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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor and chief of the Federalist,

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and David Harsani, a senior writer at The Washington Examiner.

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We love to hear from you. So, Molly, we have

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a new governor here in Virginia, Abigail Spanberger, who ran

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a campaign promising moderation. She I believe a few years

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ago during a Democratic Party meeting, said that the party

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should never use the word socialist again. Her first day

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in office, what do we have or our first week

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in office? What do we have? We have a slew

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of hard left policies, tax raises, abortion abortion bills, gun control,

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lack of accountability for elections. Like every kind of foundational

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progressive idea to weaken the country has already been embraced

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by Democrats in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Well, all that and more.

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Speaker 3: She fired anyone who was good in the state universities

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and is replacing it with hard left activists. All the

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hard left activists are being put throughout her administration so

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that they can do the most damage most quickly, and

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because of the information warfare environment we're in the corporate media,

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which love what she's doing. They're not saying like, oh,

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this person lied when they said.

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Speaker 2: They were a moderate.

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Speaker 3: Didn't we lied when we said she was a moderate.

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They're just kind of acting like these are totally normal things.

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Speaker 2: That are being done, and it's a very worrisome situation.

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For it is true that Virginia is.

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Speaker 3: A pretty Democrat state, but this is coming off of

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a rare occurrence of where we had a Republican governor,

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lieutenant governor, and attorney general. And it's not just Abigail Spaanberger.

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By the way, you might remember that the attorney general

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had wished for the death of his political opponents and

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for their children to witness it.

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Speaker 1: Jay Jones was that his name?

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Speaker 3: It is his name, and that's my attorney General of

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the Commonwealth. So this is disconcerting, it's scary.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's done right. Yeah, it's done right.

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Speaker 1: Scary. She Spamberger is a weak politician in a lot

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of ways. I don't find her very impressive at all.

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She won easily because Republicans did not run good candidates,

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did not run good campaigns here in Virginia. I do

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wonder though, if they would. Here's the thing, Younkin was

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actually a popular governor of Virginia, despite this being a

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blue state. I think he was popular because he could

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reach out and because he was gave a moderate face

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to conservative ideas that I think are actually quite popular,

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and he could express them in a way that maybe

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like Joshapiro in Pennsylvania can do on the other end

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of it, you know, And these are popular governors. Smnberg

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is not going to be popular governor if she raises

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taxes on all deliveries as she's going to do, if

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she raises taxes on businesses as she's going to do

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on new businesses, if she has the abortion bill the

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Democrats are talking about. What was the governor's name who

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said that we should be able to kill babies after

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they're born, Ralph Northam. Yeah, this is like essentially going

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to make that reality. It's just incredibly radical. A lot

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of people have guns here in Virginia. Second Amendment is

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not an unpopular thing here, and there's a gun bill

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that's going to attack that as well. So I do

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wonder how if this will help Republicans. I mean, I

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don't it doesn't really matter because they're going to ruin

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the state by that point. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is pretty standard, MO, and you can

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do a lot when you have corporate media at your

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beck and call, and she does. I mean, none of

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them are saying we lied to you when we said

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she was a moderator. She lied to you when she

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said she was a moderate. They're just acting like these

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radical positions aren't a big deal, and then when they

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take effect years later, or when the when the effects

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are felt years later, they're not going to tie it

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to their lives or political party differences. It's a very

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powerful thing that democrats and the left have with control

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of nearly all the media, and I think this is

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no exception.

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Speaker 1: Can I tie this into I'm sorry, going sorry, I

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just go ahead, No, no, please go on.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend.

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Speaker 3: We were driving in Virginia on Saturday, and she's a

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very moderate, bushy type Republican and she was saying that

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she feels like when Democrats are in power, they act

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like they will never lose power, and when Republicans are

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in power, they act like they're not in power. And

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I thought that, I mean, that's how I felt for

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a very long time, but that I was hearing it

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from her really spoke I think to the general frustration

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that a lot of Republican voters feel that even if

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they do the hard work of winning elections, it doesn't

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seem to result in the type of change that Democrat

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voters get when they put the hard work into winning elections.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that that's a popular sentiment, but I

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think there are reasons for that beyond that Republicans are

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just more cowardly or something. It's that if you are

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still and there are fewer of them, a small government conservative,

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you don't view government, you don't want government to be

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an act. You don't want it to be as activists

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as a left wing person does. So you're always fighting

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a defensive battle if you're that kind of person, and

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it becomes very difficult. But just something you said about

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the media and how there will be no real repercussions

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for lying to people I was thinking about. I don't

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know if you saw the story where a bunch of

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these climate extremists from twenty years ago have admitted, essentially

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like Bill Gates and others, that their doomsday predictions haven't

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come true. And that they need to take a more

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moderate tone on this stuff, like they put this country.

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We have so many terrible laws and regulations on the

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books undermining our prosperity and all of that, and all

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of the media to participated in this climate deniers, all

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the kind of rhetorical tricks they use to demean and

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undermine people who didn't believe climate doomsday predictions. And there's

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no there's no reckoning, there's nothing. No one has to

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pay a price. The same people are on the television,

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the same people are lecturing us in a different way. Now,

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there is never any reckoning there. We've talked about this

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with the Russia Russia collusion hoax and all of that.

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So it's a it's a tough fight on that flank

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as well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of you know Spanburg Or one of her first

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acts was to rejoin I think it's called Reggie. It's

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that greenhouse gas initiative. It's total scam, nonprofit that you

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pay the nonprofit for carbon credits and the effect on

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consumers in Virginia is to dramatically increase their energy costs.

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And yeah, just for these completely ridiculous, outloaded ideas that

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don't work. Oh, she did also talk about how she

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ended ICE cooperation. She's in rebellion in a very Virginia sense,

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we're good at this over the years. She's in rebellion

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against the United States government over enforcement of immigration and borders.

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And this is a big issue because Virginia has brought in,

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i mean, just unbelievable numbers of illegal immigrants, including a

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you know, according to the news every single night, a

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ton of criminal illegal aliens. It's a major issue when

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you're involved in an accident, which you know I've experienced

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in my family and among my friends, where you're involved

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in an accident with an illegal alien and you're on

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the hook for everything, you know, it's it's a major issue.

