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<v Speaker 1>The Golden Age of serial murders was a span of

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<v Speaker 1>forty years when murder ran rampant through the United States

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<v Speaker 1>of America with the likes of prolific killers and cold

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<v Speaker 1>case murders. Today we cover a case known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Lady of the Dunes, which is a cold case from

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Age in nineteen seventy four, which gained some

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<v Speaker 1>new life in twenty twenty two when her identity was

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<v Speaker 1>finally uncovered. My name's Ben and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast. The following podcasts and material

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<v Speaker 1>intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. We're

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<v Speaker 1>recording in the morning this time instead of late at night.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going. Good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's no beer opening or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess no, I don't even have coffee this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's just tea.

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<v Speaker 2>We're tea slurping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm out of coffee officially ran out yesterday. Had

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a panic attack. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the tea's actually doing the job, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what a terrible day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I don't drink the coffee for the caffeine.

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<v Speaker 1>I drink it for that warm hug feeling in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the tea is it's sufficing. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it would day after day, but it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely sufficing. It can fill that voice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's doing the trick for the day. Hey, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going out later, so I'll get you some more coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate that. Thank you. That's what marriage is about you

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<v Speaker 1>out of coffee. I got your back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it's also for myself too, right, what what

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<v Speaker 2>because lots of times they say like coffee wakes you

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<v Speaker 2>up and makes you in a better mood and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm doing it for myself too. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you meant like the part of marriage was

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<v Speaker 1>for you specifically. I was like, okay, yeah, and generally

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<v Speaker 1>people get something out of marriage. I would think there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be something for you in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think so too. Yeah. Wow, Holy I love

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<v Speaker 2>what you took that so differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm a little bit slow this morning. It's freaking

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<v Speaker 1>daylight savings time, like two days ago or one day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when was it Saturday? Saturday? Well, technically Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning or early Sunday morning. Yeah, isn't it like two.

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<v Speaker 1>In the morning in the morning. Yeah, I hate daylight

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<v Speaker 1>savings time. It's the most It's the dumbest thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. In my opinion. I think it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's probably not necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>They talk all like every year. I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a discussion about, you know, not having it anymore, but

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<v Speaker 2>well there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are places that don't have it across Canada and the

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<v Speaker 1>States even.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I don't know. I just it is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I feel like I don't even worry about

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<v Speaker 2>because I can't change it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, touche too shape. I just think it's absurd. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have enough light at this portion of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to give you light at that portion

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. But in order to do so, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take it away from this part of the

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<v Speaker 1>day because we can't just extend it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and especially if you have kids and stuff like,

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<v Speaker 2>it messes it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. It's like, just schedules and let people have

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<v Speaker 1>their natural cycle. Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my view of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a pretty common view.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. Anyways, we got to say thank

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<v Speaker 1>some patrons who support the show. So this week we

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<v Speaker 1>had a few awesome people sign up and I'm probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to butcher their names, but I am going to

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<v Speaker 1>try my best. So here we go. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much to Laurie de Laurentis, Jessica Smith, Paul Montoya, and

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Supernat. So thank you very much to all of

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<v Speaker 1>you for signing up on Patreon, supporting the show and

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<v Speaker 1>being here and listening and just being freaking on Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, thank you so freaking much, freaking much

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<v Speaker 2>freaking and us speaking of Patreon, this case comes from

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon today. It does. Yeah, they get a lot to say,

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<v Speaker 2>Actually they do in cases that we end up choosing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did ah give us some recommendations on the

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<v Speaker 1>last Patreon case, and so they put out a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of recommendations and we took like, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the top four that kind of peaked our interest. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we did a poll voting on Patreon and the

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<v Speaker 1>top one was the Patreon episode exclusive, the exclusive one

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<v Speaker 1>for the month that we did. But this one was

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<v Speaker 1>number two in that voting poll and it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>piqued my interest. So that's what we're doing today.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing it too.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even tell the patrons that this this was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the case until, like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like last night when.

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<v Speaker 2>We were going to bed something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they only knew that this was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be their recommendation on this case just slightly before you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they seemed so stoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Were stoked. I'm stoked on it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. It sounds very interesting. I mean your intro. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it is. It's a cold case from back in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies that there was literally no trail. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be honest with you right now, this case there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a whole lot of information because the trail was

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<v Speaker 1>just so cold for so long. Okay, So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all it is. So yeah, we're going to dive into

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<v Speaker 1>this cold case and how it actually got it. Its

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<v Speaker 1>a breath of life metaphorically speaking in twenty twenty two. Okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So on July twenty sixth, nineteen seventy four, a little

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old girl was out on a mission. She's

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<v Speaker 1>running after her barking dog in Race Point Dunes, in Provincetown, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure many people have been there before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>chasing after your dog gets off the leash, or the

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<v Speaker 1>leash gets yanked out of your hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, And the dog's just like what yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how much you call its name, it, she

