden, 211 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:20.320 you know, shortly after the disaster Kabul said nobody. He 212 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.840 didn't think Russia was going to invade Ukraine. It's pretty 213 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.919 obvious what Russia tended to do. Well. 214 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:29.279 Actually, my opinion is he was actually without letting Russia know, 215 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:36.120 allowing letting know that American soldiers are available elsewhere if 216 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:41.320 it makes sense, but it doesn't, right, bottom line, Well, I. 217 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.720 Missed that, Jeff, excuse me, Jeff, Jared, I totally missed 218 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:47.639 that Biden was saying, no, they didn't think that Russia 219 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:49.440 was going to invade and of course they did invade him. 220 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.240 By the way, it was on in February twenty twenty two, 221 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.600 so we're coming up on the third anniversary in a 222 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:55.559 couple of months here. 223 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.919 Correct, But they appreciated that. Correct, But if you're not 224 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.039 letting your opponent know what your thoughts are, and obviously 225 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.240 it didn't happen that way, and it worked out possibly better. 226 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:14.160 Who do you work out better for Darryl? If Biden 227 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.319 had said to putin. Look, I have no idea what 228 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.079 you're doing out there, but you make a huge mistake 229 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:24.000 and there'll be a consequence. I don't know. I mean Biden, Yeah, 230 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.359 I don't know. My feeling is that he wasn't tough 231 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:30.920 enough in February of twenty twenty two. 232 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.559 Well, I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. But 233 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:41.599 reference the long range missile application. Now, Russia has been 234 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.599 hit in places where they weren't supposed to under agreement, 235 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.119 and so let Ukraine hit back as hard as they 236 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.000 can and let Russia know that, Hey, the world's behind them. 237 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:02.160 Because if Belarus is like a spearhead just between Ukraine 238 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:06.440 and Norway and whatnot, and therefore if Russia there's. 239 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.920 A lot, there's a lot between Norway and Ukraine as 240 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:10.920 I'm sure you know, there's a whole bunch of uh. 241 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:18.960 Like yeah, Poling and Hu and Belarus between Ukraine and 242 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:25.680 other countries. Uh, that can be as spearhead as a wedge. Yeah, okay, Well, 243 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.200 bottom bottom line, and we got to stick together. 244 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.519 Yeah, I think, Well, the Canadians always do, that's for sure. No, 245 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.920 we get a cold the Canadian cities. 246 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.640 Let's let's hit Russia as hard as we can. 247 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.599 Well, hard as we can means means some bombs bigger 248 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:43.559 even I didn't even want to think about those sort 249 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:44.960 of bombs, if you know what I'm saying. 250 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:50.039 Daryl, Well, if you go back to old general patent, UH, 251 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:52.519 if you want to do an internet virus, you can 252 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:53.680 call patent pending. 253 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.759 Okay, spelled a little differently, but I guess maybe that's 254 00:18:58.799 --> 00:18:59.759 what you want to talk about it. 255 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.039 If that virus, No, No, it's all It's all about 256 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.480 making sure that we do the right thing. 257 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.759 I would agree. Thanks, darre I appreciate your call. Six one, seven, 258 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.119 two five, four ten thirty is the phone number. Are 259 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.920 you concerned about this or is this something that just 260 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:19.000 we we now have become inured to UH, and that 261 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.839 you're convinced that no matter what we have done or 262 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.519 no matter what we're currently doing, that Russia is going 263 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.799 to make sure that it stays in that part of 264 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.559 the world. That's really the question. I'm asking. Only lines 265 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.160 open six one, seven, four ten thirty. That'll get you 266 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.920 through if you want coming back on night Side. 267 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.880 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 268 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:46.559 news radio. 