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And to say we're not going to cooperate with our

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laws that were democratically passed and we're not going to

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cooperate with the enforcement of those laws, it's just an

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open rebellion, open insurrection, as they say, against the United States,

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and again not a moderate position.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we have never or we're not getting

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to the essence of that debate. So it's always how

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you know, the left is always pointing out some excessive

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force allegedly used by ACE or whatever. But the essence

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of the debate is that states don't want to enforce

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a federal law having to do with the border and

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with immigration, which is under the federal government's purview. You'll

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remember during the Obama administration, Obama went to the Supreme

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Court against Arizona to argue that border enforcement is a

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federal concern. But yet now states simply ignore it. And

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I would love to ask Spamberg or someone like that,

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what does she want us to do about illegal immigration?

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But we can never talk about that because ices have been,

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you know, become villains in the eyes of all progressives.

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But we can never I've never really heard someone get

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to the essence of that debate. What exactly do Democrats

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want to do about illegal immigration? How are we supposed

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to enforce those laws? Or do they think that we

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shouldn't enforce those laws? In my view, they don't think

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that we should enforce those laws at all. Well.

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Speaker 3: Mark Hemingway, who I am related to by marriage, wrote

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a piece on just that at the Federalists talking about

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how that is the crux of the issue. Democrats do

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not want to enforce any immigration law because they support

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completely open borders and they get mad when you say,

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wait a minute, sounds like you support completely open borders.

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But if you ask them, okay, so what should be done,

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they literally think nothing should be done.

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Speaker 2: And I think we talked about.

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Speaker 1: This a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But when the shooting of that woman who was interfering

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with law enforcement in Rene, Good, Yeah, when that happened

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to people say I've never seen anything like it. People

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have completely different viewpoints of what they're seeing with this

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cop shooting into the car.

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Speaker 2: It's like, sort of true. It's kind of a.

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Speaker 3: Stupid point, but it's sort of true. Because if you

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think that immigration law is illicit or whatever, you know,

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like corrupted and you can't you shouldn't have any of it,

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you see that cop enforcing immigration law as the worst

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thing in the world. And if you do believe in borders,

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and if you do believe countries have the right to

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police them, and if you do believe people shouldn't be

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here illegally, and if you do believe that police do

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have a monopoly on force in situations, you see something

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totally different.

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Speaker 2: Because your view of the world is totally different.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, Abigail Spanberg, who presents as a moderate and

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never was, she was always a left wing radical, and

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she did. She was smarter about how she ran it

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than some other people are, and that she hid that.

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But the former CIA operative is a radical who does

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not believe, does not really care if I'm assaulted by

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an illegal alien. She just doesn't care. She doesn't care

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if my kid gets in a car accident with a

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criminal illegal alien and.

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Speaker 2: Has to go to the hospital. She doesn't care, and

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neither do any other Democrats.

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Speaker 3: And like, I feel kind of crazy about it because

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to me, it's so obvious you should care about the

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citizens of your state and how they are being hurt

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by a failure to enforce the laws.

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Speaker 2: But she's just adding fuel to the non enforcement fire.

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Speaker 1: The kind of dishonest trick media plays and the left

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plays with this issue is that they have an undue

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focus on alleged excessive force by ICE, so that becomes

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the main story rather than the suffering of, like you say,

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a normal citizen here, so that the whole debate is

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about is Ice using excessive force rather than and what

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do we do and how do we most effectively fix

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this problem? The most effective way to fix this problem

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is for states to cooperate with federal agents and ICE

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to get illegal immigrants out of the country because they

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shouldn't be here in a humane way. Right, I'm all

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for that, but still to enforce the law. There are

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states that do that and there are no problems there.

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Virginia that are going to try to stand in the

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way of ICE, and I bet you that that will

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lead to tragic, some kind of tragic circumstance somewhere. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was another point that Mark made in his Peace,

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which is ICE does enforcement operations in all fifty states.

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You're not hearing about horrific problems in Tennessee because the

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government of Tennessee cooperates with the federal government in the

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enforcement of our immigration laws.

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Speaker 2: And they don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't encourage insurrection against the federal government. It's happening

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all the time in Florida. Florida is actually kind of

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getting a name for itself in how well it is

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supporting the federal law enforcement officers if anyone tries to

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obstruct them. The Florida system is on top of it

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and taking people out of the way who are trying

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to obstruct federal law enforcement. So yes, the problems are

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caused by confusing messages from Democrat politicians or out and

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also with the terrifying thing we saw in I think

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it was Saint Paul the Twin Cities in Minnesota this weekend,

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where a group of left wing terrorists openly bragged about

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how they violated the First Amendment rights of Christians in

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the city by invading the worship space and taking over

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their worship. To this point, not a single elected Democrat

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of note in Minnesota has condemned this violation of religious rights.

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people who went after the Christians, and their whole reason

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for doing this, which they bragged about, which Don Lemon

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had for knowledge of and participated in, was that one

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of the pastors at that church during the week is

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a law enforcement officer, and they, I guess have a

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weird religious view that Christians can't be engaged in law enforcement,

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which you know, is something certainly that people have talked

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about and I would say is not a view held

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by literally any Christian of any note. And so they

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said that because they personally don't think that a Christian

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should be in law enforcement, that they had the right

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to terrorize a congregation in Saint Paul. I mean, that's

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where we are, and nobody did anything. The police weren't there,

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even though they were like broadcasting what they were doing.

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The state government has done nothing about it. And still,

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I mean, as of the time of this taping, no

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one's been arrested for what they did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was called the city's church and Saint Paul.

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Later I saw Don Lemon was somewhere. What's that crazy

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at Jennifer Welch is that her name? She's like some

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kind of off unhinged podcast or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Isn't she. I think she's actually the Grape Welch heiress.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know. Honestly, I can't take more than surgery.

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I can't take ten seconds of that. Boy is sorry.

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I know, call me misogynistic if you like. But he

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said he basically called the people in their white supremacists,

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which is just saying because first of all, a lot

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of the people in that church weren't white, but moreover,

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they were worshiping, and even if they were white, it

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doesn't make them supremacists anyway. But yeah, there's this, I

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have like a broader problem with protest culture in general.

