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you doing, man?
Speaker 2: I'm doing doing it all.
Speaker 6: Dude, I'm doing too. As everyone knows who I've talked
to in the last three days. I went through uh Airport. Hell,
I did not get my burger king crown, but I
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keep one in the back pocket. It's gonna come up.
Speaker 6: Well, it's one of those things where it's like, look,
I get it, you're probably in a similar boat. You're
more disagreeable than the average person, right sure, And so
just the whole conceit of air travel, which is like
you are human cattle, I find irritating. I also find
it doubly so when it's like, oh, yeah, no, we
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thinking that was actually that we made a deal and
that then we would keep that deal.
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to get into annoying airport conversations, which is just low,
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah it is. I think it's the platonic
solid of podcasting is and even.
Speaker 6: Before that, right, it's like the platonic h platonic form
of like low rent stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah well okay, so but that's also I mean, we
podcasting as it exists right now would not exist without
Mark Marin, And I think that that bloodline runs pure
right there. We know exactly how it got from one
to the other.
Speaker 6: Fair and honestly it seems to be a even diagram
with exact actly one circle on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Have you ever gone to like the the podcast like
they're equivalent of the Top forty?
Speaker 2: No, not for years and years, like not, since it's
a physical iPod was in my hand.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well say, I don't use you know, Apple, I don't.
I try to avoid any sort of like feed, you know,
for schizophrenic reasons. But uh, it's kind of fascinating because
it's like, you know, you you or I might recognize
like two guys on there, like okay, you know Joe Rogan,
Tucker Carlson, maybe a few people from the news. You'd
be like, all right, like the New York Times. That
makes sense. The rest of them is what I assume
are fake celebrities.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like pumped like talent agency stuff,
you know people who.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and these people ostensibly and who knows if
the numbers are fake make like crazy crazy money, and
some of them you might like you would reckon, like
uh like uh, comedy actor Dax Shephard. It's apparently like
one of the top three biggest podcasts in America.
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I've heard the name, but I
have no idea what this person's face looks like.
Speaker 6: Uh he was in Idiocracy. Uh like that that's the
level of actor he is. Okay, you know, like was
in a couple comedies you might have seen, sure twenty
years ago. But somehow this person is is still famous
and uh to go to tinfoil hat. Guess who owns
his podcast network?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Who Bill Gates? Okay, well, guess who took this guy
on like an all expade. All excuse me, I've been
up for a crazy amount of time, all expenses paid
tour of the world where they were just his little
like Jester goblins. It was also Bill Gates.
Speaker 2: Okay, well sure, yeah, so all right, but this all right,
So a lot of the well a lot of the
silly things around uh entertainment that come off very conspiracy
theory is to people who've never worked in entertainment are
actually really boring kind of things that that seemed mysterious
from the outside and like backroom cabal stuff. But it's not.
It's it's literally a lot of it really comes down to, like, hey, uh,
one time Bill Gates went to a show of his
and then went, oh, I really like this guy, and
then that was it, and was like, oh, do you
want to like that was really funny. I'm going to
do this and I want to show you to my friends. Like, Okay,
were you have you ever done like in person show
business stuff like life show at a place?
Speaker 6: No, actually I've not, Okay, although I lived with the
sound engineer who was always okay okay, So with real roommates, okay, sure, sure, sure, okay.
There's a lot of just green room stuff that happens
where you run into people, and you run into people
that are tangentially like if somebody is a big deal,
they do tend to just get backstage everywhere because it's
Bill Gates. What are you gonna tell Bill Gates he
can't go backstage like the owner of the club. If
he wanted to, he could just buy the whole club.
Speaker 2: So what the fuck do you mean? You know, like,
if he wants to go backstage, he's gonna go backstage.
And then if he hangs out and he likes you, well,
now you're hanging out with like one of the richest
people on the planet. And then the next thing, you know.
I mean, if somebody calls you and says, hey, I
want to uh, I'm going to Europe and there are
fourteen seats on my plane and only six of them
are spoken for, what are you doing for the next
three months? Your answer is probably like, if you don't
have like a regular boring guy job and you're in
creative field somewhere, it's very easy to go, oh, well,
I'm on your plane. That's where I am. I'm gonna
go with Bill Gates, you know, and regardless of everybody
knowing now what an absolute monster he almost certainly is.
Like I wasn't there for any of it. I don't
know personally, but everybody is at least aware of, like, oh,
there's some really spooky stuff around Bill Gates. It's not
just the guy that makes windows. But try to remember,
you know, in two thousand and four, it was all
the way in the most tinfoil territory to be like, oh,
he's not like successful computer guy, he's the devil.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: So if they met way back when, it's like that's
when he was getting movie deals. And then Bill Gates, wait,
oh you make me laugh, Let's go do this and
I guess you go, you know.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, you know that's You're entirely correct about that,
and you know, of course right, like Bill Gates is
a is a sinister character, but it's always interesting to
me this sort of figures like him and Klaus Schwab.
That's sort of home like boogeymen, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ghey man status instead of just dude who
things happened around status, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is a much less interesting title to to
tell all expose exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Like there are people who I'm pretty sure, you know,
I hear him talk and I go, oh, that one's
fucking evil. I know that Hillary Clinton is every last
molecule in her body. She's evil, definitely. I'm very comfortable
knowing that I can say that, and I don't feel
like I'm lying. I feel like Bill Gates is not
as evil like in his soul as Hillary Clinton is.
I think that he's done more. He's done big things
that will be used evilly, but that's kind of like
a secondary consequence. I feel like somebody actually convinced him
it was a good idea to eat the bugs, not
that he he was sitting there going like I wonder
if I could make poor people eat bugs, haha. You
know Hillary Clinton was like, I wonder if I could
make poor people eat bugs, This is gonna be great.
So that's a big difference. That's a big difference in
in where it comes from.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and to that point, right, the Ford
Foundation is a similar favorite right of people connecting lines.
But you know, if you read about why the Ford
Foundation was, you know, set up one, we can go
back to the root of almost all modern ills. Fdr Right, Okay,
who had these kind of extremely you know, draconian state laws.
And so the Ford family is like, h shoot, we
don't want to just give this all to the government,
so I guess we just set up a foundation. Yeah,
And his son was like, well, of course, like I
you know, I'm from Detroit, I'm from Michigan. I like
that place. I can't use all this money. I have
to use it for charity. So like, I'm gonna do that.
