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gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 2: And you got back. That's the man. Don't black a

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dang on the panel right now? You don't get a man?

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Speaker 6: All right, antagonist, Welcome to the Jay Burdens Show. How

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you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing doing it all.

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Speaker 6: Dude, I'm doing too. As everyone knows who I've talked

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to in the last three days. I went through uh Airport. Hell,

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I did not get my burger king crown, but I

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was certainly looking for one.

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Speaker 2: It's required accoutrement at this time. I think you should

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keep one in the back pocket. It's gonna come up.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's one of those things where it's like, look,

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I get it, you're probably in a similar boat. You're

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more disagreeable than the average person, right sure, And so

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just the whole conceit of air travel, which is like

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you are human cattle, I find irritating. I also find

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it doubly so when it's like, oh, yeah, no, we

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did take your money and we were we told you

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we were going to provide you a service.

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Speaker 2: But joke's on you, right right, Silly of you for

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thinking that was actually that we made a deal and

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that then we would keep that deal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you already spent your money. So yeah, anyway, not

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to get into annoying airport conversations, which is just low,

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very boil.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah it is. I think it's the platonic

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solid of podcasting is and even.

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Speaker 6: Before that, right, it's like the platonic h platonic form

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of like low rent stand up comedy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah well okay, so but that's also I mean, we

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podcasting as it exists right now would not exist without

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Mark Marin, And I think that that bloodline runs pure

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right there. We know exactly how it got from one

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to the other.

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Speaker 6: Fair and honestly it seems to be a even diagram

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with exact actly one circle on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever gone to like the the podcast like

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they're equivalent of the Top forty?

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a physical iPod was in my hand.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well say, I don't use you know, Apple, I don't.

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for schizophrenic reasons. But uh, it's kind of fascinating because

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it's like, you know, you you or I might recognize

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like two guys on there, like okay, you know Joe Rogan,

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Tucker Carlson, maybe a few people from the news. You'd

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makes sense. The rest of them is what I assume

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are fake celebrities.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and these people ostensibly and who knows if

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the numbers are fake make like crazy crazy money, and

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some of them you might like you would reckon, like

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uh like uh, comedy actor Dax Shephard. It's apparently like

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one of the top three biggest podcasts in America.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I've heard the name, but I

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have no idea what this person's face looks like.

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Speaker 6: Uh he was in Idiocracy. Uh like that that's the

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level of actor he is. Okay, you know, like was

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in a couple comedies you might have seen, sure twenty

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years ago. But somehow this person is is still famous

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and uh to go to tinfoil hat. Guess who owns

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his podcast network?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Who Bill Gates? Okay, well, guess who took this guy

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on like an all expade. All excuse me, I've been

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up for a crazy amount of time, all expenses paid

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tour of the world where they were just his little

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like Jester goblins. It was also Bill Gates.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well sure, yeah, so all right, but this all right,

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silly things around uh entertainment that come off very conspiracy

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theory is to people who've never worked in entertainment are

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actually really boring kind of things that that seemed mysterious

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from the outside and like backroom cabal stuff. But it's not.

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It's it's literally a lot of it really comes down to, like, hey, uh,

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one time Bill Gates went to a show of his

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and then went, oh, I really like this guy, and

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then that was it, and was like, oh, do you

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want to like that was really funny. I'm going to

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do this and I want to show you to my friends. Like, Okay,

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were you have you ever done like in person show

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business stuff like life show at a place?

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Speaker 6: No, actually I've not, Okay, although I lived with the

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sound engineer who was always okay okay, So with real roommates, okay, sure, sure, sure, okay.

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where you run into people, and you run into people

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that are tangentially like if somebody is a big deal,

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they do tend to just get backstage everywhere because it's

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Bill Gates. What are you gonna tell Bill Gates he

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can't go backstage like the owner of the club. If

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he wanted to, he could just buy the whole club.

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Speaker 2: So what the fuck do you mean? You know, like,

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if he wants to go backstage, he's gonna go backstage.

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And then if he hangs out and he likes you, well,

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now you're hanging out with like one of the richest

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people on the planet. And then the next thing, you know.

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I mean, if somebody calls you and says, hey, I

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want to uh, I'm going to Europe and there are

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fourteen seats on my plane and only six of them

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are spoken for, what are you doing for the next

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three months? Your answer is probably like, if you don't

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have like a regular boring guy job and you're in

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creative field somewhere, it's very easy to go, oh, well,

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I'm on your plane. That's where I am. I'm gonna

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go with Bill Gates, you know, and regardless of everybody

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knowing now what an absolute monster he almost certainly is.

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Like I wasn't there for any of it. I don't

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know personally, but everybody is at least aware of, like, oh,

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there's some really spooky stuff around Bill Gates. It's not

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just the guy that makes windows. But try to remember,

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you know, in two thousand and four, it was all

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the way in the most tinfoil territory to be like, oh,

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he's not like successful computer guy, he's the devil.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: So if they met way back when, it's like that's

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when he was getting movie deals. And then Bill Gates, wait,

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oh you make me laugh, Let's go do this and

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I guess you go, you know.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, you know that's You're entirely correct about that,

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and you know, of course right, like Bill Gates is

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a is a sinister character, but it's always interesting to

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me this sort of figures like him and Klaus Schwab.

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That's sort of home like boogeymen, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ghey man status instead of just dude who

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things happened around status, you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which is a much less interesting title to to

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tell all expose exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: Like there are people who I'm pretty sure, you know,

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I hear him talk and I go, oh, that one's

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fucking evil. I know that Hillary Clinton is every last

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molecule in her body. She's evil, definitely. I'm very comfortable

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knowing that I can say that, and I don't feel

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like I'm lying. I feel like Bill Gates is not

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as evil like in his soul as Hillary Clinton is.

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I think that he's done more. He's done big things

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that will be used evilly, but that's kind of like

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a secondary consequence. I feel like somebody actually convinced him

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it was a good idea to eat the bugs, not

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that he he was sitting there going like I wonder

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if I could make poor people eat bugs, haha. You

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know Hillary Clinton was like, I wonder if I could

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make poor people eat bugs, This is gonna be great.

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So that's a big difference. That's a big difference in

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in where it comes from.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and to that point, right, the Ford

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Foundation is a similar favorite right of people connecting lines.

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But you know, if you read about why the Ford

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Foundation was, you know, set up one, we can go

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back to the root of almost all modern ills. Fdr Right, Okay,

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who had these kind of extremely you know, draconian state laws.

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And so the Ford family is like, h shoot, we

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don't want to just give this all to the government,

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so I guess we just set up a foundation. Yeah,

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you know, I'm from Detroit, I'm from Michigan. I like

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that place. I can't use all this money. I have

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to use it for charity. So like, I'm gonna do that.

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it starts to get big and hard to manage. And

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by the end of his life he's like, this thing

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has been taken over by insane people who were doing

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all sorts of sinister stuff. Okay, you know he was

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a you know, a fairly normal guy by the standards

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of you know, mid twentieth century industrialist, you know, who

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didn't want all of the sinister stuff the Ford Foundation

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was doing going on. But like, what option did he have?

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Like he had the same name as the foundation, but like, yeah,

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it wasn't his money anymore. Like he sat on the board,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I always got It's one of the

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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm garald As a full time career, I was

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Speaker 2: To book your free food assessment at foot Solutions, don

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I e or pop in store today. You know how

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people say that every American is sort of a temporarily

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embarrassed millionaire waiting to happen. You know, Yeah, I think

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I think One of the things that has bothered me

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about that always is that, oh my god, let's say

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everything does work out someday I'm gonna die. When how

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do I not let whatever happens next just eat alive

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anything I ever accomplished. And when I hear about like,

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oh yeah, the Ford Foundation, how did that go wrong? Well,

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you set up there's just no like good legal, unassailable

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fortress where you can say, all right, I want to

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this with my life life's work, and I want to

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make sure that whatever the machine is that I've made

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out of it keeps running. And that's the only thing

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that anybody's allowed to interact with regarding the machine. Otherwise

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if I talk about this too like a well to

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any lawyer, they just look at me.