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always seem to believe that their First Amendment rights trump

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the rights of other people's First Amendment protections. So they

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can just shout you down, they can prohibit you from speaking,

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if you're a comedian, if you're at a school wherever,

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that they can just shut you down. And they did

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that here where people were worshiping, which is gross. And

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I just want to say, Donald Trump, this isn't a

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throw clearing thing. This is to make a point. But

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he does a lot of things a lot of people

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probably don't like. He speaks in a way a lot

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of people don't like. But when you see the other

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side dorming a church, shutting down church services too, in

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defense of illegality, are you really surprised that people are

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going to vote for the Republican over whatever? You know,

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people who defend this kind of this kind of protests

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and not just and it's not even a protest, just

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an act of criminality, and not just here, but you

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have this happening in different ways across the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Heather McDonald had a piece about how refreshing it was

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to have a president just speak like a normal person

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when it comes to some of the horrific crime that

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has been taking place, and how we'd gotten used to

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politicians having this weird, distant way of talking about it.

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Speaker 1: And she was.

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Speaker 3: Quoting what Trump said when that Ukrainian immigrant was brutally

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slaughtered on public transportation in North Carolina, and how he

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just was like, Yeah, this is a monster. We can't

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have that, we can't let this type of stuff happen.

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And I think there is something very refreshing about someone

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just being like, yeah, these people are these people are

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acting crazy, and we can't have it. So a lot

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of Americans do feel that way. Can I say one

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more thing really quickly? You said this wasn't ritual malediction

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or whatever, but I was an X this week and

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that Frank Fleming guy had tweeted something about how so many,

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so much criticism of Trump fails to acknowledge the context

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in which he is speaking, so they'll say that he's

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bad without noting just how horrible some of our other

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leaders are.

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Speaker 2: And I just agreed with him.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I frequently agree with criticism of Trump,

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but when you when you are like so focused on

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it while not acknowledging how horrible are all these other

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so called leaders?

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Speaker 1: Are?

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Speaker 2: You just seem unhinged, right?

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Speaker 1: Ye?

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Speaker 2: I just want to say.

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Speaker 3: People got so mad at me for saying that I

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frequently agree with criticism of Trump, and they were like,

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we knew you couldn't be trusted and you're the worst.

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Speaker 2: And I was just like, wait, I thought we all

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agreed that.

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Speaker 3: You know, Like the thing that kind of comes to

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mind is after Rob Reiner was brutally murdered by his

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son and he's like that, dude's the worst.

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Speaker 2: Do not agree with this, you know?

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Speaker 3: And I say that as someone who was personally personally

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targeted by Rob Reiner for destruction as part of his

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Russia collusion hoax, because we were the publication that was

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doing the most to debunk that. But I just because

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of my own code, I do not believe in that.

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But I didn't think it was like that controversial. And

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I was like, Okay, everyone just calmed down. I think

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I like, I genuinely like Trump and his policies.

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Speaker 2: You know, that doesn't mean that I agree with everyone.

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Speaker 3: And it reminds me of that Ed Cock said, I

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say his name, the mayor of New York gotch sorry

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and got how he was like, if you agree with

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me on seven out of ten things, vote for me.

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If you agree with me on ten out of ten things,

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seek psychiatric help. Like nobody should agree with any you know,

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politician of all people on everything.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I've always found it very difficult when it comes

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to Trump, and maybe Obama had a similar kind of

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hold on people. Where you are either pro Trump or

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anti Trump never really makes complete sense to me. I mean,

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I get it, I get what's happening, but I just

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don't understand why I have to have any kind of

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loyalty to anyone other than my family or whatever friend.

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Tomorrow he could turn around and do a bunch of

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stuff I even hate more than I hate what he's doing,

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you know, I mean, like I don't know what he's

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going to do, and especially someone as mercurial as Donald Trump,

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you can't say I am pro or anti Trump. But

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there's a lot of this thing where oh, I trust

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what he's doing here, even if he sounds crazy or

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he's off off the hook or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm pro Trump.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem saying that I am happier with

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him as president than I've ever been of any president

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in my lifetime. So that doesn't mean again that I

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agree with everything he's done. And I do understand a

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little bit of the defensiveness of him, which is because

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of again this cartoonishly hostile environment in which he operates,

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where you have people just act like it's okay and

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normal to do things like the Russia collusion hoax or

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multiple impeachments or all the judicial insurrection stuff. Like you

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people act like that's normal, and so when someone who

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they trust is also piling on, they're like, really, can

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you not like think of the larger context. So I

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get it, but it just kind of but to be

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fit in getting it, it's like too extreme if you

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can't say I do not agree with this approach he's

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taking here.

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Speaker 1: But to be fair, Donald Trump himself is sort of

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cartoonish in the way that he conducts himself sometimes. So

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it's a weird world we're living in. But I saw

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someone it so and it NR said I forgot who

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it was, said like he liked a lot of what

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Trump was doing or something, and that we needed to

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put we needed to elect people. We need to get

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back to electing people or also sort of morally better right,

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whatever it was, not one of these people will take

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even a moment to consider that these norms were destroyed

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by Barack Obama and later by Joe Biden, even though

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they used very polite rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to avoid saying any bad words.

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Speaker 3: They're the whiniest little girls when dealing with conflict, and

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they backstab and they think they're so cute because they do.

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They don't do it like men fight. Men fight by

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punching each other, but they fight like girls. They're like,

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I'm gonna gossip about this person and really hurt their reputation.

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And Trump is definitely more just like I'm going to

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say out loud that I don't like that person, and

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it's so unlike the way things are done in DC

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because he's not really a creature of DC that they

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don't know how to handle it. But to hear the

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commentariat class be like, I'm so preferred when we were

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acting like little girls about our political enemies. It just

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is impotent and embarrassing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I mean, shouldn't shouldn't the people

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who run this country like, for instance, I noticed this

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trend I'm sure you've noticed as well, or maybe we

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even spoke about it, where everyone and politicians curse now

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all the time, and they do it as a shortcut

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to exert some kind of earnestness, but it's all fake, right,

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and it comes off like they're being I think I

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do think Donald Trump does not think much before he speaks,

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and if he has a problem with someone, he says it,

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and maybe you know, he overstates it, and sometimes I

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think it's kind of disgusting. But I think a decorum,

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a certain level of decorum, is something we should have

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from our leaders. I'm not I agree with you. It

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doesn't need to be this. You know this what is

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like Tip O'Neil and Reagan meeting for breakfast type of

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thing all the time. And you hate each other, then

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you can you don't need to hide that. But we

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should treat each other with a certain level of respect.