And you know, he ends up seeding control just because
it starts to get big and hard to manage. And
by the end of his life he's like, this thing
has been taken over by insane people who were doing
all sorts of sinister stuff. Okay, you know he was
a you know, a fairly normal guy by the standards
of you know, mid twentieth century industrialist, you know, who
didn't want all of the sinister stuff the Ford Foundation
was doing going on. But like, what option did he have?
Like he had the same name as the foundation, but like, yeah,
it wasn't his money anymore. Like he sat on the board,
But like what does that get you? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I always got It's one of the
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people say that every American is sort of a temporarily
embarrassed millionaire waiting to happen. You know, Yeah, I think
I think One of the things that has bothered me
about that always is that, oh my god, let's say
everything does work out someday I'm gonna die. When how
do I not let whatever happens next just eat alive
anything I ever accomplished. And when I hear about like,
oh yeah, the Ford Foundation, how did that go wrong? Well,
you set up there's just no like good legal, unassailable
fortress where you can say, all right, I want to
do here's my life's work, and I want to do
this with my life life's work, and I want to
make sure that whatever the machine is that I've made
out of it keeps running. And that's the only thing
that anybody's allowed to interact with regarding the machine. Otherwise
the machine has to run until it runs out, you know.
And there's just no good way to do that. And
if I talk about this too like a well to
any lawyer, they just look at me.
Speaker 6: Like, what do you mean, No, that's not a thing
that's never just ask me to commit commit tax fraud?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, and I'm not even saying tax fraud,
like I understand the government's going to do everything in
their power to to disempower other giants right, if you're
Henry Ford's a giant of industry, right, how are you
gonna what are you gonna do to unseat Henry Ford? Well,
you got to take little bites out of everything he
leaves behind forever. And okay, fine, you don't want to, Like,
I still don't actually know if Henry Ford is a
as a genius who revolutionized industry, including like, you know,
everybody's mad at Henry Ford for the forty hour work week,
and then somebody else goes, well, no, dude, it used
to be the eighty hour work week, and he made
it forty hours, like as a nice thing, like as
that was a luxury thing to have a forty hour
work week instead of just until you fall over.
Speaker 6: That's what European socialists had been arguing for for like
one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and so it's been one hundred years. I
don't know which part is actually which. And it's like
the medieval peasant argument also, where it supposedly like, oh
my god, they had so many holidays and they had
such a wonderful full life of you know, family and
community and friend or whatever, and then they're only really, gosh,
the backbreaking labor is only like sixty days out of
the year and the rest of the time is like
kind of whatever, and it's like, I don't know about
that man. That doesn't sound right, that doesn't seem like
the kind of thing. What do they do the other
three hundred days?
Speaker 6: So so several things on that front. One on this
topic buddy of mind Johann's Johann Kers, who's much more
genteel and well spoken than I am, wrote a book
on this, Leaving a Legacy, where he basically talks about
like how people have done this? Okay, what are the barriers?
And it's kind of interesting because his his basic point
is that nepotism is a syop. He says it in
a more elegant, genteel way, but his whole point is like, Okay, obviously,
you know you don't want to select your fail son
to run the company business, but if you have a
failed son, that's on you, right right, Yeah, And so
he goes through you know how these institutions progressed in
a previous era or even still now right in a
way that you know, keeps the family farm together. It's
an interesting book, well written, but it also reminds me
of James Burnham in the thirties wrote this book, The
Managerial Revolution, which incidentally was the George Orwell read it
and was so freaked out that he wrote nineteen before, oh,
like this is horrifying. But point is Burnham was basically
looking at what was happening in the US in the thirties,
what was happening in Russia, and what was happening in
you know, in Germany, and he was basically saying like, oh,
this is a new system, which you know he titled
you know, managerialism.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: His point was basically like whether it's like joint stock
ownership or like a command economy, they kind of all
do the same thing. And he used Ford as a
as an example where he was like, look like now
that you have stock, where like everyone can own a
little piece of Ford, the guy named Ford doesn't matter anymore, right,
Like he's not the King of Ford in the way
that you know Henry was. And I think that you're
you're kind of right to draw that parallel between like
the you know, serfs and like a worker in one
of his factories, because it's like it's kind of what
the relationship was, like he just owned it, like he
was a king. And you know, the lucky thing was
that Henry Ford seemed to you know, want sort of
a bare minimum standard for you know, his guys, right,
like they still have all these coo old homes built
a hundred years ago, that Henry Ford, because he was like,
I'm richer than God. You need a place to live,
so you know, I'll help you killed one. And it's like, okay,
does that mean like Henry Ford was, you know, the
nicest guy with like the perfect you know, like care
for every one of his workers.
Speaker 2: No, of course not.
Speaker 6: But like you compare that to like, you know, faceless
modern globocorp and you're like, ah, well, you know, maybe
we're not free, but it's better than nothing, right.
Speaker 2: Well, And I wonder about the whole free thing too,
because if I try to pay attention to uh or
I guess the better way to say, I try to
discover what is the naturally occurring crystalline form of culture
if it were you know, like you know, elements like
to take a particular crystal shape when they make crystals,
you know, you look at them molecularly and they oh,
it's disrepeating shape. That's how they arrange. Well, I think
people do that too. I think there's a in tropically
correct method of arrangement. And I think that king Ford
and a bunch of serfs is much closer to the
correct arrangement than stocks and bonds, you know, I think.
And I'm not saying that it's exactly correct, because I
don't know that there's no way to know that, but
I am saying it's it sure seems to have like
less thermal loss, you know, it's actually less exploitable.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, well, And that's the sort of interesting
thing about it, right, is like you know what I'm
saying free, it's kind of in scare quotes, right, because
pretty much every Western culture has talked about being free.
But like when the gulls are rebelling against Caesar to
be free, it's like their version of it is a
guy from one of our tribes controls this land, not
necessarily that like the average living conditions for any random
person are going to change, you know, it's like self
rule or even like and this is the thing that
really rubs me the wrong way about a lot of
conservatives is like they have this vision of what like
the Founding Fathers were that's just completely a historical. You know.
It's like sure, in like the seventeen eighties there were
blasphemy laws and they'd kill you for sodomy, you know, right,
Like it's not sort of like a modern conception of that. Yeah,
and it sorry finished that.
Speaker 2: The modern definition of sodomy is not even what we're
talking about there. That's that's any act, any sexual act
not aimed at procreation that counts as sodomy at the time.
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can't you shouldn't be chopping her into pieces for it.
You know, it's a total package. It's a total package.
