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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path went Chilling for part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our series about the disappearance of Bob Herod. Robin,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to catch everyone up from what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in our previous episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is an unsolved disappearance involving an elderly man,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one year old Bob Herod, who lived in the

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<v Speaker 2>town of Placentia, California. Bob had been married to his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia for fifty seven years, but she had recently passed

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<v Speaker 2>away and Bob went into a depression. But then he

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<v Speaker 2>was contacted by an old flame of his named Bontel Heater,

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<v Speaker 2>whom he had engaged to be married in nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>but for various reasons, they were forced to separate and

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<v Speaker 2>went off and lived their separate lives. So Bob had

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<v Speaker 2>not heard from Fontel in nearly fifty years, but she

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<v Speaker 2>had become a widow herself her own husband had passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>so she decided to track Bob down and get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with them, and they wound up pre killing the romance.

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<v Speaker 2>It started out as a very sweet story where they

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<v Speaker 2>wound up getting married quickly and Fontel was going to

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<v Speaker 2>move from her hometown of Missouri to Placentia so that

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<v Speaker 2>she and Bob could live together, but shortly before this

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<v Speaker 2>could take place, Bob would vanish without a trace. The

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<v Speaker 2>story goes is that he was fixing up the house

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<v Speaker 2>with his son in law, Jeff Michaels, but then when

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff went to home depot to get some things and

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<v Speaker 2>returned around a half hour later, Bob's housekeeper, Agnes, was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the front porch and said the front door

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<v Speaker 2>was locked and Bob was nowhere to be found. They

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<v Speaker 2>initially figured that Bob may have gone for a walk,

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<v Speaker 2>but he never returned and the only things that were

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<v Speaker 2>missing were his keys and his wallet, and when he

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<v Speaker 2>failed to resurface, his family officially reported him missing. But

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<v Speaker 2>Fontel moved to California and moved into Bob's house, but

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<v Speaker 2>there began some tension between her and Bob's three daughters, Paula, Roberta,

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<v Speaker 2>and Julie, who were not happy about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Bob had been planning to revise his estate and leave

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<v Speaker 2>part of his house and his money to Fontel, and

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<v Speaker 2>they reportedly had a heated meeting about it the very

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<v Speaker 2>day before Bob went missing, leading to speculation that there

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<v Speaker 2>might have been a connection between these two events. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a lengthy court battle and Fontel was eventually evicted

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<v Speaker 2>from Bob's home after he was legally declared dead before

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<v Speaker 2>she passed away herself. And it was also reported that

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen, two persons of interest who were described

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<v Speaker 2>as being associates of Bob were arrested and detained, but

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<v Speaker 2>were released without charge. And to this day, law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>has not released the identities of these two people or

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<v Speaker 2>why they were detained, and the investigation is pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>now in a holding pattern, and no trace of Bob

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<v Speaker 2>has been seen in nearly seventeen years. So I can

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<v Speaker 2>honestly say that I've never really seen a missing person's

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<v Speaker 2>case quite like this one, where it transitions from a

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<v Speaker 2>heartwarming love story to a tragic mystery within the span

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<v Speaker 2>of only one month. Here were two elderly individuals who

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<v Speaker 2>had both gone into a depression after losing their respective spouses,

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<v Speaker 2>but wound up reconnecting with the long lost love and

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<v Speaker 2>finally went through with a wedding which was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>have taken place nearly sixty years earlier. What's unique is

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<v Speaker 2>that Bob Herod and Fontale Heaters. Romance was such a

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<v Speaker 2>feel good human interest story that I wound up getting

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<v Speaker 2>media attention before Bob went missing. The local newspaper, the

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<v Speaker 2>Orange County Register, published an article about their recent marriage

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<v Speaker 2>on July seventh, two thousand and nine, and Bob was

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<v Speaker 2>even interviewed by a TV news crew. In many missing

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<v Speaker 2>persons cases, you only get to see the victims from

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<v Speaker 2>their photographs, and it's very rare that you're able to

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<v Speaker 2>see video footage of those speaking, which only makes them

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<v Speaker 2>more human. Watch meeting Bob's TV interview is both poignant

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<v Speaker 2>and eerie, because you can tell that he's the happiest

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<v Speaker 2>he has been in quite some time, but you also

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<v Speaker 2>know that he's going to vanish it out of the

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<v Speaker 2>trace three weeks later. And of course, what makes the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing even sadder is the possibility that Bob could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone missing because of his marriage, as it's a

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<v Speaker 2>parent that allowing his new bride to have a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of his five million dollar fortune was causing some friction

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<v Speaker 2>within his family.

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<v Speaker 3>I can only imagine, right when you have that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of assets and you have these fluctuating relationships. Bob and

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<v Speaker 3>his daughters had consistent relationships, they knew their mom's plan.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he has this younger female acquaintance, possibly girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>who he loans a lot of money to, and now

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<v Speaker 3>he's very quickly getting remarried to a childhood love interest.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I could see where the girls are very overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 3>In episode one, I said, you know, unless all of

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<v Speaker 3>them were involved, I don't think you could successfully pull

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<v Speaker 3>that off, because it's some point one of the sisters

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<v Speaker 3>would likely crack. But like you said, this is such

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<v Speaker 3>a bizarre case because it was just this eighty one

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<v Speaker 3>year old man who had this magical love story emerging

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<v Speaker 3>in his life at the age of eighty one, and

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<v Speaker 3>two days before she's supposed to start this chapter with him,

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<v Speaker 3>he disappears. And there's been very little progress made in

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<v Speaker 3>the case other than two individuals that we have no

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<v Speaker 3>information about being apprehended to later be released.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know if those two individuals had

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<v Speaker 1>any link at all to Josie. Do you know that information, Robin?

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately no, I haven't heard anything about Josie since the

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<v Speaker 2>disappeared episode when they said that they did not consider

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<v Speaker 2>her to be a suspect. But there's so many different

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<v Speaker 2>possibilities about who these two people could be, like, could

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<v Speaker 2>they be Josie and her husband, Could they be Josie

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<v Speaker 2>and someone that is suspected of being solicited to harm

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<v Speaker 2>Bob or something. We just don't have that information.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, now you'll find no shortage of line discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>this case, as there are no less than twenty separate

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<v Speaker 1>threads devoted to Bob's disappearance on the web sluthe forum,

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<v Speaker 1>and quite frankly, a lot of the discussion about Bob's

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<v Speaker 1>three daughters, Julie, Paula and Roberta is not too flattering,

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<v Speaker 1>as there are definitely a number of people who suspect

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<v Speaker 1>that one or more, if not all, of them, might

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<v Speaker 1>have played some sort of role in Bob's disappearance. What

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<v Speaker 1>further complicates this whole situation is that Bob's son in

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<v Speaker 1>law was the last known person to see him alive,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob had also developed a close relationship with a

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<v Speaker 1>much younger woman whom he'd lent large sums of money

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<v Speaker 1>to hell, you'll even see suspicion directed towards Fontel herself

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<v Speaker 1>and the possibility that she married Bob simply to get

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<v Speaker 1>her hands on his fortune. Back in twenty nineteen, two

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<v Speaker 1>persons of interest who were described as being associates of

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<v Speaker 1>Bob were briefly arrested and attained in relation to the

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<v Speaker 1>case before they were released without charge, and just as

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<v Speaker 1>Robin mentioned, their identities have never been released publicly. But

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<v Speaker 1>since there are so many different people associated with this story,

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<v Speaker 1>we can only guess who these two particular individuals might be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. It seems like it's unlimited of who this

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<v Speaker 3>could be because we don't know who Bob's done business with.