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I say that as you know, everyone always tells me

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it's a Christian country. I agree. I mean, we need

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to have a certain amount of respect for each other.

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Everyone is always running around I think picking the worst

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moment their enemy has and defining him. That way, and

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it makes us kind of hate each other, and this

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coarseness and how we speak of each other. I like

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a good debate, I like a good insult, like I'm

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not against any of that, but I think there's this

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ugliness that isn't really about debate anymore. It's like so

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personalized that it's weird to me. I don't even see

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anyone debating policy anymore left right. It's right right on

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the right. People debate right wing policy on the left,

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but I never see that crossover. I don't know. I

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don't even know where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 3: I would give one other thing about this, which is

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it's just this is a topic that I'm personally conflicted on.

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You look at something like the radical trans movement, which

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involves people denying reality, farming bodies, removing healthy body parts,

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forcing everybody into like a fantasy realm where you get

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to change your sex, even though sex cannot be changed.

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Speaker 2: It's innate and unchangeable.

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Speaker 3: And what happened is a lot of people in this country,

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probably based on Christian heritage and not belief, but that background,

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were very polite about the whole thing, polite to the

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point of destruction, and polite to the point that children

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were being mutilated, permanently sterilized, and having their lives destroyed.

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Speaker 2: And there is this.

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Speaker 3: Issue of how far do you take being polite. I

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do agree we should treat each other with respect and love,

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and then I also think that people are taking advantage

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of that to destroy the republic to the point that

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we are going to be vulnerable to war, civil war,

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massive amounts of conflict, and that we should be loving

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but much more forthright about how unacceptable some of these

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positions are. Like communism is unacceptable, and much of the

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Democrat Party is just embracing it fully and thinking that

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if they call it democratic socialism, that will people will

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be nicer to them, and then they are because a

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lot of this stuff is very damaging to the lives

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of Americans. What people are doing to our cities is horrific.

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The taxes, the crime, the like, complete lawlessness happening in

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many cities, and we should be more forthright about opposing it.

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I think and being and that does mean being like

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being intense and sometimes mean.

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Speaker 1: Probably no, I think that's fine. I don't exactly know

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where the line is I mean at line is I

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mean at hominem attacks I don't like. And you see

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them all the time now as a kind of way

479
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,960
to dismiss someone, you know, mocking them for whatever. And

480
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even that's okay sometimes if the person's really evil. I

481
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think you need to be able to call someone evil.

482
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,319
You need to be able to call what is wrong wrong,

483
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,960
what is true truth? Like ten years ago I wrote

484
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a column for The Federalist where I said something like,

485
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,759
we have to start calling people who lie liars, not

486
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call because all these euphemisms and NPR had me on

487
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,240
and it said, like conservative columnist says, you know, we

488
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,440
need to start people calling people liars, like it was

489
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,240
some kind of revolutionary act to just say what things are. Now,

490
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maybe I'm wrong, you know, you can disagree, but there

491
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is a kind of ugly underlying ugliness to a lot

492
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,480
of this, and it I don't know. I don't know

493
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that I think harms the case that maybe people are

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trying to make Sometimes.

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Speaker 4: Well, Washington's housing fixes backfire. The Watchdot on Wall Street

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497
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as well as allowing people to use retirement to make

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down payments. Does adding more cash bring down the price

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or at fuel to the fire. Whether it's happening in

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DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Greenland. Okay, Now we've

507
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mentioned this in passing I think a few times, and

508
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,480
I am actually a fan of trying to obtain Greenland

509
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for the United States for geopolitical reasons. And went the

510
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,880
Chinese there, and I went the Russians there and all

511
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,799
of that. Donald Trump has made this something of I

512
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,759
call it an obsession. I mean, he tweets about it

513
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,519
a lot. He'll tweet about it in the middle of

514
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the night. He'll have memes where there's you know, you know,

515
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,559
the Greenlands of this American just puts an American flag over

516
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:33,039
the whole thing. What I mean, every poll shows me,

517
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and you can believe polls are not that, like seventy

518
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,799
five percent of Americans have zero interest in any kind

519
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:45,640
of military expedition there. Yes, and I agree, And I

520
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,519
think today in Davos, Donald Trump says that he would

521
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not take it by force. This is just like the

522
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,720
way he wheels and deals. I think he's trying to

523
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exert pressure and leverage and all of that. I think

524
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,039
he's thinking about Greenland too much, like let's make an offer.

525
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Let's make it if you want. I saw a lot

526
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,519
of people complaining that, you know, we're suffer here in

527
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,319
American suffer, and now we're going to give ten ten

528
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:16,759
thousand dollars to every person in Greenland, you know. Yeah, yeah,

529
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I think it would be good for the United States,

530
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,960
though I should and if people don't know, Denmark, Greenland

531
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is Dane territory, but we have carte blanche basically to

532
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,160
do what we want there. We have military there. We

533
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,240
signed a deal I believe in the fifties to that

534
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
that the Danes allow us to do essentially whatever we

535
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want there. So I feel like he's just the obsession

536
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,759
with this place. It just does not comport with its

537
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,400
important I don't know what do you mean. I'm just

538
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440
mentioning this because it literally like dominates the news. It's

539
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,799
like he talks about this ninety percent of the time.

540
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Speaker 3: So okay, first off, I'll just say that obtaining Greenland

541
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has been on the wish list of presidents going back

542
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,400
like one hundred years. It's geopolitical significance is massive relative

543
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,119
to like what it is, which is a country with

544
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:25,119
not many people that's very icy and poorly named as Greenland.

545
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160
And Trump seems to be that president who does what

546
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,240
everybody says they're going to do but doesn't do, or

547
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,200
that takes action that everybody else like just talks about.

548
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,720
And so I'm not surprised he was talking about this

549
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:44,279
during the first administration, and when he presented it, everybody

550
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,480
acted like it was the craziest idea. But it really

551
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is something that Americans have thought about for a long time.

552
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Speaker 2: I do not believe.

553
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: I need to study more, but like just you know, cursory,

554
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,640
I'm glad he's saying he doesn't want to use force,

555
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:03,359
because if you subscribe to just war theory, I don't

556
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,519
see the case for, at least at this point, of

557
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,759
a war of expansion that would involve the loss of

558
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,319
life and all that. But I do see a reason

559
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why we could have a good alliance here.