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Speaker 6: Like, what do you mean, No, that's not a thing

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that's never just ask me to commit commit tax fraud?

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like I understand the government's going to do everything in

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their power to to disempower other giants right, if you're

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Henry Ford's a giant of industry, right, how are you

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gonna what are you gonna do to unseat Henry Ford? Well,

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you got to take little bites out of everything he

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leaves behind forever. And okay, fine, you don't want to, Like,

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I still don't actually know if Henry Ford is a

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as a genius who revolutionized industry, including like, you know,

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everybody's mad at Henry Ford for the forty hour work week,

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and then somebody else goes, well, no, dude, it used

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to be the eighty hour work week, and he made

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it forty hours, like as a nice thing, like as

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that was a luxury thing to have a forty hour

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work week instead of just until you fall over.

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Speaker 6: That's what European socialists had been arguing for for like

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one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and so it's been one hundred years. I

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don't know which part is actually which. And it's like

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the medieval peasant argument also, where it supposedly like, oh

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my god, they had so many holidays and they had

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such a wonderful full life of you know, family and

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community and friend or whatever, and then they're only really, gosh,

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the backbreaking labor is only like sixty days out of

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the year and the rest of the time is like

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kind of whatever, and it's like, I don't know about

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that man. That doesn't sound right, that doesn't seem like

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the kind of thing. What do they do the other

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three hundred days?

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Speaker 6: So so several things on that front. One on this

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topic buddy of mind Johann's Johann Kers, who's much more

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genteel and well spoken than I am, wrote a book

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on this, Leaving a Legacy, where he basically talks about

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like how people have done this? Okay, what are the barriers?

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is that nepotism is a syop. He says it in

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a more elegant, genteel way, but his whole point is like, Okay, obviously,

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you know you don't want to select your fail son

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to run the company business, but if you have a

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failed son, that's on you, right right, Yeah, And so

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he goes through you know how these institutions progressed in

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a previous era or even still now right in a

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way that you know, keeps the family farm together. It's

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an interesting book, well written, but it also reminds me

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of James Burnham in the thirties wrote this book, The

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Managerial Revolution, which incidentally was the George Orwell read it

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and was so freaked out that he wrote nineteen before, oh,

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like this is horrifying. But point is Burnham was basically

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looking at what was happening in the US in the thirties,

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what was happening in Russia, and what was happening in

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you know, in Germany, and he was basically saying like, oh,

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this is a new system, which you know he titled

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you know, managerialism.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: His point was basically like whether it's like joint stock

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ownership or like a command economy, they kind of all

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do the same thing. And he used Ford as a

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as an example where he was like, look like now

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that you have stock, where like everyone can own a

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little piece of Ford, the guy named Ford doesn't matter anymore, right,

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Like he's not the King of Ford in the way

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that you know Henry was. And I think that you're

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you're kind of right to draw that parallel between like

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the you know, serfs and like a worker in one

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of his factories, because it's like it's kind of what

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the relationship was, like he just owned it, like he

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was a king. And you know, the lucky thing was

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that Henry Ford seemed to you know, want sort of

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a bare minimum standard for you know, his guys, right,

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like they still have all these coo old homes built

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a hundred years ago, that Henry Ford, because he was like,

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I'm richer than God. You need a place to live,

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so you know, I'll help you killed one. And it's like, okay,

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does that mean like Henry Ford was, you know, the

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nicest guy with like the perfect you know, like care

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for every one of his workers.

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Speaker 2: No, of course not.

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Speaker 6: But like you compare that to like, you know, faceless

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modern globocorp and you're like, ah, well, you know, maybe

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we're not free, but it's better than nothing, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, And I wonder about the whole free thing too,

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because if I try to pay attention to uh or

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I guess the better way to say, I try to

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discover what is the naturally occurring crystalline form of culture

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if it were you know, like you know, elements like

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to take a particular crystal shape when they make crystals,

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you know, you look at them molecularly and they oh,

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it's disrepeating shape. That's how they arrange. Well, I think

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people do that too. I think there's a in tropically

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correct method of arrangement. And I think that king Ford

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and a bunch of serfs is much closer to the

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correct arrangement than stocks and bonds, you know, I think.

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And I'm not saying that it's exactly correct, because I

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don't know that there's no way to know that, but

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I am saying it's it sure seems to have like

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less thermal loss, you know, it's actually less exploitable.

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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, well, And that's the sort of interesting

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thing about it, right, is like you know what I'm

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saying free, it's kind of in scare quotes, right, because

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pretty much every Western culture has talked about being free.

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But like when the gulls are rebelling against Caesar to

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be free, it's like their version of it is a

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guy from one of our tribes controls this land, not

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necessarily that like the average living conditions for any random

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person are going to change, you know, it's like self

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rule or even like and this is the thing that

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really rubs me the wrong way about a lot of

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conservatives is like they have this vision of what like

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the Founding Fathers were that's just completely a historical. You know.

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It's like sure, in like the seventeen eighties there were

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blasphemy laws and they'd kill you for sodomy, you know, right,

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Like it's not sort of like a modern conception of that. Yeah,

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and it sorry finished that.

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Speaker 2: The modern definition of sodomy is not even what we're

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talking about there. That's that's any act, any sexual act

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not aimed at procreation that counts as sodomy at the time.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: So that's it's literally we caught you just you're a gooner.

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You can't be in town and be a gooner. Man,

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that's not gonna.

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Speaker 6: Work, which you know, there's an argument to be made for.

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Speaker 2: That, as we can tell. Yeah, yeah, feet bros. Are

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in big trouble in seventeen seventy eight. That's not a

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good time for feet Bros.

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Speaker 6: To quote Alex Jones seventeen seventy six, will commence again.

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Speaker 2: Now, hey, I'm not saying I can't appreciate some nice

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toes out there, but it's not the focus of the day.

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Speaker 6: A good art, all right, Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 2: Why not? A woman's beauty is divine, absolutely, but you

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can't you shouldn't be chopping her into pieces for it.

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You know, it's a total package. It's a total package.

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Speaker 6: And I think that going back to your point about

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like what's the sort of natural crystalline state of man? Yeah,

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that premise in itself is kind of a controversial one

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when you think about it, because like that assumes several things, right,

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One that there is there's such a thing as as

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human nature like people. You can make that kind of

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statistical claim, right, right, But also your second point about

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the thermal loss, it's like, well, okay, and this is

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a claim I agree with man, but it's like there

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is that means that like there you have to run

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that into your analysis of like, okay, does this system function?

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Because I think about that a lot with like you know,

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whether you want to look at the kind of like

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quote unquote boom or worldview and they they they didn't

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invent it. They are just the kind of current standard bearers.

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But it's like if your view is that the single

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kind of like the that the I guess you would say,

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like the the sorry I've been out for like thirty

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six hours, as I you're good, good long airplane. The

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variable you're looking to maximize is like your personal comfort.

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That's a great system. Right, But if you are also considering,

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oh wait, we've got to keep playing this game past

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one turn, right, we yes, spend it all down, We're screwed. Yeah, well,

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all of a sudden you have to start looking at

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other stuff.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I have like one video on my YouTube channel,

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and it's just it's on the idea of how to

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decide what's right and wrong? First of all, making the

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claim that there is such a thing as right, and

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that thus there's also such a thing as wrong. Right.

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I understand this is apparently controversial, but the and trying

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to decide how would you even determine that right? Because

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everybody wants to make these kind of things relative. Oh oh, well,

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you know, in this culture, it's not wrong to cut

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a guy's hands off for shoplifting. In that culture over there,

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it's not wrong to you know, scald a woman's face

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because she looked at you wrong or whatever. Okay, sure,

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but that obviously those are there's conflicting statements unright and wrong. Okay,

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And if you're trying to make a program for something

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and you have a bunch of conflicting statements, it won't work.

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It'll crash. Right, and everyone seems to insist on a

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tower of babbling everything. Now where Okay, if we're going

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to have this global economy and we're going to have

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interactions between if I have to talk to someone from

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another side of the planet who has no concept of

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my daily life and I have no concept of their

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daily life, this is going to create too much friction.

