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Speaker 1: The pekan Yonashow dot com. Everything's there. I want to

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welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yona's show. Hey you

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doing Capitalismo. I'm doing just great and I'm happy to

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be here. Thanks for having me. Long time, longtime listener,

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first time caller. You know we've actually been on a

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live stream together, That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yes, on on Drivetime Movie Night of course, the show

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that I do with our good friend and OGC brother

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Mike of Paul every Wednesday, which I'll just chill right

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now at eight pm Central Time, we watch a movie

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and chat about it in a completely non serious way.

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I feel like I'm a spiritually non serious person forced

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to grapple with serious subjects due to the times that

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because it does have like a myss

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you know, inspired by Mystery Science Theater or anything. Anybody,

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anybody at a certain age was a fan of Mystery

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of Science Theater before it actually started getting woke.

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Speaker 2: But the I mean the movie you chose.

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Speaker 1: Society, Yeah, I mean it was like, Uh, when I'm

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on next month, I want to choose a movie and

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I want it to be even more ridiculous than that one.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you know of a movie that's more

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ridiculous that you haven't seen?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not sure I'm gonna ask around

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because I like Body Horror because you know, like one

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of my one of my favorite movies is Uh, it

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could definitely be called the Body Horror and I love Wolfing.

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But the that was just that was a fun time

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when I can make comments where the two other people

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in this stream just absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Like are like, you can't we go?

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Speaker 3: Are we gonna?

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna get that? Now?

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Speaker 3: This stream is not gonna get taken down x dot

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com formerly Twitter and rumble. We I mean, look, if

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you can stream an entire movie unredacted, then you know

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it's We're fine, We're fine, We're fine, It's fine.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are not here to talk about movies. At

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the OGC conference this year, you had a you had

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a speech from the topic of your speech was one

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that I'm Yeah, since I got out of cities, I've

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told people, especially people with families, maybe it's not a

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good idea are people to be in cities, you know,

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people may have very very long ties to an area,

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and be like it's up to you. But living in

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a city now is not the easiest thing to do

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unless you're very, very wealthy and you can mitigate the

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mitigator city is well.

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observation that one of the greatest things that money can

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it is a it is an all purpose problem solver

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in many cases. So undifferentiated optionality is what some people

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have said. But yeah, it's it's you're not wrong. I mean,

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you know, you know, young young zoomers listening can certainly

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find a seventy thousand dollars house, but you're not going

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to like your neighbors and it's going to be you're

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Speaker 3: It's not like cities always shitty. They're decaying because they

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people are are fleeing the cities, and I would hesitate

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not our not our analysis of the situation. It's more

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like a localized demographic replacement is you know, it's a

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symptom of real, real underlying problems. And you know, we

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like it is tempting to, you know, just say, you

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could live on it, and that's that's, that's great. I

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have an option, I have a car, It's it'll be fine. Right,

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spiritual center of power. You're providing physical, physical difference or

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physical distance between yourself and power centers. Not a great way,

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not a great way to control future the future direction

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of the country. And you're also giving up, you know,

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essentially what is what was made for you as the

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Speaker 2: The people who built this country.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, if you are living in a stick

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built house built in the nineteen eighties, in a commuter suburb. Well,

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you know, okay, all right, it's a forty year old house,

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and you know, I'm sure it's perfectly lovely, but it

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doesn't have the same kind of it doesn't have the

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same kind of gravitas as looking at looking at monuments

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that were erected one hundred years ago to the glories

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of our nation. Right, It's just not the same. And

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so I think that we need to we need we

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as as I don't know, members of this thing of

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ours need to we need to think of ways to

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return to return to cities, clean them up and make

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them places where we can, you know, where we can

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live and raise families.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the one of the interesting

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things about this conversation is is that this conversation is

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as old as the actual country, you know, seventeen seventy six,

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where someone like Jefferson was very suspicious of anybody who

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would want to be in cities, and you know, someone

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more like Hamilton it would probably consider the cities to

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be the center of the heart of a country, mostly

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because you know, he was very much into banking, very

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much into finance, and uh, yeah, I just I mean,

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this one just seems to go back to uh, go

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right back to the founding.

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Speaker 3: I would, I mean, I would say, you know, I would.

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I think the frame matters. I don't think that, you know,

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cities are I don't think cities are the heart of

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a country. I think the heart of a country is

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the you know, for lack of a better word, the

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hinter lands, right, the places that are the places that

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are truly their their own spots, small towns, you know,

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the geography itself of the country. Like that's the heart.

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the head in the hands, right, They're they're the thing.

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and they are the places where a lot of people

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who make decisions, uh make decisions live, you know, for

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better or worse, it's it is just simply the case.

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we we have to be there, right. You have to actually,

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you have to play the game if you want to win.

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So as as as distasteful as some of us may

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find it, you know, like and living in a city right,

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as you mentioned earlier, is not easy. I mean there is, uh,

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there are OPSEEC hazards, of course, constantly. You have to

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be a little subversive, and like our side needs some subversives, right,

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we want to build things that are orderly and long lasting.

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But getting there with as a bunch of lions is

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unfortunately has not proven successful. We need we need a

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good supply of foxes. So I hope I'm one. I

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hope I'm not, you know, I hope I'm not a

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pig just being fed fed to everything else. Who knows,

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they may get me yet. But yeah, that's uh.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we need we need.

