Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you Easy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: Well, the big story, in my opinion over the weekend
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Maybe it did,
Speaker 3: but it had ostensibly everything to do with Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: in which the Biden administration and I'm reading from an
Speaker 3: article out of the New York Times in the Boston
Speaker 3: Globe by Adam and Pois, Eric Schmidt and Julian Barnes
Speaker 3: dated November seventeenth, which was yesterday. President Biden has authorized
Speaker 3: the first use of US supplied long range missiles by
Speaker 3: Ukraine for strikes inside Russia. US official set the weapons
Speaker 3: are likely to be initially employed against Russian and North
Speaker 3: Korean troops in defense of Ukrainian forces in the Krusk
Speaker 3: region of Western Russia. The official set. Now, for those
Speaker 3: of you that have not been paying attention to this
Speaker 3: war now, which is getting very close to beginning, it's
Speaker 3: I forget. I mean, at this point could be well
Speaker 3: ending the third year. I'm heading into year four. I mean,
Speaker 3: how doesn't time fly? Mister Biden's decision is a major
Speaker 3: change in US policy. The choice of divided his advisors
Speaker 3: and his shift comes two months before President elect Donald J.
Speaker 3: Trump takes office having vowed to limit further support for Ukraine.
Speaker 3: So one of the issues that Donald Trump ran on,
Speaker 3: and one of the promises that he made is that
Speaker 3: he would end the war in Ukraine within twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: He said he might even end the war in Ukraine
Speaker 3: before he becomes president. Well, at least give him until
Speaker 3: you know he's president. Okay, this is really interesting. Clearly
Speaker 3: the bad guys here, without any question in my opinion,
Speaker 3: on the Russians, I mean, it's really not a close call.
Speaker 3: And they decided that they were going to invade Ukraine,
Speaker 3: they had to build up, and sure enough they did.
Speaker 3: And it has now been two years. It will soon
Speaker 3: be two years in February. Well, actually it's going to
Speaker 3: be three years. I've got to do the math here
Speaker 3: that I think we're coming up with the third anniversary
Speaker 3: of this this war. No one ever expected the Ukrainians
Speaker 3: to hold out now at tremendous costs. Okay, we've seen it.
Speaker 3: And the Russians now are are basically losing I'm told
Speaker 3: two or three, two to three thousand men a day.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's incredible. Yeah, we've gone by the one daymark.
Speaker 3: Of this war when you think about it. So we
Speaker 3: are heading towards the third anniversary of what has gone
Speaker 3: on now so much. Remember when it started, we thinking
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of weeks. Anyway, the decision by the
Speaker 3: president to send these long range missiles okay, is significant
Speaker 3: because it now puts the ball in Vladimir Putin's court.
Speaker 3: What is he going to do? First of all, there's
Speaker 3: ten thousand North Korean troops that are now working with
Speaker 3: the Russians. I mean, whoever would have imagined that? And
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian military has used drones to attack Moscow.
Speaker 3: Now again it's it's maybe the equivalent of a mosquito
Speaker 3: in terms of the strength. But that has shaken up Russia.
Speaker 3: The question is this wise certainly it's gonna maybe maybe
Speaker 3: help Ukraine turned the tide a little bit. But I
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier Archduke Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria of Austria,
Speaker 3: that's his full name. He was shot to death on
Speaker 3: June twenty eighth of nineteen fourteen. This was when Austria
Speaker 3: and Hungary were joined his assassination in Sarajevo. In the
Speaker 3: minds of many people was the spark that started World
Speaker 3: War One. And of course, when World War One ended
Speaker 3: and you had the Treaty of Versailles, many people believe
Speaker 3: that that treaty basically planted the seeds for someone like
Speaker 3: Hitler to come along in Germany as Hitler did in
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties and the Beaer Halls of Munich and
Speaker 3: encourage the Germans to rise up again. And of course, historically,
Speaker 3: I think all of us should remember that it was
Speaker 3: Stalin and Hitler who on September one, nineteen thirty nine,
Speaker 3: decided it would be just a swell idea to invade
Speaker 3: Poland from both the east and the west, which was
Speaker 3: the officials start of World War Two. So the question
Speaker 3: is the wisdom of what Joe Biden has done now
Speaker 3: with less than two months left in his presidency. My
Speaker 3: instinct is that probably Biden has wanted to do this
Speaker 3: for a long time, but many of his advisers had
Speaker 3: cautioned against it. The problem of this war will soon
Speaker 3: be inherited by Donald Trump. So I'm wondering, and if
Speaker 3: you think I'm crazy here, please tell me I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if there might not have been a bit
Speaker 3: of a plot hatched between President Biden and former President Trump,
Speaker 3: and maybe during that two hours or so that they
Speaker 3: met behind closed doors at the White House, that they
Speaker 3: have formulated a a bad cop good good cop dynamic.