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Bad shit's gonna happen, right, So what do you do

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about that? And if you can determine a like an

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actual universal right and wrong, then that solves the problem,

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right if you leave it not relative? So how do

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you do that? And the only thing I could think of,

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the only like universal constant that it made sense to

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measure against, was it was entropy. Right. It was how

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quickly does it fall apart against an infinite scale of time? Right?

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And so the more things that are, the less energy

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you have to put in it for the longer that

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it lasts for it to just work. Right. In the meanwhile,

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that's going to be the right thing, and it's going

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to be a very very slim margin, and it's going

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to have to be exactly the right thing to do it.

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Like even just the concept of for me to take

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the next action I can't die, right, Well, there's a

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very tiny sliver of a very tiny planet around a

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very tiny star in a giant universe where I can

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do that, right, And so that's the scale you're up

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against when you're trying to figure right and wrong or

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what the the right thing would be. And so it

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sort of becomes imperative that you figure out like, hey,

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what's the thing that I can what's the thing that's

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actually going to be the least wrong, you know, And

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so in this case, talking about like trying to arrange

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us any sort of society question against that backdrop, that

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seems like the only possible test if that makes a way.

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Speaker 6: And it can lead you to some uncomfortable, uncomfortable conclusions

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if you take those super out right yes, like hey,

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you know, maybe if we all just live around a

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river and find some guy we say is like the

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sun of the like celestial sun, and just have a

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bunch of slaves, right, because you look at Egypt and

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you're like, well, you know, it lasted for a really

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long time.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: Obviously there's like a technical level to that as well,

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which is like okay, you know they didn't have you know,

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goon caves, but like.

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Speaker 2: I bet they had a couple of goon caves. Man,

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I bet there were some the the Egyptian goon cave.

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I need somebody, somebody has to go make Egyptian cave simulator.

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After this, it's gotta be Yeah, there's gonna be some

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of these burial sites that were not burial sites. Bro,

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do not open those jars.

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Speaker 6: It just had like a David Carrodye moment, and they

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were just like, all right, we just have to box

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and then here it's too embarrassing. This is my favorite.

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This is my new ancient aliens there.

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Speaker 2: Hell, yes, okay that And by the way, yes, in

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00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,960
eight years, somebody's gonna be saying this like it's serious

473
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:47,480
because we've spoke it into being right here, that's it.

474
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:50,799
Speaker 6: First first is podcast that is reality?

475
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well, I have a really bad habit of

476
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,440
saying something off the dome and then it turns out

477
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,759
later to be way truer than I meant for it

478
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:01,960
to be.

479
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,599
Speaker 6: Well, this is uh you know, honestly, this may explain

480
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,119
a media trope, right like in the old kind of

481
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,559
Universal Monsters, right like what does the mummy you want

482
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:18,279
to do? Well, he always goes for the damsel in distress, right,

483
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,400
and we assume, you know, because that the stated narratives, Oh,

484
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,240
he's looking to replace his queen, like in Brendan Fraser's

485
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200
turn Out. You know, when when you've resurrected after a

486
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
you know, a four thousand year drive spell, dry spell

487
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,680
in your goon cave, you're ready to go. What I'm

488
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720
saying is they're they're supporting evidence to this.

489
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: You know that that recontextualizes every Mummy horror movie ever.

490
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,559
You know, my man is just that dried out. It's

491
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,480
the only moisture in the desert. What are you going

492
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:53,519
to do, deny Am.

493
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 6: You uh put stuff Jones joke in there. We're not

494
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:05,400
going to for it, Okay, But yeah, man, It's it's

495
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,759
one of those things too, where like because you you

496
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,079
talk to people or you listen to people, you know,

497
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,519
talk about you know, politics or culture or whatever, and

498
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,519
the thing that often strikes me is that it's it's

499
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,519
very like, it's very short term. You know, it's about like, oh,

500
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:28,039
you know, what is this person doing or saying, and

501
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:29,880
that that's the kind of stuff that actually will drive

502
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,000
you insane in the short term, because it's like it

503
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:35,359
will It's like the dumbest sitcom in the world, but

504
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,279
that kind of like you know, real civilizational question is

505
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,519
something that I, you know, I do think about because

506
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,519
like you take that, we'll just use the like the

507
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,200
shorthand of like you know, the boom or worldview where

508
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,000
it's basically like the point of your life is self expression.

509
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,279
You know. You see this in like the uh, what's

510
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,599
the Robin Williams movie about being at a private school,

511
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,319
Dead Poet Society, or like John Lennon's Imagine Yeah right,

512
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,000
and okay, yeah, sure. Those are just you know, those

513
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
are just random pieces of media, but they speak to

514
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,720
kind of a broader cultural narrative about like why you're here,

515
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,599
you know, like what your purpose is. And it's sort

516
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,799
of like and you see this in Europe and you're

517
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,759
seeing it more and more in America that the ultimate

518
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,880
conclusion is just to make every country into a massive

519
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,200
nursing home. Yeah, where it's like you exist for as

520
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:33,519
long to have as many like approximately enjoyable experiences in

521
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,880
your life. And it's like, yeah, sure, okay, if if

522
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,640
like that's your goal, that's like two steps off from like,

523
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,200
you know, the Matrix are like the most dystopian sci

524
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,240
fi thing imaginable.

525
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,799
Speaker 2: What's the word they're using instead of life span. They've

526
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,279
been saying something like like quality span or some of this.

527
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480
I don't I don't remember now, but I know there's

528
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,200
a new there's some stupid euphemism that they're talking about

529
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:02,359
where instead of because that's not an exaggeration for you

530
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:08,119
to say they're turning everything into a they're turning everything

531
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,240
into a nursing home that they are nobody Nobody just

532
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,920
sails off into the distance for one last hurrah to

533
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,559
try and get a seat at Odin's table. It's just

534
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,920
like they just they just, oh can I can I

535
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,759
goon cave for you know, twenty more days? And it's

536
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,759
crazy to me, that's that that sucks so much. That

537
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,000
sucks more than almost anything. But that's exactly what they're doing.

538
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,400
End of life care is the like number one expense

539
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,799
in America.

540
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,839
Speaker 6: I think, well, honestly, man, So look, I worked in

541
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,599
the medical industry for like a year and a half.

542
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,559
I was vendor side, but I was in and out

543
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,799
of all these hospital systems, right or like two Yeah,

544
00:30:53,759 --> 00:31:00,000
several things. One be a hospitals are a crime against humans.

545
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,839
And I mean that guinely like they're they're horrific, but

546
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,920
secondary you know that point you mentioned earlier about like

547
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,200
you know, the system basically exists to sort of return

548
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,759
you to nothing. You know, that is literally what hospice

549
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:21,720
is now. There are tables allegedly that literally determine how

550
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,240
much they can squeeze out of you over the course

551
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,720
of your life, and they are always trying to optimize

552
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,240
that so that you die basically at zero. I've extracted everything,

553
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
and that offsets a lot of the other parts of

554
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,920
the hospital. So it's not just like the hospice network,

555
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,160
it is like the whole thing is depending on that.

556
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the this is this is the discussion on

557
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
the plane from fight Club by the way, right, like

558
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:53,279
just that, Yeah, okay, if you want to make the

559
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:58,920
most luxurious medical machine that has ever existed work, I'm

560
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,839
going to need all your fucking line, right, And I

561
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,519
get that. But the thing is like you're actually not

562
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,440
supposed to do that. So one of the things that

563
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,640
I've said that has made everyone hate me, and I

564
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440
get it. It's it's very cantankerous for me to say.

565
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,720
But like you mentioned VA hospitals, and I think the

566
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:24,680
number one problem with all of the veterans affair system

567
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,839
is that none of these concepts make any sense when

568
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,079
you have this many surviving veterans, like the form of warrior,

569
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,039
like the warrior archetype. They're not supposed to make it

570
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,640
back this much, and so of course a system to

571
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:50,079
support veterans. And regardless of I understand there's a lot

572
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:51,880
of people cook in the books. I understand there's a

573
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,839
lot of people skimming. I understand there's a lot of

574
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,519
people conning and scamming and all this other stuff. But

575
00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:01,759
even without all of that, I don't think there is

576
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,240
I don't think there's a way to do war and

577
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:10,200
warriors and then also have more than half of them

578
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,519
make it home and then not have this problem. I

579
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:15,480
think that's going to happen.