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Speaker 3: These multiple strategies. We need to be We need to

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be in places where we can where we can take stuff,

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where we could take stuff from the other side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you hear a lot of people talk about,

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you know that the tenth Amendment. If we just had

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the tenth Amendment again, everything would be great. And but

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what you have is, I mean, I happen to live

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in a state that really only where there's only one

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city that I worry about, like becoming bright blue and shitty. Yeah,

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I mean, and that's Huntsville. I worry for Huntsville, Alabama,

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Speaker 3: An incredibly important city technologically.

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Speaker 2: Very much so, very much so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the you know Birmingham Montgomery there, I mean,

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that are great, you know, wonderful places. But the one

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smack dab in the middle of that state, you have

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this glowing blue city there that power is centered in,

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and well they can they control. You're really you're really

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setting that You're really setting that ball on the tee

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for me and just you know, giving me a giving

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me a quick little show massage and telling me to

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just really knock it out of the park, right, Pete,

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the tenth Amendment, the much the much denuded end of

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the Bill of Rights, of course, gives to states all powers,

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uh not specifically apportioned to the federal government. One of

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those things that has not been destroyed by think by

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you know, subsequent rulings on the Commerce Clause. Basically is

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Speaker 3: To govern their cities. Actually it was, it was established.

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Forrest Dillon. It basically says that local governments are creatures

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Speaker 2: Right, so, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, hunts Huntsville, Montgomery, Birmingham all are based the portions

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of the state government of Alabama, and whatever constitutes them

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is constituted by the state itself. That is, without respect

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to the residents and without respect to the federal government.

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to if the state chooses to do something. One of

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Court case called Hunter versus Pittsburgh, where the Pennsylvania legislature

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allowed consolidation of cities and a mister Hunter did not

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want to be absorbed into the city of Pittsburgh, as

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Supreme Court. It wasn't clear who had the who had

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are subdivisions of the state and are merely conveniences of

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state power, and so they can modify or withdraw powers

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without compensation and vested in other agencies as they see fit.

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the city of Detroit went completely bankrupt and was put

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eventually they gave it back to the people. They reverted

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to home rule, so to speak, and allowed people to

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a deep red state, you know, a trifector red state

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where you have a two houses of the legislature and

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a governor who are all majority or super majority read right,

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they don't actually have to tolerate the existence of a

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Blue Power Center. They could just say no, you know,

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you could just say, actually, we're going to take over

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your police department and we're going to dissolve your municipality

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and run it as an agency directly unelected, appointed by

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the legislature or appointed directly by the governor of the state.

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And that means that then we pick who works where,

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and maybe they don't even work in that city, right,

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maybe the city doesn't have is only basically an economic

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zone and doesn't have the types of of leverage over

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the state any longer. For example, you know, if a

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city sues, say a city that wants to be a

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sanctuary city in a red state sues the state, the

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state could simply delete the city. They could just say, actually,

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you don't have standing because you don't exist. It's completely

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it's completely within the law and is in fact suggested

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by the existence of Supreme Court case law. So and

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you know, people would say, wow, that seems really draconian,

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that seems really that seems like it might be going

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a bit far. But the hour is late, and it

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is the types of you know, poor governance that we've

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seen in a lot of our cities. It's not something

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that's actually insurmountable. It's just it's just something that's been

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allowed and chosen for the existing power structures who are

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benefiting from the lawlessness effectively.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I guess that all goes to will, right.

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I mean, here's a question how many governors well will

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and will end creativeness right? But how many governors do

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you think actually or their their staff immedia staff know

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that know that they can actually do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know of one who has been informed of it,

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but I couldn't. I could hardly tell you who who

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else might know. It's something that all of them should know.

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This is something honestly that should be should be being

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suggested by larger think tanks. But you know, the problem

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is that, you know, many of us have abandoned the

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concept of conservatism for you know, a broader and more

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vague label of being right wing.

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Speaker 2: I think this is.

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Speaker 3: Something actually that this is a distinction even that I

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guess my my my good friend at yours, Christopher Sandbatch,

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made on a pony express uh.

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Speaker 2: Recently, maybe maybe even last night, actually.

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Speaker 3: That that he does not consider himself conservative. He doesn't

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have conservative priors, right, He is more a man of

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the right wing and that that means that more stuff

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is on the table. We can actually take tools out

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of the toolbox, rather than say, don't we have a

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magnificent toolbox. Oh, it's getting stolen by Jamal, I guess

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I'll do nothing about that.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to lose, right, we don't want to lose,

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and we'll be and we are not bound by a

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tradition of loss that allows us to just say, well,

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I guess our principles are wonderful. As the world decays

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around us, so unfortunate. I don't know that we have

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any non conservative red governors. Maybe you can suggest one

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who is more forward thinking. But yeah, no one's done

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this so far. There are lots of reasons to do it,

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even you know, just from a pure party politic stance.

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You know, for example, just patronage the if you go

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to any city hall, right, you're going to see a

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bunch of fat black women behind the desk, and one

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out of twenty of them is working, right, And so

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you're just providing make work jobs using using funds from

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you know, sometimes quite heavy local tax burdens to pay

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people to not do anything. Because those are those are

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people who's who are the cousins and the nieces and

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the nephews and the aunties, and the goals of people

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who have been elected to local government, and they and

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they and they find they find positions for them. And

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then those people work on campaigns and use the money

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that they have been given via the state offers for

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not working to help run campaigns. And that's just assuming

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that they're doing everything legally right, which we should all

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know is not the case. So cutting off cutting off

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those patronage networks alone, just in a pure party political sense,

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is worth enough. Even if you're going to just say,

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all right, well, you know we'll replace well, we'll replace

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all of these people with our people who are equally worthless,

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and the cities will suck, but at least.