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<v Speaker 3>He owns multiple properties, clearly he's had successful investments, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it could be a banker, it could be

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<v Speaker 3>a real estate agent, it could be someone he hired

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<v Speaker 3>to fix his homes up. It could be, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>someone he is related to. So it's very frustrating when

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<v Speaker 3>you look at this from an investigative standpoint, because Bob

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<v Speaker 3>has had such an extensive life, because Bob does have

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<v Speaker 3>assets that are of value to people who know him,

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<v Speaker 3>and because you know, the older you get, it's possible

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<v Speaker 3>he shared information he shouldn't have shared with somebody, right,

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<v Speaker 3>being vulnerable, being a little bit more gullible to just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, communication methods and things like that there's a

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<v Speaker 3>host of different things that could have happened to Bob

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<v Speaker 3>the Unfortunately, because of the doctor's report, it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>the most unlikely would be that he naturally and somehow,

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<v Speaker 3>in a state of confusion, wandered away. And it does

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<v Speaker 3>point more towards something's wrong what bothers me as you

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<v Speaker 3>still know, Bob's bed was unmade when he left, which

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<v Speaker 3>was atypical. He did have his wallet and keys, but

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<v Speaker 3>did not have his glasses and did not take his car,

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<v Speaker 3>so hypothetically, he should not have been able to voluntarily

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<v Speaker 3>go very far or for very long without needing to

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<v Speaker 3>come home.

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<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned the possibility of Bob possibly angering someone

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<v Speaker 2>who he had done business with in the past. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's interesting was, we really don't know all that much

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<v Speaker 2>about Bob's personal life. We just know that he had

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<v Speaker 2>once worked in contract administration, he made a fortune, and

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<v Speaker 2>he successfully made some investments in some real estate properties.

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<v Speaker 2>But we don't know too much about his personal life

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<v Speaker 2>other than Josie and von Teal and his daughters. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what kind of friends and associates he had,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I don't know how long he had

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<v Speaker 2>been retired, if he might have angered someone during his

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<v Speaker 2>deep business dealings that would cause them to murder him

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<v Speaker 2>like years after the fact. But it is possible, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that these two associates who arrested may just be people

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<v Speaker 2>that have never been mentioned before and any versions of

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<v Speaker 2>this story and were completely off the radar as suspects.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously Bob's fortune seems to be the most logical

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<v Speaker 2>motive for his disappearance, but you have to remember that

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<v Speaker 2>he's technically still only a missing person, not a homicide victim.

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<v Speaker 2>California law requires that a person be missing for at

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<v Speaker 2>least five years before they can be legally declared dead,

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<v Speaker 2>so theoretically, if someone killed Bob for his inheritance, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been in their best interest to ensure his

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<v Speaker 2>body was found, since otherwise they cannot benefit financially until

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<v Speaker 2>at least twenty fourteen. If you search on YouTube, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to find clips of some local news segments

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<v Speaker 2>which were filmed in the days following Bob's disappearance, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of them features footage of Fontelle arriving in California

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<v Speaker 2>and being co sold by Julie Paula and Roberta. It's

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<v Speaker 2>quite surreal to watch this footage knowing that the two

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<v Speaker 2>sides would soon wind up on very bad terms with

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<v Speaker 2>each other and become embroiled in a heated feud over

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's estate. And what adds an extra element of frustration

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation is that we have conflicting stories from

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<v Speaker 2>both Fontel and the three daughters about some key events

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<v Speaker 2>which took place around the time period Bob vanished. I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose we should begin our analysis by talking about Fontel,

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<v Speaker 2>who passed away in twenty twenty two. In many cases,

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<v Speaker 2>you might feel suspicious about a woman suddenly re entering

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<v Speaker 2>a wealthy man's life after not seeing him for decades

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<v Speaker 2>and marrying him a short time later before he went missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's daughters have even given off the impression that they

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Fontel was a gold digger who was only

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<v Speaker 2>after him for his money. However, when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the big picture, Fontel definitely seems to be the least

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<v Speaker 2>likely suspect. I mean, Fontel was in a completely different

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<v Speaker 2>state at the time Bob went missing, so she couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have had any direct involvement. And while you could explore

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility of a murder for hire, that scenario really

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense for starters. It sounds like the

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<v Speaker 2>quick marriage was Bob's idea as he was an eighty

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<v Speaker 2>one year old widower who had to adjust to the

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<v Speaker 2>pain of being alone for the first time in six decades.

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<v Speaker 2>So when a former flame re entered his life and

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<v Speaker 2>he fell head over heels in love again, Bob did

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<v Speaker 2>not see the purpose of taking things slowly because who

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<v Speaker 2>knows how much time he had left. Bontel always maintained

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<v Speaker 2>that she had no idea Bob was wealthy until after

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<v Speaker 2>he went missing, and I can't believe that as he

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<v Speaker 2>lived a modest, middle class lifestyle. You certainly don't expect

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<v Speaker 2>an individual who's driving in nineteen ninety seven Toyota Camry

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and nine to have a net worth

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<v Speaker 2>of five million dollars. Hell, Bob's daughters even admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>they had no idea what he was really worth until

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<v Speaker 2>after their mother passed away the previous year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in case anybody is curious about what Bob's money

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<v Speaker 1>seven point six million in today's currency or spending powers.

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<v Speaker 1>So that gives you kind of an idea of what

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I've got to defend Fontel here and Bob

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<v Speaker 3>as well, because if you've ever experienced loss of a spouse,

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that your whole world is kind of turned

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<v Speaker 3>upside down and you don't know how to function without

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<v Speaker 3>your partner. It's a very different relationship than any other

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<v Speaker 3>kind of loss, because even brushing your teeth and doing

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<v Speaker 3>the dishes, this is the person who's with you twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four to seven, carrying the same role, the same weight,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like better half if you have a good marriage, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's my other half, and so to lose half of

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<v Speaker 3>you feels helpless. This man was with her for decades

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<v Speaker 3>upon decades, six decades, so that was the way he functioned.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like he lost his right arm and leg

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<v Speaker 3>when she passed away. So when he all of a

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<v Speaker 3>sudden has someone reach out who's genuine and is a

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<v Speaker 3>true love that he had in his life, it was

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<v Speaker 3>never a pain for him other than losing her. He

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<v Speaker 3>went away for the military and didn't want to hold

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<v Speaker 3>her to that commitment because he knew he was in danger,

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<v Speaker 3>and because of the times then they didn't have email

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<v Speaker 3>and Facebook and FaceTime and all of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>we have now. They lost touch with each other, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was something that would have to be a love

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<v Speaker 3>that stayed in your heart and said, Hey, I wonder

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<v Speaker 3>whatever happened to her? Right, I'm so happy in my life,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think about her every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>That was my first love.

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<v Speaker 4>She comes back in his life. He gets a lease

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<v Speaker 4>on losing his world.

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<v Speaker 3>And now wait a minute, this chapter that never got

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<v Speaker 3>to start is going to could start out of It's

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<v Speaker 3>like a grace of God. And so I just feel

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<v Speaker 3>like Bob and Fontelle, would money be nice to know

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<v Speaker 3>as a widow you're going to marry into somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>has money, Yes, but you're both like counting down how

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<v Speaker 3>long do we have left? So do I think Fontelle

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<v Speaker 3>was chasing him for his money?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I think she didn't want to pass away alone. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think she wanted to end her her life here

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<v Speaker 3>on earth with her best friend, with somebody that she

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<v Speaker 3>had missed that she thought about her whole life and

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<v Speaker 3>that she wanted to reconnect with.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that part's incredibly precious.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when you talk about who drives that nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety seven Toyota Camry a twelve year old car when

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<v Speaker 3>they have millions upon millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of find it very charming.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I've met a few people who are very wealthy

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<v Speaker 3>and you would never know it unless you knew their

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<v Speaker 3>pedigree and where they came from. I think that humility

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<v Speaker 3>of saying there's things that are worth investing in and

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<v Speaker 3>putting your money towards, and there's things that don't matter

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<v Speaker 3>to me, shows a humbleness to him and really shows

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<v Speaker 3>you the kind of man he likely was. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>someone who lets you know how much money he had.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't wear that on his sleeve. And if that's