580
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 6: You see the same thing with Social Security, right or

581
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,799
the NHS, where it's like these programs were designed for

582
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,920
a relatively short lived minority of the population. Right when

583
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,559
they set up Social Security, that number they was sixty

584
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,799
two back then, Yeah, fifty percent mortality. Right, only half

585
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,480
of people made it. Most who did weren't on it

586
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,839
for long. And that's a country with a much much

587
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,039
higher total fertility rate than we have now. So it's

588
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,640
a population pyramid, right, you could you could run what

589
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,079
was basically a pyramid scheme as long as you know

590
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,599
your inputs and outputs remained unchained.

591
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the thing about pyramid schemes, isn't it that's

592
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,799
they work really cool? For a minute, they're so cool.

593
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,880
And for multi level marketing, oh man, I love some

594
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,079
multi level marketing. When I find a whole new town

595
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,679
of people who don't know what multi level marketing is,

596
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,360
I will make so much money.

597
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 6: But you have you could see at least this is

598
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,840
basically how podcasts work. I know, we're on the ground

599
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,000
floor for five you know, these things happen the problem.

600
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,840
So this is another one of those platonic solids. Unfortunately,

601
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,480
I think because.

602
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. Not everybody's supposed to make it,

603
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,599
and in the end nobody makes it, right, like everybody dies.

604
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,920
So in the meanwhile, there is going to be someone

605
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960
who is the most entertaining, Right, There's gonna be somebody

606
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,880
who you like to spend your time hearing, and there's

607
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,760
gonna be somebody who you like what they have to say.

608
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,679
And if a hundred people are trying to do that,

609
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,239
it's not gonna be all one hundred of them. It's

610
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,400
gonna be one of them. And if there's one hundred

611
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,320
thousand people trying to do that, you're.

612
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 6: Still gonna select Dax Shepherd.

613
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna have to look this fucking guy

614
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,079
up now that you've said it, I'm not okay. So

615
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,119
for a guy who does like show business things, I

616
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:27,559
have always been really awful. I hate trying to I

617
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:31,239
don't like idolizing people, and so I don't know who

618
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,400
did anything. I just know what happened.

619
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:35,119
Speaker 6: Here's what I will say.

620
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: I do not recognize this guy at all.

621
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 6: The only reason I think it's weird is because he's

622
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,800
such a minor name, you know, like if it were like,

623
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,360
you know, some household name actor, Okay, like if Robert

624
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,440
de Niro, you know, was taking a break from impregnating

625
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,159
twenty six year old women to you know, to have

626
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
a podcast, you could at least get it right. You're like, Okay,

627
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,360
that's a famous guy that every.

628
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: You know who would have been, you know, who would

629
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
have done a smoking hot podcast, Jack Nicholson.

630
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,519
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, Orson Wells just completely obliterated drunk.

631
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think didn't he wasn't that essentially what

632
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,199
he was doing. Didn't he get on to do War

633
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,800
of the World? And just isn't that it?

634
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 6: You know, honestly, that should be on the Lifetime Achievement

635
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,719
Award for podcasters. Have you caused a local you know,

636
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,320
a local psychological event?

637
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 2: Yes? That the Yeah, that's that's important. Uh, you know,

638
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:40,039
if if you're OSHI does not cause a complete crash

639
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:43,320
out in the entire town, Like why are they your oshi?

640
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,159
Speaker 6: I'm sure my my lawyer will regret this statement. Well,

641
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,639
but I'm not saying you guys should do anything.

642
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: But okay, so in the interest of national security, I

643
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,920
think no, I could be wrong about that, so I try.

644
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,159
I have a pinned post on my Twitter that is

645
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480
it is that you should never lie. You should always

646
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,920
tell the truth unless the way that you're lying is

647
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,559
supposed to be so obvious that the person you're lying

648
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,960
too is supposed to know that you're lying, and then

649
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,400
like act like you're lying, you know, like I'm still

650
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,559
I'm not actually hiding the lie from you. You're supposed

651
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:30,239
to know this, right, like, yeah, it's your fault if

652
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,159
you didn't. Yes, exactly, like this is actually we're being conspiratorial,

653
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,199
we're teaming up. I am lying so that you can

654
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,960
catch me. Don't fucking chill. It's all right, but like

655
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,679
I completely lost the train of thought as to why

656
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,679
I got there, unfortunately.

657
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,639
Speaker 6: Because I was somewhat jokingly encouraging my audience to.

658
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: Yes. So I promise, I promise this will remain the

659
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,039
case on anything I'm a part of. I'm not going

660
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:03,320
to uh to act actually set up you know, war

661
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,519
of the world's crash out events.

662
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,599
Speaker 6: And that's why no one will remember your name?

663
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: Well or am I still lying? Is the thing?

664
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,039
Speaker 6: So I will say here's the other thing. Very very

665
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:26,079
thinly veiled euphemisms, or we could say lies, are extraordinarily

666
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:30,159
helpful in the world of AI censorship because, for instance, yeah, right,

667
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,599
somewhat amazingly, my I am on YouTube. It's not I'm

668
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,760
mostly an audio guy, but I'll just throw it up

669
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,480
there because it's like, you know what, it's a backup.

670
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,360
They send me some money in the mail, like whatever. Sure,

671
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,239
the YouTube's way harsher about that. So I've had to

672
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,519
develop a series of the euphemisms.

673
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,679
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So.

674
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 6: For instance, you know, if if you're if you're doing

675
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,960
some noticing you're speculating about, you know, the ethnic background

676
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,360
of you know some some such, you know industry. Yeah,

677
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,159
you might notice that, Wow, there's a lot of Amish

678
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,880
guys here, right, yes, And it's like the audience knows,

679
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,960
but exactly if you if you say something more directly,

680
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,199
it's like, Oh, all of a sudden, I was gonna

681
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,400
say Susan, but I guess they've got an Indian fella

682
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,760
running YouTube now whose name I can shocking. But point is, yeah,

683
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,199
they'll get mad at you, and so it will. It's

684
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,320
funny enough. The New York Post does this right, my my, yeah,

685
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400
an the source of news I ever read, where their

686
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400
whole thing is. They'll be like, oh, you know a

687
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,880
subway nasty playing the Knockout?

688
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, okay, So that's just the

689
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,280
New York Post euphemism game is so good and has

690
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,880
been for a really loved. What was the one today

691
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,760
or yesterday? Was it was like young bathers, there was

692
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,599
a there was a beach of shooting and so there

693
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:58,320
was young bathers or there was a beach going revelers

694
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,639
I saw, I think, and it's just like, all right, guys, no,

695
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,119
I understand Subway writers could be here right like that

696
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,519
meme has gotten so much mileage. I feel like the

697
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:12,360
New York Post offices such that they still exist. The

698
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:20,199
walls must be papered in the you know, excited youths

699
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,360
could be here, right like, there's just the whole wallpaper.

700
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Is this dude putting gas in his car? There's nothing else?

701
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 6: So one of my I love, you know, kind of

702
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,639
driving around the country. I'm a big kind of roadside

703
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:41,079
America enjoyer, Okay. And on twenty nine, just south of

704
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:45,519
Charlottesville in Virginia, there's a there's a gas station with

705
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:49,000
a decent piece of pizza place Doctor hose Pies and

706
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,760
a gas station is part of the same thing. And

707
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,480
this has been a fixture there for years now. It

708
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:58,039
might be the funniest thing ever. They have a board

709
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,440
full of you know, people who have been caught on

710
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,360
surveillance stealing from the store. And they have one with

711
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:11,800
just a rather corpulent woman stuffing a rotisserie chicken into

712
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,360
her coat. It just says chicken bandit on it.

713
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: I hate chicken bandits. Chicken bandits could be here, dude,

714
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,440
they absolutely could be. It's every time, and I don't

715
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,559
the map is the map. I guess Virginia is still

716
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,599
close enough. I don't know, I why is it gotta be?

717
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:40,519
Although I will say I don't as much as I

718
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,320
hate uh, airplane travel, Okay, I don't. I don't like

719
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,159
being I also don't like buses, Okay, I don't like

720
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,079
any or trains for that matter, any any mode of conveyance.