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Speaker 2: Will be getting the money.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I don't that's not a not a laudable goal,

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but as a minimum viable product, like, that's a good

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enough reason to seize those sees, those organs power.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as you've already alluded to, Yeah, that

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would be a revolutionary act. It would be considered to

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be a revolutionary act. The things that you're the things

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that you're mentioning.

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Speaker 3: It would absolutely dominate a media cycle. I mean you

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think that people people got up in arms over I

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mean jerrymandering, which is the lamest part right, the lamest

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part of state politics is drawing is jerrymandering, and people

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lost their fucking minds. They would they it would be wild,

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the response would be wild, but the act is absolutely legal.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, what I was going to say is is

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that you know, as much as you think that you're

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going to be attacked by the regime and by, for

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lack of a better term, the left, really what you're

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going to be attacked by. And you know it's something

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that Stormy Waters always says, the enemy of every right

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revolutionary movement is the conservative.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's a It is a major hurdle. I

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don't honestly even know if.

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Speaker 2: You know. One of the issues is that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of the red a lot

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of the red governors are you know, basically farm lobby guys, right,

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they don't actually even have interest in the cities. They

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kind of try to prefer they kind of prefer to

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pretend they don't exist in action, if not in fact,

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if you if you pay attention to, you know, ones

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who say aren't named DeSantis, right, Desanta's is maybe the

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only red state governor who ever, like whoever took any

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interest in what goes on in the cities in his

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state in a in a in a considerable a way,

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in my opinion, and that was mostly because of the

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mostly because of the coronavirus response.

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Speaker 1: So, or you have a state like mine where you

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have a great grandmother who's the the governor is a

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great grandmother. They call him, you know, mem.

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Speaker 3: Mem mema is not going to stand. It is not

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going to it's not going to seize power like this.

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What you know we need we need I don't know,

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we need right wing Pelosi to If it's going to

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be a woman, it's going to be a generational woman.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But also you have to believe that what would cause

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a governor to act in this manner would be an emergency.

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So there's the problem is that there's no real emergency.

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Well sure, well, yeah, the frog is.

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Speaker 3: Boiling, right, when when does it become an emergency? But

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the problem is that, yeah, okay, so you know previous

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example Detroit, you know they they gave it back. Why

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did they give it back? They didn't need to give

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it back. You could have kept it bankrupt forever, right,

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you could have kept it under emergency powers forever. I mean,

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I mean this is not a municipal governance, This is

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not an example from municipal governance. But emergency things can

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just kind of last. There's there's typically no expiration on

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this sort of thing. So, you know, the federal government

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has had control of Fannie May and Freddie Maxon's two

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thousand and eight under emergency powers, has never given them back,

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and those those entities control, uh the entire secondary mortgage

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market for homes in the United States. So which iff which?

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Speaker 2: If?

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Speaker 3: Which is a you know, land use related obviously, but

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is uh it just it just goes to show you

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that we don't really need to once we get it,

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we don't need to give it back, no matter what

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the ostensive reason is. Like that's another reason why conservatives lose,

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because usually conservatives will actually do the operate according to

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the spirit of the law rather than the letter of it.

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You to win, you actually need to just genie logic

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your way through things.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Well do you think that's how it

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gets done? That where you see the first like real

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Blue City get taken back is by emergency like, okay,

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so this is Mundani character just kind of like it.

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And I would say that, you know, like New York

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would be the last, the final boss. I mean, sure,

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that's not going to be the that's not gonna be

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the first ones who uh you know, to get taken back.

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But it almost seems like it would have to be

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like a a failure, a complete failure, A and you

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know you would think that I mean, well, I mean,

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I want to say Chicago, but Thomas lives in Chicago,

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and he's like, it's not as bad. There's there's really

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one section that everyone avoids, but it's not really as

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bad as everybody tries to make it out to be.

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And I was just in Portland and I didn't see

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anything in Portland that made me think, but you know.

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Speaker 3: There are this time around this time last year, I

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was in San Francisco and it is it was exactly

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as bad as advertised in the tenderloin. I will say, uh,

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you know, I I'm not going to dox myself at

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this juncture, but I don't do that. Having been in

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uh you know, have been in many Ross Belt cities.

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The parts of them that are bad are much worse

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than people have a much worse than people have a

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conception of right when a say, like a going through

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going through depleted neighborhoods in parts of Detroit that haven't

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been built back up, and there are parts of Detroit

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that aren't bad, like you know, you can, you can,

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you can find good parts of virtually any city.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And it's they're they're they're recaptured at great expense in

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all cases. But you know, people who live in uh,

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in a suburban area or a small town that has

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not been depleted like that can't understand an entire you know,

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an entire city block that has say, you know, eighty

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addresses right where one tenth of them is occupied. Right,

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It's it's it's insane to see what we've allowed to

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happen in our cities, and even even in places like Chicago, Like, yeah,

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I mean Thomas is right, you can go, you can

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go places in Chicago, especially if we're talking about all

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of Cook County or something like that, or the broader

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metro area. Yeah, there are still there are still plenty

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of nice places to be, but we also just allow

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ghettos and slums to exist. And those places don't you know,

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buildings don't fall down.

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Speaker 2: On their own.

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Speaker 3: They fall down because people neglect them and flee them

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and can find no takers because of the people who

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live around them being allowed to continue to be be

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produce negative externalities on a daily basis. Let's say, in

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the most diplomatic possible terms, Well, you know small I

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live in a small town and small towns. Have you

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tried that in a small town?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, and the.