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<v Speaker 1>just goes and goes and goes, probably chasing a squirrel

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But that's exactly a situation for this little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going after her dog who is not listening to

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<v Speaker 1>her whatsoever and just taken off. So the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>is something was different. Soon this little girl would find

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<v Speaker 1>her dog would stop and allow her to catch up.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog was now distracted intensely sniffing, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>girl approached. In that moment, things took a very dark

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<v Speaker 1>turn as this little twelve year old girl realized she

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<v Speaker 1>was now looking at the remains of a human body

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<v Speaker 1>where her dog now stood.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh no, hey A, I mean, finding a body

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<v Speaker 2>is horrible, but a little twelve year old girl finding

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<v Speaker 2>a body, I know, I don't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>We Actually, we just had a case a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>cases ago, the case with Bussy McLean who murdered his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were parts strewn about the trash and the

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<v Speaker 1>dog found those parts as well. Yeah, so we had

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<v Speaker 1>a case just like this not long ago. And you

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<v Speaker 1>said that was like a fear of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean just running across a body. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like, I mean, it would be traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what age you are, but a twelve year old,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess the trauma would last with you

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think adults are generally speaking more adapt to

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<v Speaker 1>handle trauma. Not that they are necessarily able to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the better, but we're more adapt to I think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You know, we're not It couldn't impact us

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<v Speaker 1>as hard. Maybe I don't know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean also, a twelve year old may not

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<v Speaker 2>even I mean, they would know what death is, but

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<v Speaker 2>they may not, you know, know what it is to

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<v Speaker 2>the extent that like an adult would right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or understand why someone could do that, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not really fully understand murder. Death. I could probably understand

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old understanding that murder might be a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a different concept.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's too young of an age to know that

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<v Speaker 2>the world shit, yeah right, it's really the ultimate thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, authorities though regardless of this, little girl were

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<v Speaker 1>notified immediately and they quickly began their investigation at the scene. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the body that was found was that of a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who is estimated to be between the ages of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five and forty years old. There were some reports at

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<v Speaker 1>saying that she could be even as young as twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and upwards of even forty five years old, but generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>the consensus was between twenty five and forty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quite arranged.

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<v Speaker 1>It is quite a range. And you'll understand why here

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment, because her body was giving off a

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<v Speaker 1>very horrible odor as investigators did their work, because she

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<v Speaker 1>was very badly decomposed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that's kind of what I figured.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there was a very apparently significant insect activity

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<v Speaker 1>on her body. Nice, which this actually helps give a

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<v Speaker 1>timeline to her death as they can actually estimate based

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<v Speaker 1>off the type of insects present at the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>on the remains, and not only that, but how far

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<v Speaker 1>along their life cycles is. So they're like, Okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>this insect is here and it's in this stage of life,

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<v Speaker 1>then we can estimate that it's the body's been here

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<v Speaker 1>for Okay, this amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I knew that they would use the insects to

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<v Speaker 2>their advantage, but you forget about that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I learned that one in like CSI way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. Yeah, yeah, back when we were

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<v Speaker 1>probably like, I don't know, twenty one years old watching

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<v Speaker 1>CSI on our weekends. Good times. In this case, though,

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<v Speaker 1>it was estimated that she would have been deceased for

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<v Speaker 1>approximately two weeks. Okay, yeah, so she's been in this

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<v Speaker 1>spot decomposing for the last two weeks. The woman had

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<v Speaker 1>long red hair that was pulled back into a ponytail.

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<v Speaker 1>Under her head was a pair of Wrangler jeans and

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<v Speaker 1>a blue bandana. She had pink nail polish on her

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<v Speaker 1>toes and was laying on a blanket. Though she was

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<v Speaker 1>nearly decapitated from a reported extremely brutal strangling, her cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death was instead from blunt force trauma to the

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<v Speaker 1>side of her head. Reported that the weapons was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was suspected to be such as a shovel or

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<v Speaker 1>a entrenching tool, which is kind of like a really

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<v Speaker 1>big like pickaxe almost. It's like a pick axe with

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<v Speaker 1>like a shovel end, so it's like you can swing

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<v Speaker 1>in like dig trenches in the war or whatever sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Okay, so it's something along those lines could

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<v Speaker 1>have been used to deliver that final blow to the

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<v Speaker 1>side of her head. Now, strangely enough, though, there were

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no signs of struggle present, which includes no defensive wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was evidence that sexual assault took place. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So with those two things in mind, no defensive wounds

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<v Speaker 1>and sexual assault took place. So does that mean it

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<v Speaker 1>was post It was most likely that this occurred post mortem.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh, it's so terrible because it just like

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<v Speaker 2>it almost just sounds like that you're describing this beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>and then you go deeper and like her head's almost decapitated.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just, oh yeah, it's a good way to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that whole like she's laying peacefully on

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<v Speaker 1>the blanket sort of thing that actually plays a rather

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<v Speaker 1>big role in this. And like, I mean, honestly, everything