Speaker 6: And I think that going back to your point about
like what's the sort of natural crystalline state of man? Yeah,
that premise in itself is kind of a controversial one
when you think about it, because like that assumes several things, right,
One that there is there's such a thing as as
human nature like people. You can make that kind of
statistical claim, right, right, But also your second point about
the thermal loss, it's like, well, okay, and this is
a claim I agree with man, but it's like there
is that means that like there you have to run
that into your analysis of like, okay, does this system function?
Because I think about that a lot with like you know,
whether you want to look at the kind of like
quote unquote boom or worldview and they they they didn't
invent it. They are just the kind of current standard bearers.
But it's like if your view is that the single
kind of like the that the I guess you would say,
like the the sorry I've been out for like thirty
six hours, as I you're good, good long airplane. The
variable you're looking to maximize is like your personal comfort.
That's a great system. Right, But if you are also considering,
oh wait, we've got to keep playing this game past
one turn, right, we yes, spend it all down, We're screwed. Yeah, well,
all of a sudden you have to start looking at
other stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have like one video on my YouTube channel,
and it's just it's on the idea of how to
decide what's right and wrong? First of all, making the
claim that there is such a thing as right, and
that thus there's also such a thing as wrong. Right.
I understand this is apparently controversial, but the and trying
to decide how would you even determine that right? Because
everybody wants to make these kind of things relative. Oh oh, well,
you know, in this culture, it's not wrong to cut
a guy's hands off for shoplifting. In that culture over there,
it's not wrong to you know, scald a woman's face
because she looked at you wrong or whatever. Okay, sure,
but that obviously those are there's conflicting statements unright and wrong. Okay,
And if you're trying to make a program for something
and you have a bunch of conflicting statements, it won't work.
It'll crash. Right, and everyone seems to insist on a
tower of babbling everything. Now where Okay, if we're going
to have this global economy and we're going to have
interactions between if I have to talk to someone from
another side of the planet who has no concept of
my daily life and I have no concept of their
daily life, this is going to create too much friction.
Bad shit's gonna happen, right, So what do you do
about that? And if you can determine a like an
actual universal right and wrong, then that solves the problem,
right if you leave it not relative? So how do
you do that? And the only thing I could think of,
the only like universal constant that it made sense to
measure against, was it was entropy. Right. It was how
quickly does it fall apart against an infinite scale of time? Right?
And so the more things that are, the less energy
you have to put in it for the longer that
it lasts for it to just work. Right. In the meanwhile,
that's going to be the right thing, and it's going
to be a very very slim margin, and it's going
to have to be exactly the right thing to do it.
Like even just the concept of for me to take
the next action I can't die, right, Well, there's a
very tiny sliver of a very tiny planet around a
very tiny star in a giant universe where I can
do that, right, And so that's the scale you're up
against when you're trying to figure right and wrong or
what the the right thing would be. And so it
sort of becomes imperative that you figure out like, hey,
what's the thing that I can what's the thing that's
actually going to be the least wrong, you know, And
so in this case, talking about like trying to arrange
us any sort of society question against that backdrop, that
seems like the only possible test if that makes a way.
Speaker 6: And it can lead you to some uncomfortable, uncomfortable conclusions
if you take those super out right yes, like hey,
you know, maybe if we all just live around a
river and find some guy we say is like the
sun of the like celestial sun, and just have a
bunch of slaves, right, because you look at Egypt and
you're like, well, you know, it lasted for a really
long time.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: Obviously there's like a technical level to that as well,
which is like okay, you know they didn't have you know,
goon caves, but like.
Speaker 2: I bet they had a couple of goon caves. Man,
I bet there were some the the Egyptian goon cave.
I need somebody, somebody has to go make Egyptian cave simulator.
After this, it's gotta be Yeah, there's gonna be some
of these burial sites that were not burial sites. Bro,
do not open those jars.
Speaker 6: It just had like a David Carrodye moment, and they
were just like, all right, we just have to box
and then here it's too embarrassing. This is my favorite.
This is my new ancient aliens there.
Speaker 2: Hell, yes, okay that And by the way, yes, in
eight years, somebody's gonna be saying this like it's serious
because we've spoke it into being right here, that's it.
Speaker 6: First first is podcast that is reality?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well, I have a really bad habit of
saying something off the dome and then it turns out
later to be way truer than I meant for it
to be.
Speaker 6: Well, this is uh you know, honestly, this may explain
a media trope, right like in the old kind of
Universal Monsters, right like what does the mummy you want
to do? Well, he always goes for the damsel in distress, right,
and we assume, you know, because that the stated narratives, Oh,
he's looking to replace his queen, like in Brendan Fraser's
turn Out. You know, when when you've resurrected after a
you know, a four thousand year drive spell, dry spell
in your goon cave, you're ready to go. What I'm
saying is they're they're supporting evidence to this.
Speaker 2: You know that that recontextualizes every Mummy horror movie ever.
You know, my man is just that dried out. It's
the only moisture in the desert. What are you going
to do, deny Am.
Speaker 6: You uh put stuff Jones joke in there. We're not
going to for it, Okay, But yeah, man, It's it's
one of those things too, where like because you you
talk to people or you listen to people, you know,
talk about you know, politics or culture or whatever, and
the thing that often strikes me is that it's it's
very like, it's very short term. You know, it's about like, oh,
you know, what is this person doing or saying, and
that that's the kind of stuff that actually will drive
you insane in the short term, because it's like it
will It's like the dumbest sitcom in the world, but
that kind of like you know, real civilizational question is
something that I, you know, I do think about because
like you take that, we'll just use the like the
shorthand of like you know, the boom or worldview where
it's basically like the point of your life is self expression.
You know. You see this in like the uh, what's
the Robin Williams movie about being at a private school,
Dead Poet Society, or like John Lennon's Imagine Yeah right,
and okay, yeah, sure. Those are just you know, those
are just random pieces of media, but they speak to
kind of a broader cultural narrative about like why you're here,
you know, like what your purpose is. And it's sort
of like and you see this in Europe and you're
seeing it more and more in America that the ultimate
conclusion is just to make every country into a massive
nursing home. Yeah, where it's like you exist for as
long to have as many like approximately enjoyable experiences in
your life. And it's like, yeah, sure, okay, if if
like that's your goal, that's like two steps off from like,
you know, the Matrix are like the most dystopian sci
fi thing imaginable.
Speaker 2: What's the word they're using instead of life span. They've
been saying something like like quality span or some of this.