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Speaker 1: People will anyone who's living, you know, the people who

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are elected to office in a small town, A lot

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of them are legacy, a lot of them, you know,

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are you know, And there's there's corruption, not corruption on

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a mass scale, but there's going to be corruption. But

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you know, when you when you.

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Speaker 3: Multiply that to by the agricultural land where the off

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ramp is going to go. Yeah, yes, that kind of thing, yes, thankfully,

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thankfully I live in a county that uh doesn't have

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a federal road, So yeah, that kind of thing doesn't

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don't happen.

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Speaker 2: But there's but the.

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Speaker 1: When you multiply that to like where I used to live, Atlanta,

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you're talking about levels of corruption, I mean, and and

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basically all Atlanta is is a smaller version of Washington,

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DC when it comes to corruption. So you know what

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you're looking at is I could see a governor doing

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as you described for a a smaller city, you know,

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if something really really bad happened or something like that.

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But you're kind of looking at like the Atlanta's of

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the world, or the Montgomery's of the world, or the Orlando's.

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Orlando is one of the most corrupt places on the

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fucking planet.

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Speaker 3: I honestly think, I honestly think that one of the Okay,

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there are lots of cass as bellies that could potentially

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00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,960
be used in order to take a city back. The

477
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,680
one that is most boring but also like fairly plausible

478
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,200
is you know, starving cities, starving cities of federal and

479
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
state funds, which would have to be a coordinat an effort,

480
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,920
of course, and might take quite some time, causing them

481
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,000
to bankrupt themselves because they can't balance their budgets, and

482
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,400
then seizing them in receivership and not giving them back.

483
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:20,480
That's one way. Other ways, significant civil unrest would has

484
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,000
been used to take to take police departments from a

485
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,319
lot of a lot of blue cities and put them

486
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,519
directly in the hands of the state. Unfortunately, that doesn't

487
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,359
change the people in those police departments and doesn't change

488
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,640
typically doesn't change who gets to hire the chief of

489
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,680
police and things like that. So it's very very difficult

490
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,039
to rip them out, root and stem and replace them

491
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,920
with a bunch of judge dreads. But it's a step,

492
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,319
it's a step, and it shows, it shows that it's

493
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:57,640
that the Hunter versus Pittsburgh decision is alive and well.

494
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,559
Because local policing is a is an agency and an

495
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,160
operation of local government that can be alienated at will

496
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,119
from cities, right, and that's been done. That's been done

497
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:11,960
throughout the country in many different cities.

498
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

499
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: I was going somewhere with this, and and I've lost

500
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,960
my way, so prompt me again, Prompt me again, Pete.

501
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Oh, I was talking about just how the bigger how

502
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
the corruption of like d C when you scale itself.

503
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,519
Speaker 3: Yes, any any any scandal that can be uh you

504
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:46,920
know that can be judiciously may judiciously pumped up in

505
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,000
the media, right, assuming you have a compliant media group,

506
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,440
or it's salacious enough to really go wild in social

507
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,519
media in a way that the mainstream can't avoid it.

508
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,759
Some level of corruption getting blown up like that could

509
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,840
be sufficient cause, especially if we're talking about multiple city governments,

510
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,679
longtime mayor something where you have to say that this

511
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,960
problem is actually actually goes all the way down and

512
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,960
we need to rip it all out right. That that

513
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:26,599
is another sufficient sufficient cause that I think has has

514
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,199
real legs. And honestly, there there are so many Anyone

515
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:37,159
who is sufficiently engaged in the politics of a city

516
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:44,559
will sort of realize that there are these open secrets

517
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,079
right where you just don't talk about it because you know,

518
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,000
state Senator whatever is nailing the chief of staff for

519
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:59,960
the mayor, and you know this decision was made over cocaine, whatever, whatever, whatever,

520
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,840
Like all of these people go to parties together. I'm

521
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,920
not even kidding. It's so many decisions in this country

522
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,360
are made over cocaine and alcohol, at least, uh well,

523
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,320
at least in my town.

524
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,159
Speaker 2: So you.

525
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: If you can pump up any of these things to

526
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:26,280
be to be salacious enough that there's a public outcry,

527
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000
then that you have a chance to take to take

528
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,239
it as well. But I think far and away the

529
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,480
one that would be far and away the one that

530
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,679
would be able to be able to prompt since we

531
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,400
don't control the media would be would be the financial one,

532
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,840
and you could probably get the Conservatives to go along

533
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,960
with you because they love they love acting like everything

534
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:58,559
is a house's checkbook, so it's an easier sell for them.

535
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: Well cap, I guess the uh the question is how.

536
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,559
Speaker 3: When is the when do we do it? Do it now?

537
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,400
Do it now? We could do it now, we could

538
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:17,760
of course.

539
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,559
Speaker 1: We could do it now, but we don't have our guy.

540
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,639
We don't have our guys in place. And that's the uh.

541
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,119
You know, the first time one of our one of

542
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,039
our guys becomes like a governor or a lieutenant governor,

543
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,119
governor our guy, hell.

544
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you.

545
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,559
Speaker 1: You know, I mean we should probably have mayor and

546
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:41,440
sheriff our guy first. I mean that that's very helpful.

