Speaker 1: You see, some things are going to happen. What's going
Speaker 1: to happen?
Speaker 2: A Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode.
Speaker 3: We got a bunch of us here and We've got
Speaker 3: a very special guest, another person I had met at
Speaker 3: the Cosmic Summit and I'm very happy I have to
Speaker 3: finally get him on. But before we introduce the guests,
Speaker 3: we will have the other rejects introduce themselves.
Speaker 2: And first we got Brooke. What is going on? Brooke?
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Thank you for having me. Hello, fellow rejects.
Speaker 5: I'm really excited to be here and talk about this topic.
Speaker 5: You can find me on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, thank you very much. Go check out her YouTube.
Speaker 3: She's got some new uh like on the ground, boots
Speaker 3: on the ground, actual stuff, so go check it out.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Broke. And we got my manage
Speaker 2: in the Ninja. What is going on? Are?
Speaker 6: What is up?
Speaker 1: Cardinal?
Speaker 7: So I'm jin The Ninja hosts a show called Threshold Saints.
Speaker 7: It's serial experiments and speculative ontology. Nick just pulled me
Speaker 7: from another live that I co host with a group
Speaker 7: of other magicians which is called The Gray Lodge, which
Speaker 7: we host a pirate radio show on Twitter. So tonight's
Speaker 7: theme was ruin culture, so it's speculative cultural ecologies. So
Speaker 7: if you're interested in kind of like ideas in metamagic,
Speaker 7: metafiction and metapolitics, those could be a cool space for you.
Speaker 7: You can check me out on ig at Threshold Saints.
Speaker 7: You can check me out on Twitter at Wukongrie Bourne,
Speaker 7: w Wu Kong Reborn and the show account at Threshold Saints.
Speaker 6: Thanks Nick, and thanks for the how as well.
Speaker 2: Of course, no thank you. Definitely go check out his spaces.
Speaker 3: I will say, I mean, I've been in there a
Speaker 3: few times and they do definitely get into some deep
Speaker 3: shit and it's really good, honestly, so go check it out.
Speaker 3: And then we got my man Tim Constantine. What is
Speaker 3: going on, sir? So glad that you can make it today?
Speaker 1: Hey me too happy to be here.
Speaker 8: Good to see all the other rejects, Dave looking forward
Speaker 8: to this. I've got a Sunday show called Conspiracy Garden
Speaker 8: over on Cult Conspiracy and my main show is where
Speaker 8: you could probably find me the best is sixth Censory Podcasts, Spotify, Apple, Instagram, YouTube,
Speaker 8: all that stuff. So always happy to be here, Nick.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, definitely go check out Tim and Julia's work
Speaker 3: on the culture conspiracy. You got two rejects over there
Speaker 3: putting out their own stuff. Go check it out. Thank
Speaker 3: you very much, Tim, And we.
Speaker 2: Got my man Tyrone. What is up, sir? How are
Speaker 2: you today? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Hey? What's up?
Speaker 9: Dave?
Speaker 10: Welcome man, Glad to see you. Man, been in about
Speaker 10: two three weeks before. We have some good discussions. Man,
Speaker 10: good to see you. Everything that you want to read
Speaker 10: about me or know about me, it's on my website,
Speaker 10: Rebirth of theWord dot com. You can also buy my
Speaker 10: book Journey through the Origins of History through Amazon, which
Speaker 10: became bestseller. So thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, I appreciate you. And last but not least,
Speaker 3: we got the man himself, Ethan Indigo.
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 1: So peace?
Speaker 9: Honored to be here, Thank you so much, Nick, and
Speaker 9: everybody salute. Honored to communicate with you, guys, Dave. I
Speaker 9: know this is going to be dope. Excellent topic of interest,
Speaker 9: what a great study, and very timely. Ethan Indigo Smith.
Speaker 9: I'm on all the usual social media and I have
Speaker 9: a few books on Amazon as well, and trying to
Speaker 9: write articles regularly, so this is gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Do you want to plug any like specific books on
Speaker 3: anything and tell people where they can go find?
Speaker 9: Oh, you know what, The Fourth Initiation is my most
Speaker 9: recent book. I highly recommend it. I just even found
Speaker 9: a I was I was talking about the Ruffians in
Speaker 9: relation to the Jaquin and Boaz pillars and the three
Speaker 9: Ruffians and yeah, that's all in there and now and
Speaker 9: some highly interesting stuff. And I've been reading Tyrone's book
Speaker 9: as well, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, nice, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: And finally to the man himself, we got Dave from
Speaker 3: Mike and Dave's Multiverse. Dave, please let everybody know what
Speaker 3: your deal is. What's where they can find all of
Speaker 3: your stuff and whatever you like to blow?
Speaker 11: Yeah, we got a channel, Mike and Dave's Multiverse. I'm
Speaker 11: the Dave of Mike and Dave's. We do a live
Speaker 11: stream on Thursdays around seven. We usually have guests. We
Speaker 11: talk about shit Mike and I like, which is like science, lost,
Speaker 11: ancient history, that kind of thing. We drop interviews every Friday.
Speaker 11: Sometimes we drop interviews on Monday. The interviews are just
Speaker 11: with people we think are interesting, typically in the space
Speaker 11: of lost ancient history and that kind of thing. But
Speaker 11: I'll talk to anyone I think that has an interesting story.
Speaker 11: I'm a people person, and so I'm also a veteran.
Speaker 11: So I've talked to a bunch of veterans with stories.
Speaker 11: And Tyrone's been on my show like five different times. Ricardo,
Speaker 11: who's a Who's longtime friend and guest of this show,
Speaker 11: has been on my show a bunch of times. And
Speaker 11: it's fun.
Speaker 1: We're having a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 11: We just started building it last year and I literally
Speaker 11: just went to Cosmic Summit last year and I was
Speaker 11: like the year before this year last year, and I
Speaker 11: was like, I met Mike there, and then I sent
Speaker 11: him a text a few months later said you want
Speaker 11: to start a shitty podcast?
Speaker 1: Was like, let's go.
Speaker 11: So here I am I normally so just FYI. The
Speaker 11: topic is three I at lists, the new interstellar object.
Speaker 1: I am in no way qualified to talk about this. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 11: I'm an amateur astronomer. I have a telescope myself. I
Speaker 11: got into astronomy when I was living in California. You
Speaker 11: see the stars out there in the desert like nobody's business.
Speaker 11: It's ridiculous. And that's why I literally went out to
Speaker 11: the desert and Joshua Tree saw the Milky Way for
Speaker 11: the first time, and then.
Speaker 1: Bought my first telescope.
Speaker 11: And I have that telescope upstairs and I'm going to
Speaker 11: use it to look at this object in September. So
Speaker 11: that's the object that we are going to talk about today.
Speaker 11: And when I found out about it, I just, I
Speaker 11: don't know. I became obsessed over like the last two weeks,
Speaker 11: and I've been like reading about it and grocking about
Speaker 11: it and reading articles and making a PowerPoint and then
Speaker 11: Nick sends me a message like a couple days ago.
Speaker 1: Hey, you want to come on the show do your thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, fuck it, let's do it.
Speaker 11: So I'm used to being the host, but now I'm
Speaker 11: going to be doing a presentation for you guys on
Speaker 11: three I at lists. I just wanted to ask though
Speaker 11: the chat and you guys like, what what do you
Speaker 11: what have you guys heard?
Speaker 3: Just you know, until I had seen something on it,
Speaker 3: didn't look into it. I saw it like scrolling and
Speaker 3: didn't know anything.
Speaker 2: Until you told me about covering it, so.
Speaker 9: Now anyone else I was interested in it since the
Speaker 9: Omahoma forget my lack of pronouncing that care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's close, You're close.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was going to say that, but yeah, since
Speaker 9: that came through, and some of the speculation on that
Speaker 9: by the same gentleman, primarily I believe, Yeah, correct, I
Speaker 9: love so Yeah, I'm fascinating.
Speaker 11: We'll be talking about him and his speculation tonight, Brook,
Speaker 11: to have you heard about this?
Speaker 5: I was going to ask, does it have any correlation
Speaker 5: to the Black Knight satellite? Is it the same thing?
Speaker 11: No, not at all, But I should do one on
Speaker 11: that that That thing's pretty badass, so maybe I'll do
Speaker 11: another one.
Speaker 1: On that one. Yeah. Well, I look forward to.
Speaker 5: Learning about this.
Speaker 1: Cool awesome. Tim Brook stole my question.
Speaker 8: That's exactly what I was going to say, because I'm
Speaker 8: familiar with that I had. I talked to Cliff Dunning
Speaker 8: about the Black Knight satellite as well. I think at
Speaker 8: one point he was working on a book about it,
Speaker 8: so that's what came to mind for me. But no,
Speaker 8: this is new to me, so I'm I'm excited to
Speaker 8: hear about it.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 11: Well, Three, I Atlas is a interstellar object, the third
Speaker 11: of its tyrone and Ethan mentioned a mua mua.
Speaker 1: Which is Hawaiian.
Speaker 11: I'm going to tell you what that stands for here
Speaker 11: in a bit or what it's what it means in Hawaiian.
Speaker 1: But it's the actually the third of its kind.
Speaker 11: We've only discovered three of these things since Muhamud was
Speaker 11: discovered at twenty seventeen. There was one discovered called Borisov
Speaker 11: by a dude named Borisov, and so an amateur. Borsov
Speaker 11: was an amateur astronomer as well. So this is the
Speaker 11: third one. We're going to cover.
Speaker 1: This one, we're going.
Speaker 11: To cover, uh, the other two. We're going to do
Speaker 11: some comparisons. We're going to speculate because I love speculating.
