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Speaker 3: Yes, on on Drivetime Movie Night of course, the show
that I do with our good friend and OGC brother
Mike of Paul every Wednesday, which I'll just chill right
now at eight pm Central Time, we watch a movie
and chat about it in a completely non serious way.
I feel like I'm a spiritually non serious person forced
to grapple with serious subjects due to the times that
we live in.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because it does have like a myss
you know, inspired by Mystery Science Theater or anything. Anybody,
anybody at a certain age was a fan of Mystery
of Science Theater before it actually started getting woke.
Speaker 2: But the I mean the movie you chose.
Speaker 1: Society, Yeah, I mean it was like, Uh, when I'm
on next month, I want to choose a movie and
I want it to be even more ridiculous than that one.
Speaker 3: Do you do you know of a movie that's more
ridiculous that you haven't seen?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not sure I'm gonna ask around
because I like Body Horror because you know, like one
of my one of my favorite movies is Uh, it
is Uh America were Wolf in London, which I could
could definitely be called the Body Horror and I love Wolfing.
But the that was just that was a fun time
when I can make comments where the two other people
in this stream just absolutely.
Speaker 2: Like are like, you can't we go?
Speaker 3: Are we gonna?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna get that? Now?
Speaker 3: This stream is not gonna get taken down x dot
com formerly Twitter and rumble. We I mean, look, if
you can stream an entire movie unredacted, then you know
it's We're fine, We're fine, We're fine, It's fine.
Speaker 1: Well, we are not here to talk about movies. At
the OGC conference this year, you had a you had
a speech from the topic of your speech was one
that I'm Yeah, since I got out of cities, I've
told people, especially people with families, maybe it's not a
good idea are people to be in cities, you know,
And I understand what I'm saying when I say that
people may have very very long ties to an area,
And so I had to make a culp on that
and be like it's up to you. But living in
a city now is not the easiest thing to do
unless you're very, very wealthy and you can mitigate the
mitigator city is well.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are many people who have made the
observation that one of the greatest things that money can
do for you is insulate you from the problems. You know,
it is a it is an all purpose problem solver
in many cases. So undifferentiated optionality is what some people
have said. But yeah, it's it's you're not wrong. I mean,
you know, you know, young young zoomers listening can certainly
find a seventy thousand dollars house, but you're not going
to like your neighbors and it's going to be you're
going to be close to them. So that's true, except
you know, of course, there I feel like there is
an opportunity for a sort of a based urbanism.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's not like cities always shitty. They're decaying because they
had a place to decay from, right, And when when
people are are fleeing the cities, and I would hesitate
to say something like a white flight, right, That's that's
not our not our analysis of the situation. It's more
like a localized demographic replacement is you know, it's a
symptom of real, real underlying problems. And you know, we
can also look at at structural we can also look
at structural problems. But I agree, I agree with the sentiment,
like it is tempting to, you know, just say, you
know what, fuck this, I don't need to deal with this.
I'm going to go I'm going to go live elsewhere.
There's lots of nice land in this country, and I
could live on it, and that's that's, that's great. I
have an option, I have a car, It's it'll be fine. Right,
But you are giving something up, right, You're giving something
up when you do that, and you're you are removing
yourself from the you know, both the literal and the
spiritual center of power. You're providing physical, physical difference or
physical distance between yourself and power centers. Not a great way,
not a great way to control future the future direction
of the country. And you're also giving up, you know,
essentially what is what was made for you as the
posterity of.
Speaker 2: The people who built this country.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, if you are living in a stick
built house built in the nineteen eighties, in a commuter suburb. Well,
you know, okay, all right, it's a forty year old house,
and you know, I'm sure it's perfectly lovely, but it
doesn't have the same kind of it doesn't have the
same kind of gravitas as looking at looking at monuments
that were erected one hundred years ago to the glories
of our nation. Right, It's just not the same. And
so I think that we need to we need we
as as I don't know, members of this thing of
ours need to we need to think of ways to
return to return to cities, clean them up and make
them places where we can, you know, where we can
live and raise families.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the one of the interesting
things about this conversation is is that this conversation is
as old as the actual country, you know, seventeen seventy six,
where someone like Jefferson was very suspicious of anybody who
would want to be in cities, and you know, someone
more like Hamilton it would probably consider the cities to
be the center of the heart of a country, mostly
because you know, he was very much into banking, very
much into finance, and uh, yeah, I just I mean,
this one just seems to go back to uh, go
right back to the founding.
Speaker 3: I would, I mean, I would say, you know, I would.
Maybe I'm maybe I'm only disagreeing on metaphorical grounds, but
I think the frame matters. I don't think that, you know,
cities are I don't think cities are the heart of
a country. I think the heart of a country is
the you know, for lack of a better word, the
hinter lands, right, the places that are the places that
are truly their their own spots, small towns, you know,
the geography itself of the country. Like that's the heart.