721
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,760
Where I am in an enclosed space with ten or

722
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,519
more strangers over more than two hours. This is just

723
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,719
a wonderful recipe for somebody. There's just no way that

724
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,800
nobody in there sucks. You know, it's just my luck's

725
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,679
not that good. My luck has never been good enough

726
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,480
to have ten strangers in a room with me and

727
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,719
they're all great, you know.

728
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 6: So and going back to conversations about about entropy, right,

729
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,360
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, you know, as as modern

730
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,199
people were a little bit squeamish about you know, crime

731
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,119
and punishment. So we say, but.

732
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,519
Speaker 2: Where I mean some people are.

733
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, we most are, I'll put it, you know, but

734
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:41,840
that is sort of one of those things where it's

735
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:48,119
like that public transportation fell to entropy. So yeah, yeah,

736
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,480
of course, it's like, you know, like that that tragic

737
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,239
woman or tragic you know video of that, you know,

738
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
poor Ukrainian woman getting you know, half like or like

739
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,440
just any random Tuesday whatever is going on in you know,

740
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,599
the New York City subway.

741
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and that's just it, isn't it Like Arena

742
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:12,239
Arena Zarutska, Right, I'm I'm butchering the name, no pun intended,

743
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:19,159
but like the that was a perfect illustration of the problem.

744
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,800
But she's not a saint of that problem because it

745
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,719
happens all the time. It happens every day, and it's

746
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,199
completely intolerable. You'll never find me on a bus. You

747
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,239
simply will not find me on a bus. Right for

748
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:45,519
that reason, because any anything I ever would do to

749
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,719
protect myself or anyone else in the situation, I know

750
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:55,480
what happens to me regardless then, right, even if I

751
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,199
if I pull up like Superman, I'm done for still,

752
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,360
you know. And so it's just I can't be there,

753
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,679
and I can't let anyone that I care about be there,

754
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:13,440
And anybody who I would tangentially or even civilizationally care about,

755
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,280
I tell them not to go, don't be there. I

756
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,599
can't imagine why someone would subject themselves to New York City,

757
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,360
never mind the New York City subway. At least with

758
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:31,079
an airplane, there's a semblance of control. And like, if

759
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,480
the captain actually wants to throw you out of the

760
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,880
plane at thirty five thousand feet, he's under no legal

761
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,320
obligation not to. He can just do that. He's the

762
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:46,039
captain of the plane. They occupy a beautiful beacon, a

763
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,559
shining light of legal space where while the plane is

764
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,639
in the air. Whatever the fuck they say, that's what

765
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,880
they that's the law. They are the final law as

766
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,480
captain for the moment, right, So I would trust that

767
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,920
more than the bus driver who does not have this,

768
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
or the train conductor who does not have this, although

769
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,199
I would love to see. Ah, Jesus, if you're out

770
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,519
there and you would like to make a beautiful new tableau,

771
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,239
the next time that someone attacks someone on a train,

772
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,199
it's gotta happen. It's gonna happen. I know you have

773
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,159
one scheduled, Jesus, the next time someone attacks somebody on

774
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,960
a plane or a train, rather, uh, just have the

775
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,320
train conductor throw them out at speed, and everyone's gonna

776
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,159
feel a whole lot better about public transport.

777
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,679
Speaker 6: Well, honestly, antagonists, I think we should lean into this

778
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,800
more where every person who is declared to be a captain,

779
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,960
like of a shimp or whatever, it needs to dress

780
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,760
like sort of a Napoleonic era British naval officer and

781
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,239
have a cutlass and a flintlock at all times.

782
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,199
Speaker 2: I don't disagree, I will. I mean the flintlock's probably

783
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,320
not great. I mean, like with with that kind of

784
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,880
a closed space gladius, maybe a Gladius instead of Savor,

785
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:09,639
something short, thrusting, you know, but like I don't the

786
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,480
as fll as as far as Napoleonic dress. Yeah, man,

787
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,880
give me something with tails. Give me something with tails

788
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:15,960
on it, you know.

789
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,679
Speaker 6: And you know what if you act up on the flight,

790
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,400
if you don't have headphones, you're you're playing your music,

791
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,039
the captain comes back and it's just you know, a

792
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:29,159
drumhead court martial and you know, you walk the plank

793
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,719
or you know other adventure. I think this is it

794
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,360
would be a shining beacon of order in public transport.

795
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:39,559
Speaker 2: Would it would? And like that's why I'm saying, let's

796
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,079
let's let it be somebody who actually attacks someone, right,

797
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,280
It doesn't need to be somebody with who just you

798
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,800
know what I've had my headphones died in an opportune moment.

799
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,639
That's a shame, you know. Uh, but gosh, if you're

800
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:58,320
in somebody's face, I want like a claw machine claw

801
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,800
to grab you and chuck you out of the bus. Right, Like,

802
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
I don't, I don't need There doesn't need to be

803
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,639
anything else that happens yet, Like, obviously this is crazy.

804
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:08,960
We can't be in the room with this guy, you know,

805
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,760
so let's just can we put him on the bumper?

806
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,199
Can we just lash him to the bumper and and

807
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:13,760
complete the.

808
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,199
Speaker 6: Trip to tie him to the roof?

809
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 7: Yeah?

810
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 6: Time the roof so wet out.

811
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't see. It has never made any

812
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,360
sense to me, the amount of tolerance. I think tolerance,

813
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,639
which tolerance was sort of the mantra mantra of the

814
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,519
late nineties early two thousands. Everything was about tolerance. And

815
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,719
it occurred to me at one point that they don't

816
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,079
ever actually put it right next to tolerate. You know,

817
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,800
it's the same word, but they don't ever put them

818
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,320
right next to each other, and they don't use them

819
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,199
next to each other in a conversation. Well, you need

820
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,800
to tolerate that, No, you need to have more tolerance

821
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,920
because that makes it about you instead of what the

822
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,599
person who's actually acting is doing. You shouldn't tolerate any

823
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,199
of this, Like this is actually intolerable, as it turns out.

824
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,199
You can't have You can't have people swinging around on

825
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,440
the poles in the subway and then getting into a

826
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,159
fistfight with somebody. You can't tolerate that. It stops being

827
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,320
a subway car the second that somebody starts swinging around

828
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,760
the pole in the middle. It is no longer contextually

829
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,320
a subway car. It is no longer a method of conveyance.

830
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:32,519
At best, it's a surprise show. And maybe it's a

831
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,920
show you didn't mean to go to, almost certainly, and

832
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,159
then maybe it's a show you don't like, which, of

833
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:41,679
course it's not. And so now I didn't get it.

834
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:43,679
I never bought a ticket to that show. And so

835
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,719
now you have teleported me from the subway car to

836
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,960
a really awful show. Well that's I didn't give you

837
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800
permission for that. And for a culture that is so

838
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,079
obsessed with consent to not draw the line for that,

839
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,239
how do you get to kidnapped me from my boring

840
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,079
subway ride and put me at a show I never

841
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,320
consented to that, and here we are, you know, and

842
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,960
it's physical. It's a physical imposition, you know. I don't

843
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,039
know how many have you ever had somebody like shadow

844
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,199
boxing at you. Have you ever had that?

845
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 6: No, dude, I I had what Sam Hyde would refer

846
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,519
to as a self defense situation. A schizophrenic guy gave

847
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,960
me the old you know, zombie ray hands, and I,

848
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,679
you know, pulled out an implement of violence and he

849
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,199
ran away.

850
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,159
Speaker 2: Well good, I'm glad that I am actually glad that

851
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,119
everyone survived.

852
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 6: That was my tip. I was like, awesome, perfect. And

853
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,599
then when it got to court, he was a great schizophrenic.

854
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,679
So the judge was like you good, and I'm like, yeah,

855
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,880
I'm good. Let's just leave. And that was that.