547
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: Mayor and mayor our guy is super hard. Mayor our

548
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:48,960
guy is incredibly difficult because every city has its own

549
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,039
political feeder system. People don't typically go mayor governor, right,

550
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,760
People do not do mayor governor. There's a whole state

551
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,159
level political system that happens in most states, and then

552
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,039
there and then that leads to the governorship, and then

553
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,119
there's a There are city political systems that lead to

554
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,679
mayor and that leads to that ends at mayor, and

555
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,079
then both mayors and governors can go can aspire to

556
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,159
national office, House or Senate if you're a big enough

557
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,199
name and you have enough friends, and you know, obviously

558
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,800
the top the top tier of any of these can

559
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:38,400
be mister president. But typically you don't. These are parallel tracks,

560
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:40,440
and I actually think that a lot of our guys

561
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,159
have a much better shot at being We could have,

562
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:47,760
like one election cycle, not even that hard to get

563
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,719
one of our guys in as a state level house rep.

564
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,039
Not not difficult every you know, I mean, even the

565
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:59,519
Libertarians managed to get state level house reps all the time,

566
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,559
so we could do it. Not an issue, and that

567
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,079
can lead you to I mean, that can lead you

568
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:13,119
to governor pretty pretty rapidly. That said, I think that,

569
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,280
and and we we should definitely any anyone who is listening,

570
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,480
who is aspiring to such a thing should absolutely go

571
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,920
for it. Right But those are not the only routes

572
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,440
to power. You know, many many of our guys. A

573
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,280
favorite member of the administration right now, Steven Miller, has

574
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,039
not been elected to public office, and has quite a

575
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:43,760
lot more power than than many people in the government

576
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:50,519
who have been elected. So you know there are ways

577
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:57,000
by just being an operator in administrations on campaigns. You know,

578
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,599
you work on a campaign, you get a job in

579
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,800
the offe of the person you worked with, That's how

580
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,280
it works. Or you get an appointment to a position

581
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,840
and congratulations, you're the head of a You're the head

582
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,079
of a state or city department. Right, and now you

583
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,880
control a budget, and now you can you know, within

584
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,119
the bounds of the law, pick and choose with little

585
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:25,719
nudges where that shit goes. Right, That's that's what the

586
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,719
left did, right, it it works. We could do that.

587
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,559
There's nothing stopping us from doing that other than a

588
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,079
knowledge of how the system works and a willingness to

589
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:36,519
actually reward our friends.

590
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:44,159
Speaker 1: Well, that is interesting in that we are seeing like

591
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,079
a change, we are seeing people. It's more clear to

592
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,360
even to politicians especially, and to people in politics that

593
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,639
that friend enemy distinction that James Lindsay is so afraid

594
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,280
of while he uses it and abuses it as much.

595
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Do you mean do you mean the friend enemy distinction

596
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:15,800
from noted Nazi journalist Carl Schmidt. Yeah, jurist, journalist, jurist, jurist,

597
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,320
the chief the crown jurist of the Reich.

598
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,559
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, he's he's got. All of his ideas

599
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,199
are poisoned, like the idea that you should start the

600
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
day with coffee and and a and a nice piece

601
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,519
of toast, the Nazi idea of starting the day with

602
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,400
coffee and a nice piece of toast, or the Nazi

603
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,360
idea that people who are your friends you should treat well,

604
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,599
and people who you who are your enemies you should

605
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:44,280
you should not treat as well. That's yes, yes, so strange. Huh,

606
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:51,679
it's crazy. But as you're seeing more, I mean, we're

607
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,760
things are just becoming so binary, are You're right? Our

608
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360
guys don't even have to get elected to office. What

609
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,880
they have to be willing to do is they have

610
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,920
to be willing to be able to be advisors, be

611
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,760
able to The thing I saw was I don't know

612
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,880
if you remember this from I think it was twenty seventeen.

613
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,480
There's a guy on Twitter who was He had one

614
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,440
of the in the picture he posted himself of a

615
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,360
picture and had one of those pipes. I can't remember

616
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,199
the long stem pipe. I can't remember what the fuck

617
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,800
those things are called. But he had, like, you know, celebrating.

618
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Of course, you don't mean a corn cob pipe.

619
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this was this when I was long

620
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,079
a long stem and everything. Yeah, we're not talking about

621
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:43,239
that guy. This is from twenty seventeen, and he twenty seventeen,

622
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,679
twenty eighteen. He's like celebrating, you know, the way I

623
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,599
celebrate it when I turned my neighbor, when I call

624
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,079
ice on my neighbor. And like somebody pointed out, like

625
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,599
someone took a screenshot of that tweet from back then

626
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:02,519
and posted it recently and said, yeah, this guy this,

627
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:09,840
this guy works in the administration, in with the in

628
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:15,400
like the apartment home had security now based based Yeah,

629
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,320
you know, I mean, now, the problem is is that

630
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:23,760
you you know, we want to see remigration, and there's

631
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,679
a lot of talk now I you know, I don't

632
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,920
know about you, but I'm at the point where it's like,

633
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,880
go on Twitter and tell me what you did, not

634
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,119
what you want to do, not what you plan on doing.

635
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Because there's been a lot of I'm going to go

636
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,760
on Twitter, you know, and tell you what we're what

637
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,119
we plan on doing, and then we don't see that

638
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,880
get done. How about you just go on Twitter after

639
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,679
you Hey, we've already done it. Yes, it happened twenty

640
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,599
minutes ago. Yeah, or no. It's like, well, you know,

641
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,800
for the for the past, for the past month, we

642
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,679
decided we were going to deport one million people, and

643
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,079
we deported one million people instead of going on Twitter

644
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,960
and on you know, we plan on doing this in

645
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,639
the next month, and then we don't see any results.