Speaker 3: We often talk about good cop bad cop, meaning you
Speaker 3: do something really stupid and the police. One police officer
Speaker 3: questions you and says, hey, look, you know what you
Speaker 3: did was stupid, but there's no reason for you to
Speaker 3: go to jail for this. You know, if you can
Speaker 3: help us out here and maybe point at some of
Speaker 3: the other folks you're involved in who who were much
Speaker 3: worse than you, we might be able to work a deal.
Speaker 3: And then he leaves it in comes the bad cop,
Speaker 3: and the bad cop sticks his finger and your nose
Speaker 3: is look punk, You're going down. You are going down
Speaker 3: no matter what. Then he leaves and the goody good
Speaker 3: cop comes back in. You know, I'm speaking here metaphorically,
Speaker 3: but is it possible that Joe Biden, in an effort
Speaker 3: to maybe end his presidency on a high note, has
Speaker 3: decided to say to Zelensky, Okay, the missiles are yours,
Speaker 3: use him as you see fit, and that he hopes
Speaker 3: that that will give his successor, Donald Trump, some leverage
Speaker 3: when Trump calls Putin at some point, maybe on January twentieth,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Maybe there's emissaries before you know, there
Speaker 3: are concerns about anybody other than the president contacting other
Speaker 3: world leaders, and at that point Trump might say to
Speaker 3: Putin on January twentieth, hey, look, no, you've dealt with
Speaker 3: this situation. You've done this. But look, this might be
Speaker 3: the time for you to win the Nobel Peace Prize,
Speaker 3: Vladimir and announce that you have decided that the hostilities
Speaker 3: must end. I'm just trying to figure out what the
Speaker 3: timing of this would be. So I'm sure some of
Speaker 3: you feel it's long overdue. I'm sure some of you
Speaker 3: feel that we have crossed a bit of a line here.
Speaker 3: I don't want to call it the Rubicon, but we've
Speaker 3: crossed a little bit of a line. And we now
Speaker 3: have challenged Putin. And if Putin does something really stupid,
Speaker 3: really stupid, meaning somehow launching a strike against a NATO force,
Speaker 3: even though Ukraine is not a member of NATO, what
Speaker 3: would we do? What would we do? All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: And I've been thinking about this for a few months,
Speaker 3: this is a real bloodbath between Ukraine and Russia, and
Speaker 3: if anything, their neighbors. They they're very close in terms
Speaker 3: of proximity geographic proximity. Obviously next to each other, but
Speaker 3: they also have I'm sure interfamiliar relationships and in that
Speaker 3: Dynesque region. Again, I don't want to do like a
Speaker 3: history thing, but in the Dynesque region there's a lot
Speaker 3: of Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Republic.
Speaker 3: It's a mess. It's a mess. There have been tens
Speaker 3: of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
Speaker 3: killed or maimed over this war. They must be a
Speaker 3: way to end it. And is this a predicate? Does
Speaker 3: this give Trump an opportunity to fulfill that promise? Obviously,
Speaker 3: if this fighting is going on into February, March, April May,
Speaker 3: then Donald Trump's promised that he would end the war
Speaker 3: within twenty four hours would not have been fulfilled. I
Speaker 3: just want to one of the phone lines, this is
Speaker 3: this is one that hit me right between the eyes
Speaker 3: over the weekend. We have been very cautious, uh in
Speaker 3: the Biden administration has been very cautious in what they
Speaker 3: have chosen to do and not to do. This is
Speaker 3: it's not throwing caution into the wind, but it is
Speaker 3: giving Ukraine the ability to really have an impact offensively,
Speaker 3: not just defensively. Six one seven, two thirty, six one seven, nine,
Speaker 3: ten thirty the numbers. I think we need to talk
Speaker 3: about this. Those of us who have been I guess,
Speaker 3: on this good earth for fifty sixty years or more,
Speaker 3: realize that the US is still the leader of the
Speaker 3: free world and with that role comes responsibility. At the
Speaker 3: same time, we have seen our country sleepwalk into situations which,
Speaker 3: in retrospect, maybe our leaders should have used a little
Speaker 3: more caution in timidity. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it coming back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the phone, see what people
Speaker 3: have to say. Again. I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: fascinating as to how this plays out over the next
Speaker 3: two months. Jeff in Waldam, Jeff, you are first this
Speaker 3: hour and Knightside.