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<v Speaker 1>you really break it down, like, for example, the post

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's almost it's of someone that she probably knew,

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly how There was reportedly some sort of impression in

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<v Speaker 1>but most likely how they were looking at it. The

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, Okay, that's terrible, it is, I mean, but

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck? They say, Well, there's a reason why

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<v Speaker 2>the main suspect is always the significant other, the partner. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's usually someone in the most immediate family. Like

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<v Speaker 1>a child goes missing, it's you know, the parents, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, parents go missing, it's the children, or

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<v Speaker 1>It's immediate family. Yeah, and it's usually nine times out

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<v Speaker 1>of time, I think pretty spot on an estimate. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, now,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the most likely scenario that she did know

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<v Speaker 1>the attacker and that she was asleep when the assault

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<v Speaker 2>Then took the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. One of the biggest details about the remains that

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<v Speaker 1>were found, however, I've yet to mention both her hands

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<v Speaker 1>and several of her teeth had been removed and were missing.

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<v Speaker 1>She had no hands on her body, they were cut

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<v Speaker 1>and multiple teeth were pulled from her mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It appeared as if whoever had committed this horrific crime

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<v Speaker 1>did not want the authorities to identify the remains that

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<v Speaker 1>they had just found, taking away dental impressions and fingerprints alike.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you want to know something ridiculous? Is apparently

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't woken up whatsoever, because I didn't even think yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually kind of waiting for you to chime

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<v Speaker 1>in and say it, but you didn't. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>got to read my script and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>oh that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the worst. I was like, oh, that's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>In my head, and then oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why taking away her identity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that makes sense, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is exactly why this case was cold for.

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<v Speaker 2>So long, because then no idea who the fuck she was?

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<v Speaker 1>You bet you now. An autopsy revealed both the cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death and the sexual assault that took place post mortem,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also revealed her last meal, a burger and fries,

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<v Speaker 1>which could potentially be a useful piece of information when

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<v Speaker 1>trying to piece together her last steps before the assault. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>other than this and two sets of footprints that were

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<v Speaker 1>found leading away from the crime scene and a set

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<v Speaker 1>of tire tracks, investigators didn't have a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information to go on to identify the woman or what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They began trying to run license plate numbers for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who had visited the park around the time in the

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<v Speaker 1>woman's murder. It unfortunately didn't help them identifying her at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no record of her or who they

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<v Speaker 1>thought she could have been arriving in the area. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're going through these records. No one matches a missing

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<v Speaker 1>person's report, no one matches the description of her. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just simply she has no record of being in this area.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now brought up the possibility that her body

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<v Speaker 1>may have been dumped here after being killed somewhere else. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we do know many of these things happened post mortem, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is a possibility she was killed somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 1>dumped here the post mortem things occurred in this spot

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<v Speaker 1>and then the killer left.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that could very well be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if that is the case, it only complicates

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<v Speaker 1>the matter further because now they may not have a

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene even Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, gosh, I feel like solving a murder

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<v Speaker 2>is hard enough, and then this just makes it tenfold.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and this person whoever committed this is doing all

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<v Speaker 1>this on purpose to ensure that they don't get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>They had this plan, which is just so disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. She was buried three months later in October of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, after the case went cold. She was

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<v Speaker 1>buried as a Jane Doe in Saint Peter's Cemetery near

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<v Speaker 1>the center of town. Her grave held a small stone

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<v Speaker 1>headstone with the words that read quote unidentified female body

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<v Speaker 1>found Race Point Dunes, July twenty sixth, nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I hate that I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I don't think anyone should have on

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<v Speaker 1>their their headstone, but in the very least, at least

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<v Speaker 1>you do have a final resting place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's nice that they do give them that.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh yeah, I mean someone would have had to

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<v Speaker 2>loved her and knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Her, oh for sure. It's just who and where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>And where did she come from? That's the only question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I guess technically she could even be from

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<v Speaker 2>another area of like the country. She could she could be.

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<v Speaker 1>From another country. Yeah, we have no clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, despite the short time period that had passed at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, police did not give up easily. They poured

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<v Speaker 1>over thousands of missing persons cases and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>already mentioned vehicles, the information on what had gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the area in the time for death, and no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what they did, it seemed like they just could not

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<v Speaker 1>get any leads, no matches, know nothing. There was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>that they could find. No other evidence was found despite

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<v Speaker 1>consistent revisits and searching through the surrounding area where she

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<v Speaker 1>was initially discovered. So even though that they can't find anything, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what if we go back and maybe we could find

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<v Speaker 1>something else. Consistently they're doing this and they just can't

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<v Speaker 1>find any more information. They can't get a lead, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't get any farther ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it sounds like they're not giving up though, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do not really love.