Speaker 11: We're going to check out the actual science behind what
Speaker 11: we actually know about this thing and what we know
Speaker 11: about the other stuff, and what we can find out
Speaker 11: what we can look forward to in the future about
Speaker 11: this object.
Speaker 1: So when he comments questions concerns before I pull up
Speaker 1: my slides, oh at all. All right, So I've.
Speaker 11: Never done this on this platform before, So let's give
Speaker 11: this a go.
Speaker 3: Sure, Oh, one thing, I mean, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: already kind of answered it somewhat, but like, what was
Speaker 3: it that like really got you going on looking into it.
Speaker 1: On this one? Yeah, yeah, good question. It's the a Muhamua,
Speaker 1: and it's the fact.
Speaker 11: That there is uh it's an interstellar object, only the
Speaker 11: third of its kind, so it's extremely rare, extremely and
Speaker 11: so it's one of those things that we very rarely
Speaker 11: get a chance to look at or study, and it excites,
Speaker 11: it ignites like wild speculation. So people been speculating like
Speaker 11: nobody's business about this thing, and we're going to get
Speaker 11: into a little bit about that as well.
Speaker 1: So that that's kind of what got me into it.
Speaker 11: And I got a new computer so I was been
Speaker 11: fucking around with that all week. So so can you
Speaker 11: guys see the slides show?
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, there we go.
Speaker 1: Awesome, perfect, awesome.
Speaker 11: Yeah, can you see mothership or big ass space rock.
Speaker 1: So we're going to compare a Muamua, Borisov, and Atlas.
Speaker 11: And I guess the best place to start this for
Speaker 11: me personally is you got to go back all the
Speaker 11: way to nineteen ninety three. I was eleven years old.
Speaker 11: I had a neighbor girl who was sixteen, and my
Speaker 11: mom paid me, paid her to take me.
Speaker 1: To the movies.
Speaker 11: She's supposed to take me to some kid kid movie,
Speaker 11: and I ended up see I ended up talking into
Speaker 11: taking me to see Fire in the Sky.
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever seen that?
Speaker 10: Yes, that's actually one of my favorite movies man with
Speaker 10: Travis Waltman.
Speaker 12: Bro.
Speaker 2: That's actually what got me into aliens and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That was one of them eleven years old. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fire in the Sky has Robert Patrick, who.
Speaker 11: Was the T one thousand and Terminator two as well,
Speaker 11: So pretty badass.
Speaker 1: Great movie started this whole thing for me.
Speaker 11: Also, the same year my favorite show of all time
Speaker 11: came out, The X Files.
Speaker 1: Okay, and since then.
Speaker 11: I've been a bit of a ufone nut, but I'm
Speaker 11: pretty rational guy as well. I just you can see
Speaker 11: behind me, I got an XOLS post. I want to believe,
Speaker 11: but I just don't believe everything I see her here.
Speaker 11: I like to I like to dig into this ship.
Speaker 11: So let's take a look at the first link. It's
Speaker 11: a short time lapse of what this thing that we've found.
Speaker 1: The three I at list looks like. All right, so
Speaker 1: go ahead and show that.
Speaker 2: Nick, Sure, all right, pull this up.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to reshare a screen every time you
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'll just pull yours down and yours will
Speaker 3: stay like in the background, and then I'll wine up.
Speaker 2: Got it? Here we goes here, don't don't touch nothing.
Speaker 2: We're good, yep. Okay, So I guess I started this
Speaker 2: from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, started from the beginning. Ships short, you can enlarge it.
Speaker 1: So this is it. This is three I at Lias. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we got.
Speaker 11: And this is what is ignited wild speculation across the internet.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is three I Atlas. Now, so we're.
Speaker 11: Gonna rip on my boy here. Joe Rogan love his
Speaker 11: channel watched probably a million hours of it. But and
Speaker 11: I do this ship all the time. Okay, what Joe's
Speaker 11: about to do here? Okay, but this is just what
Speaker 11: I mean. We went from this to what Joe says
Speaker 11: on the largest platform in the world.
Speaker 1: So let's check out the second link that I sent Nick.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 11: We're gonna watch us for a few seconds, so hopefully
Speaker 11: it doesn't get your demontesed.
Speaker 1: If it does, at least we had fun.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I'm gonna put this sound up too,
Speaker 3: And do you know where it is around or is
Speaker 3: it just right.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, right right, you're right off the bat. Yeah.
Speaker 12: He's a professor at Harvard the general experience.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
Speaker 12: Do you hear about that fucking object that's hurtling totals
Speaker 12: birth at like one hundred and thirty thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might solve all our problems.
Speaker 12: Some intergalactic object that's hurt This is this guy, Avi Lobe.
Speaker 12: He's a professor at Harvard that believes it might be
Speaker 12: an alien probe.
Speaker 2: Wow. And he was talking.
Speaker 12: About the odds of this thing being in the trajectory
Speaker 12: that it is entering into our solar system and a
Speaker 12: direct path with Earth. The odds are extremely low. And
Speaker 12: at the place where it's doing it, it's when the
Speaker 12: Earth is the opposite side of the Sun, so it's
Speaker 12: coming from behind the Sun, and it's so it makes
Speaker 12: it difficult to detect. And that this object is in
Speaker 12: a direct line to come to Earth in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can of it and give me back my slides.
Speaker 2: All right, hey, why you're doing it? I uh av Low.
Speaker 10: His book is actually interesting about the extraterrestrial version of
Speaker 10: that of what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: The Amamua yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it is interesting, and uh, you know, I have
Speaker 11: a bit of a love hate relationship.
Speaker 1: With a VI that will get to but I like
Speaker 1: speculation like that.
Speaker 11: It sparks, uh you know, it sparks interest, and it
Speaker 11: sparks like people wanting to look into this stuff. So
Speaker 11: right now, there's because of av Lobe coming out on
Speaker 11: this new one, there's thousands and thousands of amateur amateur
Speaker 11: telescopes being pointed at this object right now.
Speaker 1: So it just gives an opportunity to uh look into
Speaker 1: this ship.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: So there's a few things Joe said there that.
Speaker 11: So first of all, he mentions Avilobe, who we're going
Speaker 11: to cover.
Speaker 1: But he's one of the only guys.
Speaker 11: Who says that this thing is alien.
Speaker 1: Okay, most scientists say it's not.
Speaker 11: However, you guys have had a lot of ancient history
Speaker 11: people on the show, right, Most archaeologists, Egyptologists and stuff
Speaker 11: say oh, we already know the story, right, and then
Speaker 11: there's people go out on a limb and say, hey, actually,
Speaker 11: I think that story is bullshit. So you can think
Speaker 11: of Avilbe as Robert Schuck or Graham Hancock or something
Speaker 11: in the ancient history world, Okay, And I was going
Speaker 11: to say, next slide to you, but I'm actually talking
Speaker 11: to myself.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go.
Speaker 11: So after nineteen ninety three, we get these guys, all right,
Speaker 11: Independence Day I believe nineteen ninety seven, Deep Impact and
Speaker 11: Armageddon I believe came out both in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: To ask you, guys, what do you.
Speaker 11: See in common about these three advertisements for these three movies.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a couple different things.
Speaker 8: Predictive programming, sure, yeah, yeah, definitely, what.
Speaker 3: Else, regardless, it is something that's going to like impact
Speaker 3: the earth and devastated.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, anything else.
Speaker 2: Horrible?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who are we looking at here? Who are we looking at?
Speaker 5: Bruce Willis?
Speaker 11: Bruce Willis, Yeah, Morgan Freeman, will Smith. These are three
Speaker 11: of the biggest actors in Hollywood in the nineties, right,
Speaker 11: And uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying that that might be for a reason. Right,
Speaker 11: somebody mentioned predictive programming, right, right.
Speaker 9: Right, Dave.
Speaker 8: I would add to that because I like where you're
Speaker 8: going with this and say, well, maybe you've seen this,
Speaker 8: so I'll just throw it out there. There's a I
Speaker 8: don't promote Wikipedia. There is one couple good Wikipedia articles
Speaker 8: that I've seen. One is called the Military Entertainment Complex,
Speaker 8: and it has a list of movies that were made
Speaker 8: with the DoD and other forms of government, including the CIA,
Speaker 8: and these gentlemen here that we're looking at, a lot
Speaker 8: of their movies are on that list.
Speaker 1: I would believe that one hundred percent.
Speaker 11: I'd love for you to send me that list actually,
Speaker 11: or tell me after when we get offline so I
Speaker 11: can check it out. But yeah, I believe that one
Speaker 11: hundred percent. I have a question here, and it's are
Speaker 11: you the mark?
Speaker 1: Am I the mark?
Speaker 11: The mark is a pro wrestling term, meaning like when
Speaker 11: Whole Cogan stabs his butts friend in the back and
Speaker 11: the whole crowd goes no, and then there's maybe like
Speaker 11: ten people in the crowd are like, oh, this is fake.
Speaker 1: The mark is the guy that's like, oh no, Whole
Speaker 1: Cogan turned bad.
Speaker 11: I can't believe it, right, And I generally think that
Speaker 11: we're all the mark in some way or another, not
Speaker 11: just on this topic but in most But I personally
Speaker 11: fucking love all three of these movies too, so I've
Speaker 11: seen them all a million times. There's another one that
Speaker 11: came out in nineteen ninety seven, Contacts starring Jody Foster, where.
Speaker 2: She was bugged out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a trip, right.
Speaker 11: She's she's working at the Aricibo Observatory in Puerto Rico,
Speaker 11: and she is the lead scientist for SETI, the Search
Speaker 11: for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which I don't believe is still in operation.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 8: Carl Sagan wrote the original script for that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it really is. Go ahead, I said.