That's sort of the the animating spirit to me. But
I do think think that the cities are the you know,
the head in the hands, right, They're they're the thing.
They're the places where a lot of things get done,
and they are the places where a lot of people
who make decisions, uh make decisions live, you know, for
better or worse, it's it is just simply the case.
So you know, if we if we want to control things,
we we have to be there, right. You have to actually,
you have to play the game if you want to win.
So as as as distasteful as some of us may
find it, you know, like and living in a city right,
as you mentioned earlier, is not easy. I mean there is, uh,
there are OPSEEC hazards, of course, constantly. You have to
be a little subversive, and like our side needs some subversives, right,
we want to build things that are orderly and long lasting.
But getting there with as a bunch of lions is
unfortunately has not proven successful. We need we need a
good supply of foxes. So I hope I'm one. I
hope I'm not, you know, I hope I'm not a
pig just being fed fed to everything else. Who knows,
they may get me yet. But yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, we need we need.
Speaker 3: These multiple strategies. We need to be We need to
be in places where we can where we can take stuff,
where we could take stuff from the other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you hear a lot of people talk about,
you know that the tenth Amendment. If we just had
the tenth Amendment again, everything would be great. And but
what you have is, I mean, I happen to live
in a state that really only where there's only one
city that I worry about, like becoming bright blue and shitty. Yeah,
I mean, and that's Huntsville. I worry for Huntsville, Alabama,
because it's it's headed that way already is.
Speaker 3: An incredibly important city technologically.
Speaker 2: Very much so, very much so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the you know Birmingham Montgomery there, I mean,
Montgomery is you know, the capital that's you know, it's
a place you drive through very fast even if you
have to go there. Birmingham is not much better, but
you know, the outskirts of Birmingham, so Hoover's places like
that are great, you know, wonderful places. But the one
problem you do have is when it comes to states,
is is you may have this bright red state, but
smack dab in the middle of that state, you have
this glowing blue city there that power is centered in,
and well they can they control. You're really you're really
setting that You're really setting that ball on the tee
for me and just you know, giving me a giving
me a quick little show massage and telling me to
just really knock it out of the park, right, Pete,
I appreciate it. So with regards to the Tenth Amendment,
the tenth Amendment, the much the much denuded end of
the Bill of Rights, of course, gives to states all powers,
uh not specifically apportioned to the federal government. One of
those things that has not been destroyed by think by
you know, subsequent rulings on the Commerce Clause. Basically is
is the rights of states.
Speaker 3: To govern their cities. Actually it was, it was established.
There's sort of there's sort of the Dylan rule, which
is a legal it's a legal principle named after John
Forrest Dillon. It basically says that local governments are creatures
of the state in which they are located.
Speaker 2: Right, so, you.
Speaker 3: Know, hunts Huntsville, Montgomery, Birmingham all are based the portions
of the state government of Alabama, and whatever constitutes them
is constituted by the state itself. That is, without respect
to the residents and without respect to the federal government.
So essentially there is no one who can be appealed
to if the state chooses to do something. One of
the things that is absolutely allowed is for states to
determine how their cities are governed, and that is that
is very broad. There's another important there's an important Supreme
Court case called Hunter versus Pittsburgh, where the Pennsylvania legislature
allowed consolidation of cities and a mister Hunter did not
want to be absorbed into the city of Pittsburgh, as
it so happens. That went all the way to the
Supreme Court. It wasn't clear who had the who had
rights there, and the Moody Court ruled essentially that municipalities
are subdivisions of the state and are merely conveniences of
state power, and so they can modify or withdraw powers
without compensation and vested in other agencies as they see fit.
And many times throughout the country this, this has this
has been done. There are there are instances where, for example,
the city of Detroit went completely bankrupt and was put
into receivership by the state of Michigan, and you know,
eventually they gave it back to the people. They reverted
to home rule, so to speak, and allowed people to
elect their own mayor and dogcatcher and and what have you.
But that's not how it happened to be. There's nothing
that says it has to be that way. And so
a deep red state, you know, a trifector red state
where you have a two houses of the legislature and
a governor who are all majority or super majority read right,
they don't actually have to tolerate the existence of a
Blue Power Center. They could just say no, you know,
you could just say, actually, we're going to take over
your police department and we're going to dissolve your municipality
and run it as an agency directly unelected, appointed by
the legislature or appointed directly by the governor of the state.