I don't I don't remember now, but I know there's
a new there's some stupid euphemism that they're talking about
where instead of because that's not an exaggeration for you
to say they're turning everything into a they're turning everything
into a nursing home that they are nobody Nobody just
sails off into the distance for one last hurrah to
try and get a seat at Odin's table. It's just
like they just they just, oh can I can I
goon cave for you know, twenty more days? And it's
crazy to me, that's that that sucks so much. That
sucks more than almost anything. But that's exactly what they're doing.
End of life care is the like number one expense
in America.
Speaker 6: I think, well, honestly, man, So look, I worked in
the medical industry for like a year and a half.
I was vendor side, but I was in and out
of all these hospital systems, right or like two Yeah,
several things. One be a hospitals are a crime against humans.
And I mean that guinely like they're they're horrific, but
secondary you know that point you mentioned earlier about like
you know, the system basically exists to sort of return
you to nothing. You know, that is literally what hospice
is now. There are tables allegedly that literally determine how
much they can squeeze out of you over the course
of your life, and they are always trying to optimize
that so that you die basically at zero. I've extracted everything,
and that offsets a lot of the other parts of
the hospital. So it's not just like the hospice network,
it is like the whole thing is depending on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the this is this is the discussion on
the plane from fight Club by the way, right, like
just that, Yeah, okay, if you want to make the
most luxurious medical machine that has ever existed work, I'm
going to need all your fucking line, right, And I
get that. But the thing is like you're actually not
supposed to do that. So one of the things that
I've said that has made everyone hate me, and I
get it. It's it's very cantankerous for me to say.
But like you mentioned VA hospitals, and I think the
number one problem with all of the veterans affair system
is that none of these concepts make any sense when
you have this many surviving veterans, like the form of warrior,
like the warrior archetype. They're not supposed to make it
back this much, and so of course a system to
support veterans. And regardless of I understand there's a lot
of people cook in the books. I understand there's a
lot of people skimming. I understand there's a lot of
people conning and scamming and all this other stuff. But
even without all of that, I don't think there is
I don't think there's a way to do war and
warriors and then also have more than half of them
make it home and then not have this problem. I
think that's going to happen.
Speaker 6: You see the same thing with Social Security, right or
the NHS, where it's like these programs were designed for
a relatively short lived minority of the population. Right when
they set up Social Security, that number they was sixty
two back then, Yeah, fifty percent mortality. Right, only half
of people made it. Most who did weren't on it
for long. And that's a country with a much much
higher total fertility rate than we have now. So it's
a population pyramid, right, you could you could run what
was basically a pyramid scheme as long as you know
your inputs and outputs remained unchained.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the thing about pyramid schemes, isn't it that's
they work really cool? For a minute, they're so cool.
And for multi level marketing, oh man, I love some
multi level marketing. When I find a whole new town
of people who don't know what multi level marketing is,
I will make so much money.
Speaker 6: But you have you could see at least this is
basically how podcasts work. I know, we're on the ground
floor for five you know, these things happen the problem.
So this is another one of those platonic solids. Unfortunately,
I think because.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. Not everybody's supposed to make it,
and in the end nobody makes it, right, like everybody dies.
So in the meanwhile, there is going to be someone
who is the most entertaining, Right, There's gonna be somebody
who you like to spend your time hearing, and there's
gonna be somebody who you like what they have to say.
And if a hundred people are trying to do that,
it's not gonna be all one hundred of them. It's
gonna be one of them. And if there's one hundred
thousand people trying to do that, you're.
Speaker 6: Still gonna select Dax Shepherd.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna have to look this fucking guy
up now that you've said it, I'm not okay. So
for a guy who does like show business things, I
have always been really awful. I hate trying to I
don't like idolizing people, and so I don't know who
did anything. I just know what happened.
Speaker 6: Here's what I will say.
Speaker 2: I do not recognize this guy at all.
Speaker 6: The only reason I think it's weird is because he's
such a minor name, you know, like if it were like,
you know, some household name actor, Okay, like if Robert
de Niro, you know, was taking a break from impregnating
twenty six year old women to you know, to have
a podcast, you could at least get it right. You're like, Okay,
that's a famous guy that every.
Speaker 2: You know who would have been, you know, who would
have done a smoking hot podcast, Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, Orson Wells just completely obliterated drunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think didn't he wasn't that essentially what
he was doing. Didn't he get on to do War
of the World? And just isn't that it?
Speaker 6: You know, honestly, that should be on the Lifetime Achievement
Award for podcasters. Have you caused a local you know,
a local psychological event?
Speaker 2: Yes? That the Yeah, that's that's important. Uh, you know,
if if you're OSHI does not cause a complete crash
out in the entire town, Like why are they your oshi?
Speaker 6: I'm sure my my lawyer will regret this statement. Well,
but I'm not saying you guys should do anything.
Speaker 2: But okay, so in the interest of national security, I
think no, I could be wrong about that, so I try.
I have a pinned post on my Twitter that is
it is that you should never lie. You should always
tell the truth unless the way that you're lying is
supposed to be so obvious that the person you're lying
too is supposed to know that you're lying, and then
like act like you're lying, you know, like I'm still
I'm not actually hiding the lie from you. You're supposed
to know this, right, like, yeah, it's your fault if
you didn't. Yes, exactly, like this is actually we're being conspiratorial,
we're teaming up. I am lying so that you can
catch me. Don't fucking chill. It's all right, but like
I completely lost the train of thought as to why
I got there, unfortunately.
Speaker 6: Because I was somewhat jokingly encouraging my audience to.
Speaker 2: Yes. So I promise, I promise this will remain the
case on anything I'm a part of. I'm not going
to uh to act actually set up you know, war
of the world's crash out events.
Speaker 6: And that's why no one will remember your name?
Speaker 2: Well or am I still lying? Is the thing?
Speaker 6: So I will say here's the other thing. Very very
thinly veiled euphemisms, or we could say lies, are extraordinarily
helpful in the world of AI censorship because, for instance, yeah, right,
somewhat amazingly, my I am on YouTube. It's not I'm
mostly an audio guy, but I'll just throw it up
there because it's like, you know what, it's a backup.
They send me some money in the mail, like whatever. Sure,
the YouTube's way harsher about that. So I've had to
develop a series of the euphemisms.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So.
