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<v Speaker 1>Deborah, with her thirty years of being an entrepreneur and

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<v Speaker 1>creating over seven companies, knows exactly what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>accept the mission. When you make that decision, when you

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<v Speaker 1>accept the mission to become a solopreneur, to take yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and your talents to market, then you embrace a life

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<v Speaker 1>of not only unlimited possibilities, but also the unknown. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an elixir of fear and bravery that only someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>taken the leap really understands. On our show, deb digs

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<v Speaker 1>deep with her guests to highlight what you the listener

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know the stories, the whys, and the hows

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate the journey to success. Get ready to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from some of the most incredible mission takers from Generation

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<v Speaker 1>Z to boomers. So sit up, perk up, and get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to be blown away. Now Here is your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah Drummond's.

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<v Speaker 2>A low and fulcoment of fact, if you accepted five

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<v Speaker 2>past me would have just heard what the show's all

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<v Speaker 2>about about people that take a mission. And predominantly I

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<v Speaker 2>know that my audience because I get to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you and meet you often, especially when I show up

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<v Speaker 2>live in places, and there's no better I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>Bill's going to agree with me when we start chatting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no better when you get to meet people in

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<v Speaker 2>person that you're being inspired by or they're being inspired

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<v Speaker 2>by you, and you get to have that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that handshake, that meeting, that hello, that conversation, getting to

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<v Speaker 2>know people better, which is really one of the topics

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to talk about, is about making people

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<v Speaker 2>better today. Feeling better, living better, having access to betterment

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<v Speaker 2>is so important.

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<v Speaker 3>And as an audience, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what, my audience today, you that are listening, you

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<v Speaker 2>are just the most caring audience. How's that you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what we're talking about today. If you would

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<v Speaker 2>hang around long enough, you know, you too get to

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<v Speaker 2>get leaned in on on what we're going to share today.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had the pleasure of meeting mister Bill Cohen

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<v Speaker 2>on line as many of us were doing, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were meeting new people from all over the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of came together on the beliefs that we

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<v Speaker 2>had around health and wellness and making people better. And

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<v Speaker 2>look at a lot of you, I know are entrepreneurs

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<v Speaker 2>and you're doing things, and you're on mission, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>caring for yourself and your care for your business, and

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<v Speaker 2>your care for people in your life. And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole game around caring on self and others and the

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<v Speaker 2>balance of that and what you do when when you

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<v Speaker 2>do it. But I always see people in the health

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<v Speaker 2>and wellness sector as kind of like servant leaders, because

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<v Speaker 2>predominantly when you're teaching someone to take care of themselves

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<v Speaker 2>or you're giving advice that makes their life better, there

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<v Speaker 2>is what we call the domino effect, the ripple effect,

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<v Speaker 2>the whatever it is that you're doing, and other people benefit.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that whole philosophy around betterment.

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<v Speaker 2>So me and Bill were chatting, and as you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>me talk before, I kind of have this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of organs in the body, one being

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the lymphatic system, the skin, and the brain

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<v Speaker 2>that I absolutely love. And he was sharing some really

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<v Speaker 2>incredible statistics and sharing a story about his life and

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<v Speaker 2>how he learned more about the brain and what that

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<v Speaker 2>was all about. And then, like most I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you want to call it, I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>going to brave courageous entrepreneurs, But they had a personal

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<v Speaker 2>experience and they turned it into their mission, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I just love about this man. And we

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<v Speaker 2>get to meet him in person soon enough as he

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<v Speaker 2>comes over to is a Canadian, so the world of Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>So with no further ado, let me give you a

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<v Speaker 2>title that you may not have heard before. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>my title, it's his title. But I'm loving this.

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<v Speaker 3>We just shared earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that he is a caregiving support consultant

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<v Speaker 2>and that's something that I've known Bill to do. But

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<v Speaker 2>I loved this and I love to see when people's

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<v Speaker 2>businesses start to merge and grow with the needs of community.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is also a trained elder mediator, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to dig a little bit into that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Bill, welcome to mission.

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<v Speaker 4>Accepted today, Thanks for having me. It's an houtor be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my gosh. I love that French.

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<v Speaker 2>I call it when I when I get to meet

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<v Speaker 2>someone like yourself, and it's not some when I met

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<v Speaker 2>in business that's turned into a biz ship, you know, friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop put it together all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Never mind my little my little fun part.