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of and he was, I have to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to what you said that if you were going

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<v Speaker 3>to kill him for his money, you'd want his body

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<v Speaker 3>found because they had to wait for five years to

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<v Speaker 3>get his assets released. I almost think that this man

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<v Speaker 3>went out to do something even maybe go get something

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<v Speaker 3>quickly from, you know, around the corner to bring back

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<v Speaker 3>for Fontelle when she arrived, and then maybe got hurt

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<v Speaker 3>on his way out. That someone saw him and there

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<v Speaker 3>was a crime of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I completely agree that. I don't think there is

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<v Speaker 2>anything unusual about Bob and Fontell wanting to get remarried

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<v Speaker 2>so quickly after losing the respective spouses, just because it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a difficult adjustment going back to being alone

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<v Speaker 2>again for the first time in decades. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen situations like this where a quick remarry for an

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<v Speaker 2>elderly person who was married to their spouse for decades

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<v Speaker 2>can cause a lot of friction with their adult children

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just so shocking to them that their mother,

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<v Speaker 2>who has been a big part of their life for

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<v Speaker 2>so long, is now gone, and now you're seeing their

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<v Speaker 2>father just get married quickly to some woman you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know. So on one sense, you can understand why

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<v Speaker 2>they might have an unflattering portrayal of Fontel and think

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<v Speaker 2>that she's a gold digger and was only after her

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<v Speaker 2>father with his money. But on the other hand, they

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<v Speaker 2>may have their own selfish, ulterior reasons for thinking this

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<v Speaker 2>and don't like the idea Fontel getting your hands on

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<v Speaker 2>their money, which they felt that they would be entitled to.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, I just don't understand how Fontale has a

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<v Speaker 1>finger pointed at her when there wasn't even Instagram back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Instagram started in twenty ten. Okay, so there was

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where Bob would have been on some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of social media platform with like stacks of cash and

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<v Speaker 1>posting videos like that wouldn't have been a thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>we know that he wasn't doing that. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where Fonteal would have been able to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with the information that Bob was wealth, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>we factor in that his daughters didn't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>considerable his wealth was until Georgia passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the idea of Bob being on Instagram is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty adorable for this eighty one year old name some

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<v Speaker 2>of them and him holding up stacks of cash to

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<v Speaker 2>show how wealthy is quite a littilarious visual.

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<v Speaker 1>During her interview on the Disappeared episode about this case,

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<v Speaker 1>Fontel brought up a point which should dispel any notion

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<v Speaker 1>of her being involved in Bob's disappearance. If all she

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<v Speaker 1>cared about was his money, she would have ensured that

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<v Speaker 1>all the necessary paperwork making her a beneficiary to his

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<v Speaker 1>estate was signed before she left California to return home

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<v Speaker 1>to Missouri. Some people might find it odd that Bontel

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<v Speaker 1>decided to move into Bob's house after he vanished and

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<v Speaker 1>remained there for the next several years. But she really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have much of a choice. Remember, she'd spend the

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<v Speaker 1>previous month moving out of her residence in Missouri in

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<v Speaker 1>order to live with Bob, So where was she going

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<v Speaker 1>to go? I can't imagine that she wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>through the ordeal of finding another place to live while

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<v Speaker 1>she was dealing with the trauma of her husband going missing,

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<v Speaker 1>and putting aside the potential motive of Fontel orchestrating a

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<v Speaker 1>murder for hire. The logistics just seem impossible if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the timeline. Bob seemingly went missing during a

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<v Speaker 1>narrow period of around twenty to thirty minutes between when

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<v Speaker 1>his son in law left the house to go to

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<v Speaker 1>home depot and his housekeeper arrived at the residence. What

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<v Speaker 1>amazing luck that this mythical hit man managed to remove

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<v Speaker 1>Bob from his home within this very very brief window

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<v Speaker 1>of time when no one else was there. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>it appears that Bob's daughters have attempted to paint an

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<v Speaker 1>unslattering picture of Fontelle, she does come across as a

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely nice woman during her interviews. Just imagine how difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>It must have been for her to lose her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>rekindle her romance with Bob, get remarried, and then lose

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<v Speaker 1>him as well, and then lose him as well within

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<v Speaker 1>one three year time period.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so sad when you look at this idea that

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<v Speaker 3>she had already lost so much, He had already lost

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<v Speaker 3>so much, and this was such a kind of just

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<v Speaker 3>diamond in the rough storybook reconnection. I can't imagine that

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<v Speaker 3>it just didn't work out right, like is it perfect? No,

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<v Speaker 3>are their complications, of course, but it's these two elderly

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<v Speaker 3>people who get a second lease on life. And like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, he had already lost so much, She had

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<v Speaker 3>already lost so much, and two days before they're about

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<v Speaker 3>to start their world together, he's gone. It breaks my heart.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so sad.

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<v Speaker 2>We mentioned earlier that when Fontelle first arrived in Placentia

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<v Speaker 2>following Bob's disappearance, the news cameras caught footage of his

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<v Speaker 2>daughter's hugging and consoling her. But things obviously changed in

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<v Speaker 2>a big hurry, since Julie, Roperta and Paula met with

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<v Speaker 2>Fontelle a few days later to let her know that

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<v Speaker 2>she was not entitled to their father's assets, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have differing accounts about whether or not they told Fonteale

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<v Speaker 2>that a family attorney had advised them to kick her

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<v Speaker 2>out of the house. Well, at this point, Bob had

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<v Speaker 2>only been missing for a short amount time, so it

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<v Speaker 2>does seem a bit callous to be focusing so much

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<v Speaker 2>on the handling of his estate when it has even

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<v Speaker 2>been confirmed yet if he's dead or alive. I can

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<v Speaker 2>also see why it might look incredibly suspicious that Bob

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<v Speaker 2>just happened to go missing the very day after he

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<v Speaker 2>had a meeting with his three daughters to discuss his

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<v Speaker 2>family's finances. We have two differing versions of what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>as Julie, Paula and Roberta maintain that even though they

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<v Speaker 2>did have a heated argument with their father, they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to peacefully resolve the situation and left his house

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<v Speaker 2>on good terms, but Fontell claims that when she spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Bob on the phone later that evening, he still

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<v Speaker 2>seemed pretty upset. Fontell's version of the story is that

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's daughters were unhappy that he was planning to add

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<v Speaker 2>her name to his house and checking accounts, and they

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<v Speaker 2>even wanted the marriage to be an Ault. Julie, Paula

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<v Speaker 2>and Roberta have always downplayed this, as they claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>the source of the friction was their father's lack of

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<v Speaker 2>transparency about their late mother's bypass trust and issue, which

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with Fontel and had been a

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<v Speaker 2>recurring problem before they even got married. Since Bob himself

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer around to clarify this situation, well, probably

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<v Speaker 2>never know the real truth, but his daughters did file

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<v Speaker 2>a petition of conservatorship only a week and a half

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<v Speaker 2>after he went missing, and later went to probate court

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<v Speaker 2>to try and get Fontell removed from the residents, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were obviously quite concerned about making sure to keep

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<v Speaker 2>control of his finances.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that all of that is just simply

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<v Speaker 3>like the reality of growing up and having an aging parent.

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<v Speaker 3>I could see where everyone was incredibly frustrated. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult conversation to have, and they had already had

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<v Speaker 3>complications with it that Dad wasn't providing the correct documentation.

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<v Speaker 3>Moms deceased, so that adds energy to it. This was

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<v Speaker 3>Mom's wishes. They're very probably emotionally tied to Mom wanted this.