Speaker 6: For instance, you know, if if you're if you're doing
some noticing you're speculating about, you know, the ethnic background
of you know some some such, you know industry. Yeah,
you might notice that, Wow, there's a lot of Amish
guys here, right, yes, And it's like the audience knows,
but exactly if you if you say something more directly,
it's like, Oh, all of a sudden, I was gonna
say Susan, but I guess they've got an Indian fella
running YouTube now whose name I can shocking. But point is, yeah,
they'll get mad at you, and so it will. It's
funny enough. The New York Post does this right, my my, yeah,
an the source of news I ever read, where their
whole thing is. They'll be like, oh, you know a
subway nasty playing the Knockout?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, okay, So that's just the
New York Post euphemism game is so good and has
been for a really loved. What was the one today
or yesterday? Was it was like young bathers, there was
a there was a beach of shooting and so there
was young bathers or there was a beach going revelers
I saw, I think, and it's just like, all right, guys, no,
I understand Subway writers could be here right like that
meme has gotten so much mileage. I feel like the
New York Post offices such that they still exist. The
walls must be papered in the you know, excited youths
could be here, right like, there's just the whole wallpaper.
Is this dude putting gas in his car? There's nothing else?
Speaker 6: So one of my I love, you know, kind of
driving around the country. I'm a big kind of roadside
America enjoyer, Okay. And on twenty nine, just south of
Charlottesville in Virginia, there's a there's a gas station with
a decent piece of pizza place Doctor hose Pies and
a gas station is part of the same thing. And
this has been a fixture there for years now. It
might be the funniest thing ever. They have a board
full of you know, people who have been caught on
surveillance stealing from the store. And they have one with
just a rather corpulent woman stuffing a rotisserie chicken into
her coat. It just says chicken bandit on it.
Speaker 2: I hate chicken bandits. Chicken bandits could be here, dude,
they absolutely could be. It's every time, and I don't
the map is the map. I guess Virginia is still
close enough. I don't know, I why is it gotta be?
Although I will say I don't as much as I
hate uh, airplane travel, Okay, I don't. I don't like
being I also don't like buses, Okay, I don't like
any or trains for that matter, any any mode of conveyance.
Where I am in an enclosed space with ten or
more strangers over more than two hours. This is just
a wonderful recipe for somebody. There's just no way that
nobody in there sucks. You know, it's just my luck's
not that good. My luck has never been good enough
to have ten strangers in a room with me and
they're all great, you know.
Speaker 6: So and going back to conversations about about entropy, right,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, you know, as as modern
people were a little bit squeamish about you know, crime
and punishment. So we say, but.
Speaker 2: Where I mean some people are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we most are, I'll put it, you know, but
that is sort of one of those things where it's
like that public transportation fell to entropy. So yeah, yeah,
of course, it's like, you know, like that that tragic
woman or tragic you know video of that, you know,
poor Ukrainian woman getting you know, half like or like
just any random Tuesday whatever is going on in you know,
the New York City subway.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and that's just it, isn't it Like Arena
Arena Zarutska, Right, I'm I'm butchering the name, no pun intended,
but like the that was a perfect illustration of the problem.
But she's not a saint of that problem because it
happens all the time. It happens every day, and it's
completely intolerable. You'll never find me on a bus. You
simply will not find me on a bus. Right for
that reason, because any anything I ever would do to
protect myself or anyone else in the situation, I know
what happens to me regardless then, right, even if I
if I pull up like Superman, I'm done for still,
you know. And so it's just I can't be there,
and I can't let anyone that I care about be there,
And anybody who I would tangentially or even civilizationally care about,
I tell them not to go, don't be there. I
can't imagine why someone would subject themselves to New York City,
never mind the New York City subway. At least with
an airplane, there's a semblance of control. And like, if
the captain actually wants to throw you out of the
plane at thirty five thousand feet, he's under no legal
obligation not to. He can just do that. He's the
captain of the plane. They occupy a beautiful beacon, a
shining light of legal space where while the plane is
in the air. Whatever the fuck they say, that's what
they that's the law. They are the final law as
captain for the moment, right, So I would trust that
more than the bus driver who does not have this,
or the train conductor who does not have this, although
I would love to see. Ah, Jesus, if you're out
there and you would like to make a beautiful new tableau,
the next time that someone attacks someone on a train,
it's gotta happen. It's gonna happen. I know you have
one scheduled, Jesus, the next time someone attacks somebody on
a plane or a train, rather, uh, just have the
train conductor throw them out at speed, and everyone's gonna
feel a whole lot better about public transport.
Speaker 6: Well, honestly, antagonists, I think we should lean into this
more where every person who is declared to be a captain,
like of a shimp or whatever, it needs to dress
like sort of a Napoleonic era British naval officer and
have a cutlass and a flintlock at all times.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree, I will. I mean the flintlock's probably
not great. I mean, like with with that kind of
a closed space gladius, maybe a Gladius instead of Savor,
something short, thrusting, you know, but like I don't the
as fll as as far as Napoleonic dress. Yeah, man,
give me something with tails. Give me something with tails
on it, you know.
Speaker 6: And you know what if you act up on the flight,
if you don't have headphones, you're you're playing your music,
the captain comes back and it's just you know, a
drumhead court martial and you know, you walk the plank
or you know other adventure. I think this is it
would be a shining beacon of order in public transport.
Speaker 2: Would it would? And like that's why I'm saying, let's
let's let it be somebody who actually attacks someone, right,
It doesn't need to be somebody with who just you
know what I've had my headphones died in an opportune moment.
That's a shame, you know. Uh, but gosh, if you're
in somebody's face, I want like a claw machine claw
to grab you and chuck you out of the bus. Right, Like,
I don't, I don't need There doesn't need to be
anything else that happens yet, Like, obviously this is crazy.
We can't be in the room with this guy, you know,
so let's just can we put him on the bumper?
Can we just lash him to the bumper and and
complete the.
Speaker 6: Trip to tie him to the roof?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Time the roof so wet out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't see. It has never made any
sense to me, the amount of tolerance. I think tolerance,
which tolerance was sort of the mantra mantra of the
late nineties early two thousands. Everything was about tolerance. And
it occurred to me at one point that they don't
ever actually put it right next to tolerate. You know,
it's the same word, but they don't ever put them
right next to each other, and they don't use them
next to each other in a conversation. Well, you need
to tolerate that, No, you need to have more tolerance
because that makes it about you instead of what the
person who's actually acting is doing. You shouldn't tolerate any
of this, Like this is actually intolerable, as it turns out.
You can't have You can't have people swinging around on
the poles in the subway and then getting into a
fistfight with somebody. You can't tolerate that. It stops being
a subway car the second that somebody starts swinging around
the pole in the middle. It is no longer contextually
a subway car. It is no longer a method of conveyance.