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<v Speaker 1>That they are not giving up, and it is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the case was cold, it didn't mean investigators even

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<v Speaker 1>forgot about her. A few years later had passed by,

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<v Speaker 1>and still they wanted to find who she was. They

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<v Speaker 1>were certain that if they could find her identity, they

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<v Speaker 1>could find who killed her. In nineteen seventy nine, they

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<v Speaker 1>took the skull of the Jane Doe, which was not

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<v Speaker 1>buried with her body, because in hopes that it would

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<v Speaker 1>you know, help identifying her, okay, and they did a

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<v Speaker 1>clay facial reconstruction of what she may look like. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty her remains were also unearthed and hopes to

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<v Speaker 1>collect any missing possible evidence and obtain a DNA sample. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of their attempts, there were no advancements in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually shocked that they're just I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that happens, Like you know, they half close the

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<v Speaker 2>case for lack of evidence, but it's still ongoing. But

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems like they're really you know, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>affected them and they want this solved. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they definitely do. And I don't think they were

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<v Speaker 1>they ever closed this case. It was just left open

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<v Speaker 1>as a cold case. Okay when they when they close

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<v Speaker 1>the case, I'm pretty sure it generally doesn't get reopen

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. It's like, yeah, this isn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>get solved sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean there's I could be wrong, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's this asshole running around that they that needs to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, be in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely I can agree with you on that one. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a few leads that investigators had looked into,

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<v Speaker 1>and including in nineteen eighty seven when a Canadian woman

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly told a friend that she saw her father strangle

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in Massachusetts around nineteen seventy two. Police attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to locate this woman, but unfortunately they were unsuccessful. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, Okay, why the fuck would

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<v Speaker 1>you not come forward if you saw someone strangle someone sooner?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, unless you there's many reasons, right, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you were like afraid or something, but yeah, for any reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but not many excuses. Yeah, I don't know good reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand, because if you think that you're you

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<v Speaker 1>yourself are a danger, I totally get it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But also this to me just sounds like she's having

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<v Speaker 1>a passing conversation with like a friend at a nail

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<v Speaker 1>slawan sort of situation. Oh this one time, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>my dad strangled this check. And it's like, why is

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<v Speaker 1>this such a casual conversation for you right now? That's

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<v Speaker 1>the impression I get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it should not be a casual, yeah, conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a casual conversation, you should have loved already

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<v Speaker 1>have gone to the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the police should definitely have already known, because.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have, like we already talked about an excuse

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<v Speaker 1>or a reason why you're not doing it, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>having a casual conversation about Yeah. So, regardless of the

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<v Speaker 1>police could not attempt this woman, and there is a

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<v Speaker 1>possibility that it was even.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a rumor, so oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Another woman claimed that the reconstruction of the victim looked

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<v Speaker 1>like her sister who had disappeared in Boston in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, But no luck. Okay, investigators also followed a

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<v Speaker 1>lead involving a missing criminal, Rory gene Kessinger, and other

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<v Speaker 1>missing women. However, all of them were ruled out. No

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<v Speaker 1>matter who they looked into, no matter what lead they

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<v Speaker 1>did have, they still found themselves with a mystery and

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<v Speaker 1>a cold case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's just no smoking gun, hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it remained a mystery for years to come,

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<v Speaker 1>like despite her body being exhumed two more times.

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<v Speaker 2>For sample more time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, once in two thousand and another in twenty thirteen. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>during this time, her skull sat on the desk of

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<v Speaker 1>Provincetown Police Chief. The police chief, it was sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>as a reminder of the case that they have yet

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<v Speaker 2>Good God.

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<v Speaker 1>And in twenty ten, the skull was scanned for a

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<v Speaker 1>computer generated facial reconstruction. This time even still, the case

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<v Speaker 1>remained cold, just as it was since the day arrived

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<v Speaker 1>on their desk her first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Wow, I can't believe just how how much they're

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<v Speaker 2>not giving up on this, Like the skull is just

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<v Speaker 2>there as a daily reminder, yeah, that this is not solved,

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<v Speaker 2>and like we got to find this person.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wow. Like at first when I read that that

426
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<v Speaker 1>the skull was just sitting on the police chief's desk.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Like when I say it's a daily reminder, that's my words.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Because at first I was like, well, that's kind of

429
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<v Speaker 1>almost disrespectful sort of thing, right, Like why would you

430
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<v Speaker 1>do that? But also in the same sense, I've got

431
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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a morbid curiosity, and I would love

432
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<v Speaker 1>to own a human skull because I would love to

433
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<v Speaker 1>take care of it.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's where that conversation came from. Yes, yes, well

435
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Ben was researching this. He's like, hey, would you want

436
00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.759
<v Speaker 2>to own a human soul? It's like that's so random,

437
00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:06.519
<v Speaker 2>And also.

438
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, well, I I would love to

439
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<v Speaker 1>have it for the fact that it's, hey, it's could

440
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.599
<v Speaker 1>be a beautiful piece. It's like beauty after death sort

441
00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.279
<v Speaker 1>of thing, right, And it's like I feel like, if

442
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<v Speaker 1>you respect that piece of that person and you still

443
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<v Speaker 1>like let them rest and you take care of them,

444
00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it could be a beautiful thing sort of thing.