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<v Speaker 3>We were told this, you need to provide this, And

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<v Speaker 3>so imagine three heated girls dealing with the grief of

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<v Speaker 3>their mother's loss, the reality that this conversation means one

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<v Speaker 3>day Dad's going to be gone too, and trying to

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<v Speaker 3>manage money. It complicates everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I'm The more we talk about it, the

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<v Speaker 3>more empathy I feel for the daughters who, because of

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<v Speaker 3>the odd timing of this conversation and because of the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of complex nature that happens with Fontel afterwards, for them,

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<v Speaker 3>they almost feel like she's a squatter living in their

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<v Speaker 3>dad's house. She just you know, she's been in the

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<v Speaker 3>picture what two seconds, and now she lays claim to

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<v Speaker 3>his assets in his home.

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<v Speaker 4>We should have never let him in.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just a lot of legal and financial complications that

425
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<v Speaker 3>I think would erode any people's relationship. I don't necessarily

426
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<v Speaker 3>think it projects any of their character. I think many

427
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:54.960
<v Speaker 3>families see this where good people end up having bad

428
00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.920
<v Speaker 3>behaviors displayed and bad emotions between them, because money changes

429
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 3>people and grief changes people. So I think it's just hard.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I do know that places like web sluse like

431
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>paint a very unflattering portrayal of the daughters and don't

432
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.440
<v Speaker 2>really like them too much. But if you do put

433
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.559
<v Speaker 2>yourself in their shoes and they are completely innocent, you

434
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.759
<v Speaker 2>can kind of understand a lot of their behavior, and like,

435
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.519
<v Speaker 2>I understand what a weird adjustment it must have been

436
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.039
<v Speaker 2>for them to like suddenly lose their mother and have

437
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>their father remarry like a complete stranger, very very quickly.

438
00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So it might seem callous from a distance, but when

439
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you take it from their point of view, he can

440
00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of understand some of their actions. And if they

441
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.440
<v Speaker 2>truly are innocent, they probably never never knew that their

442
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.480
<v Speaker 2>father was just going to go missing and that everyone

443
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.599
<v Speaker 2>was going to like scrutinize their actions.

444
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.519
<v Speaker 1>And if they were aware of Josie potentially borrowing money

445
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.240
<v Speaker 1>or siphoning money from their father, it could be that

446
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>this marriage to Fontelle became a pattern of recklessness that

447
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the three daughters saw, and we're like, our father is

448
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 1>doing reckless things. Isn't disclosing the things to do with

449
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the trust that he's legally obligated to do, and so

450
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.079
<v Speaker 1>they are legally entitled to that money, and he's being

451
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.839
<v Speaker 1>evasive about it. And now he's given eighty six thousand

452
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars to Josie and he's married Fontel, and so it

453
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>likely has zero to do with Fontel and everything to

454
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>do with the fact that he's been evasive. They don't

455
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're going to get what has been entitled

456
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.640
<v Speaker 1>to them through their mother George's bypass trust because their

457
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>father isn't complying with what he is legally supposed to do.

458
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:39.599
<v Speaker 1>So I can completely empathize with what they're going through.

459
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>They're concerned about the decisions that he's making, and it's

460
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<v Speaker 1>I'm more in line with what Ashley said that this

461
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:50.599
<v Speaker 1>is an aging parent and they're concerned for his well being,

462
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.759
<v Speaker 1>also for their own wellbeing and for their financial future.

463
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think both things can be true. You can

464
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.640
<v Speaker 1>be concerned for your aging parent and their choice, and

465
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 1>you can also be concerned for yourself and the money

466
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 1>that you're legally entitled to. So one aspect of this

467
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>case which does seem concerning is that Bob's daughters shared

468
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>details about him with the media that were contradicted by

469
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>other sources. For instance, they said that Bob had been

470
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 1>experiencing memory issues and potential signs of dementia, but Bob's

471
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.559
<v Speaker 1>doctor told police that he was quite healthy for his age.

472
00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 1>They also claimed that his father had bad knees and

473
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't walk more than two blocks, but Bob's neighbors said

474
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that he often liked to take mile long walks up

475
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the street and back virtually every day. Bob's daughters also

476
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 1>described him as being a homebody who did not like

477
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.319
<v Speaker 1>to go out much and did everything he could to

478
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>avoid driving on freeways. However, investigators learned that about a

479
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 1>month or so prior to his disappearance, Bob took Fontelle

480
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to visit friends of his who lived on Balboa Island,

481
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 1>a harborside community in Newport Beach, and it would have

482
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>been impossible for him to drive there without using the freeway.

483
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.839
<v Speaker 1>So why are we getting all these contradictory stories about

484
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Bob's physical and mental health. Where his daughter's trying to

485
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 1>plant some seeds to give off the impression that he

486
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>became disoriented and wandered off. I mean, given Bob's advanced age,

487
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I suppose we can't completely discount that possibility. But there

488
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.559
<v Speaker 1>have been no reported sightings of him since he went missing.

489
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Bob's disappearance immediately received a lot of attention from the

490
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>local media, and he was a very distinct looking guy.

491
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>So unless he wandered off into a remote area and

492
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>died of exposure or something, I think there's a good

493
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 1>chance that he would have been found relatively quickly. It's

494
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>also worth reiterating the police claimed someone initially told them

495
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 1>that Bob might have run away on his own because

496
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>he regretted his marriage to Fontelle, But they've never publicly

497
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>revealed the identity of the person who shared this theory,

498
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>so you have to wonder if it might have been

499
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>someone who had their own ulterior motives for attempting to

500
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 1>push forward a false narrative.

501
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 3>There is no way he wanted to run away from

502
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.599
<v Speaker 3>that mayor and at eighty one, I don't know. I

503
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 3>just think, with his relationship with his daughters, if he

504
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 3>felt like he had just gotten trapped, she wasn't even

505
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 3>living there yet, I think he could easily come up

506
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 3>with a thing that says, you just can't, you can't come.

507
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna get it annulled. I can't do this. He

508
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 3>was happy, he was so excited. Oh my god, read

509
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 3>the letter that he wrote her. This is like this

510
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 3>struck of strike of genius that somehow you found me,

511
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 3>and God's answered my prayers and the call changed my life.

512
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 3>He loves her, he cares about her, and he does

513
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 3>not want to be alone. I completely understand that. And

514
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 3>so no part of me thinks that disoriented and wandered off,

515
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 3>not if you're going to say it's based on dementia,

516
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 3>but I do wonder could there have been an injury

517
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 3>where he fell and then was disoriented. I could see

518
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.039
<v Speaker 3>him having the wherewithal to grab his keys and his wallet,

519
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 3>but maybe not making his bed like he normally does.

520
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 3>That could be possible, But then, like you said, how

521
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 3>far is he actually going to get on foot unless

522
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 3>he was grabbed by somebody. I feel like it would

523
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 3>be pretty easy to find him, even if he had

524
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 3>lost his life due to being exposed to the elements

525
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 3>or something, or you know, wandered off and gotten hurt.

526
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he could have gotten that far by himself.

527
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you a question, Ash? Yeah, So what

528
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>do you think is the likelihood that we see? Okay,

529
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 1>so we've got all the daughters giving this information and

530
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it looks like it's contradicted by other people who seem

531
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to know Bob his neighbors. How much of that do

532
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>you think is just a perception versus reality?

533
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 4>I think huge, how.

534
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Much do we actually know about our parents? And like

535
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>what do their friends know of them? That is completely

536
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>different than like us as children.

537
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.240
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and like even between children, like my brother and

538
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I have very different perceptions of our parents. And it's

539
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 3>because of the relationships we have and as adults you

540
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 3>become more friends and then caregivers and all of these

541
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>different things. And so like you said, you know my

542
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 3>aunt or my cousin who acts like my mom's sister,

543
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.079
<v Speaker 3>I guarantee or she knows a different version of my

544
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 3>mom than I do because she's been with her since

545
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 3>she was a little girl, and she's my mom's confidant

546
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 3>of things that she does not need to share with me.

547
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 3>And then I know things my brother doesn't know about

548
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 3>my mom or you know, and my brother knows.

549
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Things about my dad that I don't know.

550
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 3>So I think that it is a generational difference and

551
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 3>the way we perceive behaviors and events, you know, like

552
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 3>you think of everyone getting offended today about things that

553
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, our parents don't mean harm.