At best, it's a surprise show. And maybe it's a
show you didn't mean to go to, almost certainly, and
then maybe it's a show you don't like, which, of
course it's not. And so now I didn't get it.
I never bought a ticket to that show. And so
now you have teleported me from the subway car to
a really awful show. Well that's I didn't give you
permission for that. And for a culture that is so
obsessed with consent to not draw the line for that,
how do you get to kidnapped me from my boring
subway ride and put me at a show I never
consented to that, and here we are, you know, and
it's physical. It's a physical imposition, you know. I don't
know how many have you ever had somebody like shadow
boxing at you. Have you ever had that?
Speaker 6: No, dude, I I had what Sam Hyde would refer
to as a self defense situation. A schizophrenic guy gave
me the old you know, zombie ray hands, and I,
you know, pulled out an implement of violence and he
ran away.
Speaker 2: Well good, I'm glad that I am actually glad that
everyone survived.
Speaker 6: That was my tip. I was like, awesome, perfect. And
then when it got to court, he was a great schizophrenic.
So the judge was like you good, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm good. Let's just leave. And that was that.
Speaker 2: I you know, one of the things about the implement
of violence laws that that happened. You know it you
end up with like a worse liability if you draw
and don't use it a lot of times. That's crazy
to me, that's bananas. And like it's up to the
judge to just be like is it pretty cool? But
if if the other guy's not, like, they can make
it a problem for you. Like oh, I had to
actually prepare myself to do irrevocable violence to defend myself,
and now I'm in trouble. That's a nonsense. That's obviously
nonsense law.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean the thing that I always think about, right,
is that infamous case of you know, Benny Yetts, right,
the subway shooting in eighty four. Yeah, where it's like,
you know, he gets he gets basically held up. He's
got a legal piece for whatever that means in nineteen
and you know, he beats the charges, but like they
levy a like absurd like forty three million dollars civil
judgment against him. It's just some guy with a job.
And like I mean, you know, the kind of echo
of that was you know Daniel Penny, right, yeah, who
like yeah, sure he skated, but.
Speaker 2: Like skating now that's not skating. No, he escaped, uh
you know appropriately, but you can't. They dragged him through
everything that's not skating. Would have been like Plansky skated,
that's skating, but like you can't. No, they they did
everything but actually set that dude on fire, and it
it's it's incredibly wrong to have happened, you know.
Speaker 6: Well, and it's again it's one of those things where
you see the the whole sort of perverse in sentence
where yeah, you know, say what you will and I
am not. I'm not maximally anti feminist, like you know
some of these guys where it's like that becomes an
entire personality. But like, if you assume that the stated
preferences of you know, our governments are correct, right, they'd
be really into protecting women because they talk about it
a lot. But like in a situation like that where
a guy is like, hey, you know, you're harassing a woman,
get your mets offer, like it's a race movie and
its it's like the entire state is like, yeah, let's
ruin that guy, Like, let's send him to like you
know that a bad place where he will get stabbed.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think I think bad anti feminism
is one of the things holding us all back the
most right now. Poor, Yeah, yeah, I think so, I am.
I Feminism is one of the worst ideas that we've
ever had. Right However, However, the way that people go
about what they think they're doing combating feminism is very dumb.
It doesn't get the job done, it's ineffective, and it
sort of instead it just makes a It makes an
exhibit for people to point to to say, oh, my goodness,
you see how barbaric it is to be against feminism.
Look at these creatures. Well, I my rudest take, my
rudest civilizational take, is if there's a way for you
to just put quotation marks on screen, because I don't
know what, I don't know how YouTube would react to this, Okay,
but it is women are not what a man thinks
of when they think of a person. Okay, the algorithm
you use in your head, no, no, just roll with me.
I take a okay, take the blank template of person. Okay,
and then what would you expect a person to do?
How would you expect a person to reason, or to
figure or to behave? And then you stand that up
against what a woman does, and everyone goes, oh my god,
why are women so crazy? These doesn't make any sense?
And it's like, well, because your model is not this right,
and I think that we do. There was somebody I
saw a while ago that was talking about how language
is shackles for your thinking because you get stuck on
words and then you think you know what they mean,
but it's not actually what they really mean. And then
you start thinking in the words, and so now you're
thinking is incomplete, and so you have to like break
out of that. Right, Well, if I say women aren't people,
then you go ooh, that's awful. But what I mean
is your model of what a person is is actually
a model of a man. Because you're a man, you
don't understand women at all. And it's actually not possible
for you to really understand women because you aren't one,
you'll never be one. You don't know what they feel like,
you don't know how they think. You have no experience
of the internal world of a woman, and so when
you try to when you try to talk to a woman,
you are talking to a completely different creature than yourself
that has very little, if anything to do with you.
And so when you talk to somebody and you're trying
to communicate, you're going to try and communicate in a
way you would like to be communicated with, maybe even like, oh,
what would be my favorite way to be communicate, what
would be the best way to communicate with me? I'm
going to do that. And then it gets shit on
and you don't know why, and it really feels like,
oh my god, women are crazy. They're not crazy. They're women.
You have the wrong standard set. You are playing the
wrong game. It's not you are You've got the wrong controls.
Have you ever like had somebody hand you in a
console controller and it's just all the buttons are wrong,
that's what.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Thing, It's like the guys that play with like
inverted sticks or whatever, where you're just like, what am
I doing? Yes, Well, honestly, I think we're actually in
agreement here because, and this is again on a modern scale,
a very controversial thing that you know, two hundred years
ago is just assumed knowledge.
Speaker 2: Is obviously yeah, to every other historical situation. If you
asked anybody in any other time period ever, they would
go yeah, dun Like, what do you mean, why are
you even asking?
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like, well, men and women are completely and
totally different things, right, you know, and obviously look like
these are very large populations. I'm sure there's some overlap,
but like we're a nulty, we can talk about groups, right,
and in a weird way. One of the things that
modernity has done by insisting that men and women are
exactly the same is it has sort of made everyone
a sexual because it's like, you know, every man is
emasculated and every woman is defeminized.
Speaker 2: Right, every man is an awful woman and every woman
is a really bad man.
Speaker 6: That's yes, all of them. And people are mutually miserable.