Speaker 2: Carl Sagan's a rather interesting guy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 10: Y'all forgot the best one out the while. Y'all don't
Speaker 10: remember the arrival? Remember when he was able to bend
Speaker 10: to knees backwards and ship.
Speaker 1: At the arrival? Was that in the nineties, That's what
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what Charlie Sheen I got.
Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that one. I'll have to look
Speaker 1: in to it, man, I don't remember that one.
Speaker 11: I remember these guys because one of the themes, and
Speaker 11: somebody mentioned is that I think Nick mentioned, is that
Speaker 11: in Deep Impact and Armageddon came out in the.
Speaker 1: Same year, an asteroid is coming for Earth.
Speaker 11: In the government it has to save us, right and
Speaker 11: Independence Day is an alien mothership and we need the
Speaker 11: government to save us. Will Smith, Right, So if this
Speaker 11: thing is, if this thing we're about to talk to
Speaker 11: you today talk about today as.
Speaker 1: An alien mothership, Will Smith better get his shit together.
Speaker 1: We're gonna need his ass, right, So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to hang around this slide too much.
Speaker 11: Just a short agenda, interstellar object overview, detection methods, detailed
Speaker 11: object comparisons, scientific perspectives, a volbe we mentioned, talk.
Speaker 1: About his research, and a little bit of media and
Speaker 1: public discourse.
Speaker 11: A couple of key scientific terms I'm highlighting in red.
Speaker 1: I don't expect you guys to read all this shit,
Speaker 1: or of anyone who's watching.
Speaker 11: But the eccentricity is a measure of an orbit shape
Speaker 11: ranging zero, which is a circle, it's a complete circle
Speaker 11: around the Sun, to greater than one, or hyperbola. Hyperbola
Speaker 11: means it's greater than one and it's got an orbit
Speaker 11: it's going to.
Speaker 1: Leave the Solar system. So we're keep that in mind.
Speaker 11: Eccentricity greater than one is a trajectory that's going to
Speaker 11: enter the Solar system and leave.
Speaker 1: Everything that's in the Solar system is less than one.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 11: Also, the perihelion is measured in an astronomical units it's
Speaker 11: where one au equals approptly one hundred and fifty kilometers,
Speaker 11: and that perihelion is the average Earth suns It's a
Speaker 11: distance influenced Earth object brightness and activity.
Speaker 1: The perihelion is a point in an object's orbit closest
Speaker 1: to the Sun.
Speaker 11: So Joe mentioned something, and what he was talking about
Speaker 11: there was he said that this thing is coming from
Speaker 11: behind the sun. That's a little bit of misinformation there.
Speaker 11: We're watching this thing come at us right now. When
Speaker 11: it hits its perielion, Atlas is going to be directly
Speaker 11: behind the Sun, meaning we won't be able to see it.
Speaker 11: So when it's the closest to the Sun it's going
Speaker 11: to get, we're not going to be able to look.
Speaker 1: At it at all.
Speaker 11: That's part of why Avolobe is speculating. Okay, that's part
Speaker 11: of what's giving it the speculation. We'll get to that
Speaker 11: in a bit. The coma is the tail a cloud
Speaker 11: of gas or dust surrounding nucleus of a comet and
Speaker 11: then a hyperbolic orbit I mentioned earlier, orbital path with
Speaker 11: eccentricity greater than one. Objects on hyperbolic orbits passed through
Speaker 11: once and then escape into the interstellar space not returning,
Speaker 11: so we've only seen three of those to dates starting
Speaker 11: in twenty seventeen. These aren't as important except for the
Speaker 11: orbital inclination and velocity that determines the eccentricity and the trajectory.
Speaker 11: So the velocity in the orbital inclination is what makes
Speaker 11: up the eccentricity and what decides if the object is
Speaker 11: going to start orbiting the Sun or shoot out into
Speaker 11: space after.
Speaker 1: It passes it. Okay, how do they name these things?
Speaker 11: Comments are typically named after the discoverers or the observatory
Speaker 11: that found them interstellar objects, they had to create a
Speaker 11: new one with the prefix eye for a Mua mua,
Speaker 11: which means scout or messenger in Hawaiian, that reflecting its
Speaker 11: status as a first detected interstellar visitor. But usually they're
Speaker 11: named after an observatory or a dude. Two I Borisov
Speaker 11: was named after a dude amst imateur astronomermer who found it.
Speaker 11: Three I at Lists was named after the observatory that
Speaker 11: initially discovered it. So I wanted to talk a little
Speaker 11: bit about what's in the Solar System. There's over one
Speaker 11: million asteroids larger than one kilometer in diameter. These are
Speaker 11: all in orbit with the Sun and do not have
Speaker 11: an eccentricity greater than one. Comments holds approximately three thousand
Speaker 11: known comets. Note the word known comments because we really
Speaker 11: don't know a whole lot of shit, even about our
Speaker 11: own Solar System.
Speaker 1: I don't get to that later.
Speaker 11: There's other bodies Sources contains millions of smaller objects, including meteoroids, centaurs,
Speaker 11: and trans Neptunian objects. I read what those were yesterday,
Speaker 11: but I forget now. Centaurs and trans Neptunian objects. Somebody
Speaker 11: wants to look it up, please go ahead. But we're
Speaker 11: looking at the Orc Cloud and the asteroid belt here.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 11: Orc Cloud is located far from the Sun two thousand
Speaker 11: to one hundred thousand astronomical units away, mostly of icy comets,
Speaker 11: small planets.
Speaker 1: And remnants of the Solar System formation.
Speaker 11: The asteroid belt, overview is that the one that everyone's
Speaker 11: heard about that's located between Mars and Jupiter to four
Speaker 11: astronomical units from the Sun. Consists mostly of rocky and
Speaker 11: metallic asteroids. So these are the bad boys that we're
Speaker 11: here to talk about today. Has anyone ever heard a
Speaker 11: boris of an You, guys, is this the first time
Speaker 11: you're hearing aforsa anyone, anyone?
Speaker 6: No, I will say really quickly.
Speaker 7: Is the idea of the trans plutonium is a very
Speaker 7: interesting idea in modern magic, contemporary to like Kenneth Grant
Speaker 7: and his idea of the trans plutonium, as well as
Speaker 7: Twyman's idea of the hyper Uranian. And so there is
Speaker 7: another idea. I know we're talking about astrology, but astrology
Speaker 7: is in some ways a speculative sort of cosmological map, right,
Speaker 7: it's not fixed. We can only be the observer of
Speaker 7: things that we see from afar. We can't testably prove.
Speaker 7: We might have methodologies, but we can't testably prove what's
Speaker 7: out there. We can just observe them and describe them.
Speaker 7: And the description is the sort of layer that especially
Speaker 7: magicians are most interested in, I would say. And so
Speaker 7: the idea of the trans Plutonian can also be compared
Speaker 7: to a contragastological figure named Katu, who is the smoky
Speaker 7: tale of the dragon, and he is also the lord
Speaker 7: of comets and asteroids. So there's something interesting. And this
Speaker 7: would be like a realm of dreams. It would be
Speaker 7: like a very dreamlike delusional flux space, a space of smoke,
Speaker 7: a space where you could draw ideas from that have
Speaker 7: in one perspective the little potential on their own, but
Speaker 7: when you reconstitute them into with synthesis or with other things,
Speaker 7: they can become something greater. So like a story also
Speaker 7: comes from this idea of like the trans Neptunian. You're
Speaker 7: drawing in all these different elements and remixing them. So
Speaker 7: I just want to throw that out there that you
Speaker 7: can also understand astrology through this more kind of meta
Speaker 7: mythol meta mythological sort of framework.
Speaker 11: I appreciate that, and I want to encourage you guys
Speaker 11: to jump in anytime you want. I don't want to
Speaker 11: be powerpointing this whole time without hearing anything in the background,
Speaker 11: So thank you. And yeah, I mean, humans are storytellers
Speaker 11: and we still do it even through science.
Speaker 1: That's why we give these things cool names like Atlas
Speaker 1: or what was that.
Speaker 11: Trans I'm trying to find it here, trans Plutonian or whatever.
Speaker 11: We still do that today, and we're doing it right
Speaker 11: now with this with these objects right and we've been
Speaker 11: telling stories about the stars and the night sky since
Speaker 11: probably for three hundred plus thousan years maybe longer, probably
Speaker 11: lower forms of hominids. We're talking about this shit too.
Speaker 11: So was first discovered on October nineteenth, twenty seventeen. And
Speaker 11: keep this in mind, forty days after perihelion, So forty
Speaker 11: days after its closest approach to the sun, this bad
Speaker 11: boy was on its way out. It was notable for
Speaker 11: its elongated shape. I'm probably gonna mention that a couple
Speaker 11: different times. Borisov, the dude, was from Crimea and it
Speaker 11: was first spot at August thirtieth, twenty twenty nine. His
Speaker 11: name was Gannadi Borisov, and he discovered it on a
Speaker 11: pretty small telescope.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of cool.
Speaker 11: I just think that there's some badass out there right now,
Speaker 11: some kid or something he's going to find, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the one that might take us out, you know,
Speaker 1: And I just think that's cool.
Speaker 11: I love amateur astronomy, and I'll mention how you guys
Speaker 11: could get involved in this later, even if you don't
Speaker 11: have a telescope, So for you fun day, Yeah real.
Speaker 10: Quick, before you said, you know how the Simpsons always
Speaker 10: have predictions and stuff like that, Well, I love the
Speaker 10: Simpsons a lot, you know, there's actually an episode where
Speaker 10: Bart finds once that hits planet Earth it's not as
Speaker 10: big and destroys it or nothing. But you know how
Speaker 10: they always say the Simpsons predict things, so they actually
Speaker 10: do have an episode about that for sure exactly.