Speaker 4: Go right ahead, Jeff, Okay, I'm honored. Dan. I think
Speaker 4: your good cop bad coop conjecture is very intelligent because
Speaker 4: this way, and you know, I don't know whether or
Speaker 4: not that is at play here, but what that would
Speaker 4: do would be to add more negotiability to the crisis, okay,
Speaker 4: And would would add more maneuverability to the situation, so
Speaker 4: that Putin would be less likely to make an unduly
Speaker 4: rash move and because of the changing situation, okay, and
Speaker 4: he would have more incentive to wait. Okay, But I
Speaker 4: want to say this, there is one thing I do
Speaker 4: want to say. I wish this war would add I mean,
Speaker 4: really it's you know, it's just bad for Orchancern, obviously,
Speaker 4: but I think that the number one priority for this
Speaker 4: country is that security, our national security. Okay. And I
Speaker 4: don't know whether that interest would be served or disserved
Speaker 4: because I'm not an authority of these issues. But I
Speaker 4: don't know whether our national security will be served or
Speaker 4: deserved by the inclusion of long range missile attacks across
Speaker 4: the Russian border. Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, the question the question is what what will Rush,
Speaker 3: What will, if anything, will Russia do in response? And
Speaker 3: that's that's the question.
Speaker 4: We don't know. We don't know, but it may not
Speaker 4: be worth in terms of American national security. It may
Speaker 4: not be worth risking locking horns with the Russians militarily.
Speaker 4: It may not be worth it to us in terms
Speaker 4: of our national security, which I think I mean, after all,
Speaker 4: the purpose of the formation of NATA in the first
Speaker 4: place was national security, Okay, and as that goal is
Speaker 4: subordinated uh to something else, Uh, there's something really amiss.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you agree with that?
Speaker 3: I think it's how I think it's it's how it
Speaker 3: would be interpreted in my in my opinion, I'm Jeff.
Speaker 3: So look, I appreciate your call, appreciate your perspective, and
Speaker 3: it's always good to get a good call. Starting off,
Speaker 3: thank you, Jeff appreciated, smiling.
Speaker 4: Oh kay, and thank you for the airtime. Ye welcome.
Speaker 3: Good night. Let me go to Daryl in New Brunswick, Canada. Darryl,
Speaker 3: what's your thought up there? Is this a story that
Speaker 3: Canadians are talking about or has it? Did they miss it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Dan, Actually it's quite the conversation because it goes back
Speaker 5: to even about Canadian American relation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: But I still have to back Biden if I can
Speaker 5: go back to when he pulled out Afghanistan abruptly, but
Speaker 5: his advisors pull them out the wrong way. And we
Speaker 5: had a conversation prior about how Russia was accumulating this
Speaker 5: stuff needed for conflict.
Speaker 3: And well, Russian massed on their border. And Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: you know, shortly after the disaster Kabul said nobody. He
Speaker 3: didn't think Russia was going to invade Ukraine. It's pretty
Speaker 3: obvious what Russia tended to do. Well.
Speaker 5: Actually, my opinion is he was actually without letting Russia know,
Speaker 5: allowing letting know that American soldiers are available elsewhere if
Speaker 5: it makes sense, but it doesn't, right, bottom line, Well, I.
Speaker 3: Missed that, Jeff, excuse me, Jeff, Jared, I totally missed
Speaker 3: that Biden was saying, no, they didn't think that Russia
Speaker 3: was going to invade and of course they did invade him.
Speaker 3: By the way, it was on in February twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: so we're coming up on the third anniversary in a
Speaker 3: couple of months here.
Speaker 5: Correct, But they appreciated that. Correct, But if you're not
Speaker 5: letting your opponent know what your thoughts are, and obviously
Speaker 5: it didn't happen that way, and it worked out possibly better.