Like if you look at the data on this, right,
Like I'm I'm a zoomer, so we'll take gen z Okay, yeah, yeah, like, uh,
no one is getting married, let alone, no one's having sex,
no one's talking to women. Yeah, and sure, okay, you know,
if we're talking about civilizational variables maximizing for you know,
just clicking the button that says sex may not be
the best thing, but it's like a trailing indicator of like, oh,
these people are not interacting. And if you looked at
you know, women's mental health, if you look at any
of these metrics we're talking about entropy, this is a
system that entropy has hit hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And the framework I think about it is that we've
sort of you know, got into a like prisoner's dilemma
problem where it's like each and the fact that we
have turned men and women into like different political classes bonkers,
Like it's a horrible idea. Like look at South Korea
where there's like man party and woman party and no
one actually reproduces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
Speaker 6: Effectively, each camp so to speak, has a way to
screw the other person over Like obviously you know people
are aware of like divorce court. You know, the male
version is sort of you know, stringing along a woman
forever and then leaving her. Yeah, you know, we were
aware that both bad behaviors exist. But it's like, in
order to clear that like period of entropy and just
show up to the next round of the game, if
it were, you sort of have to open yourself up
to being screwed to achieve the sort of optimism. Yeah,
of course result like if you you see what I
mean right, the kind of game theory of it.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course. So I think the better model,
or at least a better model, just for for any
guy that's that heard me say, if you're thinking of
a woman as a person, then you're using the wrong
model in your head. A better model that you will
understand that you will be able to actionably use is
to imagine her as your most cherished possession. Okay. Now
whether this is technically true or not doesn't matter. I'm
telling you just use that model. Okay. Whatever, your very
favorite thing that you own is This is going to
inform you how to behave with her way more than
any other social model that you've got lying around in
your head. Right now, use that one and I understand that. God,
that fucking the movie Aladdin, all right, Princess Jasmine's howling
speech about how she's not a prize to be one
completely destroyed millennials. It deleted millennial marriage almost completely, because
you'd better be If you want me to try to
win you, you'd better be a prize to be one.
And they all insisted on not being. They all insisted
on not doing that. And so if you treat them
like they are, it lends them more towards acting like
they are, which makes them more likely to be a
prize to be one, and then everybody's happier. But try
to align that model in your head, anybody listening. The
more you do that, you'll find you have an answer
of what to do next. That's a better answer than
the one if you if you have to sit down
and do God, have you have you ever seen one
of those relationship performance review videos?
Speaker 6: Yes, those are that should be a capital offense, like
we should.
Speaker 2: Not allow those.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, let's run this relationship like a business. Yeah, literally,
an insane person that idea.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely well and you know, well, So here's I
think this is one of the natural consequences of hormonal
birth control. Yes it is. It is not possible for
her to fall in love with you if her body
is already convinced she's pregnant. Why would that make any sense?
Like this, that would be a shitty adaptation. That would
be the like, the most awful ability for a mammal
to have. Oh, this mammal can pair bond while pregnant
with somebody else's baby. No, that's not gonna work because
whoever you pair bond with right now, he's gonna kill
that baby. That's what's gonna happen in the jungle or whatever,
right Like, there's no other mammal out there that's just
cool with that. That's not what's gonna happen. So, if
you are putting this in a woman's body and she's
been on birth control literally since the entire time she's
been a woman, there's no way she has any idea
what it's like to be in love with you. She
could never tell. She would never know, So, uh, why
would you expect her to run it any other way,
like what else should you do? Well, we have all
these corporate structures. We have giant legal structure that informs
decision making for all these kind of things. Oh, let's
you know what, Let's run our household like a business.
That is a completely logical This is a This is
what I mean by like using the wrong model for something.
This makes total sense. If you're just some dude she
knows that she lives with of course, yeah, that you're
her roommate. She should run the house like a business.
Speaker 6: Well, and of course when I say that, right, when
I say like a business, I understand that in a
previous era, the household effectively was the unit of business.
Sure when I say that now, I mean like like
corporate America. Yeah, I mean and again right that we're
talking about incentives. Right, if you you are kind of
average atomized human female, right like birds, control makes a
ton of sense, right, because getting saddled with like some
dude's baby ruins your life, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, so, like I wonder about that, though I'm not
sure I think so Like recently.
Speaker 6: There was calculation being made, it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that is the calculation being made. I
just think that people have been really bad at math.
So the like, there was this a recent hullabaloo. I
forget which organization it was reclassified hormonal birth control for
women as a Class one cancer risk or whatever, I
forget what the exact word was, but it went around
the internet like last week that hey, ladies, it's not
just dangerous for you, but it's the most kind of
dangerous for you when it comes to like breast cancer
and ovarian cancer and all this kind of stuff. Right, So,
and there was thousands of women acting this like what
the fuck do you mean? What do you mean it
causes cancer? It's like, well, yeah, they told you when
they put you on it that it causes cancer. It's
just that you were twelve at the time, so you
don't remember they told you that, and you've been using
it ever since, you know. Well, that's their reaction to
this risk they didn't understand that they were taking. Was
very telling to me. And there's a lot of other
risks that they don't tell you about, or that they
don't really document all that much, or that of course
they don't necessarily want you to know, because it seems
like the kind of thing that would be very superpowered,
right the sexual revolution is sort of the creation myth
of the entire boomer world. You know, the idea that
like Woodstock is the Garden of Eden to boomers.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, it's like the innocent world before you had
to be an adult. And it's why yeah, you know,
like the I can't remember the exact ratio, but it's
something like eight times the number of people who actually
went to Woodstock plane you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, Oh, it's hundreds. I'm
sure it's hundreds of times. But the the idea of hey,
maybe maybe if we just say it, here's another way
to say exactly this. Everything I'm about to say about
birth control is completely true. Birth control poisons your ability
to get pregnant. That's what it does. That's its job.
It is a poison that stops you from becoming pregnant.
Some of the other things it does. It may cause cancer. Gosh,
it prevents you from being able to tell if you're
a good match with a man by his smell. It
makes men who are chemically compatible with you smell like
your brother, Like that's actually a thing. It makes it
smell like you know how everybody hates the whole Like,
oh my god, you're like a brother to me. That's
how that happened. It changes what you smell like to
a woman who is pregnant or is on hormone on
birth control, because normally, yes, they would huff you, and
all of the chemistry that happens with that actually lets
her know whether your blood type is wrong. Two have babies, Like, yeah,
so that's gone. The T shirt tests, the T shirt study,
whatever that was, hormonal birth control totally nukes that. And
I have a I have a here's a not necessarily
true thing, but it doesn't feel like a lie when
I'm saying it. You know how religiously extreme communities always
have a bunch of kids, like a lot of kids, Like,
holy moly, how did you have so many kids?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Okay, so nice to meet antagonist. Well is the
resident religious extremist.