646
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

647
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously obviously for the obviously for the administration.

648
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,320
Uh that that would be a wonderful thing. Uh. There

649
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
there is also some danger of our guys, you know,

650
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:32,119
adding to adding to dog piles on random libtards and

651
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,719
and and retweeting the base take right and not and

652
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,920
not think and like ending their day like wow, I

653
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,960
sure did a lot of engagement. Fuck what what did

654
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,280
that do?

655
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: Right? Uh?

656
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: You know, amplifying, boosting all that stuff. It's obviously good,

657
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,440
but it's also it is ultimately pretty low effort, and

658
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,480
so we need to be in we need to be

659
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,960
doing things that have effects beyond ourselves. So you know,

660
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,320
for some people that is uh, you know, uh, for

661
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,840
some people that is just as much as you know,

662
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,719
making making a judicious choice about who you do business with,

663
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:14,880
Like maybe that's the most you can handle.

664
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: And that's that's perfectly fine.

665
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,119
Speaker 3: And for some people that is, you know, choosing to

666
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:28,440
work in a promising uh a promising candidates uh you know,

667
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,599
second campaign, right for for state level or maybe uh

668
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,920
maybe federal Uh maybe a federal position, right, and then

669
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,840
you work in their office and you are the one

670
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,239
who chooses what white papers they get to see. That's

671
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,480
supremely powerful and completely underrated. I mean, we just went

672
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,480
through four years of a bunch of uh a bunch

673
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,679
of staffers secretly puppeting a president or not so secretly,

674
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,239
I guess from from our perspective, but people were sure surprised.

675
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,159
And uh, that's that. That is an avenue that is

676
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,920
open to you. You have many options, uh, and you

677
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,440
need to pick one that's actually going to build you

678
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880
in a position to be in a position to be

679
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,719
the guy with the pipe who went from ship posting

680
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:30,599
to actually actually calling out raids. So yeah, well let's

681
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,199
talk about that. Let's go back to cities for a second. Sure, well,

682
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,039
let's go back to cities. Let's go all of us

683
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:37,679
right now.

684
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: If our guys, well, yeah, if our guys are in

685
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,119
a city right now, say they're in a city, and

686
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,679
talk about what would be a good thing to be

687
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,679
doing if you're single, or what would be a good

688
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:53,599
thing to do if you have a family. What do

689
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:57,519
you think would be Uh? Do you specifically mean to

690
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:02,159
improve the Uh? Do you specific mean to improve your

691
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,360
the life just around you?

692
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Or me?

693
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: To take care of yourself? You got to take care

694
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,639
of yourself. Yeah, what do you do?

695
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:16,159
Speaker 1: It has to start there. You can't improve everything around

696
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,239
you unless you you have to. Your home has to

697
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,440
be in order before you can even think about doing that. Sure, Okay,

698
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,079
So just here's base level something anyone can do. If

699
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,320
you're in a city and stuff kind of fucking sucks,

700
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,360
and you've got some neighbors who are on their porch

701
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,760
shouting at all hours of the night, and everything always

702
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,679
smells like fucking weed. Your city has some sort of

703
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,119
online portal where you can do where citizens can do

704
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,079
nuisance reports. You gotta be the nebbiest fucking neighbor in existence.

705
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,159
You got to be looking outside your blinds, You got

706
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,760
to be taking a photo, You got to got to

707
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,280
be making reports. Make a report every week, Put it

708
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
on your little put it on your calendar so it's

709
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,079
in your phone. It gives you an alert, and it says,

710
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,920
make a report about those pieces of shit down the block.

711
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,840
And you know what, every city keeps track of how

712
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,719
many reports get made, and every single city will eventually

713
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,599
actually respond to that. People who are not your natural

714
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:19,159
political allies will help get those things, get those things

715
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:23,960
done because squeaky wheels are tracked metrics, and all of

716
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,639
these bureaucracies run on these types of metrics. So do

717
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,920
that do that make that system work for you? Set

718
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,480
up a script like vibe code of script that puts.

719
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: In a report every week if you need to.

720
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,039
Speaker 3: But like, that's one thing that you can do to

721
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,960
fight in a small way, fight in a small way

722
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,760
against a narcotyranny, right, and fight in a small way

723
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,280
against the negative externalities of certain people who shall remain nameless.

724
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,679
So in terms of actually seizing power things like that,

725
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:07,039
there are places for people with different political persuasions. Occasionally,

726
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,440
even in city governments. You if you're if.

727
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:11,679
Speaker 2: You're not.

728
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: Well, beware of opseec. Obviously, always beware of OPSEC. But

729
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,519
you can express more conservative opinions of certain things as

730
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,000
long as whatever those things are is has some sort

731
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:39,960
of leftist connotation, things like historical preservation or pollution or noise, ordinances, beautification,

732
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,599
all of those things will be you know, parks departments typically,

733
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,679
parks departments and building divisions are typically the most right

734
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,639
wing organs of any city government because they fucking have

735
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,519
to be. Like those are those are major enforcement mechanisms.

736
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,960
Uh you know, building building divisions can just seize property

737
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,360
faster than any other portion. Board of Election commissioners jobs,

738
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,840
low level jobs in Board of Election Commissioners, you will

739
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,599
be right there when they roll in the door with

740
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,280
a dolly full of h full of harvested ballots from

741
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,760
the old folks home. You will be able to take

742
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,519
a photo of that. And hey, you know those jobs

743
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:33,000
come with many's. You just gotta, you just gotta, you

744
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,039
just got to play the game, as distasteful as it

745
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:41,320
might be. So those are all opportunities for uh, you know,

746
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,599
for virtually anyone because you know, I'll tell you the

747
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,280
the people who are currently doing those jobs are fucking retarded.