554
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 4>They're just not of this time, you know.

555
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 3>So I think we view people older and younger than us,

556
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 3>through the lens that is right for our life and

557
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 3>what we're used to and what makes sense to us,

558
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 3>and that's not always the reality of what that person's living.

559
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 3>So I definitely think it's through the lens of whoever's

560
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>telling the story, and I don't think it's malicious or

561
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>trying to throw the police off. I think that's the

562
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 3>person they knew. But Bob's not going to be the

563
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>same Bob with his seventy nine year old whiskey drink

564
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 3>and poke buddies as he is with his little girls.

565
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 4>He's just not.

566
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I completely agree with that, though I would love

567
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>to learn the identity of the quote unquote someone who

568
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 2>told the police that Bob probably ran off because he

569
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>regretted his marriage to fond Tale and just wanted to

570
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>get away with it, because that is just beyond the

571
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>realm of all logic that I have to think that

572
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 2>whoever shared that was not being serious and was trying

573
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 2>to plant a false narrative.

574
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Especially when we factor in that all three of his

575
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 1>daughters wanted him to annul his marriage. So at that point,

576
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you just acquiesce to what your daughters wanted get

577
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the marriage adulled. They would say that like he wasn't

578
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>competent or wasn't able to consent legally, whatever they would

579
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>end up saying, then you would just go about your life.

580
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Why would you need to run away from everything? It

581
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:47.319
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even make sense.

582
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>But before we talk any more about Bob's family, we

583
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>should discuss the other person who's been pushed forward as

584
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a potential suspect, and that's Bob's barber, Josie. On the surface,

585
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.079
<v Speaker 2>there would definitely appear to be a good reason to

586
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>be suspicious of her, as she really does come across

587
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>as the type of gold digger which Bob's daughters accused

588
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Vaon Tell of being. It is quite troubling that a

589
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>woman who was nearly half Bob's age would try putting

590
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>her hooks into him almost immediately after his wife's death.

591
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Since Georgia went through a prolonged illness before she passed away,

592
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you almost get the impression that Josie may have planned

593
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 2>this all along. It was going to do everything in

594
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 2>her power to exploit a lonely grieving widower. Now, since

595
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Josie had a husband of her own, it's never been

596
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>conclusively established if she took things any further and had

597
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 2>an affair with Bob, but she did convince him to

598
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 2>loaner a lot of money. According to Bob's daughters, it

599
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>was very out of character for him to be that

600
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>frivolous about giving money to other people outside the family,

601
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and when he did loan money to his family members,

602
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>he would always make sure the transaction was documented on

603
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>paper and charge an interest rate to ensure the loan

604
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>would be paid back. But it sounds like Bob gave

605
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Josie a lot of money and gifts without going through

606
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>this process. Investigators have stated that they do not believe

607
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Josie had much of a motive to harm Bob, since

608
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>she essentially would have been getting rid of her meal ticket.

609
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 2>But let's not forget that since Bob got remarried, it

610
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 2>seems like he was expecting Josie to pay back the

611
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>money he loaned her. Now that he had Fontelle, Bob

612
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>no longer needed Josie's attention as much as he did before,

613
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>so this could have given Josie a motive to harm

614
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Bob in order to avoid repaying the loan. All that

615
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>being said, it sounds like Josie had an alibi for

616
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the day Bob went missing, and while no specific details

617
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>about this have been released, it appears that investigators have

618
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 2>pretty much ruled out Josie and her husband as suspects. However,

619
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 2>it is interesting that one of the reasons Josie popped

620
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>up on the radar as a potential suspect is because

621
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Bob's son in law, Jeff Michaels, reported seeing what he

622
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>believed was a suspicious looking SUV driving past Bob's house

623
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>multiple times on the day he went missing. Josie did

624
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 2>drive a vehicle just like that, always maintained that she

625
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>was nowhere near the residence on that particular date. I mean,

626
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that Jeff is telling the truth and saw

627
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 2>a completely different suv which has no relevance to this case.

628
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>But if you believe Jeff is complicit in what happened,

629
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 2>perhaps he fabricated this story in order to non too

630
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>subdly direct suspicion towards Josie.

631
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 3>I do think that the many things would be happening

632
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:28.640
<v Speaker 3>here if you think about the quintessential barber shop or

633
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 3>beauty shop talk and the kind of the dynamic you

634
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 3>have with a person doing your hair.

635
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 4>Remember Bob's eighty one.

636
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 3>We don't know how much socialization he had outside of

637
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 3>the house, So things like going to the doctor getting

638
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 3>your hair cut, that's like social hour, you know, our

639
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 3>equivalent of going to the movies or going out to

640
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 3>get a drink or dinner or something like that. So

641
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I think that there could have been a true bond

642
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 3>where that's somebody he looked forward to seeing. Maybe she

643
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 3>had a pretty compelling story and he felt empathy for

644
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 3>her and wanted to help her. But like you said,

645
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 3>he seemed to be a pretty business savvy man, so

646
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 3>kept notes of what was happening and did actually ask

647
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.360
<v Speaker 3>for that to be paid back. Did that ask make

648
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 3>her mad? Is she not upset with him whatsoever? And

649
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 3>that was the plan they had, was that, you know,

650
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 3>when I get it, I'm going to pay you back, Bob,

651
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 3>I promise. I just don't know who else to turn to.

652
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 3>So we don't know the dynamic that was happening. It

653
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 3>could have easily just been friends and someone. He said,

654
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I have the resources. She's a hard working woman. She

655
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 3>and her husband have potential to get this money and

656
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.519
<v Speaker 3>will be able to pay me back. I'm going to

657
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.360
<v Speaker 3>go ahead and quote invest in her and help her

658
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.920
<v Speaker 3>out and expect her to pay me back. That could

659
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 3>have easily been the arrangement from the start.

660
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>One thing about this, like, let's just examine this from

661
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the perspective that Josie had absolutely nothing to do with this,

662
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 1>and so many people are pointing at her and saying

663
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that she is a gold digger. I just want to

664
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 1>point out that there is a lot of mon misogyny

665
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>attached to the idea that a much older man who

666
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>has money and a woman who comes along that he

667
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 1>is being victimized by her. It is a mutually beneficial

668
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>relationship if it was indeed sexual, and his doctor said

669
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 1>that he was of sound mind. He didn't seem to

670
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>be experiencing cognitive decline. He seemed to have been very

671
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>aware of what was happening. And there could have been

672
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.800
<v Speaker 1>some reason that Bob decided not to write this on

673
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 1>a ledger. I'm not sure the very nature of their relationship,

674
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>but just in the off chance that Josie really had

675
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with this, I don't love the whole

676
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 1>dialogue around her just kind of getting in there and

677
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>having her eye on his money, and then Bob was just,

678
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, completely innocent and didn't have any designs on

679
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Josie in any sort of a way. We just don't

680
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 1>know the information about the exact dynamics of their relationship.

681
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It is possible it could have just been a friendship.

682
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 1>It possible that it could have been more than that.

683
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 1>But either way, we do know that he wanted that

684
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 1>money back, so with Bontella in the picture, either he

685
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't think that he needed that like quote unquote friend

686
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 1>or maybe he didn't feel like he needed that physical relationship.

687
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>We can't really be sure.

688
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Josie has never given any interviews to share her

689
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>side of the story, so all we really heard about

690
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 2>her is from the point of view of Bob's daughters,

691
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and of course they're probably not going to like her

692
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 2>and have their own acts to grind with her, even

693
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>if her intentions were noble and that she wasn't taking

694
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 2>advantage of Bob at all.