269 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.000 Thank you, Dan Watkins. Let's go to Lawrence in West Roxbury. Lawrence, 270 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:51.519 you're next one. 271 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:56.680 Nice, I welcome, Yes, thank you, mister Ray. I think 272 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:58.960 that we're a day late and a dollar shot being 273 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.599 firmed with Russia. We should have been firm with them 274 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.039 in February three years ago and made it clear to 275 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.720 them if they invaded the Ukraine, we were going to 276 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:15.000 defend the Ukraine immediately. And I think that I don't 277 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.720 know whether the President asked the advisors what they taught them, 278 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.119 but as the advisers I'm talking about, the military advisors 279 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.039 would have told them more than ready to do that. 280 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.319 And I think that he stayed out there four months 281 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.799 outside the Ukraine getting ready to do this, and not 282 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.759 once did we send mister Blincoln to inform him of 283 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:38.920 what we would do. And we should have been firm 284 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.680 with him three years ago and the Ukraine would not 285 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:44.720 have been attacked. That's my judgment. 286 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.519 Well, he certainly took his time masked the troops and 287 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.240 we've seen the result. It's been carnage on both sides. 288 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.039 We have now Ukrainian troops fairly inside holding some portions 289 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.839 of Russia. We have Russian troops in the Genesque region. 290 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:07.559 Russia still holds you know holds onto Crimea. 291 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.880 I'm very familiar. I have a PhD in Soviet history 292 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:16.119 from BC. I was one of rovertam last students. And 293 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.599 you know I also spent a decade and a half 294 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.000 flying the Soviets border for the United States Air Force. 295 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.279 I have a good sebety goad you. 296 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.079 What that error was? 297 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:29.720 Whatever was that? 298 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.480 If I could ask Lawrence, I flew the border from 299 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:39.720 on and off from nineteen sixty one to nineteen seventy nine, 300 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:43.359 and I spent four years in Now I'm in between. 301 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.200 So what happened I have to share with you. Though 302 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.279 we should have been firm with them in February three 303 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:52.920 years ago. 304 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.799 And in your in your opinion, and I respect your 305 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:02.000 opinion immensely, particularly a view of your experience. If we 306 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.759 had said, hey, don't invade, and he had gone ahead 307 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:11.559 and invaded, what could have we done either militarily economically 308 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:15.240 that that would have cost him? He would have had 309 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:16.000 to pay a price. 310 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.039 What what could have we done the first night that 311 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.160 he tried to fly airplanes into the Ukraine. We would 312 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.160 have met them with both the second and forced fight 313 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.000 Obamba Division that's in Europe, and you know that had 314 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.119 been the end of it, and that that and we 315 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.000 all we had to do is put it in position 316 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:36.680 so we knew it was there. 317 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.359 And you're talking, you're talking about shootdowns. 318 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:48.519 I am talking about shootdowns. Okay, So that again they understand, 319 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:50.119 they understand that. 320 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.720 Okay, fair enough, all right? When worried. 321 00:22:57.880 --> 00:22:59.839 Every now and then I would fly against the so 322 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.200 be a fight at stationed in China, they stopped doing 323 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.240 that after we shot fifteen of them down. 324 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:12.599 Oh okay, let me say this, and I say it 325 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.119 with admiration. You are a Cold War warrior and your 326 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.960 service was invaluable. Thank you very much for your service. 327 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.400 Well, you know, I'm sure there's a whole bunch of 328 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.839 people on the line that may not agree with what 329 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:29.960 I just said, But that's all right. You can you 330 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:31.000 can handle them for me. 331 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.839 I can. I can look for you, Lawrens. Well, it's 332 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.200 hoped someday to meet you in person and h and 333 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.119 shake your hand. Thank you very much, Lawrence. Good night. 