Speaker 11: And in the movie Deep Impact starring Frodo Baggins or
Speaker 11: Elijah Wood, he he's the kid who discovers the one
Speaker 11: that's going to hit Earth from his backyard.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 11: The cool part about three I at list it's the
Speaker 11: largest known interstellar object.
Speaker 1: It's approximately seven miles wide.
Speaker 11: That's changing constantly because they're pointing stuff at this, like
Speaker 11: telescopes all around the world, institutional ones, private ones, just
Speaker 11: regular dudes in their backyard. Everyone's point telescope that this
Speaker 11: was updating this thing constantly, so that may change over time.
Speaker 11: It does show some commentary activity, and we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: Muhamua did not show a whole lot.
Speaker 11: Of commentary activity, which kind of sets it apart a
Speaker 11: little bit. Just really quick on this one. Methods us
Speaker 11: to detect objects. Surveys detect faint and fast moving bodies
Speaker 11: that might otherwise go unnoticed. That's the telescopic surveys, orbital
Speaker 11: analysis hot we're looking for high orbital eccentricity like I mentioned,
Speaker 11: indicates a hyperbolic orbit. It means it's unbound trajectory typical
Speaker 11: of interstellar origin, and it's just kind of float by
Speaker 11: the Sun and keep going.
Speaker 1: We've only discovered three.
Speaker 11: I think we probably see there's probably in a bunch,
Speaker 11: we just haven't had the technology to see it. After
Speaker 11: these things are initially detected, they always point, like your
Speaker 11: hubbles and your James web Space telescopes and stuff like
Speaker 11: that at them and the bigger ones to try to
Speaker 11: get more data.
Speaker 1: They're usually discovered by accident.
Speaker 2: Yo, real quick, Dave, just in there.
Speaker 3: You know, you know the unicarsal ixagram, the what what,
Speaker 3: the unicoastal hexagram, the tattoo that I had on my
Speaker 3: own when I met you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know the tattoo, but please tell me that.
Speaker 3: The hubble, the Hubble telescope. That's how I reflexed the
Speaker 3: mirrors inside of it to see what it sees.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. That's wild.
Speaker 2: It reflects on much like the unicoastal extagram.
Speaker 1: I need to look into that. People. Please send me
Speaker 1: some information on that when we're done.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sweet, you know I want to throw something in
Speaker 8: here real quick.
Speaker 1: Bounce this off of you, Dave.
Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of old paintings and what
Speaker 8: I would call religious art from as far back as
Speaker 8: the fourteen hundreds that show just to use a broad term,
Speaker 8: UFOs or something out of the normal in the sky.
Speaker 8: So you know, before we had cameras, before we recorded
Speaker 8: all this stuff, before we even had like NASA, people
Speaker 8: were seeing something up there, usually accompanied by Brian light.
Speaker 8: You know, like you've got the fourteen sixty La tabade
Speaker 8: I pulled this up by your talking there.
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 8: It depicts Jesus on the cross with the UFO zipping by.
Speaker 8: That's a fourteen sixty painting. You've got Baptism of Christ
Speaker 8: painted in seventeen ten by Flemish guy. You have the
Speaker 8: Annunciation with Saint Emedius in fourteen eighty six. I'm not
Speaker 8: going to bread through all these artworks, but they're all
Speaker 8: compelling in my opinion.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they are too, And I don't people
Speaker 11: in the fourteen hundreds weren't stupid. People fifty thousand years
Speaker 11: ago weren't stupid. They're the same sized brains that we do, right,
Speaker 11: So there definitely saw something. The question is, I guess
Speaker 11: in relation to this topic, is did they see something
Speaker 11: that came from a different solar system, something interstellar, or
Speaker 11: did they see something that came from the art cloud
Speaker 11: or the asteroid belt, something bound by the Sun. Right,
Speaker 11: But to say that we've only discovered three is I think,
Speaker 11: like I mentioned, likely wrong, Like may maybe we've been
Speaker 11: hit by one May.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've seen some before.
Speaker 11: I personally believe that there's there was an ancient loss
Speaker 11: civilization that had technology that you know, understood astronomy very well.
Speaker 11: I mean, the Miyans understood astronomy very well, so they
Speaker 11: knew that there was stuff coming and going.
Speaker 1: So U yeah, I think you're right man. Actually yeah.
Speaker 8: And there's one more that I really wanted to mention,
Speaker 8: The fifteen sixty one celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg. Very interesting stuff.
Speaker 8: It inspired this god to create a woodcut of the event,
Speaker 8: and it's it looks like chaos. Something came came down
Speaker 8: into our our atmosphere and just buzzed around and created chaos.
Speaker 8: Looks like a bunch of things came down. And I
Speaker 8: would say too, like more and more modern times, I'm
Speaker 8: thinking about that nineteen forty I think the Battle of
Speaker 8: Los Angeles, where we have there's a lot of documentation
Speaker 8: like something was up there in the sky. So there's
Speaker 8: all kinds of crazy accounts that came out afterwards that
Speaker 8: were kind of countering what the government was trying to
Speaker 8: tell everybody that it was. And they just dumped hounds
Speaker 8: of ammunition at this thing and it never came down.
Speaker 8: If it was a weather blown they would have blown
Speaker 8: it out of the sky.
Speaker 11: So yeah, that Germany one literally looked like a space
Speaker 11: battle in the sky.
Speaker 1: Looked like some Star Wars shit, you know.
Speaker 11: And the Battle of Los Angeles, which they made another
Speaker 11: Hollywood movie about that there was in the I think
Speaker 11: early twenty tens, but that was like took place in
Speaker 11: modern time. They just called it Battle of Los Angeles.
Speaker 11: The US Army unloaded on that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not what you happened. There was thousands of witnesses.
Speaker 8: So yeah, and some of those witnesses would later go off,
Speaker 8: you know, to scatter around do all these other various interviews.
Speaker 8: Some of them survived, and they get real interesting because
Speaker 8: a lot of those people said they were seeing orbs
Speaker 8: flying around and like riding for buzzing the beach. It
Speaker 8: was more than just that one big object, so.
Speaker 9: Exactly, and so this is what it was after World
Speaker 9: War two. Just to add on the whole idea of
Speaker 9: like documented anomalies after World War two in Washington, d C.
Speaker 9: There were so many lights in two, thank you, that
Speaker 9: it became undeniable and had to be addressed by the
Speaker 9: President himself, I believe, if not his Defense department. Anyway,
Speaker 9: I just wanted to.
Speaker 11: Add Yeah, I mean there's cave drawings. We have fucking
Speaker 11: UFOs on them, you know what I'm saying. So we've
Speaker 11: been seeing shit coming going from this planet from a
Speaker 11: lot for a long time.
Speaker 1: Whether it was aliens or not, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like to think.
Speaker 3: So yeah, one thing I do, I do want to
Speaker 3: just twist in there too, Uh something I kind of
Speaker 3: I kind of mentioned it before, Uh you know, when
Speaker 3: it comes even to our whole understanding of what's out
Speaker 3: there to begin with, kind of I forgot the person's
Speaker 3: name whoever had it where you know, everything was revolving
Speaker 3: around the Earth and then when we switched to the sun.
Speaker 3: Both of them are occultists and both of them are alchemists,
Speaker 3: and I I'm covering somebody I'm gonna start recording it soon,
Speaker 3: and people pie a tie to hearing about him.
Speaker 2: But tychobrahe I covered him because he was a you know, he.
Speaker 3: Had his two observatories, and he built his own ship,
Speaker 3: and he actually made stuff better and made it more
Speaker 3: more on point, and he was totally into the occult.
Speaker 3: He had talismans on the observatory. He had the flower
Speaker 3: beds were grown in planetary energies. He had his own
Speaker 3: like apothecary, like it was a self sustaining thing too,
Speaker 3: like they were able, like they were making the metics
Speaker 3: in the stuff that he was growing. He was in
Speaker 3: charge of where he lived to actually treat people as well.
Speaker 3: And it was all being done in this observatory, turned
Speaker 3: it into an alchemy lab besides looking at stars. So
Speaker 3: even sometimes when it comes to all this stuff, I
Speaker 3: do take it like there might be like some other
Speaker 3: truths in there that aren't being seen, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I do think there might be some occultism
Speaker 3: sometimes within this stuff.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, WBC.
Speaker 11: Probably and one of the biggest secret keeper organizations of
Speaker 11: all time, the Catholic Church, the Vatican, has a big
Speaker 11: ass telescope in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Did you guys know.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 10: Yeah, one one, yeah, yea, Lucifer, Yeah yeah. It's interesting
Speaker 10: because Lucifer, you know, say in Devil, you know that
Speaker 10: a lot of times some people will go and reference
Speaker 10: that as being having knowledge or somebody trying to give
Speaker 10: you knowledge. That's why they you know, the serpent had
Speaker 10: Adam and Eve from the Tree of Knowledge exactly.
Speaker 8: There's there's definitely like to add to what Nick saying,
Speaker 8: a cult component to all this in my opinion as well.
Speaker 8: I mean even down to just like Jack Parson's knew
Speaker 8: Kenneth Arnold who saw the you know, the nineteen forty
Speaker 8: seven account that kicked off the UFO wave of a
Speaker 8: forty seven, he knew Jack Parsons like and you know
Speaker 8: even as far back as like the Three Wise Men,
Speaker 8: they were alchemist astronomers. That whole story is about these
Speaker 8: three guys that were I think old zoroasters from Iran
Speaker 8: and or Magi are both, and you know, these are
Speaker 8: guys in touch with the language of the stars and
Speaker 8: the old spiritual technologies of astronomy. But there are also
Speaker 8: alchemists and a cultists watching this following this thing in
Speaker 8: the sky that you know, as the story goes, led
Speaker 8: them to Bethlehem.