695
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Now, one thing I'd be curious to know is what

696
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of relationship Bob had with his daughters prior to

697
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 1>the death of his wife. They've always claimed that the

698
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>loss devastated him so much that he went into a

699
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>deep depression and lost a lot of weight because he

700
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't even feel like eating anymore. Things eventually reached a

701
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>point where Bob told his daughters that he wanted to

702
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>be alone and have no contact with them for six

703
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>months because he needed time for himself. But you have

704
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 1>to wonder if there might have more of that story,

705
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>given how quickly Bob's daughters worked to gain control of

706
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 1>his finances after he went missing. Perhaps a similar situation

707
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>happened following the loss of their mother, as they immediately

708
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to sort out the issue with the family trust,

709
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and even once so far as to draft a formal

710
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>letter to Bob about it. But he may have just

711
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 1>been too bereaved to deal with it. Let's also not

712
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 1>forget that they'd call the Department of Elder Social Services

713
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>to interview Bob over their concern that he was being

714
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 1>exploited by Josie. I can't imagine that Bob was too

715
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 1>happy about the situation, so it would not surprise me

716
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>if this played a role in his decision to cut

717
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>himself off from his daughters for six months. I mean,

718
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>if the relationship between Bob and his children was good

719
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 1>throughout the majority of his life, then I cannot imagine

720
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 1>things escalating to the point where they would do something

721
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>as cruel and sadistic as murder their father for money. Yes,

722
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of other documented cases of people murdering

723
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 1>their own parents for financial gain. But here we have

724
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 1>three daughters who would have stood to benefit financially if

725
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Bob was out of the picture, and I'd hate to

726
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 1>think that all three of them were capable of something

727
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 1>like this. So could this just be a case where

728
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 1>just one or perhaps two of Bob's daughters were complicit

729
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>in what happened, but the others are completely innocent. And

730
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 1>we also have to take into account the Jeck Michaels,

731
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the husband of one of these daughters, Julie, was the

732
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 1>last person to see Bob alive. Even though Paula and

733
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Roberta have agreed to be interviewed during the Disappeared episode,

734
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Julie was not, though you can find clips on YouTube

735
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>of her speaking to the media in the days after

736
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>her father went missing, and as far as I can tell,

737
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Jeff has never done any interviews or spoken to the

738
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>media at all.

739
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 3>So at this I remember, Bob's girls held him pretty

740
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 3>strictly to the letters his mom heard their mom had written. Right,

741
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.559
<v Speaker 3>they said, together we want to do this for our children.

742
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 3>That's all fine and good until one of you passes away,

743
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 3>and then you have to pick up the pieces and

744
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 3>you have a whole new life in front of you

745
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 3>that you are quite sure what to do with, or

746
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>you kind of can do anything you want. So his

747
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 3>girls were very quick to say, you got to stick

748
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 3>to this, show us the paperwork, meet with us, do this,

749
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 3>and confront him. So when Bob says he needs a

750
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 3>break from them, it could just be tension and frustration

751
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 3>of I resent I've lost I lost your mother. You

752
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 3>have your partners, you have your life. I lost your mother.

753
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 3>It's my assets. I earned it, and he's just frustrated

754
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 3>and pushes them away. Does that mean they wanted to

755
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 3>kill him? Does that mean he didn't want a relationship

756
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 3>with his kids. No. I think he was grieving. They

757
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 3>were grieving, and again I think that changes people and

758
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 3>their perception of how the other person's treating them, and

759
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 3>so I just think he needed a break for a minute.

760
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 3>I think he was struggling and suffering, and men can't

761
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 3>talk about their feelings, and you know, he needed to

762
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 3>carry on and be tough. And he's this known businessman

763
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 3>and things like that. So I'm more prone to think

764
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that all of these complications between Bob and his girls

765
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 3>is simply a reality of difficult times. And yeah, I

766
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 3>don't see any of the sisters being able to pull

767
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 3>this off without the other sisters becoming suspicious and calling

768
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.079
<v Speaker 3>it out, because whether you're my sister or not, if

769
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 3>you ended up killing our father and then you're the

770
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>reason we're in this horrible feud with Vontel and the

771
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.400
<v Speaker 3>police are investigating and we don't know where he is

772
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 3>and we can't lay him to rest, and our kids

773
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>don't know where their grandfather is and all of the

774
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 3>trauma that comes with that. I'm going to go ahead

775
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>and tell the police I have suspicion about you, because

776
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>this is unfair to all of us. I just don't

777
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 3>think it's possible that one of them could be behind it.

778
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 2>But let's examine the series of events which took place

779
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>on the day Bob disappeared. The story goes up. Bob

780
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>invited Jeff over to his residence on July to twenty

781
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>seventh in order to help him with prepares and preparing

782
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the house for Fontel's arrival two days later. According to Jeff,

783
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 2>he left to pick up some supplies from Home Depot,

784
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>but by the time he returned, the house's front door

785
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>was locked, Bob was gone, and Bob's housekeeper, Agnes, was

786
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.920
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the front porch. I should mention that there

787
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>is conflicting information from different sources about what time of

788
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the day these events took place. The Disappeared episode says

789
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that Agnes arrived at the residence at noon, but most

790
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>of the sources state that Jeff left the residence sometime

791
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>between two thirty and two forty pm at Agnes arrived

792
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>at three PM, so I am inclined to believe this

793
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 2>timeline is the correct one. Investigators were able to verify

794
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Jeff's story and confirm that he did visit Home Depot

795
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>during that time period, but of course this doesn't necessarily

796
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>exclude him from being involved in Bob's disappearance, since we

797
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have a large window of time from earlier that day

798
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>in which we technically have no independent eye witnesses besides

799
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Jeff who can confirm Bob's whereabouts. Agnes agreed to be

800
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 2>interviewed on the Disappeared episode, and she said that Jeff

801
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>seemed genuinely surprised to find her on the front porch,

802
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and she found it unusual that Bob did not tell

803
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Jeff was coming. Agnes usually cleaned the house on Tuesdays,

804
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>but Bob had arranged for her to stop by and

805
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>clean the place that afternoon, which was a Monday. So

806
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I can understand why Jeff would be thrown off by

807
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Agnes's presence, and this would be especially troubling for him

808
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>if he had played some sort of role in Bob's disappearance.

809
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Agnes also recounts that after they entered the residence, Jeff

810
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>told her that he was going to check upstairs to

811
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>see if Bob was napping, and even though this only

812
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>should have taken a few seconds, Agnes said that Jeff

813
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>was upstairs for a few minutes before he came back

814
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>down and confirmed that Bob wasn't there. So, hypothetically, if

815
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>there was some evidence that a crime had been committed upstairs,

816
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Jeff could have been using this opportunity to cover it

817
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 2>up before Agnes sow it. Bondel would later say that

818
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>when she moved into the house, she saw evidence to

819
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.760
<v Speaker 2>suggest that the bathroom had been damaged and repaired. Bondell

820
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>had stayed at the house when she visited Bob one

821
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 2>month earlier, and I'm guessing she didn't see any signs

822
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 2>of this damage the first time around. So while Jeff

823
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>may have technically been telling the truth about visiting the

824
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 2>home depot to pick up supplies for repairs, he may

825
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>have been doing so for more nefarious reasons. But in

826
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Jeff's defense, even though he remained at the house for

827
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>another three hours after he returned, he did leave before

828
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Agnes did. If he was in the midst of covering

829
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>up a crime, you would think that Jeff might be

830
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>inclined to hang around a bit longer and not leave

831
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Agnes alone.

832
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly would he really sit there and say, Okay,

833
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go ahead and plan this. I'm going to

834
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.039
<v Speaker 3>go actually patch this damage that I caused when I

835
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 3>killed Bob, and then I'm just gonna saunter away and

836
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>hope no one ever knows.

837
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I.

838
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Feel like she's eluding that maybe he was actually fixing

839
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the house while she was standing there.

840
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know, Like she said when he went

841
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 2>upstairs for a few minutes, I don't know if like

842
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 2>she was kind of employing that he just took those

843
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>few minutes to patch up a hole in the wall

844
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.079
<v Speaker 2>or something that was signed a foul play. But this

845
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 2>seems weird that he would be so brazen to do

846
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 2>this just hang around the house for three hours while

847
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Agnes is there, because you would think that maybe he

848
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 2>would try to tell her, Oh, Bob wanted me to

849
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you that he doesn't want you cleaning the house today.