And that means that then we pick who works where,
and maybe they don't even work in that city, right,
maybe the city doesn't have is only basically an economic
zone and doesn't have the types of of leverage over
the state any longer. For example, you know, if a
city sues, say a city that wants to be a
sanctuary city in a red state sues the state, the
state could simply delete the city. They could just say, actually,
you don't have standing because you don't exist. It's completely
it's completely within the law and is in fact suggested
by the existence of Supreme Court case law. So and
you know, people would say, wow, that seems really draconian,
that seems really that seems like it might be going
a bit far. But the hour is late, and it
is the types of you know, poor governance that we've
seen in a lot of our cities. It's not something
that's actually insurmountable. It's just it's just something that's been
allowed and chosen for the existing power structures who are
benefiting from the lawlessness effectively.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I guess that all goes to will, right.
I mean, here's a question how many governors well will
and will end creativeness right? But how many governors do
you think actually or their their staff immedia staff know
that know that they can actually do that.
Speaker 3: Well, I know of one who has been informed of it,
but I couldn't. I could hardly tell you who who
else might know. It's something that all of them should know.
This is something honestly that should be should be being
suggested by larger think tanks. But you know, the problem
is that, you know, many of us have abandoned the
concept of conservatism for you know, a broader and more
vague label of being right wing.
Speaker 2: I think this is.
Speaker 3: Something actually that this is a distinction even that I
guess my my my good friend at yours, Christopher Sandbatch,
made on a pony express uh.
Speaker 2: Recently, maybe maybe even last night, actually.
Speaker 3: That that he does not consider himself conservative. He doesn't
have conservative priors, right, He is more a man of
the right wing and that that means that more stuff
is on the table. We can actually take tools out
of the toolbox, rather than say, don't we have a
magnificent toolbox. Oh, it's getting stolen by Jamal, I guess
I'll do nothing about that.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't want to lose, right, we don't want to lose,
and we'll be and we are not bound by a
tradition of loss that allows us to just say, well,
I guess our principles are wonderful. As the world decays
around us, so unfortunate. I don't know that we have
any non conservative red governors. Maybe you can suggest one
who is more forward thinking. But yeah, no one's done
this so far. There are lots of reasons to do it,
even you know, just from a pure party politic stance.
You know, for example, just patronage the if you go
to any city hall, right, you're going to see a
bunch of fat black women behind the desk, and one
out of twenty of them is working, right, And so
you're just providing make work jobs using using funds from
you know, sometimes quite heavy local tax burdens to pay
people to not do anything. Because those are those are
people who's who are the cousins and the nieces and
the nephews and the aunties, and the goals of people
who have been elected to local government, and they and
they and they find they find positions for them. And
then those people work on campaigns and use the money
that they have been given via the state offers for
not working to help run campaigns. And that's just assuming
that they're doing everything legally right, which we should all
know is not the case. So cutting off cutting off
those patronage networks alone, just in a pure party political sense,
is worth enough. Even if you're going to just say,
all right, well, you know we'll replace well, we'll replace
all of these people with our people who are equally worthless,
and the cities will suck, but at least.
Speaker 2: Will be getting the money.
Speaker 3: Right now, I don't that's not a not a laudable goal,
but as a minimum viable product, like, that's a good
enough reason to seize those sees, those organs power.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: And you know, as you've already alluded to, Yeah, that
would be a revolutionary act. It would be considered to
be a revolutionary act. The things that you're the things
that you're mentioning.
Speaker 3: It would absolutely dominate a media cycle. I mean you
think that people people got up in arms over I
mean jerrymandering, which is the lamest part right, the lamest
part of state politics is drawing is jerrymandering, and people
lost their fucking minds. They would they it would be wild,
the response would be wild, but the act is absolutely legal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what I was going to say is is
that you know, as much as you think that you're
going to be attacked by the regime and by, for
lack of a better term, the left, really what you're
going to be attacked by. And you know it's something
that Stormy Waters always says, the enemy of every right
revolutionary movement is the conservative.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's a It is a major hurdle. I
don't honestly even know if.
Speaker 2: You know. One of the issues is that.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of the red a lot
of the red governors are you know, basically farm lobby guys, right,
they don't actually even have interest in the cities. They
kind of try to prefer they kind of prefer to
pretend they don't exist in action, if not in fact,
if you if you pay attention to, you know, ones
who say aren't named DeSantis, right, Desanta's is maybe the
only red state governor who ever, like whoever took any
interest in what goes on in the cities in his
state in a in a in a considerable a way,
in my opinion, and that was mostly because of the
mostly because of the coronavirus response.
Speaker 1: So, or you have a state like mine where you
have a great grandmother who's the the governor is a
great grandmother. They call him, you know, mem.
Speaker 3: Mem mema is not going to stand. It is not
going to it's not going to seize power like this.
What you know we need we need I don't know,
we need right wing Pelosi to If it's going to
be a woman, it's going to be a generational woman.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But also you have to believe that what would cause
a governor to act in this manner would be an emergency.