334 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:46.480 That's an interesting background. Let me go next to John 335 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.480 and Boston. John. What's going on? John? 336 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.559 Yeah, good evening. Dan. You know, I'm wondering if you 337 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.839 could have somebody on your show. Billions of dollars have 338 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.599 gone to Ukraine and what does the average paycheck Joe 339 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.119 and checked Josephin supposed to get to that. It's just amazing, 340 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.319 Like we got hospitals are struggling in Massachusetts. There's no 341 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.160 money for them, but there's money for Ukraine. And I've 342 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.839 been trying to look on YouTube and basically this is 343 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:16.960 the war between America and Russia that will be the same. Yeah, 344 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:20.000 you know in the Warhawks in what's happening. 345 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:25.079 I'm trying to ask you a question. Yeah, okay, what, 346 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.720 in your opinion, should have we done when Putin in 347 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:34.079 February of twenty twenty two decided to invade Ukraine? What 348 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:35.839 should what should we have done? 349 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.240 You're looking at You're looking at the last minute. According 350 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.720 to YouTube, I said, this has been going off for decades. 351 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:46.559 America's foreign policy of pushing NATO close during closer and 352 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.799 close to the Russia. Spot the whole thing. It's not 353 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.000 just one day Putin walk up and say, hey, you know, 354 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.279 that'd be a guess to go invade Ukraine and the 355 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.519 United States. I like the other benefit, I see no, 356 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.799 But as far as I'm concerned, and I think you 357 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.680 have po Putin takes Russia, what do I get to lose. 358 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.960 I don't see anything. It's a terrible thing happening. 359 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.839 But I think I think you meant to say somebody 360 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.240 in it. Yeah, he already has Russia. I think you 361 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:14.240 meant to say that if Putin would to take Ukraine 362 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.839 would have been, in your opinion, no big deal. 363 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.160 I don't care if he takes it, Go Putin go. 364 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.119 It was part of Ukraine, was part of Russia at 365 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.960 one time. America is calling China, Hey, you better say 366 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.880 out of Taiwan. I don't like America's foreign policy. I 367 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.279 think most of the listeners don't know that America has 368 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.519 over eight hundred bases around the world. Just gotta stop. 369 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.160 We got to pull back and have a neutral foreign policy. 370 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:39.759 And as Einstein said, you can't prepare for war and 371 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:43.400 peace simultaneously. There's no money in peace. There's no money 372 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.839 in it. You know, we gotta have wars because it's 373 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:46.359 big money. 374 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:51.000 Ronald Reagan, I think said something paraphrasing. Now, the best 375 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.839 way to maintain the peace is be prepared for war. 376 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:58.039 Well, you know they're doing a terrible job that they 377 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.079 would love to send American troops in Ukraine. I'm sure 378 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.640 these warhawks, but they know the public won't go far 379 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.119 it here, you know, so I see no one asks 380 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.279 to me if takes it, go ahead, take it. I 381 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.839 hope he does. You know, put me in the White House, 382 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.079 you know, hard ended Zinskey. You gotta surrender like japaarings, 383 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.400 surrender the United States. I talked to mister Pultin. He's 384 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.640 gonna pay for all the reconstruction. You're gonna be the 385 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.440 governor if you want to work with them, but you 386 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.000 got to surrender. You could end it one day. We're 387 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.759 not gonna give you a penny more. Mister Zoynsky, he 388 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.279 was a stand up comedian, that's what he's doing. And 389 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.480 where the fool's laughing. He's laughing all the way to 390 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.279 the bank, taking billions of John. 391 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.400 I should have had you on the line. I should 392 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.359 have had you on the line. Yeah, John, I'm just 393 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.039 trying to have a conversation with you screaming at me tonight, 394 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.319 which is which is really not dream. Yeah no, I 395 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.279 understand that. So I'm gonna let you go and let's 396 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.039 see if people reank you what you had to say, Oh, 397 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.160 thank you very much. Would have preferred the conversation. But hey, 398 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.559 sometimes sometimes you do you get it. Sometimes you don't. 399 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.279 Let me go next to Sandra in Carver. Sandra, have 400 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:05.720 had a couple of different viewpoints here. Where do you 401 00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:06.559