850
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>After all, you should probably leave, and that he wouldn't

851
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 2>be able to remain so cool and calmed if he

852
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>had just committed a crime and there was another person

853
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 2>in the house while he was trying to clean up.

854
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 3>That's what I think as well. And again, like you said,

855
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 3>if they thought this through and they can't find his body,

856
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 3>then what are you going to do. It's worth killing

857
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 3>him and waiting five years or several years for this

858
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 3>to get resolved. It's more likely Bob would pass away

859
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 3>within five years than to wait for his money. And

860
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 3>also I think they would have been more likely to

861
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 3>strong arm Fontelle and no, don't let her in this house.

862
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Call and tell her she is not welcome here. He's missing.

863
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 3>You cannot come and keep her at an arm's length

864
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 3>if you had something to do with his death as well.

865
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Agnes also made sure to point out how unusual she

866
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>found it when she noticed that Bob's bed was unmade,

867
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>as she'd been cleaning his house for over ten years

868
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>at that point, and it was apparently very out of

869
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>character for him not to make his bed before the

870
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 1>middle of the afternoon. So, even though Jeff maintained that

871
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>everything was fine when he left the house at two forty,

872
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 1>could this unmade bed indicate that something happened to Bob

873
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the previous evening or early that morning. While a number

874
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of phone calls were made from Bob's residence that day,

875
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 1>and investigators seized the records, but they have not released

876
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>any specific information about them. Details are a bit fuzzy,

877
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>but multiple sources have stated that Bob's call to Agnes,

878
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>in which he asked her to come by his house

879
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 1>to clean it, took place earlier that same morning. If true,

880
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>then this would help establish a window of how much

881
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>time there was between when Bob was last confirmed to

882
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 1>be alive and when he was discovered to be missing

883
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>just after three pm. Another point in Jeff's favor is

884
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that a search of his vehicle turned up no forensic

885
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>evidence to suggest a body had ever been in there

886
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>before all we know, someone else could have used their

887
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>own vehicle to move Bob's body. Well, Jeff remained at

888
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the house, cleaning up or making repairs. Investiators did confirm

889
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that they performed a search of the house following Bob's disappearance,

890
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>but have never released any details about what they may

891
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 1>or may not have found. Look, I'm not saying that

892
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Jeff is guilty or anything, as he may very well

893
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 1>be telling the complete truth. But if Jeff is being truthful,

894
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>then it's hard to imagine what could have happened to

895
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.679
<v Speaker 1>make Bob disappear within that half hour window between when

896
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Jeff went to home depot and Agnes showed up, particularly

897
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>since this was broad daylight and none of the neighbors

898
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>reported seeing or hearing anything out of the ordinary.

899
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that timeline actually does make things a little bit

900
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 3>more confusing, because Bob always made his bed when he

901
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 3>got up, Well, why didn't he make it that day?

902
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 3>By two point forty he was still there supposedly, So

903
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it's not what I was thinking that maybe he jumped

904
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 3>up in a rush that morning called Agnes said get

905
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.719
<v Speaker 3>over here. I got a couple of things I gotta do,

906
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 3>and he's running around town or going to neighbors houses

907
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 3>or things like that to get things right. It's that

908
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.960
<v Speaker 3>he was there all day, why didn't he make his

909
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 3>bed like usual? And why if he wasn't in a hurry,

910
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.679
<v Speaker 3>why didn't he grab his glasses and those kinds of things.

911
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.519
<v Speaker 3>So it does kind of make some of the behaviors

912
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 3>that Agnes, who knew him quite well and knew his

913
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 3>intimate home, picked up on. It makes that seem a

914
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit more odd. If supposedly this disappearance happened later

915
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 3>in the afternoon, the fact that the.

916
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Front door was locked when Agnes arrived does seem to

917
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 2>point away from the idea of a forcible abduction. If

918
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>something did take place, it may have involved Bob leaving

919
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the residence in a vehicle with someone he knew and trusted,

920
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>which did not attract any attention. Regardless of whether Bob

921
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.559
<v Speaker 2>was abducted or someone killed him at the house and

922
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>staged his disappearance, it's very odd that his wallet and

923
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 2>keys would be missing, but his eyeglasses were left behind.

924
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Every single photo we've see Bob shows him wearing his glasses,

925
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 2>so I have to assume that he really needed them.

926
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 2>The problem is that there's virtually no physical evidence to

927
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 2>work with, and while I get the impression that investigators

928
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 2>might have their own ideas about what happened to Bob,

929
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 2>they likely don't have any proof to back it up. Now,

930
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the one point which we previously brought up to dispute

931
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 2>the idea that Bob was murdered for his inheritance is

932
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 2>that without a body, he was technically just a missing person,

933
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 2>so the responsible parties would have had to have waited

934
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>at least five years until they received any money. However,

935
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that this wasn't a premeditated murder, but rather

936
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 2>a situation where Bob got into a heated dispute with

937
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 2>someone which turned violent and led to him accidentally being killed. Remember,

938
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 2>even though Bob's daughters have always maintained that they reconciled

939
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>their differences during their final meeting with them the day

940
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>before he went missing, Vontelle claimed that Bob still seemed

941
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to be perturbed about the situation when she spoke to

942
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 2>him on the phone that night. So if these issues

943
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>were not resolved and someone paid made Bob a visit

944
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the following day, I could see things escalating out of

945
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>control and the responsible party disposing of Bob's body in

946
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a panic. After all, since Fontel was scheduled to arrive

947
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 2>in two days, this would have been one of the

948
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>last opportunities the family had to resolve the situation while

949
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Bob was alone in his house.

950
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 4>That's very true.

951
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't thinking about that because the girls were together

952
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 3>during the argument where they all left fine. But then

953
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.559
<v Speaker 3>the next day, Jeff is there doing something for Bob.

954
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 3>And is it possible that there was a follow up

955
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.719
<v Speaker 3>to that argument with one of the sisters with Jeff

956
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 3>and one of the sisters, is it possible there was

957
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 3>another incident that only one of them was involved in, and

958
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 3>therefore the other girls would not know that that meeting

959
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 3>had taken place.

960
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's cercially possible. If there was, I'd be

961
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>more inclined to think that the perpetrator was Julie because

962
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 2>then her own husband would help her cover it up.

963
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And I mentioned earlier that when they did the disappeared

964
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>at so A couple of years later, Roberta and Paula

965
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>were interviewed on the episode, but Julie and Jeff were not,

966
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't really being their guilty of anything, But

967
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I can also understand why they would be less inclined

968
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 2>to want to talk to a camera in front of

969
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 2>a camera if they covered something up.

970
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 1>However, we must reiterate that investigators have never openly indicated

971
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that they consider anyone from Bob's family to be a suspect,

972
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>as it seems like most of the suspicion directed against

973
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>them has come from online sleuths who are not privy

974
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to the full facts. At one point, Roberta stated that

975
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 1>she was reluctant to talk to the media because she

976
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>felt that she'd been unfairly represented in the past. So

977
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 1>perhaps some unjust suspicion has been placed on Bob's family.

978
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.519
<v Speaker 1>What we know Jeff's whereabouts on the afternoon Bob went missing,

979
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.159
<v Speaker 1>It's never been publicly released. What kind of alibis the

980
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 1>three daughters might have had that day. I'm not sure

981
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>where Paula and Roberta were living at that time, but

982
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Julie and Jeff lived in Running Spring, which is located

983
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>over sixty miles away from Placentia. And while we might

984
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.199
<v Speaker 1>be reading too much into this, the reporting about the

985
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>two persons of interest who were detained in twenty nineteen

986
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>described them as quote unquote local residents, which implies that

987
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>they lived in Placentia. Again, we don't know the identities

988
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>of these two people, and if it might be some

989
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 1>combination of Jeff, Julie, Paula or Roberta. Hell, even if

990
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>they were seemingly cleared as suspects, there's been speculation that

991
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>these two individuals might have been Josie and her husband.