So there's the problem is that there's no real emergency.
Well sure, well, yeah, the frog is.
Speaker 3: Boiling, right, when when does it become an emergency? But
the problem is that, yeah, okay, so you know previous
example Detroit, you know they they gave it back. Why
did they give it back? They didn't need to give
it back. You could have kept it bankrupt forever, right,
you could have kept it under emergency powers forever. I mean,
I mean this is not a municipal governance, This is
not an example from municipal governance. But emergency things can
just kind of last. There's there's typically no expiration on
this sort of thing. So, you know, the federal government
has had control of Fannie May and Freddie Maxon's two
thousand and eight under emergency powers, has never given them back,
and those those entities control, uh the entire secondary mortgage
market for homes in the United States. So which iff which?
Speaker 2: If?
Speaker 3: Which is a you know, land use related obviously, but
is uh it just it just goes to show you
that we don't really need to once we get it,
we don't need to give it back, no matter what
the ostensive reason is. Like that's another reason why conservatives lose,
because usually conservatives will actually do the operate according to
the spirit of the law rather than the letter of it.
You to win, you actually need to just genie logic
your way through things.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Well do you think that's how it
gets done? That where you see the first like real
Blue City get taken back is by emergency like, okay,
so this is Mundani character just kind of like it.
And I would say that, you know, like New York
would be the last, the final boss. I mean, sure,
that's not going to be the that's not gonna be
the first ones who uh you know, to get taken back.
But it almost seems like it would have to be
like a a failure, a complete failure, A and you
know you would think that I mean, well, I mean,
I want to say Chicago, but Thomas lives in Chicago,
and he's like, it's not as bad. There's there's really
one section that everyone avoids, but it's not really as
bad as everybody tries to make it out to be.
And I was just in Portland and I didn't see
anything in Portland that made me think, but you know.
Speaker 3: There are this time around this time last year, I
was in San Francisco and it is it was exactly
as bad as advertised in the tenderloin. I will say, uh,
you know, I I'm not going to dox myself at
this juncture, but I don't do that. Having been in
uh you know, have been in many Ross Belt cities.
The parts of them that are bad are much worse
than people have a much worse than people have a
conception of right when a say, like a going through
going through depleted neighborhoods in parts of Detroit that haven't
been built back up, and there are parts of Detroit
that aren't bad, like you know, you can, you can,
you can find good parts of virtually any city.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it's they're they're they're recaptured at great expense in
all cases. But you know, people who live in uh,
in a suburban area or a small town that has
not been depleted like that can't understand an entire you know,
an entire city block that has say, you know, eighty
addresses right where one tenth of them is occupied. Right,
It's it's it's insane to see what we've allowed to
happen in our cities, and even even in places like Chicago, Like, yeah,
I mean Thomas is right, you can go, you can
go places in Chicago, especially if we're talking about all
of Cook County or something like that, or the broader
metro area. Yeah, there are still there are still plenty
of nice places to be, but we also just allow
ghettos and slums to exist. And those places don't you know,
buildings don't fall down.
Speaker 2: On their own.
Speaker 3: They fall down because people neglect them and flee them
and can find no takers because of the people who
live around them being allowed to continue to be be
produce negative externalities on a daily basis. Let's say, in
the most diplomatic possible terms, Well, you know small I
live in a small town and small towns. Have you
tried that in a small town?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, and the.
Speaker 1: People will anyone who's living, you know, the people who
are elected to office in a small town, A lot
of them are legacy, a lot of them, you know,
are you know, And there's there's corruption, not corruption on
a mass scale, but there's going to be corruption. But
you know, when you when you.
Speaker 3: Multiply that to by the agricultural land where the off
ramp is going to go. Yeah, yes, that kind of thing, yes, thankfully,
thankfully I live in a county that uh doesn't have
a federal road, So yeah, that kind of thing doesn't
don't happen.
Speaker 2: But there's but the.
Speaker 1: When you multiply that to like where I used to live, Atlanta,
you're talking about levels of corruption, I mean, and and
basically all Atlanta is is a smaller version of Washington,
DC when it comes to corruption. So you know what
you're looking at is I could see a governor doing
as you described for a a smaller city, you know,
if something really really bad happened or something like that.
But you're kind of looking at like the Atlanta's of
the world, or the Montgomery's of the world, or the Orlando's.
Orlando is one of the most corrupt places on the
fucking planet.
Speaker 3: I honestly think, I honestly think that one of the Okay,
there are lots of cass as bellies that could potentially
be used in order to take a city back. The
one that is most boring but also like fairly plausible
is you know, starving cities, starving cities of federal and
state funds, which would have to be a coordinat an effort,
of course, and might take quite some time, causing them
to bankrupt themselves because they can't balance their budgets, and
then seizing them in receivership and not giving them back.