748
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,880
So any anyone listening to this is likely to be

749
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,440
at least ten to fifteen IQ points.

750
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:01,199
Speaker 2: Hire what do you like?

751
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,639
Speaker 1: If we do get to the point, and I mean,

752
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,000
it's probably will be long gone before this, before this

753
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,760
might even be a possibility that these do get taken back.

754
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:17,880
I mean, how do you keep them? You're I'm of

755
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,840
the opinion that, okay, most you know what I think.

756
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: God, So this question was asked, and I won't mention

757
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,159
who asked it, but this question was asked during my

758
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,800
talk at the OGC, and the answer is, you don't.

759
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:42,480
You never get to stop fighting like you are here forever.

760
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,039
Your children will be fighting the same fight like we

761
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,880
are fighting against entropy, we're fighting against the night Right.

762
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,199
You don't get to stop fighting. There's no final victory

763
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,119
until Christ returns. It literally, there is no final victory

764
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:03,880
until Christ returns. And so that's that's how it is.

765
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,480
We will, we will have like localized times of great triumph,

766
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:15,599
but we will always be fighting. That's it. This is

767
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,960
a strategy for the situation that we're in. You know,

768
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,920
if if cities were really red and state governments were

769
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,760
really blue, Gavin Newsom would have nuked would have nuked

770
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:33,320
right wing Los Angeles yesterday using all the strategies I

771
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,920
just said, And he would be right to do so. Strategically, right,

772
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,760
we just need to have we need to have the will,

773
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,320
and we need to have the morale to realize that

774
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,559
like these are paths available to us. You know, these

775
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:55,679
cities are ours, they are our birthright. The they are

776
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:59,800
massive centers of funds, they're massive centers of power. All

777
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:05,880
of the lower rungs on those on the ladders up

778
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,280
to power right are currently occupied by star Wars names

779
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,719
in patronage positions. You need to get your foot on

780
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,920
one of those rungs by hook er, by crook, practice tikia,

781
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:25,320
like take an insight role like just you know, be

782
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,000
a don't wear the don't wear the maga hat to

783
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:32,920
the job interview, get on it and start working on it.

784
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:38,360
While people who are in positions of power also you know,

785
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,960
hopefully get their heads out of their asses and and

786
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:46,480
do one of the more robust strategies that we've outlined.

787
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,280
But we have to we have to make sure that

788
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,559
our feet are on those rungs.

789
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something that CJ. Angle Uh talks about all

790
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,320
the time. He's like, the problem even if you do

791
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,119
find a conservative like that has power, that's in a

792
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:10,880
position of in a position of authority within politics, even

793
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,280
if they're even if they're not completely bought off. The

794
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,480
one thing that conservatives don't understand that you know the

795
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:25,119
other side does is that politics doesn't sleep. It never stops.

796
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,840
You you haven't won, there is no there's literally no winning.

797
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,039
It's a constant. It's it's a forever war. Yeah, and

798
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,360
you're and as soon as you step back and say, ah,

799
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,199
I won, let's you know, really what We're just going

800
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,679
to lower taxes a little bit and you know, we'll see,

801
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,480
we'll see what that does. Yeah, you've lost, You've you've taken.

802
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,000
You went forward one step and you've just gone back

803
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,599
ten and they've just jumped forward twenty.

804
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

805
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it's okay, Patriots win the super Bowl. They'll

806
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,440
have to play again next season. That's it. That's what

807
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,719
you're doing. It will it will never end for it

808
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,639
will never end for us until until we're dead or

809
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:19,360
we receive our final reward. So yeah, I just and

810
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,159
it's just too easy. I think when people do get elected,

811
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,159
when they do get some power, when they do get

812
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:32,199
that position, to just take all the benefits that come

813
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,519
from it and forget about forget about their people. It's

814
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,960
like the enemy, does you know we talk about this

815
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,400
all the time. It's like the enemy gets power and

816
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,800
they get their most radical friends like sinecures elected to office,

817
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:54,480
all the sorts of things. Some quote unquote right winger

818
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,840
gets elected to office, and like the guy who is

819
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,920
working on his campaig an who you know, mentions like yeah,

820
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,280
mentions somebody who's It doesn't even have to be Carl Schmidt.

821
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,480
It could be you know, it could be it could

822
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,440
be Oswaltzwengler. And it's like, oh, well, you know, I'm

823
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,559
gonna have to cancel this guy before he gets me canceled.

824
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,199
And they literally think that way. I think that is

825
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,440
one of the reasons they do that. Yeah, no, I

826
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,519
mean it's they have well, this is all like seeking

827
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,920
approval from the enemy, right, it's.

828
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 4: Like, oh no, no, no, no, we're don't We're don't worry,

829
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:42,280
We're not rasist. Look, we elected a black retod like,

830
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:47,000
that's our candidate top that, Oh, yours is just a

831
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:54,360
white woman. Hah fuck we lost the election. Great, awesome,

832
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,880
good job victory at last. Can you imagine how bad

833
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,639
it would have been if some how Nikki Haley had

834
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,280
won the UH won the nomination.

835
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 2: For the GOP.