560
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Speaker 1: You know.

561
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Speaker 3: Buick from the Sugar Cubes, I do. So my brother

562
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and I were talking about her because he, for some

563
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,400
reason didn't realize that she had been in the Sugar Cubes.

564
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And I remembered the time the first time I saw her,

565
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,039
which was on Saturday Night Live in nineteen eighty eight,

566
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and I was babysitting and I was very young, and

567
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I immediately went out and bought the tape, the cassette

568
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,440
tape for Life's Too Good.

569
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Speaker 2: And I've always just kind of liked her.

570
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Speaker 3: I think she's got a really great vibe and voice

571
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and all that, and so I was just looking into

572
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her because of this conversation, and I saw that she

573
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was encouraging Greenlanders to throw off all of the colonialism

574
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and become independent. And I was like, Wow, does she

575
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,000
have a death wish for Greenland? Like if they didn't

576
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have support of Denmark or the US, they'd be done right,

577
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Like it would be so easy to take them over

578
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,760
if they were just independent. Like the whole reason why

579
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this is a challenge is because of the Danes.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say, I don't think there

581
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,239
would be a single person would lose their lives if

582
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we wanted to take Greenland. We would take it very easily.

583
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:33,559
It's thirty thousand people there. Here's the thing, you know,

584
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,480
Donald Trump's out there, He's threatening the Danes and others

585
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:39,880
with all kinds of massive tariffs if they don't go

586
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,760
along with this, and that you're just pushing these people

587
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towards China. That it is not worth it's backfiring in

588
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a way. I just think the over like this is

589
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,639
the sort of thing that you should be doing quietly,

590
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,840
not embarrassing another country. The Danes can't be like, oh,

591
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,119
we got bullied into this and we have to do it.

592
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,719
You're going to create a kind of and I'm not

593
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,840
this pro NATO guy. I actually think that that Europe

594
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needs to take care of itself far better. The Danes

595
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,840
actually aren't bad. I mean they they have withstood the

596
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,159
immigration or migration stuff there there there there, terrorists aren't

597
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,559
very high. They're they're they're a good country in a

598
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,360
lot of ways. I just don't get what this how

599
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,239
this benefits the United States to to, you know, push

600
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on this to such a degree. But yeah, I agree

601
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with everything you said.

602
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Speaker 3: Other than that, now, I do think that people don't

603
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:39,079
give credit to Donald Trump's just his negotiation strategy has

604
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,599
worked really well for him over the course of his life,

605
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,159
and it usually does begin with some great outsize threat

606
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:52,159
followed by completely reasonable negotiations. He wrote about it these uh,

607
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,159
you magnificent Mastard. I read it in your book, like

608
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,679
he put it in the book, what his whole negotiation

609
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,880
style is. And everyone acts like it's the craziest thing

610
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,760
world every time they see it, and it's getting kind

611
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,639
of blame. I saw, oh my gosh, I saw someone

612
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,119
say that because of what he'd said about Greenland needing

613
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,480
to like, you know, bow down to us and come

614
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,280
our way, that it was twenty fifth Amendment time.

615
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: I think anyone who.

616
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,119
Speaker 3: Says that we should be looking at the twenty fifth

617
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:24,639
Amendment for Donald Trump should themselves be institutionalized like they

618
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,599
are losing grasp on reality to such an extent that

619
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,559
their loved ones should care for them and put them

620
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,719
in a safe place. Particularly when you see people who

621
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,719
are ostensibly on the right, or who previously claimed to

622
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,239
be on the right, who said word zero about Joe

623
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,679
Biden and the twenty fifth Amendment and then they're out

624
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:49,679
there re upping it. It's embarrassing. I feel badly for them.

625
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,199
I feel bad for them. I feel like they should

626
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,360
get help and that their loved ones should get them

627
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,760
out of public life.

628
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,559
Speaker 1: Well, everybody who talks about the twenty fifth Amendment is

629
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,280
engaged in kind of wishcasting for any at any point.

630
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,840
It's just never probably going to happen, unless there's a

631
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,239
president who has you know, who literally runs naked through DC,

632
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,440
you know what I mean. Like, there's just it's never

633
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,440
going to happen. People talking about it literally.

634
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,039
Speaker 2: Be Joe Biden, and nobody brought.

635
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,199
Speaker 1: It exactly exactly.

636
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: I do think, Well, his friends had died, I mean

637
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,599
he I.

638
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Do think though, like his letter and text or whatever

639
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,079
it was to the Norwegians, I mean, he's just I

640
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,079
don't know why he does stuff like that. Like it's

641
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,400
so to say that Donald Trump is egocentric is a

642
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,400
massive understatement. I don't we need a better word than that.

643
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,320
The Norwegians didn't give him the Nobel Peace Rice, so

644
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,599
now he's angry about that. Like, this is a kind

645
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,639
of stuff that I think probably turns off a lot

646
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,519
of people because it's not about America. Yeah, we'll see

647
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:55,960
what happens.

648
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: I just again, this is.

649
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 1: To me, I mean, we can't we cannot pretend that

650
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:06,119
this is normal, right, nothing about Donald Trump? And also

651
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,599
I just want to one I'll let you talk. But

652
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,360
one thing you mentioned the book. I get the book.

653
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,719
I get what he does. Running a country is not

654
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,400
the same as running a business. The Danes are not

655
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,840
looking for profit here. The Danes Greenland is a welfare

656
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,599
state for the for Denmark, and it's been that for

657
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,559
a long time. It's a prestige thing. So you probably

658
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,280
need to approach it a little different than you would

659
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,360
a hostile takeover of another company or whatever he wrote

660
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,239
about in his book. It's different.

661
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, I just back to the You didn't give

662
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,159
me the peace prize, so why should I care about peace?

663
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:51,440
To me, that reads as obvious humor. And also I

664
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,320
don't know, I mean, does that not strike you as

665
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,320
funny or no?

666
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: A lot of the crazier things he says strike me

667
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,360
as very funny. I just don't know if I want

668
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,559
my president doing it. I don't know if that was

669
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,960
a joke. I feel like probably not, But I don't know.

670
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,280
I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes I don't know.

671
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,559
I do know. Listen, it's not a twenty fifth Amendment thing.