856
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,079
Speaker 2: I you know, one of the things about the implement

857
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:02,480
of violence laws that that happened. You know it you

858
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,880
end up with like a worse liability if you draw

859
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,760
and don't use it a lot of times. That's crazy

860
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,039
to me, that's bananas. And like it's up to the

861
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,519
judge to just be like is it pretty cool? But

862
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,679
if if the other guy's not, like, they can make

863
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,199
it a problem for you. Like oh, I had to

864
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,800
actually prepare myself to do irrevocable violence to defend myself,

865
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,239
and now I'm in trouble. That's a nonsense. That's obviously

866
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,199
nonsense law.

867
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 7: You know.

868
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 6: Well, I mean the thing that I always think about, right,

869
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,559
is that infamous case of you know, Benny Yetts, right,

870
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,320
the subway shooting in eighty four. Yeah, where it's like,

871
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,199
you know, he gets he gets basically held up. He's

872
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,320
got a legal piece for whatever that means in nineteen

873
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,079
and you know, he beats the charges, but like they

874
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,679
levy a like absurd like forty three million dollars civil

875
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,679
judgment against him. It's just some guy with a job.

876
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,719
And like I mean, you know, the kind of echo

877
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,000
of that was you know Daniel Penny, right, yeah, who

878
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,039
like yeah, sure he skated, but.

879
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Like skating now that's not skating. No, he escaped, uh

880
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,880
you know appropriately, but you can't. They dragged him through

881
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:28,239
everything that's not skating. Would have been like Plansky skated,

882
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,199
that's skating, but like you can't. No, they they did

883
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,960
everything but actually set that dude on fire, and it

884
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,400
it's it's incredibly wrong to have happened, you know.

885
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 6: Well, and it's again it's one of those things where

886
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,519
you see the the whole sort of perverse in sentence

887
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,119
where yeah, you know, say what you will and I

888
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,360
am not. I'm not maximally anti feminist, like you know

889
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,920
some of these guys where it's like that becomes an

890
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:07,360
entire personality. But like, if you assume that the stated

891
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,920
preferences of you know, our governments are correct, right, they'd

892
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,559
be really into protecting women because they talk about it

893
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,559
a lot. But like in a situation like that where

894
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:22,039
a guy is like, hey, you know, you're harassing a woman,

895
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,400
get your mets offer, like it's a race movie and

896
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,079
its it's like the entire state is like, yeah, let's

897
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,639
ruin that guy, Like, let's send him to like you

898
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,800
know that a bad place where he will get stabbed.

899
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:40,119
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think I think bad anti feminism

900
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,239
is one of the things holding us all back the

901
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:50,880
most right now. Poor, Yeah, yeah, I think so, I am.

902
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,760
I Feminism is one of the worst ideas that we've

903
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,920
ever had. Right However, However, the way that people go

904
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:06,440
about what they think they're doing combating feminism is very dumb.

905
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,800
It doesn't get the job done, it's ineffective, and it

906
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:16,119
sort of instead it just makes a It makes an

907
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,679
exhibit for people to point to to say, oh, my goodness,

908
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,800
you see how barbaric it is to be against feminism.

909
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:28,679
Look at these creatures. Well, I my rudest take, my

910
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,519
rudest civilizational take, is if there's a way for you

911
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,960
to just put quotation marks on screen, because I don't

912
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,719
know what, I don't know how YouTube would react to this, Okay,

913
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:50,199
but it is women are not what a man thinks

914
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,480
of when they think of a person. Okay, the algorithm

915
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,320
you use in your head, no, no, just roll with me.

916
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:05,239
I take a okay, take the blank template of person. Okay,

917
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,800
and then what would you expect a person to do?

918
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,320
How would you expect a person to reason, or to

919
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,599
figure or to behave? And then you stand that up

920
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:17,159
against what a woman does, and everyone goes, oh my god,

921
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,440
why are women so crazy? These doesn't make any sense?

922
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,760
And it's like, well, because your model is not this right,

923
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,679
and I think that we do. There was somebody I

924
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,400
saw a while ago that was talking about how language

925
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,880
is shackles for your thinking because you get stuck on

926
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000
words and then you think you know what they mean,

927
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,039
but it's not actually what they really mean. And then

928
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:40,800
you start thinking in the words, and so now you're

929
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,679
thinking is incomplete, and so you have to like break

930
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,880
out of that. Right, Well, if I say women aren't people,

931
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,360
then you go ooh, that's awful. But what I mean

932
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,760
is your model of what a person is is actually

933
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,559
a model of a man. Because you're a man, you

934
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,760
don't understand women at all. And it's actually not possible

935
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,480
for you to really understand women because you aren't one,

936
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,440
you'll never be one. You don't know what they feel like,

937
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,280
you don't know how they think. You have no experience

938
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,039
of the internal world of a woman, and so when

939
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,679
you try to when you try to talk to a woman,

940
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,679
you are talking to a completely different creature than yourself

941
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,760
that has very little, if anything to do with you.

942
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,840
And so when you talk to somebody and you're trying

943
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,960
to communicate, you're going to try and communicate in a

944
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:29,000
way you would like to be communicated with, maybe even like, oh,

945
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,800
what would be my favorite way to be communicate, what

946
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,880
would be the best way to communicate with me? I'm

947
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,320
going to do that. And then it gets shit on

948
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,840
and you don't know why, and it really feels like,

949
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,559
oh my god, women are crazy. They're not crazy. They're women.

950
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,440
You have the wrong standard set. You are playing the

951
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,440
wrong game. It's not you are You've got the wrong controls.

952
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,079
Have you ever like had somebody hand you in a

953
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,639
console controller and it's just all the buttons are wrong,

954
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,320
that's what.

955
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. Thing, It's like the guys that play with like

956
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,679
inverted sticks or whatever, where you're just like, what am

957
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,119
I doing? Yes, Well, honestly, I think we're actually in

958
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:08,760
agreement here because, and this is again on a modern scale,

959
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880
a very controversial thing that you know, two hundred years

960
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,360
ago is just assumed knowledge.

961
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:17,599
Speaker 2: Is obviously yeah, to every other historical situation. If you

962
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:21,679
asked anybody in any other time period ever, they would

963
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,000
go yeah, dun Like, what do you mean, why are

964
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,599
you even asking?

965
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like, well, men and women are completely and

966
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,800
totally different things, right, you know, and obviously look like

967
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,000
these are very large populations. I'm sure there's some overlap,

968
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,880
but like we're a nulty, we can talk about groups, right,

969
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,400
and in a weird way. One of the things that

970
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,000
modernity has done by insisting that men and women are

971
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,559
exactly the same is it has sort of made everyone

972
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:56,679
a sexual because it's like, you know, every man is

973
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,119
emasculated and every woman is defeminized.

974
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: Right, every man is an awful woman and every woman

975
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:04,079
is a really bad man.

976
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:07,599
Speaker 6: That's yes, all of them. And people are mutually miserable.

977
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,400
Like if you look at the data on this, right,

978
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,960
Like I'm I'm a zoomer, so we'll take gen z Okay, yeah, yeah, like, uh,

979
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,480
no one is getting married, let alone, no one's having sex,

980
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:22,719
no one's talking to women. Yeah, and sure, okay, you know,

981
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,639
if we're talking about civilizational variables maximizing for you know,

982
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,039
just clicking the button that says sex may not be

983
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,880
the best thing, but it's like a trailing indicator of like, oh,

984
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,800
these people are not interacting. And if you looked at

985
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,159
you know, women's mental health, if you look at any

986
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:43,239
of these metrics we're talking about entropy, this is a

987
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,960
system that entropy has hit hard.

988
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

989
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 6: And the framework I think about it is that we've

990
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,880
sort of you know, got into a like prisoner's dilemma

991
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,039
problem where it's like each and the fact that we

992
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,920
have turned men and women into like different political classes bonkers,

993
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,119
Like it's a horrible idea. Like look at South Korea

994
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,920
where there's like man party and woman party and no

995
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,800
one actually reproduces.

996
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

997
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: Effectively, each camp so to speak, has a way to

998
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:20,639
screw the other person over Like obviously you know people

999
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,800
are aware of like divorce court. You know, the male

1000
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,320
version is sort of you know, stringing along a woman

1001
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,559
forever and then leaving her. Yeah, you know, we were

1002
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:32,519
aware that both bad behaviors exist. But it's like, in

1003
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:35,719
order to clear that like period of entropy and just

1004
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,079
show up to the next round of the game, if

1005
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,320
it were, you sort of have to open yourself up

1006
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,159
to being screwed to achieve the sort of optimism. Yeah,

1007
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:46,960
of course result like if you you see what I

1008
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,519
mean right, the kind of game theory of it.