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<v Speaker 2>So look, I mean, go ahead, that's what makes you

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<v Speaker 2>you as it makes me me. I just introduced you

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<v Speaker 2>as a caregiver mediator, elder, what do you do and

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<v Speaker 2>how did this come into your life?

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<v Speaker 4>So interestingly? Tomorrow is the anniversary of a date that

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<v Speaker 4>changed my life, my family's life. My mother was living

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<v Speaker 4>in Biloxi, Mississippi, of all places, I'm not from there.

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<v Speaker 4>I live in the Portland, Oregon area. I'm originally from

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<v Speaker 4>New England. And she was showing signs of concern and

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<v Speaker 4>we thought, was she just getting tired, was she getting older,

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<v Speaker 4>stressed out taking care of my late stepfather. But what

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<v Speaker 4>happened nineteen years ago tomorrow on the Gulf Coast Hurricane Katrina.

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<v Speaker 4>Their home was completely swept away in the storm surge.

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<v Speaker 4>It was that bad. Fortunately they had evacuated safely, but

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<v Speaker 4>she came back to that house expecting it to be there,

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<v Speaker 4>and the trauma just exacerbated accelerated whatever is going on

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<v Speaker 4>with her. Make a long story short, she was on

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<v Speaker 4>the East Coach with other family members. I started attending

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<v Speaker 4>a support group, getting counselate, talking to a care community.

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<v Speaker 4>I moved her out here to Portland after a bit,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was her primary caregiver. But she was in

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<v Speaker 4>a very wonderful care community, faith based nonprofit for about

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<v Speaker 4>five years. Four of which were memory care, and she

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<v Speaker 4>passed away eleven years ago this past February at age

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<v Speaker 4>eighty three. Now that support group I kept going for

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit. I became the facilitator. I got involved

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<v Speaker 4>with fundraising the walked into Alzheimer's and going to the

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<v Speaker 4>Capitol and raising funds to get more research funds to

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<v Speaker 4>find a cure, which were still working on. But as

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<v Speaker 4>I was working a completely unrelated government job, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>as I approached retirement that oh, I'll just do more

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<v Speaker 4>volunteer work. But I came across this concept of caregiving

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<v Speaker 4>support consultant, and the really short version of all that

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<v Speaker 4>is I turned my pain, my loss into my passion

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<v Speaker 4>and what some people refer to as a noncore career.

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<v Speaker 4>What you really want to do, what's fulfilling, what's gratifying

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<v Speaker 4>to you, And it's all in my mom's memory and honor.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I do is I provide advice, support resources,

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<v Speaker 4>referrals to family caregivers so they can not only take

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<v Speaker 4>care of their loved one, manage the care. But we'll

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<v Speaker 4>talk about this in a moment, self care prevention, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's very important. And I put together the care team

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<v Speaker 4>and the care plan so the caregiver doesn't feel so alone, overwhelmed, isolated,

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<v Speaker 4>stressed out, losing sleep. I tried to help them sleep

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<v Speaker 4>better night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And that's a lot, right. That's not only are

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<v Speaker 2>you dealing with family, a member by nature which has

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<v Speaker 2>its own you know, beg of marbles. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>there's dynamics, there's relationships. You're not just dealing with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's a client or you know, there's or there isn't

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<v Speaker 2>history with which can be beneficial. And I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes challenging.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard over and over again how the parent doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to take advice from their child when that role

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<v Speaker 2>is now starting to be reversed.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Can you tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of those some of those nuances that happen that

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<v Speaker 2>are maybe unexpected or make people feel like, Am I

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<v Speaker 2>the only person that has a mother or father that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to take some good advice?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>It happens a lot because in most cases they've been independent,

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<v Speaker 4>they've been taking care of themselves. The rest of the

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<v Speaker 4>family goes about their own lives, and they may be

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<v Speaker 4>spread out all over. Part of the problem is that

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<v Speaker 4>you may not realize that until maybe you visit them

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<v Speaker 4>for the holidays and suddenly you see reasons for concern

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<v Speaker 4>and oh, mom, dad, we need to take some steps,

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<v Speaker 4>we need to do this. I'm going to come and

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<v Speaker 4>take over. Well, they're going to get resistant. Oh we're fine,

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<v Speaker 4>We're okay, We don't need any help. And they may

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<v Speaker 4>not be able to see the forest for the trees.