672
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:20,440
Though it's just a bad, bad text or letter. Okay,

673
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,239
let's talk a bit about if you like about Jos Shapiro.

674
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,079
I don't know if you saw this story. He has

675
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,679
a book coming out. It's called Where We Keep the

676
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,440
Light God? Is there anything worse than political memoirs. I mean,

677
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:43,599
I would say ninety percent of them are just it's sufferable,

678
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:50,280
just so difficult to read. He in that book, which

679
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,519
I have not read, I've just read excerpts, he tells

680
00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:02,920
the story of his vetting process the Democratic Party's vice

681
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:08,320
presidential nomination in twenty twenty four, where he had a

682
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,800
meeting with a woman named Dana Remis I guess is

683
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,559
her name, and she was with the Obama administration, who

684
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,880
was quote unnecessarily contentious with him and then asked him

685
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,119
if he was a double agent for Israel or whether

686
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,039
he communicated with an undercover agent of Israel. A lot

687
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:33,039
of Jewish people, including myself, immediately took notice because the

688
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:38,000
dual loyalty smear is not new. In fact, it's quite

689
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,920
it's an old trope. It's been around forever. But hearing

690
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,199
this happened to him makes all the sense in the world,

691
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,159
because there was no reason that he shouldn't have been

692
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,119
the VP. He had taken the VP, not unless he

693
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,800
didn't want it, which it seems to me he did.

694
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,639
He was his approval race. Again, these are just polls,

695
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360
but it matters his approval rating at the time of

696
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,800
this interview. I looked it up. In Pennsylvania, it was

697
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,960
between fifty seven and fifty nine in all polls. He

698
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,920
won fifty six percent of the state In twenty twenty two,

699
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,199
Pennsylvania was won by Donald Trump. Walls, on the other hand,

700
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,639
who eventually got the NOD, was pretty unpopular in his

701
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,480
own state of Minnesota, which has not gone to a

702
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,760
Republican since nineteen seventy two when Richard Nixon won it.

703
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,440
Meaning like Pennsylvania is a very important state. It is

704
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,119
in many ways the pivotal state in the last election,

705
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,639
and they did not go with him. I believe they

706
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,760
didn't go with him because he was Jewish. I'm not

707
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,280
saying that Kamala Harris is an anti Semite. I'm not

708
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,119
even saying that people asked him these questions are anti Semites.

709
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,280
I think they're actually trying to chill When people do this,

710
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:55,199
they're trying to chill your pro Israel views, which they

711
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,800
asked him if he would apologize for speaking out against

712
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,039
these Prohamas protesters. But he was a better candidate in

713
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:05,119
every way. Walls was a one of the worst vice

714
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,840
presidential candidates probably in history, certainly in modern history. There

715
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was no reason not to pick him that I could see.

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So I think it's fair for him to be offended

717
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by these questions. I just want to say, I don't

718
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think he's any kind of hero because at the time,

719
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and I again I was at the Federalist and I

720
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wrote about this, he cowardly walked back his pro Israel positions.

721
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He was a coward. He apologized for a columny he

722
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wrote when he was twenty years old in college where

723
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he said that the Palestinians could never have a state

724
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,920
because they were a warlike people and didn't weren't up

725
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,199
to it, which history has proven him correct his twenty

726
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,559
year old self. And so he clearly wanted to be

727
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:51,760
the vice presidential candidate today when it's financially expedient for him,

728
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,119
when it's politically expedient for him, because this stuff has

729
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subsided somewhat now he speaks out.

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Speaker 3: So I am just thinking about this in the context

731
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of he has a book coming out that he's trying

732
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,840
to sell, and so when you do that, you take

733
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,119
things that are juicy and you go with them. And

734
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:22,280
it sounds like what he went through was what when

735
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,880
it's in the federal judiciary, you call an SDR sex

736
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,920
drugs and rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it's called sex trugs.

738
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Speaker 3: It's like an interview where that we've written that I've

739
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,239
written about a few times as it relates to Supreme

740
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,639
Court nominees. Before someone nominates you, they want to find

741
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,360
out what is going to come out during the campaign,

742
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,599
and so you get asked all sorts of sensitive questions.

743
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,519
Have you ever paid for an abortion? Have you ever

744
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,360
cheated on your wife? Have you taken any illegal drugs?

745
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And the reason why is because you might remember that

746
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,639
under Reagan there was a nominee who had to have

747
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,440
his name pulled because he had smoked marijuana with his

748
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:19,679
graduate students or like law students, And it's a common

749
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,920
occurrence like do you have any tax problems? Do you

750
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,920
have anything like that? And so I could see them

751
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,760
asking questions like have you ever had any dealings with

752
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,480
any foreign agents?

753
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Speaker 2: What were they?

754
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Speaker 3: You know, being more specific about it, and it not

755
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necessarily I know that I know that Kamala Harris has

756
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some issues in the Democrat Party, has some issues with

757
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,239
anti Semitism. But I could also see a case for

758
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,079
this just being a due diligence that they were performing.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe First of all, I want to say,

760
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it is completely legitimate to ask someone do you have

761
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,119
any financial entanglements with this other country? Have you ever

762
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,360
lobbied for this other country? Do you see any conflicts

763
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of interest? That's not what they asked him. They literally

764
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,840
asked him if he had been a trader. Right? Do

765
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,360
you think that you know that Walls went to China

766
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,400
in nineteen eighty nine when Tiaman Square happened the protesters

767
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,480
were killed. He went there thirty times. He was a

768
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:30,360
fellow at a Chai Coom university, visiting fellow. He had

769
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,519
a lot of ties to China. And now, by the way,

770
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,079
where was where was all their vetting on all the

771
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,719
fraud and everything else he's probably been involved in. Do

772
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you think they asked him if he was a Chinese spy?

773
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Speaker 2: No, but I don't know.

774
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Speaker 1: I doubt it very highly.

775
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Speaker 2: Now.

776
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Speaker 1: The reason supposedly that they asked Shapiro whether he was

777
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an Israeli agent. Guy's been in government forever. Is this?