445
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<v Speaker 1>And then I kind of got thinking about that in

446
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<v Speaker 1>this police chief police chief sense, I'm like, okay, well,

447
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:32.799
<v Speaker 1>what if he's not just like, oh, it's a it's

448
00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.680
<v Speaker 1>a fucking paperweight, right, what if he does have a

449
00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.319
<v Speaker 1>reason for keeping it. And what better reason for a

450
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<v Speaker 1>police chief to keep a skull on the desk like

451
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<v Speaker 1>that would be for a simple reminder to say, we

452
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<v Speaker 1>got to solve this and you got to find out

453
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<v Speaker 1>who this person is, not only for us, but for

454
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<v Speaker 1>her so she can rest totally.

455
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<v Speaker 2>And it also, I feel like is kind of a

456
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<v Speaker 2>symbol of why they do the job too. Like it

457
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. It represents her, but it also just represents

458
00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's that one case that got away, but

459
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<v Speaker 2>also you know, we're here for this reason and like

460
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:09.839
<v Speaker 2>we're protecting people and like solving unimaginable things that happened

461
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<v Speaker 2>to them.

462
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we honestly, we could talk about the skull and

463
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.599
<v Speaker 1>being on his desk for I could go on for

464
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<v Speaker 1>hours about this because it is a fascinating topic to me.

465
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<v Speaker 1>But my best guess it was there for that reminder.

466
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<v Speaker 1>It was there, as you said, to represent, you know,

467
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.920
<v Speaker 1>what they're there for, and that's where the skull sat.

468
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>And because of that they were able to use it

469
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<v Speaker 1>and make a computer generated reconstruction as well. Now it

470
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<v Speaker 1>would take another five years until the next lead came in.

471
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<v Speaker 1>In August of twenty fifteen, there was talk of an

472
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<v Speaker 1>unidentified woman that might have been an extra in the

473
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<v Speaker 1>famous movie Jaws. You know the shark movie right, which

474
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<v Speaker 1>was filmed in nineteen seventy four in Martha's Vineyard, not

475
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<v Speaker 1>too far from where the woman's body was found, only

476
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred miles away now. Joe Hill, the son

477
00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of the writer Stephen King Jaws, brought this idea to

478
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the attention of the police because he noticed a woman

479
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Speaker 1>in the movie's beach scene who resembled the description of

480
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<v Speaker 1>the lady in The Lady of the Dunes. Now. She

481
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>was wearing a blue bandana and jenes very similar to

482
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the ones found with the body. Really, yes, now, it

483
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>was a very interesting lead to some others dismissed it

484
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.720
<v Speaker 1>right away, but ultimately it would not lead to identifying

485
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the woman, just like any of the other leads before it.

486
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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty two, the skeletal remains of Jane Doe

487
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>were sent off to AUTHOROM for analysis. Using new age

488
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>advanced DNA technology. They created a DNA profile from the remains,

489
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:44.640
<v Speaker 1>which were then used to find distant relatives through a

490
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>process called genetic genealogy, which combines DNA testing with traditional genealogy.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Research the same way how the Golden State killer was identified.

492
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<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, they were finally able to find the

493
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<v Speaker 1>identity of the Lady of the Dunes.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Okay, I mean this is cool because

495
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it's like they almost knew that technology would advance, right,

496
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're keeping her well. They had to exhume her

497
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple times. When it sucks, but this is good.

498
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's good. They held out hope, They did not

499
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>give up, and like you say, they were just waiting

500
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>for the moment when they had the break in the case. Yeah,

501
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and this is where it comes. So on October thirty first,

502
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<v Speaker 1>on Halloween of twenty twenty two, the FBI office in

503
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<v Speaker 1>Boston released a public statement that revealed that the victim

504
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.400
<v Speaker 1>was a woman by the name of Ruth Marie Terry.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Ruth okay so.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Ruth Terry was born on September eighth, nineteen thirty six,

507
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<v Speaker 1>in Whitwell, Tennessee, to John and Eva Terry. In nineteen

508
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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven, Ruth lived left Whitwell after a short lived

509
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>marriage and found work as a Fisher Body automotive sorry

510
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<v Speaker 1>at the Fisher Body Automotive Plant in Livnona, Michigan. The

511
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.480
<v Speaker 1>following year, she gave birth to her son, Richard. However,

512
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>facing financial struggles, Ruth made the difficult decision to allow

513
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>her workplace superintendent to adopt her son, and after the adoption,

514
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Ruth had moved to California. On February sixteenth, nineteen seventy four,

515
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Ruth would marry a man by the name of Guy

516
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell Maudivin, who was an antiques dealer in Reno, Nevada.