Speaker 2: Well, now, I wouldn't say I'm a religious extrement part
I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm joking. That's where I came from, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, right, oh well then nice to meet you.
Very good. So, you know, there's a thing that religiously
religious extremist communities do that nobody else really does, and
that is that the women do actually kind of just
hang out with the women, and they don't really hang
out with unrelated men. They don't go and work with
the public, or at least they work with the public
a whole lot less at a much lower rate than
the average American woman does. Well, there's a funny thing
that happens in mammals, and it's been very thoroughly documented
in rats. And I know that rats are not humans,
We're different, But evolution is very evolution conserves a lot
of things. So did you know just trivia that if
a if a pregnant rat smells an unrelated male rat, right,
so not from the same litter, not from the same parents,
And I forget how far out it has to go,
but if they smell them, they have a seventy eight
percent chance of miscarriage, just right there. I think that
having women interacting with the public at large and not
being the word that always comes up as cloistered, not
being protected by their their own like their family and
their community, like their type community, not strangers from nowhere,
you know, I think that may be like the largest
contributor of lost pregnancies. I wouldn't be surprised to find
that out, Like if I got to ask God, and
God just told me, Yeah, that was it. I'd be
like I fucking knew, right, Like, ah yeah.
Speaker 6: Well honestly. So another another really interesting one. Friend of
the show Aidan Paladin, who's been on the internet forever.
She had a really interesting article come out where she
was basically tracking the sex ratio at birth of Okay,
So basically the thesis that she was working on is
that in times of extress or extremity, the population becomes
male biased, right, sure, because oh wait, did I get
that backwards? No, no, it becomes male biased because basically
the assumption is no, no, it is female bias. Sorry, because
females are a better shot of your genes getting into
the future, right They basically they tend to survive. Males
have both higher infant mortality and also higher just a
general mortality. Yeah yeah, and you have they have a
much flatter bell curve as well, so like you have
more male te and more male morons, and so basically,
in a time of scarcity, okay, that it gets closer
and closer to fifty fifty or even to you know,
more women than not. Right. And what she found that
was particularly interesting is that the sex ratios in weird countries, right,
the kind of like wealthy West are basically as bad
as like a country experiencing extreme famine. And her point
was basically like, there is some huge stressor you know,
whether it's what you know, what you mentioned, or something
else that is taking this biological system and twisting it
outside of stasis where it sort of wants.
Speaker 2: To be okay.
Speaker 6: And I think one of the other things that's ahead
of what we're talking about that is interesting that in
my experience, particularly religious communities do as well, is that
they have a sort of informal system of like basically
like setting people up like semi arranged marriages almost yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. That additionally get you started in that process
much much earlier, you know, so you're not playing the
field for ten years. Your dad friends with her dad.
You guys got married at twenty two, right in my
case for example, you.
Speaker 2: Know, congratulations, I liked that. Wow. I don't think that.
I think that arranged marriages probably did a lot more
work for humanity than we give them credit for.
Speaker 6: For Oh yeah, we're talking about a system that could
withstand entropy, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm pretty sure that Okay, So, well, whose
opinion should you trust a twenty year old woman who
you know, she's twenty she's gonna do twenty year old
woman things, or her dad who's gonna know better about
who she should be spending her time around. And I
it's very obvious, like, oh, well, she should probably ask
her dad, you know, Like.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it, you see this on both sides, right,
Like what's the big joke about, you know, marines fresh
out of boot camp?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: It's that they buy you know, camaros at twenty eight
percent interest in Mary a hooker.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like you are at a position in your
life where your you know, libido is very high and
your wisdom is very low. Yeah, yeah, and it is
very easy to fall into a position where you know
that sort of like store of either family or civilizational
capital gets wasted because you know, you found a stripper
that you thought really loved you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, Although I would say, like there's no there
are there are some archetypes that there is just no
prying each other away from. And I think think marine
just out of boot camp and uh and hooker, you're
not gonna get those two aparty. I think you're gonna burn.
Speaker 6: It's Lindy as they say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not happening. That's just not gonna occur. Uh,
you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose that dice roll every time. Dude.
I think instead, it would be better, It would be better.
And this is actually we're talking about this as I'm
about to say this, this does feel true. Instead, what
you should do and what what seriously the Marines should
consider is they really need to have a file worked
up on each one of the strippers anywhere near the base,
like an hour's drive from base, and they actually need
to be setting up particular dudes with particular strippers who
they think are gonna actually get along after all, because
you're not gonna stop them from interacting. You're not gonna
stop the marine for going from going for it. But
what you can do is you can put the right
one in front of.
Speaker 6: Him, you know, private you have been handed.
Speaker 2: Crystal, Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: Or alternately, you have the Roman solution, which is just
you cannot legally get married while you're in the army.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that. That like, that doesn't
that doesn't strike me correctly. I think you know, the
Romans were very impressive in a number of ways, but
I think they really I think we can all accept
the fact that maybe they didn't they didn't treat their
their soldiers right. In the end, it didn't work out.
It just didn't go I number one cause of death
for Roman emperors. They're soldiers, so you like, you can't
probably not the right probably not.
Speaker 6: The right move. Well, dude, weird twelve minutes over time,
it's been a ton of fun. Man, I'll have to
have you back on. I always enjoy these or it's
like sort of a you know, a shot in the
dark where you're like, yeah, we'd probably and it's a
it's a great interview. Well where can people find you
if they want more of you? Talk yess?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am on Twitter all the time at the
One Antagonist because just the antagonist was long taken apparently,
but so the One Antagonist and of course on Gladiodrome,
which is the podcast that I do with Rusty Cage
and Flesh Simulator, and you can find that by searching
for Gladiodrome on I keep wanting to call it SoundCloud
and it's not SoundCloud. Spot off SoundCloud. Thank you Jesus
Christ Gladio Drome on Spotify.
Speaker 6: Yeah I've been I'm long said because I I podcast professionally,
and you know, if if you listen to something too
close to what you do, you just sort of create
a human centipede of content. You have no opinions anymore.
Oh so, the only the only shows I listen to
are are things that I find both interesting and make
me laugh. And I've long said that there have been
three Timeline Earth, the Good Old Boys, and Grim Dark Enlightenment,
but I've added a fourth gladi Oh highly recommend And
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