That's one way. Other ways, significant civil unrest would has
been used to take to take police departments from a
lot of a lot of blue cities and put them
directly in the hands of the state. Unfortunately, that doesn't
change the people in those police departments and doesn't change
typically doesn't change who gets to hire the chief of
police and things like that. So it's very very difficult
to rip them out, root and stem and replace them
with a bunch of judge dreads. But it's a step,
it's a step, and it shows, it shows that it's
that the Hunter versus Pittsburgh decision is alive and well.
Because local policing is a is an agency and an
operation of local government that can be alienated at will
from cities, right, and that's been done. That's been done
throughout the country in many different cities.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I was going somewhere with this, and and I've lost
my way, so prompt me again, Prompt me again, Pete.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was talking about just how the bigger how
the corruption of like d C when you scale itself.
Speaker 3: Yes, any any any scandal that can be uh you
know that can be judiciously may judiciously pumped up in
the media, right, assuming you have a compliant media group,
or it's salacious enough to really go wild in social
media in a way that the mainstream can't avoid it.
Some level of corruption getting blown up like that could
be sufficient cause, especially if we're talking about multiple city governments,
longtime mayor something where you have to say that this
problem is actually actually goes all the way down and
we need to rip it all out right. That that
is another sufficient sufficient cause that I think has has
real legs. And honestly, there there are so many Anyone
who is sufficiently engaged in the politics of a city
will sort of realize that there are these open secrets
right where you just don't talk about it because you know,
state Senator whatever is nailing the chief of staff for
the mayor, and you know this decision was made over cocaine, whatever, whatever, whatever,
Like all of these people go to parties together. I'm
not even kidding. It's so many decisions in this country
are made over cocaine and alcohol, at least, uh well,
at least in my town.
Speaker 2: So you.
Speaker 3: If you can pump up any of these things to
be to be salacious enough that there's a public outcry,
then that you have a chance to take to take
it as well. But I think far and away the
one that would be far and away the one that
would be able to be able to prompt since we
don't control the media would be would be the financial one,
and you could probably get the Conservatives to go along
with you because they love they love acting like everything
is a house's checkbook, so it's an easier sell for them.
Speaker 1: Well cap, I guess the uh the question is how.
Speaker 3: When is the when do we do it? Do it now?
Do it now? We could do it now, we could
of course.
Speaker 1: We could do it now, but we don't have our guy.
We don't have our guys in place. And that's the uh.
You know, the first time one of our one of
our guys becomes like a governor or a lieutenant governor,
governor our guy, hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean we should probably have mayor and
sheriff our guy first. I mean that that's very helpful.
Speaker 3: Mayor and mayor our guy is super hard. Mayor our
guy is incredibly difficult because every city has its own
political feeder system. People don't typically go mayor governor, right,
People do not do mayor governor. There's a whole state
level political system that happens in most states, and then
there and then that leads to the governorship, and then
there's a There are city political systems that lead to
mayor and that leads to that ends at mayor, and
then both mayors and governors can go can aspire to
national office, House or Senate if you're a big enough
name and you have enough friends, and you know, obviously
the top the top tier of any of these can
be mister president. But typically you don't. These are parallel tracks,
and I actually think that a lot of our guys
have a much better shot at being We could have,
like one election cycle, not even that hard to get
one of our guys in as a state level house rep.
Not not difficult every you know, I mean, even the
Libertarians managed to get state level house reps all the time,
so we could do it. Not an issue, and that
can lead you to I mean, that can lead you
to governor pretty pretty rapidly. That said, I think that,
and and we we should definitely any anyone who is listening,
who is aspiring to such a thing should absolutely go
for it. Right But those are not the only routes
to power. You know, many many of our guys. A
favorite member of the administration right now, Steven Miller, has
not been elected to public office, and has quite a
lot more power than than many people in the government
who have been elected. So you know there are ways
by just being an operator in administrations on campaigns. You know,
you work on a campaign, you get a job in
the offe of the person you worked with, That's how
it works. Or you get an appointment to a position
and congratulations, you're the head of a You're the head
of a state or city department. Right, and now you
control a budget, and now you can you know, within
the bounds of the law, pick and choose with little
nudges where that shit goes. Right, That's that's what the
left did, right, it it works. We could do that.
There's nothing stopping us from doing that other than a
knowledge of how the system works and a willingness to
actually reward our friends.
Speaker 1: Well, that is interesting in that we are seeing like
a change, we are seeing people. It's more clear to
even to politicians especially, and to people in politics that
that friend enemy distinction that James Lindsay is so afraid
of while he uses it and abuses it as much.