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<v Speaker 4>They may be in denial themselves because of their declining help.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I try to do is help family members

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<v Speaker 4>start talking about it, come together. They may not all

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<v Speaker 4>agree on every little nuance, but at least get on

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<v Speaker 4>the same page as far as taking care of your

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<v Speaker 4>family member is aging and may not be able to

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<v Speaker 4>take care of themselves let alone make their own decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to say, is that where the mediator

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<v Speaker 2>part of your.

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<v Speaker 3>Your services come into play?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you mediating for one side or are you meeting

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<v Speaker 2>within the family?

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, since you brought up a legal aspect, I'll use

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<v Speaker 4>a legal term. Depends And actually I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 4>the line that you told me a while back. Some

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<v Speaker 4>families can't decide on ordering pizza for dinner, let alone,

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<v Speaker 4>How where why et cetera? To take care of their

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<v Speaker 4>loved one. So the problem is that not everybody is

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<v Speaker 4>always on the same page, and they may be spread out,

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<v Speaker 4>and they'll have excuses, I'm too far away, I'm too busy,

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<v Speaker 4>i can't deal with it, I have a bad relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with mom, dad, whoever. But everybody can help in some way,

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<v Speaker 4>and if they do, even if it's a small piece

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<v Speaker 4>of the puzzle, they're a carrier. They're part of the

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<v Speaker 4>carry giving team. But what I try to do is

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<v Speaker 4>communicate and talk about the various issues as an elder mediator.

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<v Speaker 4>Not everybody's going to get what they want, but to

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<v Speaker 4>get to an agreement they all can live with, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and it keeps it out of the courts, keeps it

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<v Speaker 4>away for the lawyers. It's private, and the big key

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<v Speaker 4>is making sure everybody keeps talking so they can come

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<v Speaker 4>to an agreement that's in the best interest of their

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<v Speaker 4>loved one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, as you say that, so, I'm sure lots of

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<v Speaker 2>bills and whistles, and I think that's very much the

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<v Speaker 2>case right where some people are going to take on

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<v Speaker 2>more responsibility than others, or some can participate financially, some can't,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that I love how you say, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>at what degree people participate and they are still part

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<v Speaker 2>of the caregiving team. I'm sure that's very relieving for

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<v Speaker 2>most And so they go through that process, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine that they would need support through the whole process,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I imagine that maybe things change or things change

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<v Speaker 2>in people's lives and just having that kind of support. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine it would be quite beneficial to have someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's not attached emotionally to you know, when they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to the issues that may happen emotionally in a family dynamic.

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<v Speaker 4>An objective, neutral third party, right, and you'll make the

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<v Speaker 4>decision for them, right, they come to it themselves. And

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<v Speaker 4>the other aspect that I mentioned to I'm not a therapist,

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<v Speaker 4>fix your family problems. I can't fix your family dynamics.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I can give you a quick example where my family.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom's best interest at heart. I would listen and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it gets interesting. I'm sure it gets interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's more.

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times people don't realize that there might be

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<v Speaker 2>thought maybe she was forgetting things because she was stressed,

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the whole birth.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who remembers phone numbers anymore. We're all attached

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<v Speaker 2>to these phones that have our so you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>what's the line and what's not. But I would ask

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<v Speaker 2>more about Alzheimer's or dementia, or like what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>in your industry?

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<v Speaker 4>That's a really good question, because I think there is

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<v Speaker 4>an increasing awareness the general public, not just people in

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<v Speaker 4>the healthcare profession. But I don't like to get obsessed

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<v Speaker 4>about celebrities. But we can think about many people we've

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<v Speaker 4>heard in recent years, Glenn Campbell, Tony Bennett. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he had for breakfast, but that piano player started playing

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<v Speaker 4>But that raises awareness. Or movies like Still Alice or

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<v Speaker 4>so and so in the family. So it's a matter.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what I try to do. It's not just

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<v Speaker 4>raise that awareness about the things you should be doing first,

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<v Speaker 4>like make sure there's safe, to make sure the legal

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<v Speaker 4>documents are in place, have those conversations about how are

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<v Speaker 4>Because there's a lot of what IF's in there, so

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<v Speaker 4>every case is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to ask you if there was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of some advice that you can have. Whether it's because,

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<v Speaker 2>as in the world of health and wellness, preventative is

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<v Speaker 2>better than corrective. And at what point do you start

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<v Speaker 2>having those conversations and are people having those conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>people in their life before there's ever even any signs like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a possibility. You know, there's a percentage of

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<v Speaker 2>and where are those conversations to be had?