Speaker 11: It's interesting you bring up Kenneth Arnold because I know
Speaker 11: his granddaughter and her boyfriend and they're both occultists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, Oh no, to talk about Lucifer again
Speaker 4: for just one second, also known as the Morning Star.
Speaker 4: Some have speculated that some of the asteroids that we
Speaker 4: see around the Earth were actually the impacts from when
Speaker 4: he was cast from heaven with his fallen angels, and
Speaker 4: a lot of times in pop culture he is depicted
Speaker 4: as that fall from heaven like an asteroid, like a
Speaker 4: mighty fire falling.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 7: What Broke said was really important, I think to even
Speaker 7: to play into what I said about the Tontric sort
Speaker 7: of figure, the Joe Tisha figure, Katou. He is a
Speaker 7: luciferic force, and he can be divided between hode or
Speaker 7: mercury and nutsock or venus, so again tying into that
Speaker 7: luciferic force, but you could also break it into the
Speaker 7: Steiner cosmology, where there's a lucifer and an armand he
Speaker 7: would actually fit both of those archetypes, and he does.
Speaker 7: And I think that Steiner was also drawing from some
Speaker 7: of those ideas that obviously come from it. So I
Speaker 7: think it's really important to like we're saying, you can
Speaker 7: encapsulate it in one sort of greater mythology, but you
Speaker 7: can also encapsulate it in another, just like a NASA
Speaker 7: presents a kind of Kabbala. Like Nick and I discuss
Speaker 7: this a lot. If you understand kabala to a degree,
Speaker 7: you can if you understand astronomy to a degree, you
Speaker 7: actually understand kabala to a degree. And if you understand kabala,
Speaker 7: you can look at the planetary system as a kind
Speaker 7: of a way of understanding it. It's an imperfect way,
Speaker 7: but yeah, I mean it's really important. It's like any
Speaker 7: story by a magician. It's not necessarily occult it. It
Speaker 7: might might be encoded sometimes. That's I think a better
Speaker 7: way to think of it.
Speaker 3: You know, another thing is just just not to keep
Speaker 3: on helping on the occultism. But you know he mentioned
Speaker 3: somebody mentioned Jack Parsons before.
Speaker 2: I think it was Tim.
Speaker 3: I mean you have him, uh, you know, like a
Speaker 3: lot of certain things that he accomplished, some things that
Speaker 3: we have now obviously going to space and doing certain
Speaker 3: things wouldn't have technically been possible, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: even just between that and he was involved with Alista Crowley.
Speaker 3: And then like, like I mentioned before, the Hubble telescope,
Speaker 3: which is NASA's their mirrors, is the universal Hexagram, like
Speaker 3: maybe there's something off with space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, you.
Speaker 8: Brought up the Bledsoe's too, man, and like they're saying
Speaker 8: the younger Bletsoe is going out on podcasts now and
Speaker 8: saying that this the UFO.
Speaker 1: Thing is, it's totally an occult thing and time in
Speaker 1: the US government. Yeah he is. Yeah, I heard him
Speaker 1: say that a contact in the desert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's imps.
Speaker 8: That's the thing now, is like and I don't know
Speaker 8: if they were if they went into this whole scenario
Speaker 8: with an esoteric lane, but they've definitely found themselves at
Speaker 8: the doorsteps of the esoteric lane.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And just even NASA uses you know, we're using the
Speaker 11: term at list to describe this telescope that found three
Speaker 11: I at lists the commet and you know that's based
Speaker 11: in myth and whatnot, right, and so, but it is
Speaker 11: an acronym because they like their acronyms. It's an asteroid
Speaker 11: terrestrial impact last keyword, last alert system.
Speaker 1: That kind of cracks me up. Just that name.
Speaker 11: Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert System. It's it's scans the
Speaker 11: sky for moving objects, four telescopes across Chile, South Africa,
Speaker 11: and Hawaii, and it takes over eight hundred images a night.
Speaker 11: They first saw this thing on July first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11: And that's it right there in the picture.
Speaker 1: Sure, I want to talk a bit about a mua mua.
Speaker 13: And this.
Speaker 11: We're just highlighting the differences in these things, okay, guys.
Speaker 11: So the estimated size range was one hundred to one
Speaker 11: thousand meters. That's a large range of variability, just.
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind. And it had a highly elongated
Speaker 1: cigar like shape.
Speaker 11: Its speed was eighty seven point seven kilometers a second
Speaker 11: at perihelion. They're always going the fastest at their perihelion
Speaker 11: as close to the Sun as possible, and twenty six
Speaker 11: point three three kilometers and in clumeters a second in
Speaker 11: interstellar space.
Speaker 1: Still really fast.
Speaker 11: But it.
Speaker 1: It This is the one that sparked the whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: so checked out.
Speaker 11: This is Borisov discovered by an amateur astronomer using a
Speaker 11: built telescope.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it had comic like.
Speaker 11: Behavior they were to be able to They were able
Speaker 11: to tell that this was a comment pretty quickly, but
Speaker 11: it was from another solar system. It was one kilometer wide,
Speaker 11: so significantly bigger, with a tail up to one hundred
Speaker 11: thousand miles. The tail extended up one up to hundred
Speaker 11: thousand miles thirty two point two kilometers a second, and
Speaker 11: forty two for forty klometers.
Speaker 1: A second in interte interstellar space. This thing actually was
Speaker 1: very uh.
Speaker 11: Uh, it wasn't very dense. It actually started breaking up
Speaker 11: as it came closer to the Sun and we lost
Speaker 11: like some.
Speaker 1: Of this is in our solar system right now?
Speaker 9: May I ask, yes, may I ask the boris of
Speaker 9: what was its size relative to Omahuma? And then also
Speaker 9: what is the Alice three? I what that size happened?
Speaker 9: Is a lot larger as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's much larger. And it's a great question that
Speaker 1: we're going to get to.
Speaker 11: I'm going to compare all of them, but just to
Speaker 11: go back, is one hundred to one thousand meters. This
Speaker 11: one's a kilometer wide, okay, and Atlas is seven miles
Speaker 11: or eleven kilometers wild wide.
Speaker 1: And this bad boy is coming in.
Speaker 11: It's traveling at speeds between one hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 11: to one hundred and fifty two thousand miles per hour
Speaker 11: or fifty eight kilometers per second, which is essentially five
Speaker 11: hundred and eighty soccer fields per second, and it's almost
Speaker 11: twice as.
Speaker 1: Fast as Borisov and as well as a muamua. The
Speaker 1: weird thing about a muamua is it.
Speaker 11: Had it's sped up, and we're going to get to
Speaker 11: that it's sped up in a really weird way.
Speaker 1: But this is three I Atlas, and yeah, this is
Speaker 1: one of the best pictures we have of it right now,
Speaker 1: is of like a couple of days ago.
Speaker 11: They're probably better ones that I now, or that they're
Speaker 11: going to have by the end of the weekend, because
Speaker 11: like I said, everyone's going banana's over the thing. The
Speaker 11: thing about this is we caught this one pre perry helion,
Speaker 11: So we caught this one way before it hit the sun,
Speaker 11: which means we got a lot of time and a
Speaker 11: lot of good opportunities to make some observations about this thing.
Speaker 11: They say, the composition and astronomy is full of this
Speaker 11: kind of stuff, guys, but likely includes so you're going
Speaker 11: to see a lot of if you're reading stuff online
Speaker 11: or here watching videos, you're going to hear stuff like
Speaker 11: light light likely maybe could be possibly right, Just fyi,
Speaker 11: it's estimated to be about seven billion years old, predating
Speaker 11: the formation of our solar system. I had to throw
Speaker 11: this slide in there, That's why it looks different. But
Speaker 11: I just wanted to get dates and distances for Earth
Speaker 11: so we can talk about that. And this is where
Speaker 11: I'm going to need my next link, Nick, when I
Speaker 11: give you the go ahead. But December nineteenth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 11: at a distance of approximately one point eight astronomical units,
Speaker 11: which equals about two hundred and sixty nine million kilometers,
Speaker 11: this is when it's going to reach its closest point
Speaker 11: to Earth, So just fyi.
Speaker 1: And it's perihelion.
Speaker 11: It's October twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, so the best
Speaker 11: time to look at this thing is going to be
Speaker 11: like September, October, November, December, that kind of thing. But I.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to throw this out there for modern UFO UAP.
Speaker 11: Phenomenon lore straight from the mouth of mister Jeremy Corbel.
Speaker 1: If you know who he is, will you hit the
Speaker 1: next link? Nick? Yes, sir, please, and that is on
Speaker 1: a yes, this is it's on X This one should
Speaker 1: be an X link.
Speaker 13: Sorry.
Speaker 5: I would assume it would be easier to see this
Speaker 5: during a new moon.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, yeah, and I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 14: But the lie is coming all indications like all of them,
Speaker 14: is it? That lie is going to be that there
Speaker 14: is a craft slowly making its way to us here
Speaker 14: on Earth, and that is the lie they're going to
Speaker 14: want you.
Speaker 1: That's it, Nick.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: You can watch that whole interview somewhere, probably on YouTube.
Speaker 2: So he's saying that it's not a spacecraft.
Speaker 11: Well, I don't even know if he's talking about this,
Speaker 11: but it's baby probably like.
Speaker 9: That that was recorded before this was notified. Not that
Speaker 9: he's not referring to something like this or this particularly,
Speaker 9: just just yes.
Speaker 1: It definitely was recorded months ago.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I always consider psy op in situations like this, guys,
Speaker 11: So I'm giving you guys the science here, but I'm
Speaker 11: open to speculation and I always consider.