Do you mean do you mean the friend enemy distinction
from noted Nazi journalist Carl Schmidt. Yeah, jurist, journalist, jurist, jurist,
the chief the crown jurist of the Reich.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, he's he's got. All of his ideas
are poisoned, like the idea that you should start the
day with coffee and and a and a nice piece
of toast, the Nazi idea of starting the day with
coffee and a nice piece of toast, or the Nazi
idea that people who are your friends you should treat well,
and people who you who are your enemies you should
you should not treat as well. That's yes, yes, so strange. Huh,
it's crazy. But as you're seeing more, I mean, we're
things are just becoming so binary, are You're right? Our
guys don't even have to get elected to office. What
they have to be willing to do is they have
to be willing to be able to be advisors, be
able to The thing I saw was I don't know
if you remember this from I think it was twenty seventeen.
There's a guy on Twitter who was He had one
of the in the picture he posted himself of a
picture and had one of those pipes. I can't remember
the long stem pipe. I can't remember what the fuck
those things are called. But he had, like, you know, celebrating.
Of course, you don't mean a corn cob pipe.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this was this when I was long
a long stem and everything. Yeah, we're not talking about
that guy. This is from twenty seventeen, and he twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. He's like celebrating, you know, the way I
celebrate it when I turned my neighbor, when I call
ice on my neighbor. And like somebody pointed out, like
someone took a screenshot of that tweet from back then
and posted it recently and said, yeah, this guy this,
this guy works in the administration, in with the in
like the apartment home had security now based based Yeah,
you know, I mean, now, the problem is is that
you you know, we want to see remigration, and there's
a lot of talk now I you know, I don't
know about you, but I'm at the point where it's like,
go on Twitter and tell me what you did, not
what you want to do, not what you plan on doing.
Because there's been a lot of I'm going to go
on Twitter, you know, and tell you what we're what
we plan on doing, and then we don't see that
get done. How about you just go on Twitter after
you Hey, we've already done it. Yes, it happened twenty
minutes ago. Yeah, or no. It's like, well, you know,
for the for the past, for the past month, we
decided we were going to deport one million people, and
we deported one million people instead of going on Twitter
and on you know, we plan on doing this in
the next month, and then we don't see any results.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously obviously for the obviously for the administration.
Uh that that would be a wonderful thing. Uh. There
there is also some danger of our guys, you know,
adding to adding to dog piles on random libtards and
and and retweeting the base take right and not and
not think and like ending their day like wow, I
sure did a lot of engagement. Fuck what what did
that do?
Speaker 2: Right? Uh?
Speaker 3: You know, amplifying, boosting all that stuff. It's obviously good,
but it's also it is ultimately pretty low effort, and
so we need to be in we need to be
doing things that have effects beyond ourselves. So you know,
for some people that is uh, you know, uh, for
some people that is just as much as you know,
making making a judicious choice about who you do business with,
Like maybe that's the most you can handle.
Speaker 2: And that's that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: And for some people that is, you know, choosing to
work in a promising uh a promising candidates uh you know,
second campaign, right for for state level or maybe uh
maybe federal Uh maybe a federal position, right, and then
you work in their office and you are the one
who chooses what white papers they get to see. That's
supremely powerful and completely underrated. I mean, we just went
through four years of a bunch of uh a bunch
of staffers secretly puppeting a president or not so secretly,
I guess from from our perspective, but people were sure surprised.
And uh, that's that. That is an avenue that is
open to you. You have many options, uh, and you
need to pick one that's actually going to build you
in a position to be in a position to be
the guy with the pipe who went from ship posting
to actually actually calling out raids. So yeah, well let's
talk about that. Let's go back to cities for a second. Sure, well,
let's go back to cities. Let's go all of us
right now.
Speaker 1: If our guys, well, yeah, if our guys are in
a city right now, say they're in a city, and
talk about what would be a good thing to be
doing if you're single, or what would be a good
thing to do if you have a family. What do
you think would be Uh? Do you specifically mean to
improve the Uh? Do you specific mean to improve your
the life just around you?
Speaker 3: Or me?
Speaker 2: To take care of yourself? You got to take care
of yourself. Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 1: It has to start there. You can't improve everything around
you unless you you have to. Your home has to
be in order before you can even think about doing that. Sure, Okay,
So just here's base level something anyone can do. If
you're in a city and stuff kind of fucking sucks,
and you've got some neighbors who are on their porch
shouting at all hours of the night, and everything always
smells like fucking weed. Your city has some sort of
online portal where you can do where citizens can do
nuisance reports. You gotta be the nebbiest fucking neighbor in existence.
You got to be looking outside your blinds, You got
to be taking a photo, You got to got to
be making reports. Make a report every week, Put it
on your little put it on your calendar so it's
in your phone. It gives you an alert, and it says,
make a report about those pieces of shit down the block.