517
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<v Speaker 1>Four months before her death, the couple visited Ruth's family

518
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<v Speaker 1>in Whitwell. Ruth's grand niece, Brittany, later recalled that Ruth

519
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>seemed different whenever she was with Guy, who seemed to

520
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>display apparent possessive behavior. After visiting family, Ruth and Guy

521
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>mentioned plans to travel across the US in search of

522
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.880
<v Speaker 1>antiques because he is an antic dealer, right including stops

523
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 1>in Massachusetts. In late summer that same year, Guy returned

524
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<v Speaker 1>to Tennessee alone and informed Ruth's family that she had

525
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<v Speaker 1>gone missing from her California home. He stayed briefly with

526
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 1>them and claimed not to know where she went. Ruth's brother, James,

527
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>decided to travel to California in search of his sister,

528
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and here he hired a private investigator to find her.

529
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 1>The investigator reported that all of Ruth's belongings had been

530
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>sold and that she had left the state voluntarily, possibly

531
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 1>joining a religious group. So he just spat a whole

532
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>bunch of bullshit. So that shit. Yeah, that private investigator

533
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 1>took their money, made a story up, and walked away

534
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 1>with hyash.

535
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>She didn't even do the fucking job. Correct, that's a

536
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>piss off. Hey, that's the fucking douche canoe in a

537
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>half holy shit. Yeah, And so she didn't even really

538
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 2>get reported as a as a missing person then, or

539
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 2>she was also being reported I guess in a totally

540
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 2>different state, wasn't she. Yeah, she's intendsh okay Okay.

541
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>So over the following years, Ruth was presumed or sorry

542
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>her home was in California, then her family, and then

543
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 1>where she went missing. So it's three different. So over

544
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the following years, though, Ruth was presumed dead, but Ruth's

545
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>sister in law, Jan speculated that Ruth might have been

546
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.599
<v Speaker 1>in a witness protection program unable to contact her family. Now,

547
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>reasoning behind that, I'm not too certain it could have

548
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>been with what the PI told them being you know,

549
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 1>joining a religious group or something like that. Yeah, maybe

550
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 1>things going south, who knows for whatever reason, because those

551
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>groups tend to have some sort of big blowout fallout,

552
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>and then she might have had to leave the group

553
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and then being a protection because against maybe the leader.

554
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I can only speculate what her speculations were.

555
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 1>So when a person goes missing or is murdered, their

556
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 1>family or spouse is always, of course the first suspect

557
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>investigators look at, and in this case it was no different.

558
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>They immediately honed in on Guy who was just.

559
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Fucking living his life, like I uh hate that.

560
00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Guy had a complex history. He was born

561
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>as an orphan and was adopted by Abraham Albert Zawownski

562
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Mudevin and Sylvia Lily Silverbod. He had a brother named

563
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Michael Semyon Jay Mudavin. In nineteen forty two, Guy lived

564
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 1>in New York City and attended the American Academy of

565
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Dramatic Arts. He married Jolene May Eloup on May eleventh

566
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen forty six in Bellevue, Pennsylvania, but they divorced

567
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in July sixteenth of nineteen fifty six. In nineteen fifty eight,

568
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>he remarried a woman by the name of Manzanita Eileen

569
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Mansie Ray in Cootney, Idaho. Manzanita had a daughter named

570
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Deloe's and Mearns from a previous marriage. Both Manzanita and

571
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>her daughter, Delo's, went missing in Seattle on April first

572
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty, with Guy becoming the main suspect. He

573
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>tried to run, but was arrested by the FBI for

574
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>avoiding giving testimony into their deaths. Shortly after, on July

575
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, nineteen sixty, Guy remarried once again, to Everly

576
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Marie Emerson in King County, Washington. He later faced larceny

577
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>charges for cheating his wife's third or sorry, cheating his

578
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>third wife's family out of ten thousand dollars around the

579
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.519
<v Speaker 1>time of his second wife's disappearance. He was convicted in

580
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one, but had his sentence suspended in nineteen

581
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>sixty two on the condition he repaid the money.

582
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I'm still on the wife and the daughter

583
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 2>that went missing, and you've already moved on.

584
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't really move on. Gosh, did not really

585
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>move on, because investigators found human body parts and guy's

586
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>septic tank in nineteen seventy four.

587
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, But.

588
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't prove they were from the missing women or

589
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 1>even tie him to the remains, so he walked free

590
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>from that.

591
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Are you fucking kidding me?

592
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 1>He was also a suspect in the murder of Henry

593
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence red Baard, a bread truck driver, in the disappearance sorry,

594
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and the disappearance of Barbara Joe Kelly, a waitress in

595
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 1>June of nineteen fifty. Barbara went missing and was found

596
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 1>on the beach with a gunshot wound to the head.

597
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>So this guy is a fucking serial killer.

598
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>You could say that, Yeah, yeah, Okay, how.

599
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Many freaking people did he end up killing by the

600
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>time he gets caught.

601
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's speculative because he was never technically tied

602
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to any of those So even saying calling him a

603
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>serial killer is still speculation. No, I'm doing it though,

604
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>totally gets you. I'm on board with you. I just

605
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>playing devil's advocabe I or the facts. It is only speculation.