Speaker 9: A sy I just wanted to point out that someone,
Speaker 9: actually a couple of the wise people in the chat
Speaker 9: noted the concept of Project Bluebeam, which I'm sure people
Speaker 9: are familiar with but maybe you want to break that down,
Speaker 9: And I think that's important, like relative to Blue Book,
Speaker 9: which that we know is not entirely true. So the
Speaker 9: Blue I think is like related to the Black ops
Speaker 9: and the White ops covert and overt and and then
Speaker 9: you got the Blue but the Blue Book, maybe you
Speaker 9: want to break that down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just quickly. I grocked it really quick so
Speaker 1: I could just answer the question quickly.
Speaker 11: But Project Bluebeam is a conspiracy theory proposed by a
Speaker 11: dude named surge Monist in the nineteen nineties, claiming the
Speaker 11: NASA and global leads planned to establish a new world
Speaker 11: order by faking a global event such as an alien
Speaker 11: invasion or divine second coming or both at the same time,
Speaker 11: just depending on your belief system, using advanced holographic technology,
Speaker 11: mind control, telepathic communication, and manipulate populations into accepting it
Speaker 11: to atalitarian regime. And I think you guys can probably
Speaker 11: think for yourself and see some examples of that happening
Speaker 11: right now in society right now, right, things like you know,
Speaker 11: advanced technology for mind control, right, you know our phones
Speaker 11: are doing that, right, you know our phones are doing
Speaker 11: that to us. The algorithms are doing that to us,
Speaker 11: and the the what's the dude's name, the guy Jake Barber.
Speaker 11: He's one of the most recent whistleblowers in the modern
Speaker 11: UAP phenomenon. All these modern UAP whistleblowers are former military.
Speaker 1: I was former military. Tyrone's former military. When you're talking
Speaker 1: about people who have been Tyrone.
Speaker 11: And I weren't trained in this, but people were trained
Speaker 11: twenty years in counterintelligence, twenty years in espionage, twenty years
Speaker 11: in basically faking it, lying, you know, being somebody that
Speaker 11: they're not. And then they're all coming out within the
Speaker 11: last like, you know, since a Muamu was found, and
Speaker 11: since the New York Times article that came out talking
Speaker 11: about the TikTok, which is in twenty seventeen as well
Speaker 11: tic TAC.
Speaker 1: Sorry, TICTAC object, also twenty seventeen. Then you get these.
Speaker 11: Wave of guys coming out saying, oh, yeah, I'm a whistleblower, right.
Speaker 1: Biden's the guy who put in the Whistleblower Act and
Speaker 1: gave these guys permission to do so.
Speaker 11: I haven't trusted government since nine to eleven of you guys,
Speaker 11: So I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 10: But yeah, I can't believe with those I don't believe
Speaker 10: whistle blowers, bro, Like you said, they've been trained for
Speaker 10: their whole military career to do something. Look, look, you
Speaker 10: know just as well as I know, they teach us
Speaker 10: muscle memory, how to react without ever really thinking, and
Speaker 10: they can't fake it that well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: So they don't put my trust in the governmental nord.
Speaker 10: The whistle blowers and stuff like that. Those least of
Speaker 10: the people that I would pay attention to because I
Speaker 10: know how easy it is to be manipulated by these individuals.
Speaker 10: I mean basically training just let alone by itself. I
Speaker 10: went to Fort Benning, Georgia, you know, home of the infantry,
Speaker 10: and they hound on you not to think, you know,
Speaker 10: just react off of muscle and shit like that. So
Speaker 10: just with these whistle blowers and saying, yeah, I want
Speaker 10: to tell you this information, but I don't want to
Speaker 10: tell you this information.
Speaker 2: So what are you really doing?
Speaker 10: You're doing it just to gain money, because if you
Speaker 10: really cared about sharing the information, you would just come
Speaker 10: out and say if fuck the you know the whole
Speaker 10: you know, I got a clearance type thing, you know,
Speaker 10: if you really want people to know the truth and
Speaker 10: you have it, you wouldn't be seeing him beating around
Speaker 10: the bush.
Speaker 8: So there's some whistleblowers who came out that were not
Speaker 8: former military, former government, sure or active you know, CIA
Speaker 8: or whatever. And those guys, those guys get well, yes,
Speaker 8: he's a good one. But what I'm thinking about is
Speaker 8: some of the ones who have tried to come out
Speaker 8: on Reddit. These are some of the guys who I
Speaker 8: would my opinion is that they didn't want the lights,
Speaker 8: camera action book deal, Jeremy Corbell by the side. They
Speaker 8: just had a story that they wanted to share, perhaps,
Speaker 8: and they tried to do it on Reddit, and I'm
Speaker 8: thinking of two of those in particular, and there they
Speaker 8: were only allowed to be on there for about two
Speaker 8: days before Reddit took the whole thing down. Luckily, myself
Speaker 8: and some others saved the transcripts. But I'm saying that
Speaker 8: we're in a situation here where some whistleblowers are allowed
Speaker 8: to proceed where others are not. And it seems like
Speaker 8: the ones who are allowed to proceed are possibly controlled
Speaker 8: opposition because they are government to begin with the same.
Speaker 10: Bro follow the money, Just follow the money, That's what
Speaker 10: they say. Follow the money and you'll find everything else.
Speaker 10: Like you said, the ones that don't want the limelight,
Speaker 10: they're usually the ones that are broke, you know, don't
Speaker 10: really have anything going on for them and stuff like this.
Speaker 10: And the ones that's sitting out there telling it. You know,
Speaker 10: they got all this fancy ass equipment. You know, they
Speaker 10: got money, they got people following them, recording and doing
Speaker 10: this that, and the third fold, you got even minions
Speaker 10: out there fighting for them, and they don't even know
Speaker 10: what they hell they talking about.
Speaker 1: It's definitely follow the money.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of these guys is was
Speaker 8: a current university professor who came out was like, look,
Speaker 8: you know, I just want to get this off my
Speaker 8: chest and proceeded to talk to people on Reddit for
Speaker 8: until they basically shut him down. He just took it
Speaker 8: turned into a massive Q and A where he was
Speaker 8: just like, Hey, this is is what happened. I worked
Speaker 8: at this facility, they had a craft there.
Speaker 1: I want to get this soft my chest. I'm choosing
Speaker 1: to do it on here so I can maybe keep.
Speaker 8: My identity intact. But anyway, he got taken down, and
Speaker 8: you know, so we looked into this guy and he
Speaker 8: seemed legit. He could have made the whole thing up,
Speaker 8: but there weren't a lot of red flags, And it's like,
Speaker 8: why because I think that Reddit is totally controlled by
Speaker 8: the government right now. So in my opinion, the reason
Speaker 8: why I was taken off Reddit was because of military
Speaker 8: and government back channels running the whole reddit to begin with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we would be remiss without mentioning
Speaker 5: the article that's come out within the last month. Forgive
Speaker 5: me for not remembering his name, but there was a
Speaker 5: gentleman who of course works for the Pentagon who came
Speaker 5: out and said, basically the whole UFO UAP thing was
Speaker 5: actually just a hazing ritual performed in the Air Force.
Speaker 5: Did you guys see that article? Anybody read it?
Speaker 1: Okay? I came across it. Yeah.
Speaker 15: So basically what they were saying is when they would
Speaker 15: have new initients, you know, obviously they would silo information
Speaker 15: and things like that, but they would hand out a
Speaker 15: fake briefing supposedly to make people believe that UFO things
Speaker 15: were happening, when really it was just us testing our
Speaker 15: technologies back in the day, you know, when we were
Speaker 15: in the Cold War with Russia and seeing if we
Speaker 15: had the capabilities to combat their nuclear capabilities and things
Speaker 15: like that. So I totally agree they're running counter ops
Speaker 15: on this. I feel like the ops are and ops and.
Speaker 5: They're just trying to muddy the water so you don't
Speaker 5: know what to believe or who to trust.
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on Brook as far as mudding
Speaker 1: the waters.
Speaker 11: And one of the ways they do that is a
Speaker 11: concept called the useful idiot. The person doesn't have to
Speaker 11: be a literal idiot, but they the government uses people
Speaker 11: to push a narrative. It's the whole story behind the
Speaker 11: X Files. And my poster behind me. Malder was a
Speaker 11: smart guy, but he was their useful idiot. He wanted
Speaker 11: to believe all this stuff, so they led him around
Speaker 11: by his nose, and you know, and it was the
Speaker 11: whole thing was a conspiracy in the.
Speaker 1: End, right.
Speaker 11: And I'm not saying Jeremy Corbell's an idiot. I'm just
Speaker 11: saying he might be a useful one.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Bob Lazaar is a useful idiot.
Speaker 2: But I might.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he might be a useful one.
Speaker 11: They could have showed Bob I believe, I tend to
Speaker 11: believe Bob, but they could have showed bub whatever they
Speaker 11: wanted to show him. Everything that they did. Where he
Speaker 11: was at Area S four was highly compartmentalized. He didn't
Speaker 11: know anything about anything that was going on unless they
Speaker 11: absolutely unless they showed him.
Speaker 1: So they could have showed him whatever the fuck they wanted,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know, like I'm thinking about some of
Speaker 8: the stuff that I've read in like Sanskrit or Mahabarata,
Speaker 8: and you know, there's some of these older texts to
Speaker 8: talk about a war between Atlantis and a Rama empire,
Speaker 8: and they talk about how they had these flying crafts
Speaker 8: back in the days of Atlantis, And I wonder when
Speaker 8: I hear Bob Azar talking about things that were found
Speaker 8: at archaeological digs, if like there wasn't advance. I know
Speaker 8: this is kind of crazy, man, but it just makes
Speaker 8: me wonder if there was like a if Atlantis had
Speaker 8: flying crafts and that's and we found some. You know,
Speaker 8: I'm as crazy and as we we as that is.