And you know what, every city keeps track of how
many reports get made, and every single city will eventually
actually respond to that. People who are not your natural
political allies will help get those things, get those things
done because squeaky wheels are tracked metrics, and all of
these bureaucracies run on these types of metrics. So do
that do that make that system work for you? Set
up a script like vibe code of script that puts.
Speaker 2: In a report every week if you need to.
Speaker 3: But like, that's one thing that you can do to
fight in a small way, fight in a small way
against a narcotyranny, right, and fight in a small way
against the negative externalities of certain people who shall remain nameless.
So in terms of actually seizing power things like that,
there are places for people with different political persuasions. Occasionally,
even in city governments. You if you're if.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 3: Well, beware of opseec. Obviously, always beware of OPSEC. But
you can express more conservative opinions of certain things as
long as whatever those things are is has some sort
of leftist connotation, things like historical preservation or pollution or noise, ordinances, beautification,
all of those things will be you know, parks departments typically,
parks departments and building divisions are typically the most right
wing organs of any city government because they fucking have
to be. Like those are those are major enforcement mechanisms.
Uh you know, building building divisions can just seize property
faster than any other portion. Board of Election commissioners jobs,
low level jobs in Board of Election Commissioners, you will
be right there when they roll in the door with
a dolly full of h full of harvested ballots from
the old folks home. You will be able to take
a photo of that. And hey, you know those jobs
come with many's. You just gotta, you just gotta, you
just got to play the game, as distasteful as it
might be. So those are all opportunities for uh, you know,
for virtually anyone because you know, I'll tell you the
the people who are currently doing those jobs are fucking retarded.
So any anyone listening to this is likely to be
at least ten to fifteen IQ points.
Speaker 2: Hire what do you like?
Speaker 1: If we do get to the point, and I mean,
it's probably will be long gone before this, before this
might even be a possibility that these do get taken back.
I mean, how do you keep them? You're I'm of
the opinion that, okay, most you know what I think.
Speaker 3: God, So this question was asked, and I won't mention
who asked it, but this question was asked during my
talk at the OGC, and the answer is, you don't.
You never get to stop fighting like you are here forever.
Your children will be fighting the same fight like we
are fighting against entropy, we're fighting against the night Right.
You don't get to stop fighting. There's no final victory
until Christ returns. It literally, there is no final victory
until Christ returns. And so that's that's how it is.
We will, we will have like localized times of great triumph,
but we will always be fighting. That's it. This is
a strategy for the situation that we're in. You know,
if if cities were really red and state governments were
really blue, Gavin Newsom would have nuked would have nuked
right wing Los Angeles yesterday using all the strategies I
just said, And he would be right to do so. Strategically, right,
we just need to have we need to have the will,
and we need to have the morale to realize that
like these are paths available to us. You know, these
cities are ours, they are our birthright. The they are
massive centers of funds, they're massive centers of power. All
of the lower rungs on those on the ladders up
to power right are currently occupied by star Wars names
in patronage positions. You need to get your foot on
one of those rungs by hook er, by crook, practice tikia,
like take an insight role like just you know, be
a don't wear the don't wear the maga hat to
the job interview, get on it and start working on it.
While people who are in positions of power also you know,
hopefully get their heads out of their asses and and
do one of the more robust strategies that we've outlined.
But we have to we have to make sure that
our feet are on those rungs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something that CJ. Angle Uh talks about all
the time. He's like, the problem even if you do
find a conservative like that has power, that's in a
position of in a position of authority within politics, even
if they're even if they're not completely bought off. The
one thing that conservatives don't understand that you know the
other side does is that politics doesn't sleep. It never stops.
You you haven't won, there is no there's literally no winning.
It's a constant. It's it's a forever war. Yeah, and
you're and as soon as you step back and say, ah,
I won, let's you know, really what We're just going
to lower taxes a little bit and you know, we'll see,
we'll see what that does. Yeah, you've lost, You've you've taken.
You went forward one step and you've just gone back
ten and they've just jumped forward twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's okay, Patriots win the super Bowl. They'll
have to play again next season. That's it. That's what
you're doing. It will it will never end for it
will never end for us until until we're dead or
we receive our final reward. So yeah, I just and
it's just too easy. I think when people do get elected,
when they do get some power, when they do get
that position, to just take all the benefits that come
from it and forget about forget about their people. It's
like the enemy, does you know we talk about this
all the time. It's like the enemy gets power and
they get their most radical friends like sinecures elected to office,
all the sorts of things. Some quote unquote right winger
gets elected to office, and like the guy who is
working on his campaig an who you know, mentions like yeah,
mentions somebody who's It doesn't even have to be Carl Schmidt.
It could be you know, it could be it could
be Oswaltzwengler. And it's like, oh, well, you know, I'm
gonna have to cancel this guy before he gets me canceled.