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<v Speaker 4>Well as soon as possible. You see some signs and

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<v Speaker 4>it could be as simple as the place is messy.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom's not making recipes the way she used to. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not taking care of the finances properly. They're repeating questions.

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<v Speaker 4>They come into a room and don't know why they

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<v Speaker 4>came in there. Now, the difference is that they may know,

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<v Speaker 4>We may remember why we went in there, but remember

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<v Speaker 4>what the room is for. Okay, it's like your cell phone,

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<v Speaker 4>or your glasses, or your or your keys to your car, right,

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<v Speaker 4>we remember what they are for. We all lose things

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<v Speaker 4>because we're also busy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, good point, good point.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it's a matter of if you have a

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<v Speaker 4>family history that's going to be a factor. Just that

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<v Speaker 4>somebody is getting into their seventies and eighties, the risk

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<v Speaker 4>levels of higher. But I should mention that. And my

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<v Speaker 4>mom was like the post a child that it's not

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<v Speaker 4>just genetics in age. Those definitely are risk factors, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's also your environment and your behavior, your lifestyle choices.

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<v Speaker 4>And I could and I could talk about those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk about a bit, you know, because if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not an issue, it may be.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the other thing. I don't think it's ever

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<v Speaker 3>too late to change your lifestyle choices.

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<v Speaker 4>Right because if you if you take steps right away

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<v Speaker 4>when there's some concern or there are some symptoms, some

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<v Speaker 4>behaviors that are changing, the sooner that you take action

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<v Speaker 4>on getting enough sleep, good nutrition, keeping physically active, socially active,

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<v Speaker 4>mentally active, doing puzzles and things like that, it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to help slow the progression and maintain a good quality

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<v Speaker 4>of life as soon as possible. And they didn't even

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<v Speaker 4>mention eating crap, which is an acronym for like the

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<v Speaker 4>carbonated soda is the added sugar is the process and

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<v Speaker 4>artificial foods or I don't know. If you've heard this

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<v Speaker 4>being up Europe and Canada, you may have the acronym

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<v Speaker 4>SAD Standard American diet, yes, right, yeah, oh, standard North

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<v Speaker 4>American diagonal. Right. So people eating like that, if they

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<v Speaker 4>start eating more healthy something like a Mediterranean style regimen

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<v Speaker 4>or diet, it is in their best interests and that

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<v Speaker 4>will help you long term. Again, my mom wasn't that old.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody else in the family has Alzheimer's. Maybe a little

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<v Speaker 4>mild cognitive impairment, m like eighty nine and ninety that

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<v Speaker 4>type of thing. But Mom was living out of that

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<v Speaker 4>Gulf coast with all the toxin pollutions and chemicals. She

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<v Speaker 4>used to smoke, She didn't exercise, She was socially isolated.

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<v Speaker 4>She was in the Carreger role. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>she was an entaglio printmaker and artist, etching into metal

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<v Speaker 4>plates and putting it into an acid bath for about

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<v Speaker 4>thirty years. Which thing, if any, or commination, we don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>but we know she had Alzheimer's. There was no question.

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<v Speaker 4>All the signs were there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think that's and I think when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that there's become more observation around neuronal differences

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<v Speaker 2>or neronal deficiencies or Alzheimer's or the whole gamut that

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<v Speaker 2>can happen in that arena that people are starting to

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<v Speaker 2>look at their lifestyle. And I think that if I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard you before many times and when you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what percentage of every of her activity

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<v Speaker 2>that she was doing, that played factor. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to having a healthy brain that those

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<v Speaker 2>percentages line up as well. So if it's like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not exercising, you don't have to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>gym every day, but you're doing something. If you're eating

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of packaged foods, you know that their package

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<v Speaker 2>with preservatives decrease your packaging you or what where you're

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<v Speaker 2>eating out of a package by half.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not difficult to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not difficult to do, or making different choices when

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<v Speaker 2>you're at a restaurant. So I was, I've just come

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<v Speaker 2>off the road I travel for work, and people say