836
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 1: Are you just talking about the fact that the White

837
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,559
House would be indy, you know, be like people be

838
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,000
shitting in the corner.

839
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,599
Speaker 3: Or marginally marginally more Indian than it is at present.

840
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, yes, I can't can't imagine what the

841
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,039
FBI office is like, what does somebody say?

842
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: Someone said that.

843
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,559
Speaker 1: The good thing about cash Mittell taken over the FBI

844
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,599
is is that even if he didn't, you know, do

845
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,159
what he's promised to do, turn it into a museum

846
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,639
to the deep State, you know, everybody would be so

847
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,679
repulsed and turned off that no work would get done anyway.

848
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,280
That's right, that's right.

849
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: Everyone's everyone's got got old fashioned wooden clothes pins on

850
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,920
their nose, walking around trying to trying not to step

851
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,239
on any of the plastic bags that are now littering

852
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,960
the hallways. Uh, you know, in the grounds. It's a

853
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,719
it's amazing what one can do.

854
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.

855
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's call it right there. You come,

856
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,079
you can come back on anytime and maybe maybe even

857
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,840
we'll people should know, like before this, all we were

858
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,079
doing was talking about movies. Before we started recording, we

859
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:28,960
were just talking about movies. You know, what's you know,

860
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:33,679
what's funny? Last Christmas? Right at Chris the very next.

861
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: Day, you gave it away.

862
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,239
Speaker 1: Mike Ferris invited me on a show Coffee and Mike,

863
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,199
I always go on there and he lets me rant

864
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,440
about a certain you know, tribe of people. Sure you know?

865
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:52,760
And right, yeah, exactly. And so we did an episode

866
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,239
for Christmas where all we did was talk about movies.

867
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,039
Let's talk about some some of our favorite movie. Do

868
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:03,039
you know how many fucking sparks complained? Look at the way,

869
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:05,719
Look at the situation this country is in and you're

870
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:11,599
on you're you're talking about movies. How dare how dare you?

871
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,679
I'm so base. I'm so based. I don't listen to

872
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,239
I don't listen to music unless it's Wagner. And I

873
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,480
don't watch movies unless it's Triumph of the Will.

874
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: That's right, Triumph of the Triumph.

875
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: Of the Will.

876
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,039
Speaker 3: Uh in uh on my meta oculus while I listen

877
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:36,119
to to Wagner at three X speed, just uh yeah.

878
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,199
I have my I have my I have my nurse maid.

879
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,039
I have my I have my nurse maid, putting uh

880
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,199
putting droppers in my eyes like a clockwork orange so

881
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,199
that I can so that I don't need to blink

882
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:49,079
while I watch it.

883
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:56,719
Speaker 1: People people promote anything you want cut, okay, Well, you

884
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,920
can find me at the Capitalisimo on X formerly Twitter.

885
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: Give me a follow, I appreciate it.

886
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,079
Speaker 3: You can also find me on the Tookies mag YouTube

887
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:08,199
channel where I do Library of Mass Destruction with our

888
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:13,039
friend Christopher Sandbatch. We do full read throughs, full read

889
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:19,920
throughs of media and media and history books of a

890
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,400
subaltern variety. And you can also find me on Drivetime

891
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,039
Movie Night on X and Rubble with Michael pol every

892
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:31,039
Wednesday and you'll be able to see mister Pekanonez there

893
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,360
next month.

894
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: You guys read full books. I wonder someone else.

895
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: Is there anyone else who does that? I'm pretty sure

896
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,960
I invented reading an entire book on stream.

897
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where I got that idea from, because

898
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,840
I've been doing it now for solo. I did the

899
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,079
first one in twenty twenty one, and I'm just trying

900
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,480
to figure out who where I got the idea to

901
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,280
do that from.

902
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an audiobook with color commentary. Yeah, so

903
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,079
you know, it's it's good. It's good, it's it's it's

904
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:14,199
a it's it's a very very viby to produce. I

905
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:17,360
guess from now we're really talking shop. It's very it's

906
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,400
very fun to do that. You always know what you're

907
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,880
going to get into. I actually like to not read ahead, right.

908
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,320
The first book we did was Aberration in the Heartland

909
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,960
of the Real Wendy Paintings History of the Oklahoma City

910
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,400
Bombing Expansive History of the Oklahoma City Bombing, and we

911
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,679
that was like fuck, that was like ninety hours, and

912
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,880
uh it was. It was great because I hadn't read

913
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,800
it for ten years, and so I was I was

914
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,639
rediscovering things as we went along.

915
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: So huh, yeah, yeah, I think that the first the

916
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,519
first thing I read, what in its entirety was Uncle

917
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:01,559
Ted's Manifesto.

918
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, great, classic classic.

919
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's just you know, everybody's everybody's having. And

920
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,840
then the next thing we read was a Sttan Revolution

921
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,599
by Lennon So yeah.

922
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: I am enjoying two hundred years together. The paragraph by

923
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,559
paragraph analysis is is great, so is wild.

924
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: Huh. I mean there's no way, there's no way in

925
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,039
hell I could do that without doctor Matthew r.

926
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: Fl Oh for sure. Sure.

927
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean having someone there who's like, oh, I know exactly,

928
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,239
I read a book about this guy. I'm trying to

929
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,559
pronounce his name, and Doctor J is like, oh yeah,

930
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,960
I read a book by those guys, so I read.

931
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we go way back. Yeah.

932
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: All right man, do you have a good night? And

933
01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:11,239
thank you, thanks so much.

934
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:11,199
Speaker 3: S