Speaker 3: Who do you work out better for Darryl? If Biden
Speaker 3: had said to putin. Look, I have no idea what
Speaker 3: you're doing out there, but you make a huge mistake
Speaker 3: and there'll be a consequence. I don't know. I mean Biden, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. My feeling is that he wasn't tough
Speaker 3: enough in February of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. But
Speaker 5: reference the long range missile application. Now, Russia has been
Speaker 5: hit in places where they weren't supposed to under agreement,
Speaker 5: and so let Ukraine hit back as hard as they
Speaker 5: can and let Russia know that, Hey, the world's behind them.
Speaker 5: Because if Belarus is like a spearhead just between Ukraine
Speaker 5: and Norway and whatnot, and therefore if Russia there's.
Speaker 3: A lot, there's a lot between Norway and Ukraine as
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, there's a whole bunch of uh.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, Poling and Hu and Belarus between Ukraine and
Speaker 5: other countries. Uh, that can be as spearhead as a wedge. Yeah, okay, Well,
Speaker 5: bottom bottom line, and we got to stick together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Well, the Canadians always do, that's for sure. No,
Speaker 3: we get a cold the Canadian cities.
Speaker 5: Let's let's hit Russia as hard as we can.
Speaker 3: Well, hard as we can means means some bombs bigger
Speaker 3: even I didn't even want to think about those sort
Speaker 3: of bombs, if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Daryl, Well, if you go back to old general patent, UH,
Speaker 5: if you want to do an internet virus, you can
Speaker 5: call patent pending.
Speaker 3: Okay, spelled a little differently, but I guess maybe that's
Speaker 3: what you want to talk about it.
Speaker 5: If that virus, No, No, it's all It's all about
Speaker 5: making sure that we do the right thing.
Speaker 3: I would agree. Thanks, darre I appreciate your call. Six one, seven,
Speaker 3: two five, four ten thirty is the phone number. Are
Speaker 3: you concerned about this or is this something that just
Speaker 3: we we now have become inured to UH, and that
Speaker 3: you're convinced that no matter what we have done or
Speaker 3: no matter what we're currently doing, that Russia is going
Speaker 3: to make sure that it stays in that part of
Speaker 3: the world. That's really the question. I'm asking. Only lines
Speaker 3: open six one, seven, four ten thirty. That'll get you
Speaker 3: through if you want coming back on night Side.
Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's
Speaker 2: news radio.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan Watkins. Let's go to Lawrence in West Roxbury. Lawrence,
Speaker 3: you're next one.
Speaker 6: Nice, I welcome, Yes, thank you, mister Ray. I think
Speaker 6: that we're a day late and a dollar shot being
Speaker 6: firmed with Russia. We should have been firm with them
Speaker 6: in February three years ago and made it clear to
Speaker 6: them if they invaded the Ukraine, we were going to
Speaker 6: defend the Ukraine immediately. And I think that I don't
Speaker 6: know whether the President asked the advisors what they taught them,
Speaker 6: but as the advisers I'm talking about, the military advisors
Speaker 6: would have told them more than ready to do that.
Speaker 6: And I think that he stayed out there four months
Speaker 6: outside the Ukraine getting ready to do this, and not
Speaker 6: once did we send mister Blincoln to inform him of
Speaker 6: what we would do. And we should have been firm
Speaker 6: with him three years ago and the Ukraine would not
Speaker 6: have been attacked. That's my judgment.
Speaker 3: Well, he certainly took his time masked the troops and
Speaker 3: we've seen the result. It's been carnage on both sides.
Speaker 3: We have now Ukrainian troops fairly inside holding some portions
Speaker 3: of Russia. We have Russian troops in the Genesque region.
Speaker 3: Russia still holds you know holds onto Crimea.
Speaker 6: I'm very familiar. I have a PhD in Soviet history
Speaker 6: from BC. I was one of rovertam last students. And
Speaker 6: you know I also spent a decade and a half
Speaker 6: flying the Soviets border for the United States Air Force.
Speaker 6: I have a good sebety goad you.
Speaker 1: What that error was?
Speaker 3: Whatever was that?
Speaker 6: If I could ask Lawrence, I flew the border from
Speaker 6: on and off from nineteen sixty one to nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 6: and I spent four years in Now I'm in between.