1009
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:55,079
Speaker 2: Of course, of course. So I think the better model,

1010
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
or at least a better model, just for for any

1011
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,079
guy that's that heard me say, if you're thinking of

1012
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,559
a woman as a person, then you're using the wrong

1013
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,719
model in your head. A better model that you will

1014
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,440
understand that you will be able to actionably use is

1015
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,800
to imagine her as your most cherished possession. Okay. Now

1016
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,000
whether this is technically true or not doesn't matter. I'm

1017
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,760
telling you just use that model. Okay. Whatever, your very

1018
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,360
favorite thing that you own is This is going to

1019
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,880
inform you how to behave with her way more than

1020
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:34,079
any other social model that you've got lying around in

1021
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:40,239
your head. Right now, use that one and I understand that. God,

1022
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:46,679
that fucking the movie Aladdin, all right, Princess Jasmine's howling

1023
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:48,840
speech about how she's not a prize to be one

1024
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:57,840
completely destroyed millennials. It deleted millennial marriage almost completely, because

1025
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,440
you'd better be If you want me to try to

1026
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,719
win you, you'd better be a prize to be one.

1027
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,800
And they all insisted on not being. They all insisted

1028
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:16,320
on not doing that. And so if you treat them

1029
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,079
like they are, it lends them more towards acting like

1030
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,400
they are, which makes them more likely to be a

1031
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,360
prize to be one, and then everybody's happier. But try

1032
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,960
to align that model in your head, anybody listening. The

1033
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,480
more you do that, you'll find you have an answer

1034
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,920
of what to do next. That's a better answer than

1035
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,599
the one if you if you have to sit down

1036
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:43,239
and do God, have you have you ever seen one

1037
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,239
of those relationship performance review videos?

1038
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,079
Speaker 6: Yes, those are that should be a capital offense, like

1039
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:54,760
we should.

1040
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: Not allow those.

1041
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, let's run this relationship like a business. Yeah, literally,

1042
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,840
an insane person that idea.

1043
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely well and you know, well, So here's I

1044
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:11,639
think this is one of the natural consequences of hormonal

1045
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:15,679
birth control. Yes it is. It is not possible for

1046
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,639
her to fall in love with you if her body

1047
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:22,360
is already convinced she's pregnant. Why would that make any sense?

1048
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,480
Like this, that would be a shitty adaptation. That would

1049
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,159
be the like, the most awful ability for a mammal

1050
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:33,599
to have. Oh, this mammal can pair bond while pregnant

1051
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:37,840
with somebody else's baby. No, that's not gonna work because

1052
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,800
whoever you pair bond with right now, he's gonna kill

1053
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,039
that baby. That's what's gonna happen in the jungle or whatever,

1054
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,639
right Like, there's no other mammal out there that's just

1055
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,599
cool with that. That's not what's gonna happen. So, if

1056
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,000
you are putting this in a woman's body and she's

1057
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:57,760
been on birth control literally since the entire time she's

1058
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,480
been a woman, there's no way she has any idea

1059
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:03,639
what it's like to be in love with you. She

1060
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,559
could never tell. She would never know, So, uh, why

1061
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,039
would you expect her to run it any other way,

1062
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,079
like what else should you do? Well, we have all

1063
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:17,400
these corporate structures. We have giant legal structure that informs

1064
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,320
decision making for all these kind of things. Oh, let's

1065
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:22,679
you know what, Let's run our household like a business.

1066
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,320
That is a completely logical This is a This is

1067
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,639
what I mean by like using the wrong model for something.

1068
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,199
This makes total sense. If you're just some dude she

1069
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,440
knows that she lives with of course, yeah, that you're

1070
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,440
her roommate. She should run the house like a business.

1071
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,599
Speaker 6: Well, and of course when I say that, right, when

1072
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:44,679
I say like a business, I understand that in a

1073
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,559
previous era, the household effectively was the unit of business.

1074
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,159
Sure when I say that now, I mean like like

1075
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,320
corporate America. Yeah, I mean and again right that we're

1076
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:01,480
talking about incentives. Right, if you you are kind of

1077
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:07,159
average atomized human female, right like birds, control makes a

1078
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,280
ton of sense, right, because getting saddled with like some

1079
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,480
dude's baby ruins your life, you know.

1080
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: Well, so, like I wonder about that, though I'm not

1081
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:20,639
sure I think so Like recently.

1082
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,719
Speaker 6: There was calculation being made, it is.

1083
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that is the calculation being made. I

1084
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,199
just think that people have been really bad at math.

1085
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,960
So the like, there was this a recent hullabaloo. I

1086
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,760
forget which organization it was reclassified hormonal birth control for

1087
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,880
women as a Class one cancer risk or whatever, I

1088
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,519
forget what the exact word was, but it went around

1089
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:47,480
the internet like last week that hey, ladies, it's not

1090
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,800
just dangerous for you, but it's the most kind of

1091
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,880
dangerous for you when it comes to like breast cancer

1092
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,880
and ovarian cancer and all this kind of stuff. Right, So,

1093
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,800
and there was thousands of women acting this like what

1094
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,360
the fuck do you mean? What do you mean it

1095
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:05,679
causes cancer? It's like, well, yeah, they told you when

1096
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:08,320
they put you on it that it causes cancer. It's

1097
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,639
just that you were twelve at the time, so you

1098
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:11,920
don't remember they told you that, and you've been using

1099
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,559
it ever since, you know. Well, that's their reaction to

1100
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:20,199
this risk they didn't understand that they were taking. Was

1101
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,679
very telling to me. And there's a lot of other

1102
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,559
risks that they don't tell you about, or that they

1103
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,480
don't really document all that much, or that of course

1104
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,360
they don't necessarily want you to know, because it seems

1105
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,440
like the kind of thing that would be very superpowered,

1106
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:36,880
right the sexual revolution is sort of the creation myth

1107
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:44,559
of the entire boomer world. You know, the idea that

1108
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:52,440
like Woodstock is the Garden of Eden to boomers.

1109
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, it's like the innocent world before you had

1110
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,320
to be an adult. And it's why yeah, you know,

1111
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,280
like the I can't remember the exact ratio, but it's

1112
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,679
something like eight times the number of people who actually

1113
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:05,920
went to Woodstock plane you.

1114
01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, Oh, it's hundreds. I'm

1115
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:14,039
sure it's hundreds of times. But the the idea of hey,

1116
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,159
maybe maybe if we just say it, here's another way

1117
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,599
to say exactly this. Everything I'm about to say about

1118
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:25,519
birth control is completely true. Birth control poisons your ability

1119
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,559
to get pregnant. That's what it does. That's its job.

1120
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:32,239
It is a poison that stops you from becoming pregnant.

1121
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:35,679
Some of the other things it does. It may cause cancer. Gosh,

1122
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:42,199
it prevents you from being able to tell if you're

1123
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:45,679
a good match with a man by his smell. It

1124
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:50,400
makes men who are chemically compatible with you smell like

1125
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,800
your brother, Like that's actually a thing. It makes it

1126
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,880
smell like you know how everybody hates the whole Like,

1127
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,960
oh my god, you're like a brother to me. That's

1128
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:03,360
how that happened. It changes what you smell like to

1129
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,360
a woman who is pregnant or is on hormone on

1130
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,400
birth control, because normally, yes, they would huff you, and

1131
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,360
all of the chemistry that happens with that actually lets

1132
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:27,719
her know whether your blood type is wrong. Two have babies, Like, yeah,

1133
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,280
so that's gone. The T shirt tests, the T shirt study,

1134
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,920
whatever that was, hormonal birth control totally nukes that. And

1135
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:41,159
I have a I have a here's a not necessarily

1136
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:42,880
true thing, but it doesn't feel like a lie when

1137
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:52,480
I'm saying it. You know how religiously extreme communities always

1138
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,320
have a bunch of kids, like a lot of kids, Like,

1139
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,199
holy moly, how did you have so many kids?