606
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 1>He was never charged, he was never found guilty, he

607
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>was never prosecuted. He was only a suspect in all

608
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>of those. It's just not being said, I'm with you.

609
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 1>He's a douche canoe. He fucking did it.

610
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>It just pisses me off because it's almost like a

611
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>luck thing like that. He's like a lucky son of

612
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a bitch that just gets away with all these things. Yeah,

613
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>can I have a little bit of that luck for

614
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>something else?

615
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Why what do you want to get away with? What

616
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the fuck?

617
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 2>No? I don't want to get away with anything. I

618
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>just it would be cool if something nice happened. I

619
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>would like some luck in my life that didn't involve

620
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>like luck from killing.

621
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Someone to che to sche I don't know. I feel

622
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>like I have to sleep with one eye open.

623
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. She just doesn't deserve that luck, you know.

624
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah what I'm getting? Okay, I got you, I got

625
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>youa like he just this is just pissing me off.

626
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah.

627
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Well.

628
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Guy eventually moved to California around nineteen seventy six, where

629
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 1>he went into retirement from his job when he was

630
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time working as an executive vice president of

631
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a silver store. He worked at a radio station in

632
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 1>a tobacco shop a little bit there after as well.

633
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Now it was clear to authorities that with his history

634
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and what they had just uncovered now with the relationship

635
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>with Ruth, that he was the man responsible for the murder.

636
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 1>The only problem was they were about twenty years too late.

637
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Guy had passed away in his home on March fourteenth,

638
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two, at the age of seventy eight

639
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>years old, and he was deemed responsible for her murder.

640
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, he is the murderer. He would though he's

641
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 1>passed so he's not convicted technically, but he did it.

642
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>But he is dubbed Ruth's murderer.

643
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 2>When okay, At first, when you said that they were

644
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 2>too late, I was just like, what do you mean,

645
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 2>like that they weren't going to be able to convict

646
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>him or something like.

647
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I was just picked, Well, they're not able to convict him.

648
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>He's dead like you not.

649
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>But like I thought, like he was. They weren't like

650
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>he was going to just continue being like a free man.

651
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<v Speaker 1>Oh I see, well he did though, as you said,

652
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he just got to just live his life. You said

653
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 1>that about like five ten minutes ago. He's just out

654
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 1>there living his life and that's exactly what he did, yes,

655
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>which is horrible.

656
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>But I was thinking that once they figured this out,

657
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that he still just got to continue living his life,

658
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>which would be even more horrible. But it's all just

659
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>a beg of shit. Really, it's just.

660
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 1>A bag of He's a bag of shit.

661
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it all just sucks.

662
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 1>So that is where this story ends. They found the

663
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>lady of the dune's name, they identified her as Ruth.

664
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 1>They found who killed her, and there's no prosecution, There

665
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 1>is no resting easy. The only thing that we can

666
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>really say is is those two things. She's been identified

667
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and so is her killer. But with his history since

668
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four to two thousand and two, it begs

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00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 1>the question, what else could he have done it?

670
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, like how many lives did he take?

671
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

672
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Yikes, Oh you know, that's just gonna make me have

673
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 2>a terrible day. Sorry, my bad, because that is just

674
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>like it's such a piss off really that he just

675
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, we're talking about Ruth here, so like

676
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 2>takes her life and we don't even know much about her.

677
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 2>But for some reason, I just have like this picture

678
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of this like beautiful woman that's just like shines so brightly,

679
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 2>and and like he just takes her life and then yeah,

680
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.559
<v Speaker 2>just gets to live on and keep doing this shit

681
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that I'm sure he kept doing well. Yeah, oh my gosh.

682
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, yeah, I'm gonna bring up Ruth's Wikipedia here

683
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>just so you can see what she did look like.

684
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, do I want to know?

685
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you said that she sounds like she's such a

686
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>beautiful person, and I mean physically she she is very beautiful.

687
00:35:58.760 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't know what she was like as

688
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 1>a human being, but we can at least take a

689
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>look at the photo that they have up of her. Sorry,

690
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 1>if you guys are listening to this, just give a

691
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>quick Google search and you'll find her phone.

692
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh, I mean she's a beautiful smile.

693
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 1>She is a very bright and very beautiful smile.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How old was she when she passed?

695
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Then I would have to do the math. She was

696
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>born in thirty six and passed away in seventy four,

697
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 1>so she was forty two?

698
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Was she?

699
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I believe? No? Thirty seven thirty seven?

700
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, my bad. I was trying to do that math.

701
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>My math. My head is horrible. Math is not my

702
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 1>strong suit. I think we've gone over this before. Yeah,

703
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we're terrible at math.

704
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Well and especially too like now you just like I

705
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 2>almost was like, hey, let me get my calculator, but

706
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You shouldn't need your calculator for that,

707
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess, so I don't know. Huh, that's terrible. Wow.