Speaker 6: So what happened I have to share with you. Though
Speaker 6: we should have been firm with them in February three
Speaker 6: years ago.
Speaker 3: And in your in your opinion, and I respect your
Speaker 3: opinion immensely, particularly a view of your experience. If we
Speaker 3: had said, hey, don't invade, and he had gone ahead
Speaker 3: and invaded, what could have we done either militarily economically
Speaker 3: that that would have cost him? He would have had
Speaker 3: to pay a price.
Speaker 6: What what could have we done the first night that
Speaker 6: he tried to fly airplanes into the Ukraine. We would
Speaker 6: have met them with both the second and forced fight
Speaker 6: Obamba Division that's in Europe, and you know that had
Speaker 6: been the end of it, and that that and we
Speaker 6: all we had to do is put it in position
Speaker 6: so we knew it was there.
Speaker 3: And you're talking, you're talking about shootdowns.
Speaker 6: I am talking about shootdowns. Okay, So that again they understand,
Speaker 6: they understand that.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, all right? When worried.
Speaker 6: Every now and then I would fly against the so
Speaker 6: be a fight at stationed in China, they stopped doing
Speaker 6: that after we shot fifteen of them down.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, let me say this, and I say it
Speaker 3: with admiration. You are a Cold War warrior and your
Speaker 3: service was invaluable. Thank you very much for your service.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm sure there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: people on the line that may not agree with what
Speaker 6: I just said, But that's all right. You can you
Speaker 6: can handle them for me.
Speaker 3: I can. I can look for you, Lawrens. Well, it's
Speaker 3: hoped someday to meet you in person and h and
Speaker 3: shake your hand. Thank you very much, Lawrence. Good night.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting background. Let me go next to John
Speaker 3: and Boston. John. What's going on? John?
Speaker 7: Yeah, good evening. Dan. You know, I'm wondering if you
Speaker 7: could have somebody on your show. Billions of dollars have
Speaker 7: gone to Ukraine and what does the average paycheck Joe
Speaker 7: and checked Josephin supposed to get to that. It's just amazing,
Speaker 7: Like we got hospitals are struggling in Massachusetts. There's no
Speaker 7: money for them, but there's money for Ukraine. And I've
Speaker 7: been trying to look on YouTube and basically this is
Speaker 7: the war between America and Russia that will be the same. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you know in the Warhawks in what's happening.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to ask you a question. Yeah, okay, what,
Speaker 3: in your opinion, should have we done when Putin in
Speaker 3: February of twenty twenty two decided to invade Ukraine? What
Speaker 3: should what should we have done?
Speaker 7: You're looking at You're looking at the last minute. According
Speaker 7: to YouTube, I said, this has been going off for decades.
Speaker 7: America's foreign policy of pushing NATO close during closer and
Speaker 7: close to the Russia. Spot the whole thing. It's not
Speaker 7: just one day Putin walk up and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 7: that'd be a guess to go invade Ukraine and the
Speaker 7: United States. I like the other benefit, I see no,
Speaker 7: But as far as I'm concerned, and I think you
Speaker 7: have po Putin takes Russia, what do I get to lose.
Speaker 7: I don't see anything. It's a terrible thing happening.
Speaker 3: But I think I think you meant to say somebody
Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, he already has Russia. I think you
Speaker 3: meant to say that if Putin would to take Ukraine
Speaker 3: would have been, in your opinion, no big deal.
Speaker 7: I don't care if he takes it, Go Putin go.
Speaker 7: It was part of Ukraine, was part of Russia at
Speaker 7: one time. America is calling China, Hey, you better say
Speaker 7: out of Taiwan. I don't like America's foreign policy. I
Speaker 7: think most of the listeners don't know that America has
Speaker 7: over eight hundred bases around the world. Just gotta stop.
Speaker 7: We got to pull back and have a neutral foreign policy.
Speaker 7: And as Einstein said, you can't prepare for war and
Speaker 7: peace simultaneously. There's no money in peace. There's no money
Speaker 7: in it. You know, we gotta have wars because it's
Speaker 7: big money.
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan, I think said something paraphrasing. Now, the best
Speaker 3: way to maintain the peace is be prepared for war.