1140
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 6: Yeah? Okay, so nice to meet antagonist. Well is the

1141
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,239
resident religious extremist.

1142
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,679
Speaker 2: Well, now, I wouldn't say I'm a religious extrement part

1143
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:09,079
I'm not.

1144
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:11,519
Speaker 6: I'm joking. That's where I came from, you know.

1145
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,599
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, right, oh well then nice to meet you.

1146
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:19,719
Very good. So, you know, there's a thing that religiously

1147
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,159
religious extremist communities do that nobody else really does, and

1148
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,159
that is that the women do actually kind of just

1149
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:29,599
hang out with the women, and they don't really hang

1150
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:33,239
out with unrelated men. They don't go and work with

1151
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,159
the public, or at least they work with the public

1152
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:40,199
a whole lot less at a much lower rate than

1153
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:43,880
the average American woman does. Well, there's a funny thing

1154
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,400
that happens in mammals, and it's been very thoroughly documented

1155
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,800
in rats. And I know that rats are not humans,

1156
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,079
We're different, But evolution is very evolution conserves a lot

1157
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:58,960
of things. So did you know just trivia that if

1158
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:05,239
a if a pregnant rat smells an unrelated male rat, right,

1159
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,679
so not from the same litter, not from the same parents,

1160
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:09,239
And I forget how far out it has to go,

1161
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,320
but if they smell them, they have a seventy eight

1162
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:20,640
percent chance of miscarriage, just right there. I think that

1163
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:27,399
having women interacting with the public at large and not

1164
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,319
being the word that always comes up as cloistered, not

1165
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:35,039
being protected by their their own like their family and

1166
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:39,560
their community, like their type community, not strangers from nowhere,

1167
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,119
you know, I think that may be like the largest

1168
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:47,520
contributor of lost pregnancies. I wouldn't be surprised to find

1169
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that out, Like if I got to ask God, and

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God just told me, Yeah, that was it. I'd be

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01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,960
like I fucking knew, right, Like, ah yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well honestly. So another another really interesting one. Friend of

1173
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:07,199
the show Aidan Paladin, who's been on the internet forever.

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01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,720
She had a really interesting article come out where she

1175
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was basically tracking the sex ratio at birth of Okay,

1176
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:21,279
So basically the thesis that she was working on is

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that in times of extress or extremity, the population becomes

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,720
male biased, right, sure, because oh wait, did I get

1179
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,119
that backwards? No, no, it becomes male biased because basically

1180
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:40,640
the assumption is no, no, it is female bias. Sorry, because

1181
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,079
females are a better shot of your genes getting into

1182
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:49,479
the future, right They basically they tend to survive. Males

1183
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,439
have both higher infant mortality and also higher just a

1184
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,640
general mortality. Yeah yeah, and you have they have a

1185
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,960
much flatter bell curve as well, so like you have

1186
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:02,439
more male te and more male morons, and so basically,

1187
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,439
in a time of scarcity, okay, that it gets closer

1188
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,319
and closer to fifty fifty or even to you know,

1189
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:14,279
more women than not. Right. And what she found that

1190
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:21,279
was particularly interesting is that the sex ratios in weird countries, right,

1191
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:24,439
the kind of like wealthy West are basically as bad

1192
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,119
as like a country experiencing extreme famine. And her point

1193
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:32,159
was basically like, there is some huge stressor you know,

1194
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:34,239
whether it's what you know, what you mentioned, or something

1195
01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:38,760
else that is taking this biological system and twisting it

1196
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,560
outside of stasis where it sort of wants.

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Speaker 2: To be okay.

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Speaker 6: And I think one of the other things that's ahead

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of what we're talking about that is interesting that in

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01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,640
my experience, particularly religious communities do as well, is that

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01:10:54,319 --> 01:11:02,560
they have a sort of informal system of like basically

1202
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,039
like setting people up like semi arranged marriages almost yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1203
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:12,119
yeah yeah. That additionally get you started in that process

1204
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:14,720
much much earlier, you know, so you're not playing the

1205
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,760
field for ten years. Your dad friends with her dad.

1206
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,199
You guys got married at twenty two, right in my

1207
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:21,640
case for example, you.

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01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: Know, congratulations, I liked that. Wow. I don't think that.

1209
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:35,520
I think that arranged marriages probably did a lot more

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,319
work for humanity than we give them credit for.

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01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 6: For Oh yeah, we're talking about a system that could

1212
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:44,920
withstand entropy, you know.

1213
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:50,319
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm pretty sure that Okay, So, well, whose

1214
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:55,840
opinion should you trust a twenty year old woman who

1215
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:58,760
you know, she's twenty she's gonna do twenty year old

1216
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,279
woman things, or her dad who's gonna know better about

1217
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,079
who she should be spending her time around. And I

1218
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,920
it's very obvious, like, oh, well, she should probably ask

1219
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,079
her dad, you know, Like.

1220
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,079
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it, you see this on both sides, right,

1221
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:20,840
Like what's the big joke about, you know, marines fresh

1222
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,600
out of boot camp?

1223
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:22,159
Speaker 2: Right?

1224
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 6: It's that they buy you know, camaros at twenty eight

1225
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,039
percent interest in Mary a hooker.

1226
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1227
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like you are at a position in your

1228
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,039
life where your you know, libido is very high and

1229
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:35,359
your wisdom is very low. Yeah, yeah, and it is

1230
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,560
very easy to fall into a position where you know

1231
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:43,199
that sort of like store of either family or civilizational

1232
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:47,359
capital gets wasted because you know, you found a stripper

1233
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:48,439
that you thought really loved you.

1234
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, Although I would say, like there's no there

1235
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:57,600
are there are some archetypes that there is just no

1236
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,399
prying each other away from. And I think think marine

1237
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,800
just out of boot camp and uh and hooker, you're

1238
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,680
not gonna get those two aparty. I think you're gonna burn.

1239
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 6: It's Lindy as they say.

1240
01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not happening. That's just not gonna occur. Uh,

1241
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,600
you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose that dice roll every time. Dude.

1242
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,720
I think instead, it would be better, It would be better.

1243
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,159
And this is actually we're talking about this as I'm

1244
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,840
about to say this, this does feel true. Instead, what

1245
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,479
you should do and what what seriously the Marines should

1246
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,319
consider is they really need to have a file worked

1247
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,840
up on each one of the strippers anywhere near the base,

1248
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,319
like an hour's drive from base, and they actually need

1249
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:44,600
to be setting up particular dudes with particular strippers who

1250
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,840
they think are gonna actually get along after all, because

1251
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,560
you're not gonna stop them from interacting. You're not gonna

1252
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,680
stop the marine for going from going for it. But

1253
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,479
what you can do is you can put the right

1254
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:56,199
one in front of.

1255
01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:00,119
Speaker 6: Him, you know, private you have been handed.

1256
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 2: Crystal, Yeah, exactly exactly.

1257
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,199
Speaker 6: Or alternately, you have the Roman solution, which is just

1258
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:08,600
you cannot legally get married while you're in the army.

1259
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that. That like, that doesn't

1260
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:20,720
that doesn't strike me correctly. I think you know, the

1261
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,079
Romans were very impressive in a number of ways, but

1262
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:28,199
I think they really I think we can all accept

1263
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:32,680
the fact that maybe they didn't they didn't treat their

1264
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,760
their soldiers right. In the end, it didn't work out.

1265
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,319
It just didn't go I number one cause of death

1266
01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:45,720
for Roman emperors. They're soldiers, so you like, you can't

1267
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:48,279
probably not the right probably not.

1268
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:52,279
Speaker 6: The right move. Well, dude, weird twelve minutes over time,

1269
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,319
it's been a ton of fun. Man, I'll have to

1270
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:57,000
have you back on. I always enjoy these or it's

1271
01:14:57,079 --> 01:14:58,720
like sort of a you know, a shot in the

1272
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,840
dark where you're like, yeah, we'd probably and it's a

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it's a great interview. Well where can people find you

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if they want more of you? Talk yess?

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a human centipede of content. You have no opinions anymore.

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