708
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>She was identified though, and her her gravestone is not

709
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>going to read what it did before, right, which is.

710
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Good, very very good. And it's so like, I feel

711
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>so much effort was put into this case, which is

712
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 2>slightly I don't know the word, but it kind.

713
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Of puts person at ease a little bit. It's almost, Yeah,

714
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>they didn't give up. They kept hope even over decades.

715
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>They were patient, and that right there is what solved it.

716
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>The patience of the investigators, the patients, of passing it

717
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>on to new investigators and everyone being willing and doing

718
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>their job.

719
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.159
<v Speaker 2>And I almost hope. I don't know. I just had

720
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>this picture in my head that like, as they're putting

721
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>this new tombstone on there with her identification, right, that

722
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>people involved in this case are there and there and

723
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 2>they're feeling like they did like a really good job

724
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, gave like the family and stuff closure.

725
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So one thing, and this is this is a speculation.

726
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I couldn't find information on it. But

727
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you when you said, like you picture like everyone laying

728
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>her to rest, I honestly picture the moment that they

729
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>put her skull to rest with the rest of her

730
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 1>remains too.

731
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh whoa ben Okay, I don't know if they did,

732
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but I would assume that they did.

733
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, And I think that would have been the

734
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 1>moment that really put it all together.

735
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Yeah. I was just saying these like last little

736
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 2>ends of this, like what we're picturing and stuff, This

737
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 2>would be like kind of a really good movie.

738
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it would be. It's it's very heartbreaking and it

739
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>would make a good film.

740
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I like, her story just turned into a movie.

741
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>And this freakin' asshole guy, I can't eve remember what

742
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 2>the hell his name was.

743
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we don't need to know.

744
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 2>But him, you know, and like what he's done and

745
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it's quite bizarre that he was able to get away

746
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>with this stuff. But so many douche Canoes are able

747
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>to get away with a lot of things, I think,

748
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 2>which is terrifying.

749
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 1>And such is the world out there. Unfortunately, that's it's

750
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>just the world we live in. It's a scary fucking place.

751
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 2>You would think, though, if they found freaking remains in

752
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>a his septic tank that that could be pinned on him.

753
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I don't I don't know how it wasn't,

754
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't.

755
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well, I mean them, depending how much they were

756
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the bodies were left, there was probably no evidence in stuff, right.

757
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, they couldn't identify DNA or anything clearly because it

758
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>couldn't pin the remains to the missing or link remains

759
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the missing women.

760
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>So you have to wonder if like their hands and

761
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff were removed as well, because he might have had

762
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>a that could have been like his.

763
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>What calling card? Yeah, he could have pulled teeth and

764
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>hands from them too.

765
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and one more thing I just want to state

766
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>is it was very interesting the date that they chose

767
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.119
<v Speaker 2>to release all this information being on Halloween. I know,

768
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I almost feel like it's interesting that they didn't wait

769
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 2>today or or something because that it almost it just

770
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 2>seems like a very interesting day to release it in

771
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>my opinion.

772
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

773
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, good job.

774
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't think to the authorities that releasing it

775
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>on Halloween makes any difference. It's just get the information

776
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>out there. It's just another way.

777
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 2>When they have it ready.

778
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so that is the case of well

779
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Lady of the Dunes, but also Ruth Marie Terry. Yeah,

780
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>so thanks to our patrons, because you guys turned us

781
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 1>onto this case, very interesting one, and I'm glad that

782
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I got to research it, no kidding, And I'm glad

783
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that Ruth got to finally be named and laid to

784
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>rest properly.

785
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's a terrible end, but it's

786
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a good end as well. I mean it's it

787
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>ended the best way it could. It ended the best

788
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.360
<v Speaker 2>way it could after terrible things had happened.

789
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's other things I wish could have happened but didn't, like,

790
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 1>like the douche Canoe actually being prosecuted would have been fantastic.

791
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but well yeah, okay, there's.

792
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Always a silver lining, and we have a silver lining.

793
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Here, a little bit of one. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

794
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening. Hopefully you guys enjoyed

795
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 1>this episode, And if you want to check out more,

796
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 1>you can go ahead in the description of this podcast

797
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 1>where we have all our links, but you got things

798
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like Instagram, Facebook, YouTube or we're really active and Patreon

799
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 1>where you can go get the behind the scenes access

800
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 1>to all the good content. Maybe you can have your

801
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 1>say and what our next episode's going to be, so

802
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>you can go check it out there and if not,

803
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you're listening here, and that means the world twists two,

804
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much.

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00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't tell until next week when it will

806
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 2>be my turn.

807
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I wasn't going to call you on it. Nicole's

808
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 1>finally doing a case next time. She's diving deep, so.

809
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I am reading a book, so about it,

810
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it will be it will be ready next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we're holding you to it. Next week I

812
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>might be doing an episode now, I'm just next week

813
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Nicole will be doing the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So until then, stay wicked,