Speaker 7: Well, you know they're doing a terrible job that they
Speaker 7: would love to send American troops in Ukraine. I'm sure
Speaker 7: these warhawks, but they know the public won't go far
Speaker 7: it here, you know, so I see no one asks
Speaker 7: to me if takes it, go ahead, take it. I
Speaker 7: hope he does. You know, put me in the White House,
Speaker 7: you know, hard ended Zinskey. You gotta surrender like japaarings,
Speaker 7: surrender the United States. I talked to mister Pultin. He's
Speaker 7: gonna pay for all the reconstruction. You're gonna be the
Speaker 7: governor if you want to work with them, but you
Speaker 7: got to surrender. You could end it one day. We're
Speaker 7: not gonna give you a penny more. Mister Zoynsky, he
Speaker 7: was a stand up comedian, that's what he's doing. And
Speaker 7: where the fool's laughing. He's laughing all the way to
Speaker 7: the bank, taking billions of John.
Speaker 3: I should have had you on the line. I should
Speaker 3: have had you on the line. Yeah, John, I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to have a conversation with you screaming at me tonight,
Speaker 3: which is which is really not dream. Yeah no, I
Speaker 3: understand that. So I'm gonna let you go and let's
Speaker 3: see if people reank you what you had to say, Oh,
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Would have preferred the conversation. But hey,
Speaker 3: sometimes sometimes you do you get it. Sometimes you don't.
Speaker 3: Let me go next to Sandra in Carver. Sandra, have
Speaker 3: had a couple of different viewpoints here. Where do you
Speaker 3: sit on this one?
Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 8: And I did not go beyond me that Trump had
Speaker 8: a little conversation with Putin? Did he not? Over the phone?
Speaker 3: I am not aware of that, and I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I may be incorrect here, but there's also I think
Speaker 3: some protocols that need to be followed, and I would
Speaker 3: be careful if I were Donald Trump in that we
Speaker 3: have one president and his name at the moment is
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and we could not have a lot of
Speaker 3: different politicians speaking to foreign leaders. That's a technical issue, Sandra.
Speaker 3: You might be right. He may have spoken to him.
Speaker 3: I don't know that for certain.
Speaker 8: Okay, there's just news that I picked up on my
Speaker 8: favorite station, WBZ.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I appreciate that.
Speaker 8: Okay, it was my understanding that Pewtin had called to
Speaker 8: congratulate him and blah blah blah, and then shortly after
Speaker 8: that Pewtin advanced further and was attacking Ukraine. Worst so
Speaker 8: I don't care for that too much. It's not a
Speaker 8: good sign. I think Putin. I think Trump is a
Speaker 8: little bit too friendly with Putin. Putin's not a good person.
Speaker 8: In fact, I bumped into somebody Russian descent right in
Speaker 8: my town and he stands there and goes Putin's good.
Speaker 8: He doesn't like somebody, He just kills them. He's not
Speaker 8: an acceptable individual. He's a dictator, and he's extremely dangerous.
Speaker 8: And people can't just sit and sit back and let
Speaker 8: him run over all these countries. And you've got all
Speaker 8: the countries of Scandinavian countries, You've got poland you've got
Speaker 8: all of these countries, Germany, everybody that'll sit there as
Speaker 8: he gradually eats them all up, and you can't do that.
Speaker 3: I was trying to check. Okay, let me just share
Speaker 3: this with you, okay. Writers is reporting that the Kremlin
Speaker 3: has denied reports that US President elect Donald Trump had
Speaker 3: spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent days and
Speaker 3: said Putin has no concrete plans yet to speak to Trump.
Speaker 3: Now again, that you're taking the word of the Kremlin,
Speaker 3: which is I mean, uh, you got you got to
Speaker 3: take up with a big rain of salt okay. But
Speaker 3: again the Kremlin is saying reports of a conversation last
Speaker 3: week between Trump and and Putin President elect Trump and
Speaker 3: Putin are run trup.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right?
Speaker 3: So I mean I don't know, well, I don't know
Speaker 3: because I have no way of knowing that. I can
Speaker 3: only tell you what the reports are.