778
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,719
But he had when he was a kid, he went

779
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,679
to a kibbutz and learned there, and there was IDF there,

780
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,119
and he had done something with the IDF. Like supposedly

781
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,519
this was the impetus for it. I don't know looking

782
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,840
at what was going on in the summer of twenty

783
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,119
twenty four within the Democratic Party, the pro Haamas faction,

784
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,199
that they were scared to insult the other questions they

785
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,280
supposedly asked him. I think it's if someone asked me, well,

786
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,400
this is why I'm mad at him. If someone asked

787
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,559
me if I was a trader, I would not go

788
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,239
campaign for them after I would speak up for myself.

789
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,599
He said nothing until now when he can make some money.

790
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But I don't know.

791
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Speaker 3: Well, Republicans should think they're stars that he was not

792
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,079
chosen because he would have been much more difficult to

793
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,599
be Maybe Trump would have won no matter what, probably so,

794
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,440
but he would have been more difficult.

795
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Speaker 2: I wondered if you saw that. I think it was

796
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,480
last week.

797
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Speaker 3: Within a few hours, all sorts of leaders on the

798
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,639
progressive left started tweeting against anti Semitism. Yeah, and I

799
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,320
had to imagine that they just like brought everybody into

800
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,400
a room and said, here's the polling. You're going to

801
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,599
say something right now. You got to do it, like

802
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:21,159
we have got to change this image of the Democrat

803
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,079
Party as embracing antisemites. Did you see that or no,

804
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:26,199
like AOC one of the.

805
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:29,159
Speaker 1: People, Yeah, I mean, because the wording was almost exactly

806
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,519
the same on all those tweets. It's obviously that some

807
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,719
group told them to do it. They probably see what's

808
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,840
going on with some of the people, you know, and

809
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,400
I hate to call them far right, because I don't

810
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,639
even think that that's the true. But these podcasters that

811
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,639
are popular now and they want to make you know,

812
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,119
the juxtaposition would be it's difficult for them to try

813
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:53,159
to hang those people on the Republican Party or tether

814
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,920
them together if they themselves are acting a certain way.

815
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,800
But for me, the Democrat Democratic Party is still far

816
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960
because they've elected officials who act in this way. Not

817
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:08,000
just a podcast or for young people gonna it's gonna

818
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,800
be crazy, let's talk. Do you want to talk about

819
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,079
culture now or do we have anything else you do? Oh,

820
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,079
it's the excitement there. What what'd you watch? So?

821
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Speaker 3: First off, I just wanted to say, because I was

822
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,440
thinking about it at the start of the new year,

823
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,599
that we have so many generous donors at the Federalist

824
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,119
and a lot of listeners even of this podcast, who

825
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:35,440
came through end of year giving gifts, becoming monthly givers,

826
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,159
and it means so much to us, and we are

827
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,320
able to We're able to accomplish a lot through that generosity.

828
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And I just want to thank those who have joined

829
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with us and encourage anyone who has not yet joined

830
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with us.

831
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Speaker 2: To do so. It is greatly appreciated. That has nothing

832
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:52,320
to do with culture.

833
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,519
Speaker 3: So I will also tell you I forgot last week

834
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,519
to tell you about a movie I had watched the

835
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,400
previous week. Okay again, and I should say, which is

836
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Umbrellas of Schrberg.

837
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Speaker 2: Schuurburg. Is that how you're saying it?

838
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know this movie nineteen sixty four,

839
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,000
I think one.

840
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Speaker 3: Of the most famous movies out there. It's a musical,

841
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:18,719
but it's French. The cinematography is unbelievable. Like I would

842
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,599
just like to have it on in the background all

843
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,119
the time. You just look at any shot, and the

844
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:28,920
shot is composed perfectly, and Catherine Deneuve is in it.

845
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: You've not seen it.

846
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,559
Speaker 1: I have not seen it.

847
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I.

848
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 3: Mean it's a musical, so I'm not like going to

849
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,880
encourage you to necessarily want wow.

850
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,119
Speaker 2: Just feel about that.

851
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,039
Speaker 1: Just pulling it up on the internets here it is

852
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,360
obviously has been. It was nominated for five Academy Awards.

853
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,000
It's considered like one of the great films of all time.

854
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,039
I don't even think I have ever heard of this movie,

855
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
which is weird because I'm really into film and movies,

856
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:59,519
so I will probably go watch it even though.

857
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,679
Speaker 3: It's Yeah, Catherine de Nube is great in it, but

858
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,280
my favorite was the woman playing her mother, Anne Vernon,

859
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,800
who just turned one hundred and two. This and it's

860
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,960
a love story of a sort that is so you know,

861
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:22,159
just like touching, like I keep thinking about it about

862
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:23,559
the complexity of love.

863
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Speaker 2: And again it's all sung.

864
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Speaker 3: And then it also who did the the score? You

865
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,840
will know the the song. I think it's I Will

866
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,840
Wait for You because it's been recorded by many many artists.

867
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Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, so that was good.

868
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Speaker 3: I would I would just recommend it, Okay, and then

869
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,039
I have seen a bunch of other stuff in the

870
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last week as well. I saw I rewatched Room with

871
00:50:58,519 --> 00:50:58,920
a View.

872
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I saw that years and years ago, so.

873
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: I liked it a lot.

874
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: I thought it was well done, although I definitely have

875
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,960
that problem like the older I get, the more movies

876
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,599
fail to work with me because I start siding with

877
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:19,679
the wrong people, you know, like how young love is

878
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:20,760
frequently so stupid.

879
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: You're just like, these people are stupid.

880
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: Like Romeo and Juliet. When you're a teenager reading it,

881
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,000
it's very different when you're an adult and you're like,

882
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,039
oh gosh, get it together, guys.

883
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,519
Speaker 2: And I felt a little bit that way with Room

884
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,079
with a View. Who's the guy that was in my left.

885
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: Foot, Daniel d Lewis.

886
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: He's in this movie as a very young, like evil guy,

887
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
but I was like, maybe she should have gone with

888
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,800
him instead of so the other.

889
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,199
Speaker 1: Guy, of course, of course should have.

890
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Speaker 3: And there's a scene that is the only scene I

891
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,559
remember from when I watched it when I was a

892
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:04,679
teenager for understandable reasons, where three men are enjoying a

893
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,639
swim naked and things are just flopping everywhere, and Mark

894
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,280
was like this is ridiculous. It's just ridiculous to see

895
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,360
this many naked parts on men just flopping around and

896
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,320
it's not sexualized or anything. It's just they're playing in

897
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,159
a spring. But it was kind of like, Okay, here

898
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,239
we go, and.