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<v Speaker 2>to me all the time, oh my gosh, it must

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<v Speaker 2>be so difficult with the way you eat because I

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<v Speaker 2>have certain allergies, And I said, absolutely never, like absolutely never.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I always have, you know, sugar free granola bars

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<v Speaker 2>where I go, because if I need to shove something

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<v Speaker 2>in my face and a plane, that's fine, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you take responsibility for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've never been at a restaurant that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>put a meal together with the sides, Like I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>roasted potatoes and I'll have these vegetables and I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>this or whatever I'm eating, you can put it together.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody has been very accommodating in every country I've

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<v Speaker 2>gone to. I'm like, please don't put butter there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>use oil instead or whatever. So I think people's mind

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<v Speaker 2>ship ship has to change because I know when I

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<v Speaker 2>travel with people, they're like, yeah, well I'm just traveling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're traveling for two weeks, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, So you don't have to move off an

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<v Speaker 2>unhealthy diet. And I think people do that. And you

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<v Speaker 2>hear people I don't want to go on a cruise

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<v Speaker 2>because I come back ten pounds or eight pounds or

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<v Speaker 2>five pounds more because there's food everywhere, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, well, you don't have to eat it, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that it does come down to those

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<v Speaker 2>small choices over a continued manner of time that starts

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<v Speaker 2>to bank the odds in your favor right exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, why I talk about that a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm involved with a health and wellness team here in

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<v Speaker 4>my chamber of commerce, and I talked about a lot

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<v Speaker 4>because even though I'm not a practitioner, we have to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about self care and preventive care. So I call

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you say? Wellness tangential?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Tangential? Never heard of them? Does that mean that

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<v Speaker 3>you have other people that you really like? What is

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<v Speaker 3>I've done on?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, I work with them. I'm on the of

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<v Speaker 4>the healthcare practitioners, but I do talk about it a

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<v Speaker 4>lot so that people will take care not just for

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. That there you go. I learned a new word today.

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<v Speaker 3>I have learned a new word.

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<v Speaker 2>Today along those beans. You talked about your mom. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there a situation either with a family that you've mediated

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<v Speaker 2>with or someone who was starting to show signs that

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<v Speaker 2>you were able to kind of come in and can

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<v Speaker 2>you give an example, because I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>In your industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that when you are that child or that niece

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<v Speaker 2>or that caregiver or whatever. I think you get succumbed

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit with this is only happening to you.

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<v Speaker 2>but it is an isolated experience, right, You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>story a success story? Hey, this kind of made a

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, And it's actually when it's almost a combination of caregiving, consulting,

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<v Speaker 4>and elder mediation. And it's a good example that you

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<v Speaker 4>Do you need to build a support team, need to

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<v Speaker 4>see God help, And too many people try to do

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<v Speaker 4>it and that's just a recipe for burnout, getting sick

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<v Speaker 4>or worse. Because many caregivers predecease the person they're caring for,

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<v Speaker 4>which is yes, especially once you get over seventy years

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<v Speaker 4>they're not taking care of their own health. They're stressed out,

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<v Speaker 4>they're exhausted, they're isolated, which is really sad. But it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's preventable because if they do get go to a

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<v Speaker 4>support group, they do, go yoga and meditation, go to

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<v Speaker 4>their own doctor, have somebody watch their loved one, or

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<v Speaker 4>watch them. Then you can at least take care of

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<v Speaker 4>your own health. Hey, what about just getting your haircut? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Exactly how to do those things?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the dentist right. So what I'd had was a

425
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<v Speaker 4>case where woman is from originally from here in Portland, Oreon,

426
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<v Speaker 4>but she's been living in the UK, in London for

427
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<v Speaker 4>thirty years. Her mom and her stepfather were living in

428
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<v Speaker 4>a one of these big buy in beautiful building care communities.

429
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<v Speaker 4>They had all levels but it was mostly independent living.

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<v Speaker 4>And fortunately the daughter got my name from the Alzheimer's Association.

431
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<v Speaker 4>Of course it's called Alzheimer's Society elsewhere. And the big

432
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<v Speaker 4>problem was that the mom was being neglected, not only

433
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<v Speaker 4>by the care community. They stuck her into memory care,

434
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<v Speaker 4>which she had no business being it at that point,

435
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<v Speaker 4>she was being neglected by the step family, by even

436
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<v Speaker 4>her own doctor. A simple thing like she needed be

437
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<v Speaker 4>twelve shots. He didn't believe in it. Oh, Wow. Yeah,

438
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<v Speaker 4>So she was manifesting like she had some cognitive issues,

439
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<v Speaker 4>I mean more severe than she should be at that time.