Speaker 8: That's all okay, right right, And then myself, I just
Speaker 8: listened to things all the time. But I will say
Speaker 8: one saying, the Russian people, remember there was Ivan, the terrible,
Speaker 8: same kind of personality. He didn't like. Somebody just kill him,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, no, no. Putin's not a good guy.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. I mean, the horror that
Speaker 3: he is imposed on Ukraine is arguably criminal. I mean,
Speaker 3: he initiated a war there wasn't you know. I talked
Speaker 3: earlier about Archduke Ferdinand when he was assassinated in Sarajevo
Speaker 3: in nineteen fourteen. It was it was probably the spark
Speaker 3: that lit the powder cleg peg keg, powder keg that
Speaker 3: led to World War One. So Putin just said I
Speaker 3: want Ukraine. He invaded Crimea and took Crimea right after
Speaker 3: the socio Olympic Games. Is not a good guy. But
Speaker 3: the question is how do you handle it, that's the question.
Speaker 8: I think our rangers should sneak in there and take
Speaker 8: him out, but that's beside the point country.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that that is legal. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's one thing to take out UH an enemy combatant.
Speaker 3: You know, some have Bin Laden or in UH solo
Speaker 3: maning the head of the Kotch Force because they were combatants.
Speaker 3: I don't know that we're allowed to take out other
Speaker 3: political leaders for a constitutional basis. But we'll see UH
Speaker 3: as always. Andrew love your calls. Thank you much, very
Speaker 3: very insightful. Thank you.
Speaker 8: Okay, thank you, have a good night, byebye YouTube.
Speaker 3: Let's keep rolling here. We'll take a quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 3: I'm going to come back with Paul and Portsmouth, Theodore
Speaker 3: in Baltimore, John and North Carolina, and Mike and Beverly,
Speaker 3: and we will carry this into the next hour, I promise,
Speaker 3: coming back on night side.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 2: nights Side Studios on w BZ the news Radio.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go keep rolling. You're going to go
Speaker 3: to Paul up in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Paul next on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Hi, Yeah, my name is Paul. My background
Speaker 1: military force deployment chief, logistics mobility chief, or base fighter pilot.
Speaker 1: I'd like to explain how the war started and how
Speaker 1: it will probably end. And I'll try to be succinct.
Speaker 3: I think most of us know how it started. But
Speaker 3: go ahead, love to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service.
Speaker 1: Okay, we had Trump in office, we were an oil
Speaker 1: exporting country. In twenty twenty Biden came in. We vastly
Speaker 1: decreased our production of petroleum and we were no longer
Speaker 1: exporting in Europe. They were importing oil from Russia and
Speaker 1: the price of that oil went like sky high. Putin
Speaker 1: had the money now to engage in a war. It
Speaker 1: takes money to have a war. You just can't say
Speaker 1: I want to have a war. So in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two we started the Russia Ukraine War.
Speaker 3: We did started. We watched as Russia started it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Russia started to warm.
Speaker 9: Sorry.
Speaker 1: And then now Putin knows that Trump is going to
Speaker 1: be coming into office and he's going to open the spickets.
Speaker 1: This will provide the oil to Europe and Russia is
Speaker 1: their cash is going to dry up, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: the lack of money is going to be what ends
Speaker 1: US war.
Speaker 5: Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Why why do you think why do you think President Biden,
Speaker 3: in the waning days of his administration, uh, decided to
Speaker 3: give Zelensky these missile missiles, which can I guess go
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety five or two hundred miles. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how close Moscow is Takiev or to the
Speaker 3: western border Ukraine. But uh, you know, it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of an interesting move by Joe Biden in the final
Speaker 3: day of his presidency.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I first heard this, I got
Speaker 1: a little nervous, you know, but you have to say,
Speaker 1: whether you really want to fight a war or not.
Speaker 1: Do you want Ukraine to win this war or not?
Speaker 1: You just can't like keep helping him a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: a major move where we have US weapons going deep
Speaker 1: into Russia. Yeah, I don't I don't know what was
Speaker 1: going on in his mind, but but I see that
Speaker 1: Putin is going to realize the money's drying up to
Speaker 1: have this war.
Speaker 3: Trump comes out, Okay, well, look, Paul, I appreciate that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh an interesting point of view. I appreciate you taking
Speaker 3: the time to call and uh, I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've called before, but to help you call more often.
Speaker 3: It's a good call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first call.
Speaker 3: Okay, we get her out of applause for you. Don't
Speaker 3: be shy. Let us know. Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to just yes, say things that I
Speaker 1: I know about and you know I'm not guessing you know.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you you.