Speaker 11: It's not crazy, dude, that what is the David Grushed
Speaker 11: said under oath in front of.
Speaker 1: Congress that they found you know, they've.
Speaker 11: Got uh crash, They've got material from crash sites both
Speaker 11: crash sites and and archaeological sites. So he might be
Speaker 11: full of shit, but that's the story they're putting out there,
Speaker 11: is that they have stuff ancient stuff from archaeological digs,
Speaker 11: and they've got new shit from the forties and up.
Speaker 7: So I want to just quickly respond to that and
Speaker 7: to sort of build off of something what Brookes said.
Speaker 7: So it is about like competing narratives, I agree, And
Speaker 7: it's also about like where the narrative will synthesize.
Speaker 6: So the Bloodsoe guy got brought up.
Speaker 7: Yes, his new thing is angels and demons synthesized with
Speaker 7: obviously aliens. And so it goes to sort of what
Speaker 7: you're saying, Dave, is that there's always a tendency, especially
Speaker 7: with magical groups. And if you look, there's a lot
Speaker 7: of these people are associated with the Typhony and Oto
Speaker 7: and I have no problem with that. I think it's
Speaker 7: kind of cool, to be honest, but I'm not really
Speaker 7: into the Lovecraft stuff, as.
Speaker 6: I've said many times.
Speaker 7: And there's also a lot of Mormons who are very
Speaker 7: like Book of Enoch, like that's kind of their real mythologies.
Speaker 6: Be not shited. So regardless of what they say, it's really.
Speaker 2: Book enough, you know, I'll go ahead.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, No, that's okay.
Speaker 7: So what I want to say is that it's really
Speaker 7: important that just because they say something is of an
Speaker 7: ancient lineage or of an ancient technology, this is something
Speaker 7: that all magicians have done since like the beginning of time.
Speaker 7: They will claim some secret teacher from the very distant past,
Speaker 7: or from the sky or from this oh I received
Speaker 7: this special makes me a special snowflake knowledge. And that's
Speaker 7: not necessarily true. That's sort of a magician building his
Speaker 7: own mythology, self mythologizing. So I just want to say
Speaker 7: that is that a lot of groups do in groups,
Speaker 7: I'm saying an individual level, but a lot of groups
Speaker 7: also do this. They'll say, oh, I receive this, you know,
Speaker 7: initiation into this thing, this thing. So I think a
Speaker 7: lot of that ancient stuff is actually about that rather
Speaker 7: than an actual ancient technology. Because if it's real, I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm open to being wrong, I'm totally am But
Speaker 7: if it's real, show me, because that's all I'm gonna
Speaker 7: believe for me.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's how I so too, show me. I need
Speaker 2: to believe, you know. Uh, real quick, sorry, just real quick. Tid. Sorry,
Speaker 2: did you see the video that I posted yesterday?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was a video from Freda's Super Rabo
Speaker 3: where he actually it was like making a spoof on
Speaker 3: This is an old video, so back in the day
Speaker 3: there was like somebody who was pretty much encapsulating what
Speaker 3: you were just getting.
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny like he was spoofing on the whole
Speaker 2: same thing. I thought, maybe I'll go tweat right now. Thanks,
Speaker 2: all right, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 10: No, I was just gonna say, that's interesting me because
Speaker 10: you're talking about aliens, and you know, you're talking about
Speaker 10: mythologies and stuff like that. Some of the oldest writing
Speaker 10: systems comes from the Samerians. I actually have a higher
Speaker 10: point present presentation that I just got done about the
Speaker 10: Nuna slash the Ananaki. And most people who think about aliens,
Speaker 10: they think about the show Ancient Aliens and so on
Speaker 10: and so forth, and Ananaki and so on and so forth. Well,
Speaker 10: there's actually cuneiform tablets that say they came from the
Speaker 10: deaths of the Sea. Now free Bird in the comments
Speaker 10: section actually said they're not coming from outer space, They're coming.
Speaker 2: From below our feet.
Speaker 10: And when you look at Incy the inky god he's
Speaker 10: a fish god. Ap zoo literally means water inky rows
Speaker 10: from the waters to give us technology and information and
Speaker 10: so on and so forth. This is actually in the
Speaker 10: cuneiform tablets themselves. So when people like Billy Carson and
Speaker 10: so on and say, hey, they came from a planet
Speaker 10: called Nibiru that orbit our son every thirty six hundred years,
Speaker 10: there's no cuneiform tablet that says that zero zelch none.
Speaker 10: But if you look at their depictions, the pictographic script
Speaker 10: and their writing system, they actually say they came from
Speaker 10: the deaths of the sea, and that's why they depicted
Speaker 10: their gods in fish suits.
Speaker 2: And also, yeah, and that's why the.
Speaker 10: Word ab zoom literally means water water knowing water ab
Speaker 10: and zoom means basically knowing. So it's just so interesting
Speaker 10: that we have these different ideas where these you know,
Speaker 10: extraterrestrials or aliens has come from. It's interesting because Dave
Speaker 10: said earlier that some people don't believe that they're alien. Well,
Speaker 10: if anybody that knows me, I like to stick to
Speaker 10: the definitions of word, the etymological meaning. The origins of
Speaker 10: the word alien literally just means foreign to us. What
Speaker 10: they're trying to say is that they're not alien intelligence
Speaker 10: or extraterrestrial intelligence. But what is really extraterrestrial intelligence? What
Speaker 10: is intelligence in the first place? Right, we all have
Speaker 10: our own intelligence to survive on this planet.
Speaker 2: That's why so.
Speaker 10: Many species last for so long, or whatever happens in
Speaker 10: the new species come. But the point is that these gods.
Speaker 10: When they first started writing about these gods, they literally
Speaker 10: said they came from the deaths of the sea. So
Speaker 10: they could be gods within this planet that we don't
Speaker 10: know about, and then there can be gods outside our planet.
Speaker 10: And the fighting between them because remember you talked about
Speaker 10: Battle of Los Angeles and all these gods. Yet all
Speaker 10: these gods they're fighting each other because the technology now
Speaker 10: whatever landed here in the past that you know, they're
Speaker 10: able to reverse engineer or use that material to better
Speaker 10: our technology and stuff like that. We've been doing that
Speaker 10: for years and stuff. I mean, look at the Tudecan
Speaker 10: king tut dagger. You remember they found a meteorite, shaped
Speaker 10: it up and put it into a dagger. So we
Speaker 10: know how to work with these things. It just takes years.
Speaker 10: And then somebody mentioned about the technology. You know, when
Speaker 10: I was growing up going to school ever since I
Speaker 10: can remember a lot of my history teachers used to
Speaker 10: tell me that our government has technology that's fifty years
Speaker 10: more advanced than what we have now. So what we're
Speaker 10: using right now is actually fifty years old. And a
Speaker 10: good example of that, and Dave can back me up
Speaker 10: on this. When I was in Iraq and Afghanistan, actually
Speaker 10: served in an aviation unit, so I know very well
Speaker 10: what stuff in the sky looks like. But when I
Speaker 10: was in they was trying to create an aircraft called
Speaker 10: the Commanchee. Well it got too expensive and the technology
Speaker 10: got too much for them to put on their aircraft,
Speaker 10: so they kind of switched it out and gave it
Speaker 10: to the A sixty four longboat craft. And that's when
Speaker 10: that's just the basic upgraded version from the Alfro models.
Speaker 10: And a lot of people don't realize this, but remember
Speaker 10: when they took when they went and got Osama bin Laden,
Speaker 10: they had helicopters that could barely make any noise. They
Speaker 10: didn't even know there was helicopters around until they crash.
Speaker 10: So we have technology that can be silenced. Another good
Speaker 10: example of this is let's not forget about the Harry
Speaker 10: or Jet I remember you. I know you guys watched
Speaker 10: that movie True Lies. You remember the jet that Arnold
Speaker 10: Schwarzenegga took took away. Remember how it can move side
Speaker 10: to side and like a helicopter. So they have jets
Speaker 10: that can move like helicopters and stuff like that back
Speaker 10: in that time frame. Just imagine the advanced technology that
Speaker 10: they have since then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had we.
Speaker 11: Were texting each other from our hum v's in Iraq
Speaker 11: in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: We were shooting each other. The Blue Force Tracker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Blue Force Tracker.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, we used to we had the Google
Speaker 10: maps that we used today to get around in time,
Speaker 10: We had that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just so delayed, so bad.
Speaker 10: Sometimes it would drop off, but it was literally called
Speaker 10: the Blue Force Tracker. It's just you can send your
Speaker 10: text messages, you can send UH coordinates, you can send
Speaker 10: anything that you need to do, and then you can
Speaker 10: send UH. You can watch where everybody at that has
Speaker 10: a Blue Force Tracker that's on that same system. You
Speaker 10: can watch where everybody's going. So you had, you know,
Speaker 10: a pinpoint of everything where everybody was going.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, our.
Speaker 9: Technology, there's a there's a famous story about when the
Speaker 9: US military got the first jets, the the pilots of
Speaker 9: the propellered planes swore that they saw gorillas flying the jets,
Speaker 9: or they didn't know what they were. They were describing
Speaker 9: these vehicles that were propellerless planes flown by gorillas, and
Speaker 9: little did they know that they were their friends in
Speaker 9: gorilla masks and they're and so the the idea of
Speaker 9: pranking even could be just a really simple, uh you know,
Speaker 9: Brook brought it up how they're using it nowadays in
Speaker 9: respects to psyching them out of various UFO phenomena. So,
Speaker 9: but I just wanted to point out that it's kind
Speaker 9: of hazing this tradition. But what if it's not only
Speaker 9: happening that we know of in respect to that one instance,
Speaker 9: but also in happening in multiplicity and multiple nations and
Speaker 9: maybe even it seems to me that this these anomalies
Speaker 9: and so forth, that there's multiple answers seem to be.