440
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<v Speaker 4>So she gets a hold of me. We put together

441
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<v Speaker 4>a care conference and a mediation of sorts with the

442
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<v Speaker 4>care community, Adult Protective Services, which was called by the

443
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<v Speaker 4>care community. They're the ones that were neglectful, crazy elder

444
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<v Speaker 4>law attorney, home care, a house called geriatrician. I think

445
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<v Speaker 4>I'm missing one other element as well as the family,

446
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<v Speaker 4>and get everybody together, keep them talking, and come to

447
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<v Speaker 4>an agreement that got the mom back on track. She

448
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<v Speaker 4>got her be twelve shots from the house called physician.

449
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<v Speaker 4>Mom gets back out of there, back up to independent

450
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<v Speaker 4>living with her husband. Things progressed over time. I've been

451
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<v Speaker 4>actually working with his daughter for close to two years now.

452
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<v Speaker 4>Actually there have been falls, there have been hip fractures,

453
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<v Speaker 4>there has been progression of the mom's dementia are but

454
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<v Speaker 4>I've continued to support her. But we got that team

455
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<v Speaker 4>together to take care of the mom so that she's

456
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<v Speaker 4>God knows where she would have been if she had

457
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<v Speaker 4>been stuck in that memory care, that care community, And

458
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<v Speaker 4>imagine the stress for the daughter in UK making all

459
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<v Speaker 4>these trips, but having a team to keep her eyes

460
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<v Speaker 4>and ears on her mom so she didn't have to

461
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<v Speaker 4>make even more trips and more phone calls and zoom calls.

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<v Speaker 2>So great, that's a wonderful story that you're sharing, because well,

463
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<v Speaker 2>first of all, it's not a story, it's real, a

464
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<v Speaker 2>life story, because I think it does take a team.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they always say, you know when you have

466
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<v Speaker 2>a new baby, you know it's a village. You know,

467
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<v Speaker 2>a village raises children.

468
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<v Speaker 3>But also I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think on when you start to become at a place

470
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<v Speaker 2>where you're not as capable, right, so children not as capable,

471
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<v Speaker 2>and if you get to that place where you're not

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<v Speaker 2>as capable for whatever reason, you know, for whatever reason,

473
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<v Speaker 2>how wonderful it is to have a team or someone

474
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<v Speaker 2>who's facilitating a team to see things that you don't see.

475
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's kind of how it works, right,

476
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<v Speaker 2>And with this world being so global and parents and

477
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<v Speaker 2>children living and relatives living in different or you know,

478
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<v Speaker 2>people that didn't have children and they're relying on other

479
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<v Speaker 2>family members, just how vast the world is, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>not living on the same street anymore, we're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>in the same community, and we don't all go to

482
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<v Speaker 2>the same school, right, so that we can see the

483
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<v Speaker 2>importance of that.

484
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<v Speaker 4>And long distance caregiving isn't necessarily easier harder than in

485
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<v Speaker 4>the same town. It's just a different emphasis. And I

486
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<v Speaker 4>did both making those cross country trips and travel and

487
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<v Speaker 4>long and taking care of our affairs from the distance

488
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<v Speaker 4>that I did it here in person. Yeah, right, in

489
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<v Speaker 4>the same community. And no matter what, it's still hard,

490
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<v Speaker 4>it's stressful. Had a lot of my plate and basically

491
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<v Speaker 4>you have to go into triage mode. Are going to

492
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<v Speaker 4>take care of this that's the most important. Then this

493
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<v Speaker 4>everything else will have to wait, like er or the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, Well, look, I love listening

495
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<v Speaker 2>to you because not only do I think it's important

496
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<v Speaker 2>to put real things on the real table, right and

497
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<v Speaker 2>just talk about things that are happening, but also very

498
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<v Speaker 2>solution based and to give people an inspiration and idea

499
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<v Speaker 2>and also how people start having those conversations and having

500
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<v Speaker 2>those conversations with themselves.

501
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think that I mean as morbid as my.