Speaker 3: Certainly establish your bona FIDE's that's for sure. Thank you,
Speaker 3: Thank you again.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Good Let me good night. Let me go to Theodore
Speaker 3: in Baltimore Theatre. Next on, nice, I go ahead.
Speaker 9: Well, first, I'd like to make the correction. We became
Speaker 9: a net world exporter under mister Obama and that's still
Speaker 9: the case. Secondly, Trump, I'll call him the Trader, has
Speaker 9: been compromised by Poot quite some time ago. He's going
Speaker 9: to end the war in twenty five hours by allowing
Speaker 9: Putin to keep the territory that he is conquered.
Speaker 4: That's wow.
Speaker 3: So but let me let me just before before we
Speaker 3: get theatre, before we get speculative here, why do you
Speaker 3: think in his forty sixth month in the White House
Speaker 3: and he only has forty but it is the winning
Speaker 3: days of his presidency. He decided to give Ukraine the
Speaker 3: option to use these missiles for inside.
Speaker 9: Russia, simply because he wants Ukraine as much as he can,
Speaker 9: as far as day can go. With these listeners to
Speaker 9: defend themselves because they know once Trump gets in, he's
Speaker 9: not going to honor anything. He's not going to even
Speaker 9: protect Todd wo.
Speaker 3: Again, it becomes an attack on Trump, which is fine,
Speaker 3: But my question is, if that is true, why didn't
Speaker 3: Why has Biden waited so long? I mean, Zelensky's been
Speaker 3: asking for the capacity to use these missiles for some time.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm perplexed by it. I'll tell you, I
Speaker 3: honestly don't know. I'm not asking you a challenging questions.
Speaker 9: No, it's no secret he hesitated because his age, his
Speaker 9: military people told him, well, you know, maybe as Tom
Speaker 9: goes on, if the election goes his way, he can
Speaker 9: continue and increase support. So that's what he's doing. He
Speaker 9: knows that Trump although you can't believe anything he says,
Speaker 9: it's twenty four.
Speaker 3: Theater again, we're coming back to a Trump ash, which
Speaker 3: is fine, you and I can do that plenty of times.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, Joe Biden's been out of
Speaker 3: the presidential race since last July, August, September, October, half
Speaker 3: of November. Why didn't he say to Zelensky in August
Speaker 3: or late July, September, October, hey, use those missiles in
Speaker 3: the way you want.
Speaker 9: I think he did that simply though he's been out
Speaker 9: of the race. I think he was hedging his bets
Speaker 9: on the election number one and number two. He simply
Speaker 9: is very committed to doing everything he can to help
Speaker 9: mister Zelensky and the Ukrainians fight their fight.
Speaker 7: And Ali, Now.
Speaker 3: Here's my last question to you. Is this okay? And
Speaker 3: I'm just coming up on the eleven here, so I
Speaker 3: hate to do this take as lormally we go a
Speaker 3: little longer. My question is this what happens in your
Speaker 3: mind if if Putin says, you know what, says, they're
Speaker 3: going to fire missiles in on our country, I'm going
Speaker 3: to throw a couple of missiles in on Hungary or
Speaker 3: Poland you know, how do you keep this thing from escalating?
Speaker 9: Well, first of all, if he does that, we won't
Speaker 9: have anything to do with it. Trump cares not about
Speaker 9: really the defense of it.
Speaker 3: And we're coming back to Trump, coming back to Trump
Speaker 3: two months.
Speaker 9: If he does that, Dan, you you you you, you
Speaker 9: seem to shy away from the truth about him. He's
Speaker 9: going to be the president in about sixty days. And
Speaker 9: he's not going to keep any treaty. He's not going
Speaker 9: to do Section five of the NATO treaty. He's not
Speaker 9: even gonna protect I want. And guess what happens once
Speaker 9: he does this, Dan, He's going to get the contract
Speaker 9: and him and his buddies to rebuild Ukraine, and he's
Speaker 9: going to get a hotel in Russia. That's twitting him
Speaker 9: and his family is increasing their money, their wealth through
Speaker 9: the government.
Speaker 3: It's just okay, all right, I gave you a long
Speaker 3: lease tonight.
Speaker 9: Okay, but the issue, but scale back and say happy,
Speaker 9: happy Thanksgiving, eat a lot and forget about this.
Speaker 3: Call Happy Thanksgiving you and your stat We'll be back
Speaker 3: by all right, good night, I tried. We will be back.
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