Speaker 16: Kind of the right direction of things. Right, there's not
Speaker 16: like one nation. I'm with that, uh even a lot.
Speaker 16: I think there is multiple things going on here. And
Speaker 16: I want to add to that whole ancient technology spiel that.
Speaker 8: I went on, like Mahabarata talks about again Rama imp
Speaker 8: right versus the Atlantis Empire. If you look into this,
Speaker 8: you know, Rama was ruled by these enlightened priest kings
Speaker 8: who governed all these cities of that empire, and it
Speaker 8: was called the seven Great capital cities of Rama, and
Speaker 8: they were known in like the classical Hindu texts of
Speaker 8: the seven Rishi cities. And you can still go and
Speaker 8: see that some of those cities talked about in these
Speaker 8: texts exist. One is called herod War.
Speaker 1: It's h a r I d w R.
Speaker 8: It's one of the seven Ricchi cities that's.
Speaker 1: Talked about in these texts. So if like the cities exist, you.
Speaker 8: Know, I'm just saying, like, according to those same texts,
Speaker 8: the people of these places had flying machines and they
Speaker 8: called them them manas.
Speaker 1: So I'm just throwing that possibility on the table, like
Speaker 1: how much of this is real and how much and
Speaker 1: if what if?
Speaker 8: What if somebody actually found one of those And I'm
Speaker 8: not trying to back up up the facade running you know,
Speaker 8: baton tass, So I'm not trying to back up these
Speaker 8: magicians of media today like blah blahs are and et cetera.
Speaker 1: Those guys might be.
Speaker 8: Lying through their teeth, but I do think it should
Speaker 8: be put on the table that some of these crafts
Speaker 8: it did exist and may have been found.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just want to I just want to say
Speaker 7: something really quick to that two things. Really is that
Speaker 7: the ethan that you were someone brought up Anki and Enlol.
Speaker 7: There's one way to think of this is that anky
Speaker 7: and enll explains sixty six percent of the news and
Speaker 7: of the world in a way because that mythology, that
Speaker 7: competition between competing god kings pretty much is. I mean,
Speaker 7: you could map it you into Cabala and look at
Speaker 7: different sort of ways they interact, like the suffers interact,
Speaker 7: like planets interact. And there's also an interesting thing to
Speaker 7: go back to the trans plutonium is that Anki can
Speaker 7: also be related to hoke Ma orquote unquote the Transplutonians,
Speaker 7: so or excuse me, the trans and neptunity and not
Speaker 7: the transplant Plutonian. Sorry about that trans Neptunian and so
Speaker 7: uh nick or not Nick? Tim, There's something you said
Speaker 7: that's really interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I agree that they're described as vamanas as buying vehicles
Speaker 7: chariots before the Sun and all that. In the later
Speaker 7: sort of remix which are called the Piranhas, which occurred
Speaker 7: from the first to the tenth century, the Vamanas became vahanas,
Speaker 7: So the vahanas are actually animal mounts for the most part.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of a terrestrializing meaning coming to Earth
Speaker 7: of the celestial forces and then how they interact with us.
Speaker 7: And of course the Piranhas also have a twilight context,
Speaker 7: a contric context, meaning that they can be understood as
Speaker 7: processes of consciousness, meaning they're just stories in order to
Speaker 7: help us get there there rather than literal sort of
Speaker 7: manifestations of what people saw in the material world.
Speaker 8: There are, yeah, but there's blueprints and instructions.
Speaker 1: On how to build the grafts.
Speaker 8: Not only did they talk about the grass, they said
Speaker 8: this is how you build one, and then they went
Speaker 8: further to say, here's a picture of what it should
Speaker 8: look like.
Speaker 11: So there's multiple truths, right, happening at the same time,
Speaker 11: and there's multiple obfuscations happening at the same time, right.
Speaker 11: And we used to in the nineties when I was
Speaker 11: showing you those movies and stuff. Back in the pre
Speaker 11: nine eleven days in the eighties, we believed all these
Speaker 11: institutions for the most part. Right now we all got
Speaker 11: access to information, and so now it's up to us
Speaker 11: to tease through what's real and what isn't based on
Speaker 11: our own worldviews and our own perspectives, right, And so
Speaker 11: it's like all the stuff you guys are adding to
Speaker 11: this conversation.
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of slides, so I'm when I
Speaker 1: start moving through them.
Speaker 11: I did want to say Tyro Uh is coming on
Speaker 11: my show on the fourteenth Uh to give his presentation
Speaker 11: on the on a Knaki If you're interested, It's at
Speaker 11: Mike Dave's multiverse on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good stuff, guys, good stuff. So these just some
Speaker 1: this is gonna be quick. Some images. The one on
Speaker 1: the left is artist's depiction.
Speaker 11: I just want to say that most shit that comes
Speaker 11: from NASA is some sort of artist depiction or computer
Speaker 11: rendition right of data.
Speaker 1: So just throwing that out there.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 3: I said that one time, like somebody was like, you know,
Speaker 3: going on about something else and they were like using
Speaker 3: like NASA's images, and like all these people were so convinced,
Speaker 3: and I was like, Yo, did you ever notice in
Speaker 3: the fine prints it always says this is CGI or
Speaker 3: almost always yeah, and like the person was like flipping,
Speaker 3: Like people started flipping out, and I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: not being a dick.
Speaker 2: Go on the website and look at it, like I'm
Speaker 2: being ready.
Speaker 1: They were reading pictures of Mars for like forty years,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 9: Like.
Speaker 2: Underneath the image it tells you this is bullshit. It's fake,
Speaker 2: it's not real, it's not real.
Speaker 11: That's a picture of Borisa from the Hubble. That's a
Speaker 11: picture of Gemini from the Gemini North Telescope. That's a
Speaker 11: picture of three I at lists from the Gemini North Telescope.
Speaker 1: UHTA, get back over here.
Speaker 11: Okay, I want to talk about this quick. This is
Speaker 11: what makes uh, This is what makes a muhamou a different.
Speaker 11: It's rotational variability. Rotational variability is basically how the thing
Speaker 11: rotates in space. One of the distinguishing features of a
Speaker 11: muamo was that it was in a non principle axis
Speaker 11: rotation or a complex tumbling.
Speaker 1: It rotated every seven to eight hours. This is where
Speaker 1: I need my next link. Nick.
Speaker 11: We're going to take a look at artist's rendition of
Speaker 11: a muamua wrote with it with a complex tumbling, which
Speaker 11: is not typical for these types of objects.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, this is animation of.
Speaker 13: Had.
Speaker 9: One thing I don't think you mentioned was that it's
Speaker 9: this the Atlas object is on the same plane as
Speaker 9: the rest of the Solar system, right did you? Did
Speaker 9: you mention?
Speaker 1: And I'm getting to that, but jumping You're good, You're good. No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You're good.
Speaker 11: I'm it kind of and I'll explain that to the
Speaker 11: best of my ability when we get there.
Speaker 1: This is just short. This is just kind of showing
Speaker 1: what what this possibly could look like in its complex tumbling.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it has a yeah, okay, it
Speaker 1: does have some music, so.
Speaker 11: It's kind of just spinning in a weird way through
Speaker 11: space and a not it's not a very predictable way.
Speaker 11: Still that's actually sped up if you're thinking about every
Speaker 11: I don't know if it would it say six to
Speaker 11: eight days or something like that, or was it hours?
Speaker 11: I can't remember, but either way, it's going slow. But
Speaker 11: it's just doing this complex tumbling thing. And Abby Lobe,
Speaker 11: the guy who's starting on this speculation, is the one
Speaker 11: who's saying that that's one of the reasons that made
Speaker 11: it so strange.
Speaker 1: And I just want to ask you.
Speaker 11: Ask yourself, what do you think could cause a quote
Speaker 11: unquote complex tumbling, something that could cause like a comment
Speaker 11: to do that.
Speaker 9: Anyway, no reflection or some kind of some kind of
Speaker 9: interaction with the sun seed or sun like, Yeah.
Speaker 11: Could be an interaction with the sun, could be an
Speaker 11: interaction with anything any of the you know, one kilometer
Speaker 11: large or bigger stuff in the orc cloud out and
Speaker 11: in the asteroid belt.
Speaker 9: Right, it isn't faith itself, but that's the long thing
Speaker 9: that's not really supposed to be a dot common of
Speaker 9: a thing, right.
Speaker 1: Correct, The cigar shaped thing isn't that common either.
Speaker 11: But again, we're talking about interstellar objects here, and we've
Speaker 11: only found three of them, so it's hard to say
Speaker 11: what's rare and what's not. And we're talking when we
Speaker 11: have a sample size of three, but they are comparing
Speaker 11: them to comments, which we know of three thousand or so.
Speaker 11: So just throwing that out there. So that's the rotational variability. Yeah,
Speaker 11: Saturn's a big one. Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: Mind of Elijah.
Speaker 11: Saturn affects every it's so massive, it affects everything.
Speaker 1: In the Solar system in quite a significant way. So
Speaker 1: does so does a Jupiter. So key similarities among these
Speaker 1: things are.
Speaker 2: Close your words.
Speaker 13: Into the darkness, find the blazing star, Focus on it,
Speaker 13: and it become the eclipse. Don't fear.
Speaker 6: That the show will begin.
Speaker 13: And death.
Speaker 14: You the shop
Speaker 13: M