502
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<v Speaker 2>Son was experiencing it, like, so, you know, I do

503
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<v Speaker 2>my will every couple of years because life changes, and

504
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm at the stage where my daughter had

505
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<v Speaker 2>a baby and she had another baby, and you know,

506
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<v Speaker 2>now my son has a business and there's these things

507
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<v Speaker 2>that change your life financially, and you're having that conversation.

508
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<v Speaker 2>And I was sitting with my kids, and you know that,

509
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, who's going to take these things and who's.

510
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<v Speaker 4>Going to do this?

511
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<v Speaker 2>And my son looks at my daughter, whose there's ten

512
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<v Speaker 2>half years apart, and he's like, this is a little strange.

513
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<v Speaker 2>She goes, Oh, just get used to it. You know,

514
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<v Speaker 2>this is what she does, right, because I live in it.

515
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I live in a world of having friends

516
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<v Speaker 2>and colleagues like you where you know, you like, hey,

517
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<v Speaker 2>this is this is something that you need to make

518
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<v Speaker 2>sure that you take care of and having that conversation.

519
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<v Speaker 2>And I remember sitting there having a conversation and I

520
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<v Speaker 2>might sound more of it, but.

521
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<v Speaker 3>You got to talk about these things. And I said, Okay,

522
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<v Speaker 3>here's the deal.

523
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<v Speaker 2>If I'm in this, if I'm in this condition, and

524
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<v Speaker 2>we and you know, the decision needs to be made.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I've designated this person. And my daughter's like,

526
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<v Speaker 3>why isn't it going to be me?

527
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<v Speaker 2>And I said, because you want it to be someone

528
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<v Speaker 2>that emotionally could handle. If the if the cure for

529
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<v Speaker 2>the disease I had shows up forties after this decision,

530
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<v Speaker 2>you know, those really in depth conversations she's like, no,

531
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it, you know, like, okay, yeah,

532
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<v Speaker 2>I doubt you will. But having those conversations, and it's

533
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<v Speaker 2>interesting because generationally, I mean, it's not like I might

534
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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation with my children, but it sure was

535
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<v Speaker 2>not a conversation that my mother was having with us

536
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<v Speaker 2>at the age of my daughter's thirty and my son's twenty. Like,

537
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<v Speaker 2>oh hey, so if I do, it's I'm not saying

538
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<v Speaker 2>it's new information. It certainly should be talked about as

539
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<v Speaker 2>much as possible. But I still think there's a bit of.

540
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<v Speaker 3>We don't talk about these things because I think I'm

541
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<v Speaker 3>the exception to the rule, and that if my friends

542
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<v Speaker 3>are like really.

543
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<v Speaker 4>Especially some generations, some cultures exactly right. Some are more

544
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<v Speaker 4>open about it. Some you know, we don't talk about it.

545
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<v Speaker 4>We don't air our laundry in public, and blah blah

546
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<v Speaker 4>and so forth.

547
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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, do you have any advice as we wrap

548
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<v Speaker 2>up for someone who is conscious, who you know, conscious

549
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<v Speaker 2>of this world and possibility and they're up against a

550
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>parent that doesn't want to talk about it, that doesn't

551
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<v Speaker 2>want to have a conversation, that may not say I

552
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<v Speaker 2>have a will. I don't know, Like, do you have

553
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<v Speaker 2>any advice for someone who's up against the unknowingness?

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<v Speaker 4>I think we alluded to at the beginning that you're

555
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<v Speaker 4>not going to come in and just take over. That's

556
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<v Speaker 4>not gonna work. There's gonna be resistance. I like to

557
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<v Speaker 4>use the example that, well, hopefully he won't hear this.

558
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<v Speaker 4>My brother was a musician and the only thing that

559
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<v Speaker 4>he played better than the piano was mom. Right, okay now,

560
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<v Speaker 4>And it's better that he didn't become power of attorney

561
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 4>in my case, I learned to play mom a little

562
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<v Speaker 4>bit but her best interest. For instance, when this is

563
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<v Speaker 4>before the hurricane, she used to do her finances, She

564
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<v Speaker 4>used to do her taxes, and the taxes were sitting

565
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 4>there on the table, they weren't moving. Mom, how much

566
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<v Speaker 4>you like it if I come down there and help

567
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 4>you with the taxes? She says, Oh, that's a great idea.