899
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: Men are always getting naked and jumping into springs together.

900
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: I was park but it's not really sexualized. And he's

901
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,440
like Molly anytime. He's like, maybe in UK and we know,

902
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,079
like all we need to know about their boarding school system.

903
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,320
He's like, let me tell you, in America, men don't

904
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,599
get naked and wrestle each other, Like just not.

905
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: What we do. We're quite puritanical in that sense for sure.

906
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 3: And then we watched a Netflix movie that I can

907
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,679
actually recommend, I think the first time I can truly

908
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,400
give a recommendation for a Netflix movie. And I can't

909
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,559
remember what it's called, but I think it's called The Cut,

910
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,039
and it's with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.

911
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,039
Speaker 1: It is not called the it is not called The Cut.

912
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:17,559
It is called The Rip. And uh, it's okay, you

913
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,480
like that movie. I did not like it, oh really really.

914
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,079
There are a number of reasons. The whole one is

915
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:30,199
it felt like, uh, like an expensive episode of like

916
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,679
Law and Order or something like. And but more than that,

917
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,960
the implausibility. First of all, I just found it in

918
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,079
the whole story is just ridiculously implausible. I don't want

919
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,920
to give it. I'm going to give away some of it,

920
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,000
but that the cops show up and that no, there's

921
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,280
no backup and they have to kind of like it's

922
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,719
Ford Apatche the Bronx there and they have to fight

923
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,239
off all these other forces. It's just kind of it

924
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,480
just never bought it. But more than that, I just

925
00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:01,320
felt like, I actually don't dislike Matt Damon and Ben Affleck,

926
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,320
and I just didn't feel like it just didn't feel

927
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,239
like there was much acting there in a way, there

928
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,880
was no real I don't know, it just it bored

929
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,119
me kind of. I don't know, why'd you like it?

930
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,639
I know it's gotten good reviews, so I'm probably on

931
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:19,719
the outside here, but.

932
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Speaker 3: Well, I just enjoyed. Yeah, I thought it was I

933
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,639
don't know, I just thought it was pretty good. Like

934
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,800
it's a mystery what's going on or what do you

935
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,440
call it? Kind of a mystery?

936
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: There is a thriller.

937
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:46,119
Speaker 3: Things aren't as they seem and you don't know who

938
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:46,960
to trust.

939
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:48,199
Speaker 2: You don't know who.

940
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: The good guys or the bad guys are, and I

941
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,320
I'm going to talk about another thing I saw where

942
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,000
that was not really the case, although there was finally

943
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,360
an ultimate twist, I guess, And I just like it

944
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
when you're kind of like, I'm not sure exactly what's

945
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,760
going on and I'd like to figure it out.

946
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it wasn't it was. It was okay,

947
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,400
I guess. I just maybe my expectations were higher because

948
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,159
people were saying how good it was. I don't know.

949
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: Likewise, maybe my expectations were extremely low. I was like,

950
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,880
Netflix movie, I did do such a horrible job, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not worth it. And then I was like, oh, I'm

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kind of into this. So there's that.

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Speaker 3: And it was also fun to see Matt Damon and

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Ben Affleck together. I have a friend who worked with

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them on a project. And like many, this is like

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twenty five years ago, and at the time, Matt Damon

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was seen as the brilliant one and Ben Affleck is

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kind of a cute, good looking but stupid one. And

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she had said that's not entirely accurate, like Ben Affleck

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is brilliant for.

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Speaker 1: What did you ever see the family Guy thing where

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it depands to met Matt Damon. He's type in a

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way writing goodwill hunting and Ben Affleck's just smoking a joint,

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laying on the couch and it goes, why don't you

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throw that my name on that thing? That's how people

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viewed it. But when I saw you know, longer interviews

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with them, it's clear that Ben Affleck is kind of

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maybe even a more creative force. Like I think Ben

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Affleck is a very good director. I've liked the movies

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he's directed quite a bit. I find him as an actor,

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though I think Matt Damon's probably a better actor. I

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just think Matt Damon has more range as an actor.

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But I don't know, I don't think about it too deeply.

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What else?

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Speaker 3: And then my final thing is that we watched the

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limited series seven Dials.

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Speaker 1: Oh the Agatha Christie.

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Speaker 2: Thing so Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's one of Agatha Christie's lesser works and

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they do a really good job with it. Like I

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thought it looked great, really enjoyed the lead actress in it.

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It was scary in part, you know, it was violent

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parts in all the good Agatha Christie ways, and but

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I didn't like how it was like so obvious what

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was going on for the longest time. There was a

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little bit of a twist at the end, but not

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enough to satisfy the who done it? The lack of

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a who done it? Because you know who did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been debating whether to watch that or not.

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But you think it's like on the whole Worth scene,

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I do, okay, O love but I.

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Speaker 3: Guess it was Helen and Bottom Carter weekend or whatever

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because I do.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was in a room with a view, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like how unique she is in her approach and

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how that's worked for her for so long.

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Speaker 1: She's great, she's never boring to watch. I mean, she

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was in like Fight Club I remember, right, and she was,

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but she was also in The Queen like she Yeah,

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she's great.

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Speaker 2: She got range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are those people who like everyone loves Meryl Streep,

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but to me, she's always Meryl Streep in whatever she does.

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Speaker 2: And I kind of like that. Helen A. Bottom Carter

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just's talented.

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Speaker 1: Yep. I the only thing other than the Rip that

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I watch I've been I've been binging this show that's

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old called The Closer that I saw on Netflix with

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Kira Sedgwick, Kevin Bacon's wife, and I like it. I

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think I would. Each episode has not every episode, but

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many of the episodes are quite well done as far

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as a murder, you know, procedural murder mystery thing goes.

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It's nothing revolutionary here, but she's good and the show's

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pretty good, and I've been binge watching it. I hate

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when I get pulled into something like that. I'm like,

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how many seasons are there? Oh? Seven? I come in

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it for seven seasons. Anyway. If you'd like to reach

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the show, please do so at radio at the Federalist

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will be back next week. Until them be lovers of

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freedom and anxious for the fray.

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Speaker 4: Fit ex forever.

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Speaker 2: I will wait for you.

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Speaker 1: For a thous and summers.

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