992
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 1>It's certainly possible that Bob was murdered over his inheritance,

993
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>but for all we know, perhaps this ankle is completely

994
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>unrelated to the situation, and there's just a piece of

995
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the puzzle that we're missing here very much.

996
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, think about this. It could be Josie and

997
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 3>her husband, because if he said you have to pay

998
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 3>me back. What if that was not the agreement, like

999
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 3>I said earlier, what if Josie was like.

1000
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding? That was a gift you gave to me.

1001
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not paying you back. But then there's a lot

1002
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 3>of pressure and worry that he's going to make me

1003
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.039
<v Speaker 3>pay him back. Eighty six thousand dollars for someone who

1004
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 3>was struggling financially, could be a reason just to keep

1005
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 3>him quiet. Also, what about one of those people that

1006
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 3>he had a ledger of people he did help or

1007
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.920
<v Speaker 3>loan out or do business deals with. What if one

1008
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Speaker 3>of them didn't want to or couldn't pay him back

1009
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 3>and felt like they were having their back pushed against

1010
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 3>the wall and had to keep him quiet or get

1011
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.599
<v Speaker 3>rid of him so that they did not owe him.

1012
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.440
<v Speaker 3>It's very possible that it's something like that, where I

1013
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 3>don't care about your money you have now I'm trying

1014
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 3>to get myself out of owing you anything back or

1015
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 3>having to repay you for something.

1016
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.480
<v Speaker 2>That's true. We don't have any information about Bob having

1017
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 2>loaned money to anyone else, but he has been reported

1018
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 2>as a guy who stringely kept track of his finances

1019
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and would require people to pay interest when they paid

1020
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the loan back, even if it was members of their

1021
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>own family. So it is possible that it is financially related,

1022
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>but it involves a person who has not yet been

1023
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 2>mentioned yet in any of the versions of this story.

1024
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>So cases in which elderly people are victimized are always tragic,

1025
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's incredibly heartbreaking when it involves someone like Bob,

1026
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 2>who suffered a terrible tragedy with the loss of his wife,

1027
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>spent a year mired in depression, but then an unexpected

1028
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>event allowed him to regain his happiness and he was

1029
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:18.159
<v Speaker 2>prepared to spend the last chapter of his life with

1030
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 2>someone he loved before it was all taken away from him.

1031
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 2>It's possible that law enforcement has a pretty good idea

1032
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and happened and just needs that one final piece of

1033
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>evidence to close this case. But Bob definitely deserves justice.

1034
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>So if you happen to have any information about the

1035
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.679
<v Speaker 2>unsolved disappearance of Bob Herod, please contact the Placentia Police

1036
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Department at seven one four nine nine three eight one

1037
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>sixty four at seven one four, nine nine three eight

1038
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>one sixty four Jules Ashley, any final thoughts in this case?

1039
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh, this one's just sad.

1040
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 3>You have a family who's already grieved, their anticipating you know,

1041
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:00.119
<v Speaker 3>they've already lost their mother. They're grieving this idea. Their

1042
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 3>dad's getting older, they're worried that he's getting taken advantage of.

1043
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to protect him and their future. You have

1044
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.719
<v Speaker 3>a woman who is reconnected with a literally just a

1045
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 3>young love and this kind of fantasy of what their

1046
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 3>life could have been like with a man who also

1047
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.920
<v Speaker 3>was lonely and wanted a partner, and after sixty some

1048
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 3>odd years they reconnect with the help of their children

1049
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 3>and get married suddenly and quickly, because.

1050
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 4>We don't have time to waste.

1051
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:33.199
<v Speaker 3>And in the end, two days before she's supposed to

1052
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 3>move out with him, he just disappears, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>no answers, I think for everyone you know. Unfortunately, his

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00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 3>new bride is also deceased, and so there isn't getting

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00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.280
<v Speaker 3>her any answers or any kind of justice for her.

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<v Speaker 4>But the children are still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>He has many generations who want answers in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, without knowing what happened to Bob, it's possible

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<v Speaker 3>that someone caused him harm and therefore or at large

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<v Speaker 3>in the community, which should worry everybody. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>just one of those, like you said, you could start

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00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 3>and spend three fourths of this case talking about romance

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00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and love and grief and his family trying to rebuild,

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00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden you find out Bob's

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<v Speaker 3>gone and maybe was harmed by someone. It's a really bizarre,

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<v Speaker 3>tragic turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the lost love angle of Bob and Fontelle and

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<v Speaker 1>how they really just missed each other and how they

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of blocked from having that life together, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had this beautiful life with Georgia and they had

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<v Speaker 1>these three daughters. And then when we look at what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Bob, it seems that there's multiple people who

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<v Speaker 1>could have had a motive to murder him. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, most of those people, except

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<v Speaker 1>for Josie, would have wanted his body to be found

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<v Speaker 1>so that then his will would pay out, right, his

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00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 1>estate could pay out, they could settle all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it makes me more inclined to believe that there's

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<v Speaker 1>either some missing variable of these two people are just

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<v Speaker 1>two people that we don't know, or that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be Josie and her husband, but they seem to have

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00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 1>been cleared. But I do think there's a possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>could be Julie and her husband, or maybe her husband

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00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.400
<v Speaker 1>acted alone, maybe he confronted Bob and it was an

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00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 1>accident and then they were playing They just had to

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00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 1>play catch up and did this cleanup, and maybe somebody

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00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.679
<v Speaker 1>else helped them dispose of the body, and that's why

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00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>there was no forensic evidence in his vehicle. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe strongly any one of those theories because I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't think that we have enough information to truly

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<v Speaker 1>have me lean one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely agree. Yeah, I remember hearing about this

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00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 2>case even before it was featured on Disappeared, because I

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00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 2>know there were lengthy discussions about it on the web

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00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 2>slues forum, and the majority of the suspicion was directed

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<v Speaker 2>at Bob's daughters. But even though it would makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>that perhaps they killed him to inherit his estate, we've

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<v Speaker 2>already expressed our skepticism that all three three of them

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00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.519
<v Speaker 2>would be willing to go through with it together and

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00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 2>keep their mouths shut. So it makes you wonder could

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00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it just be one of them, Could it be two

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00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of them? Could it possibly be Jeff doing it alone

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00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and maybe his wife and the other daughters don't even

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00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.480
<v Speaker 2>know about it. There's just a number of different possibilities,

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<v Speaker 2>But like you said, no hard evidence pointing towards any

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00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:21.079
<v Speaker 2>of them. But I still get the impression that police

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00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 2>have their own ideas about what happened. They have two

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00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.920
<v Speaker 2>persons of interest in mind, but just don't have enough

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00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:30.239
<v Speaker 2>proof to file any charges. And there's just a lot

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00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that they're not releasing to the public in order to

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00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 2>protect the integrity of the investigation. The one thing I

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00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 2>do believe is that it wasn't Fontel. I don't think

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00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.159
<v Speaker 2>she had any knowledge or involvement in Bob's disappearance. We

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00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 2>already talked about how that's the most heartbreaking part about

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00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 2>this story is the whole heartwarming lost love angle where

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00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>him and Fontel married after reconciling for the first time

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00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>in over sixty years and seemed destined to live out

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00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a very happy rest of their days before a major

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00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.079
<v Speaker 2>tragedy took place, and we still don't have any answers

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<v Speaker 2>all these years later, and who knows, maybe we just

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00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 2>need someone to come forward and give that one piece

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00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of evidence, that one missing piece of the puzzle to

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<v Speaker 2>resolve this case and finally make an arrest, because bob

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00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.679
<v Speaker 2>loved ones have just gone way too long without any

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00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>conclusive answers and he definitely deserves justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

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