568
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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad I thought about it. It was how I

569
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<v Speaker 4>framed it, right, or think she thought about? Or who's

570
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<v Speaker 4>going to or reject help? Right?

571
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Mom, there's something I'd like to work on with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you help me with this, not say we're going

574
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<v Speaker 4>to do this, And it might be here's the paperwork,

575
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<v Speaker 4>this will help you. I want to know your decisions.

576
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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to have to try to read your mind.

577
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<v Speaker 4>And that might be the power of attorney. It might

578
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<v Speaker 4>be the living will, advanced directive, making your wishes know.

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<v Speaker 4>If my mom had not made her wishes known to me,

580
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<v Speaker 4>my job would have been a lot harder, such as

581
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<v Speaker 4>taking extraordinary measures to you know, artificial eating and tubes

582
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<v Speaker 4>and antibiotics. There was a famous case in Florida, and

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Mom, do you want to end up like

584
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<v Speaker 4>Terry Shivo woman end up on it for years, a

585
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<v Speaker 4>persistent vegetative state, and everybody's fighting over. Mom responded very

586
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 4>clearly absolutely not. That was a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>We have those conversations and talk about it among yourselves

589
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 4>and with your your aging family members. And it might

590
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<v Speaker 4>take somebody who has the best relationship, somebody they listen to.

591
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<v Speaker 4>It might take again, a neutral third party. Yeah, you know,

592
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<v Speaker 4>missus Smith, this is something you should be taken care of.

593
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<v Speaker 4>It your your family will really appreciate. It's a gift

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<v Speaker 4>to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely look as as as.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a real pleasure. And I know that in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes are all of your information. But just in

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<v Speaker 2>case someone is driving right now in a direct woo,

599
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<v Speaker 2>I almost said to Sneeze.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to do and we don't edit, so you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hear that people. That's our thing. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>add it.

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<v Speaker 4>We are real.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone may be able to raise something down and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to not wait for the show to come

606
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<v Speaker 2>out and what have you. Can you please tell people

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<v Speaker 2>your website or whatever point of interest that you can

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<v Speaker 2>have them contact you now, and then I have one

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<v Speaker 2>special question for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So first my website and this hopefully this is

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<v Speaker 4>simple enough. Cohencaregiving Support dot com. That's co h and

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<v Speaker 4>Caregiving Support dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, perfect, Okay, So we are you are on

614
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<v Speaker 2>your way to a desert island and you have one suitcase.

615
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<v Speaker 2>I know you're coming to Canada soon. It's not a

616
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<v Speaker 2>desert island.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on your way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're on your way to Paradise. You and you,

619
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<v Speaker 2>just you and you and you have this suitcase. And

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<v Speaker 2>in the suitcase you've got room for one album. What

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<v Speaker 2>album are you taking that you could not imagine not

622
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.599
<v Speaker 2>listening to for the rest of your days.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna date myself.

624
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>We should all date ourselves.

625
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<v Speaker 4>Right, I'm an old Rolling Stones fan Hill Silver Hair

626
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<v Speaker 4>to prove it. And going back to the late sixties

627
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<v Speaker 4>after they went through their psychedelic period, Beggar's Banquet, which

628
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<v Speaker 4>had like Sympathy for the Devil and jump Jack Flash,

629
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<v Speaker 4>those kind of songs. It was great. It was the

630
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<v Speaker 4>Stones were back the way we knew them and we've

631
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<v Speaker 4>been hearing those songs ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>To probably be right after that or yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course they just finished Storing. So thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for being on the show today, audience. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>being you, listening, sharing, always asking if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be here, if you have a mission, or you have

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<v Speaker 2>a passion, or there's something that's going on with you,

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<v Speaker 2>or you've written a book or anything like that that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to share that falls in the category of

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<v Speaker 2>accepting the mission, because it's one thing to accept it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you heard Bill accept the mission and taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of his mom and now who now look at how

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<v Speaker 2>far extent that the mission has happened. So if you've

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<v Speaker 2>fit in that category and you want to come spend

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<v Speaker 2>some time chatting with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to hear from you, super easy. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do with this point. It's dev at dev

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<v Speaker 3>gruman dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just go to devruman dot com little contact page,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>To reach out to you. You reach out to me

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So until we meet, be well and see grouping and

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<v Speaker 2>we will see you all next week