And they literally think that way. I think that is
one of the reasons they do that. Yeah, no, I
mean it's they have well, this is all like seeking
approval from the enemy, right, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, oh no, no, no, no, we're don't We're don't worry,
We're not rasist. Look, we elected a black retod like,
that's our candidate top that, Oh, yours is just a
white woman. Hah fuck we lost the election. Great, awesome,
good job victory at last. Can you imagine how bad
it would have been if some how Nikki Haley had
won the UH won the nomination.
Speaker 2: For the GOP.
Speaker 1: Are you just talking about the fact that the White
House would be indy, you know, be like people be
shitting in the corner.
Speaker 3: Or marginally marginally more Indian than it is at present.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, yes, I can't can't imagine what the
FBI office is like, what does somebody say?
Speaker 2: Someone said that.
Speaker 1: The good thing about cash Mittell taken over the FBI
is is that even if he didn't, you know, do
what he's promised to do, turn it into a museum
to the deep State, you know, everybody would be so
repulsed and turned off that no work would get done anyway.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Everyone's everyone's got got old fashioned wooden clothes pins on
their nose, walking around trying to trying not to step
on any of the plastic bags that are now littering
the hallways. Uh, you know, in the grounds. It's a
it's amazing what one can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's call it right there. You come,
you can come back on anytime and maybe maybe even
we'll people should know, like before this, all we were
doing was talking about movies. Before we started recording, we
were just talking about movies. You know, what's you know,
what's funny? Last Christmas? Right at Chris the very next.
Speaker 2: Day, you gave it away.
Speaker 1: Mike Ferris invited me on a show Coffee and Mike,
I always go on there and he lets me rant
about a certain you know, tribe of people. Sure you know?
And right, yeah, exactly. And so we did an episode
for Christmas where all we did was talk about movies.
Let's talk about some some of our favorite movie. Do
you know how many fucking sparks complained? Look at the way,
Look at the situation this country is in and you're
on you're you're talking about movies. How dare how dare you?
I'm so base. I'm so based. I don't listen to
I don't listen to music unless it's Wagner. And I
don't watch movies unless it's Triumph of the Will.
Speaker 3: That's right, Triumph of the Triumph.
Speaker 2: Of the Will.
Speaker 3: Uh in uh on my meta oculus while I listen
to to Wagner at three X speed, just uh yeah.
I have my I have my I have my nurse maid.
I have my I have my nurse maid, putting uh
putting droppers in my eyes like a clockwork orange so
that I can so that I don't need to blink
while I watch it.
Speaker 1: People people promote anything you want cut, okay, Well, you
can find me at the Capitalisimo on X formerly Twitter.
Speaker 2: Give me a follow, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You can also find me on the Tookies mag YouTube
channel where I do Library of Mass Destruction with our
friend Christopher Sandbatch. We do full read throughs, full read
throughs of media and media and history books of a
subaltern variety. And you can also find me on Drivetime
Movie Night on X and Rubble with Michael pol every
Wednesday and you'll be able to see mister Pekanonez there
next month.
Speaker 2: You guys read full books. I wonder someone else.
Speaker 3: Is there anyone else who does that? I'm pretty sure
I invented reading an entire book on stream.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I got that idea from, because
I've been doing it now for solo. I did the
first one in twenty twenty one, and I'm just trying
to figure out who where I got the idea to
do that from.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an audiobook with color commentary. Yeah, so
you know, it's it's good. It's good, it's it's it's
a it's it's a very very viby to produce. I
guess from now we're really talking shop. It's very it's
very fun to do that. You always know what you're
going to get into. I actually like to not read ahead, right.
The first book we did was Aberration in the Heartland
of the Real Wendy Paintings History of the Oklahoma City
Bombing Expansive History of the Oklahoma City Bombing, and we
that was like fuck, that was like ninety hours, and
uh it was. It was great because I hadn't read
it for ten years, and so I was I was
rediscovering things as we went along.
Speaker 1: So huh, yeah, yeah, I think that the first the
first thing I read, what in its entirety was Uncle
Ted's Manifesto.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, great, classic classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's just you know, everybody's everybody's having. And
then the next thing we read was a Sttan Revolution
by Lennon So yeah.
Speaker 3: I am enjoying two hundred years together. The paragraph by
paragraph analysis is is great, so is wild.
Speaker 1: Huh. I mean there's no way, there's no way in
hell I could do that without doctor Matthew r.
Speaker 2: Fl Oh for sure. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean having someone there who's like, oh, I know exactly,
I read a book about this guy. I'm trying to
pronounce his name, and Doctor J is like, oh yeah,
I read a book by those guys, so I read.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we go way back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right man, do you have a good night? And
thank you, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: S